Break Free from the Addiction of Busyness with Francine Tirrell

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Speaker 2 (00:41):
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in the Divine Marketplace. So I got to tell you.
When I saw my guest's message about this topic, I
was like, Oh my goodness, Francine, we got to get
you on the show. So are you addicted to busyness fun?
Is it sabotaging your happiness and success? I was there

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at one time. Today francying Terrell joins me to help
you uncover what's truly keeping you stuck. She has mindset
shifts and spiritual insights to help you reclaim your energy,
trust yourself, and confidently make your big gass up level
in life and business. She is a spiritual mindset coach,

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energy healer, and founder of Forever Changed Coaching. She works
with women who are ready for that big gass up level,
but feel stuck, overwhelmed, and unsure where to begin. And
I've been there. It's not fun juggling it all. They
struggle to create the space needed to figure out what's
next in their life. And if applicable their business. She

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helps her clients unravel the patterns keeping them spinning and
overdrive so they can reclaim the energy, confidence, and clarity.
She does this through a powerful blend of mindset coaching,
eft oracle cod readings, and energy healing. Can you now
see why I love her work and her message and
she supports women in clearing the mental and emotional clutter

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holding them back. Welcome Francy, and I'm so glad that
you hear today.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I am so glad to be here and to have
this conversation.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Well, you know, one of the things we were talking
off air, when I saw that addicted to busyness come through,
I'm like, oh my god, ten women draw you know,
came into my mind. I'm like, I was that person
twenty years ago, and I can see patterns of how
it can sneak back into my life. So when did

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you like identify that there was an addiction to busyness
for so many women?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, so I would say, I think I've always somewhat
known this, but I don't think I ever put the
name to it until the last couple of years. And
you know, there's so many different addictions there's you know,
we're addicted to food, which I also used to be.
I used to weigh three hundred pounds thirty years ago,
so I I was, you know, there's addiction to alcohol,

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there's addiction to drugs, and then there's the addiction to busyness.
The difference with the others are you know, there's labels
you're fat, you're a drunk, you're an addict. But when
you're addicted to busyness, you get pats on the back,
you get at a girls, right, Wow, look at everything
you're accomplishing. You're doing so well. Our worthiness is attached

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oftentimes I'm not going to make a blanket statement, but
often is attached to what we do. So if we're
doing we're worthy. And I think until we can heal
that that feeling of not feeling worthy, then the busyness continues.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
And as you was speaking, I was thinking back to
those times. It is a worthiness thing for me. It
was if I'm busy, I'll prove my worth if I
keep going. And you just brought me back to that
time in the nineties when I when I had my
other store, it was I pushed so hard and at
the time I didn't know I was doing it to
fulfill a wound inside myself. Hindsight, of course, I see

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that it was a deep wound that I wasn't valuable
or worthy as I am. Yeah, I needed all these
I guess you pats on the back. I guess you
can say business awards, community awards, and it can become addicting,
can it?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Absolutely? And it also stops us from feeling right. So
if we're really busy, we don't have time to be
mindful and sit with our feelings and our emotions. So
if I'm busy, there's no space for anything else. I'll
share a couple of years ago, I I mean, I've

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always been a woman who, you know, a little bit
type a personality, always had multiple jobs on my hands
in a lot of things. But since twenty twenty or
the end of twenty nineteen, I've been in my business
full time and so less hands in my you know,
in multiple buckets. So a couple of years ago, I

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had signed up for a three day workshop. At the
last minute, something came up and I had to cancel.
But I had three days with nothing scheduled on my
calendar because I had been planning to not be at
my office and I woke up on the first day
and I went into my I call it my serenity room.
We have this little reading room. And I went into
my serenity room to read, and I started to feel

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anxious and I and my internal brain said, I have
to go do something. But because I've done enough work
on myself, I went hold on what's happening right now,
because you don't actually have anything to do. But I
could feel like almost like a little bit of anxiousness
of just sitting because I was being lazy. I was
wayt time whatever the story was, and I am an

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EFT practitioner, so I did some tapping on it to
try to understand what was coming up. And that's when
it came up, is this like, if I'm just sitting here,
I'm not worthy, right, I'm not worthy just by existing.
So I allowed myself to just continue sitting right like
feeling that feeling because in the past I would have

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wouldn't have had the space to even acknowledge that I
was feeling a little uncomfortable. But knowing, you know, having
the tools in my toolbox, I knew something felt off,
and I allowed myself the opportunity for curiosity, and once
I realized that, I was like, oh, okay, I need
to just sit here and allow myself to feel it,

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because that's the thing is like I could have just
gone and distracted myself by answering emails or doing whatever
needed to be done at my desk, but the real
work was me sitting in that discomfort. And so often
we're not willing to sit in the discomfort.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Ooh it's sweet, but been living in my mind and
body women, That's exactly how I used to feel likety.
Guilty is the word I would use. How did you
not be doing something right now? How do you sit
out on the porch and enjoying the beautiful view of
your pond?

