Infamous Minds - Ep 46 - The Real Horror of Horror Movies

Danielle and Tex examine the true horror behind the true events of horror movies

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
There is a darkness that drives the devils of our
own humanity, joined Danielle in text as they explore these
infamous minds. M H well, I guess we better put

(00:56):
ourselves up on the stage if we want to, if
we want to talk about something. I just left us
down backstage, like, h this is gonna be a cool show.
Cool Cody, my buddy, how you doing. We did Me

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and Monica did the lead in to this show last night.
We talked about the movies, and we're going to talk
about the the true happenings behind those movies and the
psychology aspect of it, because a lot of these movies

(01:44):
were based on true events, these horror movies. But honestly,
Hollywood can't touch what was really done because I don't.
I don't as brutal and as horrific as some of
these movies are, as scary and all that kind of stuff.

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When you get to when you get to talking about
and researching what the guys did, what the people did
that were that these things were based on, that's where
that's where the true horrorized. It's not it's not the
made up stuff, it's the true stuff. Yes, Hey, it's

(02:30):
Jin from Eddie and Jin. Hello Jen Darling. How you doing.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
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Judy right agin, We Cody got de Nies, we got
tea time with just Danielle.

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my and share it for some new people that they
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It's just a working a process. So, ladies and gentlemen,
I did open my new channel too, and this is
a family oriented channel where we will have everything well

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yesterday we had cooking my sister.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Did basically too, and everything is they we're gonna have rescue.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Or profit.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Or prophecies. Oh yes, prophecies of the Bible. So we're
gonna have also prophecies of the Bible coming for the
next episode. So I'm gonna tell you all about what
to see and uh, basically, uh can I get to
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anew into this text and everybody behind is helping me out,
and Gary and Grant so I'm pretty helpful and thankful
to have this wonderful crew behind me. But I'm excited,
so it's quite pretty cool. So I am.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Happy Brian has been a member for thirteen months. That
is awesome. Thank you so much, Brian. Oh Me and
Brian have been friends for hell several years. Crazy Brian, Okay, yeah.

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Yes, So I apologize for technical difficulties. I'm learning a lot,
so I'm connecting all of these things. So this is
a new thing for me. But I'm quite excited and
like I'm saying, you know, with wonderful support from Texas
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to see also Grant there, and Grant is my great
bra from a long time ago. So I'm quite happy
that many people are joining and enjoining the show. We'll
have fun, but this is a show is a really
important today text We worked really yesterday you and Beautiful Monica.
They do explanation about the movies. I'm like, hah, that
was my topic. Then I'm like, okay, that's everybody it's about.

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So nobody told me about this. You know the women,
they go like before they even see it, we jump
and get our close up. I'm not happy. But now,
so it was wet. Now nobody told me about it.

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So but you to again. After that, I said, no problem,
I understood. So we had an awesome introduction yesterday. You guys.
Basically that was done. Now we're going to continue deeper
into this world of reality, not what Hollywood does, but
what really exists out there. Text I'll give beginning notes

(06:28):
to you.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Okay, well, we the thing what we did last night.
If you didn't catch the show, go back and watch it,
because what we did we went over some of these
horror movies that are based on true events. And there's
a lot of them out there, a lot of them
that will throw you a curveball that you didn't realize

(06:52):
were based on true events. When it threw me a curveball, hey, Mike,
was Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds that was based on true events.
I had no clue. But the ones that we're gonna
be talking about more today are the ones like the

(07:17):
town that dreaded Sundown, which hits close to home for
me because that's where my family's from and my mother's
one of my mother's best friends was actually a victim
of that of the Phantom the you also have the
Silence of the Lands, where that those characters were based

(07:38):
on several different serial killers. But like uh, the the
character Buffalo Bill was loosely based on ed Gean, which
ed Gan was arguably maybe a sit technically, I guess

(07:59):
he was serial killer, but he was more u he
where most of his bodies came from were actually he
dug him up from the Great Yard. But the And
and Psycho was less loosely based on him, with the
with the relationship between him and his mother. And so

