November 26, 2025 • 16 mins
On November 21, an Indian Air Force Tejas fighter jet performing aerial manoeuvres at the Dubai Airshow crashed, killing its pilot, Wing Commander Namansh Syal. This is the second crash involving the indigenous aircraft in its 24-year history but the first to result in a fatality. The previous Tejas crash took place in Jaisalmer in March 2024 when the pilots ejected safely.
With the IAF ordering a court of inquiry, this bonus segment of In Our Defence sees host Dev Goswami and national security expert Sandeep Unnithan break down what the accident reveals about India’s indigenous defence production and the future of the Tejas programme.
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With the IAF ordering a court of inquiry, this bonus segment of In Our Defence sees host Dev Goswami and national security expert Sandeep Unnithan break down what the accident reveals about India’s indigenous defence production and the future of the Tejas programme.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is India Today Podcasts. Welcome to season three of
Our Defense, the podcast that takes you inside the world
of conflict. I'm your host, Deve Goswami and every week
I sit down with experts and retired officers from the Army,
Navy and Air Force to decode all things to do
(00:21):
with India security and explore what it truly means to serve.
Get ready for stories of strategy, sacrifice and strength. This
is in Our Defense. Welcome. This is not a regular
episode in Our Defense. This is actually a bonus sort
of a segment, you can say, because it's a topic
(00:43):
that is topic that just happened a couple of days ago,
and it's something that I think ready warrants discussing with
san because a lot of chatter has happened on social
media about this, some of it quite unfortunate. This is
to do with the tagous crash. Hayes on THEE how are.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You good they've and what a tragedy event. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So on twenty first November, UH in Indian Air Force
Stages fighter jet crashed while participating at the Dubay Show.
It was performing aerobatic maneuvers in the in the sky.
UH So what I can basically say to sort of,
you know, make it very clear, very very very simple,
flying a fighter jet is anyway risky business. These are
(01:24):
these are jets that fly faster than the speed of sound.
It's anyway risky. And then on the top of that,
you are performing maneuvers that are really you know, physical,
they sort of bend the laws of physics at times.
Unfortunately being come out of amanseal was flying that they
just died during the during the crash. Uh So I
want to discuss this crash, especially with the reaction that's
(01:47):
come after it in terms of what people have to
say about india stagous program in the first place. But
before we do that, then Deep, I want your initial
impressions of what you've seen in the air because because
it was an air show, you have many different angles
off the flight from takeoff till.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The unfortunate moment of the crash.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
A day or two later, I think it was Sunday,
you had perhaps the clearest footage we've seen of the crash,
thanks to an Instagram handle that usually posts aviation videos,
where you saw all the maneuvers that the wing commander
was trying to do in the air So when you
see those videos, what's your sense of what exactly may
have gone down?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, you know, firstly, I don't want to speculate too
much about this crash because there is a code of inquiry.
They will come out with the full details of what
really went wrong there. But whoever I spoke with, they
all started saying that, my god, this is exactly like
what happened with Joe Bukshee. And there was a very
sensational crash the Indian Air Force in nineteen eighty nine
(02:50):
here in Delhi where Wing Commander Joe Bukshi was flying
a mirage during the Air Force Day celebrations and he
was doing one of these roles and you know, he
was going up like that and then came down. He
was doing those spirals and he kind of misjudged the
(03:10):
height of the aircraft from the ground and that last
thing actually was fatal for him and he plunged into
the ground right there. So a lot of the pilots
I spoke to seem to suggest that this was what
actually happened. That you know, it's quite possible that there
was you know, he didn't have enough altitude to carry
(03:33):
out that last maneuver because those engines, his engines were
still firing when the engines was still on when the
plane you know, hit the ground. So we really don't
know what exactly happened, but it's possible that this is
exactly one of those scenarios that you know, he came
in too close and he hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I want to talk about, especially some the ejection aspect
of it. Many people have noted act fully so sorry
correctly so that you did not see any ejection taking
place in the videos, and this was confirmed with from
your sources who sort of reported in terms of how
the being commander was found.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But I want to.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Talk about ejection in terms of the fact that you know,
for me, it's something you can't really actually train for,
right right because you can train the you can learn
the theory of ejection, you can Loki concert, but it's
not something you would physically attempt during during during training.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Do not really this is something that pilots are trained for, Dave.