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Right?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I those internal conversations that made that were trying to
tell me that I wasn't worthy just for being myself.
And do you notice it's I don't know if like myself,
I work with all women?

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I don't want to assume you.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
I primarily work. I have worked with men, but I
would say I nine percent of my business as women,
So yes, so I notice it more with women.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yes, That's what I wanted to know, because I see
it when they don't know how to be still, and
I follow feminine principles at this point in my life.
I did it thirty years ago. Where there's a flow
is ebbs and flow with energy, nature and within ourselves.
We're not meant to be doing, doing doing all the time.
We're meant to be and I had to learn how

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to be. And it sounds like you had that experience.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, absolutely, And you know you said something about sitting,
you know, looking at your pond, and that is doing,
but it's doing from the feminine right. Sometimes you probably
get amazing downloads when you're sitting there that help your business.
But we think of it as there's a label of laziness.
You're not doing, you're not active, right, it's more of

(09:35):
a passive doing than an active doing. But it's I
think now my belief, and I'm sure yours is the same.
It's more important than the active doing.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh my goodness, it really is. And everything you just
said is so true. I get my best intuitive downloads,
then my projects come to life faster and easier because
I give space to receive, to hear, to create the
sacred containers for them. Where in the past, when I
was in other energy thirty years ago, it was I

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didn't even take time to think. It was like what's
the next task? There was like that never ending to
do list that I would just keep going down. I
wasn't present right.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, And I think that's it. It's the active presence, right.
So that's one of the ways to break the addiction
is allowing yourself that active presence to feel that discomfort
like I did a few years ago. Right, Oh okay,
I need to sit here and feel this feeling and
a lot and I think part of it. You know,

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most of the women I work with live a lot
in their head, and the lot of the work is
having them, you know, recognize that there's something below their
neck and feel their body and allow themselves to feel
into that feeling so that when they're on the other
side of that discomfort, they recognize that they're safe. I

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call myself a control freaking recovery So I always need,
like I needed evidence that I was going to be okay. Right,
so sit in that discomfort and then on the other
side of it, Oh okay, nothing bad happened. I'm still okay.
So the next time I can sit even longer in
the discomfort until it isn't uncomfortable anymore.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I giggled out loud when you said that about being
a control freak, because in a couple of my books
that I published, I say in one of the intros,
I was always a micro manager of the divine. I
want this, deliver it at this time in this way,
like I held on so tightly, right, and now when

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you enter that state of flow and trust, it's so different.
So I had a laugh when you said that, because
I can relate fancy.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Right, I want to surrender, but I'll tell you how
it's in a work exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's nice to hear someone else admit that too. Oh yeah.
And once I started surrendering and letting go and trusting,
life just opened up. I'm not saying I don't still
have those tendencies, because that's how I'm wired, but I
choose trust and flow now.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, and I bring it back to presence. I had
a couple of years ago I had a medical scare
and I was sitting in a waiting room waiting to
meet with the doctor, and I went down this rabbit
hole of how am I going to manage the treatments
and blah blah blah. So I was like literally creating
a plan. And then all of a sudden I caught
myself and I was like, what are you doing? There's

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nothing in this moment, There was nothing wrong with me
that could have changed, and it didn't when the nurse came.
But so my mantra is right here, right now, I'm okay,
right here, right now, I'm fine because so often we're
living in the past or we're living in the future,
and we're not in this present space and that's the

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only thing we live if we want our control, that
is the only thing we have control over.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yes, And it sounds like our backgrounds is the same,
because I used to have anxiety, which of course is
rooted in the past, and then fear of the future.
In my mantra is hand on hot every time anxiety
comes up, not as much anymore, but it for many years,
and it's in this moment all as well, because in
this moment, I'm sitting in this chair having this beautiful