(08:25):
we're going to talk about those and we're gonna get
down they know, Brian, they never did they never did
catch the Phantom killer from And that's another one that
I got to talk to Danielle about doing. Is I
want to talk about strictly unsolved cases on another show.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I have a big surprise. Also, can I drop a
bomb now? Because I got an email more so on
my birthday December seventeenth. Actually, our book will be out

(09:10):
so finally after so much work behind but we are
not the only one with GIEK Squad, so I'm so excited.
I'm looking forward to that. So I was like wow
this morning when I got an email, I was just
so hyper so excited. And I'm going to surprise my
family too. Regarding some of the cases that you're going

(09:33):
to talk about today, if you want, text I can
share one little story from my personal experience from the
mental hospital. And I actually did share it with my
family multip time.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Absolutely, So you're having you're having a little bit of
connection issue today.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I think the nurse saying in psychology, I was always
so as they would put me in a different basically
about these different cases. I wasn't capable always to access
everything because at that time I was a student and
I was very young texts. I was only nineteen, So
if you look at it, many say that you were
a kid. And that's even now that I'm forty, you know,

(10:20):
and above forty, they called me a kid. That's what
I got because I was the youngest. And basically what
happened to get more experience everywhere? Yes, are you okay?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Well, I think there's a lag and you're having some
connection issues.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Connected? Good, get connected? Do you want me to go back? Okay?
So basically I'm sorry if you guys, I had an
internet issue. So basically what was even if I'm connected
with the line directly, So that's what's striving me crazy.
My line is over fourteen feet long, so I can
go in around the house. It's crazy. Yeah, So basically

(11:11):
what's happening. As I was studying nursing, I had to
be placed in a different placement and experienced different things.
I was only nineteen and for me, many things that
I was going to face welltle bit shocking, but it
made me who I am today. And basically at that time,
they also placed me at Alberta Mental hospital. So I

(11:34):
was supposed to be there for two weeks and meet
some of the cases basically as I studied nursing and psychology.
Basically about the patients that are there. I'm not going
to mention the names because that's against the law, but
I'm just going to say what happened on my second day. First,

(12:00):
it was orientation. I was shadowing a couple of people,
you know in the nurse and counselor that was around
the floor and my job was to give the medication.
So as I came text to this, I'm going to
explain to you it's a wrong row. There is basically
everything is on the button and you will get a
code to access in and out. So it's just like

(12:21):
in the movies. Nineteen percent that you see is just
like that. There's bars and there's special police that works
around the floor. Continuing with the basically security. They do
have tasers and they do have guns, so it depends
which unit are they on. So I was going towards

(12:43):
to the dungeon that's the deepest floors and where they
have some of the most heaviest and scariest patients that
we do face in this state. And I was okay
with everybody except one gentleman. I'm not going to mention
the even not the nickname, because then then they would
know who I'm talking about. I would just describe. So

(13:05):
the room is fatted, and while the room is fatted
is because they don't want him to hurt himself or
accidentally if he grabbed somebody that you know he grabs
and hit them. On the walls and everything. He was
fully naked. He was thirty years old at that time,
so I was nineteen. He was thirty eight. He was
fully naked. There was no underwear, so he was fully

(13:27):
naked from top to the bottom. And I came inside
to give the medication. And as I entered, I look
at him, deep into the eyes, and they said, this
is so, and so I put my hand out. I
shook my hand with him, and he represented himself. And

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the first thing that he wanted to do is to
scam me, he said boom, because he wanted because I
read his file and I'm a new person, and he
wanted to say, okay, I scared of me, and you
have this tiny I was even tinier than I am.
Now you have five four kid, you know, maybe about
hire and fifteen pounds not more, standing in front of

(14:09):
you looking this basically, if I'm going to be honest,
patient slash monster directly into the eyes. And as I
was looking at him, I gave him the medication and
I just look around and two secured the book. Big
gentleman's were behind me, and he started talking and he

(14:30):
said something that surprised me. He said to me you're
di he won't play that. He will tell you he
will play the games. And I said what for. First
he said you have an accent and I said, yeah,
I do. And then after that he said, you are
not scared of me, right, And I said no, I'm not.

