April 26, 2024 • 26 mins
In this episode, I will be exploring with my guest host Vito Bruno, the latest developments in the Gilgo Beach murders and Alec Baldwin, Rust shooting case. Insight Into Healing/ Investigative Insights Special Edition: With Guest Host :Ret Detective Vito Bruno formerly with the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office under Robert Morgenthau :As we Explore the recent developments in the Gilgo Beach murders and the Alec Baldwin, Rust shooting cases:
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My name is Alexa. Hi everyone, and welcome back to
Insight into Healing. My name is Alexa Servo DiDio and
I'm your host. Thank you so much for tuning in tonight. Well,
tonight we're having a special edition of Insight into Healing.
This will be the investigative insights you've seen, investigative insights.
(00:24):
I'm the Alexa Show for the last three or four episodes,
as we are following many major crimes, cold cases and
serial killers. Tonight we are going back and researching and
really analyzing the new developments and the Gilgo Beach murders
again with us. I have veto Bruno, veto thank you
(00:44):
so much for coming on again and helping us dive
deeper into this case to keep more things just keep
popping up as the months go by.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes, thank you very much again for inviting me back
to this and I do get the this thing going
because this is very very interesting case, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yes, And for those who have not been watching the news,
the latest developments are there's been more studies, but they've
also been more they're doing more searches in the Manorville
section of Long Island, and we know they're saying there
was rex Huroerman is saying in his defense that there
was another suspect, but the past DA or the police
(01:28):
seem to have dropped the ball. This is what rex
Huerman is saying, something to that degree, and his lawyer
wants them to research more into that. So supposedly, from
what I've been looking at and researching that the Manorville
investigation might not be connected to him, but they are
doing a search. What is your take on that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well, you can't let anything go by, you know, there's
only assumption. Maybe they of course obviously no more than
we do as we talk, but just taking what we
know at this point in time, I feel very positive
that there is more to it to that Maner build
than we're looking at. First of all, it's very difficult
(02:11):
because there's so much grounds to cover, and they have
a lot of different units. The first time I've ever
seen the New York City Police Department in Suffolk County,
which is helping their brothers out there to obviously check
and search the areas out there with their dogs, which
is super and you need all the help you can
get because it's just so much grounds up there, and
(02:34):
it's really, really, really difficult to where you're going. But
I still feel there is an indication that they have something.
That's why they're doing it. There's something that is alive
and come to them directly, whether it be from DNA
or somebody reveals something to them, I don't know. We
don't know exactly yet. We'll find out as time goes on.
(02:55):
But I still feel that, you know, they did a
lot of DNA testing, not only with the suspect where
he works in the city, but they went to his office.
They found a lot of things that they took over
by from the subpoenas, from the course they got to
all the parties that they wanted to get for evidence
that they might have been picking up something. Who knows.
(03:17):
I don't know how the honey found them originally was
from a slice of pizza. The DNA was on a
slice of pizza, So you know, there are things there
that sometimes it takes time to time time, but this
is a priority. I think they're looking at it very
very seriously, of course, and they're doing I think as
best the job as they can do.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I mean, is it possible that this whole search and
Manerville could have been sparked by Rex here and the
legal teams saying something about the past suspect, or do
you believe maybe that was just the smoke and mirrors
from his team, that maybe this is really something connected
to him or possibility connect to the past suspect.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, I still think he's a very bright man. He
knows what he's knowing as far as is logic of thinkings,
and he has a very nice job, and I still
feel that he knows. I think it's all connected to him.
That's my opinion. But you know, again, I don't know
what they have, but as far as I could see,
(04:23):
I think that's more from his end than anybody else
at this point in time. And that's where I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Going about it. We discussed on the Alexis Show Investigative
Insights that they had found old flip phones and things
like that in his possession, supposedly from prior victims, which one,
you know, how do you how do you have those
if you're not connected to the victims. I'm wondering if
there was another accomplice or something else that that happened
(04:55):
in Manville, because if it is from all those years,
are these are they looking for for the people from
the past, maybe victims from that far back or would
it be maybe recent victims or not ones that were
so so many years ago. And it'll be very interesting
because obviously there's something that has been going on, and
I wasn't aware that the New York City Police were
(05:16):
actually involved in this. This really kind of really brings
a different type of level to this case. And if
this recent findings that they're looking for.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent, because I think,
if I'm not mistaken, this was the first time that
the police were asked to come out and continue to
search with the Suffolk County PD and the disc Attorney's
office to everybody's hands on with this case, which is great. Well, again,
(05:48):
I'm looking on it from what looking at it from
all all different angles. He's the suspect here, have been
problems with him in the past, even in the schools.
He tried to terrible rating with schools. The subject is.
