The Next Evolution of Healing with Dr. Lori Leyden

Air Date - 05 August 2025

Discover why presence—not more practice—is the next evolution of healing. Dr. Lori Leyden shares her Embodying Grace HeartMap, featuring Heart-Brain-Body Coherence, the 5 Stages of Embodied Grace, and The Grace Process®—to help you release judgment, regulate your energy, and embody the healing you’ve been seeking.

About the Guest:

Dr. Lori Leyden, PhD, MBA, is a pioneering voice in the next evolution of healing—guiding spiritual adventurers and conscious leaders to embody the transformation, miracles, and grace that arise when we align with our divine nature and remember who we truly are.

As creator of the Embodying Grace HeartMap and Mastering Therapeutic Presence Program, Lori supports the evolution of presence as the new paradigm of transformation—whether you’re navigating personal awakening or leading collective change.

Her decades of experience include post-genocide Rwanda, Aboriginal communities in Australia, and U.S. school systems recovering from mass shootings, where she’s witnessed the power of presence and somatic brain-based therapies to restore coherence in individuals and systems alike.

In Lori’s work, grace is a living frequency we access through heart-brain-body coherence—offering a bridge between spiritual insight and embodied life. Presence becomes your greatest power. Grace becomes your way of being.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
Welcome to Inspired Conversations. I mean your host, Linda Joy,
publisher of the beloved Aspire magazine, a hope to celebrate
her twentieth year of inspiring, empowering, and supporting women to
live their best lives, to live aligned, author and intentional lives.

(01:02):
You can grab your free subscription and yes it's still
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bonus gifts at subscribe to Aspire dot com. I'm excited
about today's conversation. We're going to be talking about the
next evolution of healing. How presence is your greatest power

(01:24):
talking about the topic of grace and so much more.
Joining me today is doctor Lorie Leyden, a pioneering voice
and the next evolution of healing, guiding spiritual adventurers and
conscious leaders to embody the transformation, miracles and grace that
arise when we align with our divine nature and remember

(01:46):
who we truly are. And if you've been on following
the show for a while, you know this topic is
spot on with what I like to bring you. As
the creator of the Embodying Grace Heart Map and mastering
therapeutic Presence, Lourie supports the evolution of presence as the
new paradigm of transformation, whether you're navigating personal awakening or

(02:09):
leading collective change. Welcome, Laurie, I'm so glad that you're here.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Oh, thank you, Linda. It's delightful to be with you
and all of this amazing work you've done over these
ten to twenty years. Right.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, time is flying, my friend. But when you really
love what you do and you're committed to a mission
and it never feels like a job to you, you
know how that flows. Yes, yes, this is bigger than me,
as I know your work is even bigger than you.
It's like a calling, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (02:41):
It is? It is If you ever told me twenty
years ago how my life would turn, I would have
told you you were a little crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, I've been in my friend so that feeling. So
why don't we talk about a little bit about you
and what led Because the author of numerous books including
Embodying Grace, Trusting Yourself, your Life, and your Divinity, and
what led you to this whole line of work, it was.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Really in an effort to heal my own childhood trauma.
And I had started seeking help early early in the
late eighties early nineties and was never really happy with
the healing and therapy that I had, so I was

(03:34):
always asking the question was an easier, more elegant way
for us to heal? And then it took a near
death experience in two thousand and three to really shake
things up for me. And at that point I received
a message, several messages from what I call the divine

(03:55):
one Heart, and one was the message to follow my
heart wherever it led me, and the other is everything
in life is a choice, including taking the next breath.
So I have been on a journey of testing this
heart map material that I've received since two thousand and

(04:17):
three and have been absolutely amazed at everything that supports it.
Science is now revealing and supporting what you and I
have known in many spiritual adventures have known over the
years that it is our heart, brain body connection that
offers the healing. And so I can go into more detail,

(04:41):
but that I had a series of deep meditations in
which I asked this question, what can I do to
help people heal more easily? And I received the Grace process,
which is a formula for healing which I'm sure we'll
dive into as well as the five stages of embodied grace.

