September 2, 2024 • 55 mins
Danilelle and Monica put their own Infamous minds together on this special episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I got nightmares in my heart. I fear that the
toss spelled up until I can't here, that my mind
fills up into a creature and it haunts me somewhere much.
Welcome to Infamous Minds.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello, everybody, good evening, and welcome to the Infamous Minds.
Today I have a wonderful special guest, a friend person
that I really do love, admire and respect very much.
Nobody else but a wonderful Monica Rolings. Welcome aboard, my
beautiful friend.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
How are you doing this evening?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Oh, thank you so much. I am doing very well today.
How are you well? It's our holiday. I'm not sure
if it's a holiday in Canada, but it's a holiday
weekend for us it is.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
It is a holiday here. So on Monday, you know,
we're off. I was on call for a month. You're
gonna be shocking for a month, so.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I did stop.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, for entire clinical center for behavior intervention for medicine.
So I was running for an entirement. So I am
off now for five days. So I'm quite excited. I'm
enjoying it. And of course tomorrow, just because it's a holiday.
It's wonderful that you actually mentioned that I was going
just we will have a special recording you guys that
(01:38):
I'm doing after this show about the Crystal Protection Possession
on Diva's Dimension Show, and the next week we will
have the live readings and connection video loved ones from
the other side, so that.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You guys know. So how you spending your holiday? My dear,
this evening.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Trying to run relax because it's Labor Day, right, so
you're not Yes, it is doing what it is. I'm
doing my best to just kind of lay low and
just relax honestly as much as I can.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I Today we did some shopping, some cleaning, you know
the girl because tomorrow there'll short like working hours for
the stores around three or noon some of them were closed.
And then tomorrow we're gonna go to the lake. So
it's gonna be quite nice. We're gonna sit, relax and enjoy,
you know, so be far away from everything for it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And I need to sleep. I know. As much as
I'm a vampire and I have the.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Cool blood in me, I really am tired, you know
because especially when your uncle, I'll be just laying down
and my phone is constantly drink and I live it
on a vibrating because I don't want anybody in a
home to wake up, especially I'm not my little boy.
And then goes drinking and I pick up and I
go like hello, and Daniel this is I'm like okay.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Then ten minutes after that, Daniel and I'm like ok okay.
So you basically really.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Don't sleep, even though if I'm used to it. But
this was for thirty days and I accept accepted it.
So I was really honored actually to cover for some
of the big shots that they trusted me. So I'm
happy about that that, you know, they said there was
no any mistakes, so knock in a wood. I'm happy
about that. So you know, now it's my time to
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sleep and to rest. I was just we were watching
some movie before, you know, we started the show, and
I was like, what happened at.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
The end, I got to know.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Which movie?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Which movie was it?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh, it's a Run, Rabbit Run. So it's like a
horror mystery about the beautiful little girl and she actually
got possessed by the basically sister of her mother, but
the mother did kill her sister.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And it's based on the true story. It happened in Australia.
And after that, you know. Yeah, so Mama was pretty hectic.
In the beginning, she was hiding and I was saying
to my sister, I said, I really don't like this woman.
She looks really bad. And at the end she was
the one actually who killed her sister. So the sister's
spirit came to give the revenge. But yeah, but before
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we start, I want to share something with all of
you guys in a chat, something very funny.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
First of all, I.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Want to say welcome everybody, but Deeming, We are very
very happy to have you. You know, it's always fun
to join with you guys. Listen paranormal Paul's Murphy. Who
else we have.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Jojo John tempering the knees.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Wow, so many of you guys here, Grandezzier, my great
friend Donni cho is great, Doni Chunia is bad, bad
working tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
But there's always Rocky Rony. Oh, Rocky Roy is here.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Hello, such a beautiful warm So I love you so much.
You guys are just a summerside of life. This is
somebody news. So I want to say welcome aboard, Thank
you very much. So these are all true stories that
we are discussing, and you know, any input or anything
that you would like to share.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It will be our pleasure. So welcome board, you guys.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
We have really and of course one and only Gary
Spikes that I love, respect and cherish very much. Is
such an amazing, amazing person. So you know, Monica, I
think we need to break the ice. So I'm going
to give you one story. So you guys, everybody in
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a chat. I'm sure you Roger Blair is here. You
probably did hear and know about the story Harry Potter
right the movie. So this is when I think the
second movie came out and with Daniel Fletcher and everything.
So my sister loves Harry Potter. So me being me,
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I love to surprise and to treat people nicely. So
I decided, you know, i'll finish my shifts and everything.
I'm gonna go and get the tickets for Western Motomo,
what is the one of the big.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Hold in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
They have beautiful theater there, you know, and I'm gonna
get us the tickets and they're gonna go and see this. Anyway,
the ticket, you guys, are not very cheap there even
so this is a couple of years ago. Now they're
over fifty bucks just per ticket. It was around maybe
thirty dollars. And the popcorn you cannot get, even Monica.
That's how they make the money. You want to bring
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in your water, you can't. You have to buy the water.
You want to bring the chocolate, you can't. Everything has
to be from that day. Anyway, I took money, you know,
to be a big sister, to treat my little sister
with love and everything.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So she was so excited.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Anyway, we came in to we bought a popcorn and everything,
and then we sit and it was quiet, so you know,
they're show in the castles whatever. But then I started
feeling really that I'm sinking in my seat slowly. As
I'm sinking in my seat, the screen is disappearing, going
far away.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
As the screen is disappearing, I feel that I'm falling asleep.
And I was coming from the night shift.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
So I did fall asleep, and I wake up when
actually the lights were turned on.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Most expensive movie.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Sleep for an hour and I think fifteen or twenty
minutes that you pay just to sit in there and
go home. There you go, you guys, so now, but
she did love the movie. Then I said to her,
I said, why didn't you wake mess because I tried
a couple of times and you said.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm watching. I'm watching.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It was a wintertime inside it is very warm and cozy.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I just relax and I fall asleep. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Now now you know a little bit about my crazy,
crazy expensive nap, you know. And I said at the
last that I didn't start howling like mister b whoo
whoo and pertending that I'm eating popcorn. But luckily I
didn't spill the popcorn. She said, I was still holding
it and I didn't move, So that was my position.
So so pretty expensive nap that I will remember for
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the rest of my life, not just because of the price,
because I really wanted to surprise and we said.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
No, I had an awesome time. And I'm like, yeah,
but you're supposed to do it together. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I called it Danielle, Danielle, and you said, yoah, yeah,
I'm watching, I guess, and I didn't move.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So it's pretty pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So I'm just wondering, you know, with you guys being
in a chat, what me and beautiful Monica will discuss
in a wonderful show today. So we have something quite amazing,
you guys. Since Monica is my guest, you know, she
does do all what said, research and lots of studies.
She's having her own show a very fantastic and beautiful
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person inside and out. So I'm going to pop in
a little bit questions around here, and they're regarding a
little bit different subjects. But I'm going to start about
something that Monica just shared with me, and that's I
will like Monica when we talk about, you know, serial killers,
criminal minds, you know, basically all these you can say,
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dark and heavy socks. What comes to your mind and
if you had any interest ever in this kind of area.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
In serial killers?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yes, Actually it's interesting to me, just the psychology behind it.
What drives somebody to want to not just take the
life of another person, you know, I think most people
have thought, oh God, where's that person? Just fall off
the face of the earth, But I mean to actually
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follow through with any kind of dark thought and a
lot of times and just the most gruesome manners. So
I've been fascinated by serial killers really my whole life.
And you know, coming from the Bay Area in California,
there's quite a few out there. Obviously, some very infamous
ones like the Zodiac just to namely, that's like probably
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not the worst one, but I mean he was never
caught really, So that's the one that comes to mind
to me when you think of San Francisco and serial killers.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
But also.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
So Robert Hanson, the butcher baker right up in Alaska.
He was particularly interesting to me, a Robert Hanson, ya
because he he hunted for sport, right, And I remember
reading the book The Most Dangerous Game back in high
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school or junior high when where was I read that?
Thinking Oh my gosh, like that's the I mean, what
kind of person does that, like just take somebody out
into the wilderness and just hunts them for sport. And
that is literally what this man did, right. He would
kidnap these women and hold them for several days, doing
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unspeakable things to them, and then he would fly them
in his plane to the bush you know they out
back there in Alaska.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
And set them loose and then hunt them. And what
was going.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Through these poor women, these girls, really, their minds before
the end must have been terrible.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I mean, what a terrifying way to go.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
And you know, we know that he killed forget the
total that he killed, but he killed quite a few,
and those are just the ones.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
They know about. They found a map.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
They had excees all over the place. Yeah, and he
wouldn't give them. He wouldn't give up the details to
all of them. He only gave up the details to
some of them and took them to the ones he
could remember where he put them.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Now, that's quite crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Did you ever, like, because you're talking about him, did
you ever figure out or did you read what was
his motive? What was actually the reason that he was
killing all these ladies?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, I mean, he.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Just had a real hatred for women.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
And that's what that's a common being, right with serial killers.
