In The Arena - Show 37

In the Arena - Show 37. Brought to you by LifeVac. Hosted by Rick Fatscher. With special guests. Be sure to catch Mr. 3000, Ray Priebe, with news on the latest lives saved. The Man in the Arena airs live @ 6:30pm EST every Thursday night from Paradise Studios NY via the STRONGISLAND.COM Entertainment Network.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's no joke.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
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death cigad life back and God life back and life
lie back, Life back and.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Oh thank you, Mike grow.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Welcome to the Man in the Arena that I will
be Rick Thatcher along with Arthur Lee ceo, own inventor
of life back, and mister Patrick O'Rourke.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Gosh, the funniest guy that that I know.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Funny you don't know, well you won't.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
You took away my cable. Let me watch nothing. That
guy stinks.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
That guy stinks.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
That guy stinks.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Anyway.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:14):
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Speaker 5 (01:15):
Yes, yeah, that sounds like a tune.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
You know what else?

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Today coming up this week, we're taping on a Wednesday
for our Saturday shows, which is in La Houston, New York,
and Orlando.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
The happiest place on earth as far as we know.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I forgot?

Speaker 5 (01:34):
All right? Yeah, but we're growing and I'm very happy
that our Oh no.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Now I remember, I'm radioactive. That wasn't important.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
No teacher appreciation Day come up, That's what's so important.
And joe An Slone, a teacher, a physical education teacher
from Queens, New York, is going to join us and
we're going to celebrate him right about now, joe Antlone.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
How you guys doing.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
We're doing well. These guys are doing great. Me not
so much.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Have a little trouble. I need to speak to an
educator myself. Maybe not fizz ed, but maybe something in
the mental field.

Speaker 6 (02:13):
This change the most important subject.

Speaker 7 (02:16):
We all know that.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Absolutely so. Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
You know, I guess it's up to your students, but
we appreciate you as uh taking care of We're old
enough to have kids going, you know, being students. Do
you feel appreciated by the students these days?

Speaker 8 (02:36):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (02:36):
You know, truthfully, I love what I do. I wouldn't
change it for the world. The only other profession I
would not do what that I would do without being
a teacher would be playing short stuff for the Yankees.

Speaker 6 (02:46):
But I love That's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
The teaching is might not good.

Speaker 7 (02:53):
Well, I love what I do. My students, you know,
bless me every day. And like I said, I wouldn't
change after the world.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh that's awesome. And how long?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Give us a little bit of the background. How long
you been in education?

Speaker 7 (03:06):
So I've been in education since about twenty seventeen. I've
been in New York City schools in the doek since
twenty eighteen, and I work in Flushing, so I get
to teach health and physical education, primarily phized.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
But yeah, I've been in the DUE.

Speaker 7 (03:21):
Since twenty eighteen, which is it's flown by. You know,
I've seen a lot of a lot of craziness since
twenty eighteen with the pandemic and oh.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Right, that, Joe. If you I remember this from coaching,
and years later kids would come up and say something
like it, or I remember when you did this, or
you know this helped me, or you made it fun
and have you got that in your career where you
meet a kid later on and they point something out
that you did that you didn't even realize.

Speaker 7 (03:52):
Yeah, it actually happened to me last month, you know,
not for the first time, but where it really kind
of set in. I guess my wife and I are
expecting our first child of a different thank you. I
have a little bit of a different outlook on certain
things now. And one of one of my first students,
he was one of my first kindergarteners. Uh. He came

(04:13):
up to me after school and I remembered his name.
And I teach a lot of kids every single day,
so I remembered his name. He was much taller than me,
and he.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
Couldn't believe that I remembered his name. And he said, hey,
mister A, you know, I.

Speaker 7 (04:26):
Remember when we played this game and how much of
a difference it made and the way you explained, you know.

Speaker 6 (04:31):
About sportsmanship.

Speaker 7 (04:32):
He's like, and that's something that I kind of held
near and dear to my heart.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
And I looked at him and I was.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
Like, that's crazy, you know, something so simple that you know,
I didn't really think made an impact. You know, this
kid came up to me he's well in you know,
high school, eleventh or twelfth grade, and the simple fact
that I remember his name he was. He was flabbergasted,
and it made me feel good too, because it makes
you feel like you're doing something right.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Well. I think it's in teacher appreciation. It shows that
impact that they do have. I I can remember I
could play basketball, mister McGovern. I can remember Missus Kane
telling me how I wrote. I read. Yeah, I read
these things. I remember Missus Oh god, Colleen, she took

(05:16):
one of my papers and told me, you know how
it was good, Madame Tyler, Missus Tyler, for sure. But
I think that in teacher appreciation is that when we
grow up and we remember those moments, that we should
remember them when we thank our teachers for the job
they do. And Joe just said, you know something he

(05:38):
didn't really think too much about. Do you guys have
any of those memory? Sure.

Speaker 9 (05:42):
I have had an eighth grade soul studies teacher named
mister Hardick and McKenna, and he was great. It's just
everything about his class made me very interested in social studies.
And then years later we're getting married, you know, prekainab
or before you get so we go to this house
and I walk in and.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
There he is.

Speaker 9 (05:58):
He does pretaina with his wife. I said, the least
I go, this is the guy I always talk about.
This is the guy you know teachers that affected your life.
And he was thrilled. He was like, oh, thanks so much.
And we haven't stayed in touch, but what it was,
it was like a It was a great moment for
him too. When we were in touch for the whole
time between that and was getting married. He was very
nice to me. But he's just a teacher. I always

(06:18):
remembered always his class was different to me and maybe
loved this subject.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
You well, a lot of us were in touch today
talking about this show, and one teacher came to mind
because he stood out amongst a great number of us,
Ray Han, who was an earth science teacher, and we
still talk about his class, and saw an article about
him and we just bonded.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
I mean, he.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Broke the norm, like he wasn't the run of the
mill going through the motions guy. He was very animated.
Class to class people weren't even the same class, would
talk about, you know, their experience, and.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Everyone did an imitation of him very serene. Mister Hahn.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
He would call you this.

Speaker 9 (07:02):
Rick and I have a lot in common where we
lost our both lost our dads when we're young. So
coaches were like father figures to us, more than more
than the average person, because.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
You know, we both grew up with you know, without
a father. Some Catillo and.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Bela. There's the Bev so the real Seinfel right, because
he's the Massive Peak Jim coach. Yes he was. Have
you had him?

Speaker 9 (07:23):
Both had him Adam for wrestling in like seventh eighth grade,
and my brother Jimmy had him for He was a
wrestling coach all through his career.

Speaker 10 (07:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
And was he a good coach?

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Excellent coach, Hall of fame, hall of fame wrestling coach,
that's all.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
But do you remember them name? Mister?

Speaker 11 (07:39):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (07:39):
Yeah, I vaguely remember it. I would pay you, I
would the losing end of the mate.

