Former Pinal County Sheriff Mark Lamb

This week on Into the Fire Episode #63, at 7pm CST I will have Former Pinal County Sheriff Mark Lamb also known as “American Sheriff.”  After being a business owner for over a decade, he joined the world of Law Enforcement in his thirties and has thrived as a leader in his field from day one.
Valedictorian of his training class, Rookie of the Year, Officer of the Year, Detective of the Year, and now Sheriff of Pinal County, he has always risen to every challenge in his path.
His empowering leadership style, western attire, and huge smile have set him apart from his peers and his no nonsense approach to Law Enforcement has made him a beacon of hope to many in his county and all over the world.
Lamb is a frequent guest on Fox News and other national outlets. Lamb was featured in 20+ episodes of the #1 Rated Cable TV Show “Live PD” on A&E (2017-2018), featured in Season 5 of “60 Days In” and had a major role in the production which is currently airing on Netflix. Lamb also co-hosted 20 episodes of “Live PD Wanted” on A&E with Tom Morris Jr. And Michele Sigona (2019-2020) and was set to come back for 10 more episodes in July 2020 but is postponed due to COVID.
With an attitude of “Fear Not, Do Right” and common sense approach, his patriotism is as infectious as his positive attitude.  

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Hello, everybody, It's August the twenty second, twenty twenty five,
coming to you live from Tulsa, Oklahoma. It is Into
the Fire, episode number sixty three, number sixty three, Holy cow.
And you know what else is crazy? We didn't have
any issues tonight for once. How cool is that we

(00:59):
have a guest on to night that honestly I dressed
up for this guest. I mean, I just don't have
people like this guy come on here each and every night.
I've all of my guests are epic, make no mistake
about it. But as far as people that are famous,
and Mark, I didn't tell you about some of the
famous guests. I've had Stevo sitting right here in my
living room from Jackass and and I'm sure you've heard

(01:21):
of him. And I've also had Larry Wilcox from Chips.
But when we're talking about current famous people, people that
are that are known throughout the country, this is one
of the most recognizable sheriffs out there in the country,
out in the United States period. I want to thank
Phyllis for buying one of my coffee cups. The merchandise

(01:43):
has hit and the little uh, the some of the
merchandise that I wasn't quite a big fan of that
has been since removed, and I've been told that the
stuff that I kind of wanted to see coming on
is going to be there, so hopefully that'll be good. Hey, Danny,
welcome and hello to all of my other faithful people,
from Sally to Cathy and Steph and I see everybody

(02:04):
that I I mean, I'm seeing just all the faithful
people here, and I want to thank you so much.
This is going to be fun. We've got him for
about an hour and after that he's got other obligations,
and I just am honored that he has spent the
evening with us tonight, because this is going to be
a lot of fun and he's somebody that I absolutely
respect in the world of law enforcement. So let's get

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right to it. I don't want to waste any time. Basically,
he's former Panell County Sheriff Mark Lamb, also known as
the American Sheriff. After being a business owner for over
a decade, he joined the world of law enforcement in
his thirties and has thrived as a leader in the
field from day one. Valedictorian of his training class, Rookie

(02:50):
of the Year, Officer of the Year, Detective of the Year,
and now Sheriff. Are former Sheriff of Penell County. He
has always risen to everynge in his path. His empowering
leadership style, western attire, and huge smile have set him
apart from his peers, and his no nonsense approach to

(03:10):
law enforcement has made him a beacon of hope to
many in his county and all over the world. Lamb
is a frequent guest on Fox News and other national outlets.
Lamb was featured in twenty plus episodes of the number
one rated TV show Live PD on A and E
from twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen. He was featured in

(03:34):
season five of Sixty Days, in which, by the way,
happens to be one of my favorite seasons of that show,
and he had a major role in a production which
is currently airing on Netflix and Lamb also co hosted
twenty episodes of Live PD Wanted on A and E
with Tom Morris Junior and Michelle Sigona, and was set

