AEW Hot Topics | Battle Advantage

On tonight's episode of Ignition, the AEW Fan Hub podcast team focus on Blood & Guts, in particular the Battle Advantage matches that will take place this week on Dynamite and Collision. We also talk about what might be next for HOOK and Eddie Kingston. We talk about the Trios Championship, and how it needs a lot of work. We also share our thoughts about the Women's World Tag Team Tournament, and a lot more.

Keep in mind that you do not have to wait for us to post this podcast on Wednesday. You can join us LIVE on the AEW Fan Hub X and Twitch each Tuesday at 8:45 pm ET

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And nine.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Five four three two one zero, all engine running.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
Ignition with the aw fan Out podcast team. This is Kelson.
We are broadcasting Q Live tonight, as we do every
Tuesday night on X and Twitch. We have a lot
to talk about Tomorrow night in America, America. Hey, we
are in America. Is everybody here in America?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm in Ohio. That's kind of America.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
No, I don't, technically that's not America. But anyway, Tomorrow
night at a W Dynamite comes to us from Houston, Texas,
which is in America. And you know what announced earlier today,
Tony Kahn announced a blood and Guts Advantage Battle. Did
you guys hear about that?

Speaker 4 (01:12):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
This is interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Well, well here's the graphic and if you can look
at it, it takes place tomorrow night on Dynamite and
Saturday night on Collision. Now what it is is it
has two different battles, and it is of course somebody
is running water. That's weird. Basically, what it is is

(01:45):
it is tied into blood and guts. It's called the
Advantage Battle. Tomorrow night on Dynamite you'll have Orange Cassidy
versus Claudio Castignoli and Darby Allen facing Daniel Gardee. The
rules of this is is that whoever gets to two

(02:05):
wins first gets the advantage in the UH Blood and
Guts because you know that everybody in the Blood and
Guts match doesn't all come in at once. Now, on
the women's side, they're only having one match on Dynamite
Queen Amanada versus Megan Bain, and the other two matches

(02:27):
that you can see on the screen right now will
take place on UH on Collision. So anyway, what do
you guys think about this? Because I think this is
an interesting way to present Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
A clever idea, better wan to coin for it.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah, and better than just doing one match. I like
the idea, you know, like it's not just one versus
determined there.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Sorry, I think I'm the one that comes down.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
I don't, right, So, uh, well, let's talk about you know,
because this is important when it comes to Blood and Guts.
Of course, next week we'll have a more in depth
look at Blood and Guts, but since these are happening
tomorrow night. Uh, first of all, you have Orange Cassidy

(03:21):
versus Claudio casting Mioli. Uh, who do you guys see
winning this match?

Speaker 5 (03:33):
I'm gonna go with Claudia here, Wow, Claudio.

Speaker 6 (03:42):
Yeah, I think Claudio too. It's been a while since
the big.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Guys have been win I think, yeah. I mean I
actually thought it was gonna be Cassidy, but you guys
have kind of convinced me, you know.

Speaker 6 (03:59):
Are better. When the heels said the advantage, it's kind
of built in. It's not. It's just I don't know,
it's not as thrilling when the good guys said the advantage,
because you want to, you know, pull it off.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
So part of it is looking at the other matters.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
Yeah, Like because I don't think Daniel Garcia beats Darby Allen.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
And well, well we'll get to that one a matter
of fact. Let's uh, let's look at it. Uh, you've
got Darby Allen against Daniel Garcia. Uh, what do you
guys think about this match? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Darby, for sure, he's got too much momentum.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
And I mean he is really the catalyst for blood
and God behold, I mean he's the leader against the
deast Riders, So.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I don't see how he loses that match.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, Darby's gonna murder Danny. I'm sorry, it's gonna happen.
Murder is going to happen.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
I don't go murder him.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
He's not so jo Oh yeah, I wouldn't be shocked
if this is Garcia really really put in the screws
to Derby and then Darby pulling one of this crazy
not so finishes you know.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Where I mean, Darby just he just bumps so well
for everybody. He makes everybody look ridiculous. So I'd like
to see I think daniell put some screws to him
and then you know, Darby will turn around and pull
out the one.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Okay, so Danny would murders.

Speaker 6 (05:25):
With a fine murder. Jess like like, what what's he
gonna do to him? Like? What are you? What are
you looking for?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Can I have a little bit of sick of stuff?
I mean it's Dorby, It's it's practically required by law.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
So like a spike batter.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Something, you just give me some color. I want to
see Danny bust it open a little and Darby busted
open a little too. Just bust everybody open.

Speaker 6 (05:57):
Fire, just just bust it. They'll his hand raiser blades
out and they're just like blade appropriate.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, I think, Oh, I think about Darby Allen. It's
either he either bleeds out of his ear or he
bleeds out of his back. It's not like regular blading,
you know, a regular color. Yeah, yeah, Well if Daniel
Garcia has a fork, then maybe we'll we'll see some

(06:26):
color at least for Darby.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
Are these these are like these are straight up matches.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Right, I don't know they they didn't really come come
to that. But then on the women's side, uh, you
can see we've got tomorrow night is the only match
on the women's side is going to be Meghan Bain
versus Queen Amanada. Now who do you have in this match?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
And yep, Meghan?

Speaker 8 (06:59):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I have to say Megan Pain.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah. Well look here's the way I look at it,
and tell me, tell me what what you guys go?
Did you have something to add Barry?

Speaker 6 (07:14):
Yeah, I was just so. I think the Bane I
mean auto man, I agree with everybody. I think Ban's
gonna win because that's ther mast most sort of her
push right now. But the Amanada matchup, do you see
them trying to push her as more of a bigger,
a bigger body. I mean she's and I don't mean
that as as you know, like a jacked or anything

(07:34):
like that, but she's really tall. She looks like a
volleyball player. I think she pairs up real well with Bain,
and we know she can work stiff. You think that's
kind of how they're gonna position her in this match
and then like in her place going forward where she's
one of the heavier hitters, do you think they'll kind
of keep her in the in between those two pups,
like they've got her sitting now.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
I can kind of see uh, her being like seen
as a heavy hitter and someone who's gonna stack up
with like you know, a Bay or a oh you know,
even Willow or yeah, Niva Rose if she was there.
But like when she goes up against someone like Pay,
it'll be the heavy hitting, but it'll.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Be Fame's strength that.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Is am the hodest undoing, Like she's not gonna be
She can hang with them with the striking, but she
can't hang with that hour level.

Speaker 6 (08:26):
Yeah, that's kind of how I see it too, Like
like she's you don't she's not gonna be a pushover,
but she so she's in that that that category or that.
I don't know whatever the right term is, but yeah,
I agree with you. I think she won't be able
to compete on a power level story wise. But anyway,
sorry to go on to tangent there. I'm just curious
if anybody else was kind of seeing that too.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Kelsey, No, you know, no, that was a really good point.
I had a question about this. Of course, we're looking
at this uh advantage battle where each team is striving
to be the first to get two wins. Do you
see any way possible since the matches have already been announced,

(09:10):
do you see any way possible where on collision both
of these the men and the women's don't go to
one win each and have a deciding match on collision.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I think they have to.

Speaker 9 (09:27):
It seems I mean, if you look at the matches
on paper, seems kind of obvious who the winners are.
The Heels are definitely booked to have a big advantage.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Maybe they'll use that as.

Speaker 9 (09:36):
A surprise aspect and do some surprising booking, but yeah,
I would expect they're going to hold that third match
on both sides either way.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, I agree, these blood and guts war games, what
have you always better when the heels have the advantage.
It gives the faces something to overcome.

