April 17, 2024 • 36 mins
Michael Nuccitelli is a New York State licensed psychologist, cyberpsychologist and online safety educator. In 2009, Dr. Nuccitelli finalized his dark side of cyberspace concept called iPredator. Since then, Dr. Nuccitelli has educated and advised online users about cyberbullying, cyberstalking and online safety. The iPredator website can be reached by visiting iPredsator.org. That’s IPREDATOR DOT ORG Michael Nuccitelli, Psy.D. is a NYS licensed psychologist, cyberpsychologist and online safety educator. In 2009, Dr. Nuccitelli finalized his dark side of cyberspace concept called iPredator. Since 2010, Dr. Nuccitelli has educated and advised the private & public sectors involving cyberbullying, cyberstalking, internet addiction and online safety. In 2011, Dr. Nuccitelli launched his website, iPredator, offering site visitors an incredible amount of free educational content. He also has volunteered to serve a multitude of online users who have been cyber-attacked, defamed, and cyberstalked.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Love Host Radio, Love Him Radio. Hi everyone, and welcome
back to Insight into Healing. My name is Alexas Servo
DiDio and I'm your host and I'm so excited to
be back with you on the air and have so
many exciting shows coming up. But tonight's show, I have
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an incredible guest, and I've been getting so much feedback
and so many questions about online social media, cyberbullying, cyper stalking,
and online safety that i had to have doctor Michael
Mucatelly on to answer a lot of questions but also
give us a lot of information on how we can
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protect ourselves and also our loved ones. Doctor Michael Nuticelli
is a New York State licensed psychologist, cyber psychologist, and
online safety educator. In two thousand and nine, Michael finalized
his dark Side of Fiberspace concept called I Predator. Since then,
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he has educated and advised online users about cyber bullying, cyberstalking,
and online safety. The I Predator wibsite can be reached
by visiting ipredator dot org. Michael, welcome, and thank you
so much for coming on tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Oh good day, Miss Alexa. Thank you for having me
on and hopefully we can help some of your listeners
learn a little bit about what I call the dark
side of cyberspace.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Absolutely, and I know so much on social media in
the news, we're seeing more and more in the headlines
of online bullying, of cyberstalking, cyberbullying, and so many times.
As a psychotherapist, a lot of my clients feel victimized,
they feel hopeless, they feel helpless what to do because
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of the online presence, but also of the access of
these stalkers and these these bullies have online. How did
I Predator get started? What was this concept?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, I first wrote I Predator, I actually gotted you know,
notes down I in my past life. Well, first and foremost,
I'm a New York State legns psychologist. I've been a psychologist.
I've had my doctor degree. For goodness, we're going on
well thirty years actually this year. So when I was young,
I always and I still do, had a fascination with psychopathy,
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you know, forensics, criminal psychology, so forth and so on.
So as I said in my past life, I used
to do part time. In addition to being a clinical psychologist,
I was a forensic psychologist doing assessments in the courts.
It was also during that time that I did a
lot of research and created the concept called dark psychology,
which is at the website free for anybody to read,
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download or print. And dark Psychology, which I wrote back
in two thousand and six, is a dark side of
a dark side of consciousness concept. So as time goes on,
I'm working, you know, in the courts. I'm also as
a clinical psychologist. Well for all of us, here is
mother Earth, the planet we are, you know, we are
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introduced to cyberspace in the Internet. So back again, I'm
working in the courts. I'm also studying the psychopath, the sociopath,
the deviant, the criminal, you know, the criminal mind. And
that's when I thought to myself, and this is when
the bulb went off, Well, where better would a criminal
or deviant go, Where they could go, where they could
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abuse and victimize others, and guess what, you know, maintain
the you know, hold their identity, you know, to be
able to be unidentified. And that is when the light
bulb went off. And back in two thousand and nine
is when I wrote Ie Predator, and so here we
are this many years later, twenty nineteen, I updated it
and I edited and now we have the dark side
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of concept called eye Predator. And what eye Predator is
is a global concept and what it introduces, which I
don't think we'll be able to get all of them
today maybe in future shows. It has eight different online assailants.
So when we're dealing with children, and it only applies
with children, is called cyberbling. Cyberbuling is child on child
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cyber attacks. When we're dealing with adults, the adult manifestation
of cyberbulling is either cyber harassment, cyberstalking, and internet trolling.
Then we have cyber criminal, cybercrime, cyber terrorism. And then
we have the deepest, the darkest, and most deviant of eyepredators.
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That is your online child predators and your online child
pornography consumers and distributors. So those eight typologies, those eight
types of assailants make up eyepredator.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Wow, it's so fascinating and also disturbing that as a
cycle therapists in the practice for many years, this is
the first time I'm hearing some of this verbiage, some
of these different words, and I think it's so important
because they seem to have to be more conversational and
more out there, for the parents, for our loved ones,
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for our family, for anyone online. Because even if it's
online dating websites, to Facebook, to Instagram to Snapchat, these predators,
these stalkers, come in all different forms, and they're not
most of the time just an innocent person playing games.
These are it sounds like pre meditated criminals, maybe even
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criminally insane at points to really target their victims.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Most certainly so, as I said, so when it comes
to ipredator, we've got the whole gamble. And I think
you know, those eight encapsulate all types of eyeline assailings.
And you know, you point out a good percentage of
my predators engage in illegal activities. But and this is
important for your listeners, the vast majority of my predators
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do not engage in illegal activities. It's just they engaged
in moral, unethical, you know, awful behaviors online. So for instance,
cyber bowling, which are child on child cyber attacks. Okay,
the vast majority of children attack one another online. Why
because they're looking to be recognized. They're looking to be
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seen cool by their friends and to be seen as
little machismo. You know that there's something special. This is
not to say that children when they're cyberbullying don't engage
in illegal activities, because there are children. When they target
their victim, they will you know, take sexually themed concept
and engage in consumption and distribution of child pornography. They
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also will engage in identity thefts. So but the vast
majority of my predators and online abuse is legal, all right.
So the first and most important for your listeners and
for anybodybody who listens is to understand if you are
an eyepredator or if somebody that you suspect is an
eye predator. And it's very straightforward, it's very easy. Okay,
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It's three criteria. The first criteria, which is a no brainer,
it's the use of information communication technology to harm somebody,
whether it be the Internet, social media, any electronic device,
anything that is Internet enabled, all of that. So if
you're using technology to harm somebody, that is the first criteria.
