November 12, 2024 • 62 mins
Niers confessed to over 500 murders as well as other brutal crimes; He was said to be a powerful Practitioner of the Dark arts. Brian and Tex have been buddies for several years. Brian has worked in Mental health care for many years and is a wealth of knowledge on the subject.
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
I got nightmares in my heart.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I fear that the dots billed up until I can
hear that, my mind fills up into a creature and
it hunts me somewhere much.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Welcome to Infamous Minds. Welcome everybody. Today is going to
be a little bit different. I have a guest with me, Brian,
(01:08):
cos you've seen him in chat, You've heard him on
the show a couple of times on other shows that
I've had. Me and Brian have been friends for several years.
He works, he's been working in mental health care for
knows how long. Danielle has the day off she is spending.
(01:29):
She had to work late last night, so she's spending
with her family. They're going to church and all that
kind of stuff today. So it's me and Brian and
we're going to discuss a couple of cases. One case
we're going to discuss is what I mentioned last night,
which is the case of Torlina Mayfields in Kentucky, and
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this took place in October. The other case that we're
going to discuss is Peter Nears. Now Peter Nears case
took place back in the fifteen hundreds. They're both fascinating
cases and I will tell you this. There's really they're
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both especially brutal, and we're gonna be kind of skirting
around some subjects, but we're gonna let you know what
happened without getting into the gruesome details about it. You
may have to read between the lines and at certain points,
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but the as you know, we don't really get into
the Hey, Christa, we really don't get into the gruesome
details about the cases here. We focus more on the
psychological aspect of it and the victims and stuff. So,
(02:55):
without further ado, let me get mister Brian, Sir Brian
up here. Heyboddy, m hm.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
H m. How you doing? Man?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Hello everybody, how are you doing to day?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Text?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Dude, I'm good. You know, like we were talking about backstage,
we do have kind of a lag today that we're
dealing with, so y'all bear with us. This is more
like this conversation between me and Brian is gonna be
more along the lines of we're talking on handheld radios. So, Brian,
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why don't you tell everybody what your background is and
everything before we get started into this.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well, for the past twenty five years, I have worked
with persons with developmental disabilities and with mental illness before that.
Even I grew up in home. My sister and my
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mother both dealt with mental illness, so it was something.
Psychology is something that has interested me for quite some time,
and I pretty much self taught myself, read a lot
of books. I even took the Harvard course on audio cassette.
(04:45):
I found that on psychology. I listened to the entire
thing multiple times, and I found it very fascinating, especially
abnormal psychology, because that was something that I was very
interested in. So, you know, self taught, and I have
an interest in learning more about people in general as
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far as their mental makeup.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, you know, and I think, uh, you know, dealing
with it working in the facilities you've worked in the
past is is invaluable. I mean it's schooling is one thing,
but hands on, for lack of a better term, on
the job training.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I guess is to me just as just as.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Important, if not more, because I know, even just being
you know, being a medic and everything from in my past.
You learn them about the basics and the mechanics in school,
but dealing with it out in the real world is
a whole different.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, it is, you know, I've of course, I can't
really tell anybody, say anybody's name or anything. But I've
dealt with a lot of maladaptive behaviors. I've seen a
lot of things that well, for lack of a better term,
you really can't unsee. But I love the work that
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I do. That why I've done it for twenty five years.
So you know, it's just it's just who I think
I was meant to be. I think this is what
God meant me to do.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Very well said, why don't you bring us into introduce
us to meet Needer Peter Nears and tell us about
this case? Because this you told me about this and
because I asked you, you know what do you want
to discuss and everything, And this is the case that
I've never heard about, and it took place in the
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fifteen hundreds, and it's just the elements involved in this
is these two cases are very much alike actually in
terms of their brutality and the the the means to
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an end of the means to the end for both
of them really were they were they dealt in the
dark arts, to say the least.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yes, Peter news Well he was born in Germany in
fifteen forty and he was ultimately accused of and convicted
of five hundred and forty four murders, including twenty four
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let's see, I'm trying to be gentle with this, twenty
four removals of fetuses from the bodies of women.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, that and that part, you know, for both of us,
is especially brutal and disturbing. The thing about it is
he used these and much of us, you know, many
of us know that if you're trying to really really
dig up some dark arts, the blood magic is supposedly
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the most powerful, and he is reported to be a
very powerful practitioner, I'll put it that way. And to
the point to where to the point to where they
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think that's what caused is his ultimate capture.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yes, he had actually he had several ballads written about him,
and they would go into his I guess you would
say his powerful aspects. He was purported to be able
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to change shape into a cat, a bird, several different things,
not a wolf, ironically, even though in the fifteen hundreds
where wolf trials were a huge thing in Germany and France.
But he uh, he was also uh and I believe
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probably this is this is more has more validity to it.
He was able to disguise himself very well through the
use of certain makeups, clothing, things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, you know, and they they talked about, if you
some reports having having have him having the ability to
shape shift.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
And but.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
When they start, people that disregard the powers that he
supposedly had say that he was just a master of
disguise and he was a leader of a group of bandits.
But he didn't but he wasn't the only one. There
was actually two groups of bandits that would work together,
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and him and another fellow led him, and then they
would split apart and go their own way and and
you know, do horrific crimes and stuff like that, and
then come back together. And I mean, but they ran
all over the place, all the way from what do
you say, Nuremberg all the way up to the Netherlands.
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I mean they had they were all over the place
for quite a long time.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Actually, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And uh from his mentor, whose name was Mert Steer,
the only reason he really he was deprived of.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
His bag.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Which held the parts. Uh they used several different parts
actually fully two Uh they would use the fan leaved
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would uh make them able to break into people's homes
and not wake them.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, all the way to the point of being able
to disappear and become invisible. And this took place in
the fifteen hundred. Somebody was asking that. And the thing
about it is, you made a good point earlier when
we were talking backstage. He's he confessed to five hundred
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and forty something murders, but this was, of course under torture. Now,
the point that you made earlier was even if he
was only responsible for say, ten percent of those, and
because you know, under torture, you're going to say you
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did anything. But even if he was just responsible for
ten percent, that's that's over fifty murders. And the level
of brutality that was involved is just kind of blows
me away because he not only but you got to remember, folks,
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not only was he he didn't he didn't act alone.
He had a following, and the people that were following
were okay with this. They I mean, he had to
be not only brutal and heartless and obviously a sociopath
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or a psychopath, but he had to be one of
those chrismatic people, you know, to develop a following.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Either that.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Or they just had so much fear of him when
he was among them, that they didn't dare go against
anything he was doing. Not to mention, if you're following
the guy like that, you're more than likely right in
the midst of it yourself. So how many murderers were
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they responsible for themselves? Basically, it's a group of robbers
and serial killers. Really, if you think about it, which is.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Terrifying, it is? It is, it's and it kind of
takes you back to when you start talking about groups
of serial killers and on occasion that pops up, but
it's rare. I mean, it's rare to have just two
that work together, much less an entire group. But when
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you start talking about cases like the Blade Vendors, that
the whole family was involved and and you know, rumors
that they weren't really related, but they were.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Are they were related?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Nobody really knows, But there are instances in especially back
in the in the fifteen hundred and seventeen, all the
way up to really the early twentieth century, when you
start talking about these gangs that would well, I mean, honestly,
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it's all the way up to today. Because if you
start talking about groups like MS thirteen and your if
you look at your your oh dad, gimmitt, your cartels.
That's what we're seeing because the level of brutality is
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there with with those groups.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, and I'm looking at chat here on my phone
and Patty and Denise both asked was it a cult?