But he's very intelligent. You know what he's doing. I
could see it from his moves and things like that,
(06:10):
so I wouldn't count him out. But then again, you know,
when they find things and they go on the trail
of things and finding there's always a possibility of finding
something else truthfully, that's not connected to him, And that's
always possible too, because there's a lot of territory out there,
and that seems to be one of the agents.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Could the evidence still be viable after all these years
if it was from many many years ago, I mean,
how real and viable could that evidence be instead of
maybe decay or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, that's true too, that's true too. Yeah, that's always
a strong possibility unless something when in the timeframe there
was another murder and somebody else puts the individual buried
in that particular area or parts of the body in
that area, which again we don't know, but very possible.
(07:02):
But as time goes on, if it's been many, many,
many many years ago, I don't think that you can
get anything out of that. So right now we've just
got to look at what we have. But I think
they have a clue that there's still something going on
with that, and why they're going back to Manerville. That's
very interesting. And I still think, and you know, I
(07:22):
go back again to the family that somebody, you know,
they interviewed people from the family, and nobody seemed to
have ever heard or known that he did anything or
they had a suspicion of him, and that's amazing that
nobody knew anything. I just don't follow that. Now, somebody
had to know something or something A little bit, a
lot of it, I don't know, but it's possible too
(07:43):
in that respect, you know, yes, because you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Don't really hear anything from the family or any background
or any information on them. And a lot of times,
you know, I know, yes, they have specific shots they
show of Rex hereman in and out of court or whatever,
but there's no you know, coming from a psychoanalytic view,
there's no expression on his face. There's no it's blank.
(08:09):
And you would think someone in this type being accused
of these crimes, if you're innocent or you know, going
through such stressful period, there would be some emotion. But
if you really look, there is that blank stare on
his face. There's nothing behind his eyes. It's chilling. If
you really just look into his eyes, what you feel
(08:29):
and seeing the vibe you get from him.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, I didn't see him personally. Excuse me, hond I'm
only looking at pictures of him on computers and so forth.
But I could see what you're saying, and I agree
with you. He has that look of it and the
way he's developed himself, even in the courtroom. I've seen
pictures of him in the courtroom. He's very strong in
(08:55):
his own belief in what he does. The only thing
I don't understand, and I think he probably got there
was some point that he was calling one of the
persons that got killed or he killed their family, and
he taunted them a little bit. Now you know, he's
been coming alive a little bit. You know, maybe things
(09:15):
are bothering him on certain things. I don't know, and
that's possible, but he has done that to pass.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
With and that's been proven that that was him. Is
he admitting that or has that been proven?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yes, No, he did, Yes, he did admit it. So
they had some evidence even on that from DNA that
they've gotten and so there's a lot of different areas
that they've connected. That's why they've connected to him, and
that's why they arrested him for the allegedly the attempted
a murder of these four individuals. Now it could be six.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So we know these individuals are not a stranger to him,
which when you think about that, who really has you
know it's familiar or has connection to four to six
people that have been murdered. I mean, there's something obviously
a little fishy about that that why would these connections,
(10:09):
why would it be having contact flip phones, making phone calls,
taunting them. That's another thing, you know, relationship.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And he had some some situations with some of the
sex companies what he's been dealing with from the past,
but is they've gotten that out of his phone. So
he's been that kind of an individual that he loves
the sexual approaches or things. And all these individuals that
(10:41):
got killed, they are discorts, prostitutes and I think all
of them, I guess before them are allegedly prostitutes. And
if in that kind of category, that was where he
was looking at from that point of view. So I mean,
there's a lot of things just shifts constantly back to him,
(11:03):
and I think they're still moving on it. They probably
have other things that they're looking at, excuse me, And
I think that that's where they're trying to build up
the case solidly so that there's no holes in this
type of thing. And they want to get this thing
done as best as possible and make sure that it's
done properly, and which they are doing but the search
(11:25):
right now is really really a massive, massive undergoing because
there's so much territory out there. But seemingly they know
of kind of where they're going with this thing, I think,
and that's why the police was told or asked to
come out and you know, provide some more of help
(11:45):
out there. So they are doing what they can with
their dogs, the canine units, So it's it's really a
big help for searching in this particular point.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So what I find fascinating after all these years, we're
finding more and more evidence, you know, a couple of
years here, a couple of years there. The evidence just
keeps coming out again, and you're wondering, what whoever did this?
You know, I know it's all pointing towards Rex that
there must have been a real mastermind of hiding this evidence.
(12:19):
And now are they feeling as many serial killers do
kind of like to taunt the police and like to
be known. Or was it maybe someone really not able
to uncover, really checking out thoroughly all the leads that
they had, because they were a lot of leads many
many years ago when this first case came out. There
was a psychiatrist, there was you know, different people so
(12:40):
it's interesting how all of a sudden, different years go by,
all this evidence is mounting.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well, that's that's true too. I mean, you know, way
way back, going back to it twenty years ago. I mean,
they didn't have the providing the necessary means to to
obtain things like they do as far as the DNA
and so forth, which really classified somebody as the person
(13:08):
that they're looking for. That became a huge, huge help
in the police department, in the law enforcement, I should say.