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The second criteria is a self awareness that you're causing
harm to somebody using information technology. Now that applies when
we're talking about a self awareness. This is when not
to get too legal, but when you're talking about mitigating factors,
when you're talking about children, per se when children are cyberbulling,
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these are not Oftentimes they think they're just joking around,
but they don't understand that they are causing terrible and
the teasing and the taunting of their victim is causing
psychological damage. And this is why we have a new
term called cyber bully side, which are children that take
their lives because they're being bullied in cyber bullied. So
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children is the population that really we have to give
a little bit of an excuse to because oftentimes they
don't understand the harm they're causing others. Then we have
those that suffer from psychiatric illness or you know, or
psychologically dysfunction where they don't understand the harm. So it
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is the use of technology to harm, a self awareness
of causing harm using technology. And then the third one
is what I call is cyber stealth. And what cyber
stealth is, essentially, in a very simplistic reduction, is online
deception where a person goes online if I'm looking so
for instance, if I'm looking to character assassinate you, to
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defame you, Alexa, I may choose not to use Michael Nuccitelli.
I may choose to use a different name I create
a different profile on Facebook, and from that profile, in
addition to others I've created, that's how I attack you.
So cyberstealth is creating diversionary essentially to create smoke and mirrors,
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so you as the victim, are not quite sure that
it's me, or maybe I want you to know I'm
targeting you. So but I use cyber stealth in a
manner to maybe get others to target you as well.
That's called by proxy, and that's done all the time.
Or I create an ambiance so much so that you're
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not quite sure how you're going to report me to
the police, how you're going to even file a police report,
because the way I'm targeting you, So that is that
so if a person does this to another person one,
you know, three or more times, they are an ipredator.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yes, and what would you call? Because I'm finding more
and more special with my young children teenage clients, that
there's a lot, especially on Instagram or Facebook, people's stories
have very inappropriate videos or sexual innuendos, pictures suggests suggestive
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things that an eight year old wouldn't know what that
act sexual act is, but they keep sending that and
friending these younger people with all these suggestive sexual pornographic
videos or type of pictures of their story on their I.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Mean, Alexa, that's that's an excellent point. This is where parents,
the school systems, and society comes into play. So what
you're talking about are online child predators, online sexual predators.
These are grown adults that go into cyberspace. The FBI
estimates at any given seven hundred and fifty thousand online
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child predators. So and they live in social media and
what type of social media they live in? The social
platforms where children go. Now, Facebook tends to be more
for adults, young adults. You do see some teens in Facebook.
For children, predominantly it is Snapchat and for a little
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bit for teens, Instagram is quite large right now. And
then you have your different apps, your different messengers, so
forth and so on. But what we need to understand,
what's very important is and this is for all of us,
is that the Internet, Okay, information technology was invented, let's say,
created in the late nineteen seventies. The birthday of the
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Internet is eighty three. So we are at the beginning
of a period of history which is called the information age,
which as I said begin in the late nineteen seventies,
and it is going to go for likely centuries. The
next step in the information age we're just starting to
see it now is the beginning of and then the
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implementation of virtual reality and artificial intelligence. And that is
what we are just experiencing the beginning. Ten years from now,
fifty years from now, the Internet and everything that we
know about information technology and social media is going to
be completely different. I'm sure your listeners have heard of chat,
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GBT and AI. Well, it's already being used for cyber
criminal purposes to target a victim, and it's incredible what
AI can do. But that is just the tip of
the iceberg, because behind that AI, behind that technology, is
what is a criminal, is a devian, is a pedophile,
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is a child molestor, is a psychopath. It is the
dark side. And this is where dark psychology helps me
to write and to conceptualize Eye Predator. But Alexa, think
of it. This is for your lesson. If you're looking
to hurt somebody, if you're looking to molest if you're
looking to steal from somebody, where better to go than
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to go online in a pre information age world. Okay,
if you were looking to, you know, to molest a child.
Let's say, I mean, obviously most child molestation and sexual
abuse occurs within families, but in general, in a pre
information age world, the pedophile had to get into his
car and had to you know, whether we say the
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proverbial white van, he had to go drive past the school. Okay,
in a pre information age world, the criminal, the devian
had to exert energy to engage in criminal activities. Well,
now all of that has gone, because now I can
sit on my ass at my desk and I can
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reacavoc to anybody I'm trying to target. Hence, this is
why we have my predator.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yes, and you know, as you prays up a lot
of times, these predators go on this discord, They go
on these different video games. People all these kids play
together online where they never meet anyone, and everyone says,
oh no, no, they're all kids, don't worry about it,
and then you find out half of them are predators.
How do us as parents, as colleagues, as professionals, as
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friends and family, what can we do to protect ourselves
and protect our loved ones? Because I know that you
have a different, different concepts of offline distress dictates online response.
There's so many different concepts that I've done, going to
have you on again to go through. So this is
more of like an introduction. But how can someone at
least feel safe to take a step to some sort
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of prevention.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well, the first thing is for every online user, for
every listener who has children, whoever that may be. And
I every time I do a radio interview or interview,
I say it, and I say three times, I'll say
it again. Personal information, personal information, person information. Okay, the
less personal information you put online, the lower risk you
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have of being targeted that applies to you, that applies
to your child. So it had all right? So for instance,
real quickly, there are only three ways to manage information
at this time, until someday there's a fourth to mention.
You can compile information, you can disseminate information, and you
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can exchange information through disseminating information, putting it out there
on the internet and exchanging it for others. Well, that
is where us folks run into trouble because what we
fail to understand is that there are many other online
users watching. So even when you have your let's say,
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well we'll use Facebook for those that even when you
have your Facebook set up for private, okay, and you
have friends, well your friends have friends, and you know
if you're not, you know, it's just that we live
in a world right now where we are so enveloped
by the Internet, by social media. Goodness, gracious Alexa. Children
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from the moment they wake up to the moment they
go to bed, what do they got in their hand?
Their mobile device? They live by their cell phone these days, okay,
and that's only going to continue. So it's first understanding
that this is real and it's going But when it
comes to parents, okay, it is setting very strict guidelines.
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So it's how long do you allow your child to
carry their mobile device? Now? I have volunteered after work
and on the weekend since twenty ten, so we're going
on fourteen years. I have volunteered, and if any of
your listeners are ever in trouble, I provide free volunteer
help to people. But I've been doing it for many years,
and I've heard everything under the sun, and I've heard that,
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you know, oftentimes parents will buy and give their child
a mobile device that is Internet connected because and this
is a four and five year old, because in case
my child has is in an emergency when she's out
with whoever she can call. I've heard so many reasons
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why young children are given mobile device when they shouldn't
be given mobile devices. Okay, So it is setting boundaries.
