On this episode of 'Inside The Mavs', Kevin Gray, Mavericks Pre/Post Host on Mavs Radio Network is joined by Reginald Adetula of 105.3 The Fan to discuss the latest trade rumors around the Dallas Mavericks involving Tim Hardaway, Jr., Jerami Grant, Quentin Grimes and more! They break down the scenarios and other happenings in the NBA ahead of the NBA Draft and Free Agency and much more!
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Planning to spend a bunch of moneyin the off season, and there would
be salary cap constraints anyway. I'mjust sure we're going to spend all the
money we have in off season.So that gets to their question that with
new ownership, with the Addamson andDumont families, what's your sense of their
commitment to spending what would be necessaryon the player's salary front to go where
the franchise wants to go. Yeah. I don't think money's going to be
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an object. I think it's doingit the right way. Bringing in people
with good character. Their money isnot going to be the limiting factor they
want to win. We're going tobe smart about it though, But I
don't expect we're not having money conversations. Can the Mavericks pull off this trade
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would have come to Tim Hardaway Junior? Or this one for Jeremy Grants from
the Portland Trailblazers, or any otherwild trade scenarios that have come up in
Mavericks News today. This is Insidethe MAVs. Welcome to Inside the Mask,
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on Twitter at the same joining mehere from one oh five through the fan
host of the Get Rights and basketballfan and you could catch him on Locked
on MAVs hanging out with my buddynickname Stat's talking all things Mavericks basketball as
well. I got Reginald Adatula joinedme here on Inside the Mass Red.
What's going on? If you're watchingthis on YouTube and you see my eyes
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dart away from the general apparatus ofthe screen frequently, just know I have
a fear of missing out. Andapparently Wold's going off tonight. He put
putting up numbers, so's that's whatI'm doing. Just want you to know
that, Yeah, Wold's going forlike sixty twenty and twenty five to nights
and I based on when we're recordingthis here on Tuesday evening, because I
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plan on doing this a little bitearlier, but then Wove decided to entirely
drop bombs, as he's occasioned todo from time to time. Of course,
if you're watching this, the bigtrade that's happened, of course,
mickel Bridge is getting sent to theNew York Knicks for what was five first
round picks from the Nets to theKnicks. Does go mckel Bridges and Danny
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Angel pay for his crimes? Willhe though? Or is he just set
a new trend for the NBA.But that's the big news as we are
recorded. But a lot of Mavericksnews dropping today as well. Shout out
to Mark Stein, a substack,longtime NBA insider, and Jake Fisher of
Yahoo Sports who detailing some things withrespect to Tim Hardaway Junior. And in
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today's show, we're going to diveinto some of the news with respect to
Tim Hardaway, Mavericks front office movethat was also made by the Detroit Pistons,
and what a particular trade scenario wascome up with by Bleacher Report,
Reggie's favorite publication when it comes tothese kinds of things. But at the
same time. Let's start here TimHardaway Junior, who's got what is a
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sixteen point two million dollar expiring contract. According to mark Stein, the Detroit
Pistons have emerged as a potential tradepart with the Mavericks when it comes to
Tim Hardaway. Mark Stein saying thata little bit earlier on Tuesday afternoon.
And it's interesting because this is notsomething that's not come up before. When
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it comes to Tim Hardaway, thePistons have been kind of one of the
teams that he's been rumored to goto now for it feels like forever at
this point. But mark Stein puttingthat officially out there today as a game
we're recording this on Tuesday, sayingthat Detroit has emerged as a potential trade
destination for Dallas to Tim Hardaway Junior. A full potential trade construction has not
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yet emerged, the league sources aretelling Stein there have been scenarios discussed in
which Quentin Grimes would land in Dallas. The twenty four year old who is
from Houston, went to Houston andplayed for the Cougars, is a guy
that potentially could be coming back interms of a trade for Tim Hardaway Junior.
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Your thoughts initially on that idea.When it comes to Tim Hardaway Junior,
Quinton crimes and the news that MarkStein's putting out there with respect to
that, my first thought is justlike, I want to understand why that's
the case, you know, Imean, like why or what brings you
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to that place for the Pistons,right, And I guess, look,
obviously we understand what it is forthe Mavericks. Did I just lose I
might have just lost audiother you're yeah, you're good, okay, cool.
Yeah, when it comes down toit, for the Mavericks, it's like,
look, getting off of Tim HardawayJunior is the case. But when
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you're at least when I think aboutit, when you're doing the situation of
of uh, you know, sendingan expiring contract out, you're either doing
someone a favor or someone's doing youa favor. Right, Yeah, you're
doing someone in a favor. Onthe idea of hey, I will take
this contract that you have that islonger, and here you can have this
expiring contract that'll go away, orI am going to give you this expiring
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contract and you can hold on tothat for me, and here's a little
something for your troubles. That potentialtrade for Quentin Grimes doesn't really fit into
either of those, and so Ido wonder, like, Yo, what
is what would be the incentive forthe Pistons. I think we all kind
of look at Tim Hardaway Junior.As you know, obviously he's a VET.
He is ostensibly a shooter in thosethings, but he has his limitations
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and the Pistons aren't trying to donothing, and so I don't know like
that they have appeal for him asthe player we're talking about the contract.
So I'm like, what would then, like what would make them get to
that point where they're like, yeah, we'll take this. We'll give you
Quentin Grimes an end of deal,right without necessarily getting some draft competitions.
That's a team that's trying to rebuildin that situation. Draft competition will be
something that they want or without givingthem like a young player that's talented that
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would then lead them to something andhelp them build. Right, Like you're
just saying, hey, Quin Grime, Tim Hardaway Junior, that's it.
I don't fully understand like what thePistons would be getting in the get back
there, yeah Grimes twenty four yearsold, as you mentioned, a native
of Houston, you know, nota guy that you would think, you
know in terms of by the waySteven they say is probably still thinks that
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Quinton Grimes is still on that teambased on a while back if folks remember
that. But look, he isa career thirty seven percent shoot it from
the three point line on five attemptsper game, six, five, two,
ten, good point of attack defender. He's young, but he basically
another version you know of Josh Green, someone you kind of already have on
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your team. So this would bemore so for the Pistons, a team
that, if they made certain moves, could get themselves to a point where
they got sixty six million dollars incap space going into the offseason, a
team that could definitely absorb a TimHardaway type of deal. And what's interesting
is Trajan Langdon, who of coursenow runs the show in Detroit, was
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part of the team in the NewOrleans that offered Tim Hardaway what was I
believe a four year, near ninetymillion dollar deal to come to the Pelicans
before he eventually came back to Dallas. So Langdon familiar with Tim Hardaway Junior's
game, a little bit different situationnow him being there two years of age,
you know, on expiring deal,but nonetheless there's familiarity there and also
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the tidbit that Dennis Lindsay has beenhired as the senior vice president of basketball
operations in Detroit. Now Lindsay ofcourse was a senior advisor to Nico Harrison
and the Mavericks during this season,and now he and Langdon will be charged
with being able to turn around thePissons, which is interesting because Lindsey was
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a finalist for the job that Langdonactually got and now Langdon hires him to
be part of his team. Soa really good front office that Langdon is
building, you know there in Detroit. But the wrinkle being that there some
connectivity and familiarity there in terms ofobviously Lindsey now going to Detroit, but
also like to have a familiarity withTim Hardaway. But also Sean Sweeney is
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going to be interviewing or has alreadyinterviewed for that job in Detroit as well,
to be the potentially their next headcoach. So a lot of Dallas
Detroit's connection that is being happening here. But for Tim Hardaway, look,
the overall arching point here is TimHardaway. It doesn't feel like it's going
to be on this roster by thetime we get to the end of free
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agency, and certainly not by thetime obviously that we get to training camp.
It feels like the Mavericks are determinedto go ahead and move off of
him as potentially to you know,allow guys like Jaydon Hardy and others to
start to be able to flourish withinthis team. It feels like it's becoming
much more certain and maybe as soonas what happens over the next couple of
days in terms of the NBA Draft, that Tim Hardaway Junior doesn't appear as
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going to be on this team forvery much longer here. Yeah, absolutely
right, Like this, this theNBA is one of those mile markers during
the course of an NBA season wheretransactions can happen and you know, will
happen, right, And yeah,man, we knew, We've known for
I mean honestly for years at thispoint that this organization would prefer to have
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moved Tim Hardaway Junior. And nowit's very evidence that if this is the
most palatable that he and his contracthave been around the league and so that
that parting of ways feels like ithas to happen and it will happen.