I mean all the time, and I have I have
friends who have multiple ejections. I mean I have at
least two friends who've ejected twice, you know, one in
the Air Force and one in the Navy. And these
are already split second decisions because they are reaction times,
you know, fighter pilots. And that is why why do
we send fighter pilots or test pilots into space, Because
(04:57):
being an astronaut means that you have to have the
ultimate fitness levels and reflexes and all of those, right,
and that comes when you're a test pilot. When you're
a fighter pilot, all of those those reflexes are really fine.
You and me may take a few minutes, you know.
I keep this keeps flashing on my mind when we're
sitting in the aircraft thing and you're given a safety briefing.
(05:20):
The air hostess comes and tells you this is what
to do in the you know, in case of an
emergency and all that, and you're always wondering that is
that guy over there going to actually do what she
actually mentioned, you know that, because a life of a
lot of people would be at stake over there. But
in the fighter pilot, there is absolutely no doubt in
your minds that he's going to react in seconds, right,
(05:41):
And an ejection like this, And why I think that
there was no attempted rejection is that it would the
sequence would have been as follows. If the pilot had
rejected from the ground, it was what is called a
zero zero ejection, right, zero speed, zero altitude, ejecting from
the ground. And there have been cases of pilots coming
(06:03):
in really low and ejecting. There was an F thirty five.
I think the most recent zero zero or near zero
zero was an F thirty five where the pilot kind
of figured there was something wrong and he ejected almost
at ground. But in this case that didn't happen. And
so there are questions which the Court of Inquiry answer
will answer. And so what happens is that when you
(06:23):
sense that there's trouble, you pull out those levers. When
those levers pulled, the canopy blows off. It's a very
quick sequence, just two seconds or something. The canopy blows off,
you have the rocket mottos on the seat fire, the
seat basically lifts off, you know with the rockets. Yeah,
it just takes off, and then a parachute is deployed.
(06:46):
So even if you are on the ground and you
take off, you would actually come land and you'd be safe.
Of course, you'd take a bit of a hammering over there.
And why I know this is that I mean I
saw many years back one of my friends, a childhood
friend of mine, actually died while attempting a low level ejection.
(07:08):
It's a very tragic incident and left in Commander Rahul Nayer.
This was in Second RaBaD about fifteen years back. He
was in a Suria Kiren aircraft which was sorry Sagar Pawan.
That was the Navy aerobatics team that was performing in
Second Rabba that was doing a display over there. And
(07:29):
my friend was sitting next to Commander Maria. There were
two pilots side by side seating and they Karen was
supposed to lie and come down in a bomb what
they call a bomb burst like this and then you know,
gain altitude. Now, they didn't get enough altitude. The plane
was flying all right, and he headed towards the building
(07:50):
and in that split second I could see that the
way the pilots reacted. Rahul immediately pulled his ejection seat,
he bailed out. The other pilot continued with the thing.
He plowed into the building. I think he tried to
struggle to save the aircraft. Raoul ejected. Unfortunately he didn't
have the altitude. He had a candle on his parachute
(08:12):
has and they didn't deploy fully and he fell on
high tension wires just a few feet off the grounds.
It's a very tragic case. So, you know, it is
one of those things in military aviation, and military aviation
is hazardous, right, aerobatics even more so because you're actually
challenging the envelopes the human bodies, you know, performance envelopes,
(08:35):
you know, multiple g's, negative g's, positive g's, all of that,
all in the matter of a few seconds. And then
you're you know, you're challenging the aircraft's performance envelopes. And
I mean, if you were to put say warning inside
an aircraft, it would just go off like a you know,
haund ending series of bells because they're not meant to
(08:56):
do these kind of you know, maneuvers. And but that's
the whole point of aerobatics, and that's why we will
possibly have to keep doing it with a lot of guardrails. Here.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
This is the second crash involving that they just fighter
jet since it attendered the Indian Air Force. The other
crash happened last year in Rajasthan if I'm not wrong,
where the pilot did manage to eject and survived.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Both pilots yeah, ejected.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Following this crash, unfortunately, there was a lot of chatter
on social media and elsewhere about the JUST program in
the first place. Questions being raised about the industan and
nottics limited capability abilities to manufacture a quality, perfect fighter jet,
questions that I think are valid with HL in other aspects,
(09:44):
but not really I think in this aspect. So your
thoughts on whether we should read anything into the program
at all with respect to this craft.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
As far as the performance of the aircraft is concerned
with the design of the aircraft or the engines. And
it's an outstanding aircraft, no doubt about it. It's a
great engine, it's a great aircraft. It's very well designed.