(05:02):
That kind of showed me a path for spiritual healing.
And I've been doing this work now since two thousand
and three, which then took me around the world to
working in post war genocide and post school shooting communities.
So it has been a deep, deep journey into healing

(05:24):
myself and from that arising from that offering a space
for other people to step into to learn and heal themselves.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Hmm. Yeah, our journeys may be different, but they're similar
that we use a mess pain healing, our transformation to
fuel the work we do in the world. Exactly. Yes,
when I look back, I have a trauma filled childhood also,
so I can relate to many of the things that

(05:56):
you said. I can look back now and go, oh,
I see why I'm doing the work I'm doing in
the world because I can have more grace, compassion, empathy
because I've had so many I guess you would call
doc experiences heavy experiences, but I've come out into the
light right the healing we did, the work. Who will
we not to share that. That's why the radio show

(06:19):
is so important to me. We're going to be celebrating
ten years. And I love bringing these conversations with women
like you, so that that person, that one woman listening
right now, who is like grace, possibility, healing, they just
start to tune in, and to me, that makes everything

(06:41):
worth it. Do you feel that way too? It's I
don't know any be threads for shame anymore about anything
in my.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Past, exactly because I you know, I say this all
the time, and I train other people to do this,
who are going to work in traumatized communities, that our
greatest service work in the world world is truly being
in service to our own healing because that sets up
a resonance field, and this is backed by science for

(07:09):
other people to step into that healing. And so who
do we want to learn and be a guide. But
those people have had experiences similar to ours and who
have done the hard work to get to the other side.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
And I love what you said. I think you called
it the field of resonance. To me, that's how I
see it. It's almost like, well, I use different words.
I tell my clients this the divine gave us something,
and I call it inner light. And sometimes life like
our life when we were children, right mm hm, that
like it's smothered and sometimes I'll speak for myself, we

(07:43):
forget that it even exists. Yes, of stuff. And then
our job once we become aware that that we do
have a light, it's like, let's excavate all the muck
that is deman my light. So I tell let me.
One spiritual role is to owner your own Like if
you do not feed that flame, you can't like the

(08:04):
path from anyone else in their own family, even if
they're not entrepreneurs or service based leaders or healers. Just
the fact that we want to be a light in
our own family, Yes, is that is that similar to
like my description is similar to what you mean by
the field of resonance. It's that energy we emit.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Yes, and well, so this goes to the work of
the Heart Math Institute. I'm sure you're familiar with it. Yes,
And from this, from the work of Heart Math, I
have learned that we really are heart wired for our
divinity and that when our heart brain body connection is

(08:48):
regulated and in balance, we literally have access to all
of our human divine talents. And so it starts with
this embodiment versus some be practicing our spiritual tasks and
they talk about how the heart has a electromagnetic field

(09:10):
that is five thousand times greater than the brain, and
how this emits out into a field that can literally
lift the resonance of the rest of the area that
you are in, the people that you're working with. So
when we look at this scientific evidence, we see that

(09:32):
there are vibrational levels that offer healing, and we can
create that within ourselves and in groups and communities. And
just imagine if people all over the world could simply
regulate their physiology, feel into their light and know that

(09:53):
there's healing that's possible and it's easier and more elegant
than it has been in the past because we've been
locked into this paradigm of healing from brokenness, the belief
that we are broken, when the truth is we are whole.
And it's that getting back, that journey of getting back

(10:15):
to our sense of divinity and the truth of who
we are, that is the spiritual journey. If that makes
any sense.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
It makes complete sense, my friend. And one of the
things too, that drew me to your work is that
for me, grace has played such a role in my life,
Grace for myself, grace from a journey, grace for others.
But I want to know and in the next segment
we will dive into the actual five stages of embodied grace.

