Infamous Minds - Ep 51 - Jonbenet Ramsey who did it?

Danielle and Tex discuss the case of Jonbenet Ramsey

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Episode Transcript

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Speaker 8 (12:28):
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fills up into a creature and it hunts me somewhere much.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Welcome to Infamous Minds. It helps if you take the

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overlay off. So people are going to see you, folks.
How y'all doing. We're getting really close to Christmas. I
have a little bit of news for y'all. Danielle is
on her way. So we kind of did this on

(13:22):
the start of the moment because you know, everybody's got
stuff going and and we're trying to you know, get
our content out there for y'all and and and try
to play around each other's activities. So we're making it work.
We're making it work. We're gonna do this show and

(13:43):
then tonight at eight. Of course, we got the front porchs.
I believe Danielle is recorded a Divas dimension, so that
will be coming out.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
And then.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
I don't know, it's very possible. You might you a
nine out at night. I will be doing a Christmas
Eve show, in a Christmas Day show. I don't know
what time they're gonna be. Like I said, I got
to kind of playing around everybody else's activities. But if

(14:22):
you don't have anything going, you know, if you've already
done your Christmas with your family or your friends, or
or you know they're out of pocket or you know whatever,
you know how stuff goes, or I'm gonna I'm gonna
invite y'all to join us or join me. I don't
know if anybody will be coming on with me for
Christmas even Christmas Day because you know, we you know,

(14:44):
people have stuff going. But I will be doing There
will definitely to be front port shows both days. So
y'all can come hang out with me if you're not
doing anything, and uh, we'll figure something out. You know,
we may do talking about some criminal stuff, well maybe
talking about some ghost stuff, some cryptid stuff, just a

(15:06):
little bit of everything and just spend time together. That's
what we're gonna do. Really, I can't guarantee that I
won't have a drink while we're doing that. I ain't
gonna get slashy drunk, but I might have a drink
or two too, you know, sociable life. Today we're gonna

(15:34):
talk about John Benet Ramsey. This is something This is
a topic that we haven't touched on. We haven't discussed
for a few reasons. One I get mad every time

(15:58):
I talk about it. But two is it's there's so
many theories out there what happened. I've got my own,
just like Everybolse does. It's a very tragic thing, but

(16:24):
I think it needs to be talked about it. I
think that, you know, as far as myself, the lay
person's view needs to be put out there, and we're
we're also going to get the pressure for professionalist point
of view coming from Danielle and I don't know. We
don't know what each other's theories are about this. We
really don't. We've never talked about it a lot in private,

(16:47):
so we may have totally different theories on who did this.
I don't know, but we're going to dive into it,
and we don't have a we don't have a time
limit today. We're just gonna do what we want to do.
Is however, as long as we want to do it.
If you have any questions or comments, please put them

(17:08):
in all caps and I'll try to pay attention on
what's going on and catch them. Uh there is I
just did draw. I just dropped the video last night,
made it public last night. Y'all had asked me to
narrate that story. I did it. It's called the Missing Cookies.

(17:34):
It's it's titled a Christmas Ghostly Encounter is what it's
called on the on the show on the on the channel.
But yeah, go out there and check it out. It's
only about thirteen minutes long, so it's and it might
be something y'all can sit around as you know, as
a family or you know, sit around there on Christmas

(17:54):
Eve and listen to a kind of a spooky story.
But but it's got a great message, and uh it's
a sweet story, but it's a spooky story. I like
it a lot. A guy named Craig Dominie wrote it,
and I don't know it just when the first time

(18:20):
I read it, it just really kind of touched me.
So y'all give it a listen, give me a thumbs
up if you want thumbs down, whatever, I get it.
But let's uh, let's go with the basics of this case.

(18:45):
While we're waiting on Danielle to get here, I'm going
to start highlighting y'all's comments. And here I see y'all
already rolled a few out and stuff we can talk
about and any of the anybody that's.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
There she is. She has just jumped in here, looking
beautiful as always. She's waving at me, she's adjusting her seat,

(19:40):
she's getting ready to launch. She's waving at me again. Okay,
so I guess she's waiting on me to bring her up,
so I'll do that.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Oh Hello, Hello, Hi everybody. How everybody is doing?

Speaker 4 (20:00):
How are you? You're busy this week?

Speaker 7 (20:05):
I have a lots of things on my shoulders. Actually
I am running three places, not one, so I'm trying
to cover for many things. First of all, basically, uh,
you know, I'm covering four operation manager uh, our mental

(20:26):
health and basically transitioning. Then I'm covering the clinic, uh.
And then I'm also helping out the church, so I
have many things running around, so it's quite crazy. I
just finished between that talking to the crisis line regarding
one huge case that we are dealing right now, and

(20:48):
then after this, I was actually just recording Diva's dimension.
So Diva's Dimension is just recorded a text. This one
is straight and forward about year twenty twenty five. Something
that I prepared. You guys know, I always come prepared,

(21:09):
and every single prophecy in there is true, and it's
telling us what to expect in year twenty twenty five.
What can be your armor and your weapon against this
darkness and the things that will happen. It's actually pretty simple.
So and I want to say good evening too, everybody,

(21:30):
you know, to Sandra, Piromedics, Murphy, Denise, Sandra Piper, you know,
I also Gary, my great friend, Lilo, Patty, Donnie, Hello, Donnie,
forgive me. I just finished the recording. So next week
you and I will, or after the new year. Yeah,
after the new year, you and I will. The new

(21:51):
year is coming very fast. Will do a special thing,
maybe e when we involve something that you know? Who
else do we have here? Pont George, Hello, there's a
lot of people in here. Smurphy, Hello Smurphy. So I'm
quite it's a quite busy week for me. I will

(22:16):
be finished finally and free after the Friday. I am
on call for Christmas. For Christmas day and Boxing Day.
I will be free on Friday after eight thirty pm
and I will be resting then. So that's that's gonna
be my thick And is it okay if I share something.

Speaker 8 (22:39):
With you.

Speaker 7 (22:41):
And with everybody? Well, of course okay, so on behalf
of myself, behalf of my family. And you know I
know Texas Front Porch two. I wanna say and tea
time with Duchess. But first of all, I want to

(23:02):
wish a happy birthday to my wonderful mother, to a
great woman that inspires me and many that I love
and cherish so much, that made me who I am
today and the hero of many. And she's a great mother,
great grandma, a great woman and my best friend. Happy birthday, Mom,

(23:28):
I love you very much.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Happy birthday.

