June 23, 2025 • 27 mins
In this episode, I interview my new friend, Nellybutter (a name she had fun creating!). Due to sharing some vulnerable things, she wanted to stay anonymous, and I totally respect that!
We talk about faith, help, hope, and healing. Nellybutter shares a couple vulnerable things and encourages others to seek support and utilize the resources available to them.
Please note: All of Nellybutter’s opinions and thoughts are her own and do not reflect the official stance of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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We talk about faith, help, hope, and healing. Nellybutter shares a couple vulnerable things and encourages others to seek support and utilize the resources available to them.
Please note: All of Nellybutter’s opinions and thoughts are her own and do not reflect the official stance of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Here is a link to my table of contents: https://docs.google.com/docume...
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hello, and welcome back to my podcast. So today I
have an exciting guest with me, and the funny thing
is that we met yesterday, which is kind of epic.
So I went to church early because I didn't go
to sleep after work. I just stayed up and then
ended up going. And you got there a little bit
early too, you know, not.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Right as a sea.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, I love pews, so me too. And you were
sitting behind me a pew and I was just talking
to someone sitting next to me, and I don't even
remember what, like what started our conversation, but I brought
up that I was teaching really society, and then we
just kind of chatted about that, and then I also
brought up so here's the thing is, I don't like
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to just be like, yeah, I have a podcast, someone,
everyone go listen to it. But I do just talk
about it because it's part of my life and something
that I care about. And so I mentioned that I
had a podcast, and you were like, no way, and
you said something about wanting to share your story and
I was like, oh my gosh, this is the gold mine.
I would love to have you on. So here we are.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, I've never really told my story before, So this
is gonna be new for me.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah. So to protect my friends and niminimity Wait, what's
that word? I don't know how to say that? Anonymous?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
To keep her anonymous, oh, yes, to keep her.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Anonymous too, because she shares some personal things in here,
we decided to give her a fun pseudo name. So
Nelly Butter is out right.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yes, my name's Nelly Butter.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Okay, okay, will you tell us a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I just got accepted to SU and I have a
presidential scholarship that will.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Last for four years.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
That's freaking awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna do awkera for the school. So very excited.
Just got a new job at Coal Creek Mortgage.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I do advertising and I'm also there's front desk secretary
and I'm loving it a little more personal. I'm the
oldest of six kids.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Me too, really I am. Yeah, you've got wonderful dimples too,
my gosh, really, twins? I know? Sorry, continue, No, you're fine.
Let's see. Do you actually read? I saw you reading
the Work in the Glory.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh yes, that's a good glove reading.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yes, yeah, yeah, what book are you on? I couldn't
tell does that book I'm just some book one that's
what I thought it was. But I was one hundred
percent sure that's a good book.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I know I watched movies.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, I like felt the spirit when I read that book.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, there was not happened like four times or something.
But just when Nathan's talking about his experience and like believing,
I was like, oh, I'm feeling it.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No, I've only like just started it.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Like saw you were like, I don't know, twenty thirty pages.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Year, but I don't even think I'm that far.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But I like that it gives a different perspective to
church history. It talks about their way of life back
then and how they thought and what was their life like.
They lived in a cabin with a dirt floor, and
they just wanted to make ends meet and plant their
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crop and provide for their family. And it was a
very simple lifestyle. And so I think it's quite amazing
that from that simplistic mindset.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Came the Book of Mormon. That's crazy, Like yeah, it's I.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Think it's a miracle that something that big happened from
such simple minded people.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I love that. And when you get if you end
up continuing to read the series. The very last chapter
of book three changed my life. Like it was so good.
So I won't spoil it unless you want me to,
but seriously, I was like, oh my gosh, okay, this
is why we pray. So if you get to that part,
I don't care how long it is down the road,
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totally hit me up. Okay. I would love to talk
about it because not a ton of people have read
those books, so you know, it's kind of fun to
talk about books with people, especially if they're not super popular,
you know.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, and with that series, watched the movies too.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, the movies are good.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh my god, yeah, so good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Well and this scene that happens in book three isn't
in the movies, which is why I just, oh, it's
so good.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, I've bet a lot of is cut out.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, there's just not enough time and they had to
wrap everything up. And there's like, what seven books or something,
so I don't know, there's a lot. Okay. So you
wrote down like three things in my phone, three or
four things about your story, and I looked over them
and I asked, you, do you want me to write
you questions? You want to just go for it? And
you said you want to just go for it, which
I deeply respect. I think it makes it more natural
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and flows. So I kind of want to start with
your testimony and why you were at church. And I
mean that in like, why after your experiences did you
choose to stay faithful? Because a lot of people don't,
you know, and there's no judgment there, But what was different?
