December 3, 2024 • 52 mins
We explore the practice of baby farming and what it led to
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H I got nightmares in my head.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I say that the dosspelled up until I can't hear that.
My mind fills up into a creature and it haunts
me somewhere much.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Welcome to Infamous Minds. Good evening everybody. Me and the
Duchess Danielle Diva herself are back in the saddle again.
(01:01):
We have been we have been chasing our tails the
last several weeks. She's been doing shows and I'll do shows.
We can't our schedules and stuff. If not, let us
do this together, for it seems like forever, you know,
and I'm so happy to do that with you know,
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with my partner in crime here so to speak.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I want to say thank you text and thank you
everybody for you know, wonderful message as well. We had
a very heavy blizzard here and issues with the internet
issues some people. We had issues with the phone lines
Ontario and now it's coming to you guys, it's coming
to the New York, Boston, so it's going further. So
it's nice to you know, be back connected to the world.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
And we even.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Didn't have issues with our work so where we actually
have the netcare and things like that. The service were down.
But it's also very sometimes because you don't have access
to many things, so you have to go back and forth.
So I'm gonna say thank you everybody for being patient.
The weather stopped me, but I am back here and
(02:11):
there we go. Mike is saying, stair warm, Danielle kind
of Ontario just got hit huge. Yes, so they're expecting
over fifteen centimeters.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Of snow a little bit more above north of me.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So hopefully they're saying starting basically Thursday that temperature should
be back in plus. Today we were minus thirty, so
in minus twenty four with evential minus fifteen, so it depends.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
So I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's just you know, down here, you know, in the summer,
it's hot for us, and you know, and across you know,
the rest of the nation, y'all up there, y'all don't
see the heat and humidity that we do, but we
don't see the cold and freaking snow and stuff that
y'all deal with. I mean, a few years ago we
(03:08):
got what I mean, we hit sub zero temperatures for
a few days, and it basically throw Texas back into
the stone age.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I remember, I remember Lilanick, Lilanix sending me the messages,
and he's walking barefoot on the snow.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I'm like, go.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Put some socks, Go put some slippers. I don't want
you to slip or full down. We are used to it.
I'm not saying we are not used to it. But
we didn't have this kind of blizzard since nineteen ninety four.
I was in a high school then, so that tells
you that I'm only fifteen. So yeah, basically, we didn't
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have that kind of storm since nineteen ninety four, so
he was pretty bad. I'm hoping it won't come back.
But you know, there's not too much we can say
about that.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You know, by nineteen ninety four, I had already been
in and was almost out of the military, had been
married one had one kid, and was married my now
second wife by nineteen ninety four. And you're talking he
was in high school.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yeah, I was in high school.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I am, so I'm old enough. Part dust. That's just
you know, No you're not.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
No, no you're not. But you know, many people don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
But that's basically what it is. You know, when we
when you look at the weather, there's many things you
can do, but you cannot change the weather. Of course
you do have some machines like harp and you know,
modern technology that can affect you know, certain things, the
storm and the clouds, but random other nature wakes up.
(05:05):
I'm not sure that we can control it too much.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
No, and she makes up her mind to really turn
it on. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Think it's true. It's true. I totally respect what you say.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
So this subject today, and we're talking about a subject,
not a person so much. But I stumbled across this
subject by looking at a person, and what I found
out was just horrific. We're going to talk about baby farming.
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And it was a fairly common practice. Wasn't even illegal,
it was legal.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Tourian age, especially in England. Was very popular in England,
not so much in you know, it happened in New Zealand.
It happened I think all over the world, but New
Zealand and in the United States and England those were
the big ones. But England surpassed everybody because I mean,
it was very very popular there. But fortunately what it
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led into, it basically fed what we what we call
angel makers, which we're going to get into on a
later show. A couple of them in particular but and
you you had this, this is a topic that you
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have actually recently been introduced to. I kind of threw
you a curve battle on this one. I was proud
of myself because I don't get much over on. But
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approaching this from a clinical standpoint, Danielle, what do you think?
I mean, just the effects on society itself with this thing,
with this stuff going on, And I guess we should
describe what exactly it is before we get into it.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah, do you want me to say a little bit
about it or do you range? Did you tell to you?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Okay, I've I've been jabbering, so go ahead.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Oh that's so sweet, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
So in nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies, ladies and gentlemen,
it was very popular around Europe and even Australia and
New Zealand to do something that is called the baby farming.
So African children were actually privately fostered by the white families.
So many of these children were taken inside of these families.
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But now this is where the main key is coming.
It's for the money.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
So you will take this foster child, that infant, you
will take care of it.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
And basically, but you will get the money for it,
so you will still get paid for taking care of
the child. So it's almost like a babysitting if you
want to know about it. This is a historical practice
that's been happening for quite a while, so taking care
of the infant for exchange of a payment.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And one thing that many people don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Some farmers baby farmers didn't adopt these kids, and that
would be beautiful if every case did finish in that
kind of positive way, but many of these children abuse sold,
also used for prostitution, abuse, children trafficking, and the worst thing,
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many of them were murdered. And another thing, some of
these poor children were actually start to debt if you
didn't pay the bill, if you didn't have enough money
to pay the adoptive family.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
This kind of makes me very.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
If I can say, really stressed or thinking about something.
When I think about it, you know what kind of
human being you need to be that you're seeing an
infant dying from the dead because you didn't get the
pennies or whatever, pounds, dollars, dinars, whatever you know the
money is inside of the country, or the value that
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you know they're using for that payment. You know, especially
as a female. You know, womens are born to be
the different kind of instinct tex where we are really nurturing,
caring and loving. I'm not saying there's a many wonderful
eye personally. You know, many wonderful single fathers that are
taking beautiful care of their children, you know, so that
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means they're playing both roles. So I must say they're
doing fantastic job. But the one thing, you know, when
you see that most of the users inside of these
baby farming industry where the women, they were not the men.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Women were the one leading.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And there's thousands and thousands of the deaths all around
you know, the world when the baby farming was happening.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You know, it's it's like you were saying, it started
with you know, it kind of went hand in hand
with the slaves and that type of thing when it
started out, and then it then and then it expanded.
It got to where especially places like Whitechapel and where
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women just could not make a living and unless they
were ostituting themselves. I think that that that really fed
into this whole. I don't know what to call it.
I mean, it's almost like an epidemic. If you want
to call it that, because it got so widespread and
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so popular that the angel makers as they're called, were
able to take advantage of that. And basically what angel
makers are is what what Daniel was saying. It's they
would take these infants in, people would pay them, but
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then they would the babies would die in their mysterious
you know happens happenstances, and and you know, nine times
out of ten they would start to death or they'd
be poisoned or suffocated, that type of thing. These female
serial killers operated under the guys of these these these
women that would take in these these these babies, and
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it's but also you had the other side of it
where I don't know if you can, I guess you
could call them serial killers. But well, yeah, because you know,
when we talked about early on in one of our
shows that there's different motives for serial killers. It's some
of them are monetary, some of them are less driven,
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some of them are you know, gold driven and that
type of thing. But I think these were the monetary
goal uh uh driven serial killers because if they didn't
get their money, like you said, they just let the
baby start to death. You know, it got to the
point to where they pulled up out of the out
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of the river. They're in England. At one point they
pulled up seventy bodies of yes, and I mean it
was just crazy because mhm, they all had their different signature,
one that we'll talk about later in a different show,
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Amelia Dryer. It was to the point to where they
pulled up they started pulling up baby carcasses out of
the river and if it didn't have a certain the
ribbon colored ribbon tied on on the around the throat.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
She said, oh, that was that was her signature.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah, uh, that's that's that's her signature. Many people don't
know if I can, if I can add something when
it doesn't matter if it's a male or a female.
