Infamous Minds - Ep 43 - The Golden Age of Serial Killers

What was the Golden Age of serial killers and why?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hm, I got a nightmares in my head. I fear

(00:25):
the hospilled up until I can't here that my mind
fills up into a creature and it haunts me.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Somewhere in March, Welcome to infamous minds. Hey, hey, hey,
whoa what are you woing about?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Cause I look up and I was in front you
s would be a and that's that, Thank you straight God. Yeah,
we're good now. A long as you're happy, that's all
it matters. I'm glad somebody realizes the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey, yeah, well I've known you long enough to know.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah, you know what I have sense.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Trained yet that is what it is. Be kind? How
are you, darling? Say hello to as many people as
I can real quick. Okay, Andrew Andrew, Andrew Andrew Andrew
the mister Nac Denise Coops of course, be kind again?

(01:52):
Uh uh hey, truth or pen falls in here? Imagine
that I saw Kimber in here earlier. There. John's down there, yeah, John,
Jason Rosemary Smurf. Did I say, Denise.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yep Rock and Rory Rock and Rory.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yep Rock and Rory Yeah. I think Hey, I think
I think I got everybody right now.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Hopefully that's cool.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And if you're if you're watching the if if you
were more were or are watching the rest of that
god awful game between Detroit and Dallas, I apologize.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, you got nothing better to do than come
here and listen.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
So yeah, you're you're better off listen than us right now, that's.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
For sure, unless you're Rob Obviously.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Surprisingly, I have not got a from him.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
You and I did text him and tell him, hey,
we might have gave you the wrong receiver to use today.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I told him I'd do that on purpose. But real quick,
I want to go over a couple of things. One
the eighteenth, nineteenth, which is next weekend. Quite a few
of us are going to be the Ports family is

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going to be in Jefferson at the conference, and we
plan on going out after the conference. We always go
to a karaoke bar and have some fun. If you
want to see the front porch rendition of stuff like
Bohemian Rhapsy, you know, come join in, or you jump

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on the stage, be a you know, sing with us,
or you can just sit around and want and take
pictures and laugh or whatever. And then the following weekend,
which is the twenty.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
What is it, Yeah, the twenty fifth.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, the twenty fifth. See, so Friday is the twenty fifth,
is that what you're telling me?

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay, so that Sunday and Monday, I'm doing a camp
out in Brown Springs. So Sunday night Monday night. If
you want to join, let me know, and you know,
I'll yeah, I mean the phone numbers out there, just

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just hit me up and let me know you're coming.
I'm not furnishing everything anything, folks, but I do bring
extra stuff with me, so if you if you need something,
If you if you can't go just because you don't
have camping gear or something, hit me up. Will work
something out. But yeah, I mean we you know, we

(05:03):
go out there, we have a good time and and uh,
if we're lucky, something happens, and usually it does. Phebe
b and pops. You don't come unless.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Bring a note from your doctor.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yes, we're going to I'm going to Fishead, Gary, going
to Fishead. See, and that's cool. We can say that,
and and nobody really knows where it's at except for
people it's been.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
There, Yell, I've been there. I don't know which one it.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Is, right, but yeah, I'll be out there. I'm leaving
from work that Sunday morning, so that will put me
up there about seven thirty in the morning. Yeah, yep, so,
but it's supposed to be you know, great camp up

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and the weather. You know, I'm looking forward to, really
looking forward to. So the show, Danielle is doing Thanksgiving
with her family and some friends, so she has got
the day off. You will see her and Donnie tomorrow.
They're going to an open line show, so they're going
to drop the Lincoln Chat and any of y'all can

(06:22):
get up there, you can get readings or whatever you
want from her. Should be a cool show. We've got,
of course the Jefferson Conference, hopefully Danielle is gonna make it. Yeah.
Andy's gonna come down probably for the day. Yep. Yeah,
Me and Jason's going to be there. Donnie Chow's flying in.

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Monica is planning on going and by the way, we're
doing a night out show starting at ten o'clock tonight,
me and Monica, so y'all be on the watch out
for that. And we also are going to have mary
Lynn bast with Psychics Paranormal with us and we're gonna

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have a good time. We're gonna have a good time.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Uh And and honestly,
we we we we've seen all that, We've seen all
the spills from all the people that speak, so we
don't do that. We go to hang out with each other.
These are these opportunities for all of us on the
porch to get together and see all of you. So

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but if you come find Craig wool Heater and tell
him you came to see the porch people, Hey, that's
what we're gonna be. Porch people people. That sounds creepy,
porch people.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
I go to hang out with you, guys.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I go to hang out with people I know, I
mean because you know you got I mean Canon.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Anne will be there, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
So I'll say how to Anne and uh what you.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
What y'all to do? Y'all to snag snag Keith and
and bring him with you?

Speaker 4 (08:06):
I would, but last I heard he was up in
Vermont doing the the Fall Leaves tour.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
So ah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
I'll send him a text. I'll send him a text
and see if he if he wants to, and we'll
make a day of it.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Maybe.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Now it's still Saturday all day, right, is that what
it is?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Or is it Friday?