(10:49):
But when you talk about embodying grace as a terminology,
what's your personal meaning behind that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Well, I mean, isn't it interesting everyone? The word grace
is now in the popular culture right And when I
received this work twenty one years ago, I said, well,
what do I call this process? And it said the
message I got was the grace process, And I said,
I don't want to use that word because it's too

(11:18):
tied to traditional religion. And it's also been taught that
we somehow God hands out Grace's kind of willy nilly,
you know, like there's no rhyme or reason, or that
it has something to do with deserveability. And what I
found was that there were two ways that grace dropped

(11:41):
in for me. One is in the dark night of
the soul, in great physical pain and over silent retreats,
that kind of thing where I noticed grace dropped in
when my ego was so exhausted I could not fight
or control.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
And more.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Now, on the other hand, when I'm in nature, when
I'm working with people, when I'm with my loved ones,
grace drops in instantaneously because I'm touching into the high
vibrations of gratitude, love Julian Wonder. And So the choice
is do I want to learn all my lessons through
suffer and struggle or do I want to learn them

(12:24):
in partnership and connectedness with the divine? And I know
my answer, and I probably know your answer.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
To m speaks to my soul, And yes, you do
know my answer. So we're going to continue our conversation.
We come back from a break. I'd love to dive
into those five stages of embodied grace and we'll be
back in a moment. My friends. I invite you to
learn more about doctor Lori at Doctorlauriliden dot com and

(12:53):
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Speaker 3 (14:36):
Welcome back. You're listening to Inspire Conversations I mean, host
Linda Joy, Thank you for circling up with myself and
my special guest, doctor Laurie Leiden, And we are about
to dive into the five stages of embodied Grace and
I hand you the stage, my friend.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Thank you, Linda. So we have this what's called the
Embodied Grace heart Map, which has been developing over the
last twenty years. And as I briefly mentioned in the beginning,
the first the first component is being able to regulate
our heart brain body connection, which I will talk about

(15:17):
in a moment. But then, I don't know about you,
but when I started my spiritual path, there really was
no guidelines or guide post. I really didn't know if
I was on the right path, what I was doing,
where I was going. And the more I sat in
meditation after my first near death experience, the more these

(15:41):
five stages began to form. And so the five stages
are separation, and so that's the first stage we find
ourselves in when we're born. It's that disconnection from the
divine into human form where and you know, you're in

(16:01):
a sense of separation when you feel disconnected from yourself,
from the divine, from other people, when your life is
one that you might describe as suffer and struggle, where
everything seems really difficult. This is where our core issues
really get triggered. Core issues are a decision we make

(16:22):
about ourselves that is like absolute, like I'm unlovable, I
don't matter, I'm not worthy and deserving, I'm not good enough.
Now we all have aspects of these core issues, but
they seem to be you know, they play a big
role in that first stage of separation. And then we

(16:43):
move into stirring, when the pain of feeling separate begins
to crack us hopefully open. We move into looking outside
of ourselves for the answers. I mean, that's what I did.
It's like trying to solve the the problems and the
trauma of my past. And in this stage where discomfort

(17:07):
is driving us to read all the self help books
and take all of the workshops and find a guru,
and all of that is great, except we tend to
get stuck in that stage, believing that it's something outside
of ourselves. And so if you're having conversations in your
head about a particular topic or with a particular person

(17:31):
and you're feeling contracted, you're in rumination mode, right, And
so there's like this connection between separation and stirring. This
is the longest part of our spiritual journey, which is
all hopefully in preparation for us to learn to surrender.

(17:51):
And by surrender, I don't mean giving up. I mean
giving into our divine nature so that we can feel
safe on our journey and give up that egoic control
that keeps us stuck in that sense of separation and stirring.
So surrender is a beautiful place where we begin to

(18:14):
experience the infinity circuit. I describe it as this connection
with the divine in which there appears to be a
giver and appears to be a receiver. But when we
meet in a sweet spot in the middle, there's only
love and we're partnering, and that's where the transformation can
take place and lead us into the fourth stage, which

(18:38):
is stillness, which is that place where we begin to
feel connected to our inner divinity, that place where we
can trust that whatever we need in the moment is
available to us in that divine connection. And this isn't
just a kind of a woo woo ritual top thing,