So because of all that, I think that it's gotten
to that point where some cases have been lost and
many have been picked up, and as you would see,
as time goes on, they find things else and they
(13:30):
have much more i would say, scientific ways of picking
things up to even law enforcement with the FBI, and
they could do kind of miracle work sometimes in that respect.
And so you know, years ago, things you find a
slice of pizza, they would never even looked at it. Basically,
(13:53):
they probably would have, but they don't have the research
of it to find out if anything's on that a
pizza of the t A or anything like that. They
weren't doing it many many, many years ago. So there
are things that they've progressed over the law enforcement over
the years, which has helped them tremendously. I still feel
my opinion is that it's all goes back to the
(14:15):
manner with him. That's my opinion right now, and we'll
see as it goes along. But you know, he said
he's not he's not bleeding to anything, he's not guilty.
I understand all that. But they seem to be working
up a project here, so I give a lot of
encouragement to that respect, and hopefully if that's the case, fine,
(14:36):
I'm not saying that's totally in but they seem to
be getting a lot of evidence and whatever else they have.
Of course they won't reveal it at this point in time,
but yes, I still think so to the.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Audience, we just we sit and we wait and we
watch and wonder how long. Just when we think it's over,
it's the new evidence. Just a couple of months ago,
when we were in the studio, we thought, okay, this
is coming to a close, and now this new evidence
comes out. So it's it's kind of what the real
you know, Cliffhanger, waiting to find out. I could only
imagine for those families of those victims, the ups and
(15:13):
downs they must be going through.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well, that was something similar, but not in the same direction.
But the Bolden case a couple of years ago, the movie. Yeah,
it was the same thing that they kept looking at it,
and they had a lot of evidence coming in, or
at least they were talking to many of the people
down there, and there was a lot of situations that
(15:35):
were going to the help to hopefully the police down there,
and they finally found where they'd be going to at
this point, and now there's a couple of a recipian
made even the act there, got arrested, and now there's
well originally he wasn't, but then they did the the
(15:58):
what you what I'm saying for a minute.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I mean, what do you think about the armorer being sentenced?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yes, yes, I tell you, that's that's amazing. I don't
I don't know where that thing came from. I wasn't
even including her in the beginning. But as time went on,
you know, there's there's still something still going on with
this case, and they still haven't indicted I think they're
indicted Baldwin on this thing at this point, because in
(16:26):
the originally they were going to not indict them, or
they weren't going to arrest them, but as time went on,
they picked up more information and then they finally indicted him.
And he's still now still not of the woods with everything.
So the prosecutor is now going after him totally. So
we'll see what happens. He's going to be coming up next.
But that I guess. The woman was arrested for an
(16:49):
untentional manslaughter. To see what happens with him now. But
there is some things because when I originally talked about
this whole incident, were once one of the pigs practice
in this case the bullet in the gun, and he
admitted that he fired the gun at the woman. I mean,
but the point was who put that bullet in the gun?
(17:09):
They won't bring that out, And I don't know why.
That was a very major point here because I couldn't
understand it. Even I talked to some of my comments,
the guys that I've worked with for years that know
the business and law enforcement. They couldn't understand why this
was not brought out. But finally I think they're looking
at it, so maybe we're getting more and more information
(17:33):
on that. So that case is not over yet. That's
still going on.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
No and I think that just the fact alone that
they sentenced her, they found her guilty the armorer, that
shows that this is not just an accident that happened,
that there was something going on on. That sentence all no,
we've discussed before, sounds like negligence, sounds like, you know,
(17:59):
as you maybe said, we were talking about maybe someone
not happy with Alec, not happy with with what's going
on with the set. A lot of negligence with why
was there bullets real bullets? Why all these different something
with safety negligence, I would say, And you know, a
lot of resentment and anger going sounds like on that
(18:19):
set that you know, who knows who was the real
target of that bullet that he said before? Was it
a scare or was it meant to really be lethal
as it turned.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Out to be? Who you're absolutely your absolutely correct, because
there were so many of them that they had very
upsetting interviewers down there with the people that worked there,
and they quit the setting. They walked off because of
arguments with Baldwin. I mean, there was arguments below beyond
(18:51):
and so there was a big, big point there that
something could have developed from that point of view, and
it could be something that they set them up or
somebody had an arrangement that they were going to do this.
That I think those cases, that case is still going on,
You're probably still going to see something else coming on
from this thing. So I don't say there's one person too.
(19:12):
But now that the woman got arrested and now we'll
see what happens now with Baldwin. He thought he was
going to be out of the case, but now he's
back in, so they still have information.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I mean, these cases obviously are different in circumstances, but
it's definite. You know, there's similarities with how you know,
evidence seems like it's coming out at later dates. They're
finding out more information. But also really the authorities are
not just giving into one Okay, this is who it was.