I mean, we've heard people onthe record, off the record kind of
all point to that direction when itcomes to Quentin Grimes like sure, I
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mean again, I don't I don'tfeel I don't feel awful about the idea
of redundancy in theory. I thinka lot of times we look at redundancy
as like a negative, like,hey, you already have that in this
you don't need another one. Butsometimes redundancy can be good because if one
is if one fails in some ways, and I don't necessarily mean that,
you have another thing that gives yousomething similar, and at the very least,
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what it would give you is arotation player that he has an opportunity
to come in and give you likeward one comes with a fresh start and
doesn't come with the baggage that youhad previously had, and just like a
rotation player that maybe can add inthat maybe can fit with what Jase's kid
is doing, and most importantly alittle bit of cap relief, because that's
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the thing when it comes to TimHardaway Junior, you just need to get
that number down and Quentin Grimes sittingon that four and foreign change million dollar
contract at least for the twenty fourto twenty five season. That matters.
That definitely matters. So yeah,No, that connectivity with Detroit is interesting
because maybe that smooths over the waythat this goes. And maybe it's just
like an aligning of perspectives on makingthat particular deal happen, and who knows
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deals in the future, but atthe very least, like I'm with it,
right, Like I don't think thatit's and I don't think it's objectionable,
right, Like, I don't knowthat necessarily you're looking at Quentin Grimes
is coming in and making a changeto what you're talking about, right,
And you mentioned the exit interviews forHarrison. He talked about like you know,
the top seven or eight on theirteam remaining the same. Quinn Grimes
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isn't a guy that you're talking aboutin that group of guys. So it's
not I don't think it's going tomatter a ton, But what it will
matter will matter with is that twelvemillion dollars that you can save on your
cap sheet by making that particular move. So it's it's in some ways not
a big deal, but in otherway, it's a very big deal,
if that makes sense, especially ifyou get Grimes and you're able to use
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Josh Green potentially to move him inanother deal that you're trying to potentially make
that where Grimes could fill in andbe a little bit have a little bit
larger role if you decide to moveon from Josh Green. It's interesting you
brought up to Derrick Jones Junior pointof all this too, with Nicole Harrison,
who had mentioned during his you know, exit interviewing end of the year
press conference that you know that DerrickJones Jr. Is both one A,
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one B in terms of priority.It's a key for this team now.
Jake Fisher, reporting for Yahoo Sports, detailing the similar information when it comes
to Tim Hardaway Junior in the factthat the Maps are trying to move him
again the attractive part being that hehas the expiring contract. Fisher adds on
to it, saying that, look, if the Mavericks are not able to
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retain the services of a Derrick JonesJunior, who could be looking somewhere,
you know, based off of whatwe're kind of understanding in terms of the
Mavericks having that five point one fivepoint two million dollar mid level exception that
they have, it's going to takea little bit more than that in order
to keep Derrick Jones. You we'retalking about potentially in the ten to twelve
million dollar range that he could be, you know, looking for, or
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maybe even a full non taxpayer midright like the exact full non taxpayer mod
is right around thirteen I believe,mm hmm. So the Mavericks will still
have to make something shake in orderto get to that number in order to
get him, you know, backinto the fold. But if the Mavericks
aren't unable to retain the services ofDerrick Jones, Fisher reports that the Mavericks
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could be interested in a Naji Marshallfrom the Pelicans. Marshall, sixty seven,
got a seven foot wingspan, twentysix years of basis, finished his
fourth season with the Pelicans. Theathletic defender shot the ball in terms of
thirty eight percent from the three pointline, but not on volume necessarily only
about two and a half tempts pergame, but did have a pretty nice
postseason, even in the four gamesthat the Pelicans you know, got swept
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in of course, I guess theOklahoma City Thunder. But Naji Marshall could
be a guy who was a formerundrafted player, former two eight guy that's
really carved out a nice little spacefor him. Who does that sound like?
That sounds a lot like Derek JonesJunior former Derek Oh yeah, yeah,
right, Like, yeah, You'reabsolutely in that space, and he
is an interesting player in that way. Plus all of the things that we
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talked about. I feel like I'ma year away or like I'm going back
a year in the past, becausemyself and you had a conversation that I
was actually listening back to recently.The idea of Hey, Derek Jones Jr.
Like the shot, the three pointshooting isn't at a big number,
but when you look at corner threesand you look at those numbers like and
then you add that Luca bump ofthe ways that he's going to create,
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that takes it up to a differentlevel. And Najie Marshall is interesting in
that perspective. But I think thatthere's something about that continuity that you can
have knowing exactly what the role isand not necessarily having to project it that
Derrick Jones Junior is super appealing.Plus the athleticism, right, we talk
about the vertical aspect of the gamethat was added with Lively and Gafford.
Derek Jones Junior is one of thoseguys too. They utilized him with the
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pick. We saw them in thefinals where it was like, hey,
that one to five pick and rollisn't necessarily happening. How about this one
three pick and roll with Derrick JonesJunior where he's now rolling and throwing it
up to him for a slam.Those are things that I don't know that
you can necessarily replicate in that way, and I think that there's a level
of comfort. So if you canget that done, that matters. And
that's why if you go back right, the twelve million dollars whatever that you
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could create and a potential Tim HardawayJunior Quentin Grimes deal matters because you're what
one point eight million dollars over theluxury luxury tax threshold. And look,
my head is hurting because I've spentthe last two hours trying to figure out
what's happening with the CBA. I'mliterally zero percent smarter for my efforts.
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But like, if you have anysmall inkling of what's happening there. You
know that there's some the new CBAhas some real wild workings that make it
tough to make some things shake,and being under some of these thresholds would
help a good amount. So that'sthat leeway. That room would help greatly
in facilitating a Dereck Jones Junior's dealor even the Naji Marshall deal. If
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someone comes and throws a bag infront of Derrick Jones, Junior lures him
away. So yeah, all thesethings kind of tie together. It's another
off season where Nico Harrison has arelatively thin, relatively thin landing strip to
to land on. Right, there'sa needle to thread, maybe not exactly
in the same way as last offseasonwhere he had to make sure to get
a number ten pick and then turnthat number ten pick into a twelve and
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a twenty sum which wherever you goto max right like and flip and flip
and flip, maybe you're not exactlyand then he did that again to the
trade deadline, just realized because hewent to the Bank of Presty and flipped
and flipped the right and so maybeit's not exactly the same level of flip,
flip, flip, but there's someflipping that needs to be done,
and so Nico Harrison has a levelexperience, but here he goes level three
or four at this point because itfeels like at every juncture that he's been
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since he's been here, he's hadto do some level of flip KP.
Kyrie Lively, Gafford, PJ.White, Like, there's some level of
threading the needle to have to bedone, and you're in another reason,
to his credit, he's done it. Yeah, you know, so I
think if you're a maverisman, youknow, listening to this and seeing the
kind of the things that are happeninghere, thinking you know, what could
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happen between now and by the timewe gets to the end of the NBA
Draft. Nico Harrison is shown awillingness and a capability to be able,
as you mentioned, to flip alot of different kinds of assets, to
be able to get the kinds ofplayers that have obviously helped this team make
it to the NBA Finals. Howmuch more that gymnastics is he going to
have to do given the fact thatwhat we look at in terms of their
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draft capital and the limited final antleresources that they have. He's going to
have to turn a lot of thatinto some different things because you know,
the Naji Marshall thing. That's aninteresting thing because again, as you mentioned,
it kind of reminds you of theidea of how they are able to
get you know, Derek Jones Juniorin terms of a you know, vetrimentimum
signing and he be able to turninto the kind of player that he did
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for the Matters past year. Butit also gets me to this because the
Bleacher Report puts out a very interestingtrade scenario that I kind of wanted to
go over with you because you know, when you look at how the NBA
and the salary cap and the waythat things are structured now, it makes
it a lot more difficult for theseteams to be able to keep together expensive
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rosters and your ability to be ableto develop young talent and to be able
to have cheap talent and be successful. It feels like a lot of ways
that's the way this is going togo. Hell, even the Lakers where
you were talking about it when theyhired JJ Reddick Rob Polinka talking about,
look, we've got to find creativeways to be able to build a program
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that has centered around player development,because it's much more prohibitive now to be
able to have the kinds of rostersthat you have traditionally in the past,
where you could keep a bunch ofexpensive players. This brings me to this
because Weacher Report puts out this mocktrade idea and it has to do with
the Portland Trailblazers. Now, whetheryou feel like you know Malcolm Brogten or
someone else may be a little morefeasible, that's another conversation for another day.