Speaker 9 (09:57):
Yeah, I can only think of a couple just from
nw A ont W c W to the NXT stuff
like and even with that whatever, that god forsaken thing,
or they used to lock people in the single the
single cage war games thing that TNA used to do.
I don't remember the name of it, but they they're
almost always heels, like eighty five percent of the time

(10:17):
heel advantage. It's just easier booking and that kind of thing.
Somebody's bleeding out the beginning, some faces bleeding all over
the place.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
You know, dramatically, you want to you want the odds
stacked against the baby faces because it just it's it
makes more sense narratively and dramatically, and it makes the
finish and the wind should they pull it off, just
a little more satisfying. So they come in with the advantage.
It's like, well, it's kind of anesthetical for two on

(10:45):
one for baby Faces. It's just not what they do.
So I'm with you. It just I don't know, it
just fits better to know the heels of the advantage
because it makes little more.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
The hero has to overcome the obstacles, the hero has
the advantage.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
It's boring. You know.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
If we we know that, oh, he's got all the advantages,
he he's in control, it just.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Becomes kind of like, Okay, good guys, gonna win. We
already knew that, But we want to see them overcome.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
We want to see him have to fight. We want
to see them struggle. If they don't struggle, it's boring.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
So let me ask you, guys, when we look at
these three matches on each side, do we think ultimately
that the Heels are going to have the advantage in
both the Men's and the women's Blood and God's match.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
I don't.

Speaker 9 (11:40):
I definitely don't think Moxley is losing that like he
I don't think there'd be a credible way to go
into that match where he loses that match against Frederick Strong.
Tecla could lose. I guess that can be an upset.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, I could see that. I personally, when I look
at this Cassidy casting Noley, I know everybody spoke about
casting Noley winning, I kind of don't think so. I
think Cassidy's gonna win it. Uh And I the only
reason I think that Cassidy is going to lose. Is

(12:19):
because Alan is definitely going to win against Garcia. Uh,
because Alan is the to me, he's the big star
on the Baby Bay side.

Speaker 9 (12:32):
Yeah, that could be it make could be interference finished
with any of the Death Riders stuff though.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Right, yeah, you're absolutely right. Now.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
The way see Allan losing is if worn Cassidy does
pull off the upset, it would make the Death Riders
kind of like, okay, we're down one and they just
attack him the ever loving ship out of Darby before
the match even starts. You know, Mosley brings out the four,
it's them all bloody, and you know he's beaten down

(13:04):
to Darby. Allen, being the crazy son of a bitch
he is, will be like, no, I can fight, I
can fight, and then he can't fight, Like he just
gets beat up by Garcia because he's already down at
like ten percent. And that way you get an upset
while keeping Darby strong and establishing that the Death Riders

(13:28):
are well, it's already been established, but they're eating piece
of the shit.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
It furthers that well, well, let's splip over to the
women's side. How do you see these three matches going personally,
I think Amnon is going to beat Bain, I really do.
But I think sky Blue is going to handle Jamie
Hayter because they've been kind of promoting sky Blue as
the hardcore woman in AW so this is going to

(13:59):
be her fortape. Blood and Guts is going to be
the center piece for sky Blue to show what she
can do. But I think Harley Cameron's going to be Tecla.
I think Harley Cameron's gonna handle hand Tecla her first loss.
Not saying it's going to be cleaned or whatnot, but
I think that the Baby Bass are going to come

(14:22):
out with an advantage in the women's Blood and Guts.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Well that's quite a call. I was gonna say that
Harley is gonna get eaten alive.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
You know, Harley gets an upset by pinning Mercedes Bonet
after Christah Landers distracts her in the tag team title
tournament match for Marrow, and I mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
You know, Kelson, I was, I wasn't thinking this way
until you mentioned it. I actually could. I think I
agree with you. I think maybe the Babyfaces do get
the advantage for this, And the main reason I say
that is just thinking back they've been the aggressors for
the whole Blood and Guts push the baby Faces half
like this is the first time when like the Babyfaces

(15:10):
were just not going to take crap from the Heels
and they went after them, they attacked them. They were
the aggressors calling out blood and Guts in this case. Narratively,
it makes sense for them to be aggressive here to
try to secure this advantage in a way it doesn't
necessarily for the men's team. That storyline seems a little
more reactive as opposed to the Babyfaces being proactive in this, because,

(15:33):
I mean, people have been calling this match for a
few months. They've done I think the women's a good
job building this, everybody ready for it. I did not
think about it, Yeah, and so I'm just thinking, like, like,
I think you're right, Kelson. I think the baby Faces
get the advantage of the women's match.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
You know that. That's a really good point, Barry. And
that kind of brings me to our next little discussion
topic because on Twitter and on Reddit specifically, I've seen
so many people, so many people saying that this blood

(16:13):
and Guts, specifically the women's blood and Guts was just
thrown together with no build up.

Speaker 9 (16:22):
It was literally six weeks of stuff. I was getting
tired of it.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
That's ridiculous. People don't watch the show.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, those.

Speaker 5 (16:33):
Morons who don't watch the show, repeating the same full
craft they always said, Oh there's stories, there's been a
build No, you just don't watch the show.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
You're a jack.

Speaker 9 (16:44):
I don't like that they took the kind of two
week break before, which, strangely, I mean, I guess they
were building the pay per view, which once again is
why I don't like Russell dreamon Dynasty on the calendar.
But beside that, yeah, I think there was nothing but this,
like this was the whole Limbs division for like six
weeks was building.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Up to this, right, So this brings me to something,
and I agree with what you guys are saying. Look,
people that say that the women's Blood and Guts have
has had no build up, clearly don't watch the show.
You cannot say that you know anything about aw if

(17:27):
you get all of your information from like minded trolls
on Reddit and x. Let me just put it that way.
This Blood and Guts for the women's side has had
build up for weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks
we have been talking about blood and guts for how

(17:49):
long ago did we first say, oh, it's going to
be blood and guts More to six weeks?

Speaker 6 (17:54):
Man, like we mentioned it on the show, like we've
been putting.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
It three four months. This been months. It's been months.
So to those people that have been complaining and spewing
nonsense that there has been no build up for the
women's blood and Guts, I have one thing to say

(18:19):
to you, shut the hell up, thank you.

Speaker 6 (18:26):
So hey, I do. The only person in this that
really kind of touches me and the women's is Mercedes
because she has not really factored into this huge a
whole lot at all. U just she has, like I
the five and five and then there's like one on
each team where I'm just like, really they were kind

(18:48):
of on the on the periphery, but go ahead.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
But Barry Mercedes has factored into this. I mean she
has been in she has been in multiple okay, so
she was in the Owen Hart, she was in multiple
tag teams and three way and four way whatever you
want to call the matches. Okay, she's been heavily involved

(19:11):
with Harley Cameron, right, She's I mean at that I mean, look,
the gluten holds this all together, frankly speaking, in the
blood and guts in the women's side is Harley Cameron.
I mean she's the down callous of the women's division
in a weird kind of way.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
Hey, if you if you were to look back at
this storyline, where do you where would you say it started?
If I'm looking at this, I would say, whether it
was on purpose or not, it was when bekelon Amanada
started killing each other and a few that ran justin
milches with no promos like that's where they started planting
seats for this.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yep, I agree, Okay, No, Look, I mean you could
go back many, many many moons. Remember when Mercedes Monette
first came into aw the first person that had a
class with her was Julia Hart, not will o' Nightingale.
Willow Nightmale became TBS champion, and of course Mercedes Monet