Speaker 7 (23:33):
See you know today she saw me for the first time.
I'm going to tell you something text, but first time
she saw me, I brought a lot of work at
home from doctor wag, from this dog, from that dog,
from everybody, and she saw me and she was like wow,
because she always sees me when I come home and

(23:54):
sometimes I have some files or something to work with.
But this time she saw me home, I work and
I said her mom. I'm used to this. This is
what I do every day, and I do the counseling
on the side, the case conferences, arrangements, and she will
look at me and I said, I run the floors
right the unit, go to the clinic, and she goes wow.

(24:15):
I said, yeah, I enjoy my work. I must say,
I'm pretty happy. I love my work. But sometimes, of course,
for the first time my mom saw me this time
really just going straight forward to the night I'm on called,
to the day I'm on calling. She's looking at me.
You know, I do that lots of times with the

(24:36):
clinic too, and she goes like wow, because this time
I have all three places under me running and she
goes like wow, and she goes, this is too much.
I said, mom, I'm used to it. So she made
me to be a strong woman that I am today,
and I'm very very proud of her. Happy birthdays, Asa
will love you very very much.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Should sing happy birthday to her?

Speaker 7 (25:03):
Well, sure we can sing together one, two, three day
to you have birth day two, Happy.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Day, the.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
Big birthday, love many more.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Oh you know what.

Speaker 7 (25:32):
She she's in tears. She's a woman that I am saying,
you know I wouldn't be who I am today without her.
So today, thank you simple, Happy birthday Mama. She is
a great mama. I'm telling you, fantastic lady. You know
I'm very, very proud of her. Mister text today, you

(25:58):
asked me to choose interesting. I did, and I choose
the case.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, before we get into that, I want to acknowledge
something on a PDEGO. I hope I said that right,
and if I didn't, I'm so sorry, says. We just
actually got back to Kentucky from Texas at four am
this morning, flew into San They flew from San Antonio

(26:26):
to d f W, which is my hometown, to Nashville
and drove home. Our youngest boy graduated Air Force boot Camp. Congratulations,
congrations us on a thank you for his service. And
then they went to the the They went to the Alamo,

(26:47):
they went to the river Walk at night the Christmas lights,
and hit the zoo and they loved it. So I'm
glad you. I'm glad you liked it down here in Texas.
I'm sorry that that we couldn't have got together, but
I understand we we have. Everybody's what a what a time.
You know, we I graduated basic right around this time

(27:10):
of year too, you I did. Yeah. In fact, the
night before the night before we graduated basics basic training,
we bombed back dead. We were we were in our
barracks and we were putting on our civilian clothes for
the first time in weeks, you know, months, and kind

(27:33):
of have an on little celebration, had the radio on
for the first time, and that's how we all found out. Yeah,
they interrupted the program and said, we just bombed back dead,
and you could have heard a pin drop, and the
drill sergeants came up and they said, okay, we're going
to everybody's meeting down in the classrooms. And what happened

(27:59):
was they cut every body schools in half and shift
everybody off in half the time they were supposed to
be there, canceled all the holidays everything. It's crazy. But yeah,
now getting back to real quick, we do have you know,

(28:20):
don't forget about the conference. Let me pop that up
real quick.

Speaker 7 (28:24):
I'm going to do it right now.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
We don't do that. Yeah, I'm gonna drop so you
can get your tickets. There's the website. Thank you Pops
for posting that, or really that's awesome. It's the Crossing
Realms Conference and Eagle at the Eagleton Civic Center in Richmond, Missouri,

(28:49):
September nineteenth and twentieth. We will all be there. The
whole crew is going to be there and we are
oh Man is going to It's gonna be awesome. We
me and Daniel will be We're going to be at

(29:09):
the same table. We're going to have her book there.
She's gonna be doing readings. I'm really excited about this.

Speaker 7 (29:16):
I'm hoping both of the other books will come out,
but I think it's a Christmas and lots of things.
You know, they're already basically sending and paid for, so
now it's up to them. But you know, it takes
a little bit time, and they always say we are apologizing.
I know they're working hard, and you know it's kind
of hard for but I'm hoping because we have enough

(29:38):
time now. And I told them before this we must
have it, and they said, no problem then for sure,
So I gave them the deadline. So I'm looking forward
to that and my second book. I'm quite excited for.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
So yeah, and I'm thinking I'm I'm going to try
really hard to get my first solo book out that
will be beautiful, beautiful, It's I was in I'm in
the middle of writing a couple of books. I'm writing

(30:11):
a fictional story, but I'm also writing the journey that
the whole not just myself, it's the whole team. You
included that over the past eight years that I that
I've been on meeting all of y'all, going out in

(30:32):
the field, getting all the having all these experience, all
the way up until the point we got these fingerprints
that are so awesome. Yes, yes, And that's gonna be
the that's that's gonna be my first book right there,
and then I'm going to take off. You know, if
I do a second book, I'll do a second book
from that point in what happens. So it's gonna be
the journey of me meeting everybody, and because so much

(30:57):
stuff has happened, you know, over the over the past
almost decade now, it's absolutely so crazy. It's been that long,
and there's so many people that's going to be involved
in this book, and it's you're gonna find out a
lot of stuff behind this, from behind the scenes, that
that's that has happened along the way. But it's I'm

(31:25):
looking forward to I'm really going to try to have
it out by the the conference comes around. So yeah,
but this case, I'm I interrupted you, and I'm sorry,
but everybody, I was telling everybody there was a few
reasons that we haven't touched on this case. For me,

(31:46):
I get riled up every time I talk about this
case because it's it's it's it's disturbing the fact that
it's still officially unsolved just rhymes my.

Speaker 9 (32:00):
Gears, okay, and it is it is something that basically
makes me think, you know, and the reason.

