Is the UFL Any Value to the NFL?

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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Good evening, everybody. Hope you had a great Memorial Day weekend, everybody.
And we have a we're not talking NFL tonight. We're
going in a different director than the nighted Football League,
and we have a new guy in the house and
a guy that won't be new after this show because
they're gonna make sure we have plenty of room from
mister Marvin Powell to turn. Welcome to the big show, Marvin.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thank you for having me. I look forward to this.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Oh, we look forward to you more than you'll ever know,
mister Powell. And I can imagine the rival reason will
be built within the network when we have other people
you're going to get to know TVD Stay tuned, everybody,
hocome back to Ben True, what's good?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
What's good? Everybody?

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:04):
I was in Marvin, I mean, you know, we been
on the showman.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
I appreciate you, Grace and me and me and Steven,
and I was like, you know, George, I'm just looking
forward to some of the stories with George and Scott.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
I mean, I hope they PG. I hope they hope
they good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
You know that's a family friendly, family friendly yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Gee, I don't know if it's PG with his knuckle
ahead here, but it's okay, And we've survived with each
other for forty five years enough that this guy wrote
the forward of my book. It can't be all that
bad if I had to do it, So PG, I
don't know. It depends on how long you watch us
go at it and all the boxing matches that we
had at stadiums in Le Metro Detroit area. Well, that said,

(01:45):
we also have Stephen Reischall, the guy who has brought
me together with the people like Christine Jones, Bent Troop
and now Marvin Paul unbelievable. Steve will tell you what
I will say. This is my heir apparent here on
the South Florida Tribune. If anything, what just happened to me,
I'm leaving Steve obviously in charge of the broadcast side

(02:05):
of Candy E. Bling, who is up here is handling
all the inside between that dynamic two of Steven and Candy.
I don't think you can do much better than these two.
So that's our crew as we get rid of tonight
busy busy show tonight. Candy, welcome back.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Thank you, and Marvin welcome and thank you for being
the hatless person without me making me feel good to
all the other men have hats on. So thank you, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Absolutely, there you go here, you have it before we
get to any UFL news. So I do want to
have a special shout out. Jim Mersay, the lake owner
or the Indianapolis Colts, passed away last week in the
age of sixty five years of age. I think it's
well document and that mister ers had issues with substance

(03:00):
abuse issues and died way too soon. You leaves see
Polts organization in good hands was his three daughters who
will take over and succeeded as late fathered my birthday.
And Jim was good for winning a Super Bowl and
building the pro football base out in Indianapolis. So rest

(03:22):
in peace. Anybody else have any comments on Jim Mersday,
Go ahead, Ben, I'll start with you all work around.
Good to have Ralph Williams and the house.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah. Back when I was with the with the Tigers,
I never had a chance to really talk to Jim Mersey, uh,
you know, for player at the GM. But I heard
a lot of great things about him. I mean, I
know what what he meant to a guy. I know
what he meant to the city of Indianapolis. I know
what he meant to a guy like Peyton Manning and
you know, just it Joe's without saying man, I mean
a guy like Tony Dunch, I mean the first African
American head coach and winning to win the Super Bowl

(03:52):
in the national the Football League got a chance to
be higher by a guy like Jim Mersay. So and
a lot of times when you start talking about owners
in the NFL, who's gonna be that nuanced type of owner,
who's gonna be the owner that's gonna go against the
green Who's gonna be the one that's gonna challenge the
status quo. So I give Jim Ersay, you know, a
lot of credit for what he built in Indy and
uh what he meant to that that city, to that state.

(04:14):
And like I said, in Indiana is always gonna be
a football you know state. But I mean, I'm sorry
Basketball state. I'm sorry Basketball state. But when you you know,
like I said, he brought a winner there and you
know I was, you know, that's back when Peyton man
and Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark and
those guys and Bob Sanders and Dwight Freennie and Robert Manthe.

(04:37):
I mean they ran to a FC South, they just did.
So he will be missed. And like I said, man,
uh you know, I know, h may he rest in paradise.
I know that his daughter's gonna do a great job
of continuing his legacy. Big big shoes the field. But uh,
you know, here, I am a guy that you know,
played for the Titans, shawing love to Jim Mersey, who
who did a more than phenomenal job for the coach.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Candy.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Obviously I didn't play football, but when you when you
talk about somebody and you listen to a lot of
their a lot of his former players, and they come
out and talk so highly about him, you know what
kind of man he was. And yes he had his struggles,
but we all have struggles in some way, shape or form.

(05:24):
What he did for Indianapolis and the Colt Bill was
was great. I mean, to bring that franchise more to light,
to bring someone like Peyton Manning there, I mean, you know,
he's going to be missed, and it's sad. It's sad,
but he's at peace now. And yeah, it's just sad

(05:49):
for the NFL, but he was a great man.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
I'll leave it with that, Hey, George, Well, yeah, he's
going to be missed, and you know where he's going
to be missed all lot is the NFL meetings. You know,
the owners get together more than once a year. Of course,
those those those important meetings that they have to go
over rules and go over their subcommittees. And I know
that Sheila Hemp, the majority owner of the Detroit Lions.

(06:16):
I know she obviously has a hole in her heart
as all the owners do. You know, it is a family.
I know you always have renegades. Al Davis comes to mind,
Jerry Jones, But I mean you got owners there that
work together as a family, and the committees and all
that detailed work that has to be done in the
executive level. And he's going to be missed a lot

(06:39):
by his fans, by the city, and obviously by the
NFL and their ownership committee as well. Rest in peace, Jim.

Speaker 7 (06:48):
Stephen, Yeah, Mery, like like you guys have already touched on.
You know, it's a fraternity, especially when it comes to
you know, the the upper manager of h of our our,
our our beloved NFL. You know, as far as the
player side, Obviously there's gonna be guys that had special

(07:09):
connections to him from stuff that I was reading online,
you know, uh, you know it's you know, Scott touched on.
He had subsequent abuse issues and things of that nature.
But he was also a guy that you know, the
players could relate to. You could sit down there have
a beer with Jo joke aurand talk about life things
that that nature. So there's other things that you know, Uh,
he meant a lot to people, not just you know

(07:31):
as being the the the Colts owner, not just being
the owner owner of a football franchise. He was He
was a genuine human being. And it's a rare thing,
especially when you have a you know, uh that that
boss player type of dynamic. It's it's not not often
that you can have someone that you can relate to
on that level. So I know, uh, a lot of

(07:54):
those uh, those guys and and uh and management members
down there in Indianapolis or feeling it this week.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I'm sure. Yeah, I'll tell you what Indianapolis are busy weekend.
George and I can a Tessa. The fact of Lake
get busy around Memorial Day. It does. George and I
ended up going to Indianapolis. Five hundred was on an
Indiana Pacers game. Now you had the Indiana fever to
the mix. That's a big sports capo. And it's all right,
I believe the last word on this topic to Marvin Paul.

Speaker 8 (08:23):
Yeah, so it says a lot about him when you
you know what the things you hear from Pat McAfee
and from Peyton and these guys, all you hear is
positive stuff. And it's obvious this guy had tremendous impact
in that city, you know, in regards to you know,
and I never knew, I never met him, had a
chance to play against Peyton early in his career, but

(08:47):
Ers turned that place into a football town.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
You know.

Speaker 8 (08:50):
I think he really brought a lot of Colts fever.
I think that's the very real thing. And you know,
he had just nothing but positive impact regarding everything else.
I mean, when I hear about you know, and you've
and you've heard about throughout his life, the things he
struggled with, all that tells me he's a human being.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
All that tells me is that he's real. He's lived
in real.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
Life like everybody else, and he's dealt with it in
different ways like everybody else.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
And he's a human being. You know, I think his
his legacy. I think his.

Speaker 8 (09:19):
Memory is a positive one. And the NFL, without question,
and in that state, in that city are brought off
because because of him, without question.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
You know what, we're going to transition over another college
icon that we're going to get to the meat of
the show. A guy by the name of League Courso
is set to retire from ESPN's College Game Day after
thirty eight years. What did he mean to you guys,
and what's it out? You know what, Marvin, what are
your thoughts about League Courso?

Speaker 8 (09:47):
Legend, college football legend and you know he will tell
you what he was.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
He was good with USC.

Speaker 8 (09:53):
Uh, I think I think every time USC had a
home game and he picked USCV one, I think it's
I think that's that's I think it's like sixteen to oh.
But Corosso, I mean, he's a part of college football history.
You know, the game is better when you listen when
you know when Lee Crosso is involved. And he's somebody
who absolutely again had impact on this game and and uh,

(10:18):
we'll miss him on that show.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Just this is his presence, everything about him.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
With that question, Steven, you know, Melvin already spirit that
he's absolute legend. Like when it comes to to U
the broadcase and side of things. You know, he brought
a he brought an energy to that, to that booth.
And you know when they announced last year that that
was that that was gonna be his swan song. And

(10:42):
he didn't disappoint. Man, He just he always showed out.
He always brought the energy. My thing is, how do
you go and replace a guy like that? How do
you go and replace a guy like that? He was
just so new. It's like trying to replace you know,
Jimmy Vitao. It's just it's not gonna happen. You're gonna
have a hole there for a period of time. There's
no one gonna be able to duplicate what he did

(11:04):
over that period of time. So it's gonna be interesting.
I hope he enjoys his retirement. Hopefully he stays around
the game in some way, shape or form. And you know,
let's see what let's see what ESPN College Game Day
does to to offset the loss.

Speaker 6 (11:21):
George, Well, you can't replace Steve. You know that, you
can't replace a legend like that. And I agree with you. Uh,
you know, one of these days we're going to say
goodbye to you know, Dick fight Tel. We've already been
brought through some of the Jimmy Johnson now has hung
it up on the NFL Fox pre game show. But
this guy is unbelievable. I mean, he made College Game

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Day along with the other commentators, don't get me wrong,
and the fans and the whole atmosphere of that show.
They made that must see TV ESPN as corny as
those crazy get ups were, the mascot helmet hats and
the figures that he put on his head and hits.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Off to Kurt herp Street.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
Okay, you know Kirk knew, I mean we all knew
that Lee was in declining help and what Kirk did
to to be with him and be like a father's
son almost, you know, and help him out on that set.
We all knew there were some things that Lee just
couldn't do as you know, his time do. He wasn't
there for hour after hour like the other guys were.

(12:26):
But what a great person. He loves the sports so
much and just like my tell in college basketball that
you mentioned, it's just it's a great career and let's
not put him out like he's gone forever. But thank
you Lee Carso for all you've contributed to college football,
especially on ESPN.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Now, just a little FLI have before I turn over
toy of Ben. George and I were working at WXYZ Radio,
the ABC affiliate Detroit back in seventy nine. Dick Mattel
had the show before Sports Talk, so we bumped into
him all the time, and we really did think about

(13:06):
us following Dick Vitel back in the day when he
was the Years and Detroyed Titans men basketball, because it
was unbelievable. George and I were doing this all the time,
and then Candy and I I introduced her to him
when he's in Sarasota because he doesn't because of Dick
Vitel's great work with obviously cancer research, go back to

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lead Corso. To me, he is the Dick Vitel of
college football, a coach who made himself in a broadcast booth.
When you do something like that transformation, it's unbelievably legendary.
I will point out another little fact here while George
got me ont a Kirk curve Street thing. Can you
imagine what it's like for Kirk Curvestreet who played for

(13:50):
all Ohio State. Think about this where Sun plays for
the Michigan Wolverines. Yeah, Marvin, how bitter of a pill
with that being to wear a Michigan logo with his
son playing.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
Listen, I'll be I have a nine year old who's
very excited about playing sports professionally at the collegiate level.
And listen, I tell him, like my dad told me,
you know, you take advantage of any opportunity you create.
I support whatever you want to do. With that said,
you don't don't go to U still and don't going
to Notre Dame. Not do that, and you know, you know,

(14:33):
so I think Kirk is absolutely supporting his son one
hundred percent. I think Kirk is proud of his son.
I think Kirk, you know, is proud a proud dad,
to be honest with you. And I think it's tough
on him, but I think it's easier than you think
for him to go out there and support his kid
that his kid plays well, and you know, so on

(14:54):
and so forth. So that's that's it's tough, and you know,
I just I just hope that little More does the
right thing, whatever that means, whatever I mean, whatever that.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Means, yeah, no fighting Michigan, even though you had the
best response I've ever seen on the inside to pick that.
Just don't go to the be here. And when Candy
goes out there and comes up with these reels and
shorts and Stephen is tough so eloquently, I wouldn't be
surprised if we get a good one there with Kirk

(15:24):
Kurve Street Uh and his son going over to Michigan.
And now you bring in that car. That was classic.
Thank Stephen, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (15:34):
No, I was gonna say, I take the crazy part
is this. Nobody recruited me harder than U. C.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
L A.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
And Gary Bernardi did a phenomenal job, and this guy listened.
He had me thinking a little bit, I'm not going
He had me thinking he was good. He was good
like that. But at the end of the day, there
was no way in the world I was going to
go to that school.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Are you crazy?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well? I mean, while you have an interesting situation at
her Street house with son Herbstreet going to Michigan and
Kirk going to Ohio State, don't get any better than this, right, Stephen, Oh,
it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Man.

