October 1, 2025 • 55 mins
Fun and Informative broadcast with host James Bartholet and guests award wining SFX Makeup Artists Myke Michaels and Richard
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, welcome back. And look who's with me right now.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
My BFF, mister Mike Michaels is here, and my other
VFF Richard here. Another great legend in the makeup world
special effects stuff. We were all having lunch at Sainte
presh CANTEENA and you showed me this thing on your
phone when you did a shot where the gun went
(00:24):
through the guy's head, opened up the back of the head,
and then the camera shot went through.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Okay, that hole the gentleman sits. We do operas of Vice. Yeah,
and Mike designed the shot. Jerry Constantine did the build
on it. And the story is a gentleman is desponding
over a stock investment he was sold, which is going
(00:52):
to send the stock salesman to purgatory making our movie.
But the gentleman himself sits at the bar in the
case of a cafe and he shoots, and a cannon
about the size of the microphone blows blood on everyone
behind him.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
WHOA, But what he's done is he's put the.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Gun in his mouth and blown his face off in
the back of his head. We now have a camera.
We're pumping blood through the syringes and fire extinguisors full
of blood and we stopped. So a camera with a
long lens can roll right to the back of his
(01:33):
head through the bullet entry out the mouth and see
the waitress wow in the pot with blood splashed on
her face.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Okay, that's.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Now, you before you got into.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
The world of Sfax, you were a martial arts star,
and that's where the term of the wolf came up.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yeah, My sense when I was fifteen said, uh, that's
how I thought, because I would take it. I would
block everything they gave me and back up and read
them and then attack. Where some fighters come out, they're
both either they're attacking each other or one's trying to
back up and he's just trying to defend themselves. Because
if you watch any of my my old tage, you'll
(02:20):
see that my face is not blocking. My face is
is understanding what he's doing next. Yeah, and my sense
at Parker just Alsodda is watching you is like watching
a wolf.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
He just I'm gonna start calling you a wolf now.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Now, when you work with Chuck Norris, I do he
d I d I m mm. You know you talk
to him about your martial arts beginnings and stuff. Did
you ever spar with him? I did, No, I just
kind of made that up really.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Oh yeah, Well it's when your f when your Buddi's
it's just he's got dojos.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
In every one of his homes.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Yeah, so and uh, you know, and if you get
caught in there and better be ready to handle it. Wow,
He'll sit there and he'll he'll bring out Bob, which
is the dummy.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Everybody calls it Bob, and it's a dummy from the
torso up.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, you know, no arms, and it's.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Just you where you hit, and his is electronics, So
wherever it hits, it tells you where you hit him.
You hit him in the stomach, it says solar flexes,
if you s if you hit him in a little
higher it says the abdominum. I mean, it tells you
where you've hit, which is really good for training.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So and then and if you hit him from behind,
you go, you hit him in the wallet.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I took.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, that's why I.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Hit him from behind.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
And then he'll sit there and do something like whatever
we were doing on the dummy.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
He goes, all, right, now what am I? What are
you gonna do?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
If you block this, and that's because the martial arts.
If he knows as well, you can train as long.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
As I have.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, and you come from the Bruce Lee line. Yeah,
he comes from the Bruce Lee.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You studied with the master Bruce Lee.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
No part of what happened. Bruce went off to make
a film, as we all do. He was still a
young man. I was training with the people. After Bruce
was making movies. He closed it down and he went
to the backyard of Danny and Ansanta.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yes, and I know that.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
The gentleman and trained them on his jab time. Jeque
kundo the jk D. They will come and train me.
I learned from the guy that was Bruce's gladiator. If
you said, thank you, Wow, if you said I learned
from two of his best and from every one of them.
(04:38):
And we're still family. And they named my daughter. I've
been that Wednesday Night JKD group since seventy two.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So, and we still train. We're training for a film project.
Mike is producing and writing, which we can't do right.
But it's about guys our age and the adaptation to Knes.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, it's a movie about.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, the thriller drama thriller, action, comedy, and definitely operative
because we're gonna do you know, it's one version with
the full and then another.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Version carried him into car him into fashion women.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Those those movies have been popular with the ogs, with
the old guys coming in and kicking ass. Yeah, but
I mean with but I mean that genre. That formula
has come out in so many different Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
It's a little different.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
This is where people in the movie where you never
seen them together, you.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Don't even know they know each other.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
All of a sudden, they're in this three car garage
in yeah, just working out, like if you're hitting the bag,
joking around runs.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
They're just fucking around, right. Don't see them doing any
martial arts, yes, because all of them are. We're all
martial artists that are doing that. Seeing every one of them.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
The actors, and these are all guys over fifteen, they're
over sixty, over sixty.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Coordinator. I don't know if you know who James lewis. Yes, right, okay,
Well he's my coordinator. Thinking he directed for the fight.
Because it's gonna take three days to shoot one fight.
There's yeah, about fifteen of us. There's gonna be about
twenty five game numbers, Wow, driving by their cards to
fuck with people, and all of a sudden they see
that's working there, and they stop and go, look at
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the fucking old farts working.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Oh, look at the bad a, look at the old fox.
And we just looked at each other and together.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Okay, So you see twelve to fifteen old guys over
sixty kicking the mother fucking shit out of twenty five
to thirty.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You want to you want to see that. That just
sounds like a great project.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It's a fun scene. But the movie is all about it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So you're in pre production on that pre.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Pre production where the script is written.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's pre pre production. I mean, no pubes on it yet,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
The bank.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Oh just for god, you got better budget than mine.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Yeah, well no, the movie is a lot more we
need to. Yeah, we already.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Generally even with a modest budget, and moved in them.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
And it's not about that. It's we dig doing them.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
We like it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Sometimes we go oh yeah, South Dakota, and it's we're
making the costume.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's about the storytelling process.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Yeah, it's about just getting away from the ranch.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
No I dig yet, I dig yet, I dig yet.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, but I gotta go with mine because it's work. Yeah,
and u'se my location wife. There we are and we
go off and we go to a Walmart and we
can make a movie. Yeah, we can also go to
the lab and make it a very expensive movie.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
We do both, but we uh.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
A lot of that work has done in post, isn't
it No?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Not all corporation, because what happens is they can't do blood.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, they'll do the enhanced the eye we'll come to
like squaveheas all right, so you'll see that, but don't
that's a fashion serious like you got. But when you
want to see you got to be practical. So the
CGI they'll definitely enhance it with lights and whatever. It
just doesn't work. Yeah, it's just you can't start there.
(08:36):
So you've got to have that does love the practical
and then that five percent just fucking kicks it out
and makes it look something.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
When you go to make the movie, you're gonna go
to South Dakota and they're gonna use re enactors who
are all going to show up with their pistols from
their ranch and they'll have the thing. We're doing period
Western Yeah, and uh bake twild. The movie is called Blackwood.
I recommended it fabulous because.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We did it.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Yeah, and we did the stunts. We did all thefecial effects,
all the makeup, bruisers, hung.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
A tree, hung a horse in a tree, and the monsters.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
The wind to Go, it's a mythical creature. If you
don't prepare for your rations for the winter, the wind
to Go will come and you know, eat, Grandma.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
What's for dinner? Grandma?
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Yeah, And we made the movie and a fun in
my house.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, we make.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
These these films and they go, oh, well, we want
the monster to come out of the outhouse and grandma guys.
So we go, okay, fuck, yeah, we can do that.
We want to see his nails come off on the wood.
Terror and violence. We want to I want to check.
I want to have five minutes in the movie. So
I get another check. So I had just gone down
(09:57):
to Mexico to get Hollywood teeth, don't you.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
I went to the director. I pulled them out.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I'm already doing stunts and blood and effects with Mike,
and we're directing the film from our department. I can
use the direction and the kids first movie. And he goes, okay,
and I screamed with no teeth in and.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
He goes, that's perfect. I went back.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
When you see Blackwood, the first five minutes of that
film is paying my ranching habit because I scream, I
get gutted by the monster and I'm running through the
snow doing face falls in my guts hanging out and
the guy finally leans me against the tree and then
ties me up and steals with the gold that we
(10:38):
had taken from the wind to go. So we're the
guys that pissed off the monster, so we do everything
in the film.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And the horror movies are the genre that worked so
much right now, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
The elaboration of the stunt and the special attech makeup,
bitch to do with anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Are you guys going to the Midsommer Scream next weekend?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Long Beach Convention Center. It's a horror convention.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah yeah, I'm just gonna go for one day because
I'm going to promote a Scissors and our new movie,
Murder Motel.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, so I'm gonna go down there with a couple. Yeah.
Oh yeah, Scissors is out now.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Uh, it's our, it's our, I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
The goods our yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I mean there's some nudity in it, but nothing that
would make it ext but no sex.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, but I met doing a guy foolishly hired us
to do a beauty.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Conference of a couple of thousands.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Started.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, let's go back up.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
We both started in beauty makeup, we got into effect.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
We both then went to beauty.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's right, you were you were a hair and stylist. Yeah,
Ventura Boulevard.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
He did Penthouse Pat of the Year and I was
working with Playmate of the Year for Playboy. We were
doing the New Romantics and and and we got together
to do this dog and Pony show and we've been
doing it now fifty years.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Wow, body painting. Yeah, was supervising at the mansion. Yeah,
because I'd go to the mansion. Yeah, and then then
he and I go back. I had a show called
elle Knightlife. Some of you out there have been writing
about that, and you remember that show. We're gonna be
(12:43):
showing the old episodes of that on our Roku TV
channel soon. But Mike was my co host.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
He was my.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Pat uh to my remember, there was a guy who
had pat what's his name McCormick was his sidekick. They're
not Paul Williams, but there was talk show host. But
you were like my Ed McMahon to my Johnny cart Son.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
My. Yeah. Anyways, we had.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Never seen the man do anything, though.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
He pushed a lot of liquor. Edric. You have that picture.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
My My my assistant found this picture and this was
you and me, our friend E. G. Daily and your
daughter when she was a little gal and yeah and
uh a.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
She Brew her through his time in the industry as
a single father.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Yeah, in his contract that he brought his daughters.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Right on the set.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, that's what in my contract. Have kidble travel.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
And when people would go look at her, what do
they mean by have kid will travel? They would look,
I have a daughter and she comes with me. All
you have to do pay for you know, let her
eat with everybody.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
But she is not a lot.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
And she put her on the flight with me. She
also drives, remember the golf cart. Oh my god. She
was about twelve years old and she was dry. Oh
my god, look at that.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
What a great.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Look at the abs on her. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, I had a full old head of hair. You
had a fold head of hair. We were a little
dark hair back then. I used to have that flashy
little thing that I'd have my lapel all the time.