(19:03):
because when I talk about the heart brain body connection,
when we are living in that place of gratitude, love,
joy and wonder, the heart is sending signals to the
prefrontal cortex of our brain that and in that communication
we have access to our sense of inner wisdom, intuition,

(19:23):
creative problem solving, creativity in general, sense of connectedness, and
even transcendence. And this is the work of heartmath. Then
we move into the fifth stage, which frankly, I don't
see a lot of the fifth stage happening yet on
the planet, but it will. And that is synergy. And

(19:44):
there's internal synergy where I feel connected to all parts
of myself and from that internal synergy, I can reach
out and find my tribe, my community, the people who
share my passions. And this is how I feel that
we're going to create global healing, which is when we
learn that internal synergy, and we make connections with other

(20:10):
people from a collaborative place, not from a transactional place.
And that's a whole other topic. But if you are
working on your healing and you have an intention which
you've set, I can guarantee you that there's a lot
there's separation and stirring behind what is blocking the healing

(20:33):
that you're seeking. So we do a lot of work
in identifying and somatically moving from one stage to the next.
Is this sounding familiar or.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
It really is? I as you wish, going through the steps,
I kept trying to drop into different times in my
life where ooh that was I was in that stage.
So I have all kinds of notes in front of me,
and I have you confront of me too, and so
I was like, oh, yes, like I never heard them

(21:06):
because of course this is your download, but I never
had describe this way. But as you described THEMM like,
ah yeah, yep, that's what it felt like. That's this one.
I could actually tie it back to some of my
life experiences and how you describe it. So this really
the five stages of embodied grace really speak to me.

(21:27):
I can feel them as truth.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
Mmmm.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Well that makes my heart saying, and it's interesting. So
you So while I call them the five stages, we
can also be in those states as well. So you,
I know, you've done a lot of work on yourself
and you may very well live in the place of
surrender and stillness. Yet some issue may come up to
trigger you into a state, a temporary state of separation

(21:53):
and stirring as you as you deal with whatever that
issue or trigger is. So it is not a linear process,
as we have come to know on our journey.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Who believe me, I know, And there are no times,
you know, like you wanted about a loved one's health,
you become separate, like and what if this? And what
if that? And you know you're out of coherence. Yes, yes,
that's how it feels in my body. And then I go, oh, Lynn,
this isn't what you want to call in. Come back
to the center, come back to center. And so yeah,
that was so. I just love that you've been living,

(22:32):
teaching and guiding people to understanding these five stages of
embodied grief. And I like that you also clarified that
it's not linear. We go back and forth, right, we
go back and forth.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yeah, like I can live in stillness and synergy, and
then my neighbor does something silly and I might get
a little triggered for a while.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yes, that happens to all of us.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
My friend enough bigger than that.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
In one of the things too, like the cover of
your book is stunning because I'm really big and I
use the infinity symbol as a teaching tool for some
of my clients. So when I saw this, it really
spoke to me. And then, as you so beautifully shared
earlier that story about how you see the infinity symbol, Yes,

(23:24):
what incorporates it Because I always say to clients when
we're talking about manifesting abundance, I'm using that as an example.
I go, there's a divine flow of life when we're
in alignment with the truth of who we are. It
flows give, take, receive, back and forth. It doesn't flow
when we go into ego and fear and all that
means we're out of coherence. It's like pinch in the

(23:46):
middle of that done infinity symbol and stopping the flow
of life, the flow of divinity to us. And when
I started teaching that little pinching thing, they were like,
oh my god, I'm pinching off the flow. Yes, you
are if you need. That's a visual And they found
that really helpful because sometimes it's hard to teach the

(24:08):
concepts of all this big stuff right when someone's still
in the muck. And you and I know what it's
like to live in the muck, to find that way
out of the muck, so we also know it's possible
to come out of the muck. Yes, yes, And so
you know, I can feel the passion that you have

