January 26, 2024 • 29 mins
Special Edition With Guest Vito Bruno: We will be explroing and analyzing the latest developments in the Alec Baldwin and case and The Gilgo Beach Viewing these cases with a forensic lense, as wellas, a mental health perspective.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Loop Host Radio, loop Host Radio. Hi everyone, and welcome
back to Insight into Healing. Thank you so much for
tuning in tonight and sending in your questions each week
to Insight into Healing at gmail dot com. Well tonight,
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I have such an incredible guest with us. I have
Veto Bruno. He's a retired New York City detective and
was assigned as an investigator to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office.
Veto has been on my television show, The Alexa Show,
and also has started the new segment of The Alexa Show,
Investigative Insights, where we are exploring and analyzing serial killers
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and cold case mass murderers and serial killers, looking at
the mental health side, but also the forensic side. Tonight,
we are going to be exploring and analyzing the new
developments and Alec bal Baldwin case, but also the Gilgo
Beach murders. Vito, welcome back. I'm so excited to have
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you back on my shows.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thank you very much. I'm excited at myself. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yes, and it's been so exciting in the news. I
don't know where to start, but let's start with Alec Baldwin.
So much is coming up with this case, and you
said years ago when you were on the Alexa Show,
you pulled out some really great insights and things that
you've noticed. What do you think now that's what's coming
out into the news.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, I think that this is the point that I've
been dealing with listening to this case. They should have
done this from the onset, but you know, this is
not late in the game, but it should have been
done earlier. This is the right charges that the grand
jury just proposed on Alec Baldwin because of this case,
and then it should have been done a long time ago.
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But that's the way that things go sometimes with the
criminals us the system. But I'm glad that they indicted
him on this particular thing. I don't want to say
that this is all alleged that I'm saying, because I
don't know all the facts either, but I do know
some of the indications of what they've done, and I
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don't see basically how he would not why the prosecutors
dropped the case on him, if that's what originally happened here,
and that's real stun me a little bit. But gladly
that this case was brought to the grand jury and
they indicted him an unintentional manslaughter, which carries a felony weight.
This what should have been. Because there's so many points
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to this case that really stops me a little bit
that hasn't been shown proven yet, And that's why I
want to just bring out a few highlight quickly, if
I may, is that, Okay, I would have been.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
One thing what I saw, you know. That's what we
were saying in the beginning, when we first started looking
at this case a couple of years ago. They were saying,
my listeners who are not too familiar, is that Alex
came was very quick to be on television and say
what he wanted to say and give him his side
of the story, which is one very rare for anyone
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accused of such a crime, but such a heinous crime,
to come speak freely and be interviewed on television. That
he did not pull the trigger, He wasn't really part
of this. And now the developments that are coming up
looks like they're alleging that the gun couldn't have gone
off by itself without someone pulling the trigger, and everything
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that he was promoting and sticking by in the beginning
has really taken a turn. Do you feel like your
points are familiar with that, because I know you've been
stating this for a while now that there's something a
little off with this case.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely, from the moment going, I saw the
things wrong going with this the way they were looking
at it, just to mere fact of being more specific
out of it. Take at gun that they use as
a prop, and the show has six points of bullets
being put in, and all these bullets should be like
prop bullets, but they're not live. However, one of those
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rounds that came out that was live, And the only
thing that I'm looking at here was that he should
have been the person, the last person. There's usually two
people that checked the guns before they use them, even
though they're propped, but Alex is the last person that
has to review the gun. Now, whether he did it
or did not, I don't know, but I think he
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failed in that respect. And the next round that came
out was the live round that killed that individual that
female missus hutcheson, which is totally terrible, and also the
one of the film directors that got hit also with
the bullet. Now, somebody either put that bullet in that
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chamber that would be the next discharge because when you
pull the trigger on the gun, the cylinder goes from
right to left, and being all these stones are prompt bullets,
the one that would pull would go out will be
the next round that you pull the trigger. And unfortunately,
that was the round that came out. So someone, in
my opinion, had that bullet put in specifically, that's my
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opinion only. And because that round came out right away,
it wasn't there. Normally it would have been in the fourth,
fifth round, but it was the next round when you
pulled the revolver that it comes right out, and so
that's somebody had to plant that thing the way it is,
that's my opinion. And uh, and I know he said
he never shot the gun off. You know that this
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is while he opened the door. He opened the door
to himself and he slammed it himself from the same directions.
So that's how crazy that statement was. He thinks like
like a gun goes by itself. The FBI checked it out,
and also, I take another unit from the police department,
is plausible that what would shoot honestly, they wouldn't have
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to be held back on any fact that it doesn't
go off by itself, and so somebody had to pull
the trigger. And he said he never pulled the trigger. Well,
that's right. There is to me that that's that's a
great statement from them, a real great statement. I don't
mean in a plus factory either.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
No. Now, and what really brings up this question because
I'm not really familiar with what bullets look like. Is
a prop bullet and a real bullet? One? Do they
look alike? Would they be? Could someone with the naked
eye professional or not know the difference? And two? Why
was a real bullet on set? And three as if
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you're saying you would the bullet comes in and has
to be loaded, then someone really knew a live bullet
with being put in there, I mean tend Would someone
know the difference between a prop bullet and a real bullet?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes, well they would because they've used it so many
times in the past. You know, they're not knew what
this world of the bullets and the guns, but they
knew exactly what they're looking at. If Alex looked at
that gun the way it is, he would have known
that there's props and he would have checked the cylinder,
opened it up first to look at the bullets itself,
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and the live one would be much different than the prop.