So when it comes to mobile devices, it's it's there's
there's only an allotted amount of time. Okay. There are
parents that I help, and I think it's a great
idea where they come home, they have to give the
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mobile device to the parents, they put it in a
little bin, you know, at a certain time. So it's
creating boundaries. And then the other piece is is talking
with your children. It's as young as they it's beginning
to talk to them about their online lives and always
and of course once a child gets into preview, vessence
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and teen, they're gonna look kids, you as being square
and you're not cool because what you're a parent. But
still nonetheless you have to talk about it and you
have to create a form to where hopefully they will
come to you if something bad happens. The downside is
though for children, particularly for adolescence, for teens, when they
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get in trouble online and even if they're being you know,
they're even being groomed by an adult online child predator.
Instead of going to an adult that would ultotily lead
to going to the police, they go to their friends.
And we do know the vast majority of children that
are victims of cyberbulling, they don't go to a parent.
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They don't talk about it because why, they're ashamed. So
if anything, they will talk to their friends. So it's
understanding that children, okay, are not going to come to
a parent or a primary caregiver. But it's making sure
you're going to be persistent and talking about it anyway.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yes, absolutely, And I've been hearing also more and more
with many people, is you know, moving on to maybe
to an adult situation with online dating, you know a
lot of everyone, especially since COVID, I think everyone and
anyone who should not be on a dating website decided
to join during COVID, either for good reasons or not.
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And so many times people are not who they say
they are, They're not there for the right reasons. And
these people, you know, the people are going on some
people with very innocent wanting to meet someone, wanting to
find love. Finding out the first couple of times if
this person sounds incredible, giving them all their information, and
then they can't get rid of this person. This person
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is all of a sudden a little bit scary.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
What would you say, Well, which I'm sure you've heard,
this term is called catfishing. There. I have a page
on my called online dating. Online dating is a huge industry,
so the only second to maybe online gaming. But online
dating is huge and many people go on to find
love in online dating, but very quickly. With online dating,
it's understanding that the person you're talking to and when
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we do online dating, just like most of our online interactions,
it is all fantasy, okay, And it's always remembering that
so that if you meet somebody online okay, until you
meet them face to face in a public setting. I
always tell at least three times, you cannot have any feelings.
You cannot allow yourself. You know, I have, literally and goodness,
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I don't give exact details of people that I've helped,
so I take, you know, I take pieces of ones
that I've helped and I create a story. But I've
helped women and one man not too I'd say two
women one man over the last fifteen years who actually
told me that they were in love with somebody that
they have never met in person, not only and one
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of the three not only didn't meet them in person,
but didn't even see them on a FaceTime or a
webcam or something where they actually had a visual connection.
Always remember, the definition of cyberspace is defined as an abstract,
artificial digital environment. It's not real, but we as human
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here in twenty twenty four and going forward, we treat
it as something that's real. So when you see somebody
when it comes to online dating or whoever, and you
see a photograph, how do you know that that photograph
is the individual that they're claiming to be. Almost all
online child preadters create fake profiles. Many adults who are
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looking to scam other adults in online dating, they create
different profiles and that's how they work. And you know,
there's individuals they'll have fifteen, twenty thirty different profiles and
they are targeting, you know, thirty forty fifty different other
online users, all with the scam of hopefully getting three
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five hundred as much money as they can.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Which unfortunately they do say that numbers game. And then
as they go through it, more and more people they
realize what works and what doesn't.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Work well, and this is why you brought it up
a little bit before, and maybe we can do a
show on odor, which is the acronym odor is offline
distress dictates online response and what that deals with. However,
my offline life is my psychological functioning, my state of being,
whether I'm happy, whether I'm sad, discourage, lonely, whatever it
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may be. Whatever is going in my offline world, I
believe directly affects what I do online. And not only
what I do online, but is what I interpret online.
So if I am let's say, I'm recently broken up
from a spouse or I'm divorced, and I'm lonely and
I'm discourage and I feel fat, okay, and I go
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online and I begin to I don't necessarily say I'm
fat and ugly, but I begin to go online and
I spart, start posting information that others would be able
to see that this young man, well, I still think
I'm a young woman, this young man seems discouraged. Well,
who sees that? Okay? I Predators, eyepredators are always looking
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for the discouraged, always looking for the despondent and the depressed.
They literally search for people that, and some of them
are very good at that, where they're almost like psychologists themselves,
where they're able to read and see information that a
person is posting and be able to conclude that they
would be a good mark, and that's what they do.
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So under odor, offline distress dictates online response. If you
go online and you're you're angry or you're discouraged, you know,
let's say negative, and you go online, okay, you got
to be careful what you put out there. And let's
take the converse of that. Let's say you're manic and
you're happy and you're celeubritatory and you just want something
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or you just got a big job or something great
just happen of opportunity, and now you go online and
you start to talk about that, you also open yourself
up to being targeted. So the less personal information you
put online, the better, and for anybody. If you look
at my website, if you go to you know, my
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Facebook page, my Instagram, there is nothing personal about me.
Nothing for the last goodness. For years, every other day
I post my cheesy. I call them PSAs public service announcements.
They are educational images that schools use, you know, community
agencies can use. They download them for any of your listeners,
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you know, if you're teaching kids, and you know, for
a cyber book every other day. There is nothing personal.
And I do that because when you put out personal information,
you now open yourself up to cyberstalkers, cyber criminals for
children's online child predators. Uh. And then the big one,
which we're dealing with today are called internet trolls. That's
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a whole show in and of itself trolls. So that
is what we're dealing with, the dark side of cyberspace.
And then the other cards.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'm sorry, it's so hard sometimes because I know, I
have a lot of clients and they will meet someone
online and that person sounds incredible, and they seem to
have everything in common, and they're very they want their
into having a relationship. They think this person is so great,
and you know, you try to give them the advice
of okay, wait to you meet them in person, no,
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but they can't. They're so busy traveling the world. They
have a very important job, and you know, you almost
have to. They almost feel like you're being a Debbie
Downer And how can you not believe in love? And
I said, it's not about that. It's until you meet
somebody in person, until they show up. And they said, oh,
but that's outdated, that this is the new world. Everything
is online, I said, but that's no one can everyone
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is great online. Everyone's great if you don't have to
see their face and what they go through on a
daily activity or when they're you know, discouraged. It's about
really meeting someone in person and really looking at a
period of time. You can't fall in love with someone
just because they've been great to you for three weeks
or three months over over text message or messenger.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Right, and here's a real quick an example in a
pre information age world. Right now, So if I were
to meet you Alexa, and you and I were going
to meet that at a restaurant, okay, you know, you know,
and we're talking, you know, I would say I'm six
to one. In reality, I'm six foot and a half inch.