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But the trade idea is that theMavericks would get Jeremy Grant okay,
and the Portland Trailblazer would receive TimHardaway junior, Maxi Klieba, their twenty
twenty five first round pick, andtheir twenty thirty one first round pick in
order to facilitate that kind of deal. Now, what's interesting is Jake Fisher.
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We talked a little bit earlier interms of the Derrick Jones junior information
with Najie Marshall potentially being a fitif the mavers aren't able to retain him.
There's reporting by Fisher that the Lakerscould be in play for Jeremy Grant
by giving up their seventeenth pick ofthis year's draft in order to try and
facilitate something with Portland again, youwill be absorbing a contract where Grant is
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owed over thirty million dollars plus forthe next you know, that's a four
plus one. No, that's afour plus one. He's still got five
years I believe, or is itfour years three plus four? Yeah?
Yeah, because he was a fiveyear deal. He's run one year.
He has an option on the lastyear, so it's a three plus one.
And that's why if you're watching thevideo copy of this, you might
have seen me kind of WinCE alittle bit that you put two first round
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picks in this and it's tough.That's see. I am. I am
still viewing this in some ways likethat's not a good contract necessarily for what
he is. Right. Let's what'sinteresting about that is the salary cap is
going to continue to go up.Yes, it's one thing that you know,
if you're looking at the amount ofmoney, because by the time you
get to the end of that deal, I believe it's around thirty six million
dollars. He's old than the finalyear of that deal. The salary cap
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is going to continue to go up, especially with the new television deal.
Whenever that's officially you know, signedand ratified and you know, in place,
so that contract will look a littlebit different in light of the salary
cap continuing to increase versus what itdoes now that if you're thinking about it
a little bit more forward in thefuture, they say, Okay, maybe
that's something you can absorb a littlebit more based off of the fact that
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you'll have more room in the salarycap. Yes, And I think I
think that's a good note, andthank you for adding to that, because
I think that that's from a perspectiveof viability, it's definitely viable. I'm
talking about like when we're talking abouta value proposition to the player's capabilities,
right, Yeah, if we're talkingabout money as a proxy for evaluation of
player, that contract does not fitwith what we have with Jeremy Grant here.
I almost called him his brother,all right, brother, I believe,
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yes, But like I'm not sayingthat to say that he is bad.
Right, but ay man, theBlazers have a lot of money tied
up, right, Like, gettingoff of Jeremy Grant is not simply hey,
this is an asset that we cansend somewhere. This is cap relief
in some ways, and so likeit's tough because there's another team rumored,
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as you mentioned, the Lakers thatare looking for him as like a talent
acquisition, and so they can takeplay it as such. But like I
view that the potential of a MAVsPortland's trade in this way as like it's
kind of cat balancing. And ifyou take Tim Hardaway junior expiring mac to
Kleeb but expiring in another two years, or like right, two years remaining
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right to get off of a threeplus one on a player who is not
necessarily providing you the same value asits contractors worth. Hey man, I
feel like we could wipe our handsand be done with this. Or if
you want to add a little extra, I can. I could throw you
a second in here. And maybeI'm driving too hard of a bargain,
right, but if we talk aboutone first, all right, I'm a
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little uneasy too. First, whatare we talking about, right, especially
when not just two first, they'retwo first in a context of where to
utter first at, because those twofirsts are getting mighty lonely, right,
Like you don't have you not younot the you not the apparently the New
York Knicks. But you're also notthe Oklaman's City thunder, right, You're
not. You don't have have awar chest of picks, right, so
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I think you have to be judiciouswith them, and I don't know that
doesn't feel like it'd be being judiciouswith them. Now addressing the player himself,
I think it's an interesting fit,right, Like, Offensively, he
is a shooter. He can geta shot a little bit, which you
needed kind of a third guy whocan get his shot a little bit.
Defensively, he has thea I thinkhe has the capabilities and the framework that
put in the context that the thatthe Mavericks and Jason kids seemingly have done.
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They've drawn the best defensively out ofall the guys that they've had in
the system, maybe save one,hello Christian would right, And so like
I like that. The tough thingabout it is like he has not played
a lot of winning basketball, andI do wonder what the organization views of
him in that context, right,and like if he fits into the fits
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into the kind of the the characteristicsof the team, right, the rale
of the team, because that wasa question that we have for PJ.
Washington. But PJ Washington, likeyou couldssuage some of that, like super
hard worker, like all those things, and he came in and he ended
up fitting it. Right, whathappens if that doesn't work, especially because
it's a three post one and thenyou're in that place where you have a
lot of your cap space tied up. If this trade is gone in the
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way that it does, you wouldhave used even more of your very limited
assets, and there's not really alot of opportunity to then fix that per
se. Like the two first reallymake me super queasy. Right, if
you're talking about this with the particularplayers and then maybe limited draft capital assets,
you can talk me into it alot easier. I don't like that
as its situated. Yeah, acouple of things, because the Mavers already
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don't have control of their first roundpicks between the years twenty twenty seven and
twenty thirty. Like we're talking aboutthe top two protective first that they owe
Charlotte in twenty twenty seven, Brooklyn, Well, they owe that pick to
in the first round in twenty twentynine, but now that pick is now
belongs to Houston, So That justshows you how quickly things could change.
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That that's when nine unprotected picture thatwas going to Brooklyn now Houston owns.
And now they have a chance,based on contingencies, to pick which one
that they want between Dallas and Phoenix. That's another conversation for another day.
But the idea being here is,you know, I think Grant's getting a
little bit of a bad rap becausehe decided because the way that he was
playing in Denver, for example,really good defensive player, you know,
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offensively, you could see some flashesthere, but he decided to go get
the payday from Portland where he's gonnaget more many more shots and still be
kind of one of the primary offensiveplayers there. I think Detroit first before
he ended up in Portland, right, yeah, well one of like he
eventually took the payda to go andget, you know, and got it
from the Portland Trailblazers. And Ithink for him, he at thirty years
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of age, I think if hecame to a situation in Dallas, it
would feel a lot of ways likehe would be able to turn. He
would have the chance to win andwin with a really good team, and
I think he would be able tofit in just fine here, Like this
is a guy who really started toopen up people's eyes when he was with
Team USA and really was a bigpart of what they were able to do
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in terms of winning what was thegold medal and was at two thousand I
guess technically twenty twenty one for theTokyo twenty twenty Games. But the point
being like he fit in well there. I think he would be fine here
in Dallas. But that is asteep price to pay. Again, as
we mentioned with the idea that youhave to be able to develop young talent
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and find young cheap talent in orderto build your roster because of how much
more difficult it is to maintain andbuild your rosters. Now that giving up
your twenty twenty five and your twentythirty one, the twenty five, okay,
I might be willing to go aheadand move, especially for the window
of when now that you're in thetwenty twenty five went okay, especially,
Yeah, that's not as likely tobe a high pick, right exactly.