But I don't think he opened it up. Obviously he didn't.
He didn't look himself, so somebody fell there. Two people
already supposedly checked the gun, and then he went and
checked his He didn't check it, and then that that
bullet came out. So who where goes that information? I
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don't know. I don't know if they're looking into this thing,
they don't bring it up too much. But I'm really
really shocked the point of that he did pull the trigger,
that the live round did come out. The live round
doesn't come out unless it's been planted there in the
right spot when the revolver the cylinder moves like you know.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
This would be prematit, would you say, because someone would
have to put exactly I just feel that.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm sorry. I would still say there's something, there's something,
there's something more to this. I still don't buy the
whole story with this thing. It's there's something missing here somewhere.
And you know, of course they know all the facts
which we don't, and we only get trips and drafts
of when it comes out in the media. But again,
I'm just saying, but at least they got one thing
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was that they went to the UH into the grand
jury and they presented the evidence and the grand jury
UH induted Alec Baldwin on involuntary manslaughter, which is a
fellowy way. At least you got that thing going right now.
But why the prosecutors, you know, that's why the late
what goes on here in this country. The prosecutors don't
want to put charges on people to let them go.
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And I think in this case, the prosecute I just
didn't want to put John just against Alix, so that
let the face to be dismissed and that I couldn't
understand that one at all. But I do understand that
the way that the the criminal justice system is being
worked of recent in the last couple of years is horrible,
horrible throughout this country.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So it's really I mean, I wasn't familiar, you know,
I wasn't very familiar about the differences between prop and
real bullets. And I mean the fact that this case
would even be dismissed, that this was is frightening that,
you know, if someone would know the difference and then
someone intentionally put this on put this in it's you know,
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him not having any type of liability or responsibility of
who was on set. If he I's not him putting
a live bullet in. Why wouldn't anyone do so many
different checks? Why do you think you know he got
away from this so long? Do you think because of
his his elite status in Hollywood?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh? Absolutely absolutely, because they were in like a bubble
form in Hollywood with the lawyers and the way that
the system goes today with how would they call it.
I wouldn't say corrupt system, but I do have a
failing that the system is more corrupted they than before.
And so he does fit himself into a bubble situation
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where they can't touch him. He has lawyers that of
course you know various. Of course they have names. They
are very expensive attorneys, and so they get the light
of this thing. So he does. He has the money,
he's got the cloud, He can do it what he wants,
and he can get the best of the best out there,
but the best his cause and this thing for the
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charges to be dropped. That's why you get these lawyers.
And it wasn't no other fact that but these lawyers
might have had a deal with someone and they found
out that they went with the prosecute. I'm not saying
there's that part that something happened there, but something actually
did happen eventually, who had a prosecutors dropped this jouge
and they didn't let him go. So I didn't understand
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that at all, but I do understand it.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And if you think back, you know, he was so
everybody was so blindsided that he was so quick to
get on television and say he didn't pull the pull
the trigger. Maybe if he didn't even come on television
and say that, and now that this new evidence came out,
he might have might have had a better chance to
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fight it. But I'm thinking if he came out and
said I didn't pull out pull the trigger, and then
the evidence points to I don't know, I'm just saying,
hypothetically points that he did pull the trigger, how do
you get how do you get out of that one?
Because I mean, I was shocked the lawyer and she
would say that he could go on television and say that.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, the look of this whole situation from the onset
before we talked about pulling the trigger. Someone had to
pull that live round into that ceylinder, that was the
part of this whole thing that started this whole thing.
If that there was no live rounds in there, even
though he pulled that trigger, nothing would have happened. But
someone pulled that had a live round in there, and
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it's just so happened that that live round came up
with the click of the of the when you pull
that trigger, that was the next live The next round
would have been a prop, but this time it was
a live round, and someone pointed put it in to
that particular point so that it would be well. Again,
I'm not saying that this was deliberately against Alex. Maybe
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it was because he had a lot of problems out
there at the time, but a lot of the workers
out there that a lot of them walked off to
the set. There were a lot of arguments, a lot
of fights going on at the time with the when
they were trying to do this show out there in
the movie. So there was a lot of a lot
of problems with Alex and people out there. And this
is nothing new. He always gets into kind of terminal
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arguments with a lot of different people. He's been in
the news constantly for that. Though. I'm not saying that
caught it, But there's somebody had put that bullet in there,
and that should have been a prompt bullet, but it wasn't.
There was a life bullet, and that's why that when
he pulled the trigger. If it was a prop, there
would have been no problem. But this time it's live
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and that was the next round came off. Of course,
unfortunately that lady had gotten killed out of this thing
and the other person got wounded. You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Any think then you think who was that bullet? Who
was that bullet really intended for? Wasn't a way to
get alec in trouble on set? Was it really meant
to shoot someone? Because I wasn't meant to shoot the
camera woman, wasn't meant to shoot the other character who
was supposed to be I don't know what the dialogue
or the scene was really supposed to be. But was
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it to shoot another actor? Was it to scare the
whole set? If it was aimed at? You know, because
the bullet from what I'm sit hearing a gun it
should never be a play or not should not be
pointed even if you believe there's steak bullets in it
at a real person. So there's so many different letyers.
Was it meant to scare the set or was it
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really meant to hurt somebody, to kill somebody fatally?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, you know, they know more about this than we do, obviously,
and there's something that, like I said, there's something more
to it. Ill don't put the finger on it. Why
that bullet was put in there? For what reason? Was
it against Alec? I don't think it was against that lady.