There's a deep seated whether it's from childhood trauma with
their grandmothers or mothers or sisters or something. Right, the
girls at school didn't like me, so you know, they
just twist that inward. To be honest, I can't remember
if they really dug down and found the motive for
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him specifically, but I know that he I mean, he
did some pretty nasty things before he started committing murders,
so he was building up to it, and that is
something you see with a lot of people. And I
remember the one time that I had to sit on
a jury, right.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Okay, I want to tell us about that, if it's okay, like,
if it's okay with you, course, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
So there was a jury that I had to sit
on first time I ever was selected for jury duty,
and it was it was a very disturbing case.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
It was an.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Essay of a young girl by her father, right, and
that act alone is horrible. But in our justice system, right,
you go through the trials, yes, yes, I'm guilty or
not guilty, and then once you find them, let's say guilty,
which we did, then it goes to the punishment phase
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where all of the background comes out. I can't share
the background during trial. It's only after you find them
guilty that they can give you this person's history.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
So once we.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Once we found him guilty, then the the punishment phase
came in and we were listening to his background and
he was building up to it. You could see his
whole life with a criminal career, getting progressively more aggressive
and dangerous until this happened. And thankfully, you know, the
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other jurors agreed that this guy needed to be put
away for quite a long time because he was building
up to something even worse than this. I mean, this
is horrible, but I mean the step would have been,
you know, something a lot worse in my opinion. So thankfully,
you know, we all agreed he needed to be put away.
The guy was put away for like I think, we
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gave him ninety nine years.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
We give him as much as we could.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Good. Good.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I know you cannot talk about the case, and of
course you know this is very we can say, you know,
not just personal but respecting the law and the duty
at that time. But I would just like to ask
you one question. You know, for the first time sitting
there and making a decision about somebody's life, you know,
a decision how this person should be punished. You know,
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how did you feel about that? You know, because now
you have somebody's life in your hands, So how did you.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Feel like that? That's a big responsibility.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
It is a huge responsibility.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
And it's interesting to me the dissection that is chosen
for jury duty right when you really get down to it,
because it's just whoever the attorneys on.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Both sides agree is going to work best for them.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah, And I remember deliberating for this guy, and there
was this one girl. She couldn't have been more than
twenty five, and she just completely did not care. I mean,
we're arguing back and forth, you know the other jersey.
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I mean, it wasn't aggressive, but you know, we're depending discussion,
and she just sat in the corner, and you know,
when it came time for voting, she was she was
really the one holdout. She was like, I just I
don't care because I can't relate to any of this.
She goes, I don't have a girl, I don't have
a daughter. I have a son, and which feel like,
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you know, that was like you understand that things like
this can still happen, and it doesn't really you know.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Gender female doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And so I mean you have to take it very seriously.
And for this young lady to just be kind of
flippant about it, it was aggravating. And but I mean
every I guess, you know, everybody's allowed to their own opinions.
And you know, she she eventually like we had to
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drag her really into the conversation because she was reluctant
and we weren't. You know, it had to be all
or nothing, I think, but.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
For us to convict, so.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
We were able to.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Discuss with her and finally get I mean, gosh, I hope.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You didn't a strong armour, but we were able to
get her to to understand, like what the seriousness of that,
because she really was there and did not care. She
did not care, you know, and to have that kind
of power, I guess you could call it. It's I mean,
you have to take it very seriously, very serious.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It can't be That's what I was saying.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Somebody's future.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I mean, that is this man's life, this is this
little girl's life.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
It's everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
You have, somebody's life in a end, and somebody's pain
and unjustice treatment, the god knows what else you know
that this person went through, and you have somebody who's
very like you're saying, irresponsible, you know, lacking maybe connection
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to the case or even to the reality.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I'm sorry to say it, and that's what I think.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Sometimes there is an issue and when I say, because
the systems are very similar in both countries.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Just like the law.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We don't have a death penalty in Canada. We can
give you three life sentences, but we cannot give with
the death penalty, so we don't have hanging, you know,
lethal injection and stuff like that. And now our laws
are a little bit less stronger than Yogays loads, so
it'll be more like a California. I don't know that's
California has a death penalty.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Okay, there you go, but we don't have it. But
it will be more linear. But still, you know, if
you're sitting there and you know you have somebody that
it's not interested in the case, lacking the knowledge, lacking responsibility,
what they're giving to I'm sure was pretty frustrating, especially
because you know you're dealing real life of a person
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that went through the hell that knows you know, in
all of that that truly happened, how much that person
will be affected to the rest of the life. And
then you have somebody that still, by these actions you
have to judge and decide how their life will end
or how the story will be getting a closure and
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not having somebody tuned into it. It's quite ridiculous, but
it happens everywhere. And I'm going to ask you one question,
since you've been you know, basically sitting behind the bench
and you know, discussing something important like that, do you
think that sometimes when we choose basically who's going to
be sitting there and deciding what's going to happen with
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this perpetrator criminals, and it doesn't matter serial killer, rapage,
doesn't matter what they are, pedophile, And we choose people
that are not really I should say, connected to the case.
We're giving basically a care or something else that I
don't want to swear on a line, and I don't
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swear Harmonica, if you know me. They lab when I
say at least a one bad word, they were like,
oh did you say it? Even my mother something was like,
that's not you. That means I had enough to hear
so that I cannot control anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
So basically it's true.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So basically you know that this sometimes gives us wroong
closure and you know that maybe actually justice is not
served or also maybe you know the case closure is
totally incorrect.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
So somebody may go or get up.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I'm gonna say, honestly, life sentence, but they are not guilty,
and that person just wanted to end the case and
to say, okay, I'm working for that too, or you know,
maybe they'll be like, hey, I want them, you know,
to be ten years.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Sure, let's do it ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So what do you think is there are error in
the system when actually we're not choosing correct people to
make such a very important decision.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You know, I do, having sat there and witness this,
it does make me think that there is an issue
with it, but I wouldn't know how to begin to
correct it, to be honest with you, and having it,
I mean, I sat in a courtroom, you know, as
somebody on the jury. I've sat in the courtroom as
a victim of a crime as well, and I can
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tell you that no matter what, there's no justice in
this life. When I was going through the trials for
when okay, so my son, when my son was killed, right,
the girl that killed him, we had that, yeah, And
I remember when I first sit down with the DA,
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thank you, thank you. Uh, when we first sat down
with the DA, after they true build everything and you know,
they went forward and arrested her and did everything, which
took forever, by the way, that was the first thing
the DA said to me was there there is no
justice in this life. And that was very profound for
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me to hear and going through everything, it really is true,
he said, you know, nothing's going to bring him back.
He goes, and nothing's going to feel like you were
served any kind of justice at the end, he goes,
I've been doing this for a very long time, and
I just I mean, probably not the right thing for
a day to say to somebody, but I appreciated the
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honesty and it was It's a fact because when.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It finally did come down.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
To sentencing for her, mine didn't feel good about it.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I didn't feel good about it.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I didn't think that she got nearly what she deserved
for taking a life, and she didn't care. She didn't
care that she killed him. She cared about how it
affected her, but at the end of the day, she
didn't care that he was gone.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
And that was that was very upsetting.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I mean, obviously the obviously, the whole thing's upsetting. But
you want this closure, you want this vindication, you want
this justice for your loved one, and I didn't get it.
I didn't get it. And the judge did what she
thought was right, and I believe she did what she
thought was right. And in the end, like the justice
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system completely failed my son and I couldn't do anything
about it, and that that is upsetting. So well, I
feel like the justice system did right for the girl
that I sat on the jury for the justice system
completely failed my son, you know, and I've seen it both.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
I've seen both sides.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
First of all, I want to say, I'm truly sorry
about your son. I know my words.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Cannot cover your sorrow or your pain.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And I deeply appreciate you, know, for you sharing your story.
Very proud of you that you're such a strong person
and a beautiful character. And I do believe that there
is no justice in this world. I do believe you're welcome.
And I do believe, ladies and gentlemen, that you know,
when I look at all these cases, working with people
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every day, some of the stories that I see are
true horror stories, you know, having child abusers, saying children
being abused physically, mentally, sexually, working closely with apprehended children,
taking them from domestic violence and abuse, guiding and advocating
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for them, now working as a behavioral intervention specialist. True,
I must say, you know, my fight for I'm going
to tell you honestly, Monica, for justice, for peace and
respect and humanity will never stop till the day I die.
And I can move because I believe something that we
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do have written, but we never respect it. In Geneva
Convention and in New York, in the United Nations, there's
something very beautiful that is written, and it's saying, my
freedom stops that same second when I affect your freedom.
So yes we are on free and yes we do.
You know, we can do painting, you want to talk
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today or whatever, but it doesn't mean I can come,
you know, to your room and slap you or you know,
call the hair, call you the names, and or take
away your life because I'm free to do so. So unfortunately,
our society doesn't matter where in the world, we still
didn't come to that basically, you know, real conclusion, understanding
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what means being free, what means respecting freedom and respecting humankind,
you know, and cherishing one another. So I think, you know,
we are far away from that. But for me, I'll
fight for it all the day I die. That's just
the way I am, and I believe in it. I
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don't understand sometimes when people stay. For example, I was
in the courtroom with one of the apprehended children, so
I was going to be her advocate, so I was
on the side if she needs something, and when her
mother mentioned something, I'll never forget that. So the little
girl was just standing there. She was fifteen at that time,
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and so the judge was saying, do you have men
anything to say? She goes like, cose, she's Misbehaving's this,
she's that? So I made her in I will destroy her.
Oh in the middle other that, the said me, being
very very I couldn't hold it anymore. And I put
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my hand up and we address our we say your
honor or our crown. So I will say your honor
or your crown, because they present quickly, because we are
country of the Commonwealth. And I said, I have only
one suggestion here that I'm going to say.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
So and so is.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Born and made by something about whatever your religion is,
by the God gave her the you know, this life
whatever above you believe or you don't believe in. But
she's meant to be here. And I don't know how
this woman can call herself a mother and has a
right to destroy this young woman that even didn't start
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to blossom into the young woman will be, you know,
some beautiful member of society that you know, life can
give to her and she can give back so much.
And I said, I think this is very shameful and
very sad tours in front of the crown and the
judges that you are representing. He hit you know, the
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hammer and said case clothes. I'll never forget that. That's
the first time I ever spoke. Because my job is
to give medication of the children not feeling well, to
support them mentally. My ab is to shut my mouth.