Speaker 9 (07:48):
You're probably more money with Mims, right, coach Mims. He
is a wrestling coach.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well did you play in high school?

Speaker 6 (07:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (07:58):
I played baseball in high school and Massive Peak was
coming off of a county championship every year.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
Them and them and MacArthur in Levittown, so often on
the losing the losing end.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
But Massa Peak was always, you know, been a powerhouse
and in pretty much every aspect of of athletics.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Yeah, do you carry the way in on the Chief,
on the on the subject of the Chiefs, which is
getting a lot of attention these days.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
We got to leave the chiefs the way they are.

Speaker 7 (08:31):
You know, it's it's once again, it's Long Island history.
You know, Long Island was was was founded by Native
Americans all those years ago, and I think it's just
the way of paying homage to them. You know, we
don't always have to necessarily dissect everything with with a microscope.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
But that's just my personal opinion.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
You know. I I have very fond memories just being
in Massive Peak.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
As a kid.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
You know, you got all American there. It's a great town,
I know, and I were looking.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
That's why We're Sports mentioned it after the show tonight.

Speaker 9 (08:59):
Yeah, I just I find Irnic the vocal as her CEO.
Get rid of the name she heards education CEO, chief
operating officer.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Get rid of the name chief.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Are you serious? It's all ridiculous. That's why we gotta
stay in the arena because I think the path that
we were on talking about with Joe having a child,
a kid come up and explain that the usefulness of
his efforts right his teaching, and us all remembering it
that when we get this new world of attacking the teacher,

(09:32):
didn't do the teacher going to go to school. I
mean I sat, I boycotted my class in fifth grade,
didn't go in. My parents never went. It was like
too bad, you know, And I think that we need
to appreciate our teachers. And when we're ready to go
after him and say you didn't teach Billy right or
you said something, remember those moments like we just did

(09:55):
about a teacher that helped us and.

Speaker 9 (09:57):
Our parents didn't fall for that. You were terrified if
to teach you called home. Yeah, now that you can teach,
you how home and they take the kid's side.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah yeah, Hey Joe, talk about your experience with life
back this question.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Yeah all right? Cool. So I have two life backs
at home.

Speaker 7 (10:16):
Luckily I know how to use them, but I've never
used them, which is a good thing.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (10:22):
Oh, I have a special needs brother in law who
actually had a traumatic brain injury, and he's always keeping
us on our toes and he often chokes.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
On his food.

Speaker 7 (10:32):
And one thing my mother in law did, since we
have you know, little kids all over the family, she
bought everyone.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
A life back a couple of years ago.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
For Christmas and said, hey, listen, this is something that
we just want to have, you know, God forbid, just
just in case. My brother in law is six four,
he's over two hundred and twenty five pounds.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
You know, I like to think that I'm you know,
I'm a gym rat.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
I go to the gym every day, but you know,
some days, trying to get him up, God forbid if
he's choking, is not exactly I and and a lot
of old traditional ways of using you know, the Heimlich
and all that stuff. Share This life back is is
completely game changing. And it really has done so much
you know, good in its in its purpose. And one

(11:15):
of my good friends who's also a teacher who lives
in Massapigua, ironically, he actually had to use it on
his daughter quite a few years ago, and ever since
he said that he used it on his daughter, I
went out and bought one before my mother and got
one for me and just said, hey, listen, this is
just the just in case, just in case insurance policy here,
and you know, like I said, I I commend you guys.

(11:36):
It's it's a great product and it really does a
lot of good.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Well, Joe, I appreciate you saying you hit a lot
of the heartfelt reasons behind it. You know, people that
may not be able to be saved because of their
size or their physical disability, the peace of mind. And
I was just thinking, I don't know if we asked,
but I think we're at sixty seven school saves with
someone in school because it's very dang, Joe, Now you

(11:59):
know they got to eat quick. They're laughing. It's a
perfect environment. They have small wind pipes because they're not
matured yet. And sixty seven kids have been saved in school.
Well with life that.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
That we know about.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Yeah, that's right, that's right, and you know that. I
think teacher appreciation. I appreciate Joe telling that story absolutely. Joe.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I have a brother in law. I have a brother
in law named Rondy Angelo.

Speaker 9 (12:23):
He's been a teacher over at Birch Lane for about
fifteen years and he said, this is what's going to
happen next. He goes, Now, I have kids I taught,
coming into the teaching system and teaching in my schools
and coming into substitute teachers and getting full time jobs
and saying to him, you know, you know one of
the reasons I went into.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
The teaching fields.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
How cool is that.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
I'm sure that'll happen to you two.

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Yeah, that's that's exactly it.

Speaker 7 (12:43):
I know, I have a couple of teachers in mind
that I still keep in touch with on social media,
you know, and and I let them know that all
the time because it.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
Is true, you know.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
So I hopefully, you know, one day I'm blessed enough
to have that. But I do have a good report
of my students. And you know, it's like I said,
I love what I do and I wouldn't trade it
for anything unless I'm playing short.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Stuff for the most of shortstop again, what are you having?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Where a girl?

Speaker 6 (13:09):
Uh? So we're having a boy. I could not could
not be happy.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
I was short stop with the girl.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, you want a boy first, because then you go
get your sister. I'm not going to that party. If
I go there, I'll get in trouble.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. The boy. The boy will take care.

Speaker 7 (13:24):
Of, you know, his younger siblings. But yeah, I'm very,
very very excited. You know, getting the room ready and everything.
So it's kind of setting in down the babies do
on on August twenty fourth, which is actually my favorite number.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
Twenty four is my favorite number. It's just you know,
it's pretty cool.

Speaker 7 (13:40):
Everything's working itself out.

Speaker 9 (13:41):
Well, we'll be well passed four thousand saves by August
twenty fourth, maybe even five thousand.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
I like that that would change it really. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Well, Joe Anselone, you're I can go out on a
limit say you're one of our favorite educators. Yeah, why not,
Joe Anselone. Everybody thanks so much. Uh teacher a preaching
as week what's the school again that you work at?

Speaker 7 (14:05):
One?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Right?

Speaker 4 (14:07):
PS one sixty three and Flushing Heights. So this school
this Sunday, it's going to be between twelve one. You're
gonna be on w O R A M seven ten.
So well, you look forward to hearing hearing yourself this weekend. Awesome, Joe,
thanks again.

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Thank you very much. Can say you're.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
You're with Joe and.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Sloon and now we're not but Paddle Rourke, Rick Fcher
and Arthur Lee will be back with more of Man
in the Arena.

Speaker 10 (14:32):
After this message, she started to choke on a piece
of candy.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
She wasn't breathing. Then Ray reached for the life back
and it saved her.