And in some aspects I would say yes, it probably
was if you consider that they were all practicing the
same dark arts, so to speak, they were all gathered
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together for lack of a better term, back in that time,
they probably would have been considered like a coven of
dark practitioners. So yeah, I mean, and like you said,
he probably had a charismatic personality. So him and this
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other person that were the leaders of this thing, both
of them were probably charismatic or at least had them
under control through threat of violence or you know, if
you don't do this, you know, you're out on your
own or you're just dead. But I think probably it
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did have aspects of a cult to it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, I'm I tend to agree with you, because I mean,
being unterfearit one is one thing, I guess, But to
run with a group as long as these groups ran together,
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We're talking over the course of over forty years, basically
or at least twenty if depending on how young he
was when he first started, which we don't really know,
but I think he lived to be what was it
forty two or something like that because he was born
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supposedly in eight in fifteen forty and he was executed
in fifteen eighty one, so he was forty one he was, Yeah,
it was forty one. So if you if you think,
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you know, he was probably active from his late teens
to his early twenties and probably became mature enough to
start getting that following and everything. So you're talking about
probably some a group that ran together for about twenty.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Years before they were caught.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
And it's not like Folcus, it's not like he did
this the when we talk about him removing the fetuses
and everything, he was accused of doing that twenty four
times that they know.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Of he did.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
He did do acts of cannibalism and which and I
thought it was weird that there's there's several ballads of
him and everything like you were saying, and.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
It I don't know, man, it's.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yes, well, one of his accomplices involved with as well.
It's it's hard to say, I mean, uh, needless to say.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
If you're.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
If you're there and you're okay with it happening, you're complicit.
You're just as guilty as he is.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, exactly exactly. I mean to just go along with
this stuff, it's I don't know, it's I guess to
somebody that's quote unquote normal. This stuff is just it's
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unfathomable to be able to not not you know, just
go along with this stuff much less take you know,
be the part of it. But he was arrested. He
was arrested twice. He escaped the first time and let's see,
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he was, Let's see, I'm trying to see, uh.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
To to do to do? He was? He was.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He confessed to seventy five acts of murder, but somehow
managed to escape on his first time. Over the next
few years until his final arrest in fifteen eighty one,
a number of pamphlets, ballads, and stories were written and
circulated detailing cannibalism and mastery of the Black Arcs. For example,
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Yep it is said that when Nears and Summer's Game
gathered in falls Fallsburg, Paulsberg or fall Burg, Germany, they
had a meeting with the devil who gave his blessing
to the gang's ambitions, even providing Nears and Sumner with
a monthly pay, along with granting superpowers to supernatural powers
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to Nears even earlier than this, However, it seems that
Nears learned how to become invisible from his mentor, Martin Steer,
and that the only reason he was finally caught was
because he was deprived of his bag containing the magical
materials to make himself invisible. Invisible. Why don't you tell
us how he was finally how he's finally caught, and
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where he was finally caught. That's that's a little interesting story.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well, he uh checked into a basically like a hostel
or a hotel known as the Bells Tavern and decided
he wanted to have a bath, so he went to
the local bathhouse. He left his bag of magical materials
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behind with the with the tavern keeper and went to
a bath bath house. Uh, I'm beneath him, uh his
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picture m hm m hm.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And they.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Basically YEH told he didn't know that they knew.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Who you're cut you're cutting out on us.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So when he left, h he he uh uh he's strange.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So yeah, so this is what happened. You cut out
on us a little bit, so I'm gonna I'm gonna
reiterate what you just said. He arrived at Newmark and
lodged in an inn called the Bells. A couple of
days later, he felt desired to have a bath. He
went to a public bathhouse, leaving behind this precious, precious
bag of magic tricks materials to keep him safe by
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the end by the innkeeper. At this time, Peter Nears
that had achieved notoriety his physical appearance of circulating warrants
and pamphlets, one of those at the bathhouse. At the bathhouse,
a cooper recognized him, and gradually a mumbling and widespread
among the bathhouse guests that the stranger might indeed be
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the wanted arts killer. Nears himself was oblivious to the
changing mood evidently, and two citizens slipped out of the
bathousand and went to the end.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
There.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
On request, the endkeeper gave them near his bag. They
opened it and it could turned. It contained several hands,
severed hands, and hearts from the penises that he had removed.
Townspeople reacted quickly, and a force of eight men was gathered.
They apprehended him. When he understood that they had found
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out what he carried in his sack, he admitted to
his identity and that he was guilty, and confessed to
many of the murders. He was tortured and then executed
over the course of three days in September of fifteen
eighty one. On the first on the first day, he
was flayed, which they tore strips of flesh from his
body and then poured heated oil into the wounds. And
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then the second day his feet were smeared with heated
oil and then held above glowing coal coals, thereby roasting him.
On the third day, on September sixteenth, fifteen eighty one,
he was dragged to the place of execution. He was
broken on the wheel now when and then he when
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he was still alive, he was finally dismembered by drawing quartering.
Now they broke him on the wheel forty two times.
Now when they say this, when they talk about being
broken on the wheel, you are there's at least two
breaks per limb, one to above the elbow, one below
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the elbow, on above the knee, and want to below
the knee. I mean they eventually break your back and
then sometimes they will behead the body or behead you.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
But this was.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
In the UH. Like I said, over the course of
three days, he confessed to over five hundred murders. I
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just I can't. The depravity of the things that he
did was just unbelievable. Now what was I found interesting?
And then Brian were talking about this earlier. They would
despite disguise himself as as a shepherd and even a
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leoper and stuff like that. Now, strangely enough, and I
didn't know this. Shepherds were widely regarded as dishonorable, especially
in thinking of urban guilds.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
The UH.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I guess because they were the they spent so much
time with animals, They smelt like animals. They weren't welcome
and you know, taverns and such. But they were also
they spent so much time with animals. They were far
from civilized, is the way they looked at them. But
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what's what's funny, uh, the person the people there, there's
a level of of there's a type of person that
was considered even lower than than than shepherds. And these
were traveling minstrels. And I was like, what so a musician,
you were like the lowest of the low and in
in uh in society.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So yeah, I hm, it's hard to wrap your head
around things that he did. Really, I feel live because
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between the spokes, which really but you have to wonder
how many how much of it was actually just voluntarily given,
maybe even either bragging or trying to pieces notoriety, you
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know who can understand what.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I sent Brian a message. We're going to try to
get him back on a different device and see if
that helps. Yeah, Scott's life. The autos audio is going
in and out on Brian's side, and I apologize for that.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
That's the.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
One of the things about going live. The next the
next case that we want to that we want to
go over is Torlina Mayfield's thirty two. Now I want
to show y'all pictures of this girl and this hap
and in October and.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
So she was.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
She was.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
She was from Kentucky, Bourbon County, Kentucky, very small town.
Out of there, she moved to California. She was an
expiring model and actress and singer. She lived in California
for several years and then she moved back. I guess
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she wasn't quite making a cut and she moved back
in with her mother in Kentucky. Now this takes place
in October of this year. October tenth, I.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Believe is when it took place. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Let me look real quick. October sixteenth. Yeah, so this
is very very recent. Now, this is the this is
the gal. It's one of her modeling pictures, very pretty,
and she was into evidently the dark arts as well.
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Her mother had hired some workers to come do some
work on her place, and while they were there, they reported.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That and this is after the fact.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
After the next day they reported the fact that Torlena
was casting spells, cursing them and harassing them while they
were there working. And so they leave, and the next
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day they came back and they found to Lena's mother's
torso wrapped in a mattress, folded up in the backyard.