Why why did you choose to to come?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know, I act differently than a lot of people
at church.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
If you see me at.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Sacrament, I'm closing my eyes, I'm crying basically.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, so you're sincere.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I like, I'm burying my testimony.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It's kind of this bold different testimony.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
If I'm like reading a book at.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Church or tolering, it's because I'm in my own bubble
and I don't go to church for other people, go
to church for me.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
There's a lot of things in the church that I question,
and a.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Lot of the things that I'm not okay with, and
a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I wish were different. I don't like that men are
the only ones with the priestood keys. That really bothers me.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I don't know, I just so simply out of curiosity,
are you endowed. Yeah, oh yeah, because one of the
things that I love is I'm not trying to combat
your reasoning by any means, but just another perspective. One
of the things that I've been thinking about in relation
to priested keys and everything is that we get to
wear the garment of the Holy priestoo and have that
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with us each day. And that's just one thing that
I'm grateful for at least, you know. But I can
totally see what your point is.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And yeah, I have a hard time wearing the garment.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I'm gonna lie like I wish we didn't wear garments.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
But that's not the point. The things in the church
are not why I'm at church. It's the big picture.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It's just Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost,
and that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Like, I really don't care about the rest. I follow
the rest, I wear.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
My garments, I sustain my leaders, but that's not why
I go.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
It's because I have a relationship.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
With my heavenly Father and I'm so grateful for Jesus
christ atonement that has saved me. Without him, I would
be nothing, And so that's.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Why I go.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And I feel their love every time I go, yeah,
and I hope everybody else fills that love, because other
people's love is not going to sustain you in church.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Other people's love should not be the reason you're going.
I mean, if it.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Is, that's great, But eventually I hope you come to
a point where you're just going to fill heavenly Father
and his son Jesus Christ and have some communication and
some connection with them personally.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
M Yeah, that's my hope for everyone, because it's been
life changing for me. When I was growing up, I
always thought about the little.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Things, the little things that were gonna get me to
the celestial kingdom. But the thing is that's not going
to take you to the celestial kingdom is whether or
not you wear your garments. What's gonna take you to
the celestial kingdom if you're a good person or not.
I believe there is a hell. A lot of people
in the church are like, there is no hell. There
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is a hell. It's good people go to heaven, bad
people go to hell. That's the Bible that it's also
the Book of Mormon. And I feel like there's a
lot of good people out there. I believe that people
are like relatively good. Everybody has good inside of them.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's not mine or yours.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I have no idea, it's probably myes.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So I don't feel like there's gonna be a lot
of people in hell because I believe people are good.
But when I was growing up, I really almost thought
I was going to hell because I felt like I
had to be perfect in all the little things, like
if I made one mistake, if I wasn't obedient to
my dad once, then I was like, somehow almost disqualified for.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
The celestial kingdom.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And that's how that works.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Is not how it works when you go into like
a bishop interview and they ask you, do do this,
do do that?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Do do this.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
When I was growing up, I thought, if you messed
up once on one of the things, disqualified for a temple,
recommend altogether, like goodbye, you know. But as I've grown
up and I've gone through things, I realized that Jesus
Christ is not like that that we if we are
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trying to be good, and if we are doing it
most of the time and we want to do it,
but we make a mistake here and there, you're not
disqualified from heaven. You're not disqualified for the celestial kingdom.
And you're certainly not disqualified to go to the temple
and feel peace and healing from your savior.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, so we tell us a little bit about your story.
You've hinted at some of them, and obviously only what
you're comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah. So growing up I had I have pretty good
good parents.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I mean, they've always kept a temple recommend, they've been
married for over twenty years.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
They're just awesome.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
People, right, But there has been some really hard mental
illnesses and just like depressions and anxieties and certain things
that it's been hard for one of my parents and
the other parent had horrible control issues. We grew up
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moving every year or multiple times a year. By the
time I was sixteen, I'd moved twenty times.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I've now moved twenty.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Seven times, so it's kind of slowed down a little bit,
but always.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Moving, Always the new girl.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Always the new girl. Yeah, that's been hard. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I grew up with some abuse, emotional abuse, not so
much physical, but yeah, definitely emotional and spiritual abuse was huge.
And I realized that because I was getting so much
spiritual abuse in my life, I started spiritually abusing my friends,
like turning Jesus against them, like some form of control
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that I was used to, you know. But it wasn't normal,
and now I realize it, but back then it was.
