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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Dude, Hello, and welcome back to my podcast. The honest
truth is that I have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, fifteen,
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fifteen potential podcast episode titles, fifteen of them, and here
I am down to one episode a week and I
have fifteen ideas. Which, don't get me wrong, I am
very grateful, extremely grateful, immensely grateful, because it is not
fun when you don't have any inspiration and any ideas
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and it's time to post an episode and you're like, Okay,
I'm going to talk about my suitcase. Yeah, true story
to do that. Some of you may remember that, but
luckily I'm not in that boat. Luckily I have fifteen
ideas of things that I could talk about. And the
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honest truth is very honest, is I don't know what
this episode is gonna be yet. In fact, I just
prayed and I asked for Heavenly Father's help in figuring
out which one he wants me to record right now,
and who knows, maybe i'll record too, I don't know.
But it's interesting to me that today I just felt
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this need and this desire to record an episode. Okay, well,
I'm just gonna follow the spirit and go with what
is coming to mind. So I wasn't planning on telling
anyone this. In fact, I was going to keep this
on the download and just hide it away and lock
it up so that no one knew. But I feel
like just telling you. So this weekend I was at
the YSAY conference, and it just seemed like I continually
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got this message that I could serve a mission or
I need to serve a mission, and I was like,
this makes no sense because I just barely got into
a master's program that's two years long, and I'm not
putting that off. That is super irresponsible and most likely
not what God wants for me. Because he led me here,
he helped me get in, and I can look back
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and see very distinctly how he led and guided me
to this program and how I got in and all
of the things. I know this is where God wants
me to be. He wants me to be here in Provo,
and he wants me to attend BYU in the Marriage,
Family Human Development program. I know that, I know that's
what he wants from me. But then if that's why
I say conference, there's just all these thoughts about serving
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a mission, and I was like, this is really weird.
So I prayed to definitely Father this morning, and I
told him that if in two years after my program,
I'm not married and I am still feeling prompted to
serve a mission, then I will go. I will go,
and I will do I will do whatever he asks
of me. And then the other thought came to mind
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that although I am not on a typical mission right now,
God has a plan for me in my everyday life.
In fact, I remember before I moved, I went to
a random word in Cedar. Honestly, it was because one
of the ordnance workers was there and I knew that
I'd get to see her one more time. So that's
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one reason why I went. And then another reason is
that it was later in the day and I didn't
want to get up early. So anyway, I went to
this ward and one of the speakers was talking about
how he was at college and someone had just been
really kind and willing to share the Gospel with him
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and that had meant a lot to him. And while
he shared that, I felt the Spirit say to me,
I have a purpose for you, or I have a
plan for you. I can't remember if it was I
have a purpose or I have a plan for you,
or whatever it was. But I just had this idea
that in going to pro there would be a greater
plan for me than just going to this master's program
and just getting an education. And so that is something
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that I'm also keeping in mind, that God has a
plan for me here in Provo and that I need
to be here to do that. And then the other
thought that went through my mind is that I have
this wonderful, beautiful, amazing, incredible podcast. And I'm not giving
myself a compliment in that it's amazing, credible, all the things.
But what I'm trying to say is I already have
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this podcast that I have built for over three years now,
well close to three years, but for three years now,
and I have the opportunity to be a mouthpiece and
to share whatever inspiration and whatever inside I have with
lots of people at least fifteen It's gotten to the
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point where every single episode gets about well gets at
least fifteen listens. I mean some of them, like the
Suitcase I think only got nine lestens, but fair I
told people to skip that one. So anyway, at this point,
each episode gets at least fifteen listens, and then some
obviously get more and past ones get listens, and that's
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kind of crazy too anyway. So I'm at this point
where no matter what, the episode that I put out
will be listened to, which means that there's not necessarily
more pressure, because I don't necessarily feel pressured, but there's
more of a responsibility I feel to be responsible and
to be in tune with what I put out there,
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right because if I know that at least fifteen people,
you being one of them, is going to listen to
whatever episode I put out, then it needs to be
something that is praiseworthy, of good report and important. Right.