Speaker 12 (14:53):
She could have easily died that day. A life back
saved her life. What I would say is, don't need
a life fact and not have it, have a life back,
and hopefully never need it.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
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Speaker 4 (15:19):
Hey, everybody, we're back on the man in the arena,
I'll put my headset back on. I remained Rick Thatcher
along with paddle Rock and Arthur Lee ceo inventor of
life back, and we were talking for the moment with
Joe Anseloon, an educator for teacher appreciation, I think it's
just a day.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
I wish you almost wish actually only a period if
it was fourth period AD lunch. But if there wasn't
the pressing matter to discuss this whole China situation, I
would it wouldn't be nice to talk more about it.
Because when we were sharing stories, it brought to mind
how we do appreciate them. Of course, we need to
back off when we're critical to remember that. You know,

(15:59):
we all are impacted by it. But we we have
to fry this fish because it's a biggie.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
No doubt.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
And it's and it's not like we can't revisit those
topics because they are near.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
The antel ie. So no, you're right, did I say
it again?

Speaker 4 (16:14):
God's sake, man, I should get docked every time I
say that word. It's right there in the title of
the book, and I keep ignoring it again and.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Again and again. Someone can't remember it.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
So the man in the arena, please tell us about
this woman that we were just introduced to. We're going
to talk about I mean, it's happening more and more.
Where we talk about the patent, we talk about fairness,
we talk about patent infringement, all this.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
We're going to talk about our situation with First it's
last night. I saw the commercial right and we the
new awareness is giving me hope another commercial.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
You did a commercial about the knockoholus and now a
hose company says the same thing.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
And to me, it's hope that this situation is finally
coming to light. Now it doesn't necessarily tariffs whatever that find.
I don't know enough about it, but I do know
is the problem with into intellectual property theft and the
devastating effects of them being able to find successful copy

(17:21):
ignore laws, patent, FDA, FTC, every law we have and
decimate that market and.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Steal all that and crush the entrepreneur.

Speaker 5 (17:31):
Yea, and crush the entrepreneur. The woman that's coming on
I just got a quick note from because Laura was
kind enough to find her and her story is very painful.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, before we get to Molly, let's just run this
commercial because it's brief. Let's run this Patriot commercial that
that kind of happy to hear its bullet.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
American coupper bullet product.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
Bull free back down to a pocket sized hose now
which we have patents sales, Billy, is that the rights
of American companies And there's not much we can tell
and many don't even take crazy the original pocket What
we can do while supplies last or.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Now cares right, but what was the same commercial?

Speaker 5 (18:22):
But with us, we we have to do something. And
you know you don't die from getting the knock off host.
It's wrong. It shouldn't happen. Or we should protect our
our American entrepreneurs, but you won't die. Our problem is
these things will kill you, and we have to we
have to to tackle this problem. ABC is a dangerous

(18:45):
products that are illegal, and then we we certainly should
look at better protection for our our Americans that are
coming up with something, working to get it popular, working
to get it sold, and then getting wiped out because
they come in and that don't have any of the
costs associated with doing it or marketing it.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Or all the hard work.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
All.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah. But see they We've always thought like China's cheaper, right,
but that's not the thing. They don't have to develop,
they don't have to market. They just like with us,
they just they take our videos that we pay to do,
they take our data that we paid to get. They
ignore the FDA that costs money. So the reason it's
cheaper is because they don't have to do any of

(19:29):
the work nor the marketing, which is a huge expense
that that commercial they just ran, it's like seven thousand
dollars for thirty seconds. Now you go you google their product,
you see the same thing for ten dollars less than
you buy it. You just they didn't spend the money.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
I did a Google search, got an eight hundred number.
You were with me.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
I'm not convinced that I was talking in that company.
I want to talk to someone in marketing. Okay, yeah,
I'm the person.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
And they didn't sound like the person.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Did not at all, not at all. But I noticed it.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
And for those listening at home out on iHeart iHeartRadio
or I think the radio station's LA Houston Orlando, you
have with you, you're mentioning like not only the notes today,
but actual products that have been received through the Internet
that are knockoffs. Some look dangerously close to that, others

(20:23):
are clearly not.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Look at this plastic Bizuka looking thing is just one
of the many examples of the depth of this problem.
But once again that it's important to note and you
need your mind because it's the typical story of how
you get destroyed. But these are illegal and they're still

(20:45):
on for sale right This cannot be sold in the
United States until it's FDA registered and what it has
to go through its quantification qualifications with the FDA, So
it's against the law. And there's hundreds of them.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's like you buy it in a section of Spencer's. Yeah,
really mean talk about college boys.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
What do you mean, Spencer, I don't know. I don't
know what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Would you be speaking of.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Listen, we should go to Molly and Molly mets joining us,
you guys.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
I wanted to lag, Yes, how are you?

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Molly?

Speaker 3 (21:22):
All the way from Colorado?

Speaker 11 (21:24):
All the way from Colorado.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Quickly. I don't know the full story of hearing it
said as it is, but really grateful Molly for you
to come on and share this so that hopefully we
can get changed and at least educate the poor people
I think they're going to this situation.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
And how much does Laura Bonelli owe you for disappearance?

Speaker 11 (21:51):
Just ten?

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Ten?

Speaker 11 (21:53):
Ten life acts is all I need?

Speaker 5 (21:55):
Easy?

Speaker 11 (21:55):
Yeah, okay, okay, I do know what any of the knockoffs?
If this is quick. We just talked today, literally like
two hours ago, and she said, would you be available
for a podcast? And I said, of course. I love
listening to you guys right now, because you're talking about

(22:15):
obviously something near and dear to my heart, which is
you know, infringement, and that's not near and dear. But
I've kind of been there, done that, and maybe I
just quickly tell you who I am. I am a
five time world jump rope champion. I started jump rope
when I was seven years old. Love listening to you
guys talking about sports. I also play softball. I'm a
left fielder, not a short stop, but I grew up

(22:40):
as a jock and passionate about competitive jump rope. I
know that's a quirky sport, but I literally kind of
paid the way and jump rope. In two thousand and seven,
I quit my job and I decided I wanted to
have a jump rope business. So I started working with kids,
and I took my world championships, and I kept competing
at the time, and I designed a jump rope technology
so I could go and quicker in the sports. Little

(23:02):
did I know that I was going to create the
next best jump rope literally in the world, for for
all sports. So two thousand and seven eight I applied
for a US patent. I got two that it takes
a long time to get a patent, you know, in
my case, four years, about forty thousand dollars. Yeah, you
guys says something interesting, you know, and I'm going to

(23:24):
jump ahead. But when somebody steals they don't have to
do all the R and D. I mean its years.
We're experts in what we do, the time, the research,
the testing, you know, and then the patent process, and
they're just waiting over there, right, like, okay, I can't
wait till they.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, keep going, Molly, I was successful. I was pretending
to be Yeah, I was pretending to be the China. Yeah,
the CROs.