But I being honest to your Monica, I couldn't do
it anymore. Sitting beside me, she was shaking, and you
know she had eating disorder. She had eating disorder, she
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had she had she was BALLOOMI what it means. She
was eating and vomiting to basically to feed her emotions.
She had anorextic neuroses because of the stress and anxiety
she had. I don't know how many times she was
sexually abused, physically abused.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And they were talking about fourteen.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Year old lot of girl and I just couldn't handle
it anymore. And I will never forget that. And to me,
I couldn't say that. And I know at that moment,
when I look at that girl even now, I have
shivers on my hands. I'm like, how you as a
mother can say something to the child that you were carrying.
(28:54):
And she looked at me when we were leaving. Actually,
I must say, the Crown did what they needed to do,
and I was really And then she looked at me
as we were leaving, and you know, and she said
something and I turned around and I smile and I said,
I'm proud of it. She said one. She said, you
are b and I said, am proud to be one. Yeah,
(29:18):
proud to be one. And the reason why because after that,
the little girl she's doing great now, she is she
did finish high school, so she's entering. She she wants
to be a nurse. She's doing good. She's doing some
counseling and mental healing, of course through all the child
abuse that she's been to, but she's doing really good.
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But she is removed from the care of the abuser.
And the abuser and the one who was selling her
was her own mother.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I can't understand the parents that. I mean, I'm glad.
I can't understand. I don't want to understand parents that
can just not care at all for their children, just
like she clearly not no care for her child. It's
beyond me because being a parent is such a gift,
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you know, it's.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Such a guess.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Not everybody's able to have.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I mean, there are many people out there that want
children that can't for the people that are able to
get this gift, and they just use the children or
just don't care about the children that I mean, it
makes me want to cry right now.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
It just breaks my heart. It just breaks my heart.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I can't imagine not loving your child with everything that
you have.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And you know, when I went to them as a
basically educator for the Red Cross, I went also we
then for the training for the child and basically for
the abuse in relationship and healthy unhealthy relationship. I went
to the college universities I still do, and I do
with the teaching. So they were talking, you know, you
learn about circle of violence and everything. So I'm really
(30:55):
proud of that because that's a big international agency. I
learned so many And then in a hospital and a
trauma sometimes when I see the stuff, I wonder how
these people can call themselves a parent. I'm sorry to
see it. You know, it's quite disturbing, quite horrible. So
you know, you sitting here representing a beautiful, strong mother,
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somebody who's a fighter like I can see for human
life it makes me really happy to have you here
in studios, so you know, it's always a pleasure to
have such a positive energy. And that then brings me
to another question. You said, you know, you did lots
of research on different kind of serial killers, and did
you ever accidentally maybe passed by one, or ever seeing one,
(31:42):
or you know, maybe or in an area they didn't
know that one existed.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Everything. I know, it sounds creepy, but it's true.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Well, I mean that's fascinating, and I do think about that,
you know, because there is God, there's this statistic that
I read somewhere that says you the average person meets
like one or two killers in their lifetime or something
like that, Like you cross paths with them. Whether whether
or not you're their their type of victim is another thing,
hopefully or not.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
But yeah, I do think about that.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
You know. Is there any time that I was almost
a victim and I didn't know it? Is there a
time that you know, I looked at somebody or that
weird feeling I got, you know, because oh yeah, you know,
when something's wrong with somebody, you know, like if you're
in tune to energy, which I tried to be, you know,
(32:35):
you know, when you're in hear somebody that is not
good and and I mean I couldn't answer that, of course,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I think.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I think that my I think that my first husband
had the potential because he had all the ear markings
of one and if I think he had continued on,
he very easily could have done that. So there was
the animal abuse, there was the victims, like the personal abuse.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
There was all of that that.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You see as earmarks to serial killers or potential serial killers.
So I think I dodged a bullet in that regard.
But as far as just you know, nameless faces in
the rabble, I'm sure I have.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
And it's interesting to me you know, who was who?
Who was it? Which one of these people?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
It was potentially the serial killer that cross paths with me.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
No, And that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And you mentioned something that you know, I would like
to ask you a question about, like you're saying, the
energy and the vibes, and did you ever you know,
did you ever maybe because I know you also do
energy work, did you ever meet a person you know
that maybe had that energy or maybe you firm that
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they could doing something wrong?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
How did you feel about.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
That, so the energy I got, okay, So.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I think he had that in him, but he didn't
know it, and he had some social.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Ineptitudes.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Let's say he was a little socially strange, which is fine.
Some people are. I don't judge you, like not everybody
is a people person, right, that's not a big deal.
But exhamit energy you're giving off, or if you're doing
something and I know you're doing it maliciously, but you're
trying to play it off like it was a mistake
(34:41):
or it was a misunderstanding, but I know it was
malicious intent, Like you feel that energy. I distanced myself
as much as possible. Now, there were some instances where
I couldn't not be in this person's vicinity, and when
I was, it was he was very much focused on me.
(35:06):
So I was trying to like not be alone with
that person or you know, keep my distances, you know.
And then the times where I had to like interact,
I always try to just placate them or I just like,
oh yeah, sure, I mean, just play along with it,
because you know, even though he was like about my
size and considerably thinner, I was like I remember at
(35:28):
one point it was I was alone in a car
with him. I couldn't get out of it, and I
just remember looking at him thinking I can take him
if I have to, Like it's going to be a fight.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Oh my lord, wow, you know, we are so proud
of you. And now I'm gonna flip the coin, and
ladies and gentlemen, I think you're going to like what
I'm going to ask. Now, what about colts, like somebody
like famous Heaven's Gate. What do you think.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
About them, that Heaven's Gate cult? Yes, yes, specifically Heaven's Gate. Oh,
you know, any cult is interesting to me because really
they're luring in the people that are just so lost
(36:19):
and looking for a place to belong on one level
or another. These people are missing something, and the cult
leader is the one to sweet talk them and tell
them that, you know, tell them all the things that
they want to hear, to get them to join in,
(36:43):
to go along with these things. Because let's look like
at first it seems very innocuous, I'm sure, and it
just gets progressively more abusive, and it's like the turtle soup,
right or the frog soup? Right? You put those put
it in cold water and turn up.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
The heat, and it doesn't know what's going on. I
feel like cults are the same thing.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Now, Heaven's Gate specifically, I haven't really like studied, I know,
just from a general over.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
The CNN and CBC all media sources.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
So I haven't like dug into Heavens Gate specifically, but
I'm sure it's just like any other cult, and they're
all dangerous, you know. Some of them are just a cult,
cult of cults, cults, and some of them are like
Heaven's Gate or like Jim Jones.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
You know, they're they're out.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
You know, what do you think about any of them?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Did you ever study any of them that you really
or maybe you know, maybe they all at research or
something that you taught. Really that's extraordinary about that cult group.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
You know, I haven't. I haven't studied them in depth,
Like I couldn't narrow down anyone that, Yeah, that is
more interesting than the other, because they're all fascinating in
their own right, because each one of them has a
different lure, right, a different hook to get you to
join in and just go right on along. And there
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are some like there are some offshoots of major organized religions.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
I feel our cults too.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
And what about David Koresh remember him. That was even
more on CNN Military is Coming Swat Team.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
That was quite a show. I'm sorry to see it.
He was horrible. I'll never forget that. And you know
General Reno coming in.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
We were watching it live from the TV from our
living rooms and I was live blocked.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
You know, I was very young then.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Of course, I was like, is it possible that you know,
we have swat teams, We have these professionals, They can
handle these guys. So I think that many things in
there went really wrong. That most and the worst thing
that the children die.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Yes, That's what's particularly disturbing in any of them is
when the children are looped in and caught in this atrocity,
no matter what it is, whether it's something like you know,
what happened down in Waco or you know, again going
back to like Jones in the kool aid, you know,
(39:26):
I mean if any time a child is harmed is
particularly upsetting, especially when they're there with their parents, and
the parents are just they don't know any better, or
they're brainwashed into thinking that this is the right thing
to do. In that child just doesn't have any any
say for themselves. You know, and so I've like regarding
(39:49):
Waco specifically because I had just moved to Texas, I think,
or I hadn't been here very long when that happened,
and I thought it was a cut and dry, like
the cult leader went nuts, and the military and you know,
the US came in and did their thing. But I've
heard so many conspiracy stories since then from other people saying,
(40:10):
oh no, like he was trying to negotiate to get
the children out and they you know, he told them, hey,
you know, if you're going to come in, we have
the children all barricaded in this one area. Please don't
like fire on this area. Please don't throw the nerve
gaps or whatever it was into this area. But that's
like the first place they went after he said that.