(03:57):
to come back for ten more episodes in July twenty twenty,
but it was postponed due to COVID and I got
hit with COVID problems to believe me, with an attitude
of fear not do right and common sense approached. His
patriotism is as infectious as his positive attitude. And I
want to welcome one of the most well respected, well

(04:22):
known sheriffs in this country, Mark Lamb. How you doing, buddy,
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I'm doing great, Jason, Thank you for the intro. Was
that some of that stuff AI?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, you know what, I wrote some of it. I
took some of it from places I used AI a
little bit. It sounded good, I thought, But.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
A great fellas Helo. Thanks for having me, Thanks for
joining us. Yeah, like it was. Most people don't realize
that not only do we do Live PD, and I
don't know, we probably did more than twenty episodes I
co hosted Live PD wanted and very few people realized
that even though it was a top ten show for

(05:03):
a while, it was fun to do man those But yeah,
thank you, thank you for the intro, and thanks for
having me on, and thank you everybody here tonight.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So I appreciate it. You know, I've been through Pinell
County a few times. I didn't realize until I was
kind of researching tonight that the Superstition Mountains is in
your county and that's one of the most beautiful parts
of Arizona. Actually it is so.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
And you forgot you forgot one key thing that everybody
knows me for now. So I used to be Sheriff Lamb.
Now I'm Frank's boss. I was Frank Fridays with Frank's
boss for you know, really we kicked off Fridays with Frank.
He's an amazing guy. He's still out there doing it.
So anybody out there knows Fridays with Frank. I've now

(05:48):
become Frank's boss. I go speak places and then I'll say,
is mayby have me questions? And people say, yeah, worse Frank.
So Frank has become very popular.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Good good. I like to hear that. And so tell
us start. Let's start off with are you Are you
a native from Arizona.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I was actually born and raised in Heilo, Hawaii. I
was born in Hawaii and then we moved to the
Philippines when I was eleven, and then we came back
to Arizona, which is where my dad was from. Look,
I'm a descendant of eight of the occupants of the Mayflower.
The Lambside came in sixteen thirty. We were pioneers in Arizona,

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so I had a long history here. I just happened
to be raised other places, came back to Arizona, I
went to and then we moved to Panama, and then
I lived in Argentina for a couple of years. So
I've been all over. But I consider myself an Arizona
at heart and a Hawaiian as well. My wife says,
you're not Hawaiian. I said, I was born there. I'm Hawaiian.

(06:47):
I was raised there.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I know. That's nice. That's nice. Yeah, I've got a
lot of relatives that live in Arizona and they're huge
fans of you. So and I think you might even
know one of them. That's Shantel with my cousin. I
think she can. I don't know if you know her
or not, but she knows your secretary from back in
the day. So that's kind of how we ended up
getting introduced, probably two years ago. So but nevertheless, so,

(07:09):
so how did you get started with you know, you
had a business career before what was that business career
before law enforcement?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I've done a couple of different things because I was
in sales. So i'd kind of caught up. I'd come
home from Argentina and I actually got scouted to play baseball.
But then I don't know, I was just in a
different phase in life. I wanted to get married and
move on and I and so I ended up owning
my own businesses, you know, KA. I had some concrete reservicing,

(07:37):
I sold some past control. I ended up owning a
paintball store. I had a short stint, well not a
short I was a herdsman on a drry for several years.
But I just really I got to about thirty three
years old, I was kind of I was. I had

(07:59):
a successful business, I was doing pigeon control, but I
just didn't feel complete. I didn't feel like anything I
did every day was having an impact on society, and
and so I just was, I don't know, I was
looking for something more. And my neighbor happened to be
a police officer with an Indian reservation near Mesa Tempe

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in Scottsdale, and he asked me to go on a
ride along. So I was doing business and had never
in my life thought about being a cop. Now once
it never crossed my mind. Nobody in my family was
a cop. Nobody in my wife's family was a cop.
This was completely out of left field for me when
I went on this ride along.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, wow, that is kind of about a left field
if you're thirty three. He hadn't even thought about it.
And then you do this right along and then all
of a sudden you made a decision to make the
leap into law enforcement. Where'd you start out?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, I go on this ride along and there was
a call for a dad who had found a twenty
year old with his fourteen year old daughter, and they
get into a scuffle and guy runs out the back
and we show up. And then on the reservation you'll
have like desert area, and then behind the desert area
you'll have you know, sometimes you'll have an old abandoned
travel trailer. Well that's how this was. There was an