Speaker 11 (23:50):
Right, I mean they love that. They're just waiting for
the experts in their garage, in their gym, you know.
And I'm proud I'm an expert. I'm proud you guys
are an expert. But so going back to that time,
you don't know when you're creating the next best thing,
next thing. I know, it's twenty twelve and I have
over one hundred and fifty infringers. That's a lot of
people stealing. And when you don't do anything about it,

(24:11):
your sales go down, the integrity of your product goes down.
So finally, in twenty fifteen, I'm jumping ahead just to
make this quick. I stop doing everything I love, which
is coaching kids, you know, I close down my shop
and I get an attorney, and I'm like, I'm going
to fight, right, you have to fight these guys, and

(24:32):
you guys said earlier, it's hard to do. It's almost
impossible to do. But if you put all your you know,
chips in, you can do it. So for three years
I fought those infringers, Amazon shops, you know, the little
mom and shops here and there. I got ITC recognition
for all the viewers out there. What that means is,
I'm a US made and manufacturing company. I'm proud of that.

(24:52):
But the ITC will help stop imports coming from overseas
and in my case, China, So there was a band
stop of my jump ropes coming over. That's a big deal.
So I did all that leg work and I set
up all these licensing deals and finally in twenty eighteen,
I go for my largest infringer, my last one. They've

(25:13):
sold probably hundreds of millions of jump ropes, right, so
they're the big guy. I go in, I go to
sue them. I go to court, and the court says,
you know, we're going to stay this case and f
anty viewers, that means we're just going to put on hold.
And Rogue got to put in what's called an IPR.
And I've learned that about ninety percent of cases like

(25:33):
mine are put on hold and they go to this
IPR process, and basically my infringement case, where I have
all this evidence that they've stolen my jump rope technology,
I don't get to talk about that anymore. I have
to now prove the validity of my patents. So you
guys have to imagine at this point, this should be easy, right,
I have itc recognition, I've gone years, I have all

(25:54):
these licensing deals. So I go to this administrative court
called the p TAB, the Patent Trial and Appeal Board,
and about I don't know, i'll call it. Six months
into the process, we get our final written decision back
and both my patents are canceled. And I'm asking my
attorneys what just happened? How did my patents just get canceled?
And they said, okay, there's a mistake. They did this wrong.

(26:16):
We appealed, We go to the federal courts. I get
a ruling, it's called a rule thirty six. It's like
two days later. I didn't get a true appeal. So
long story short, and I'm doing this fast. That all
process took about four years. I spent five hundred thousand
dollars trying to prove the validity of my patents. So

(26:36):
I got my patents got canceled. The moment that Rod
put in for the IPR, I lost all my licensing deals,
which meant all the money that I was putting towards
that effort were gone. And at the end of all
of it, I found the US inventor and I said,
this just happened to me. This is what's going on.
And I found out there's thousands of other inventors in

(26:58):
the United States who have lost and had their patents
canceled through this process. And I've learned that eighty four
percent of the patents that are adjudicated at the p
TAB you lose your patents. And so I don't know
if you guys know this, but in district court, validity
of your patents can come up along with infringement, and
the invalidity rate is around twenty percent. Don't you think

(27:19):
eighty four percent is quite high?

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Yeah, a little bit, Okay, So what.

Speaker 11 (27:23):
You'll learn is in twenty twelve, Congress passed a bill
called the America Invents Act. And what that did is
it created the Patent Trial and Appeal Board. It was
supposed to be a faster cheaper alternative for court litigation
for infringement. The keyword there is alternative. As an inventor,
you have no choice. You are automatically sent to the

(27:44):
p TAB. You have no voice, you have no due process,
you have no judge, you have no jury, you never
get to talk about infringement. And it's just a biased,
hindsight process. I've just learned so much about this in
the life last three years. It's disgusting and it's killing
American innovation. I had forty five employees. I have one employee.

(28:08):
Now my products made in America. All my employees, don't
you know, they're gone. Rogue sources about eighty percent of
their jump ropes from China, of course, and they're still selling.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
So here, I am, Was there ever a reason given
for the cancelation of your patent?

Speaker 6 (28:26):
Yep?

Speaker 11 (28:27):
So here you have my jump rope. This is a pen. Yeah,
I know, it's pretty cool. They'll take a car part
that looks a lot like the end of my jump rope,
and they'll say, look at this car part. Doesn't it
look like the end of her jump rope? And doesn't
this jump rope over here from the nineteen seventies kind
of have the same thing going on. Isn't it obvious

(28:48):
that Molly would have made this jump rope? And they're like, yeah,
it's obvious. My point is is that's how easy it
is to invalidate a patent. I have dozens of inventors
who can come on this show. They will explain other
patents were invalidated. You will find it ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Well, you know, you know what I've noticed, it's almost
the patent itself is almost worthless because you went through
the extreme because you are a human and you are
a fighter, and you believe in our country and our system.
The problem is not everyone even considers fighting that hard right,
because what happens is they just knock you off Copyr.

(29:26):
They don't care that you have a patent. You would
technically that they were here. You would go against the company,
right and see you and friends on my patent, and
you would litigate against them. They're all in China, so
you don't have the option to face your your the
company that's infringing upon you and forget about the fact

(29:47):
that then they pick it apart to do what they
did to you. But I think the whole protection of
the patent has just disintegrated, like it's virtually worthless.

Speaker 11 (29:59):
Since two thousand and seven, our patent law has been decimated.
Two thousand and seven there was a Supreme Court decision
that got rid of injunctions. Twenty twelve created the p
TAB which invalidates patents. Twenty fourteen there was another Supreme
Court case that you know, messed with software patents, and
in twenty seventeen they now deemed our patent rights not

(30:21):
a private right anymore, but a public right. So yes,
they have definitely done that. You said something about fighting.
Fighting you're in fringe here these days is nearly impossible.
Imagine being an attorney and knowing that the chances of
going to court and getting it stayed and being sent
to the p TAB and having your patents invalidated. Why

(30:42):
would you take that case as an attorney? So inventers
are not getting attorneys, they can't find anyone on contingency,
so it's just impossible to fight.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Well, I think it goes back in our product. Is
not only the patent being infringed and I've almost come
to the fact that it's worthless, but that they circumvent
FD eight, They circument safety laws rules, interstate commerce they're
breaking the law. Forget about mind patent. These products are

(31:13):
not legal and they're still being sold by the thousands.
So you can tell that the system is extremely broken
by the fact that not only do I have baton,
but they're not even supposed to be able to sell
them legally anyway. So it wouldn't exactly.

Speaker 11 (31:30):
I mean, it's just turned into this huge you know,
I think by weakening the patent system, it's also just
weakening infringer. How do I say, it's allowing for its
condoning people to steal at even a greater rate. I
don't know if you knew this, but if you're being
infringed on, you have counterfeits, right, are they coming from China?