That was like the heart beating. Yeah, that was like
the little side gig. And then we had we had
a musical band. We had Jack Knack and the heart
(14:44):
Attack was our house band.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
We had them at the.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Uh what was that place that worked at that we
did Wonderland, the movie.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
About about John Home.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, where we did Wither. Yeah, nightclub raving crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It was on Santa Monica and Crets and Heights and
it was called the star Wood.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
It was like bouncer for almost a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, they're the ones who sent me over.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
To New York for three months to work with fifty four.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
But they reopened, Wow, closed down because they got burned
and they reopened and was already taken from other Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, brought a few hooks out there. That's how to
work with guy if he didn't leave.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And then for many years you were with a wonderful
place they're called Cinement Secrets that's now closed.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
There I work.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Yeah, you know, they would hire me to do all
their their sponsor stuff that they would have like a
real commercial or something, or they need to bulk up demonstration.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I'd come in and do all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I just knew.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
We both knew. Maurice the owner of mary Stein.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
He was a wonder full guy, his whole fam. It
was a family run business and people people lined up
for hours to get their makeup done.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And then I.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Wrote, I drove by there recently after one of our
strikes at Warner Brothers, and I saw they had a
restaurant there, and I was like, God, what an institution
this was.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
There every day, so was he and he noticed the
downfall when it was originally he started getting to the
point that he wasn't coming in every day, and they
started this new downfall. And then when he said, you know,
then he got sick the completely. It was people that
they came into him.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And this was the man who created that original makeup
for the original planet of the Planet of the Apes,
one of the guys on there.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Yeah, he helped formulate the but it wasn't his makeup
emulation for them to put it easier, because it was
it was.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
William Tuttle, and that's factor.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
And what they did was they were using sesame soil
feed oil to miss it like we've done our whole lives. Yeah,
and then what he did was he got the ingredients
of service of sesame seed oil because it goes through refinery,
so he took and put it through a refiner and took.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
The oil out so it wasn't shiny.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
We used it to break down the foundation the drop of.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
That and this, and did it make a better adhes.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Have done that drive with the flannity of the apes.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
They had to gather all the makeup artists.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
They go, we put the appliance they call it the
mountains on and the teeth.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
They go, it's not working. And this story is direct
from Maurice.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
He said, we went to the zoo, got a day
paid to go to the zoo and look at him
and see what it was. The same small tricks secret
we use in Hollywood. We also used to make somebody
look sick. So if you need a day off word, yeah,
you take the eyelid down and you put red inso
just red pencil, yeah, at the bottom of your eyelid. Yeah,
(18:10):
it's an eye pencil, doesn't It made them look it
made them look wild, wow, without them free dancing.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Now we have a video lined up to put in here.
This was this is on your website there, Yes, can
we throw that video up? Maybe we can have it
up in a corner of the screen there. Now, remember
we're on a delay, so we're not seeing.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Michaels.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Very cool now that tr on that I think is
are they hearing that or are they hearing the audio?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So this was a nice little thing. You've had this
also running on the YouTube there.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Like the reality.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
So come join my crew and I we're gonna show
you the insiders, the view and how to bring the mayhem.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Out of my mind? Well, what advice would you give
for a young makeup artist out there?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, I'm just getting that.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Look at Richard, he's thinking of a profound answer right now,
you too.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I do.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Everything plumbing, how to use my child everything on the internet.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I take advantage of that an experiment at home.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
The law for Maurice's stunt, great famous memory's if it
looks bad to you, it looks bad to the camera.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
All half cameras.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
The one on your phone is better than anything you
had in the day in the studio.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Hell, yeah, it's amazing, and you can.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's a wonderful child Like I'm careful what he really
was a child.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
It's gonna come location because.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well I can tell there you are right there in.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Special downstage and seeing blood.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Are in all these war times and we have some
ring you can't get the just shows battlons.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
But you got an Emmy for them what they throw.
We're ready to run.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I think you gotta be ready to bring bring because
something wrong. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeahbody.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh yeah. When I did that evil dead, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
We know it's called twenty four. We go thro crew
out the cruise. We had like giving alternate.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Production plans, and the department had just what's.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Fascinating more the ones that work with all the orders,
my gas number of things.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Definitely not fun taking orders from making artist.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Actually, that's definitely.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
There is a lot of the.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Prosthetics imagination. My god, you start ringing higher sixty comes out.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Whoa, this is scary.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
My hands are mel terrible.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Gap of things can get very stressful in next section
to the extendent, where you are watching the air blow
out of your eyebrows. Product, we just can't one around
finish usual many times the same I love you to death,
but should take the world.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
We got a way to grab out a little bit.
Dad I'm calling the world. For over thirty years, I
was martial artists in a cage.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Time and a lot of people don't realize that there's
hours that goes into the matter up in put that
makeup on, and then hours to take them off.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So literally it is four hour days.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
First, somebody that were there to clean rolls, you learned
to be there the third row, every finel, every year,
every every Some of our adussures were great. See what
cartridges if they weren't half full, they put them in
(22:27):
another file that was less than half and put a
brand new one in.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
We got Well.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Now with the big special effects movies, we're doing more
and more uh practical special effects.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Mike is a fully trained team that is unbelievable that
keeps all that stuff up and his his people are aestheticians.
They do massage film on everybody in women so when
(23:01):
the actors come back, they get the makeup taken off
and then they get a full skincare line. After a
few weeks, their face isn't beat up because that's so
important because you know the son.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
That's a good point big money.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, I love that, that's the funniest I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, I got to cut in here. Stranger Things?
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Who the show? Stranger Things?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Stranger Things? Yeah, what about it?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I did the first season and designed the bible for
all five years, which they're using now.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
The last season is going into production. Now. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
He called me and said, you want to be on
the show, and I go, No, that sounds stupid.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I turned it down.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
No way you turned down Stranger Things.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Of course he said no, come on, man, we're having
a lot of fun. And he gave me some of
the story and I go, and if you had the
elevator And I'm like, now, no, no.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
It sounds dumb, stupid.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I got other things.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I got better plans, Master and Manders. I believe that
was the one you got the Oscar.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
No I'm for but yeah, yeah, there was the Oscar.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Nomination Russell Crowe. I believe it the star that I
was on the Six People.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I have the paper that says that we were nominated,
which is fucking I wish I got the statue the Oscar.
But now I have been involved in two Oscars besides
this one that I wasn't even on the show.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I worked for one. I'm not gonna say names because
everybody starts calling and what she didn't get the I
she calls me up. I was.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I was in New York and she was, you know,
well hold on before your going, let's take a call
here right now.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Okay, it's Jason.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah, Jason, Hey, I heard you turned down Stranger Things.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Michael worked on it, but Richard turned it down. We
got a picture there of Bobby Brown there and the
other kid.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Richard had working with me for almost fifty years. We've
been He's been my second on I can't count, like
seventy five eighty movies.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, you guys work together on Battlestar. No, no, it
didn't work come out.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I was doing children's commercials because they paid so.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well yeah, oh fuck yeah, I did those back in
the day. Yeah, the corporation due no put back some
Stranger Things.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You deserve a break today.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Designed the looks when I got the script, and then
I got the Bible, so I had a design for
all five seasons.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
That was my job.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I got paid.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I was.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah, I got paid for four months prep work, which
was about right because I was working the whole time
doing it, and I was on another show at the
same time, and I was literally twenty four hours I
was like, no sleep, and then I got finish it
up and then I did. We did the first season
made everything about their creature. The monster that was done
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by Jason, and Jason's know You're stands for best is
one of the amazing ones.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
That kind of plant looking thing. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, he didn't want the color.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
It's not him, I won't do it, and he just
said it still looked great. It was disgusting of what
it did, but he wanted to make it more natural colors.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
And it's a really bloody wealthy. Oh it's bloody.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
And we had a blasts pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Yeah, we had a blasphon literally everybody though Calf was beautiful.
Everybody was wonderful, you know, everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Because the two directors, you know, not putting them down
or anything because I can't, but they're not the easiest
people to get along with.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
They're not really polite and they know I've said it
out loud to them a few times so they know it.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, let me ask you, this was it when when
you've got all of that blood, when you've got those
scary moments, certain things, and we all know it's it's
pretend because you know, we worked behind and in front
of the camera. But these kids are coming in and
some of them it was their first project. Do you
have to sit them down and explain to these kids
about the stuff or what them.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Show them?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
How it filled when they did the movie pap oh,
and that'sn't often.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah, you see him getting hung at the gallows.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, they had people come from the mental institute and
didn't tell them it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Real, so they were really freaking out.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
They're gonna kill your puppy, Jackie Coogan. Oh, it's just
come on, it's his Hollywood. The crap they do to
get that emotion.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, I think he's still there.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah, I'm still here.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay, do you have another question? What I was just
letting him talk? Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, sorry that Yeah, we won't shut up, so it's okay.
They want to know if you know Millie Bobby Brown.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I still know her.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I went with her for those ten months the first
season with ten months, they've been five months ever since.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
But because we had so much, you know, so much
more to do.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
And Millie Bobby was one of the most amazing human
beings I think I've ever met, because I met her
when she was eleven years old, and she was more
knowledgeable than most people. I know it, full adultsthood. She
was amazing. She's brilliant, she's smart. She already knew where
she wanted to do and what she was going to
do and how she was going to get there. She
knew where she was going to be. Of course I
(28:51):
agreed with her, because then what's going to happen? I mean,
she was just so brilliant. But I will tell you
because everybody's all. Everybody knows she's got one all of us.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
She's great. Yeah, well that's what happens when you're you know,
you're English.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I'm friends with her, Millie Bobby.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
No, she's amazing, and she's really a sweethearted person. She
really lovely.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
All right, Jason, thanks for calling in the night.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
To talk to you all right.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Now, you've been working in the Marvel universe, you've been
working with all of these other studios.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Which project movie stands out with you?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Gentlemen, It's like, that's the one I'm going to be
sitting in the old makeup artist home, Shane.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Remember that I can't talk about the corners.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You can.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
The only ones wanting to remember.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Mike, you could say that. See those awards, baby, Yeah,
that's yeah, that's what I've been doing.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I did hit the movies in my early days. I
had no problem with them.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
They were pretty expensive ones too.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Oh we had great budgets back then. Oh yeah, no,
no big budget.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah, I think one.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Hundred if we did that, one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars you did, Yeah, that were like fifteen twenty.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah, it's not it's not a real reach from Playboy.