I'm not really six to one, but I think even
on my license I have six's one. It is part
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of the human condition. So we all deceive. We all tried,
I mean, think it will. How does the peacock, you know,
attract a female? You ever see a peacock fully unfurl
his you know, his feathers. He's gorgeous. So in the
wild and in nature and in humans, we always present
ourselves in the best possible way for while to hopefully
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get a meete. Okay, so it's not a bad thing.
So even though I say I'm six one, I'm close
to six one. But all of us, all of us,
you know, make ourselves. You know, it's called presenting yourself
in the best possible light. We all do that, and
there's nothing wrong with that. But now when people go
online and if they have nefarious intentions and they're looking
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to harm you, they take that normal proclivity and now
they create totally different profiles and people. I mean, and
this is where we have cat fishing. They create i
don't know, a metaphor an eye, something that is not real,
but they're good enough to get others to believe it. Yes,
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you know, So if any of your listeners, if anybody,
anybody ever asks you to send money, no matter what
they say, never send money. Never, no, no.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
And don't give that information about identity or what they
can use to to have your personal information or anything
like that, because I think you know, again, as you said,
the more information they get, the more and you have to.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Tell I mean, I mean, and I'm sure some of
your listeners, some may be celebrities, some may be public figures,
you know, some may you know. So so people that
are public figures, people that are you know, engaged in
the community, they have to give out some personal information.
But it but even if you're a celebrity, even if
you are a public figure, it's truncating that information. The
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left is better.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yes, yes, we have a little bit of time left.
Would you be able to discuss a little bit about trolling,
if just to give my viewers, my listeners a little
bit of information about trolling, because so much that word
is used so much on being trolled or I have
trolls and a lot of people think it's positive that
oh wow, look I have trolls, I have.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Views, I have life. Okay, So and again this is
all at my website. It's all free to download. In
the old days, goodness, the old days that we've all
been so so classic Internet trolls. Internet trolls are still here.
They've been around for decades. Internet trolls are and they
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used to be mostly men. They still but now we're
starting to see there's there's an increase in female online
user trolls too. And internet troll is somebody who goes online, wouldever,
whether it be social media, online gaming, message, whatever the
forum is, the internet troll goes online and what his
job is forgive my New York language, his job is
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to piss you off. And if he can provoke you,
if he can engage in an argument with the kids
called flaming, he's done his job. He feels good about himself.
He pats himself on the back because he feels he's
a sense of ego stroke to himself because he was
successful in getting you angry. That is the classic Internet roll.
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They still live, They still are in every social media form,
so forth and so on. But and I wrote about
this several years back. What they are the least of
our concern. What we have now are call what I
call are the predatory trolls. Predatory trolls are not just
going online to piss you off. They now so not
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only am I looking to get you upset, Alexa, I
am now going to call your job. I'm going to
call your family, I'm going to call listeners to your
block spot. I'm even gonna call block. I am going
to do whatever I can to completely and utterly destroy
your reputation and your online presence. And predatory trolls they
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will stop at nothing to completely destroy you. And this
is what we're stopping. More and more. I have been
them that happened to yes, and it's happening more and more.
I mean, the old saying for regular trolls, remember the
regular classic troll is. I don't know if you've heard
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this term, don't feed the trolls. Basically that term, which
has been around for years, don't feed the troll is
essentially if you avoid their, block them, don't pay attention
to them, they will. You know, they'll go and they'll
go target somebody else. That occurs most of the times,
but when you're dealing with predatory trolls, it's a whole
different ballgame. Because predatory trolls they will there's they almost
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have an obsessive quality about them. There. Let me just
something that's very important when it comes to trolls. And
I like to talk about this because I know if
there are trolls, which I'm sure there's some trolls that
are going to listen to this, you know, because I
controlled all the time. Ever since I wrote Predator Ye.
Back in twenty fourteen, the University of Manitoba did a
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huge study on trolls. This is twenty fourteen, so it's
been ten years. And what they developed is what's called
the Dark tetrad, all right, the Dark tetrad. And what
they found that Internet trolls are at much higher rates
of being sadistic, psychopathic, macavelian, and narcissistic. The dark tetrad.
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These are individuals that enjoy the anguish and the harm
they're causing you into your loved ones. And that is
the sadistic, Okay. The psychopathic is they don't care. You
are an object you deserve because you post it online
that you support Trump or you support Biden, Okay, whatever
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it may be, you deserve to be targeted. That's the psychopathic.
You know. Theistic aspect of the Internet roll is that
they see themselves as the center of the proverbial universe,
that they see themselves as better than you. So when
you take into consideration the Dark tetrad, this is why
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the Internet trolls spend their time because Alexa, think about it,
they don't get paid for this. But the amount of
energy and effort and sometimes money that they have to spend, Okay,
is quite a lot when what are they getting in return?
Nothing but their own self satisfaction and maybe a pad
on the back from another internetrol that they deal with.
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That's how perverse internet rolls can be, yes.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
And how and how dangerous. And I think you know
so many people want to to you know, have that
conflict or to debate. It's not about debating when you're
debating with someone who who is a psychopath, a sociopath,
and who's out there to destroy you. It's not about
proving right or wrong. I think it's really about safety,
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knowing what you're dealing with.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Right, And we only have okay, and I'm sorry, we
only have a minute or two, I'm sure so, but
real quickly. So if you're being targeted, it is And
the first thing is is to maintain compile evidence. You
have to create a dossier of information. Okay, So you
create a dotsia of information of where you're getting targeted,
how you're getting targeted, and to keep evidence, you know,
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screenshot and yes, it's laborious, it's time intensive, and but
that's what you have to do. The second step is
is that you go to your police department and you
fill out a report. Now, it's going to fall on
deaf ears. I'm telling everybody right now, unless it's child
pornography or something truly illegal, illegal, the vast majority of
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what when you go into to forget a police report,
the vast majority they're going to say, thank you, we
can't help you. But you get the police report anyway.
So you compile information, you get a police rep poor,
and I mean, depending on your finances, you may have
to see a cyber attorney, an attorney that knows about
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internet law. That is the next step. Because predatory trolls,
as I said earlier alexis they go after your job.