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:51):
A lot.

Speaker 11 (31:51):
I don't know if you know this, but with the
United States is the only country in the world who
has this pe TAB court, you're China infringer even if
you do anything about it. Your their counterfeits and all
of that. Let's say let's say you did something about it,
they can go and they can go to the p
TAB whenever they want, and they can go to invalidate
your patents.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
No, I've kind of given up.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Why was this even set up. It sounds so corrupticulous.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Well guess why because the patent office is now owned
by the Chinese, per their ability to take patents. So
to me, the patents isn't.

Speaker 9 (32:25):
Like any trust us when the American government can come
in and go, they shouldn't be running this.

Speaker 11 (32:28):
What it surprised you guys to know who lobbied for
that bill years before. It's all the big tech companies today.
That's what got them big today is our patent system.
It's like they climbed the ladder. And my husband always
says this, they climbed the ladder and they pulled it
up behind them. They don't want you and I in
our garage to grow big and be the next best thing.
I mean, doesn't that just make sense?

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Well, plus the you know, the system is designed this
to them to such a beautiful thing. Like you said,
we put in the work, we do the marketing, we
grow the market, we get interest, we get the things selling,
and they go okay, thank you, and then they zooping
and without all that cost, decimate your brand. But like
I said, in our case, it's also illegal because they're

(33:12):
violating the FDA and our safety guidelines. But I'm hoping
in your story for people to hear and that you
know that guy's running a commercial pointing it out. The
problem when you fight in a vacuum is just like
when your parents would say because I said so, and
you're like, well, what do I do to fight that? Right?
You're fighting in a vacuum. We need the public to

(33:34):
be aware of what's happening. Fifty five percent of sellers
on Amazon are Chinese, seventy seven percent of new sellers
are Chinese. So they're going to decimate our industry by
knocking off things that are successful. They don't steal things
that don't sell. That's the remaining thirty percent of Amazon, the.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Real bentrating on the answer, Well, they don't bother if
you don't hit a million dollars US and sales, and
they don't knock you off.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
As soon as you do, they swoop in and wipe
you out. So you know, we we have to raise awareness.
We have I will fight till the death because this
thing is going to kill someone. And that's my problem.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Again for that, Yeah, holding up a very substandard product.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
But it's one thing to steal my product, and I
we fight you like you did. I have to fight
because these dangerous, ridiculous products that are out there are
going to kill someone. But it's scary real quick just
because it sounds so cool. What is competitive jump roping?

Speaker 13 (34:33):
Like?

Speaker 5 (34:33):
What is that? Like? I used to do the box
and I used to spin. I used to be able
to do the flippy thing. That was it.

Speaker 11 (34:40):
Yeah, no, that's great and I'm glad you asked. Not
everyone asks.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
So when I competed that that's looking up videos.

Speaker 11 (34:47):
You are, oh, yeah, we can look at videos. I
don't compete anymore, but you can think of a jump
rope competition. It's sort of like a gymnast, you know,
they have their different entities like beam and floor. So
a jump roper has three different entities that they have
to to sort of work on. The first one is
a freestyle event, and so that would be you know,
you're crossing your arms under your legs behind your back,

(35:07):
you're doing gymnastics, and there's music choreographed to it. That
was not my favorite thing, but it is quite cool
to watch. The second one is called our power event.
It's called a triple under. When you jump up in
the air, the rope has to pass under your feet
three times. You land and then you do it again
again and again consecutively, so you get one chance you
go on the floor. If you did two, you did two.

(35:29):
But right now the world record is sitting over five
hundred triple unders in a.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Row wine five.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Where do you stand with that?

Speaker 11 (35:38):
I'm old, But my record back in the day was
one hundred and seventy five, which was quite good back then.
And the five hundred is the male I think the women.
I think the women record is around four fifty. So
it's it's it's good.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Well, you mentioned two genders.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
I'm just curious, do you have any situations.

Speaker 11 (35:58):
I don't work in the organization. I used to it
on the board for the International Rope Skiping Organization, so
I don't think so, I don't know. So it's a
good question why you could ask those questions.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Just kidding still too.

Speaker 11 (36:11):
They're still too as far as I know, they're like, yeah,
but funny story, not funny. Probably a black I don't know.
Two thousand and five to ten, the women were faster
than the men. Yeah, yeah, anyway. The last event is
called a speed event. You alternate your feet as fast
as you can. It's a thirty second sprint and a

(36:31):
three minute spit sprint, and that's really where I prevailed.
I was a fast speed jumper. That's why I designed
my jump rope technology at the time, just so I
can you know, you get a couple extra jumps in there, right,
I mean that's cool.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
What made your jump rope different and in the patentable
in the first place.

Speaker 11 (36:49):
Yeah, a lot of different things went into it. Because
you're on the floor, like this is literally meant for
competitive jump rope. At the time I was making it,
on the floor, we were getting a lot of rope brakes.
I also had just gone through a car accident and
I broke my ankle and my hip was all jacked up,
so it was sort of jumping out of alignment. So

(37:11):
the jump ropes, if I was out of alignment, were
sort of cutting on the side of the wire. So see,
let's see, I had to make a durable it was
a duel bearing system. The jump rope itself couldn't have
any one hundred and eighty degree movement, so I made
sure I only moved to certain degrees. I should have
it with me, I don't. It was the last minute podcast. Yeah,

(37:33):
and just fast right and no shearing right, there was
just it was just this perfect and it is still perfect,
this perfect speurope that would just never cut, it wouldn't break,
It's fast, it's set gainness world records. I mean, it's
just a beautiful rope. It's simple.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
Oh you know what. It's such a shame, but you
should be proud of yourself for such a I am.

Speaker 11 (37:54):
I still have my you know what. I have talked
to former USPGO directors and they said, you have valid patents.
The system is rigged, it is biased. I mean I
just got off a call with the US and Better
group right now. We're just talking about the changes that
the USPTO is going through and how there's this new
discretionary denial and actually, if you would, Molly, if you
would have sued today, you would have had your patents today.

(38:16):
So it's just it's a political mess, you know. And
it's a shame because our patents were meant to allow
people like me, like you to protect our IP for
twenty years. It's not that long, right, so we could
grow and we could stop our infriendship.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Also, the concern I have is going forward is you know,
people saying, yeah, I could do it, but I'm not
gonna because I'm just going to make it and they're
going to knock it off anyway, So what's the point, right,
And I think that's at this time they are not
wrong because even if you have a patent, they're still
going to knock it off, and they're still going to
send the Damazon, They're still going to sell it. And

(38:56):
you know, your patent is worthless in the sense of
now what do we do it? Right? Your story goes
even to the level of being useful and then saying
that we're just kidding more allowed than to take it
over and sell.