It was it was like heavenly Father and Jesus Christ
are in control, but the first law of heaven is obedience, therefore.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
We're in control. That was kind of my parents kind
of underlying message my whole growing up. It was really difficult.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And when I was seventeen, my dad and I growing
up just it was horrible. Like he told me to
run away all the time. When we'd moved to a
new place. He'd just be like, Okay, if you don't
want to listen to me, you can just go run away.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You can go run away. You should run away. So
I grew up.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
With that mentality of oh, I can probably run away,
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So when I was.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Seventeen, my dad screamed at me then, like run away,
get out of here and stuff, and so I did.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I lived with.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Some friends and then I came back to southern Utah,
and through all the emotional and spiritual abuse, I was
a wreck.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I was not nice to anyone.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I lived with my grandparents, and my Grandma's just a saint.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
That's all I can say.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
She's awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Whenever I wanted to give up on the church, whenever
I was like, this is too hard, I can't do this,
my grandma was like a rock. She never gave up
on me, and she never gave up on my parents either,
and so I'm very grateful to her. I've gone through
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a heck ton of therapy, which is hard because my
dad was a therapist, so he had used some of
this stuff kind of against me, not trying to, but
he was always trying to. He always was more knowledgeable
than anyone else, and so he kind of played that.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Card quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
He doesn't now, but girl, it was scary. It was
hard for me to go to therapy quite honestly, Like
the first time, I did not want to go. But
now that I've gone to therapy for now three years straight,
I think I'm better and I'm very grateful for it.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I guess the struggles with the church kind of escalated.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I went on a mission because my patriarchal said, my
patriarchal blessing said I should, so I did.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Again.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I don't think I was fully here, hilled from the trauma,
so it was rough and I was sent home and
I served a service mission. I found a nice guy
on the service mission. We left the service mission together
to start dating to possibly get married. We did get engaged,
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We're about to get married, and then it all fell apart,
and I.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Think for the best.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like it wasn't a healthy situation for him or me.
It was a for me. It was really bad. It
was really really bad. I'm sorry, thank you. And I
was just introduced to things that I'd never been introduced
before to and I didn't know quite how to handle it.
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And I've repented and I've gone through the repentance process,
and it was just.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So hard, so hard.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think my testimony from that was both shaken and strengthened.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know, one of the things that President Nelson has
said that is that no one can take away a
witness born to your mind and spirit of what is true.
And it sounds like, based off the repentance process and
utilizing the Saviors of Tolment, that that's true for you.
Is that does that sound accurate?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Oh yeah? Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
There was one time with the bishop, like I kept
going to his office after I broke up, and this
president that got sick of me.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Let's be real. But there was one time.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Where I was like, did I confess everything? Did I
do enough? Like, you know, have I fixed the situation?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
The spirit just came over me and was like, you've
said it all, like you've tried to make this the
best situation that you know how to, and I think
your job is done, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, And so that makes that makes me think of
Matthew five of Daughter be of good Comfort, not Matthew five, sorry,
Mark five. The woman of blood touches his coat or
his garment, and he stops and says, daughter, thy faith
hath made the hole. You know your sins are forgiven
thee So sounds kind of like a moment like that,
you know your faith hath made the whole. You've done
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what you needed to do, go in peace, basically absolutely.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
So right now, I'm just grateful that I still have
a testimony. I'm grateful that I'm in a better place,
that I've thankfully received so much help and so much
grace that I feel like I can continue with my
life in peace, you know what I mean. So I'm
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just really grateful for that. There's a lot of gratitude.
I just I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, I think Gratitude's the best way to live. Brings
peace and joy and just blessings. So definitely, So keeping
in mind, you know, the pain and the heartache that
you've experienced. How do you This is something that my
sister and I were talking about that we don't hold
on to the experiences to like traumatize us again and again,
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but we hold on to the memories of them so
that our growth matters, so that those experiences continue to matter.
Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, So what would
you say is something that you do so that your
past continues to matter in a way that because of
like who you are and how you've changed. Does that
make how?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I have healthy boundaries, very clear healthy boundaries. I keep
in mind what's happened, Like I try to fix things
as much as I can and help people, but I
also know that like I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
In a safe place, and I try to keep that.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I think when you've gone through a lot, that's such
an interesting question you just asked.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I know, because you don't. You don't try to rethink.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Anything you know, and I guess let me super clarify. So,
if you've had a testimony or a challenge of faith
or faith challenge or faith crisis. For me personally, I
feel like remembering how I felt and then looking at
where I am now makes me feel grateful for the growth.
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So I guess, like, where do you find gratitude in
the growth? I guess that's my question. This is gonna
be weird for you. Nope, what's here?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think continuing to be faithful and doing things even
though you don't understand it brings the spirit. Yeah, and
that testimony that the spirit brings its remembrance.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, remember remember talks about that.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's remembering. Hey, you know how you felt like crap
the other day? Like today you feel good? Hmm, wonder
what that could be? Maybe me the spirits? Yeah, because
you kept going. Good job, girlfriend. Yeah, So I.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Love the spirit and it's a reminder that hey, like
today's a good day, or vice versa.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Today you have so many doubts and you feel so down.