Whoever I've spoken to every stageous pilot i've spoken to
say that it's a dream to fly this machine. It's
like a pilot's dream, you know. And it's it's designed
(10:13):
with a lot of inputs that were taken from pilots
while it was being designed in the eighties and in
the nineties. So it is an aircraft that everybody loves
to fly, and it's a very reliable aircraft. The fact
that it has a g engine, which you know, powers
a lot of American frontline fighters like the F sixteen
and all that. So it's a very reliable, very capable machine.
(10:37):
Now the thing is that you will have, you know,
you will have people like that industrialist who I didn't
want a name, saying, oh, it's a big setback to
the program and all of that. That's idiotic. And you've
seen the kind of responses on social media that, look,
if one of your cars crashes, it doesn't mean that
it's the end of the program or anything like that.
So this is like, this is part of the course.
(10:58):
The fact is that you have had one accident, exactly
one accident in twenty four years of flying the theages
because of technical reasons, and we have another crash. We
don't know exactly what went wrong, but we also no
soon enough. Two crashes is too early to write off program.
(11:20):
So I think there is no question of us slowing
down or even stopping the aircraft. On the contrary, I think,
you know, as I've argued in my writings as well,
that if you want to honor Wing Commander namanz Sal's memory,
I think you should accelerate the program and we should
ensure that hindusan I are not Exhlimited should ensure that
(11:43):
those aircraft come on time in the numbers that they've promised.
They're promising eighteen and twenty and twenty four aircraft, those
numbers should come in. I think that is it's all
the more important that you get an aircraft like this,
an Indian designed modern aircraft with our it's SAP and that's.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Something we've discussed several times on our full fledged episodes
in our defense. Final thoughts on the on this on
this point is the decision of the organizers there to
carry on with the air show. Now, you know, this
is something I didn't really think of much. I was
in the newsroom when the crash happened, yeah, and I
think a couple of hours later the flash came in
through I think writers our associated press that flying had
(12:24):
resumed there. But it was late in the evening of
a year, so I didn't think much of it. It
was only the next day when I saw the Instagram
post of the team leader of the US contingent that
was there. I forget if he was from the Air
Force or from the US Navy, but he put up
a very emotional post where he said that they took
a decision the US contingent not to fly that evening
and to actually head back because they were He was
(12:47):
personally quite distressed with the decision to sort of carry on,
and he too, he talked about how just maybe just
a couple of hours after being come under h being
come under sild died, you had, you know, planes flying
up in the air, the crowds cheering.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Utterly insensitive on the part of the organizers. They've i mean,
there's no argument that you can put out that can
defend this kind of behavior. I mean they've said things like,
you know, the show must go on. That nonsense, that's
absolute nonsense. They should never have flown an aircraft after that.
I mean, this is the it's a mark of respect
to a person who's you know, departed, who's entertaining the
(13:24):
crowds over there. This this should have immediately stopped. They
should have stopped it. What would it cause them to
do that? Nothing. The message that they would have sent out,
you know, in a show of solidarity for the departed pilot,
that would have gone across the world. And today they're
shown up for what they are, you know, a bunch
of opportunistic guys. Organizers. It's almost like you know, you
(13:46):
call for you call guests to a party in your house.
Everyone's having a good time. One guest just drops dead
for various reasons, and the party continues. You say that, oh,
the party must continue. I'm sorry that one. We've just
lost one guest. And you know it's as insensitive as that.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, right, you know, yeah, I think my just thoughts
are with now with again, what the US pilots said,
The commander said, with the Indian crew that must be
on the ground, he said, actually he was studding right
next to them, he said, they were just a few
feet away from me. And his thoughts and now my
thoughts actually go to the crew, the mechanics over there,
the other officers who must have seen that happen in
(14:24):
real time, and.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
What must have gone on there absolute to see and
you have to give it. Even the Pakistani said, there
were a few voices that came out some saying voices
that came out from Pakistan which actually expressed some solidarity
with and you know that the flying for eternity, especially
the fight of flying and the aerobatics flying for eternity,
is united. In these moments. There is no time for
(14:48):
you know, name calling or you know, joking or something.
These are very serious issues and they understand it, and
which is why it's all the more baffling at how
the organizers didn't think of doing that. Could it have
taken them not to you know, fly aircraft? Uh, at
best a few people would have been disappointed on the ground,
that's it. But they would have sent out a very
(15:09):
big message if solidarity, which they didn't do, which betrays
a level of you know, insensitivity.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
YEA quite unfortunate, right. Thanks on the for this quick chat.