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Feel was super impossible that that's goingto be a high pick exactly now the
twenty thirty one one, Okay,now hold on, we might have to
pump the brakes on that. Butyeah, if it means just I move
on for Tim Hardaway and Maxi Kleiba. If I have to throw in someone
else, maybe it's a Josh Screenor someone else to be able to make
that shake and the twenty twenty fivefirst round pick, Yeah, I would
probably do that, even with himbeing at thirty years of age, because
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I think him as a player goingto the environment, the strong culture that
the Mavericks have built here, Ithink he would be able to be absorbed
into that fairly well and to playalongside Luca and Kyrie to be able to
fit here in Dallas in that way. Yeah, I mean, I think
it's interesting. I do like theplayer. I do think that he provides,
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at least in theory, most ofthe things that you were looking for
as we're looking through that NBA Finalswere like, Oh, you still need
another guy that you feel dependable togo to as a third scorer. You
would love to have another guy thatcan kind of create his own especially in
if you find the context of Hey, Oklahoma City Thunder are going to be
a team that matters in the West, and they demonstrated that they have a
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couple of dudes that can defend andtake your two headed monster of creators and
make their lives difficult. Right,and so if you have a third person
that goes okay, you've tried totake these two cards off off the table.
Well, here here's the section onethat we have of our sleeve.
Like it makes it a lot better. And you're in a place now after
going to the finals where now youstart building your team not just to be
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generally good, but to face offagainst the teams that are around you.
I think that that could be superhelpful in addition to adding another defender in
the context of your starting lineup,especially if Derek Jones Junior is not going
to remain, Like if that's apossibility, and even if he does remain,
now you are have a little bitof a wealth of those types of
things. I like what the playerprovides. It just has to come at
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the right price. Like, that'sthe tough thing that you're now throwing the
needle on because a few or likeI guess, past asset drip, right,
you've lost assets in certain places andyou've had to use assets to kind
of cover over and paper over orfix some other issues that have happened,
and so now you're on a placewhere you can't really you can't really afford
to overpay a little bit, likeor at least I don't feel like you
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can. Like maybe maybe Nico Harrison, who probably is a lot better at
assessing those risks right in the ROIon all of these things, right,
having been an executive Nike in thenow with the Mavericks done this for a
few years, Maybe he's I'm notMaybe he's definitely going to be better at
this, But that feels like somethingwhere you don't have a lot of opportunity
or a lot of leeway to overpayfor that circumstance, at least not from
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my perspective. No, I agree, Like it had to be a really
calculated risk to be able to makethat move because in a lot of ways,
that's the team that you got fora little bit. It'd be pretty
final, pretty damn yeah, ifyou make that move for Jim mcgrant,
that's kind of the roster that yougot for a while to be able to
try and work with to get toa championship. And that's not to even
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mention the ideas Luka donc is gettinghis massive contract extension at the end of
this upcoming season. Yeah, conversationspotentially about a Kyrie Irving extension that you're
going to have to start really thinkingabout as well. Well, Like,
there are other financial ramifications that ifyou decide to trade for a player like
jam mcgrant that's really going to comeup and by the time you get to
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the end of next season and thinkingabout what you may have to do,
and then honestly, you start thinkingabout if if Daniel Gafford and PJ.
Washington continue to make the you know, the growth and the leaves that we
think, especially we've heard reported,you know from Brian Demeriz with you know
the take that Witch your podcast thatyou know, they're retooling PJ. Washington's
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three point shot extensively to where bythe time we get to this upcoming season,
we may see a completely brand newthree point shot for PJ. Washington
if he, let's say, forconversations, take that he gets there too.
You're talking about another player that couldbe in line to be able to
have a nice little payday in selfin terms of an extension if he continues
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to show that growth, Like there'sa lot of things that are starting to
come into play here based off ofwhat this team is at, what they
have from a asset management standpoint,that really make things interesting. But that
is what this time of the yearis interesting when it comes to all this.
Shout out to Woes for dropping somebombs to make it even that much
more interesting before we into date.Anything that you want to see when it
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comes to this Mavericks team from atrade standpoint, a free agency standpoint,
or just any general thoughts on whatwe have seen over the first you know,
I guess a couple of days leadingup to the draft when it comes
to all this year, well,I don't know. I don't know that
there's I mean, I would liketo see some level of Well, first
of all, obviously, make surethe Tim thing actually happens this time,
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right, I feel like we've allsettled in on the idea that it will
happen. However, I feel likeI've been in this place before, right
and again, Yes, I thinkthat this is the circumstance that lends itself
most to it happening. And Idon't say this because Tim Hardaway Junior is
some kind of bad guy. However, Hey, make sure that thing happens
for real this time, right,Like, for real, see it out,
my boy? Right, I needthis, I need this to actually
happen this time, I think justI wouldn't be super sad if it's just
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spring Tim Hardaway Junior back run itback right Like. I think that this
is a well built team when itcomes to the cohesion that they seem to
have. But I don't even knowif there's something in particular that I'm looking
forward to. I have a lotof trust in Nico Harrison, and we
talked about the ways of which atevery given juncture he's gone and tried to
make a swing and should the swingnot work or should the swing not fit,
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which I think is really only onewhere you talk about Grant Williams.
Immediately that gets fixed up and itgets put into a place where it is
better. Right. So I kindof trust him, and you should trust
him with the evaluation and identifying whatthe issue is and putting the right one
in there, because that's why youwent and got this particular dude. Right.
He was a executive and Nike anddoing that he had to be able
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to identify talent, and it seemslike he's been very good at that in
the early stages of his tenure here, and so like, I trust him
to make the right moves, whetherit's limited moves or being fairly aggressive.
So from that perspective, I trusthim. And then also like, I
think he's done a great job ofworking with people that are workable. Right.
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I talked about Danny Ainge, Butlike Danny Ainge drives a hard bargain.
He did in Boston, he doeswith Utah now right, And I
feel like, if you look backat the people that tim are sorry that
Nico Harrison has worked with the generalmanagers, I don't think. I think
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that he's selected the right general managersto work with to get things done that
are not necessarily go inn dry themost difficult bargains per se. And so
I don't know, I've built alot of trust with this dude. And
maybe he maybe he would look atthat Jeremy Grant trade and say, actually
that's the right number, especially whenyou're seeing out here that Michael Bridges to
draw draw five first. Maybe Ijust don't know what it is, right,
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Maybe I'm like, yeah, JeremyGrant does draw one or two first.
No idea, no earthly idea fromover here to be completely honest,
woo that in the last couple ofyears, mckel Bridges have gotten five first
round picks. Rudy Gobert had fouras well. Rudy Gobert was it was
four first round picks that he gotfour and yeah, the the entire now
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hall of the I think four.Was it three? In my bug I
want to say it was six,but that's well that was what swaps,
I'm sure. Yeah, that's whatI'm saying. I think the total hall
was like six if I remember correctly, with the swaps and everything else.
It was an insane It was aninsane number. It was more than what
Kevin Durant got obviously when he wentto UH when he went to Phoenix,
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and obviously what we're seeing with thewhole mckel bridges trade. But yeah,
it was it was four first anda swap for Rudy Gobert. The mckel
Bridges is five first and a swapand some seconds. I think in there
as well, right, like weare just in an insane place when it
comes to trades. My bad tothe CBA because I was like, Yo,
the CBA is going to make itso that it's so much more difficult
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to make things happen, and theywere like, oh really for real,
you sure well. Look the waythat I'm gonna end this today is the
Mavericks. Go find a way togo get Ognobe. I don't know how
you do it. Make it happensomehow. Man, when he says he
doesn't know, he really doesn't.We spent the first fifteen minutes before no
idea, no idea, how that'sgoing to happen. Be smarter than us,
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please please, please please figure itout. That would be awesome.
And somehow you got og and thatwould be crazy. By the way,
Luka Kyrie og Anobi as your yourtop three guys, that would be and
then PJ and Lively round five.I could work with that. That's tough.
That's tough. That is imagine wegot look just PJ and og by
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themselves locking folks down, and thenyou got Luke and Kyrie doing anything on
the office of end. And whetheror not you want to insert this will
be another conversation for another day.Is it time to insert Derek Lively as
your full time starter at center?And had Daniel Gafford coming off the bench.
We'll talk about it that sometime downthe road. But if you want
to tap Lively in your starting lineup, a Luca Kyrie O GPJ Lively starting
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lineup. Yeah. Yeah, theword that came to mind is dynamic.
Yes, yes, very much,so very much so. Well, that'll
end today's show. Red. Tellthe folks wherey can find you yet man
at rech Attitula on Twitter, andyeah, sometimes I'll be on Lockdown MAVs.