Speaker 7 (32:16):
Why I won't attach this case. I want to tell
you why lots of times cases got forgotten. And when
we think about the Christmas, we think about all of
the beautiful things, the presents and the gifts. There's many

(32:37):
things that said. In my mind, I think about people,
you know, forgetting me that they are homeless, that are
dealing with crisises right now, like I'm being part of
those themes too, the people that are suffering from post
traumatic stress disorder, but also and many other illnesses, surgeries
and et cetera. My healing, my prayers and my best

(32:59):
wishes go towards to all of you. But then he
also I'm thinking about ones that are my cases sometimes
when I speak, when I do the conferences and etc.
Especially the one that always stays inside of my heart
is a little John Bennette Ramsey, a beautiful girl. You

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know she will be over thirty now, imagine you know, yeah,
she'll be thirty four, Yeah, thirty four. John Bennette Ramsey
was six year old when she was killed, you know,
seven hundred block Fifteenth Street on December twenty sixth nineteen
ninety six. She was later firm dead in her family home,

(33:49):
and the autopsy relieve that she died from strangulation. That
case up to today, you guys, even now, I wish
you can see me text. I get goosebumps all over
my body thinking how brutally that beautiful young child did

(34:10):
finish her life. And you know, it just breaks my
heart into pieces. You know, her parents, Patty and John
ver suspect too. In my head, I have my own suspect,
and I'll explain you why she's buried. I don't know

(34:31):
how many times that poor girl was digged. And you
know now, in saying to James Episcopole Church in Georgia,
it's just quite sad and I want to mention exploitation
of the children. I want to mention what's happening and
what kind of world are we living in.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Yeah, it's very sad the way you know her. I
will say this, and I know it's hard to put
a positive spin on this, but about the only thing
I can come up with is that the fact that

(35:17):
she hasn't been forgotten. Yeah, she's very very much still
kind of in the forefront of things when when we
when it comes to unsolved cases, that's one of the
most famous ones. And she mhm, thank you, Smurphy. Thank

(35:43):
you so much, Smurfy for some of the season doesn't
season doesn't always bring joy. Remember that no matter what
we desire acquire losing life, nothing is more valuable than
what we were born with, love shared by those around us. Absolutely,
that is number one. Absolutely, Thank you Murphy so much.

(36:08):
It it boggles my mind that this, this is unsolved,
How they how they do not have somebody in prison
for this? And and we haven't talked about this. I

(36:29):
was telling everybody before you jumped on that we haven't
talked about this really privately. So your suspect of mine,
we don't know who each each other who's each other's
suspect is main suspect. I have two possibilities. But and
we'll get to that a little later. But yeah, I want,

(36:49):
I want to uh And I think I think it's great.
And I said this earlier. Ivan's great. We get the
layman's view on these cases, which is mine, and we
get the professional view, which is yours. I'm no professional.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
You are, I'm not. We make a team.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
We do, we do, so we we get we get
both sides of it, you know. And Okay, So I
thought I had another I thought I had another wardrobe
malfunction the other day, folks. The other day, I was

(37:35):
getting dressed and I'm putting on these underwear and I'm like, what, God,
these things are so tight? What I can't wear? Well,
there was a reason they were my wife's underwear. Oh lord,

(37:57):
I thought she had bought me some new underwear.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Oh lord. But now, and I was just looking and
I'm like, I thought I had my shirt on his
side out. But I'm folks, I swear I'm not going
nuts and I'm not losing. I'm not losing. I can
still dress myself. I just have my moments.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
We all do. We all do.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
This case is I think the I know, I know
I'm beating a dead horse here, but it just it
confounds me and frustrates me to no end. That it's
that they don't have somebody in prison for this. I
don't get it.

Speaker 7 (38:45):
I actually think it's all cooked up.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
So please go on with what you were saying. I
keep interrupting you, and I do a ponent no.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
No, no no.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
So you know, we all know the story about Lila
John Bennette and how she was killed. Basically, so she
was a child, beauty, she was exploited all around, you know.
We all know about that. She was tragically found dead
in her family home. You know, and basically she was

(39:18):
six year old. And the siblings she has Burke Ramsey,
Elizabeth pass Ramsey and Melinda so Berke is was the
one living with her inside of the house aded to
her from the previous managers. So those two are not
gonna put so much inside of the picture. So really

(39:40):
to put a scenario really shortly, you know, in the case,
we all know how the child was found, how there
was a note, how they were asking exactly for amount
of the money, and the list goes on. I went
into this case and out many times. First of all,

(40:02):
I don't think one woman should exploit her child like
Patsy did. I think Patsy was still living her adulthood
through this child getting all the attention. It doesn't matter.
Was that the negative or positive, you know, exploiting the
child to all of these pedophiles, children, maniacs, and et cetera.

(40:25):
When it's you know, coming to Lila Jon Benette, she
was lots of times exploited and dressed brilliant, properly. I'm
not talking about dressed up like a Barbie doll. I
saw some pictures that I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Oh yeah, just.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (40:45):
Yeah, it was very wrong. So, you know, it was
quite disturbing. So this little child, a beauty queen, was
killed at the age of six, you know, and basically
on the night of December twenty five, nineteen ninety six.
Her body was found in the basement about seven hours

(41:07):
after has been reported missing. She stayed broken skull, she
had major head trauma, broken at there was a tie
around her neck too. Autopsy reported that she died from
a six year or a straugulatian and kind of Sabril trauma,
so from trauma of the brain. This was all over

(41:32):
the world. And what I can tell you what to
me was very interesting the way how.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
You know she.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
Was getting the attention not just of the world, but
of the family too. First of all, like I'm saying,
Patsy and the Papa both exploited. Patsy was the ruler
who exploited this little girl on a platter to rest
of the world to be eaten by these children penophiles
and list goes on. Second of all, what I can say,

(42:08):
I really really don't like her brother, right Burke. I
did a lots of research on Burke, not just for
this but for other cases and presentations that I was doing.
Burke is somebody who is a typical child, who's craving
for attention, who was full of envy and jealousy. And yes,

(42:34):
John Bennette was sexually assaulted too. She was found in
the underwear of her friend. And it's quite common, you know,
when kids go for sleepovers whatever, if they you're in
they say boy themselves, you know, oh you are my
you know friends. These are innocent children, so boring the

(42:56):
underwear is not a big deal. They're not talking about
the adults, God forbid. So you know these children, So
that's why. So she was still wearing the underwir of
her friend from the basically from a sleepover, so accidentally,
you know, they end up on each other's drawers. That
doesn't give me too much anything or any negativity. What

(43:19):
gives me a lot of negativity is how all this
case was held. First of all, these people are really
living like American dream. They're perfect family guys. I want
to tell you something to everybody in a chat, to
everybody out there, perfect doesn't exist. There's no family who
doesn't have somebody that makes everybody fight that they don't

(43:42):
have a family member who likes to gossip, who doesn't
like to lie. Maybe somebody can end up in a jail,
maybe if somebody is stole something. Maybe somebody forgive me
assaulted sexually something. So there's no family in this world
that doesn't have a skeleton in their closet. That's number one.