So I don't know what to think because I don't
(40:32):
know that that's documented anywhere. It's just my friends who
are conspiracy here people have an author thing, So I
can't confirm like any of that. But hearing that, I'm thinking,
you know, I don't trust our government either.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
I don't, So I mean, that's completely plausible to me. Again,
I'm not saying that did happen, but I could see
it happening.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
You know, I definitely could.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
And you brought something up very important. Ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So many of you are sharing wonderful stories there. You know,
I do keep my eyes everywhere. You went something on
what it's very important and that's like you said that
some of the religions that are part of the religions
around the world today, just North America, Canada, and you know,
you say, because you know they're all around, so let's
(41:26):
touch somebody that it's very important that it's constantly in media,
that it's constantly you know, talking about controlling people, controlling
their mind, how they're feeling, what they're doing. There's many
powerful people in it. And that's scientology. What do you
think about.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah, scientology is.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Tom Cruise.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeah, I mean what everybody thinks of initially. But I
mean it's based on from my understanding, of course, it's
based on like science fiction books.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
It's based on.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Books from science writer. Yes, that's true, that's true. What
I don't know, Superman and many other things.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, I mean, it's the religion in itself is a
science fiction novel.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
If you really listen to like the people.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
That got out of it and are are speaking out
against it. You know, I don't know, like when when
Tom Cruise eventually crosses over, if they're not going to
just prop him up and pretend he's still alive and
start worshiping Tom Cruise. That's how strong he is in
that organization, that religion. And I just I don't understand
(42:40):
how so many people can just follow it because it's
so bizarre to me.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
What little bit I have.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Heard from it is just really strange. And I have
to I don't want to pick on Anyboddy's religion. Like
if you if you believe in that that's one hundred
percent find then that is your prerogative.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Well they're not thinking, they're just discussing, of course. Yeah,
it's just a discision. I don't understand it.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
Uh yeah, I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Like and what about you know, huh go ahead, sorry,
go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
I was just gonna say the Mormon religion also is
a little odd to me. You know, it's like these
golden tablets that were found and like the Northeast under
some rocks and we're you know, like magic underwear, and
I mean, of course I don't know the religion and
depth so I mean just a little bit that I
(43:37):
do know. It's just like again, it's like what but hey,
if if that is how you choose to worship the Creator,
then as long as you're not hurting anybody, I'm cool.
The minute you start hurting people, then I am not
cool with your anything.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
And and that's I want to say thank you to
big Foot, Big Bigfoot. This is for a couple of
your favorite LMFU not so I'm trying to find that comment.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
To share it.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Yeah, he's target New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I'm having a trouble. I'm having a trouble downloading it
on my side. So thank you for such a beautiful comment.
And you know it's always and you guys, I want
to now you mentioned Mormon religion.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
We are no. Thank you so much bm R.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
You know what you're going to use that five bucks
Monica be going for a coffee or forty teen?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
There we go. Yeah, thank you so so much.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
You're a sweetheart, has a this gentleman has a big soul,
beautiful heart. And don't forget to check out his shows
because they're always interesting and full of much you know, knowledge,
different stories and great topics. So you know you mentioned
something that is quite interesting, and that's when we talk
about religion. You know my background, you know, I do
(45:08):
basically ancient history and ancient studies, so and symbology.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
That's what I do.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
But also I wear many different hats. But you mentioned Mormons.
Of course, we are not here to discuss anybody's religion.
You guys, as long as you believe and you're not
harming anybody, you can believe if you want to believe
in this Cinderella behind me, what I really don't mind.
But what I have an issue when the people and
the children are hurt. And now we're going to talk
(45:35):
about something and that's Jeff Born. What do you think
about Jeff Born and all of these cultish you know,
issues and abuse of children and using child brides.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
And stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
To what do you think about that, because that's still.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
All over this aspective the Mormon where he was marrying
off the fourteen year old Yes, yes, okay, yeah, So
I watched a whole documentary about that and they were
interviewing the girls that were able to escape, and how horrific,
(46:12):
how horrific, and how oppressive to know as a young
woman that you're going to get married off to some
dude who's like your dad's brother or your grandpa's brother,
like your grandfather, even.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Like age, and you have no saying it. You have
to put up with it.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
And you're not just his wife, you're one of his wives,
which means there are several other and that's just a
form of abuse, not just for the girls that are
bearing married off into it, but.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
The multiple wives too.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
I mean, some of these women are my age right,
being married off to these guys.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
And.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Anywhere where your rights are suppressed, regardless of right, regardless
of gender, regardless of anything.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
If you're oppressing people's.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
Rights' that's not okay. I mean the abuse aside right,
the essay, the obvious child abuse, just oppressing.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Women in general.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
Makes me so mad that some people in some societies
and some organizations have not evolved beyond that is maddening.
It is maddening, you know, like just because you're a woman,
you don't have the right to say anything. Your opinion
doesn't mean anything, sir, No, no.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
And I feel bad for the women that were raised
to believe this because they are wholeheartedly behind it in
a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
And it's quite quite sad when we see or hear
that smurfy.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
Very Yeah, sending someone to prison for life is far
worse than a death sentence, as it should be. I agree,
I agree, But I also see Now this is where
I'm probably going to differ from some a lot of opinions.
I do believe in the death penalty. I don't think
it's something that should be just thrown around easily.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
You know, but if there is.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
Irrefutable evidence there are some crimes I think do deserve death.
You're just stealing my oxygen at this point. You know,
if there are serial killers and we know it is
this person, there is DNA linking them to it, and
they have a multitude of victims, I see no need
for them to rot in prison because that is a
waste of our resources or or I feel very strongly
(48:48):
that if we are going to put people in prison,
your rights are revoked as an American citizen, and it
should be prisons like they have in South America or Russia. Yeah,
we're not going to have repeat offenders with us.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
That's oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
You know the who has I know it's gonna sound crazy, Monica,
do you know which country has the like the top
way of running the prison. And the least of them
coming back.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
Isn't it den Markers or something Finland, It's.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
You know, the zero point three percent of them come back.
So I think we are like here in Canada that
they have uh they even have like a little of
campers where the ladies can come and visit them. We
have barbecued, they have TVs. It's a go like they
especially for one that I'm talking they're really serial criminals.
(49:45):
I'm like, okay, they have barbecue this. I'm like why
they're in there, Like what's the point. So is it
a vacation or what it is? So I do agree that, uh,
I'm sorry to say it. You did the crime, you
need to do the And then I think if you
really harm the child of the man, it doesn't matter
your psychopath or sociopath, and we found you that you're
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dangerous to the others and to entire communities. I don't
think we need to actually waste the money, because we
can build the hospitals, give money to homeless shelters, you know,
give money for education and stuff that instead of you know,
putting it in there building these walls that they're like
building a new China wall or something like that, and
(50:28):
they're sitting and having fun behind there, you know, while
we're paying from it because it comes from our taxes.
So it's quite fantastic. I love it. Yeah, so I
totally agree with that. Before I let you go, Monica,
I would like one conclusive question that you know, I
would like to know what do you think? And of
course you don't have to choose, you know, but what
(50:50):
it's either saying what do you think who's worst? Soaciopath
or psychopath in your mind was the worse?
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Hmmm, I know, I put you on a spot.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Now, Yeah, so they're both terrible. So I would say
a sociopath is worse in my opinion just because.
Speaker 5 (51:20):
A psycho so a psychopath. I'm trying to I don't know.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Oh that's tough.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
That's because there's.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Psychopath and sociopath. There's such a fine line.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
It is it is and if you I decided, there's
nothing wrong, uh wrong you know with that? So I
want you guys to think about it. Everybody in a chat,
who is.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Worse for you? Sociopath or psychopath? It's or for me?
I don't know who's worse. They're both terrible.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
And I think that deserve the same sentences, They deserve
the same judgment, They deserve the same.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
The end result is the same, honestly, the end results.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
We have bad people on both sides.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
It's just like, yeah, well, if I'm quiet and nobody
knows that I'm doing this, you know, and I have
these issues and I'm hiding behind this, you know, they're
a paperbag and nobody sees I'm a loner blah blah,
and the one, Oh, I'm so intelligent and I can
do this and I'm charming and so again that people
have used people qualifying scenes on both sides. So if
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you ask me who the words, I don't think they're
both the monic evil and they both desert of a
judgment that should be fair for the victims, not for them.
Speaker 5 (52:36):
That theopath I.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Don't know, see, I would lean more towards soio sociopath
just because they don't care. They don't they don't understand,
you know, like psychopaths. Okay, psychopaths understand like I'm hurting
somebody like this is you know, Yeah, it's terrible that
I don't care. Where sociopaths are completely unable to understand,
(52:58):
like how they are her people.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
Gosh, that is.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Difficult, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
But like I love what you said, Monica, and I
respect that outcome is the same. We have innocent victims,
we have horrible crime scenes, we have bloodshed everywhere. So
I personally think, yeah, we conclude in which group they
belong to, but the judgment should be fair and square
(53:27):
and justice should be served for the victims that you know,
they are pain and everything that they went through, or
if they lost a lot one at least they felt
that we didn't forget them and that they're not going
to trash because if you're a sociopath or psychopath, so
to me, judgment should be very harsh on both sides.
(53:49):
So I respect what you're saying. Again, Monica, tell us
where we can see your show, where people can join
you and you know, to see your lovely faith.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
And what do you do on the Texas front Forge.
Speaker 4 (54:03):
So my podcast is called Our Paranormal World and I
go live every Thursday on YouTube. I share it out
to all of my subscribers. So if you are one
of the people that love to listen to these on YouTube,
go over to Our Paranormal World. There are a few
of them on YouTube, So define mine. You would have
(54:25):
to type in Monica's paranormal World all run together and
it should take you right to my page. And I
also have a Facebook page, so I share little things
on there. I have an Instagram that I create reels
on and I do little ninety second short snippets about
different fay and different things, and it's a lot of
(54:46):
fun and.
Speaker 5 (54:47):
You might learn something new.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
So if you're so inclined, pop on over check out
a couple of my shows, and if you like them,
it's subscribe.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
And I'm sure Minka will have you back. You and
I will have to arrange a show so you can
come back to DVS Dimension. I'm sure we'll have fun
on behalf of myself and my big broad text. I
want to say thank you so much for joining us today,
you know, sharing so much love, so much personality, a
positive energy and personal story that I deeply respect us.
(55:19):
I know everybody in child do, so thank you everybody
for joining us on Infamous Minds. You guys have a wonderful,
lovely evening, Happy Labor Day, enjoy and don't forget always.
God bless you all. God bless America in Canada, and
be happy because freedom is prices. Love you all, good night,
(55:40):
not everyone.