I think it was really important considering the discourse that's
been going on around this crash, and they just program
itself that we had this chart, So thanks.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
That's always did. Thank you and thanks it's always to
our lessons of viewers. Stay tuned for the full tradged
episode coming up very soon.
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This is India Today Podcasts. Welcome to season three of
Our Defense, the podcast that takes you inside the world
of conflict. I'm your host, Deve Goswami and every week
I sit down with experts and retired officers from the Army,
Navy and Air Force to decode all things to do
(00:21):
with India security and explore what it truly means to serve.
Get ready for stories of strategy, sacrifice and strength. This
is in Our Defense. Welcome. This is not a regular
episode in Our Defense. This is actually a bonus sort
of a segment, you can say, because it's a topic
(00:43):
that is topic that just happened a couple of days ago,
and it's something that I think ready warrants discussing with
san because a lot of chatter has happened on social
media about this, some of it quite unfortunate. This is
to do with the tagous crash. Hayes on THEE how are.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You good they've and what a tragedy event. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
So on twenty first November, UH in Indian Air Force
Stages fighter jet crashed while participating at the Dubay Show.
It was performing aerobatic maneuvers in the in the sky.
UH So what I can basically say to sort of,
you know, make it very clear, very very very simple,
flying a fighter jet is anyway risky business. These are
(01:24):
these are jets that fly faster than the speed of sound.
It's anyway risky. And then on the top of that,
you are performing maneuvers that are really you know, physical,
they sort of bend the laws of physics at times.
Unfortunately being come out of amanseal was flying that they
just died during the during the crash. Uh So I
want to discuss this crash, especially with the reaction that's
(01:47):
come after it in terms of what people have to
say about india stagous program in the first place. But
before we do that, then Deep, I want your initial
impressions of what you've seen in the air because because
it was an air show, you have many different angles
off the flight from takeoff till.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The unfortunate moment of the crash.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
A day or two later, I think it was Sunday,
you had perhaps the clearest footage we've seen of the crash,
thanks to an Instagram handle that usually posts aviation videos,
where you saw all the maneuvers that the wing commander
was trying to do in the air So when you
see those videos, what's your sense of what exactly may
have gone down?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, you know, firstly, I don't want to speculate too
much about this crash because there is a code of inquiry.
They will come out with the full details of what
really went wrong there. But whoever I spoke with, they
all started saying that, my god, this is exactly like
what happened with Joe Bukshee. And there was a very
sensational crash the Indian Air Force in nineteen eighty nine
(02:50):
here in Delhi where Wing Commander Joe Bukshi was flying
a mirage during the Air Force Day celebrations and he
was doing one of these roles and you know, he
was going up like that and then came down. He
was doing those spirals and he kind of misjudged the
(03:10):
height of the aircraft from the ground and that last
thing actually was fatal for him and he plunged into
the ground right there. So a lot of the pilots
I spoke to seem to suggest that this was what
actually happened. That you know, it's quite possible that there
was you know, he didn't have enough altitude to carry
(03:33):
out that last maneuver because those engines, his engines were
still firing when the engines was still on when the
plane you know, hit the ground. So we really don't
know what exactly happened, but it's possible that this is
exactly one of those scenarios that you know, he came
in too close and he hit the ground.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I want to talk about, especially some the ejection aspect
of it. Many people have noted act fully so sorry
correctly so that you did not see any ejection taking
place in the videos, and this was confirmed with from
your sources who sort of reported in terms of how
the being commander was found.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But I want to.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Talk about ejection in terms of the fact that you know,
for me, it's something you can't really actually train for,
right right because you can train the you can learn
the theory of ejection, you can Loki concert, but it's
not something you would physically attempt during during during training.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Do not really this is something that pilots are trained for, Dave.
I mean all the time, and I have I have
friends who have multiple ejections. I mean I have at
least two friends who've ejected twice, you know, one in
the Air Force and one in the Navy. And these
are already split second decisions because they are reaction times,
you know, fighter pilots. And that is why why do
we send fighter pilots or test pilots into space, Because
(04:57):
being an astronaut means that you have to have the
ultimate fitness levels and reflexes and all of those, right,
and that comes when you're a test pilot. When you're
a fighter pilot, all of those those reflexes are really fine.
You and me may take a few minutes, you know.
I keep this keeps flashing on my mind when we're
sitting in the aircraft thing and you're given a safety briefing.