A lot of them, man, as you know, we're the
same girls. Yeah, yeah, and in all classics, and we
worked together, you.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Know, and.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, it's just it's just making a pretty girl pretty
is what we did. But we also did a couple
of movies with effects.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You probably know.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Xon Exon was his name, Xeon Zon, Yeah, black.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
A friend of my daughter. They went for acting classes
since they were thirteen together.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
But even when after were she said, for you, what
was the one from Stella thirteen? The movie about the flash?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Oh oh yes, yes, yes, I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Okay, some know as anyway, it's flashing and it was
about what it is about his life.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
The guy that you know that played playing Hogan's Heroo.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Oh, Richard Dawson.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
It was about Richard.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It was a real prick though in real Yeah again
it's terrible.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
It was the guy that was the lead and he
had a thing about photographing and you did that.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yes, that was Richard Dawson about Richard Grip.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Michael had to make for vaginas because wait, no, don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, so where do you get there?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Okay, they have a name for that.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
We yes, yes, anyway, we get all of them ready,
all the girls gorgeous as can be.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
They're all dolled out and they're going to go to
the pool.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Okay, yeah, so you know it's got to be waterproove
making and you can't be like you in all the
different shines and stuff. But it had to look really
good because you know, they were all bathing beauties and
a lot of them were going to be naked because
it was made in the seventies, of those parties, of
all the pool parties.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
The sad part was they forgot to tell the war
job and the body.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Makeup girl because she was preating tans on everybody. What
was in the seventies cubig hair and tan lines, not
one of these.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Girls and then they were not covered in tats. No, no,
they didn't have pear cover that.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, so we hired two girls you know, to do
it and then it was there in a minute.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
So I go up to the producer and I'm looking,
going something's wrong here. I couldn't figure out that, I
was said, So I went up to the producer and
my boss. Because I wasn't lead, I was key special effects.
And so I went up to the key and I said, hey,
this is nineteen seventy one. Where's the fubiic and we're
their tan lines? And she goes She runs over in
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the director and tells him that.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
He goes, good call. He was a great director goes
up to me and says, what can you do? They're
gonna give us like an hour? Is that call? I said, yeah,
if we just have pieces of you.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Know, the other the guys and they're going to move
around and come back to the pool, I said, perfect
is an hour.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Richard Snell was there.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
It was really good at a fast paint airbushing too,
So we just got a bunch of cardboard and just
you know, and you know, airbush taand lines because they
were already tanned.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
They were all spray.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
They did the same thing on Baywatch, but they did
yeah yeah, but the d.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Dans they took them off.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I did a fashion show, my first show with Maurice
Stein and yeah, fashion show photo shoot for Guyanna gowns
which those of you who weren't in the seventies, they're
like a T shirt, very tight, little long matsie dress.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Okay, I've seen him. He looks really good at this.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I don't look big six old will make up artists
with their beauty glamour kids and they're gonna basically do
Marrily Monroe makeup because it's never changed.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
That's always the class.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I got it right.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
But they give the new kid, they go put him
on tape. And they had me a roll of surgical
tape and they lined up all the models down the
hall and had them put them right where they wanted them,
and I would tape them right then and that was
(34:29):
it and get the alignment like headlights.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
And I've done that. Celebrity famous celebrities, and you sit there.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
And you go, yeah, here you go, be right up
your dress and the problem and go like that and
you kill them.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
But in this politically correct, woke world, that we live
in now. Those things you know, they just tough for
a film, did you know?
Speaker 6 (34:55):
And it's called an intimacy coordinator.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Exactly. That's big job now we had to do.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I can't show him because we're still under its head.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
The movie has NBA right right, yeah, But Mike.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Goes, hey, man, come on in.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
It's an easy job. So I didn't do stranger things.
And he goes, come on in, this is great. He goes, no,
we're throwing people out of third story windows. Sorority girl
pushes boom starts. I can't give you a lot of this,
but we're gonna blow a guy's head boof off, and
then we're gonna come through with the cameras and Jerry
are guys nominated for two Academy Awards. He's just Jerry
(35:34):
comes and he's just doing the Marlon Brando picture and
he's nice enough to work with us. I'm cutting faces
off and all the stuff we do for the film
we've been.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Working together for.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Like, this is so fascinating, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Did you ever see the show.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Called Creature features not the original, but that when we
brought him back, but remakes of the day the world
ended to tell.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
The monster how to make a wear wool.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
So Samuel and then his son took it over.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Yeah, so and he redid a bunch of them and
made some new ones with cutting edge on guard directors.
And again I was the part has and and I
was doing all the pieces except for the creature monster,
which was done by Stan Winston.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And because I worked that's a legendary name and.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Since I worked in his shop, they approved me to
run the show. So I ran the show in between
every show we would shoot for six weeks. I'd be
there for six weeks, shoot for six weeks, would be
in the lap of six weeks.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Jerry Constantine was the lab tech that was assigned to
do my work.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, he was the guy who was in the box
right there of my.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Department show because it was so many things to make
every tucking episode.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
So that's how we became. And that was like twenty
years ago, and we just we've been working together.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
And they acted him for a less than three second
and shot which was sixty thousand dollars in special effects
with a head snap and a pull off. We showed him,
but we can't get unfortunately show.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
I don't think unless we know. Yeah, so it's a
head snap, pull the.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Guy's head, and.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Oh and I did.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
We didn't show them and we were having a brunches
and it was an amazing shot.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah, you guys, ever ever heard of the movie Midnight
Meat Trained, Meat Trained? Yes, okay, that was done by.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Director well yeah, yes, not to be confused with Pablo
and the Puerto Rican penis.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Almost yes, almost.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I noticed the spellings exactly exactly the same, especially, but
they're both special.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yeah, so yeah, anyway, so he directed that.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
He also directed another movie I worked with them on
called No One Lives, which is but Acclamation.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Which yeah, thats one's out.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Yeah, one of the best movies, best more movies, because
there's action, there's drama, there's love, there's comedy. Everything's in
that movie, and I'll blow your mind. That's why I
love the movie so much.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
And I worked on it.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That is what's you know what it's all about, guys,
And and for you folks out at home here watching this,
it's all about that journey of the storytelling correct And
that's how we and why we make the movies and
the projects that we do is because we want to
tell a story.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Well, Richard says something that's really great, and we've both
been stealing it forever.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
I don't know he stole it, but it's it's I
stole it from him.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
He always says, it's like, you know, if there's something
we're doing, And because he'll tell you, I'm so meticulous.
I want every fucking thing perfict and I get on
my crew but not you know, but not mean, but
I I just it's there's no mistakes. I don't believe
in them. Yeah, mistakes are not accidental. Shit happens, that's right.
And so he would always say to me, every time
(38:55):
I would say something, he goes, is it gonna.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Move the story forward?
Speaker 6 (39:00):
Ah, sadly to the intimacy.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
So I had me make forty arms, forty arms with
opera gloves, the satin gloves you pull on the satin gloves,
and then I held them.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Basically deck of legs.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, and make these monster hands because I have small hands.
I got my mother's hands. There we go, but put
them up, Mike patchers up and see I have small hands.
So we had we have an effect in the film
where uh anguished woman is running down a hall and
hands come out of the wall.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Trying to grab her.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
We had to coordinate it, so that was only women
in those gloves. So I have made forty different style gloves.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
That were just exactly and that was from the intimacy coordinator,
which is a person to make sure that.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Everything is PC on the set.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And the intimacy coordinators are not only on mainstream movies,
but they're also on the adult film you yeah, union,
Oh yeah they did. Yeah, it's union. It's sad after
a union.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Yeah, if you want, guy, She anticipated what happened, and
she says, it's not that we don't trust you guys
to grab their legs, because that would be fine, but
what if you accidentally slipped and touched something else.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, I'm not going to let it.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
And she would have had the guys because everybody wanted
to do it because this is so cool.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
You know.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Yeah, they thought they're gonna be a bloody but no,
so you know they could have done that. They could
have been up here touching their hair, but no, she
hadn't left on.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
This is why I can't go to family weddings, especially
the new husband is Levines and I've years little girl
as an actress or her model, and then she goes,
it's my slips showing, and I go right up her dress.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
And go I get that and fix it up.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Oh for god, yeah, yeah, it's all right.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
The director comes to me and says, can you fix
for this? Can you cover her nipples?
Speaker 4 (40:57):
And it's yeah, yeah, with.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
My time, Hollywood is a challenge. But we always have
thirty girls and we always have blood, and as you know,
I like all of it. Movie money is moving very fast.
Film moves very fast. We have to have that ready
to go. No one ever waits on us.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, that part I will tell them.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
I will say, I'm going to charge you more money.
Why because I'm bringing an extra person. And why because
I don't want camera waiting camera? Your camera will one
hour is the price of my makeup guy for the day?
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Got it? You film, you've wasted the whole crew, you've
wasted the camera.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
So that for one hour that you can wait for me,
or you can give me another three fifty so I
can have somebody on top of it without having to
be oh shit, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Finish in time.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
See now, Edrick is looking very attentive right now because
he said that's why boss, I need an assistant here
with me.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, it's all about but the guy didn't show up. Yeah,
he didn't show up.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
This it's not just about assistance, because it's like all
of you that will just be in unity.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Takes a village.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Have to really get into it because it's a passion.
And if you don't have passion in anything.
Speaker 5 (42:12):
In the film industry, then the film industry it's all
about artistic from.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah, just saying it's a Buddhist it's one vision, one
thousand eyes.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
We all have to focus on what their vision is.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
If we can't make that, you know, Michael's look, your
imagination is your only limitation.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
With us, we will do it.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
We want to tell them. They said I will bring
to life.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
I will bring to a reality your imagination, you know,
and it dependent on sometimes I'll say it the other way.