And so they called. They called nine one one, and
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see I think we got Brian back.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
He ran, Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I can?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
That sounds much better? Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Good?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
So what did they miss while I was gone?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I was just introducing the second case, all right. I
was showing this picture of her when she was doing
some modeling and stuff in California, and going over what
had happened. So the workers came back the next day
and found the torso of her mother wrapped in a
wrapped in a in a mattress in the backyard. They
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called nine one one, and when they showed up, Oh
this was she was a restaurant. On October ninth, after
an eleven hours standoff with police at her mother's home
in Mount Olivet, Kentucky, one of the constructors found the
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remains of her mother's dismembered body. A practical team eventually
managed to take fields in the custody line of investigators
to enter in search of the house. They found her
mother's head and other body parts in a still warm
pot that was in the oven. I believe and she
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was evidently using these body parts and everything to cast
spells and you know, practice the dark arts. Now, according
to her cousin, she reported she report he suffered a
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serious injury from injury injury from a motorcycle accident while
she was leaving in California. She just they described as
shift in her personality following the accident, and believe played
at break that led locked over not that incident.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Now, I wonder if that was her I'm sorry. I
wonder if that was her frontal lobe, because there's been uh,
several cases of serial killers where they believed they had
injury to the frontal lobe, the preferend the cortex.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I believe that's exactly where I was going with that.
Took the words right out of my mouth, brother, because
we hear that so often. In fact, that's one of
the commonalities common denominators that we see in these cases
in front of lobe damage. Ye.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, Arthur Shawcross suffered from that.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Richard Ramirez also claimed that he had had had injuries,
as did John Wayne Gacy.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Gary Ridgeway also m yeah, So it's it's very prevalent
in a lot of those cases. They say when she
was an actress in doing her thing out in California,
and now this is the family talking. I guess we
were told a couple of months ago that she was
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in a bad motorcycle accident and sustained a brain injury.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
There we go, still stole Fox fifty.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Six and was I guess, wandering around California, didn't know
her name, didn't know where she belonged, and people were
trying to get her help. And couldn't get it done.
So that's when Trudy stepped in to help. Trudy's her
mother and had her move back home. Her uncle did
not recognize it. She didn't didn't recognize her when he
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didn't recognize her when he saw the mugshot. I want
to show you why, folks, this is the difference. So,
like I said, the picture up now is the one
is one of her modeling pictures from California. This is
her mugshot. It's no wonder that they didn't recognize her. Yeah,
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that looks like two totally different people.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
It really does. Of course, she had a lot of
makeup on and everything in the other one, but still
at all, Yeah, she does. She looks like a different
person there. I didn't see. I read some things about this.
It didn't look like they found any drug paraphernalia or
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any drugs anything like mythemphetamine or anything in the house.
So that doesn't appear to actually be a factor, right.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Right, I think so very much to do with the
brain injury that she suffered. Yes, from what we can gather,
she was allegedly she was allegedly under the influence. She was,
but they don't say drugs, So I'm guessing she was
drunk when they when they when they caught her, she was.
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She was originally originally charged with murder, abusive a corpse,
and tampering physical evidence. She also tortured and killed a
cat or a dog, and obstruction government operations. She was
booked in the Bourbon County Detention Center on a one
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point five million dollar bond, and she had dismembered her
mother to the extent of they found her hands, her feet,
and her forearms in the pot and with some some entrails,
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I do believe, and in her head, in her head,
so the only thing that they found outside was her.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Torso so so they actually did charge her with murder
because of the the account that I read back a
while ago, they had only three charges on her was
abuse of a corpse, obstruction of governmental you know things,
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and what was the other one that you had mentioned?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Sorry that there were several there. Let's see, Uh do
do do do? I don't know why I do that?
Do do? That's annoying?
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Where's it that? Where's it that?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, before they charged her with before she was indicted
for the murder, it was abusive a courtse tampering physical evidence, yeah,
tampering hat or a dog, obstruction government operations.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, So they must have come to the conclusion and
found evidence that she actually did kill her because I
had wondered if perhaps her mother had passed away at
some point, much like you know ed Dean's mom passed away,
you know, right, and she just didn't report it and
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decided to basically abuse the corpse.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Now this was not like that at all. She actually
stabbed and shot her in the head several times.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Okay, well not okay, but yes, I understand.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Oh but I think if she's got a good attorney,
which you know, you can you can have your.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Own opinions about public.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
But if if, if they if they.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Can prove that, you know, her, her changing personality and
everything took place after the accidents, did have confirmed the
brain damage and everything, I would think that she ends
up in an institution and not a prison.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I would think so too, because let's let's if she
had that drastic of a head injury and that much
of a change in personality to the point where, uh,
maybe it wasn't even physically, maybe it was also you know,
emotionally and you know, just her demeanor her uncle didn't
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even recognize who she was. She had changed that much
maybe as a person completely, you know, right, that he
just didn't know who she was anymore. It's quite possible
she didn't know who she was really anymore. So yeah,
I mean, so, for lack of a better term, that's
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pretty good. I guess you'd say excuse or defense at
least for why she did what she did. But you know, still,
in all it's it's it's disturbing, of course, it's it's horrible.
But uh, I think I think that the mental illness
(42:43):
and head injury and all of that had a definite, uh,
definite effect.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, because I mean she exhibits all the all the
when when I talk about her being kind confrontationally, talk
about her not knowing who she was, where she was,
where she belonged, you know, just wandering around California. It's amazing.
I'm guessing they found out from maybe some idea that
(43:15):
she had on her and got hold of her mother,
and her mother moved her back. You know, it's she
was covered when they found her. She was covered in blood,
absolutely covered in blood.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
So it was not.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I mean, it hadn't been very long that she did
what she did, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Or it had been quite a while and she just
did not clean up and clean up. Yeah yeah, because
to her, in her mind, perhaps she hadn't done anything
to clean up, I mean, or it didn't it didn't
(44:03):
matter to her, right which there again, that's a drastic
change in demeanor and personality too, because it looked like
she was, for lack of a bear term, when she
was in her modeling picture there she looked like pretty
(44:23):
clean and orderly person Of course, you're not going to
take modeling pictures looking like a stack of.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Hay, but right, yeah, you know, yeah, it's I mean,
this is an absolutely shocking crime. And but the thing
about it is when you really get to thinking about
this is it's sad. I mean because if she had
(44:51):
been to me, this is just another failure of one
of our many broken systems. Because if she had that
much of a brain damage, brain damage, and she didn't
even know who she was, where she belonged, or anything,
why was she out walking around? It doesn't say anything
(45:15):
about how she was, if.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
She was.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
If she broke out, released or or anything.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah. Well, I mean, not to not to really pick
on them or anything, but if you if you look
at what's going on in California the mental health system,
uh is just it's it's it's overtaxed. Really, so so
(45:51):
many people slipped through the cracks, you know, and just
the resources times aren't there. So I mean they maybe
they had some kind of cursory you know, evaluation, and
(46:12):
she was able to answer certain questions to their satisfaction.
So they just used her information and basically escorted her
out of the state of California and sent her back
to Kentucky. Because for not to sound blunt or well,
it is blunt, She's just one more case on a
(46:34):
huge case load.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Absolutely absolutely, you know. I was looking here at I
looked up for alias, which is Naomi neverro Never never Hear, and.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
The I found a picture of her.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
With out all the hokey looking makeup and everything, and
I'll bring that up. Let's see here. Yeah, oops, let
me just a second, I'll bring that up. Just I
(47:24):
don't know, it's just the transformation is just unbelievable from
from this is their mugshot right here, and this is
another one of her shots.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Come on, that is a that's a huge change.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, So, I mean it's to me that that just
tells us that her mental state was compromised, extremely compromised
because she let herself go that much. You know. Of
course that's kind of kind of like maybe I guess
you would say like a modeling shot too, but still
(48:11):
in all, I mean, yeah, and I don't know how
much many times people that have mental illness or even
physical pain is hard to tell. She might have been
in a lot of physical pain with the traumatic brain
injury that she suffered as well, so you know, she
(48:36):
might the reason she was under the influence might have
been because she was self medicating, you know, she just
didn't have And it sounds like she lived in a
very rural area of Kentucky as well, so the resources
there aren't the greatest in the world either, you know,
(48:58):
mental health and medical resources aren't the greatest in the world.