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I said, mister so and so I said, I'm here
to help you out. And then he said, oh, if
you're outside, I will like something to do with you.
And then I was looking. I was actually thinking he's
going to say the things that he did to his victims.
And I said, what would you like to do? He said,
have a cup of coffee, because I have a feeling
you would understand. I was shocked. I pick up my tray,

(15:18):
I left, and at that moment, the reason why he
stayed in my head, I'll just say what he did.
He had eight victims. All of the victims were his family.
He's killed them alive. So he s killed them alive.
And he last victim was his mother and she didn't
allow him to play the video games. And she said

(15:40):
it's enough, you need to go to work. So she
got beaten. He killed her, cut her throat and pinched
her above the fireplace. So, just like you know, so
that was the thing. He was severely schizophrenic, bipolar or
sality disorder with conductive behavior spaces with many nicknames and uh,

(16:09):
one of the nicknames that everybody knows him by. It
was cool say, but he was pretty one of the
darkest people that I ever met face to face, directly
being with somebody who was a serial killer and killer
being my own patient. That was That was my little story.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
That takes that takes a lot to skin somebody alive.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I mean the yeah he did that.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Wow, that's medieval.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah. And in Canada, we are not allowed. Yeah, in Canada,
we are not allowed to disclose well, many patients that
I have sometimes what you guys see on TV. For me,
this is reality and we are when we see that
they are mentally ill. By the law of Canada, they

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are not allowed to be exposed, use their names or
even sometimes ninety nine percent. Uh, there's prosecution Crown and
they do have something that it's called mental instability courts,
so you will be charged by your mental state, not
by your crime. And basically after that it's what's happening.

(17:34):
But yes, Scott, it's definitely a monster. And there's a
moment when I actually am gonna tell you honestly, and
they were talking about that yesterday with my family. I
felt like he was possessed, Like he's not a human being.
As much as I know and have more experience in

(17:55):
more immune education and training. To me, if she's it
was just not human and to do something.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Do you think what it's almost like in these horror
movies they actually have to It's like take it down
or notch because if they really, if they did, if
they did movies and showed what these monsters actually do

(18:32):
to their victims, I don't I don't know. I don't
know if the public could take it.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Oh, we lost her. I was worried about that. She
was kind of having connection issues and we got stores.
We're under a tornado watch till six pm tonight, so
we may may play havoc with us. Don't know. If
this continues, we'll do a We'll do a reboot and

(19:06):
do the show later if we have to. And Brian
I agree. Brian Posty says, I believe that possession is
a factor in some cases like that. I do too.
I think it's and again, like I've said before, the

(19:28):
cases that you see with the mothers, especially with the
mothers that that they're dealing with postpartum and they end
up killing their children. But then afterwards afterwards that they
they are saying that they want themselves or they don't
remember what happened. That type of thing. I honestly think,

(19:50):
are there something else had control over and a lot
of hate prospecting a lot of them. I I think
that's where possession plays a part in it. I know
Son of Sam talked about how he was possessed by

(20:10):
a demon that that was inside the neighbor's dog, and
then he retracted that statement. And I'm looking into something
that's called the Sons of Sam, which m hm. The
theory is there's more. There was more than just Berkowitz involved,

(20:31):
so and they're still out there. So we we'll we'll
look in more than that, and we'll touch on it
later in a later show. But with these with these
people that are that these horror movies are based on,
The Hills Have Eyes were was based loosely on true events.

