December 17, 2024 • 62 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
I got nightmares in my heart.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I fear the hospilled up until I can't hear that
my mind fills up into a creature and it haunts me.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Somewhere much.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to Infamous Minds. Hello everybody, Hello Miss Diva.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hello Hello, I have a little problem. That's why I disappear.
I left my laptop to charge. I thought I plugged
it in, but I didn't, so I'm hoping the battery
will not run out. And I left it and I
thought it was charging, and I probably because you were
(01:16):
doing the Christmas tree and everything. I plugged it, but
I don't know what I plugged it into. So if
it doesn't work, I'll go on to my cell phone.
It's my fault. But it's not. It's not working, so
I it's I did it so and I don't know
how I think because there was too many cables. When
I saw I thought I plugged it in, and then
(01:37):
when I saw it, I'm like, oh, this cable is
not plugged into the main plug. So if it doesn't work,
if I disconnect, then I'll connect on my cell phone.
So I didn't apologize for that.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Wow, look at their ginger. Paranormal has been a member
for five months. Thank you so much. That is all.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Congratulations. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh so it has been It has been a while
since me and you've done this. We've been our lives
have been just crazy lately.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yes, yes, yes, we have a I actually just came
back today. Yeah, my my, my bird cocoteal. She wasn't
feeling well. So I got really really worried, worried for
no reason. It's molding. It's a regular thing. But I
(02:41):
did go and see. Uh see, this is the lady
of the hour. My mom is bringing all the cables.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
This is the goverment that just deserves gold, golden, golden stars.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I will if it disappears, I'll bring another another cable,
no problem. See she's saying, I'm connecting everything. She's trying.
That's that's how lovely my mother is. But I swear
to God, I don't even know how. I don't worry,
is your heart. I have a cell phone. If I
need a connect, I'll connect to the cell phone. Don't stress,
(03:18):
I know, don't worry. I have a cell phone, and
I yeah shaying, wait, I'll try my heart. She's that's
how my mom. Uh and on behalf of my family
I actually I want to say thank you to my family,
to my sister, my mom, my son, my closest friends.
(03:41):
Actually I cannot be Tomorrow is my birthday, but the
celebrated my birthday over the weekend, so they prepare the
cake and the presents, and it was just it's not
about the presents, but the way I was pumpered that day,
and they even uh cooked for me the special food
that I like. I like the roasted barbecue chickens, so
(04:03):
they did that for me with mashed potatoes. So I
was pretty much happy and taking care of.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
So I must say that you know what this means, right, No,
you don't have a clue what's coming. You don't have
a clue. You're muted.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
And then today I've been for a couple of days
worried for my Kiki, and I saw Kiky is a cockatillo,
But the truth was, she's very special because she's yellow,
bright yellow, and then when she's losing her feathers, it
looks like she's becoming bloody on top of the head.
And so more than a couple of times I got
(04:49):
really really worried if my you know, my mom was,
you know, worried and all of us. So today I
took her to the Mika's house and I want to
say also thank you to doctor Ian from the Mika's house.
And we have the chord.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Yay see, she said she's treading, but she got us.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
She got us a chord. We are all connected.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Now, don't don't let her, don't let her leave. I
got something for for you. And I want her there.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
She won't be in front of the camera. She will start,
She'll say, I'm not ready.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
No, I just want I just want her to listen.
I just need her to listen.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Okay, Okay, so here we.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Go, Michael, I'll call her, don't I'll call her my mama, Mama,
give me a second. Well, I will remove myself from
the camera. That okay, so she can watch.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
She just needs to hear. She just needs to be
able to listen.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Okay, give me a second, moms, you take.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
She knows she's I said, you don't have to be
in front of Canada. You just listen the treeish you
can hear she's saying. She's listening.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Now, okay, okay, Well number one, I just I want
I want to I want to say I'm glad she's
feeling a little bit.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
You can say there, nobody will see you up there, yes,
there will. Don't be shy. This is my mom. Why
are you shy? This is my mom. Yes, this is
nice eyes my best friend.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yes, okay, so here we go. Happy birthday two.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Make me cry.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You guys, birthday to you.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Have birthday did and birthday to you.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Thank you so much, Thank you guy, you very much.
See this is that my mom my, and everybody in
a chart. This is the woman that gave life to me,
the strength and made me who I am today. So
I'm very very proud of her. And actually her birthday
is on the twenty first, so it's coming. She said,
(07:40):
she's living now. Thank you so much, thank you very much,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
She's watching from above but upstairs too. It's a beautiful
day for me. And thank you text so much, and
thank you for all the wishes, all the beautiful singing
and you know, all the cards.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Everything to me. That's that's what makes me happy. And
my mom she is my joy. She's my joy and
my pride. So I'm very I'm very happy. That means
tell you otherwise. She doesn't go in front of the Canada.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But well, she did it for me because she loves me.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Oh, yes, she loves you very much. I'm very very
happy to be here. And like I'm saying, she is
a wonderful, wonderful woman, and I'm very proud of her.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So it's been a while since me and you've been
able to do this because both of our lives have
been crazy. Yes, so I'm so glad to finally be
back doing our show again. It's because I enjoy so
much doing doing it live, you know that. And it's
this guy that we're going to talk about is absolutely
(08:55):
I couldn't believe this when I started looking into this guy, uh,
the whole thing. And it's not necessarily him, it's just
the events that led up to what was going on
with him and everything. Because I thought, you know, you've
got the dating game killer and I thought that was nuts,
you know, him being on national TV interview. This this
(09:17):
isn't he ain't got nothing on this guy. This guy
was a minor celebrity, a best selling author.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
But and it's jack Um hum Hunt wigger.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, German, that's a German lawst name.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Right, Yeah, he was now he's in Austria. Well, he
ended up in Austria. He was he was the illegitimate
child of a an Austrian or German waitress and an
(10:01):
American soldier. Yeah, and he didn't have a good life
growing up, and and these and these people that we
talked about rarely do. His mother couldn't take care of him.
(10:22):
She was in and out of jail. He ended up
with his grandfather, which was a He was a womanizer,
and he was not a good guy. Would let the
little kid watch stuff. And I mean, you know, it's
just a bad, bad upbringing. But so he grows up
(10:46):
and he's tooling around with his girlfriend. They see her,
a friend of hers, walking down the road. They stop,
they rob her, then go rob her parents, and then
he takes and his girlfriend's in the car with him
(11:07):
and doing all the stuff with him. He then takes
her friend, they pull over, takes her friend out in
the woods, forces her to strip, does the nasty with
her by force, and beats her with a metal rod. Yeah,
and then strangles her with her own bra.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Now the girlfriend testifies against him and he gets life
in prison. Yep. Now this is where the craziness starts.
(11:53):
And I want, I want to get your opinion on
not his not I mean, he he was. He takes
narcissism to a whole other level. Yeah, but he's very
He didn't have an education. The man's not stupid. He
gets in prison, he learns to read and write. He
(12:14):
ends up writing two best selling books, writes for a
children's program, a very popular one there in Austria. So
and he is like the poster child of being rehabilitated. Okay,
(12:37):
so much so that the artistic community with his books
out and all this kind of stuff with his book,
and they also made a movie called Purgatory about him
in prison and all this kind of stuff. Well, then
the artistic community, we're talking politicians, actors, the whole nine yards,
(13:03):
started protesting for this guy's release because, oh, he's been
rehabilitated and he needs to you know, we can. And
the thing about it is the key point here was
Austria was in the middle of re revamping their their
prison system, their rehabilitation system. Okay, so this was it
(13:29):
was very high pressure. So they let him out. He
did fifteen years. The judge said, I'm not letting him out.
They wanted him out earlier in this but the judge
said no, he's going to do the minimum of fifteen years. Yeah,
but so he gets out in fifteen years now, Danielle,
(13:52):
Why would they do this? This is what I don't understand.
When they let him out, he doesn't have to he
doesn't have to report to parole Losster, he doesn't have
to go see a psychologist or psychiatrist or anything. He's
just out scott free. Why would they do that? Is
there any reasoning behind that?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
You know?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I read about this case and there was a couple
of times mentioning about it on the certain classes and
the seminars U Sometimes I must say, unfortunately there's errors
that are made. But those sometimes errors I think are
made on purpose. Just because you know, he's a first psychopath,
(14:35):
we can say at the modern times and serial killer
that went over different continents and was killing so on
both sides, the countries didn't do too much to prosecute him,
you know, for the these horrible crimes that he was doing.
So one thing that people don't understand, Yes, one thing
(14:56):
that people don't understand basically is that there these crimes
that most of the times, uh, things that are happening.
I have a delivery for you, Oh forgive me that
was somebody is sending me the flowers, and I'm like, okay,
(15:20):
take you a little bit longer, you need somebody send
the flower. So thank you guys whoever it is. So
there we go. Okay. So I'm like, okay, so she's
leaving the message. So uh it is my birthday by
the way, So there you go. So basically, what I
(15:44):
want to say regarding that is that basically we are
having errors that are made in both countries, and sometimes this,
if I can be honest, these errors are made on
the purpose and the reason why. The courage can be
the politics more than it can be the system itself.
(16:06):
So we have to look what was happening in between
those two countries at that time. Was there any for example,
sometimes there's a spying game, sometimes there was a game,
you know, economical game, military game. So it depends. First
of all, we have to go deep into the politics
what was happening between those two countries. Second part that
(16:30):
we must understand you know that lots of times they
don't want to go into each other's if we can
save business, even if they shoot, especially in this kind
of case, so they would rather flush everything around the
toilet forgive my language instead of going deeper, you know,
and let it go down the hill.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Unfortunately, there was more victims because of that. That's my
personal opinion, because nobody wanted to push anybody's buttons, and
it did happen. This is not the first case that
it happened, because for.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Example, Knada made back up because he doesn't want to intervene,
for example, with China when there was that huge issue
with the lady with Wawie Maui whatever the phones are
called forgive me how we wawe don't. I don't even know.