Speaker 11 (39:09):
What's an affusing time. Yeah, you go a whole decade,
you put patent all over your product, and then all
of a sudden it's not passible anymore. Weird.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
I was sad. I was sad because like as a
kid growing up, you know, I was an inventor type
kid and I always you know, my uncle had one
and I would meet him and say, well, you know,
you got a patent and you show it to me,
and now it's worthless. It's absolutely worthless. And we need
the we need the education source of pain. Well, we
need the education for the poor guy who puts his

(39:37):
life savings into gets it on, you know, gets a
popular in Amazon, and he loses everything, but because he
still believes in it.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Who is on the p TAB committee? Like, who, how we.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Have to look into this more, right?

Speaker 11 (39:51):
Yeah, look into it more definitely. The p TAB is
a tribunal. It is. You get a three, you get
three judges. They're not judges, they're not a pointed by
the president. They're usually former attorneys for like Google, you
know all those guys, and so they're toggling between Google
and and and p TAB judges. I mean, it's just
it's it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
Are yeah, yeahlous in any way that Doge had any
insight into this or interest looking like.

Speaker 11 (40:22):
In the last few months, what are they doing? I
do know that there's just there's been sort of an
uproar at the at the us p t O. I know,
the mandate to go back to work is causing you
know a lot of p TAB judges and examiners themselves,
you know, maybe they're working remotely. So it's been favorable
for inventors. Like I said, it's it's it's a shame

(40:45):
even in my story that if if I would have
sued my infringer today, right, there's not enough p TAB judges.
So maybe my my case would have stayed in district court,
my infringer would have lost, they would have settled because
they stole I mean, there's just so much evidence towards
that that it's kind of sad that the validity of
my patent really had to do more with again a

(41:05):
political setup, rather than the validity of my true patents.
I mean, it's just.

Speaker 9 (41:09):
So you can't go back now because they took away
your pet I cannot.

Speaker 11 (41:14):
I mean, I'm a fighter. I believe there's a one
percent chance, and you know, maybe I can go to
President Trump and be like, hey, why don't you, you know,
set a tone and give me my patents back and
to kind of show the American people, right, I tell
you what, though, if I can change the law in
a way that that makes sense. So right now, just
so you guys know what I'm up to us inventor

(41:36):
and myself, we're asking for one thing, and that's due process.
In my story, when I went to court, I should
have the right to stay in court and not be
forced to go to the administrative court. And right now
that's not the case. But I think that's a fair ask.
I think you guys think that's a fair ask. And
so that's what we're working on in Congress and just
asking for a simple piece of legislation that says, when

(41:58):
an inventor goes to court, give them the to stay
in court.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
But that's all.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
Do you think that it would have been whack them
all anyway? Because the next company would just knock it
off and put it on Amazon anyway, and then you'd
have to just because that's what we're doing now. We
whack them, they come up, they change, they just keep
coming up. That there's no finality to say you have
to stop doing this. They just keep popping up.

Speaker 11 (42:21):
I think that's another fish to fry, and I don't
know what that is yet, other than what we're doing today.
We have to be social about this. We have to
keep doing these podcasts. It would be cool if Amazon
would say, hey, you can toggle this thing over and
you can only view the real inventors products. Right, if
you don't want to see Chinese anymore, we're going to
let you see just the inventors. I mean, what a

(42:41):
great idea that would be.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
Yeah, Well that's the head of the dragon. That's that
brings Paton back to its former glory where it actually
meant something. Until they do that, they're just going to
keep going around. We have a little girl here mass peak.
But she made a shirt, she designed it, and it
started to sell. They it all in a day because
it went viral on on TikTok. Then within two days

(43:06):
it was in here and up for sale.

Speaker 11 (43:09):
Maybe maybe they need to treat infringement like they do,
you know, murders. And I'm actually being serious, there should
be some of.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
The harsh.

Speaker 8 (43:18):
Law.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
Yeah, loss of a hand, think about all employees, but
think about all the employees she had to get rid
of because this disgusting thing and all that money now
goes to China.

Speaker 11 (43:29):
It really does.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Her employees don't have jobs. But with this, once again,
I go back to being a little kid and being
so proud when I got my patn that it meant something.
That's so heartbreaking. That means nothing, and our government has
just turned it into worthless. We do all the work
and they go in and do it well.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Molly, we appreciate what was the name of the company,
the jump Rope.

Speaker 11 (43:53):
My company name is jump in Rope j U M
P N R O p e. So jumpin rope dot.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Com any any little ox ons in there before or
after the end jumping.

Speaker 11 (44:05):
No, it's just one word, but it's not jumping rope,
but jump in rope.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yeah, jump end rope.

Speaker 9 (44:13):
Got competitive jump So in lacrosse used jump rope every
day in practice. Was one of our stations. Sure, no
one ever wore out a rope. No whatever, you're breaking
ropes and wording about.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
And we would go we were pretty good. We you know,
we thought we were cool because we didn't wear out ropes.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Competitive.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yes, we were competitive.

Speaker 11 (44:32):
We were being Yeah, they're going at high rates and
if they step on that yanke it. I mean it's
got to be.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
It's such a good X size and they say it's
very increasing your speed and your vertical leap. Right.

Speaker 11 (44:44):
I think that's what made me a great a. I
mean I was a four sport letter, you know, athlete
in high school. All sorts of college offers for soccer, soccer, softball,
and basketball. So ditribute jump rope.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Yeah. But you know what, not only did the disgusting
system kind of crush your business, it also crushed your
ability to be enthusiastic for the benefits of jumping rope, right,
which a really nice thing for people to know. I
remember when my daughter was running, I told the jumping
rope because I researched it. It's one of those things
that can help you get a little quicker faster.

Speaker 11 (45:17):
And you hit, you hit the nail the head. From
two thousand and seven to twenty fifteen, I worked with
thousands of kids. I stopped doing that in fifteen so
I could fight infringe infringements.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
Right.

Speaker 11 (45:26):
That really put my passion on hold. That stopped me
from working with kids, getting more kids active, more kids confident.
And it sucks.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
That's the ass. Look, this thing's going to kill someone,
and they because they stole my idea. You had to
leave something that was gaining momentum that would have helped
children and raise awareness to what wonderful physical look. So
it doesn't just kill the product and your employees, it
kills the benefit, the benefit.

Speaker 11 (45:55):
The morale, the soul, the spirit, the American dream.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Everything, the pride that you showed before describing and talking
about the achievement and the success and the company. To
have that invalidated and taken away is just criminal. And
we hope that we can before maybe we have together
passion to fix our fighter and.

Speaker 11 (46:18):
We just have to work together. We have to get
and now we know each other, we have to jump
upe more.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Tonight.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
I'm going online. That was leather and it has like
ball bearings in their cool.

Speaker 11 (46:33):
What you guys need is my technology with the beads
because that one it's called a resistance rope. That's what
I'll get you guys.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
We're gonna work.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
Yeah, I had some to Colorado and some jump ropes
going back to Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Maybe get next show, Pat and I and Arthur's doing a.