Speaker 2 (08:27):
No Friday nights? There? Yeah, that's right, Saturday.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
That's when we did the karaoke. Was that Friday night?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
If I remember right.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
I wonder if they do karaoke on that Saturday night
or not. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
We'll find out. But yeah, we're gonna have a good
time no matter what.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Oh yeah, there's no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
So I don't care if we have to karaoke Friday
and shoty not. We're going a good time.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
We'll go outside out front and do our own karaoke.
How's that?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
There you go, there you go. We'll put my hat
down on the ground. See if we can get money.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Only we make you dance. That's all.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
So well, if I'll even work for you, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
No, no, no, no no. I said dance. I didn't
say discussed. I said dance.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I throw my damn back out, but.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
We're not picking you up, forget it.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I started to show a little eardie today because this
this we got five people to talk about, and so
I figured this might go a little long. And I
didn't want to step on Duke's toes because he does
us the same favor so. But what we're talking about

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is what's known as the go Golden Age of serial killers,
and what that is, it's it's a period of time
that stretches thirty years and it's from nineteen seventy to
two thousand is really what it what it is what
they call the Golden the Golden Age of serial killers

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because in that in that time period, there were five
serial five the big five were active all at the
same time. And those big five are John Wayne Gacy,
Gary Ridgeway, bt K help me out here, any Ted,

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Ted Bundy and and Dahmer. Yep. That was they were
all active, and some of them were active the entire period,
like Ridgeway and and bt K. Yeah, because and if
they if they had never if those two would have
never came back and did what they did, they had

(11:12):
never gotten caught. No, that was the well I think
that that Ridgeway would have because it was the DNA
from one of his first victims that got him caught.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah. But with Raider, with with with bt K.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
All he had to do was when he when he
was done the first time, stop, don't do it again.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Yeah, exactly. He thought he was smarter than them.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
And if anybody, anybody wants to understand that, watch Mine Hunter.
There's only two seasons of it, but watch Mine Hunter.
That gets you into a little bit more of what
you want to talk about with BTK.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
That dude was.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
It was cool the way they portrayed him, not saying
his actions were good, but it was just it made
you think.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Well, I'll tell you what you know. And that show
the guy that trade Camper. Yeah, and he was another
one of those that were active during that time period,
and also Son of Sam. There were a lot, and
that's why they call it the Golden Age, but the
Big Five is what they call the ones I just
named off.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
But you also had Son of Sam. You also in
the seventies, you also had Zodiac.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Oh yeah, but but you know Zodiac was a number one.
Wait did they ever figure out who Zodiac actually was?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
No?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Think about it about to say it was never caught, right,
not for those murders anyway, mm hmm, Okay, I had
to look at I had to look that one up
because that was what I was thinking about.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
It is like I thought they got him, but maybe
they didn't. I'm not for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
And see two of these two of these two of
these people, two of these serial killers, broke the mold
on really what what they They had to rewrite the
book on these two because for several reasons. And that's
bt K and Gary Ridgeway. Because they both went dormant
for years and that just does not happen very often.

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And the reason the reason bt K went dormant was
because his kids were born, and the reason Ridgeway went
dormant was because he got married. Yeah, but they didn't stay,
they didn't they didn't kill in that short period of

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time or period of time when they were dormant. But
what they were the one in Texas, Canada that was
in the fifties, I think the town that dreaded sundown
the phantom. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, because my mother's best
friend was one of his victims. So reason I know that,

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but uh, it was. It's very one. It's very unusual
for these people to hold down be able to hold
down a job for a long period of time. Gary
Ridgeway held down a job for thirty years. He was

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a painter at Peterbilt.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
And if you'll look at the pictures that I've got
posted and let me see if I can go ahead
and make that a a an overlay, an overlay, so
we can look at those pictures, because if you look
at these guys with the pictures I've got loaded, they
are they don't look like anything. I mean, they.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Look like you're seeing Mom Paul cattle down the road, right.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, you're seeing you're seeing the side of the these
people that fooled people. Yeah, and that's another reason that
these that they went so long and were so successful.
And I know that's a bad word to use, but
that's what they were. This picture of John Wayne Gacy

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up here that is actually first Lady Nixon that he's with. Yeah, okay,
he was head of the Democratic Party. He was. I
never can remember the name of the other organization, the
JA the j c's he was. He was a leader
in the j c's, which is what they do is

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they take young men and basically groom them. But it's
a leadership program, is what it is. And there's a
lot of ex presidents that are that were j c's
and and and a lot of a lot of famous people.
And but he led a double life. He was a
pillar of the community.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yeah, you know. And then if you go over to
b t. K. Well, he was kind of the same way.
He was a deacon in the church. He was president
of the men's auxiliary. He was he held a job
as a code enforcement for the city. Yeah. Now he
was a jerk when he was doing it. He was

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one of the people that would go out and break
out a ruler and measure your grass. He he had
a he had a woman's dog put in the pound
and then had it put down just to mess with her,

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you know, and.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
It really does.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I mean he he was a very sadistic person. Now,
like I said, Gary Ridgeway, he was. If you hear
his wife talk about his ex wife talk about him,
he was the most loving guy and great husband until

(17:10):
all this came out. Yeah. No, never raised his hand
to her or nothing. I'll tell you who I feel
sorry for. Aside from their victims. Well there there there
dead victims is their family. Now you know about Ted Bundy.