(20:56):
The mister Naxa's my first cousin, has been in prison
nearly all his life because he killed his wife and
mother in law. While I'm PCP, Yeah, heykay, dog Danielle

(21:16):
is back. Let's see if we can get her back
up here. Hey, we've got connection today.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I'm here. I'm here. I decided to log out and
come back because I was losing the connection. So that's
why I'm like, Okay, let me log in and love. Yeah,
And that's why I was like, Okay, maybe this will
kind of help out. Yeah. So I'm reading some of
your guys' comments, you know, texts. I've been in the

(21:50):
care of people for over twenty years. You will be
twenty six on most now. So I am very proud
because it made me who I am. I worked closely
still with Edmonton Police Service with RCMP what is the
Royal Mountain Police. I also work with our military, but

(22:11):
I also work very closely with trauma Intensive Care and
I still do now as a behavior interventionist and I'm
going further training for the life coach. It's actually showing
me the other side of the people, that there is
so much demonic and darkness inside of some people, and
somebody is saying possession. I do admit I always try

(22:34):
to put away. Of course, science and they have the facts,
but sometimes I do wonder, just like the case that
I was telling you about. I think it will stay
in my head of day I die.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think there's definitely cases where
it's involved.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I felt so much negative energy.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
But there's there's people that sometimes you meet and we
call it bad energy or bad juji, whatever we want
to call it.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yes, And actually because I connected instant, they're saying that
maybe the connection is bad because of the voting. So
I'm not sure if that's the issue. Two, they're checking
everything that people are doing, but they're saying that many
streams had issues. Uh and maybe because of more control

(23:36):
and what's okay, I understand, but they're saying that a
couple of my friends that do have podcasts too, they
are sharing, like Kim and Katy from Wisconsoles. They're saying, Daniel,
we had issues too. And then so a couple of
people are saying and hello to even from Croatia. You
know these gentlemen texts never miss one of our shows.

(23:58):
And it's actually a total different time in Creation now
than it is here. But he always follows him and
Thomas is over there. But thank you Thomas, because he's
a dentist. But you go like, I'm not taking patience. Now, yeah, good.
We have so many grateful followers that it's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, you know, let's talk about let's talk about a little.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Bit buddy text. Did you know, go ahead, yes, go ahead,
my friend.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Let's I want to get your take on ed Gean
because so many, so many characters and so many movies
were based on him. I'd really like to to, you know,
do a deep dive on him for a little bit
and get your take on him. I do think he
was schizophrenic, Yes, I do think he was schizophrenic. His absolutely,

(25:04):
the the relationship with his mother, she was so domineering,
had an effect on him. But I'd like to I'd
like to hear your take on him and and what
clinical you know aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
You know that movie was also watched in the in
the medical studies and plenty of the times. There's even
books that is read. I did a personal research on
it because we had to present motherly affected syndrome. So
the truth what is when you see the mothers. There's
being a loving you guys, protecting mom. There's a being
a mother's boy or a mother's girl, and there's also

(25:51):
craziness I'm gonna go feured with the clean in sentence
with that, there's a time when you have the child
to grow, you give them a boost when it's needed,
or be there when they fall down and say, hey,
you made a mistake. I knew it, but I'll give
you a hand and pull you up. But here, what

(26:11):
we are seeing, especially showing to the movie, is actually
pretty close to the reality. He did have schizophrenia, and
he did have bipolar disorder multipi personality disorder, so he
was capable of going basically from one personality to another
personality or split personality disorder. But obsession with his mother
came because she was first obsessed with him. And we

(26:35):
found this a lots of times when you have a
woman more or there are not to be disrespectful, but
a single woman that doesn't have a man beside her
and now that boy is going to be everything that
she wants. But the line needs to stop when she
needs to understand that this boy is going to grow up,
be a healthy man, maybe be a military personnel. Baker,

(26:58):
it doesn't matter, you know, security guard, it doesn't matter, doctor, lawyer, carpetner,
it doesn't matter whatever you know. He has a gift
or whatever, you know, it's touched to his soul. But
basically he turned into the psychopath. And after the psychopath,
he has also diagnosis of sociopath because psychopath in the beginning,