Even if Canadian people were against the ninety nine percent
of it, many politicians back off because this was the
(17:28):
superpower they later live in a BC. Everything kind of
went under the carpet. And the reason why because you
have economical and military now issues here and god knows
what else you know. I'm just saying, so mistake was
done here on both parts of the countries for not
pushing it or going into each other's face regarding this case.
(17:48):
So he gets captured earlier.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Yeah, because we're.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And like I said this, when he get when he
got released is when it really got crazy. Because they
he was doing television programs. He was the guest of
a lot on this, on this one where they were
talking about prisoner rehabilitation. Oh wow, what the.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Oh my god? Thanks thank you being Mark. Thank you
made my birthday beautiful. Thank you, thank you. It is
my birthday, by the way, thank you. I'm thirty. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So this guy gets released. He's on all these TV shows.
He's like I said, he's he's writing and I think
he's voice actor for children's program and all this kind
of stuff. Meanwhile, just a few months after he got released,
prostitutes start coming up dead and they're all being strangled
(19:16):
and they're all being beaten. And what they're finding out
is they're either strangled with their braw or stockings. And
what they start finding out is the same knot is
tied into everything. Okay, and that comes into play. But
(19:44):
so he gets kind of uh, he gets thrown under suspicion.
But everybody's like, oh no, it can't be him. He's
been rehabilitated. He's such a great guy and everything. While
he's doing these TV shows and these and these murders
start popping up. He's doing these episodes on this TV
(20:06):
show talking about the crimes that he's committing, but nobody
is connecting the dots, and he's on TV talking about
That's every narcissist and psychopaths dream is to be able
to get on TV and talk about what you're doing.
But he's not talking about it as if he's doing it.
(20:27):
He's he's discussing as you know, as consultant on the cases.
It's insane. So these women are coming up dead in Austria,
they're coming up dead in Germany. Well, then he goes
to the United States, he goes to la and he
(20:49):
kills a couple of Then he goes to Florida, I
believe it was, and he killed a couple of girls
in Florida. That's where he gets caught. Now they extra
died him back to Austria and so they've got him
(21:11):
in prison. So before we go, before we go too
far into that, what do you think I mean this
guy's I mean he's a minor celebrity. He is a celebrity,
he's a best selling author, he's on TV. He's like
(21:33):
I said, I wouldn't be surprised if he had joy
gasms when he was talking about his crimes on TV.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
The one thing that we must understand about this gentleman.
Also during that time, there was a huge research all
around the world and in Europe that there is this
particular especially in the in the Germany, Austria and that
kind of area that they're doing the research that they
(22:05):
can actually cure people with these special therapies and that
they will not be turning into psychopaths, killers, uh, you know,
being sexually obsessed and everything. So that's why Also they
let him out, so it was almost like, you know,
show off, this is what we have a we have
(22:27):
a magic pill. We know how to find a solution.
Look like he's he's free. Now he's cure, nothing will
happen again. He is a fantastic member of society. We
must understand that this man was a clear narcissistic manipulator.
Uh you know, and even the way he was killing people,
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don't understand when you actually taking a piece of clothing
and you are killing that person from behind. In psychology,
this is also showing your bigness because you don't have
a strength to look the person into the eyes. And
what you're trying to do is actually to take all
of your anger while you're behind person's back, while the
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person is suffocating and you know, getting a fixia and
dying from strangulation. It's also sharing another part of him,
and that is that he also have sexuality issues, that
he is very masochistic and shauvinistic, especially over the woman.
All of this goes deep into his profiling. And also
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the reason why he probably hates the prostitutes is because
his mother was a prostitute too. So when we put
all of this together in there under one umbrella, we
can see something that most people don't understand is actually
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that we live in a very unfortun genthully bad society.
That it's far away from the reality and understanding that
we will be living on the street together with these
rapist psychopaths, niniac serial killers and et cetera. And if
we don't do something, bad things will happen.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Right yeah, no, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
No no, please, go ahead, please.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Go I was just going to say that, So this,
this sounds like something that would happen, you know, back
in the day when they didn't have a whole lot
of when the science wasn't wanted quite there. But this
(24:47):
wasn't that long ago. You know, this was in the nineties,
the mid nineties when this happened early the mid nineties,
and he was suspected of killing twelve to fifteen when
and he only got you only I think he got
busted for nine of them. But this is what's crazy.
(25:08):
In nineteen ninety one, he was hired by an Austrian
magazine to write about crime in Los Angeles and the
differences between US and European attitudes towards prostitution. We met
with local police, was doing right alongs with the police
(25:28):
and Los Angeles and during that time, three sex workers,
Shannon Exley, Irene Rodoriguez and Peggy Booth were all beaten,
assaulted with tree branches you can figure that one out,
and all strangled with their own bras using that same knot. Now,
(25:56):
in his early years were let's back up a little bit,
so because he was in and out of prison at
out of jail at a young age. He was arrested
and convicted sixteen times between nineteen sixty six and nineteen
(26:16):
seventy four. Now, mostly they were theft related defenses, but
he was also busted for being a pimp and assaulting
sex worker and he spent most of that eight years
in prison. So when he got busted for that murdering
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the eighteen year old woman, his girlfriend's friend. This wasn't
like his first time to go to prison. This wasn't
the first time that he'd had a violent crime. Nope,
and so and that, like I said, that brings us
up to when he goes to la and he kills
(26:59):
three sex workers. Let's see he uh and see he
killed a young woman. See, and I'm gonna struggle. Maybe
you can do these names better than I can. I'm
not well, I know you can, but blank, Blanca.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Bakova, black clover, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Blackova, and what used to be Czechoslovakia, Yes, and Brune
Hilda master, Am I saying that hotdie hammer? Elfred? Is
that right? Shrimp? Yes, yes, Hey, I'm gonna roll Silver Zegler,
(27:48):
Sabine Mutzel.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah, I'm looking. You're doing good clearing now.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
This is this is gonna this is what is gonna
trip me up. Karen yea earl glu glug earl, guglotskisk Okay,
Regina prim and they were these women were all in
(28:18):
there from twenty to thirty nine. Is you know that age?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
This was all those those women arout there were all
in the first year after his release, while he's going
through all that's the ones where he's doing all these
TV shows and talking about he's discussing these crimes that
he's later convicted for and they were all killed with
the bras, but the same knock tied in them. That
(28:49):
that just amazes me and I can't can you imagine
the level of superiority that that he was feeling when
he's doing this, you know, I mean, it's you know,
(29:11):
we know that Ted Bundy loved the spotlight. Ed Kemper
even loved the spotlight. And when he got busted, when
he turned himself in, he asked the police when I
driveing up, is there's gonna be a lot of press there?
Because he wanted finally to be recognized for something that
he did. That he was he said he wasn't proud
(29:32):
of it, but I think in some way he was.
But a lot of these most of them with the
narcissist attitude, they they craved the spotlight. They crave recognition.
And that's why sometimes you'll see, like Dennis Raider, when
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they arrested somebody else for his crimes, he was like,
oh no, no, I he sent a letter no, they
this guy didn't do it. I did this, and here's
the evidence to say I did. You know, he wanted
to make sure that he got the recognition. He even
(30:19):
asked him how many people do I have to kill
to get first page or you know, headlines in the news.
So the narcissistic level of of these of these of
these people is off the charts. This guy was in
heaven as far as the narcissist goes had to be.
(30:45):
And I think that it probably, I mean, they had
to fuel, you know, his drive, don't you think.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah. And one thing that people don't actually understand when
we study this gentleman, if you go deeper into his psyche,
you know, he comes from a very violent past, like
his mother was a prostitute hiding to be a waitress
or making extra money after working in this restaurant. And
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then you know father was very severely abusive, and he
was beaten multiple times by his father. He so many
times basically his mother being beaten by his father, and
that she's not worthy and that she's not basically part
(31:42):
of this world, just like this garbage. Basically she's nothing,
she's a cloth. And that's how he treated all of
these ladies and he wanted to take out the anger
of them. Of course I don't agree with that, so
he never got actually helped that he needed, so he
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would go deeper and deeper into the trouble and of
course doing the crime when you were eighteen. We must
understand that Gratz was the city in Austria is totally
different than Canada or America, and the system there is
totally different. And the truth that is, their prostitutes are
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even treated worse than on these boat continents. So once
when you're labeled, you're labeled for life, and it's even
today like that ninety nine percent of the time. So
and many times if they get a prostitute that's coming
from a different country, she would be you know, sent back,
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or she would not be capable of coming back, and
et cetera. So when we're thinking about what's happening here,
I can only tell you that the truth that is,
all of these crimes that he's doing, it was done
out of his severe mental illness that was never addressed.
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Somebody who is a psychopath, and it's turning into the
basically severe episodes of aggression, violence, sexual aggression, and abuse
will not end up being cure the like they ever
think there's no cure for that. That's number one. And
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another thing, you know, people don't understand texts. But unfortunately,
our men and women in uniform, and I know many
they would arrest these guys, but when it comes to
the court, it's up to the court what they'll decide.
So I cannot even judge their Austrian police or the
American police because they did what they could, but the
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court is the one who makes a final decision. It's
not them. So you know, I'm sure he's not the
only one or the last one that went between the
fingers of the you know, of the law. But what
I can say, it breaks my heart for these victims
and the way there is and the way they were
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used while everybody was just turning the blind eye to it.