(09:17):
old abandoned travel trailer. And so I'm art there. They
let me out in the car and I'm out there,
armed with a flashlight and courage. I walk out there
and I look in the window of this travel trailer
and I see, amongst all the trash and debris, what
I think is a quarter size of skin. And so
I said to him. I was like, hey, man, I
think this guy's in here. And so they go in there,

(09:37):
they move all the trash and debrieze. Sure enough he's
there and they grab him. They rough him up, they
tase him, put him in cuffs. I went home that
morning and woke my wife up and I said, honey,
I'm going to be a cop. And six months later
I was in the academy and on my way to
be the career law enforcement. But that's how it started.
It was one ride along, one night, one call, and

(10:00):
I was hooked, and I knew, this is exactly what
I need to doing it. I finally had found something
where I felt like I was doing something for society
and fulfilled at night when I came home.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, and what year was that when you ended up starting?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Thousand of two thousand and six is when I went
to the academy graduated. I graduated in the academy in
two thousand and six. I was in the academy in
two thousand and six.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So i'd been a cop for quite
a while, so you just, well, not forever, but about
eight years when you ended up starting. So so then
you go from there, you work for this agency, and
it's that other patch. It's not the Pineal County patch.
It's that other agency.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
What's the name of it, Salt River Salt River Pima
Americopa Indian Community.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, and I and so how many officers did they
have there? Probably not too many.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
No, believe it or not. I mean, if you want
to see a lot of policing, go to a reservation. Typically,
some of those reservations that have a lot of money,
we'll have a lot of cops. I think there are
like two hundred and fifty swarm Now, even back then
we were still probably one hundred and thirty to one
hundred and fifty probably for a reservation that had a

(11:13):
population of about five thousand. That population would fluctuate during
the day because it had a major interstate that ran
through it, or a state highway, and then it also
had a couple of casinos, so it had a lot
of traffic coming through there during the day. But people
that lived out there was about five thousand people.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, and so then you end up you stay there
for quite some time, and you made the best of
it there, and then all of a sudden, at what
point in time did it cross your mind to run
and what was the reason for you to run for
Pinell County Sheriff.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I had one of the best jobs of the agency.
I was a gang and drug detective. We had a
great squad ad take home car, which most of the
guys that that agency didn't have. My career was on
the rise, but I didn't like the direction of the country.
I noticed there was a couple of things that I
had a problem with. Number one, I had a problem
with the direction of the country. Just to be honest,

(12:07):
it was during Obama's time, and I thought he was
really driving a wedge between law enforcement in the community.
And then I also realized we had a real lack
of leadership, real leadership in this profession, and so I
didn't want to be the guy who just complained about it.
So I thought, you know what, screw it, I'm gonna
run for sheriff. And my guys that I worked with

(12:29):
thought I was crazy when I told him, and I said, no, man, seriously,
I'm gonna run for sheriff. I said whatever. Six months later,
I within months, within weeks, I had put in my application.
It took six months to get hired on at the county,
maybe even a little bit longer. It took six months
before I even heard from him, But in twenty twelve
I got hired on and went out to the county

(12:50):
and began my career out there. I took a twenty
five thousand dollars pay cut to do it, but I
knew what the end goal was, and the end goal
was to run for sheriff, and went out started my
career as a deputy and was there for a few
years before I realized I needed to step away to
be able to run for sheriff, and so I went
back out into the private sector, stayed on as a reserve,

(13:11):
build up my business, and made the run for sheriff.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Wow, okay, so I didn't even Okay, I'm learning a
lot of things here. So you literally you go out
there and you become a deputy for a little bit,
and you take a huge cut. That's a huge cut,
and pay mark that's noticeable, but it just all seems
to come together and then you end up running. And
how decisive of a win did you have when you ran?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, first of all, I had a point in about
August of twenty fifteen, so the election cycle was going
to be the end of twenty fifteen. Election would be
in twenty sixteen, and I was working in Utah at
the time. That's where a lot of our business was
for our marketing company, and staying with my business partner
up there, traveling back and forth. Because I had five kids.

