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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And nine Cognition sequence six five.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Four three two one zero, all engine running. It's Tuesday.
You know what that means. We are live on x
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night at eight forty five Eastern Time with AW Panthub's
Ignition podcast. This is Kelson and this is our AW
Full Gear preview of Prediction Show. We are just days
away now from the AW Full Gear pay per view,
but first Tomorrow night brings us a special three hour

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combination Dynamite and Collision, and a lot of these matches
seem to be having some implications on what's going to
happen or some of the things that may happen at
full gear. For example, we've got what is it Bobby
Lashley and Ricochet in a match for the number one

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spot at the in the Casino Gauntlet match at full gear,
and another example will be Speedball Mike Bailey and Shelton
Bridgman for the number two spot in the same match.
So let's talk first before we get to the full Gear,
let's talk about what's going to happen briefly at AW

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Dynamite AW Collision. Guys, do you see any new matches
being booked for poorfol gear out of coming out of
dynamite collision tomorrow night. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I see three matches getting out Tyler O'Reilly versus John Moxley.
They kind of hinted that that talision on Saturday, and
I think it gets confirm tomorrow night, and then I
think with the last two first round matches in the
women's tag title tournament, they go ahead have the semi

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finals at full gear.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's really I particularly an agreement
with you about O'Reilly and Moxley. Anybody else have any
thoughts about this?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I think if they're gonna have the semis at full gear,
they're gonna they're gonna do the one in the beginning
of the show and have the finals later on. I mean,
why would you not want to do that on a
on a pay per view?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Now that makes sense and it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Didn't they do that with another belt up a few
years ago? I can't remember which one it was, but
they had a tournament, they had the semi finals at
the beginning of the show and they had the finals
at the end.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
What was that? They did it for the last year's
Continental Classic.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Okay, that was what it was.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
So ye, yeah, they had the two the one Gold
Block one versus Blue Block two Gold to beat Blue.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
One, Ricochet, Ocata and Fletcher Osprey.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
I was there for that.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
So that was the one where Osprey got busted open
on the Fletcher match, and then they had the finals
later that night where Osprey lost to Olcada.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, you bring up Okada. That brings up another interesting thing.
Okada is facing Massacre Dorado or Dorata in a in
a match tomorrow night. Now, the winner of that match,
if Dorada wins, he gets a future shot at the
Unified Championship. If Olcata wins that, don Kallis family gets
a shot at sky Time, which is the CML L

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Trios Championship. Uh do you think the winner of that
match do you think they bring that out the pool
year because OCTA's Okada's not out pool gear.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
Is you know?

Speaker 4 (04:06):
I don't think so, because Derada, I think, is who
I think Derada is.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
Going to win.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
I think there's a good chance Dorada who comes away
with that national title coming out of the battle.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I've heard a lot of people share that exact same opinion.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Barry, Yeah, I think it one of the things that
I've knocked AW for is when they work with other promotions,
their AW wrestlers will win other promotions belts. But I
can't think of a performer from another promotion.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
That's held an AAW belt.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
And as soon as they announced this, this is kind
of how I thought the initial international title was going
to work. That they're focusing on defending it overseas and
the other promotions and blah blah blah. This is the
perfect time Derada has been brought back on TV for
a reason to remind everybody how awesome he is, and
I think he's he from what I understand. Mistigo is

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also expected to show up on Saturday, but I would.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Go with Dorata.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
He's younger, He's going to be able to work more dates.
I think it's I think that's a good call for him.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I totally.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Also, he is part of sky Team, I mean, mister Coo,
Derada and Neon Wait. I mean, I think it's one
of those where you really can't go wrong if you
do win tomorrow night and Talon Tocada later, or if
you have Ocado win and get sky Teams on full

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gear against you know, three don Kallis guys who could
you know they make it like well, Rocky in trin
are busy, so remember Neon Neon. Yeah, I don't think
it's freaking awesome.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yeah, I think this is perfect for Dorada to lose
with don Kalla's family high jinks. That sets up the
trios match at Arena Mexico or something with with Dorada
and Mestico. I'm positive they're going to be in the
Casino Countlet. I don't see them being able to work
a match on the show either.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
I think they're they do.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I'm thinking about it, you know, as far as don
Kallas family goes. I mean, like I said, Alexanders in
the match with the Young Bucks, Rocky and Trent are
on the Tailgate Brawl. Archer is already in Japan because
he's going to be in World Tech League. I'm not

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sure what Hetchi Saro is doing, but it's like who
would be in that match out and Kyle Fletcher's wrestling
Mark Bristo, So who would you have Mark Davis, Hetchi Saro,
and El. Yeah. Yeah, it would make more sense for

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Mystico and Dorada to be in the.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
UH And that's a that's a big time trios match.
You can you can promote for CML too, you know,
assuming they have it there and not in the States.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
For that.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
You want to you want to be able to put
together a good team from the Calls family to take
on those three.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
So yeah, another you know, another match that's taking place
tomorrow night on the aw Collision three hour block is
the It's kind of an interesting match because, uh it's
an r o H title match for the Women's TV
Championship between the champion Red Velvet and the interim champion,

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Mercedes Monette. Of course, this event tomorrow night does take
place in Boston, which we all know is Mercedes Monett's hometown.
But I was a little bit it really doesn't have
any implications for the gear pay per view, But what
it does what I was a little confused about. I

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was for sure that they were going to save this
match for Final Battle, which takes place in just a
couple of weeks though, three like three weeks December fifth.
Uh So, were you surprised that this match was added
good Dynamite. Yeah, I mean, I mean I could see
Martin Mercedes Monet doing a I don't know, a title

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defense TBS title title defense against Harley Cameron or somebody
like that. I didn't see the title match, the r
OH TV title match coming.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
So I'm a I'm a big Red Velvet fan. I
think she's got a really good move set, she's fast,
she cuts it good enough promo, she's very pretty. You've
got a really good package for a performer. But she's
been off main TV, so I agree with you, Kelson.
I was kind of surprised this was a title match
with Final Battle around the corner. But you can run

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this a couple different ways where there's no finish and
then they have Round two and Final Battle if they're
going to change the belts there. I think this is
more about getting Red Velvet back on TV, assuming that
they still want to have that match to the pay
per view, because I agree, I think it makes more
sense to do it there. So you have some sort
of DQ or double count, you know, all sorts of

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things you can do. Let them go out there for
ten twelve minutes, have fine, remind everybody how great Red
Velvet is on TV, build some buzz for the pay
per view for Final Battle, and then that's where the
rematch happens, and you, you know, give them some decent
time without a commercial break to.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I don't think that's.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Do we know what since it's a TV title, is
it a shorter time limit? I don't know, because I
know like the C and T is. I mean it's
the and the TBS, which are essentially TV titles. They
have a twenty minute time for Matt teams. I'm wondering

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if the R O H has.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, why could go to a draw? You're saying to me,
go to a draw, which makes sense. Another thing that
makes sense is for red Velt actually win by some
kind of interference or something, or even a clean win
and have a rematch. You don't have basically Mercedes pissed
off that she lost one her belts, and UH have

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her have the rematch a final battle on December fifth.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
They're not gonna have Mercedes Maname lose anything in Boston.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I tend to agree with you there. I will Statlander
has been messing with Mercedes quite a bit. I told
maybe a situation where she hijacks a bunch of Mercedes
titles and Mercedes gets pissed off and goes after her
and Red Velvet win by how now that could? I

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just I don't know why you would do this match, right,
now when you have final battles coming up in a month,
I get wanting to get Red Velvet back on TV,
but you know it's not. Yeah, but the page has
a TV deal, right, And also.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
He's not really getting her back on TV. It's getting
her in front of the camera, yes, but it's not
a TV Like you said, there's not a TV deal.
So I just don't see them. I think they're gonna
let Mercedes win it and then they'll have a rematch.
She'll get a rematch at the next bout, and that
might be when she loses it to Mercedes. Mercedes loses
it to Red Velvet. I don't think they're gonna have

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any kind of loss of any kind from Mercedes tomorrow
night being in Boston.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Well, look, let's move on to Full Gear. Before we
get into the preview and prediction show, I'm curious, uh,
what matches are you most intrigued about? On the Full
Gear uh card, we'll talk about who we think are

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gonna win and who's gonna lose, and surprises, returns, whatnot,
storyline anything. I just want specifically, I just want to know,
right off the top of the bat, just which matches
do you find the most intriguing on the Full Gear card.

Speaker 6 (12:21):
The Hangman versus Joe Canes match. I have my reasons
for this, cross that bridge when we get to it,
but that match, for reasons else expand on later.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Okay, fair enough, look forward to having that.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I think the match has become a lot more interesting
because it's not just a rematch at this point. With
the heel turn, now the cage, it's become a lot
more interesting than it would have been without all of
those things happening. For me, I'd go for the national titles.