But do you remember the time at the temple when
you felt the spirit? Do you remember the time when
you were with your non member family and.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You just you had a light and they saw that,
or when you read the scriptures and you're like, oh
this is so real, you know?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So yeah, absolutely, definitely think the spirit helps us.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Remember, Yeah, sorry, that was a weird question. Sometimes I
have good questions in my mind and then they don't
come out the way that I want them to. Oh, no,
you're good finishing up. What was your final piece of
advice or or words of wisdom for those listening, whether
they're going through hard time, whether they're not, I just
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get help, get help now.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
No, I believe if you're having a hard time, if
you're having a doubt that just keeps nagging at you more.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
You have been through any sort of abuse.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Sextual, physical, emotional, spiritual, and you feel broken, Jesus can
mend you, and you can repent or you can forgive,
you can There's so many resources out there.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
The church is just busting at the seams. Okay, that
was a weird phrase to get in there.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I think we should give it in there.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Was so weird.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I can take it out if you want me.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
To, Okay, I don't care. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
So Family Services has so many programs in groups.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So if you're struggling.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
With anything the Church has got you, you just go
to your bishop and say Bishop, I'm struggling with this addiction.
Or I'm struggling with this or that, or what breakup
or a parent it's abusive, or I.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Don't feel safe, help me feel safe. They'll they'll do it.
And it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
The the church is just like a machine care about
of help.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, and so there's absolutely no reason that. Oh.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Also for the girls, there is a new thing in
the church where if you feel like you need I've
gone in for this sexual abuse. If you've been sexually
abused and you need help, which I've been there, you
go to your bishop, you say I need help. He'll
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put you in a group in family services and it's
just for sexual abuse victims and you get a.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Hell together, Like how cool is that?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Andre's And then to clarify, it's all free.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh, it's all free. Yeah, it's all free.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Just so everyone is aware.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yes, So if you're struggling with that, even if it's
far back in your past, like when you were a
two year old, but you still have this freaking memory,
you have to get out of your head.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
There's groups, there's church, and there's hope.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
There's so much hope for you. Yeah, I know that
there was a lot of hope for me, and I
feel like I just want to share that that there's
so many resources.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, the church is.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Just that's another testimony builder of mind, how church, the.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Church responds to those in need. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
You just need to reach out.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, that's the only scary part. Oh, for the girls,
you can talk Sorry, no, no, I go on a tangent.
I'm bad, no worries to the point. You can talk
to your relief society leaders if you If you're a
girl and you're like, I don't want to be in
the bishop's off I don't want to be with.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
A man in a room alone. I don't want to
do that. Can I just tell you I have the problem? Yeah,
now you can. The church has changed that.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
You can tell the relief society leader and she tells
the bishop and you get help there.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
So you don't have to go into scary man. You
can just go to your relief society leader. And so
that's a game changer for a lot of ladies.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah. True, Yeah, it just makes me think about you know,
wherever we have a deficit in our testimony or whatever,
wherever we have a weakness or doubts or things that
we're not sure of, there is so much potential for
growth in that area, for that weakness or that doubt
to become the strength, you know. And I think that's
one way that we can strengthen our testimonies is by
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evaluating where we're at and working on the areas that
we're not super confident in. And it sounds like that's
something that you've done and I really admire that.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, definitely still working on it. But I feel like
there's no faith without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
So if you're if you've never doubted the church, you
don't have faith. No, that's true. I'm not kidding. You're
just blindly following what your parents did or what you
think is right. Why is it right? Do you think
through this? You know there has to be a doubt
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for there to be faith.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
If you have a.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Perfect knowledge and of seeing Christ, good on yet, bravo.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
But like if you haven't and you doubt a little,
congratulations you have faith.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, very proud of you. Yeah, I just want to
say this just in case. I know people sometimes are
scared of the word doubt, and I think that you're
not wrong. I think you're right, But I also feel
like question fits in there too, So both you know.
Maybe you're like, oh, I've never doubted, but I've had questions,
so it's anonymous.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I've read the conference talks.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They're like, not a.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Doubt, it's question.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, No, you can doubt maybe your questions. We all
have different personalities, so when my questions come in, they
turn into doubts. They're like doubting questions.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
They're like, yeah, what if.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
This all of us isn't real? What if it's all hoax?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yes, yeah, that could be. You could rephrase it. It
could be a question is the church real? Whatever? Spicy
sunshine and rainbows you want to have, but.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Spicy sunshine and rainbows you want to have?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
No, like it sounds like sunshine and rainbows, Like, no,
it's true.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
It's like, oh my gosh, I'm an actress. You can tell, Okay,
like is the church true?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I don't know if the church is true? That's the
underlying tone.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, yeah, and this is a life changing, life altering
question that you have.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
It's true, and so.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, I specifically want to just talk to the audience
in case, you know, we're hitting all the targets.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So oh yeah, that's what I'm doing me too. You
can have questions, go for it and.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
If you have doubt, that's okay too. I just wanted
to touch on both. So all right, official final word
is yours? Ready, let go? What do you want everyone
to know? And then I'll hope I love it? Hope. Well,
thank you guys, so so so much for listening. Don't
forget to embrace the perfection, find meaning, satisfaction and joy
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from the journey. I'm Kira, I'm Nelly better and this
is imperfectly broken. The podcast
Hello, and welcome back to my podcast. So today I
have an exciting guest with me, and the funny thing
is that we met yesterday, which is kind of epic.