And that's that's what I can say. So it's not
something that you want to see or enjoy or have
one young person or a young lady going through that.
We also must understand that he was very charming, He
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knew how to lure them in. He would offer the
money a good payment for their services, and after you know,
he is basically horrible abuse towards to them, physical and sexual.
They would be killed because this was of him releasing themselves.
What many people don't understand that this murder is actually
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his release of anger, of something inside, that demonic possession
inside that's telling nobody can understand me. So I will
use this man or a woman to release everything that
is hidden inside of me. So it's quite sad, but that's.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
What happened, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I don't what break and going back to the victims,
like you were saying, what bothers me and breaks my
heart is if if he hadn't gotten released, how many
lives could have been saved? Because I mean the twelve
(35:45):
or fifteen victims are just the ones that we know about.
You know, he was killing so often that it's pretty
safe to say that there's a lot out there that
he didn't that never came to light, you know, because
if he was traveling from Austria to Germany to best
how many other stops did he make?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah? I think there's more than those ones that are
mentioned there. Forgive me much more.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Much more? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Why do you think I.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I as much presser. I get the politics, the political
pressure that they were under to release this guy. I
get that it happens, but I will say this, at
least the judge didn't cave and just let him out
(36:50):
when when they first started campaigning for his release, he
stuck to his guns and at least made him serve
fifteen years if he had let him out when they
first started camp painting for his release. There's no telling
how many victims we be talking about exactly, you know,
he we may be talking Gary Ridgeway numbers here if
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if that was the case, if he had gotten out earlier,
you know. And what was crazy is what happened after
he after they extra dized him, because they put him
under surveillance here in the States, and then they caught
him and then they extra died him back to Austria. Yes,
(37:34):
he stood, you know, he stood trial for the crimes
there in Austria. And so the way I understand it
from what I've read, he was never convicted of killing
the women over here in the States, just the women
in in Austria, because well they'd have probably put him
(37:58):
to death over here. They put him in life they
you know, they convicted him again life in prison. Yeah,
when he got convicted for those nine murders over there
in Austria. Now, I was surprised to hear what he
(38:23):
did after he got caught, just days after he got
caught and convicted. Yes, because I didn't think and what
he did. He he hung hisself in his cell. Yeah,
and used the same knot that he used to kill
the women. He tied the same knot in the what
(38:48):
he used to strangle him hard to hang himself. I
think it was his It was his shoelaces. And there
was something else that he used, Oh, draw strings out
of his pants, draw strings out of his ants, and
a combination of that in his shoe string, his boots,
boot strings or whatever. Number one. I thought they took
all that stuff away from you, along with your belt
(39:09):
and everything else. But he was also left alone in
his cell. Nobody was watching him. You know how many
times have we heard that? You know, he got epstein,
but he tied the same knot. This is either poetic
(39:31):
justice or he did it himself. Now I'm not convinced.
I'm not really convinced that he did it himself. But
because I think I as narcissistic as this guy was.
(39:52):
Do you well, I mean, do you think I mean,
what what do you think do you think he did himself?
You think somebody killed him made it look like he did.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
This was now very shameful for Austria, and we must understand,
you know, being part of the United Nations and everything,
and we're talking about nineteen nineties, how come you have
this psychopath coming in and killing the woman. Prior to
that you glorify him. He was on the TV and everything.
(40:21):
So personally, I think it's an inside job. That's just
might think and the reason why he wouldn't be the
first one or the last one that finished that way.
So you know, even for Epstein, personally, I have totally
different opinion about it, you know, and I don't believe
(40:43):
in the world that it's said, and I wouldn't be
even surprised that tomorrow they say that pup Daddy did
the same to himself, because it's just when you have
somebody that's exploited so much onto the TV media and
the power around the other people support and then this
(41:03):
would be great basically for the time to shut him down.
And you have two countries that basically now they're digging
the hole to find the self out what happened here.
So I personally think he found a way to the
other side, in a totally different direction than killing themselves.
(41:26):
And we must understand Austria has a really tough law too.
They are strong countries, so not to do a strip
search to remove those things and everything watching for the
school side. He's a psycho. But many things there don't
make a sense. So it's it possible that there or
is made. I wasn't there. Maybe he wasn't done on purpose.
(41:47):
Maybe was he killed by somebody? My opinion ninety nine
percent he was.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, I don't, I just I don't see his norse
SYSM letting him do this.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah, And he loved himself too much to do so.
He was so much and loved himself, so it will
be like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm too precious,
uh and too well known now to end up my life.
He will never do that.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
If you if you look at the pictures of him,
you know, doing these TV shows and stuff, he's got
such a smug look on his face.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Very creepy actually.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, absolutely, very cheap, you know, wearing all white suits
and everything.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
It's like, and you must understand Austrian people are really sharp. Uh.
They present themselves with the power with the knowledge. And
now you have this guy, he's, you know, recovering from
being a killer and everything. Okay, dress him up, impress
(42:58):
the people, so he the entire machine, be kind of himself.
He wasn't alone. So that's why certain things needed to
be shut up. And this is going to be done
that way. And it's too sad to see that. Lots
of times system works this way.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
I know, I have a hiccups and I'm trying. I'm
trying more high.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's it's uh, it made well. Another thing that really
just clows my mind is how much they fed his ego.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Oh yeah, that's that's what's the problem. And that's what
I'm That's what I'm saying. Uh. Basically, they glorify him.
He's cured, he is the best our treatment war. Everybody
is going to bow to us. We found a solution
for psychopath. He's not gonna ever do it again. Now.
(44:07):
The treatment failed. Everybody failed, and don't forget. We must
understand that. I'm gonna be quite forward with this. Germans
and Austrians are very similar. They have very strong medicine,
they have a really strong military. But I'm going to
talk about the medical part of it. They did a
(44:27):
lots of research even during the World War two and
during the World War One, like some of the women
of my family members were part of and brutally killed
in those concentration comes. So what I want to say,
they do have smart people behind that. They have a
knowledge or they have a gaps that are not finished
unfortunately in those concentration comes, so they're going deeper. That's why,
(44:51):
for example, Germany has the best medicine because most of
the testing was done in humans. They have this mythology perfumes, shampoos,
this is why unfortunate ladies and gentlemen. That was part
of the history. That's how it was done. So I
wouldn't be surprised that, you know, they did a lots
of brain studies too, So I wouldn't be surprised that
(45:15):
somebody out there that's not even written inside of these books,
we're doing some kind of research to do rehabilitation. I personally,
I'm going to share something if that's okay. Texture Yeah,
A couple couple of years ago, I was attending the
(45:35):
seminar and the training and they were actually trying to
tell us how people that were offenders pedophiles and et cetera.
You know after certain times will be let go. Especially
must understand Canada doesn't have we don't have little injections,
we don't have that penalty, hanging square, shooting.
Speaker 6 (45:58):
None of that.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
So the longest you can have twenty five years. And
so I was sitting there and I was listening. And
then I was younger, maybe about six seven years younger.
I still didn't have my son, but still I was
a child advocated and I still am and I'm proud
(46:18):
of that. And then the gentleman who was a counselor
in one of the centers said something that shocked me.
So they said, they have two to three hours when
they go from these centers to places where they need
to work. If they don't report after two three hours,
then the squad that it's going after these particular people
(46:42):
that defense these crimes will go and look for them.
So I'm just sitting there and I'm calculating. I'm looking
in my head. I saw many schools. I saw my
cousins already had the kids. At that time, I was
thinking about Liloguran and Danielle because she has my name.
I was thinking of many kids that I don't even know,
(47:06):
so I put it goes like, do you have a question,
and I said, yes, sir, sir, I have a question.
And I said, so you tell me they're missing for
two to three hours, and after two three hours you
are going to start searching for them. And he goes like, yeah, yeah,
that's when we start searching for them. I turned around
and the room was full, and I said, excuse me, everybody.
(47:29):
I don't know if you all know me, and it
doesn't matter. I said, my name is Danielle. How many
of you have children? More than ninety percent of the
room pull the hands up. I said, I don't have
a child. Then at that time, I didn't have a child.
I said, but I cannot listen to this. Neither will
I support any kind of counseling or recovery of pedophiles
(47:53):
or somebody who is out there for two three hours.
And I said, how you can do this in front
of everybody? He said to me, I get paid for it.
I packed my laptop and I left. More than eighty
percent of the room just back and left many of
people that I didn't know. People started to contact me
and they said I never thought about that, So it
(48:14):
takes a guts. I was sent there by the agency
so they could say, you know, you're not gonna work anymore,
we're gonna take your license away. We send you there
to listen. We didn't send you there to advocate. But
I took my own decision to say, hey, how you
(48:35):
can listen to this? How you can say they can
be cured? And where are they for two three hours
going around the schools and around that, you know, because
that's where I usually go, around the parks and whatever.
And he didn't have an answer for it. And I said,
you know, pophilia cannot be cured, and he said, yeah,
that's correct. So I said, so, how you can listen
(48:55):
to that? And he said to me, will I get paid?
And I just grabbed my LuFe, my lab. So I
think the reason why I'm bringing this story up, I
think nobody had guts to stand up and say, hey,
he shouldn't be on TV, he shouldn't be writing about
these poor women that they make horrible choices. I'm not judging,
(49:18):
neither do I have a right to judge. I'm not
a god. I'm a human being. I'm a sinner. I'm
made out of the flesh and meat. I don't have
swings or any special powers, so you know, they already
took and posed themselves in a very horrible position. But
it took a one person at least to say something,
(49:41):
but nobody did because they all were worried for themselves.
And I'm not saying you shouldn't go against what they're told.