But when they're doing a piece of a cloak, you know,
collecting where they're getting a button, you know, a piece
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of hair skin, this is a signature and this is
basically their trophy and they usually collect that or this
is also the way to communicate with the psychotherapist, psychologists
like a psychology team, investigative team, and the police. When
they're actually sending these ribbons or you know, this.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Is their signature. This is my thing.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Nobody can do it, so they're actually proud of what
they're doing, just like.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
For example, you and I are proud today that we are.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Defending these innocent girls and children that they're victims. This
is how proud they are. They don't see nothing wrong
with it. This is their trophy and I'm.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Going to share it to the world.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
So it's quite twisted if you pay attention to it.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Absolutely. What do you think from a clinical standpoint, what
do you think? I have two questions for you. One,
of course, m for a mother or for a woman
to turn into this type of person, what do you
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think would trigger something like that? I mean, this is horrendous.
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I'll tell you something. Being in clinical studies for quite
a long time, I saw some of the worst cases
that you guys maybe see on the internet, that sometimes
you see on the TV and sometimes the like I
always say, the horror movies or the crime scenes are
put together.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I see shaking baby.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Syndrome where actually the child will stay brained that, I
see child beaten by the mother, by the mother tell
the eyes that pop out. I saw physical, mental and
sexual abuse on the children. The youngest one I ever
saw was four and a half months and uh many
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and you will be shocked. Uh texts prior to this
having this house. Uh, basically, what was happening? What was hello? Oh,
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what was happening? I was going that we were living
in a different and as I was was doing my nursing.
Uh one of the intensive care uh basically uh intensive
care patients that came in.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Uh uh oh, so what we're what we're looking at, folks,
is something just you know.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I apologize, I apologize.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
My son was crying, so I had to pull the
dog and everything away.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
So that's why.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
So basically, uh, that's why I run.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Uh the reason why.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
So the girl, I say, the mother who did that
shaking baby syndrome, saw me on the street as I
was leaving my basically apartment texts and I look at
her and she connected because at that time, she was
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going to be prosecuted in a couple of days, so
she was still free to walk around and she did
did the same with her boyfriend. I look at her
and I couldn't ever forget the look. She was so
angry at me while I was treating the baby that
she killed that will be brain dead for rest of
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the life. The child didn't live for quite a long
time because the hum atoma of the brain means the
bleeding of the brain at the end, she took the child,
the baby, in fact, and she hid it over the
edge of the table. And that's why, so shake it,
shake it, and then she and many people don't understand.
But basically a lots of times it takes a long
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time to break those willow ones. It's not just you know, okay,
I'm gonna shake them. No, it takes a force, it
takes anger, and it takes a heavy psychopath or sociopath
to do something like that. The reason why I'm mentioning this,
I can tell you that even if you're in twenty
first century, crimes like that didn't disappear.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
We still see them.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Unfortunately, So when you're saying, how come the mother, especially
the mother, the female can do something like that. Unfortunately,
when the woman turns to the monster, she can be
worse monster than a man. This is by the clinical studies,
especially if they have obsession, revenge and the jealousy, that's
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when actually, you know, everything goes over the roof. In
the case that you are talking about particular lady, that
we can maybe continue the next next point of it.
Like on the second Infamous Mind, she comes from a
very poor domestic family. There was lots of domestic abuse,
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there was no money, there was no poverty. There was
lots of poverty forgive me, uh, there was hener greed
for control, greed for happiness. So that's what was her trophy.
Her trophy was the money. She was also a psychopath herself,
and if you study also her byography when we discussed
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that on the next show, you will see she's a
total psychopath. There's no emotions, there's no there was lots
of manic, depressive episodes there when I read her a
little bit about her profiling so illness, environment being raised
in an appropriate way, and greed for power and the money.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
So what what do you think the long term effects
on society as a whole after experiencing this, and I
mean after it really got out, you know, on what
was really going on, because everybody turned a blind eye
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to it for a long time. And but when it's
when it finally got out, what was happening to so
many children out there? How do you think it affected
not just society but the mothers that had given up
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these children. I mean, it had the guilt.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
There's a huge of course, I love the question that
you're bringing up, because I was actually going to discuss
that as we talked a little bit later.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
But I'll tell you something.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Each time when you speak to somebody that did give
the child away, not because they wanted to give a
child away, but because they're forced by let's say environment,
by warhnger, you know, issues with finances and etc. Race, religion,
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it's actually lots of guilt. This is not happening because
you know, I want this child to have a better
life and I'm going to move away. First of all,
we must understand that there's a huge issue here with
racism at that time that was happening. So they felt degraded,
They felt taken, you know, like a piece of their
heart has been taken away from them. And the reason
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why I'm telling you I read some of the files
and one of the young ladies that she said she
was like a maid and they would do prostitution to
survive and then child had to be given. You know,
when she found out that one of the children that
was dead was actually infant that she gave away, she
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said that she fell into the pieces. Some of them
hanged themselves, some of them end up being you know,
going into the wrong path. Some of them turned around
to deeper prostitution because they feel guilt, guilt of not
being something that you should be by nature, and that
it's being a mother. So this right to be a
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mother and raise your child was ripped away from them.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
The guilt and the burden the child is taken.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
It's already there and then you have something that is horrible,
and it's bearing your own child.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Not one mother should go through something like that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It doesn't matter what race, what religion, what class, or
whatever they are. So the truth that is, when we
think about that, society is still far away.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
As much as we try to.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Fight human trafficking and the child trafficking, it's happening every day,
even at this moment as we speak.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Unfortunately, So there hole.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yes, Downs made a comment and it's and it's something
we were going to touch on it. We talked about
it off air. It's still happening today and Brian fought.
Brian followed up with, you know, can't help but think
somewhere human traffickers have another type of baby farming happening,
black market adoptions exactly. It still goes on today. I
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don't think it's not near as prevalent because I mean
it was legal back.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Then, yes, you know, I mean it was very legal.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
You know what, at least we were smart enough to
make it illegal.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
But you know, and you were touching that goes on. Yeah,
I was touching a little bit of that.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Yesterday on my show on my channel and World big
Foot centrally saying three hundred thousand migrant children inside of
the country accounted for.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
I must say this to everybody.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I'm not a politician, and you guys know that I'm
proud to be Canadian. I'm proud of my background European heritage.
But there's something you should enter every country legally, and
when you enter that country legally, the opportunities to live
and to blossom in side of that country, of course,
will be fantastic. If you're doing that in an legal way,
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of course, you will turn to sodo mangomera and end
up in a wrong path. And unfortunately that's why many
like you know big food to say, many children that
are accounted for are also coming from the immigrants now
in twenty first century that are entering other countries with
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being legal and at the end, you know, they end
up being being traffic used and abused for et cetera.
And it doesn't matter what color, what race you are.
You know, when somebody is doing a child trafficking, you
must understand they don't see that child as a text
as a basically a child. They see it as a
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basically golden pot. And yes, Mike, I agree, Vancouver is
one of the worst places for human trafficking. We also
do have something there that we called we don't call it.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Vancouver, we call it Hongo Vancouver UH.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And then we have a huge issue there of the
Asian UH basically from China, from Hong Kong that will
involve young children, prostitution, everything, and a huge issue with
drugs is there.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
So unfortunately it's happening even today.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, you know, and we've touched on the human trafficking
aspects of things in the past because yes, there I
don't know how else to put it, but there's there's
still a lot of evil in this world, you know,
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and it's it's not getting better, folks. We we I
think we had a time where well I guess, I know,
I don't guess we did because I don't think we've
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I want to say there was a time maybe a
few decades where you know, we had a boost in
our morals and everything, but you start thinking, if you
break it down by decade, I don't think it had
anything to do with our morals being any better. I
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think it was just lack of communication and the stuff
didn't get out like in the fifties and stuff like that.