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It wasn't easy. I couldn't just move everybody up there.
And I knew that the end goal was to run
for sheriff. So one day I called my wife and
I'd been reading a lot of articles and looking into
running for office, running for sheriff. I call her one
day and I said, Honey, I don't know the business
is going good. I'm reading a lot about it. It sounds

(14:22):
like it sucks to be it sounds like it's not
a fun experience to run for office. So maybe we'd
give it four years and we'll do it down the road.
And she says, you know, whatever you think, support chip.
But for the next forty eight hours, I could not
shake the feeling and the thought of running for sheriff.
I would all night, all day while I was out

(14:45):
working running my business, all I could think about was
running for sheriff. So I called my wife back two
days later and I just said, screw it. Let's do it.
And that's kind of been my attitude on a lot
of things. I'm just like, sometimes it doesn't make sense.
Sometimes it looks little scary, it's dark, you don't know
which where the path leads. But I'm just like, screw it,
let's do it. And we did. I came back and

(15:07):
I started running it and putting my campaign together, and
fortunately the business shifted to where I was in Arizona
a lot more and I was able to be successful.
I was the underdog big time. I ran against I
banked on the fact that the sheriff was going to
run for Congress, which he did, and then I was
running against the chief deputy. Now the chief deputy, everybody

(15:30):
thought he would win. He thought he would win, and
we just grinded out. We outworked him, we out hustled him,
and towards the end, they really the night of the election,
they thought they were going to win, and I was laughing.
I thought, we're going to blow these guys away. We're
gonna win sixty forty at least. Yeah, And we actually
won sixty four to thirty six percent.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
And I became the twenty fourth sheriff of Pinal County.
In January first and twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Wow, what an honor. And that's not a small jurisdiction either.
That's over fifty three hundred square miles.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
So it's the size of the state of Connecticut. Fifty
four hundred square miles. Yeah, there you go, it's the
size of the state of Connecticut. There's only fifteen counties
in the state of Arizona. This is the third largest
population wise, not landwise, but population wise, behind Phoenix and
then Tucson. So behind Maricopa County and Pima County. Then

(16:25):
there's Panal County, and we are logistically we're right between
Maricopa County and Pima County, So between Phoenix and Tucson.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, with two major interstates that run through there, I
eight and I ten, so major pipelines I'm guessing of
narcotics that are traveling right through your area, not to
mention all the state roads and stuff like that coming
up from Mexico. And you're how far away from Mexico,
were you, guys?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
So on the southern end of our county where there's
an Indian reservation that to Hanodam Indian Reservation, we are
fifty two miles off the border there, and we are
seventy seventy seven miles off the border something like that,
seventy five miles off the border where the ten intersects
with my county line, and so we are you know,

(17:15):
we're not right on the border. But we suffered from
the trafficking. Piece. Even during the first Trump administration when
they had kind of had some really good success stopping
a lot of that illegal immigration and drug trafficking, we
still had a problem in Banal County because they would
come through the desert and dumb out onto the I
eight and right into our communities, and I could show

(17:36):
I would take politicians out and show them all day
long to look at all this look at all the
camouflage clothes and the carpet shoes, and the water jugs
and the residue of the marijuana bells and all this
other stuff. And then we had all the human trafficking.
That wasn't as bad during the first Trump administration, but
under this last four years it was off the charts.