Of course, they're all born free to make up. But
that was my decision at that time, right, So you're
not gonna tell me that. You know, they had cameraman's there,
(50:02):
they had reporters, people that were putting all these stories
out and whatever one of them could at least refuse
or question it. But to me, it doesn't look like
anybody did. And I agree with Miss Morgan. Mostly people
are about the money. I was getting paid that day too,
Miss Morgan, to sit and to listen to seminar and
(50:23):
to learn from it. But I wasn't sure what I'm
going to learn about that. You're telling me. You know
that they're gone for two three hours, start rapping the kitsen.
We all come back home, and after two three hours
we'll have an umber alert. Oops, somebody is missing.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
So yeah, we are. I don't I don't understand letting them.
I mean, if if you're confining them in the first place,
but you're going to let them and they go to work,
you know, and but how you can just give them
that big of a window unsupervised and and everything doesn't
(51:02):
make any sense at all. You're you're letting them go
do their thing that they're institutionalized for in the first place.
If you don't think they're doing it, you're you're crazy.
Because it's like, uh, because yeah, yeah, shocks that ye
(51:24):
because he'd given this seminar before. I'm sure, oh he
probably did.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
I'm sure yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
And I'm shocked that nobody had brought that up, because
it seems it's it's rocked there in your face. It's
so blatant.
Speaker 5 (51:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I apology for bringing it up, And it wasn't for me.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
I didn't have nothing to do with it. To me,
I was speaking for the kids, for the families, for
for for for many of the people there. And I'm like,
wait a second, and you know, my brain just started clicking,
and I'm like, ten minutes ago you said there's no
treatment for it. Ten minutes ago you said they all
have to be constantly washed and monitored. Ten minutes ago.
(52:06):
There was like he's drawing on the board, showing us
all different kinds of things, you know, and we're all like, oh,
my lord. And then after that is thinking, oh, he's gone,
you know, go for a work and after two three hours,
if he's not already, what kind of crime they to do,
(52:26):
you know? And it takes a second. But unfortunately, I
think that's what happened with this gentleman too. Nobody maybe
somebody did and they told them to shut up because
they'll lose the job. I'm not saying maybe maybe somebody
did say something. Yeah, but the truth what is most
of the people will not say anything, and they would
(52:47):
just turn around and walk away. So we are the
one that make difference. We are the one who are
looking for the future of next generation for their very
If we make a mission, take let's fix it so
they can learn from out. Well, there's so much unfortunately,
(53:08):
it's pretty high. Uh uh yeah, I mean you know,
and it's very bad.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, because it's just not the States, it's just not Canada,
it's all over the all over the world, in every country.
There's so many systems that are broken that the people
that are actually mentally ill very rarely get the help
they need, you know. For for every for every you
(53:39):
know one that you're able to help you and in
your facility y'all are able to help, there's probably a
thousand that's not getting.
Speaker 6 (53:47):
Help, you know.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
And it's even worse over here, I think.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
And even there, I see the systems failing. Like we
have conferences, the clinic, uh, the mental health transitioning or
you know you away, it doesn't matter, and it can
be downtown Royal alex I can mention many different names.
And as we meet and we discussed, I see many errors.
(54:15):
And I know some wonderful people that sit down and
they say we try, and I go like, but our
hands are tied after a certain level. And then for
example it's another system of a governmental sponsorship or whatever,
and you go like, wow, the system really did fail
(54:38):
this person and now they're lost forever. We recently did
one case where we fight for this person, and after
we got people involved, I'm glad that we did win.
But it took more than a couple of weeks for
all of us to sit there, sit there to fight
for this person and for the well being of this person.
(55:00):
But again, it was more about the money than it
was about what this patient needs. So it's always the
money and the cost, of course that's important, but compassion, humanity,
it was lost a long time ago. So unfortunately that's
what we even did. I'm sorry, I'm gonna bring something up.
(55:23):
If you guys didn't see it on my other channel,
we did touch that up on the Angels and Demonsticks
with doctor Carroll, Dennis Carroll. If you didn't see it,
you can see my interview on Tea Time with Duchess.
That isn't why I'm mentioning this is because there we
mentioned a lot about humanity, about basically demons, just like
(55:44):
this gentleman. What he was than a demon working among
the people and killing this innocent rooman, even their prostitute.
Who you are to take the life away? Who you
are to give them the judgment? You know, we are
nothing and nobody like I'm saying. We don't have a
halo above our heads. We are just normal human beings
(56:04):
like everybody else. Thank you, Gary, and thank you for
being there. But you know that's what I'm saying to me,
It's not about the money. It's not about if you
have thousand followers, three thousand and seven thousand to me,
I even said this to pro texts. I said, it's
about spending the message and making a difference. That's to
(56:28):
me what's important. And to some people, you know, more
like a popularity to be like a Madonna or something
like that. I'm just saying, you know, I grew up
with Madona. I love Madonna for example. I'm just saying,
but this is totally different. So if you don't know
what you're doing, start within yourself, look at the mirror
in yourself and say what I can change about myself,
(56:51):
and then start changing. But system fails and makes the errors.
And here system failed because they were actually supporting giving
more publicity of shame to a narcissistic psychopath that was
a born killer.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
And Patty is right. She says to me, it's about
the victims. And that's exactly, that's.
Speaker 4 (57:19):
Exactly, exactly, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
And that's what we were saying, you know, we were
saying a while ago. You know, if he hasn't one,
if he hadn't been released, countless lives would have been saved.
You know, Thank goodness they didn't release him when they
you know, like I said, when they first started campaigning
for his release. You know, at least the judge stuck
(57:46):
to fifteen years because he could have racked up his
a lot of numbers, you know, Daniel, do you have
anything in closing to say tonight?
Speaker 4 (57:58):
Yes, I will, so I'm gonna just tell you because
it is my birthday, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm so
I'm waiting for flowers to come. I still don't know
who is it from. I'm quite excited and I have
some friends and everybody over, but I am preparing a
very special episode that's gonna be coming on Divas Dimension
(58:20):
about year twenty twenty five and the prediction and everything
that's gonna happen in your two twenty twenty five and
you may join it next week from six to seven pm.
So I apologize, but it is my birthday. Thank you
very much. And if you actually didn't see it, please
also go to tea time with Duchess. There, I have
(58:43):
a wonderful interview Angels and Demons with mister doctor Dennis Carroll.
It's gonna be my co host. Text He's gonna be
my co host at least two times per week. So
you're gonna go deeper about the Bible and the ancient
studies and everything. And again, I hope you're all eight,
happy and blessed, and always hug your children and be
(59:05):
there for them, for your family, for your friends, for
your dogs, for your animals. It doesn't matter. I was
there today for my Kiki. I spent more than three
hours at the Red Clinic. It's not because it to them,
maybe it's just a bird. To me is my little daughter.
She's a parrot, but to me, she's everything.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
Yeah, Morgan says, she loves the snow watch statue behind you.
Speaker 4 (59:30):
Oh, thank you, thank you. That was a gift from
my sister. Thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
So that's what happens when Danielle walked outside, all the
birds land on her shoulders and her fingers.
Speaker 4 (59:41):
Oh yes, Actually, I'm gonna bring Kicky next time. She's
going to the molting text. The hair is pulling up.
That's why I had to take her. I was so
scared and I last night I couldn't even sleep. I
was thinking, what's happening here? What's wrong with her? And
she got a bold spotch it's very very beautiful, And
(01:00:01):
you know she's an exotic bird because she's from Australia, Cockatil.
So when I took her to see mister Ian at
Mika's house and he checked her out and he said, no, Danielle,
I'll just give you a special food. She's growing. She's
eighty nine grams. She's pretty healthy. But you know, it's
just part. I felt like, Okay, I can bring now
(01:00:22):
because I was even celebrating my birthday and every time
and I look at her, I'm like, this makes me work,
you know, especially because she's always so fluffy. But he
said they go like to that at least every two
three years. And she's just gonna turn three January second,
so she's very young bird, very very young. Yes, yes,
but I also want to say thank you for all
(01:00:44):
the birthday wishes, thank you for all the blessings. And
you know, it's not about the gift, it's not about
it's about the blessing that comes from each and every
one of you. And I'm pretty blessed to be part
of Texas Front Porch and to love each and every
one of you in chat too, So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Well, thank you, and happy birthday again, thank you. I'm
looking forward to the show next week, so that that's
gonna be I can't wait to see Diva's dimension back.
Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Yes, yes, finally. And I had a pretty crazy schedule.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Oh I know, it's well, you know, both of us
has just been nuts.
Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Thank you, Wendy. She just subbed to daniel to your.
Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
New Thank you very much, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
That is awesome. So y'all be careful out there. We're
going to see you again at eight o'clock. Now what
we're doing. Mary Lynn bast is joining us Now. Mary
Lynn has been on the show a couple of times,
and and Mike is going to be there too. But
mary Lynn is a she's got the same gift as
(01:01:51):
Danielle does. She's a psychic medium, and she's going to
be doing gallery readings, you know, live readings. So y'all
tune in and uh, maybe I'll get her to do
a reading on me. See she's good as good as
Danielle is. Danielle just floors me.
Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
I mean, it's just I'll get these.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Random I'll get these random messages from Danielle. Are you okay?
And it's something that day is bothering me. It's like,
what do you what are you watching me? What's going.
Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
It's a brightis connection you can, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
But anyway, we will see all eight o'clock, me and
Brandy and and mary Lynn and Mike. It's gonna be
a great show. And y'all take care and we'll see
you in an hour, yes,
I got nightmares in my heart.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I fear the hospilled up until I can't hear that
my mind fills up into a creature and it haunts me.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Somewhere much.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to Infamous Minds. Hello everybody, Hello Miss Diva.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hello Hello, I have a little problem. That's why I disappear.