We didn't have the communication worldwide communication that we do,
so we didn't hear as much about it. Not to
mention that in that era specifically, when when we first
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started seeing the popularity of the TV and everything, and
when we started getting communication, whatever the news told you,
people believed without question because we were supposed to trust
the news and they were supposed to be gin us
the truth. And back then you had what is jokingly
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called to is the morality police for the networks and
stuff like that that oversaw that stuff and they would
not allow this stuff to get out. So we were,
as I know, in the United States specifically, we were pampered.
(28:54):
I guess we were not pampered. We were we were
not given what was actually going on. Okay, they didn't
want to. They didn't think. I don't. I don't think
they thought we could handle what was actually going on
in the world, and they wouldn't tell us a lot
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of the stuff.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
It was very m hm, leave it to Beaver style.
That's what they wanted to put forward. They wanted to
put forth the good American home and the good American family,
and that was just exact opposite a lot what was
going on behind closed doors. But now everything's out there.
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I h I don't know. I'm just it's horrible. The
more the more I got into this, the darker it got,
you know, after you know, you start going down rabbit
holes with this, with this topic, and it's just it
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takes you to a very dark place. It really does.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And you know the reason why I share you guys
can see and say tea time with Duchess Daniel Diva.
I actually did talk about apocalypse and end of the
Times yesterday if you guys want to subscribe or check
it out. But there's a lot there. It's not just
about apocalypse. I'm talking about the human trafficing, about sodom angomera,
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about the darkness and everything that they're going through right now.
It's actually connecting to what we are talking right now.
One thing texts that we need to understand that people
don't know that this darkness that is happening in England
and the UK and you know New Zealand and Australia,
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it's still happening even at this moment, all around the world.
And they're saying that most of those body infants were
not even found and they don't even know the count.
To God forbid, we must understand that, you know the truth,
what is some people, Uh, we're having lots of money,
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so they hid. Some people went to a different country.
You know, some people just pretended they don't know. So
there's a lots of things there that went under the carpet.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Some people were executed for it, what I totally agree with.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
But you know, these are not just baby farms, because
you know, these kids are babysit for the money. This
is something that was a business, uh, and was a
business of also destroying and killing the infants, and most
of the time you get paid for it. And we
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must understand also that at that time, racism was a
huge issue. And when racism and religion gets to divide
the people, that's when the hugest problem that's happened. Like
I've been inside of the communism. I've been inside of
the where religion plays the part where people fight between it.
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You guys won't believe the people are not people anymore.
Text they turn into the beasts. So I understand what's
happening here. And you know when you're mentioning this lady.
For example, Margaret Waters was executed in eighteen seventy and
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Amelia dial in eighteen ninety six, where two infamous British
baby farmers who were hanged for their atrocities, for everything
that they did. And I think they deserve that, but
you know they didn't even kill them. You know, they
would leave them to die. They will give the poison mixtures.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
It's quite quite crazy. And then.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
The last baby farmer was killed in nineteen oh seven,
Rhoda Wills, who was hanged in Wales.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
There's a lots of So if we're thinking about that time,
we can say the dark web is a master of something.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Today what was happening at the past.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
So dark Web and baby farming something that we can
put an equal, you know, at equal side, just in
a different centuries.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, because I mean back then it was advertised in papers.
That's how they found each other. Yes, you know, and
you could post flyers across, you know, through the city. Okay,
I'll take in you know, I'll take in your baby
and for ten pounds, and then the baby would if
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you came back to check on them. More times than not,
it was dead, you know, or missing.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
And a lot of times.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
You must understand, this is a great, great opportunity for many, uh,
people that have mental illnesses that are pedophilia uh, you know, patients,
or they have issues abusing the children.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
And you must understand that many of these women that
they're giving the children were actually forced to it. So
they didn't do it because they wanted. They were forced.
They didn't have an option. So that's what it is saddest.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah, because I mean you had women that were that
couldn't they couldn't even feed themselves much less, and most
of time didn't even have I didn't have steady a
steady roof over their head. And then they you know,
they prostitute themselves because that's the only way they could
make money. And because it was a very misogynistic society. Yeah,
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you know, women didn't have any rights whatsoever. They were
almost looked down on, second class, second class citizens, if
people at all. You know, that's not that's not even considered.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Text women.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Exactly because when I was reading the file, uh, there's
also they were talking about, you know, girls that were maids,
girls that may be made accidental full in love and
they stay accidentally pregnant. Also, you know people that were
like you saying, the second class citizens. So it wasn't
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just the African American or African European babies. There were
babies that were coming all different races, of course mostly
from the black race.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
But you know, it's quite sad, and you think about that.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
We are thinking sometimes okay, you know we are past that,
but we are far away from passing that. The the
other day, I must say, last winter, I was talking
to one of the girls that I know from the
other agency and then she was like, oh, Daniel, I'm
going to the meeting.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
So I said what kind of meeting. She goes like, oh,
they're so and so girls that are being traffic.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Here in Edmonton. I said how many? When she said
the number, I was quite being shocked. And the reason
why I was being shot. Not that I don't believe her.
It's just you know, Edmonton, for example. It's not New York,
it's not you know, Chicago. It's a small city at
the north, you know. But then when I heard that,
(37:14):
I was quite shocked. She goes like, oh, yeah, it
happens in front of our noses. And many times people
don't even want to pay attention because I got in Walda,
I don't care, you know.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
So it happens every every day.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
So slavery does exist even today, unfortunately, I.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Must say that, and it's running. It's running.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
You have the working slavery, you have immigration slavery, you
have sex slavery, abuse of the children, domestic abuse.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
The list goes on.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
And you know what makes me very very sad that
we didn't learn so much from the past. For example,
they when they did execute them on texts, I'm sure
you probably didn't know they execute together. And that was
like a modern way at that time, modern society to
(38:06):
shock the world, to give them the shock treatment. But
I don't think that the short rest of the world,
because unfortunately we do have dark web, Unfortunately, we do
have pedophiles. Fortunately, we do have you know, domestic violence, abuse,
children being sold and you know, abused every day. Sometimes,
(38:28):
you know, with people that I work with, they say,
there's so many little of children advocate and disabled or
mentally disabled advocate people.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
And I'm proud to be one of them. And the
reason why.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Because yeah, maybe there's not so many of us, but
we try to make a difference because many people say,
I don't care, you know, and I'm not going to
get involved because you know, it's not my business, but
I think it's everybody's business because you never know who.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Can be.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I absolutely agree, and we we've talked about so many
cases where when we did talk about the whole circle
of violence. If y'all haven't seen that show, it's a
good one that one of the biggest problems is people
(39:22):
not wanting to get involved, people turning a blind eye,
people thinking that, oh, it just happened once, it's going
to get better. It does not get better. It only
escalates and gets worse. It's the same thing with this Yes,
the more we turn a blind eye to it, the
more we don't want to get involved because it is
horrific and we just don't want to hear about it.