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What's always interesting. I was thinking it was a Castino
Battle Royal, which we haven't had in a long time,
but it seems save chosen the Casino Gauntlet in place
of that. So that's my match I'm most interested.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
All right, Well, anybody else was their most intriguing match?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
All right? Then let's move right into the actual Full
Gear pay per view, And of course we got to
start off by talking about Hangman, anim Page and SMO.
Joe Jess. You had said that you had something that
you found most intriguing about this match, so share it
with us.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
Yes, I mean this match is going to be great
on its face. Hangar is great.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Joe is great.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
Cage matches are great, so this is gonna be a
great match even if this doesn't happen. But I am
pretty darn sure that one Maxwell Jacob Friedman will be
returning and interfering in this match, and if I'm if
my hunter is correct, I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
You know, Jess, I don't well, since it's in a cage,
I don't see how Friedman can interfere, but I do
think he will show up, and I think he will
announce that he's going to We're not announced, but tease
that he's going to sign. Remember, m jeff still has
that contract execute. He's got to do it seven days

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ahead of time, but he does still have the contract execute.
I'm going to be honest with you, this is maybe
the least intriguing match on the pay per view for
me because it's been done before. You know, putting it
in a steel cage makes it slightly more interesting, but
after blood and guts, I mean steel cage, really, it's

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been done too much.

Speaker 6 (14:52):
That's why I've got my hat haus on Shanigans and
don't think a little thing like a cage is going
to stop MJF If he wants to do MJF things.
He will bring a bolt cutter, he will do something
to interfere in this match.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Somehow. He is as little scumba.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I agree he's coming back, but I think he's going
to be in the Gauntlet match.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
To be honest, Huh, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I have a feeling that you know, he's all about gold.
He wants gold, you know, he wants the world titled. Yes,
but he's not about putting. He's not beyond putting himself
in a match that he can win gold. Now, So
I I you know, I don't think I don't I
think I gotta agree with Kelse on this. I don't
see him interfering in the match. He might come out
say something during the match to distract Hanger that would

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kind of maybe make the outcome in doubt. But I'm
I'm thinking this match is pretty much everybody can predict
what's gonna happen in this match.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know what, Jason and Someding, maybe you'll agree with
this too. Don't forget that this match is likely going
to be the main event, which I don't believe it
should be. But it's likely going to be the main event,
which means it's going to take placed much later on
in the show, which means that and this has happened
before on aw pay per views, where the protagonist, which

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in this case would be Hangman Adam Page, may get
mysteriously get the shit kicked out of him backstage before demand.
You know, so there's always that, you know.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
I think this go ahead time.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
I think this message interesting because, like you said, it
happened before, but we're in completely different situations this time.
Before it was Joe, Joe walked in as the warrior
King who knew he could beat this guy. Now Joe
is not so sure. This is a different Hangman than

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he beat before. This is a guy who has been
through so y and come out the other side, stronger, tougher,
more determined. And now it ain't Hangman trapped in a
cage with Joe, it's Joe trapped in a cage with Hangman.

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He didn't want to. He didn't want Hangman in a
cage one on one. He wanted Hangman in a cage
when he had Shabbata with him. Joe didn't want the
cage match. He wanted to beat up Hangman ahead of
the match. This is a completely different scenario from Russell Dreaton,

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and that's what makes it interesting. That's what you have
to do if you're going to do just you know,
the same opponents on back to back pay per views.
They completely changed the story, the setting. They've made it,
you know, more interesting with that. I think Hangman retains

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in a brutal, bloody battle, and I think we're gonna
see Joe kind of lose it after once again failing
to win the title off of a guy He thinks.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, Barrett Kelson, you had said something
earlier that kind of triggered really a lot of what
Time was just saying. And they're running this back, So
when you run it back, typically you gotta get to
add something new to juice it right. So clearly they
did that in the cage match, but Time was getting
at some of the stuff I was I was going
to get at is Yeah, that's I think the cage

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is kind of window dressing to actually what's going on
here and this is and it's been subtle, but really
establishing Hangman as a new type of babyface. For way
too long, the babyface Champion has just been a nerd.
And when I say nerd, I'm ceiling like the Brian
Alvarez where they just look like chumps. They fall for
the stupid heel gimmicks and all this kind of stuff.

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But Hanger's taken the fight to the heels and he
does it in a way that is smart.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Like Joe wanted to put him in a cage.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Fine, he challenged show to a cage, which is gonna
make Joe look like an idiot if he backs out,
Like this is the first time we've seen a babyface
champion in AW really take it to the people that
want his belt and challenge him. And the nice thing
about Hanger is he's got that card that he can
play and he's like, and don't think I'm not serious,

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I'll burn your house down, and like that's a threat
that is legitimate in the canon of AAW. Like he's crazy.
He can flip that switch and be a lunatic. And
this match to me kind of paralleling what Time says
is continuing that trajectory for Hangman, because at some point
he's gonna lose, and I think that's the next chapter

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in his his story is does he go back to
evil Hangman, you know, crazy Hangman, or does he continue
to just turn up babyface Hangman to thirteen and show
them just how nuts a good guy can actually be
to defeat evil. So I'm looking at this the same
way that time is is more of a new piece
of the Hangman chapter or Hangman's story to see, you know,

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how do they how do they take that next step
for him? And I think this match is going to
say a lot does he does he take it to
Joe and like leave him as bloody or just like
a pile of flesh or hopefully it's not fifty to fifty,
But I think this is going to say a lot
about the direction they're going to take Hangar And and
I do anticipate a longer term feud with him in

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MJF along the lines of what he ever swerve?

Speaker 6 (20:38):
Oh my gosh, I totally agree. I actually just had
this thought while you were talking. What brought out the
better angels of Hangman other than the people? And it
was will Osprey. Will Osprey actually did a great job
of being the world's most tet wrestling talented Jiminy Cricket.

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He had a way of it.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
He was the common.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Yeah, pretty much the conscience of aew. He brought out
the best in everyone he interacted with, or at least
tried to. Now the will's not here, how who is
there to keep hangers darker impulses in check. Nobody?

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Yeah, and that opens the door to a lot of possibilities. So,
you know, does Osprey come back in the first half
of next year on camera? You know, I don't think
he's going to be able to wrestle for a long time,
but Tony was indicating they're hoping to have him back
in the first half of next year, So maybe that
transition begins in the spring. For Hangar, We've got rumors
that Swerve, you know, could be ready at least for

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an on camera roll. Maybe not clear to perform, But
do they take that where he's actually the one that
talks some sense in the Hangar? I don't know, but
I think that along. I think who is it that
a couple of people had mentioned earlier that MJF may
pop up?

Speaker 5 (21:56):
I think there's spot on. I don't know how, but
I think.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
He's at some point or another where it's going to
be clear what the next steps are for MGF, and
I think it's going to be a feud with him
and Hanger.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
The only problem I have with what you guys are saying.
Is it to me that just keeps Hanger in the
same loop. He doesn't grow, he just does the same
thing over and over again. He's already done that. He's
already been evil Hanger. He's already done the burning down
somebody's house. If he's going to keep growing as a
as a as a character, and as a wrestler, you

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can't keep repeating the same things, even if it's slightly changed.
You just can't do that. He needs to take it,
he needs to take it to a different direction. And
I just don't see that. I just don't see that happening.
I could be wrong, but it just doesn't make sense
to me.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Yeah, I think that's kind of the point, though, Sutton,
this go ahead.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
I was going to say, I think what Barry was saying,
and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Barry,
it's not that he will, it's that he could, right.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
Bingo, it's a it's a legitimate threat he can play.
But something I think you're right, Like the next chapter
is where does Hanger go?

Speaker 7 (23:00):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
He has that darkness inside him, and I see his
character always as keeping that some dude because when he
let it take over. He was miserable on camera. Usually
heals other than the dark, brooding kind that are like, oh,
I'm scary, Like, they're not miserable. They think what they're
doing is great. Hangar looked miserable during his whole heel

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run letting that darkness run over. And I think something
you hit on it like that could be part of
the story. Does he start dipping into that darkness? Who
brings him, who keeps him from going over that line?
Who reminds him you're the ace right now of AW
like you are the heart of AW. You can't go
that way again. There's a lot of storytelling opportunities, and
I think you're right sudden. You can't just jump there.

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It's the journey, it's the threat, It's what's keeping him
on the good or in the light to use star
Wars like the what is it the Light side of
the Force or whatever? You know?

Speaker 5 (23:58):
I'm rambling, Sorry, all right?

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Was there anybody else I wanted to share some thoughts
on the Hangman anim page and Samoa Joe match. Nope.
The one thing that I will say that probably hasn't
been mentioned yet is that I truly believe this because
Tony Kahan has done this in the past. Samoa Joe
is what I often referred to as a transitional challenger.

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I don't believe he has any real shot of winning
this match, and if he does somehow win this match,
it'll be a one week or one match rain kind
of thing. So Samoa Joe is a reliable wrestler, but
I think the placeholder here is for MJF and nothing else.

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Let's move on to arguably what could be the main event.
There's a few matches on this card that could be
the main event. Chris Statlander against Mercedes Monette for the
a W Women's World Championship. How do you guys see
this one playing out?

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Two beltstet Actually she's already two built stets.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, she'll be three belts?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, yeah, she has.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
The TBF title. Isn't on the line though? Is it not?
Only for no?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
No? That Statlander has the Pro Wrestling EVE International Championship
right now? She is the Eve International Champion. Of course,
she's the a W Women's World Champion.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
Do you Mercedes just win another belt too?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yes? She did. I think she has seventy two Now
I'm not I'm not really.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Sure it's only thirteen, but you were saying three belt sets.
She couldn't be three because the TBF title is on
the line. It's only the aw Women's World Team.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
That's right, that's true.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
That for some reason, I was thinking they both were okay,
I stand corrected.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
No, No, they're you're right. Yeah, the DBS title is
not on the.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Line because because Mercedes say she's already beaten Statlanders twice,
that hasn't beaten her, So why should Mercedes give stat
a chance at her title she's getting. She's challenging for
Statlander's title because she knows she is better and can

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beat her. Stat has to prove she can beat Mercedes,
which I think she's going to do. And I think
this could I keep saying this could be the start
of Mercedes downfall. But having Statlanders started, you know, someone
Mercedes has already beaten twice, and who came up and

(26:47):
won the title that Mercedes couldn't win and beat the
person Mercedes couldn't beat. Having Statlander rise up beat her,
you know, kind of banished that demon and be the
one who kicks off Mercedes downfall is just great storytelling.