I left my laptop to charge. I thought I plugged
it in, but I didn't, so I'm hoping the battery
will not run out. And I left it and I
thought it was charging, and I probably because you were
(01:16):
doing the Christmas tree and everything. I plugged it, but
I don't know what I plugged it into. So if
it doesn't work, I'll go on to my cell phone.
It's my fault. But it's not. It's not working, so
I it's I did it so and I don't know
how I think because there was too many cables. When
I saw I thought I plugged it in, and then
(01:37):
when I saw it, I'm like, oh, this cable is
not plugged into the main plug. So if it doesn't work,
if I disconnect, then I'll connect on my cell phone.
So I didn't apologize for that.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Wow, look at their ginger. Paranormal has been a member
for five months. Thank you so much. That is all.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Congratulations. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh so it has been It has been a while
since me and you've done this. We've been our lives
have been just crazy lately.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yes, yes, yes, we have a I actually just came
back today. Yeah, my my, my bird cocoteal. She wasn't
feeling well. So I got really really worried, worried for
no reason. It's molding. It's a regular thing. But I
(02:41):
did go and see. Uh see, this is the lady
of the hour. My mom is bringing all the cables.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
This is the goverment that just deserves gold, golden, golden stars.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I will if it disappears, I'll bring another another cable,
no problem. See she's saying, I'm connecting everything. She's trying.
That's that's how lovely my mother is. But I swear
to God, I don't even know how. I don't worry,
is your heart. I have a cell phone. If I
need a connect, I'll connect to the cell phone. Don't stress,
(03:18):
I know, don't worry. I have a cell phone, and
I yeah shaying, wait, I'll try my heart. She's that's
how my mom. Uh and on behalf of my family
I actually I want to say thank you to my family,
to my sister, my mom, my son, my closest friends.
(03:41):
Actually I cannot be Tomorrow is my birthday, but the
celebrated my birthday over the weekend, so they prepare the
cake and the presents, and it was just it's not
about the presents, but the way I was pumpered that day,
and they even uh cooked for me the special food
that I like. I like the roasted barbecue chickens, so
(04:03):
they did that for me with mashed potatoes. So I
was pretty much happy and taking care of.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
So I must say that you know what this means, right, No,
you don't have a clue what's coming. You don't have
a clue. You're muted.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
And then today I've been for a couple of days
worried for my Kiki, and I saw Kiky is a cockatillo,
But the truth was, she's very special because she's yellow,
bright yellow, and then when she's losing her feathers, it
looks like she's becoming bloody on top of the head.
And so more than a couple of times I got
(04:49):
really really worried if my you know, my mom was,
you know, worried and all of us. So today I
took her to the Mika's house and I want to
say also thank you to doctor Ian from the Mika's house.
And we have the chord.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Yay see, she said she's treading, but she got us.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
She got us a chord. We are all connected.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Now, don't don't let her, don't let her leave. I
got something for for you. And I want her there.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
She won't be in front of the camera. She will start,
She'll say, I'm not ready.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
No, I just want I just want her to listen.
I just need her to listen.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Okay, Okay, so here we.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Go, Michael, I'll call her, don't I'll call her my mama, Mama,
give me a second. Well, I will remove myself from
the camera. That okay, so she can watch.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
She just needs to hear. She just needs to be
able to listen.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Okay, give me a second, moms, you take.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
She knows she's I said, you don't have to be
in front of Canada. You just listen the treeish you
can hear she's saying. She's listening.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Now, okay, okay, Well number one, I just I want
I want to I want to say I'm glad she's
feeling a little bit.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
You can say there, nobody will see you up there, yes,
there will. Don't be shy. This is my mom. Why
are you shy? This is my mom. Yes, this is
nice eyes my best friend.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yes, okay, so here we go. Happy birthday two.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Make me cry.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You guys, birthday to you.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Have birthday did and birthday to you.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Thank you so much, Thank you guy, you very much.
See this is that my mom my, and everybody in
a chart. This is the woman that gave life to me,
the strength and made me who I am today. So
I'm very very proud of her. And actually her birthday
is on the twenty first, so it's coming. She said,
(07:40):
she's living now. Thank you so much, thank you very much,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
She's watching from above but upstairs too. It's a beautiful
day for me. And thank you text so much, and
thank you for all the wishes, all the beautiful singing
and you know, all the cards.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Everything to me. That's that's what makes me happy. And
my mom she is my joy. She's my joy and
my pride. So I'm very I'm very happy. That means
tell you otherwise. She doesn't go in front of the Canada.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But well, she did it for me because she loves me.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Oh, yes, she loves you very much. I'm very very
happy to be here. And like I'm saying, she is
a wonderful, wonderful woman, and I'm very proud of her.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So it's been a while since me and you've been
able to do this because both of our lives have
been crazy. Yes, so I'm so glad to finally be
back doing our show again. It's because I enjoy so
much doing doing it live, you know that. And it's
this guy that we're going to talk about is absolutely
(08:55):
I couldn't believe this when I started looking into this guy, uh,
the whole thing. And it's not necessarily him, it's just
the events that led up to what was going on
with him and everything. Because I thought, you know, you've
got the dating game killer and I thought that was nuts,
you know, him being on national TV interview. This this
(09:17):
isn't he ain't got nothing on this guy. This guy
was a minor celebrity, a best selling author.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
But and it's jack Um hum Hunt wigger.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, German, that's a German lawst name.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Right, Yeah, he was now he's in Austria. Well, he
ended up in Austria. He was he was the illegitimate
child of a an Austrian or German waitress and an
(10:01):
American soldier. Yeah, and he didn't have a good life
growing up, and and these and these people that we
talked about rarely do. His mother couldn't take care of him.
(10:22):
She was in and out of jail. He ended up
with his grandfather, which was a He was a womanizer,
and he was not a good guy. Would let the
little kid watch stuff. And I mean, you know, it's
just a bad, bad upbringing. But so he grows up
(10:46):
and he's tooling around with his girlfriend. They see her,
a friend of hers, walking down the road. They stop,
they rob her, then go rob her parents, and then
he takes and his girlfriend's in the car with him
(11:07):
and doing all the stuff with him. He then takes
her friend, they pull over, takes her friend out in
the woods, forces her to strip, does the nasty with
her by force, and beats her with a metal rod. Yeah,
and then strangles her with her own bra.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Now the girlfriend testifies against him and he gets life
in prison. Yep. Now this is where the craziness starts.
(11:53):
And I want, I want to get your opinion on
not his not I mean, he he was. He takes
narcissism to a whole other level. Yeah, but he's very
He didn't have an education. The man's not stupid. He
gets in prison, he learns to read and write. He
(12:14):
ends up writing two best selling books, writes for a
children's program, a very popular one there in Austria. So
and he is like the poster child of being rehabilitated. Okay,
(12:37):
so much so that the artistic community with his books
out and all this kind of stuff with his book,
and they also made a movie called Purgatory about him
in prison and all this kind of stuff. Well, then
the artistic community, we're talking politicians, actors, the whole nine yards,
(13:03):
started protesting for this guy's release because, oh, he's been
rehabilitated and he needs to you know, we can. And
the thing about it is the key point here was
Austria was in the middle of re revamping their their
prison system, their rehabilitation system. Okay, so this was it
(13:29):
was very high pressure. So they let him out. He
did fifteen years. The judge said, I'm not letting him out.
They wanted him out earlier in this but the judge
said no, he's going to do the minimum of fifteen years. Yeah,
but so he gets out in fifteen years now, Danielle,
(13:52):
Why would they do this? This is what I don't understand.
When they let him out, he doesn't have to he
doesn't have to report to parole Losster, he doesn't have
to go see a psychologist or psychiatrist or anything. He's
just out scott free. Why would they do that? Is
there any reasoning behind that?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
You know?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I read about this case and there was a couple
of times mentioning about it on the certain classes and
the seminars U Sometimes I must say, unfortunately there's errors
that are made. But those sometimes errors I think are
made on purpose. Just because you know, he's a first psychopath,
(14:35):
we can say at the modern times and serial killer
that went over different continents and was killing so on
both sides, the countries didn't do too much to prosecute him,
you know, for the these horrible crimes that he was doing.
So one thing that people don't understand, Yes, one thing
(14:56):
that people don't understand basically is that there these crimes
that most of the times, uh, things that are happening.
I have a delivery for you, Oh forgive me that
was somebody is sending me the flowers, and I'm like, okay,
(15:20):
take you a little bit longer, you need somebody send
the flower. So thank you guys whoever it is. So
there we go. Okay. So I'm like, okay, so she's
leaving the message. So uh it is my birthday by
the way, So there you go. So basically, what I
(15:44):
want to say regarding that is that basically we are
having errors that are made in both countries, and sometimes this,
if I can be honest, these errors are made on
the purpose and the reason why. The courage can be
the politics more than it can be the system itself.
(16:06):
So we have to look what was happening in between
those two countries at that time. Was there any for example,
sometimes there's a spying game, sometimes there was a game,
you know, economical game, military game. So it depends. First
of all, we have to go deep into the politics
what was happening between those two countries. Second part that
(16:30):
we must understand you know that lots of times they
don't want to go into each other's if we can
save business, even if they shoot, especially in this kind
of case, so they would rather flush everything around the
toilet forgive my language instead of going deeper, you know,
and let it go down the hill.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Unfortunately, there was more victims because of that. That's my
personal opinion, because nobody wanted to push anybody's buttons, and
it did happen. This is not the first case that
it happened, because for.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Example, Knada made back up because he doesn't want to intervene,
for example, with China when there was that huge issue
with the lady with Wawie Maui whatever the phones are
called forgive me how we wawe don't. I don't even know.