So then that went through my mind too that maybe
God isn't calling me to go on a traditional mission,
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but maybe he is calling me to be more purpose
full in what I record, in how I act, in
the promptings that I follow. And so that's why at
this current moment in time, it is a Monday and
I'm recording an episode instead of Tuesday at like one
am or Wednesday at one am. That's happened before and
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it's probably gonna happen again. But that's why right now
I am recording an episode because all of these thoughts
have been kind of going through my head today and
this weekend, and I've been overwhelmed with this idea that
I needed to be more purposeful in my life and
I need to just, I don't know, do more. And
actually this hasn't been an overwhelming thing, because you know
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how sometimes you feel called to do more, you feel
called to be more purposeful, and it just becomes really
overwhelming and you're like, man, you know, am I never
doing enough? I don't feel like that. I feel like
Heavenly Father is happy with where I'm at. But also
I know that my life could be better if I
chose very personally and purposefully to be more purposeful. Sergies
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that word again in my everyday actions last week. It
was really awesome. Other than Friday and Saturday when I
was at the YSA conference, I on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
and Thursday. Every single day I studied for more than
an hour. It was incredible, it really was, and that
time was split up in between reading the Book of
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Mormon and filling out the application challenge on one of
the verses, writing in my prayer journal, and praying too
heavenly Father, and then listening to conference talks and taking notes.
So all of that was in that hour every day,
and I really did feel happier and more satisfied and
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more I don't know, just purposeful, meaningful life was just
more satisfying to me. And I felt the ability to
feel the spirit. I felt my absolute threshold lower, which
means that it's easier to feel a spirit, and so
I was really grateful for that. And I decided that
even though school starts this week, and as you're listening
to this episode, school will start today on September three,
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if that's when this comes out and I don't put
it out tomorrow, I don't know. I don't think i'll
put it out tomorrow. If anything, i'll put an episode
out on Friday as well. I don't know. We'll see.
But I just feel called to do more, and I'm
okay with that. I'm not stressed out by that. In fact,
I think it makes what I've been doing more purposeful, because,
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like I told you, I have fifteen podcast titles just
waiting to be recorded, just waiting for me to follow
that inspiration in a couple of them, maybe like five
of them. That's more than a couple five of them.
I've had ideas for us for several months, for so long,
and I just haven't recorded them yet. And so I've
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decided now, and I'm committing myself, committing to you, to myself,
and to Heavenly Father, that I am going to be
more purpose full in this podcast, in my everyday interactions
with people, and in my education and in who I am.
Another thing that I learned this weekend at the Why
I Say conference is how important education is and how
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Heavenly Father wants us to learn and to grow. And
I thought, well, I'm doing that. I'm starting this master's
program on Wednesday, and I'm going to do that for
the next two years. And so I know that I'm
following God's plan, and I know that He's proud of me,
and he's he knows exactly where I am, and he's
grateful for where I am. But yeah, these weird thoughts
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of like wanting to serve a mission and needing to
serve a mission came into my mind. It just felt
very confusing. But I also have pondered a lot about
that and decided that once again, if I'm not married
and i am not pursuing a PhD at that time
that I will go and do whatever Hemley Father is
prompting me to do. And I can do that. So
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in the meantime, for the next two years at least,
I am going to do my very best to be
very meaningful in the podcast episodes that I put out
and in what I say to you, and in what
I put out into the world. Because another thing that
is really cool is that this podcast is low key
kind of global. Now, don't get me wrong. It's not
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consistently listened to over the seas, but it is listened
to over the seas. It's it's wild I have the
middle section, or I don't pay for the most cheapest one.
I pay for the next one anyway. And so because
of that, I can see the geolocation. I can see
the IP address. Well, I don't see any IP address,
but based on your IP address, it tells me where
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you are when you listen. And I mean it's not
super specific, as in like this is exactly where, this
is the pin point, but it's more like it's more
like this is the city, this is the state, or
if it's in a different country, it will tell me
it's in a different country. So I've had listeners from
Japan and Russia and South America. I mean, there's just
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been listeners from all over the place, and it's been
really cool to see that. So with all of that said,
I want you to know that I am going to
be more purposeful in what I put out, and I
hope that the content that I put out matters and
that it is meaningful, because that's what I want it
to be. I don't want to waste an episode anymore.