(27:12):
And you know, if their last two Mets. Is there
any indication this one is going to be awesome? And
I'm looking forward to it so much, and it definitely
could main event. I think stat Lander wins this and
it really cements her as KAMPI.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
You know, I want to put a little bit out
there about this main eventing the show. The reason why
I do think that it's your main event. Look, samo
Joe has main invented a pay per views before, Hangman
had a page of courses, main invented aw pay per
views before. Let's legitimize the women's division by putting them
in the main event. I mean, it's just something that

(27:56):
I think that is long overdue in AW. I really do.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
I don't see that. And the reason why I say
that is this, if they have the semi finals of
the Tag Team Championship for women's tag teams on the
beginning of the show, that should be your main event.
Because you're crowning new champions of new belts. That would
make more sense to have is to legitimize that division.

(28:22):
They should have that be the main event. That's just
my opinion.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
I don't think you're wrong Suddon as far as kind
of that approach. I think the just is the main
event needs to be what leads into or what is
the most important story you're trying to tell, and it's
not a coincidence. Typically the main event will be when
there's a champion being crowned, or Tony likes to on
pay per views where no belts are going to change.

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He typically has the order men's heavyweight, women's heavyweight, one
of you know, the men's tag title is the top
three matches or something. So whatever the main event is,
it's going to be a story. And I don't think
it'll be the finalist of the tag divisions. I don't
think that's the way they're going to go. But if
it is the men's cage match, which makes the most
sense because you got to put the cage up and

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you gotta put the cage down, blah blah blah, there
should be a big time angle coming out of it.
And if it's not, then whatever match is in there.
If it's the women match, we may be seeing a
title changer. So I think will be a disaster.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
But well it's got to be.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
It's they got to run an angle off of it,
and that's that's true traditionally how they run it, so
I don't think Sutton's off.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
It's just a question of which match they go.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Well, there is a little history here with title changes
of full gear, especially in the women's division. In twenty
twenty three Full Gear twenty twenty three, which took place
two years ago today November eighteenth, twenty twenty three, twenty
Storm defeated Karoshida to become the three time at that

(29:47):
time the three time AW Women's World champion, and Julia
Hart defeated Chris Statlander and sky Blue to become the
TBS champion. And so we did see at Full Gear
twenty twenty three, we did see two title changes in
the AW women's division on that one pay per view

(30:12):
anybody else in that the opinions on the Statlander money match.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
You've been quiet? Got anything for us?

Speaker 8 (30:21):
No, I've just been I've just been quiet. I'm just
I'm just thinking. So I don't really have anything yet.
And also I.

Speaker 6 (30:31):
Have to be a little quieter.

Speaker 8 (30:33):
Where I moved to is in the flight a flight path,
and there are quite a few planes flying ahead, and
I don't want it.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
To message oh gosh, yeah, recording. Yeah, I want to
make sure we weren't stucking up all the oxygen.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Well no, no, hopefully if a plane flight flies overhead
it enhances what you're saying. You know, well, well maybe
if top flight was in the in the pay per view,
there you go.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
Yeah, that's what's happening.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
All right. That well, let's move on to another title match.
Uh in this there's a lot of title matches in
this uh in this pay per view at boll Gear
Brodido versus f t R for the a W World
Tag Team title. How do you guys see this one

(31:26):
playing out?

Speaker 6 (31:27):
Retains next?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Really that was kind of a short and sweet uh
uh hypothesis. I guess does anybody disagree with with jess
on this one?

Speaker 3 (31:42):
I know I'm not gonna say I just agree. I'm
honestly not to who's gonna win this. I'm gonna be
rooting for BROC Fedo. But FTR could be the teams
in their reign and this is one of those. You know,
If Rodido wins, they beat one of the best tag

(32:03):
teams of all time. If FTR wins, Rodido loses to
one of the best tag teams of all time. There's
really no downside to this, at least in my opinion.
I know some people just don't like FTR for whatever reasons.
I'm not one of those people. I think they're, like

(32:25):
I said, one of the best tag teams of all time.
This is one of those matches I want a specific
team to win, but I'm gonna be happy no matter
what because i know it's going to be a great match.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, I'm kinda kind of with you on this. A
to me, this is a lot like the rematch. I
think of this a lot like the men's heavyweight title rematch.
I think the long term program is FTR versus co
con Christian. When they come back to that, the question
is is that going to be for the titles. I

(33:00):
could see Tony wanting to put the titles on Edge
or Copen Christian or Copeland and Chrishian or whatever he's
going by now. To do that, they got to take
it off somebody where it's significant, and that feud is
naturally with FTR. So if Tony's ready to pull the
trigger on that because Copeland's done doing whatever he's doing,
I could see FTR getting the win, or if they

(33:21):
hold off for another month, have Broddo get the win
and then FTR wins on the rematch. It's been a
fun ride for Broddo, and I think there's some more
juice they can get out of that. So I'm hoping
they retain and then FTR picks up the belts on
a rematch, because I really think them having the tag
titles will make their feud with Copen Christian more entertaining

(33:45):
and give it more stakes. But they don't need them,
so you know, maybe Brodido retains and they go in
a different direction. But I'm like you, Tom, I think
it's a win win. I could see both directions. It's
just depending on if they want to have those titles
as part of the feud. We all know that's coming
or not, and if they don't, then will retain. If
they do, then I think FTR either gets it this
one or in the rematch. Hey, maybe they do rematch

(34:07):
on TV, you know, make a big deal out of it.
Top rated.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
So yeah, maybe I oversimplified. I just couldn't bear the
thought of Bandido's adorable little Lobuela watching watching her grandson
and her grandson's great big scary friend lose.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
They're just so over I can see.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
To expand on that a little bit, is this this
is not a clean win. I think that if they're
going to involve Coping Christian in this, they come out
interfere somehow cost FTR the match, reignite the battle with them,
and there ends up being possibility of a three way
match down the road on TV that then leads to

(34:49):
FDR versus Coping Christian at the next pay per view.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah. I don't know, but for whatever reason and my gut,
I see FDR win this match. I don't know why.
It's just a gut feeling. I have no reason for
thinking that FTR is going to win this match other
than just that gut feeling. Anybody else with thoughts on
this match? All right? Then let's move on to the

(35:17):
proto star Kyle Fletcher against Mark Briscoe for the A
W T N T Champion Chip I wait, I apologize.
I didn't say Kyle Fletcher's full name full name Kyle
Marie Fletcher against Mark Briscoe from not on. Whenever I

(35:38):
say Kyle Fletcher's name, I'm gonna come up with a
different middle name because I don't know what his full
name is. Is Kyle Fletcher's full name?

Speaker 5 (35:44):
Maybe he doesn't have a middle name.

Speaker 8 (35:46):
Well, he's.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Well I don't think that first and last name is
a full name for Kyle Fletcher. Maybe for all the time.
You know, so you have Don Marie All.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
That's a star Kyle. Sorry, I forget, I can't Kyle.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
F There you go. Well, let's hear what your thoughts
are on this match comes the winner.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
I absolutely adore Mark Briscoe that said there is no
way the proto star Kyle Herbert Walker cannebunk Fort Fletcher
is losing this match.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Pop for Herbert Walker digest.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Okay, that's his name.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
You said that, And I'm like, oh.

Speaker 6 (36:52):
Yeah, no, especially like as soon as they put that
little stipulation that Mark has to join the Kallous family,
I'm like, that's what's happening. Mark's not winning.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Butler.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Brisco I told you they got to do the Butler storyline.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Something.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
They've got to do the Butler storyline.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
I want, I want Don Kallas to present him a
Butler suit. I'm like, make sure you're in this next week.
And he comes in next week with the sleeves cut off.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
And yeah, short, Don's like, you got to be presentable.
So he does that and he cuts the sleeves off.
That I mean that's perfect, Like you could just God,
there's so much you can mind, so much good fun.
And the thing is if he loses time like like
because that's a whole new angle in life. To the
Don Kallis family, we've not really been able to enjoy

(37:49):
them and and a lot of them have very good
comedic timing, especially Don and you know Risco does too.
You can work that in like this rematch's like, yeah,
I want to guy, It's it's going to be hard
for me to stub with Briscoe losing it again. It's like,
you know whatever, But you play the rest of the
story like people are going to be dying for him

(38:09):
to get Fletcher this time, and then that's when you.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Pull the trigger.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Fletcher will have a long enough rain, it's time to
elevate him and Maine events seen after that. But if
they go with Briscoe winning, like the comedic stuff they
can do for a couple of months to really really
make us want this, like Kyle's bullying him.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
They're just there's a lot of possibilities there.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, there's way more to do with There's way more
to do with Briscoe losing than Briscoe wins. Plus he's
just like Kyle Fletcher mentioned. Win he wins that full gear,
he passes the title defense record, have him do that,