(27:20):
that was the first diagnosis that they gave him in
NEU or psychiatry cost over he was attended. Then they
figure out actually that he was having borderline or basically
basicline or both. What's very very rare to find texts
because usually we are one or the other, but this
time he had both. And what's happening right now, he

(27:44):
is going to killing these people by basically providing what
he needs, and that's love, safety and security. As much
as we thought that she's there for him, you know
as a mother, Actually that's wrong. Uh, there's a different
lump between mom and the husband and a woman or

(28:07):
boyfriend and a girlfriend. There is also affection between two people,
right so that we can you know, attach, So a
mother is a mother. That's a motherly love, not a
love between two people that are finding an affection between
two people. Then another thing that basically we are also

(28:33):
having an aspect of it's basically that he started killing
out of his own anger and he was killing out
of his ink. And when you start killing out of
your own anger, it's actually because you want to get
rid of your pain. He was full of pain. People

(28:54):
don't understand. As much as he was a monster, he
was also a victim. And the victim became a perpetrator now,
and so that's what's happening. They understand that this is
a cycle. If he had somebody to break that cycle
and he got help from mental health, you know, at

(29:14):
that time, that was really hard, but at least maybe
he wouldn't end up being who he is, you know,
a monster that now runs through the history. But he
never got a help. So basically, at the end, victim
became a perpetrator. But I'm sure that she used him
not just as a son. I'm sure she used him
for her sexual desires. I'm sure that she used him

(29:38):
to be her men instead of being her son. So
her obsession made him who he is. That's what it is.
Isolated away from everybody, manipulation and control from a parent
can be also very dangerous. I say this, you know,
to everybody out there, please let your child make mistake,

(30:00):
it's totally normal. Let him fall down, but be there
to give them a hand, you know, and boost them up,
but saying, you know, I'll control your life. You will
do what I say. At the end, they'll fail in
the relationship, they'll fail in life and end up with
many psychological disorders. And at the end his was really
severe one that you know from a victim. He became

(30:22):
a perpetrator.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
So what what do you think drove him to, like
dig up the bodies and make cereal bowls out of
the craniums and the vest out of the woman. Was
he trying to recreate I mean making the vest out
of the vest out of the out of women's skin. Yes,
I mean that's pretty, that's pretty, self explained to her.

(30:47):
I think he was trying to recreate his mother, Yeah,
because he was so lost without her. But she was
horrific to him, always telling him how workless he was everything,
But he couldn't make it withoutter.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
And that's very hard to understandex you know, working with
many victims, I must say, all domestic violence and abuse,
I must say, it's very hard sometimes to understand. And
I go like, why are you going back? Even you
know I I work with them, and I go like,
how I can go through your head the truth, but

(31:27):
it is for him being manupulated in controlled for so
many years, he didn't have basic life skills how to
actually face the world on reality. So the world outside
of that hotel, of that room, it doesn't matter that acreage,
that compound, for example, because we have Jeff Lauren for example.
It's something that it's scary, it's something that it's extra terrestrial,

(31:50):
it's unknown. It's a horror story out there that I
don't know that you planted in my head for quite
a long time. So now I'm gonna take skin of
this woman and make my mama physically be there in
my mind that basically that body will be started speaking,
so I'll have the illusion in hallucinations. And the reason

(32:11):
why because now I have that safety she's there beside me.
So his fear, lack of basic life skills, lack of communication,
and a lack of being himself a free character made
him to go into this bizarre horrible murders and scenes

(32:32):
that police the witness well.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
And she she was also a religious zealot, you know,
I mean, and I understand, you know, being very religious
being having a lot of faith. I get there's but
there's a line when you become a zealot, and she was.
She was a zealot. Every every woman was a whoreror

(32:57):
every woman was dirty. They had they weren't. The boys
weren't allowed to associate with anybody. That's why they moved
where they moved, so she could isolate them and have
total control, you know. And I wouldn't be too surprised.
I mean, supposedly his dad died and everything, But I