I want to bring your imagination to reality on the
big screen. And that's what I did, and that's why.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
And he pays me to just come in and go,
you know, we're to make this better.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
You can do that, but it looks stupid. I've done
that for Snoop Dogg. We did a picture of the tenant.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Story with Dylan McDermott and he Dylan McDermott came to
mic and he goes.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Make me look like you and he did, and he
went and he stood with the producers and they couldn't tell.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
They could not tell it was Dylan.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah, we get the job contact full, you know. And
that's the film pland I did the same thing. They
had no idea that that he was. He was sitting
in the room next to two of the actors of
the director and he just sat there, didn't say fucking word,
just sat there like other people were and they just
(43:52):
maybe right at him when he walked in the room,
you know, and everything.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
And they just couldn't believe it because he always had
short hair, clean shaven.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
For that movie, that's when he had long hair, big
minelbar mustache that grew into a golchi.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
But it just looked exactly like this wow longside.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
They thought he was a grip.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Whoa they thought they did.
Speaker 6 (44:14):
They thought he was a grip. And he's a great actor.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
He can do that where he's like a ninjine, just
slips in, changes his body pause, jamaghed. And that's that's
the choreography that it came from the family choreographers and
stuff that did it. We just choreographed the violence because
we do.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
The martial arts.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
So we work with the guys and we know everybody,
and we all love each other, and go, I gotta
gig for you, you gotta gig in. And bless Mike
for introducing me to Chuck Norris and Mike to my
groups and all that, because we trade out. I mean,
it's one big hooky low and let's beat shit out
of each other and then go.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
That's the thing about Orange, Yeah, it's a camie. It's
all camaraderie because we all love each other. We all
have the same respect for each other, same We all
know what it took to get everywhere where, whether we're
here or here, it still took forever to get here,
took forever to get here, to forever to get anywhere.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
You know, you did not just jump in the ring
and knock the motherfucker out. That's not how it works.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Yeah, you know, and that might just we couldn't because
of a conflict.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
We couldn't work with Cynthia Rothrock and then many people
remember her as China O'Brien.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Oh God, Yes, she still is gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
She came to mic and she has a movie not
ours was Blackwood. There's his Black Creek and it's coming out.
Ours is already out on him. Yeah, it's it's a
it's a Western martial arts and uh Richard Norton, who
passed away shortly thereafter.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
We'd love to say she sent him out of Star.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah, and he came.
Speaker 6 (45:54):
He came in from Australia. We got to see him
at the screening and stuff.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Because nobody knew he was dying.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, Mike, Mike donated effects to the film and let
Cynthia and Cynthia's like, when I get my bigger movie,
I want.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
You boys in and we got baby. We would love
to but yeah, because she was having their own makeup,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
She did for her.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Of course, I hate to cut you short here, but
we got here. Yeah, we had an incredible This has
been an incredible broadcast of the Inside the Industry. If
anything can be really called the inside the industry, it's
tonight's episode because.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
We really have gotten to gentlemen. Yes, that Chared, it's
not really a plug.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
It's just a lot of people like to call in.
You know and text me on the Instagram like Michael
woke back. I answer most of them, not within a day,
not within a minute, but usually within you know, a
few days, because you know, I do check it and
I have another checks it as well, and uh and
(47:01):
I have two of them and whichever one should check
them both for me because you know, nobody, I don't
really I don't talk like uh, you know, family on it.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
So most of it's about the people that call in
and they always ask questions and I.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Say, hey, so and we really appreciate you coming on tonight,
both of you guys. Yeah, thank you wonderful and anything
you want to plug.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
No, you can give my.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Picture at the post office or or give me through Mike.
You call me and oh yeah yeah, now I go
on the picture. I don't, I don't ye go yeah
o again there.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
If you go into IMDb, uh you'll find Richard under
will pat film Merks as well as his own name.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
He's part of that. He's one of my executors. And
uh so yeah, and I have the name Hollywood from
Bruce Lee. We all have a name like Wolf or
Hollywood because as you know, on the set, they go
Dennis and there's seven.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Guys named Dennis.
Speaker 6 (47:57):
Yeah, so they go Wolf Where Hollywood? Where's Wolf? For Wolf?
Where's Hollywood?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Especially if we're working with Willie Nelson or Snoop Dogg,
don't know where we're at.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Check their motor homes.
Speaker 6 (48:10):
Wow, we love our boys, Sam. Another one being shout.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Out Sam, Yeah, up.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
With Sam Elliot.
Speaker 5 (48:18):
Wait, I'll go back, Sam. Ellen's the funniest thing. We're
all a movie. Willie our Snoop dog work before he
joined the movie, and then he had the one trailer
and then uh, Sam Elliott got that trailer when he
came on because he wasn't there the first few days.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
And he comes on and he just said, you know,
you know they're potting everything here. Everybody's got it. He goes,
I just smell the walls.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Was there before me, Sam, wonderful Guyson Beverly Hills because
we were already up making the movie and it.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Was a big one.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, and I had the unfortunate name. It was a
big bang and it was Antonio Banderis is in it
and a few others.
Speaker 6 (49:03):
Anyway, Sar Sam.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Sam comes in in the middle of the picture to
do his time, and he's playing an astrophysicist who is
in an underground bunker. And the script is he has
a surfer with blonde hair to his waist. So Mike
sends him to Beverly Hills. While he's there, go get
the best, get hair extensions.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
So Sam, who I've worked with since I cut his
hair for Lifeguard.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
That far back, whoa And.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Sam's storming across the parking lot and he's got a
sailor cap on one of those nit ones and I, hey.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
Sam, anything I do for you?
Speaker 6 (49:43):
And he pulls the cap off.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
He had to fly down to Texas to check in
on his mom and stuff and fly up to us
and spoke Compton wherever we work, and he said, people.
Speaker 6 (49:55):
On the plane go, Hi, you're sating what happened to
your hair? So he's got these extensions which have now
been matted like dreadlocks.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
And he pulls his hat off and he's looks me
and he goes, can you fetch this?
Speaker 6 (50:08):
I'm like, well, I'll bet your career on it, and
we did, and we did.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
We had Valcimer fall asleep one night on on Wonderland
playing John Holmes, and he had frosting in his hair.
Speaker 6 (50:21):
We the blonde streaks. Well, the blood is made.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
If you're making.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Blood, it's red food coloring and Caro's syrup and that's
how we make the blood.
Speaker 6 (50:30):
A little drop of blue makes it older blood.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
But he was going to go home to the shower
and do all that.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
But he was just want us to go home with
the cut.
Speaker 6 (50:43):
We came his hair, he we came back.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
He was still asleep in the trailer because he was
having falcilmer bement. He's a character method guy and his
hair is pink, not like maybe it's now red washall
food coloring in your hair on the blonde and see
how long it's there. Yeah, and he's the star of
the movie.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
What did you do? Way?
Speaker 4 (51:09):
We fixed it. That's what we do.
Speaker 6 (51:10):
Since we do all that, man.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
And we couldn't we couldn't firm solution, which would have
taken it right out because he had a fermanent there,
so we would have tooken out of the curl.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Out, so we had a bleached individual.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Everything that had that must have taken hours. We did.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
We did the other one together.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
So the other one we had where he got blood
was we had fase on love and they're doing a
robbery and val Is forced by Faison to get his
hands dirty in the attack.
Speaker 6 (51:38):
Mike designed the attack.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
As we were going in, they pulled rebar out of
the wall where the bricks were kicked over. Very Laurel
Canyon to have knocked over bricks. Yeah, turning around, Mike said,
pull the rebar. Now when Billy all the boys had
come in with the money to make the movie from
brother for wherefore out there? So Billy's running up the
stairs and the other kids are slat anyway, this was
(52:01):
a beating in a massacre home invasion. Mike's hitting him
on the back of the legs with the rebar with
the makeup on it, so.
Speaker 6 (52:10):
It's making bruises.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
The rubber. We have doubles.
Speaker 6 (52:14):
It's a streaming scene. Now they get up to the
top and fase on large.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, and he's the best.
Speaker 6 (52:23):
He grabs val and he goes you get dirty now and.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
He pushes him on top of the guy laying down
and Valves got to hit him with the rebar, but
he's you know, it's an actor thing. You don't want
to hit the guy. Even a flexible rubber it's going
to stay the point. So what we did, Mike designed
a sandbag next to him and then said, take the
(52:48):
real rebar and hit that sandbag. Hit it, and Rickman,
you to lay on the floor and take a cup
of blood and just throw it in his face every
time he hits it. So you see him do this
and you just came up with them. Whoa, that's Mike's design. Whoa,
that's when any film?
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Is that a great insider? Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (53:12):
It was very nice to be here.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
No, thank you, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Do you guys again? You'd asked me that one question,
What do I love? I say to do? Do you
really really really think you can be in love with this?
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Go for it?
Speaker 5 (53:31):
Yah, hopefully you have another profession because it takes years
to start making money.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Years.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
Yeah, it's not like it was when we were younger.
And you know, if you've got to have the talent.
Speaker 5 (53:43):
We had to have a talent, but we didn't have
a million other makeup artists or hairdressers.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
For every job we went out on. Now that's all
you have.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
Everybody wants to go become a hairdresser. Ninety nine of
them will never be a hair and makeup person, and
that's the sad part. They'll never's there's only three percent
that are going to make a living, and only one
percent makes a good living.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Mike and I were hairdressers on motorcycles before the movie
Shampoo as You.
Speaker 6 (54:09):
Imagined, and we rode with the guys that movie has about.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yeah, yeah, I worked. It's been wonderful.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah. Next week we are going to be on Friday.
Is that correct Edric, We're going to be on Friday.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
We won't be on Wednesday, not because we're superstitious about
the thirteenth, but it's because.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
I know the blood.
Speaker 6 (54:35):
We can pop your head off.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yeah. I actually want to talk to you about working
on scissors too, but off camera. But we're going to
be on the fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Pre ORRAI pri Or II will be here with me
and some of the stars that are going to be
with us next weekend at the Urban EX Awards. Or remember,
you can still get a chance to win a free
ticket to go to the Urban X Towards on the
seventeenth Inside contest at gmail dot com. And also you
(55:06):
can get a free ticket to go to the TCL
Chinese Theater on Hollywood Boulevard right into Inside Contest at
gmail dot com. Until next time, I'm James Bartola, Mike Michaels,
Rick Hollywood, wet, goodnight, Goodnight.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
The Wolf
Hey, welcome back. And look who's with me right now.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
My BFF, mister Mike Michaels is here, and my other
VFF Richard here. Another great legend in the makeup world
special effects stuff. We were all having lunch at Sainte
presh CANTEENA and you showed me this thing on your
phone when you did a shot where the gun went
(00:24):
through the guy's head, opened up the back of the head,
and then the camera shot went through.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Okay, that hole the gentleman sits. We do operas of Vice. Yeah,
and Mike designed the shot. Jerry Constantine did the build
on it. And the story is a gentleman is desponding
over a stock investment he was sold, which is going
(00:52):
to send the stock salesman to purgatory making our movie.