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Check out my man Nick Angstadt,always giving you great content alongside the
inside Inside the Mass podcast. Igot Kevin Gray mm hmmm, uh yeah,
definitely check out his latest episode withNick. He had a good friend
of ours, Lauren Gunn, onthe podcast for him. Yeah, I
know, I know. I wasexcited to see I've been slacking them up,
pimp and I will go do that. Yeah, for sure, for
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Planning to spend a bunch of moneyin the off season, and there would
be salary cap constraints anyway. I'mjust sure we're going to spend all the
money we have in off season.So that gets to their question that with
new ownership, with the Addamson andDumont families, what's your sense of their
commitment to spending what would be necessaryon the player's salary front to go where
the franchise wants to go. Yeah. I don't think money's going to be
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with good character. Their money isnot going to be the limiting factor they
want to win. We're going tobe smart about it though, But I
don't expect we're not having money conversations. Can the Mavericks pull off this trade
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What's going on? If you're watchingthis on YouTube and you see my eyes
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dart away from the general apparatus ofthe screen frequently, just know I have
a fear of missing out. Andapparently Wold's going off tonight. He put
putting up numbers, so's that's whatI'm doing. Just want you to know
that, Yeah, Wold's going forlike sixty twenty and twenty five to nights
and I based on when we're recordingthis here on Tuesday evening, because I
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plan on doing this a little bitearlier, but then Wove decided to entirely
drop bombs, as he's occasioned todo from time to time. Of course,
if you're watching this, the bigtrade that's happened, of course,
mickel Bridge is getting sent to theNew York Knicks for what was five first
round picks from the Nets to theKnicks. Does go mckel Bridges and Danny
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Angel pay for his crimes? Willhe though? Or is he just set
a new trend for the NBA.But that's the big news as we are
recorded. But a lot of Mavericksnews dropping today as well. Shout out
to Mark Stein, a substack,longtime NBA insider, and Jake Fisher of
Yahoo Sports who detailing some things withrespect to Tim Hardaway Junior. And in
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today's show, we're going to diveinto some of the news with respect to
Tim Hardaway, Mavericks front office movethat was also made by the Detroit Pistons,
and what a particular trade scenario wascome up with by Bleacher Report,
Reggie's favorite publication when it comes tothese kinds of things. But at the
same time. Let's start here TimHardaway Junior, who's got what is a
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sixteen point two million dollar expiring contract. According to mark Stein, the Detroit
Pistons have emerged as a potential tradepart with the Mavericks when it comes to
Tim Hardaway. Mark Stein saying thata little bit earlier on Tuesday afternoon.
And it's interesting because this is notsomething that's not come up before. When
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it comes to Tim Hardaway, thePistons have been kind of one of the
teams that he's been rumored to goto now for it feels like forever at
this point. But mark Stein puttingthat officially out there today as a game
we're recording this on Tuesday, sayingthat Detroit has emerged as a potential trade
destination for Dallas to Tim Hardaway Junior. A full potential trade construction has not
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yet emerged, the league sources aretelling Stein there have been scenarios discussed in
which Quentin Grimes would land in Dallas. The twenty four year old who is
from Houston, went to Houston andplayed for the Cougars, is a guy
that potentially could be coming back interms of a trade for Tim Hardaway Junior.
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Your thoughts initially on that idea.When it comes to Tim Hardaway Junior,
Quinton crimes and the news that MarkStein's putting out there with respect to
that, my first thought is justlike, I want to understand why that's
the case, you know, Imean, like why or what brings you
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to that place for the Pistons,right, And I guess, look,
obviously we understand what it is forthe Mavericks. Did I just lose I
might have just lost audiother you're yeah, you're good, okay, cool.
Yeah, when it comes down toit, for the Mavericks, it's like,
look, getting off of Tim HardawayJunior is the case. But when
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you're at least when I think aboutit, when you're doing the situation of
of uh, you know, sendingan expiring contract out, you're either doing
someone a favor or someone's doing youa favor. Right, Yeah, you're
doing someone in a favor. Onthe idea of hey, I will take
this contract that you have that islonger, and here you can have this
expiring contract that'll go away, orI am going to give you this expiring
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contract and you can hold on tothat for me, and here's a little
something for your troubles. That potentialtrade for Quentin Grimes doesn't really fit into
either of those, and so Ido wonder, like, Yo, what
is what would be the incentive forthe Pistons. I think we all kind
of look at Tim Hardaway Junior.As you know, obviously he's a VET.
He is ostensibly a shooter in thosethings, but he has his limitations
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and the Pistons aren't trying to donothing, and so I don't know like
that they have appeal for him asthe player we're talking about the contract.
So I'm like, what would then, like what would make them get to
that point where they're like, yeah, we'll take this. We'll give you
Quentin Grimes an end of deal,right without necessarily getting some draft competitions.
That's a team that's trying to rebuildin that situation. Draft competition will be
something that they want or without givingthem like a young player that's talented that
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would then lead them to something andhelp them build. Right, Like you're
just saying, hey, Quin Grime, Tim Hardaway Junior, that's it.
I don't fully understand like what thePistons would be getting in the get back
there, yeah Grimes twenty four yearsold, as you mentioned, a native
of Houston, you know, nota guy that you would think, you
know in terms of by the waySteven they say is probably still thinks that
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Quinton Grimes is still on that teambased on a while back if folks remember
that. But look, he isa career thirty seven percent shoot it from
the three point line on five attemptsper game, six, five, two,
ten, good point of attack defender. He's young, but he basically
another version you know of Josh Green, someone you kind of already have on
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your team. So this would bemore so for the Pistons, a team
that, if they made certain moves, could get themselves to a point where
they got sixty six million dollars incap space going into the offseason, a
team that could definitely absorb a TimHardaway type of deal. And what's interesting
is Trajan Langdon, who of coursenow runs the show in Detroit, was
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part of the team in the NewOrleans that offered Tim Hardaway what was I
believe a four year, near ninetymillion dollar deal to come to the Pelicans
before he eventually came back to Dallas. So Langdon familiar with Tim Hardaway Junior's
game, a little bit different situationnow him being there two years of age,
you know, on expiring deal,but nonetheless there's familiarity there and also
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the tidbit that Dennis Lindsay has beenhired as the senior vice president of basketball
operations in Detroit. Now Lindsay ofcourse was a senior advisor to Nico Harrison
and the Mavericks during this season,and now he and Langdon will be charged
with being able to turn around thePissons, which is interesting because Lindsey was
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a finalist for the job that Langdonactually got and now Langdon hires him to
be part of his team. Soa really good front office that Langdon is
building, you know there in Detroit. But the wrinkle being that there some
connectivity and familiarity there in terms ofobviously Lindsey now going to Detroit, but
also like to have a familiarity withTim Hardaway. But also Sean Sweeney is
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going to be interviewing or has alreadyinterviewed for that job in Detroit as well,
to be the potentially their next headcoach. So a lot of Dallas
Detroit's connection that is being happening here. But for Tim Hardaway, look,
the overall arching point here is TimHardaway. It doesn't feel like it's going
to be on this roster by thetime we get to the end of free
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agency, and certainly not by thetime obviously that we get to training camp.
It feels like the Mavericks are determinedto go ahead and move off of
him as potentially to you know,allow guys like Jaydon Hardy and others to
start to be able to flourish withinthis team. It feels like it's becoming
much more certain and maybe as soonas what happens over the next couple of
days in terms of the NBA Draft, that Tim Hardaway Junior doesn't appear as
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going to be on this team forvery much longer here. Yeah, absolutely
right, Like this, this theNBA is one of those mile markers during
the course of an NBA season wheretransactions can happen and you know, will
happen, right, And yeah,man, we knew, We've known for
I mean honestly for years at thispoint that this organization would prefer to have
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moved Tim Hardaway Junior. And nowit's very evidence that if this is the
most palatable that he and his contracthave been around the league and so that
that parting of ways feels like ithas to happen and it will happen.