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There was some times I did, and I probably will
again at one point, but I want each episode to matter.
And so now it's been about twelve minutes I'm sure
not exactly twelve minutes, but about twelve minutes of me
just rambling about what's been going on in my head
this weekend. And now I need to actually pick one
of these titles to go through. So so I'm decided.
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So I've decided I'm going to read all these titles,
and it's highly likely I won't do them all. It's
highly likely i'll get inspiration to do something else and
maybe i'll combine them. Maybe i'll decide one of them
is not worth the episode or whatever. I don't know,
but just for funzies, I'm going to read these all
to you, and some of them I might do and
some of them I might not do, so just for fun.
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Here they are. My first one is practicing my dream job.
The second one is one fallen calendar at a time.
The next one is to find what Feels Lost. I
think that's one I'm going to do today, So to
find what feels lost that's going to be today's The
next one is more suggestions on how to support someone suffering.
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I already have an episode. I think it's one hundred
and fifteen, but I could be wrong. I'm not one
hundred percent sure what episode that is, but or maybe
one hundred and twelve. I don't know. There's an episode
called five Suggestions on how to support Someone's Struggling, and
that's out there, and so this episode would be kind
of a part two to that. And then I have
Warrior of Light. That one I've had in my to
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do list for months. It's been at least all summer,
so that's cute. The next one I also have had
for months, Trembling from Love. I will be getting to
those two at some point in time. The next one
I just had an idea, like a week ago or
so to just do a get to know me episode,
just a fun one where I answer questions and talk
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about who I am and what's important to me. But yeah,
we'll see if I end up doing that one or not.
The next one that I have is to Stand Immovable,
Prepared to Help. That's a fun that's a fun one.
I will do that one at some point in time.
I'm going to record an episode with someone else, someone
from my ward. I don't know when, but someday, and
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that one's going to be about women in the priesthood,
women in the church, women in the Book of Mormon,
and we're just gonna talk about that because that's what
her lesson was on and it was good. Another episode
I might do at some point in time. I don't
know when. It's just an update on my fitness journey.
I have an episode for part one titled mind and
Muscle and Motivation. I think that's what it is, Mind
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Muscle and Motivation. Anyway, that one is, I don't know
what episode it is and I haven't looked, but that's
in the past, and I might do a part two
to that. The next episode title that I have is
communication styles. One know what, what helps, what hurts, and
why it matters. I think that one's important. So at
some point in time I'm going to be recording that.
And then I have April twenty twenty five General Conference review. Yeah,
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I have no idea if I'm going to get to that.
I kind of feel bad because I have in the
past done reviews of General Conference. But at this point
it's almost October, so I feel like that one's a
little late. I don't know. We'll see, probably not to
be honest, but maybe. Then I have my prayer journal.
I was just going to talk more about what that
is and what I use it for and where the
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inspiration came from and what I've learned from it. And
then I have Crisis Response planning. I learned about that
in April and thought I would share it with my
listeners and with you, but I don't know. And then
I have after the a Men And to be honest
with you, that after the amn's probably not going to happen,
but it was. That's a cute idea when I got it,
So okay, So now that I've wasted fifteen minutes of
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your time and of your life, I am going to
talk about to find what feels lost and where that
came from. So not this last weekend. Oh, ps, I
went to the YSA conference concert on Saturday night. It
was Andy Grammer, and I was singing along to some
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of the music you Know Like You Do, which I
didn't actually know very many of the songs, but I
was singing along to the ones that I did know,
and cheering and stuff, and so my voice is kind
of not all the way there. So I hope that
my scratchy voice isn't annoying to you, and if it is,
I apologize. I'm sorry you wonder You are under no
obligation to listen to this episode, and you can just
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go listen to one of my other ones or something
I don't know. Okay, anyway, So to find what feels lost?