Speaker 7 (16:08):
The the collegiate rivalries are just that it's it's a
totally different animal. Then you have another another layer of
that when it when it becomes you know, father son
grant some things of that nature. It's it's it's an
interesting wrinkle, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
So now we're gonna get Candy and Ben the opportunity
to come in on Corso in Herb Street things or
bringing his name up. Go ahead, Candy So.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Corso, who turns ninety in August, began his popular headgear
segment in October of nineteen ninety six at a game
at Ohio State. Since then, he has gone two hundred
and eighty six to one hundred and forty four in

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four hundred and thirty selections, wearing everything from helmets and
mascot heads to dressing up is the fighting Irish Leprechaun
from Notre Dame, the Stanford Tree, and historic figures such
as James Madison and Benjamin Franklin. One of his most
well known comments, not so fast, my friends, and his

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good humor, alongside Herbstreet Rhees Davis and Desen Howard and
many others going back more than three decades, helped make
Corso and the Show a beloved staple for millions on
college football Saturdays. It's amazing that in today's day and

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age that someone lasts at one job in one on
one channel for as long as he did, because you
talk about kids that graduate from college these days, and
they said, I think it's something like, on average, they're
gonna have four at least four different careers, not jobs,

(18:08):
not companies you're working for, but careers. So for someone
to last as long as he did in the booth
on one station doing what he obviously loves is a
testament to him.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
You know, one, Y're like, go ahead that, No, I agree.
I mean when I think, when I think, of course,
so I think, I come. I mean people that you
got people that are really really good at what they do.
You got certain people that are great. He was an icon.
You're not watching game they for the analytics anymore. You're
not watching to see who's playing. You watch the course.
So say give me that thing. I mean, he made it.
And I think sometimes when you when you say what

(18:46):
is going to be my legacy in sport? Sometimes it's
gonna be as a player. Sometimes it's gonna be as
a legacy a player like like you know, like you marvelus.
Sometimes it's gonna be as a coach. Sometimes it's gonna
be a moment and sometimes you get to say, man,
I want to be like Courso. Now, I don't think
you're gonna I don't think nobody could do it like
he did it because the way he did it was unscripted.
It's authentic the way he did it. But college game,

(19:08):
they became college game they because of that. And sometimes, look,
you used to watch Monday night football. John Matt made
you want to watch football the way he broke the
game down right, He's not talking to people who know football,
he's talking to people who don't. Right, So for me,
what Corso did He made it fun, you know, to
be a fan of college football. So he is gonna

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be messed like, you know, it's crazy. Jimmy Johnson is retired.
He retired this year. He's like almost in his eighties.
Course over the time, he's gonna be ninety. Like, if
it's up to us, he'll never retire. He's gonna be
ninety years old. But I give a lot of credit
to Kirk Herbstreet to for Kirk Hurstreet Saysten, Man, I'm
gonna be humbling enough to say, look, man, I'm gonna

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do whatever this guy needs me to do.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
It ain't gonna ain't gonna make it about me. I'm
gonna make it about him.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I'm gonna do all I can to keep him sitting
next to me as long as I possibly can. He
is gonna be missed. Man.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
Corso was.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Courso was free, That's what he was. He said what
he wanted, how he wanted, when he wanted. But he
was fun to watch. And I think Corso to me
saying something. He does something to me. He does something
that my grandfather always say. He said he would always
say when it come to communication, he said, he said,
don't stop. He said, listen, you gotta stop talking. Before
they stopped listening. And that's what Courso did. Listen, you

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don't listen to him. No matter what it was, how
it was, and I mean, Marve, I mean, uh, we
didn't get you know, I mean, you know he was
good for y'all. He wasn't good for my gators. Man.
He used to pick us. It didn't go well, you
know what I'm saying. But you know, it's crazy to
think that. And the greatest thing I think Corso did

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he got to decide when he wanted to leave. They
didn't tell me how to go.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
He said that.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Man, Okay, I think that's the greatest thing with sports
when you tell them a man I want to walk away.
And if he passed his prime, I don't think so,
because it can't nobody to beat him but him. But yeah,
he is gonna be missed. And uh, Corso is a
one of one man. He's a one of a kind,
and it's gonna be it's gonna be different watching him,
you know. I mean, as a person that went to Florida,

(21:10):
I remember when Bobby Boden did his last game and
did his last press conference, that stuff. I mean, you
know what I'm saying, because we we we forget how
iconic some of these coaches and players and personalities also,
and man, whoever got to sit in that courso see
when he leaves, good luck with da because uh, that's
gonna be a hard act to follow if it can't
be followed at all.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah. So one other thing there, I was gonna ask
you about the Herb Street father son Michigan, Ohio State.
We were thought that I heard.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Let me tell you, let me tell you something that's
a that's a that's a different kind of love right
that because because it don't supposed to matter, but it
matters that like like I can, I can, I guarantee you.
Kirk's son told his daddy last like daddy, listen, and
he said, is it gonna be Michigan for real?

Speaker 6 (21:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Like and and it's one of those think you go
anybody but Michigan, Penn State you want And guess what,
Michigan did it on purpose. Now I'm telling these coaches
and and they got gems now and recruiters they know
what it is.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
And my son is sixteen.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
I'm like you, Marvi, but I want my son to
go wherever you want to go. He ain't gone to Georgia. No, no, listen, listen.
I'm telling y'all listen, he's not. Emmitt smith Son I
think at one point was gonna go to Georgia and
he ended up not going to Georgia.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
I think he ended up going to like Standford somebody that.
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Emmy smith went to the University of Georgia and he
put on a Georgia jersey and I said, you ain't
have to do that, Like, you don't gotta do that.
I look, my son is gonna get recruited. He's gonna go.
We're gonna go if I got If I go on
this visit with him to Georgia and Nega Kirby smart
hey being put on this George absolutely not when my son,

(23:02):
If my son goes to Georgia. Yes, I will have
to wear that hook, that red and black. I got
to wear it. I got to wear it. Make me sick.
But our car will not work on campus. I ain't
buying nothing because of my car ain't gonna work. So
it ain't work. Now, I just I'm like you more.
But it's like this. I don't listen, I don't care.
But you know we can of course, you know, you

(23:24):
know whatever he played, you know what I'm saying. So
I give Kirk heurrfeet a lot of credit. Though the
only reason why Kirk can deal with it is because
Michigan won and had a championship and Ohio State won
this year. If Michigan would have won back to back,
her freak would have took some he would have took
a leave of absence. I can't do it, and I
wouldn't be mad at him. I wouldn't have no it's
it's it's it's just I remember back in the day

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they had a commercial when Ohio this guy from Ohio
State and his wife was from Michigan. They was kissing
and they said because of because only because of college rivalry.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
This is why this only because of college rivalry. You
just certain stuff you just don't do.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Man. You know what I'm saying. You don't do You
don't Scott and I'm telling you listen, s c.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
U C l A.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Come on, man, we don't do that. You know how
people got that. They got the license plate that say
a house divided, not this house, not this family.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
I'm telling you right now.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Uh No, and I am me and my son got
the same name being true with the with the touchdown
for Georgia. Come on, we can't come. There's too many
colleges out there. I love you, BJ, but if he
come from me, which he did, he's gonna do it
because I.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Will make up so much stuff about Georgia. I'll start
making up stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Like I'm telling you listen, I'm gonna tell you what
I'm gonna do. If my son trying to go to Georgia,
I'm gonna call a Dallas Cowboy fan because I need
some excuses. So I'm gonna call them and he's gonna
give me like thirty of them. Like being telling this
because nobody makes some more excuses than a Dallas Cowboys
and nobody it ain't physically possible. And if you are

(24:58):
a Dallas Cowboy fan, you know what I'm tell them, like
mighty say, hey man, you know what Dallas Cowboy fans say.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
No matter what he is, wait till next year.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
So I got to ask you a question. First of all,
I want to say one thing about Corso. He did
an award National Sports Media Association. I wasn't able to
get up there that year because I've been dealing with
a lot of medical issues in the last few years.
I wouldn't able to make the trip to North Carolina.
He's a guy would have certainly have loved to him met.
Thankfully he's in Orlando. Maybe our pass across somewhere in
a long game. But more power to him, like you say,

(25:27):
going on his own terms that so many announcers can't
do that, and he was able to do that. But
it would have been nice to meet him. But my
medical issues just didn't allow me to get up that
particular year. But I'm glad we brought it up. You know,
when we talk about him and then we talk about
legendary people like her, say now we need to get
to the UFL. Theres a lot of people out there

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have been waiting. But we're gonna talk about a different
type of coaching carousel, and I'm gonna list a bunch
of them. I don't let everybody on the crew that
can come out on all of them, we're the ones
that stand out. I'll leave it to you, guys and gal.
First of all. Wade Phillips actually stepped down as San
Antonio Bromise head coach due to health issues, and offensive
coordinator Peyton Party took over as the interim coach. I'm

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gonna list them first, Okay, So I get to the
Malden Retchie Barlow the DC Defenders preseason takes over for
Tennessee State. He got the head coaching job there. Shannon
Harris is named the interim coach for the DC Defenders.
They opened the season by defeating a three time champion
Get this, Birmingham Stallions, and then they started three and

(26:35):
oero in the league. I'll bring out the records up
to the meeting later on ken wizen Hunt. It's uncertainly
all season in Memphis, that's been a train wreck to
be again with it, but Ken wiz'd Hunt, I don't
think I'll ever get another head coaching job anyway. This
didn't help the resume. A. J. Smith quits as Brahma's
offensive coordinator do to creative differences. Greg Williams also leaves

(26:59):
the defenders to go the Tennessee State and the team
was under was undefeated despite losing its head coach and
the defensive coordinator. And here's the one that's interesting the most.
Dwayne rock Johnson says, it's very unfortunate timing for the league,
but not anyone's fault at the UFL. So if that

(27:19):
said a giving a lot of coaches, Ben, We're gonna
start off with you, what are your thoughts about the
coaching carousel in the United Football League.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
I mean, I'll start with I'll start with Wade Phillips.
I mean, obviously he's coached a long time. And whenever health,
whenever your health is taking a turn, for the words,
you got to look out for self. I mean, I
know how rigorous being a head coach is in any
league x FL, UFL it's really really hard on so
I take I give him a lot of respect him
for putting his health you know.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
Oh, but you know, over coaching.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
When it comes to Reggie Barlow, I think Tennessee State
is a dream come true. I think, if I'm not mistaken,
he went to Alabama State in college so to be
able to coach, you know at the HBCU like Tennessee State.
You know, shout out to uh, you know, uh Eddie
George who'd been a great job at Tennessee State. I'm
happy for him. Ken Wisdom Hunt, to me, it's a
head scratch for this reason. Obviously, Ken Wizom Hunt was

(28:09):
a guy that got a chance to be a head
coach in the NAG the Football League a long time
and uh, you know, going through things right now because
because no matter what, everybody's auditioning to hopefully get an
opportunity to go, you know, back to to get back
to the NFL. And you need a big name like
Ken Winson, Ken Wizon Hunt and Way Phillips are the
big names in the UFL that you need. A name

(28:30):
like that is gonna make people buy ticket's gonna make people,
you know, tune in, subscribe, you know, uh to those saying,
but I think thing about it is, I think the
Rockets in a very very precarious situation because it's all
happening at once. It's one thing to have a coach leave,
or a coach get fired, or a coach get a
better opportunity. To have so many of your coaches, it's
it's because because people are gonna ask what's up with

(28:53):
the league now?

Speaker 5 (28:54):
It's one thing if I had a coach head coach there.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
In case, because I mean, all you have is sports
is perception, right, and the perception if you lose there.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
You don't want to know the reality of the situation.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
But to have this many coaches right now, when the
headlines doesn't do doesn't do a lot of uh, doesn't
do a lot of good for the league. I think
that I hope that the rock and you know, those
players deserve better cause, let's face it, to be able
to play any level of pro semi pro as a
blessing because it's extremely hard to do both. I say,

(29:24):
what happens to the players because they don't have a
big enough name player right now individually to get people
to tune in. So right now, it is because it's
a collection of the coaches, players, schemes, teams, so forth.
But to have so many headlines about these coaches not
a good thing. But I'm wish you the best for
everybody involved. I'm looking forward to seeing what Richie Barlow
does do at the Tennessee Stateium.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
I will be monitoring what happened with Wave Phillips health.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
And like I said, Ken Wizom Hunt was the last
head coach in the National Football League to offer me
an NFL contract, so I'm always in the ID. I
told him no, but I did appreciate him asking me.
I mean, King Widow Hunt is the only reason why
I got to do the three things I ever wanted
to do in football, and that would be me the
first guy drafted to the team I went to, first

(30:09):
guy drafted from the team I came from, and walk
away on my own terms. Because of King WIZD Hunt,
I was able to do my that was my leak course,
so moment I was able to walk away on my
own terms knowing that I could still play.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
And to this day, if you mentioned my name, King the.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Window Hunter, you know he gonna be like, oh, this guy,
because he offered me a scholar. I mean he offered
me a you know contract, I told him no, and
I got a free flight to California.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
And uh, he thought that I was going.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
There to see the Raiders and I was going to
you know, see my see my girlfriend at the time.
So I got a free flight I did. I did
a California come to the Marizon the car. So appreciate
you can appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Break well and keep in mind Shanon Harris has done
a really good job as well. I mean, I'll get
to the records later. And also we can talk about
Greg Williams going to be with Parlough, So this is
an opportunity for Greg Williams at the college level. So
I just go all the way. Are on great commentary
of their band that's hurt over to Marvin, what are
your thoughts about what you have and also talk about

(31:05):
the nephew that you have playing as well.