(17:57):
We had one of our canines one day he had
seven traffic stops. All seven of those traffic stops were
human load vehicles. It was every day on the I ten,
the I eight. Even on some of our other highways
that they tried to bypass Panow County, they still had
to come through Panow County. Which is why our county
became so important, is because we were treated by the

(18:19):
Border Patrol as a Tier one county. They treated us
as if we were a border county because of all
the stuff coming through the county, all the drugs, all
the people. This was. If we didn't stop them in
Panow County, it was going to get to Phoenix and
then it would be spread throughout the rest of the country,
go to places like Oklahoma, Nebraska, Chicago, New York. And

(18:41):
so we felt the real importance and we worked hard
to try to stop as much of that as we could.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, so you end up going there and you show
up at work your first day as sheriff. I'm sure
that I'm sure that that is. You know, I always
hear I'm a city cop, so but but I've always
heard that, you know, sometimes with new administrations there's going
to be a house cleaning. But then again, how do
you You can't just fire everybody and start all over.

(19:08):
You have to really work with what you got. So
how was that transition for you to You you owned businesses,
so you you kind of knew how to run stuff.
But what was that like. Now you're running a business,
it's got over two hundred deputies or more and it's
a huge undertaking. I would assume, Well, our.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Business there was six hundred employees, two hundred and fifty sworn,
one hundred and eighty in the jail, fifteen hundred bed jail.
We had a budget of over sixty million dollars and
all of a sudden, you walk in and they hand
you the keys and nobody really the previous outgoing administration
had been not not They weren't helpful. It didn't really

(19:48):
matter anyway, because we had to come through and change
some of the lot of the stuff up, the budget,
a lot of that. But yeah, that first day, you're
just like, I'm in charge. Now I'm the guy that
asked to make the decision as to what happens in
this agency. We had a morale issue we had to
deal with. We had budgeting issue we had to deal with.
There was a terrible relationship between the county and the

(20:10):
sheriff's office. We had to fix that. We had to
really gain the trust and the confidence of the community,
the business piece of it. In business, I could have
easily have just gone in and fired everybody. In law enforcement,
you can't do that. You can only get rid of
the people that are at will. Anybody else, the officer
Bill of Rights in Arizona prevents you from getting rid

(20:32):
of them. You have to have cause to get rid
of them, or you have to eliminate their position. What
I came in with was the approach of There was
a lot of them that left before I even came in.
The ones that were left, I gave them an honest
We did a thirty sixty or ninety day We went
and looked at their work product, their position, all of that.

(20:53):
We took it at thirty sixty and ninety days, depending
on where they were at, what their position was, and
how intricate that position was. In the end, we ended
up getting rid of pretty much everybody that was in
an at will position under the previous administration, and even
some of the non at will positions we got rid
of because it just didn't work out. If I were

(21:17):
to go back, I would just get rid of them
from the beginning. I wouldn't have done the thirty sixty
and ninety day then they caused me some problems initially,
And you know, you're like a baby deer on ice.
You're trying to get your footing and here they are
coming at you know, you're trying to figure it all out,
and you're still fighting against some of the ones that
were kind of undermining you on the backside. So if

(21:40):
I had to do one thing over, I would probably
go back and just say, hey, look, folks, thanks for
your service, but we're going to go a different route.
I wouldn't be mean about it. I would just say
this isn't part of our new plan. I try to
treat all this stuff like business, but I also understand
there's people involved, and so I always try to bring
the heart to it. But in the end, you have
to make business decisions. You have investors which are in

(22:02):
your taxpayers. You have your employees you have to watch
out for. And we had a lot of work to
do to get our employees raises, which they hadn't had
for eleven years. So there was a lot of work
that had to be done.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah, and how did you do that? How did you
get them raises? Is it from cuts elsewhere or is
that a kind that believe it or not.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
We didn't cut. What we did was we knew that
one of the problems was there was a bad relationship
between the county and the community, and so we reached
out to the county before I even took over, and
I said, hey, I would love to talk to you.
They said, uh, this was county finance. They said, uh,
can we call you right back. So they called me
back and then they said, we're sorry, we just we've

(22:44):
never gotten a call from the sheriff. We didn't know
how to respond to it. And so I said, noad
that that shocks me. We want to sit down and
we want to work with you on fixtorating figuring out
this budget. And so immediately we got buy in from
the county. And then they all also wanted a survey done.
They were trying to do a survey that the previous
administration had said we don't want to do it. And