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conversation with you.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Right and nothing else exists, yes, only now.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
And I never used to get that human All the
spiritual teachers Deepak at car and I'm like, how the
hell can they be in the now? What about this
and this and this, and then I got it.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
I was listening to and her name Escapes Me, a
woman a few years ago that teaches on manifestation. And
she said my husband and I were driving and we
were listening to it. We actually had to stop it
and rewind it because she said, in this moment, you
don't have debt because and what her point was, you
can't be in the debt and be present listening to her,

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and I was like, whoa, right, because you can't walk
into we can't walk in chew gum. We can't do
two things right. And I was like, that is fascinating,
because if we're always dwelling on the what if and
I have all this dead or whatever it is, we're
not present listening to her.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, it's so true.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Is yeah? I mean that like was one of those
you know, you have those those spiritual things, you know,
like hold on, I need a minute to process this
what's going on? Oh?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
But yes, I've said many of those moments, right, the
times when we pivot, Yeah, and something shifts within us
seeing we're going to take our first break and we'll
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Welcome back. You're listening to inspire conversations and we have
been this empowering conversation about our addiction to business as
a woman, doing the work to uncover what's really keeping
you stuck in so much more with francying Terrell so Friencine,

(17:39):
I love that phrase big ass up level because I've
gone through a few of those in my life.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Nice, but I.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Want your definition explain that to us. And then how
do you help women recognize when it's time for this,
because I think so many women stay frozen or in
fear and don't want to go into that next level.
But I think there's magic in the next level.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Absolutely, so the big ass up level can be. That
actually came a couple of years ago when I hired
somebody to help me with copy and she was like,
what do you do? And anyone who knows anything about
coaching you have to have like a niche, right, and
I'm a little niche resistant. And she was like, well,
what do you do? And I would tell her all
the things I did with different clients, and she's like, oh,

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you help them make big ass up levels. I was like,
you know what, Actually, that's exactly what I do. But
it's different for everyone. So for some women, like I've
worked with women who want to leave a corporate job
to follow a passion project, right, And then I've worked
with other women who want to get back in the dating.
So I think of it as whatever is your edge,

(18:47):
whatever you know you mentioned fear, whatever has that little
fear factor and maybe you're a little afraid to do.
I had a woman I worked with last year. She's
a website designer and for a year had been working
on her own and I'm using air quotes here, had
been working on her own website and not getting it done.

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We started working together and what we uncovered was she
was actually in business with her mom, and her mom
was retiring. So what we uncovered and I worked together
was that she actually needed to rebrand her business so
that it was now just hers. Once she had that awareness,
she got the new brand, got the new website, like

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within months, it was all done. So sometimes she was
you're not even aware like that to her it was
the day to day thing she wasn't even getting done,
But it really was something deeper than that. So I
think it's anything that there's an edge and you're feeling
a little uncomfortable, right, or you might even be spinning

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a little bit because you're like, should I do this,
Should I do that? What do I want to do? No,
I'm going to stay comfortable.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
That resonates for me, and I love what you discovered.
When that client discovered is she thought it was one thing, right.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
She complained about the time, she doesn't have time, she's
working on her client stuff, right, like all the normal excuses.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, but there's something deeper when you pay the excavation
work right, And then that's exactly what happens too, isn't
it Once you get to that moment of excavating what
the real truth is. It's almost like everything opens up.
The clod comes in, the inspiration comes in, time bends

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itself because look what she got done that she thought
previously she couldn't get done.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Right. I had a woman I worked with a couple
of years ago that was an executive in a corporate position,
and when she first came to me, she was burnt out, exhausted,
not a good mom, not a good employee, not a
good partner, and she really didn't know what to do.
She had some passion projects that she wanted to do,
but she had all this fear around money, so she

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couldn't leave this well paying corporate job and a few
months after working together, she did give her notice and
they asked her to stay, so she did, and then
she got more burnt out and then I think it
was like December of whatever year it was, she she
quit again and they said, what do you want and
she said, I want to be a contractor and work
I don't know, ten or twenty hours a week and

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that's it. And they said okay, And in January of
the following year she did that. She quit. She did
one project with them, and then she became she started
her own business, and it really was the work that
we had done was she had to work through the
money fears, the stories she was telling herself about her

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value attached to what she does. And after she quit
her job and started her own business, she ran a marathon.
Last summer. I think she spent half the summer in
Europe with her family, right like, so, she didn't really
know what she wanted. She she just knew where she
was was not the right place anymore too. So sometimes