They're actually finding enough evidence or or learning about things
(19:47):
enough to say, wait, there's more to this than what
really meets to the eye, what would look like, Okay, wow,
this makes sense, this is what happened. There's really, you know,
a lot of unraveling and peeling back of the onion
that's going on with both of these cases. And I'm
so excited that I can have you back on the
radio show tonight. To really be following both of these
(20:07):
cases because I know with the radio show Insight into
Healing Investigative Insights and the Alexao segment of Investigative Insights,
We're going to keep following both of these And I
would also like to invite the listeners and the viewers
that if they have any questions or any opinions or insights,
(20:27):
to please share them with us, and there you can
send us an email at Insight into Healing at gmail
dot com or direct message on Facebook at Askalxatherapy or
on Instagram so we can keep following this. And Vito,
I know I've been speaking to you about the very
exciting news. Our segments of Investigative Insights has been accepted
(20:49):
to many film festivals and we just won our first award,
so we are an award winning participant and award winning
person our show on another film festival, and it's been
just so exciting and just I can't believe it, and
we have so many more festivals to go. But I'm
very very exciting. I also have some more exciting news
(21:10):
that I'll be able to start announcing, like I'm not
allowed to announce now for non disclosure, but i have
a lot of exciting news about investigative insights and ask
Alexi therapy, the Alexa show that I cannot wait, and definitely, Beto,
I'm going to have to have you back on for
all these developing stories.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well, I want to congratulate you for your shows, and
I thank you for being making me a part of
your show, which is great for me. And this is
my world and I'm looking forward to doing more with
this thing and maybe we could get more interesting parts
into it as time goes on. But I could see
(21:52):
that these both cases have not stopped. They just continuing
and continuing. But it's not from a point of view,
no going nowhere. But this is something going on here,
and not only with Alex case in New Mexico, but
over here which is very serious of course, with the
defour murders, maybe six murders. This is very very serious
(22:15):
right now. So I hope that they can get more
information and so forth, and remember they're going to have
enough information on to go forward with. Whether it be
Rex or someone else, we don't know. But right now
Rex Hofferman is the key subject. Though it seems like
everything is shifting into his corner. So let's see how
(22:37):
they're going to pack that in and solidly make it
as a case, and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Because you know, I'm getting so much feedback on these
segments of investigative insights. The public really wants to know,
They really want to know what's going on, and I
think so many times things aren't so open and close shut.
But I know you, with your background in law enforcement
and investigation, you know that better than anyone. Sometimes it
really points to one person and then years later there's
(23:05):
evidence or different findings. So it's important that we always
you know, keep that open mind and really be able
to you know, reflect, but also really research both sides.
And that's what's so great with having you on the
show is having you from the law enforcement from your
background and knowledge and law enforcement and investigation, and then
my background and mental health and and you know, being
(23:28):
able to really analyze that both sides and the forensic side,
and really, you know, I find we'd come to things
and discussions that maybe weren't really even thought of. But
just bringing up these discussions, we can really flesh out
more details.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, my twenty four years in the New York City
Police Department and many many years as being a detective
in the Manhattan disc Attorney's office under Robert Morganda, who
was the disc attorney involved, and I worked under him
for many, many years. We've had cases similar to this
and type of situations with massive murderers, serial killers. We've
(24:06):
had these kinds of things, and I've been participant in
these kind of situations, whether it be an investigative or
or an arrest process. But I've been involved with this,
so I have a real good feel of these things sometimes.
So as we say, I'm interested, it's a great that's
my world, as we might say in the book. And
(24:29):
I'm looking forward to working more with this with you,
and I think you and I have a good combo
on this thing, and maybe we could have a big
interest as to how it's going to develop and where
we're going with this. So I'm very happy about everything.
I got a little fuck. It happens.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That's what happens, live right now. It's real, it happens.
We're human, and you know, for all the listeners, we're
going to keep stollowing these cases. This is a special
Investigative Insights edition of Insight into Healing. As the cases
go by and more evidence comes out you keep sending
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(25:13):
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(25:34):
you providing our viewpoints and our feelings and what's going
on in the world today.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
That's that's that's something that I'm glad you're into that
position right now. And again I congratulate you, and this
whole project is going in the right direction. And I'm
glad that I'm part of this little part of this
whole operation with you, Alexa. Don't You're a big part
(26:01):
of it. And thank you and ready to go.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yes, I've been getting emails and calls from Keith and
everyone at the station. They said, all I just needs
more more episodes with Veto what are you two coming on?
We love him, we love his viewfuls, we love the
explore more cases. So they want you back at the station.