I mean, we've heard people onthe record, off the record kind of
all point to that direction when itcomes to Quentin Grimes like sure, I
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mean again, I don't I don'tfeel I don't feel awful about the idea
of redundancy in theory. I thinka lot of times we look at redundancy
as like a negative, like,hey, you already have that in this
you don't need another one. Butsometimes redundancy can be good because if one
is if one fails in some ways, and I don't necessarily mean that,
you have another thing that gives yousomething similar, and at the very least,
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what it would give you is arotation player that he has an opportunity
to come in and give you likeward one comes with a fresh start and
doesn't come with the baggage that youhad previously had, and just like a
rotation player that maybe can add inthat maybe can fit with what Jase's kid
is doing, and most importantly alittle bit of cap relief, because that's
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the thing when it comes to TimHardaway Junior, you just need to get
that number down and Quentin Grimes sittingon that four and foreign change million dollar
contract at least for the twenty fourto twenty five season. That matters.
That definitely matters. So yeah,No, that connectivity with Detroit is interesting
because maybe that smooths over the waythat this goes. And maybe it's just
like an aligning of perspectives on makingthat particular deal happen, and who knows
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deals in the future, but atthe very least, like I'm with it,
right, Like I don't think thatit's and I don't think it's objectionable,
right, Like, I don't knowthat necessarily you're looking at Quentin Grimes
is coming in and making a changeto what you're talking about, right,
And you mentioned the exit interviews forHarrison. He talked about like you know,
the top seven or eight on theirteam remaining the same. Quinn Grimes
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isn't a guy that you're talking aboutin that group of guys. So it's
not I don't think it's going tomatter a ton, But what it will
matter will matter with is that twelvemillion dollars that you can save on your
cap sheet by making that particular move. So it's it's in some ways not
a big deal, but in otherway, it's a very big deal,
if that makes sense, especially ifyou get Grimes and you're able to use
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Josh Green potentially to move him inanother deal that you're trying to potentially make
that where Grimes could fill in andbe a little bit have a little bit
larger role if you decide to moveon from Josh Green. It's interesting you
brought up to Derrick Jones Junior pointof all this too, with Nicole Harrison,
who had mentioned during his you know, exit interviewing end of the year
press conference that you know that DerrickJones Jr. Is both one A,
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one B in terms of priority.It's a key for this team now.
Jake Fisher, reporting for Yahoo Sports, detailing the similar information when it comes
to Tim Hardaway Junior in the factthat the Maps are trying to move him
again the attractive part being that hehas the expiring contract. Fisher adds on
to it, saying that, look, if the Mavericks are not able to
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retain the services of a Derrick JonesJunior, who could be looking somewhere,
you know, based off of whatwe're kind of understanding in terms of the
Mavericks having that five point one fivepoint two million dollar mid level exception that
they have, it's going to takea little bit more than that in order
to keep Derrick Jones. You we'retalking about potentially in the ten to twelve
million dollar range that he could be, you know, looking for, or
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maybe even a full non taxpayer midright like the exact full non taxpayer mod
is right around thirteen I believe,mm hmm. So the Mavericks will still
have to make something shake in orderto get to that number in order to
get him, you know, backinto the fold. But if the Mavericks
aren't unable to retain the services ofDerrick Jones, Fisher reports that the Mavericks
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could be interested in a Naji Marshallfrom the Pelicans. Marshall, sixty seven,
got a seven foot wingspan, twentysix years of basis, finished his
fourth season with the Pelicans. Theathletic defender shot the ball in terms of
thirty eight percent from the three pointline, but not on volume necessarily only
about two and a half tempts pergame, but did have a pretty nice
postseason, even in the four gamesthat the Pelicans you know, got swept
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in of course, I guess theOklahoma City Thunder. But Naji Marshall could
be a guy who was a formerundrafted player, former two eight guy that's
really carved out a nice little spacefor him. Who does that sound like?
That sounds a lot like Derek JonesJunior former Derek Oh yeah, yeah,
right, Like, yeah, You'reabsolutely in that space, and he
is an interesting player in that way. Plus all of the things that we
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talked about. I feel like I'ma year away or like I'm going back
a year in the past, becausemyself and you had a conversation that I
was actually listening back to recently.The idea of Hey, Derek Jones Jr.
Like the shot, the three pointshooting isn't at a big number,
but when you look at corner threesand you look at those numbers like and
then you add that Luca bump ofthe ways that he's going to create,
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that takes it up to a differentlevel. And Najie Marshall is interesting in
that perspective. But I think thatthere's something about that continuity that you can
have knowing exactly what the role isand not necessarily having to project it that
Derrick Jones Junior is super appealing.Plus the athleticism, right, we talk
about the vertical aspect of the gamethat was added with Lively and Gafford.
Derek Jones Junior is one of thoseguys too. They utilized him with the
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pick. We saw them in thefinals where it was like, hey,
that one to five pick and rollisn't necessarily happening. How about this one
three pick and roll with Derrick JonesJunior where he's now rolling and throwing it
up to him for a slam.Those are things that I don't know that
you can necessarily replicate in that way, and I think that there's a level
of comfort. So if you canget that done, that matters. And
that's why if you go back right, the twelve million dollars whatever that you
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could create and a potential Tim HardawayJunior Quentin Grimes deal matters because you're what
one point eight million dollars over theluxury luxury tax threshold. And look,
my head is hurting because I've spentthe last two hours trying to figure out
what's happening with the CBA. I'mliterally zero percent smarter for my efforts.
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But like, if you have anysmall inkling of what's happening there. You
know that there's some the new CBAhas some real wild workings that make it
tough to make some things shake,and being under some of these thresholds would
help a good amount. So that'sthat leeway. That room would help greatly
in facilitating a Dereck Jones Junior's dealor even the Naji Marshall deal. If
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someone comes and throws a bag infront of Derrick Jones, Junior lures him
away. So yeah, all thesethings kind of tie together. It's another
off season where Nico Harrison has arelatively thin, relatively thin landing strip to
to land on. Right, there'sa needle to thread, maybe not exactly
in the same way as last offseasonwhere he had to make sure to get
a number ten pick and then turnthat number ten pick into a twelve and
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a twenty sum which wherever you goto max right like and flip and flip
and flip, maybe you're not exactlyand then he did that again to the
trade deadline, just realized because hewent to the Bank of Presty and flipped
and flipped the right and so maybeit's not exactly the same level of flip,
flip, flip, but there's someflipping that needs to be done,
and so Nico Harrison has a levelexperience, but here he goes level three
or four at this point because itfeels like at every juncture that he's been
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since he's been here, he's hadto do some level of flip KP.
Kyrie Lively, Gafford, PJ.White, Like, there's some level of
threading the needle to have to bedone, and you're in another reason,
to his credit, he's done it. Yeah, you know, so I
think if you're a maverisman, youknow, listening to this and seeing the
kind of the things that are happeninghere, thinking you know, what could
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happen between now and by the timewe gets to the end of the NBA
Draft. Nico Harrison is shown awillingness and a capability to be able,
as you mentioned, to flip alot of different kinds of assets, to
be able to get the kinds ofplayers that have obviously helped this team make
it to the NBA Finals. Howmuch more that gymnastics is he going to
have to do given the fact thatwhat we look at in terms of their
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draft capital and the limited final antleresources that they have. He's going to
have to turn a lot of thatinto some different things because you know,
the Naji Marshall thing. That's aninteresting thing because again, as you mentioned,
it kind of reminds you of theidea of how they are able to
get you know, Derek Jones Juniorin terms of a you know, vetrimentimum
signing and he be able to turninto the kind of player that he did
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for the Matters past year. Butit also gets me to this because the
Bleacher Report puts out a very interestingtrade scenario that I kind of wanted to
go over with you because you know, when you look at how the NBA
and the salary cap and the waythat things are structured now, it makes
it a lot more difficult for theseteams to be able to keep together expensive
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rosters and your ability to be ableto develop young talent and to be able
to have cheap talent and be successful. It feels like a lot of ways
that's the way this is going togo. Hell, even the Lakers where
you were talking about it when theyhired JJ Reddick Rob Polinka talking about,
look, we've got to find creativeways to be able to build a program
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that has centered around player development,because it's much more prohibitive now to be
able to have the kinds of rostersthat you have traditionally in the past,
where you could keep a bunch ofexpensive players. This brings me to this
because Weacher Report puts out this mocktrade idea and it has to do with
the Portland Trailblazers. Now, whetheryou feel like you know Malcolm Brogten or
someone else may be a little morefeasible, that's another conversation for another day.