(17:37):
Ted Bundy was a charmer. He was going to law school.
And what you might not know about him is he
escaped twice.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, especially early on. I mean when but they yeah,
but think about when when he escaped. Though they also
didn't have him under as a.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
How can I put it?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
The the maximum? You know what I'm talking about. He
wasn't considered a violent offender at that point.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well he was, But the thing about it is he
was supposed to be. They had him the first time
he escaped. They had him in a courthouse and in
a room by himself. The guard took a break for
a smoke, and he bailed out of a second story window. Yeah,

(18:34):
but did they have it. They didn't have him him.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, they did not use for for what he was
supposedly being incarcerated for and being arrested for. He did
not have near the chef the restraints he should Yeah,
he should.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Have never been. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
After they caught him the first time, I think it
was what was it six or nine days after they
caught him, and then they moved him to a higher
security jail which was supposed to be you know, we
couldn't get out of it.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, we know how that works out, hang on.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Got it blocked off what you name? Looking for what?

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, oh okay. But they moved him into this other
jail which was supposed to be a whole lot more secure,
and he figured out that his air vent was it

(19:54):
was twelve by twelve and his lawyer actually helped him
lose weight. I saw that. I saw his an interview
with his lawyer and helped him lose weight. And he
shimmied up. He shomed through a twelve by twelve vent

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in his ceiling, made his way down the air duct
and got out. Now, from that point, from that point
he went on, he went on a run. That's when
he went across the country, ended up in Florida.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
That's yeah, I'm looking. I'm reading a little bit on
the on the first escape especially. Yeah, you know, I'm
sitting there because you know, this was all in Colorado,
So I'm sitting there just reading through it a little bit,
you know, just kind of look at him like this
dude really wanted out bad. But once again, I'm still

(20:54):
looking at him, like why was he not shackled?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, I don't I don't get at it all, but
he should have been.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
The judge told him they didn't have to leg her
handcuffing leg shackler had handcuffy.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
I'm like, yeah, what brain did are you? Are you
trying to be dude? Think about it? What is he
in front of you for?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Why do you he was a master at putting people
at ease think that they could trust him.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely, he was. He was a charmer, you know,
he was a good look to do. And look what
and he did some things that hum the whole Uh.
And if you watch Silence of the Lambs where Buffalo

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Bill wear's the cast on his arm, Yeah, and tricks
the girl into helping him move the furniture, that's what
Bundy did one time outside of a library.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Uh. And then the he went to there was a
beach that he went to and he abducted and killed
two girls on the same day from that beach.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
And and how long did it take them to figure
that out to Well.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
It didn't that That's kind of what broke the case
really was was because he he introduced themselves as Ted. Well,
then his girlfriend called the cops and said, hey, I
think this is my boyfriend. Well, the cops blew it
all out.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Once again. You got somebody that is calling in a
tip on a.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Murder to a tip line that they set up.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yeah, and you're just gonna blow it off.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
And you want to know why that blew it off
because she said that he drove a ten Volkswagen but
which he did. Okay, yeah, okay, the person that took
the call, the information they had on they had was wrong,
and they said it was a bronze Volkswagen bug. And

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she says, are you sure, She goes and the person
told her, yes, yes, it is a bronze Volkswagen bug,
so it's not him.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Okay. They here's my first question on that one too.
Now this goes to the the law enforcement side of it.
Can somebody point me in ever point me to an
actual bronze bug? No, I don't recall there ever being

(23:47):
that being in a color option. First of all, yeah,
now you should repaint it. Yeah, and you could have
repainted it, sure, yeah, bronze really, lady, come on, now,
let's use a little Thomas.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
But that's that's why that that tip got blown off,
or they'd have had him. They had had him right there,
because he introduced himself around the beach as Ted. That's
how they knew they were looking for a guy named Ted. Okay, Yeah,
the calls in says her boyfriend's name Ted drives a
Volkswagen bug fits the description.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
And the brown and not bronze.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Okay, First of all, tip person, I'm coming to smacking
you upside the head with a fish because you're an idiot.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Okay, uh right, And.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Whoever's monitoring it, you still have to even at the
tip line, they're supposed to report it higher, right, period, right.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
And the thing about it is, in a lot of
these in a lot of these cases where these guys
are real successful to have a lot of victims. You
see where the ball got dropped. Lot. But you also
have to remember, Okay, it's just like the Aulturro case,
the family that BTK killed. His first killing, he killed

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four members of a family. Okay, the yeah, he did
because he went all around Lakes Sammish Park giving his
name of Ted, trying to get trying to talk girls
into his car, and he succeeded twice, and he took
her off, killed her, raped her and killed her, came

(25:32):
back and got a second one and did the same thing.
It's insane, But btk's first killing was the Ultro family. Now,

(25:56):
the crime scenes were not treated as they are are today. No, Okay,
you had numerous law law enforcement wandering around in the
crime scene. You had members of the media wandering around
in the active crime scene. You had a higher up

(26:17):
official in the police department that came in, went in
the kitchen, made him a glass of water, left the
ice tray out out on the cabinet, and when they
saw the ice trail, they assumed it was from the
killer and the ice hadn't melted yet, so and you
didn't have DNA.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Not at that point, you know, but blood typing was
all they could do, right.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
But you also see people that are in law enforcement
that really are forward thinking. Okay, now, I know this
sounds like a bunch of Keystone cops out there some cases,
yet does it really does? But you had some detectives
out there that had a very very forward thinking way