And a lot of rural areas like that, h.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Dogs like one of y'all gonna talk about this. Naomi
Novere Navar, I just posted it in Chat. It's Naomi
in A O M. I last name is Nvere Navar
(49:32):
in A V A R R E. That's her stage
name or how you want to.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Look at it.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
She's got she's she's all over Instagram, she's been in
some TV. She's been she's got an IBM I m
dB page.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
It's sad when you really start she was on the
Desert Project. It's just crazy when you say the transformation
is just.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
And that's another sad thing too. It seems if she
had all of that, and she had been working in
television and as an IMDb page and all of that,
she was probably a member of the Screen Actors Guild,
which means, you know, she should have had some sort
of medical benefits through that, you would think, unless, of course,
(50:43):
she just let all of that, you know, let her
card expire and let everything just kind of go because we,
i mean, we don't really know what was happening to
her even before the motorcycle accident when she was in California.
So you know, a lot of times, unfortunately, people slip
(51:05):
through the cracks and and fall into some parts of society,
you know, and fall into uh addiction, uh, things of
that nature. And uh in California, it's not hard to
become homeless. Uh. Set go ahead, Well.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
I'm looking I'm looking her up and the Naomi Nvar
that that that I found on her on an eye
the I N D B page looks to be a
totally different person.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
I wonder if she took that alias from this other person.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
That's possibility as well. You know, it's sounds like it's
it's kind of a mystery, uh as to uh what
was happening with her in California prior to and uh
maybe even after this motorcycle accident that she was in. Yeah,
(52:22):
so uh, you know, uh, they don't really say what
she was under the influence of when they uh, when
they apprehended her in Kentucky. But you know, it's so it's.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
See and this gets just gets deeper and deeper. From
Daily Mail. You there's an article about the secret ideitay
of a woman arrested for cooking her mother's dismembered body parts,
revealed to Mayfields.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Come on pop up saman in the World three flier
Slimmer read the freaking article.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
Tolina Mayfields, thirty two, was taken into custody last week
after Kentucky State police found the body of her sixty
eight year old mother, Trudy, playing in the backyard. She's
now accused of shooting her mother in the head, stabbing
her several times before decapitating, dismembering, eviscerating her mother's corpse,
and placing their heads, head, hands, feet, and forums in
(53:38):
a pot in the oven until cooking until they were charged.
But the family members and friends say Torlina or Torri
grew up as a stereotypical country girl with loving parents.
They say her problems only started after she moved to
California to pursue a career as an after singer under
(54:00):
the name of Name when You Vary. Olivia Brockfield's cousin
said she sees Torlina as this little girl with classic
blonde curls playing the piano. She was an amazing piano player,
noting that she grew up with chickens, horses in a
country girl bouncy blonde curls. On to graduate high school
(54:25):
in twenty eleven, was a member of the track and
field team the Family, Career and Community Leaders of America,
who was voted biggest flirt Let's see, Let's see Yeah,
(54:49):
Oh my gosh, man.
Speaker 4 (54:51):
She was just.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
She went to the She went to Moorhead State University,
where she met Brandon Ankle in English class. He said
he remembered his friend's friend is a fitness enthusiast who
was out going, funny and friendly. Just nothing really bothered her.
She was out going, energetic, tough, and funny. I wouldn't
say they were best friends forever, but close enough. When
(55:17):
you heard the news, he was a stunned. It's not
the persons he knew she was. She was studying criminal criminology,
and nobody ever picked up any red flags.
Speaker 4 (55:35):
We have to call it.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Yeah, I mean it makes it makes you wonder. Uh,
when she went to California, I mean there's there's a
lot of pressure out there to I guess you would say,
succeed uh in that kind of being in that kind
of business. Uh, there's so much competition, so that and yeah,
(56:01):
what kind of people did she get involved with when
she was in California as well? We don't we don't
really know that there's there's there's a lot of strange
and twisted people in the show business industry. We all
know that, right, So who knows what kind of influence
(56:22):
or whose influence she came under and what happened to
her after that? You said that she claimed it was
part of some sort of ritual magic that she was
trying to do text.
Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's supposedly the workers that she was
trying to cast spells on them the day before and
then evidently she killed her mother that night or the
next day, and then that's when the workers came back
and found her. This is interesting. She that the one
(56:56):
the ones, the one, the person I was looking at
on IMDb is her. She was in two films, Desert
Project and a Dance Story. In twenty nineteen, she had
one hundred and fifty four thousand followers on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (57:18):
Okay, yeah, I mean it's just.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
So I can't help but think that something happened to
her in California prior to the motorcycle accident, because you know,
you just you don't, you don't, I mean, your personality
can be drastically changed, but by something like that. But
(57:51):
what was put into her into her head? Yeah, before
all of that happened to her.
Speaker 4 (58:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
Just the more I find out about this, it's just.
Speaker 4 (58:07):
Says they.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Okay, So the guy, the worker that found the body
and foreign troopers that he had been at the property
day before and had seen both the victim and fields.
On October eighth, he said to Arlina was casting spells
on him in confrontational Police attained a search warrant entered
(58:34):
the home. After they were unable to contact Torlina. She
finally came out of hiding. She was covered in blood.
Thorough search of the property revealed a bloody mattress containing
multiple body parts and organs. Of course, they they found,
you know, the pot with all the body parts in it.
(59:00):
Now the family is just the family is just flabbergast.
They have no idea what they're blaming. That they're blaming
the rest the motorcycle accident. And I can understand that,
I really can, because it seems that's when all this
took place.
Speaker 4 (59:20):
Changed.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
But I think, you know, we have to also consider
maybe some antecedents prior to because I mean, the motorcycle crash. Yes,
it can, it can change a person's personality to a
certain extent. But if she's if she's doing this whole
you know, cast and spells thing and all of that,
(59:45):
that tells me that she had some contact and and
I mean it doesn't sound to me like while she
was at university, while she was living with her family
in Kentucky, she was she was your basic you know,
like they said a down to earth country girl, nice, pleasant, intelligent, talented,
(01:00:07):
and she moves to California and gets into this motorcycle accident,
comes back a totally different person. Yes, the motorcycle accident
can change that person's personality. However, they're also going to
draw on things that they've experienced prior to that. Right,
(01:00:30):
So what kind of people did she fall into the
into when she was in California? Right? Right, that's you know,
that's just that's something that I'm wondering.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Yeah, I justin Retro movie Channel is asking if I
can drop the link he wants to come up. We're
not gonna do actually, we're at the end of the broadcast.
Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
But we do we do do that.
Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
We do have open panel discussions dropped the link in
certain shows. Those are usually on our on our late
night shows. So keep tuning in and and uh, you know,
watch for that and we'll be happy to have you. Brian.
We're gonna cut it off, brother, I appreciate you joining me,
and uh, y'all take care and we will see you
(01:01:25):
tonight on the Texas front Porch. Jen Eddie and Jen
from Eddie and Gin's blogs are joining us tonight. These
people are absolutely amazing, their their their their kids are amazing,
absolutely and the day loving to death. You see Cody
(01:01:46):
there once in a while in chat. Hopefully, hopefully the
boys will say hi to us tonight and I'm really
looking forward to it. So y'all don't miss it, because
they got a lot of paranormal expert answers, but there's
a little there's a little something special that that you
do not want to miss because this is this is
(01:02:09):
you're gonna get. You're gonna get to hear some really
special stories. But I thank you, thanks for everybody for
joining us. I'm sorry about the audio at the beginning
of it, but we got it worked out. And we're
gonna have Brian back for sure, because I want him
and Danielle to do a show together because I think
(01:02:31):
they can have some fascinating conversations and we're gonna make that. Yeah,
So y'all have a good one and we'll catch all
on the flip side.
Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
Be careful after
Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Alright, all right, welcome, We'll be every
I got nightmares in my heart.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I fear that the dots billed up until I can
hear that, my mind fills up into a creature and
it hunts me somewhere much.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Welcome to Infamous Minds. Welcome everybody. Today is going to
be a little bit different. I have a guest with me, Brian,
(01:08):
cos you've seen him in chat, You've heard him on
the show a couple of times on other shows that
I've had. Me and Brian have been friends for several years.
He works, he's been working in mental health care for
knows how long. Danielle has the day off she is spending.
(01:29):
She had to work late last night, so she's spending
with her family. They're going to church and all that
kind of stuff today. So it's me and Brian and
we're going to discuss a couple of cases. One case
we're going to discuss is what I mentioned last night,
which is the case of Torlina Mayfields in Kentucky, and
(01:51):
this took place in October. The other case that we're
going to discuss is Peter Nears. Now Peter Nears case
took place back in the fifteen hundreds. They're both fascinating
cases and I will tell you this. There's really they're
(02:11):
both especially brutal, and we're gonna be kind of skirting
around some subjects, but we're gonna let you know what
happened without getting into the gruesome details about it. You
may have to read between the lines and at certain points,
(02:35):
but the as you know, we don't really get into
the Hey, Christa, we really don't get into the gruesome
details about the cases here. We focus more on the
psychological aspect of it and the victims and stuff. So,
(02:55):
without further ado, let me get mister Brian, Sir Brian
up here. Heyboddy, m hm.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
H m. How you doing? Man?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Hello everybody, how are you doing to day?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Text?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Dude, I'm good. You know, like we were talking about backstage,
we do have kind of a lag today that we're
dealing with, so y'all bear with us. This is more
like this conversation between me and Brian is gonna be
more along the lines of we're talking on handheld radios. So, Brian,
(03:53):
why don't you tell everybody what your background is and
everything before we get started into this.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Well, for the past twenty five years, I have worked
with persons with developmental disabilities and with mental illness before that.
Even I grew up in home. My sister and my
(04:21):
mother both dealt with mental illness, so it was something.
Psychology is something that has interested me for quite some time,
and I pretty much self taught myself, read a lot
of books. I even took the Harvard course on audio cassette.
(04:45):
I found that on psychology. I listened to the entire
thing multiple times, and I found it very fascinating, especially
abnormal psychology, because that was something that I was very
interested in. So, you know, self taught, and I have
an interest in learning more about people in general as
(05:09):
far as their mental makeup.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, you know, and I think, uh, you know, dealing
with it working in the facilities you've worked in the
past is is invaluable. I mean it's schooling is one thing,
but hands on, for lack of a better term, on
the job training.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I guess is to me just as just as.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Important, if not more, because I know, even just being
you know, being a medic and everything from in my past.
You learn them about the basics and the mechanics in school,
but dealing with it out in the real world is
a whole different.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, it is, you know, I've of course, I can't
really tell anybody, say anybody's name or anything. But I've
dealt with a lot of maladaptive behaviors. I've seen a
lot of things that well, for lack of a better term,
you really can't unsee. But I love the work that
(06:36):
I do. That why I've done it for twenty five years.
So you know, it's just it's just who I think
I was meant to be. I think this is what
God meant me to do.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Very well said, why don't you bring us into introduce
us to meet Needer Peter Nears and tell us about
this case? Because this you told me about this and
because I asked you, you know what do you want
to discuss and everything, And this is the case that
I've never heard about, and it took place in the
(07:16):
fifteen hundreds, and it's just the elements involved in this
is these two cases are very much alike actually in
terms of their brutality and the the the means to
(07:44):
an end of the means to the end for both
of them really were they were they dealt in the
dark arts, to say the least.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yes, Peter news Well he was born in Germany in
fifteen forty and he was ultimately accused of and convicted
of five hundred and forty four murders, including twenty four
(08:19):
let's see, I'm trying to be gentle with this, twenty
four removals of fetuses from the bodies of women.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, that and that part, you know, for both of us,
is especially brutal and disturbing. The thing about it is
he used these and much of us, you know, many
of us know that if you're trying to really really
dig up some dark arts, the blood magic is supposedly
(08:55):
the most powerful, and he is reported to be a
very powerful practitioner, I'll put it that way. And to
the point to where to the point to where they
(09:15):
think that's what caused is his ultimate capture.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yes, he had actually he had several ballads written about him,
and they would go into his I guess you would
say his powerful aspects. He was purported to be able
(09:47):
to change shape into a cat, a bird, several different things,
not a wolf, ironically, even though in the fifteen hundreds
where wolf trials were a huge thing in Germany and France.
But he uh, he was also uh and I believe
(10:09):
probably this is this is more has more validity to it.
He was able to disguise himself very well through the
use of certain makeups, clothing, things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, you know, and they they talked about, if you
some reports having having have him having the ability to
shape shift.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
And but.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
When they start, people that disregard the powers that he
supposedly had say that he was just a master of
disguise and he was a leader of a group of bandits.
But he didn't but he wasn't the only one. There
was actually two groups of bandits that would work together,
(11:06):
and him and another fellow led him, and then they
would split apart and go their own way and and
you know, do horrific crimes and stuff like that, and
then come back together. And I mean, but they ran
all over the place, all the way from what do
you say, Nuremberg all the way up to the Netherlands.
(11:28):
I mean they had they were all over the place
for quite a long time.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Actually, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And uh from his mentor, whose name was Mert Steer,
the only reason he really he was deprived of.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
His bag.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Which held the parts. Uh they used several different parts
actually fully two Uh they would use the fan leaved
(12:45):
would uh make them able to break into people's homes
and not wake them.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, all the way to the point of being able
to disappear and become invisible. And this took place in
the fifteen hundred. Somebody was asking that. And the thing
about it is, you made a good point earlier when
we were talking backstage. He's he confessed to five hundred
(13:22):
and forty something murders, but this was, of course under torture. Now,
the point that you made earlier was even if he
was only responsible for say, ten percent of those, and
because you know, under torture, you're going to say you
(13:42):
did anything. But even if he was just responsible for
ten percent, that's that's over fifty murders. And the level
of brutality that was involved is just kind of blows
me away because he not only but you got to remember, folks,
(14:04):
not only was he he didn't he didn't act alone.
He had a following, and the people that were following
were okay with this. They I mean, he had to
be not only brutal and heartless and obviously a sociopath
(14:33):
or a psychopath, but he had to be one of
those chrismatic people, you know, to develop a following.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Either that.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Or they just had so much fear of him when
he was among them, that they didn't dare go against
anything he was doing. Not to mention, if you're following
the guy like that, you're more than likely right in
the midst of it yourself. So how many murderers were
(15:08):
they responsible for themselves? Basically, it's a group of robbers
and serial killers. Really, if you think about it, which is.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Terrifying, it is? It is, it's and it kind of
takes you back to when you start talking about groups
of serial killers and on occasion that pops up, but
it's rare. I mean, it's rare to have just two
that work together, much less an entire group. But when
(15:41):
you start talking about cases like the Blade Vendors, that
the whole family was involved and and you know, rumors
that they weren't really related, but they were.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Are they were related?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Nobody really knows, But there are instances in especially back
in the in the fifteen hundred and seventeen, all the
way up to really the early twentieth century, when you
start talking about these gangs that would well, I mean, honestly,
(16:19):
it's all the way up to today. Because if you
start talking about groups like MS thirteen and your if
you look at your your oh dad, gimmitt, your cartels.
That's what we're seeing because the level of brutality is
(16:39):
there with with those groups.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, and I'm looking at chat here on my phone
and Patty and Denise both asked was it a cult?