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But the trade idea is that theMavericks would get Jeremy Grant okay,
and the Portland Trailblazer would receive TimHardaway junior, Maxi Klieba, their twenty
twenty five first round pick, andtheir twenty thirty one first round pick in
order to facilitate that kind of deal. Now, what's interesting is Jake Fisher.
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We talked a little bit earlier interms of the Derrick Jones junior information
with Najie Marshall potentially being a fitif the mavers aren't able to retain him.
There's reporting by Fisher that the Lakerscould be in play for Jeremy Grant
by giving up their seventeenth pick ofthis year's draft in order to try and
facilitate something with Portland again, youwill be absorbing a contract where Grant is
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owed over thirty million dollars plus forthe next you know, that's a four
plus one. No, that's afour plus one. He's still got five
years I believe, or is itfour years three plus four? Yeah?
Yeah, because he was a fiveyear deal. He's run one year.
He has an option on the lastyear, so it's a three plus one.
And that's why if you're watching thevideo copy of this, you might
have seen me kind of WinCE alittle bit that you put two first round
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picks in this and it's tough.That's see. I am. I am
still viewing this in some ways likethat's not a good contract necessarily for what
he is. Right. Let's what'sinteresting about that is the salary cap is
going to continue to go up.Yes, it's one thing that you know,
if you're looking at the amount ofmoney, because by the time you
get to the end of that deal, I believe it's around thirty six million
dollars. He's old than the finalyear of that deal. The salary cap
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is going to continue to go up, especially with the new television deal.
Whenever that's officially you know, signedand ratified and you know, in place,
so that contract will look a littlebit different in light of the salary
cap continuing to increase versus what itdoes now that if you're thinking about it
a little bit more forward in thefuture, they say, Okay, maybe
that's something you can absorb a littlebit more based off of the fact that
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you'll have more room in the salarycap. Yes, And I think I
think that's a good note, andthank you for adding to that, because
I think that that's from a perspectiveof viability, it's definitely viable. I'm
talking about like when we're talking abouta value proposition to the player's capabilities,
right, Yeah, if we're talkingabout money as a proxy for evaluation of
player, that contract does not fitwith what we have with Jeremy Grant here.
I almost called him his brother,all right, brother, I believe,
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yes, But like I'm not sayingthat to say that he is bad.
Right, but ay man, theBlazers have a lot of money tied
up, right, Like, gettingoff of Jeremy Grant is not simply hey,
this is an asset that we cansend somewhere. This is cap relief
in some ways, and so likeit's tough because there's another team rumored,
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as you mentioned, the Lakers thatare looking for him as like a talent
acquisition, and so they can takeplay it as such. But like I
view that the potential of a MAVsPortland's trade in this way as like it's
kind of cat balancing. And ifyou take Tim Hardaway junior expiring mac to
Kleeb but expiring in another two years, or like right, two years remaining
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right to get off of a threeplus one on a player who is not
necessarily providing you the same value asits contractors worth. Hey man, I
feel like we could wipe our handsand be done with this. Or if
you want to add a little extra, I can. I could throw you
a second in here. And maybeI'm driving too hard of a bargain,
right, but if we talk aboutone first, all right, I'm a
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little uneasy too. First, whatare we talking about, right, especially
when not just two first, they'retwo first in a context of where to
utter first at, because those twofirsts are getting mighty lonely, right,
Like you don't have you not younot the you not the apparently the New
York Knicks. But you're also notthe Oklaman's City thunder, right, You're
not. You don't have have awar chest of picks, right, so
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I think you have to be judiciouswith them, and I don't know that
doesn't feel like it'd be being judiciouswith them. Now addressing the player himself,
I think it's an interesting fit,right, Like, Offensively, he
is a shooter. He can geta shot a little bit, which you
needed kind of a third guy whocan get his shot a little bit.
Defensively, he has thea I thinkhe has the capabilities and the framework that
put in the context that the thatthe Mavericks and Jason kids seemingly have done.
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They've drawn the best defensively out ofall the guys that they've had in
the system, maybe save one,hello Christian would right, And so like
I like that. The tough thingabout it is like he has not played
a lot of winning basketball, andI do wonder what the organization views of
him in that context, right,and like if he fits into the fits
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into the kind of the the characteristicsof the team, right, the rale
of the team, because that wasa question that we have for PJ.
Washington. But PJ Washington, likeyou couldssuage some of that, like super
hard worker, like all those things, and he came in and he ended
up fitting it. Right, whathappens if that doesn't work, especially because
it's a three post one and thenyou're in that place where you have a
lot of your cap space tied up. If this trade is gone in the
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way that it does, you wouldhave used even more of your very limited
assets, and there's not really alot of opportunity to then fix that per
se. Like the two first reallymake me super queasy. Right, if
you're talking about this with the particularplayers and then maybe limited draft capital assets,
you can talk me into it alot easier. I don't like that
as its situated. Yeah, acouple of things, because the Mavers already
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don't have control of their first roundpicks between the years twenty twenty seven and
twenty thirty. Like we're talking aboutthe top two protective first that they owe
Charlotte in twenty twenty seven, Brooklyn, Well, they owe that pick to
in the first round in twenty twentynine, but now that pick is now
belongs to Houston, So That justshows you how quickly things could change.
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That that's when nine unprotected picture thatwas going to Brooklyn now Houston owns.
And now they have a chance,based on contingencies, to pick which one
that they want between Dallas and Phoenix. That's another conversation for another day.
But the idea being here is,you know, I think Grant's getting a
little bit of a bad rap becausehe decided because the way that he was
playing in Denver, for example,really good defensive player, you know,
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offensively, you could see some flashesthere, but he decided to go get
the payday from Portland where he's gonnaget more many more shots and still be
kind of one of the primary offensiveplayers there. I think Detroit first before
he ended up in Portland, right, yeah, well one of like he
eventually took the payda to go andget, you know, and got it
from the Portland Trailblazers. And Ithink for him, he at thirty years
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of age, I think if hecame to a situation in Dallas, it
would feel a lot of ways likehe would be able to turn. He
would have the chance to win andwin with a really good team, and
I think he would be able tofit in just fine here, Like this
is a guy who really started toopen up people's eyes when he was with
Team USA and really was a bigpart of what they were able to do
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in terms of winning what was thegold medal and was at two thousand I
guess technically twenty twenty one for theTokyo twenty twenty Games. But the point
being like he fit in well there. I think he would be fine here
in Dallas. But that is asteep price to pay. Again, as
we mentioned with the idea that youhave to be able to develop young talent
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and find young cheap talent in orderto build your roster because of how much
more difficult it is to maintain andbuild your rosters. Now that giving up
your twenty twenty five and your twentythirty one, the twenty five, okay,
I might be willing to go aheadand move, especially for the window
of when now that you're in thetwenty twenty five went okay, especially,
Yeah, that's not as likely tobe a high pick, right exactly.
(26:52):
Feel was super impossible that that's goingto be a high pick exactly now the
twenty thirty one one, Okay,now hold on, we might have to
pump the brakes on that. Butyeah, if it means just I move
on for Tim Hardaway and Maxi Kleiba. If I have to throw in someone
else, maybe it's a Josh Screenor someone else to be able to make
that shake and the twenty twenty fivefirst round pick, Yeah, I would
probably do that, even with himbeing at thirty years of age, because
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I think him as a player goingto the environment, the strong culture that
the Mavericks have built here, Ithink he would be able to be absorbed
into that fairly well and to playalongside Luca and Kyrie to be able to
fit here in Dallas in that way. Yeah, I mean, I think
it's interesting. I do like theplayer. I do think that he provides,
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at least in theory, most ofthe things that you were looking for
as we're looking through that NBA Finalswere like, Oh, you still need
another guy that you feel dependable togo to as a third scorer. You
would love to have another guy thatcan kind of create his own especially in
if you find the context of Hey, Oklahoma City Thunder are going to be
a team that matters in the West, and they demonstrated that they have a
(27:57):
couple of dudes that can defend andtake your two headed monster of creators and
make their lives difficult. Right,and so if you have a third person
that goes okay, you've tried totake these two cards off off the table.