Speaker 8 (31:08):
Yeah, so my my niece's husband, Zach Banner, played at
USC and he plays for the Houston team. So we
watch him when he's on when we can some boardsack
one hundred percent. But you know, in regards to the UFL,
you know, and just genuinely speaking about the coaching carousel

(31:28):
and stuff. You know, it's good for the coaches, like
it's good for the players, you know, like Ben said earlier,
you know, for the players, these are guys who are
trying to get to the NFL, trying to get back
to the NFL. Most of these rosters are NFL players,
are guys who've been in the NFL. Cancil Lease, you
know what I mean. And I think as a whole
with all these Spring leaders seeing the level of play
increased to a degree, But.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
It's good for the coaches as well.

Speaker 8 (31:49):
You know, the Wizard Hunts and the Greg Williams, guys
who've been in the NFL aren't there. There are only
so many jobs, you know, and you know you're trying
to be reborn. You're trying to deal with these younger
players and trying to get a bib better feel for
this newer coacher who's coming in you know, post n
I L and stuff like that. So, you know, I
think it's generally speaking, I think you're gonna see a

(32:09):
lot of guys coming and going. I think it provides
opportunities for young and up and coming coaches. I think
it provides opportunities for veteran coaches who just love the
game like that and are still trying to prove they
can connect with players and move on. So, you know,
I'm looking forward to watching this league evolve and grow
and and I think that these coaches coming and going

(32:30):
is inevitable, but to a degree it's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I think.

Speaker 7 (32:34):
So, Okank Steven, I mean, I think Marvin ben Ben
all kind of hit it. Like listen, we talk about
the coaching carousel here in the in the National Football
League on a consistent basis to turnover raid this that,
and it's good for everyone. It's it's good for the league.
It's it's good, it's good for the players. It's it's

(32:55):
good for the coaches. You know, you get your opportunity
to to say, you know that you know, this is
this is who I am, this is what I stand for,
this is this is this is what I run, this is.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
What I do.

Speaker 7 (33:05):
And you know, you either get get your your platform
to to push yourself back up to the bigger leagues
or you you make your stamp as as one of
the these guys that that that has had their opportunities
there regardless of we're talking you know, player or coach. So,
uh yeah, the names I think are relevant. It's just

(33:27):
it's just good for publicity stuff where it comes to
marketing and pushing these these teams that get you know,
Away Phillips, a Ken Wizdon Hunt and things of that nature.
It's a it's it's just something that people can attach,
you know, memory to you know, that guy was in
the league, this guy was in the league.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Whatever.

Speaker 7 (33:44):
It's a it's something you know, I know the Rocks
invested a lot into right now, and for his sake,
I hope it's something that pains out so it doesn't
it doesn't falter like Mitch mcmain's XFL or anything like that.
But it's a uh, you know, I think it's a
this is a little bit more of a grainder thing.

(34:05):
It's not not a gimmicky like like it was when
it came to that. But I'm interested to see how
everything plays out when everything is on the field.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
This season. Well, keep in mind, let me mention four
other coaches that are doing well. You have Mike Nolan
is doing a wonderful job for the Michigan Panthers. We
also have Skip Holds, who's won all the championships in
spring football. Then and you have Bob Stoops, who's coaching
professional football, and the offensive coordinator for wood Stoops is

(34:35):
the former line by the name of Chuck Long. And
it's really interesting. And a little later in the show
we're going to talk about some of the rule changes,
so I just won't put those names out there as well.
We don't have to come on every little coaching thing
that there is, but these are worth bringing. Bob Stoops
has got tired of college football, part time coaching, gig
get an opportunity to coach in the broad Skip holds
pretty good college career, struggle at US at my alma mater,

(34:58):
but then do bad. Now he's on a spot coaching
the pros, and I love watching him called plays, which
is unbelievable. We'll get to that. And Chuck Long, to me,
is an excellent offense of mine. So on top of
the ones I mentioned, these four coaches are worth mentioning
as well. George Eikorn, anything you want to say briefly
on this, whether it's a Detroit connection, you know, yeah,

(35:20):
I know you're looking to keep her comments limited, but yeah,
I know.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
The sentiments here. I mean, let's face it, we know
that this is a stepping stone, or shall I even
say this, it's the last the last call for some
of the older coaches. They know they're not going to
make as much money. Obviously, the money is to be
made in the NFL and the super programs in college.

(35:45):
So you're looking at a situation where unfortunately, just as
in the case of a lot of the players, these
are coaches that have been around the corner more than once.
That being said, I'm not degrading them, no way. I
don't mean it that way as a negative. It's just
a situation where you're in a league that's trying to
establish itself, it's trying to grow even more, and you've

(36:08):
got a situation where there's openings. So of course you're
going to take a chance to uh, you know, to
move on in your career. But that being said, like
you know, the college ranks and the NFL is going
to have the cream of the crop. Let's just I'll
just leave my comments at that.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's fair. That's good, George, not quantity sometimes in your case,
quality as well. I mean, you know you and I
have been at this a long long time. Then we
know we've been in like Marvin and Ben and even
Christy Jones are on the field. You and I had
to go to the locker rooms. That we understand both.
That's the coin. Okay, Katie, you can do this and

(36:44):
you have a station break following.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
So one point that we have to really put out
there is the United Football League is still currently losing money.
It's not making money. It's not self sustain Viewership on
television has increased, but tickets sales and many of the
cities have decreased. And while the UFL is backed by Fox,

(37:08):
which helps with the media coverage and digital presence, it's
aimed for long term sustainability. To give you just a
rough estimate about coaches, the highest paid football coach is
Kirby Smart, head coach of the Georgia Bulldogs. He earns
thirteen point two eight to million per year. He signed

(37:32):
a tenure to one hundred and thirty million dollar contract
in twenty twenty four. As on the flip side UFL coaches,
the average hourly pay for a UFL coach in California
right now is nineteen dollars and forty four cents an
hour they see hot. The highest salaries are thirty dollars

(37:54):
and thirteen cents and the lowest are ten dollars and
sixty eight cents. So that gives you just an idea.
They have to love the game to still want to
coach and be coaching and making that kind of money.
You love the game, you do not want to give

(38:16):
up coaching at that point because you're coaching in a
league that's not making money. You're not making a ton
of money. It's not a long season either. I mean,
is it good for the coaches? I love it, and
I love the fact that you still have some experienced
coaches in there that can really because let's face it,

(38:36):
the UFL is more of a developmental league than the NFL.
You're really trying to develop players. Maybe they have a
shot to get to the NFL. You don't know, But
if you don't try, how would you know. So I
like it. We've watched it numerous on TV. I've never
seen one game in person. But for those of us

(38:58):
that like football and you want something to do in
March and you want to be watching new games and
not reruns of repeat games, it's a cool product. And
the thing I also like about watching it For any
of you that have never watched it, on TV is
some of the coaches get mic some of the you know,
they talk more during the game and describe more some

(39:22):
of the plays that are going to be played. And
I love that when they're reviewing plays, they review it
and talk about it right there on the broadcast.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah, we'll get to that in a little bit. Candy,
thanks for throwing it out there, because everybody's going to
have an opportunity to talk about those. Now we can
send you to your station break, which everybody, Marvin's going
to see it for the first time. Ben loves when
you do these station breaks. It doesn't event and of
course Steven does as well. So go ahead, Candy, you
have a station break.

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Speaker 1 (41:24):
Back to you, Scott, Well done, Katie. Well we were
on the coaches saying We'll just throw this out there.
Could the UFELL and John Gruden use the former Raiders coach?
Think about it. That's really far fetch, isn't it. But
think about the UFL and John Gruden to bring Can
you see John Gruen as a coach in the United

(41:46):
Football League, Marvin, I'm leaving nothing.

Speaker 8 (41:48):
Now, John Greene, he's he back in the NFL. To
be honest with you, I think he needs he back
in the NFL coaching again. So now I don't want
to see men in the UFL. That's that's not you know.
He's he's and I think he's a good coach. I
think he's I think he's good for the players league,
and I think it's time to get him back on
the sideline.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
That's my take.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I think you're right, because let's think about it. He
got all these nineteens. He could definitely spark the interest
in the franchise. But I they couldn't pay him enough
money to go there. Marvin, You're so honest, ridiculous. But
I'm with a great minds thinking like m time. Okay,
because I know you all right, Ben, when you're talks
about Gruden maybe in the United.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I think I think he's too big for the league,
and I think it's he's gonna have to carrey too
much of it. I mean, you know, his sound bites,
his micd up so legendary you could just go back
and watch. But I think the thing about I think
the thing about a guy like John Gruden is, I mean,
you got to have a struggle enough, you know, front officer,
to being able to deal with the criticism that's gonna
come if he does get in the league. I don't.

(42:51):
I don't think they got that now the NFL. I
do agree with Marbin. I think he's built to be
on the NFL sideline regardless of wins losses. He's built
to do because every coach wants, you know, guy like
John GOREU want to see can I can I survive
in today's NFL with today's caliber player compared to the
ones I used to have? But do I think do
I think? Do I think that the UFL could get it?

(43:13):
They would try to get him. Yes, do I think
he's built for the UFL. No, because no one loves
football more than him. He's watching film right now. I
don't know why he's watching field right now, but he's
watching film right now. And there are people that like
the game. There are people that love the game. There
are people that are in love with it, crazy about it.
John Gruden is a mixture of in love with it.

(43:34):
So I do agree he should be on the NFL
side like UFL nah man, because like I said, they
gonna be, they don't. They ain't gonna pay him enough
for what they're gonna ask him to do. So I
don't I don't see that. I don't see that being
a good match.

Speaker 7 (43:47):
Well, I think both Ben and Marne also nailed this
one on the on the head as well. I mean, one,
you you already spoke on it is what the pay
scale is over there. They ain't hitting that, they ain't
getting close to that. They're not They're not even the
same zip code ballpark. However, however you want to say that,

(44:08):
uh the the the other you know, the other side,
and you know, uh, you know, as as we were
already talking about, like he he's too big for him one,
I mean, what isn't Barstools Sports already paying him right
now to to basically do exactly what Ben's sitting there saying,
just go over tape. Uh you know, just just give

(44:29):
off his his unfiltered opinion on things. So, uh, I
don't know if he's going to be on an NFL
sideline anytime soon, but one, uh payscale is going to
be an issue. You're not gonna be able to have
that to. His personality is going to be bigger than
anyone that that's in the league playing on the field,
in the in the skybox. The owners like he's he's

(44:52):
a bigger personality than then they could ever possibly potentially
bring in. So you're gonna have a problem with that
as well.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Well.

Speaker 7 (45:00):
No one's gonna be able to deal with John. I
think it's a it's a nice topic to kind of discuss,
but in reality terms, no way, no way it happened.
It doesn't happen in any universe or going ever going
comic book wise, it's not gonna happen anywhere in the multiverse.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
If not happening, what do you think, George, I don't see.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
Yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen either. John's uh
up in this uh what do you call stratosphere over here?
You know, he's very talented. I know he's had some
uh itchings to go back to coaching, but yeah, I
really think that, uh, that that would be like I
hate to use the word beneath him, but you know

(45:45):
sort of what you guys were saying, Uh, you know,
and and he still has he still has many good
years I think left in him if he wants to
get back as a head coach or or continue broadcasting whatever,
we'll see what happened. But no, he would I don't
think he'd be willing to go to the UFL.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
All Right, we'll give Candy the last word on You
got a couple of comments from j D. Wyatt worth
posting it, then you have a final word. Agree.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
J D says, salute ladies and gentlemen. The UFL wants
to be the development league for the NFL, but as
long as college ball is around, it will never happen.
The UFL would have to find a way to circumvent
the three year rule from that is three years being

(46:33):
removed from We're circum met the NFL rule about players
being three years removed from high school.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
A good point, JD. All Right, Candy got last word
on the topic.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Do I think John Gruden belongs back in the NFL? Yes?
Do I think he would ever go to the UFL.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I do not.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
As much as he's done for the NFL and as
much as he's developed quarterbacks and everything like that, I
don't see him going to the UFL. But then again,
you never say never, right, and you never say never,
and you never say always because it just could happen.
I just don't see it. But back in the NFL,

(47:24):
you never know. Maybe someday.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Okay, fair enough, all right, let's talk about could we
see these players in the NFL. I'm gonna take a
bunch of players in the undrafted free agents if they
don't pan out in training camp, I'm gonna mention a
list of names. So let's get ready. I'm gonna go
to Marvin first, THEO Weis, junior Missouri wide receiver. What
do you think about now?