And in some aspects I would say yes, it probably
was if you consider that they were all practicing the
same dark arts, so to speak, they were all gathered
(17:09):
together for lack of a better term, back in that time,
they probably would have been considered like a coven of
dark practitioners. So yeah, I mean, and like you said,
he probably had a charismatic personality. So him and this
(17:32):
other person that were the leaders of this thing, both
of them were probably charismatic or at least had them
under control through threat of violence or you know, if
you don't do this, you know, you're out on your
own or you're just dead. But I think probably it
(17:54):
did have aspects of a cult to it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, I'm I tend to agree with you, because I mean,
being unterfearit one is one thing, I guess, But to
run with a group as long as these groups ran together,
(18:21):
We're talking over the course of over forty years, basically
or at least twenty if depending on how young he
was when he first started, which we don't really know,
but I think he lived to be what was it
forty two or something like that because he was born
(18:44):
supposedly in eight in fifteen forty and he was executed
in fifteen eighty one, so he was forty one he was, Yeah,
it was forty one. So if you if you think,
(19:06):
you know, he was probably active from his late teens
to his early twenties and probably became mature enough to
start getting that following and everything. So you're talking about
probably some a group that ran together for about twenty.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Years before they were caught.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
And it's not like Folcus, it's not like he did
this the when we talk about him removing the fetuses
and everything, he was accused of doing that twenty four
times that they know.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Of he did.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
He did do acts of cannibalism and which and I
thought it was weird that there's there's several ballads of
him and everything like you were saying, and.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
It I don't know, man, it's.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yes, well, one of his accomplices involved with as well.
It's it's hard to say, I mean, uh, needless to say.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
If you're.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
If you're there and you're okay with it happening, you're complicit.
You're just as guilty as he is.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, exactly exactly. I mean to just go along with
this stuff, it's I don't know, it's I guess to
somebody that's quote unquote normal. This stuff is just it's
(20:50):
unfathomable to be able to not not you know, just
go along with this stuff much less take you know,
be the part of it. But he was arrested. He
was arrested twice. He escaped the first time and let's see,
(21:13):
he was, Let's see, I'm trying to see, uh.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
To to do to do? He was? He was.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He confessed to seventy five acts of murder, but somehow
managed to escape on his first time. Over the next
few years until his final arrest in fifteen eighty one,
a number of pamphlets, ballads, and stories were written and
circulated detailing cannibalism and mastery of the Black Arcs. For example,
(21:50):
Yep it is said that when Nears and Summer's Game
gathered in falls Fallsburg, Paulsberg or fall Burg, Germany, they
had a meeting with the devil who gave his blessing
to the gang's ambitions, even providing Nears and Sumner with
a monthly pay, along with granting superpowers to supernatural powers
(22:14):
to Nears even earlier than this, However, it seems that
Nears learned how to become invisible from his mentor, Martin Steer,
and that the only reason he was finally caught was
because he was deprived of his bag containing the magical
materials to make himself invisible. Invisible. Why don't you tell
us how he was finally how he's finally caught, and
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where he was finally caught. That's that's a little interesting story.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well, he uh checked into a basically like a hostel
or a hotel known as the Bells Tavern and decided
he wanted to have a bath, so he went to
the local bathhouse. He left his bag of magical materials
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behind with the with the tavern keeper and went to
a bath bath house. Uh, I'm beneath him, uh his
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picture m hm m hm.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And they.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Basically YEH told he didn't know that they knew.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Who you're cut you're cutting out on us.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
So when he left, h he he uh uh he's strange.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So yeah, so this is what happened. You cut out
on us a little bit, so I'm gonna I'm gonna
reiterate what you just said. He arrived at Newmark and
lodged in an inn called the Bells. A couple of
days later, he felt desired to have a bath. He
went to a public bathhouse, leaving behind this precious, precious
bag of magic tricks materials to keep him safe by
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the end by the innkeeper. At this time, Peter Nears
that had achieved notoriety his physical appearance of circulating warrants
and pamphlets, one of those at the bathhouse. At the bathhouse,
a cooper recognized him, and gradually a mumbling and widespread
among the bathhouse guests that the stranger might indeed be
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the wanted arts killer. Nears himself was oblivious to the
changing mood evidently, and two citizens slipped out of the
bathousand and went to the end.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
There.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
On request, the endkeeper gave them near his bag. They
opened it and it could turned. It contained several hands,
severed hands, and hearts from the penises that he had removed.
Townspeople reacted quickly, and a force of eight men was gathered.
They apprehended him. When he understood that they had found
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out what he carried in his sack, he admitted to
his identity and that he was guilty, and confessed to
many of the murders. He was tortured and then executed
over the course of three days in September of fifteen
eighty one. On the first on the first day, he
was flayed, which they tore strips of flesh from his
body and then poured heated oil into the wounds. And
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then the second day his feet were smeared with heated
oil and then held above glowing coal coals, thereby roasting him.
On the third day, on September sixteenth, fifteen eighty one,
he was dragged to the place of execution. He was
broken on the wheel now when and then he when
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he was still alive, he was finally dismembered by drawing quartering.
Now they broke him on the wheel forty two times.
Now when they say this, when they talk about being
broken on the wheel, you are there's at least two
breaks per limb, one to above the elbow, one below
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the elbow, on above the knee, and want to below
the knee. I mean they eventually break your back and
then sometimes they will behead the body or behead you.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
But this was.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
In the UH. Like I said, over the course of
three days, he confessed to over five hundred murders. I
(27:22):
just I can't. The depravity of the things that he
did was just unbelievable. Now what was I found interesting?
And then Brian were talking about this earlier. They would
despite disguise himself as as a shepherd and even a
(27:42):
leoper and stuff like that. Now, strangely enough, and I
didn't know this. Shepherds were widely regarded as dishonorable, especially
in thinking of urban guilds.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
The UH.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I guess because they were the they spent so much
time with animals, They smelt like animals. They weren't welcome
and you know, taverns and such. But they were also
they spent so much time with animals. They were far
from civilized, is the way they looked at them. But
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what's what's funny, uh, the person the people there, there's
a level of of there's a type of person that
was considered even lower than than than shepherds. And these
were traveling minstrels. And I was like, what so a musician,
you were like the lowest of the low and in
in uh in society.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So yeah, I hm, it's hard to wrap your head
around things that he did. Really, I feel live because
(29:32):
between the spokes, which really but you have to wonder
how many how much of it was actually just voluntarily given,
maybe even either bragging or trying to pieces notoriety, you
(30:15):
know who can understand what.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I sent Brian a message. We're going to try to
get him back on a different device and see if
that helps. Yeah, Scott's life. The autos audio is going
in and out on Brian's side, and I apologize for that.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
That's the.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
One of the things about going live. The next the
next case that we want to that we want to
go over is Torlina Mayfield's thirty two. Now I want
to show y'all pictures of this girl and this hap
and in October and.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
So she was.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
She was.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
She was from Kentucky, Bourbon County, Kentucky, very small town.
Out of there, she moved to California. She was an
expiring model and actress and singer. She lived in California
for several years and then she moved back. I guess
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she wasn't quite making a cut and she moved back
in with her mother in Kentucky. Now this takes place
in October of this year. October tenth, I.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Believe is when it took place. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Let me look real quick. October sixteenth. Yeah, so this
is very very recent. Now, this is the this is
the gal. It's one of her modeling pictures, very pretty,
and she was into evidently the dark arts as well.
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Her mother had hired some workers to come do some
work on her place, and while they were there, they reported.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That and this is after the fact.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
After the next day they reported the fact that Torlena
was casting spells, cursing them and harassing them while they
were there working. And so they leave, and the next
(32:43):
day they came back and they found to Lena's mother's
torso wrapped in a mattress, folded up in the backyard.