(20:14):
did that to beat Willow Nightingale to win the TBS
championship when it was quite obvious to me that it
was supposed to be Julia Hart. But Julia Hart got
that shoulder injury. Then you can go back to Harley Cameron.
As I pointed out earlier, I mean, she's had her
finger in every pie point. That was not a very

(20:34):
very good example. But you know what I'm saying. I mean,
actually that's a joke. That is the yeah, and get
get somebody like will o' Nightguel, Chris Statlander, Mercedes Monette,
who she's all had strong interactions with. Have them give

(20:56):
a like disapproving glance or throw their hands up in
the air or whatever. You know what I'm saying. But then,
of course Harley Cameron has a problem with Megan Bain
for breaking her face. I mean, when you look if
you take each of these women individually and look how
they're intertwined, there's a lot of intertwined intertwining there. Tekla

(21:21):
attacked Jamie Hayter. Who else to attacked Jamie Hayter, Julia Hart.
This was months and months ago. I mean to be
honest with you, when you look at this whole thing,
for me, when you look at the entire things, of course,
Marina Shappier is a little bit out there, but it

(21:43):
wasn't supposed to be. Marina Shipper was supposed to be.
Penelope boorn Right sky Blue is the only one that
really doesn't have a whole heck of a lot of
angst with anybody, you know what I'm saying. I mean,
she's been involved, but she's not really like who was
Sky Blues, you know, vote in all this, you know,

(22:06):
Queen Aminada maybe her a little bit.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
Yeah, Yeah, Well, I think part of the problem with
Sky is they just really haven't fleshed her out. Probably
she doesn't talk, you know, at least Julia talks a
little bit. But that's one of the things that's actually
kind of bugged me about their tag team is they
just kind of look like the Evil Doll Sisters.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Yes, Julia used to.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
Have a little more personality, and Beckla has just kind
of been the charisma black hole in that group because
she's the front person. Yeah, and I feel like Sky
kind of gets lost in the shuffle. But coming back
to something you brought up earlier, Keelson, we were talking
about the matches. I agree that Scott. I think Sky
is really going to come out of Blood and Guts

(22:48):
looking great. I think they're going to give her a
lot of really cool stuff. I don't remember what interview
or somebody, but she had mentioned how she likes doing
matches like this and wants to do things like that,
and so seeing her tweet about being super excited or
whatever it was, I think you're spot on, Kelson. I
think this is gonna be It's gonna be a pretty
good showcase for Sky and I'm hoping that she comes

(23:09):
out of it. She's she's gonna build a little more
momentum and get get a little more work and support.

Speaker 9 (23:15):
Yeah, I would agree she's Her performances have been pretty
spotty since coming back from injury. She's looked better recently,
so I hope she's got a good anchor now and
is ready to kind of get back to where she
was because she was definitely kind of one of the
standout mid card people, or it seemed to be headed
that way for a long time.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Before she broke her legs for then.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
Yeah, and she works like Kel's. I think I remember
you seeing a stat like or maybe it was Shane
back in the day, the number of matches she had
across twenty twenty twenty thirteen, I think she had the
most matches of anybody on the roster, not just ew
but just total.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, that was me. She actually she actually had I
believe it was twenty twenty three, she had more matches
than anyone in AWE. Yeah, I mean, I mean this
was the year that you know, Orange Cassidy was, you know,

(24:13):
defending you know, every other day, and yet sky Blue
had more matches than Orange Cassidy. Before we move on,
because I don't want to spend an hour talking about
blood and guts, but it is, it's just got so
much moving pieces to it. We just talked about the

(24:33):
women's blood and guts, but you know how people are
saying that there's no build to it, which again I
think it's preposterous that people saying that the men's blood
and guts. I could kind of get it if you argue.
Somebody argued saying this was just thrown together at least

(24:55):
a little bit more than than the than the women's was.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
An immense snaps ahead.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, I know, I agree. I agree.

Speaker 9 (25:02):
I don't think they should have done it either. I
think it is a mistake to do it. But that
being said, it makes sense. But I don't think I
think like when people talk about like all the build
for the women's divisions bad, I think it's just kind
of the typical sort of I think they're used that
WWE type of storytelling where you just receive a story

(25:24):
and here it is over like a pay per view cycle,
whereas this has felt like a thing that's gone on
for kind of more than a year and sort of
has been background radiation of violence going on with the
women's division.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
I don't think that.

Speaker 9 (25:35):
I mean, obviously everybody hates the Death Writers, so it
makes sense that this group would get together and want
to fight them. But I do agree, like there's it
just seems kind of crazy like that.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
It feels more like the previous.

Speaker 9 (25:47):
Blood and Guts matches, especially the second one, where it
was also a similar situation where they just kind of
announced it one day. It was like, oh, that time
of year to do Blood and Guts. Here's the Inner
Circle versus somebody else.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that again, I don't know anybody
who can say that they haven't been building this for
the women and it was a shock. It's it's the
men that it just clearly the Death Writers that you
can always plug into this kind of match because there's
five of them, but like the conglomeration in their feud
with them, and the also ron Sta've added in, it's

(26:20):
just like it's like the mid card All Stars versus
Death Writers. And I think having this match on the
show takes away from the women's match. I think that
should have been the focal point. I think two on
a show makes it feel less special, and I just
don't think it was needed. I even put the women
You've been booking towards this for a couple of months.
Give them the shot. Let them shine, man.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, I do think that the women are gonna shine.
And I do agree, you know, with your statement about
the mid card all Stars. I really do.

Speaker 10 (26:51):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
I'm gonna say something surprising because you know, I will
talk about this Blood of Guts when it's final lot,
and we'll talk about it on Ignition next week for sure,
with our predictions and whatnot. But what I would like
to see, and you know that I'm not the biggest
fan of the Death Writers, but in this instance, I

(27:15):
want to see the Death Writers beat the living crap
out of the Conglomeration. I am so sick. I am
so sick of the conglomeration they have other than Orange Cassidy.
I mean, Darby Allen really isn't in the end of conglomeration.
But I am not a fan of Mark Briscoe. I mean,

(27:37):
I'm not saying I don't like him. I'm just saying
he's not He's not a pay per view guy to me,
nor is Robert Strong, nor is Kyle O'Reilly. I'm sorry.
They are mid card all stars. As Barry put.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
It, do you just not like Sorry, well, I said,
you just not like things that bring me joy.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, you're right. I've been I've been stealing your diary
and reading it at night so I can see what
you like and what you don't like, so that I
can totally go against you.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
I uh again, I think the women should be the
main event, and I want to be really special. It's like,
I think this is a very special match, just like
the Britt Baker thunder Rosa match back in the day,
was it meant something. I think this this could be
one of those matches. And having the men's match on

(28:40):
first No One brisk goes out there and he bleeds
buckets and mocks out there and he bleeds buckets. I
just I think it's going to take away and and
I think, especially with those two out there, I think
it's a mistake.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, the main event, and I don't no, no,
I agree with you. It should be the I'm looking
forward to the women's blood and guts much more than
the man's blood and guts. To me is this is
just another.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
Match that's the one that feels thrown together.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
It really does, you know. And I gotta say this
over on the Women's Pro Wrestling subreddit, there was a
mental giant and there's only that's the only way I
can described his numb nut was saying that there's no
reason to have a women's blood and guts because women
should not be bleeding. And he kept giving examples, he

(29:37):
kept giving, he kept giving examples about from the Divas
era in w W, and I'm like, I'm like, first
of all, the Divas era WWE was pretty much but
I'm just gonna say it, it's an ass embarrassment.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Okay, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Right, exactly. But the thing I couldn't get through to
his head is this topic that we're talking about is
about the ae W women's blood and guts.