(44:03):
Even Queen of Finga and Elizabeth, she was actually hiding
that she has a family members that are mentally disabled,
and until lately she admitted. So that's why Prince Harry
and Prince William and Kate I support that they kind
of come openly and see and you can see that
that's why one of the children is born autistic and

(44:24):
the other one I think was it for Princess Beatrice
or whatever. She has a down syndrome. So all the
best for them. So I love that new generation is
kind of a little bit better with that that, you know,
because at all the time, I understand that was kind
of hushhash. Especially they're ruling. Nobody wants to know they're perfect.
They're royal blood, they cannot have anything wrong with them,

(44:44):
and it's the same with us. So perfect family, Johnpanese
family wasn't a perfect family doesn't exist. Her father cheated
on her mother multiplied times. They had a lots of
issues with their marriages. She was suffering. Jombannette's mother was
suffering from depression, narcissistic behavior, She wanted to kill herself,

(45:07):
She had lots of issues. She was going to alcohol
and many things. So the brother is weird, though if
I can call him that way, I personally think the
brother is a cool psychopath. The brother suffered because he
was probably neglected because all of John Benet was actually
a doll for Patsy and Patsy was leaving all of

(45:29):
her dreams through this other girl. It doesn't matter if
they're negative or positive. And then after that we have,
you know, nobody else but a dead child. If you
ask me, how do I see that case, I'm gonna
go straight forward what I saw when they actually came back.

(45:55):
They were probably playing, the kids were playing, and then
you know, personally, I do think as they were playing
that Burke did hit John Bennette out of the anger,
not out of the accidents, but out of the anger.

(46:15):
And as she died from the blunt hit, she was
probably losing un consciousness. They didn't know what to do,
and they put in a basement money that was and
the note was ninety nine percent written by the parents
because they already lost one child. They're going to lose
another one of course, because no even if he's a minor,

(46:37):
he'll be arrested and locked up, because you know, this
is a murder. One of them did the sexual act
on it. Are ninety percent sure that was Patsy because
she had many issues when it's coming to that, and
Burke was happy about it. You know, there was many

(47:00):
different There were objects that were used to actually sexually
abuse this little girl so that there's no trace of
the of the DNA on it. After that, Burke was
interviewed inside of Doctor Phil's show, and I was listening
very very carefully and watching his face expression. When I

(47:23):
saw him smile and I saw him roll the eyes,
I said, there is your killer. Unfortunately, the money sometimes
pays the freedom. The power covers the one that other murderers,
and I think that's actually what happened here. Burke is
on my list of suspect. Burke is my killer when

(47:49):
it comes to this case.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
You know when she was okay, it bothers me one
part of this that doesn't. And when we talk about
stuff not adding up, this case is perfect example. Yes

(48:17):
it doesn't. It doesn't add up that it went seven
hours when I mean it was. Her body was found
in the house's basement seven hours after she'd been reported missing.
How does that happen? Because if my kid is missing,

(48:43):
the first thing I'm going to do is search my
house top to freaking bottle. There's not going to be
I'm I'm searching under and in everything. Okay, she died
at the same adia that my grandson is.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
Right now, well, God forbid, Yes.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
I cannot imagine that. Now. Don't get me wrong, six
year old little kids they're not stupid, and they can
be gone in in a split second. I mean, they're
just it's like, where did they go And they get

(49:25):
in the most weirdest places to to like read a
book or something, you know, though, hide behind furniture or whatever.
And I did the same thing when I was a kid.
You know, I can remember getting in weird little spaces
and and you're just it's it's like your own little thing,
you know, your own little house, and and you know,

(49:47):
building forces that type of thing. Yeah, I remember even
hiding under the bed just I don't know, it was
a it was it gave you a sense of of
I guess independence and and and it gave me, you know,

(50:07):
fae privacy type thing. And a lot of little kids
do it for different reasons. Yeah. I never had anything
to hide from. I just I've always liked, you know,
building little forts and all that kind of stuff. That's

(50:28):
just how it was. But when your kid goes missing,
why does it take seven hours to find her body
in the house. That doesn't add up, folks. I'm sorry
they knew where that body was exactly. So that's that's

(50:53):
one thing that doesn't add up to me. The way, uh,
the way the crime scene was was handled was atrocious.
There was so much evidence that was that they had

(51:14):
to throw out because everything was tainted, you know, because
everybody and her dog had walked through the crime scene. Yes,
the first people that you look at are always the

(51:38):
parents and.

Speaker 7 (51:38):
The siblings exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
And with the brother. The mother, I get it. She
was she she was she was depressed, she was narcissistic.
But this was her meal ticket, this was her mood train.
She knew that. I don't think she actively killed her.

(52:16):
I'm on the fence, Like I said, I have two
main suspects. I'm on the fence because it could have
been the dad because I don't like him.

Speaker 7 (52:31):
I do not like he's a freak to you.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
He's very He's got that. If you go back and
look at the look in his eyes and the way
he and the way he portrays hisself and the way
he talks, and all the interviews. Go look at serial
killers in their interviews, you see a lot of a

(52:56):
lot of the same thing. The brother is also my suspect,
of mind. Those two are the main ones. But I'm
going towards the brother, because I think it was done

(53:23):
out of one I think he's just I think he's
he has psychopathic tendencies, and I think that he was very,
very jealous, and what was done to her was things

(53:46):
that are normally done to somebody when they're murdered, to
to defile them, much like Kemper did to his victims,
like he did to his mother, He did everything to

(54:09):
just defile her and and take out anger. This wasn't
anger killing. This was not an accidental thing. Okay. I
think that the the the assault took place, yes, met
took place, yes, And when she wasn't dead, I think

(54:37):
that's where the strangulation took place and the finished. Yeah,
I'm with you on the friends. The friends underwhere she
was wearing, like it's like you were saying, sleepovers, they
wear the same kind of clothes. They sleep underwear gets
mixed up, and you know, I mean, kids are kids,

(54:58):
just kids. So I'm leaning towards her brother, But I
do not put it past the father helping to cover
it up and well and the mother also after the fact. Okay,

(55:21):
because that, like I said, I think this is this
was their meal ticket. She knew it I'm very surprised
that there hasn't been another person in that family come

(55:45):
up dead under suspicious circumstances. Okay, I'm surprised that somebody
hasn't committed suicide and that kind of nature. But I
think probably the brother killed her and the mother and
father tried to cover it up. Yeah, that's what that's

(56:09):
my main my main thing.