But the gentleman himself sits at the bar in the
case of a cafe and he shoots, and a cannon
about the size of the microphone blows blood on everyone
behind him.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
WHOA, But what he's done is he's put the.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Gun in his mouth and blown his face off in
the back of his head. We now have a camera.
We're pumping blood through the syringes and fire extinguisors full
of blood and we stopped. So a camera with a
long lens can roll right to the back of his
(01:33):
head through the bullet entry out the mouth and see
the waitress wow in the pot with blood splashed on
her face.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Okay, that's.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Now, you before you got into.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
The world of Sfax, you were a martial arts star,
and that's where the term of the wolf came up.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yeah, My sense when I was fifteen said, uh, that's
how I thought, because I would take it. I would
block everything they gave me and back up and read
them and then attack. Where some fighters come out, they're
both either they're attacking each other or one's trying to
back up and he's just trying to defend themselves. Because
if you watch any of my my old tage, you'll
(02:20):
see that my face is not blocking. My face is
is understanding what he's doing next. Yeah, and my sense
at Parker just Alsodda is watching you is like watching
a wolf.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
He just I'm gonna start calling you a wolf now.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Now, when you work with Chuck Norris, I do he
d I d I m mm. You know you talk
to him about your martial arts beginnings and stuff. Did
you ever spar with him? I did, No, I just
kind of made that up really.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Oh yeah, Well it's when your f when your Buddi's
it's just he's got dojos.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
In every one of his homes.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Yeah, so and uh, you know, and if you get
caught in there and better be ready to handle it. Wow,
He'll sit there and he'll he'll bring out Bob, which
is the dummy.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Everybody calls it Bob, and it's a dummy from the
torso up.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, you know, no arms, and it's.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Just you where you hit, and his is electronics, So
wherever it hits, it tells you where you hit him.
You hit him in the stomach, it says solar flexes,
if you s if you hit him in a little
higher it says the abdominum. I mean, it tells you
where you've hit, which is really good for training.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So and then and if you hit him from behind,
you go, you hit him in the wallet.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I took.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, that's why I.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Hit him from behind.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
And then he'll sit there and do something like whatever
we were doing on the dummy.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
He goes, all, right, now what am I? What are
you gonna do?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
If you block this, and that's because the martial arts.
If he knows as well, you can train as long.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
As I have.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, and you come from the Bruce Lee line. Yeah,
he comes from the Bruce Lee.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You studied with the master Bruce Lee.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
No part of what happened. Bruce went off to make
a film, as we all do. He was still a
young man. I was training with the people. After Bruce
was making movies. He closed it down and he went
to the backyard of Danny and Ansanta.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yes, and I know that.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
The gentleman and trained them on his jab time. Jeque
kundo the jk D. They will come and train me.
I learned from the guy that was Bruce's gladiator. If
you said, thank you, Wow, if you said I learned
from two of his best and from every one of them.
(04:38):
And we're still family. And they named my daughter. I've
been that Wednesday Night JKD group since seventy two.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
So, and we still train. We're training for a film project.
Mike is producing and writing, which we can't do right.
But it's about guys our age and the adaptation to Knes.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah, it's a movie about.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, the thriller drama thriller, action, comedy, and definitely operative
because we're gonna do you know, it's one version with
the full and then another.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
Version carried him into car him into fashion women.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Those those movies have been popular with the ogs, with
the old guys coming in and kicking ass. Yeah, but
I mean with but I mean that genre. That formula
has come out in so many different Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
It's a little different.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
This is where people in the movie where you never
seen them together, you.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Don't even know they know each other.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
All of a sudden, they're in this three car garage
in yeah, just working out, like if you're hitting the bag,
joking around runs.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
They're just fucking around, right. Don't see them doing any
martial arts, yes, because all of them are. We're all
martial artists that are doing that. Seeing every one of them.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
The actors, and these are all guys over fifteen, they're
over sixty, over sixty.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Coordinator. I don't know if you know who James lewis. Yes, right, okay,
Well he's my coordinator. Thinking he directed for the fight.
Because it's gonna take three days to shoot one fight.
There's yeah, about fifteen of us. There's gonna be about
twenty five game numbers, Wow, driving by their cards to
fuck with people, and all of a sudden they see
that's working there, and they stop and go, look at
(06:41):
the fucking old farts working.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Oh, look at the bad a, look at the old fox.
And we just looked at each other and together.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Okay, So you see twelve to fifteen old guys over
sixty kicking the mother fucking shit out of twenty five
to thirty.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You want to you want to see that. That just
sounds like a great project.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It's a fun scene. But the movie is all about it.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So you're in pre production on that pre.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Pre production where the script is written.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It's pre pre production. I mean, no pubes on it yet,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
The bank.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Oh just for god, you got better budget than mine.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Yeah, well no, the movie is a lot more we
need to. Yeah, we already.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Generally even with a modest budget, and moved in them.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
And it's not about that. It's we dig doing them.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
We like it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Sometimes we go oh yeah, South Dakota, and it's we're
making the costume.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's about the storytelling process.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Yeah, it's about just getting away from the ranch.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
No I dig yet, I dig yet, I dig yet.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, but I gotta go with mine because it's work. Yeah,
and u'se my location wife. There we are and we
go off and we go to a Walmart and we
can make a movie. Yeah, we can also go to
the lab and make it a very expensive movie.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
We do both, but we uh.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
A lot of that work has done in post, isn't
it No?
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Not all corporation, because what happens is they can't do blood.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Yeah, they'll do the enhanced the eye we'll come to
like squaveheas all right, so you'll see that, but don't
that's a fashion serious like you got. But when you
want to see you got to be practical. So the
CGI they'll definitely enhance it with lights and whatever. It
just doesn't work. Yeah, it's just you can't start there.
(08:36):
So you've got to have that does love the practical
and then that five percent just fucking kicks it out
and makes it look something.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
When you go to make the movie, you're gonna go
to South Dakota and they're gonna use re enactors who
are all going to show up with their pistols from
their ranch and they'll have the thing. We're doing period
Western Yeah, and uh bake twild. The movie is called Blackwood.
I recommended it fabulous because.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We did it.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Yeah, and we did the stunts. We did all thefecial effects,
all the makeup, bruisers, hung.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
A tree, hung a horse in a tree, and the monsters.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
The wind to Go, it's a mythical creature. If you
don't prepare for your rations for the winter, the wind
to Go will come and you know, eat, Grandma.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
What's for dinner? Grandma?
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Yeah, And we made the movie and a fun in
my house.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, we make.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
These these films and they go, oh, well, we want
the monster to come out of the outhouse and grandma guys.
So we go, okay, fuck, yeah, we can do that.
We want to see his nails come off on the wood.
Terror and violence. We want to I want to check.
I want to have five minutes in the movie. So
I get another check. So I had just gone down
(09:57):
to Mexico to get Hollywood teeth, don't you.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
I went to the director. I pulled them out.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I'm already doing stunts and blood and effects with Mike,
and we're directing the film from our department. I can
use the direction and the kids first movie. And he goes, okay,
and I screamed with no teeth in and.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
He goes, that's perfect. I went back.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
When you see Blackwood, the first five minutes of that
film is paying my ranching habit because I scream, I
get gutted by the monster and I'm running through the
snow doing face falls in my guts hanging out and
the guy finally leans me against the tree and then
ties me up and steals with the gold that we
(10:38):
had taken from the wind to go. So we're the
guys that pissed off the monster, so we do everything
in the film.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And the horror movies are the genre that worked so
much right now, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
The elaboration of the stunt and the special attech makeup,
bitch to do with anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Are you guys going to the Midsommer Scream next weekend?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Long Beach Convention Center. It's a horror convention.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah yeah, I'm just gonna go for one day because
I'm going to promote a Scissors and our new movie,
Murder Motel.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Okay, so I'm gonna go down there with a couple. Yeah.
Oh yeah, Scissors is out now.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Uh, it's our, it's our, I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
The goods our yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I mean there's some nudity in it, but nothing that
would make it ext but no sex.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, but I met doing a guy foolishly hired us
to do a beauty.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Conference of a couple of thousands.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Started.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, let's go back up.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
We both started in beauty makeup, we got into effect.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
We both then went to beauty.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's right, you were you were a hair and stylist. Yeah,
Ventura Boulevard.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
He did Penthouse Pat of the Year and I was
working with Playmate of the Year for Playboy. We were
doing the New Romantics and and and we got together
to do this dog and Pony show and we've been
doing it now fifty years.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Wow, body painting. Yeah, was supervising at the mansion. Yeah,
because I'd go to the mansion. Yeah, and then then
he and I go back. I had a show called
elle Knightlife. Some of you out there have been writing
about that, and you remember that show. We're gonna be
(12:43):
showing the old episodes of that on our Roku TV
channel soon. But Mike was my co host.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
He was my.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Pat uh to my remember, there was a guy who
had pat what's his name McCormick was his sidekick. They're
not Paul Williams, but there was talk show host. But
you were like my Ed McMahon to my Johnny cart Son.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
My. Yeah. Anyways, we had.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Never seen the man do anything, though.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
He pushed a lot of liquor. Edric. You have that picture.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
My My my assistant found this picture and this was
you and me, our friend E. G. Daily and your
daughter when she was a little gal and yeah and
uh a.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
She Brew her through his time in the industry as
a single father.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Yeah, in his contract that he brought his daughters.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Right on the set.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, that's what in my contract. Have kidble travel.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
And when people would go look at her, what do
they mean by have kid will travel? They would look,
I have a daughter and she comes with me. All
you have to do pay for you know, let her
eat with everybody.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
But she is not a lot.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
And she put her on the flight with me. She
also drives, remember the golf cart. Oh my god. She
was about twelve years old and she was dry. Oh
my god, look at that.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
What a great.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Look at the abs on her. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, I had a full old head of hair. You
had a fold head of hair. We were a little
dark hair back then. I used to have that flashy
little thing that I'd have my lapel all the time.