I got nightmares in my heart. I fear that the
toss spelled up until I can't here, that my mind
fills up into a creature and it haunts me somewhere much.
Welcome to Infamous Minds.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hello, everybody, good evening, and welcome to the Infamous Minds.
Today I have a wonderful special guest, a friend person
that I really do love, admire and respect very much.
Nobody else but a wonderful Monica Rolings. Welcome aboard, my
beautiful friend.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
How are you doing this evening?
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Oh, thank you so much. I am doing very well today.
How are you well? It's our holiday. I'm not sure
if it's a holiday in Canada, but it's a holiday
weekend for us it is.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
It is a holiday here. So on Monday, you know,
we're off. I was on call for a month. You're
gonna be shocking for a month, so.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I did stop.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, for entire clinical center for behavior intervention for medicine.
So I was running for an entirement. So I am
off now for five days. So I'm quite excited. I'm
enjoying it. And of course tomorrow, just because it's a holiday.
It's wonderful that you actually mentioned that I was going
just we will have a special recording you guys that
(01:38):
I'm doing after this show about the Crystal Protection Possession
on Diva's Dimension Show, and the next week we will
have the live readings and connection video loved ones from
the other side, so that.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You guys know. So how you spending your holiday? My dear,
this evening.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Trying to run relax because it's Labor Day, right, so
you're not Yes, it is doing what it is. I'm
doing my best to just kind of lay low and
just relax honestly as much as I can.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I Today we did some shopping, some cleaning, you know
the girl because tomorrow there'll short like working hours for
the stores around three or noon some of them were closed.
And then tomorrow we're gonna go to the lake. So
it's gonna be quite nice. We're gonna sit, relax and enjoy,
you know, so be far away from everything for it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And I need to sleep. I know. As much as
I'm a vampire and I have the.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Cool blood in me, I really am tired, you know
because especially when your uncle, I'll be just laying down
and my phone is constantly drink and I live it
on a vibrating because I don't want anybody in a
home to wake up, especially I'm not my little boy.
And then goes drinking and I pick up and I
go like hello, and Daniel this is I'm like okay.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Then ten minutes after that, Daniel and I'm like ok okay.
So you basically really.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Don't sleep, even though if I'm used to it. But
this was for thirty days and I accept accepted it.
So I was really honored actually to cover for some
of the big shots that they trusted me. So I'm
happy about that that, you know, they said there was
no any mistakes, so knock in a wood. I'm happy
about that. So you know, now it's my time to
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sleep and to rest. I was just we were watching
some movie before, you know, we started the show, and
I was like, what happened at.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
The end, I got to know.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Which movie?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Which movie was it?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh, it's a Run, Rabbit Run. So it's like a
horror mystery about the beautiful little girl and she actually
got possessed by the basically sister of her mother, but
the mother did kill her sister.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And it's based on the true story. It happened in Australia.
And after that, you know. Yeah, so Mama was pretty hectic.
In the beginning, she was hiding and I was saying
to my sister, I said, I really don't like this woman.
She looks really bad. And at the end she was
the one actually who killed her sister. So the sister's
spirit came to give the revenge. But yeah, but before
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we start, I want to share something with all of
you guys in a chat, something very funny.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
First of all, I.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Want to say welcome everybody, but Deeming, We are very
very happy to have you. You know, it's always fun
to join with you guys. Listen paranormal Paul's Murphy. Who
else we have.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Jojo John tempering the knees.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Wow, so many of you guys here, Grandezzier, my great
friend Donni cho is great, Doni Chunia is bad, bad
working tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
But there's always Rocky Rony. Oh, Rocky Roy is here.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Hello, such a beautiful warm So I love you so much.
You guys are just a summerside of life. This is
somebody news. So I want to say welcome aboard, Thank
you very much. So these are all true stories that
we are discussing, and you know, any input or anything
that you would like to share.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It will be our pleasure. So welcome board, you guys.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
We have really and of course one and only Gary
Spikes that I love, respect and cherish very much. Is
such an amazing, amazing person. So you know, Monica, I
think we need to break the ice. So I'm going
to give you one story. So you guys, everybody in
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a chat. I'm sure you Roger Blair is here. You
probably did hear and know about the story Harry Potter
right the movie. So this is when I think the
second movie came out and with Daniel Fletcher and everything.
So my sister loves Harry Potter. So me being me,
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I love to surprise and to treat people nicely. So
I decided, you know, i'll finish my shifts and everything.
I'm gonna go and get the tickets for Western Motomo,
what is the one of the big.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Hold in the world.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
They have beautiful theater there, you know, and I'm gonna
get us the tickets and they're gonna go and see this. Anyway,
the ticket, you guys, are not very cheap there even
so this is a couple of years ago. Now they're
over fifty bucks just per ticket. It was around maybe
thirty dollars. And the popcorn you cannot get, even Monica.
That's how they make the money. You want to bring
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in your water, you can't. You have to buy the water.
You want to bring the chocolate, you can't. Everything has
to be from that day. Anyway, I took money, you know,
to be a big sister, to treat my little sister
with love and everything.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So she was so excited.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Anyway, we came in to we bought a popcorn and everything,
and then we sit and it was quiet, so you know,
they're show in the castles whatever. But then I started
feeling really that I'm sinking in my seat slowly. As
I'm sinking in my seat, the screen is disappearing, going
far away.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
As the screen is disappearing, I feel that I'm falling asleep.
And I was coming from the night shift.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
So I did fall asleep, and I wake up when
actually the lights were turned on.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Most expensive movie.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Sleep for an hour and I think fifteen or twenty
minutes that you pay just to sit in there and
go home. There you go, you guys, so now, but
she did love the movie. Then I said to her,
I said, why didn't you wake mess because I tried
a couple of times and you said.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm watching. I'm watching.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It was a wintertime inside it is very warm and cozy.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I just relax and I fall asleep. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Now now you know a little bit about my crazy,
crazy expensive nap, you know. And I said at the
last that I didn't start howling like mister b whoo
whoo and pertending that I'm eating popcorn. But luckily I
didn't spill the popcorn. She said, I was still holding
it and I didn't move, So that was my position.
So so pretty expensive nap that I will remember for
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the rest of my life, not just because of the price,
because I really wanted to surprise and we said.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
No, I had an awesome time. And I'm like, yeah,
but you're supposed to do it together. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I called it Danielle, Danielle, and you said, yoah, yeah,
I'm watching, I guess, and I didn't move.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So it's pretty pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
So I'm just wondering, you know, with you guys being
in a chat, what me and beautiful Monica will discuss
in a wonderful show today. So we have something quite amazing,
you guys. Since Monica is my guest, you know, she
does do all what said, research and lots of studies.
She's having her own show a very fantastic and beautiful
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person inside and out. So I'm going to pop in
a little bit questions around here, and they're regarding a
little bit different subjects. But I'm going to start about
something that Monica just shared with me, and that's I
will like Monica when we talk about, you know, serial killers,
criminal minds, you know, basically all these you can say,
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dark and heavy socks. What comes to your mind and
if you had any interest ever in this kind of area.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
In serial killers?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Yes, Actually it's interesting to me, just the psychology behind it.
What drives somebody to want to not just take the
life of another person, you know, I think most people
have thought, oh God, where's that person? Just fall off
the face of the earth, But I mean to actually
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follow through with any kind of dark thought and a
lot of times and just the most gruesome manners. So
I've been fascinated by serial killers really my whole life.
And you know, coming from the Bay Area in California,
there's quite a few out there. Obviously, some very infamous
ones like the Zodiac just to namely, that's like probably
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not the worst one, but I mean he was never
caught really, So that's the one that comes to mind
to me when you think of San Francisco and serial killers.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
But also.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
So Robert Hanson, the butcher baker right up in Alaska.
He was particularly interesting to me, a Robert Hanson, ya
because he he hunted for sport, right, And I remember
reading the book The Most Dangerous Game back in high
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school or junior high when where was I read that?
Thinking Oh my gosh, like that's the I mean, what
kind of person does that, like just take somebody out
into the wilderness and just hunts them for sport. And
that is literally what this man did, right. He would
kidnap these women and hold them for several days, doing
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unspeakable things to them, and then he would fly them
in his plane to the bush you know they out
back there in Alaska.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
And set them loose and then hunt them. And what
was going.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Through these poor women, these girls, really, their minds before
the end must have been terrible.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I mean, what a terrifying way to go.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
And you know, we know that he killed forget the
total that he killed, but he killed quite a few,
and those are just the ones.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
They know about. They found a map.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
They had excees all over the place. Yeah, and he
wouldn't give them. He wouldn't give up the details to
all of them. He only gave up the details to
some of them and took them to the ones he
could remember where he put them.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Now, that's quite crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Did you ever, like, because you're talking about him, did
you ever figure out or did you read what was
his motive? What was actually the reason that he was
killing all these ladies?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, I mean, he.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Just had a real hatred for women.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
And that's what that's a common being, right with serial killers.
There's a deep seated whether it's from childhood trauma with
their grandmothers or mothers or sisters or something. Right, the
girls at school didn't like me, so you know, they
just twist that inward. To be honest, I can't remember
if they really dug down and found the motive for
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him specifically, but I know that he I mean, he
did some pretty nasty things before he started committing murders,
so he was building up to it, and that is
something you see with a lot of people. And I
remember the one time that I had to sit on
a jury, right.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Okay, I want to tell us about that, if it's okay, like,
if it's okay with you, course, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
So there was a jury that I had to sit
on first time I ever was selected for jury duty,
and it was it was a very disturbing case.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
It was an.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Essay of a young girl by her father, right, and
that act alone is horrible. But in our justice system, right,
you go through the trials, yes, yes, I'm guilty or
not guilty, and then once you find them, let's say guilty,
which we did, then it goes to the punishment phase
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where all of the background comes out. I can't share
the background during trial. It's only after you find them
guilty that they can give you this person's history.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
So once we.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Once we found him guilty, then the the punishment phase
came in and we were listening to his background and
he was building up to it. You could see his
whole life with a criminal career, getting progressively more aggressive
and dangerous until this happened. And thankfully, you know, the
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other jurors agreed that this guy needed to be put
away for quite a long time because he was building
up to something even worse than this. I mean, this
is horrible, but I mean the step would have been,
you know, something a lot worse in my opinion. So thankfully,
you know, we all agreed he needed to be put away.