So I went to church early because I didn't go
to sleep after work. I just stayed up and then
ended up going. And you got there a little bit
early too, you know, not.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Right as a sea.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, I love pews, so me too. And you were
sitting behind me a pew and I was just talking
to someone sitting next to me, and I don't even
remember what, like what started our conversation, but I brought
up that I was teaching really society, and then we
just kind of chatted about that, and then I also
brought up so here's the thing is, I don't like
(00:59):
to just be like, yeah, I have a podcast, someone,
everyone go listen to it. But I do just talk
about it because it's part of my life and something
that I care about. And so I mentioned that I
had a podcast, and you were like, no way, and
you said something about wanting to share your story and
I was like, oh my gosh, this is the gold mine.
I would love to have you on. So here we are.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yeah, I've never really told my story before, So this
is gonna be new for me.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah. So to protect my friends and niminimity Wait, what's
that word? I don't know how to say that? Anonymous?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
To keep her anonymous, oh, yes, to keep her.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Anonymous too, because she shares some personal things in here,
we decided to give her a fun pseudo name. So
Nelly Butter is out right.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yes, my name's Nelly Butter.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Okay, okay, will you tell us a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I just got accepted to SU and I have a
presidential scholarship that will.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Last for four years.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
That's freaking awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna do awkera for the school. So very excited.
Just got a new job at Coal Creek Mortgage.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I do advertising and I'm also there's front desk secretary
and I'm loving it a little more personal. I'm the
oldest of six kids.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Me too, really I am. Yeah, you've got wonderful dimples too,
my gosh, really, twins? I know? Sorry, continue, No, you're fine.
Let's see. Do you actually read? I saw you reading
the Work in the Glory.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh yes, that's a good glove reading.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yes, yeah, yeah, what book are you on? I couldn't
tell does that book I'm just some book one that's
what I thought it was. But I was one hundred
percent sure that's a good book.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I know I watched movies.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, I like felt the spirit when I read that book.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, there was not happened like four times or something.
But just when Nathan's talking about his experience and like believing,
I was like, oh, I'm feeling it.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
No, I've only like just started it.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Like saw you were like, I don't know, twenty thirty pages.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Year, but I don't even think I'm that far.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But I like that it gives a different perspective to
church history. It talks about their way of life back
then and how they thought and what was their life like.
They lived in a cabin with a dirt floor, and
they just wanted to make ends meet and plant their
(03:37):
crop and provide for their family. And it was a
very simple lifestyle. And so I think it's quite amazing
that from that simplistic mindset.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Came the Book of Mormon. That's crazy, Like yeah, it's I.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Think it's a miracle that something that big happened from
such simple minded people.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I love that. And when you get if you end
up continuing to read the series. The very last chapter
of book three changed my life. Like it was so good.
So I won't spoil it unless you want me to,
but seriously, I was like, oh my gosh, okay, this
is why we pray. So if you get to that part,
I don't care how long it is down the road,
(04:24):
totally hit me up. Okay. I would love to talk
about it because not a ton of people have read
those books, so you know, it's kind of fun to
talk about books with people, especially if they're not super popular,
you know.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, and with that series, watched the movies too.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, the movies are good.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Oh my god, yeah, so good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Well and this scene that happens in book three isn't
in the movies, which is why I just, oh, it's
so good.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, I've bet a lot of is cut out.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, there's just not enough time and they had to
wrap everything up. And there's like, what seven books or something,
so I don't know, there's a lot. Okay. So you
wrote down like three things in my phone, three or
four things about your story, and I looked over them
and I asked, you, do you want me to write
you questions? You want to just go for it? And
you said you want to just go for it, which
I deeply respect. I think it makes it more natural
(05:14):
and flows. So I kind of want to start with
your testimony and why you were at church. And I
mean that in like, why after your experiences did you
choose to stay faithful? Because a lot of people don't,
you know, and there's no judgment there, But what was different?