I got it very very much, but it was something
that shows And now the woman dies out of a shooting.
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Now all of this goes to Ali with somebody setting
Alex up for this thing. I don't know. These are
things that you can't answer because they don't have They
don't put things in the media, so you don't know
what's going on out there. And that's one of the
big problems too, is that we're just trying to assume
we're getting right now which way it's going. But the
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bottom line is there was a bullet in there, a
live bullet. It went off, and he's the one that
pulled the trigger. And they never really focused on that.
Who put the bullet in that gun? I don't see
that too much over here. Now A long time ago. Yes,
now they were talking about the bullet, but not now.
They don't say nothing about it. Why I don't understand that.
I really don't understand this. Then, so.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We'll learn more. When do you think there'll be more
information at it? Do you think it's going to be
quiet until it really starts to do the case?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I think so. This, this particular thing opened the doors,
especially when the Grain jury indicted him. Now, if had
they not indicted and the Grain jury put a no
bail or no more indictment, then he would have gotten
away with it, truthfully. But the thing was, the prosecutors
dropped the case and they felt that they throw it
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into the Grain jury and they'll probably drop it to
But they didn't. The Grain jury saw the evidence and
they felt that he should be involved with this unintentional
voluntary manslaughter, so they brought a charge against them. This
is not against the prosecutors. The prosecutors didn't want to
do it, but the grand jury did, so that was
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the main factor here. Had it not been to the
grand jury, he probably would have been off the hook
with everything period and the only thing he would probably
be sued for would be civil from from the family.
Would go after him. But you know, other than that
the criminal. But still this thing is smoking. He's done
on this thing. It's still not finished. I still feel
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something more is going on here, and so I don't
think it's the It's not over over over, as I
must say in the book. You know, still get all
the other You.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Called this years ago, You called this years ago on set,
you said the same thing, and we both were saying,
there's something not adding up on this case exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You know, when I looked when I a shorter case,
much is that we all knew about the case at
the time, which is very very little. And I've had
some cases not as prominent is that this kind of
a case with the well known actor and all that.
But I've had some things in the past with that
type of a thing. But just the fact that being
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investigated from the Manhattan Disk Attorney's office, they put us
through a lot of sort of lessons on these certain
it's certain individuals and certain things that develop in these cases.
And we always looked at that thing, but this was
more came out so quickly that you know, with the
bullet and the gun and who pulled the trigger. And
then he says, I never pulled the trigger, and he
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held the gun in his hand and the bullet came home.
It's not a it's something that I can't believe, like
he just stepped into quicksand with this thing, and there
was something in the exactly exactly he could have gotten.
He could have got away with that at that particular moment,
I think. But again, whatever evidence they threw into the
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grand jury, whatever sparked this thing, he got to the
light of the grand jury and they indicted him, which
was the thing here that I was hoping they would do.
I didn't even know that they were doing something of
that nature. I thought once the consecutors dropped the case here,
he's getting off the hook, as we say, and that's
what I thought would happen.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I thought we would never hear about it. Now as
the case goes on, I'm definitely gonna have you back on.
But I wanted to move on to our next case
that we've been working on, which has also had so
many new developments, is the Gilgo Beach murders. Now that
the fourth victim has been he's been charged with the
fourth victim. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Well, you know, I'm kind of not surprised because this
there's a lot of material that they found on what's
his name, Horman Herman. Yeah, they found a lot no
more evidence on him which is brought out now, which
puts puts more light into his type of thinking and
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the way he years. Even though he's got a very
nice job. He works very diligently with as being an architect,
and sometimes you don't spot these type of things, you know,
especially with things of that nature. You know, when they
call a serial killer, he's already had three bodies. Now
he's got the fourth one here, and it could be
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even one or two more or three more, who knows.
You know, there's other ones that are out there now
that I found out that he was doing a lot
of you know, talking on the porn show things that
he's at some burnt phones. He had a whole system
worked out that he would get into the into the
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backings of porn stations. He was dealing with a lot
of different people that were involved here with porn stuff.
Oh yeah, Yeah, they had a lot of stuff on
him right now, and there's quite a bit of things
as a matter of fact. And so even though they
even had they had gone to his office and they
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had a subpoena to get to look into his draws
and they found one of his burnt phones that he
had some numbers in there that went to porn stations
and things of that nature. So all of these type
of things. There's so much beyond that too, but that
I've been picking up that he's more into this porn
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things that I don't know. I don't notice this fellow,
but it seems like it's he's indebted to this kind
of a thing and.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Definitely sex working world sex and porn industry. He was
very maybe even a sex I mean, I would think
I would think, I mean, he's not my client. I
can't diagnose but a sex addiction. But then you think
about what about the grandiose feeling of he's untouchable even
you know, when you think about Alec too, why would
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he keep these burner phones how many years later in
his office around him? I mean, he basically looked like
he was going to be off scot free and get
away with all this. But I'm wondering, if may because
of new DNA, but also with all these different old
phones and different things, why would he keep a hold
of this unless that's something he likes to gloat and
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look at about how close a real sale killer is
into the world.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
A lot of times, the serial killers, they always leave
marks for themselves that someone could see it, like some
sort of indication of who who's doing it, who who
might be doing it. They little tail, little samples up
their work start to speak. That's what I think, And
I'm not saying that he's doing it from that point
of view, but you know, when he feels comfortable, and
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obviously he had been met a long time being comfortable,
he just continues to do what he's been doing. He
fully figures at this point in time nothing's going to
happen to him. So he could fail in his brain
and he could be doing he might be doing sculptings
other women, and at that point he's forgetting sometimes what
he's doing with other stuff. And that particular item was
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found in his draw at the office, so it could
be much more than that. They're following up on all
the phones. He's got a couple of burned phones, he's
got porn sets, he's got I mean, it just goes
into the stay and if it wasn't for the DNA,
they would have never really picked them up. On this thing.