And so they called. They called nine one one, and
(33:11):
see I think we got Brian back.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
He ran, Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I can?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
That sounds much better? Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Good?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:26):
So what did they miss while I was gone?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
I was just introducing the second case, all right. I
was showing this picture of her when she was doing
some modeling and stuff in California, and going over what
had happened. So the workers came back the next day
and found the torso of her mother wrapped in a
wrapped in a in a mattress in the backyard. They
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called nine one one, and when they showed up, Oh
this was she was a restaurant. On October ninth, after
an eleven hours standoff with police at her mother's home
in Mount Olivet, Kentucky, one of the constructors found the
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remains of her mother's dismembered body. A practical team eventually
managed to take fields in the custody line of investigators
to enter in search of the house. They found her
mother's head and other body parts in a still warm
pot that was in the oven. I believe and she
(34:36):
was evidently using these body parts and everything to cast
spells and you know, practice the dark arts. Now, according
to her cousin, she reported she report he suffered a
(35:02):
serious injury from injury injury from a motorcycle accident while
she was leaving in California. She just they described as
shift in her personality following the accident, and believe played
at break that led locked over not that incident.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Now, I wonder if that was her I'm sorry. I
wonder if that was her frontal lobe, because there's been uh,
several cases of serial killers where they believed they had
injury to the frontal lobe, the preferend the cortex.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I believe that's exactly where I was going with that.
Took the words right out of my mouth, brother, because
we hear that so often. In fact, that's one of
the commonalities common denominators that we see in these cases
in front of lobe damage. Ye.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, Arthur Shawcross suffered from that.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Richard Ramirez also claimed that he had had had injuries,
as did John Wayne Gacy.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Gary Ridgeway also m yeah, So it's it's very prevalent
in a lot of those cases. They say when she
was an actress in doing her thing out in California,
and now this is the family talking. I guess we
were told a couple of months ago that she was
(36:26):
in a bad motorcycle accident and sustained a brain injury.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
There we go, still stole Fox fifty.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Six and was I guess, wandering around California, didn't know
her name, didn't know where she belonged, and people were
trying to get her help. And couldn't get it done.
So that's when Trudy stepped in to help. Trudy's her
mother and had her move back home. Her uncle did
not recognize it. She didn't didn't recognize her when he
(36:53):
didn't recognize her when he saw the mugshot. I want
to show you why, folks, this is the difference. So,
like I said, the picture up now is the one
is one of her modeling pictures from California. This is
her mugshot. It's no wonder that they didn't recognize her. Yeah,
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that looks like two totally different people.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
It really does. Of course, she had a lot of
makeup on and everything in the other one, but still
at all, Yeah, she does. She looks like a different
person there. I didn't see. I read some things about this.
It didn't look like they found any drug paraphernalia or
(37:38):
any drugs anything like mythemphetamine or anything in the house.
So that doesn't appear to actually be a factor, right.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Right, I think so very much to do with the
brain injury that she suffered. Yes, from what we can gather,
she was allegedly she was allegedly under the influence. She was,
but they don't say drugs, So I'm guessing she was
drunk when they when they when they caught her, she was.
(38:11):
She was originally originally charged with murder, abusive a corpse,
and tampering physical evidence. She also tortured and killed a
cat or a dog, and obstruction government operations. She was
booked in the Bourbon County Detention Center on a one
(38:32):
point five million dollar bond, and she had dismembered her
mother to the extent of they found her hands, her feet,
and her forearms in the pot and with some some entrails,
(38:52):
I do believe, and in her head, in her head,
so the only thing that they found outside was her.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Torso so so they actually did charge her with murder
because of the the account that I read back a
while ago, they had only three charges on her was
abuse of a corpse, obstruction of governmental you know things,
(39:22):
and what was the other one that you had mentioned?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Sorry that there were several there. Let's see, Uh do
do do do? I don't know why I do that?
Do do? That's annoying?
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Where's it that? Where's it that?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yeah, before they charged her with before she was indicted
for the murder, it was abusive a courtse tampering physical evidence, yeah,
tampering hat or a dog, obstruction government operations.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, So they must have come to the conclusion and
found evidence that she actually did kill her because I
had wondered if perhaps her mother had passed away at
some point, much like you know ed Dean's mom passed away,
you know, right, and she just didn't report it and
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decided to basically abuse the corpse.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Now this was not like that at all. She actually
stabbed and shot her in the head several times.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Okay, well not okay, but yes, I understand.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Oh but I think if she's got a good attorney,
which you know, you can you can have your.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Own opinions about public.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
But if if, if they if they.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Can prove that, you know, her, her changing personality and
everything took place after the accidents, did have confirmed the
brain damage and everything, I would think that she ends
up in an institution and not a prison.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I would think so too, because let's let's if she
had that drastic of a head injury and that much
of a change in personality to the point where, uh,
maybe it wasn't even physically, maybe it was also you know,
emotionally and you know, just her demeanor her uncle didn't
(41:52):
even recognize who she was. She had changed that much
maybe as a person completely, you know, right, that he
just didn't know who she was anymore. It's quite possible
she didn't know who she was really anymore. So yeah,
I mean, so, for lack of a better term, that's
(42:19):
pretty good. I guess you'd say excuse or defense at
least for why she did what she did. But you know, still,
in all it's it's it's disturbing, of course, it's it's horrible.
But uh, I think I think that the mental illness
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and head injury and all of that had a definite, uh,
definite effect.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, because I mean she exhibits all the all the
when when I talk about her being kind confrontationally, talk
about her not knowing who she was, where she was,
where she belonged, you know, just wandering around California. It's amazing.
I'm guessing they found out from maybe some idea that
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she had on her and got hold of her mother,
and her mother moved her back. You know, it's she
was covered when they found her. She was covered in blood,
absolutely covered in blood.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
So it was not.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I mean, it hadn't been very long that she did
what she did, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Or it had been quite a while and she just
did not clean up and clean up. Yeah yeah, because
to her, in her mind, perhaps she hadn't done anything
to clean up, I mean, or it didn't it didn't
(44:03):
matter to her, right which there again, that's a drastic
change in demeanor and personality too, because it looked like
she was, for lack of a bear term, when she
was in her modeling picture there she looked like pretty
(44:23):
clean and orderly person Of course, you're not going to
take modeling pictures looking like a stack of.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Hay, but right, yeah, you know, yeah, it's I mean,
this is an absolutely shocking crime. And but the thing
about it is when you really get to thinking about
this is it's sad. I mean because if she had
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been to me, this is just another failure of one
of our many broken systems. Because if she had that
much of a brain damage, brain damage, and she didn't
even know who she was, where she belonged, or anything,
why was she out walking around? It doesn't say anything
(45:15):
about how she was, if.
Speaker 4 (45:23):
She was.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
If she broke out, released or or anything.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah. Well, I mean, not to not to really pick
on them or anything, but if you if you look
at what's going on in California the mental health system,
uh is just it's it's it's overtaxed. Really, so so
(45:51):
many people slipped through the cracks, you know, and just
the resources times aren't there. So I mean they maybe
they had some kind of cursory you know, evaluation, and
(46:12):
she was able to answer certain questions to their satisfaction.
So they just used her information and basically escorted her
out of the state of California and sent her back
to Kentucky. Because for not to sound blunt or well,
it is blunt, She's just one more case on a
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huge case load.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Absolutely absolutely, you know. I was looking here at I
looked up for alias, which is Naomi neverro Never never Hear, and.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
The I found a picture of her.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
With out all the hokey looking makeup and everything, and
I'll bring that up. Let's see here. Yeah, oops, let
me just a second, I'll bring that up. Just I
(47:24):
don't know, it's just the transformation is just unbelievable from
from this is their mugshot right here, and this is
another one of her shots.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Come on, that is a that's a huge change.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, So, I mean it's to me that that just
tells us that her mental state was compromised, extremely compromised
because she let herself go that much. You know. Of
course that's kind of kind of like maybe I guess
you would say like a modeling shot too, but still
(48:11):
in all, I mean, yeah, and I don't know how
much many times people that have mental illness or even
physical pain is hard to tell. She might have been
in a lot of physical pain with the traumatic brain
injury that she suffered as well, so you know, she
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might the reason she was under the influence might have
been because she was self medicating, you know, she just
didn't have And it sounds like she lived in a
very rural area of Kentucky as well, so the resources
there aren't the greatest in the world either, you know,
(48:58):
mental health and medical resources aren't the greatest in the world.