The guy was put away for like I think, we
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gave him ninety nine years.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
We give him as much as we could.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Good. Good.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I know you cannot talk about the case, and of
course you know this is very we can say, you know,
not just personal but respecting the law and the duty
at that time. But I would just like to ask
you one question. You know, for the first time sitting
there and making a decision about somebody's life, you know,
a decision how this person should be punished. You know,
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how did you feel about that? You know, because now
you have somebody's life in your hands, So how did you.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Feel like that? That's a big responsibility.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
It is a huge responsibility.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
And it's interesting to me the dissection that is chosen
for jury duty right when you really get down to it,
because it's just whoever the attorneys on.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Both sides agree is going to work best for them.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah, And I remember deliberating for this guy, and there
was this one girl. She couldn't have been more than
twenty five, and she just completely did not care. I mean,
we're arguing back and forth, you know the other jersey.
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I mean, it wasn't aggressive, but you know, we're depending discussion,
and she just sat in the corner, and you know,
when it came time for voting, she was she was
really the one holdout. She was like, I just I
don't care because I can't relate to any of this.
She goes, I don't have a girl, I don't have
a daughter. I have a son, and which feel like,
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you know, that was like you understand that things like
this can still happen, and it doesn't really you know.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Gender female doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
And so I mean you have to take it very seriously.
And for this young lady to just be kind of
flippant about it, it was aggravating. And but I mean
every I guess, you know, everybody's allowed to their own opinions.
And you know, she she eventually like we had to
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drag her really into the conversation because she was reluctant
and we weren't. You know, it had to be all
or nothing, I think, but.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
For us to convict, so.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
We were able to.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
Discuss with her and finally get I mean, gosh, I hope.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You didn't a strong armour, but we were able to
get her to to understand, like what the seriousness of that,
because she really was there and did not care. She
did not care, you know, and to have that kind
of power, I guess you could call it. It's I mean,
you have to take it very seriously, very serious.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It can't be That's what I was saying.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Somebody's future.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I mean, that is this man's life, this is this
little girl's life.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
It's everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
You have, somebody's life in a end, and somebody's pain
and unjustice treatment, the god knows what else you know
that this person went through, and you have somebody who's
very like you're saying, irresponsible, you know, lacking maybe connection
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to the case or even to the reality.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I'm sorry to say it, and that's what I think.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Sometimes there is an issue and when I say, because
the systems are very similar in both countries.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Just like the law.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We don't have a death penalty in Canada. We can
give you three life sentences, but we cannot give with
the death penalty, so we don't have hanging, you know,
lethal injection and stuff like that. And now our laws
are a little bit less stronger than Yogays loads, so
it'll be more like a California. I don't know that's
California has a death penalty.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Okay, there you go, but we don't have it. But
it will be more linear. But still, you know, if
you're sitting there and you know you have somebody that
it's not interested in the case, lacking the knowledge, lacking responsibility,
what they're giving to I'm sure was pretty frustrating, especially
because you know you're dealing real life of a person
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that went through the hell that knows you know, in
all of that that truly happened, how much that person
will be affected to the rest of the life. And
then you have somebody that still, by these actions you
have to judge and decide how their life will end
or how the story will be getting a closure and
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not having somebody tuned into it. It's quite ridiculous, but
it happens everywhere. And I'm going to ask you one question,
since you've been you know, basically sitting behind the bench
and you know, discussing something important like that, do you
think that sometimes when we choose basically who's going to
be sitting there and deciding what's going to happen with
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this perpetrator criminals, and it doesn't matter serial killer, rapage,
doesn't matter what they are, pedophile, And we choose people
that are not really I should say, connected to the case.
We're giving basically a care or something else that I
don't want to swear on a line, and I don't
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swear Harmonica, if you know me. They lab when I
say at least a one bad word, they were like,
oh did you say it? Even my mother something was like,
that's not you. That means I had enough to hear
so that I cannot control anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
So basically it's true.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
So basically you know that this sometimes gives us wroong
closure and you know that maybe actually justice is not
served or also maybe you know the case closure is
totally incorrect.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
So somebody may go or get up.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I'm gonna say, honestly, life sentence, but they are not guilty,
and that person just wanted to end the case and
to say, okay, I'm working for that too, or you know,
maybe they'll be like, hey, I want them, you know,
to be ten years.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Sure, let's do it ten years.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So what do you think is there are error in
the system when actually we're not choosing correct people to
make such a very important decision.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You know, I do, having sat there and witness this,
it does make me think that there is an issue
with it, but I wouldn't know how to begin to
correct it, to be honest with you, and having it,
I mean, I sat in a courtroom, you know, as
somebody on the jury. I've sat in the courtroom as
a victim of a crime as well, and I can
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tell you that no matter what, there's no justice in
this life. When I was going through the trials for
when okay, so my son, when my son was killed, right,
the girl that killed him, we had that, yeah, And
I remember when I first sit down with the DA,
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thank you, thank you. Uh, when we first sat down
with the DA, after they true build everything and you know,
they went forward and arrested her and did everything, which
took forever, by the way, that was the first thing
the DA said to me was there there is no
justice in this life. And that was very profound for
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me to hear and going through everything, it really is true,
he said, you know, nothing's going to bring him back.
He goes, and nothing's going to feel like you were
served any kind of justice at the end, he goes,
I've been doing this for a very long time, and
I just I mean, probably not the right thing for
a day to say to somebody, but I appreciated the
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honesty and it was It's a fact because when.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It finally did come down.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
To sentencing for her, mine didn't feel good about it.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I didn't feel good about it.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I didn't think that she got nearly what she deserved
for taking a life, and she didn't care. She didn't
care that she killed him. She cared about how it
affected her, but at the end of the day, she
didn't care that he was gone.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
And that was that was very upsetting.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I mean, obviously the obviously, the whole thing's upsetting. But
you want this closure, you want this vindication, you want
this justice for your loved one, and I didn't get it.
I didn't get it. And the judge did what she
thought was right, and I believe she did what she
thought was right. And in the end, like the justice
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system completely failed my son and I couldn't do anything
about it, and that that is upsetting. So well, I
feel like the justice system did right for the girl
that I sat on the jury for the justice system
completely failed my son, you know, and I've seen it both.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
I've seen both sides.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
First of all, I want to say, I'm truly sorry
about your son. I know my words.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Cannot cover your sorrow or your pain.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
And I deeply appreciate you, know, for you sharing your story.
Very proud of you that you're such a strong person
and a beautiful character. And I do believe that there
is no justice in this world. I do believe you're welcome.
And I do believe, ladies and gentlemen, that you know,
when I look at all these cases, working with people
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every day, some of the stories that I see are
true horror stories, you know, having child abusers, saying children
being abused physically, mentally, sexually, working closely with apprehended children,
taking them from domestic violence and abuse, guiding and advocating
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for them, now working as a behavioral intervention specialist. True,
I must say, you know, my fight for I'm going
to tell you honestly, Monica, for justice, for peace and
respect and humanity will never stop till the day I die.
And I can move because I believe something that we
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do have written, but we never respect it. In Geneva
Convention and in New York, in the United Nations, there's
something very beautiful that is written, and it's saying, my
freedom stops that same second when I affect your freedom.
So yes we are on free and yes we do.
You know, we can do painting, you want to talk
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today or whatever, but it doesn't mean I can come,
you know, to your room and slap you or you know,
call the hair, call you the names, and or take
away your life because I'm free to do so. So unfortunately,
our society doesn't matter where in the world, we still
didn't come to that basically, you know, real conclusion, understanding
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what means being free, what means respecting freedom and respecting humankind,
you know, and cherishing one another. So I think, you know,
we are far away from that. But for me, I'll
fight for it all the day I die. That's just
the way I am, and I believe in it. I
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don't understand sometimes when people stay. For example, I was
in the courtroom with one of the apprehended children, so
I was going to be her advocate, so I was
on the side if she needs something, and when her
mother mentioned something, I'll never forget that. So the little
girl was just standing there. She was fifteen at that time,
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and so the judge was saying, do you have men
anything to say? She goes like, cose, she's Misbehaving's this,
she's that? So I made her in I will destroy her.
Oh in the middle other that, the said me, being
very very I couldn't hold it anymore. And I put
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my hand up and we address our we say your
honor or our crown. So I will say your honor
or your crown, because they present quickly, because we are
country of the Commonwealth. And I said, I have only
one suggestion here that I'm going to say.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
So and so is.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Born and made by something about whatever your religion is,
by the God gave her the you know, this life
whatever above you believe or you don't believe in. But
she's meant to be here. And I don't know how
this woman can call herself a mother and has a
right to destroy this young woman that even didn't start
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to blossom into the young woman will be, you know,
some beautiful member of society that you know, life can
give to her and she can give back so much.
And I said, I think this is very shameful and
very sad tours in front of the crown and the
judges that you are representing. He hit you know, the
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hammer and said case clothes. I'll never forget that. That's
the first time I ever spoke. Because my job is
to give medication of the children not feeling well, to
support them mentally. My ab is to shut my mouth.