Speaker 10 (30:16):
Bringing up w W, E, t NA, Stardom, t j
p W, DeFi, Pro Wrestling, whatever, has absolutely nothing to.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Do with the a W women's blood and guts.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Well, just a ducky to know that sexism is still
alive and well in the wrestling community.

Speaker 8 (30:40):
I mean, I am absolutely shocked.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
I mean, look, I'm not gonna lie to you. Okay,
there are women's in this There are women in this
blood and guts match. There are women in this blood
and guts guts match that I personally find extremely attractive. Okay,

(31:04):
And that is not even the first thing that I
think about. Are a second or the third thing that
I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about story, I'm thinking about
their wrestling ability. I'm not gonna hold someone's attractiveness against them.
I want to see them beat the crap out of
each other, and blood and guts that's what I want
to see.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
I mean, my god, it's like complaining about the single
or the attire that track and field athletes where I mean, yeah,
most of the women are smoke shows because they're elite
athletes and they have physiques' chiseled other marbles, and the
fellows look like gods as well. Like that's just the
sport man. That's when you have elite athletes physically, they're

(31:48):
likely going to be pretty freaking attractive, you know, and
they're all in the twenties and said exactly with professional makeups.
So yeah, I mean, that's just the icing on the cake,
as seeing it's like a great stunt show with really
hot people in there. So this is.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
This isn't just something Barry that is you know, exclusive
to AEW or professional wrestling. I know a lot of
people that like professional football teams because the quarterback is cute.
I mean, if you watch Track and Field like those people,
you know, come on, yeah, I know I agree with you. Well, look,

(32:27):
you know, we've been talking about this for a half hour.
I think it's time to move on because we're going
to talk about blood and guts next Tuesday night. But
I think what we've got to talk about is is
the Ops. Uh got a trio's match tomorrow night on

(32:50):
Dynamite and it's going to be hook Eddie Kingston and Hangman,
Tony Shavanni, Adam Page what. I don't know who to
call them anymore against the Ops, it's just hang your
dressed up as well. Did you see did you see

(33:14):
the match card edit I made where I replaced uh yeah,
you know, Hangman's Hangman's face with uh.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
Yeah, And I was like, oh my god, oh my god,
so good.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Well here's the thing. Okay, So this is a non
title match. Uh, the ops are I think there's still
the Look, the Trios Championship is so insignificant, I don't
know who to held it. The ops still the Trios
champions Yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:49):
Just divisions so much different.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
I would too, but I would start with I would
start and end it with the trash can get rid
of the Trios Championships?

Speaker 6 (34:00):
So so, like, I know people complained about the six
and the a man matches. I love them. I think
a good party match on a show is great, and
I think the Trio's Belts should be the party match title.
It totally explains why there's six mans each week. I
think they should be defended on TV. I think that
should be one of the rules every TV, you know
or whatever. But like just put it in that division

(34:22):
and then there you go, Like the Trio's division should
be where everybody who doesn't have a storyline can go
throw some people together, let them put on some party matches,
and guess what when you got a program for one
or two of them, they drop the belts and then
put it.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
On somebody else.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
I mean, you're having the matches anyways.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, well, well look can't I just want to ask
everybody do you guys agree with me when I say
that the Trios Championship needs to be fixed.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I think Barry's idea is a great one.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Actually no, yeah, but we've been saying this for since
the inception of the Trios Championships. I mean, what was
the Seriously, when was the last time that there was
a good Trios feud? I would say the last that's good.

(35:29):
I would go past that. I would go to all
in the first, all in. What was that twenty twenty
three at Wembley Stadium we had the Acclaim versus the
House of Black. I think they had a pretty good feud.
I think there was another team in there.

Speaker 11 (35:45):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
The patriarchy was in that? I think? I'm not sure?
But anyway, since that match, the Trios Championships has been meaningless,
completely and utterly meaningless.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I'm sorry that you know where I think it went downhill.
I think it went downhill with as much as I
love these guys, I should preface that, but it went
downhill with a Bang Bang Gang when they were like
unceremoniously stripped of the trio's titles for god only knows
what reason, and it's just sort of been out of

(36:19):
whack ever since, I think, well.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
I agree start yah, I think you're right, Jess like that.
At that point that it felt like they were trying
to build it back, and then I think Jay got
hurt and they had to strip it the first time
or something. I don't remember exactly what happened, but but yeah,
that's the last time they had any sort of momentum.
And I just I just think there isn't a wrong man.
If you're if you're not going to have a division

(36:44):
and you're not going to have him defended on a
regular basis, just combine it with the Ring of Honor
title and then they can just go whenever you need it.
You know, you don't need both six man tag titles
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Well, the Ops did defend what was it about two
week ago? They had the defense they've they've yeah, they
had three defenses in the last six months before that.
Here's the problem. Here's my problem. And I don't know
if you guys agree with this, but this is my
problem with having trios belts. It's totally reliant on there

(37:21):
being trio's teams to have trios feuds with too many
times it's a tag team plus one that's going for
the Trios champions. There are no trios teams. The only
trio's team out there right now that I could think
of off the top of my head is the Ops
and possibly the Bang Bang Gang, which they've had one

(37:41):
match together. Okay. The second thing is is that when
you have three on three, the more men or women
you have. But since there are no women's trios champions,
just something to speak specifically about the men. When you
have three on each side, that's six rustlers. If somebody
gets sick or has, you know, God forbid an injury

(38:04):
or something like that, it throws the whole thing out
of whack. And how many times have we seen that?
How many times have we seen the Trios Championships be
thrown out of whack because of an injury? Are we
going to vacate the title or are we going to
just you know, do a free bird it or whatever
you want to call it. You know, that's the way

(38:25):
it is.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
I think that's why they need to book the entire
division differently. I think you're right, Nelson, like, if if
you have belts, you have to focus on on a
division for it. Otherwise they're just window dressing. They don't
mean anything, and they make the other belt seem less important.
So you can you can book the trios titles however

(38:49):
you want, but you have to book a division. You
can maybe make it the division where the young you know,
all of your younger talent you're developing from Ring of
Honor and you want to get them a push. All right, Well,
get some young guys you're trying to figure out if
one of them's got something, and get him on TV
and get him a few wins, and get him a
win at a pay per view for the Belts and
see where it goes. And if it's not working, then
have him dropped to somebody else. Like that's why the

(39:10):
party match division works. Just do something. It doesn't need
to be featured. But if you're not going to run
a division, like you said, Kelson, then the Belts should
not be in the promotion or not on TV because
they don't need anything.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Right, Well, going against as I said, going against the
Ops tomorrow night in a non title match is going
to be hook Eddie Kingston and Hangman Tony Jo body Page.
Now let's look at these guys, and we don't have
to really talk about hang Man. We know who hang
man is, at least we did until you know Dynamite

(39:44):
and I have no idea who hangman is. But Hook,
what in the hell are we doing with Hook? Seriously,
what's going on with Hook? It seems like there's so
much start and stop with this guy, so.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Go for it.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Hook actually has a good, very good reason to be here.
Hook was unceremoniously ousted from the ops when he got injured,
and he feels he was replaced by Hobbes and basically Joe.
When you confronted Joe about it, Joe pretty much said, yeah,
you're right, we weren't gonna wait on you. And he
has a chip on his shoulder about that. So there

(40:27):
you go.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Okay, fair enough, but okay, So I'd like to hear
where we think we're going with Hook right now. It
seems like he's buddy buddy with mister Kingston. And is
this partnership a long term thing or is this just

(40:54):
a you know, another flash in the pan thing for Hook.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
I'm hoping they stay together for a bit. And the
reason is kind of in line with some of the
stuff that frustrates you about Eddie and some other folks.
You know, he's getting on in age and he can't
go weekly he's coming off injury. But the guy can talk,
and he can cut a promo, and he's He's an

(41:23):
interesting character on television. I'm interested to watch. I like
him as a wrestler, but I'm interested in Eddie Kingston.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
As a character.