(22:05):
it's a little bit of both that you know you
have something and you want to pursue it, but other
times it's us I'm covering and figuring out what exactly
it is well.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
That thing what you just mentioned awareness, that's the biggest thing,
isn't it? Because absolutely that's not all my clients. But
the weirdness if you don't know the truth of where
you are right now, whether that's emotionally, physically, spiritual, job, health,
how can you ever get where you want to go? Right?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
And you don't even need to know where you want
to go necessarily, I just need to know this isn't
where you want to be anymore.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, And it's almost like kind of like that day
that you spoke about at the beginning, where you didn't
how to just be with yourself, right, the fact that
you had the awareness to recognize the feelings and emotions
that were coursing to you, that was a moment of awareness. Right.
Do you think that a lot of us, especially as women,

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we put ourselves last on our to do list, and.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
So if we're even on the to do listening, well,
thank you, let's be real.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
It has and I think they because we as women,
when we're in that mode, we really become disconnected from ourselves.
I can remember thirty years ago when I got on
this path going it's kind of like that movie Runaway Bride.
I saw it when Richard Gears says, what kind of
eggs do you like? Because I don't know. I don't
know what kind of eggs I like. I just eat

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whatever my past partners eate. And I started bawling because
that was me. Oh like, I don't even know what
kind of eggs I like, And I had to get
to know my true self. Do you notice that with
women they don't even have a connection with their deeper self.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Absolutely. I teach a workshop called how to Do More
by Being More, because so often when we introduce ourselves,
you know, we say, I'm a wife, I'm a mother,
I'm assistant, right, like what we're doing, But who are
we being? Right? We have the checklist and the to
do list of the things that we do because those

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are our roles, but there's so much more to us.
And if we can show up as who we're being,
there's so much more that opens up for us.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
It's so true. And what is some of the patterns
you see most that often keep women stuck in either overwhelmed, burnout,
over committing in. How do you help them break free?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah? So great question. I think there's a couple of things. One,
it's our intuitively, I'm torn between two words. I'm gonna
say both of them because it may resonate differently our
inability or our resistance to vulnerability. Yes, right, Like I

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was like inability, no resistance. Right, it's a little bit
of both, and it can be both. I for a
long time, and sometimes even now, I used to say
vulnerability is a full letter word for me. Right, asking
for our needs to be met? Woof, that's a big one, right,
We really need to find a way to be able
to ask for our needs to be met, and then

(25:21):
also recognizing that self care is not selfish. I had
a conversation with a woman years ago where I said
to her, you know, you need to put the oxygen
mask on you first before you put it on anyone else.
And she said that that made her so angry that
I could even say that, And I said, well, if
you're not here, if you're not healthy and well for
your children, how is that going to serve that you're dead? Right, Like,

(25:45):
if you're not taking care of yourself, you can't be
here for your kids. But we have to take care
of self before we take and that's not a selfish piece, right,
That is we get to show up better for those
around us when we actually are taking better care of
ourselves and then boundaries. Right, saying no is okay, but

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you have to be willing to sit in the discomfort
because it will feel uncomfortable the first few times. I've
been saying no for ten years, and I still feel
bad sometimes, but I can't not do it or cancel something,
or you know, say this collaboration doesn't work anymore, right,
being pulled out because we want to be lightd right will.
We don't want fomo, we want to be involved. But

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being able to create boundaries around certain things as well.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well. The vulnerability piece really speaks to me. And for me,
I can say I didn't have the ability in my
younger years to be vulnerable because of all the childhood wounds.
Then it became as I became a weird that I
had giant walls on my heart. Then it became I
became resistant to letting them down once I knew they

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were there. But it's been the greatest gift I ever
gave myself, of.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Course, and one of the things that I teach my
clients about vulnerability is vulnerability is the ability to ask
for what you need that doesn't mean the person you're
asking has to give it to you. And I think

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that's a hard one, right, because I can say to you, Hey, Linda,
I need one thousand dollars from you. Right, I'm in
a really rough space financially and I really need this.
Can you help me? And you get to have boundaries
and say, g Francine, no, I can't. But that doesn't
mean I can't ask someone else. That just means you're

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not the right person to fill that need or I
need a hug or whatever that is. And when the
person says and so often we're afraid to ask because
we're afraid of and I'm going to say this word,
and then I'm gonna qualify the rejection. And I don't
think it's a rejection of self. I just think it's
the other person having their own boundaries. I used to

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be a professional matchmaker and a date and relationship coach,
and people used to say to me, I don't want
to feel rejected. And I said, well, you know, let's
flip the switch. You don't want to second date with
everyone you go out on. Are you actually rejecting them
or choosing you? And they go, oh, well, I'm choosing
me and I'm like, okay, so the same is on
the other side of the coin, too, right.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I love that that was a great way to show
them that, yeah, truly rejection, but that in vulnerability. I
think that is what we fear right, right, and then
we kind of shut down again what it doesn't go
the way we want? But I love how you just
flipped the switch to say no. They're just honoring their boundaries.