But I being honest to your Monica, I couldn't do
it anymore. Sitting beside me, she was shaking, and you
know she had eating disorder. She had eating disorder, she
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had she had she was BALLOOMI what it means. She
was eating and vomiting to basically to feed her emotions.
She had anorextic neuroses because of the stress and anxiety
she had. I don't know how many times she was
sexually abused, physically abused.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
And they were talking about fourteen.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Year old lot of girl and I just couldn't handle
it anymore. And I will never forget that. And to me,
I couldn't say that. And I know at that moment,
when I look at that girl even now, I have
shivers on my hands. I'm like, how you as a
mother can say something to the child that you were carrying.
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And she looked at me when we were leaving. Actually,
I must say, the Crown did what they needed to do,
and I was really And then she looked at me
as we were leaving, and you know, and she said
something and I turned around and I smile and I said,
I'm proud of it. She said one. She said, you
are b and I said, am proud to be one. Yeah,
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proud to be one. And the reason why because after that,
the little girl she's doing great now, she is she
did finish high school, so she's entering. She she wants
to be a nurse. She's doing good. She's doing some
counseling and mental healing, of course through all the child
abuse that she's been to, but she's doing really good.
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But she is removed from the care of the abuser.
And the abuser and the one who was selling her
was her own mother.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
I can't understand the parents that. I mean, I'm glad.
I can't understand. I don't want to understand parents that
can just not care at all for their children, just
like she clearly not no care for her child. It's
beyond me because being a parent is such a gift,
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you know, it's.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Such a guess.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Not everybody's able to have.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I mean, there are many people out there that want
children that can't for the people that are able to
get this gift, and they just use the children or
just don't care about the children that I mean, it
makes me want to cry right now.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
It just breaks my heart. It just breaks my heart.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I can't imagine not loving your child with everything that
you have.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And you know, when I went to them as a
basically educator for the Red Cross, I went also we
then for the training for the child and basically for
the abuse in relationship and healthy unhealthy relationship. I went
to the college universities I still do, and I do
with the teaching. So they were talking, you know, you
learn about circle of violence and everything. So I'm really
(30:55):
proud of that because that's a big international agency. I
learned so many And then in a hospital and a
trauma sometimes when I see the stuff, I wonder how
these people can call themselves a parent. I'm sorry to
see it. You know, it's quite disturbing, quite horrible. So
you know, you sitting here representing a beautiful, strong mother,
(31:19):
somebody who's a fighter like I can see for human
life it makes me really happy to have you here
in studios, so you know, it's always a pleasure to
have such a positive energy. And that then brings me
to another question. You said, you know, you did lots
of research on different kind of serial killers, and did
you ever accidentally maybe passed by one, or ever seeing one,
(31:42):
or you know, maybe or in an area they didn't
know that one existed.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Everything. I know, it sounds creepy, but it's true.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Well, I mean that's fascinating, and I do think about that,
you know, because there is God, there's this statistic that
I read somewhere that says you the average person meets
like one or two killers in their lifetime or something
like that, Like you cross paths with them. Whether whether
or not you're their their type of victim is another thing,
hopefully or not.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
But yeah, I do think about that.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
You know. Is there any time that I was almost
a victim and I didn't know it? Is there a
time that you know, I looked at somebody or that
weird feeling I got, you know, because oh yeah, you know,
when something's wrong with somebody, you know, like if you're
in tune to energy, which I tried to be, you know,
(32:35):
you know, when you're in hear somebody that is not
good and and I mean I couldn't answer that, of course,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
I think.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
I think that my I think that my first husband
had the potential because he had all the ear markings
of one and if I think he had continued on,
he very easily could have done that. So there was
the animal abuse, there was the victims, like the personal abuse.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
There was all of that that.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
You see as earmarks to serial killers or potential serial killers.
So I think I dodged a bullet in that regard.
But as far as just you know, nameless faces in
the rabble, I'm sure I have.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
And it's interesting to me you know, who was who?
Who was it? Which one of these people?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
It was potentially the serial killer that cross paths with me.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
No, And that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
And you mentioned something that you know, I would like
to ask you a question about, like you're saying, the
energy and the vibes, and did you ever you know,
did you ever maybe because I know you also do
energy work, did you ever meet a person you know
that maybe had that energy or maybe you firm that
(33:59):
they could doing something wrong?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
How did you feel about.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
That, so the energy I got, okay, So.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I think he had that in him, but he didn't
know it, and he had some social.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Ineptitudes.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Let's say he was a little socially strange, which is fine.
Some people are. I don't judge you, like not everybody
is a people person, right, that's not a big deal.
But exhamit energy you're giving off, or if you're doing
something and I know you're doing it maliciously, but you're
trying to play it off like it was a mistake
(34:41):
or it was a misunderstanding, but I know it was
malicious intent, Like you feel that energy. I distanced myself
as much as possible. Now, there were some instances where
I couldn't not be in this person's vicinity, and when
I was, it was he was very much focused on me.
(35:06):
So I was trying to like not be alone with
that person or you know, keep my distances, you know.
And then the times where I had to like interact,
I always try to just placate them or I just like,
oh yeah, sure, I mean, just play along with it,
because you know, even though he was like about my
size and considerably thinner, I was like I remember at
(35:28):
one point it was I was alone in a car
with him. I couldn't get out of it, and I
just remember looking at him thinking I can take him
if I have to, Like it's going to be a fight.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Oh my lord, wow, you know, we are so proud
of you. And now I'm gonna flip the coin, and
ladies and gentlemen, I think you're going to like what
I'm going to ask. Now, what about colts, like somebody
like famous Heaven's Gate. What do you think.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
About them, that Heaven's Gate cult? Yes, yes, specifically Heaven's Gate. Oh,
you know, any cult is interesting to me because really
they're luring in the people that are just so lost
(36:19):
and looking for a place to belong on one level
or another. These people are missing something, and the cult
leader is the one to sweet talk them and tell
them that, you know, tell them all the things that
they want to hear, to get them to join in,
(36:43):
to go along with these things. Because let's look like
at first it seems very innocuous, I'm sure, and it
just gets progressively more abusive, and it's like the turtle soup,
right or the frog soup? Right? You put those put
it in cold water and turn up.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
The heat, and it doesn't know what's going on. I
feel like cults are the same thing.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Now, Heaven's Gate specifically, I haven't really like studied, I know,
just from a general over.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
The CNN and CBC all media sources.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
So I haven't like dug into Heavens Gate specifically, but
I'm sure it's just like any other cult, and they're
all dangerous, you know. Some of them are just a cult,
cult of cults, cults, and some of them are like
Heaven's Gate or like Jim Jones.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
You know, they're they're out.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
You know, what do you think about any of them?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Did you ever study any of them that you really
or maybe you know, maybe they all at research or
something that you taught. Really that's extraordinary about that cult group.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
You know, I haven't. I haven't studied them in depth,
Like I couldn't narrow down anyone that, Yeah, that is
more interesting than the other, because they're all fascinating in
their own right, because each one of them has a
different lure, right, a different hook to get you to
join in and just go right on along. And there
(38:18):
are some like there are some offshoots of major organized religions.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
I feel our cults too.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
And what about David Koresh remember him. That was even
more on CNN Military is Coming Swat Team.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
That was quite a show. I'm sorry to see it.
He was horrible. I'll never forget that. And you know
General Reno coming in.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
We were watching it live from the TV from our
living rooms and I was live blocked.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
You know, I was very young then.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Of course, I was like, is it possible that you know,
we have swat teams, We have these professionals, They can
handle these guys. So I think that many things in
there went really wrong. That most and the worst thing
that the children die.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Yes, That's what's particularly disturbing in any of them is
when the children are looped in and caught in this atrocity,
no matter what it is, whether it's something like you know,
what happened down in Waco or you know, again going
back to like Jones in the kool aid, you know,
(39:26):
I mean if any time a child is harmed is
particularly upsetting, especially when they're there with their parents, and
the parents are just they don't know any better, or
they're brainwashed into thinking that this is the right thing
to do. In that child just doesn't have any any
say for themselves. You know, and so I've like regarding
(39:49):
Waco specifically because I had just moved to Texas, I think,
or I hadn't been here very long when that happened,
and I thought it was a cut and dry, like
the cult leader went nuts, and the military and you know,
the US came in and did their thing. But I've
heard so many conspiracy stories since then from other people saying,
(40:10):
oh no, like he was trying to negotiate to get
the children out and they you know, he told them, hey,
you know, if you're going to come in, we have
the children all barricaded in this one area. Please don't
like fire on this area. Please don't throw the nerve
gaps or whatever it was into this area. But that's
like the first place they went after he said that.
So I don't know what to think because I don't
(40:32):
know that that's documented anywhere. It's just my friends who
are conspiracy here people have an author thing, So I
can't confirm like any of that. But hearing that, I'm thinking,
you know, I don't trust our government either.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
I don't, So I mean, that's completely plausible to me. Again,
I'm not saying that did happen, but I could see
it happening.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
You know, I definitely could.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
And you brought something up very important. Ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So many of you are sharing wonderful stories there. You know,
I do keep my eyes everywhere. You went something on
what it's very important and that's like you said that
some of the religions that are part of the religions
around the world today, just North America, Canada, and you know,
you say, because you know they're all around, so let's
(41:26):
touch somebody that it's very important that it's constantly in media,
that it's constantly you know, talking about controlling people, controlling
their mind, how they're feeling, what they're doing. There's many
powerful people in it. And that's scientology. What do you
think about.
Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah, scientology is.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Tom Cruise.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Yeah, I mean what everybody thinks of initially. But I
mean it's based on from my understanding, of course, it's
based on like science fiction books.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
It's based on.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Books from science writer. Yes, that's true, that's true. What
I don't know, Superman and many other things.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah, I mean, it's the religion in itself is a
science fiction novel.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
If you really listen to like the people.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
That got out of it and are are speaking out
against it. You know, I don't know, like when when
Tom Cruise eventually crosses over, if they're not going to
just prop him up and pretend he's still alive and
start worshiping Tom Cruise. That's how strong he is in
that organization, that religion. And I just I don't understand
(42:40):
how so many people can just follow it because it's
so bizarre to me.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
What little bit I have.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Heard from it is just really strange. And I have
to I don't want to pick on Anyboddy's religion. Like
if you if you believe in that that's one hundred
percent find then that is your prerogative.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Well they're not thinking, they're just discussing, of course. Yeah,
it's just a discision. I don't understand it.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
Uh yeah, I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Like and what about you know, huh go ahead, sorry,
go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
I was just gonna say the Mormon religion also is
a little odd to me. You know, it's like these
golden tablets that were found and like the Northeast under
some rocks and we're you know, like magic underwear, and
I mean, of course I don't know the religion and
depth so I mean just a little bit that I
(43:37):
do know. It's just like again, it's like what but hey,
if if that is how you choose to worship the Creator,
then as long as you're not hurting anybody, I'm cool.
The minute you start hurting people, then I am not
cool with your anything.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
And and that's I want to say thank you to
big Foot, Big Bigfoot. This is for a couple of
your favorite LMFU not so I'm trying to find that comment.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
To share it.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Yeah, he's target New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I'm having a trouble. I'm having a trouble downloading it
on my side. So thank you for such a beautiful comment.
And you know it's always and you guys, I want
to now you mentioned Mormon religion.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
We are no. Thank you so much bm R.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
You know what you're going to use that five bucks
Monica be going for a coffee or forty teen?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
There we go. Yeah, thank you so so much.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
You're a sweetheart, has a this gentleman has a big soul,
beautiful heart. And don't forget to check out his shows
because they're always interesting and full of much you know, knowledge,
different stories and great topics. So you know you mentioned
something that is quite interesting, and that's when we talk
about religion. You know my background, you know, I do
(45:08):
basically ancient history and ancient studies, so and symbology.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
That's what I do.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
But also I wear many different hats. But you mentioned Mormons.
Of course, we are not here to discuss anybody's religion.
You guys, as long as you believe and you're not
harming anybody, you can believe if you want to believe
in this Cinderella behind me, what I really don't mind.
But what I have an issue when the people and
the children are hurt. And now we're going to talk
(45:35):
about something and that's Jeff Born. What do you think
about Jeff Born and all of these cultish you know,
issues and abuse of children and using child brides.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
And stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
To what do you think about that, because that's still.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
All over this aspective the Mormon where he was marrying
off the fourteen year old Yes, yes, okay, yeah, So
I watched a whole documentary about that and they were
interviewing the girls that were able to escape, and how horrific,
(46:12):
how horrific, and how oppressive to know as a young
woman that you're going to get married off to some
dude who's like your dad's brother or your grandpa's brother,
like your grandfather, even.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Like age, and you have no saying it. You have
to put up with it.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
And you're not just his wife, you're one of his wives,
which means there are several other and that's just a
form of abuse, not just for the girls that are
bearing married off into it, but.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
The multiple wives too.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
I mean, some of these women are my age right,
being married off to these guys.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
And.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Anywhere where your rights are suppressed, regardless of right, regardless
of gender, regardless of anything.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
If you're oppressing people's.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
Rights' that's not okay. I mean the abuse aside right,
the essay, the obvious child abuse, just oppressing.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Women in general.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
Makes me so mad that some people in some societies
and some organizations have not evolved beyond that is maddening.
It is maddening, you know, like just because you're a woman,
you don't have the right to say anything. Your opinion
doesn't mean anything, sir, No, no.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
You know.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
And I feel bad for the women that were raised
to believe this because they are wholeheartedly behind it in
a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
And it's quite quite sad when we see or hear
that smurfy.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
Very Yeah, sending someone to prison for life is far
worse than a death sentence, as it should be. I agree,
I agree, But I also see Now this is where
I'm probably going to differ from some a lot of opinions.
I do believe in the death penalty. I don't think
it's something that should be just thrown around easily.
Speaker 5 (48:21):
You know, but if there is.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
Irrefutable evidence there are some crimes I think do deserve death.
You're just stealing my oxygen at this point. You know,
if there are serial killers and we know it is
this person, there is DNA linking them to it, and
they have a multitude of victims, I see no need
for them to rot in prison because that is a
waste of our resources or or I feel very strongly
(48:48):
that if we are going to put people in prison,
your rights are revoked as an American citizen, and it
should be prisons like they have in South America or Russia. Yeah,
we're not going to have repeat offenders with us.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
That's oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
You know the who has I know it's gonna sound crazy, Monica,
do you know which country has the like the top
way of running the prison. And the least of them
coming back.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
Isn't it den Markers or something Finland, It's.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
You know, the zero point three percent of them come back.
So I think we are like here in Canada that
they have uh they even have like a little of
campers where the ladies can come and visit them. We
have barbecued, they have TVs. It's a go like they
especially for one that I'm talking they're really serial criminals.
(49:45):
I'm like, okay, they have barbecue this. I'm like why
they're in there, Like what's the point. So is it
a vacation or what it is? So I do agree that, uh,
I'm sorry to say it. You did the crime, you
need to do the And then I think if you
really harm the child of the man, it doesn't matter
your psychopath or sociopath, and we found you that you're
(50:08):
dangerous to the others and to entire communities. I don't
think we need to actually waste the money, because we
can build the hospitals, give money to homeless shelters, you know,
give money for education and stuff that instead of you know,
putting it in there building these walls that they're like
building a new China wall or something like that, and
(50:28):
they're sitting and having fun behind there, you know, while
we're paying from it because it comes from our taxes.
So it's quite fantastic. I love it. Yeah, so I
totally agree with that. Before I let you go, Monica,
I would like one conclusive question that you know, I
would like to know what do you think? And of
course you don't have to choose, you know, but what
(50:50):
it's either saying what do you think who's worst? Soaciopath
or psychopath in your mind was the worse?
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Hmmm, I know, I put you on a spot.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Now, Yeah, so they're both terrible. So I would say
a sociopath is worse in my opinion just because.
Speaker 5 (51:20):
A psycho so a psychopath. I'm trying to I don't know.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
Oh that's tough.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
That's because there's.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
Psychopath and sociopath. There's such a fine line.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
It is it is and if you I decided, there's
nothing wrong, uh wrong you know with that? So I
want you guys to think about it. Everybody in a chat,
who is.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Worse for you? Sociopath or psychopath? It's or for me?
I don't know who's worse. They're both terrible.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
And I think that deserve the same sentences, They deserve
the same judgment, They deserve the same.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
The end result is the same, honestly, the end results.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
We have bad people on both sides.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
It's just like, yeah, well, if I'm quiet and nobody
knows that I'm doing this, you know, and I have
these issues and I'm hiding behind this, you know, they're
a paperbag and nobody sees I'm a loner blah blah,
and the one, Oh, I'm so intelligent and I can
do this and I'm charming and so again that people
have used people qualifying scenes on both sides. So if
(52:26):
you ask me who the words, I don't think they're
both the monic evil and they both desert of a
judgment that should be fair for the victims, not for them.
Speaker 5 (52:36):
That theopath I.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Don't know, see, I would lean more towards soio sociopath
just because they don't care. They don't they don't understand,
you know, like psychopaths. Okay, psychopaths understand like I'm hurting
somebody like this is you know, Yeah, it's terrible that
I don't care. Where sociopaths are completely unable to understand,
(52:58):
like how they are her people.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
Gosh, that is.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Difficult, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
But like I love what you said, Monica, and I
respect that outcome is the same. We have innocent victims,
we have horrible crime scenes, we have bloodshed everywhere. So
I personally think, yeah, we conclude in which group they
belong to, but the judgment should be fair and square
(53:27):
and justice should be served for the victims that you know,
they are pain and everything that they went through, or
if they lost a lot one at least they felt
that we didn't forget them and that they're not going
to trash because if you're a sociopath or psychopath, so
to me, judgment should be very harsh on both sides.
(53:49):
So I respect what you're saying. Again, Monica, tell us
where we can see your show, where people can join
you and you know, to see your lovely faith.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
And what do you do on the Texas front Forge.
Speaker 4 (54:03):
So my podcast is called Our Paranormal World and I
go live every Thursday on YouTube. I share it out
to all of my subscribers. So if you are one
of the people that love to listen to these on YouTube,
go over to Our Paranormal World. There are a few
of them on YouTube, So define mine. You would have
(54:25):
to type in Monica's paranormal World all run together and
it should take you right to my page. And I
also have a Facebook page, so I share little things
on there. I have an Instagram that I create reels
on and I do little ninety second short snippets about
different fay and different things, and it's a lot of
(54:46):
fun and.
Speaker 5 (54:47):
You might learn something new.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
So if you're so inclined, pop on over check out
a couple of my shows, and if you like them,
it's subscribe.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
And I'm sure Minka will have you back. You and
I will have to arrange a show so you can
come back to DVS Dimension. I'm sure we'll have fun
on behalf of myself and my big broad text. I
want to say thank you so much for joining us today,
you know, sharing so much love, so much personality, a
positive energy and personal story that I deeply respect us.
(55:19):
I know everybody in child do, so thank you everybody
for joining us on Infamous Minds. You guys have a wonderful,
lovely evening, Happy Labor Day, enjoy and don't forget always.
God bless you all. God bless America in Canada, and
be happy because freedom is prices. Love you all, good night,
(55:40):
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