(23:06):
I said, and frankly, I get that, I get that
wide approach, but this was an easy win for me.
I just went in and said, yeah, we'll do it
as long as if they come back and say we
need more people, that you will honor them. And they
said absolutely. Well it did come back and say we
needed these positions and these positions. And so then we
worked with the county again to say, look, I'm not

(23:27):
going to make you do it all at once. Let's
figure out how we can do this to where we
can do it within our budget without stressing out the
county or the taxpayer. And so we just systematically worked
with them, and immediately we started getting raises. We got
our guys on a legitimate pay scale. They got raises
every year, and right before I left, my deputies got

(23:48):
a ten percent raise last year, and this year, our
detention officers just got I think about a ten percent raise,
no excuse me, twenty percent. A twenty percent raise last year,
and the detention officers I think just got a twenty
percent raise this year. Work that we started last year.
So we did a lot of work and our deputies

(24:09):
appreciated it. We made small things like you can have
facial hair, or the previous administration made them cover up
their tattoos, and we said, look, as long as it's
not anything i've seen, we're okay with you having your tattoos.
Showing just little victories like that with the troops, we
started to get the morale back up and they could see, Hey,

(24:31):
this sheriff is going to work for he's working hard
for us. I mean, you don't win them over overnight.
You have to do it day in and day out.
You got to go out and work with them, which
is what I did. I see Kerrie here said she
loved watching Live PD. Live PD. I'll just go real quick.
They came in. They came in right when I won

(24:53):
the election, and I was like, look, I don't even
know what I'm doing yet. I don't want to jump
into this. But six months into it, I said, hey,
let's go back to Live PD and see if they're interested.
I was actually at a sheriff's conference in Colorado on
a Monday. I told my chief, hey, call Life PD
and see if they're still interested. He calls them on Monday.
I was still in Colorado on Friday on my way home,

(25:16):
and Life PD was already in our agency filming by Friday.
That's how fast that went. And from there it just
took off and it was I loved it because it
showcased the good work that our men and women were
doing every day.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, I'll tell you what we've been on the first
forty eight for you know, our city alone, and our
unit has been on there for over eleven years. And
I'll I'll tell you something, Mark, I'm shocked that there's
not other police departments fighting for the chance to be
on that show. I don't get it. It's fascinating to me.
All of the fear of being transparent. I mean, if

(25:53):
you're doing your thing, I mean, it's been a blessing
for us. I can't say it enough. And the level
of profession with the ITV and A and E to boot,
you know, we were on A and E as well,
so kind of you were like a sister show to
us essentially. But the public really loved Live PD, and
I thought that that was great.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
I thought the same thing. I couldn't understand why agencies
weren't using social media, first of all, and I couldn't
understand why they weren't setting the narrative. The media was
setting the narrative on them. And then I couldn't understand
why agencies wouldn't want to do Live PD. A lot
of it is you get a leaders that are afraid
they want to control what comes out, and I think

(26:37):
then in the end that tends to hurt them. If
they were open about it with the community and showcase it.
I think you end up winning out the community's hearts
and minds and they see you very different. And then
what we wanted to do is we also wanted to
showcase our detention officers because that's an important part of
the sheriff's office. And so we accepted to do live PD. Now,

(26:59):
mind you, I had career law enforcement guys as my
chiefs that I brought in and they did. They were
so uncomfortable. They're like, whoa sheriff? This is way outside
our comfort zone. I said, trust me, this is going
to work. We're taking a business approach to this. We're
going to market our product. We have taxpayers that are
our investors, and we want to show them what we're

(27:20):
doing with their money. And I promise you this will
help us get raises for our guys. And it all did.
It all benefited the community. We had our population growth
grew in here. People wanted to come live in Panow
County and then obviously COVID we only stepped on the
gas there and more and more people wanted to come.
But yeah, I don't understand why guys don't do it either.