Speaker 8 (47:46):
I don't know a lot about field, to be honest
with you, Yeah, yeah, I can't even speak on that
as a as a guy who was an undrafted free
agent who came from the by him, I wish nothing
but the best. You know, uh, And I know what
it's like because as a free agent, regardless of your ability,

(48:08):
if you weren't drafted, that speaks values. I says something.
You know what I mean, in my evaluation, you miss
people in that process. You definitely miss players. And there
are players who again, I went from undrafted to playing
half the game, you know, in all the games that
I was in every game, soil up.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Okay, I'll just mentioned a bunch of names, fair enough.
I respect your opinion. But remember one thing, Candy, and
I saw a good one name by the name of
Xavier or Estrepo, just so you know. And I'd say
he's pretty good, and I say he's really good because
it was Cam Moore. Yeah, but it okay.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
K J.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Jefferson, you seef quarterback. What do you know about him?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Did you see F quarterback?

Speaker 3 (48:53):
You said?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah, k J. Jefferson, you see F quarterback again, we're
about it. Yeah, that's okay, No big tales. You don't
know about him, No big dale. I'm just putting names
out there. Maybe the other panelst might know a little
bit more about him. Nick Nash, San Jose state wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I think we played Sannel. No, we didn't. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Nick Nash Okay, Raheem Sanders, South Carolina running back another
USC though.

Speaker 8 (49:22):
No, I think I believe they had a running back
to be honest with you. But he'd again it is
not in those situations where he stuck out to me
that that doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Raheen.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Good luck.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Okay, Brady Cook, Missouri quarterback.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I've seen him play. I've seen him play again, he's
an undrafted quarterback.

Speaker 8 (49:46):
Yeah, that's a tough spot, man, I mean, that's it's
a tough spot.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
It is so forgot like that.

Speaker 8 (49:54):
You go to training camp and you just try to
get the reps you can, you know, whether it's in
drills or anything else, and you take that, you take
that experience and you let it snowball to the next
experience you get.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
But again, good luck to him.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
But you know why I'm asking you these questions, Marvin,
tell me because as much as you may or may
not know, they could very well end up in the
United Football League getting reps because of that.

Speaker 8 (50:19):
Ring Absolutely absolutely yeah, And listen, I was a guy
who I was a NFL europe guy. So I'm a
guy who if I was playing, Yeah, I would absolutely
have gone to the UFL because it provides those opportunities,
you know. So yeah, I wish these guys the very best.
I've been there and they can do it because I
did it.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
You never heard of the guy by the name of
Michael Keller, not off hand, Scott, Yeah, No, that's okay.
He used to be with the old Michigan Panthers. He's
been on our shows many years ago. Given a centfl Okay, great,
but I'll go back to Michigan team. Donovan Edwards Michigan
running back.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Very good player, very good player. We played against him
at usc.

Speaker 8 (50:59):
For the last two years and uh Michigan and he's
a special player without question, speed, balance, runs with authority.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I like don he was.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
He's a very okay Isaiah Bond, Texas wide receiver. Speed guy, right, yeah, exactly,
speed guy.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Listen.

Speaker 8 (51:21):
I thought they had a decent offense and I've seen
him play. Listen in the NFL in the game where
they play with so much space now everybody's playing spread.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
If you can, if.

Speaker 8 (51:31):
You're a speed guy like the guy that got a case,
that rookie from that last year, listen, that's everything, so
more party to you.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
With that kind of speed, he can probably make a roster.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Okay, the last of the undrafted free agents that are
going to go over a couple of Canadian Football League
players after we run around the panel, dj Youglai Florida State.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
You know, I liked I liked the man dj U.

Speaker 8 (51:56):
I rooted for him coming out of California when he
was at Clemson and sawmon Oregon State, and you know,
he's the guy who I think showed your flashes and
he was so big, and you know, with him, it
was like you thought he was just potential. At some
point it's gonna catch on and click and he's just
gonna take off and be the next Cam Newton or
something like that. I just don't think that he looked

(52:18):
up to the potential. And I think he's a talented kid.
You get listen to the UFL or CFL something like that.
Maybe good for a guy like that. You know, I
think I think he's gonna have a tough time as
an NFL rookie if he's in a training camp, But
I wish him the best.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I do.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Well done by the way, Marvin as was when when
I when you talk about undrafted free agents, they're not easy.
I remember one of my favorites of all time was
Brandon Paul. I ended up doing a story because he
was out of here phil Beach High School. I ended
up making the Lions and Alix super Bowl ring with
the Rams. Great job, Marvin, call you. This is not

(52:59):
an easy he lifts. It really isn't. But again, the
biggest thing I tell everybody watching the show is that's
why this list isn't easy, because we figure they could
potentially wind up you're back in the United Football League
and the easiest way to be able to find him
is undrafted free agents aka hidden JEMs. Well done, Marvin.
All right, man, you know I mean to read the

(53:22):
players again. Yeah, okay, no problem. Bil Weeks Junior.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
I mean, I mean I saw him a college a
little bit. I know he went the Dolphins right now.
You know, I think the thing about him is, I
mean what I think like, you know, six two six three,
two hundred pounds, he got to go out there and
make it. You know, you know they gonna throw the
ball around that Mike McDaniel offense. I look at it
like this, if I can go to the UFL, you know,
or potentially be in the UFL, and I know what
it's like to grind again, the NFL gonna be like, dude,

(53:53):
this is what y'all doing. Yeah, man, ain no NFL
and walking the park. But it's not gonna be the
same thing. Remember Cam new went from he went from
Florida to Juco to Oh you say, how much different
of a player he was? Or sometimes you know, you
know when I think I'm a better player than I
than I'm actually getting.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Uh, you know, I looked at it. Sometimes that's my motivation.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
But I do like I do like TV weeds when
I think he got a shot with he's I mean,
why was? I mean, Miami an't got the bigger receiver.
Jay Lonwado or Tyreek Hill is not the biggest people
you ever seen. They fast, they quick, but it's something
about those tall guys with them long arms to catch ratings.
I think the young man got a shot to make
some noise down there in South Beach. kJ Jefferson, man,

(54:35):
I saw I saw kJ Jefferson when he was at Arkansas.
I saw kJ Jefferson when he went down there to UCF,
big strong quarterback. He Unfortunately, kJ he has to play
how he looks. You got the limit of the states.
The same thing that people you say about cam Warder
and said, listen, man, you got to live with his
lim sex. kJ Jefferson he makes too many and he
ain't in the same class as the cam Ward big Gutto.

(54:56):
And like I said, I mean he made a lot
of remove to go from then CC to UC. You
know Gus Marazon better. You know, he bet the house
on this young man. Now, Gus ma mamzon Uh is
the office Cornay of Florida State. So he's no longer
there anymore. But I do like, hey, Jay, what about
Nick Nash I mean, listen, Nick nash right now got
a shot to make my Falcons team. You know why

(55:18):
the Kirk cousin ain't showing up. He ain't showing up
the train the camp or OTA's right now. And I
think that I think a guy like Nick Nash is
you know, he has a niche, you know, for himself.
He just got to go out there and put his
head down. Michael Paton Jr. Is gonna be the guy
in Atlanta. But the NFL wants to get younger and cheaper,
and Nick nashy is young. I mean, he got a

(55:38):
big arm. But he's gonna have some guys and throw
two guys like Kyle Pis and Drake London and so
on and so forth.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
But we'll see what he can do when he get
when you get the flower.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Branch and raheem Sanders, raheem Sanders.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
I mean what position was him at?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Running back? South Carolina?

Speaker 5 (55:57):
Oh man, I know that name sounded for me.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
I mean I didn't get a chance to see a
lot of South Carolina last year because I know they
got a big time quarterback. But South Carolina runs the rock.
Uh they're one of their best running backs in uh
in school history. They're running back coach, I think right now,
or a player personnel guy, listen, SEC running backs. You
you want to try to have one all your roster,
whether whether they are drafted free agents or they led

(56:19):
the league in rushes. So you get a you get
a you get let me say, you get a U
s C. Not an s C. He's a U s
C running back, not an s C running back. USC
running backs usually get drafted you know s C running backs.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I mean, I'm sorry, USC running backs go on drafted
s C running backs win heights. I want to I
want to make sure I put that out there. That's
another show for another day. But I gets.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
We got five.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Five Yeah, I don't advertising that one make a name
for himself, Andy Marvin just to let you know, by
the way, many many years ago, I did interview o
Ja Simpson there at the rat That's cool. Wait till
I get you on the Motor City Mayor Mouth. So,
mister Powell, we're gonna have a blast on this show.

Speaker 8 (57:08):
I met I met Juice before, and it was it
was a very positive experience. I look forward to that.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Mine was too. Yeah. I can't wait till when I
get to the Little City Mayor Mouth show. Marvin Powell
was headed there, and Troopers head of there, Christine Jones
is headed there. All of like, all my teammates are
headed there. Okay, let's go to Brady Cook. Then you're
on a great role.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
That's quarterback, right he with the Jets.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean because a lot of
interests did get drafted. I think I think. I think
because he's going to a Jests, Aaron Glenn is gonna
give him a fair shit. You know that Jesse Fields
is going to be the starter, but that second to
third quarterback spot it's gonna be wide open. I think
Aaron Glenn, who just came from a place like Detroit,
is gonna give a guy like Brady Cook a chance
to go out there and see if.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
The young man got some juice to him.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Donovan Edwards and.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
I agree, man, I mean if you unless you was
under the rock. Them them, them Michigan.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
I know everybody wanted to talk about them, that two
headed monster at Ohio State with their two runner backs.
Michigan running game was seriously last you know, two or
three years. It's it's a it's amazing that a guy
like that goes undrafted. But he's also with the Jets, right,
and I know the Jets got a big time running,
but the starters are locked in when you start talking
about the Jets.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
But finding a way on special teams down.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Evan, that what I mean. You play for a Michigan team.
He I know he got coached by Harball like a
couple of years. So he's a hard nosed kid. I
think he go out there and make the team on
special team, maybe even find some reps on third down.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Bond Texas white out.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
The fact that Isaiah Bond didn't get drafted. I mean,
I really want to know why. I mean, Texas and no, listen,
the kid is justus fast. Is Matt Golden, He just
as Fast asked him. He just went undrafted. I don't
and I'm not in these I'm not a you know,
I'm not a I'm not an analyst like that. I'm
not a scout. But you can't coach speed, and the
young man has plenty of it. Finding with Felici final

(59:01):
find a way to get out down special has a
gun to find a way that you know, uh, to
be that to be that fourth or fifth wide receiver.
Them them top them, top spots are taking up. I
think a kid from a kid that played the Texas
that can run.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
Somebody find a way to get that man the NFL
NFL spot.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
DJI is the last one.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Dj DJ you I I cannot pronounce his young dju
al la dj DJ.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Yeah. I was thinking that too. I'm trying my best voice.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
I think I think where heard dj U is not
the first team he played in that season. I mean
a CC, it was the second one. It wasn't clet
It was Florida State. When you state and then and
Mike nor Van and everybody betting on you or y'all
start out overseas and it just it just doesn't go well.
Six five, two fifty. He looks the part from once

(59:51):
again California kid coming to the coming to the East
coast or coming to the south, and Clemson coming right
behind what you coming right behind Trevor Lawrence, and it
just didn't go well. I mean maybe I think I
think he's I think you right now, I think he's
with the Chargers. You know, a guy like Justin Herbert,
different bill, but you know, similar in height. Maybe he

(01:00:13):
goes out there man, being back in being back in
his home state of California. Maybe you know new you know,
a familiar place. He can go out there and probably
beat it. He's not gonna be when you're a five
star quarterback going to Clempston and you don't win natural championships,
you know, coming behind the Sean Watson and Trevor Lawrence,
people gonna thank you a bus. I just think that
he came behind two legendary quarterbacks. Hopefully a place like

(01:00:33):
the Chargers. Hartball gonna coach him now. Harball is going
to coach him hard. And I'm not saying to get
coach hard at Oregon State Clempston of Florida State. But
I'm rooting for dj U. You know, I mean, only
in a place like college football, you got to know
names like you you u gulele and to attack of
Aola and all these type of crazy names. But I'm

(01:00:54):
I'm always rooting for the players, man, I mean, regardless
of what didn't happen NFL as the fresh start, rooting
for that young man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Okay, George, anything you want to say about any of these.

Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
Or well, yeah, I just contributed my two cents about
Donovan Edwards. You know, he might have been as explosive
as some people wanted at Michigan. You know, I'm looking
at his stats and obviously the last couple of years,
including the championship year of twenty twenty three and then
of course last year twenty twenty four. But I like

(01:01:25):
exactly what you said, Ben, you know, when you got
a new coach there and that guy that they took
away from the Lions as we know at the New
York Jets. I mean, he has a future.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Ahead of him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Donovan.

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
Just work hard, work your butt off, keep your nose clean.
As they say, he was a good kid at Michigan.
And again, I know the stats weren't as as as
big as some of the fans wanted. He's still had
four hundred and twenty two rushing attempts in and fifty
one yards in his career, which also included nineteen touchdowns

(01:02:03):
and eighty six catches as a receiver and another four
touchdowns as a receiver at Michigan. He had a decent,
very good career. I wouldn't say as good as he
wanted in Michigan. But I think the Jets bring them
along slowly. Like you said, Ben, He's probably not gonna
start or anything like that of course with them. But

(01:02:24):
you know, Aaron Glenn's got some work to do with
the Jets. As we know, it is a huge, huge
cask ahead of him. But I'm looking forward to him.
And the other one that you mentioned, Scott has cooked
the quarterback you know again, a guy who who had
you know, a couple of decent years at the Helmet Miszoo,
but certainly need some work done as well. He's another

(01:02:47):
one that I will keep my eye on. I'm just
gonna live in my thoughts and comments Scott to those
two fellas right now, George.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
That's fine. I totally fine with that. Candy. Anything you
want to add on all these plays.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Well, Donovan Edwards, I mean I've watched some of his
games obviously at Michigan he ran. I believe he had two.
He's the only player they have over forty yards twice
in a National Championship game. So he's a hard runner.

(01:03:22):
I could totally see him going to the UFL. You know,
any of these players if they if they don't make
I know a lot of them signed with the NFL.
But if they don't make the NFL teams, there's no
shame in going to the UFL. If you love playing go,

(01:03:42):
you know, work your tail off. Let's face it, where
was Jake Bates a year ago?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
You know he didn't start in the NFL. He started
in this league. So it there's proof that some of
them do get moved up or bumped up. DJ for
Florida State. I've seen a couple of his games. He's
a big fellow. You never know. I mean, let's face it,

(01:04:12):
there are how many high schools, and from the high schools,
then they go to college, and there's how many colleges
When you think about it, in the NFL, there's only
how many teams. So all these colleges are feeding into
the NFL. You're gonna get the best of the best,
and you're gonna get some that don't want to move forwards.
So don't be discouraged. If anybody listen to the Chicks

(01:04:42):
podcast before we talked about dream big and go after
your dreams, go for it, play your hearts out and
see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I'll think you candy from all. AJ mccerrn's not a
bad quarterback either, he thought all right with the UFL.
When you agree there, Harvin and AJ McCarron himself, think
about it. There's a guy that did pretty good work
with the Saint Louis BattleHawks, came back there after where
he left Cincinnati, and there's many, many others, but Jake
Bates and AJ McCarran Marvin are two stand out in

(01:05:16):
my mind. What are your thoughts, Marron?

Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
Yeah, especially with mccaren I mean, I've always liked him
as a quarterback, to be honest with you, from his
days at Alabama, and I think, you know, he's somebody
who can use and can use this opportunity to get
back into the National Football League without question and get
on a roster. You know, I think he's an NFL quarterback.
I think he's one of the top one hundred quarterbacks

(01:05:38):
probably out there. So yeah, AJ, for sure, Bates I
don't know, but Aj, this is a good thing for him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
What about you, Ben, what are your thoughts about Bates
and McCarran.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
I mean Aj mccern I mean, you know, I agree
with Marvin.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
I think sometimes we judge, you know, a guy like
him who won three Natty He won three Natties to
the people already started thinking that, or is he gonna
reshape the quarterback position? Is it gonna be? I think
sometimes we play so much unrealistic expectations on these players.
They can't do nothing but go down when they get
to the league. And when was playing ten years of

(01:06:19):
bad career because he didn't win super Bowls? And people
how many Pro Bowls you got, how many super Bowls
you got, how many all approach you got. I've been
getting paid by the NFL for a ten seeds. That's
ten drafts that have coming gone. So I just look
at long jevity in the NFL to me is success. Yes,
you want to be able to light up the stat sheet,
right unless you Yes, you want to be able to

(01:06:40):
quote have an iconic career. But I mean Batch that
played all them years for Detroit, Chase Daniels, Not to
give Chase Daniels any real love, Steven, because you know
how I feel about Chase Dans. Chase Daniels backed up
Drew Brees all those years. Man, Charlie Batch. Charlie Batch said, look,

(01:07:01):
I'm gonna make myself, you know, an asset for that
many years. So yeah, basing company man. I'm I'm I'm
happy for those guys because I think everybody has dreams
of going to the NFL and being a star, but
then you get to the NFL and realize, Man, give
me a role, Let me embrace that role, let me
invite that role, and let me do the best at it.

(01:07:21):
And here I am. I'm in the league. Ten years later,
as the wives, Hey listen, AJ McKinnon, I hate a J.
Mccaon was known for three things, being the quarterback of Alabama,
win the National Championship, and who he married. That's mus
Burger fault, murtz Burger. I'm just mus Burger saying, guys,

(01:07:42):
you want to play quarterback at Alabama. I'm just saying,
I mean, you know, And it's not like it's not
like AJ McCann's mad. He was like, oh god, they're
showing my future wife on the camera. I'm just saying,
so you know, it's good to be AJ McCarron these days.
Jared golf of the word, those type of GN quarterbacks
data imposition.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Yeah, it was a Canther and Web I think her
name was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:10):
Yeah, you go want to play quarterback and now you
got to marry a superman, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Yeah, but you know what. They handled that pretty well though,
didn't they. Mervin you think about it? Yeah, Cancer Web,
Brent Musburg, Hey, he's my eye all. I'm not gonna
knock brat. I actually met him, but Cancer Away, Hey,
you got good chasing women. What's so bad about that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
I think you caught him.

Speaker 8 (01:08:39):
You caught a real raw human situation, you know what
I mean. I think he saw something beautiful and just
identified it for what it was. I don't think he
meant any disrespect at all, but I you know, I
didn't take it as that, and I think A J
and them the family took it and stride.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
So yeah, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
He know he can get away with that. We do that.
You are veteran of the game like that. Sometimes he'll
show here, he'll flets his muscle of it, but he's
still camper perspectful and and and professional. He didn't do
you know what I'm saying that that's that's a vetterer
move man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I've seen people do way worse what Musburger did. Like
we all know, Jared goffs good taste. That's why he
ends up marrying a supermodel, Christian Arper. But all right,
but that said, we'll talk about a couple more players. Candy, though,
is pretty interesting how you bring up the base and
then you'll leave me over to Athy McCarey. And by

(01:09:36):
the way, just everybody on this panel knows a Candy
and us hosts a Fireum show which I call the
Country Club. She does an unbelievable job. I've never seen
a woman in my life prepared for that show a
Candy does in Marvin. I'm telling you, if you ever
have a chance to watch the fire Um Show and
you really like it, she'll probably bring you on to it.
That group, I'm telling you, this is a group that

(01:09:57):
you've got to get here on a Marvin. This woman
here knows more about sports than anybody I've ever seen. Okay,
and I'll tell you what she does on that fire
up show is nothing more than out as as Dick,
My tell she's as awesome. Baby. I'm telling you, she's
unbelievable out Oh yeah, I'll tell you. She brings out

(01:10:18):
as the cast. I'm your number. I'll tell you go
out there your wildest group here. I'll tell you what
that group to me, remind me of the Raiders many
years ago. Al Davidson go out there, pick these people
off the scrap heave and then she and then they
turned out to be winners. Well, I'm not saying all
these guys are my scrap people over there. The Candy's
on an unbelievable job with that group. George has been

(01:10:39):
on that show. Right, how do you Canny Dons that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:43):
I'm a proud alumnus of you show at the country
club there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Yeah, I'm telling you, Marvin, I'm telling you, get out
with Candy and then be already loves her hat to
be gettle with. Let's do it the country club, Lextor.
She's sitting, she's sitting on that chair right now to
my mom gave us, and we call it the country
great stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
With that said, a couple more players we're going to
talk about. Then we'll talk about some rule changes and
go from there CFL Tiger Catcher leave release quarterback Talia
Tag of Valua out of Maryland, and the Winnipeg Blue
Drimmer Blue Bombers released former Michigan Woolverine quarterback Shape Patterson, who,

(01:11:25):
by the way, did play for the Michigan Panthers. You
see Marvin any of those two guys resurfacing anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
The quarterback from Maryland got cut.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah, you don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
I like this.

Speaker 8 (01:11:45):
I like that kid at Maryland. I thought he was
the real deal. I thought he was the real deal.
I'm shocked.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I hope the hope he I hope he makes the roster.
Where's he at now?

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
He's a free agent? My brother?

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Okay, all right? Uh listen. I liked him in college.

Speaker 8 (01:12:02):
The college game isn't always translate a lot of times
when you see you see the brother in the last name,
you know, you hope and you assume and you think
maybe it's another version of tour.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Obviously it's not.

Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
But I liked him in college, and I think, uh,
it wouldn't shock me at some point if he evolved
to be an NFL quarterback. And I listen, I hope
he takes advantage of the UFL and the CFL and
off the spring leagues and goes through that process as
he should.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
We'll see. We'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Now, say Patterson is the other guy. He was in
the UFL, or at that point in time, it was
the USFL. Do you see him resurfacing back in the UFL.

Speaker 9 (01:12:42):
I'm not familiar with him. I'm not from America. That
George Icorn territory. Don't worry about what I got. So
you know what that will go ahead and segue to
Icorn on this Michigan connections. Okay, Marvin, I got some
rule changes. You're gonna talk about that. You're gonna have
some fun, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
So you know his career, Okay, he went from U
of M and then was Kansas City Chiefs, and then
right to the CFL after his Chiefs career, which was
only one season or less than VC Ellions Montreal, and
then with the Panthers, and then he's moved around so
many times. I saw him in a few of the

(01:13:20):
games with the Panthers here in Detroit. I was not impressed.
I was expecting more things from him being coming from Michigan.
And I know some people call that a quarterback factory.
Not quite, of course, it isn't, but we all know
that with Harbrough's coach, you know, Shay had a lot
of reps and I thought he would play better. I
thought he'd have a better post U of M career,

(01:13:42):
but he did not. So as much as I liked
the guy personally, I think that it's going to be
difficult for him to bounce back. Like you said, Scott,
the Winnipeg Blue Bombers was his last team here in
twenty twenty five. Well, we'll see, we'll see. I mean,
there's all is a chance. I mean, he could end
up back in the UFL. I'm not sure, but he could.

(01:14:05):
And the other player that you mentioned, Yeah, and again,
like like you guys have stated it, I thought too
that there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Were going to be better things from him.

Speaker 6 (01:14:18):
You know that it's it's it's it's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
It's very tough.

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
And you guys know that have played in the league
or other leagues, you know it's extremely hard to make
it in the NFL. I wish him well, but you know,
his time, he's on a short lease as far as
his time frame goes to get back into football. But
UFL possibly maybe another year or so. We don't know,
we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Were talking about these two quarterbacks.