We'll have to book something very soon.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Well that that's really nice and I appreciate that and
it makes me feel good too. But I'll give you
all the experience I have whatever it might be, and
you know you count on me on that.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Great Thank you again everyone, Thanks for tuning in. Everyone,
have a good night and God bless
My name is Alexa. Hi everyone, and welcome back to
Insight into Healing. My name is Alexa Servo DiDio and
I'm your host. Thank you so much for tuning in tonight. Well,
tonight we're having a special edition of Insight into Healing.
This will be the investigative insights you've seen, investigative insights.
(00:24):
I'm the Alexa Show for the last three or four episodes,
as we are following many major crimes, cold cases and
serial killers. Tonight we are going back and researching and
really analyzing the new developments and the Gilgo Beach murders
again with us. I have veto Bruno, veto thank you
(00:44):
so much for coming on again and helping us dive
deeper into this case to keep more things just keep
popping up as the months go by.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes, thank you very much again for inviting me back
to this and I do get the this thing going
because this is very very interesting case, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yes, And for those who have not been watching the news,
the latest developments are there's been more studies, but they've
also been more they're doing more searches in the Manorville
section of Long Island, and we know they're saying there
was rex Huroerman is saying in his defense that there
was another suspect, but the past DA or the police
(01:28):
seem to have dropped the ball. This is what rex
Huerman is saying, something to that degree, and his lawyer
wants them to research more into that. So supposedly, from
what I've been looking at and researching that the Manorville
investigation might not be connected to him, but they are
doing a search. What is your take on that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Well, you can't let anything go by, you know, there's
only assumption. Maybe they of course obviously no more than
we do as we talk, but just taking what we
know at this point in time, I feel very positive
that there is more to it to that Maner build
than we're looking at. First of all, it's very difficult
(02:11):
because there's so much grounds to cover, and they have
a lot of different units. The first time I've ever
seen the New York City Police Department in Suffolk County,
which is helping their brothers out there to obviously check
and search the areas out there with their dogs, which
is super and you need all the help you can
get because it's just so much grounds up there, and
(02:34):
it's really, really, really difficult to where you're going. But
I still feel there is an indication that they have something.
That's why they're doing it. There's something that is alive
and come to them directly, whether it be from DNA
or somebody reveals something to them, I don't know. We
don't know exactly yet. We'll find out as time goes on.
(02:55):
But I still feel that, you know, they did a
lot of DNA testing, not only with the suspect where
he works in the city, but they went to his office.
They found a lot of things that they took over
by from the subpoenas, from the course they got to
all the parties that they wanted to get for evidence
that they might have been picking up something. Who knows.
(03:17):
I don't know how the honey found them originally was
from a slice of pizza. The DNA was on a
slice of pizza, So you know, there are things there
that sometimes it takes time to time time, but this
is a priority. I think they're looking at it very
very seriously, of course, and they're doing I think as
best the job as they can do.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I mean, is it possible that this whole search and
Manerville could have been sparked by Rex here and the
legal teams saying something about the past suspect, or do
you believe maybe that was just the smoke and mirrors
from his team, that maybe this is really something connected
to him or possibility connect to the past suspect.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, I still think he's a very bright man. He
knows what he's knowing as far as is logic of thinkings,
and he has a very nice job, and I still
feel that he knows. I think it's all connected to him.
That's my opinion. But you know, again, I don't know
what they have, but as far as I could see,
(04:23):
I think that's more from his end than anybody else
at this point in time. And that's where I'm.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Going about it. We discussed on the Alexis Show Investigative
Insights that they had found old flip phones and things
like that in his possession, supposedly from prior victims, which one,
you know, how do you how do you have those
if you're not connected to the victims. I'm wondering if
there was another accomplice or something else that that happened
(04:55):
in Manville, because if it is from all those years,
are these are they looking for for the people from
the past, maybe victims from that far back or would
it be maybe recent victims or not ones that were
so so many years ago. And it'll be very interesting
because obviously there's something that has been going on, and
I wasn't aware that the New York City Police were
(05:16):
actually involved in this. This really kind of really brings
a different type of level to this case. And if
this recent findings that they're looking for.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent, because I think,
if I'm not mistaken, this was the first time that
the police were asked to come out and continue to
search with the Suffolk County PD and the disc Attorney's
office to everybody's hands on with this case, which is great. Well, again,
(05:48):
I'm looking on it from what looking at it from
all all different angles. He's the suspect here, have been
problems with him in the past, even in the schools.
He tried to terrible rating with schools. The subject is.
But he's very intelligent. You know what he's doing. I
could see it from his moves and things like that,
(06:10):
so I wouldn't count him out. But then again, you know,
when they find things and they go on the trail
of things and finding there's always a possibility of finding
something else truthfully, that's not connected to him, And that's
always possible too, because there's a lot of territory out there,
and that seems to be one of the agents.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Could the evidence still be viable after all these years
if it was from many many years ago, I mean,
how real and viable could that evidence be instead of
maybe decay or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Well, that's true too, that's true too. Yeah, that's always
a strong possibility unless something when in the timeframe there
was another murder and somebody else puts the individual buried
in that particular area or parts of the body in
that area, which again we don't know, but very possible.