(39:44):
And that's understandable. Don't. You don't want to hear about
this stuff. And that's why we, you know, me and
daniel tell you. If you're not comfortable, you know, even
hearing about this stuff, don't dig into it because it
will take you to a dark place. Let us do
that and tell you because I guarantee you we don't
even scratch the surface on these topics that we're talking
(40:05):
about on these shows. Because if you if we got
real deep into this stuff, it's very very dark and
very very evil, and it's hard to shake. It can
be very hard to shake once you get into it.
(40:27):
So you know, you know, it's it's like you said, Danielle,
it's going on now. Everything we talked about, slavery, baby farming,
trafficking of all kinds, it's going on now.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Yeah, all over and the worst thing what is it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:50):
You know like I'm seeing ah when I open certain files.
I don't even talk to my family about it because
of the kofncial and also don't talk because they are not.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Prepared for that. It took me sometimes.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
When I read through the files and I see what
is happening with that child or that patient, residental, whatever
you want to call it, I have to say that
I did my best to help them at that time,
give all the support that I need, reported and whatever,
and I have to back off. I'm not saying that
(41:31):
sometimes I don't think about it, or maybe I could
do the things definitely to help this person. But it
doesn't matter how much you are trained. There is cases
that you will always think about, like like I'm saying,
or that you thought, you know, maybe if this was
done this way, maybe it would be better this way.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
So it's not always that easy.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
And you know, and especially when you see that kind
of abuse or if you talking about you know here
baby farming, I honestly say the way even these children
are killed, you know, many of them, like you're saying,
are poisoned. Today, you know, most of the time because
with autopsy and with you know, basically pathology and everything,
(42:15):
we are capable off solving the problems. But a lot
of times at that time, there's many times that you know,
things would go undetected. And the reason why because science
wasn't you know, so developed. And then another thing, who
would look for a child of a prostitute, She's nothing,
a nobody who will look a child of that black
(42:36):
lady she's nothing, nobody. That maid is just a maid
or who cares. So it's the same way here and
mentioning the number of the of the children that we
are talking about, you know, it breaks my heart in
one way because we are still far away from protecting
(42:58):
the most vulnerable and those are the children. And when
you think about the children, go like, oh my god,
is it possible that you know, we are not even
touching like you're saying the scratch on it. But and
even you know with these ladies, like you're saying, the
baby farming, it didn't stop.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
We had a huge issues here in Canada.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Where the children were Aboriginal children were taken from their
families and given to the UK families or the white
families to raise them. So they would reprogram these kids.
They would cut their hairs, e raise their basically language,
raised their memories. Many of you were sexual and physically
abused inside of these basically so called residential schools. At
(43:45):
the end, the end up to be genocide, what I
totally agree with.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
So and that.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Happened almost till ninety two, so that was almost toald yesterday. Yeah,
that was the last that as residential school schools were
closed in nineteen nineties where the children were taken away,
(44:16):
severely abused, many killed, like you're saying, farmed reprogrammed.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
And many of them died.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
So it's quite crazy. But that's why, ladies and gentlemen,
when you see this show, I always say, it's not
about the number of the viewers. We love that you
guys are sharing and subscribing. It's about the message that
we're sharing and that totally different heart influence that we
(44:47):
want to give, and that's to touch each and every
one of you, to make a difference. And you know,
baby Farming unfortunately it's helped depending given today.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Well if we look back in history, and this is
how ignorant that I mean, we think the politicians are
out of touch with us now, but this is how
ignorant they were in eighteen thirty four. The Poor Law
(45:29):
Amendment Act in eighteen thirty four denied the poor to
the right the poor. It denied the poor the right
to subsistence. So in particular, single mothers were the course
to work in prison like workhouses. It basically what it
(45:49):
amounted to, it made it illegal to be poor. What
I mean, what did they think they were going to
fix with this. I don't think they I don't. I
don't and I don't really don't think that there was
anything that they were thought they were going to fix.
I think that I think it was a way to
(46:14):
eliminate poor people. Yeah, the stuff that was just it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
You know, I mean, it is, it's very Uh, yes.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
I don't know. I know. You had, like we were
talking about, there were several baby farmers that were tried
and and and hung promoter from murder and manslaughter or
criminal criminal neglect. You had Margaret Waters a million DIYer,
which is the big one that we were you know,
(46:59):
we've been talking them out. Yes, but you had a
moment of Amelia sack An, Annie Walters and the one
you mentioned the last one was Ronda Willis. Yes, but
these are the ones where when they pulled up the
(47:20):
victims of they were trying to find the victims of
Amelia Dryer dire that she was identifying the ones that
had a certain color ribbon around her neck their neck
because she would one of the ways, one of her
favorite ways to dispose of these children was horrific, was
(47:41):
to tie ribbons just tight enough around their neck where
they would slowly you know suffocates would watch them.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
How six years that told you how severely ment tally
ill she is. That tells you that immediately, will tell
you that she's suffering from huge she's the effective disorder,
manic depressive, severe psychopath with no connection with uh, you know,
(48:17):
any any any pain that she's feeling, any remorse, anything,
because any guilt. She's a severe cold psychopath. That it's
born mentally ill.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, it's I don't know. It's it's sad, it really is.
I don't know. I would like to think that it's
been on the cline, but I don't know what it has.
(48:54):
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
And you know, texts, when you think about her and
the way you're describing that she was doing these murders
and that she's enjoying that she's preparing, so she's actually
preparing how she's gonna kill this innocent child, it's also
telling us that you know, she's doing this for her
own enjoyment. So what she's doing, she's enjoying what she's doing.
(49:21):
She's doing these bloody, horrible crimes to actually complete her
mental needs. And even if they're wrong, but this is
fulfilling her needs. That's telling you how mentally ill and
very disturbed.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
This woman was, you know, quite horrible.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Well, folks, I want to give Danielle a few minutes,
but get ready for her show. So we're gonna go
ahead and wrap this up for today, and because you
don't want to miss her, and you and Donnie right
on your show following this one.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
Yes, it's me and Johnny. Yeah, we're gonna go through
many different subjects.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
That will be interesting cool.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Don't forget, folks. We've got our conference coming up in September.
Our whole dysunctional family is going to be there, the
whole island of misfit toys. It's the Crossing Realms Conference
in Richmond. I want to say Virginia every time I
say Richmond. It's in Richmond, Missouri, September nineteenth and twentieth.
(50:36):
You got Danielle and Donnie cho up next. And then
at eight o'clock, Christina Gomez is going to join us
on the porch, Me and Brandy on the porch and
we're gonna be talking about some UFOs for the first
hour and in the second hour. Brent Thomas apparento Portal Portal.
I'm' trying to say it right for you. Brent Portal
(50:57):
is going to be with us for the second hour
of the Front Porch, so y'all, y'all stay tuned just
you know, the show's gonna pop up and you get
to see more of the beautiful Danielle and precious.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Oh yes, I miss him too, And I want to
say thank you again Text for all of your support
and always being there, you know, for me, and thank
you everybody for sending the messes saying what was wrong
it's the better. And also, you know, stay tuned for
our shows and the next week we're gonna continue going
(51:33):
deeper into this crime and we're gonna connect it to
today's society and we may even sure some of the basic,
you know, things that are happening today in the world,
so you never know, stay with us for the entire
evening and join us next time on the Infamous Minds
because it will be very, very hot and boiling in here.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Thank you everybody, We'll see you later.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Good night,
H I got nightmares in my head.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I say that the dosspelled up until I can't hear that.
My mind fills up into a creature and it haunts
me somewhere much.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Welcome to Infamous Minds. Good evening everybody. Me and the
Duchess Danielle Diva herself are back in the saddle again.