They go after you know, anything they can do to
take you down. You know. So if you're working at
a job and you have an EAP or human resources
and you suspect you're getting trolled, you have to let
your EAP and your human resources representative. No, you may
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get calls from this internet troll. So but by providing evidence,
by compiling something, at least you can prove that you're
being targeted.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yes, yes, well we have covered so much, but there
is so much more. I have so many more questions
and different ideas and concepts that you have written about
that I definitely want to have you come back on
to go over them and to explore. And again, if
any listeners have any questions, please send a question to
(36:03):
Insight into Healing at gmail dot com. We will definitely
answer it. I can also send it over to Michael
to help answer some of these questions. But thank you
so much for joining us tonight and just opening our
eyes and giving us some beginning safety tips on how
we can protect ourselves from iypredators.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Oh, thank you, Alexia. Anytime, hopefully there'll be another day
we come back on.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Absolutely absolutely, and again everyone, thank you so much for
tuning in. Everyone, have a good night and God bless
Love Host Radio, Love Him Radio. Hi everyone, and welcome
back to Insight into Healing. My name is Alexas Servo
DiDio and I'm your host and I'm so excited to
be back with you on the air and have so
many exciting shows coming up. But tonight's show, I have
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an incredible guest, and I've been getting so much feedback
and so many questions about online social media, cyberbullying, cyper stalking,
and online safety that i had to have doctor Michael
Mucatelly on to answer a lot of questions but also
give us a lot of information on how we can
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protect ourselves and also our loved ones. Doctor Michael Nuticelli
is a New York State licensed psychologist, cyber psychologist, and
online safety educator. In two thousand and nine, Michael finalized
his dark Side of Fiberspace concept called I Predator. Since then,
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he has educated and advised online users about cyber bullying, cyberstalking,
and online safety. The I Predator wibsite can be reached
by visiting ipredator dot org. Michael, welcome, and thank you
so much for coming on tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Oh good day, Miss Alexa. Thank you for having me
on and hopefully we can help some of your listeners
learn a little bit about what I call the dark
side of cyberspace.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Absolutely, and I know so much on social media in
the news, we're seeing more and more in the headlines
of online bullying, of cyberstalking, cyberbullying, and so many times.
As a psychotherapist, a lot of my clients feel victimized,
they feel hopeless, they feel helpless what to do because
(01:54):
of the online presence, but also of the access of
these stalkers and these these bullies have online. How did
I Predator get started? What was this concept?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, I first wrote I Predator, I actually gotted you know,
notes down I in my past life. Well, first and foremost,
I'm a New York State legns psychologist. I've been a psychologist.
I've had my doctor degree. For goodness, we're going on
well thirty years actually this year. So when I was young,
I always and I still do, had a fascination with psychopathy,
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you know, forensics, criminal psychology, so forth and so on.
So as I said in my past life, I used
to do part time. In addition to being a clinical psychologist,
I was a forensic psychologist doing assessments in the courts.
It was also during that time that I did a
lot of research and created the concept called dark psychology,
which is at the website free for anybody to read,
(02:52):
download or print. And dark Psychology, which I wrote back
in two thousand and six, is a dark side of
a dark side of consciousness concept. So as time goes on,
I'm working, you know, in the courts. I'm also as
a clinical psychologist. Well for all of us, here is
mother Earth, the planet we are, you know, we are
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introduced to cyberspace in the Internet. So back again, I'm
working in the courts. I'm also studying the psychopath, the sociopath,
the deviant, the criminal, you know, the criminal mind. And
that's when I thought to myself, and this is when
the bulb went off, Well, where better would a criminal
or deviant go, Where they could go, where they could
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abuse and victimize others, and guess what, you know, maintain
the you know, hold their identity, you know, to be
able to be unidentified. And that is when the light
bulb went off. And back in two thousand and nine
is when I wrote Ie Predator, and so here we
are this many years later, twenty nineteen, I updated it
and I edited and now we have the dark side
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of concept called eye Predator. And what eye Predator is
is a global concept and what it introduces, which I
don't think we'll be able to get all of them
today maybe in future shows. It has eight different online assailants.
So when we're dealing with children, and it only applies
with children, is called cyberbling. Cyberbuling is child on child
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cyber attacks. When we're dealing with adults, the adult manifestation
of cyberbulling is either cyber harassment, cyberstalking, and internet trolling.
Then we have cyber criminal, cybercrime, cyber terrorism. And then
we have the deepest, the darkest, and most deviant of eyepredators.
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That is your online child predators and your online child
pornography consumers and distributors. So those eight typologies, those eight
types of assailants make up eyepredator.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Wow, it's so fascinating and also disturbing that as a
cycle therapists in the practice for many years, this is
the first time I'm hearing some of this verbiage, some
of these different words, and I think it's so important
because they seem to have to be more conversational and
more out there, for the parents, for our loved ones,
(05:17):
for our family, for anyone online. Because even if it's
online dating websites, to Facebook, to Instagram to Snapchat, these predators,
these stalkers, come in all different forms, and they're not
most of the time just an innocent person playing games.
These are it sounds like pre meditated criminals, maybe even
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criminally insane at points to really target their victims.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Most certainly so, as I said, so when it comes
to ipredator, we've got the whole gamble. And I think
you know, those eight encapsulate all types of eyeline assailings.
And you know, you point out a good percentage of
my predators engage in illegal activities. But and this is
important for your listeners, the vast majority of my predators
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do not engage in illegal activities. It's just they engaged
in moral, unethical, you know, awful behaviors online. So for instance,
cyber bowling, which are child on child cyber attacks. Okay,
the vast majority of children attack one another online. Why
because they're looking to be recognized. They're looking to be
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seen cool by their friends and to be seen as
little machismo. You know that there's something special. This is
not to say that children when they're cyberbullying don't engage
in illegal activities, because there are children. When they target
their victim, they will you know, take sexually themed concept
and engage in consumption and distribution of child pornography. They
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also will engage in identity thefts. So but the vast
majority of my predators and online abuse is legal, all right.
So the first and most important for your listeners and
for anybodybody who listens is to understand if you are
an eyepredator or if somebody that you suspect is an
eye predator. And it's very straightforward, it's very easy. Okay,
(07:10):
It's three criteria. The first criteria, which is a no brainer,
it's the use of information communication technology to harm somebody,
whether it be the Internet, social media, any electronic device,
anything that is Internet enabled, all of that. So if
you're using technology to harm somebody, that is the first criteria.
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The second criteria is a self awareness that you're causing
harm to somebody using information technology. Now that applies when
we're talking about a self awareness. This is when not
to get too legal, but when you're talking about mitigating factors,
when you're talking about children, per se when children are cyberbulling,
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these are not Oftentimes they think they're just joking around,
but they don't understand that they are causing terrible and
the teasing and the taunting of their victim is causing
psychological damage. And this is why we have a new
term called cyber bully side, which are children that take
their lives because they're being bullied in cyber bullied. So
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children is the population that really we have to give
a little bit of an excuse to because oftentimes they
don't understand the harm they're causing others. Then we have
those that suffer from psychiatric illness or you know, or
psychologically dysfunction where they don't understand the harm. So it
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is the use of technology to harm, a self awareness
of causing harm using technology. And then the third one
is what I call is cyber stealth. And what cyber
stealth is, essentially, in a very simplistic reduction, is online
deception where a person goes online if I'm looking so
for instance, if I'm looking to character assassinate you, to
(08:58):
defame you, Alexa, I may choose not to use Michael Nuccitelli.