(28:54):
It's not a personal reflection on us.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Right, And it still can hurt our woundings, right, It
still may feel bad, but the work is to not
let it stop us from asking again.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
That's so true. It's so true. And the more you ask,
I think you build your courage muscles.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Absolutely. I remember the first time I set a boundary
and said no to someone. The discomfort was paid like,
and I could have said yes, but I had made
a decision to say no, and I had to sit
with that discomfort. I was like, I should just do it.
I should just do the thing right so I don't
have to be uncomfortable. But I knew that I had
to practice it.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, it's isn't it funny? We all we all become
teachers of our greatest struggles right.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Oh, of course I'm saying here.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
That's why I were resonating so much. Okay, quick break
fancy and we come back. I want to talk about
some of the spiritual tools you use, like EFT, energy
healing and more.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yep, perfect, We'll be back in a moment.

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You're listening to inspired conversations. This is Linda Joey the
host with Fancying Terrell's Spiritual Mindset Coach, and we're talking
about the addiction to busyness, vulnerability, boundaries, and so much
more so. When I introduced you, I mentioned tools like
EFT energy Healing oracle cords, and you blend there intuitively

(32:33):
with your mindset coaching. Why has that combination been so
powerful for you and your clients?

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, so, a lot of the women that I work
with live in their brain, so it's important. You know,
coaching can be very cerebral, but it can also move
us into our body a little bit and incorporating these
you know, I use e f T and for the

(33:00):
is that don't know what ef T is, some people
know it as tapping. It is a healing modality that
combines elements of acupressure and modern psychology. And when you
tap on certain points on the body and focus on
a specific issue, it can help release the emotional blockage
and restore balance to your energy system. And oftentimes my

(33:25):
clients are trying to figure out what's going on, and
they're doing it from the same place that the issue
was created, and we can't solve the problem from the
same mindset that it was created from so ef T
or different healing techniques. I have a couple of different
healing methodologies that I use. They get to a deeper

(33:51):
place than just and it takes them out of their head.
And then oracle cards. Sometimes there's just an added level
of guidance, right that's needed, So that can just be
a full session or just an add on to our
session to just kind of give some guidance. But when
you combine EFT with coaching, I feel like it really

(34:11):
gets deeper, and sometimes it gets to the root of
what clients didn't even know was keeping them stuck, Like
that client with the website last year that came from
a result of EFT and using some other modalities because
she did not realize that that was part of it.
Like that she actually had to grieve that her and
her mom weren't going to be I think they were

(34:33):
in business for twenty years, so that wasn't a conscious awareness.
And sometimes we have to get to the subconscious to
actually see what's really going on, what's keeping us stuck.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
And I love all the tools that you mentioned. I've
used personally myself for my healing journey and they work. Yes,
And I say to anyone that's listening right now. If
you're feeling stuck, if you you are feeling like you're
the micromanager of the divine, lean in, reach out to Franccene.
Because we don't have This is why I tell all

(35:09):
women we don't have to walk this path alone. Right
there is always someone. I've always seen this visual fran
scene that I was given maybe twenty five years ago.
It's a spiral. I always see it as a trail
in nature, and there's ahead of me there's all women
holding their lanterns going up the spiral. And then when

(35:32):
I turn around, there's woman behind me holding the lanterns.
But no matter what, there's always someone holding the light
for the one behind them.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Oh what a beautiful vision. I was visualizing that as
you said it.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I'm going to tell you it was given me in
a vision, and I use it with my clients all
the time. I go all of us around the journey,
some of us like yourself and myself. We've gone through
the mut we've gone and excavated, and we've found these
two that helped us, and now we share them with others.
But we're still on the same path as everyone else.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
We're still more excavating to do.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Always as always, I've always said this for years. If
anyone tell any guru, any teacher, says that they're there
like hell, because there is no there.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Exactly, there is when we've passed on from this, from
this existence right until we.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Get to the next one.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah, So what.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
We're going to do is I want to talk about
you're using these powerful tools. So do you do it
in just personal coaching? You offer group coaching and tell
us a little bit of how people can work with you.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah. So I have done a group coaching program in
the past. I'm considering starting that up up again, maybe
later this year or at the beginning of next year.
But I also do workshops and programs. I have a
program that is rolling out in the fall where I'm
combining ef T, these conscious codes that I use and coaching.