(33:20):
wouldn't be too surprised if it wouldn't surprise me to
find out that she actually poisoned him so she could
have the boys to herself, It wouldn't. I wouldn't be
surprised to be. In fact, I've always thought that, Yeah,
I told what you said and ed Gin, you know,

(33:45):
when him and his brother were putting out that brush
fire and then his brother showed up, you know, was dead.
How he never got charged for that, I don't understand.
Maybe the body was burned so bad at that point
in time. Of course, they didn't have the forensic tools

(34:06):
that we have today. But rumor has it that he
did kill his brother, you know. And I think he
killed his brother so he could have his mother all
to itself, or his mother may have directed him to
kill his brother.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I believe more than that. And again, like I was saying,
Mama had the issues. I shouldn't even call her a
mother because that's a beautiful title. But unfortunately she was.
She had obsession with the children. And like I was saying,
you know she moved there. What do you do with
the victims? What do you do with somebody that you

(34:46):
want to control? You're gonna isolate it. You're gonna cut
him off from the school, cut him off from society,
from their friends. You're gonna put every person that I
meet out there that they're a bad person. So you'll
see your friends are bad, They're bad influencer. I don't
like your girlfriend, I don't like your boyfriend. I don't
like your friends, I don't like your family. That's the
way it goes. So when you, as a lady person,

(35:07):
you are grooming them to be what do you want
them to be? Your toy? When they become your toy,
it's basically very simple, just like I was saying at
the conference the other there. Basically, then they can do
whatever I want. I will play with you in any
way you want, and you know after it will take
a long time for victim to realize in wake up,

(35:30):
and many of them don't if they don't have somebody
to help them break that chain. When you say that
she poisoned the papa, I believe that she actually did
that because he was taking the control away from her.
And when you actually go deeper into this case, you
can see that sometimes they had fights, they had arguments,
and you know that she wanted to be the dominant

(35:53):
one that she wanted to control. So at that time,
of course, like you're saying, we don't have a you
know sign like we have today, poison was the easy
answer and easy solution for her to grab over the
family and rule everybody. And then you know who was
the better to control him or his brother? So what
I'm going to do, I'm going to use the best

(36:15):
puppet that I can control. And that's what she did.
And you know, when you are eliminating and using everybody
that can be supportive of this person or this child
or a young man or a woman and eliminate him,
you are getting your perfect victim. You're getting your perfect tool.

(36:36):
I can manipulate you and do with you whatever I want.
And that's what she did.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
What surprises what surprised me when when I was reading
about this case a long time ago, was everybody thought
he was odd, okay, but there was a lot of
people that used him as a babysitter for the kids. Now,
if you look at it, and if you look at
some of the pictures of that game, he was a

(37:03):
very small, stature man. He was. He was very meek looking.
He looked harmless, and everybody in the neighborhood thought he was.
But we hear that so often about these about these
these these people that they they put on that facade
of their harmless, their their their their kind, their their pillars,

(37:24):
their community, that type of thing. But for these people
to say, well, yeah, he's always just that's just it.
He's just odd. To leave your children alonee with somebody
like that. I'm not if I get a if I've
got a bad feeling about somebody, I'm not leaving my
kids alone with them.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
And it was it was.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
A total different ball game back in the fifties though,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Time you know, when you guys, uh, you can have
the door open and unlocked. You know, I'm not saying
there was all serial God forbid, they exist everywhere that
there's no domestic violence. It was it's every country, every race,
every culture exists everywhere. But as we were getting into

(38:14):
more era of today, we're actually getting more abuse, more
of copy cuts. And that's the most dangerous things that
somebody can do. We have that when it's coming, for example,
to Jeff Water. Even if Jeff Warren is looked up
and still ruling from out there, there's a copycat who
will continue. You know, his title will be a crown,

(38:35):
you know, having a crown over his head and abow
to him. Somebody copies somebody, and that's when science psychology
actually gets stucked. And in many cases even now, when
I open the files of many people that I work with,
I open it and I see, for example, father was abusive.