Speaker 7 (56:11):
I yeah, go ahead, sorry forgiving.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
That's that's just it. But I'm with you on the
mother exploiting her. There are pictures of this six year
old girl, and I don't want to show them because honestly,
don't want.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
To expose somebody who was already.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
E I don't want to further the exploitment. Yes, plain
and simple. I had a picture of her grave up here,
and that's all I'm going to do. And it's not
it's not that I don't want to show the victim.
That that's because that's what we do. We we really
it's really about the victims here exactly. But the nine
times out of ten, the pictures you see, and there's

(56:54):
pictures over where you can tell she's a little six
year old girl and she's you know, but the pictures
that that there's pictures where she looks like she's twenty
something years old. Yeah, that's horrific to me. You sexualized
your six year old, your six year old daughter.

Speaker 7 (57:14):
It's horrible. It's a horrible thing. Horrible, Yeah, horrible.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
That's my take on the case. I think a brother
did it and the mom and dad tried to cover
it up, or the brother did it, the father covered
it up, and the mother after the fact went along
with it just because she didn't know what else to
do because in the prison.

Speaker 7 (57:36):
Yeah, you know, none of.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Them are innocent innocentness in my mind, none of them.

Speaker 7 (57:43):
And you know what was also interesting, for seven hours,
you don't know where your child is, right, you know,
it doesn't matter you're having a child, not having a child.
I'm not putting anybody in the basketball. Everybody gets alarmed
when child is missing. Everybody starts looking upper floor or
flow backyard, called the neighbor whatever. Nobody goes to basement

(58:07):
for seven hours, right, Well, why are we avoiding the basement?
Is that a boogeyman in the basement? And then the
papa goes into the basement, finds her untie the knots,
removes the tapes and carries the blanket, So what is
contaminating the scene? So now the first thing, what is it?

(58:30):
They are contaminating the scene. They're destroying the scene of evidence,
They're destroying everything. Second of all, when you see Burke
and when you see and you put his profiling when
he was they said that he as a child was very,
very aggressive. They said that lots of times he liked
to fight with the rest of the other kids, that

(58:52):
he was always demanding attention, that his mother was giving
more attention, even if it's a negative attention to poor
John Bennette. He was craving for that attention. But he
was born with many negative traits. He was also known
to hit the animals that live inside of their home.

(59:13):
So you know, there was list on the stalkers. There
was the child pentophile, the one that then get the
sex change. They did the DNA that nothing matched, nobody matched.
So what at the end actually again came It was
the suspects of three of them being inside of the home.

(59:36):
If you look at it, the litla John Bennette, it
was nothing else but the toy by all family members.
You know when we look also Patsy, Patsy was really
really far away from being normal. She needed lots of help.
She died at the end from the cancer. You know,
God bless her, so it's coming to that. But I

(59:58):
also think, you know, not to be the suspect. But
they said karma is a bee, so sooner or later
that happens h Burke. They even didn't allow him to
talk to police right without their presence, to chop psychiatrists,
to chop psychologists. This is very, very wrong. And then

(01:00:19):
Papa came about two days ago on the news. I
think it's all about money, and he said there's a
new evidence now coming about John Bennett. So Grandezzier twelve,
I totally agree with you, yes, because what's happening They
want more attention. They're digging to get more money on
a dead child that it should be now thirty four

(01:00:42):
years old, young woman.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
She's dead. She's dead and buried and sporting her.

Speaker 7 (01:00:48):
Yeah, exactly, she's still dead. They're exploiting her there. They
wrote the books, they do interviews, they go and they
get money on that. They said that Papa has more
money than ever before. And Burke is now living somewhere
in a Michigan he's enjoying his life. Nobody nobody, nobody
cares about it. And if you take and see him

(01:01:09):
how he's explaining his sister dead, smiling and saying I
don't know what to say and things like that, and
doctor Phil is watching him. I was watching very carefully
every facial expression that he was doing, and that's what
I do for my living. I was like, this is wrong.
This man is a cold psychopath. He's very sick, and

(01:01:33):
there's lots of things wrong about him. And then look
at him. You know, even as a child, pay attention
to them when they're walking or something. They were showing
those videos. He was always into his own things, into
his own world, you know. And now somebody who was
a little patty was asking about smell of the body.

(01:01:55):
So this is seven hours. The child won't smell, even
adult won't smell. It takes twenty four to forty eight
hours just the body to slowly cool off, and then
the process starts. After seven to ten days, that's when
you will feel a horrible smell from decaying you know, blood,
and you know organs are now done shutting and etcetera.

(01:02:16):
So seven hours won't bring anything at all, so you know,
and another thing what it's also very scary to me
when they did. I don't know even how many times
that poor child was digged out of the grave and
went on that autocity tape. It's so disgusting. I'm not
saying that it doesn't need to be done, don't get

(01:02:37):
me wrong. Let her rest. I think her exploitation happened
over and over again for quite a long time, you know,
and if you look at it, it's quite crazy, you know.
And the way she was hit in the head, you know,
they said that was a baseball bat and there was

(01:02:59):
a baseball bad that totally matches with the Burkes baseball
bad that he was playing. And also he was part
of the team. So after that, I think that she
went into the trauma of course from being hit. They
finished her there. You know, they got panicked. They don't
know what to do, okay, well now, And the ransom

(01:03:19):
note matches, especially certain letters are and I think a
matches with Patsy's handwriting. These are specialties. These are not
people from Gonko show in a circus. These are people
that do this for the living. So her handwriting was
matching certain letters exactly with Patsy's handwriting. So if you

(01:03:42):
ask me when I saw that, and Grandezzier, I really
respect what you're saying. When I saw that about two
days ago there mentioned I'm like, holy Christ, it's not
enough that this child is dead, brutally murdered by their
own family members, that they still getting the money because
of her horrible, horrible and dark dead and they're digging

(01:04:06):
money on it. Actually.