Speaker 6 (41:32):
Hook is he has zero charisma. In the ring, he
moves around. I like his moveset I like his style.
But outside of the ring, he has not figured that
out yet, and so having himpaired with Eddie for a
while can really help develop his character. He needs to
talk a little more. He doesn't need to talk a lot,
but he's got to figure it out because right now,

(41:52):
when he talks, he just sounds like generic wrestler. There's
no personality behind his voice. Hoping keeping him with Eddie
for a while will help develop that.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Barry, let me ask you a specific question. Do you
feel that when because I've noticed that Hook has been
talking a heck a lot more since he's been partnered
with Eddie, would you say that Hook talking and Eddie
not talking is bad for Eddie.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
Cook talking Eddie not talking bad for Eddie.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Howe, because talking is Eddie's strength, because it's certainly not wrestling.
Talking is Eddi's strength. If you take the strength out
of somebody, it's like cutting goliaths hare not whatever Samson's hair.

Speaker 6 (42:39):
No, I'm not worried about Eddie being able to get
back over with the first time he had him a mic.
If he's losing any heat in this case, it's there's
a finite amount of television time and they really want
to develop Hook. They re signed him. He's young. You
can see they're really focusing on that young core guys
in their mid to late twenties and early thirties the future.

(43:01):
They need him to figure this out. So him being
with Eddie, if Eddie needs to talk, they'll talk. I'm
not worried about that. They know how to handle that.
I'm just hoping he really he really helps Hook figure
out his character a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
I want to go to Nett. What are your thoughts
about this?

Speaker 11 (43:18):
I like Hook, I think he does need a little
guidance and development. And I think if Eddie were to
stop wrestling, I think that he would be a good
manager and mentor for Hook. And I'm kind of thinking
that that is the direction they are actually heading towards,

(43:38):
and just trying to do it very slow, very easy,
to give Hook time to develop and have his own
voice and get those of us that like Eddie Kingston
used to the idea of not seeing him in the
ring all the time. So I think they're a good
matchup together. I think they have a lot of potential

(44:01):
and this can set Eddie up for the future.

Speaker 8 (44:05):
After Hook goes kind.

Speaker 11 (44:07):
Of out into the world and does his own thing,
someone else can come along that needs a voice, needs
some refinement, and there's Eddie.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Well, let me ask you a specific question here, Nett,
and I'd like to get Jess's thoughts on this too,
because I know that Nett and Jess are both big
Eddie Kingston fans, and this is not notice and this
is not meant to belittle.

Speaker 8 (44:34):
That at all.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
All Right, So, now with the Hook and Eddie's partnership,
where do you specifically see I mean, I know, Nett,
you just said when Hook goes off on his own whatnot,
But what about before that? What do you see? What
would you like to see Hook and Eddie accomplish as

(44:57):
a team.

Speaker 11 (45:01):
I'd like to see them get a little a little
revenge on a couple of people that have wronged each
of them. I would like to see Hook get a
hand up on Samoa Joe and on Hobbs.

Speaker 8 (45:18):
Eddie versus the.

Speaker 11 (45:20):
Entire roster, because at some point or another, everyone has
pissed him off. So I would like to see them
just kind of have a little you know, jumping people backstage,
you know, harassing people in their dressing room, making people
afraid of them a bit looking over their shoulder.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Okay, let's go ahead.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I am going to get crucified for this by some
people just for suggesting this, But even if just for
a little short while, why not Eddie and Hook is
your tag team champions?

Speaker 4 (46:02):
No?

Speaker 3 (46:03):
No, I mean you're you're lucky. You're lucky that I've
already used to shut the hell up. Yeah, somebody, No, Seriously.

Speaker 12 (46:24):
When you look at Bandido, when you look at Bandido
and Brody, you're looking at somebody.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
You're looking at a team with a lot of charisma
and a lot of talent and a lot of experience.
I mean, Bandino's got a lot of experience and Brody
King's got a lot of experience too, not as much
as Bandido, but he's a different element. Hook and Hook
is a charisma vacuum and Eddie can't rustle. Why would

(46:54):
you put them in that position? That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, I guess from your point of view. I mean,
if you put them together, they're one whole wrestler, They're.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
A whole something.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
They do it with everyone else.

Speaker 11 (47:13):
I mean there there are worse people who have somehow
managed to become champions or on TV every week and
you're absolutely sick.

Speaker 8 (47:22):
And tired of seeing them.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
No.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Look, look, okay, there no one in a e W.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
I can give you a dozen people.

Speaker 8 (47:36):
Yeah, there's a bunch of people.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Where there are not a dozen people at a w
worse than kitten. There you go and you want to
know something, and after the go go is not.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
After your go go is not on TV, because that's
what happens.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Look, I would want.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
Any of go go masses before I would choose to
plus one Eddie Kingstone.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
This is this is strictly bad.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Let me let me put something. I want to address something.
I believe that Nets said when you said something eluding
like it's been done before, right, Yeah, that dries me insane.
It's been done before. Just because it was done before
doesn't mean that it was worth the crap. You know,
you keep exactly They're not doing it anymore. They put

(48:34):
the belts, they put the belts on. Look, I'm just
gonna come out and say it. When it comes to
the AW Tag Team Champions, I'm enjoying Brodido probably more
than I've enjoyed anyone that's held the Tag Team Champions
in the last year and a half, two.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Years they fresh.

Speaker 9 (48:53):
Yeah, I feel like they freshened up the division in
the way that Swerve and.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
I do love me some Brodido. Okay, what if they
do win, but just make a really good college try
out of it?

Speaker 6 (49:02):
Can I have that?

Speaker 8 (49:05):
I need another match match serious contend.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
Brody is cheering on Bandido from like in that pain
never give up, you could do it, and like, I
just I don't know what it was about that match,
that whole thing, but I just loved that so much.
It was just such a it was such an interesting
thing that introduced to Brody Lee's or not Brodie Brody

(49:30):
King's character that I think too many people overlooked because
for most of his tenure it was just like brooding
heel and then he started getting popular and like you
got the baby face stuff. But like that was just
a neat little element because we want to feel like
he's a good dude, and when he did that, we're like, yeah,
I knew he was a good dude, and it just
was so satisfying in that match. So I'm sorry I

(49:51):
didn't have a chance to talk about that on a
previous show, but I just really wanted to say how
much I appreciated that aspect of that tag title match.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Not problem. Yeah, So this match tomorrow night is a
filler match to me because the and it wouldn't be
if the championships were if the belts were being defended.
But it doesn't make any sense. This is one of

(50:21):
those matches where you look at it and you say, gosh,
I hope nobody gets injured before the pay per view.
That's the only good thing that can come out of
this match to me. Sorry, no, no, no, I don't
wish anybody to get injured. I just you know, I

(50:41):
want to see good wrestling.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
I do.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
I want to see good wrestling, and I want to
see good Not every match has to be a title match.
That's not what I'm saying, but you know, it's got
to mean something, And I'm sorry this match just doesn't
mean anything. It's just a It's a filler match, it
really is.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
I forgot to last year.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
I don't want to.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
I don't like them, I don't want to see them.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Now there is a meaningful match on Dynamite, and that's
Mercedes Monet teaming up with Athena taking on Harley Cameron
and Willow Nightingale in the quarterfinals of the AW Women's
Tag Team champions Championship Tournament. Who do you have winning

(51:36):
this match?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I think Athena and Mercedes. But this tag team is
going to implode before the end of the tournament, you
mark my words. These there are two very big egos
and they cannot co exist for long.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
No, there's too many cooks in the ring. I agree
with you.