So then two weekends ago, so not this last weekend
at the YSAY conference, but the weekend before that, I
went on a Ward Lake trip and it was so
much fun. I really did have so much fun. I
loved getting to know people in my ward. I loved
getting to know my bishop. I loved tubing. I loved
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when we paddleboarded for a little bit. It was just
a really really fun trip. It was just one night.
Friday night. We had dinner Friday, we spent the night
Friday night. We also had a devotional. Saturday was late day,
so we had breakfasted lunch, and when we spent the
day at the lake and Bishop had a boat and
a couple other people had a boat, and so we
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tubed and you know, swamm did all those fun things. Anyway,
so after that, I guess I skipped on part that's
kind of funny. So I kind of accidentally established myself
as someone who gets to know names, gets to know
people and learns their name. So Bishop learned this about me,
and he would tease, not tease me, but maybe that,
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but he would test me just for fun. And so
he would point to someone and say, say her name,
say his name, what's his name, what's her name, what's
his name? And I knew everyone's name unless I hadn't
met them then I didn't know their name. In fact,
even just yesterday at church, which is two weeks since
this lake trip. Right anyway, at church after church, during
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munch and mingle or whatever, that he actually tested me
again and he was like, once she learned your name,
she's never gonna forget it, and I mean that's true
to a point. But anyway, so I accidentally established myself
as someone who knows names and learns names. And I
didn't mean to do that, Like I wasn't trying to,
I don't know, establish myself as anyone other than who
I am. But I did that because I wanted to
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learn everyone's name, and I did. I did learn everyone's name,
and that was really cool and luckily I still remember
them all. So that's another gift from God and one
that I'm really grateful for. Anyway, I did that, and
it was funny because like at one point I was
like Bishop, I'm next to you know, tube, and he
was like, okay, you can go next if you can
name these three people on the boat and I was
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like okay, so I did, and he was like, all right,
what's my mom's name? And I'm like, I don't know.
He just laughed and anyway, so yeah, it was good.
But then the other side of that is when you
go on a big trip with a whole bunch of
people and you're trying to get to know people and
people are trying to get to know you, do you
ever just feel lost, like you just kind of feel
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like you lost part of yourself or you're not you
don't feel like yourself. And I think, I really do
think part of it is just being in a big
group of people because there's less I mean, yes, of
course there's one on one interaction, and yes, of course
there's two on one interaction and all of the things
like that, of course. But I left that lake trip
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Saturday night driving home and I just felt really weird inside.
I felt not necessarily insecure, but a little bit and
I just felt weird. I just remember thinking, ugh, I
feel like I've lost part of myself. I don't feel
like me. And I had fun. But was I me?
Did I? Did I show the real did I show
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my real self? Was I was I a part of me?
Was I all of me? I just I don't know.
I drove home and I felt really weird. And so
the next day, it was Sunday. At this point, I
wrote down in my prayer journal, so while I was
praying Deadly Father, because that's been a really meaningful way
for me to talk to Deadly Father, and I really
look forward to doing that. It's like, I don't know,
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kneeling to pray kind of feels like a checklist item
and it's really hard for me. But when I think
about praying and writing out my prayers to Heavenly Father,
I get excited. I'm like, oh, I have so much
to tell it. So I've been really enjoying that anyway.
So as I was writing out a prayer to Heavenly Father,
I wrote down, I'm not reading this, by the way,
so this isn't word for word, but I wrote down,
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and I was praying Demley Father, and I said, I
feel like I lost a part of myself. I feel
like I'm missing I'm missing part of myself. I feel
like something feels lost. And as I wrote that, I
had a very clear impression in my mind of that
scripture or of that principle to lose yourself in Christ. Right,
it's that scripture about whoever shall seek his life shall
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lose it, and whoever shall lose his life shall find it.
And I was like, Okay, I can do that, and
so I wrote down, WHOA, I just got some inspirations,
some personal revelation from THEE. I am going to lose
myself in Christ. I am going to lose myself in service.
And I know if I do that, I will find myself.