Speaker 5 (01:04:09):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:04:09):
Then they did the Netflix movies, they did interviews, they
did books, but Brooke was always out it. And then
the other day when somebody mentioned to Papa, can you
please get a Burke. Burke is not gonna do any
interviews for Netflix. It's not gonna do any interviews for
anybody because they know he will blob himself out. So

(01:04:30):
he's covering for his son who is actually a horrible murderer.
He was never investigated. And then they have money. I'm
sorry to say it. They had money, now they have more. Personally,
I think that you know there's people behind that help
them to cover this horrible crime. That is not just

(01:04:50):
three of them. You know that there was somebody there
in a legal way that helped them out to cover
up the case, you know, and still learn the money
on a on a dead body. It's horrible.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Yeah, it's it's like I said, there's look, they're not
let the little girl rest. I mean, good gosh, you're still.

Speaker 7 (01:05:25):
And even I'm gonna read something very important. Yeah, he said.
One of the cops didn't did not open the door
where John Barnett was lying. So it's all done by Papa.
This is for Fox News. Carol mccleanney, who covered the
case at the time, said in the Netflix series, Uh,
that's a mistake and I believe he lies with that

(01:05:46):
to this day. And they said the retired officer Commander
John San Agustine said, you never have someone outside of
law enforcement doing a search. They did all a search themselves.
Where is the okay we're talking about child.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
Yeah, Cory says the police chief is good friends with
the father.

Speaker 7 (01:06:07):
That's what I'm saying. So the money was done here
even like a good friendship. You know, I'll do this,
I'll do that. And and the body was right there
and in front of you know, everybody, it was just
sitting there. What is the saddest part, you know, she
was inside of those toddlers and tiaras, you know, incredible

(01:06:28):
spotlight exploited. But the truth what is you know, having
her exploited and living Patsies mental attention difficulty, disorder, to
be a beauty and to be young forever she was
using John Venny. So we have a mother who had

(01:06:49):
mental issues, We have a brother who has issues, and
papa who has money now who will cover all of
that up? Because John Benet's mother was also beauty queen,
you know in many cases are also saying that she
was sexually abused. You know prior to this that Patsy
would beat her if she would actually avoid herself. One

(01:07:12):
thing that people don't know. As soon as your child,
it passes the toddler time sometimes can happen. But you're
talking about six year old Lola girl who means is
going to grade one. Okay, this soula girl is still
wearing the pull ups and still avoiding or urinating her bed.
Nocturia is the first sign of a child that is

(01:07:33):
being sexually, mentally and physically abused. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm
giving you a warning. If you have a friend your
own child not knowing what's happening, please address with this
with the doctor. Go further on. Don't allow this to
go deeper, and abuse of a child nocturia is something
very very dangerous, and many people put the blind out,

(01:07:57):
but that's what's happening. And Patty would get very angry
when she would wed the bed and they said she
would be call her the names. If sometimes she didn't
want to go to these pageants, she will yell at her,
call her all different kind of names. You're stupid, you
are not grateful. You know you need to be pretty,

(01:08:17):
you need to be me. No, she doesn't need to
be you. She's a six year old child. And then
we have Burke, who had so many mental issues that
you know, at the end he killed his own sister
and Papa covered it up with you know, sheriffs, so
nobody knows. And yes, so somebody was asking did he

(01:08:39):
refuse Yeah, he is now refusing any contact with the
interview agencies. And you know, Papa came out. He's eighty
years old and he came out. Imagine still talking for
Burke and saying, Burke will not be involved in any
Netflix interviews, in any interviews for any agency or anybody.
He's living his life. If you need to speak to me,

(01:09:01):
I think any of us that have an eight year
old mother or a father will say hey, come speak
to me. They already went to a lot. I will
tell you what I know. You know, if you want
to know the story, why they need to go through
that all over again because they're covering him. They know
he will yup himself out and he'll end up in jail.
But I have a feeling that sooner or later, you know,

(01:09:26):
he will end up in a jail for something, and
I'm hardly and that's how we will find out more well.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
And here here's here's something here, there's stuff that I
really don't agree with here. In two thousand and two,
the DA successor took over the investigation from the police.
He primarily pursued the theory that an intruder had committed

(01:09:56):
the killing. In two thousand and three, trace DNA traced
DNA taken from job and A's clothes was found to
belong to an unknown mail. Each family member's DNA had
been excluded from this match. So, like you said earlier,
the DNA sent the Ramses. The DA sent the Ramses

(01:10:17):
a letter of an apology in two thousand and eight,
declaring the family was completely cleared by DNA results, but others,
including the Boulder Police Chief disagreed with exonerating the ramsees
he because the DNA's was just a piece of and

(01:10:39):
it was traced DNA.

Speaker 7 (01:10:40):
You know that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
That means there was very little there that was at
the heart of the evidence. That So in two thousand
and nine, the Boulder Police took the case back from
the DA and reopened the investigation. Now, the national international

(01:11:03):
media coverage or the case focused on her beauty pageant career,
but it also focused on her on her parents wealth
and the and the unusual unusual evidence found in the case. Yes,
everybody's question on how the police handled the investigation. What

(01:11:24):
what's What's one thing that's sticks out is to me
is that the family gave all these kind of interviews
to the media and everything, okay, but they pushed back
on being questioned by the police. Yes, unless it was

(01:11:46):
under their terms. When in what world can you can
you determine what terms you're going to be questioned under
in the police? You either have an attorney president or
you don't. That's just it that should happen, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:12:03):
But you know they have money, so money speaks for them.
You know, money is power.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
What may only get you so far, you know, I mean,
but I don't. There's a lot of hinky stuff in
this case. And it's just like I said, it doesn't
add up. There's a lot of stuff done that up.
The family members and have filed deformation suits against several
media organizations. You know, it's still it's still an open

(01:12:31):
investigation with the Voter Police Department.

Speaker 7 (01:12:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
And you know what is.

Speaker 7 (01:12:39):
What is quite interesting that you will be shocked. I'm
just looking for one particular number for you guys. So
they're actually saying John Bonnette's family since her death actually
made over seventeen point five million dollars on different kind

(01:13:00):
of So I'm giving exact fact on different kind of interviews,
movies and everything, so that you know, so they made
lots of money. Still on this old girl that was
killed and she was six year old. And another thing,
if you pay attention to her mother while they were
burying this child, I was looking at it very careful.