Speaker 7 (01:14:46):
You know, I kind of, uh, I'm gonna echo the
sentiments of baby Tool here, like I think all of
us kind of felt that, uh, it wasn't just the
namesake carrying carrying him giving him his opportunity. So uh,
it's one of those things where you know, you hope
and you pray to see a guy develop and and

(01:15:07):
and pick the tools up necessary to to uh, you know,
excel at the next level, and sometimes you have them
and you just don't get the opportunities to kind of
to kind of let it manifest itself in you know,
bad lucks, injuries, you know, you know, the bad team,
bad coach, wrong coach. I mean, there's just just so

(01:15:27):
many different things that you could say, why this, Why
why this person isn't paying out the way the way
you think? So uh hopefully he he uh he lands
somewhere and gets it, gets another opportunity. You know, same
with this other kid. He just you just got to
hope that uh, he's able to get an opportunity to
show that he's he's a better player on the field

(01:15:48):
than he's been able to show up to this point.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Man, Yeah, I think I think, I do think.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
I do think Baby Tour does get a bad rap
because I mean his brother did so you know, his
brother is doing great things, did such incredible things at Alabama,
and you know, you look at you look at a
guy like Shane Pattins who was at Michigan. Sometimes, Man,
the school you pick, it's not a gift. It's it's
not it's not it's not helping you because people are
looking at what your team is doing around you and

(01:16:17):
they're saying, Okay, is it the team or you helping
the team become those things. Look, the UFL means that
I get to continue my career professionally. I get paid
to play football. You know how many players just want
an opportunity to play football for money. I don't care
if UFL, CFL, AFL, And I think sometimes you know,

(01:16:39):
we get to think, man, well he ain't as good
as this brother. Okay, I mean you know everybody you know, uh,
Tory Holst brother, Tory Holst's brother played safety. He wasn't
as good as him. Michael Jordan kids both played basketball.
They want as good as they Dad, Yes, you're gonna
have the king Griffy and a King Griffith Junior. Sometimes
it happened that way. Yes, you're gonna have you know player,

(01:17:00):
you know like Marve Power, Marther Poweller, say junior or
or the third that happens. But unfortunately we get judged
with those type players and it ain't everybody. And I
don't think baby to a baby too a followed uh
coach Locksley. Coach Locker used to be the offensive coordinator
for Alabama. When you know when Tour was there, then

(01:17:20):
he that's how he got the head coach job in Maryland,
and Baby Tour follow him to Maryland. Problem is his
last name is still Takabola, and people expecting to see
that it just didn't happen. But I do hope those
guys put their head down to just play hard. I think,
like I said, we think all quarterbasketball look like Lamar
or Josh Allen or Joe Burrow. No, those are the

(01:17:42):
rarest of the those are the rarest of the rare.
Those are the rares players in the world. All of
those guys the opportunity. Man, it's it's ain't listen, ain't
no shame in playing in the uf AL. There are
thousands of players who would have loved to have continued
their career Plass college and they wouldn't carre which I
don't care. Pick a league, chad O, Choe Sinko went

(01:18:03):
to the CFL and the first thing he said was
a lot of the duds supposed to be in the league. Man. Yeah,
but just like Marvel saying, he was so much room
here was so many slots. So sometimes it's the numbers game,
not your game. It's the numbers game. Every kid coming
out in the draft, going first round, just ask them,
oh they got me going between like pick twenty, you
has one hundred kids, So it ain't they fault, man.

(01:18:25):
Sometimes it's just circumstance. But hopefully you know what did
Nick Tables say?

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
What you know? What got you here? Good enough to
keep you here. But you're gonna have to put your
heads out to keep playing. Who knows, man, those guys
can end up having a moment. Nick Foles, ladies and gentlemen,
is a Super Bowl champion. No why because he was
a backup. He put his head down and when they
called his number, he delivered. Oh it can happen. Just
got to be ready when your numbers come.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
All right, can't you laugh for everything you want to
add quickly unless we got a few more things you
want to get to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
You know, obviously, when you when your chances there, take it,
go for it. Do what you can with every opportunity
you can, because you just never know when you're gonna
get the chance to get to your dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
So good, I can't alluded to this before. We're gonna
go quickly on this because I have a few other
big topics I want to get to. So some of
these things I'll move along a little bit quicker for
the sake of number one. Nine point conversion three point play, Marvel,
what are your thoughts? I remember when Michigan Panthers are
down by nine and they tacked the football cables and nine.

(01:19:35):
That was just unbelievable.

Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
Okay, so again a three point play as is as
an option for the offense here is that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Okay? You know something, at the end of the day,
I think that the game evolves.

Speaker 8 (01:19:51):
I think that you know, in these leagues you can
do stuff like that just to get to make yourself different,
more appealing. And I think at the end of the day,
if it works and it's something that they that they
stick with. I think it's something that you'll see maybe
the NFL maybe as the game evolves.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Look at you know. So I don't know, but that's different.
You know, that's different.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
That's why I titled the show as the UFL any
value to the NFL for this particular reason.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
It is different.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Yeah, yeah, a great point. I'm telling you you're on
a rule for all the right reason, you know. Okay, So,
but that's it. We're gonna talk about transparency on replay,
can't He alluded to it earlier? Got Dan Blandino and
Mike Herrera the in game interviews as well with the
coaches and the players. How often do you get a
chance to interview a head coach for a period of time? Now,

(01:20:48):
one question? Let alone see the offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators,
college signals as well as the ability to change calls.
Because Perrera and Blandino are looking. I mean, if that
is a transparency, please play to me, Marvel what transparency is,
because I don't even know what do you think about
all of what I just said?

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
That was a lot, Scott, what you just said in
a lot?

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
You want me to repeat it? I'm kidding with you, No, no,
But I always say I'm a mouthful No.

Speaker 8 (01:21:18):
Listen, that's that's that's what got you here, man, that's
what got you here. And I'm learning, Scott, I'm learning.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
You're doing great. You're a quick study. Man. I'm glad
you learn faster than me.

Speaker 8 (01:21:27):
And so in regards to the transparency deal, don't I
don't know if I fully grasp what you're saying to
you answer with.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
You, Well, the transparency Really, what that means is they're
letting the fan zones that they can change the calls
right up in the booth, right then and there. Hey,
you made a mistake I.

Speaker 8 (01:21:42):
Got I think that's phenomenal. I think that's a very
good thing. I'm with that, listen. I know that human
error is part of the game. We accept that in
every sport and all that stuff, and that you know,
it is what it is. But these guys work so hard.
You there's so much that you put on the line
that if you can get it right for the game,
get it right, you know. So I'm with that one
hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
I don't know about you, but I'm learning a lot
watching these guys Perreira and Blandino explaining why they made
the rule change. They're making it really simple for the
audience understand, in addition to what they're educating on the field.
And as far as the we talked about the three
point play, and what are your thoughts about the coordinators
and the coach talking live as the game goes on.

Speaker 8 (01:22:27):
Don't I mean, I think that's as entertaining. I think
it's entertaining to agree. I think it provides. I mean,
it's great for communication obviously, which is great for the offense.
But I think this a part of what we're getting
into in this digital world where everything is aired and
you know, people want, you know, like reality shows, they
want to get the inside scoop and hear it and
see it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
This is where we're going, I think, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
And these player interviews on the field are great too,
aren't they.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
You know something?

Speaker 8 (01:22:55):
Yeah, sometimes I think that they should get the play
a little They should cut it down a little bit,
to be honest with you. But but it's but again,
it's it's great for the fans, it's great for the game.
It lets you get an insight, peek, get more insight.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Okay, that's great, job, Thank you. That was a load
of topic. Again, everything else has been tonight. Don't worry.
Shows it does get a little bit easier. I promise
it's all good. Okay, Ben, you heard it. I don't
have to repeat myself, do I.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
No, Man, I mean the three point player. I agree
with Marvel. Look, I mean we listen. We're not the
NFL with the UFL. Don't come over here, thank you.
We're gonna do what they do over there. It's nuance
over here. We are trying to grow our game. That
is the greatest game over there. Don't don't ask me
about them. This is what we're doing over here, as
far as like, as far as like you know, the
coaches and all the transparency. No, they're showing how sophisticated

(01:23:50):
football is. Everybody to think football is easy. Oh man,
it's just call them play and running it. Listen to
that play call and when they trying to, when they
trying to, when they try to do the transparency, when
getting plays wrong, no, you getting plays wrong. Plays only
are right when the players execute them right. Coaching can
call whatever if we execute it. Coaching look brilliant, and

(01:24:11):
we don't and man, get rid of it. But the
UFL isn't afraid to take off to take the lid
off and say, let me show.

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
You how to how our whole thing runs.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
We don't mind showing y'all that because we want you
guys to know we are an open book. We ain't
hiding from nobody. We are giving these players players won't
access until they get it. Like they get in the UFL.
You barely get you got the sweat, cover it out
your face, breathing heavy, and man, tell us about that
drop God dog, dude, I dropped it. But in a sense,

(01:24:43):
the UFL is kind of showing NFL players how to
deal with criticism and feedback in real time, because you
don't do that with NFL player, you're not going up.
I mean yes, I like the UFL is showing the Listen, man,
we're pros to a lot of us plays in the NFL,
and a lot of us can handle what comes with it,
and they know that I could be growing the game

(01:25:05):
for players, not name myself. I could be doing it
for the next generation the players. So I'm trying to
make it so. I like the transparency and listen, they
won't stay it out loud. Let something go really really
well in the UFL, and watch out fast. The NFL adopted.
Lets something in the UFL catch on NFL gonna steal it.
I'm telling I'm telling that right now. So I like

(01:25:26):
what the UFL does because it's giving exposure, exposure, exposure
to the coaches, to the players, to the refs, anything
that can get exposure right there, they giving it to us.
So I'm a fan of that. And once again, ain't
no shame in calling up you are a UFL player, brother,
you approach, but I only make you make money to

(01:25:48):
play football. And if you're doing in the spring, you're
doing in the spring. If you get to make an
NFL team, cool, but you're gonna be so so much
more prepared if you do go back to an NFL
team because you bringing a different level of professionalism. If
you do, you come back over there saying oh okay,
because let's face it, if I've only been in the NFL,

(01:26:08):
I could be very very very very very very entitled.
They're very spoiled because I ain't because I think that
you know, I think I'm this and that this guy go.
Cam Newton said when he went to that uh juco,
he said, hey, man, who watched y'all? Who watch y'all?
Uniform us. What because he come from Auburn, I mean,
coming from Florida. He had to you know what I'm saying.

(01:26:29):
So hey man had to hit. They had had to
hit that reboot. But uh, I'm root for them UFL
players man three point three point players. Oh and to
every former NFL player that's not in the league, thinking
that I would dominate the UFL, go there, you ain't
dominating like I said. Dad Johnson went to the CFL
thinking he gonna look like he did when he had
Carson Palmer. You remember, do you remember Chad Johnson in

(01:26:51):
the CFL? Me neither, but he was there. He was there,
but them d them. dB was like, do you trying
to come over here and make us look bad? Right,
I'm just telling you Chad Johnson looking Chad love Chad. Now,
ain't coming to Chad. But Chad looked the same in
the CFL like he did with it was in New England.
Do you remember Dad Johnson? New England men, I'm just

(01:27:12):
telling you, don't play with these don't play with these
players' names because you are bigger name than them, and
you come over there with a they're gonna shut you down.
So I'm root for every last player, three point plays,
four point plays.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Transparency.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Let's get a fella because somebody and but they do
the transparency when they mess up the players because the
fans know with the fans ain't stupid, now, Kendy, Like, dude,
that's a dumb play. And then you see why I
was a dumb car. The right players get off the field.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Great stuff, all right, Steven, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:27:44):
You know, as again, our panel members are absolutely murdering tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:27:48):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:27:49):
When you're when you're looking at the state of how
we consume uh, pro football is uh, you know, having
the transparency, having having the back and forth with the
the players and coaches like in real time is uh,
is just it's entertainment, you know first and foremost, I know,

(01:28:10):
you know, some of your pure soledge taken away from
the game, the distracting the play. Like listen, we're in
a different age where where things are just done done
in a different manner. It doesn't matter if we're talk
talking about UFL, NFL, college football, or whatever. The fans
want more, they want it right now, and uh, the
both the league and the you know your you know,

(01:28:32):
your networks are doing everything to give that to them.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:28:36):
You know, the rule changes absolutely. You you want to see,
uh see things that are that are getting people excited,
you know, three point plays. Four point plays would certainly
like if you're looking at it on the NFL side
of thing, would make things interesting when you have a
close game, when you're getting down down there in the
last you know, you know, you know, four minutes two

(01:28:56):
minutes of a game and having a team opportunity to
kind of flip the score on somebody when that you know,
they've been losing all game long, and all of a sudden,
you know, they find themselves within three points and all
of a sudden, you know, and now they gotta, they gotta,
they got a two three point lead because because you
have plays like that. So I'm I'm all forward to

(01:29:17):
making the game fun, to making the game interesting and
uh reiterate the you know what we've been saying. Hopefully
the uh the UFL is successful. I don't know if
they're going to be, you know, a direct feeder league
to to what the NFL is. I still think that's
gonna be even more of a problem as we as
the NFL expands, and I think they're going to expand

(01:29:39):
the the roster, give it giving teams a bit more
availability to put guys on the practice squad and things
of that nature. So it's gonna be interesting to see
how they're able to not just get guys and keep
them in the league, but keep keep them from the
the NFL, stealing with what little talent they do have.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Right now, Okay, well, I want to go over a
couple of other things, George and Candy, and I can't
comment that. I want to move this thing along even quicker,
just in case the folks h on my YouTube channel,
I did have an opportunity to do an interview during
the Super Bowl with Darryl moose Johnson to talk about
the United Football League and what plans he has for it.

(01:30:19):
So go ahead and please look at that Daryl Johnson
on the South Florida Trivia YouTube channel. Mooseman about thirty
minutes or so. You'll get a lot of good information there,
George and Candy real quick, and then I'm going to
get to some things that will have everything wrapped up
in about twenty five minutes or so. Go ahead, Georgia.