They found out some good evidence on DNA and they
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got right to them and this DNA shows that this
came from three other women right down on his fourth
one here. This is again that he does a lot
of in the individually phone sets type things. He's got
some people that he's been working with. Now this is
going to probably be all investigated by the Suffolk disc
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attorneys that they have this case right now, and I
think what they we're trying to while we're trying to
talk about it, they're looking into it deeper and deeper
and deeper.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So health perspective, I'm wondering the more that I'm hearing
this since he did have a whole wasn't just you
know here and there with people in the sex industry
and the phone, the phone sex and the prostitutions. Was
it did he pick? If he's guilty, whoever?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Did it?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Are they because these women wouldn't be missed, or you know,
they put themselves in dangerous situations because of their jobs,
or was it a sex addiction taken to the next level,
Because a lot of times with any addiction, it gets
the high, chasing the high, the stakes get higher and higher,
and maybe you know, torturing or rough situations, rough sex
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or anything like that with these different women, wasn't enough anymore.
And like any true addiction, any true serial killer and
has it doesn't the impulse gets stronger, It doesn't satisfy
them as much as the first time. They need more
and more because they're hunger. Their appetite for the violence
gets greater and greater. And was this a really addiction
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taken to a really dangerous level. I mean, that would
be a very interesting area to find out more and
more has he had if this is a sex addiction
his whole life, and obviously were there signs when he
was younger, because usually this follows them through their life.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
What do you think about that? I think the sex
addition to this whole chase he was thrown into it.
I think he's more than what I'm reading and that
what I know. Uh, I think there's much much more
to him. He's been like this for Pony a long
long time, and he's been evaluating himself, doing his thing,
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and he's been probably pretty comfortable at what he's doing
because nobody's really picking it up. But this particular woman
the found was right in the proximity of where the
other ones were buried. And you know, it doesn't mean
like that's the end of it. He could be there
could be others still besides this, I think that was
an addiction to him with sex. I mean everything that
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I'm picking up on him all to do with sex.
On this guy, he's got nothing beyond you. Just don't
stop the addiction.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Don't just stop and addition, just don't stop every night,
because I think what you're saying, I have a feeling
there's going to be unfortunately, many more bodies, maybe not
just in New York. I mean because I believe he
traveled too, will be all over.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Well, you know too. I'm not saying that we just
taking a shot at this, you know, more than than
I would. But I've seen a lot of it. When
I was on the street patrol and playing Closed Division.
A lot of times the fellaws that they were doing things.
Sometimes they were getting turned turned off on girls, the
girls were turned off on guys, and maybe sometimes some
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of these girls and talking prostitutes, they didn't want to
be with him, you know, and he felt like an addiction,
like you're turning me down, you know, like now he's
going to be doubly forceful. You know, you're not turning
me down, you know, I don't, you know, because everything money. Yeah,
now he comes back triple zone, and if he gets
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turned down again because of his he's a big guy,
He's a very big guy. He could be forceful on
these people, you know. And I think that's part of
the point that I'm looking at too, is he could
have handled him very, very forcefully, and you know, like
you're gonna you're gonna get you turn me down, You're
gonna feel it. And that's the way my thoughts with him.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I'm wondering. Also maybe it was fueled by could be
rejection from the women that into what he was into,
and then that rejection and anger could have turned into
something maybe he wasn't planning on doing, and then turned
into a very violent, fatal encounter and then he realized, Wow,
I mean, it's you know, once you taste blood, once
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you get to a certain level, sometimes it's I would think,
especially with a mind like with a psychotic mind like that,
it's hard to turn back. And then that he found
a new high or a new way to fulfill his
fantasies exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I agree with you. One hundred percent, you know once
they start and they're so like the meaningless the mean
of how he can get because of his power and
big guy, he could do almost anything to a young girl,
to a to a young female without any you know,
bouncing back at him, so he could do things. And
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if the girl never wanted to do what he wanted
to do, that would be even much more that he
would throw into this whole system with his brain, like
you're turning me down what I want to do sexually,
then I'm going to show you something. And you know,
it just keeps going on and on, and unfortunately the
poor girl, he is the victim of this thing. So
you know that's when you see this thing happen.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
At the end of the show. Yes, I mean we're
at the end of the show. We have so much
more to explore, and we are going to be coming
back and I'm going to have Vito on the show
again more and more as more these developments come out,
so we can really explore them from the forensic side,
the criminal side, and the mental health side, and anyone
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if you have any questions or any cases you'd like
Vito and I to explore either on here the radio
Insight into Healing or on investigative insights. Please send an
email to Insight into Healing at gmail dot com with
any guest ideas, show ideas, cases. We'd love to address them.