I may choose to use a different name I create
a different profile on Facebook, and from that profile, in
addition to others I've created, that's how I attack you.
So cyberstealth is creating diversionary essentially to create smoke and mirrors,
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so you as the victim, are not quite sure that
it's me, or maybe I want you to know I'm
targeting you. So but I use cyber stealth in a
manner to maybe get others to target you as well.
That's called by proxy, and that's done all the time.
Or I create an ambiance so much so that you're
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not quite sure how you're going to report me to
the police, how you're going to even file a police report,
because the way I'm targeting you, So that is that
so if a person does this to another person one,
you know, three or more times, they are an ipredator.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yes, and what would you call? Because I'm finding more
and more special with my young children teenage clients, that
there's a lot, especially on Instagram or Facebook, people's stories
have very inappropriate videos or sexual innuendos, pictures suggests suggestive
(10:16):
things that an eight year old wouldn't know what that
act sexual act is, but they keep sending that and
friending these younger people with all these suggestive sexual pornographic
videos or type of pictures of their story on their I.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Mean, Alexa, that's that's an excellent point. This is where parents,
the school systems, and society comes into play. So what
you're talking about are online child predators, online sexual predators.
These are grown adults that go into cyberspace. The FBI
estimates at any given seven hundred and fifty thousand online
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child predators. So and they live in social media and
what type of social media they live in? The social
platforms where children go. Now, Facebook tends to be more
for adults, young adults. You do see some teens in Facebook.
For children, predominantly it is Snapchat and for a little
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bit for teens, Instagram is quite large right now. And
then you have your different apps, your different messengers, so
forth and so on. But what we need to understand,
what's very important is and this is for all of us,
is that the Internet, Okay, information technology was invented, let's say,
created in the late nineteen seventies. The birthday of the
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Internet is eighty three. So we are at the beginning
of a period of history which is called the information age,
which as I said begin in the late nineteen seventies,
and it is going to go for likely centuries. The
next step in the information age we're just starting to
see it now is the beginning of and then the
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implementation of virtual reality and artificial intelligence. And that is
what we are just experiencing the beginning. Ten years from now,
fifty years from now, the Internet and everything that we
know about information technology and social media is going to
be completely different. I'm sure your listeners have heard of chat,
(12:25):
GBT and AI. Well, it's already being used for cyber
criminal purposes to target a victim, and it's incredible what
AI can do. But that is just the tip of
the iceberg, because behind that AI, behind that technology, is
what is a criminal, is a devian, is a pedophile,
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is a child molestor, is a psychopath. It is the
dark side. And this is where dark psychology helps me
to write and to conceptualize Eye Predator. But Alexa, think
of it. This is for your lesson. If you're looking
to hurt somebody, if you're looking to molest if you're
looking to steal from somebody, where better to go than
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to go online in a pre information age world. Okay,
if you were looking to, you know, to molest a child.
Let's say, I mean, obviously most child molestation and sexual
abuse occurs within families, but in general, in a pre
information age world, the pedophile had to get into his
car and had to you know, whether we say the
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proverbial white van, he had to go drive past the school. Okay,
in a pre information age world, the criminal, the devian
had to exert energy to engage in criminal activities. Well,
now all of that has gone, because now I can
sit on my ass at my desk and I can
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reacavoc to anybody I'm trying to target. Hence, this is
why we have my predator.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yes, and you know, as you prays up a lot
of times, these predators go on this discord, They go
on these different video games. People all these kids play
together online where they never meet anyone, and everyone says,
oh no, no, they're all kids, don't worry about it,
and then you find out half of them are predators.
How do us as parents, as colleagues, as professionals, as
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friends and family, what can we do to protect ourselves
and protect our loved ones? Because I know that you
have a different, different concepts of offline distress dictates online response.
There's so many different concepts that I've done, going to
have you on again to go through. So this is
more of like an introduction. But how can someone at
least feel safe to take a step to some sort
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of prevention.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well, the first thing is for every online user, for
every listener who has children, whoever that may be. And
I every time I do a radio interview or interview,
I say it, and I say three times, I'll say
it again. Personal information, personal information, person information. Okay, the
less personal information you put online, the lower risk you
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have of being targeted that applies to you, that applies
to your child. So it had all right? So for instance,
real quickly, there are only three ways to manage information
at this time, until someday there's a fourth to mention.
You can compile information, you can disseminate information, and you
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can exchange information through disseminating information, putting it out there
on the internet and exchanging it for others. Well, that
is where us folks run into trouble because what we
fail to understand is that there are many other online
users watching. So even when you have your let's say,
(15:48):
well we'll use Facebook for those that even when you
have your Facebook set up for private, okay, and you
have friends, well your friends have friends, and you know
if you're not, you know, it's just that we live
in a world right now where we are so enveloped
by the Internet, by social media. Goodness, gracious Alexa. Children
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from the moment they wake up to the moment they
go to bed, what do they got in their hand?
Their mobile device? They live by their cell phone these days, okay,
and that's only going to continue. So it's first understanding
that this is real and it's going But when it
comes to parents, okay, it is setting very strict guidelines.
(16:32):
So it's how long do you allow your child to
carry their mobile device? Now? I have volunteered after work
and on the weekend since twenty ten, so we're going
on fourteen years. I have volunteered, and if any of
your listeners are ever in trouble, I provide free volunteer
help to people. But I've been doing it for many years,
and I've heard everything under the sun, and I've heard that,
(16:55):
you know, oftentimes parents will buy and give their child
a mobile device that is Internet connected because and this
is a four and five year old, because in case
my child has is in an emergency when she's out
with whoever she can call. I've heard so many reasons
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why young children are given mobile device when they shouldn't
be given mobile devices. Okay, So it is setting boundaries.
So when it comes to mobile devices, it's it's there's
there's only an allotted amount of time. Okay. There are
parents that I help, and I think it's a great
idea where they come home, they have to give the
(17:37):
mobile device to the parents, they put it in a
little bin, you know, at a certain time. So it's
creating boundaries. And then the other piece is is talking
with your children. It's as young as they it's beginning
to talk to them about their online lives and always
and of course once a child gets into preview, vessence
(17:58):
and teen, they're gonna look kids, you as being square
and you're not cool because what you're a parent. But
still nonetheless you have to talk about it and you
have to create a form to where hopefully they will
come to you if something bad happens. The downside is
though for children, particularly for adolescence, for teens, when they
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get in trouble online and even if they're being you know,
they're even being groomed by an adult online child predator.
Instead of going to an adult that would ultotily lead
to going to the police, they go to their friends.