(07:02):
But as time goes on, if it's been many, many,
many many years ago, I don't think that you can
get anything out of that. So right now we've just
got to look at what we have. But I think
they have a clue that there's still something going on
with that, and why they're going back to Manerville. That's
very interesting. And I still think, and you know, I
(07:22):
go back again to the family that somebody, you know,
they interviewed people from the family, and nobody seemed to
have ever heard or known that he did anything or
they had a suspicion of him, and that's amazing that
nobody knew anything. I just don't follow that. Now, somebody
had to know something or something A little bit, a
lot of it, I don't know, but it's possible too
(07:43):
in that respect, you know, yes, because you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Don't really hear anything from the family or any background
or any information on them. And a lot of times,
you know, I know, yes, they have specific shots they
show of Rex hereman in and out of court or whatever,
but there's no you know, coming from a psychoanalytic view,
there's no expression on his face. There's no it's blank.
(08:09):
And you would think someone in this type being accused
of these crimes, if you're innocent or you know, going
through such stressful period, there would be some emotion. But
if you really look, there is that blank stare on
his face. There's nothing behind his eyes. It's chilling. If
you really just look into his eyes, what you feel
(08:29):
and seeing the vibe you get from him.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, I didn't see him personally. Excuse me, hond I'm
only looking at pictures of him on computers and so forth.
But I could see what you're saying, and I agree
with you. He has that look of it and the
way he's developed himself, even in the courtroom. I've seen
pictures of him in the courtroom. He's very strong in
(08:55):
his own belief in what he does. The only thing
I don't understand, and I think he probably got there
was some point that he was calling one of the
persons that got killed or he killed their family, and
he taunted them a little bit. Now you know, he's
been coming alive a little bit. You know, maybe things
(09:15):
are bothering him on certain things. I don't know, and
that's possible, but he has done that to pass.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
With and that's been proven that that was him. Is
he admitting that or has that been proven?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yes, No, he did, Yes, he did admit it. So
they had some evidence even on that from DNA that
they've gotten and so there's a lot of different areas
that they've connected. That's why they've connected to him, and
that's why they arrested him for the allegedly the attempted
a murder of these four individuals. Now it could be six.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So we know these individuals are not a stranger to him,
which when you think about that, who really has you
know it's familiar or has connection to four to six
people that have been murdered. I mean, there's something obviously
a little fishy about that that why would these connections,
(10:09):
why would it be having contact flip phones, making phone calls,
taunting them. That's another thing, you know, relationship.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And he had some some situations with some of the
sex companies what he's been dealing with from the past,
but is they've gotten that out of his phone. So
he's been that kind of an individual that he loves
the sexual approaches or things. And all these individuals that
(10:41):
got killed, they are discorts, prostitutes and I think all
of them, I guess before them are allegedly prostitutes. And
if in that kind of category, that was where he
was looking at from that point of view. So I mean,
there's a lot of things just shifts constantly back to him,
(11:03):
and I think they're still moving on it. They probably
have other things that they're looking at, excuse me, And
I think that that's where they're trying to build up
the case solidly so that there's no holes in this
type of thing. And they want to get this thing
done as best as possible and make sure that it's
done properly, and which they are doing but the search
(11:25):
right now is really really a massive, massive undergoing because
there's so much territory out there. But seemingly they know
of kind of where they're going with this thing, I think,
and that's why the police was told or asked to
come out and you know, provide some more of help
(11:45):
out there. So they are doing what they can with
their dogs, the canine units, So it's it's really a
big help for searching in this particular point.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So what I find fascinating after all these years, we're
finding more and more evidence, you know, a couple of
years here, a couple of years there. The evidence just
keeps coming out again, and you're wondering, what whoever did this?
You know, I know it's all pointing towards Rex that
there must have been a real mastermind of hiding this evidence.
(12:19):
And now are they feeling as many serial killers do
kind of like to taunt the police and like to
be known. Or was it maybe someone really not able
to uncover, really checking out thoroughly all the leads that
they had, because they were a lot of leads many
many years ago when this first case came out. There
was a psychiatrist, there was you know, different people so
(12:40):
it's interesting how all of a sudden, different years go by,
all this evidence is mounting.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well, that's that's true too. I mean, you know, way
way back, going back to it twenty years ago. I mean,
they didn't have the providing the necessary means to to
obtain things like they do as far as the DNA
and so forth, which really classified somebody as the person
(13:08):
that they're looking for. That became a huge, huge help
in the police department, in the law enforcement, I should say.
So because of all that, I think that it's gotten
to that point where some cases have been lost and
many have been picked up, and as you would see,
as time goes on, they find things else and they
(13:30):
have much more i would say, scientific ways of picking
things up to even law enforcement with the FBI, and
they could do kind of miracle work sometimes in that respect.