(38:56):
Then brother is abusive to another brother, just like one
file that I was sharing to you during the Christmas time,
and I had tears in my eyes because as much
as I'm trained, I'm a human being. And then I
go like, wow, is this possible. I do enjoy my
work and I love that I can help people out there,

(39:16):
that people can find, you know, answering me or some guidance,
but the truth what is also sometimes I wonder where
the society is going, and like you're saying at that time,
texts for him to be a babysitter, it was pretty normal.
He's a tiny gentleman, you know, humble, he takes care

(39:38):
of his mother. Look, he takes care of mama. He
goes to church, he's really quiet, cleaned up wash. So
that way, it's pretty easy. My mother raised me with something.
She's the thing. She's saying hello to everybody in a
chat and to you text she's saying, I don't trust anybody,
so she doesn't and I'm raised that way. But it

(39:59):
does and me that even your family member cannot be dangerous.
You know, can uncle Joe, but uncle Joe can be
totally something else. You know. The wolf never quiet, you know.
And he never changed his quote as much as you know,
you know it changes. You know, his appearances can be
gentle and loving, ready to bite, and it's the same

(40:23):
to him. So don't be surprised that people give him
the kids to babysit.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Well. And and Brian Cosey brings up a good point.
And he also works with He also works in the
middle healthcare, so you know, you have a lot of Yeah,
y'all should y'all. Honestly, y'all should do a show some
time together because y'all could have such bibulous conversations.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well, of course, why not. It's always good to bring
maybe even shares. Some cases. We don't have to bring
out the names, like I'm saying, but we can share
some very uh you know, important things. H Gary or
Gary's there amazing person, Yes, Brian.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Brian says it's possible that talking about killing his brother,
it's possible that that if his mother had gotten angry
at Ed's brother, she said something that gave Ed the
signal in his mind to eliminate his brother, even though
she never said it out right, you know, that was

(41:27):
just maybe she said something that that that's how Ed
interpreted it, you know. And that comes along with the
whole schizophrenic and the control and and everything. And I
know we're talking a lot about ed Gean, but that's
because so many characters and so many movies were based

(41:49):
on ed Gean. You had, you had Psycho, you had
characters and silence and lamps. Yes, the Texas Chainsaw Master.
The list goes on. Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Texas changed some Massacred's also very if I can use
the word crazy. I will use the crazy story when
they do see ethic inbraiding. Back when I'm going to
share something, what is the only good size of communism text?
You're gonna laugh now back home, when communism came to

(42:37):
my country, I wasn't even born. But anyway, if they
found the inner breeding, you will go to jail. I
think it's over a decade. And sometimes they would even
put you in front of the rifles of squad shooting.
There isn't why now, this is what only I can say.
It shouldn't be. Maybe the squad shoulding maybe explain to people.
But that's the way dictatorship did work. Because if you

(43:00):
would find in some villages you're gonna be short texts
in the middle of the Europe, you would find auntie
is also a mother, a mother is also a grammar
or uncle is also a brother, and you go like, okay,
and even up to now, in some of those villages

(43:21):
we do special villages in deep in the mountains, uh,
they would found basically issues with genetic mutations.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Yes, and that reminded me of that really, yes, well,
and you also have the Hills have Eyes. You know
that movie where you know the family They would kidnap

(43:54):
travelers and everything. They had almost like a you could say,
you could compare the way they had their it's set
up out in the desert to either a spider's web
or the first thing that came to me was an
ant lion. You know, you fall in and you just
can't get out. And they now it's based on another

(44:19):
on something else, but it's the whole in bringing thing
that brings that into it. That they would capture people
to try to you know, expand their gene pool because

(44:40):
they were seeing so many deformities and everything. But yeah, yeah,
Now the one of the ones that I want to
talk about is another one that that Signs of the

(45:02):
Lambs used, and they used so much that was straight
out of the book. Another one that they used was
Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy where the scene the scene where
he the scene in Silence and the Lands where Buffalo
Bill has a cast in his arm and he's trying
to get the furniture in the van. That is a