(01:01):
We have been we have been chasing our tails the
last several weeks. She's been doing shows and I'll do shows.
We can't our schedules and stuff. If not, let us
do this together, for it seems like forever, you know,
and I'm so happy to do that with you know,
(01:21):
with my partner in crime here so to speak.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I want to say thank you text and thank you
everybody for you know, wonderful message as well. We had
a very heavy blizzard here and issues with the internet
issues some people. We had issues with the phone lines
Ontario and now it's coming to you guys, it's coming
to the New York, Boston, so it's going further. So
it's nice to you know, be back connected to the world.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
And we even.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Didn't have issues with our work so where we actually
have the netcare and things like that. The service were down.
But it's also very sometimes because you don't have access
to many things, so you have to go back and forth.
So I'm gonna say thank you everybody for being patient.
The weather stopped me, but I am back here and
(02:11):
there we go. Mike is saying, stair warm, Danielle kind
of Ontario just got hit huge. Yes, so they're expecting
over fifteen centimeters.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Of snow a little bit more above north of me.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So hopefully they're saying starting basically Thursday that temperature should
be back in plus. Today we were minus thirty, so
in minus twenty four with evential minus fifteen, so it depends.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
So I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's just you know, down here, you know, in the summer,
it's hot for us, and you know, and across you know,
the rest of the nation, y'all up there, y'all don't
see the heat and humidity that we do, but we
don't see the cold and freaking snow and stuff that
y'all deal with. I mean, a few years ago we
(03:08):
got what I mean, we hit sub zero temperatures for
a few days, and it basically throw Texas back into
the stone age.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I remember, I remember Lilanick, Lilanix sending me the messages,
and he's walking barefoot on the snow.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I'm like, go.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
Put some socks, Go put some slippers. I don't want
you to slip or full down. We are used to it.
I'm not saying we are not used to it. But
we didn't have this kind of blizzard since nineteen ninety four.
I was in a high school then, so that tells
you that I'm only fifteen. So yeah, basically, we didn't
(03:56):
have that kind of storm since nineteen ninety four, so
he was pretty bad. I'm hoping it won't come back.
But you know, there's not too much we can say
about that.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You know, by nineteen ninety four, I had already been
in and was almost out of the military, had been
married one had one kid, and was married my now
second wife by nineteen ninety four. And you're talking he
was in high school.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yeah, I was in high school.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I am, so I'm old enough. Part dust. That's just
you know, No you're not.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
No, no you're not. But you know, many people don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
But that's basically what it is. You know, when we
when you look at the weather, there's many things you
can do, but you cannot change the weather. Of course
you do have some machines like harp and you know,
modern technology that can affect you know, certain things, the
storm and the clouds, but random other nature wakes up.
(05:05):
I'm not sure that we can control it too much.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
No, and she makes up her mind to really turn
it on. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Think it's true. It's true. I totally respect what you say.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
So this subject today, and we're talking about a subject,
not a person so much. But I stumbled across this
subject by looking at a person, and what I found
out was just horrific. We're going to talk about baby farming.
(05:41):
And it was a fairly common practice. Wasn't even illegal,
it was legal.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Tourian age, especially in England. Was very popular in England,
not so much in you know, it happened in New Zealand.
It happened I think all over the world, but New
Zealand and in the United States and England those were
the big ones. But England surpassed everybody because I mean,
it was very very popular there. But fortunately what it
(06:18):
led into, it basically fed what we what we call
angel makers, which we're going to get into on a
later show. A couple of them in particular but and
you you had this, this is a topic that you
(06:40):
have actually recently been introduced to. I kind of threw
you a curve battle on this one. I was proud
of myself because I don't get much over on. But
(07:02):
approaching this from a clinical standpoint, Danielle, what do you think?
I mean, just the effects on society itself with this thing,
with this stuff going on, And I guess we should
describe what exactly it is before we get into it.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah, do you want me to say a little bit
about it or do you range? Did you tell to you?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Okay, I've I've been jabbering, so go ahead.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Oh that's so sweet, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
So in nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies, ladies and gentlemen,
it was very popular around Europe and even Australia and
New Zealand to do something that is called the baby farming.
So African children were actually privately fostered by the white families.
So many of these children were taken inside of these families.
(07:58):
But now this is where the main key is coming.
It's for the money.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
So you will take this foster child, that infant, you
will take care of it.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
And basically, but you will get the money for it,
so you will still get paid for taking care of
the child. So it's almost like a babysitting if you
want to know about it. This is a historical practice
that's been happening for quite a while, so taking care
of the infant for exchange of a payment.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
And one thing that many people don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Some farmers baby farmers didn't adopt these kids, and that
would be beautiful if every case did finish in that
kind of positive way, but many of these children abuse sold,
also used for prostitution, abuse, children trafficking, and the worst thing,
(08:52):
many of them were murdered. And another thing, some of
these poor children were actually start to debt if you
didn't pay the bill, if you didn't have enough money
to pay the adoptive family.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
This kind of makes me very.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
If I can say, really stressed or thinking about something.
When I think about it, you know what kind of
human being you need to be that you're seeing an
infant dying from the dead because you didn't get the
pennies or whatever, pounds, dollars, dinars, whatever you know the
money is inside of the country, or the value that
(09:34):
you know they're using for that payment. You know, especially
as a female. You know, womens are born to be
the different kind of instinct tex where we are really nurturing,
caring and loving. I'm not saying there's a many wonderful
eye personally. You know, many wonderful single fathers that are
taking beautiful care of their children, you know, so that
(09:56):
means they're playing both roles. So I must say they're
doing fantastic job. But the one thing, you know, when
you see that most of the users inside of these
baby farming industry where the women, they were not the men.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Women were the one leading.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
And there's thousands and thousands of the deaths all around
you know, the world when the baby farming was happening.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You know, it's it's like you were saying, it started
with you know, it kind of went hand in hand
with the slaves and that type of thing when it
started out, and then it then and then it expanded.
It got to where especially places like Whitechapel and where
(10:53):
women just could not make a living and unless they
were ostituting themselves. I think that that that really fed
into this whole. I don't know what to call it.
I mean, it's almost like an epidemic. If you want
to call it that, because it got so widespread and
(11:16):
so popular that the angel makers as they're called, were
able to take advantage of that. And basically what angel
makers are is what what Daniel was saying. It's they
would take these infants in, people would pay them, but
(11:41):
then they would the babies would die in their mysterious
you know happens happenstances, and and you know, nine times
out of ten they would start to death or they'd
be poisoned or suffocated, that type of thing. These female
serial killers operated under the guys of these these these
women that would take in these these these babies, and
(12:07):
it's but also you had the other side of it
where I don't know if you can, I guess you
could call them serial killers. But well, yeah, because you know,
when we talked about early on in one of our
shows that there's different motives for serial killers. It's some
of them are monetary, some of them are less driven,
(12:27):
some of them are you know, gold driven and that
type of thing. But I think these were the monetary
goal uh uh driven serial killers because if they didn't
get their money, like you said, they just let the
baby start to death. You know, it got to the
point to where they pulled up out of the out
(12:50):
of the river. They're in England. At one point they
pulled up seventy bodies of yes, and I mean it
was just crazy because mhm, they all had their different signature,
one that we'll talk about later in a different show,
(13:16):
Amelia Dryer. It was to the point to where they
pulled up they started pulling up baby carcasses out of
the river and if it didn't have a certain the
ribbon colored ribbon tied on on the around the throat.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
She said, oh, that was that was her signature.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah, uh, that's that's that's her signature. Many people don't
know if I can, if I can add something when
it doesn't matter if it's a male or a female.