(27:09):
before their time they took. In that case, there was
one detective and the young girl was he had hung
her in the basement from a pipe and satisfied himself

(27:30):
on the floor. Okay, and uh, yeah, he he relieved
himself while I don't mean taking a leak, but he
relieved himself while or pleasure to himself while she was
setting while he watched her strangle to death hanging, which

(27:55):
I know that's just absolutely just horrible. But the one
of the detectives when took samples of the fluid, Yeah,

(28:17):
the seminal fluid and they saved it. And that was
one of the things in two thousand and six is
when he got caught. I believe or was that that
may have been Ridgeway.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
I think that was two thousand, two thousand and six.
Who were we talking about, Bundy b DK oh BTK Yeah, no,
BTK was Uh. He was arrested because I was looking
at his mok shot because he looks like old Michael
Michael Ironside in the moke shot.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Uh, he was arrested.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Hang on uh date apprehended two thousand and five, twenty fifth,
two thousand and five. Yeah, he was in the Air
Force at one time as a staff startant.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Just to let everybody know that.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well, so Ridgeway was in the navy.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yep, Ridgeway was in the navy. Uh, let's see. Gacy
was not in anything. Dohmer wasn't in anything. I don't
think Bundy was either.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Look at that. Bundy was a college boy.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah, he was a college boy. I thought he was
smarter than everyboy. Everybody.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah. Well, and you know, even the judge told him,
he says, if you hadn't went down the road that
you did, you'd have made a good lawyer.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Probably would have made a hell of a politician too.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Mm hm, Well that was that was it. That's what
he wanted to do. But he couldn't get he couldn't
get his urges under control.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, yeah, and you're right, I mean the judge of
the one hundred percent right too. If he could have, if
he could have controlled it and kept it way on
the download because you know, nowadays they'd have been they'd
been digging into everything.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
But you know, right, but he could have been successful.
I mean, most of your politicians are kind of the
main mind the same mindset as these guys. Yeah, you know,
they have those tendants, they have the same kind of tendencies.
They just don't go you.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Know, yeah, the narcissistic tendencies.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, and some of them even having psychopathic tendencies. And
and Kimber's right there. There was basically no communication between
different departments much I mean even precincts, much less departments,
you know, so there was no information shared. That's why

(30:43):
when Bundy was going across the country and this was
smarter him, he he he. When they got on his trail,
he moved from like Washington, Utah, Oregon, Colorado because they
didn't they didn't talk, you know. Yeah, Dahmer was in

(31:08):
the army for a short time.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to read.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Somebody asked, I think it was ed Geen as somebody
had asked. I think it was a little petty asked
what serial killer put the ad in the paper for
a couch? I think it was ed Gen. I'm trying
to verify that right now.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, but ed Gen, you know, technically, well with the
revised with the revised definition of a serial killer, he's
a serial killer because they shortened it from three victims
to two. Well technically I guess he would have had
three because he killed two women and his brother.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Yeah, yeah, they didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
They never proved that he killed his brother. It got
it was it was labeled as an accidental death. How
you accidentally beat yourself in the heead of the shovel?

Speaker 4 (32:08):
But you know whatever that and I can't tell you either, honestly.
I mean that's.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
That old boy Wentworth. Well, yeah you know that we knew,
you know.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, with but with a gean, you know, you really
you could say serial killer. But I don't know if
I was, because they found him legally insane, So I
don't know if you really consider him a serial killer
or not touched in the head. Oh yeah, by Jack.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Well, the thing about ed Gan was, you know when
they when they walked into when they went into raided
his house, the horror stuff that they found. He was
the one that had the lamp shades made out of
human skin, the cereal buls made out of caraniums, the
suit made of out of a woman, you know, skin

(33:04):
and everything, or a vest actually, but those were all
from and and he had one one woman hung up
and were dressed around like a deer. But most of
those were dead bodies that he went and dug up.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, they weren't the one ones he killed. They were
already there, They were already dead. He was just using
the bodies for what he wanted to use it.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
For, right, right, he killed. I think it was a
bartender and a woman that ran a hardware storage the
ones he killed.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah, I'm trying to.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
I can't find that it was him that put an
ad in the paper for a couch though. That's that
was the specific question about it. That's what I'm trying
to look up. But it's neither here nor there as
part as the actual you know, the five were talking about.
But I was having to find that funny one. I
was looking at it like, wait a second, was it him?

Speaker 4 (33:56):
And now I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
You know, I'll do some more research and little Patty,
I'll leave a note in the in the in the
comments after the fact, let's let you kind of know
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
But yeah, it was. It was crazy, man, It's yeah.
It's like with Gary Ridgeway, Gary Ridgeway, they arrested this guy,
this other guy for the motor for the motors for
the murders, and he felled a lighting techer test. Well,

(34:34):
they also brought Ridgeway in and had him take a
lighting techer test and he passed it.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah, you know, tycle.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Paths are not going to fell because they don't they
don't have any you know the famous line from Silence
and Lands when he's talking about what he did to
the nurse and his pulse never got above eighty five.
That's these guys because is they don't look at it,
and they don't look at these people as people. They

(35:04):
dehumanize them, the objectifying Yeah, you know, hey, Jojoe, so
you know I ain't cam. But yeah, it's just you can
you can blame part of this, especially like what really
gets me about some of these is like Dahmer. When