And Vito, I'm definitely gonna have you on. We're going
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to be bringing you on here and there as these
developments start to come out. And I just wanted again
thank you so much for coming on and really sharing
all of your professional insights with us.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Well, thank you very much again, and I'm sure we're
going to be getting much more evidence as time goes
on with these cases, So thank you much for having
me on again.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Thank you absolutely, absolutely, and everyone again, thank you so
much for tuning in. Everyone, have a good night and
God bless
Speaker 2 (29:00):
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back to Insight into Healing. Thank you so much for
tuning in tonight and sending in your questions each week
to Insight into Healing at gmail dot com. Well tonight,
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I have such an incredible guest with us. I have
Veto Bruno. He's a retired New York City detective and
was assigned as an investigator to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office.
Veto has been on my television show, The Alexa Show,
and also has started the new segment of The Alexa Show,
Investigative Insights, where we are exploring and analyzing serial killers
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and cold case mass murderers and serial killers, looking at
the mental health side, but also the forensic side. Tonight,
we are going to be exploring and analyzing the new
developments and Alec bal Baldwin case, but also the Gilgo
Beach murders. Vito, welcome back. I'm so excited to have
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you back on my shows.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thank you very much. I'm excited at myself. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yes, and it's been so exciting in the news. I
don't know where to start, but let's start with Alec Baldwin.
So much is coming up with this case, and you
said years ago when you were on the Alexa Show,
you pulled out some really great insights and things that
you've noticed. What do you think now that's what's coming
out into the news.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, I think that this is the point that I've
been dealing with listening to this case. They should have
done this from the onset, but you know, this is
not late in the game, but it should have been
done earlier. This is the right charges that the grand
jury just proposed on Alec Baldwin because of this case,
and then it should have been done a long time ago.
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But that's the way that things go sometimes with the
criminals us the system. But I'm glad that they indicted
him on this particular thing. I don't want to say
that this is all alleged that I'm saying, because I
don't know all the facts either, but I do know
some of the indications of what they've done, and I
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don't see basically how he would not why the prosecutors
dropped the case on him, if that's what originally happened here,
and that's real stun me a little bit. But gladly
that this case was brought to the grand jury and
they indicted him an unintentional manslaughter, which carries a felony weight.
This what should have been. Because there's so many points
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to this case that really stops me a little bit
that hasn't been shown proven yet, And that's why I
want to just bring out a few highlight quickly, if
I may, is that, Okay, I would have been.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
One thing what I saw, you know. That's what we
were saying in the beginning, when we first started looking
at this case a couple of years ago. They were saying,
my listeners who are not too familiar, is that Alex
came was very quick to be on television and say
what he wanted to say and give him his side
of the story, which is one very rare for anyone
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accused of such a crime, but such a heinous crime,
to come speak freely and be interviewed on television. That
he did not pull the trigger, He wasn't really part
of this. And now the developments that are coming up
looks like they're alleging that the gun couldn't have gone
off by itself without someone pulling the trigger, and everything
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that he was promoting and sticking by in the beginning
has really taken a turn. Do you feel like your
points are familiar with that, because I know you've been
stating this for a while now that there's something a
little off with this case.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely, from the moment going, I saw the
things wrong going with this the way they were looking
at it, just to mere fact of being more specific
out of it. Take at gun that they use as
a prop, and the show has six points of bullets
being put in, and all these bullets should be like
prop bullets, but they're not live. However, one of those
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rounds that came out that was live, And the only
thing that I'm looking at here was that he should
have been the person, the last person. There's usually two
people that checked the guns before they use them, even
though they're propped, but Alex is the last person that
has to review the gun. Now, whether he did it
or did not, I don't know, but I think he
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failed in that respect. And the next round that came
out was the live round that killed that individual that
female missus hutcheson, which is totally terrible, and also the
one of the film directors that got hit also with
the bullet. Now, somebody either put that bullet in that
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chamber that would be the next discharge because when you
pull the trigger on the gun, the cylinder goes from
right to left, and being all these stones are prompt bullets,
the one that would pull would go out will be
the next round that you pull the trigger. And unfortunately,
that was the round that came out. So someone, in
my opinion, had that bullet put in specifically, that's my
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opinion only. And because that round came out right away,
it wasn't there. Normally it would have been in the fourth,
fifth round, but it was the next round when you
pulled the revolver that it comes right out, and so
that's somebody had to plant that thing the way it is,
that's my opinion. And uh, and I know he said
he never shot the gun off. You know that this
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is while he opened the door. He opened the door
to himself and he slammed it himself from the same directions.
So that's how crazy that statement was. He thinks like
like a gun goes by itself. The FBI checked it out,
and also, I take another unit from the police department,
is plausible that what would shoot honestly, they wouldn't have
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to be held back on any fact that it doesn't
go off by itself, and so somebody had to pull
the trigger. And he said he never pulled the trigger. Well,
that's right. There is to me that that's that's a
great statement from them, a real great statement. I don't
mean in a plus factory either.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
No. Now, and what really brings up this question because
I'm not really familiar with what bullets look like. Is
a prop bullet and a real bullet? One? Do they
look alike? Would they be? Could someone with the naked
eye professional or not know the difference? And two? Why
was a real bullet on set? And three as if
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you're saying you would the bullet comes in and has
to be loaded, then someone really knew a live bullet
with being put in there, I mean tend Would someone
know the difference between a prop bullet and a real bullet?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yes, well they would because they've used it so many
times in the past. You know, they're not knew what
this world of the bullets and the guns, but they
knew exactly what they're looking at. If Alex looked at
that gun the way it is, he would have known
that there's props and he would have checked the cylinder,
opened it up first to look at the bullets itself,
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and the live one would be much different than the prop.
But I don't think he opened it up. Obviously he didn't.