(24:29):
for the work that you do. It's almost like it
to your dark and stage came this beautiful message of
love and life.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, and I'm so glad you focus on the somatics
of everything because it's all about how we feel in
our bodies. Our bodies they're going to tell us whether
we're in our egos or our hearts. And also, yes,
finding my own healing out of tragedy and trauma allows

(24:58):
me to go into these very traumatized communities and hold
the vision of hope because I do see miracles that
come out of trauma and tragedy. And so it doesn't
mean that when your life is in alignment and coherence
that bad things aren't going to happen. Or challenging things

(25:18):
aren't going to happen, but staying in the connectedness allows
us to navigate the path. Whether it's a health challenge,
or a relationship challenge, or a financial challenge, We're going
to face these things. And this might be a little
bit of a digression, but I really have an issue

(25:40):
with how the way that law of attraction is being
taught is actually creates more religious wounding in my mind,
because people think, oh, you create your own reality, and
you know if you if you don't manifest the job
or the or the house, or the mate or the whatever,

(26:03):
then there must be something wrong with you, all right,
And so we know that there are deeper, deeper lessons
to be learned from this. But I believe that we
create our own reality based on how we respond to
the challenges that life offers us, and.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
That are reacting and going into coming out of coherence.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Yes, being in the real pinch, Linda.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yes, Yes, we're going to take another next break and
come back. Let's continue this conversation and dive into even more.
My friends, you'll listen to inspired conversations. I invite you
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(26:51):
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Speaker 3 (29:02):
Welcome back. Thanks for joining myself and my special guest,
doctor Laurie Laiden today for this empowering and enlightening conversation
about embodying grace, the next evolution of healing and presence
as your greatest power. So we're really diving in here,
and I want you to really just place your hand

(29:24):
on your heart and just be really present with this
conversation because there's seeds of wisdom that you can tap into,
put into action, especially and use as a healing tool. So, Laurie,
one of the things that you just talked about, you

(29:45):
shared the five stages of embodied grace and you walked
us through them. But how can we use them as
a compass on our path so we kind of can
find our way?

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Right? Thanks, That's a great question. And that's where the
grace process formula comes in. Uh. And so as I mentioned,
if you're if you're setting an intention, and I like
to set intentions using this sentence, what I want the
freedom from X, so I have the freedom too, why uh?

(30:18):
And in that way we can identify it not only
what is the problem, but what it's going to look
like when the healing is emerging. And so that keeps
us usually in a bit of separation and stirring. For example,
I had a sim I had a health challenge this year,

(30:40):
and obviously it was I did a lot of ruminating,
But because of the work I've already done, I was
able to be really present for it and deal with
the thoughts I was having about separation and stirring. For example,
I recognize, Oh my gosh, I'm feeling a little separated

(31:00):
from my body right now with this health challenge. I
have some judgments, maybe about my body. I have judgments
about the doctor and the malpractice that occurred. But because
I live this this heart map, I dived right into
the grace process, which again starts with our choice for healing.

(31:22):
In this case, obviously I wanted the freedom from pain,
so I had the freedom to live my life joyfully
and happily with my body supporting me. So I then
had to look at what were all the judgments that
I may have had in four categories, judgments of myself,
judgments of other people, judgments of the circumstance I found

(31:45):
myself in, and judgments of the divine. But I was
looking at those judgments that's that negative place. There's a
difference between judgment and discernment. Discernment is a neutral assessment
of what's happening. Are, for example, my judgments of the
doctor and nursing staff who didn't listen to me and

(32:07):
so and the circumstances that my body was Was my
body betraying me? What did my body?

Speaker 6 (32:13):
You know?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
I had to go through all of those things that
I knew were causing contraction for me because I cannot
hold on to my egoic control and partner with divine
at the same time. So, uh, then we open, once
we look at those judgments, then we look to see
what needs forgiveness in order for this healing to come in.