(35:26):
Dahmer had that fifteen year old black kid, and again
it was a different time, folks. These you got to remember,
this was law enforcements wanted. They did not want to
deal with homosexuals at all at all. It was actually

(35:46):
legal in San Diego or San Francisco. It was actually
legal California as a whole.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Yeah, California as a whole, I think.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
But it was actually legal to mug a homosexual. You know,
they just kind of it may not have been legal,
but it was like they just turned their head. They
just would look the other way. But when he had
this fifteen year old kid and he had done he

(36:19):
had drugged him and all this kind of stuff, and
he escaped and he's running down the freaking road naked,
and the cops, they somebody called the cops. They show up,
and Dahmer convinces these cops that not only is he

(36:41):
is this guy of age, but he's his lover and
he's just drunk. And they handed this guy back over
to Dama.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Yeah, just because they did not want to deal with it.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
It's like, what.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Now we were talking about damer right, somebody says something
he was in the army recently. You remember when we
went to the we go to the Alabama Bigquo Confers.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Where's it located? Anniston, Alabama?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Right?

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, Fort McClellan area. That's where he went to basic
training at.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I'm McLelland huh Fort.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
McClellan, Alabama. And he ended up at his first station,
Fort Sam Houston, Texas.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Which is funny because there's like three serial killers that
come out of Anniston.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Exactly like Dad Gum.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
But yeah, it's when you start looking into these cases
and seeing one the lack of tools that law enforcement had.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Okay, yeah, compared to what they have now.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Especially Yeah, it was a big part of them of
these guys. Are these people not getting caught because there
was angels of death too, and you know and uh
black widows and that type of thing back in the day. Yeah,
but you look at how these investigations were bumbled and

(38:17):
or just not. They didn't have the right they didn't
have the tools that they had to day available to them.
They didn't have the communication between the departments because even
if there was the fastest thing they had was either
a landline or a teletype.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah. There was no internet.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I mean no, no, there was no computers. There was, well,
I mean there were.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
But you know they had to pick up the phone
a call.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean you had to stop
and grab a payphone. You know.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah, you weren't picking up your cell phone.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
You were getting to a phone, picking it up, putting
a dime in at that time of something that it
went to quarter.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
But and then you had to put that.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
We're not even saying push, push, push push, We're saying rotate, rotate, rotate.
I mean, I honestly, I bet, I bet our hometown.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Okay, there we go, Thank you, Camber. I've got to
figure that out.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
These these guys were I can't. I'm not going to
say they were all smart because m Ridgeway had i
Q of eighty.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
But he do he was not how to stay out
hiding in plain sight. That's what he did. Yeah, they
see the guy.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
There's no way it's him. They're just they just immediate
this one. There's no way it's him.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. Well and and the thing he
would be, oh exactly, well, and he would Bridgeway took
his son with him to make him or would have
display photos of him and his kids and or actually
take his son with him. He took his son with him,

(40:18):
picked up a prostitute, took her out and killed her.
Came back to the truck and his son asked him
where did the lady go? Well, she she shot at
a walk. Yeah, and he took her out and killed her,
you know, just away from the truck. Let let his
son in the truck when he went and killed his girl. Yeah,

(40:39):
it's like good grief. And then if you look at
also a Ridgeway when I think it was his third wife,
when she moved into the house, there was all there
was no carpet in the house, everything that had been
ripped up and everything. And he said he had renters
that had destroyed the house and and he just ripped

(41:00):
it all up. He was in the process of redoing it,
you know. But he ripped the carpet up because he
took he took women back to his house and that
way he had concrete floors. He didn't really have nothing
to worry about as far as that. Yes, yeah, yeah,

(41:22):
what I what I don't what I don't understand is
how come he didn't repaint his truck because he almost
got caught. He almost got caught when he picked up
this one prostitute and her boyfriend didn't get a good
feeling about it, and he followed him and then he
told the cops. He told the cops, Well, they her,

(41:44):
He called her family. They went driving around and found
his truck at his house, and then they called the cops.
The cops went and knocked on the door. Ridgeway answered
and said, no, I never heard of her, and they
just turned around and left. He had her in the house.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Wow, that's no.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
There's just things that I really just do not understand nowadays.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
You you know, it wouldn't happen, you know, but because
they're standing in the community, their looks, their their their
perception and how they presented themselves when confronted by policemen,
the policemen never suspected a thing. But you know, nowadays,
they can't just do that. They automatically have to do

(42:36):
something to make sure they're they've covered all bases.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Whereas then that's nothing.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Police walk up hey so and so here, No, I
don't know, I don't know who you're talking about. Are
you sure you are you alone? Oh, me and my
mom are in here, or me and my wife are
in here, my kids. Okay, just want to check.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
We're doing to search. If you see anything, here's our card,
give us a call.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Done o Joe, you're talking about Edward Kemper, Now that's
what I was. Edward.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
I was about to bring one up. So because he
was the one that was in minehunter that he was
always talking to in the.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Right right, So yeah, right, uh, he's still alive, still
in jail, but and he's a talk now. He had
an he had an IQ of like one hundred and
eighty five. Oh yeah, very intelligent. Yeah, but he actually
turned himself in. He was he was the one of