(37:06):
It's called from Overwhelmed to Thriving. It's going to be
a six week program, so they'll be combined in that
and then I combine them in my one on one coaching.
So depending upon what my clients need based on our
conversation is what shows up. Sometimes it's just straight coaching.
Sometimes it's an entire EFT session. Sometimes it's a healing.

(37:27):
You know, if they come to me and they're really stressed,
I have an adrenal reset healing that I'll use on them.
So really is dependent upon the client. And I can
see three clients in a day and do three different
things for the clients because coaching is not my agenda.
It's really what the client needs and just letting them sometimes.

(37:50):
You know, sometimes we may make a decision and our
last session, hey, we're gonna do some EFT on that
in the next session, And then we get to the
next session and something else is showing up for them
and we focus on what that is.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Tells me you have an intuitive coach. Are tapping into
what they need and then pull in from your spiritual
tomb chest to serve them. And I think that's the
most powerful kind of coach. Where they don't expect us,
the client and I lead the same way. They don't
expect us to fit into a box, right, because I

(38:21):
think that paradigm doesn't work anymore. Right right, we have intuitive, sensitive,
energetic beings. We have to be guided through all elements
of who we are, not just one element. Like we
can't just talk to the mind, right, We've got to
connect with the body, the spirit, the soul of the
essence to get to the stuff, the stuff that we

(38:43):
usually don't want to get to, but it's the most
healing thing once you're on the other side of it.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Absolutely, And you know, our mind lies to us one
hundred percent of the time. Our real truth is in
our body. Right, So if we can get tapped into
our body and feel I teach my clients how to
muscle test using their body as a pendulum. Show me
you know, I say, show me yes, show me no.
Usually we fall forward for yes and we fall backwards

(39:11):
for no. So like, is you know, if you have
to make a decision, is this for my highest and
best good? Yes? Because our brain is going to say no,
I can't afford it, it's too much money, I don't
have the time, I don't whatever the excuse is, but
our body is like, yes, please do this thing. I
need this thing, or no, this isn't the right fit
for us. And allowing our body our body is intuitive.

(39:33):
We are all intuitive. I hosted my niece's high school
graduation on Saturday and sat with a bunch of her
friends at the end of the day doing some card
readings and I looked at all of them and they're
all so intuitive, but they're all on their phones that
they aren't even aware. They're not quiet enough to let
anything come in, right, But like teaching them to just

(39:56):
be quiet for just a short period of time and
listen to what is coming in for them.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
I'll tell you I have a twenty five year old grandson.
So when you said looking at the phone, I'm like,
that's all they know. They would be that a freaking phone, Yes,
And it breaks my heart because they're disconnected from their essence,
their intuition, the people around them. So when you said that,
it just brought back some conversations we've had with him

(40:24):
about you know, being present in your own life. The
stuff on your phone is not your.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Life, right, and it is to make it their lives right.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yes. Yes, And we're going to take our final break
and when we come back, I want to talk about
something because you just touched on it in the previous
episode A lot of women asked me, So I'm going
to ask you the same question, Linda. How do I
know when it's fear talking to me? I call it
my negative nelly, right, or my intuition talking to me,

(40:57):
how do I know which one is? And I'm really
curious what you've thoughts.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Run that okay, perfect and we'll be back in a moment.

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Thanks for circling up with us today. I'm Linda Joy,
your host in Friencine. Terrella is here with me today.
So seeing this last segment, I wanted to talk about
how you help women decipher the messaging, the feelings, the
emotions that are coming up, how they decide for between

(44:00):
fear in their higher self. Because it's a question. I
know I've gotten a lot over the years, So what
would you share with them?