Speaker 13 (51:57):
There anybody else have any opigon on this? You know,
I have said the Mercedes. Now I'm thinking maybe Harley
and Willow get the upset.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
You know.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
I could see Chris Statlander, you know, causing a distraction,
helping out Harley Willow to help build the title mask
for Full Gear even more, and you know it, it
gives Athene Mercedes an easy out, you know, and there

(52:33):
can be tension between them for.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
The future. Rivalry. That's gotta happen, you know it.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
That's gotta.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Thinking about it now, it makes more. It actually makes
sense to have Harley and Willow get the upset with
stat Lander kind of causing a distraction, and you can
you can do more with them winning.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
So who eats the pin? And then who's the one
getting the pin? I'm interested to hear what you guys think.
I have an idea of how they could book this,
but I want to hear who you guys think who
gets pinned and who's the one that gets the gives
the pin.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
I'm going to say that Mercedes Monette gets pinned and
Harley Cameron gets the pin.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I think it's going to be either that.

Speaker 8 (53:29):
Or the in rooms.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, I agree with that.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Yeah, I think Harley needs to get the pin because
if they're going to run this program again with the
two of them, hey, I would be fast. I just
want to be clear. I would be fascinated to see
these two characters paired up, just hating each other, but
just being ridiculously talented so nobody can stop them. I
think that would be a fascinating story. But that's not

(53:54):
the way they're going. I don't think Harley getting the
pin here works perfectly to set up a feud between
these two because it's Harley right, as lovable as she is,
she sucks. It's Harley Cameron.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
It's part of her character.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
She's the one that in the ring when she screws up,
we literally hear her say out loud shit, you know,
Like that's part of her character. So whoever gets pinned
being livid at the other, not that she just got pinned,
but she was pinned by Harley Cameron. I just think
that that imagery, they're perfect, right, Like she's she's a
gag character. That's why she's great, because that's why she's

(54:32):
so good. And like you can use getting pinned by
Harley Cameron to completely launch a feud between two people,
and I hope that's the way they go. And I
think it's brilliant because she can rub it in their faces.
Oh yeah, well, you know, like I'm a meme. I'm
a meme wrestler or a gag character and I got
the win on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Yeah. If for those of you that are not watching
the podcast and are listening to it, I put up
an image of Harley Cameron will Nightingale. Uh, that was
taken last week and Harley Cameron looks like she's getting
her face blown off by a gun or something. I mean,
her her mouth is just completely you know, askew. I

(55:14):
guess it's the best way of putting it, but it's
a real picture. I just think it was funny. It's
certainly got Bury what he saw it.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
It was just like I was getting on it just
because she's like people don't appreciate how good she is comedically,
like her timing, little thing she does. Nope, nope, sorry,
I'm yelling at my dog. She's just her character work
is I would argue, given time, it could be on
par with Tony Storm's character work. Like her, she is

(55:46):
so good. She's I mean, she'll get there in the ring,
but like character wise, she's.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
So good, and she's so good at so much stuff too, Like.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
She's just everything.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Yeah, very talented woman, Like it's ridiculous if only she
was more attractive. Yeah, that's her. That's her problem.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
It is unfair.

Speaker 5 (56:13):
That talented and that she.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Speaks like beautiful. She was a former fitness model. She
speaks Chinese, she can play the guitar, she sings, she's
a ventriloquist. She acts, and then one day she's like,
I'm gonna ad pro wrestling to that with like it's
it's ridiculous, it really is.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I mean, I'm a big Harley fan and uh and
I wouldn't even know the thing. You know what's great
about Harley? And I mean this sincerely. I could listen
to her on the radio, no visuals whatsoever and enjoyed
the hell out of it because.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
She's just ter quick, like yeah, like the charisma. It's
there's just some people you're like, how is this a
real person? Like they're clearly cheating on their D and
D stat sheets. They should not have these stats, like
that's against the rules. But they'll come along and just
enjoy what they bring to the table, you know.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
And I'm gonna be I'm gonna now we talked Harley Cameron. Yes,
she's hot, beautiful, whatever, right, but I gotta say it
right now, And I will say this even though it's
probably inappropriate for the show, But I'm gonna say it.
Will O Nightingale may just be the prettiest woman in
a w period right there. Somebody I don't know will

(57:40):
no no, I mean no, I mean is the prettiest
woman in a w But.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
But the women, I don't vault you for your opinions.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
A men and women's rusters and some attractive folks on
them for sure.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Yeah, well that's one of the things about professional wrestling.
I mean, attractive people are in professional wrestling, and they
they're attractive, they're handsome, they're pretty, they obviously take care
of their bodies, and they're very athletic. So I mean
there are sometimes when I look at some of these
matches that these men and women perform in and I'm like,

(58:25):
in my prime, when I was an athlete, I'm like,
I would have fallen over ten minutes in the match
that they're going thirty minutes on. I did want to
bring up one other thing specifically about Mercedes Monet. There
was a lot of speculation that possibly Mercedes Monet would

(58:46):
be going to Wrestle Kingdom twenty to defend somewhat of
her belts whatever, possibly against you know, Saya Kamatani, who
as the JPW Strong Women's Championship or Shuri who has

(59:06):
the IWGP Women's World Championship. Well that's not going to
happen because on January fourth, at Russell Kingdom twenty, Saya
Kamatani will be facing Shuri in a title versus title match.
This card for Russell Kingdom twenty is really stacking up.

(59:29):
There's two important things about this card. Well more than that,
but it's obviously it's tana Hashi's swan song. We still
don't know who Tanahashi is going to face. I don't believe.
The second thing is is that it's going to be
on TV, which is huge for Japan. This has already

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sold nearly thirty two thousand tickets already for something that's
happening in January fourth. That's amazing. New Japan has been
struggling because their talent is aging out that they're going
to other places. I am so thrilled that this is
going to be a success and it is definitely something

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that I'm looking forward to seeing. So let's move on
this guy MJF. He just finished, uh finished, well wrapped

(01:00:44):
filming a movie. I don't know about any reshoots that
he's doing. He's probably going to be back soon. I'm
probably going to be leaving soon to go to film
another movie because he's got the acting bug. But let's
not forget that he still has that contract that he
can execute. Do we see coming back?

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Maybe for full gear?

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Yes, Okay, may I have a moment to present a
fantasy booking.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Sure, if you can fantasize all you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Want, I'll fantasize about MJF all day long. Goad you
guy's pretty just ask me. But anyhow, this is how
I imagine it's going to go down, with some amendments
to how I originally posted it last night on the

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UH discord.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
During the title match, which is going to be, of course,
Joe versus hang Man again. That's why I think this
is another big reason I think this is gonna happen,
because we're getting the same match twice in a row.
At some point during the climax of the match, the
lights are going to go out, the lights are gonna
come back on, and we see MJF beating the Absolutionola

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out of Hangar.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
This.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Of course, we'll give Joe the match, but not the
title because Champions of Advantage title doesn't change hands on
a DQ.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Everybody knows that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
But that does lead to a very angry Joe, who
I imagine will want to have some choice words with
MJF the next night. MJF and Joe actually do have history,
especially given World's End. World's End was not a good

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pay per view a few years ago for MJF, partially
because of Joe. So that will give us our World's
End match and then Revolution. I believe MJF will cash
into his contract for his rematch against Oh Hang Man.
I think maybe he might try it for Worlds In,

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but then like Joe will come out and interrupt him.
But uh yeah, that's I think that that's my uh
guess on how it's probably going to go down, all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Right, anybody else with any thoughts about what's gonna happen
with MGF?