Even if Canadian people were against the ninety nine percent
of it, many politicians back off because this was the
(17:28):
superpower they later live in a BC. Everything kind of
went under the carpet. And the reason why because you
have economical and military now issues here and god knows
what else you know. I'm just saying, so mistake was
done here on both parts of the countries for not
pushing it or going into each other's face regarding this case.
(17:48):
So he gets captured earlier.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
Yeah, because we're.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And like I said this, when he get when he
got released is when it really got crazy. Because they
he was doing television programs. He was the guest of
a lot on this, on this one where they were
talking about prisoner rehabilitation. Oh wow, what the.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Oh my god? Thanks thank you being Mark. Thank you
made my birthday beautiful. Thank you, thank you. It is
my birthday, by the way, thank you. I'm thirty. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So this guy gets released. He's on all these TV shows.
He's like I said, he's he's writing and I think
he's voice actor for children's program and all this kind
of stuff. Meanwhile, just a few months after he got released,
prostitutes start coming up dead and they're all being strangled
(19:16):
and they're all being beaten. And what they're finding out
is they're either strangled with their braw or stockings. And
what they start finding out is the same knot is
tied into everything. Okay, and that comes into play. But
(19:44):
so he gets kind of uh, he gets thrown under suspicion.
But everybody's like, oh no, it can't be him. He's
been rehabilitated. He's such a great guy and everything. While
he's doing these TV shows and these and these murders
start popping up. He's doing these episodes on this TV
(20:06):
show talking about the crimes that he's committing, but nobody
is connecting the dots, and he's on TV talking about
That's every narcissist and psychopaths dream is to be able
to get on TV and talk about what you're doing.
But he's not talking about it as if he's doing it.
(20:27):
He's he's discussing as you know, as consultant on the cases.
It's insane. So these women are coming up dead in Austria,
they're coming up dead in Germany. Well, then he goes
to the United States, he goes to la and he
(20:49):
kills a couple of Then he goes to Florida, I
believe it was, and he killed a couple of girls
in Florida. That's where he gets caught. Now they extra
died him back to Austria and so they've got him
(21:11):
in prison. So before we go, before we go too
far into that, what do you think I mean this
guy's I mean he's a minor celebrity. He is a celebrity,
he's a best selling author, he's on TV. He's like
(21:33):
I said, I wouldn't be surprised if he had joy
gasms when he was talking about his crimes on TV.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
The one thing that we must understand about this gentleman.
Also during that time, there was a huge research all
around the world and in Europe that there is this
particular especially in the in the Germany, Austria and that
kind of area that they're doing the research that they
(22:05):
can actually cure people with these special therapies and that
they will not be turning into psychopaths, killers, uh, you know,
being sexually obsessed and everything. So that's why Also they
let him out, so it was almost like, you know,
show off, this is what we have a we have
(22:27):
a magic pill. We know how to find a solution.
Look like he's he's free. Now he's cure, nothing will
happen again. He is a fantastic member of society. We
must understand that this man was a clear narcissistic manipulator.
Uh you know, and even the way he was killing people,
(22:48):
don't understand when you actually taking a piece of clothing
and you are killing that person from behind. In psychology,
this is also showing your bigness because you don't have
a strength to look the person into the eyes. And
what you're trying to do is actually to take all
of your anger while you're behind person's back, while the
(23:11):
person is suffocating and you know, getting a fixia and
dying from strangulation. It's also sharing another part of him,
and that is that he also have sexuality issues, that
he is very masochistic and shauvinistic, especially over the woman.
All of this goes deep into his profiling. And also
(23:35):
the reason why he probably hates the prostitutes is because
his mother was a prostitute too. So when we put
all of this together in there under one umbrella, we
can see something that most people don't understand is actually
(23:56):
that we live in a very unfortun genthully bad society.
That it's far away from the reality and understanding that
we will be living on the street together with these
rapist psychopaths, niniac serial killers and et cetera. And if
we don't do something, bad things will happen.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Right yeah, no, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
No no, please, go ahead, please.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Go I was just going to say that, So this,
this sounds like something that would happen, you know, back
in the day when they didn't have a whole lot
of when the science wasn't wanted quite there. But this
(24:47):
wasn't that long ago. You know, this was in the nineties,
the mid nineties when this happened early the mid nineties,
and he was suspected of killing twelve to fifteen when
and he only got you only I think he got
busted for nine of them. But this is what's crazy.
(25:08):
In nineteen ninety one, he was hired by an Austrian
magazine to write about crime in Los Angeles and the
differences between US and European attitudes towards prostitution. We met
with local police, was doing right alongs with the police
(25:28):
and Los Angeles and during that time, three sex workers,
Shannon Exley, Irene Rodoriguez and Peggy Booth were all beaten,
assaulted with tree branches you can figure that one out,
and all strangled with their own bras using that same knot. Now,
(25:56):
in his early years were let's back up a little bit,
so because he was in and out of prison at
out of jail at a young age. He was arrested
and convicted sixteen times between nineteen sixty six and nineteen
(26:16):
seventy four. Now, mostly they were theft related defenses, but
he was also busted for being a pimp and assaulting
sex worker and he spent most of that eight years
in prison. So when he got busted for that murdering
(26:37):
the eighteen year old woman, his girlfriend's friend. This wasn't
like his first time to go to prison. This wasn't
the first time that he'd had a violent crime. Nope,
and so and that, like I said, that brings us
up to when he goes to la and he kills
(26:59):
three sex workers. Let's see he uh and see he
killed a young woman. See, and I'm gonna struggle. Maybe
you can do these names better than I can. I'm
not well, I know you can, but blank, Blanca.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Bakova, black clover, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Blackova, and what used to be Czechoslovakia, Yes, and Brune
Hilda master, Am I saying that hotdie hammer? Elfred? Is
that right? Shrimp? Yes, yes, Hey, I'm gonna roll Silver Zegler,
(27:48):
Sabine Mutzel.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah, I'm looking. You're doing good clearing now.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
This is this is gonna this is what is gonna
trip me up. Karen yea earl glu glug earl, guglotskisk Okay,
Regina prim and they were these women were all in
(28:18):
there from twenty to thirty nine. Is you know that age?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
This was all those those women arout there were all
in the first year after his release, while he's going
through all that's the ones where he's doing all these
TV shows and talking about he's discussing these crimes that
he's later convicted for and they were all killed with
the bras, but the same knock tied in them. That
(28:49):
that just amazes me and I can't can you imagine
the level of superiority that that he was feeling when
he's doing this, you know, I mean, it's you know,
(29:11):
we know that Ted Bundy loved the spotlight. Ed Kemper
even loved the spotlight. And when he got busted, when
he turned himself in, he asked the police when I
driveing up, is there's gonna be a lot of press there?
Because he wanted finally to be recognized for something that
he did. That he was he said he wasn't proud
(29:32):
of it, but I think in some way he was.
But a lot of these most of them with the
narcissist attitude, they they craved the spotlight. They crave recognition.
And that's why sometimes you'll see, like Dennis Raider, when
(29:57):
they arrested somebody else for his crimes, he was like,
oh no, no, I he sent a letter no, they
this guy didn't do it. I did this, and here's
the evidence to say I did. You know, he wanted
to make sure that he got the recognition. He even
(30:19):
asked him how many people do I have to kill
to get first page or you know, headlines in the news.
So the narcissistic level of of these of these of
these people is off the charts. This guy was in
heaven as far as the narcissist goes had to be.
(30:45):
And I think that it probably, I mean, they had
to fuel, you know, his drive, don't you think.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah. And one thing that people don't actually understand when
we study this gentleman, if you go deeper into his psyche,
you know, he comes from a very violent past, like
his mother was a prostitute hiding to be a waitress
or making extra money after working in this restaurant. And
(31:22):
then you know father was very severely abusive, and he
was beaten multiple times by his father. He so many
times basically his mother being beaten by his father, and
that she's not worthy and that she's not basically part
(31:42):
of this world, just like this garbage. Basically she's nothing,
she's a cloth. And that's how he treated all of
these ladies and he wanted to take out the anger
of them. Of course I don't agree with that, so
he never got actually helped that he needed, so he
(32:03):
would go deeper and deeper into the trouble and of
course doing the crime when you were eighteen. We must
understand that Gratz was the city in Austria is totally
different than Canada or America, and the system there is
totally different. And the truth that is, their prostitutes are
(32:24):
even treated worse than on these boat continents. So once
when you're labeled, you're labeled for life, and it's even
today like that ninety nine percent of the time. So
and many times if they get a prostitute that's coming
from a different country, she would be you know, sent back,
(32:46):
or she would not be capable of coming back, and
et cetera. So when we're thinking about what's happening here,
I can only tell you that the truth that is,
all of these crimes that he's doing, it was done
out of his severe mental illness that was never addressed.
(33:07):
Somebody who is a psychopath, and it's turning into the
basically severe episodes of aggression, violence, sexual aggression, and abuse
will not end up being cure the like they ever
think there's no cure for that. That's number one. And
(33:29):
another thing, you know, people don't understand texts. But unfortunately,
our men and women in uniform, and I know many
they would arrest these guys, but when it comes to
the court, it's up to the court what they'll decide.
So I cannot even judge their Austrian police or the
American police because they did what they could, but the
(33:50):
court is the one who makes a final decision. It's
not them. So you know, I'm sure he's not the
only one or the last one that went between the
fingers of the you know, of the law. But what
I can say, it breaks my heart for these victims
and the way there is and the way they were
(34:13):
used while everybody was just turning the blind eye to it.