That was like the heart beating. Yeah, that was like
the little side gig. And then we had we had
a musical band. We had Jack Knack and the heart
(14:44):
Attack was our house band.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
We had them at the.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Uh what was that place that worked at that we
did Wonderland, the movie.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
About about John Home.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, where we did Wither. Yeah, nightclub raving crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It was on Santa Monica and Crets and Heights and
it was called the star Wood.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
It was like bouncer for almost a year and a half.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, they're the ones who sent me over.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
To New York for three months to work with fifty four.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
But they reopened, Wow, closed down because they got burned
and they reopened and was already taken from other Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, brought a few hooks out there. That's how to
work with guy if he didn't leave.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And then for many years you were with a wonderful
place they're called Cinement Secrets that's now closed.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
There I work.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Yeah, you know, they would hire me to do all
their their sponsor stuff that they would have like a
real commercial or something, or they need to bulk up demonstration.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I'd come in and do all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I just knew.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
We both knew. Maurice the owner of mary Stein.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
He was a wonder full guy, his whole fam. It
was a family run business and people people lined up
for hours to get their makeup done.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And then I.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Wrote, I drove by there recently after one of our
strikes at Warner Brothers, and I saw they had a
restaurant there, and I was like, God, what an institution
this was.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
There every day, so was he and he noticed the
downfall when it was originally he started getting to the
point that he wasn't coming in every day, and they
started this new downfall. And then when he said, you know,
then he got sick the completely. It was people that
they came into him.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And this was the man who created that original makeup
for the original planet of the Planet of the Apes,
one of the guys on there.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Yeah, he helped formulate the but it wasn't his makeup
emulation for them to put it easier, because it was
it was.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
William Tuttle, and that's factor.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
And what they did was they were using sesame soil
feed oil to miss it like we've done our whole lives. Yeah,
and then what he did was he got the ingredients
of service of sesame seed oil because it goes through refinery,
so he took and put it through a refiner and took.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
The oil out so it wasn't shiny.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
We used it to break down the foundation the drop of.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
That and this, and did it make a better adhes.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Have done that drive with the flannity of the apes.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
They had to gather all the makeup artists.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
They go, we put the appliance they call it the
mountains on and the teeth.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
They go, it's not working. And this story is direct
from Maurice.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
He said, we went to the zoo, got a day
paid to go to the zoo and look at him
and see what it was. The same small tricks secret
we use in Hollywood. We also used to make somebody
look sick. So if you need a day off word, yeah,
you take the eyelid down and you put red inso
just red pencil, yeah, at the bottom of your eyelid. Yeah,
(18:10):
it's an eye pencil, doesn't It made them look it
made them look wild, wow, without them free dancing.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Now we have a video lined up to put in here.
This was this is on your website there, Yes, can
we throw that video up? Maybe we can have it
up in a corner of the screen there. Now, remember
we're on a delay, so we're not seeing.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Michaels.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Very cool now that tr on that I think is
are they hearing that or are they hearing the audio?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So this was a nice little thing. You've had this
also running on the YouTube there.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Like the reality.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
So come join my crew and I we're gonna show
you the insiders, the view and how to bring the mayhem.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Out of my mind? Well, what advice would you give
for a young makeup artist out there?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, I'm just getting that.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Look at Richard, he's thinking of a profound answer right now,
you too.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I do.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Everything plumbing, how to use my child everything on the internet.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I take advantage of that an experiment at home.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
The law for Maurice's stunt, great famous memory's if it
looks bad to you, it looks bad to the camera.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
All half cameras.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
The one on your phone is better than anything you
had in the day in the studio.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Hell, yeah, it's amazing, and you can.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's a wonderful child Like I'm careful what he really
was a child.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
It's gonna come location because.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well I can tell there you are right there in.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Special downstage and seeing blood.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Are in all these war times and we have some
ring you can't get the just shows battlons.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
But you got an Emmy for them what they throw.
We're ready to run.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I think you gotta be ready to bring bring because
something wrong. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeahbody.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh yeah. When I did that evil dead, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
We know it's called twenty four. We go thro crew
out the cruise. We had like giving alternate.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Production plans, and the department had just what's.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Fascinating more the ones that work with all the orders,
my gas number of things.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Definitely not fun taking orders from making artist.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Actually, that's definitely.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
There is a lot of the.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Prosthetics imagination. My god, you start ringing higher sixty comes out.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Whoa, this is scary.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
My hands are mel terrible.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Gap of things can get very stressful in next section
to the extendent, where you are watching the air blow
out of your eyebrows. Product, we just can't one around
finish usual many times the same I love you to death,
but should take the world.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
We got a way to grab out a little bit.
Dad I'm calling the world. For over thirty years, I
was martial artists in a cage.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Time and a lot of people don't realize that there's
hours that goes into the matter up in put that
makeup on, and then hours to take them off.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So literally it is four hour days.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
First, somebody that were there to clean rolls, you learned
to be there the third row, every finel, every year,
every every Some of our adussures were great. See what
cartridges if they weren't half full, they put them in
(22:27):
another file that was less than half and put a
brand new one in.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
We got Well.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Now with the big special effects movies, we're doing more
and more uh practical special effects.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Mike is a fully trained team that is unbelievable that
keeps all that stuff up and his his people are aestheticians.
They do massage film on everybody in women so when
(23:01):
the actors come back, they get the makeup taken off
and then they get a full skincare line. After a
few weeks, their face isn't beat up because that's so
important because you know the son.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
That's a good point big money.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, I love that, that's the funniest I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, I got to cut in here. Stranger Things?
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Who the show? Stranger Things?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Stranger Things? Yeah, what about it?
Speaker 5 (23:29):
I did the first season and designed the bible for
all five years, which they're using now.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
The last season is going into production. Now. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
He called me and said, you want to be on
the show, and I go, No, that sounds stupid.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I turned it down.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
No way you turned down Stranger Things.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Of course he said no, come on, man, we're having
a lot of fun. And he gave me some of
the story and I go, and if you had the
elevator And I'm like, now, no, no.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
It sounds dumb, stupid.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I got other things.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I got better plans, Master and Manders. I believe that
was the one you got the Oscar.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
No I'm for but yeah, yeah, there was the Oscar.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Nomination Russell Crowe. I believe it the star that I
was on the Six People.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I have the paper that says that we were nominated,
which is fucking I wish I got the statue the Oscar.
But now I have been involved in two Oscars besides
this one that I wasn't even on the show.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I worked for one. I'm not gonna say names because
everybody starts calling and what she didn't get the I
she calls me up. I was.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I was in New York and she was, you know,
well hold on before your going, let's take a call
here right now.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Okay, it's Jason.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah, Jason, Hey, I heard you turned down Stranger Things.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Michael worked on it, but Richard turned it down. We
got a picture there of Bobby Brown there and the
other kid.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Richard had working with me for almost fifty years. We've
been He's been my second on I can't count, like
seventy five eighty movies.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, you guys work together on Battlestar. No, no, it
didn't work come out.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
I was doing children's commercials because they paid so.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well yeah, oh fuck yeah, I did those back in
the day. Yeah, the corporation due no put back some
Stranger Things.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You deserve a break today.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Designed the looks when I got the script, and then
I got the Bible, so I had a design for
all five seasons.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
That was my job.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I got paid.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I was.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
Yeah, I got paid for four months prep work, which
was about right because I was working the whole time
doing it, and I was on another show at the
same time, and I was literally twenty four hours I
was like, no sleep, and then I got finish it
up and then I did. We did the first season
made everything about their creature. The monster that was done
(26:06):
by Jason, and Jason's know You're stands for best is
one of the amazing ones.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
That kind of plant looking thing. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah, he didn't want the color.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
It's not him, I won't do it, and he just
said it still looked great. It was disgusting of what
it did, but he wanted to make it more natural colors.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
And it's a really bloody wealthy. Oh it's bloody.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
And we had a blasts pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Yeah, we had a blasphon literally everybody though Calf was beautiful.
Everybody was wonderful, you know, everybody.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Because the two directors, you know, not putting them down
or anything because I can't, but they're not the easiest
people to get along with.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
They're not really polite and they know I've said it
out loud to them a few times so they know it.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, let me ask you, this was it when when
you've got all of that blood, when you've got those
scary moments, certain things, and we all know it's it's
pretend because you know, we worked behind and in front
of the camera. But these kids are coming in and
some of them it was their first project. Do you
have to sit them down and explain to these kids
about the stuff or what them.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Show them?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
How it filled when they did the movie pap oh,
and that'sn't often.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah, you see him getting hung at the gallows.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Yeah, they had people come from the mental institute and
didn't tell them it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Real, so they were really freaking out.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
They're gonna kill your puppy, Jackie Coogan. Oh, it's just
come on, it's his Hollywood. The crap they do to
get that emotion.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, I think he's still there.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah, I'm still here.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay, do you have another question? What I was just
letting him talk? Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, sorry that Yeah, we won't shut up, so it's okay.
They want to know if you know Millie Bobby Brown.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I still know her.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
I went with her for those ten months the first
season with ten months, they've been five months ever since.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
But because we had so much, you know, so much
more to do.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
And Millie Bobby was one of the most amazing human
beings I think I've ever met, because I met her
when she was eleven years old, and she was more
knowledgeable than most people. I know it, full adultsthood. She
was amazing. She's brilliant, she's smart. She already knew where
she wanted to do and what she was going to
do and how she was going to get there. She
knew where she was going to be. Of course I
(28:51):
agreed with her, because then what's going to happen? I mean,
she was just so brilliant. But I will tell you
because everybody's all. Everybody knows she's got one all of us.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
She's great. Yeah, well that's what happens when you're you know,
you're English.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I'm friends with her, Millie Bobby.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
No, she's amazing, and she's really a sweethearted person. She
really lovely.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
All right, Jason, thanks for calling in the night.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
To talk to you all right.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Now, you've been working in the Marvel universe, you've been
working with all of these other studios.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Which project movie stands out with you?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Gentlemen, It's like, that's the one I'm going to be
sitting in the old makeup artist home, Shane.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Remember that I can't talk about the corners.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You can.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
The only ones wanting to remember.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Mike, you could say that. See those awards, baby, Yeah,
that's yeah, that's what I've been doing.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I did hit the movies in my early days. I
had no problem with them.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
They were pretty expensive ones too.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Oh we had great budgets back then. Oh yeah, no,
no big budget.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah, I think one.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Hundred if we did that, one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars you did, Yeah, that were like fifteen twenty.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Yeah, it's not it's not a real reach from Playboy.