(32:38):
And in my case, I had to immediately forgive the
medical institutions, the medical staff, the you know, all of
the circumstances that led to me having to face to
surgeries and another near death experience. But I happily, happily

(32:58):
did that when I noticed to the contractions, because I
didn't want to dwell in my martyr and self pity place.
So then once we open to the forgiveness, which is
not an easy task. Sometimes that's where we can cultivate
that heart coherence, which I describe as states of gratitude, love, joy,

(33:19):
and wonder. And in those states we are fertile. Our
heart brain body connection is optimized for us to receive
and partner and receive that grace that we're looking for.
And so we also have to look at what are
the blocks to receiving right, because if we still have

(33:40):
some core issues, it might be I'm not worthy and
deserving of healing or I don't matter, so my healing
doesn't matter. This is where the work is, and so
I use emotional freedom techniques clinical tapping to loosen up
those areas and help us heal the traumatic wounds that

(34:04):
keep us out of coherence and move us from one
stage to the next. So I could say, just with
this health example, that I could quickly move into surrender
and stillness throughout my illness because I practiced this every
day and I didn't there wasn't it was more my

(34:26):
healing was more important than any egoic story I could
tell about what was happening. So that's kind of a
drive by lesson in how we move from one stage
to the next. We've got to look at what is present,
is ego and controller is my heart in control? And

(34:47):
that's what the formula helps us identify. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yes? And I loved what you when you talked about
the judgments right mm hmm. Never heard of broken down
that way like self others. So you look at each
aspect right, self, other, circumstance, and divine to kind of
like do an inventory to see if you're holding some
type of judgment. Is it like an inventory process.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
I think that's a great way to put it. And
I guarantee you that there are you will have negative
egoic judgments. Some people get confused by that, but there's
a difference. Again, if you find yourself ruminating about something
and telling yourself stories about something, you're not in a

(35:35):
place where you are focused on your healing and what
it is that you want. So we somatically release those
those judgments that are creating contraction. And so you know,
for me, it was discerning what was mine to do now? Yes,

(35:56):
did I let these doctors know what was going on? Yes?
Did I did I hold them accountable?

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
At the same time it was I was not stuck
in that story of monitor and self pity. I wasn't
controlled by that story. It allowed me to much more
easily focus on my healing.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Powerful, my friend powerful. And as someone that's gone through
medical processes or self, it's I can see where we
would have those judgments and triggers with the medical and
the things are going through, but it's part about healing.
It's so impetative that we clear it.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Yes, yes, yeah, And it doesn't mean that you forget
it or that there are no consequences exactly.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
And so how let's say we find a judgment, right,
it may be in one of those categories, how do
shift it? How do we get from judgment to either
at least peace or accept.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Right now, anything that helps you optimize your heart brain
body connection is important. But so I like to say
the time, this is the time to stop your spiritual practices.
And everyone goes, oh my gosh, what are you talking about.
But the caveat is if you're doing your meditation and

(37:22):
your yoga and you get off the yoga mat and
you kick the cat or yell at your partner, clearly
these spiritual practices are not working. So this is why
the embodiment piece is so important. And somatic therapies like
EFT EMDR and you know, people can also help regulate

(37:46):
their physiology with dance, with movement, with music, with sound.
I just find EFT very very effective because when so,
what EFT does is it helps you regulate your heart
brain body connection. This is you know, a hormonal and scientific,
psycho spiritual somatic connection that when we are in those

(38:12):
places when we are not contracted, when we feel safe
in our bodies, in our hearts and our minds. That's
where we have access to those AHAs, those that inner wisdom,
that intuition, which is so helpful because when I come
to my own AHA, that is much more powerful than

(38:33):
anyone telling me or reframing me. So from a physiological
state where I feel peace and safety, I can have
the thought without it triggering me, and then I can
also be open to, for example, one of the many
people when I got sick, we're like, well, it's not

(38:55):
fair because you eat really well, you take care of yourself,
you exercise, you don't abuse yourself. Whatever. I quickly had to,
you know, stop any contraction around whether I was worthy
or deserving, because it's not about that, it's about how
you face the issue. And so being able to, for example,

(39:19):
even thinking about how to approach the doctor and his
staff who unfortunately, what shall I say, damaged a certain
part of my body. That's a politically correct way of
saying that I could sit with and have the story

(39:42):
in my head around how wrong they were and how
could this happen to me, and all this stuff. But
I would quickly move to stillness because I would use
EFT or simply I would use herd coherence to get
there and just be like, Okay, what's true, what isn't true?