He didn't look himself, so somebody fell there. Two people
already supposedly checked the gun, and then he went and
checked his He didn't check it, and then that that
bullet came out. So who where goes that information? I
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don't know. I don't know if they're looking into this thing,
they don't bring it up too much. But I'm really
really shocked the point of that he did pull the trigger,
that the live round did come out. The live round
doesn't come out unless it's been planted there in the
right spot when the revolver the cylinder moves like you know.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
This would be prematit, would you say, because someone would
have to put exactly I just feel that.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm sorry. I would still say there's something, there's something,
there's something more to this. I still don't buy the
whole story with this thing. It's there's something missing here somewhere.
And you know, of course they know all the facts
which we don't, and we only get trips and drafts
of when it comes out in the media. But again,
I'm just saying, but at least they got one thing
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was that they went to the UH into the grand
jury and they presented the evidence and the grand jury
UH induted Alec Baldwin on involuntary manslaughter, which is a
fellowy way. At least you got that thing going right now.
But why the prosecutors, you know, that's why the late
what goes on here in this country. The prosecutors don't
want to put charges on people to let them go.
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And I think in this case, the prosecute I just
didn't want to put John just against Alix, so that
let the face to be dismissed and that I couldn't
understand that one at all. But I do understand that
the way that the the criminal justice system is being
worked of recent in the last couple of years is horrible,
horrible throughout this country.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
So it's really I mean, I wasn't familiar, you know,
I wasn't very familiar about the differences between prop and
real bullets. And I mean the fact that this case
would even be dismissed, that this was is frightening that,
you know, if someone would know the difference and then
someone intentionally put this on put this in it's you know,
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him not having any type of liability or responsibility of
who was on set. If he I's not him putting
a live bullet in. Why wouldn't anyone do so many
different checks? Why do you think you know he got
away from this so long? Do you think because of
his his elite status in Hollywood?
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Oh? Absolutely absolutely, because they were in like a bubble
form in Hollywood with the lawyers and the way that
the system goes today with how would they call it.
I wouldn't say corrupt system, but I do have a
failing that the system is more corrupted they than before.
And so he does fit himself into a bubble situation
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where they can't touch him. He has lawyers that of
course you know various. Of course they have names. They
are very expensive attorneys, and so they get the light
of this thing. So he does. He has the money,
he's got the cloud, He can do it what he wants,
and he can get the best of the best out there,
but the best his cause and this thing for the
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charges to be dropped. That's why you get these lawyers.
And it wasn't no other fact that but these lawyers
might have had a deal with someone and they found
out that they went with the prosecute. I'm not saying
there's that part that something happened there, but something actually
did happen eventually, who had a prosecutors dropped this jouge
and they didn't let him go. So I didn't understand
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that at all, but I do understand it.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And if you think back, you know, he was so
everybody was so blindsided that he was so quick to
get on television and say he didn't pull the pull
the trigger. Maybe if he didn't even come on television
and say that, and now that this new evidence came out,
he might have might have had a better chance to
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fight it. But I'm thinking if he came out and
said I didn't pull out pull the trigger, and then
the evidence points to I don't know, I'm just saying,
hypothetically points that he did pull the trigger, how do
you get how do you get out of that one?
Because I mean, I was shocked the lawyer and she
would say that he could go on television and say that.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, the look of this whole situation from the onset
before we talked about pulling the trigger. Someone had to
pull that live round into that ceylinder, that was the
part of this whole thing that started this whole thing.
If that there was no live rounds in there, even
though he pulled that trigger, nothing would have happened. But
someone pulled that had a live round in there, and
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it's just so happened that that live round came up
with the click of the of the when you pull
that trigger, that was the next live The next round
would have been a prop, but this time it was
a live round, and someone pointed put it in to
that particular point so that it would be well. Again,
I'm not saying that this was deliberately against Alex. Maybe
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it was because he had a lot of problems out
there at the time, but a lot of the workers
out there that a lot of them walked off to
the set. There were a lot of arguments, a lot
of fights going on at the time with the when
they were trying to do this show out there in
the movie. So there was a lot of a lot
of problems with Alex and people out there. And this
is nothing new. He always gets into kind of terminal
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arguments with a lot of different people. He's been in
the news constantly for that. Though. I'm not saying that
caught it, But there's somebody had put that bullet in there,
and that should have been a prompt bullet, but it wasn't.
There was a life bullet, and that's why that when
he pulled the trigger. If it was a prop, there
would have been no problem. But this time it's live
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and that was the next round came off. Of course,
unfortunately that lady had gotten killed out of this thing
and the other person got wounded. You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Any think then you think who was that bullet? Who
was that bullet really intended for? Wasn't a way to
get alec in trouble on set? Was it really meant
to shoot someone? Because I wasn't meant to shoot the
camera woman, wasn't meant to shoot the other character who
was supposed to be I don't know what the dialogue
or the scene was really supposed to be. But was
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it to shoot another actor? Was it to scare the
whole set? If it was aimed at? You know, because
the bullet from what I'm sit hearing a gun it
should never be a play or not should not be
pointed even if you believe there's steak bullets in it
at a real person. So there's so many different letyers.
Was it meant to scare the set or was it
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really meant to hurt somebody, to kill somebody fatally?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, you know, they know more about this than we do, obviously,
and there's something that, like I said, there's something more
to it. Ill don't put the finger on it. Why
that bullet was put in there? For what reason? Was
it against Alec? I don't think it was against that lady.