Why why did you choose to to come?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know, I act differently than a lot of people
at church.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
If you see me at.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Sacrament, I'm closing my eyes, I'm crying basically.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, so you're sincere.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I like, I'm burying my testimony.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It's kind of this bold different testimony.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
If I'm like reading a book at.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Church or tolering, it's because I'm in my own bubble
and I don't go to church for other people, go
to church for me.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
There's a lot of things in the church that I question,
and a.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Lot of the things that I'm not okay with, and
a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I wish were different. I don't like that men are
the only ones with the priestood keys. That really bothers me.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I don't know, I just so simply out of curiosity,
are you endowed. Yeah, oh yeah, because one of the
things that I love is I'm not trying to combat
your reasoning by any means, but just another perspective. One
of the things that I've been thinking about in relation
to priested keys and everything is that we get to
wear the garment of the Holy priestoo and have that
(06:45):
with us each day. And that's just one thing that
I'm grateful for at least, you know. But I can
totally see what your point is.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
And yeah, I have a hard time wearing the garment.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I'm gonna lie like I wish we didn't wear garments.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
But that's not the point. The things in the church
are not why I'm at church. It's the big picture.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It's just Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost,
and that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Like, I really don't care about the rest. I follow
the rest, I wear.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
My garments, I sustain my leaders, but that's not why
I go.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
It's because I have a relationship.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
With my heavenly Father and I'm so grateful for Jesus
christ atonement that has saved me. Without him, I would
be nothing, And so that's.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Why I go.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
And I feel their love every time I go, yeah,
and I hope everybody else fills that love, because other
people's love is not going to sustain you in church.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Other people's love should not be the reason you're going.
I mean, if it.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Is, that's great, But eventually I hope you come to
a point where you're just going to fill heavenly Father
and his son Jesus Christ and have some communication and
some connection with them personally.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
M Yeah, that's my hope for everyone, because it's been
life changing for me. When I was growing up, I
always thought about the little.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Things, the little things that were gonna get me to
the celestial kingdom. But the thing is that's not going
to take you to the celestial kingdom is whether or
not you wear your garments. What's gonna take you to
the celestial kingdom if you're a good person or not.
I believe there is a hell. A lot of people
in the church are like, there is no hell. There
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is a hell. It's good people go to heaven, bad
people go to hell. That's the Bible that it's also
the Book of Mormon. And I feel like there's a
lot of good people out there. I believe that people
are like relatively good. Everybody has good inside of them.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's not mine or yours.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I have no idea, it's probably myes.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
So I don't feel like there's gonna be a lot
of people in hell because I believe people are good.
But when I was growing up, I really almost thought
I was going to hell because I felt like I
had to be perfect in all the little things, like
if I made one mistake, if I wasn't obedient to
my dad once, then I was like, somehow almost disqualified for.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
The celestial kingdom.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And that's how that works.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Is not how it works when you go into like
a bishop interview and they ask you, do do this,
do do that?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Do do this.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
When I was growing up, I thought, if you messed
up once on one of the things, disqualified for a temple,
recommend altogether, like goodbye, you know. But as I've grown
up and I've gone through things, I realized that Jesus
Christ is not like that that we if we are
(10:04):
trying to be good, and if we are doing it
most of the time and we want to do it,
but we make a mistake here and there, you're not
disqualified from heaven. You're not disqualified for the celestial kingdom.
And you're certainly not disqualified to go to the temple
and feel peace and healing from your savior.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, so we tell us a little bit about your story.
You've hinted at some of them, and obviously only what
you're comfortable with.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah. So growing up I had I have pretty good
good parents.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I mean, they've always kept a temple recommend, they've been
married for over twenty years.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
They're just awesome.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
People, right, But there has been some really hard mental
illnesses and just like depressions and anxieties and certain things
that it's been hard for one of my parents and
the other parent had horrible control issues. We grew up
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moving every year or multiple times a year. By the
time I was sixteen, I'd moved twenty times.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I've now moved twenty.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Seven times, so it's kind of slowed down a little bit,
but always.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Moving, Always the new girl.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Always the new girl. Yeah, that's been hard. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I grew up with some abuse, emotional abuse, not so
much physical, but yeah, definitely emotional and spiritual abuse was huge.
And I realized that because I was getting so much
spiritual abuse in my life, I started spiritually abusing my friends,
like turning Jesus against them, like some form of control
(11:49):
that I was used to, you know. But it wasn't normal,
and now I realize it, but back then it was.