(40:02):
What is mine to do right now? What is it
that I need to do to put forward whatever the
consequences need to be. And then also what is it
that I need to do to heal? And when my healing,
when your healing becomes more important than your grief and
your trauma, that's where the grief and the healing can

(40:24):
drop in.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah, oh my god, Yes, yes, yes, because I've had
medical experiences different than yours but similar in the energy
we have to process in the thoughts right yes, yes,
and making a choice during every moment of my healing
to focus on the gratitude of that I'm still here. Yes,

(40:51):
because we can go into the story trauma and the
trauma as you shave and my community witnessed me navigate
in it. And one of the things that came up
in the postal like do you show so much love,
grace and gratitude as you're going through this? And I said,
that's choice. It's choosing that I am choosing that, and

(41:12):
I believe my healing was accelerated because of it. Both times,
both yes put me back together. A year later, so
and so I remember someone reaching Okhon, I need may
I share your post with my sister in law. She's
fighting breast cancer and she's really angry, and which is

(41:32):
of course she has every right to be. But that's
what started happening, Like, how are you navigating such a
difficult time with grace and love? Moment by moment choice
my friends, over and over again. So your story really
touched me. We're going to take a final break and
then we're going to come back for the last segment.
We'll be back in a moment. I'm with doctor Lori Leyden.

(41:53):
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You're listening to inspired conversations. I'm so glad that you
here with us. With me today is doctor Lori Lading.
She is the author of jumerous books, including Embodying Grace,
Trusting Yourself, Your Life, and Your Divinity. So, Laurie, in
the last segment, you talk about spiritual secrets, right and

(44:42):
all this. I love this topic because you know we've
all had the conversation with a friend or even maybe
with ourselves, like I've done all the work, I've done everything,
and I'm still stuck. Why do you think that is?
In what's often missing?

Speaker 6 (44:59):
It?

Speaker 4 (44:59):
And by restores beautiful? So I do believe it's that
somatic release. It's the physiological regulation in the body. And
if it's not so, stress and trauma cause a brain dysfunction.
They create a dysfunction of dysregulation between the hippocampus and

(45:23):
the amygdala. And until that connection is restored, we literally
we have these stress hormones running through our bodies. And
until we can restore the flow of endorphins that help
us feel peaceful and safe in our bodies even in
the presence of memories or challenges, that's where the healing begins.

(45:48):
And so if you're unfortunately, if you go to talk
therapy and you can continue to tell your trauma story
over and over again, your body thinks the trauma is
still occurring, and so physiologically, you're really not in a
state to access your own healing powers. And I believe

(46:10):
that is what I'm talking about. And when we talk
about this health challenge I recently had again, people were
saying the same thing as they said to you, Linda,
And that was because I was able to be fully
present in my heart to whatever was going on. And
I know this is might sounds strange. I was an

(46:33):
extreme pain for ten months, but you've heard that phrase
pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. I believe that. You know,
I was in horrendous pain, but I do not believe
I suffered because I quickly got rid of the stories
I was telling myself about what I was experiencing. I

(46:58):
was able to bring my body to regulation as much
as possible through the pain, and in that place, I
didn't suffer. And so ordinarily, being in the hospital for
three weeks and all of the things that go on
and all of the things that have to happen, I
would have been so anxious that it would have been worse.

(47:20):
But I just kept focusing on my physiological regulation and
my connection with the divine so that I could in
a sense, float in the arms of that grace and
that connectedness. So it comes down to the somatic release
part of it, and our therapies now need to catch up.