I got it very very much, but it was something
that shows And now the woman dies out of a shooting.
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Now all of this goes to Ali with somebody setting
Alex up for this thing. I don't know. These are
things that you can't answer because they don't have They
don't put things in the media, so you don't know
what's going on out there. And that's one of the
big problems too, is that we're just trying to assume
we're getting right now which way it's going. But the
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bottom line is there was a bullet in there, a
live bullet. It went off, and he's the one that
pulled the trigger. And they never really focused on that.
Who put the bullet in that gun? I don't see
that too much over here. Now A long time ago. Yes,
now they were talking about the bullet, but not now.
They don't say nothing about it. Why I don't understand that.
I really don't understand this. Then, so.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
We'll learn more. When do you think there'll be more
information at it? Do you think it's going to be
quiet until it really starts to do the case?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I think so. This, this particular thing opened the doors,
especially when the Grain jury indicted him. Now, if had
they not indicted and the Grain jury put a no
bail or no more indictment, then he would have gotten
away with it, truthfully. But the thing was, the prosecutors
dropped the case and they felt that they throw it
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into the Grain jury and they'll probably drop it to
But they didn't. The Grain jury saw the evidence and
they felt that he should be involved with this unintentional
voluntary manslaughter, so they brought a charge against them. This
is not against the prosecutors. The prosecutors didn't want to
do it, but the grand jury did, so that was
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the main factor here. Had it not been to the
grand jury, he probably would have been off the hook
with everything period and the only thing he would probably
be sued for would be civil from from the family.
Would go after him. But you know, other than that
the criminal. But still this thing is smoking. He's done
on this thing. It's still not finished. I still feel
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something more is going on here, and so I don't
think it's the It's not over over over, as I
must say in the book. You know, still get all
the other You.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Called this years ago, You called this years ago on set,
you said the same thing, and we both were saying,
there's something not adding up on this case exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You know, when I looked when I a shorter case,
much is that we all knew about the case at
the time, which is very very little. And I've had
some cases not as prominent is that this kind of
a case with the well known actor and all that.
But I've had some things in the past with that
type of a thing. But just the fact that being
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investigated from the Manhattan Disk Attorney's office, they put us
through a lot of sort of lessons on these certain
it's certain individuals and certain things that develop in these cases.
And we always looked at that thing, but this was
more came out so quickly that you know, with the
bullet and the gun and who pulled the trigger. And
then he says, I never pulled the trigger, and he
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held the gun in his hand and the bullet came home.
It's not a it's something that I can't believe, like
he just stepped into quicksand with this thing, and there
was something in the exactly exactly he could have gotten.
He could have got away with that at that particular moment,
I think. But again, whatever evidence they threw into the
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grand jury, whatever sparked this thing, he got to the
light of the grand jury and they indicted him, which
was the thing here that I was hoping they would do.
I didn't even know that they were doing something of
that nature. I thought once the consecutors dropped the case here,
he's getting off the hook, as we say, and that's
what I thought would happen.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I thought we would never hear about it. Now as
the case goes on, I'm definitely gonna have you back on.
But I wanted to move on to our next case
that we've been working on, which has also had so
many new developments, is the Gilgo Beach murders. Now that
the fourth victim has been he's been charged with the
fourth victim. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Well, you know, I'm kind of not surprised because this
there's a lot of material that they found on what's
his name, Horman Herman. Yeah, they found a lot no
more evidence on him which is brought out now, which
puts puts more light into his type of thinking and
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the way he years. Even though he's got a very
nice job. He works very diligently with as being an architect,
and sometimes you don't spot these type of things, you know,
especially with things of that nature. You know, when they
call a serial killer, he's already had three bodies. Now
he's got the fourth one here, and it could be
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even one or two more or three more, who knows.
You know, there's other ones that are out there now
that I found out that he was doing a lot
of you know, talking on the porn show things that
he's at some burnt phones. He had a whole system
worked out that he would get into the into the
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backings of porn stations. He was dealing with a lot
of different people that were involved here with porn stuff.
Oh yeah, Yeah, they had a lot of stuff on
him right now, and there's quite a bit of things
as a matter of fact. And so even though they
even had they had gone to his office and they
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had a subpoena to get to look into his draws
and they found one of his burnt phones that he
had some numbers in there that went to porn stations
and things of that nature. So all of these type
of things. There's so much beyond that too, but that
I've been picking up that he's more into this porn
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things that I don't know. I don't notice this fellow,
but it seems like it's he's indebted to this kind
of a thing and.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Definitely sex working world sex and porn industry. He was
very maybe even a sex I mean, I would think
I would think, I mean, he's not my client. I
can't diagnose but a sex addiction. But then you think
about what about the grandiose feeling of he's untouchable even
you know, when you think about Alec too, why would
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he keep these burner phones how many years later in
his office around him? I mean, he basically looked like
he was going to be off scot free and get
away with all this. But I'm wondering, if may because
of new DNA, but also with all these different old
phones and different things, why would he keep a hold
of this unless that's something he likes to gloat and
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look at about how close a real sale killer is
into the world.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
A lot of times, the serial killers, they always leave
marks for themselves that someone could see it, like some
sort of indication of who who's doing it, who who
might be doing it. They little tail, little samples up
their work start to speak. That's what I think, And
I'm not saying that he's doing it from that point
of view, but you know, when he feels comfortable, and
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obviously he had been met a long time being comfortable,
he just continues to do what he's been doing. He
fully figures at this point in time nothing's going to
happen to him. So he could fail in his brain
and he could be doing he might be doing sculptings
other women, and at that point he's forgetting sometimes what
he's doing with other stuff. And that particular item was
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found in his draw at the office, so it could
be much more than that. They're following up on all
the phones. He's got a couple of burned phones, he's
got porn sets, he's got I mean, it just goes
into the stay and if it wasn't for the DNA,
they would have never really picked them up. On this thing.