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah, that's a I love this question. And I'm going
to share a story that happened to me. And this
is how I teach my clients as well. It goes
back to listening to the body. So I was laid
off from my corporate job in December of twenty nineteen.
I've been a coach for twelve years. But you know,
I had my own story that I couldn't quit my

(44:29):
corporate job and blah blah blah, blah blah blah, blah.
And in December of twenty nineteen, I was with a
startup that didn't quite start up, so in December they closed,
and then I went back looking for a job because
that's what you do. And then this little thing called
COVID happened. And then in April of twenty twenty, somebody
reached out and said, hey, are you coaching? And I
was like sure, because other than painting my entire house,

(44:51):
what else am I doing right now? So I started
taking on some coaching clients, but I was still looking
for a job. And what I noticed every time I
had an interview, my body like I could feel the
anxiety in my body. My body constricted. I was miserable
going to the you know having they were all zoom

(45:11):
go having an interview. But when I was coaching, my
body was expansive. You can't you can't see me, but
my arms are out by my side right like I
could feel the expansiveness. And finally I said to my husband,
we're going to have to figure this out cause my
body is saying no, no, no, no no. And the
job piece was fear of money, right it was I

(45:33):
have to have a secure paycheck, I have to do this,
So sitting in what was first, I had to be
aware that there was something coming up right, and that
that those two feelings of the constriction versus the expansion
was information. And then I had to look at, okay,
well what's going on here? Well, you know, I'm used

(45:55):
to having a steady pay. I'm used to having you know,
vacation and doing all the things. And then trust and surrender, right, Like,
how can I know that whatever's meant for me?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
You know?

Speaker 3 (46:07):
I had a client say to me, and I love
when your clients teach you. Last year she said, whatever's
meant for me will not pass me. And I was like,
right right, and that's true. Like I check in with myself.
Is this what I'm supposed to be doing? Yeah, it is,
I muscle test. Should I be looking at doing something else?

Speaker 8 (46:22):
No?

Speaker 3 (46:23):
And really listening to that, but paying attention. Fear is
just information, and it's often what we think we're afraid
of isn't usually what we're afraid of. I jumped out
of a plane twelve ten, twelve years ago, and the
gentleman said to me, why are you doing this? And
I said, well, because I'm afraid of heights. And he

(46:45):
said no, you're not. And I kind of got a
little indignant. I was like, don't tell me what I'm
afraid of, and he said, no, what you're afraid of
is falling. And that shifted everything for me when it
came to fear, because so often what we I think
we're afraid of isn't actually the real thing. So we
have to really get clear on what's driving the fear,

(47:07):
like what's really underneath that, right, because I've been in
tall buildings. I wasn't afraid of those, but I don't
want to fall from a tall building, right, it's the
falling part. So it's finding out, like really getting to
the root of what the fear is. And then oftentimes
it's recognizing that it's just a story that we've created

(47:32):
and being willing to let that story go. You know.
Sometimes there's some eft involved, sometimes there might be some
energy work involved. Sometimes it might just be some homework
in journaling every day, right, But there's something about being
willing to let that go.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
And I love how you describe the feeling in the
body's friction expansive. Yeah, And for me, I've always described
it as you know, that wisdom that comes in it's
either fear or that intuitive wisdom. And I had to
learn how to feel it and decipher in my body
as you did. And some of the phrases I use

(48:13):
is when it's my I named mine, my innocritic negative
Nelly like thirty years ago. I don't know why I
picked Nelly, so I apologize to all Nelly's out there.
But I when I started to tune in, I'm like, oh,
when when she's speaking, I feel less than I don't
feel enough, I feel unworthy, I feel like a failure.

(48:36):
But when my soul is speaking on my intuition, I
feel filled with possibility, hope, love, And then everything you
just shared resonates with me of how I feel it
now in my body. But those are the words like,
until we can identify it in our body, it's hard
to shift it. So when you were able to identify

(49:00):
it and work with yourself on it, don't you feel
that just that moment of awareness of who's leading the
conversation right now, it gives us the power to make
a choice to tune into the intuition over the fear.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Absolutely, And I don't believe change can even happen if
we don't have awareness first, right, so we have to
be aware of you know this doesn't feel right, or
I know I want to do something else, or whatever
the thing is. But it starts with awareness and then
the steps and the tools then support the change.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, yes, there was something else fancy, And you said
you so you shared a personal aspect of your life.
There at one time you overrate that was one of
your healing journey, and I was the opposite. For the
first thirty five years of my life. I was intorexic.
So but that's all comes to a sense of control,

(49:59):
does it?