And a lot of rural areas like that, h.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Dogs like one of y'all gonna talk about this. Naomi
Novere Navar, I just posted it in Chat. It's Naomi
in A O M. I last name is Nvere Navar
(49:32):
in A V A R R E. That's her stage
name or how you want to.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Look at it.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
She's got she's she's all over Instagram, she's been in
some TV. She's been she's got an IBM I m
dB page.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
It's sad when you really start she was on the
Desert Project. It's just crazy when you say the transformation
is just.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
And that's another sad thing too. It seems if she
had all of that, and she had been working in
television and as an IMDb page and all of that,
she was probably a member of the Screen Actors Guild,
which means, you know, she should have had some sort
of medical benefits through that, you would think, unless, of course,
(50:43):
she just let all of that, you know, let her
card expire and let everything just kind of go because we,
i mean, we don't really know what was happening to
her even before the motorcycle accident when she was in California.
So you know, a lot of times, unfortunately, people slip
(51:05):
through the cracks and and fall into some parts of society,
you know, and fall into uh addiction, uh, things of
that nature. And uh in California, it's not hard to
become homeless. Uh. Set go ahead, Well.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
I'm looking I'm looking her up and the Naomi Nvar
that that that I found on her on an eye
the I N D B page looks to be a
totally different person.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
I wonder if she took that alias from this other person.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
That's possibility as well. You know, it's sounds like it's
it's kind of a mystery, uh as to uh what
was happening with her in California prior to and uh
maybe even after this motorcycle accident that she was in. Yeah,
(52:22):
so uh, you know, uh, they don't really say what
she was under the influence of when they uh, when
they apprehended her in Kentucky. But you know, it's so it's.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
See and this gets just gets deeper and deeper. From
Daily Mail. You there's an article about the secret ideitay
of a woman arrested for cooking her mother's dismembered body parts,
revealed to Mayfields.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Come on pop up saman in the World three flier
Slimmer read the freaking article.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
Tolina Mayfields, thirty two, was taken into custody last week
after Kentucky State police found the body of her sixty
eight year old mother, Trudy, playing in the backyard. She's
now accused of shooting her mother in the head, stabbing
her several times before decapitating, dismembering, eviscerating her mother's corpse,
and placing their heads, head, hands, feet, and forums in
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a pot in the oven until cooking until they were charged.
But the family members and friends say Torlina or Torri
grew up as a stereotypical country girl with loving parents.
They say her problems only started after she moved to
California to pursue a career as an after singer under
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the name of Name when You Vary. Olivia Brockfield's cousin
said she sees Torlina as this little girl with classic
blonde curls playing the piano. She was an amazing piano player,
noting that she grew up with chickens, horses in a
country girl bouncy blonde curls. On to graduate high school
(54:25):
in twenty eleven, was a member of the track and
field team the Family, Career and Community Leaders of America,
who was voted biggest flirt Let's see, Let's see Yeah,
(54:49):
Oh my gosh, man.
Speaker 4 (54:51):
She was just.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
She went to the She went to Moorhead State University,
where she met Brandon Ankle in English class. He said
he remembered his friend's friend is a fitness enthusiast who
was out going, funny and friendly. Just nothing really bothered her.
She was out going, energetic, tough, and funny. I wouldn't
say they were best friends forever, but close enough. When
(55:17):
you heard the news, he was a stunned. It's not
the persons he knew she was. She was studying criminal criminology,
and nobody ever picked up any red flags.
Speaker 4 (55:35):
We have to call it.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Yeah, I mean it makes it makes you wonder. Uh,
when she went to California, I mean there's there's a
lot of pressure out there to I guess you would say,
succeed uh in that kind of being in that kind
of business. Uh, there's so much competition, so that and yeah,
(56:01):
what kind of people did she get involved with when
she was in California as well? We don't we don't
really know that there's there's there's a lot of strange
and twisted people in the show business industry. We all
know that, right, So who knows what kind of influence
(56:22):
or whose influence she came under and what happened to
her after that? You said that she claimed it was
part of some sort of ritual magic that she was
trying to do text.
Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's supposedly the workers that she was
trying to cast spells on them the day before and
then evidently she killed her mother that night or the
next day, and then that's when the workers came back
and found her. This is interesting. She that the one
(56:56):
the ones, the one, the person I was looking at
on IMDb is her. She was in two films, Desert
Project and a Dance Story. In twenty nineteen, she had
one hundred and fifty four thousand followers on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (57:18):
Okay, yeah, I mean it's just.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
So I can't help but think that something happened to
her in California prior to the motorcycle accident, because you know,
you just you don't, you don't, I mean, your personality
can be drastically changed, but by something like that. But
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what was put into her into her head? Yeah, before
all of that happened to her.
Speaker 4 (58:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
Just the more I find out about this, it's just.
Speaker 4 (58:07):
Says they.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
Okay, So the guy, the worker that found the body
and foreign troopers that he had been at the property
day before and had seen both the victim and fields.
On October eighth, he said to Arlina was casting spells
on him in confrontational Police attained a search warrant entered
(58:34):
the home. After they were unable to contact Torlina. She
finally came out of hiding. She was covered in blood.
Thorough search of the property revealed a bloody mattress containing
multiple body parts and organs. Of course, they they found,
you know, the pot with all the body parts in it.
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Now the family is just the family is just flabbergast.
They have no idea what they're blaming. That they're blaming
the rest the motorcycle accident. And I can understand that,
I really can, because it seems that's when all this
took place.
Speaker 4 (59:20):
Changed.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
But I think, you know, we have to also consider
maybe some antecedents prior to because I mean, the motorcycle crash. Yes,
it can, it can change a person's personality to a
certain extent. But if she's if she's doing this whole
you know, cast and spells thing and all of that,
(59:45):
that tells me that she had some contact and and
I mean it doesn't sound to me like while she
was at university, while she was living with her family
in Kentucky, she was she was your basic you know,
like they said a down to earth country girl, nice, pleasant, intelligent, talented,
(01:00:07):
and she moves to California and gets into this motorcycle accident,
comes back a totally different person. Yes, the motorcycle accident
can change that person's personality. However, they're also going to
draw on things that they've experienced prior to that. Right,
(01:00:30):
So what kind of people did she fall into the
into when she was in California? Right? Right, that's you know,
that's just that's something that I'm wondering.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Yeah, I justin Retro movie Channel is asking if I
can drop the link he wants to come up. We're
not gonna do actually, we're at the end of the broadcast.
Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
But we do we do do that.
Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
We do have open panel discussions dropped the link in
certain shows. Those are usually on our on our late
night shows. So keep tuning in and and uh, you know,
watch for that and we'll be happy to have you. Brian.
We're gonna cut it off, brother, I appreciate you joining me,
and uh, y'all take care and we will see you
(01:01:25):
tonight on the Texas front Porch. Jen Eddie and Jen
from Eddie and Gin's blogs are joining us tonight. These
people are absolutely amazing, their their their their kids are amazing,
absolutely and the day loving to death. You see Cody
(01:01:46):
there once in a while in chat. Hopefully, hopefully the
boys will say hi to us tonight and I'm really
looking forward to it. So y'all don't miss it, because
they got a lot of paranormal expert answers, but there's
a little there's a little something special that that you
do not want to miss because this is this is
(01:02:09):
you're gonna get. You're gonna get to hear some really
special stories. But I thank you, thanks for everybody for
joining us. I'm sorry about the audio at the beginning
of it, but we got it worked out. And we're
gonna have Brian back for sure, because I want him
and Danielle to do a show together because I think
(01:02:31):
they can have some fascinating conversations and we're gonna make that. Yeah,
So y'all have a good one and we'll catch all
on the flip side.
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