And so I felt excited for that. I was like,
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all right, I can do that, and I felt a
little bit more revitalized about just everything. I was like,
all right, I feel less bad. And then I went
to church and it was wild. At church. The stake
president was visiting and he ended up saying a few
words at the end of sacrament meeting, and he talked
about that very principle about losing your life in order
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to preserve it in order to find it. And I
was shocked, like hear me out? All right? At church,
they don't just say that every week, Like that's not
just a normal thing that they say every week. That
isn't coincidental. No, this was very directly from God. Is
very directly. I mean it seems like a coincidence, Like whoa,
that's cool, you know, and obviously it's not a coincidence.
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But the stake president started talking about that very principle
about losing yourself in order to find yourself, and I
was like, whoa, twice in one day, this is really cool.
This is reinforcing that this is what God wants me
to do. And one thing that he was even talking
about and the President started sharing and I was like, dang,
I love this. He made the scriptures very applicable. He
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talked about Ammin, and Ammin if you don't remember, he's
from the Book of Mormon and he is the guy
who cut off arms and out of context. If you've
never read the Book of Mormon, that probably sounds really
concerning and confusing. But I promise it's a good story anyway. Well,
it's not just a story, it's real life. It happened,
I believe that. So Ammin goes and he's prompted to
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go to the Lamanites and prompted to be a missionary
and to teach and to convert them, right, And so
he goes and he decides he just he wants to
just get in the king's good graces, and he doesn't
want to announce who he is or what his plan
is or what his purpose is. He wants to instead
be a be of a service. Right. So, before Ammin comes,
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there is this job that some of King Lamonai's servants have,
and what they have to do is they have to
watch and shepherd the sheep. But the problem is that
several times people from outside of the Lamanites. I honestly
can't remember exactly what they're called or who they are,
but they come and they scatter the sheep. And every
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time they steal sheep and they scatter the sheep, those
servants have to go tell King Lamonai and he kills them.
He kills them every time. And so basically what happens
is when those sheep are scattered, when the sheep are stolen,
when they're scattered, it's a death sentence. It means those
servants are going to die because they failed in their job.
And so when Amin is told to go help these
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servants watch the sheep, he does so, right, he goes
and he watches the sheep, and of course those guys
come and they scatter the sheep, and I'm sure some
sheep are stolen. I don't know, but the keeper the
sheep are scattered, and the servants are like, we're dead,
we're goners. Goodbye, nice to meet you, but I guess
I guess we're leaving now. And Ammon's like, hey, what
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if we go gather the sheep? You know, he feels
prompted to gather them, and so the servants are like, oh, okay, yeah,
let's do it. So they gather the sheep, and as
they lose themselves finding the sheep, right, they are not
thinking about themselves. Well maybe they are, but as they
stop thinking about themselves and how they're going to die
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and instead focus on finding the sheep, and when they
find the sheep, they preserve their life. Right. So I
went into way more detail than the state president did
because I don't know if you've heard that story or
before it's heard it or not, But as they lose
their lives try to find the sheep, and focusing on
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the sheep, they preserve their life. And I was like, WHOA,
my mind's blown. So not only did the stake president
talk about losing your life in order to find it,
but he brought a very relevant scriptural example, and I
was like, oh, I love that. Okay, sounds good. So
then again this principle was reinforced. And the very next day,
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on Monday of last week, I was reading Mosiah too,
and on verse seventeen, it talks about serving others. And
I don't have it memorized and I don't have it out,
but basically it talks about how when you serve others,
you are serving God when you are in the service
of your fellow beings, you're only in the service of
your God. I didn't read that. I just mumble jumbled,
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So if that's not right, I'm sorry. But basically just
that when you serve God's children, when you serve others,
God is grateful and you are serving him right. And
so I clicked on that because I had an note
on it and one of the verses that I had
tagged was about losing and preserving your life Luke seventeen
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thirty three. And I was like, oh my gosh. In
two days now I have had this reinforced three times
and that felt amazing. I loved that. I was like,
that's freaking awesome. I love this. So I've thought even
more about this idea, and at this why Say conference
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this last weekend, it popped up a couple times. I'm