(43:33):
the few that actually showed any remorse for what he did.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
But he just couldn't control it.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
The co ed killer, that's what he was.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, yeah, the co ed killer. Hm. He got pulled
over with a girl in his trunk and they let
him go.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Exactly now, you know nowadays, the day that had cadabra
dogs and stuff that you know, if they were looking
for somebody in particular, they'd had cadaver dogs out there
with them.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah he he he hated his mother. Now his mother, Yeah,
and that's something you'll see that that's that's something you'll
see in common with a lot of these a lot
of these these serial killers is they had a very
domineering mother or whatever now ed kemper. His mother basically

(44:34):
hated him because he kind of looked like his her
ex husband, and he would she would lock him in
the basement because he was worried about She was worried
about what he would do to his sisters. Now him
and his sisters would play a game where they like

(44:55):
he tied him up or whatever. So, yeah, there was
a little hinky stuff going on there, but he never,
according to them, they never he never, you know, sexually
assaulted them or anything. But when he killed his mother,
he didn't just kill his mother. He decapitated her, had

(45:17):
his way with her head, put it up on the mantel,
and ripped her vocal cords out, and threw him down
the garbage disposal.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Now you do realize he was also he also killed
his grandmother and grandfather in sixty four.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Right, Oh, yeah, he got and he got put That's
another thing. He killed his grandmother and then when his
grandfather came home, he killed his grandfather because he didn't
want him to discover that he had killed his grandmother.
He didn't want to any act, didn't he In his
mind it was an act of mercy because he didn't

(45:55):
want he didn't want his grandfather to see what he'd
done to his wife.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Here's the criminal charge quote unquote for that, those nineteen
sixty four murders. None nineteen sixty four rest murders deemed
incomprehensible for a fifteen year old to a committee. Right,
that's the thinking of law enforcement at that time.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, and they and they put him, they put him
in a mental institution. Well, the thing about it is
his IQ. He was so smart that eventually what they
had him doing, he was doing. He was filing paperwork
and everything, yeah, you know, for them, and so he
was reading all these reports. Well, he picked up on

(46:41):
what he needed to do to get released, and he
what they wanted to hear. And that's what he told them,
and they released him, said he was he was perfectly
fine and everything, and then he went and he killed
you know, his mother, his mother's best friend, yep. And
then I think nine other co eds. And because his

(47:05):
mother worked at the college he had a sticker on
the car and a lot of a lot of people
hitch hock Man. That's how he got a round back. Yeah,
and convicted up. He would actually pick these women up. One,
he had the sticker from the from the college, so
that's one thing that would disarm them. Two they would

(47:31):
actually talk about how crazy this guy was that was
going around killing people when he had him in the car.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Yeah. And here's the other thing with the girls at
that time too. Okay, he's got the he's got this,
he's got you know, he's with the he's in the
car that's got the sticker from the man is six foot.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Nine, three hundred pounds.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Yep, and you're gonna will oh Heath the night guy.
I'll get in the car with him.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Are you? He was. He was so skilled at manipulating
people that he kidnapped two girls at one time and
locked himself out of the car. He pulled one girl
out of the car, put her in the trunk, killed
her and the other and he had locked himself out

(48:25):
of the car. Thank you, Andrew, Andrew. Yes, he was
Robert Benjamin Rhoades. Yeah. He would he would have people
or have women who were three in a truck in
his truck at one time.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, but he talked the girl that was in the
car into unlocking the car and letting him back in
after he had killed her friend.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah. And you know, like I said here, with him,
I mean he was convicted first three murder murder, eight counts,
first three murder in seventy three. But you know.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
That he is him Bundy, especially BTK and Ridgeway even
more so than Dahmer. I think Dahmer's just touching the
head to get from the get go, him and Gacy
both quite frankly, it was all about power over over
somebody else, is what it was.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
But well that's what most of these crowns are. They're
there there get the power control, you know. But I
don't I don't know if Kemper's was that way.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I think Kemper had a desire to inflict it on
every woman and retribution for his mother, Yeah, to every.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Woman he knew.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
It was vengeance to him well, and Ridgeway. The first
time Ridgeway ever hurt some another person, Yeah was I
think he was sixteen and he stabbed a five year
old kid. Yeah, lured him into the woods and stabbed
him in the side in his liver. Actually, the kid lived,

(50:13):
but he was never caught for that, you know, And
he just told the kid he just wanted to see
what it felt like to kill somebody. And but he
had a his mother, man, was she had issues because

(50:37):
she would she was very sexual. She was, she would,
she would. She went out of her way to make
herself very very attractive, very big. People that knew her

(50:58):
called her. She always looked glad, amorous and everything. She
would sunbathe and he would watch her. And he had
these feelings that for his mother, these actual feelings for
his mother, and then he hated himself for having that.
Then he wanted to kill her. So he was a
very confused young man.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Oh yes, and.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
It uh she he would he would wet his bed
now U thirteen. Yeah, he was a horrible student, and
you know they would just just hound him for being
a bad student and everything. Well he wet his bed. Well,

(51:39):
when he wet his bed, his mother would go put
him in the bath as a teenager and wash his genitals.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
That ain't right, No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
No, wonder you know the thing about it is, if
you look, here's my thinking on these on these on,
these serial killers, they have something wrong with them, like
you said, from the get go, okay, And but most

(52:17):
of them, with the proper upbringing would not have went
down the path they did, okay. But things events in
their life triggered that in them and they ended up
going down there. But you know, they had a hatred
for their mother, or they had a hatred for their