(27:43):
And on a side, Nmer before I forget Chief McCrory,
Mark McCrory from Touls that is out here as a
chief and one of the of the season our county
and one of my good friends who I think the
world of and who I love his leadership style. As
Travis Yates.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, I know him both very well. Well,
I didn't know McCrory. I knew McCrory, but you know,
he's a he was a deputy chief and I was
a peasant, you know what I mean. So it's not
like I was chopping it up with him, but I
know I've worked around him. He was my deputy chief
and very well respected. So yeah, yeah, I know. I
know he's been out there for a long time. So

(28:20):
that's good that you know him. So. Uh But anyway,
so so you guys get to a point and and
and tell both of them. I said, hello, if you
get you know, if you think of it down the
line and you see him so so uh yeah, Travis
Shates is doing a lot of good out there with
you know, talking about leadership and and.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
To touch his ner center. A lot of these leaders
don't like to hear what he has to say. It
I'm kind of the same way. Like I, I think
that in many ways, our leadership has failed us in
this profession. We saw it on full display in twenty twenty.
We saw just agencies bending the knee. We saw agencies
that were scared to defend the people's rights. And I

(29:00):
can you know, I was disappointed to see some of
the law enforcement across this country and the approach they took,
and the failure to protect their citizens and their constitutional
rights during COVID and during twenty twenty and all that stuff.
And I just, man, I wish that we had a
different leadership and stronger leadership and instead of trying to,

(29:23):
you know, bad mouth I know I am right now,
but I'm not calling them out individually. I wanted to say,
I want. What I did is I just tried to
lead by example, and I tried to stand on my
own two feet and hopefully people would notice and take
courage and say, if Sheriff Lamb can do it, I
can do it too.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, just out of curiosity, you know, as a sheriff,
did you did you get with the neighboring sheriffs And
if you did, were they helpful in trying to kind
of show you the ropes or were their situations a
little bit kind of falling behind as well.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Well, I think that anytime you can get with a
leader of an organiz and gleaned from them, you know something,
I think you've got to do it. And one of
the things that I that helped me getting in with
all the sheriffs, you know, because your gut, you're jumping
into a club. You know, you've got these sheriffs. Now
there's this new guy, and these kind of flashed, you know,

(30:17):
they look at you and they call me Hollywood now.
Because we did all those other things, but I went
to every single one of their offices. I went and
sat down in front of them and I said, guys,
tell me about what can I do? You have advice
for me? And and they, every single one of them.
That made our relationships go ramp up immediately, and we

(30:39):
were immediately we had mutual respect for each other. And
really it benefited me because I was able to go
to each one of those counties, each one of these
sheriffs and sit down with them and talk through it
and learn from them. And I was able to call
them and when I had questions, So yeah, it was
a huge benefit to me. I saw dannyes if I
got the Buke Pusser Award. I just did and this year.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Wow, congratulations. You know Danny. Actually he's actually related to
the Halfcocks, which is the bad side that you cutter.
I'm serious. He's actually a relative of the Halfcocks, which
is in the anyway. So yeah, he he knows a
lot about that stuff and that's what. Congratulations on getting that.

(31:23):
That's a big one.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
So thank you, thank you. Well, I'll tell you that's
interesting out there in that area because there is a
faction of people that are like, that's not what happened,
and then there's the people that say that is exactly
what happened. Look, I was honored that. I didn't get
into all that. I just looked at it and said,

(31:45):
this is an award for a sheriff's award. I was
honored to get it. Surprisingly, a lot of people know
who Buford Pusser is. I've become really good friends with
the sheriff now of McNairy County, and I'm actually trying
to buy a property in mc mary County right now.
I'm wow working on trying to buy a wrench mc

(32:05):
mary County. So yeah, I'll tell you that's carry for
the congratulations as well.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, Danny actually rode in the backseat of a Vaford
Busters Sheriff's car back the school. I mean that's true. Yeah.
But anyway, so so you you make a point too.
You've already been introduced to the television side of things,
so that probably made it a little bit of an
easier transition or an easier decision to allow for Sixty

(32:31):
Days In to come into your town. And but I
think that, you know, bringing them into a jail, what
was that like and what was the decisioning the decision
making of doing that. Is that once again, to improve
your people, let's find out what's going on, let's maybe
bring some money to us, things along that nature. But
is that kind of right or how did that all

(32:52):
that go about?