not kidding you. Different speakers mentioned it or talked about it,
and I was like, dank. And so I'm not going
to give too many details because it's pretty personal, but
something happened last week where my sister was a little
bit upset with me, and I was a little bit
hurt because I hadn't really necessarily done anything for her
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to be upset with me, but I didn't want to
blame her, because sometimes you just feel frustrated towards some
money you're not really sure why. I mean, if you've
listened to my mind, my podcast episode Cemented into my Heart,
or you've read the blog post Cemented into my Heart,
then you know that at one point in time, I
didn't have super comfortable positive feelings towards the Savior, and
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I didn't want that. I prayed every day for those
feelings to go away. I hated that. I hated it
so much, and I didn't know how to get rid
of those negative feelings. And so my sister had some
negative feelings towards me, and I was a little bit
hurt by that. But this weekend I had this idea
come to mind once again, to lose myself. And I
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pondered again and was like, oh, my goodness, it's not
about me. It's not about me. It never was. And
then I started thinking about how this probably felt from
her point of view, probably about how she felt isolated
because she had one less resource to talk when life
was hard, right she didn't want to call me, and
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how she felt frustrated that she wasn't able to get
rid of these feelings. And I just thought about this,
and suddenly this parallel came to mind of what I
used to feel, and I was like, oh, my goodness.
When I was impatient with how I felt, the Savior's
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hands were stretched out still. He never tired in his
efforts to reach out to me. He just patiently waited
till I was ready, and my mind was completely and
utterly blown. I was like, oh, my goodness. And so
since then I found a lot of peace. And my
sister is still dealing with some neutral feelings. She's kind
of gotten over the negative ones and has kind of
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had more neutral feelings now. But I can only think
about how grateful I am for the Savior. In fact,
at the Y I Say conference, we watched this video
of the Savior getting whipped wearing this crown of thorns,
not his crown of thorns, but you know the crown
of thorns that they put on his head before the career,
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fiction him carrying his cross and then them nailing him
to the cross and him hanging on the cross, And
as they were nailing his hands into the cross, I
started sobbing. I mean, I was sobbing and crying watching
this video, and I have this thought, how could I
ever not have loved this man? How could I ever
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not have been grateful for this eternal, infinite, everlasting sacrifice.
And don't get me wrong, I wasn't angry with my
past sell or frustrated with my past self or anything
like that. In fact, I remember my thought process, and
I remember it made sense at the time, and even
though I wanted to feel differently, I didn't know how.
But anyway, I just sat there and I thought, Wow,
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I love him, I love the Savior. I love Jesus Christ,
to love my older brother. And so all of this
goes to say that this weekend, and this past week
and two weeks ago, I suppose I've been thinking a
lot about losing myself in Christ. And this doesn't mean
that losing myself means I'm not of divine worth or
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that I don't have value, but it means to have
an outward mindset of looking at others as people and
serving them and stop focusing on me, you know. And
so I don't know what's going on in your life.
I don't know what is happening. I don't know what
individual things are happening to you each day and what's
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hard and whether you have friendship issues or whether you're
trying to raise your kids, or whether you're going to school,
or whether you are going to your work, going to
job your job or your work or whatever. I don't know,
but I invite you, in a very simple way, to
think about Christ and to lose yourself in Him. And
that doesn't mean that you're going to lose who you are.
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It means you're going to find who you really are,
a divine, eternal daughter or son of God. And that
is incredible. That is incredible, and I am grateful for that.
I want you to know that I have a testimony
in the Church of Jesus Christ a Lotter day Saints,
and that I know that God is infinitely antismally. I
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don't know if that's a word, but I'm gonna go
with it personally and individually, aware of us one by one,
and I know that as we focus on losing ourselves
to Him, to His Gospel, to Heavenly Father, that we
will never be the same and it will be a
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wonderful change. We will become new creatures in Christ. And
I'm excited for that. I can't wait to see the
change that keeps happening. And I know these things are
true in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen, thank you
so much for listening. Don't forget to embrace imperfection, find meaning,
satisfaction and joy from the journey. I'm Kira and this
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is imperfectly broken. The podcast The destatat Verty and Desta