Speaker 11 (46:51):
Jump up show the next show.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Before we go, Where do you stand on the double
dutch situation? Double?

Speaker 9 (47:00):
But you were saying triple time and this and that
you can go fast. I was about to ask, are
you holding the rope?

Speaker 11 (47:05):
Because there is Yeah, so I actually failed to tell
you that there is team competition too. So and everything
I said you do with the team of four, and
then that also includes double dutch. And so the double
dutch will be like the freestyle. You're going to see
the tricks in the music, and then you're going to
also see the really fast feet inside of the double dutch.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
You got to read my book because there's a chapter
on the Games Do Count? And it talks a little
bit from Brian Morning's original book about the impact of
sports and friendships and that's all the other things that
got crushed when the stupid government sucked.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
I think, and Brian's writing a follow up book, and
I think Molly would be a great candidate for the exclusion.
Are you familiar with the Games Do Count?

Speaker 11 (47:45):
Brian kill me, I'm not, No, I.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
Was send us some life backs in my book.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yes, a lot of things going on back and forth
like this.

Speaker 11 (47:55):
Is this is the start of of a thing, all of.

Speaker 9 (47:57):
Us quiquestion, go ahead, who counts?

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Like, who's the guys going? Okay?

Speaker 11 (48:03):
That was like, so this is such a good question.
So judge, No, there's these little clicking devices. Let's say
you're going into a concert and they go click right,
So there's three judges and if they're off by two jumps,
you have to redo it.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Wow, but they that fast because when you guys get going.

Speaker 11 (48:25):
So I was a judge trainer, an international judge trainer,
and you had to pick the best of the best
because those were the fastest thoms.

Speaker 6 (48:31):
Right.

Speaker 11 (48:32):
It was a big deal from doing yet it's huge
tho your thumb. But the sport is evolving, and I
know they're getting into some new you know, new new
age kind of clicking stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
But anyway they are.

Speaker 11 (48:47):
That's how it's done.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Google is my wife and what are you watch?

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Pat's wife has us spin city cycling.

Speaker 11 (48:56):
Uh yeah, same.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Type of thing, A size in one place. You don't
really go anywhere, but just what you're in the feet
are going.

Speaker 11 (49:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool. And and just
move everyone should just getting so much way or the other.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, fantastic.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Well, so happy that you joined us on the man
in the arena in your case, of course it's the
quote from Teddy Roosevelt. It's the man in the arena,
but of course the woman in the area. So we
thank you so much for joining. I hope this is
the last time we're in touch. We get this bart
system going on.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
The next challenge that you faced and we're facing was
given to us to make a bigger impact. The only
thing I can think of or hope for, is that
we were challenged and brutalized so we can help others.

Speaker 11 (49:38):
I agree, and I just think the American people need
to understand that the inventors are out there, you and
I the real inventors. And if they think they're saving
a couple of dollars here and there, you know, for
the for the products, you know, just to get a deal,
they're really hurting the big picture our country in general.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Right.

Speaker 11 (49:58):
So I just hope that that where awareness, you know,
brings that back to the consumers, and we can all
kind of understand that.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Keep keep himpy, all right, Molly, thanks so much. We'll
see you next time.

Speaker 11 (50:10):
Okay, welcome, Right, that's great.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
Check.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
We'll take a quick break and we'll come back and
wrap up. This is episode of The Man in the Arena.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
After this, I was in the.

Speaker 13 (50:34):
Living room when I heard my son Carter, who was
two at the time. I looked over and I.

Speaker 11 (50:40):
Saw him grabbing for his face. It is true. I
grab a life back.

Speaker 13 (50:44):
I put the mask on his face and place push
pul the light back, dis latch the ice cube from
his airway, and he started crying the most amazing sound
I've ever heard in my entire life. Please protect your family,
get a life back.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
And thought it, and then he gave us her yo, Yeah,
we're back.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
We're back.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
A lot of the discussion getting broadcast line out to
the community. But we can edit that out. It's fantastic.
Let's let's do this. Three two one. Welcome back to
the Man in the Arena. I'm here with Arthur Lee
and Patrick o'rour. Can all be Rick Thatcher.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Professionally, Sometimes I very nicely.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Sometimes I forget. But how great you were just asking
how great was Molly Well?

Speaker 5 (51:35):
I think the the the godwink of this morning seeing
this hand on Fox, the guys saying, yeah, I got
a bat and I really can't do anything about it.
The commercial getting cream, and we did one where I
pulled one of these apart, this one. You know, so
this this products out there killing people.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
You can hear it disassembling at home.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
If you're watching Arthur's got a crappy It just fags apart.
It's and you die. But that's really bad. Not the
toxic glue garbage. This one didn't have it. That's what happened.
Sometimes they do something don't still falls apart. But the
Mollage story is kind of more the typical story, right
they knock off a product and they just make it

(52:19):
and just disregard pattern, any laws, regulations, copyrights. The ad
that you see is they just took our ad, remove
life back and put on their brand. In our case,
you're going to die, and it's illegal, like we we
you know, the patent's worthless, right, that's mollage. She's right,

(52:40):
it's worthless because they just knock it off and then
you're going to go after China and then you get
I didn't even know you go through this whole process
and then they can get your.

Speaker 9 (52:49):
Patent trial appeal board and a bunch of lawyers, pockets
lined by the big companies.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
And then they just took it away anyway, So what
is the part the PSA going for.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Taxes, get your property taxes reduced, come on file, and
then they raise them, cancel your.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
She lost everything because they stole her patent and she
thought and they the only solution they had was to
negate it. So it is not only worthless in the
sense they just.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Go around corrupt insult to injury, is.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
That even if you do fight it, they'll just take
yours away. But in the PSA side is if you
are a young kid like me thinking, oh my god,
I'm going to make this thing, and you get a
patent and they're gonna get knocked off and they're going
to steal it and they're going to take all the money,
and you're gonna put in all the work. The hope
comes from like Brian talking about it on Fox and
Friends and mister wonderful, we're getting killed. You know. We

(53:45):
get into data now with the tariffs.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
And do you think this conversation about trade in general
will help this situation?