(52:38):
dad or something like that. With most of them, a
good reason.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
With her.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, John Wayne Gacy, Shade, I can remember for three months. Awesome,
thank you. But gay See was named after His name
is John Wayne Gacy, and his dad named him, gave

(53:07):
him his middle name Wayne because he liked John Wayne,
and that's he wanted his to. He wanted his son
to grow up too big and tough like John Wayne,
macho and all kinds. His dad was very, very macho
like that, and but Gasey was not like that. Gasey
wanted to hang around his mother, he wanted to do gardening.
He was that type of person. He was more effeminate,

(53:30):
and his dad was ridiculing for it. Wow, thank you,
thank you, Shade, appreciate it. Man, you're right, brother, salute.
But these guys, most of them. And I don't want

(53:53):
y'all to think that I feel sorry for these guys.
I don't. I'm not trying to make excuse for him.
But what's up, bootster with the upbringing that most of
them had, Man, they didn't even they never had a.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Chance, not even close.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
I mean, they were, they were, they were He'll been
for holler, you know, right off the bat, because the
parents either didn't want them right, they wanted them only
for a used free labor or in her case, I'm
wondering that sexual defense deviancy we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
See, I think I think there was probably more that
went on. But yeah, I don't think Ridgeway wants to
admit it.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
No, I would say probably not, yeah, because and he's
not now, especially he's not going to obviously.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Smurphy's been a member for five months. And the thing
about Gacy Gasey was actually arrested for it was a
state representative's son that he sodomized, okay, And he got

(55:15):
arrested and he was supposed to spend ten years in prison,
spent eighteen months eighteen months, and he got paroled. He
pretty much they say he was he was. He was
the head cook at the prison, and he was very well liked.

(55:39):
They say he pretty much ran the prison. I bet,
but he was such a model prisoner that they let
him out on parole after eighteen months or ten year sentence. Okay, right, Well,
then he goes off to Chicago and basically has a

(56:00):
clean slate because there is no communication.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
No right at that time.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
And that's where he really goes off the rails and starts,
you know, killing these these these young kids. So I
mean the one that one kid that he picked up
and uh took him home, they did their thing, woke
up the next morning and the kids standing at the

(56:27):
end of his bed. This is this is Gasey's yeah version. Yeah,
he was the He woke up and the kid was
standing at the food his bed with a big butcher knife. Well, Gary, uh,
John went John jumped out of bed, wrestled with the
kid with the knife, and then the stab him, stabbed
him in the heart. Well, when he he went into

(56:49):
the kitchen, the kid was cooking in breakfast, and Gasey
says he probably just was asking me he was there
was a slab of bacon and he said he was
probably just there asking me how thick I want my
bacon slide. I didn't know I panicked. Well then instead
of calling you know somebody, he panicked and you know,

(57:09):
put him in the cross space. He had two kids
working for him, digging in the cross space and digging
around the house and everything. Yes, and he ended up
killing them and basically they were digging their own graves.
So you know, yeah, I mean yeah, well, you know,

(57:35):
Gasey was.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
How do I put that with?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
This guy?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
To me, he was one of those that you know,
master manipulator, don't get me wrong, master manipulator. Well him
almost to us a level that was unfounded, I mean
because they are unheard of. Because he these other guys,
they talked people into their cars, they talked people. This
dude made got talk guys into going home with him,

(58:02):
doing things with him, and then getting up the next morning.
And a couple of me had on on on the string,
you know, for months before he actually killed him.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
You know, so he had that.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
He kept, Hey, they can keep coming back because I'm
gonna promise them this, or I'm gonna promise them to
get them this, or I'm gonna promise you know. And
he he was never gonna get anybody anything you know that.
But it was like, man, these guys, I don't mean
to say it, but they're younger guys. Most of them
weren't were teenagers, but somewhere in their twenties. Right, I'm like,

(58:39):
how do you something? You know, you talk to somebody,
you know something's off. That's just just my speak. If
I if I talk to somebody, I could tell if
something's off ninety nine point nine percent of the time.
And if I'm a firm believer, dog don't like you,
I don't like it. Because if my dog growls at somebody,
you got to go, dude, the dogs don't like you.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
I don't like you. So that's it's It's the same
thing with him.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
I mean he he would love even people that would
be like I am.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
And ready to say no, you're gone, I don't like it.
He could lull them into his false sense of trust.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Could he have done it to me? I can't tell
you that. I never met the man, but it takes
a lot. And I ain't never been screwed over by nobody,
no man or woman or whatever talking to me, and
I got that feeling, No, I'm not gonna like you.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I just know I'm not gonna like you type thing.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
So well, it's honestly, the the serial killers are really
no different than what we were talking about our off
air was the cult leaders. Yeah, you know, they're they're
master manipulators period.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
And unfortunately there are people out there that they with
the whole cult thing. They want to belong somewhere and
they maybe a lot of them, they've been outcast for
so long that they want to belong to something so