(38:50):
get more and then you can have a you know,
by a red hot baby face the title from him
after you know, that's the next paper or at Revolute,
you know, or or then you can you can have
it where Mark Briscoe costs.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
That's what I was just thinking. He cut from the
title and then their match if he wins, if he
beats Kyle after that, it's for his freedom to get
out of the don kallispan exactly.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
You don't need the title in their final match. You
need it for Briscoe's freedom. You need brisco to mess
with the don Kallas family never want to do what
they want, cost him matches. It's just there's so much
more to do with brisco losing than winning. If brisco wins, okay,

(39:42):
he gets his first title, he has a nice little reign,
and then he loses to somebody and that's it.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
I would immediately, so I just thought about it. I
would start immediately and like as soon as he loses,
they start bringing bags out, they make him like.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
They just immediately start treating it.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yeah, you right off the bat at that match and
like just start that angle immediately at the end.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Of that match.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yes, yes, sorry, well no, I.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Was gonna say we kind of overlooked something on Dynamite.
We talked about there being the match between for the
who is not head to stair who is it that's
wrestling Okada. We kind of overlook the fact that there's
another angle in the Dawn Kados family that's unresolved. It
could have an effect on the paper view because you

(40:36):
still have Tekeusta and Ocado's stuff that has to be resolved,
and you know they could end up tomorrow night having
Takesha get involved in that match, and you know, you
guys talked about them winning the chance at the at
the Trio's match. That's good. He could he could end
up getting involved without costing Ocada the match, but then

(40:58):
it could set up a match between them at the
at the Paper.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Or that's part OF's face turn as he ends up
helping Mark Briscoe along the line too after he loses.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
That's too far off.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
I would I wouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
I think they're saving the Okada to catch the match
for Worlds in the Continental Classic finals and to beat Okada,
which would be man he wins the g one. The
only problem I had the Continental Classic, that the and
the i w g P title all in the same year.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
That's that's the problem I have with that idea, because
as long as Takesha has the i w GP title,
you don't want him losing any matches in a w
because if you have the new Japan's Champion losing matches
in a w that desecrates their title. So if you
have to match with them, you're gonna have to either

(41:53):
have to catch to lose that title before then, or
not have him in the in the in the Classic,
because if you put him in the Classic, that's too
much that you're gonna have. You're you're pretty much going, hey,
remember when we put Eddie Kingston in here and he gave.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Him all those wins.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
You're just doing the same thing with it later on.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
The difference is Tikester is one of the best wrestlers
in the world and Eddie Kingston's bomb.

Speaker 7 (42:15):
I get that, But you're saying but you're saying to
the block, but you're saying to the fans if you
put if you have the i w GP title on
Takeshta during and he's in the Continental Classic, you're guaranteed him.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Not to lose a match.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
You know it's coming from.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
You can put him up against everybody and you can
go ahead and just give him wins. And you don't
want that in that tournament. It's been that way every year.
You don't want to continue to do that because then
that tournament loses face.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
I slightly disagree because Okada has not gone undefeated last year.
And you can eat a loss if you do it
the right way to the right performer. If for some
reason Kenny Omega was in it and he drops to Kenny,
that's fine whatever, but that you can work it.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
But to your point, Sudden like, that's it. One loss.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
And the reason I say that is is they're not
scared to beat me inventors in the G one.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
You know, big time names and stuff in those in
those two. But you have to keep.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Them strong and and a rub with a loss to
the i W g P champion, he can even be
a count out or some other thing with the rules whatever.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
But I think off topic, this is.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
This is more of a pop. This is more of
a potpri session. Sudden that was Sudden was not smart
bringing that up. But they're in the bridge, you know,
look to bring it to bring bring it back on track. Uh.
I don't think that there is any chance that Mark

(43:55):
Briscoe defeats Kyle Dwayne Alizondoo Do Camacho Fletcher for the
TNT Championship. It's just that simple. I don't think there's
any scenario where that happens. It something bigger is coming
up for Fletcher. What it is, I don't know, but

(44:17):
something bigger is coming up. Mark Briscoe is just not it. Now.
If Mark Briscow does somehow come away with the TNT Championship,
I think that does. I hate to say this, but
I do believe it weakens the TNT Championship. But it
does free up Kyle Fletcher to go forth to Let's

(44:39):
say MGF doesn't show up and Pegman annam Page needs
somebody to feud with. Kyle Fletcher's a good choice, That's
all I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (44:50):
Oh, we're all in agreement that the proto star Kyle,
Luisa Contessa, Maria Francesc Banana, Mana A Flo Fesca, the
third Fletcher is going to win this match.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
No, for the record, I don't know who's gonna win.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
I hope Risco loses because I want to see the
Butler angle that I've been saying they should run for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Oh yes it is.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
But to Colson's point, I do think if Brisco wins.
I like Mark a lot. He's perpetually over. I don't
see him as a champion.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Well, you know. The other thing that I do want
to say is that you know, and I think it
was time to brought this up earlier. Letcher has eight
successful TMT title defenses. One more would give him the record.
If he has a successful defense, one more would get
him the record. And with a race right now, the
record is eight and it's held by three different wrestlers, Darby, Allen, Miro,

(45:51):
and Cody. Cody and Miro are no longer with AW, obviously,
and it seems to be recently that Tony CON's been
on quite a role with getting x AW wrestlers off
the record books. This would be a good opportunity to
get yet another couple of AW wrestlers off the AW

(46:13):
record books. We just had j Cargill's record broken by
Mercedes Monett, thank goodness. And that's the stick. Let's move
on to what you know the Casino Gauntlet matches in AW.

(46:36):
I don't think there's ever been a bad one, whether
it's on a pay per view or if it's on
regular TV. They always hit, and they hit just right.
I'm looking forward to this match. This match, of course,
is to crown the inaugural AW National champion. I think Barry,

(46:57):
wasn't you et Ceter earlier that maybe Maskar Dorata would
be a really good choice. I love that. I love
that pick. I really do uh interested to hear you
know somebody else's picks. Who do you who would you
like to see as as the first international champion in.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
A w EDI.

Speaker 8 (47:21):
That was my pick too.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I had initially said Claudio, but now you know now,
thanks a love, Barry. Now I won't Master Derada to win.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
So it's time another promotion as an AW belt.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
It's time.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Well then, well then.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
She's gonna be busy. I think I think she got
started on something else. Yeah, I had said Claudio, and
I still think he'd be a good choice, but I
do kind of I like, we're we're very exciting with
Master Dorata, and you know, putting the belt on a
non AW guy to start would be a really interested move.

(48:07):
And you know, Tony Kain said he wants us to
be a belt that travels. Master Dorads wrestled in New Japan.
You know he's wrestled in obviously, he wrestled mainly in CMLL.
But I'm sure rev Pro would love to have him,
you know, I now as I think about it, Yeah,

(48:29):
or or Mistico. Mistico would be a great choice as well.
You know, he's another guy who has wrestled in New Japan.
I'm pretty sure he's done rev pro shows. You know,
I don't think he's opposed to working some bigger American
independent shows. Oh, I'm not gonna say one specific person.

(48:51):
I'm gonna say my top three choices right now are
Claudio Derada and just a completely out of left field Richish.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Interesting. All right, so we already heard a couple of
Eddie Kingston's god uh, anybody else have an intelligent pick?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I don't think it's I don't think it's gonna be
anybody outside of of of an actual a w person
for the inaugural win Pan Housen.

Speaker 8 (49:29):
Oh, that's another good one.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
I'm kind of gonna say I agree kind of with what.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Was just said.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I think it might be uh the title they put
on Ricket.

Speaker 9 (49:43):
I mean, he's kind of he's kind of been doing
this right thing with this, with this the way they've
been doing this thing now, and it might be the
time to put a title on him because it's not
it's not a non important title, but it's not like
the top title, and it might be a way for
him get his first Golden aw You.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Think this needs I've said a couple of times that
there needs to be a title that moves around more.
I think they have two longer runs. I thought the
mid card belts are going to be for that. But
if you're gonna have a title that bounces between promotions,
this is the one to do it with. To your point,
Sutton or even to time, I think Claudia would be
really good. I'm totally cool with that, and and I'm

(50:23):
totally cool with with Ricochet getting it. But what if
they are the ones that win it off Derada? You know,
I think I think going back and forth between another promotion,
both of them would be perfect champions. They can both
defend overseas, they've all worked overseas, they've worked in other countries.
I think those are good. I think that's the tier
people that need to have this kind of belt. But

(50:44):
I just I don't see a downside having Dorata won it.
He's over, he's been on TV a lot. There's a
reason he's going to be on TV this week again.
Clearly they're going to use him on Saturday if they
put it on them. CMML is a great promotion, arguably
the hottest in the world right now outside of w
w E, and you want to keep that relation super strong.

(51:05):
It's easy to travel down to Mexico to do matches too,
as opposed to going to Japan or somewhere else. So
if they go with somebody outside of a W I
think that's the call.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I think I got a name that might be even
worse than Eddie Kingston impossibly, not impossible, who hasn't been
around for ages and keeps talking about leaving and ain't
left yet. Chris Jericho is God.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I to be honest with you, I had thought about
Chris Jerico.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I am a christ in my opinion, He's one of
the all time great Hell to the motherfucking know.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
M Okay, well, okay, I would rather keep everybody everybody
be quiet real quick, so that uh okay, now, carry
on because I got to edit that.