And so you know, years ago, things you find a
slice of pizza, they would never even looked at it. Basically,
(13:53):
they probably would have, but they don't have the research
of it to find out if anything's on that a
pizza of the t A or anything like that. They
weren't doing it many many, many years ago. So there
are things that they've progressed over the law enforcement over
the years, which has helped them tremendously. I still feel
my opinion is that it's all goes back to the
(14:15):
manner with him. That's my opinion right now, and we'll
see as it goes along. But you know, he said
he's not he's not bleeding to anything, he's not guilty.
I understand all that. But they seem to be working
up a project here, so I give a lot of
encouragement to that respect, and hopefully if that's the case, fine,
(14:36):
I'm not saying that's totally in but they seem to
be getting a lot of evidence and whatever else they have.
Of course they won't reveal it at this point in time,
but yes, I still think so to the.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Audience, we just we sit and we wait and we
watch and wonder how long. Just when we think it's over,
it's the new evidence. Just a couple of months ago,
when we were in the studio, we thought, okay, this
is coming to a close, and now this new evidence
comes out. So it's it's kind of what the real
you know, Cliffhanger, waiting to find out. I could only
imagine for those families of those victims, the ups and
(15:13):
downs they must be going through.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well, that was something similar, but not in the same direction.
But the Bolden case a couple of years ago, the movie. Yeah,
it was the same thing that they kept looking at it,
and they had a lot of evidence coming in, or
at least they were talking to many of the people
down there, and there was a lot of situations that
(15:35):
were going to the help to hopefully the police down there,
and they finally found where they'd be going to at
this point, and now there's a couple of a recipian
made even the act there, got arrested, and now there's
well originally he wasn't, but then they did the the
(15:58):
what you what I'm saying for a minute.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I mean, what do you think about the armorer being sentenced?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yes, yes, I tell you, that's that's amazing. I don't
I don't know where that thing came from. I wasn't
even including her in the beginning. But as time went on,
you know, there's there's still something still going on with
this case, and they still haven't indicted I think they're
indicted Baldwin on this thing at this point, because in
(16:26):
the originally they were going to not indict them, or
they weren't going to arrest them, but as time went on,
they picked up more information and then they finally indicted him.
And he's still now still not of the woods with everything.
So the prosecutor is now going after him totally. So
we'll see what happens. He's going to be coming up next.
But that I guess. The woman was arrested for an
(16:49):
untentional manslaughter. To see what happens with him now. But
there is some things because when I originally talked about
this whole incident, were once one of the pigs practice
in this case the bullet in the gun, and he
admitted that he fired the gun at the woman. I mean,
but the point was who put that bullet in the gun?
(17:09):
They won't bring that out, And I don't know why.
That was a very major point here because I couldn't
understand it. Even I talked to some of my comments,
the guys that I've worked with for years that know
the business and law enforcement. They couldn't understand why this
was not brought out. But finally I think they're looking
at it, so maybe we're getting more and more information
(17:33):
on that. So that case is not over yet. That's
still going on.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
No and I think that just the fact alone that
they sentenced her, they found her guilty the armorer, that
shows that this is not just an accident that happened,
that there was something going on on. That sentence all no,
we've discussed before, sounds like negligence, sounds like, you know,
(17:59):
as you maybe said, we were talking about maybe someone
not happy with Alec, not happy with with what's going
on with the set. A lot of negligence with why
was there bullets real bullets? Why all these different something
with safety negligence, I would say, And you know, a
lot of resentment and anger going sounds like on that
(18:19):
set that you know, who knows who was the real
target of that bullet that he said before? Was it
a scare or was it meant to really be lethal
as it turned.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Out to be? Who you're absolutely your absolutely correct, because
there were so many of them that they had very
upsetting interviewers down there with the people that worked there,
and they quit the setting. They walked off because of
arguments with Baldwin. I mean, there was arguments below beyond
(18:51):
and so there was a big, big point there that
something could have developed from that point of view, and
it could be something that they set them up or
somebody had an arrangement that they were going to do this.
That I think those cases, that case is still going on,
You're probably still going to see something else coming on
from this thing. So I don't say there's one person too.
(19:12):
But now that the woman got arrested and now we'll
see what happens now with Baldwin. He thought he was
going to be out of the case, but now he's
back in, so they still have information.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I mean, these cases obviously are different in circumstances, but
it's definite. You know, there's similarities with how you know,
evidence seems like it's coming out at later dates. They're
finding out more information. But also really the authorities are
not just giving into one Okay, this is who it was.