But when they're doing a piece of a cloak, you know,
collecting where they're getting a button, you know, a piece
(13:59):
of hair skin, this is a signature and this is
basically their trophy and they usually collect that or this
is also the way to communicate with the psychotherapist, psychologists
like a psychology team, investigative team, and the police. When
they're actually sending these ribbons or you know, this.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Is their signature. This is my thing.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Nobody can do it, so they're actually proud of what
they're doing, just like.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
For example, you and I are proud today that we are.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Defending these innocent girls and children that they're victims. This
is how proud they are. They don't see nothing wrong
with it. This is their trophy and I'm.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Going to share it to the world.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
So it's quite twisted if you pay attention to it.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Absolutely. What do you think from a clinical standpoint, what
do you think? I have two questions for you. One,
of course, m for a mother or for a woman
to turn into this type of person, what do you
(15:10):
think would trigger something like that? I mean, this is horrendous.
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I'll tell you something. Being in clinical studies for quite
a long time, I saw some of the worst cases
that you guys maybe see on the internet, that sometimes
you see on the TV and sometimes the like I
always say, the horror movies or the crime scenes are
put together.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
I see shaking baby.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Syndrome where actually the child will stay brained that, I
see child beaten by the mother, by the mother tell
the eyes that pop out. I saw physical, mental and
sexual abuse on the children. The youngest one I ever
saw was four and a half months and uh many
(16:04):
and you will be shocked. Uh texts prior to this
having this house. Uh, basically, what was happening? What was hello? Oh,
(16:26):
what was happening? I was going that we were living
in a different and as I was was doing my nursing.
Uh one of the intensive care uh basically uh intensive
care patients that came in.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Uh uh oh, so what we're what we're looking at, folks,
is something just you know.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I apologize, I apologize.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
My son was crying, so I had to pull the
dog and everything away.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
So that's why.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
So basically, uh, that's why I run.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Uh the reason why.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
So the girl, I say, the mother who did that
shaking baby syndrome, saw me on the street as I
was leaving my basically apartment texts and I look at
her and she connected because at that time, she was
(17:45):
going to be prosecuted in a couple of days, so
she was still free to walk around and she did
did the same with her boyfriend. I look at her
and I couldn't ever forget the look. She was so
angry at me while I was treating the baby that
she killed that will be brain dead for rest of
(18:05):
the life. The child didn't live for quite a long
time because the hum atoma of the brain means the
bleeding of the brain at the end, she took the child,
the baby, in fact, and she hid it over the
edge of the table. And that's why, so shake it,
shake it, and then she and many people don't understand.
But basically a lots of times it takes a long
(18:29):
time to break those willow ones. It's not just you know, okay,
I'm gonna shake them. No, it takes a force, it
takes anger, and it takes a heavy psychopath or sociopath
to do something like that. The reason why I'm mentioning this,
I can tell you that even if you're in twenty
first century, crimes like that didn't disappear.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
We still see them.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Unfortunately, So when you're saying, how come the mother, especially
the mother, the female can do something like that. Unfortunately,
when the woman turns to the monster, she can be
worse monster than a man. This is by the clinical studies,
especially if they have obsession, revenge and the jealousy, that's
(19:14):
when actually, you know, everything goes over the roof. In
the case that you are talking about particular lady, that
we can maybe continue the next next point of it.
Like on the second Infamous Mind, she comes from a
very poor domestic family. There was lots of domestic abuse,
(19:38):
there was no money, there was no poverty. There was
lots of poverty forgive me, uh, there was hener greed
for control, greed for happiness. So that's what was her trophy.
Her trophy was the money. She was also a psychopath herself,
and if you study also her byography when we discussed
(20:01):
that on the next show, you will see she's a
total psychopath. There's no emotions, there's no there was lots
of manic, depressive episodes there when I read her a
little bit about her profiling so illness, environment being raised
in an appropriate way, and greed for power and the money.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
So what what do you think the long term effects
on society as a whole after experiencing this, and I
mean after it really got out, you know, on what
was really going on, because everybody turned a blind eye
(20:48):
to it for a long time. And but when it's
when it finally got out, what was happening to so
many children out there? How do you think it affected
not just society but the mothers that had given up
(21:09):
these children. I mean, it had the guilt.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
There's a huge of course, I love the question that
you're bringing up, because I was actually going to discuss
that as we talked a little bit later.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
But I'll tell you something.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Each time when you speak to somebody that did give
the child away, not because they wanted to give a
child away, but because they're forced by let's say environment,
by warhnger, you know, issues with finances and etc. Race, religion,
(21:49):
it's actually lots of guilt. This is not happening because
you know, I want this child to have a better
life and I'm going to move away. First of all,
we must understand that there's a huge issue here with
racism at that time that was happening. So they felt degraded,
They felt taken, you know, like a piece of their
heart has been taken away from them. And the reason
(22:11):
why I'm telling you I read some of the files
and one of the young ladies that she said she
was like a maid and they would do prostitution to
survive and then child had to be given. You know,
when she found out that one of the children that
was dead was actually infant that she gave away, she
(22:34):
said that she fell into the pieces. Some of them
hanged themselves, some of them end up being you know,
going into the wrong path. Some of them turned around
to deeper prostitution because they feel guilt, guilt of not
being something that you should be by nature, and that
it's being a mother. So this right to be a
(22:57):
mother and raise your child was ripped away from them.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
The guilt and the burden the child is taken.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
It's already there and then you have something that is horrible,
and it's bearing your own child.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Not one mother should go through something like that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
It doesn't matter what race, what religion, what class, or
whatever they are. So the truth that is, when we
think about that, society is still far away.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
As much as we try to.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Fight human trafficking and the child trafficking, it's happening every day,
even at this moment as we speak.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Unfortunately, So there hole.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yes, Downs made a comment and it's and it's something
we were going to touch on it. We talked about
it off air. It's still happening today and Brian fought.
Brian followed up with, you know, can't help but think
somewhere human traffickers have another type of baby farming happening,
black market adoptions exactly. It still goes on today. I
(24:05):
don't think it's not near as prevalent because I mean
it was legal back.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Then, yes, you know, I mean it was very legal.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
You know what, at least we were smart enough to
make it illegal.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
But you know, and you were touching that goes on. Yeah,
I was touching a little bit of that.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Yesterday on my show on my channel and World big
Foot centrally saying three hundred thousand migrant children inside of
the country accounted for.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
I must say this to everybody.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
I'm not a politician, and you guys know that I'm
proud to be Canadian. I'm proud of my background European heritage.
But there's something you should enter every country legally, and
when you enter that country legally, the opportunities to live
and to blossom in side of that country, of course,
will be fantastic. If you're doing that in an legal way,
(25:06):
of course, you will turn to sodo mangomera and end
up in a wrong path. And unfortunately that's why many
like you know big food to say, many children that
are accounted for are also coming from the immigrants now
in twenty first century that are entering other countries with
(25:29):
being legal and at the end, you know, they end
up being being traffic used and abused for et cetera.
And it doesn't matter what color, what race you are.