It was it was like heavenly Father and Jesus Christ
are in control, but the first law of heaven is obedience, therefore.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
We're in control. That was kind of my parents kind
of underlying message my whole growing up. It was really difficult.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And when I was seventeen, my dad and I growing
up just it was horrible. Like he told me to
run away all the time. When we'd moved to a
new place. He'd just be like, Okay, if you don't
want to listen to me, you can just go run away.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
You can go run away. You should run away. So
I grew up.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
With that mentality of oh, I can probably run away,
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So when I was.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Seventeen, my dad screamed at me then, like run away,
get out of here and stuff, and so I did.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I lived with.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Some friends and then I came back to southern Utah,
and through all the emotional and spiritual abuse, I was
a wreck.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I was not nice to anyone.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I lived with my grandparents, and my Grandma's just a saint.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
That's all I can say.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
She's awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Whenever I wanted to give up on the church, whenever
I was like, this is too hard, I can't do this,
my grandma was like a rock. She never gave up
on me, and she never gave up on my parents either,
and so I'm very grateful to her. I've gone through
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a heck ton of therapy, which is hard because my
dad was a therapist, so he had used some of
this stuff kind of against me, not trying to, but
he was always trying to. He always was more knowledgeable
than anyone else, and so he kind of played that.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Card quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
He doesn't now, but girl, it was scary. It was
hard for me to go to therapy quite honestly, Like
the first time, I did not want to go. But
now that I've gone to therapy for now three years straight,
I think I'm better and I'm very grateful for it.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I guess the struggles with the church kind of escalated.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I went on a mission because my patriarchal said, my
patriarchal blessing said I should, so I did.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Again.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
I don't think I was fully here, hilled from the trauma,
so it was rough and I was sent home and
I served a service mission. I found a nice guy
on the service mission. We left the service mission together
to start dating to possibly get married. We did get engaged,
(14:50):
We're about to get married, and then it all fell apart,
and I.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Think for the best.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like it wasn't a healthy situation for him or me.
It was a for me. It was really bad. It
was really really bad. I'm sorry, thank you. And I
was just introduced to things that I'd never been introduced
before to and I didn't know quite how to handle it.
(15:18):
And I've repented and I've gone through the repentance process,
and it was just.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So hard, so hard.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think my testimony from that was both shaken and strengthened.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know, one of the things that President Nelson has
said that is that no one can take away a
witness born to your mind and spirit of what is true.
And it sounds like, based off the repentance process and
utilizing the Saviors of Tolment, that that's true for you.
Is that does that sound accurate?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Oh yeah? Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
There was one time with the bishop, like I kept
going to his office after I broke up, and this
president that got sick of me.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Let's be real. But there was one time.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Where I was like, did I confess everything? Did I
do enough? Like, you know, have I fixed the situation?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
The spirit just came over me and was like, you've
said it all, like you've tried to make this the
best situation that you know how to, and I think
your job is done, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, And so that makes that makes me think of
Matthew five of Daughter be of good Comfort, not Matthew five, sorry,
Mark five. The woman of blood touches his coat or
his garment, and he stops and says, daughter, thy faith
hath made the hole. You know your sins are forgiven
thee So sounds kind of like a moment like that,
you know your faith hath made the whole. You've done
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what you needed to do, go in peace, basically absolutely.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
So right now, I'm just grateful that I still have
a testimony. I'm grateful that I'm in a better place,
that I've thankfully received so much help and so much
grace that I feel like I can continue with my
life in peace, you know what I mean. So I'm
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just really grateful for that. There's a lot of gratitude.
I just I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, I think Gratitude's the best way to live. Brings
peace and joy and just blessings. So definitely, So keeping
in mind, you know, the pain and the heartache that
you've experienced. How do you This is something that my
sister and I were talking about that we don't hold
on to the experiences to like traumatize us again and again,
(17:45):
but we hold on to the memories of them so
that our growth matters, so that those experiences continue to matter.
Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, So what would
you say is something that you do so that your
past continues to matter in a way that because of
like who you are and how you've changed. Does that
make how?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I have healthy boundaries, very clear healthy boundaries. I keep
in mind what's happened, Like I try to fix things
as much as I can and help people, but I
also know that like I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
In a safe place, and I try to keep that.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I think when you've gone through a lot, that's such
an interesting question you just asked.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I know, because you don't. You don't try to rethink.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Anything you know, and I guess let me super clarify. So,
if you've had a testimony or a challenge of faith
or faith challenge or faith crisis. For me personally, I
feel like remembering how I felt and then looking at
where I am now makes me feel grateful for the growth.
(18:59):
So I guess, like, where do you find gratitude in
the growth? I guess that's my question. This is gonna
be weird for you. Nope, what's here?
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I think continuing to be faithful and doing things even
though you don't understand it brings the spirit. Yeah, and
that testimony that the spirit brings its remembrance.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, remember remember talks about that.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's remembering. Hey, you know how you felt like crap
the other day? Like today you feel good? Hmm, wonder
what that could be? Maybe me the spirits? Yeah, because
you kept going. Good job, girlfriend. Yeah, So I.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Love the spirit and it's a reminder that hey, like
today's a good day, or vice versa.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Today you have so many doubts and you feel so down.