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Absolutely? And I often to this day. I don't think
I've ever been hungry a day in my life. Right,
Like it's a it's a numbing, co coping mechanism. Right
if I am uncomfortable, I'll go fill that that hole
that doesn't feel good. Now I sit with it instead
of filling it.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yeah, And I now nourish myself because I'm worthy of
the nourishment. Right. Love that And the reason I bring
that up, I'm curious because I think those who were
so disconnected from their bodies through things like we struggled
with it was a longer journey for me to reconnect.
And something you said I think at the beginning, it

(50:43):
was almost like you were in my therapist office thirty
five years ago. I remember in my I was I
was maybe thirty thirty one. I'm sixty three for context,
and my inexia was really I was ninety pounds at
thirty years old, never hospitalized, but it was a struggle.
And I said to her she was trying to Thankfully

(51:06):
she was spiritual and she had all those tools, and
she goes, describe yourself to me. I go, well, really,
I feel like I live in my head and this
thing below the neck is an appendage that I just
have to carry around. And when I think of me
saying that, how many of the women are so disconnected
their body they don't have the awareness of the present moment,

(51:28):
Because that was me and I didn't know how to
decipher the language of my body as you've been beautifully
sharing because of that disconnection. Did you experience that.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Too, in yeah, you know, I this is probably part
of my healing journey because I when I was thirty,
my mom passed away right before I turned twenty six,
and my sisters and I stayed in our home together
for a couple of years. And when I was thirty,
I was eating three meals a day out of my
house because I was working two jobs, and I got

(52:01):
to a place where I couldn't afford it anymore. So
I just started eating better. I never went on a diet,
and my elastic waistband started getting looser. So over the
course of I don't even know a year, maybe two years,
I lost over one hundred pounds. I still don't resonate, like,
I still don't really feel connected to that person, because

(52:25):
this was so for context, I turned sixty this year,
so it was literally I have a picture of my
thirtieth birthday party and a picture of my sixtieth, and
I'm half the person, and I do feel like like
I was not even connected to that body, to that person. Yeah,
like I don't. People are like, oh, you must feel
really good about yourself. I'm like, I don't. Maybe I

(52:47):
don't know, Like I don't think I felt bad back then,
but I don't remember. I don't think I felt at all.
I don't think I felt anything.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I think I can I can agree with that. I
don't think I felt anything. Like anyone that knows me
from that period, all you know, they tell me you're
always so joyful, and they didn't see that I had
an eating disorder. Does that make sense? They saw me,
but on the inside, I was not joyful. I was

(53:15):
full of anxiety, shame, et cetera for the childhood trauma
and all that. And so those people that knew my background,
knew my struggles, knew my shame. I was a high
school dropout, runaway, queen of self sabotage. Well film mom,
those who knew me then and see me now, they're
like Lynda's still the same person. Your light has always

(53:36):
been bright. But the difference is, and I finally got
this two years ago. They always saw my light. I
never saw my light back. Now I own my light right,
So that is I think so powerful. And this has
been such a sacred, beautiful conversation. We have two minutes
left free scene, so I want to ask you, is

(54:00):
anything you want to share? They have your all your
details below, but any words of wisdom more than you
already shared that you want to leave our listeners with
today the woman who maybe is struggling a little right now.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, so, uh, this popped in. This is one of
my favorite quotes and it just popped in. So I'm
going to go with it. It's a Wayne Dyer quote
and it's when you change the way you look at things,
the things you look at change. Oh girl, right, like
that is my favorite.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
That's why I always like going from the same mother.
It is you and I know it is so true,
isn't it. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:39):
And you know, just you know, and for for those
people that live in their brain, just stand up from
the desk or wherever you're listening to this, if you're
in your car, don't move, you know, don't don't do anything,
but just go to the other side of your desk
and just look at it differently. Right. Problems that we
have in our lives can have the same effect if

(55:01):
you look at it differently. It does. If you choose
to look at it differently, it changes.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah, there's another message from Wayne Dyer, who's a spiritual
solution for every problem.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Yep, I love that.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
And franccene, I think we could we could fill four hours,
am I right? It's nice to meet a kindred spirit.
I'm so grateful that you're able to join me today,
and I want to invite everyone to visit franccene at
Francineterrell dot com. Check the show notes. On whatever platform
you're listening to and be sure to connect with her

(55:38):
follower check out whatever all of her offerings, and when
you're join us at the Inspired Life event dot com
and April eleventh and twelfth of twenty twenty six here
in Quincy, Massachusetts, you'll be able to meet her in person.
My friends, franccene, thank.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
You, Thank you so much, Linda. This has been great.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Until next time, my friends, Choose love, Choose joy, Choose happiness.

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