You know, when somebody is doing a child trafficking, you
must understand they don't see that child as a text
as a basically a child. They see it as a
(25:50):
basically golden pot. And yes, Mike, I agree, Vancouver is
one of the worst places for human trafficking. We also
do have something there that we called we don't call it.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
Vancouver, we call it Hongo Vancouver UH.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
And then we have a huge issue there of the
Asian UH basically from China, from Hong Kong that will
involve young children, prostitution, everything, and a huge issue with
drugs is there.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
So unfortunately it's happening even today.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, you know, and we've touched on the human trafficking
aspects of things in the past because yes, there I
don't know how else to put it, but there's there's
still a lot of evil in this world, you know,
(26:48):
and it's it's not getting better, folks. We we I
think we had a time where well I guess, I know,
I don't guess we did because I don't think we've
(27:14):
I want to say there was a time maybe a
few decades where you know, we had a boost in
our morals and everything, but you start thinking, if you
break it down by decade, I don't think it had
anything to do with our morals being any better. I
(27:38):
think it was just lack of communication and the stuff
didn't get out like in the fifties and stuff like that.
We didn't have the communication worldwide communication that we do,
so we didn't hear as much about it. Not to
mention that in that era specifically, when when we first
(28:01):
started seeing the popularity of the TV and everything, and
when we started getting communication, whatever the news told you,
people believed without question because we were supposed to trust
the news and they were supposed to be gin us
the truth. And back then you had what is jokingly
(28:24):
called to is the morality police for the networks and
stuff like that that oversaw that stuff and they would
not allow this stuff to get out. So we were,
as I know, in the United States specifically, we were pampered.
(28:54):
I guess we were not pampered. We were we were
not given what was actually going on. Okay, they didn't
want to. They didn't think. I don't. I don't think
they thought we could handle what was actually going on
in the world, and they wouldn't tell us a lot
(29:17):
of the stuff.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
It was very m hm, leave it to Beaver style.
That's what they wanted to put forward. They wanted to
put forth the good American home and the good American family,
and that was just exact opposite a lot what was
going on behind closed doors. But now everything's out there.
(29:44):
I h I don't know. I'm just it's horrible. The
more the more I got into this, the darker it got,
you know, after you know, you start going down rabbit
holes with this, with this topic, and it's just it
(30:05):
takes you to a very dark place. It really does.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And you know the reason why I share you guys
can see and say tea time with Duchess Daniel Diva.
I actually did talk about apocalypse and end of the
Times yesterday if you guys want to subscribe or check
it out. But there's a lot there. It's not just
about apocalypse. I'm talking about the human trafficing, about sodom angomera,
(30:32):
about the darkness and everything that they're going through right now.
It's actually connecting to what we are talking right now.
One thing texts that we need to understand that people
don't know that this darkness that is happening in England
and the UK and you know New Zealand and Australia,
(30:54):
it's still happening even at this moment, all around the world.
And they're saying that most of those body infants were
not even found and they don't even know the count.
To God forbid, we must understand that, you know the truth,
what is some people, Uh, we're having lots of money,
(31:16):
so they hid. Some people went to a different country.
You know, some people just pretended they don't know. So
there's a lots of things there that went under the carpet.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Some people were executed for it, what I totally agree with.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
But you know, these are not just baby farms, because
you know, these kids are babysit for the money. This
is something that was a business, uh, and was a
business of also destroying and killing the infants, and most
of the time you get paid for it. And we
(31:55):
must understand also that at that time, racism was a
huge issue. And when racism and religion gets to divide
the people, that's when the hugest problem that's happened. Like
I've been inside of the communism. I've been inside of
the where religion plays the part where people fight between it.
(32:19):
You guys won't believe the people are not people anymore.
Text they turn into the beasts. So I understand what's
happening here. And you know when you're mentioning this lady.
For example, Margaret Waters was executed in eighteen seventy and
(32:41):
Amelia dial in eighteen ninety six, where two infamous British
baby farmers who were hanged for their atrocities, for everything
that they did. And I think they deserve that, but
you know they didn't even kill them. You know, they
would leave them to die. They will give the poison mixtures.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
It's quite quite crazy. And then.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
The last baby farmer was killed in nineteen oh seven,
Rhoda Wills, who was hanged in Wales.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
There's a lots of So if we're thinking about that time,
we can say the dark web is a master of something.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Today what was happening at the past.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
So dark Web and baby farming something that we can
put an equal, you know, at equal side, just in
a different centuries.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, because I mean back then it was advertised in papers.
That's how they found each other. Yes, you know, and
you could post flyers across, you know, through the city. Okay,
I'll take in you know, I'll take in your baby
and for ten pounds, and then the baby would if
(34:13):
you came back to check on them. More times than not,
it was dead, you know, or missing.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
And a lot of times.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
You must understand, this is a great, great opportunity for many, uh,
people that have mental illnesses that are pedophilia uh, you know, patients,
or they have issues abusing the children.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
And you must understand that many of these women that
they're giving the children were actually forced to it. So
they didn't do it because they wanted. They were forced.
They didn't have an option. So that's what it is saddest.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah, because I mean you had women that were that
couldn't they couldn't even feed themselves much less, and most
of time didn't even have I didn't have steady a
steady roof over their head. And then they you know,
they prostitute themselves because that's the only way they could
make money. And because it was a very misogynistic society. Yeah,
(35:24):
you know, women didn't have any rights whatsoever. They were
almost looked down on, second class, second class citizens, if
people at all. You know, that's not that's not even considered.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Text women.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Exactly because when I was reading the file, uh, there's
also they were talking about, you know, girls that were maids,
girls that may be made accidental full in love and
they stay accidentally pregnant. Also, you know people that were
like you saying, the second class citizens. So it wasn't
(36:06):
just the African American or African European babies. There were
babies that were coming all different races, of course mostly
from the black race.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
But you know, it's quite sad, and you think about that.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
We are thinking sometimes okay, you know we are past that,
but we are far away from passing that. The the
other day, I must say, last winter, I was talking
to one of the girls that I know from the
other agency and then she was like, oh, Daniel, I'm
going to the meeting.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
So I said what kind of meeting. She goes like, oh,
they're so and so girls that are being traffic.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Here in Edmonton. I said how many? When she said
the number, I was quite being shocked. And the reason
why I was being shot. Not that I don't believe her.
It's just you know, Edmonton, for example. It's not New York,
it's not you know, Chicago. It's a small city at
the north, you know. But then when I heard that,
(37:14):
I was quite shocked. She goes like, oh, yeah, it
happens in front of our noses. And many times people
don't even want to pay attention because I got in Walda,
I don't care, you know.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
So it happens every every day.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
So slavery does exist even today, unfortunately, I.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Must say that, and it's running. It's running.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
You have the working slavery, you have immigration slavery, you
have sex slavery, abuse of the children, domestic abuse.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
The list goes on.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
And you know what makes me very very sad that
we didn't learn so much from the past. For example,
they when they did execute them on texts, I'm sure
you probably didn't know they execute together. And that was
like a modern way at that time, modern society to
(38:06):
shock the world, to give them the shock treatment. But
I don't think that the short rest of the world,
because unfortunately we do have dark web, Unfortunately, we do
have pedophiles. Fortunately, we do have you know, domestic violence, abuse,
children being sold and you know, abused every day. Sometimes,
(38:28):
you know, with people that I work with, they say,
there's so many little of children advocate and disabled or
mentally disabled advocate people.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
And I'm proud to be one of them. And the
reason why.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Because yeah, maybe there's not so many of us, but
we try to make a difference because many people say,
I don't care, you know, and I'm not going to
get involved because you know, it's not my business, but
I think it's everybody's business because you never know who.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Can be.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I absolutely agree, and we we've talked about so many
cases where when we did talk about the whole circle
of violence. If y'all haven't seen that show, it's a
good one that one of the biggest problems is people
(39:22):
not wanting to get involved, people turning a blind eye,
people thinking that, oh, it just happened once, it's going
to get better. It does not get better. It only
escalates and gets worse. It's the same thing with this Yes,
the more we turn a blind eye to it, the
more we don't want to get involved because it is
horrific and we just don't want to hear about it.