(47:44):
We believed that the fourth wave of therapy which is
emerging now, which is people talking about the vegus nerve
and vegas reset and these somatic techniques like EFT and AMDR.
But I believe leave the fifth evolution of psycho spiritual
healing truly is in presence, and so as I am

(48:08):
able to be present to someone who is working on
their healing. I'm my presence as long as I'm in
that high vibrational state is allowing the other person to
step into that resonance field of safety for the healing.
I don't call myself a healer. I just provide the

(48:29):
resonance for healing to take place and for others to
find their own inner healing. But that's the biggest challenge
right now, is being committed to the embodiment piece.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, it's really resonated. I just had a conversation with
a friend and I'm going to be sixty three this year. Yeah. Well,
I'm in numerology. I'm a big numerology fan. I'm in
my nine ooh nice cycle. This is a nine year
and three, which is I So I'm in a triple
nine year And we were having it. She's a spiritual adventurer.

(49:06):
I love your phrase, by the way, And I said,
it's like I finally feel completely embodied and what I
mean completely like I've come to this place of I
am my truth. I am my message. Doesn't mean perfection,
it doesn't mean any of that. It just means for

(49:26):
a long time, I separated aspects of myself. Yes, and
I'm so done with that. And I just had that's
so funny. We just had the conversation two days ago.
So embodiment is my phrase for this year. You how
you're picking attention, and that really resonated what you said,
we have to be embodied. And I love seeing all

(49:48):
this stuff come out about the vagus nerve, about tapping
into the wisdom of our body. Yes, oh so much.
It holds so much. And for me, we still got
about three minutes left for me that there was such
a disconnect for the first thirty years of my life
because of my childhood trauma from my body, that I've

(50:09):
spent thirty years reconnecting, listening, honoring. I'm at the point
now where I honor that connection with my body. Before
I was learning to connect with my body. And so
that's why I think that embodiment part of your conversation
really resonated with me.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Mmmmm, so glad, And would you like.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
We have a few minutes. Would you like to leave
a closing message, something that you feel led that maybe
we didn't cover that you'd like to share with our listeners.
We have two minutes, so you have plenty of time.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Thank you, Thank you. It's such an honor to be
able to hold such a firm space in the belief
that we are all completely whole already and divine beings,
and we just have to find our way back to
that natural, as you said, rhythm in the body, so

(51:08):
there is hope and wherever you're at, I think the
Five Stages of Embodied Grace E book can help you
with that, which I think Linda you're going to put
a some race.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Yes, there's a link in the bio everyone that you
can get to her book.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
And I've also think added another ebook, which is the
Embodying Grace through Presence. What it is that you want
to get to is that can you imagine being in
a space of extreme challenge but be able to be calm,
to trust your own heart, brain, body connection to receive

(51:49):
whatever it is that you need to receive in the moment.
Can you imagine a world full of people who have
that healing and the most important thing is that your
healing matters. I know we briefly talked about that, but
imagine that you are important on this planet because your
particular healing needs to be healed in the world. As well.

(52:14):
So this is your greatest service work is being devoted
to your own healing. So know that it's possible do
look at your I will leave you with this thought,
which is so easy to figure out when you're in
your ego versus your heart, because when you're in your ego,
your breathing is going to be shallow and contracted. You

(52:36):
may have a lot of things running through your mind,
but when you're in your heart, when you're in coherence,
your body is expanded, your breath is deep and full,
your mind is quiet. And so at any moment through
the day, you can ask yourself, am I in my
ego contracted or in my heart? And then just take

(53:00):
a few diaphragmatic breaths to until you feel your body relaxing.
And the more that you do that physiological regulation, the
more that you can trust it. So please, wherever you
are on your spiritual journey, don't dismay. They're becoming now

(53:21):
more accepted and proven that this somatic embodiment really does work.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Hmm, what a beautiful message to leave everyone with. My
friend and I want to invite everyone visit doctor Laurie
Leiden dot com learn about her books. You can Visit
her site for free downloadable gifts, learn about her services
and more. We all deserve to heal, and it is possible. Laurie,

(53:49):
thank you so much for joining me today.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Well, it's a delight and a pleasure and an honor.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Until next time, my friends, Choose love, Choose joy, Choose happiness.
Blessings everyone.

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