(01:00:15):
bad that they just buy it hook line and sinker.
You know, I don't get it, but uh and Kimber,
I don't either.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I don't understand the whole didn't turning the cop the
kid over to dam raight, I don't. I don't get that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
It makes no sense. That absolutely makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
That it's literally they did not want to deal with it, period.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Yeah, they didn't want to even do the paperwork on it.
No that at that time. I think they just didn't
want to admit it existed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I don't understand how they didn't get brought up on
charges after the fact.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Oh I don't either.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah, they should there should have been they should have
been at least been fire minimum and disciplinary charges should
have been brought up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I would have thought, but that is Jojo. You are
absolutely right, she says, because of his race and sexuality.
They just wanted to get out of there. That is
absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Yeah, because it made them uncomfortable. They didn't want to
be comfortable. Uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
They just did not want to deal with it. Go
the other way, leave us alone. Ye oh, no harm,
no foul. That's your boyfriend. You go, you do your
thing by But the whole time, the other kid is
sitting there going, please help me. Oh you're drunk, Please
help me. Now, come on, guys, you can't just turn

(01:01:42):
your back on that. I don't care how drunk they are.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
You know, And how bad do these officers, I mean,
they had to have they had to have felt bad
once all this came out. I couldn't. I couldn't have
slept it nothing, no, nope, knowing what he did to
that kid after, you know, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Yeah, yeah, they came back to me about that happened yet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
To pull what he pulled off in an apartment building, you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Know, and nobody heard it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah, you know, or you know, but a lot of
a lot of people just turn a deaf ear or
blind eye because they don't want to get involved.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Well yeah, yeah, that's like it doesn't can to affect me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
The worst thing that I've ever heard was there was
a guy that had his eighteenth month old by the
ankle swinging in like a golf club, slamming his head
into the curb. And there's like forty people in the
neighborhood just sat there and watched it happen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
And that's insane to me that nobody kep.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Up how to kill it. Yeah, God of kourage, stomp.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
To yo along that same lines. You know, I think
we were talking, Well, no, we weren't talking. You remember,
mister Rita is our old.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
History teacher, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Missa's told me told us a story one time in
class about it. Do you ever tell you the one
about the the the Pow that had lost his sight
in the before he went to the pow camp from Japan.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
This is a World War two pow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Some way shape or for him because he's blind, The
commandant or the warden, whatever you gonna call him, the
Japanese commander of that barracks took a shine to him
and he taught him how to defend himself when he
was blind. Taught him karate, kung fu, jiu jitsu, whatever
it was that he taught him, and the guy became

(01:03:51):
really good blind. I mean we're talking about lethal as
a blind man.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
He comes back to the States after the war's over.
They get the release done.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
I think he comes back in fifty three or fifty
or fifty three.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Came here, which one went? Which one was?

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
He told us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
But the guy comes back. They have a surgery. They
figure out he's got.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
A shrapnel behind one of his eyeballs, and they're gonna
go in. They pull it out so the optical nerve
can actually reconnect or whatever the case might have been.
But they cured his sight. He could see again. Rehab,
you know, starts to learn to see again. He's coming
out of a of a of a hotel and as
he's walking out, this dude is you know how it

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was back then, We're gonna they gonna beat the women.
They beat women left and right back in the fifties sixties,
you got men. That's the only way they knew how
to assert themselves. They turn around, they beat their wives,
beat their girlfriends or whatever. Well, he's got her next
to the car and he's smacking her around and the
dude walks up and I said, I'm gonn put a
stop to this. He goes and taps the guy on
the shoulder. Guy turns around, he pulls a pistol right

(01:04:55):
his face. He said, it took three seconds. The dude
with the pistol was on the ground with a broken
collar bone and two broken arms, just like that. Now,
I understand the guy pulled something on him with pulling
the pistol, but I bet he would have done it.
You know, if anybody else has been beaten on a woman,

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he's gonna take up for the woman. That just shows
the character of the person they were talking about, right,
you know what I mean? Now you fast forward to
what you were just talking about. Where's the character in
that crowd?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah? Yeah, that that is I just I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
I don't like that much like blind Fury.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Yep, I will never understand, dude commented on Blind Fury.
There so mm hmm. I will never understand being able
to just turn your head and not do something.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
I keep walking the other way.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Yeah, I do not, you know me, You know me?

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, we don't. We don't back around
from something like that. That crap ain't happening.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Yeah, well, so Randy has been ahead of the show.
I appreciate you're stepping up. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Well, yeah, it's been an interesting time because, like I said,
I don't usually talk a whole lot about the serial
killer side, like we said before, I but the we
talk about cult leaders and stuff. I'm all over some
of that. But I've been sitting here. I've got all
five and six of these people on Wikipedia reading on
them right now, and that's why I'm sitting there going howney.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Heck did they do this? How do you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
What the heck?

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Why is he still on the street?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
And like you said, they go from one place to another,
there's no communication. He might as well be clean and
frete and clear.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Yep, you know so.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Jason. Jason loves me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Yeah, Fink's cool. Well, guys, we're gonna let you go
and enjoy your Sunday evening. I think me and monica'sill
being back about ten o'clock. So y'all, sh'all, y'all tune
into that. Ain't no telling what we'll get into on
night outs.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Yeah, that'll be hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
I ain't watching that, y'all crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
But thanks for joining us. And thanks for all the
support guys. And uh oh, Duke's got m K Davis
coming up on the show in a half hour. That's awesome.
I might have to pop in there if I can
get away. If not, Duke tell tell MK. I said, hi,
will you please? But uh yeah, we'll let y'all go,

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and y'all take care of yourself and we'll see you
tonight and tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Take y'all have fun.