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Well, and this came to Danny that this is almost separate.
We need hopefully the whole old tariffs. We're gonna die
whatever app happens, but we need to isolate this piece
of it. Right, these are illegal and they're coming in
and being sold. Right, they have to be registered with
the FDA, and they have to pass certain requirements, so

(54:15):
they're just bypassing that. This one kills you because you
hold this valve and it pushes it in, So this
one could actually kill you. This thing, this bizuka is
just it's also pushes in. First, Yeah, it pushes their
in and it's got this tube so you're jamming it
now it's just like basically falling apart.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
But yeah, looks like a garden weasel than I.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Always think of like thehid. Yes, But so all this
crap is out there and is illegal and needs to
be stopped. But in the bigger picture, this woman brought
her passion and had a good company and just got
decimated and the people got fired. That's your typical pattern infringement,
and no one cares. They may get they not it

(55:04):
off sun down. Our case is someone's going to die
and need to be stopped. In the big picture, havishmaff
figure out. But we need to stop the influx of
illegal medical products. That'd be a good start, right that
get pat just stop illegal medical products. Right, then, let's

(55:26):
take this story. Let's protect our pattern again. Right, Let's
not let them steal it. She said it perfectly to
some extent. If you could go through a program on
Amazon that you show them you have patent so that
no one else allowed to sell it because that's the problem,
or you.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Could filter it out. Yeah, but let's get back.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
To protecting our integrity.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Is the country and be eighty four percent.

Speaker 9 (55:50):
They say, no, you know, there's some fakes, there's some
you know real but the eighty four percent, you're taking
your patent away.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
Come on, man, Well that's look at mind. The Patent
Office issued one exact same pattern.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
That's the other thing where she had hers negated. You
had someone come along from because they don't. Later, but
the US Patent Office granted a new patent for a
very similar device.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Languages. But here's the but here's the thing. But that's
why the PSA side is, don't think the pattern's going
to protect you. Their commercial says didn't do us any good.
That doesn't mean nothing. We needed to mean something again.
In the meantime, we like that has to fight because
they're going to kill someone and they're illegal, like these

(56:40):
are on Walmart and Amazon. They're illegal. They need to
be stopped until we get that at least go through
the FDA, at least prove you're safe and effective. And
then we hope that the visibility of this situation with
Daris and China gives us protection back so we can
start innovative and keep it and make it and make

(57:03):
it successful.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
They benefit Amazon does from the marketing dollars. If they
steal a commercial and put it on they pay for that.
They also get a slight bit of revenue from the sale.
But what responsibility do they have to honest business that
goes through the process and is also doing business on Amazon.
What responsibility the government's going to drop the ball.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
See, the Amazon was the conduit to take the knockoff
from on the corner to the mass the world. Right,
because now they don't exist, You can't go and get them,
you can't soothe them, you can't find their warehouse in
Brooklyn and prosecute. I can't. I could litigate that you
stole my patent. So Amazon is not necessarily doing wrong.

(57:48):
But they have the ability to be the savior. They
have the ability to take that new responsibility and do
it to help us, and it's not going to hurt them.
It's not going to make any difference to them. Why
I help them because they take a percent, So US
product may be a little more expensive. These things are
so cheap because one they fall apart and two they
don't have to market. Three, they don't have to pay

(58:09):
for testing and studying. They don't have to pay FT
eight fees. Yeah, they're cheaper lap dances.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
For the big guy. Yeah, don't have to pay.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
Yeah, same thing wrong with that. But the point of
the matter is they're cheaper because they bypass all the
cost with marketing and registration and compliance and testing. So
that's why they're cheaper. Amazon has the ability to be
the filter. They won't affect them money wise more expensive

(58:37):
the more they.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Make do the right thing.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Well, we just have to all work together to get
the pattern worth something to protect our country from dangerous
These are going to kill people. They're gonna ruin thirteen
years of work because you're gonna think you use the
sucking device and a push it in and killed you.
It's illegal. It's not repty Ridge. It's just a mess.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I predict.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
In this arena, We're going to be talking a lot
more with Molly and her colleagues that are also inventors
that are also getting screwed over by this freyazy board.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
Molly is maybe the godwink Is that her her real
value that she was put on this planet for is
to help expose this problem. Right that her passion led
her to get in the arena and then get crushed
and be marred with blood and.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Leave and leave all the good work she was doing,
not only her own company, but you know, transferring that
on any.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
Pictures that she's supposed to help raise awareness to solve
the bigger problem, to save our country because otherwise fifty
five of sellers on Amazon, we're seventy percent. We're not
going to have a country because we're not going to
have money. It's all going to leave the country, and
all these jobs are going to leave the country. Amazon
ain't going.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And it's been happening for forty years.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
Yeah, but now it's accelerated because they have the Meccan
Sunrise mold. You know you work there? Yep, no one's
working there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Well, I wouldn't classify it as work, you know work.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
Did you ever work in sunlight?

Speaker 8 (01:00:05):
Them?

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
All?

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Of course did the job there at one point?

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
What did you do work at Julius?

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
For like a week and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
Wow, And uh Julius, it wasn't It wasn't one of
the It was a knock off, not a mom and
pop sneaker store.

Speaker 9 (01:00:21):
Oh yeah right in high school it was like they
sold like keads and cons and then foot Locker came
in and wiped us.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Yeah wa orange Julius. What is did you bake them?
What was that powder craft sugar?

Speaker 9 (01:00:33):
I think it was just bags literally, like the paper bags.
Just slip the top and pour it into like the
mixture and then put water in. Really confession almost yeah tasted,
But I used to like it. It was good, and they
throw the ice and they make it slushy orange. Maybe
our first if they're still around, maybe our first sponsor.

Speaker 11 (01:00:55):
Drink.

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
So we don't have this three thousand this week for
next week. I just want to say my predictions number
was thirty nine thirty nine. I think we're rough to
thirty nine thirty nine. Last week it was like, what
was it, thirty eight lainety one something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
Wait, we were at thirty nine thirty. I think this morning.
I wonder iful.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I was telling her thirty nine thirty.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
I'm telling us what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Well, you can't see that. Now he can predict whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
We save five today, So that Mike rough guess thirty
nine thirty five? Yeah, I think so I was off
by four. That's pretty good, Pat, thank you, but check
it out. While we were on thank I love this,
I got a text save the one and a half
year old boy choked on lollipop and then she wrote five.
That was five five today.

Speaker 9 (01:01:37):
But while we were on there before the previous four
thousand for there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
Is that how we do this? Yes, it's like old
days used to tell people how to get places by bars.
You know, you make a right at Zachary, you come
to Foxes, but you're good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
So we knew it was Bars. That was where our landmarks.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Up crawl, big massive Pequa tradition. So it's been a
great show. Thank you, Arthur, Thank you Pat Uh Join
us next week on the Man in the Arena where
we gosh. I don't even know what we'll talk about
next week, but it'll be exciting because we will be together.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Crals.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
We can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
We actually do a bike ride my wife and older friends.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Molly is still listening, Molly, We thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
It's a great show. That's awesome. Yeah, we said all
those nice things about her behind her back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
We did, we did.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
That's so listen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
I think I think it's a great time for Micro
to take take us home Micro life fact song.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Everybody, what do you call us?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
More micro micro Micro it's a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
When you choke life back and without breath, they'll be
death Cigat life back and good life back and life back,
Life life back.

Speaker 13 (01:02:58):
And

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Secople confides a long time tho