They're actually finding enough evidence or or learning about things
(19:47):
enough to say, wait, there's more to this than what
really meets to the eye, what would look like, Okay, wow,
this makes sense, this is what happened. There's really, you know,
a lot of unraveling and peeling back of the onion
that's going on with both of these cases. And I'm
so excited that I can have you back on the
radio show tonight. To really be following both of these
(20:07):
cases because I know with the radio show Insight into
Healing Investigative Insights and the Alexao segment of Investigative Insights,
We're going to keep following both of these And I
would also like to invite the listeners and the viewers
that if they have any questions or any opinions or insights,
(20:27):
to please share them with us, and there you can
send us an email at Insight into Healing at gmail
dot com or direct message on Facebook at Askalxatherapy or
on Instagram so we can keep following this. And Vito,
I know I've been speaking to you about the very
exciting news. Our segments of Investigative Insights has been accepted
(20:49):
to many film festivals and we just won our first award,
so we are an award winning participant and award winning
person our show on another film festival, and it's been
just so exciting and just I can't believe it, and
we have so many more festivals to go. But I'm
very very exciting. I also have some more exciting news
(21:10):
that I'll be able to start announcing, like I'm not
allowed to announce now for non disclosure, but i have
a lot of exciting news about investigative insights and ask
Alexi therapy, the Alexa show that I cannot wait, and definitely, Beto,
I'm going to have to have you back on for
all these developing stories.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Well, I want to congratulate you for your shows, and
I thank you for being making me a part of
your show, which is great for me. And this is
my world and I'm looking forward to doing more with
this thing and maybe we could get more interesting parts
into it as time goes on. But I could see
(21:52):
that these both cases have not stopped. They just continuing
and continuing. But it's not from a point of view,
no going nowhere. But this is something going on here,
and not only with Alex case in New Mexico, but
over here which is very serious of course, with the
defour murders, maybe six murders. This is very very serious
(22:15):
right now. So I hope that they can get more
information and so forth, and remember they're going to have
enough information on to go forward with. Whether it be
Rex or someone else, we don't know. But right now
Rex Hofferman is the key subject. Though it seems like
everything is shifting into his corner. So let's see how
(22:37):
they're going to pack that in and solidly make it
as a case, and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Because you know, I'm getting so much feedback on these
segments of investigative insights. The public really wants to know,
They really want to know what's going on, and I
think so many times things aren't so open and close shut.
But I know you, with your background in law enforcement
and investigation, you know that better than anyone. Sometimes it
really points to one person and then years later there's
(23:05):
evidence or different findings. So it's important that we always
you know, keep that open mind and really be able
to you know, reflect, but also really research both sides.
And that's what's so great with having you on the
show is having you from the law enforcement from your
background and knowledge and law enforcement and investigation, and then
my background and mental health and and you know, being
(23:28):
able to really analyze that both sides and the forensic side,
and really, you know, I find we'd come to things
and discussions that maybe weren't really even thought of. But
just bringing up these discussions, we can really flesh out
more details.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well, my twenty four years in the New York City
Police Department and many many years as being a detective
in the Manhattan disc Attorney's office under Robert Morganda, who
was the disc attorney involved, and I worked under him
for many, many years. We've had cases similar to this
and type of situations with massive murderers, serial killers. We've
(24:06):
had these kinds of things, and I've been participant in
these kind of situations, whether it be an investigative or
or an arrest process. But I've been involved with this,
so I have a real good feel of these things sometimes.
So as we say, I'm interested, it's a great that's
my world, as we might say in the book. And
(24:29):
I'm looking forward to working more with this with you,
and I think you and I have a good combo
on this thing, and maybe we could have a big
interest as to how it's going to develop and where
we're going with this. So I'm very happy about everything.
I got a little fuck. It happens.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That's what happens, live right now. It's real, it happens.
We're human, and you know, for all the listeners, we're
going to keep stollowing these cases. This is a special
Investigative Insights edition of Insight into Healing. As the cases
go by and more evidence comes out you keep sending
in your emails about any cases or these two cases
we've been addressing. We will be doing you know, special
(25:13):
editions of radio shows, but then also the Alexa Show
in station in the studio, so please keep a lookout
for that, and you can also find us on my
YouTube channel, Ask Alexa Therapy. Keep watching, keep sending in
your questions to insight into healing at gmail dot com,
and we will just keep following this case and giving
(25:34):
you providing our viewpoints and our feelings and what's going
on in the world today.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
That's that's that's something that I'm glad you're into that
position right now. And again I congratulate you, and this
whole project is going in the right direction. And I'm
glad that I'm part of this little part of this
whole operation with you, Alexa. Don't You're a big part
(26:01):
of it. And thank you and ready to go.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yes, I've been getting emails and calls from Keith and
everyone at the station. They said, all I just needs
more more episodes with Veto what are you two coming on?
We love him, we love his viewfuls, we love the
explore more cases. So they want you back at the station.
We'll have to book something very soon.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Well that that's really nice and I appreciate that and
it makes me feel good too. But I'll give you
all the experience I have whatever it might be, and
you know you count on me on that.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Great Thank you again everyone, Thanks for tuning in. Everyone,
have a good night and God bless
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