A lot of them, man, as you know, we're the
same girls. Yeah, yeah, and in all classics, and we
worked together, you.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Know, and.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, it's just it's just making a pretty girl pretty
is what we did. But we also did a couple
of movies with effects.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
You probably know.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Xon Exon was his name, Xeon Zon, Yeah, black.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
A friend of my daughter. They went for acting classes
since they were thirteen together.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
But even when after were she said, for you, what
was the one from Stella thirteen? The movie about the flash?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Oh oh yes, yes, yes, I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Okay, some know as anyway, it's flashing and it was
about what it is about his life.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
The guy that you know that played playing Hogan's Heroo.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Oh, Richard Dawson.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
It was about Richard.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It was a real prick though in real Yeah again
it's terrible.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
It was the guy that was the lead and he
had a thing about photographing and you did that.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yes, that was Richard Dawson about Richard Grip.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Michael had to make for vaginas because wait, no, don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah, so where do you get there?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Okay, they have a name for that.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
We yes, yes, anyway, we get all of them ready,
all the girls gorgeous as can be.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
They're all dolled out and they're going to go to
the pool.
Speaker 5 (31:57):
Okay, yeah, so you know it's got to be waterproove
making and you can't be like you in all the
different shines and stuff. But it had to look really
good because you know, they were all bathing beauties and
a lot of them were going to be naked because
it was made in the seventies, of those parties, of
all the pool parties.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
The sad part was they forgot to tell the war
job and the body.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Makeup girl because she was preating tans on everybody. What
was in the seventies cubig hair and tan lines, not
one of these.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Girls and then they were not covered in tats. No, no,
they didn't have pear cover that.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, so we hired two girls you know, to do
it and then it was there in a minute.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
So I go up to the producer and I'm looking,
going something's wrong here. I couldn't figure out that, I
was said, So I went up to the producer and
my boss. Because I wasn't lead, I was key special effects.
And so I went up to the key and I said, hey,
this is nineteen seventy one. Where's the fubiic and we're
their tan lines? And she goes She runs over in
(33:07):
the director and tells him that.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
He goes, good call. He was a great director goes
up to me and says, what can you do? They're
gonna give us like an hour? Is that call? I said, yeah,
if we just have pieces of you.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Know, the other the guys and they're going to move
around and come back to the pool, I said, perfect
is an hour.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Richard Snell was there.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
It was really good at a fast paint airbushing too,
So we just got a bunch of cardboard and just
you know, and you know, airbush taand lines because they
were already tanned.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
They were all spray.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
They did the same thing on Baywatch, but they did
yeah yeah, but the d.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Dans they took them off.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
I did a fashion show, my first show with Maurice
Stein and yeah, fashion show photo shoot for Guyanna gowns
which those of you who weren't in the seventies, they're
like a T shirt, very tight, little long matsie dress.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Okay, I've seen him. He looks really good at this.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I don't look big six old will make up artists
with their beauty glamour kids and they're gonna basically do
Marrily Monroe makeup because it's never changed.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
That's always the class.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I got it right.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
But they give the new kid, they go put him
on tape. And they had me a roll of surgical
tape and they lined up all the models down the
hall and had them put them right where they wanted them,
and I would tape them right then and that was
(34:29):
it and get the alignment like headlights.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
And I've done that. Celebrity famous celebrities, and you sit there.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
And you go, yeah, here you go, be right up
your dress and the problem and go like that and
you kill them.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
But in this politically correct, woke world, that we live
in now. Those things you know, they just tough for
a film, did you know?
Speaker 6 (34:55):
And it's called an intimacy coordinator.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Exactly. That's big job now we had to do.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I can't show him because we're still under its head.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
The movie has NBA right right, yeah, But Mike.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Goes, hey, man, come on in.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
It's an easy job. So I didn't do stranger things.
And he goes, come on in, this is great. He goes, no,
we're throwing people out of third story windows. Sorority girl
pushes boom starts. I can't give you a lot of this,
but we're gonna blow a guy's head boof off, and
then we're gonna come through with the cameras and Jerry
are guys nominated for two Academy Awards. He's just Jerry
(35:34):
comes and he's just doing the Marlon Brando picture and
he's nice enough to work with us. I'm cutting faces
off and all the stuff we do for the film
we've been.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Working together for.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Like, this is so fascinating, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Did you ever see the show.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Called Creature features not the original, but that when we
brought him back, but remakes of the day the world
ended to tell.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
The monster how to make a wear wool.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
So Samuel and then his son took it over.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
Yeah, so and he redid a bunch of them and
made some new ones with cutting edge on guard directors.
And again I was the part has and and I
was doing all the pieces except for the creature monster,
which was done by Stan Winston.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And because I worked that's a legendary name and.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Since I worked in his shop, they approved me to
run the show. So I ran the show in between
every show we would shoot for six weeks. I'd be
there for six weeks, shoot for six weeks, would be
in the lap of six weeks.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Jerry Constantine was the lab tech that was assigned to
do my work.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, he was the guy who was in the box
right there of my.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Department show because it was so many things to make
every tucking episode.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
So that's how we became. And that was like twenty
years ago, and we just we've been working together.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
And they acted him for a less than three second
and shot which was sixty thousand dollars in special effects
with a head snap and a pull off. We showed him,
but we can't get unfortunately show.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
I don't think unless we know. Yeah, so it's a
head snap, pull the.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Guy's head, and.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Oh and I did.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
We didn't show them and we were having a brunches
and it was an amazing shot.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Yeah, you guys, ever ever heard of the movie Midnight
Meat Trained, Meat Trained? Yes, okay, that was done by.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Director well yeah, yes, not to be confused with Pablo
and the Puerto Rican penis.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Almost yes, almost.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
I noticed the spellings exactly exactly the same, especially, but
they're both special.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yeah, so yeah, anyway, so he directed that.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
He also directed another movie I worked with them on
called No One Lives, which is but Acclamation.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Which yeah, thats one's out.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Yeah, one of the best movies, best more movies, because
there's action, there's drama, there's love, there's comedy. Everything's in
that movie, and I'll blow your mind. That's why I
love the movie so much.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
And I worked on it.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
That is what's you know what it's all about, guys,
And and for you folks out at home here watching this,
it's all about that journey of the storytelling correct And
that's how we and why we make the movies and
the projects that we do is because we want to
tell a story.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
Well, Richard says something that's really great, and we've both
been stealing it forever.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
I don't know he stole it, but it's it's I
stole it from him.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
He always says, it's like, you know, if there's something
we're doing, And because he'll tell you, I'm so meticulous.
I want every fucking thing perfict and I get on
my crew but not you know, but not mean, but
I I just it's there's no mistakes. I don't believe
in them. Yeah, mistakes are not accidental. Shit happens, that's right.
And so he would always say to me, every time
(38:55):
I would say something, he goes, is it gonna.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Move the story forward?
Speaker 6 (39:00):
Ah, sadly to the intimacy.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
So I had me make forty arms, forty arms with
opera gloves, the satin gloves you pull on the satin gloves,
and then I held them.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Basically deck of legs.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, and make these monster hands because I have small hands.
I got my mother's hands. There we go, but put
them up, Mike patchers up and see I have small hands.
So we had we have an effect in the film
where uh anguished woman is running down a hall and
hands come out of the wall.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Trying to grab her.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
We had to coordinate it, so that was only women
in those gloves. So I have made forty different style gloves.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
That were just exactly and that was from the intimacy coordinator,
which is a person to make sure that.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Everything is PC on the set.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And the intimacy coordinators are not only on mainstream movies,
but they're also on the adult film you yeah, union,
Oh yeah they did. Yeah, it's union. It's sad after
a union.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Yeah, if you want, guy, She anticipated what happened, and
she says, it's not that we don't trust you guys
to grab their legs, because that would be fine, but
what if you accidentally slipped and touched something else.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, I'm not going to let it.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
And she would have had the guys because everybody wanted
to do it because this is so cool.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
You know.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Yeah, they thought they're gonna be a bloody but no,
so you know they could have done that. They could
have been up here touching their hair, but no, she
hadn't left on.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
This is why I can't go to family weddings, especially
the new husband is Levines and I've years little girl
as an actress or her model, and then she goes,
it's my slips showing, and I go right up her dress.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
And go I get that and fix it up.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Oh for god, yeah, yeah, it's all right.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
The director comes to me and says, can you fix
for this? Can you cover her nipples?
Speaker 4 (40:57):
And it's yeah, yeah, with.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
My time, Hollywood is a challenge. But we always have
thirty girls and we always have blood, and as you know,
I like all of it. Movie money is moving very fast.
Film moves very fast. We have to have that ready
to go. No one ever waits on us.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, that part I will tell them.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
I will say, I'm going to charge you more money.
Why because I'm bringing an extra person. And why because
I don't want camera waiting camera? Your camera will one
hour is the price of my makeup guy for the day?
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Got it? You film, you've wasted the whole crew, you've
wasted the camera.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
So that for one hour that you can wait for me,
or you can give me another three fifty so I
can have somebody on top of it without having to
be oh shit, I didn't.
Speaker 4 (41:46):
Finish in time.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
See now, Edrick is looking very attentive right now because
he said that's why boss, I need an assistant here
with me.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, it's all about but the guy didn't show up. Yeah,
he didn't show up.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
This it's not just about assistance, because it's like all
of you that will just be in unity.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Takes a village.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Have to really get into it because it's a passion.
And if you don't have passion in anything.
Speaker 5 (42:12):
In the film industry, then the film industry it's all
about artistic from.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah, just saying it's a Buddhist it's one vision, one
thousand eyes.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
We all have to focus on what their vision is.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
If we can't make that, you know, Michael's look, your
imagination is your only limitation.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
With us, we will do it.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
We want to tell them. They said I will bring
to life.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
I will bring to a reality your imagination, you know,
and it dependent on sometimes I'll say it the other way.
I want to bring your imagination to reality on the
big screen. And that's what I did, and that's why.
Speaker 6 (42:59):
And he pays me to just come in and go,
you know, we're to make this better.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (43:05):
You can do that, but it looks stupid. I've done
that for Snoop Dogg. We did a picture of the tenant.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Story with Dylan McDermott and he Dylan McDermott came to
mic and he goes.