(01:13:22):
She was having a sunglasses, you know, almost like a performance.
This is like a we are acting now we are
bearing a six year old child. Yes, you can be dropped.
I'm not saying, you know, we will give you advan.
We may give you all different kind of things and
shut you to call you down, but still you are

(01:13:44):
bearing the six year old child. If really, all the
family members look like they're performing the act. So it's
quite disgusting to me to see how the entire family
act towards the h this child, the death, and the

(01:14:04):
way the child was also killed. I am staying behind
my words that is Burke. If it's not Burke, it's
still one of the family members, you know. But it's
three of them, three of them together. And Burke did
it out of the hate, out of the anger, uh,

(01:14:25):
you know, lacking attention, uh and probably you know, needing
more attention, and his smasher and at the end they
kill her, you know, and even the sheriff. The investigation, Okay,
somebody is missing, you guys in your house. The first
thing police is gonna come. They're gonna search every freaking corner,

(01:14:46):
including the garage, the backyard, you know, every single corner.
And we're talking about the child. Maybe child was attacked
by somebody. Maybe they're hiding in a cellar, Maybe they're
hiding behind the garage. Maybe you're hiding behind the toilet seat.
There's many different things that and and you're gonna go like, okay,

(01:15:07):
seven hours after that, I'm finding the child. I'm grabbing it.
I'm removing all the evidence, and this is where the
child is. I'm sorry, I'm really not buying any of that.
And you know, and now Papa is eighty and he's
still controlling his son, almost forty year old young man,
what he's gonna say and what kind of interview he

(01:15:30):
will do. And he said publicly, he's not gonna do
anything that tells you instead of you know, almost forty
year old son will say Papa had enough. He also
lost his wife, he lost a daughter. Prior to that,
he lost another child in a car accident. Let me
take over. I know you're interested. You want to know
what happened to my sister.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Ask me.

Speaker 7 (01:15:50):
I'm old enough now ask me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
No.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
I'm gonna hide behind the blanket and nobody will know,
and Papa will still protect me. Evidence is there in
front of us some fortunately.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
I'm going to I'm going to read the ransom note.
Please do, says mister Ramsey. Listen carefully. We are a
group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. Yes,
we respect your business, but not the country that it serves.
At this time, we have your daughter in our possession.

(01:16:22):
She is safe and unharmed, and if you want to
see her nineteen ninety seven, you must follow our instructions
to the letter. You will withdraw one hundred and eighteen
thousand dollars from your account. A thousand will be one
hundred thousand will be one hundred dollar bills. The remaining
eighteen thousand will be in twenty dollar bills. Make sure

(01:16:45):
that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank.
When you get home, you will put the money in
a brown paper bag. I will call you between eight
and ten am tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The
delivery will be exults, so I advise you to be arrested.
If we monitor you getting the money early. We might

(01:17:06):
call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the
money and hence earlier pickup of your daughter. It's also
got the earlier delivery scratched out and then pick up
of your daughter. Any deviation my instructions will result in
the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be

(01:17:29):
denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching
over your daughter do not particularly like you, so I
advise you not to provoke them. Speaking to anyone about
your situations such as police, FBI, etc. Will result in
your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to

(01:17:49):
a straight dog, she dies. If you alert bank that
the authorities, she dies. If the money is any way
marked or tampered with, she dies. You will bean for
electronic devices and in anything. If any are found, she dies.
You can try to deceive us, but be warned that
we are familiar with law enforcements, law enforcement countermeasure in tactics.

(01:18:13):
You stand a ninety nine chance of killing your daughter
if you try to outsmart us. Follow our instructions, and
you stand one hundred percent chance of getting her back.
You and your family are under constance, constant scrutiny as
well as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain, John,

(01:18:35):
You are not the only fat cat around, so don't
think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John,
use that good Southern common sense of yours. It is
up to you now, John Victory sb TC.

Speaker 7 (01:18:55):
Quite interesting. I must say, it's quite a good show.
It's a good show that both of them put together,
you know, to cover up the murder of their own
daughter that was killed by their own son. So you know,
it's quite disgusting what they did there, but to save

(01:19:18):
their son because one child is already did you know,
let's do another one? And one thing also that sometimes
comes to my mind that you know, all three of
them did it together and the reason why because they
wanted to have more money, more power, and more greed
and they wouldn't be unfortunately the first family members that

(01:19:42):
would kill one family member exploit them and everything to gain.
Look at the Michael Jackson family, they're still earning money
on him after all the exploitation and all the abuse
that gentlemen went through, they're still earning money on him.
Nobody helped him out when he needed a help. I'm
looking for example. He's a star. But what their father
did to them, it was quite a horrible act.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
And yeah, and we talk about the circle of violence,
in the circle of abuse.

Speaker 7 (01:20:09):
And everything exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
And if you look at and if you look at
my and I know we're getting that's another case for
brand to look into. But if you look at that
paradigm of and of that family, yeah, that's what it
follows because Michael doing the same thing to younger children

(01:20:35):
that he was having done themself exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:20:38):
Yeah, and you know that the note they're saying that
it's ninety nine percent matching with Patsi's spent from the home.
So I'm just wondering the letters are matching pennies coming
from the home money is exactly the amount of his
bonus note is making also to sound like a you know,

(01:21:01):
almost like some kind of terrorist organization. You know, we
have your daughter, and you know, it's quite interesting to
me how all of this acting was that it's actually
very bad Shakespeare played, you know, and I agree Kimber.
It was on her notepad, so even the paper's coming from.
So I'm just wondering, before you kidnap and kill somebody,

(01:21:24):
you know, wouldn't you come prepared, you know, if you're
gonna ask for money. You know, it's just so logically,
you know, people when they're kidnapping somebody, they're asking for money.
These are I'm sorry to say it, but they are,
you know, high professionals in their dark trade. So they're
not gonna come Okay, I'm gonna bort a pen from
Patsy not pad, from you know, Jon's desk. I'm gonna

(01:21:46):
use the baseball bat and hit the girl with the
It doesn't make sense at all, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
If you're gonna go through all that lengthy stuff as
far if you if you're going if you look at
the ransom note, they're not going to kill the girl
in the house and leave exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:22:06):
And another thing, if she's kidnapped, what is she doing
in the in the home? These people want the money,
so you will get the money and no problem, God forbid.
She may return debt, but you will transfer the money
or leave the money where they want you to know.
The money is never exchanged. There was never in contact