And that's that's what I can say. So it's not
something that you want to see or enjoy or have
one young person or a young lady going through that.
We also must understand that he was very charming, He
(34:35):
knew how to lure them in. He would offer the
money a good payment for their services, and after you know,
he is basically horrible abuse towards to them, physical and sexual.
They would be killed because this was of him releasing themselves.
What many people don't understand that this murder is actually
(34:57):
his release of anger, of something inside, that demonic possession
inside that's telling nobody can understand me. So I will
use this man or a woman to release everything that
is hidden inside of me. So it's quite sad, but that's.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
What happened, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I don't what break and going back to the victims,
like you were saying, what bothers me and breaks my
heart is if if he hadn't gotten released, how many
lives could have been saved? Because I mean the twelve
(35:45):
or fifteen victims are just the ones that we know about.
You know, he was killing so often that it's pretty
safe to say that there's a lot out there that
he didn't that never came to light, you know, because
if he was traveling from Austria to Germany to best
how many other stops did he make?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah? I think there's more than those ones that are
mentioned there. Forgive me much more.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Much more? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Why do you think I.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I as much presser. I get the politics, the political
pressure that they were under to release this guy. I
get that it happens, but I will say this, at
least the judge didn't cave and just let him out
(36:50):
when when they first started campaigning for his release, he
stuck to his guns and at least made him serve
fifteen years if he had let him out when they
first started camp painting for his release. There's no telling
how many victims we be talking about exactly, you know,
he we may be talking Gary Ridgeway numbers here if
(37:11):
if that was the case, if he had gotten out earlier,
you know. And what was crazy is what happened after
he after they extra dized him, because they put him
under surveillance here in the States, and then they caught
him and then they extra died him back to Austria. Yes,
(37:34):
he stood, you know, he stood trial for the crimes
there in Austria. And so the way I understand it
from what I've read, he was never convicted of killing
the women over here in the States, just the women
in in Austria, because well they'd have probably put him
(37:58):
to death over here. They put him in life they
you know, they convicted him again life in prison. Yeah,
when he got convicted for those nine murders over there
in Austria. Now, I was surprised to hear what he
(38:23):
did after he got caught, just days after he got
caught and convicted. Yes, because I didn't think and what
he did. He he hung hisself in his cell. Yeah,
and used the same knot that he used to kill
the women. He tied the same knot in the what
(38:48):
he used to strangle him hard to hang himself. I
think it was his It was his shoelaces. And there
was something else that he used, Oh, draw strings out
of his pants, draw strings out of his ants, and
a combination of that in his shoe string, his boots,
boot strings or whatever. Number one. I thought they took
all that stuff away from you, along with your belt
(39:09):
and everything else. But he was also left alone in
his cell. Nobody was watching him. You know how many
times have we heard that? You know, he got epstein,
but he tied the same knot. This is either poetic
(39:31):
justice or he did it himself. Now I'm not convinced.
I'm not really convinced that he did it himself. But
because I think I as narcissistic as this guy was.
(39:52):
Do you well, I mean, do you think I mean,
what what do you think do you think he did himself?
You think somebody killed him made it look like he did.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
This was now very shameful for Austria, and we must understand,
you know, being part of the United Nations and everything,
and we're talking about nineteen nineties, how come you have
this psychopath coming in and killing the woman. Prior to
that you glorify him. He was on the TV and everything.
(40:21):
So personally, I think it's an inside job. That's just
might think and the reason why he wouldn't be the
first one or the last one that finished that way.
So you know, even for Epstein, personally, I have totally
different opinion about it, you know, and I don't believe
(40:43):
in the world that it's said, and I wouldn't be
even surprised that tomorrow they say that pup Daddy did
the same to himself, because it's just when you have
somebody that's exploited so much onto the TV media and
the power around the other people support and then this
(41:03):
would be great basically for the time to shut him down.
And you have two countries that basically now they're digging
the hole to find the self out what happened here.
So I personally think he found a way to the
other side, in a totally different direction than killing themselves.
(41:26):
And we must understand Austria has a really tough law too.
They are strong countries, so not to do a strip
search to remove those things and everything watching for the
school side. He's a psycho. But many things there don't
make a sense. So it's it possible that there or
is made. I wasn't there. Maybe he wasn't done on purpose.
(41:47):
Maybe was he killed by somebody? My opinion ninety nine
percent he was.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, I don't, I just I don't see his norse
SYSM letting him do this.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah, And he loved himself too much to do so.
He was so much and loved himself, so it will
be like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm too precious,
uh and too well known now to end up my life.
He will never do that.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
If you if you look at the pictures of him,
you know, doing these TV shows and stuff, he's got
such a smug look on his face.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Very creepy actually.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, absolutely, very cheap, you know, wearing all white suits
and everything.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
It's like, and you must understand Austrian people are really sharp. Uh.
They present themselves with the power with the knowledge. And
now you have this guy, he's, you know, recovering from
being a killer and everything. Okay, dress him up, impress
(42:58):
the people, so he the entire machine, be kind of himself.
He wasn't alone. So that's why certain things needed to
be shut up. And this is going to be done
that way. And it's too sad to see that. Lots
of times system works this way.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
I know, I have a hiccups and I'm trying. I'm
trying more high.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's it's uh, it made well. Another thing that really
just clows my mind is how much they fed his ego.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Oh yeah, that's that's what's the problem. And that's what
I'm That's what I'm saying. Uh. Basically, they glorify him.
He's cured, he is the best our treatment war. Everybody
is going to bow to us. We found a solution
for psychopath. He's not gonna ever do it again. Now.
(44:07):
The treatment failed. Everybody failed, and don't forget. We must
understand that. I'm gonna be quite forward with this. Germans
and Austrians are very similar. They have very strong medicine,
they have a really strong military. But I'm going to
talk about the medical part of it. They did a
(44:27):
lots of research even during the World War two and
during the World War One, like some of the women
of my family members were part of and brutally killed
in those concentration comes. So what I want to say,
they do have smart people behind that. They have a
knowledge or they have a gaps that are not finished
unfortunately in those concentration comes, so they're going deeper. That's why,
(44:51):
for example, Germany has the best medicine because most of
the testing was done in humans. They have this mythology perfumes, shampoos,
this is why unfortunate ladies and gentlemen. That was part
of the history. That's how it was done. So I
wouldn't be surprised that, you know, they did a lots
of brain studies too, So I wouldn't be surprised that
(45:15):
somebody out there that's not even written inside of these books,
we're doing some kind of research to do rehabilitation. I personally,
I'm going to share something if that's okay. Texture Yeah,
A couple couple of years ago, I was attending the
(45:35):
seminar and the training and they were actually trying to
tell us how people that were offenders pedophiles and et cetera.
You know after certain times will be let go. Especially
must understand Canada doesn't have we don't have little injections,
we don't have that penalty, hanging square, shooting.
Speaker 6 (45:58):
None of that.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
So the longest you can have twenty five years. And
so I was sitting there and I was listening. And
then I was younger, maybe about six seven years younger.
I still didn't have my son, but still I was
a child advocated and I still am and I'm proud
(46:18):
of that. And then the gentleman who was a counselor
in one of the centers said something that shocked me.
So they said, they have two to three hours when
they go from these centers to places where they need
to work. If they don't report after two three hours,
then the squad that it's going after these particular people
(46:42):
that defense these crimes will go and look for them.
So I'm just sitting there and I'm calculating. I'm looking
in my head. I saw many schools. I saw my
cousins already had the kids. At that time, I was
thinking about Liloguran and Danielle because she has my name.
I was thinking of many kids that I don't even know,
(47:06):
so I put it goes like, do you have a question,
and I said, yes, sir, sir, I have a question.
And I said, so you tell me they're missing for
two to three hours, and after two three hours you
are going to start searching for them. And he goes like, yeah, yeah,
that's when we start searching for them. I turned around
and the room was full, and I said, excuse me, everybody.
(47:29):
I don't know if you all know me, and it
doesn't matter. I said, my name is Danielle. How many
of you have children? More than ninety percent of the
room pull the hands up. I said, I don't have
a child. Then at that time, I didn't have a child.
I said, but I cannot listen to this. Neither will
I support any kind of counseling or recovery of pedophiles
(47:53):
or somebody who is out there for two three hours.
And I said, how you can do this in front
of everybody? He said to me, I get paid for it.
I packed my laptop and I left. More than eighty
percent of the room just back and left many of
people that I didn't know. People started to contact me
and they said I never thought about that, So it
(48:14):
takes a guts. I was sent there by the agency
so they could say, you know, you're not gonna work anymore,
we're gonna take your license away. We send you there
to listen. We didn't send you there to advocate. But
I took my own decision to say, hey, how you
(48:35):
can listen to this? How you can say they can
be cured? And where are they for two three hours
going around the schools and around that, you know, because
that's where I usually go, around the parks and whatever.
And he didn't have an answer for it. And I said,
you know, pophilia cannot be cured, and he said, yeah,
that's correct. So I said, so, how you can listen
(48:55):
to that? And he said to me, will I get paid?
And I just grabbed my LuFe, my lab. So I
think the reason why I'm bringing this story up, I
think nobody had guts to stand up and say, hey,
he shouldn't be on TV, he shouldn't be writing about
these poor women that they make horrible choices. I'm not judging,
(49:18):
neither do I have a right to judge. I'm not
a god. I'm a human being. I'm a sinner. I'm
made out of the flesh and meat. I don't have
swings or any special powers, so you know, they already
took and posed themselves in a very horrible position. But
it took a one person at least to say something,
(49:41):
but nobody did because they all were worried for themselves.