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
I mean I like that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
So on the contract he can't cash It's not like
a money in the bank, Like don't they have to
do twenty four hours or something? Didn't they change there?

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
No, they have to do they have to do seven days, So.

Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
He can't cash in. So so that scenario is out,
Oh not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I was gonna say he was going to cash in
for the pay per view, so like if he if so,
if like full gear happens, that's when MJF comes back
the next the next uh dynamite, He says, he's going
to cash in for World's end and then he winds
up cashing in for a revolution instead.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
I wouldn't be opposed to to MGF being the one
to take the belt off Hangar either. They've been setting
that up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
I think the way they've done this was to buy
some time. I think they needed to let this breathe
for a bit. Having them go again too soon and
it just didn't make a lot of sense. So I'm
not opposed to that. I'd be fine with him having
another run. It would kind of inject some fresh juice
kind of into the main event seen anyways, and it
keeps that belt moon between those young guys, those you know,

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new pillars, so to speak of a w And I
think it's time that we have another two time champ too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Peck well in fantasizing he could even win the belt
do surprise interference from his returning and reconciled bro Chacho.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Adam Cole.

Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
Twist better than you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
I would. I would love to see Adam Cole and
MGF together is a babyfaced team again, Yeah, I really would. Yeah. Well,
I know that Adam Coole is a big fan of
AW fan ofs ignition, So we're thinking about you, buddy.

(01:05:21):
And I said that totally tongue in cheek if you
guys did, because I heard people go I can read
minds sometimes, like you hear go, what the hell is
this guy talking about? Shut the hell up? Yeah, So

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let's move on to our last topic, and this one,
Oh boy, I don't know. Uh, look a w is
Probably it's kind of weird where where AW is priced
family friendly, but the product itself isn't as family friend

(01:06:08):
friendly as WWE. Now understand, what I'm going to say
about WWE is really me saying something about t k O,
not WWE, because I honestly believe that WWE itself does
not have any kind of strength or it's not there doing.

(01:06:28):
What I'm talking about, of course, is where AW has
family friendly pricing on a you know, you can argue
with a lot of the stuff that AW does is
not family friendly. We've talked about this before, but hey,
that's why it has parental guidance on the TV. Right. Meanwhile,

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TKO prices for you know, to basically send everybody into
foreclosure for a show that that is a lot more
family friendly than AW is. Uh, how can AW take
advantage of this, I mean, should they become more family friendly?

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
What did?

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
What does AW need to do to secure you know,
some of that market share?

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
Better promotion of their day. I don't think the product
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
But I okay, wait, hold on every bookay, so everybody
can't talk at once, so take turns. Can you hear me? Yep?

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Okay? The uh yeah, the uh.

Speaker 9 (01:07:42):
The island stuff is not every week, right, It's not
every every week somebody's drinking somebody's blood out of their
head on TV. I would like to see them tone
down the language. Frankly, I honestly am like I've had
enough of the people doing the shut de f up
chance to don callous, like four times in an episode.
It's it's lane, like it really is lame. I would

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like to see them maybe clean up language a little bit.
I don't think it would hurt the show was, but
it that way, I don't. I'm not so worried about
the violent stuff like it's I mean, that's what wrestling
was for, you know, basically since inn WA until WWE
PG era took over.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
So all right in.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
Regards to the language stuff, I've been to multiple AW
shows and on quite a few of those I've ended
up sitting by, you know, parents who had their kids
with them, And the thing I noticed is always like,
you know, when the Cowboys shit chance started, the kid
really wanted to chant it. The parents would like, you

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can chant it here. Remember you can't say that at school.
I just it feels like a w fans are more
intelligent about that stuff. They realize this is a show.
I can allow my kids to have fun at the
show while teaching them. You can't do that everywhere. So

(01:09:11):
I don't think the language is that big of a
deal in regards to that. No, obviously that's not every parent.
You know, there are going to be some kids who
repeat that at school, but okay, that shit happens. I
don't think they need to change anything other than really
promoting the shows, finding ways to be like, hey, we're

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gonna be here in a month. You know, this is
what you can see.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Our prices are good.

Speaker 5 (01:09:42):
Yeah, there might be some violence, there might be some language,
but we've also got guys like Orange Cacity, who if
kids love.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Let me interrupt you, Chris real quick, Homosaur. I don't
know if that's you typing, but it's certainly your fan
in the background. You need a mute, buddy.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
I don't have a fan. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 9 (01:10:09):
It's I think it's just the lack of noise cancelation
on this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Okay, because I could have sworn when your video was up,
I thought it was you. I saw a fan of
ceiling fan in the background. Anyway, go ahead, Chris.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
We like plenty of people that are kids front of them.
You know, Orange Caacity people love dressing up as Darby
Alt and Willow people love her. She's she's family friendly.
You know, she's happy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
It's not he doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
Just needs to figure out how to really promote their
shows and be like, hey, we're coming to your town.
We we have good ticket prices, we have awesome wrestling,
we have the people that you're gonna love, your kids
are gonna love. It's that's their biggest problem now is
the lack of real promotion, especially when coming to new

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towns or new markets.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Okay, anybody else, go ahead, Barry.

Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
Didn't they just I think they just hired somebody, and
I saw I read something on observer wherever they had
hired or maybe fightful somebody to focus specifically on marketing.
And you know, I haven't just had a show here,
why not just out of town in Lakeland. There wasn't
much local promotion that I saw. I knew about it

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because I watched TV. I don't think there's much they
can do price wise either. I mean, their prices are
about as reasonable as it gets. I don't know, No,
I agree from a show standpoint. You know, I just
have a hard time thinking that these kids don't see
anything worse every night playing video games or watching regular
television or what they see in pro wrestling.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Maybe let's not forget all the great stuff that you
could see just looking at your cell phone as a kid.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
Maybe you know it's different because it's live as opposed
to a video game or you know, a regular single
camera show or whatnot. But it's a hard call, Kelson,
I don't know if there's a good answer there. I
think really it comes down in marketing, and they just
need to keep consistent to build some buzzz. If you
get hot, people are gonna show up regardless.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
So that's you know, one of the things. You know,
one of the things Barry that I've often said about
well back when WWE was WWF, I thought that they
got off to a really really good promotional thing. Look
back in the days when w WWF was probab but

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was you know, you had talk shows like you know,
our Cineo Hall that was hip with the younger audiences,
you know, and our Citio Hall had a lot of
AW I mean WWE or WWF wrestlers on it, and
they were popular, you know. And I think that's something

(01:13:06):
that AW needs to do, is get their guys and
women in the mainstream. I just I think that's smart.

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
Yeah, Warner for help. I'm not sure what they do.
You know, maybe that's what the marketing person is going
to do, is focus on on those because I you know,
I remember the Mantro manor Andy Savage appearance on on
Our Sitting Own some of the other stuff, or they
being Jay Leno sometimes too.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
A couple of Yeah, Barry, I gotta ask, how are
you talking like that with the squeak dway in your mouth?

Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
I was hoping you guys didn't hear that.