Well, here here's the section onethat we have of our sleeve.
Like it makes it a lot better. And you're in a place now after
going to the finals where now youstart building your team not just to be
(28:19):
generally good, but to face offagainst the teams that are around you.
I think that that could be superhelpful in addition to adding another defender in
the context of your starting lineup,especially if Derek Jones Junior is not going
to remain, Like if that's apossibility, and even if he does remain,
now you are have a little bitof a wealth of those types of
things. I like what the playerprovides. It just has to come at
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the right price. Like, that'sthe tough thing that you're now throwing the
needle on because a few or likeI guess, past asset drip, right,
you've lost assets in certain places andyou've had to use assets to kind
of cover over and paper over orfix some other issues that have happened,
and so now you're on a placewhere you can't really you can't really afford
to overpay a little bit, likeor at least I don't feel like you
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can. Like maybe maybe Nico Harrison, who probably is a lot better at
assessing those risks right in the ROIon all of these things, right,
having been an executive Nike in thenow with the Mavericks done this for a
few years, Maybe he's I'm notMaybe he's definitely going to be better at
this, But that feels like somethingwhere you don't have a lot of opportunity
or a lot of leeway to overpayfor that circumstance, at least not from
(29:26):
my perspective. No, I agree, Like it had to be a really
calculated risk to be able to makethat move because in a lot of ways,
that's the team that you got fora little bit. It'd be pretty
final, pretty damn yeah, ifyou make that move for Jim mcgrant,
that's kind of the roster that yougot for a while to be able to
try and work with to get toa championship. And that's not to even
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mention the ideas Luka donc is gettinghis massive contract extension at the end of
this upcoming season. Yeah, conversationspotentially about a Kyrie Irving extension that you're
going to have to start really thinkingabout as well. Well, Like,
there are other financial ramifications that ifyou decide to trade for a player like
jam mcgrant that's really going to comeup and by the time you get to
(30:07):
the end of next season and thinkingabout what you may have to do,
and then honestly, you start thinkingabout if if Daniel Gafford and PJ.
Washington continue to make the you know, the growth and the leaves that we
think, especially we've heard reported,you know from Brian Demeriz with you know
the take that Witch your podcast thatyou know, they're retooling PJ. Washington's
(30:30):
three point shot extensively to where bythe time we get to this upcoming season,
we may see a completely brand newthree point shot for PJ. Washington
if he, let's say, forconversations, take that he gets there too.
You're talking about another player that couldbe in line to be able to
have a nice little payday in selfin terms of an extension if he continues
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to show that growth, Like there'sa lot of things that are starting to
come into play here based off ofwhat this team is at, what they
have from a asset management standpoint,that really make things interesting. But that
is what this time of the yearis interesting when it comes to all this.
Shout out to Woes for dropping somebombs to make it even that much
more interesting before we into date.Anything that you want to see when it
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comes to this Mavericks team from atrade standpoint, a free agency standpoint,
or just any general thoughts on whatwe have seen over the first you know,
I guess a couple of days leadingup to the draft when it comes
to all this year, well,I don't know. I don't know that
there's I mean, I would liketo see some level of Well, first
of all, obviously, make surethe Tim thing actually happens this time,
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right, I feel like we've allsettled in on the idea that it will
happen. However, I feel likeI've been in this place before, right
and again, Yes, I thinkthat this is the circumstance that lends itself
most to it happening. And Idon't say this because Tim Hardaway Junior is
some kind of bad guy. However, Hey, make sure that thing happens
for real this time, right,Like, for real, see it out,
my boy? Right, I needthis, I need this to actually
happen this time, I think justI wouldn't be super sad if it's just
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spring Tim Hardaway Junior back run itback right Like. I think that this
is a well built team when itcomes to the cohesion that they seem to
have. But I don't even knowif there's something in particular that I'm looking
forward to. I have a lotof trust in Nico Harrison, and we
talked about the ways of which atevery given juncture he's gone and tried to
make a swing and should the swingnot work or should the swing not fit,
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which I think is really only onewhere you talk about Grant Williams.
Immediately that gets fixed up and itgets put into a place where it is
better. Right. So I kindof trust him, and you should trust
him with the evaluation and identifying whatthe issue is and putting the right one
in there, because that's why youwent and got this particular dude. Right.
He was a executive and Nike anddoing that he had to be able
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to identify talent, and it seemslike he's been very good at that in
the early stages of his tenure here, and so like, I trust him
to make the right moves, whetherit's limited moves or being fairly aggressive.
So from that perspective, I trusthim. And then also like, I
think he's done a great job ofworking with people that are workable. Right.
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I talked about Danny Ainge, Butlike Danny Ainge drives a hard bargain.
He did in Boston, he doeswith Utah now right, And I
feel like, if you look backat the people that tim are sorry that
Nico Harrison has worked with the generalmanagers, I don't think. I think
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that he's selected the right general managersto work with to get things done that
are not necessarily go inn dry themost difficult bargains per se. And so
I don't know, I've built alot of trust with this dude. And
maybe he maybe he would look atthat Jeremy Grant trade and say, actually
that's the right number, especially whenyou're seeing out here that Michael Bridges to
draw draw five first. Maybe Ijust don't know what it is, right,
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Maybe I'm like, yeah, JeremyGrant does draw one or two first.
No idea, no earthly idea fromover here to be completely honest,
woo that in the last couple ofyears, mckel Bridges have gotten five first
round picks. Rudy Gobert had fouras well. Rudy Gobert was it was
four first round picks that he gotfour and yeah, the the entire now
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hall of the I think four.Was it three? In my bug I
want to say it was six,but that's well that was what swaps,
I'm sure. Yeah, that's whatI'm saying. I think the total hall
was like six if I remember correctly, with the swaps and everything else.
It was an insane It was aninsane number. It was more than what
Kevin Durant got obviously when he wentto UH when he went to Phoenix,
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and obviously what we're seeing with thewhole mckel bridges trade. But yeah,
it was it was four first anda swap for Rudy Gobert. The mckel
Bridges is five first and a swapand some seconds. I think in there
as well, right, like weare just in an insane place when it
comes to trades. My bad tothe CBA because I was like, Yo,
the CBA is going to make itso that it's so much more difficult
(34:58):
to make things happen, and theywere like, oh really for real,
you sure well. Look the waythat I'm gonna end this today is the
Mavericks. Go find a way togo get Ognobe. I don't know how
you do it. Make it happensomehow. Man, when he says he
doesn't know, he really doesn't.We spent the first fifteen minutes before no
idea, no idea, how that'sgoing to happen. Be smarter than us,
(35:20):
please please, please please figure itout. That would be awesome.
And somehow you got og and thatwould be crazy. By the way,
Luka Kyrie og Anobi as your yourtop three guys, that would be and
then PJ and Lively round five.I could work with that. That's tough.
That's tough. That is imagine wegot look just PJ and og by
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themselves locking folks down, and thenyou got Luke and Kyrie doing anything on
the office of end. And whetheror not you want to insert this will
be another conversation for another day.Is it time to insert Derek Lively as
your full time starter at center?And had Daniel Gafford coming off the bench.
We'll talk about it that sometime downthe road. But if you want
to tap Lively in your starting lineup, a Luca Kyrie O GPJ Lively starting
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lineup. Yeah. Yeah, theword that came to mind is dynamic.
Yes, yes, very much,so very much so. Well, that'll
end today's show. Red. Tellthe folks wherey can find you yet man
at rech Attitula on Twitter, andyeah, sometimes I'll be on Lockdown MAVs.
(36:28):
Check out my man Nick Angstadt,always giving you great content alongside the
inside Inside the Mass podcast. Igot Kevin Gray mm hmmm, uh yeah,
definitely check out his latest episode withNick. He had a good friend
of ours, Lauren Gunn, onthe podcast for him. Yeah, I
know, I know. I wasexcited to see I've been slacking them up,
pimp and I will go do that. Yeah, for sure, for
(36:51):
sure. You can find me onTwitter at Kevin Gray Sports. Of course
your Mavericks Prim Pelska Helson, theDallas Mavericks Radio Network. If you're watching
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