And we do know the vast majority of children that
are victims of cyberbulling, they don't go to a parent.
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They don't talk about it because why, they're ashamed. So
if anything, they will talk to their friends. So it's
understanding that children, okay, are not going to come to
a parent or a primary caregiver. But it's making sure
you're going to be persistent and talking about it anyway.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yes, absolutely, And I've been hearing also more and more
with many people, is you know, moving on to maybe
to an adult situation with online dating, you know a
lot of everyone, especially since COVID, I think everyone and
anyone who should not be on a dating website decided
to join during COVID, either for good reasons or not.
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And so many times people are not who they say
they are, They're not there for the right reasons. And
these people, you know, the people are going on some
people with very innocent wanting to meet someone, wanting to
find love. Finding out the first couple of times if
this person sounds incredible, giving them all their information, and
then they can't get rid of this person. This person
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is all of a sudden a little bit scary.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
What would you say, Well, which I'm sure you've heard,
this term is called catfishing. There. I have a page
on my called online dating. Online dating is a huge industry,
so the only second to maybe online gaming. But online
dating is huge and many people go on to find
love in online dating, but very quickly. With online dating,
it's understanding that the person you're talking to and when
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we do online dating, just like most of our online interactions,
it is all fantasy, okay, And it's always remembering that
so that if you meet somebody online okay, until you
meet them face to face in a public setting. I
always tell at least three times, you cannot have any feelings.
You cannot allow yourself. You know, I have, literally and goodness,
(20:31):
I don't give exact details of people that I've helped,
so I take, you know, I take pieces of ones
that I've helped and I create a story. But I've
helped women and one man not too I'd say two
women one man over the last fifteen years who actually
told me that they were in love with somebody that
they have never met in person, not only and one
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of the three not only didn't meet them in person,
but didn't even see them on a FaceTime or a
webcam or something where they actually had a visual connection.
Always remember, the definition of cyberspace is defined as an abstract,
artificial digital environment. It's not real, but we as human
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here in twenty twenty four and going forward, we treat
it as something that's real. So when you see somebody
when it comes to online dating or whoever, and you
see a photograph, how do you know that that photograph
is the individual that they're claiming to be. Almost all
online child preadters create fake profiles. Many adults who are
(21:44):
looking to scam other adults in online dating, they create
different profiles and that's how they work. And you know,
there's individuals they'll have fifteen, twenty thirty different profiles and
they are targeting, you know, thirty forty fifty different other
online users, all with the scam of hopefully getting three
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five hundred as much money as they can.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Which unfortunately they do say that numbers game. And then
as they go through it, more and more people they
realize what works and what doesn't.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Work well, and this is why you brought it up
a little bit before, and maybe we can do a
show on odor, which is the acronym odor is offline
distress dictates online response and what that deals with. However,
my offline life is my psychological functioning, my state of being,
whether I'm happy, whether I'm sad, discourage, lonely, whatever it
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may be. Whatever is going in my offline world, I
believe directly affects what I do online. And not only
what I do online, but is what I interpret online.
So if I am let's say, I'm recently broken up
from a spouse or I'm divorced, and I'm lonely and
I'm discourage and I feel fat, okay, and I go
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online and I begin to I don't necessarily say I'm
fat and ugly, but I begin to go online and
I spart, start posting information that others would be able
to see that this young man, well, I still think
I'm a young woman, this young man seems discouraged. Well,
who sees that? Okay? I Predators, eyepredators are always looking
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for the discouraged, always looking for the despondent and the depressed.
They literally search for people that, and some of them
are very good at that, where they're almost like psychologists themselves,
where they're able to read and see information that a
person is posting and be able to conclude that they
would be a good mark, and that's what they do.
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So under odor, offline distress dictates online response. If you
go online and you're you're angry or you're discouraged, you know,
let's say negative, and you go online, okay, you got
to be careful what you put out there. And let's
take the converse of that. Let's say you're manic and
you're happy and you're celeubritatory and you just want something
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or you just got a big job or something great
just happen of opportunity, and now you go online and
you start to talk about that, you also open yourself
up to being targeted. So the less personal information you
put online, the better, and for anybody. If you look
at my website, if you go to you know, my
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Facebook page, my Instagram, there is nothing personal about me.
Nothing for the last goodness. For years, every other day
I post my cheesy. I call them PSAs public service announcements.
They are educational images that schools use, you know, community
agencies can use. They download them for any of your listeners,
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you know, if you're teaching kids, and you know, for
a cyber book every other day. There is nothing personal.
And I do that because when you put out personal information,
you now open yourself up to cyberstalkers, cyber criminals for
children's online child predators. Uh. And then the big one,
which we're dealing with today are called internet trolls. That's
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a whole show in and of itself trolls. So that
is what we're dealing with, the dark side of cyberspace.
And then the other cards.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'm sorry, it's so hard sometimes because I know, I
have a lot of clients and they will meet someone
online and that person sounds incredible, and they seem to
have everything in common, and they're very they want their
into having a relationship. They think this person is so great,
and you know, you try to give them the advice
of okay, wait to you meet them in person, no,
(25:47):
but they can't. They're so busy traveling the world. They
have a very important job, and you know, you almost
have to. They almost feel like you're being a Debbie
Downer And how can you not believe in love? And
I said, it's not about that. It's until you meet
somebody in person, until they show up. And they said, oh,
but that's outdated, that this is the new world. Everything
is online, I said, but that's no one can everyone
(26:09):
is great online. Everyone's great if you don't have to
see their face and what they go through on a
daily activity or when they're you know, discouraged. It's about
really meeting someone in person and really looking at a
period of time. You can't fall in love with someone
just because they've been great to you for three weeks
or three months over over text message or messenger.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Right, and here's a real quick an example in a
pre information age world. Right now, So if I were
to meet you Alexa, and you and I were going
to meet that at a restaurant, okay, you know, you know,
and we're talking, you know, I would say I'm six
to one. In reality, I'm six foot and a half inch.
I'm not really six to one, but I think even
on my license I have six's one. It is part
(26:50):
of the human condition. So we all deceive. We all tried,
I mean, think it will. How does the peacock, you know,
attract a female? You ever see a peacock fully unfurl
his you know, his feathers. He's gorgeous. So in the
wild and in nature and in humans, we always present
ourselves in the best possible way for while to hopefully
(27:14):
get a meete. Okay, so it's not a bad thing.