(39:44):
And that's understandable. Don't. You don't want to hear about
this stuff. And that's why we, you know, me and
daniel tell you. If you're not comfortable, you know, even
hearing about this stuff, don't dig into it because it
will take you to a dark place. Let us do
that and tell you because I guarantee you we don't
even scratch the surface on these topics that we're talking
(40:05):
about on these shows. Because if you if we got
real deep into this stuff, it's very very dark and
very very evil, and it's hard to shake. It can
be very hard to shake once you get into it.
(40:27):
So you know, you know, it's it's like you said, Danielle,
it's going on now. Everything we talked about, slavery, baby farming,
trafficking of all kinds, it's going on now.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Yeah, all over and the worst thing what is it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (40:50):
You know like I'm seeing ah when I open certain files.
I don't even talk to my family about it because
of the kofncial and also don't talk because they are not.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Prepared for that. It took me sometimes.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
When I read through the files and I see what
is happening with that child or that patient, residental, whatever
you want to call it, I have to say that
I did my best to help them at that time,
give all the support that I need, reported and whatever,
and I have to back off. I'm not saying that
(41:31):
sometimes I don't think about it, or maybe I could
do the things definitely to help this person. But it
doesn't matter how much you are trained. There is cases
that you will always think about, like like I'm saying,
or that you thought, you know, maybe if this was
done this way, maybe it would be better this way.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
So it's not always that easy.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
And you know, and especially when you see that kind
of abuse or if you talking about you know here
baby farming, I honestly say the way even these children
are killed, you know, many of them, like you're saying,
are poisoned. Today, you know, most of the time because
with autopsy and with you know, basically pathology and everything,
(42:15):
we are capable off solving the problems. But a lot
of times at that time, there's many times that you know,
things would go undetected. And the reason why because science
wasn't you know, so developed. And then another thing, who
would look for a child of a prostitute, She's nothing,
a nobody who will look a child of that black
(42:36):
lady she's nothing, nobody. That maid is just a maid
or who cares. So it's the same way here and
mentioning the number of the of the children that we
are talking about, you know, it breaks my heart in
one way because we are still far away from protecting
(42:58):
the most vulnerable and those are the children. And when
you think about the children, go like, oh my god,
is it possible that you know, we are not even
touching like you're saying the scratch on it. But and
even you know with these ladies, like you're saying, the
baby farming, it didn't stop.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
We had a huge issues here in Canada.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Where the children were Aboriginal children were taken from their
families and given to the UK families or the white
families to raise them. So they would reprogram these kids.
They would cut their hairs, e raise their basically language,
raised their memories. Many of you were sexual and physically
abused inside of these basically so called residential schools. At
(43:45):
the end, the end up to be genocide, what I
totally agree with.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
So and that.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Happened almost till ninety two, so that was almost toald yesterday. Yeah,
that was the last that as residential school schools were
closed in nineteen nineties where the children were taken away,
(44:16):
severely abused, many killed, like you're saying, farmed reprogrammed.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
And many of them died.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
So it's quite crazy. But that's why, ladies and gentlemen,
when you see this show, I always say, it's not
about the number of the viewers. We love that you
guys are sharing and subscribing. It's about the message that
we're sharing and that totally different heart influence that we
(44:47):
want to give, and that's to touch each and every
one of you, to make a difference. And you know,
baby Farming unfortunately it's helped depending given today.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Well if we look back in history, and this is
how ignorant that I mean, we think the politicians are
out of touch with us now, but this is how
ignorant they were in eighteen thirty four. The Poor Law
(45:29):
Amendment Act in eighteen thirty four denied the poor to
the right the poor. It denied the poor the right
to subsistence. So in particular, single mothers were the course
to work in prison like workhouses. It basically what it
(45:49):
amounted to, it made it illegal to be poor. What
I mean, what did they think they were going to
fix with this. I don't think they I don't. I
don't and I don't really don't think that there was
anything that they were thought they were going to fix.
I think that I think it was a way to
(46:14):
eliminate poor people. Yeah, the stuff that was just it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
You know, I mean, it is, it's very Uh, yes.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
I don't know. I know. You had, like we were
talking about, there were several baby farmers that were tried
and and and hung promoter from murder and manslaughter or
criminal criminal neglect. You had Margaret Waters a million DIYer,
which is the big one that we were you know,
(46:59):
we've been talking them out. Yes, but you had a
moment of Amelia sack An, Annie Walters and the one
you mentioned the last one was Ronda Willis. Yes, but
these are the ones where when they pulled up the
(47:20):
victims of they were trying to find the victims of
Amelia Dryer dire that she was identifying the ones that
had a certain color ribbon around her neck their neck
because she would one of the ways, one of her
favorite ways to dispose of these children was horrific, was
(47:41):
to tie ribbons just tight enough around their neck where
they would slowly you know suffocates would watch them.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
How six years that told you how severely ment tally
ill she is. That tells you that immediately, will tell
you that she's suffering from huge she's the effective disorder,
manic depressive, severe psychopath with no connection with uh, you know,
(48:17):
any any any pain that she's feeling, any remorse, anything,
because any guilt. She's a severe cold psychopath. That it's
born mentally ill.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, it's I don't know. It's it's sad, it really is.
I don't know. I would like to think that it's
been on the cline, but I don't know what it has.
(48:54):
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
And you know, texts, when you think about her and
the way you're describing that she was doing these murders
and that she's enjoying that she's preparing, so she's actually
preparing how she's gonna kill this innocent child, it's also
telling us that you know, she's doing this for her
own enjoyment. So what she's doing, she's enjoying what she's doing.
(49:21):
She's doing these bloody, horrible crimes to actually complete her
mental needs. And even if they're wrong, but this is
fulfilling her needs. That's telling you how mentally ill and
very disturbed.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
This woman was, you know, quite horrible.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Well, folks, I want to give Danielle a few minutes,
but get ready for her show. So we're gonna go
ahead and wrap this up for today, and because you
don't want to miss her, and you and Donnie right
on your show following this one.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
Yes, it's me and Johnny. Yeah, we're gonna go through
many different subjects.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
That will be interesting cool.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Don't forget, folks. We've got our conference coming up in September.
Our whole dysunctional family is going to be there, the
whole island of misfit toys. It's the Crossing Realms Conference
in Richmond. I want to say Virginia every time I
say Richmond. It's in Richmond, Missouri, September nineteenth and twentieth.
(50:36):
You got Danielle and Donnie cho up next. And then
at eight o'clock, Christina Gomez is going to join us
on the porch, Me and Brandy on the porch and
we're gonna be talking about some UFOs for the first
hour and in the second hour. Brent Thomas apparento Portal Portal.
I'm' trying to say it right for you. Brent Portal
(50:57):
is going to be with us for the second hour
of the Front Porch, so y'all, y'all stay tuned just
you know, the show's gonna pop up and you get
to see more of the beautiful Danielle and precious.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Oh yes, I miss him too, And I want to
say thank you again Text for all of your support
and always being there, you know, for me, and thank
you everybody for sending the messes saying what was wrong
it's the better. And also, you know, stay tuned for
our shows and the next week we're gonna continue going
(51:33):
deeper into this crime and we're gonna connect it to
today's society and we may even sure some of the basic,
you know, things that are happening today in the world,
so you never know, stay with us for the entire
evening and join us next time on the Infamous Minds
because it will be very, very hot and boiling in here.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Thank you everybody, We'll see you later.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Good night,
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