Speaker 10 (51:58):
Out like god, Like I said, and you know the
guy that everybody's forgetting it does, Big Bill's.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Gonna say that when they stopped talking, that that's my
dark horse, that's big Bill.

Speaker 5 (52:16):
Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I think it's.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
Seriously, I think mine.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Horse tick.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Oh, that's not a bad call. Es, that's not a
bad call at all.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Ultimately, Ultimately, I would like to see somebody that has
not had a singles belt in a w whin this.
It could be somebody that's a better trios champion like Claudio,
or even a tag team champion. But I love the
Mascara Dorata pick uh. You know, there's just so many
people speedball, Mike Bailey, Kevin Knight.

Speaker 8 (52:53):
Uh, Bobby Lashley, Shelton Benjamin.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
These are all people that I think would do well.
I would like to go younger, so I would if
not masskar Dorood, I would love to see Mike Bailey
or Kevin Knight, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Yeah, man, this is where there's like a dozen ways
they could go and it would be hard to say
any of them are wrong. Right, I'm looking forward to
this match. Just see who always in it. And who
wins it. You know I have when I said I
have my picks, i'd like but this is one of

(53:35):
those bats man, I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
I think it's just throw something out there.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
This is the one I'm looking to move forward to.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
I want to throw something out there.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
So I believe Nito was supposed to par in an
Indie promotion this week and had to pull out for
some reason.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
I think you were gonna be a wXw.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Yeah, I I don't think there's a chance like that's
where they put the title on him, but as a
surprise entrance, I think that would be I would.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
I don't think n likes coming to America at all.
And also, you know, I mean his time in c
MLLL was. I mean, you know that's he does where
he opened his eye is because during his extended stay
in CMLL, that's what the Mexican fans did to like

(54:32):
haunt him straight up a little racist.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
I think just at one time appearance. I don't think.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
I don't mean for the belt, but sometimes it's fun
to just have like that's one of the things that
the rumbles always fun. With w w's you get some random
or you know celebrities. Yeah, one thing coming in. Yeah, yeah,
that's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
I know forever if yeah, if if Nito shows up,
I would scream positive if Jericho.

Speaker 11 (55:06):
Came up, yeah it did would if you guys watched
or heard Tony Kahn's interview today with Arielwani.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Ah Hajwani brought up a bunch of names, uh, and
a couple of names that he did throw out was
one was Chris Jericho, and Tony Kahan was pretty.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I don't want to say he danced around it, but
it didn't. It kind of gave me the impression, Oh, yeah,
Jericho's back, but he just doesn't want to say that
he's back, you know what I mean? Does that make
sense to you?

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
He d he's kind of vague about it.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
If we could make the dates to work and that's all.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
But there was somebody else that he said that he
kind of danced around it and just you know, for
some reason when he said talked about this when he
was asked about this person by Holwani. Uh, I just
don't think that Tony Kahan was being on the up
and up. I could be wrong, but I think it

(56:21):
was protecting the story and that was Carrie and Cross.
I would be surprised at all if Carrion Cross showed
up in this match as a surprise entrant.

Speaker 8 (56:33):
I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
I think having one shot like cardonas and stuff or fine.
I don't want to see him sign.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Well I'm not saying to be in sign I'm saying
he's gonna show up in this match.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Well, yeah, that's fine. Just like Nito.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
I don't want to see night Too signed either, But
if he shows up, I'm gonna pop. I mean, that's
the point that he said, you have a little fun
with him, you know, to've done that before.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yeah, absolutely, you know. I mean it's what you do.
The point of the matter is is that this kind
of match, as I said in the opening of this,
it doesn't miss. These matches are always fun. And I
think that Casino Gauntlin is one of the one of

(57:19):
the premiere a W matches. You know, I really do.
It's it's it's similar to the Royal Rumble, but different
in the structure to where it's its own thing, and
I like it.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
I think he's got two signature matches.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
The stadium Stampede and the Gauntlet match.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
I think you're spot on, Coston.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, and it's been far too long since we've done
a stadium stampede and aw, by the.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Way, we really need one, We really really stadium stamp
aids last anarchy in the arena where they're.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
Yeah, same thing. Good point, they had.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Any in the arena two long ago.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
It's the same match at double or nothing in football stadiums, right,
that's the different.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah, basically, Yeah, the whole reason they had stadium stampede
was during the pandemic because they had the Jaguars Stadium
right there. Once they were once they no longer had
the stadium right there, they moved, they switched over to
an art in the arena.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Right, and don't forget what the stadium with the stadium stampede. Well,
but it's not really off topic because we were talking
about Casino Gautlet being a really great novelty match and
stadium stampede is too. The other thing with stadium stampede,
especially when they did it in Jaguars Stadium, I mean
that wasn't a that was a production, that wasn't a match.

(58:54):
I mean they filmed that over two days a matter
of fact, if you've read the book, uh, this is
all lead. Uh they actually finished that match. I believe
they said it like a five thirty in the morning
is when they finished the stadium to that bead match.
So yeah, it was a pretty interesting thing. But let's
move on this one. This match is interesting to me.

(59:17):
Pack versus Darby Allen. This is the first match since
we've been previewing Full Gear where there isn't a title
on the line, but it sure seems like a title
match to me. I don't know how you guys feel

(59:38):
about it. I'm gonna I'm gonna withhold. I'm gonna withhold
my my prediction, my prediction. Here go ahead.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
I'm excited for this one. I think it's gonna I
think Pak is gonna beat hell out of Darby Allen.
I mean, which is kind of comment in at Darby
Allen actually means, to be honest, ninety of his matches
is him getting his ass beaten and doing a few
crazy moves and coming back. But I think Hawk needs

(01:00:07):
this win, and I think Hawk winning is going to
be a catalyst for the death writers looking at Moxley like, well,
you couldn't beat him, but he did the guy anymore?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Let me interrupt you here because if you look at
the if you look at the the whole thing here,
one of the one of the things that stands out
is where's Moxley? Is Moxley even in this pay per view?
And if he is, he's not being he's not being

(01:00:46):
heralded too much. My point being is do you think
that this is UH? Look, people have been talking about
the downfall Moxley, not as a wrestler, but as the
leader I guess of the I almost said the Black
Bull country Club, which is why I which is why
I used to screw up the Black Buol Combat Club

(01:01:08):
back in the day. Now I can't even say Death Writers.
I'm saying Black Bull country Club. Do you think that?
I don't know about you, Dan, And I'd like to
hear other people's opinions, But for I think Pack has
taken over somewhat of a leadership role in the UH
and the Death Writers and UH. I'm just interested to

(01:01:30):
see if anybody else sees that. And of course we
want to talk about the match.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah, I agree with the same here. Like I said
at the start, I think Mosley will be facing Kyle
O'Reilly which could be really interesting if O'Reilly beats them again,
because then if that mass happens and O'Reilly wins, which
is very possible, and then Puck beats Darby Alvin. Yeah,

(01:01:56):
I think that is like the guest writers are really
gonna be like, why are we following you? When you
gave up against Hangman? Have you know itit'ched out of
two match. You fished out of your match against Bill Riley,
you fished out of your match against roder Strong. You're

(01:02:17):
the one who tapped out in blood and guts. You
couldn't beat him again tonight. U you tapped out against
Darby Allen and Pak beat Darby Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Now, so I think.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Both of those things are very possible, and we'll have
the death writers looking at Pawk as like, maybe he's
the guy we should be following. Maybe you know, he
just ain't it anymore?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Yeah, for that reason, and then I'll go ahead and
make my my pick here for the reasons you just stated.
I don't think there's any way that Pack loses this
match gainst Darby Allen.

Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
Yeah, it's gonna be a It's probably gonna be our
designated Sicko match of the night, which so I'm very
much looking forward to that. It's gonna be hilazious. But yeah,
it makes the most narrative sense for Po to come
out on top on this one.

Speaker 8 (01:03:09):
I think Pak is gonna win too. But I have
a question for everyone. Have you all noticed that Pock
and Juice Robinson dress alike?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Have you ever they do?

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
Have you ever seen Pocket the time?

Speaker 8 (01:03:25):
No, I have not seen them at the same time,
but they dress exactly alike. Now that that Poc has
switched to pants, he and Juice Robinson have the same outfit.
Watch it and you'll see it. You're upset, then.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
A Pock.

Speaker 8 (01:03:52):
Yeah, I enjoyed it, and they moved the sauna.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
But yeah, I he's perfetially in a saua just at.

Speaker 8 (01:04:04):
I think he is. He should get he should get
some kind of endorsement.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Deals are so visible. He goes in the snore.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
I think you're spot on.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
I think I think Pac wins for all the reasons
everybody else outlined. They're pushing him. I think it's I
don't think it's a coincidence. He's been talking more. They've
been trying to improve his aura a little bit. As
a smaller guy. He needs that badly to be believable
as a top fellow because he's shorter. So they've been
really focusing on that. And I do think it's along

(01:04:46):
the lines of what you said. I it's not going
to be I don't think it will be a beatdown
on Moxley where they turn. I think it's going to
be one at a time and they start following Pac
and Marina will be the last one and it's going
to lead. Yeah, it's going to leave mox on his own.
She will be the last one to turn and follows.