(05:20):
The air hostess comes and tells you this is what
to do in the you know, in case of an
emergency and all that, and you're always wondering that is
that guy over there going to actually do what she
actually mentioned, you know that, because a life of a
lot of people would be at stake over there. But
in the fighter pilot, there is absolutely no doubt in
your minds that he's going to react in seconds, right,
(05:41):
And an ejection like this, And why I think that
there was no attempted rejection is that it would the
sequence would have been as follows. If the pilot had
rejected from the ground, it was what is called a
zero zero ejection, right, zero speed, zero altitude, ejecting from
the ground. And there have been cases of pilots coming
(06:03):
in really low and ejecting. There was an F thirty five.
I think the most recent zero zero or near zero
zero was an F thirty five where the pilot kind
of figured there was something wrong and he ejected almost
at ground. But in this case that didn't happen. And
so there are questions which the Court of Inquiry answer
will answer. And so what happens is that when you
(06:23):
sense that there's trouble, you pull out those levers. When
those levers pulled, the canopy blows off. It's a very
quick sequence, just two seconds or something. The canopy blows off,
you have the rocket mottos on the seat fire, the
seat basically lifts off, you know with the rockets. Yeah,
it just takes off, and then a parachute is deployed.
(06:46):
So even if you are on the ground and you
take off, you would actually come land and you'd be safe.
Of course, you'd take a bit of a hammering over there.
And why I know this is that I mean I
saw many years back one of my friends, a childhood
friend of mine, actually died while attempting a low level ejection.
(07:08):
It's a very tragic incident and left in Commander Rahul Nayer.
This was in Second RaBaD about fifteen years back. He
was in a Suria Kiren aircraft which was sorry Sagar Pawan.
That was the Navy aerobatics team that was performing in
Second Rabba that was doing a display over there. And
(07:29):
my friend was sitting next to Commander Maria. There were
two pilots side by side seating and they Karen was
supposed to lie and come down in a bomb what
they call a bomb burst like this and then you know,
gain altitude. Now, they didn't get enough altitude. The plane
was flying all right, and he headed towards the building
(07:50):
and in that split second I could see that the
way the pilots reacted. Rahul immediately pulled his ejection seat,
he bailed out. The other pilot continued with the thing.
He plowed into the building. I think he tried to
struggle to save the aircraft. Raoul ejected. Unfortunately he didn't
have the altitude. He had a candle on his parachute
(08:12):
has and they didn't deploy fully and he fell on
high tension wires just a few feet off the grounds.
It's a very tragic case. So, you know, it is
one of those things in military aviation, and military aviation
is hazardous, right, aerobatics even more so because you're actually
challenging the envelopes the human bodies, you know, performance envelopes,
(08:35):
you know, multiple g's, negative g's, positive g's, all of that,
all in the matter of a few seconds. And then
you're you know, you're challenging the aircraft's performance envelopes. And
I mean, if you were to put say warning inside
an aircraft, it would just go off like a you know,
haund ending series of bells because they're not meant to
(08:56):
do these kind of you know, maneuvers. And but that's
the whole point of aerobatics, and that's why we will
possibly have to keep doing it with a lot of guardrails. Here.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
This is the second crash involving that they just fighter
jet since it attendered the Indian Air Force. The other
crash happened last year in Rajasthan if I'm not wrong,
where the pilot did manage to eject and survived.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Both pilots yeah, ejected.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Following this crash, unfortunately, there was a lot of chatter
on social media and elsewhere about the JUST program in
the first place. Questions being raised about the industan and
nottics limited capability abilities to manufacture a quality, perfect fighter jet,
questions that I think are valid with HL in other aspects,
(09:44):
but not really I think in this aspect. So your
thoughts on whether we should read anything into the program
at all with respect to this craft.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
As far as the performance of the aircraft is concerned
with the design of the aircraft or the engines. And
it's an outstanding aircraft, no doubt about it. It's a
great engine, it's a great aircraft. It's very well designed.
Whoever I've spoken to every stageous pilot i've spoken to
say that it's a dream to fly this machine. It's
like a pilot's dream, you know. And it's it's designed
(10:13):
with a lot of inputs that were taken from pilots
while it was being designed in the eighties and in
the nineties. So it is an aircraft that everybody loves
to fly, and it's a very reliable aircraft. The fact
that it has a g engine, which you know, powers
a lot of American frontline fighters like the F sixteen
and all that. So it's a very reliable, very capable machine.