Speaker 6 (01:30:35):
Well, it's just you know, it is a different game,
and Steve, you nailed it. I mean, I'm one of
the old guys from way back when. Okay, if I'm
a referee on that field or an umpire or one
of the flying judges, she's Oh, man, you think I'm
happy with these guys sitting in the booth and looking
over all my calls. Hell no, you know they're not
happy about it, But it happens because we need transparency,

(01:30:58):
and like you said, the fans demanding it, the coaches,
the owners are demanding it. And it's a very difficult
job to be an official in the NFL, UFL, college whatever.
It's not easy, but the transparency is here to stay.
It's not going to change. What I don't need is
games being three and a half hours like some of
these college games are because they look at too many

(01:31:20):
damn plays. I'm sorry to use that language, but I
don't want college games continue to be three three and
a half hour games. That's not right for the fans.
And I understand, you got commercials, you got to take
all these breaks, blah blah blah. Super Bowl is super long.
We know that because of the show, the intermission. Well,
I'm just saying that. You know, there's a certain point

(01:31:41):
where you know you can't review every single play. We
know that, and I know there are guidelines in the NFL.
College seems to be a little bit more lenient about reviews.
That being said, no, I mean, it's tough being an
official down there. But man, as the old saying goes, Scott,
you got to get it right, Kenny.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
The NFL has a proven product. They have the best talent,
so in order for the UFL to compete, to gain traction,
they have to be different. So I love the fact
that they are doing different things like the three point play.
I mean that means we're not seeing a kicker go
out there and try and kick a field goal or

(01:32:24):
an extra point after the touchdown. It depends on if
they're going on the two yard line, the five yard line,
or the ten yard line. So they got to score again.
And I think that makes for more exciting because everybody
loves offense. Everybody loves those kind of plays. I love
the fact that they do review things, that they talk
about it so that as as a common fan that

(01:32:48):
doesn't know all of the rules, you learn the rules
by watching these games and watching the transparency and them
talking about it. And even when they're they have the
coaches in there when they're talking about the different play
that they're gonna run. It's kind of interesting to hear
all of the different plays that they have. Basically, most

(01:33:09):
of us always think, oh, you know, the quarterback's gonna
pass it. Okay, Well who's he gonna pass it to?
And what kind of routes are they gonna run?

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
I like that that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
It's very different and it talks more openly, talks about
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
All right, let me go over a few basic facts everybody,
so I'll just school just call them fyies, okay, and
purely that. The one thing that summarizes the show here
pretty much is to put the innovative football minds the
work the what do you have? Interesting rule changes? And
so forth right, because you got a lot of great
football minds in the United Football League for sure. Now,

(01:33:44):
can you can you imagine this football? You talk about
a holiday sport. We got football Memorial Day weekend, and
we have in our Mother's Day. How about that Mother's
Day football. I don't know if it quite makes it
the Father's Day, but we got Mother's Day football Memorial Day.
Not too bad. Now, we got all the military holidays
covered with two man, here's a just an imagine fact,

(01:34:06):
can you imagine if the United Football League then the
CFL had merged and turned into a North American league.
I doubt it would ever happen anyways, because you have
too much disparities in the rule and what field are
you going to use? All that and you have two
dollars versus a three down, but it's worth putting out there.
I'm only going to ask two people this question real quick,

(01:34:26):
and I'm gonna limit it it too. What do you
think about, Marvin, if the UFL and the CFL ever merged.

Speaker 8 (01:34:35):
You know something, there was a time when, you know,
before the seventy merger, nineteen seventy merger, people thought that
was far fetched.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:34:44):
At the end of the day, football is a growing sport.
It's an international sport, it's a it's a business over everything.
And you know, in the CFL they be able to
establish teams and identity and you know, to ron Unto.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
And Hamilton and all this stuff. The UFL not so much.

Speaker 8 (01:35:04):
It's new and you know, I don't know if that
if you have the same local loyalty that you have
in the CFL. But you know, there's so much football love.
There's so much people some people who love the game.
Would it shock me? No, I wouldn't shock me. Now,
if the UFL were able to gain ground, you know,
and get their viewership up and you know, get people

(01:35:25):
in those local cities to really rally, rally behind those
teams to spend that money to go to the games
and so on and so forth, now I wouldn't shocked me.
But I don't see it happening. So because it is
a different it's football. It's football. You lace it up
and you go get it. But I think that their offenses,
and at the offense in the CFL is really based

(01:35:45):
on having a bigger field. I think you can condense
that into the normal spread. But you know, could it
would have shocked me. Nah, is it gonna happen?

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Well that's how I look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Well, Danny mcma has told me the CFL doesn't have
so there you go. I didn't know that until that.
And if you ask me, if that Ruse play where
they nick it way out of the park and they
get a point for the turn over the fans, there's
only two people want to talk about this. A couple
of other news items don't want to get to go
ahead with your thought about just imagining the ball thing
that is not inevitable.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
I mean, the reason why I don't think it's gonna
happen is because the CFL is already a big time
you know, commodity and the UFL don't want to have
to follow their lead. If I'm bigger than you, you
got to listen to me a little more because, you know,
because we're merging. But I agree with Marvin, it's like
the CFL is a different that's a different league that
that's built for O line, D line and wide receiver

(01:36:38):
that they they it's like they just throw the ball
around the whole time. It's an exciting game to watch,
but that's a different game than what you watch in
the UFL. So I do anything is possible that Dwayne
the Rock Johnson is gonna listen to anything that's gonna
that's gonna make money because he did the right thing
when he got the UFL. But I just think that

(01:37:00):
Canada us, you know, we ain't the best of friends
right right now. Not getting political at all. I just
think that, you know, for something like that to happen, man,
you know cool, you know, uh our cooler head's gonna
have to prevail. But I agree with Marvel. At the
end of the day. The CFL say, look, man, we
could over here. It's been working y'all. Want you want

(01:37:24):
to play in Canada, come to Canada, come on, come
on up here and play. But you want us to
merge down there, man, because I don't know. I don't
know how long we took the CFL to get to
what they got as far as like getting their league
like that, you're gonna have to if you merge, it's
almost like you started over. So I don't see the
CFL want to do that. And man, we're gonna play
football in the spring. Call the UFL the CFL. We

(01:37:46):
you know over the over they you know, they can
keep doing what they're doing. But I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
I don't see it happen anytime. So good, Like I said,
if what they say big bank, take a little back.
If I'm bigger than you, or you want to merge
with me, I mean you you know, you get to
say so, but you don't get the final say. And
the UFL is not going I don't see them doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Right now, we go to a rapid fire segment, and
I mean rapid fire. According to Mark Perry, who, by
the way, was my guest on the Motor City man
Mouth Show when I did this in March, he says
seven times Super Bowl champion Tom Brady is interested in
purchasing a UFL team. He also lives in the Tampa
Bay area. The UFL file the trademark for the Tampa

(01:38:25):
Bay Bandits, and that trademark occurred on May six. I'm
gonna ask everybody very quickly, can you see Tom Brady
as an owner of the UFL team letlone one with
the Bandits, who, by the way, used to be partly
owned by Burt Reynolds. I'll go to Marvin real quick.

Speaker 8 (01:38:43):
Absolutely, why not add that to the portfolio. That's that's
what you do when you get to a certain point, right,
It's about elevating in the game, and that's what you see.
And I love to see former players making these moves
and changing the narrative and driving the reality of you know,
the players have evolved, you know, and to businessmen, and
Tom and Alex and a Rodney's guys are doing it

(01:39:03):
at a very high level.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Great for them and their families.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Okay, absolutely, yes, tom Brady already part owner, and listen,
got ownership with the Raiders. If I live in Tampa,
I want to own more than just my house down there.
So yeah, they get to Tampa Bay bandits. Yeah, you
I can see Tim because listen. And he won't be
the only owner either. If Tom Brady owned the team,
you know who's coming right behind him, Gronk. I get

(01:39:27):
ed on, man, Listen, Tom Brady. Don't make a lot
of bad decisions people. I'm just telling if you, if
you invested in it, you know, and I can see farming.
I can see guys like Dereck Brooks and fuming, you know,
Lawren Seth, you know Bronde barbing them guys doing it too.
So yeah, man, the Tampa Bay bandits and day and
they become a reality and they shot the time man
doing big things. Man, since he walked away for football

(01:39:49):
here and lo, what three hundred and fifty million dollars
to go to the booth or owner of the Raiders.

Speaker 5 (01:39:54):
Life is looking up, man for Tom Brady's days.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Great stuff. Love that man, all right, Steve.

Speaker 7 (01:40:01):
I mean I think it could happen. I don't know
if it will. I mean, hell, I mean We've seen
crazy things happen. There's rumors running around that Shaq's gonna
be part of a new co owner for the DC
universe over there with James Gunn and them getting involved
in the comic book world. So I mean, if Shaq
can do stuff like that, Shack was even involved in

(01:40:22):
Bare Knuckle for a period of time when they first
got started off. So seeing some of these larger athletes
getting involved in other things and owning other teams and
things like that, it's not so far fetched. The question
is will he is There is there language involved that
he's not allowed to own another team, another football franchise.
That probably be the only real thing preventing it. But

(01:40:45):
I mean I'm all for it, Like, let these guys
have fun. Let let these guys, you know, tinker around
and see if they can make some of these other
organizations better.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
George ray Card.

Speaker 6 (01:40:57):
No, and I'll say not only because he wants a
fel action. I don't think he'll go for the UFL.
I think he wants NFL. We already see what's happened
with the Raiders and the situation involving Brady over there.
I really think that that Tom will stick with the NFL.
And that's the only that's from my gut I'm thinking.
So I'll say no to UFL for him, but yes

(01:41:18):
to NFL Candy.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
Why not. He's a businessman now at this point, and
he's got lots of money. Let him put it wherever
he wants to. And if he wants to enhance the
UFL league, great throw money there. Just him putting money
there would attract some more investors, more talent. Go for
it wherever he I mean, like I said, he's now

(01:41:44):
a businessman at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Go for it now. I'll say this heavy tover to
the Tampa Bay bandits back in the day in the eighties,
banded ball, Steve Spurrier, I'd love to see it back.
Tom Brady's behind it. More power to him. All Right,
we'll continue on. The league is not happy with the
turnouts in Birmingham and Houston, with Memphis being on its
own island with its size of FedEx owner Fred Smith

(01:42:10):
get this. So in a recent game here you had
the Arlington Renegade taken on Memphis. And I'll tell you
what it's Simmons Liberty Bank Stadium two thousand and forty
four showed up for that game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
Ouch.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
So with all that sad okay, the league recently filed
four new trademarks. He got the Oakland Invaders, Philadelphia Stars,
Tampa Bay Bandits, New Jersey Generals, and Seattle and Columbus
are still cities in play for expansion. Now, if four
new teams are added to the UFL and twenty twenty six,

(01:42:50):
the likelihood is that the Roughnecks and the show Boats
will be relocated. According to Mike Mitchell, So let's just
talk about this will be our final topic of the night.
What are your thoughts then about a return to Oakland,
because let's make it if you don't have an NFL
city and now Oakland, the Invaders could easily go back

(01:43:11):
to the Coliseum. We saw how well it was worked
out in Saint Louis, and I would love to see
San Diego get a team. Then, what are your thoughts
about all four scenarios you got New Jersey and Philadelphia.
It's not a matter of it, it would be a
matter of when and to get relocated. How do you
like the direction of these particular four cities? Maybe Seattle

(01:43:31):
and Columbus later, but let's just focus on these four
for now. Then, We'll start off with you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
I mean New Jersey, I mean New Jersey and Philadafi. Obviously,
you know that's already built team. You're gonna be able
to take from those you know, NFL franchises there. So
I think that's a no brainer. It is a travestya
that Oakland, California does not have a pro football team.
That is a I don't care what no one said.
Certain things should never happen man Oakland. I mean no.

(01:43:57):
I mean go to State in San Francisco, you know,
I mean the Aid's gone, the Raiders gone. That's a
football town, man. Openland is a football town, right. I
mean it's called the freaking town. They call it the
town if you've ever been to Oakland. So, I do
think the way you put these teams have a lot
to do. And here's the thing, even getting back to

(01:44:18):
what you said that about on the two thousand fans
show up, you can't sell You got to give away
some of these tickets. Everyone knows for new franchises, you
got to sell some and gifts some away. You making
a pay for it. You make it. Think about that.
I want to come to a UFL game. How much
he is a thirty dollars per person, are you? I'm

(01:44:40):
just saying certain stuff to me. Look, I've worked with
people in marketing man's and marketing is a campaign. It's
a strategy that you put together to get people to
show up. I mean, you want me to get a
team that I couldn't tell you who the quarterback was,
coach was, and you want me to pay and I
got to pay for concessions, and I got to pay
the park, I got to pay for a jersey.