Speaker 14 (01:13:46):
Sorry, you're just you're being You're like, he's not even
to acknowledge his dog, Karen, No, I don't Yeah, anyway,
anybody else with an opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
On this, Uh, yeah, I think the absolute worst thing
AW could possibly do is tone down their product. I
think they've hit a great stride where I once favorably
compared AW to ECW, not just because of the violence,
but because ECW at its core was a whole gumutt

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of things that you couldn't see anywhere else, like all
sorts of different styles wrestlers from all over the world.
I think AEW is a great successor to ECW, and
I wouldn't tone that. I wouldn't tone down what's a
unique selling point of your company. I do agree that
marketing might better marketing. Like a couple of years ago,

(01:14:55):
TNA did one of their pay per views here in
Columbus and there were billboards all over the place, like
you know, the like the light up billboards, Like I
can't remember the name of the pay per view. I
know the I know that Alex Shelley won the title
add it. But anyway, that was the show. That was

(01:15:16):
the show it was. But I'd like to see like
AEW do something like that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
ACW back in the day was like the original promotion
that just celebrated pro wrestling. That was kind of their personality,
Like it was just a celebration of pro wrestling, and
you do get some of those vibes from AW, and
maybe that's the identity they market, but I don't know
if they really have a marketing strategy. And you're not

(01:15:43):
going to get hot alone just hoping your product catches
on TV, like, you got to push it and get
in front of people. And I think you're right, Helston.
They new ways to get in front of people to
make them consider tuning in because the venues they're using
now they're clearly not not doing enough.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Yeah, I mean, and also you got to take advantage
of honestly, the weak part of WWE right now, I mean, creatively,
WWE is not doing well and they're pushing and using
you know, I call it the WWE nostalgia Tour because frankly,

(01:16:20):
a lot of what they're presenting on TV or you know,
guys that are fifty years old either on the wrong
side or the right side of fifty. But there's practic
The matter is they're close to fifty, you know, and
aw's got younger wrestlers and the in my opinion, it's

(01:16:42):
not anything that can be done quickly. It's the fact
that AW has to attract younger fans, so that these
younger fans can grow up with AW just like young
fans grew up with WWE. Problem with WWE right now
is that they're young fans I grew up with them
are now old as their old wrestlers are aging as well.

(01:17:05):
So I hope that WAW can do something to gain
the younger audience to grow with them. I guess it's
the best way to put it. So anyway, let's move
on to our very last segment and see if anybody

(01:17:27):
has anything to say here, and that is our potpourri segment.
Is there anything that you guys want to say about
anything in for wrestling or whatever?

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Go ahead, Jess, Okay, just a springboarding off the last
topic WWE. My favorite WWE pay per view of the
year born on is the Royal Rumble. I don't think
the same, ye, I don't think that's the unpopular opinion.
Everybody loves the Royal Rumble. What, may I ask is
the best part of the Worldroyal Rumble? Take a wild

(01:18:02):
guess to me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
The entrances, the entrances and the surprises that can come
with them.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
That's it. That's exactly what I was looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
The surprise is you never know what's going to happen
at the Royal Rumble. Since anybody can be in it,
it's a perfect time to, you know, pop the audience
with a cool surprise. You will not be getting any
surprises whatsoever at the next Royal Rumble because the next
Royal Rumble is going to be in Saudi Arabia and
they cannot logistically surprise anyone because of they have to

(01:18:32):
do their travel travel plans so far in advance. So congratulations,
wwe you ruined the Royal Rumble.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Hmm, interesting point. I'll have to look into that. I guess. Yeah,
somebody can say, yeah, so and so is uh in
Saudi Arabia. You know, here's their itinerary. I guess it
would be kind of hard to fly somewhere where you
can drive Indiana. It was all the United States. That

(01:19:02):
makes sense, anybody else with the potpourri? I have one ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:19:09):
It's about the Young Bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Oh boy, oh yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:19:13):
This week I watched their little show on YouTube where
they were learning the value of friendship and they could
not understand why everyone was being so nice to them
and so gracious when they had been jerks for so

(01:19:33):
long and Brandon explained to them that they had been
friends for years and this is how you treat your friends.
I think that the young Bucks are about to make
up with Kenny Omega, and there has been that noise
in the background of don Kallis having the Young Bucks

(01:19:56):
join his family. I think that something is going to
happen where Callous thinks he has his way and the
young Bucks are joining and they're going to turn around
and join with Kenny to run wild through the Callous family.

(01:20:17):
And I almost want to say that somehow Takesha is
going to play a role in this, if not him Okada.

Speaker 8 (01:20:28):
But I'm not so sure.

Speaker 11 (01:20:30):
I'm a little on the fence with Okada because Helopata
is the best. But I definitely think that they are
going to reunite with Kenny, and I've been waiting for
it for quite a long time.

Speaker 8 (01:20:42):
And I think it's just going to be fabulous.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Oh gneeze, that doesn't Yeah, that sounds lovely.

Speaker 8 (01:20:49):
It does. So let's hope it happens, because it's going
to be good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
I think you're on something. I think it does go
through Takesha.

Speaker 9 (01:20:56):
I know, like people have rightfully said, the don Kellis
family has four hundred thousand people in it, but the
the momentum is kind of against them, Like Ta is leaving,
the Bucks are probably gonna join Tkeshta and end up
end up aligning with him. Fletcher is probably gonna leave
if Tkesha leaves. That's a huge loss for that. Like

(01:21:17):
the there's the Face is kind of like in a
long term capacity, especially with the Death Riders continuing to
get whooped. It's it feels like the Faces have a
lot of momentum right now actually, like kind of behind the.

Speaker 8 (01:21:31):
Scenes, you know, yeah, don't let's see what happens. I
hope I'm right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
All right? Anybody else have a potporiri?

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
I got a little one. It's kind of a non
a w Recently, they put out New Japan or Tim Reyu.
I don't know who put the show out, but it
was a show with a shirt with tim Yu and
show to Umino, and some of the comments about this

(01:22:02):
herd from people like people literally wishing death upon show
to Umino for being on the same shirt. It's like,
did these idiots not realize if Tim right, you didn't
want Stowts on that shirt, he wouldn't have been on it.
Like it fans just like they think they're talk they're

(01:22:24):
speaking up for these wrestlers, and he shouldn't be compared
to him. It's like Tim right, you is obviously a
fan of show to Umano, he wouldn't have been on
the shirt if he wasn't. Just the way some fans
talk about wrestlers they don't like.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Yeah, I mean, we have learned nothing from Hannah Kamura's incident.
And I ain't even saying it, saying it as an incident,
but yeah, fans need to shut the hell up. I mean,
that's poor.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Like I make some jokes about Eddie Kingston and stuff
like that. I'm not a.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Fan, but.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
I'm joking around, like I don't want him injured. I
don't want him, I don't want bad things that happens.
I just don't care to see them on my TV
spring And like that's fine. You could say I don't
like this, I don't want to see them, But when
you're wishing to have upon them, you're just the worst
kind of person.

Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Yeah, that's it. Anybody else with the potpourri.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Go uf the ec Ultimate Party. If you didn't, it
was a really good show.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
There you go, all right, I just want to remind
the podcasters to stick around after the podcast ends and
wait for your recording to upload. We will be back
tomorrow night after Dynamite for all of the talk, which
is a twenty to twenty five minute review of AW Dynamite.
We do it quick. We're not long winded. We just

(01:23:55):
say what's on our mind and move on. Appreciate, appreciate
everybody that came in tonight, and we will see you
next week. Offer ignition at eight forty five Eastern Time
on Tuesday night next week, and we will be talking
a lot, probably about blood and guts because that happens
Wednesday night next week. So forty AW Fan HUBB Podcast team.

(01:24:19):
This is Kelson. Good night, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Good night,