So even though I say I'm six one, I'm close
to six one. But all of us, all of us,
you know, make ourselves. You know, it's called presenting yourself
in the best possible light. We all do that, and
there's nothing wrong with that. But now when people go
online and if they have nefarious intentions and they're looking
(27:36):
to harm you, they take that normal proclivity and now
they create totally different profiles and people. I mean, and
this is where we have cat fishing. They create i
don't know, a metaphor an eye, something that is not real,
but they're good enough to get others to believe it. Yes,
(28:00):
you know, So if any of your listeners, if anybody,
anybody ever asks you to send money, no matter what
they say, never send money. Never, no, no.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
And don't give that information about identity or what they
can use to to have your personal information or anything
like that, because I think you know, again, as you said,
the more information they get, the more and you have to.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Tell I mean, I mean, and I'm sure some of
your listeners, some may be celebrities, some may be public figures,
you know, some may you know. So so people that
are public figures, people that are you know, engaged in
the community, they have to give out some personal information.
But it but even if you're a celebrity, even if
you are a public figure, it's truncating that information. The
(28:50):
left is better.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yes, yes, we have a little bit of time left.
Would you be able to discuss a little bit about trolling,
if just to give my viewers, my listeners a little
bit of information about trolling, because so much that word
is used so much on being trolled or I have
trolls and a lot of people think it's positive that
oh wow, look I have trolls, I have.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Views, I have life. Okay, So and again this is
all at my website. It's all free to download. In
the old days, goodness, the old days that we've all
been so so classic Internet trolls. Internet trolls are still here.
They've been around for decades. Internet trolls are and they
(29:33):
used to be mostly men. They still but now we're
starting to see there's there's an increase in female online
user trolls too. And internet troll is somebody who goes online, wouldever,
whether it be social media, online gaming, message, whatever the
forum is, the internet troll goes online and what his
job is forgive my New York language, his job is
(29:56):
to piss you off. And if he can provoke you,
if he can engage in an argument with the kids
called flaming, he's done his job. He feels good about himself.
He pats himself on the back because he feels he's
a sense of ego stroke to himself because he was
successful in getting you angry. That is the classic Internet roll.
(30:17):
They still live, They still are in every social media form,
so forth and so on. But and I wrote about
this several years back. What they are the least of
our concern. What we have now are call what I
call are the predatory trolls. Predatory trolls are not just
going online to piss you off. They now so not
(30:38):
only am I looking to get you upset, Alexa, I
am now going to call your job. I'm going to
call your family, I'm going to call listeners to your
block spot. I'm even gonna call block. I am going
to do whatever I can to completely and utterly destroy
your reputation and your online presence. And predatory trolls they
(31:00):
will stop at nothing to completely destroy you. And this
is what we're stopping. More and more. I have been
them that happened to yes, and it's happening more and more.
I mean, the old saying for regular trolls, remember the
regular classic troll is. I don't know if you've heard
(31:22):
this term, don't feed the trolls. Basically that term, which
has been around for years, don't feed the troll is
essentially if you avoid their, block them, don't pay attention
to them, they will. You know, they'll go and they'll
go target somebody else. That occurs most of the times,
but when you're dealing with predatory trolls, it's a whole
different ballgame. Because predatory trolls they will there's they almost
(31:45):
have an obsessive quality about them. There. Let me just
something that's very important when it comes to trolls. And
I like to talk about this because I know if
there are trolls, which I'm sure there's some trolls that
are going to listen to this, you know, because I
controlled all the time. Ever since I wrote Predator Ye.
Back in twenty fourteen, the University of Manitoba did a
(32:07):
huge study on trolls. This is twenty fourteen, so it's
been ten years. And what they developed is what's called
the Dark tetrad, all right, the Dark tetrad. And what
they found that Internet trolls are at much higher rates
of being sadistic, psychopathic, macavelian, and narcissistic. The dark tetrad.
(32:31):
These are individuals that enjoy the anguish and the harm
they're causing you into your loved ones. And that is
the sadistic, Okay. The psychopathic is they don't care. You
are an object you deserve because you post it online
that you support Trump or you support Biden, Okay, whatever
(32:53):
it may be, you deserve to be targeted. That's the psychopathic.
You know. Theistic aspect of the Internet roll is that
they see themselves as the center of the proverbial universe,
that they see themselves as better than you. So when
you take into consideration the Dark tetrad, this is why
(33:14):
the Internet trolls spend their time because Alexa, think about it,
they don't get paid for this. But the amount of
energy and effort and sometimes money that they have to spend, Okay,
is quite a lot when what are they getting in return?
Nothing but their own self satisfaction and maybe a pad
on the back from another internetrol that they deal with.
(33:37):
That's how perverse internet rolls can be, yes.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
And how and how dangerous. And I think you know
so many people want to to you know, have that
conflict or to debate. It's not about debating when you're
debating with someone who who is a psychopath, a sociopath,
and who's out there to destroy you. It's not about
proving right or wrong. I think it's really about safety,
(34:02):
knowing what you're dealing with.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Right, And we only have okay, and I'm sorry, we
only have a minute or two, I'm sure so, but
real quickly. So if you're being targeted, it is And
the first thing is is to maintain compile evidence. You
have to create a dossier of information. Okay, So you
create a dotsia of information of where you're getting targeted,
how you're getting targeted, and to keep evidence, you know,
(34:26):
screenshot and yes, it's laborious, it's time intensive, and but
that's what you have to do. The second step is
is that you go to your police department and you
fill out a report. Now, it's going to fall on
deaf ears. I'm telling everybody right now, unless it's child
pornography or something truly illegal, illegal, the vast majority of
(34:46):
what when you go into to forget a police report,
the vast majority they're going to say, thank you, we
can't help you. But you get the police report anyway.
So you compile information, you get a police rep poor,
and I mean, depending on your finances, you may have
to see a cyber attorney, an attorney that knows about
(35:08):
internet law. That is the next step. Because predatory trolls,
as I said earlier alexis they go after your job.
They go after you know, anything they can do to
take you down. You know. So if you're working at
a job and you have an EAP or human resources
and you suspect you're getting trolled, you have to let
your EAP and your human resources representative. No, you may
(35:32):
get calls from this internet troll. So but by providing evidence,
by compiling something, at least you can prove that you're
being targeted.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yes, yes, well we have covered so much, but there
is so much more. I have so many more questions
and different ideas and concepts that you have written about
that I definitely want to have you come back on
to go over them and to explore. And again, if
any listeners have any questions, please send a question to
(36:03):
Insight into Healing at gmail dot com. We will definitely
answer it. I can also send it over to Michael
to help answer some of these questions. But thank you
so much for joining us tonight and just opening our
eyes and giving us some beginning safety tips on how
we can protect ourselves from iypredators.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Oh, thank you, Alexia. Anytime, hopefully there'll be another day
we come back on.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Absolutely absolutely, and again everyone, thank you so much for
tuning in. Everyone, have a good night and God bless
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