But do you remember the time at the temple when
you felt the spirit? Do you remember the time when
you were with your non member family and.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You just you had a light and they saw that,
or when you read the scriptures and you're like, oh
this is so real, you know?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So yeah, absolutely, definitely think the spirit helps us.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Remember, Yeah, sorry, that was a weird question. Sometimes I
have good questions in my mind and then they don't
come out the way that I want them to. Oh, no,
you're good finishing up. What was your final piece of
advice or or words of wisdom for those listening, whether
they're going through hard time, whether they're not, I just
(20:42):
get help, get help now.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
No, I believe if you're having a hard time, if
you're having a doubt that just keeps nagging at you more.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
You have been through any sort of abuse.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Sextual, physical, emotional, spiritual, and you feel broken, Jesus can
mend you, and you can repent or you can forgive,
you can There's so many resources out there.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
The church is just busting at the seams. Okay, that
was a weird phrase to get in there.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I think we should give it in there.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Was so weird.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I can take it out if you want me.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
To, Okay, I don't care. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
So Family Services has so many programs in groups.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So if you're struggling.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
With anything the Church has got you, you just go
to your bishop and say Bishop, I'm struggling with this addiction.
Or I'm struggling with this or that, or what breakup
or a parent it's abusive, or I.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Don't feel safe, help me feel safe. They'll they'll do it.
And it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
The the church is just like a machine care about
of help.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, and so there's absolutely no reason that. Oh.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Also for the girls, there is a new thing in
the church where if you feel like you need I've
gone in for this sexual abuse. If you've been sexually
abused and you need help, which I've been there, you
go to your bishop, you say I need help. He'll
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put you in a group in family services and it's
just for sexual abuse victims and you get a.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Hell together, Like how cool is that?
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Andre's And then to clarify, it's all free.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh, it's all free. Yeah, it's all free.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Just so everyone is aware.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yes, So if you're struggling with that, even if it's
far back in your past, like when you were a
two year old, but you still have this freaking memory,
you have to get out of your head.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
There's groups, there's church, and there's hope.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
There's so much hope for you. Yeah, I know that
there was a lot of hope for me, and I
feel like I just want to share that that there's
so many resources.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, the church is.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Just that's another testimony builder of mind, how church, the.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Church responds to those in need. It's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
You just need to reach out.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, that's the only scary part. Oh, for the girls,
you can talk Sorry, no, no, I go on a tangent.
I'm bad, no worries to the point. You can talk
to your relief society leaders if you If you're a
girl and you're like, I don't want to be in
the bishop's off I don't want to be with.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
A man in a room alone. I don't want to
do that. Can I just tell you I have the problem? Yeah,
now you can. The church has changed that.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
You can tell the relief society leader and she tells
the bishop and you get help there.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
So you don't have to go into scary man. You
can just go to your relief society leader. And so
that's a game changer for a lot of ladies.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah. True, Yeah, it just makes me think about you know,
wherever we have a deficit in our testimony or whatever,
wherever we have a weakness or doubts or things that
we're not sure of, there is so much potential for
growth in that area, for that weakness or that doubt
to become the strength, you know. And I think that's
one way that we can strengthen our testimonies is by
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evaluating where we're at and working on the areas that
we're not super confident in. And it sounds like that's
something that you've done and I really admire that.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah, definitely still working on it. But I feel like
there's no faith without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
So if you're if you've never doubted the church, you
don't have faith. No, that's true. I'm not kidding. You're
just blindly following what your parents did or what you
think is right. Why is it right? Do you think
through this? You know there has to be a doubt
(25:24):
for there to be faith.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
If you have a.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Perfect knowledge and of seeing Christ, good on yet, bravo.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
But like if you haven't and you doubt a little,
congratulations you have faith.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, very proud of you. Yeah, I just want to
say this just in case. I know people sometimes are
scared of the word doubt, and I think that you're
not wrong. I think you're right, But I also feel
like question fits in there too, So both you know.
Maybe you're like, oh, I've never doubted, but I've had questions,
so it's anonymous.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I've read the conference talks.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They're like, not a.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Doubt, it's question.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, No, you can doubt maybe your questions. We all
have different personalities, so when my questions come in, they
turn into doubts. They're like doubting questions.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
They're like, yeah, what if.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
This all of us isn't real? What if it's all hoax?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yes, yeah, that could be. You could rephrase it. It
could be a question is the church real? Whatever? Spicy
sunshine and rainbows you want to have, but.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Spicy sunshine and rainbows you want to have?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
No, like it sounds like sunshine and rainbows, Like, no,
it's true.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
It's like, oh my gosh, I'm an actress. You can tell, Okay,
like is the church true?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I don't know if the church is true? That's the
underlying tone.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, yeah, and this is a life changing, life altering
question that you have.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
It's true, and so.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, I specifically want to just talk to the audience
in case, you know, we're hitting all the targets.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
So oh yeah, that's what I'm doing me too. You
can have questions, go for it and.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
If you have doubt, that's okay too. I just wanted
to touch on both. So all right, official final word
is yours? Ready, let go? What do you want everyone
to know? And then I'll hope I love it? Hope. Well,
thank you guys, so so so much for listening. Don't
forget to embrace the perfection, find meaning, satisfaction and joy
(27:32):
from the journey. I'm Kira, I'm Nelly better and this
is imperfectly broken. The podcast
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