Speaker 5 (01:05:04):
Kind of look at the group. I mean, there's other
ways they can look at this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I think that's that's I don't think I can see
Derby winning this because of Mox. I could see him
coming out to do the death Rids thing and costing
Pack the match, and then that can lead into I mean,
there's a couple of different ways they can go with this.
If you if you, if you have Derby loos to me,

(01:05:32):
it kind of tarnishes the work he's been doing against
the Death Riders because.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
You're cashing in the capitol they've built with him. That's
the point one.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Because everybody like you're you're using the capital you've earned
with with with Derby here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
I just I just see it happening different.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
I just see it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I think that.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
But what's the motivation for Max to do that?

Speaker 12 (01:05:53):
Because it's a Death's death writer. Here's the motivation. He's
coming out like the always do. Death writers always come
out and interfere in the matches. So they come out
to interfere.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
And he makes a mistake, can cost Pack the match?

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Pop then gets you know that least on purpose. It's
not that he does it on purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
It's an accident. It's something that either he goes to
the Derby in the corner and Marx us there with
the chair, or you know, gets reversed and he nails Pop.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
It needs to. I just I don't see you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Killing Darby's momentum, beating the death Riders at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Well, also keep in mind that we have a three
hour Dynamite Collision tomorrow night, and something could happen. We
could get that Kyle o'reiley and John Moxley match. Maybe
there's a stipulation and maybe Moxley comes out there and
he proves that he's the man and beats Kyle o'reiley.

(01:06:58):
But meanwhile, tomorrow night, maybe you have a conversation between
Pack and at Moxley where Pack basically says, how about
not losing this time? And it pisss Moxley off. It's
like the catalyst that you know, pisses Moxley off to
the point where he can't lose, and now he's now
he's not as mad at Kyle O'Reilly. He's more mad

(01:07:21):
at Pack. Yeah, you know, there's there's all kinds of
things that can happen tomorrow night in this story, is
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
I think the commonality is we all want to see
an internal feud between Pac and mox whatever way they
run it, I think that I think everybody's in agreement.
That's that's what people want to see it. They want
to see friction and the death writers in a fight
for leadership.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Regardless, you also forget you also forget.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
The one thing that they mentioned during the match on Wednesday.
The first time they were in a match together, there
was friction between Poc and Claudio. They actually attacked each
other in the first match. They brought that up in the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
So uh when they were in Blood and Gods before. Yeah, yeah,
straight up walk out of the mat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, there's a bunch of different right. Yeah that was
a black that was a Blackpool Combat Club, and yeah,
back abandoned them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
It was before packet, right, But that's that doesn't mean
anything because it was still something that happened to them
as a group, and that could lead to something.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
I mean, this is another one of those matches that
there are so many things that could happen that it
makes it worth watching because you just don't know what
is going to happen in this match.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
There's a lot of moving parts in this one, a
lot of changing years.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Did you have something wanted add?

Speaker 8 (01:08:46):
Oh yeah, that's okay. I was gonna say that. I
don't think that Marina will be the last one to
leave Moxley. I think it's gonna be wheel Er you to.
I think he's gonna hang with Moxley and till the
very end. I can see Marina getting frustrated and walking away.

(01:09:07):
But I think Wheeler you'da is really that holdout.

Speaker 6 (01:09:10):
Oh I like that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Oh yeah, Wheeler You'd punk side kid. Yeah, and he's
gonna stick by his side, like that's the guy. I mean,
he basically sold his soul to Mosley you like, because
you know, was a Brian Danielson guy. So when he

(01:09:38):
turned on Brian Danielson, he basically gave everything to Mosley,
became exactly his mentor. Maxley became his daddy, right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
But Wheeler now is not the Wheeler that joined the
Blackpool Combat Club. Wheeler now is a toady. That's his character.
Wheeler will side with whatever team appears to get the
advantage first. If it's Pack and Claudio, He's going to
follow them. He will not be the last one he
I would predict He'll be one of the first ones

(01:10:13):
to go to join the new Hotness and be with
who he thinks is the Alphans, because he that's his character.
He's a toady and so he's going to go with
who he thinks the top dog is. I think I
do think if it's not Marina's the last one. The idea,
like you were saying with Wheeler, Garcia is the one
that Mox brought into the group, and Garcia kind of

(01:10:34):
idolizes Mox. I could see maybe Garcia being the last one,
But from a narrative standpoint, I think Marina turning will
have the most weight out of all.

Speaker 6 (01:10:43):
I think, Oh, I was gonna say, like, that's interesting, Barry,
because I was thinking the opposite. Basically, if you'll remember,
Danny told Daddy Magic basically that it wasn't that you
didn't like him, he just wanted to go with somebody stronger,

(01:11:05):
which last yeah, yeah, which basically like yeah paints sort
of paints in my mind Danny as that sort of
opportunistic one who will probably want to be one of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
The first boy.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
Be one of the first to join a park's side.
And I think, uh, I think that's right. I think
one of the last holdouts, if not the last holdout,
will be you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Don't I think you didn't Danny are out first, because
Danny was already showing signs of one of having problems.
After Blood and Guts, Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
Yeah, he gave like mocks that death glare.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
I don't see him staying very long. I think he's
gonna take this this if there starts to be cracks
in it, I think it's going to be Dani need
you to go out as a tag team, because they
have been tagging together and then the rest of them
fall apart. I'm not even sure you're gonna keep this
group together outside of Max leader. I could see him

(01:12:04):
all going their separate ways. To be honest about it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
I think you're keeping together and this ends with Max
as the baby face.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
They could very well beat some time off before that happened.
Let me throw something out. Let me throw something out here.
Uh what if Pac isn't the ring leader? What if
he is not the catalyst for the destruction of the
well the inner destruction of the of the death Rids.

(01:12:35):
There's better. There is another person that has hands with
Wheeler Yuda, Daniel Garcia, Claudio Castignoli, et cetera, et cetera.
And that's Brian Danielson.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Oh wow, that's that's kind of getting deep there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
I'm telling you, I would not put it past Tony
con to have the ultimate swear being Brian Danielson as
as the ringleader.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
I can see it.

Speaker 8 (01:13:12):
I can see it so.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
Like n w O Danielson or no, not that bad.

Speaker 11 (01:13:19):
Because with a bunch of like legit heels well, but
you what what when you look at it, maybe maybe not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I mean, it's just I'm just putting that out there.
I mean, Willer, they were.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
The bad guys and boots like, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
No but Wheeler da has had face tendencies. Claudio castic
Noli has had face tendencies, but I'm well not he
was never been a good guy in the Death Writers,
but he wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Bunny bad guys. They were just the bad guys.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
But listen, listen to me here, all right, none of
them were good guys and the death Riders, but they
all were good guys in the Blackpool Combat Club. And
who was one of the leaders of the black Poil
Combat Club, Brian Danielson.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
So maybe this hels like that's just.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Club they were sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Apologized, no, but no, no, no, not at all. But
even looking at it this way, Danielson was also a
heel in the Blackpool Combat Club. Remember he was calling
all the wrestlers amateurs and stuff like that. So if
you're going to do a swerve, that's the swerve. I mean,
I don't like the n w O Danielson thing because

(01:14:45):
n w O was starting started great point, so yeaheah,
he's got to be a heel.

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
Look, can I make one more like comment before we
move on. I have been watching this very closely because
I have been waiting with baited breath and great eagerness
for John Moxley to hit rock bottom, not because I
don't like him, He's my favorite. I desperately miss face

(01:15:19):
Mock and I sort of had this little vision in
my head of maybe once he hits that rock bottom
that is completely alone in the world, maybe one hangman
Page reaches out a hand to him, the way Will
Osprey reached out to him when he was at his lowest.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
It could be. I do believe that John Moxley is
at rock bottom right now. But look, let's move on
because this is the final match that we're going to
be talking about before we get to our Poe Prix.
And this is an intriguing match because the Young Bucks
have a decision to make on AW Dynamite AW Collision
tomorrow night. But as of right now now they are

(01:16:01):
on the opposite sides of this match against Lucasaurus. Uh,
jungle Jack Perry and Kenny Omega. But uh, do you
guys see the Young Bucks joining the Don Kallis family,
Because I certainly do not.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
No way going back to Kenny.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
They're going back to.

Speaker 8 (01:16:24):
They've been learning about friendship, and I think they're gonna
go back.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
The trend is showing friends getting back together and stuff
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
You're right on, but how do you time? How do
you how do.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
You book this match to set that up so that
they get their baby Facer in the end.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Honestly, I think they do join the don Kallas family
short term. I think they because I think they joined
because they're desperate for money. They're they're broke, and they
don't know how to handle that. They haven't been rope
for years now. I mean, they vote, so I think

(01:17:04):
they're going to be like, we need this money, we need,
you know, some sense of power. Like they are lost
where they are, and Don Kallas is taking advantage of that.
They're going to join. They're going to win the million
dollars and they're going to enjoy it briefly until don

(01:17:26):
Kallus goes too far with his attacks on Kenny and
he's yelling at him to give him the bte trigger
and they finally just look at Kenny. He looks up
at him, just broken and beaten, and they go to

(01:17:48):
do it, but they just can't because you know, all
this money and power hasn't brought him happiness. They were
at the happy, they were at the happy when they
were just having fun with Kenny and hangman, and you
know they're they're real friends. So I think I think

(01:18:11):
it's a short term deal where they joined the don
Kallas family and maybe it leads to another anarchy in
the arena, you know, down the road, and that's when
they they drop the hands, they drop him, flip John
Kallas off, super tick him, and that's how they turned

(01:18:34):
face again.