(01:22:26):
with them where you're going to leave the money. Because
if there is a threat to somebody because they want
the ransom payment, they'll say, I will contact you and
this is where the payment will be done. So that
another part is missing. These people so cold, people that
want the money for the child, they never contact them

(01:22:47):
again in those seven hours. They never ask for bone
has money to be given. It doesn't make sense at all.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
Well, not only that, I mean you had Now this
is weird because they had fingerprints. Experts that looked at
the note and were dismissed by the court saying that
she was the author of the note yes, so you know,
it's the whole thing doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 (01:23:13):
It's like no, nothing adds up. And to me, the
reason why I brought this up I saw it in
the in the news two days ago. I was working
and I was stypaying some files and as I type,
you know, when the Google they usually news comes up,
and I was like the little jumpnet again and he's
saying the papaye and I'm like, Holy Christ, they want
the money again. You know, they're very very sick family mentally.

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I think this little girl was born inside of the
sick family. Mama was very narcissistic, attention difficulty seekers somatic
A lot of times they say she will lie the illnesses,
severely depressed, and she was craving to always be youtiful.
You know, I will be honest to you. The other day,

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there is a I can say, a reality show that
comes from the Europe and something came to me. I
was shocked. There's a thirty two year old woman and
that's thirty two year old woman goes after all the
youngest boys inside of that house, you know, so they
all live in the same house. So i' was just

(01:24:23):
observing that to see and then she said, my botos
are not the same. And then the other girl said,
this three year old woman who went with her brother
that is seventeen years old. Now she's dating a boy
that is a little bit over twenty. Then she's looking
at her. I said, and we are watching this live
on the TV. I said, where are your mind?

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
You guys?

Speaker 7 (01:24:46):
We are watching live on the TV woman over thirty
going after the young boys and she has a young
child that is thirteen years old and saying this is
my son, and you are there, I think seventeen year
old boy and we are watching that all on the
TV and saying, you know what, it's okay, that's just

(01:25:06):
a relation, that's not relationship. As much as these boys
maybe want to be mad and you know they're on TV,
they want to be hot shots. I understand the puberty
and the hormones. I'm not saying we've all been there,
right right, But this woman is that this woman is
a pedophile. She's going after the young boys, you know,
and they're glorifying it on the TV, and and she's

(01:25:29):
obsessed to be young. The reason what I'm saying, I'm
saying it happens everywhere, and that's what for example was
a Patty. Patty was obsessed to be young, and John
Bennette was second Patsy. She needed to be there and
she was living. Yeah, she was living for her exactly.
And you know it's not just about the little beauty pageant.

(01:25:51):
And she was dressed up as a as adult. I
saw some of the costumes, some of the pictures, some
of the posing. I said, this is wrong. This looks
like a freaking playboy. Think it doesn't look like a
We are looking a little girl that had a little
bit of the makeup. I was like, this is wrong,
you know, and him being nine year old, you know,
he's slowly waking up. We don't know how. Also, Patsy exploited.

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John Bannett told us to her own brother because the
child was nocturia, and they said a lots of times
the little John Bannette would vomit. She would eat and
she would vomit. So she doesn't know how to be
skinny and be obsessed with bolomia six year old child,
or she may have anorexic nervosis. What it means she

(01:26:37):
would have a gag reflex, bringing the food up and
never being hungry. Actually, if you look at her. She
was very very skinny. She was very very skinny, and
when they saw her body, she was very very skinny.
Because she's obsessed. Patty's obsessed for her. You know, to
be perfect child doesn't need to be perfect chubby, skinny row.

(01:26:57):
You can say, no, oh, eat a little bit, let's
eat a little bit more. But she was obsessed for
her because she had her dreams now being four year
old woman. You know, I'm not anymore sexy and I'm
not twenty. I want to be that seductive woman all
over again. So that's what John Banney is. She was
a fifty year old child youth for seduction of the

(01:27:20):
other men, even if that was very very wrong. So
if you ask me on to close this case, on
my side, all three of them did kill this little girl.
There are still milking the money from her death. Papa
is protecting who's left from the family, and does Burke,

(01:27:43):
who is very psychotic and very cold and very strange creature,
because we don't have his medical file, and I'm telling you,
I'm sure there's a lots on it, and I'm sure
sooner or later, and you guys you'll remember me. I
stay behind my words. We'll find a lot and more

(01:28:04):
about this case.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
Yeah, somebody's gonna slip up somewhere for sure. Yes, well
you had something. We're gonna we're gonna end the show.
Now we've been, we've been, we've been talking. We talked
quite a while about this show. Yes, but we got
something that you wanted to share. Oh, yes, yes, and

(01:28:29):
uh we we it's it's her mother's but it's birthday. Yes,
but this is happy birthday Grandma's Azaya.

Speaker 7 (01:28:41):
So this is my mom and my boys or her grandson.
So we want to reshue. So after such a heavy cases,
uh that we deal with, after lots of things and
warnings that we do, we wanna close this season with
a beauty full positive notes. And that's love, hope, faith

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and support of each other, in support of her family.
So again, Grandma's Aza, I will wish you happy birthday.
Grandma's Aza. Will love you very very much. That's what
I want to say.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
And again, happy birthday, Grandma's Aza. You know we're we're
gonna be back. I'll be back on the front porch
and it's gonna be Greg Ogles tonight and so me
and Braindy will be talking about we'll talk we'll be
talking to Greg Ogles about his documentary that's.

Speaker 7 (01:29:36):
Gonna premiere in Jane Fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
So unfortunately Danielle won't be able to join us and
try to talk her into it, but she's barely got
I barely got her, you know, to do that. She
was able to do this show, so I barely got
to do that. But anyway that we'll be back at
eight o'clock tonight with Greg Goguls and me and Brandy.

(01:30:03):
Do not forget go get your conference tickets. You're gonna have,
I mean, Colley, there's such a just everybody's going to
be there and I get to share my table with
my little sister.

Speaker 7 (01:30:18):
Oh and will be my honor. I did record something
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will give you a hints, will give you more knowledge
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But night to each and every one of you, and

(01:31:02):
to my wonderful growing Texas, to entire Texas Front porch,
I wish a happy, safe, and prosperious Merry Christmas.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
Merry Christmas, everybody. You'll have a great night. We'll see you,
see you,