Speaker 5 (01:45:01):
Absolutely not, but yeah, I do.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
I do think going back to some of these cities
that was that already had NFL franchises there recently all
they got him there. Now, I think that makes the
selling point a lot easier because you can, I guarantee
you you can get current NFL players to work to
do like market and stuff. With the uf AL players,
they willing to do that. But Penny's on the doubt,

(01:45:25):
you know. So I do like that direction hopefully and
hopefully it becomes a it becomes uh, it becomes.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Well, I'll say this much. The biggest mistake they made
in Houston was they didn't bring back the Houston Gamblers
name had Jim Kelly there and if you go to
the New Jersey generals. I'll tell you this right now.
Herschel Walker matter of him and I actually had a
chance to meet Donald Trump many years ago as the
USFL championship game. It was actually nice to me you

(01:45:51):
mentioned that. But then again, it was a president who
knows what we'd be like a fight hit him up
with competing with the NFL that he'd probably fire me
like he does everybody else. But still, well, what you
think about it at all? New Jersey makes sense, Philadelphia
makes sense, Oakland makes sense. They know about Tampa and
of course Sattle obas I knows. All right, Marvin, I'll
turn over to you.

Speaker 8 (01:46:12):
Yeah, I think you know, I think Ben headed on
the head. You know, you got you got cities like
Oakland who are football hungry. They're thirsty, you know, uh,
they have football culture already there. You know, in regards
to you know, this team only having two thousand fans
show up, Ben said it. Listen, let the let all
these kids in elementary school, middle school, build you a

(01:46:33):
fan base. Start young, you know, create loyalty when they're young.
Let them in the stadium, let them watch the game,
you know, give give them a real fan experience, create
a community experience. You know, I wish in the best
of luck if they're looking to move and they're gonna
go to Oakland in some of these places, because I
think there's there's a base, there's a culture, and I
think there's an opportunity there, you know, But they got

(01:46:55):
to bring in these young fans and try to build
some type of loyalty. You know, you you have little
team to CFL. You have loyalty in the NFL. You know,
you know this league needs to do something to get
similar results. Uh of loyalty, Yeah, no question about it. Again,
Oakland Calsebia's cricket. We know they need a felt team

(01:47:15):
that at least get football back in there as well.
Steven well ahead, of course, Jim Kelly played as I said,
you're just gamblers. So you're bringing a lot of these
teams with at least a little bit of history. But
we don't see the Houston team with Parker.

Speaker 7 (01:47:27):
Go ahead, Steven Ian, Listen, we already we already got
the lineage here in Philadelphia. It's it's it's it's always
gonna be gonna be a football tand no matter if
it's the Philadelphia Stars or the Philadelphia Eagles that you're
gonna get people to tune in and watch football. Even
when the Philadelphia Soul was here, they packed the house.
They they they had fun, they brought some championships. You

(01:47:50):
had you know, Jaworski and uh and bon Jovia part
part of that that that franchise when when it was here. So,
but I'm gonna agree with this sentiment of Ben like
Oakland has nothing. It's barren now. They they have nothing
and they probably have a lot more lineage than some
of these other places. So it's it's kind of one

(01:48:12):
of these things where where we need to bring the
the sports back to the city of Oakland, regardless if
it's a Pro pro you know, pro football, pro baseball,
whatever they're they're they're been they've been stripped of everything
the the city of Oakland. So hopefully they get something
going there. Uh, we'll see how that, how the new

(01:48:34):
teams developed, the expansion works, and how the league will
hopefully continue to grow.

Speaker 6 (01:48:40):
George, Well, you've got some very interesting cities that you've
named there obviously, Uh, you have to look at a
situation where can they support a second team. The Michigan
Panthers struggled this year with their attendants. It was it's
it's a little bit down from previous seasons. They've been

(01:49:01):
in third time now three straight years they've been in
the new Now it's ufl albus to be said, teams
that really need a franchise, Yeah, san Diego, Okay, I
go with San Diego. I would go with Oakland, and
another one is Portland, Oregon. Now, if you want as
stale as a real nice situation out west, you get

(01:49:23):
those three cities. I think they could support this league.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
I really do.

Speaker 6 (01:49:27):
I'm not saying no to Philadelphia. They would be my
fourth choice, but I really think that out in California,
you got hungry fans that want to see footbawl on
a better level than they get now. So I would
go with like in that order, I would go San Diego, Oakland, Portland,
and Philly.

Speaker 7 (01:49:47):
Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
And I like what Steve mentioned, Ron Jowarski's in the Philadelphia.
So a few people realize, well, Katy, you have the
last word on this.

Speaker 4 (01:49:57):
I think there are definitely some cities that could support
it more. I think it also depends on like the stadium,
it depends on when you have the games It depends
on what else you market with the game. Yeah, yes,
you do need to give away some of those tickets.

(01:50:17):
You do need to have something that draws some of
these people in. I've seen we were watching the game
on Sunday or Saturday, was it this weekend? And it
was Michigan and you looked at the stands and there
was hardly anybody in those stands, and I'm like, Okay,
what else can we do? It was in the middle

(01:50:39):
of the day, it was hot. It's not a covered stadium. Okay,
So is that football weather? Is that what people think
of football weather? What else can they do? I think,
you know, they need to market it better though, because
I think that will help. Can they sustain it?

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
I think there are definite some cities that could sustain
it maybe better. And is it fair that some of
the NFL cities get a second team? Is it fair
that Michigan has, Detroit you know, has two, or or
some that don't have any you know, I know that

(01:51:23):
Milwaukee has doesn't have a team. They have the Green
Bay Packers. The Green Bay Packers are not in Milwaukee,
that's not But I think there are some other towns
that could definitely support him. I almost could even see Madison,
Wisconsin supporting it. You know, some of these big college
towns that have these big college stadiums, some of those

(01:51:45):
towns might be able to support or support them too.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
Interesting point. It'd be a shame though Birmingham ever loses
the team because they have all the championships right now.
I know they're struggling, but so they need to get
that situation straight. A couple of UFL notes, by the way,
the standings that are as such, A Michigan is six
and three, so as Birmingham they'll play and the they'll play.
I believe. In the USFL championship game, Houston is four

(01:52:12):
and five and memphisis two and seven. The Saint Louis
BattleHawks are seven and two and they'll take on DC defenders.
In the XFL championship game, Arlington is four and five
and unfortunately for San Antonio, they one a eight. The
respective championship games are on June eighth. You're gonna have
the United Football League Championship game at the Dome at

(01:52:37):
America Center on Saint Louis in Saint Louis, Missouri, and
June fourteenth, so who knows maybe there was battle Hawks
will end up having a chance to win a championship
in front of their own home crowd like the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. So that pretty much does it for Inside
the Picks and tonight. Any closing thoughts real quick, Marvin,
and then while you're giving those, please let everybody know

(01:52:57):
they get a hold.

Speaker 8 (01:52:58):
Of These are our close thoughts. Going back to the
first part of this whole conversation. Sure, my wife and
my kids, okay, are my greatest love over everything as
it should be.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
My first love is the USC Trojans since I was
like eight and nine years old.

Speaker 8 (01:53:16):
Okay, So going back to that first seven that we
was talking about legacy, so on and so forth, Ben,
I don't know if you if uff they if they
got you with recruiting, or if you've always been at GATA,
but I've been down to these Trojans since like eight
and nine years old, you know what I mean. So
it was the first something that I really loved and

(01:53:36):
cared about and cried about and had anxiety as a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:53:41):
Those are my last thoughts in regards to getting hold
of me. I'm on Facebook. The name says it all.
I said, marm paut third Facebook direct message me whatever,
let's connect.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Thank you guys very much. This has been a lot
of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
Scott Hey, you know what, Marvin, I am looking forward
to having you on a lot more shows than you have.
A dance over City man, I'm Mouse Show TVD. But Marvin,
you're a great addition to the staff and we're excited
to have you. George I Corny has a bro to
promote real quick. Do so very quickly, and then we'll
put Steven and.

Speaker 6 (01:54:11):
Arrest all right, all right? For the South Florida Tribune
and under the Motor City Tribune. I contribute as well.
I wrote a book called Detroit Sports Broadcasters on the
Air and the chronicles the great broadcasters we've had in Detroit.
And there's a link to that book there it is.
There's a link to it at the end of my column.
You can link to Amazon to pick up a copy.

(01:54:33):
You can find me on any number of great shows
here on the network, including one hundred and eight Stitches
and the Sports Exchange, and obviously I'm happy to be
a guest here tonight. So thanks everybody. Great show tonight
and look forward to seeing you rest. Way to reach
bgi cortnet yaou dot com or san Ge Sports ninety
nine on x or Twitter.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:53):
So there you go, Marvin, you have two authors on
the same show.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
I love that, all right, what's you meet?

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
The right? Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
It's always a pleasure being on uh, you know, with
you guys every Tuesday. You know, Georgia was I mean
it was. It was a pleasure to me. You Candy,
you know you you remain the Rose Royce you know
of this show, Marvin Man, listen, man, I mean I'm
looking forward to just working with you in the future,
Sir Man. I love the energy and but I'm with you,
don't Marven. Look at the end of the day. No,

(01:55:23):
I didn't grow up no Florida Gate. I'm from I'm
from Georgia. I knew about the Georgia Bulldog right, but
Steve Sperry recruited me with Steve Spurry coming to your
crib my. My only line was to say, coach, I
see you in Jainesville. Did I say Nouth Carolina? I
was coming to South Carolina? Yep? Did I tell Tommy
Bowden I was coming to Clemson? Yep?

Speaker 5 (01:55:44):
Did I tell?

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
Did I tell Jim Dunning at Georgia. I was coming
to Georgia, yep, And I lied because I knew I
was going to Florida the whole time.

Speaker 5 (01:55:53):
But I you know, I thank God for these unique opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
But at the end of the day, j my Son,
listen to me, I want you to go with I
want you to go where you want to go, and
I'm gonna steal you right towards Gainesville. You ain't gonna
have what But listen, I troll certain people's Goott and Steve,
you know, and Georgia and Marvin and Candy. And one

(01:56:18):
of the teams that I trow the most is Georgia.
I troll them the most. You know why because they
are the only team in college football that don't realize
you have to root for Georgia and everything. You can't
root for Duke Er in basketball season they do that.
They wait, we got a root for Georgia during basketball seaton. Yes,

(01:56:38):
they don't know that. So I know. I'm just saying, listen,
respect Georgia, but only college football can make you respect
guys' names Kirby and Dabbo and Jimbo because they won championship, right,
I am like Marven my son he got raised right,

(01:57:00):
he ain't going to Athens? Where am I gonna meet him? An?

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Why am not?

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
No? My son is going to games.

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
He listen.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
I don't care where he goes, just as long as
it ain't games. I mean, just as long as it
ain't as long as it ain't Athens. And I know
what y'all say. What if you go to Florida State,
I can live with that. What if you go to Miami,
I can live with that. He had, if he had?
My son is in.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Georgia again real quick? How they get a hold of y'all?
Our stuff is at the bottom month of ticket.

Speaker 5 (01:57:33):
Being baby four on eggs. I think I'm on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
I try not to beac my mama got a Facebook page,
so I try not to be on Facebook too much.
But I am on that. I am on it, and.

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
As well, he's a man.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
He's on every Tuesday night.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
And this is my book right here?

Speaker 5 (01:57:50):
Hold on, I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
Hold on, No, y'all can see we.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
Got three authors good stuff. No no, no, can find
that on our website under his bio as well.

Speaker 5 (01:58:00):
Yeah, we go, okay, I'll see it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
There we go, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:58:03):
Boom, Marvin send me address you got, I'm gonna see
your copy big time. I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
You gotta get me one too, man, I'll get you one.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
All right, we'll do.

Speaker 7 (01:58:14):
The Only thing I'm gonna say is make sure you
guys are locked in tomorrow afternoon because me and Ben
are not gonna be on tomorrow morning. We're gonna be
on tomorrow afternoon, and we're being joined by NFL veteran
Marcus Pollard. So enjoy and enjoy the interview.

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
Everyone, enjoy the evening.

Speaker 1 (01:58:29):
Everyone.

Speaker 7 (01:58:30):
We're gonna be back here causing a whole lot more ruckus.
So make sure you guys are locked in.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
Yeah, Steven is all you guys have been great? Can
just put our book up real quick? All of our
information is at the bottom of the ticker as well.
I just want to make sure everybody enjoyed this show here.
Marvin's debut could not have been any better and could
have been scripted like anything else. And yes, we have
a couple late combers. What's going on, Joshua door, we're
wrapping up dog check on her. I'll give it you, Scottie.

(01:58:57):
There you go. We'll get those in before we go silent.
So there you go. Joshua Dore, hope you can watch
this one and entertain. You've got some new teammates here,
so but that sat on behalf of my excellent crew.
We want to thank Marvin poul for being on and
we're looking forward to having Marvin on more shows. And
we got George Iikorn as well. Stephen Reichel will join

(01:59:18):
me on Thursday night. Candrey has a country club on
Thursday night, and Ben, what can I say? My man,
you're the best. The Gator boy will be ready to
do business with a Hurricane Nick the next week. So
we got you, and see we got the hurricanes. My goodness,
it don't get any better than that. And we got
a UCLA guy. We gotta all cover everybody inside the

(01:59:40):
pict and says tonight, Rom Candy and Marvin Steven and
George ike Corn, what's going on? We're going on and
guess what's that Ruski? We're going up see you next
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