(10:37):
Now the thing is that you will have, you know,
you will have people like that industrialist who I didn't
want a name, saying, oh, it's a big setback to
the program and all of that. That's idiotic. And you've
seen the kind of responses on social media that, look,
if one of your cars crashes, it doesn't mean that
it's the end of the program or anything like that.
So this is like, this is part of the course.
(10:58):
The fact is that you have had one accident, exactly
one accident in twenty four years of flying the theages
because of technical reasons, and we have another crash. We
don't know exactly what went wrong, but we also no
soon enough. Two crashes is too early to write off program.
(11:20):
So I think there is no question of us slowing
down or even stopping the aircraft. On the contrary, I think,
you know, as I've argued in my writings as well,
that if you want to honor Wing Commander namanz Sal's memory,
I think you should accelerate the program and we should
ensure that hindusan I are not Exhlimited should ensure that
(11:43):
those aircraft come on time in the numbers that they've promised.
They're promising eighteen and twenty and twenty four aircraft, those
numbers should come in. I think that is it's all
the more important that you get an aircraft like this,
an Indian designed modern aircraft with our it's SAP and that's.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Something we've discussed several times on our full fledged episodes
in our defense. Final thoughts on the on this on
this point is the decision of the organizers there to
carry on with the air show. Now, you know, this
is something I didn't really think of much. I was
in the newsroom when the crash happened, yeah, and I
think a couple of hours later the flash came in
through I think writers our associated press that flying had
(12:24):
resumed there. But it was late in the evening of
a year, so I didn't think much of it. It
was only the next day when I saw the Instagram
post of the team leader of the US contingent that
was there. I forget if he was from the Air
Force or from the US Navy, but he put up
a very emotional post where he said that they took
a decision the US contingent not to fly that evening
and to actually head back because they were He was
(12:47):
personally quite distressed with the decision to sort of carry on,
and he too, he talked about how just maybe just
a couple of hours after being come under h being
come under sild died, you had, you know, planes flying
up in the air, the crowds cheering.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Utterly insensitive on the part of the organizers. They've i mean,
there's no argument that you can put out that can
defend this kind of behavior. I mean they've said things like,
you know, the show must go on. That nonsense, that's
absolute nonsense. They should never have flown an aircraft after that.
I mean, this is the it's a mark of respect
to a person who's you know, departed, who's entertaining the
(13:24):
crowds over there. This this should have immediately stopped. They
should have stopped it. What would it cause them to
do that? Nothing. The message that they would have sent out,
you know, in a show of solidarity for the departed pilot,
that would have gone across the world. And today they're
shown up for what they are, you know, a bunch
of opportunistic guys. Organizers. It's almost like you know, you
(13:46):
call for you call guests to a party in your house.
Everyone's having a good time. One guest just drops dead
for various reasons, and the party continues. You say that, oh,
the party must continue. I'm sorry that one. We've just
lost one guest. And you know it's as insensitive as that.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, right, you know, yeah, I think my just thoughts
are with now with again, what the US pilots said,
The commander said, with the Indian crew that must be
on the ground, he said, actually he was studding right
next to them, he said, they were just a few
feet away from me. And his thoughts and now my
thoughts actually go to the crew, the mechanics over there,
the other officers who must have seen that happen in
(14:24):
real time, and.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
What must have gone on there absolute to see and
you have to give it. Even the Pakistani said, there
were a few voices that came out some saying voices
that came out from Pakistan which actually expressed some solidarity
with and you know that the flying for eternity, especially
the fight of flying and the aerobatics flying for eternity,
is united. In these moments. There is no time for
(14:48):
you know, name calling or you know, joking or something.
These are very serious issues and they understand it, and
which is why it's all the more baffling at how
the organizers didn't think of doing that. Could it have
taken them not to you know, fly aircraft? Uh, at
best a few people would have been disappointed on the ground,
that's it. But they would have sent out a very
(15:09):
big message if solidarity, which they didn't do, which betrays
a level of you know, insensitivity.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
YEA quite unfortunate, right. Thanks on the for this quick chat.
I think it was really important considering the discourse that's
been going on around this crash, and they just program
itself that we had this chart, So thanks.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
That's always did. Thank you and thanks it's always to
our lessons of viewers. Stay tuned for the full tradged
episode coming up very soon.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
On another.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Ka Kaby.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Had episode.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Arch the Radio, Apple Podcast, Spotify, mer cob audio platform,
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Speaker 2 (16:11):
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