They found out some good evidence on DNA and they
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got right to them and this DNA shows that this
came from three other women right down on his fourth
one here. This is again that he does a lot
of in the individually phone sets type things. He's got
some people that he's been working with. Now this is
going to probably be all investigated by the Suffolk disc
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attorneys that they have this case right now, and I
think what they we're trying to while we're trying to
talk about it, they're looking into it deeper and deeper
and deeper.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So health perspective, I'm wondering the more that I'm hearing
this since he did have a whole wasn't just you
know here and there with people in the sex industry
and the phone, the phone sex and the prostitutions. Was
it did he pick? If he's guilty, whoever?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Did it?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Are they because these women wouldn't be missed, or you know,
they put themselves in dangerous situations because of their jobs,
or was it a sex addiction taken to the next level,
Because a lot of times with any addiction, it gets
the high, chasing the high, the stakes get higher and higher,
and maybe you know, torturing or rough situations, rough sex
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or anything like that with these different women, wasn't enough anymore.
And like any true addiction, any true serial killer and
has it doesn't the impulse gets stronger, It doesn't satisfy
them as much as the first time. They need more
and more because they're hunger. Their appetite for the violence
gets greater and greater. And was this a really addiction
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taken to a really dangerous level. I mean, that would
be a very interesting area to find out more and
more has he had if this is a sex addiction
his whole life, and obviously were there signs when he
was younger, because usually this follows them through their life.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
What do you think about that? I think the sex
addition to this whole chase he was thrown into it.
I think he's more than what I'm reading and that
what I know. Uh, I think there's much much more
to him. He's been like this for Pony a long
long time, and he's been evaluating himself, doing his thing,
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and he's been probably pretty comfortable at what he's doing
because nobody's really picking it up. But this particular woman
the found was right in the proximity of where the
other ones were buried. And you know, it doesn't mean
like that's the end of it. He could be there
could be others still besides this, I think that was
an addiction to him with sex. I mean everything that
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I'm picking up on him all to do with sex.
On this guy, he's got nothing beyond you. Just don't
stop the addiction.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Don't just stop and addition, just don't stop every night,
because I think what you're saying, I have a feeling
there's going to be unfortunately, many more bodies, maybe not
just in New York. I mean because I believe he
traveled too, will be all over.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Well, you know too. I'm not saying that we just
taking a shot at this, you know, more than than
I would. But I've seen a lot of it. When
I was on the street patrol and playing Closed Division.
A lot of times the fellaws that they were doing things.
Sometimes they were getting turned turned off on girls, the
girls were turned off on guys, and maybe sometimes some
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of these girls and talking prostitutes, they didn't want to
be with him, you know, and he felt like an addiction,
like you're turning me down, you know, like now he's
going to be doubly forceful. You know, you're not turning
me down, you know, I don't, you know, because everything money. Yeah,
now he comes back triple zone, and if he gets
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turned down again because of his he's a big guy,
He's a very big guy. He could be forceful on
these people, you know. And I think that's part of
the point that I'm looking at too, is he could
have handled him very, very forcefully, and you know, like
you're gonna you're gonna get you turn me down, You're
gonna feel it. And that's the way my thoughts with him.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I'm wondering. Also maybe it was fueled by could be
rejection from the women that into what he was into,
and then that rejection and anger could have turned into
something maybe he wasn't planning on doing, and then turned
into a very violent, fatal encounter and then he realized, Wow,
I mean, it's you know, once you taste blood, once
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you get to a certain level, sometimes it's I would think,
especially with a mind like with a psychotic mind like that,
it's hard to turn back. And then that he found
a new high or a new way to fulfill his
fantasies exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I agree with you. One hundred percent, you know once
they start and they're so like the meaningless the mean
of how he can get because of his power and
big guy, he could do almost anything to a young girl,
to a to a young female without any you know,
bouncing back at him, so he could do things. And
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if the girl never wanted to do what he wanted
to do, that would be even much more that he
would throw into this whole system with his brain, like
you're turning me down what I want to do sexually,
then I'm going to show you something. And you know,
it just keeps going on and on, and unfortunately the
poor girl, he is the victim of this thing. So
you know that's when you see this thing happen.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
At the end of the show. Yes, I mean we're
at the end of the show. We have so much
more to explore, and we are going to be coming
back and I'm going to have Vito on the show
again more and more as more these developments come out,
so we can really explore them from the forensic side,
the criminal side, and the mental health side, and anyone
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if you have any questions or any cases you'd like
Vito and I to explore either on here the radio
Insight into Healing or on investigative insights. Please send an
email to Insight into Healing at gmail dot com with
any guest ideas, show ideas, cases. We'd love to address them.
And Vito, I'm definitely gonna have you on. We're going
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to be bringing you on here and there as these
developments start to come out. And I just wanted again
thank you so much for coming on and really sharing
all of your professional insights with us.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Well, thank you very much again, and I'm sure we're
going to be getting much more evidence as time goes
on with these cases, So thank you much for having
me on again.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Thank you absolutely, absolutely, and everyone again, thank you so
much for tuning in. Everyone, have a good night and
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