And I'm not saying you shouldn't go against what they're told.
Of course, they're all born free to make up. But
that was my decision at that time, right, So you're
not gonna tell me that. You know, they had cameraman's there,
(50:02):
they had reporters, people that were putting all these stories
out and whatever one of them could at least refuse
or question it. But to me, it doesn't look like
anybody did. And I agree with Miss Morgan. Mostly people
are about the money. I was getting paid that day too,
Miss Morgan, to sit and to listen to seminar and
(50:23):
to learn from it. But I wasn't sure what I'm
going to learn about that. You're telling me. You know
that they're gone for two three hours, start rapping the kitsen.
We all come back home, and after two three hours
we'll have an umber alert. Oops, somebody is missing.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
So yeah, we are. I don't I don't understand letting them.
I mean, if if you're confining them in the first place,
but you're going to let them and they go to work,
you know, and but how you can just give them
that big of a window unsupervised and and everything doesn't
(51:02):
make any sense at all. You're you're letting them go
do their thing that they're institutionalized for in the first place.
If you don't think they're doing it, you're you're crazy.
Because it's like, uh, because yeah, yeah, shocks that ye
(51:24):
because he'd given this seminar before. I'm sure, oh he
probably did.
Speaker 4 (51:29):
I'm sure yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
And I'm shocked that nobody had brought that up, because
it seems it's it's rocked there in your face. It's
so blatant.
Speaker 5 (51:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
I apology for bringing it up, And it wasn't for me.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
I didn't have nothing to do with it. To me,
I was speaking for the kids, for the families, for
for for for many of the people there. And I'm like,
wait a second, and you know, my brain just started clicking,
and I'm like, ten minutes ago you said there's no
treatment for it. Ten minutes ago you said they all
have to be constantly washed and monitored. Ten minutes ago.
(52:06):
There was like he's drawing on the board, showing us
all different kinds of things, you know, and we're all like, oh,
my lord. And then after that is thinking, oh, he's gone,
you know, go for a work and after two three hours,
if he's not already, what kind of crime they to do,
(52:26):
you know? And it takes a second. But unfortunately, I
think that's what happened with this gentleman too. Nobody maybe
somebody did and they told them to shut up because
they'll lose the job. I'm not saying maybe maybe somebody
did say something. Yeah, but the truth what is most
of the people will not say anything, and they would
(52:47):
just turn around and walk away. So we are the
one that make difference. We are the one who are
looking for the future of next generation for their very
If we make a mission, take let's fix it so
they can learn from out. Well, there's so much unfortunately,
(53:08):
it's pretty high. Uh uh yeah, I mean you know,
and it's very bad.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, because it's just not the States, it's just not Canada,
it's all over the all over the world, in every country.
There's so many systems that are broken that the people
that are actually mentally ill very rarely get the help
they need, you know. For for every for every you
(53:39):
know one that you're able to help you and in
your facility y'all are able to help, there's probably a
thousand that's not getting.
Speaker 6 (53:47):
Help, you know.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
And it's even worse over here, I think.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
And even there, I see the systems failing. Like we
have conferences, the clinic, uh, the mental health transitioning or
you know you away, it doesn't matter, and it can
be downtown Royal alex I can mention many different names.
And as we meet and we discussed, I see many errors.
(54:15):
And I know some wonderful people that sit down and
they say we try, and I go like, but our
hands are tied after a certain level. And then for
example it's another system of a governmental sponsorship or whatever,
and you go like, wow, the system really did fail
(54:38):
this person and now they're lost forever. We recently did
one case where we fight for this person, and after
we got people involved, I'm glad that we did win.
But it took more than a couple of weeks for
all of us to sit there, sit there to fight
for this person and for the well being of this person.
(55:00):
But again, it was more about the money than it
was about what this patient needs. So it's always the
money and the cost, of course that's important, but compassion, humanity,
it was lost a long time ago. So unfortunately that's
what we even did. I'm sorry, I'm gonna bring something up.
(55:23):
If you guys didn't see it on my other channel,
we did touch that up on the Angels and Demonsticks
with doctor Carroll, Dennis Carroll. If you didn't see it,
you can see my interview on Tea Time with Duchess.
That isn't why I'm mentioning this is because there we
mentioned a lot about humanity, about basically demons, just like
(55:44):
this gentleman. What he was than a demon working among
the people and killing this innocent rooman, even their prostitute.
Who you are to take the life away? Who you
are to give them the judgment? You know, we are
nothing and nobody like I'm saying. We don't have a
halo above our heads. We are just normal human beings
(56:04):
like everybody else. Thank you, Gary, and thank you for
being there. But you know that's what I'm saying to me,
It's not about the money. It's not about if you
have thousand followers, three thousand and seven thousand to me,
I even said this to pro texts. I said, it's
about spending the message and making a difference. That's to
(56:28):
me what's important. And to some people, you know, more
like a popularity to be like a Madonna or something
like that. I'm just saying, you know, I grew up
with Madona. I love Madonna for example. I'm just saying,
but this is totally different. So if you don't know
what you're doing, start within yourself, look at the mirror
in yourself and say what I can change about myself,
(56:51):
and then start changing. But system fails and makes the errors.
And here system failed because they were actually supporting giving
more publicity of shame to a narcissistic psychopath that was
a born killer.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
And Patty is right. She says to me, it's about
the victims. And that's exactly, that's.
Speaker 4 (57:19):
Exactly, exactly, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
And that's what we were saying, you know, we were
saying a while ago. You know, if he hasn't one,
if he hadn't been released, countless lives would have been saved.
You know, Thank goodness they didn't release him when they
you know, like I said, when they first started campaigning
for his release. You know, at least the judge stuck
(57:46):
to fifteen years because he could have racked up his
a lot of numbers, you know, Daniel, do you have
anything in closing to say tonight?
Speaker 4 (57:58):
Yes, I will, so I'm gonna just tell you because
it is my birthday, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm so
I'm waiting for flowers to come. I still don't know
who is it from. I'm quite excited and I have
some friends and everybody over, but I am preparing a
very special episode that's gonna be coming on Divas Dimension
(58:20):
about year twenty twenty five and the prediction and everything
that's gonna happen in your two twenty twenty five and
you may join it next week from six to seven pm.
So I apologize, but it is my birthday. Thank you
very much. And if you actually didn't see it, please
also go to tea time with Duchess. There, I have
(58:43):
a wonderful interview Angels and Demons with mister doctor Dennis Carroll.
It's gonna be my co host. Text He's gonna be
my co host at least two times per week. So
you're gonna go deeper about the Bible and the ancient
studies and everything. And again, I hope you're all eight,
happy and blessed, and always hug your children and be
(59:05):
there for them, for your family, for your friends, for
your dogs, for your animals. It doesn't matter. I was
there today for my Kiki. I spent more than three
hours at the Red Clinic. It's not because it to them,
maybe it's just a bird. To me is my little daughter.
She's a parrot, but to me, she's everything.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
Yeah, Morgan says, she loves the snow watch statue behind you.
Speaker 4 (59:30):
Oh, thank you, thank you. That was a gift from
my sister. Thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
So that's what happens when Danielle walked outside, all the
birds land on her shoulders and her fingers.
Speaker 4 (59:41):
Oh yes, Actually, I'm gonna bring Kicky next time. She's
going to the molting text. The hair is pulling up.
That's why I had to take her. I was so
scared and I last night I couldn't even sleep. I
was thinking, what's happening here? What's wrong with her? And
she got a bold spotch it's very very beautiful, And
(01:00:01):
you know she's an exotic bird because she's from Australia, Cockatil.
So when I took her to see mister Ian at
Mika's house and he checked her out and he said, no, Danielle,
I'll just give you a special food. She's growing. She's
eighty nine grams. She's pretty healthy. But you know, it's
just part. I felt like, Okay, I can bring now
(01:00:22):
because I was even celebrating my birthday and every time
and I look at her, I'm like, this makes me work,
you know, especially because she's always so fluffy. But he
said they go like to that at least every two
three years. And she's just gonna turn three January second,
so she's very young bird, very very young. Yes, yes,
but I also want to say thank you for all
(01:00:44):
the birthday wishes, thank you for all the blessings. And
you know, it's not about the gift, it's not about
it's about the blessing that comes from each and every
one of you. And I'm pretty blessed to be part
of Texas Front Porch and to love each and every
one of you in chat too, So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Well, thank you, and happy birthday again, thank you. I'm
looking forward to the show next week, so that that's
gonna be I can't wait to see Diva's dimension back.
Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Yes, yes, finally. And I had a pretty crazy schedule.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Oh I know, it's well, you know, both of us
has just been nuts.
Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Thank you, Wendy. She just subbed to daniel to your.
Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
New Thank you very much, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
That is awesome. So y'all be careful out there. We're
going to see you again at eight o'clock. Now what
we're doing. Mary Lynn bast is joining us Now. Mary
Lynn has been on the show a couple of times,
and and Mike is going to be there too. But
mary Lynn is a she's got the same gift as
(01:01:51):
Danielle does. She's a psychic medium, and she's going to
be doing gallery readings, you know, live readings. So y'all
tune in and uh, maybe I'll get her to do
a reading on me. See she's good as good as
Danielle is. Danielle just floors me.
Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
I mean, it's just I'll get these.
Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Random I'll get these random messages from Danielle. Are you okay?
And it's something that day is bothering me. It's like,
what do you what are you watching me? What's going.
Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
It's a brightis connection you can, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
But anyway, we will see all eight o'clock, me and
Brandy and and mary Lynn and Mike. It's gonna be
a great show. And y'all take care and we'll see
you in an hour, yes,
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