Speaker 4 (43:19):
Make me look like you and he did, and he
went and he stood with the producers and they couldn't tell.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
They could not tell it was Dylan.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah, we get the job contact full, you know. And
that's the film pland I did the same thing. They
had no idea that that he was. He was sitting
in the room next to two of the actors of
the director and he just sat there, didn't say fucking word,
just sat there like other people were and they just
(43:52):
maybe right at him when he walked in the room,
you know, and everything.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
And they just couldn't believe it because he always had
short hair, clean shaven.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
For that movie, that's when he had long hair, big
minelbar mustache that grew into a golchi.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
But it just looked exactly like this wow longside.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
They thought he was a grip.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Whoa they thought they did.
Speaker 6 (44:14):
They thought he was a grip. And he's a great actor.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
He can do that where he's like a ninjine, just
slips in, changes his body pause, jamaghed. And that's that's
the choreography that it came from the family choreographers and
stuff that did it. We just choreographed the violence because
we do.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
The martial arts.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
So we work with the guys and we know everybody,
and we all love each other, and go, I gotta
gig for you, you gotta gig in. And bless Mike
for introducing me to Chuck Norris and Mike to my
groups and all that, because we trade out. I mean,
it's one big hooky low and let's beat shit out
of each other and then go.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
That's the thing about Orange, Yeah, it's a camie. It's
all camaraderie because we all love each other. We all
have the same respect for each other, same We all
know what it took to get everywhere where, whether we're
here or here, it still took forever to get here,
took forever to get here, to forever to get anywhere.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
You know, you did not just jump in the ring
and knock the motherfucker out. That's not how it works.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Yeah, you know, and that might just we couldn't because
of a conflict.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
We couldn't work with Cynthia Rothrock and then many people
remember her as China O'Brien.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Oh God, Yes, she still is gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
She came to mic and she has a movie not
ours was Blackwood. There's his Black Creek and it's coming out.
Ours is already out on him. Yeah, it's it's a
it's a Western martial arts and uh Richard Norton, who
passed away shortly thereafter.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
We'd love to say she sent him out of Star.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah, and he came.
Speaker 6 (45:54):
He came in from Australia. We got to see him
at the screening and stuff.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
Because nobody knew he was dying.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, Mike, Mike donated effects to the film and let
Cynthia and Cynthia's like, when I get my bigger movie,
I want.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
You boys in and we got baby. We would love
to but yeah, because she was having their own makeup,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
She did for her.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Of course, I hate to cut you short here, but
we got here. Yeah, we had an incredible This has
been an incredible broadcast of the Inside the Industry. If
anything can be really called the inside the industry, it's
tonight's episode because.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
We really have gotten to gentlemen. Yes, that Chared, it's
not really a plug.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
It's just a lot of people like to call in.
You know and text me on the Instagram like Michael
woke back. I answer most of them, not within a day,
not within a minute, but usually within you know, a
few days, because you know, I do check it and
I have another checks it as well, and uh and
(47:01):
I have two of them and whichever one should check
them both for me because you know, nobody, I don't
really I don't talk like uh, you know, family on it.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
So most of it's about the people that call in
and they always ask questions and I.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Say, hey, so and we really appreciate you coming on tonight,
both of you guys. Yeah, thank you wonderful and anything
you want to plug.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
No, you can give my.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Picture at the post office or or give me through Mike.
You call me and oh yeah yeah, now I go
on the picture. I don't, I don't ye go yeah
o again there.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
If you go into IMDb, uh you'll find Richard under
will pat film Merks as well as his own name.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
He's part of that. He's one of my executors. And
uh so yeah, and I have the name Hollywood from
Bruce Lee. We all have a name like Wolf or
Hollywood because as you know, on the set, they go
Dennis and there's seven.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Guys named Dennis.
Speaker 6 (47:57):
Yeah, so they go Wolf Where Hollywood? Where's Wolf? For Wolf?
Where's Hollywood?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Especially if we're working with Willie Nelson or Snoop Dogg,
don't know where we're at.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Check their motor homes.
Speaker 6 (48:10):
Wow, we love our boys, Sam. Another one being shout.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Out Sam, Yeah, up.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
With Sam Elliot.
Speaker 5 (48:18):
Wait, I'll go back, Sam. Ellen's the funniest thing. We're
all a movie. Willie our Snoop dog work before he
joined the movie, and then he had the one trailer
and then uh, Sam Elliott got that trailer when he
came on because he wasn't there the first few days.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
And he comes on and he just said, you know,
you know they're potting everything here. Everybody's got it. He goes,
I just smell the walls.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Was there before me, Sam, wonderful Guyson Beverly Hills because
we were already up making the movie and it.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
Was a big one.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, and I had the unfortunate name. It was a
big bang and it was Antonio Banderis is in it
and a few others.
Speaker 6 (49:03):
Anyway, Sar Sam.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Sam comes in in the middle of the picture to
do his time, and he's playing an astrophysicist who is
in an underground bunker. And the script is he has
a surfer with blonde hair to his waist. So Mike
sends him to Beverly Hills. While he's there, go get
the best, get hair extensions.
Speaker 4 (49:23):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
So Sam, who I've worked with since I cut his
hair for Lifeguard.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
That far back, whoa And.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Sam's storming across the parking lot and he's got a
sailor cap on one of those nit ones and I, hey.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
Sam, anything I do for you?
Speaker 6 (49:43):
And he pulls the cap off.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
He had to fly down to Texas to check in
on his mom and stuff and fly up to us
and spoke Compton wherever we work, and he said, people.
Speaker 6 (49:55):
On the plane go, Hi, you're sating what happened to
your hair? So he's got these extensions which have now
been matted like dreadlocks.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
And he pulls his hat off and he's looks me
and he goes, can you fetch this?
Speaker 6 (50:08):
I'm like, well, I'll bet your career on it, and
we did, and we did.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
We had Valcimer fall asleep one night on on Wonderland
playing John Holmes, and he had frosting in his hair.
Speaker 6 (50:21):
We the blonde streaks. Well, the blood is made.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
If you're making.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Blood, it's red food coloring and Caro's syrup and that's
how we make the blood.
Speaker 6 (50:30):
A little drop of blue makes it older blood.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
But he was going to go home to the shower
and do all that.
Speaker 4 (50:41):
But he was just want us to go home with
the cut.
Speaker 6 (50:43):
We came his hair, he we came back.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
He was still asleep in the trailer because he was
having falcilmer bement. He's a character method guy and his
hair is pink, not like maybe it's now red washall
food coloring in your hair on the blonde and see
how long it's there. Yeah, and he's the star of
the movie.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
What did you do? Way?
Speaker 4 (51:09):
We fixed it. That's what we do.
Speaker 6 (51:10):
Since we do all that, man.
Speaker 5 (51:12):
And we couldn't we couldn't firm solution, which would have
taken it right out because he had a fermanent there,
so we would have tooken out of the curl.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Out, so we had a bleached individual.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Everything that had that must have taken hours. We did.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
We did the other one together.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
So the other one we had where he got blood
was we had fase on love and they're doing a
robbery and val Is forced by Faison to get his
hands dirty in the attack.
Speaker 6 (51:38):
Mike designed the attack.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
As we were going in, they pulled rebar out of
the wall where the bricks were kicked over. Very Laurel
Canyon to have knocked over bricks. Yeah, turning around, Mike said,
pull the rebar. Now when Billy all the boys had
come in with the money to make the movie from
brother for wherefore out there? So Billy's running up the
stairs and the other kids are slat anyway, this was
(52:01):
a beating in a massacre home invasion. Mike's hitting him
on the back of the legs with the rebar with
the makeup on it, so.
Speaker 6 (52:10):
It's making bruises.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
The rubber. We have doubles.
Speaker 6 (52:14):
It's a streaming scene. Now they get up to the
top and fase on large.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, and he's the best.
Speaker 6 (52:23):
He grabs val and he goes you get dirty now and.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
He pushes him on top of the guy laying down
and Valves got to hit him with the rebar, but
he's you know, it's an actor thing. You don't want
to hit the guy. Even a flexible rubber it's going
to stay the point. So what we did, Mike designed
a sandbag next to him and then said, take the
(52:48):
real rebar and hit that sandbag. Hit it, and Rickman,
you to lay on the floor and take a cup
of blood and just throw it in his face every
time he hits it. So you see him do this
and you just came up with them. Whoa, that's Mike's design. Whoa,
that's when any film?
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Is that a great insider? Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (53:12):
It was very nice to be here.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
No, thank you, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Do you guys again? You'd asked me that one question,
What do I love? I say to do? Do you
really really really think you can be in love with this?
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Go for it?
Speaker 5 (53:31):
Yah, hopefully you have another profession because it takes years
to start making money.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Years.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
Yeah, it's not like it was when we were younger.
And you know, if you've got to have the talent.
Speaker 5 (53:43):
We had to have a talent, but we didn't have
a million other makeup artists or hairdressers.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
For every job we went out on. Now that's all
you have.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
Everybody wants to go become a hairdresser. Ninety nine of
them will never be a hair and makeup person, and
that's the sad part. They'll never's there's only three percent
that are going to make a living, and only one
percent makes a good living.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Mike and I were hairdressers on motorcycles before the movie
Shampoo as You.
Speaker 6 (54:09):
Imagined, and we rode with the guys that movie has about.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yeah, yeah, I worked. It's been wonderful.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah. Next week we are going to be on Friday.
Is that correct Edric, We're going to be on Friday.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
We won't be on Wednesday, not because we're superstitious about
the thirteenth, but it's because.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
I know the blood.
Speaker 6 (54:35):
We can pop your head off.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yeah. I actually want to talk to you about working
on scissors too, but off camera. But we're going to
be on the fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Pre ORRAI pri Or II will be here with me
and some of the stars that are going to be
with us next weekend at the Urban EX Awards. Or remember,
you can still get a chance to win a free
ticket to go to the Urban X Towards on the
seventeenth Inside contest at gmail dot com. And also you
(55:06):
can get a free ticket to go to the TCL
Chinese Theater on Hollywood Boulevard right into Inside Contest at
gmail dot com. Until next time, I'm James Bartola, Mike Michaels,
Rick Hollywood, wet, goodnight, Goodnight.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
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