Speaker 13 (01:18:35):
And I one hundred I agree with you if that
was to happen, Okay, well, okay, no, I'm just saying
if that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
If your scenario happened, it happens at buol Gear. It
doesn't go past that. It does not have to be
a short term thing. Don Kallas has the people come out,
they take out Lucasaurus and Jungle Boy. They got in
the middle of the ring and the Bucks turn on
them there and that's when it goes. I don't see
them wasting any time being part of it. You can't

(01:19:09):
have them add in the Bucks and Brisco at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
That's too much story.

Speaker 9 (01:19:14):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:19:17):
Something something I've noticed with the young Bucks is Nicholas
is the one that's acting like a money hungry maniac,
and Matt always has that look of hesitation and sometimes
actually anger. That Nick is going around spending all of

(01:19:39):
their money and just you know, doing the things that
he does.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
And we all.

Speaker 8 (01:19:47):
Tend to think that the Young Bucks are because they're brothers,
that they always are going to function together, and I
think there's quite the possibility that they may not. They
may have some kind of argument together where it looks
like they're really really mad at each other. And this

(01:20:07):
is where Kenny kind of steps in and they have
that come together moment and just beat the heck out
at at least a few members of the Callous family,
because Kenny has just been running around non stop trying
to get his hands on Don Callous, and I think
that that moment is really coming due. So I'm interested

(01:20:32):
to see it, and I don't I don't doubt that
Okata plays some kind of role in this as well.
Don't underestimate him. But Kelson, you were gonna say something
before we all kind of interrupted you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
No, no, not a problem. Here's the thing. I don't
believe this match happens at full gear, really not in
the way that it is set up currently. I think
that it's going to be Lucasaurus, Jack Perry, Kenny Obega
and the Young Bucks against the Don Kallis family, including
Gabe kidd. Uh. That's what I think is gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
I've got to interrupt you. Game Kit is in World
Tag League. There is a World Tag League show on
the twenty second.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
So okay, okay, that that's fine. Well, it is possible
because look at Began Baine.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
She's at the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
World Tag League in startup. She's had what at what point,
she had like nine matches in eleven days.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
It is literally on second right, Yeah, but the time
difference won't allow it because yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
A okay, okay, thank you. Uh but anyway, there's other
members that we don't have to go into a ten
minute explanation of a time uh. But my point is
is that there are plenty of other members of the
don call this family to pick a choose from U

(01:22:02):
takesh is not in this you know, at just Sarah,
there's a bunch. I honestly believe that the match that is,
this trios match is not going to happen. It's just
not going to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
I think it happens. I think Time was kind of
spot on with how the end happens.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
I just think it happens after the match.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
I think Alexander and the Bucks win and Cal's family
comes out, there's a beatdown, and that exact spot Time
mentioned where they said you got to give Kenny the
BT trigger and they just can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:38):
And that's the term.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
Well you set up a five y five on TV
or something, Kelson. But I think I think Time kind
of nailed. I think what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
I just oh my reasoning, My reasoning for it is
is that the young Bucks, as Time said, they need
the money, but what they're doing to get money isn't working.
They've made money, but they've lost the money. Because they're lost,
they need to find themselves. They need to go back

(01:23:08):
to the people that made them. And they're gonna end
up becoming EVPs again. They're gonna end up being the
vps and they're going to be not I don't want
to say baby faces, but they're gonna be you know,
kind of tweeterers on that like they've they've always been.

(01:23:30):
They've they've had their moments of face and healed. They've
they're just the Bucks, you know, the Bucks are the Bucks.
They're kind of like the Black Book Combat Club when
we were talking about them on this podcast A House
of Black another good example. Uh, they get cheered, but
they're not baby faces, but they're not really heels. They

(01:23:52):
can they just serve their purpose. They serve their own purpose.
The Bucks have always been that way. But they've also
been very loyal to their and their friends are on
the other side right now. The money is on the
don Kallis family, but their friends are on the other
side right now. And where did they make their money
by being loyal to their friends?

Speaker 5 (01:24:14):
They did try to kill Kenny though.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
They did, you know. And but the thing about the
thing about wrestling is, oh, you drove a spike through
my forehead. That was a couple of years ago. That's
got a forg That's.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
A great idea. What's a little bit of a murder
between friends?

Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
Look at Sammy Zain and Kevin Owens. They love each
other as much as two friends can. And how many
times have they tried to kill each other?

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Well, look at this rig of honor. I mean you
got people in there that are literally hitting each other
with boards and thumbtacks and all this kind of stuff,
and then they shake their hands in hog after after
the match. I mean it's wrestling.

Speaker 8 (01:24:55):
I don't think that'll happen with Kenny and Callous though.
I don't think don't over make up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
No, I don't think they will either. If they do,
it'll be a very very long, slow process.

Speaker 6 (01:25:09):
Point about them becoming vps again, I think they may
have learned their lesson like by ruling like a couple
of little tyrants. They made everybody hate them, which they
didn't care when they were in power, but bit them
in the ass later. I think when they do become EVPs,
and maybe they'll rule with a kinder touch this time,
there's still going to be They're.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Not going to have a match they've advertised for a
few weeks.

Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
I said, I don't see the.

Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
Changing that well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
But again, you know, Barry, it's not that they're not
going to do the match, it's just that teams are
going to change a little bit. I think there it's
going to be a five five three on three.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
It is, but I'm sorry, Kenny, the Bucks and Dresser
or Express versus the Don Kalis All Stars is not
as important a match as Kenny and Jurassic Express versus
the Bucks and Josh Alexander.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
But how important is this it's that attraction.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
By addition, well, it depends on the storyline.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
I mean, if it's part of the bucks face turn
and the Elite getting back together to go up to
the Trios titles, I'd say it's a pretty important match.
If that's not the direction they're going, then it's not
and they can, you know, do whatever clown show do.

Speaker 8 (01:26:14):
And Kenny is gonna he is pretty mad at the
Walking Weapon Josh Alexander because Josh Alexander beat up what's
his name backstage? Michael, Well, how do you say nakno?
Because out thank you? So I think there's a little

(01:26:35):
bit of tension there. And did you all know that
I can't say the Walking Weapon Josh Alexander's name unless
I say the whole thing, otherwise I can't remember his name.
So that's why I keep saying the Walking Weapon Alexander.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
The reason for being mad that Alexander has to do
with Josh Alexander entering Kenny's lover. I mean Alexander the
one who took him out.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Oh yeah, he mentioned that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
Kinny and versus it's still kill me.

Speaker 8 (01:27:16):
The power of a Boosie is strong.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
I think he's still got at least a month or
two to recover.

Speaker 8 (01:27:25):
He was still was standing up the weekendster surgery. He
might come riding his bike in there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Yeah, well, look, let's move on. I want to I
do want to do a postpai section. I want to
lead it off. Look, we've had uh some bad news
coming from Riba. She has lung cancer and I don't
even want to attempt to disrespect her by but she's
got a long list of physical ailments. I just want

(01:27:58):
to say, you know, I posted the story about it
on different subreddits, some of them WWE specific, and of
course the w fanhub subreddit and everybody. I think if
there's anything that can bring people together more than you

(01:28:19):
know that just bypass tribalism, it's something like this. So
much support coming from the from the fans for Riba,
and it's genuine. It wasn't. People were literally talking about
how much they liked her in Displace, how much they
liked their displace, or their favorite moments with her, and

(01:28:42):
things like that. We're talking again, out of a diverse
group of wrestling fans. Riba, good luck. I'm thinking about you. Fight.
Just fight, That's all I wanted to say. Anybody else
with the potpourri.

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
I had a quick one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Going.

Speaker 5 (01:29:01):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
So one of the benefits of living in Orlando, Florida
is I get to see a lot of professional wrestlers
on a pretty regular basis, both locally and in the
Greater Metro area. This weekend, I was at Epcot and
a young woman turned around and I always had a
Kenny Omega T shirt on. She's like, oh like your shirt.
I'm like, oh, thanks, you know, are you a Kenny fan?

(01:29:23):
And the guy she was with said, tell her who
your dad is and she said, well, I'm Sanjay Dot's daughter,
and I said, oh, that's nice.

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
So we chatted a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:29:33):
She was there with a friend of hers and I
think her friend's older brother or something.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
Really really really nice, sharp young woman.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
So Sandre, if you're out there, just want to let
you know you have a very nice daughter, very smart.
Heard her friends, you knew having a good time, and
she was She's very busy to chat with for a
minute or so on mind.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Very cool. That was a nice little story beat that Jess.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
I can't good job raising a kid. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
All I was going to say is I was not
feeling well last week, so unfortunately I was not at
the podcast, so I didn't get to talk about it then,
and it hadn't even happened yet then, so I'll talk
about it now. Blood and Guts was so much fun.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
I don't think.

Speaker 6 (01:30:14):
I this is not to disparage all the other episodes,
but I think it's the most fun I've had watching
Dynamite in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
That was look, three matches over two and a half
hours with almost because I think it came out to
one hour and fifty seven minutes of actual wrestling. Amazing,
And I was so happy that the women stole the show.