(45:22):
trick that Ted Bundy used. Okay, Now, Ted Bundy was.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Also yes, very.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
He was so good, he was such a great manipulator
and so good at being a chameleon that he kidnapped
two girls the same day from the same place. Yes,
I mean that is where they got the initial clue
that there was some guy named Ted in a in
a Volkswagen. But even then when they got when when

(45:56):
they let the description out that it was a guy
named Ted in a Volkswagen, that his girlfriend called the
police department and said, I think it's my boyfriend. And
just because the color of the Volkswagen was a little
bit off from the reports they had to what she said,

(46:17):
they just chunked it out, they did. They didn't even
investigate it. It's like, what is wrong with these people?
But he he was he was very you talk about
somebody that and he didn't have We talked so much

(46:40):
about the upbringing of of these serial killers and everything
that they all they you know, they had most of
them had such bad backgrounds and and the way they
were reared and everything, and he didn't have any of that.
He was an exception to the rule, you know. And

(47:03):
something along the lines. Now, he blamed porn he blamed uh,
pornography on on his But yes, and then and there
is there is studies that show that if you watch
pornography and it has a tendency to. It has a

(47:27):
tendency to you have to escalate it and escalate it
and escalate to keep the fantasy going, to keep it new.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Y.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yeah, Yeah, because you desensitize yourself to this and then
and then you have to take it up a level
to get more excited. And you know, it just keeps
going and going and going.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yes, that's true what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
But I don't think that you can bring you can
blame pornography alone. There has to be something already seated. Yes,
you know, you have to already have that in that tendency,
I guess I could say. And then it's like any

(48:11):
other obsession, it grows and it festerures until you can't
control anymore. You have to go beyond fantasy and you
have to you have to actually perpetrate whatever you know
your fantasy is. That's the same thing that happened with
bt K. You know, he was having all these fantasies
and everything, and he would take pictures of himself tied

(48:33):
up and bondage and all this kind of stuff in
women's clothing and a mask on and all this kind
of stuff. And it got to a point to where
his urges were no longer under his control, and unfortunately
his urges led him to kill entire families. You know,
he didn't have Yes, he didn't have a certain type

(48:54):
like Bundy. All the women except for his lastings, which
were in the college, and and and his youngest victim,
I believe she was twelve years old when he after
he escaped. Yes, all these victims except for those resembled
his ex girlfriend at Dumpley. So but what what what

(49:18):
do you think that's true? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Yeah, and you know you missed and all I was
going to answer to you, go right ahead.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, epen, I love the comment. Is that's what I want.
I was going to add. Let me see, I'm trying
to come back. My internet is quite crazy, I think. Well,

(49:58):
camis are praying with me, I think so. Yeah, So basically,
or you can see it, I cannot see anything right now,
so you let me. I'm waiting for my picture to
come up. So basically, what is happening? So I'll just
put to wait here What is happening? Actually here, it's

(50:21):
basically when the children are growing up.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
So, folks, I think we're going to cut this one
short because I've got storms coming in she's having connection
issues plus all the you know, like she said, all
the voting is causing a lot of streams to have
problems because it's taken up so much bandwidth and server room.

(50:49):
But we will continue this one maybe next Monday, if
Brian can. I don't know, maybe Brian would like to
come on the show and him and Danielle could have
a fascinating conversation going back and forth about these things.

(51:11):
And y'all seen Brian before he shared his It was
either a dog man or a hell hound. I don't
know which it was, maybe a dire straight up dire
wolf his encounter back on a night out show that
we had. And me and Brian's been friends for years.
But I think we're gonna go ahead and have to
cut this from short folks because of connection issues. Like

(51:33):
I said, I've got storms coming in and she's having
connect she's having some issues with everything else. So thank
your baby for joining us. I'm so sorry about the
quality of the of the of the show, but you know,
nothing we can do about it. Thank your baby for
joining us. Y'all have a great day, stay safe out there,
and we'll see tonight.