Speaker 6 (01:30:41):
Oh yeah. I mean, like I some people were worried
about like oversaturation, you know, both of violence and maybe
of the ring mats getting coded in redbisc was fluid,
but I think like the women's match was the more
pardon the expression, balls out violent of the two, and

(01:31:04):
the men's match was more like you would trust me.
It was a absolute slaughterfest too, but it was more
for storytelling purposes. Like you got like Max getting pinned,
you got Danny giving him that death glare afterwards. But
oh my god, the ending of the women's match, just
like I think if somebody was beating up my wife

(01:31:28):
in front of me. I would tap out too.

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
Yeah, they both had fantastic finishes. Yeah, and they were
completely different. Reasons that the ending of the women's match
had so much emotion because that whole thing was just
the baby Faces and the Heels hating each other. There
wasn't really a whole lot more story other than they've
just been as a group fighting with each other and
this was the big blowoff. So with Amanada being out

(01:31:54):
and Mina sub again, they had a really really great
opportunity for this ending and the emotional feel like knowing
how they are seeing Mina choked and beaten weather restraining
Tony and making her.

Speaker 5 (01:32:05):
Watch like my god, that was just so good.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
And then the men's was another chapter in the storyline
they've been telling where Kyle always has Max's number and
Mock somehow cheats out of it. The Babyfaces to finish
that have all of the Heels taken care of. Moxes
by himself, he can't get away from Kyle this time,
and then Kyle makes them tap like that was the
end of a story they built over several matches, and

(01:32:31):
it was just I couldn't be more pleased with how
well creatively they came up with the end of both
of those matches. It was just really, really really well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
You know what, though, I think that it gets lost
on this is the hang Man Addam Page match against
Powerhouse Hause because while the Blood and Guts matches were bloody,
the only way I could describe the hang Man Addam
Page and Powerhouse Hobbs match was thuddy. It was and

(01:33:00):
blood and guts. It was blood and thud. I mean,
there were just crashes.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
It was a perfect It was perfectly set up sandwich
between two bloody matches to have a brutal match. And look,
I have heard some people time. I have heard some
people saying things like all AW does is bloody matches. Well, no,
that's not all that AW does. And plus you have

(01:33:31):
to look at the name of the show. It's blood
and guts. What did you expect ballet?

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Yeah, I mean if you went into that show and
your response coming out of it there was too much
blood and violence, Well you know what I think you
should do?

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
I say it, brother, go ahead, it's yours God. Hell,
that's where I was going. Thank you for bringing it home.
It's serious, man. Some people. Look I said this last
week It just amazes me how people will talk about
stuff that they obviously don't watch.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
There's so much nudity in this porno that I put on.
It's like, well, what do you think? Yeah, I'm shot.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
There's so much blood on this TV show called Blood
and Nuts.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
Like, what are you going here?

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Guys?

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
You watched an a bit called blood and juts and
complain about blood and violence?

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Yeah, I like said, most of the people probably didn't
even watch. I saw some clips one tube on Twitter.
It was like, I don't know, I don't like this, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
It.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
It's like being mad about the Royal Wrong Wull because
entrance keep being entered into it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
It's like, that's rats, Like what are you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
You know what I am kind of curious about it
was there was a spot that was supposed to happen
at the beginning of the women's match. You could see
like the Sisters of sin and fishing around in the
turn buckles for something that was obviously supposed to to
be there, but wasn't. I guess whatever they hid must
have gotten like lost in the shuffle of setting up
the ring. That losing that spot did not diminish the

(01:35:09):
match at all, but I'm kind of curious of what
it was supposed to be, like a fork or what.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Yeah, you know, you want to go ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:35:19):
Oh, I was just gonna say. One of my favorite parts,
well two of them actually and the Men's Blood and
Guts was when they stapled Orange Cassidy's hands inside his jeans.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
I loved that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
That was that was the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
It was, Oh you can't you kind of have that
kind of match with on a stapler? I'm sorry?

Speaker 8 (01:35:45):
Yeah, absolutely, the a staple of a W and I
also like, what you're so silly? What we took away
from the women's match is that Tony Storm is on
a terror to get everyone, and she let it be

(01:36:06):
known that everybody's in trouble, and I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
What did you say? Don't ask God for mercy because
God's a.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
The Women's Blood and Guts match was one of those things.
I loved it because it was so brilliant, but I
also hated it because for Mina I was.

Speaker 14 (01:36:37):
I think the initial finish was having Chris in the
position Tony was in and stat getting beat or vice
versa before the Almanada injury and the.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
Penalop before it injury. Like I think that was still
the finish they were always going to do.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
But what if it was to be Willow getting beaten
up and they held stacked there.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
And she had I'm sorry, I may have misspoke, That's
what I was thinking, Yes, will like.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Because that would have been such a deal, but.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
He's did at the beginning where they had the moment.
But like, the reality is.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
They've been so split that that wouldn't have hit as
hard as Mina and Tony because that's current, Like we
see them together, we know that it's not this on again,
off again friendship that's kind of been a bline storyline,
Like Mina and Tony is a thing. So this opportunity
I think for wife, Yeah, it made this moment. I

(01:37:38):
don't think this moment would have had as much impact
with any other two women on the roster, which is
why it was so powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
You know what, It would have worked well if it
was Willow and stat but it just worked so much
better with Mina.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
And there was a word that you used, Barry that
I think says a lot about blood of guts, and
that word is impact at when blood and guts traditionally
has been earlier in the year, but this year. They
did it in November, very close to WWE's War Games.

(01:38:16):
And I don't know if you guys saw the interview
that Dolph Ziggler did with I can't remember who he
was talking to, but anyway, there is a video of dolftograph.
Yeah chrismathleet, Yeah, I think you're right. But anyway, he
was doing a whole thing about Blood and Guts and
it was clear and obvious he loved every second of it.

(01:38:43):
I mean, he gushed about this match, about the matches,
he gushed about the entire event. He really really had
a lot of good things to say about it. And
he went on to say talking about war games, and
he said, when it comes to war games, you're not
going to see anything like that. I mean, what AEW

(01:39:04):
did what with Blood and Guts being so close to wargames?
Was here the balls in your court. Now it's up
to uh WWE to say, hey, here hold my beer.
And I don't think they can do it because that's
just not who they are. The war games and ww
are not going to come off, you know, like like

(01:39:26):
Blood and Guts did. And the ratings were up for
Blood and Guts. Everything was everything was good, and WWE's
gotta I wouldn't be surprised if back, you know, in
the back rooms WWE and with TKO, that they're saying, hey,
you know, maybe we need to show some color in

(01:39:50):
this match.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
Yeah, that's a real subtle way to counterprogram. I didn't
even think of that, because, like, Tony's not going to
go ahead to head and challenge them in that regard,
but to do this the whole off this match, to
do it a couple of weeks, it's a real subtle
way to counterprogram MND and consider that Calson, it's a
good point.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
Yeah. Well, anyway, we are at the end of the show.
We've been going for almost an hour and forty five minutes.
This was a long show, but it was a fun show.
Thank you guys for coming and sharing tonight with us.
We will be doing a live chat tomorrow night on
the AAW fan Hub subreddit for AW Dynamite AW Collision

(01:40:29):
three hours. Don't forget that. There's also the what is
it the countdown show afterwards, So there's literally four hours
of AW programming starting at eight o'clock PM Eastern time
tomorrow night. So strap yourselves in. I personally am really
looking forward to AW Dynamite AW Collision because I think

(01:40:50):
even though it's a go home show, I think that
this has so much going for it. I mean, look
at the matches. Got the two women's semi finals or yeah,
you know you've got the number one and number two
uh not contender, but participate in mats for participation, match

(01:41:16):
for the casino uh Casino Gauntlet. You got so much
more things. And plus you never know what's gonna happen
with the Young Bucks. They got to make their decision
tomorrow night. You never know what's gonna happen with John Moxley,
Kyle Fletcher or John Moxley and the Death Riders at all.
I think Tomorrow Night's gonna be a really interesting story
of the live chat's gonna really be hopping. I think

(01:41:39):
there's gonna be a lot to talk about. Kenny Omega
is gonna be back. Uh, you just never know, Chris
Jericho may be back.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
Rumors they got me and Jean for the show.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Oh my gosh, that's disgusting. Oh wait though mildly angry,
gene so but anyway, yeah, yeah, there you go. Well, guys,
thanks for coming and talking with us tonight. I hope
everybody enjoyed listening to the show. We're here every wed
Tuesday night at eight forty five pm Eastern Time for Ignition.

(01:42:17):
This show was a little bit different and that it
was a blood and blood and guts got that on
my brain. Yeah, it was a full gear preview, a
prediction show. Normally, what we do on Ignition is talk
about some of the hot topics of AW and usually

(01:42:38):
there's those are really fun conversations, so be sure to
join us in the future for that. And of course
you could listen to this podcast. It'll be uploaded on Spotify, iHeartRadio,
Apple Podcasts, whichever podcast provider that you listen to. It'll
be available tomorrow morning. Of course, you can watch it
on x and you can watch it on Twitch. Just

(01:43:01):
follow a w fanhub on both of them, and of
course join the aw fan hub subreddit and the Everything
Pro Wrestling Hub discord. So until next week, good night, everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:43:17):
Good night. Eddie Kingston.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
I love Eddie Kingston.

Speaker 8 (01:43:24):
Everyone loves Eddie Kingston.

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