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well most people don't realize this, but we started filming
with Live PD and it wasn't It was almost at
the same time that Sixty Days In approached us within
a month or two, so I think began this film.
We started with sixty Days In or excuse me, with
Live PD and in mid twenty seventeen, and by mid

(33:20):
by late twenty seventeen, we were in serious talks with
sixty days in now. Like I told you, my guys,
when I went to them and I go, hey, guys,
I got something else I want to talk to you about.
They're like, Sheriff, we can't do this. I said, trust me,
it'll be fine. We'll go do it. It was nerve wracking.
It was a tough show to do because we finally

(33:42):
get them in there. We had a couple of issues.
One of the guys that originally came out as one
of their directors. We did our first day where we
come in and we meet with all of the candidates
or the participants, i should say, and we start about
right away. We started thinking, man, this dude's on drugs.

(34:05):
And we call the producer at the end of the
day and we're like, look, your boy's on drugs, man,
and I don't think this is. This is We're a
little nervous. And then there were some issues with leaving
some equipment in the jail, and so we were really

(34:25):
close to pulling the plug. And kudos to the producer.
He's an awesome guy, good friend, and he said, look,
I'm gonna personally oversee this. So the day we're going
to put our first guy in there, we have to
pump the brakes and pull the plug. They call us
while he's literally on the way to the jail, they
call us to say, Sheriff, don't bring him in. We

(34:47):
have to make an adjustment, and we had to put
it on a two week hiatus. They sent all the candidates,
the participants to They said, hey, where do you want
to go. We'll pay for you to go somewhere for
two weeks. So they sent him out for two weeks.
They come back in and he's like, look Sheriff, I'm
gonna personally oversee this, Please let us stay in this deal.

(35:08):
Because we could have just said hey, because we were right.
The guy was on drugs. I think he ended up
going out to rehab and I don't know where he's
at now, but we were a spot on. He was
on drugs, and so it was on life support right
at the beginning. But once they got going, it was
there was a lot going on, and we were seeing

(35:29):
things in the jail that they weren't. There was nothing
earth shattering, but they were things that they were things
that we were just complacing on. And it wasn't bad complacency.
It's just natural to become to create a pattern. You know,
this is a homicide detective. Human beings have a natural
tendency to create patterns till a lot of them get caught.

(35:52):
And in the jail we're no different or on the road,
we create patterns in the way we do our work. Well.
Inmates have nothing else to do but watch those patterns,
and then they start to figure things out. And so
when we finished it, we learned a lot about what
we just little tweaks we needed to make to have
success and to fix some of the issues that we

(36:13):
had in our jail. But that's how it came about,
and it was being filmed at the same time. So
I would film with Sixty Days In during the day
and then I'm going and filming with Live PD. But
I couldn't say anything about it, and a couple of
times I slipped and almost slipped up, but luckily the
Live PD people didn't catch it. But they didn't know

(36:33):
anything about it until we were all said and done,
and then the show was produced, and then I think
it ended up coming out at the beginning of twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Amanda show that clip of that of Sixty Days In
just to remind people of the participants, which I think
are memorable from Pinell County.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Once I entered the pod, it really feels like this
is it. It has really begun.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Man.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Everybody in there does drugs, everybody who everybody, everybody.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I really love that these days.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Anyway, she's out there telling people that we were undercover cops.
There was a lot of sign language going on, so
that was a red flag there. If you come in
here and you interview, you're a target.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Nobody in this part of question nothing I say.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I'm who it is, right.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Lady, I can't do this. I can't I can't be
a chaplain here.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
I have to be compig.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
There has been a security breach.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
They just got played and they now know who played them.
They're waiting for the green light.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
We need to make sure all the participants are safe.
We're determining whether we got to shut the whole thing
down or no.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
I'm giving us about ten minutes before I stand up
in the mills table on the mills, m let the
whole you'll know what's going on, all right? Thinking about
the ugly here, all right, well i'll tell you. I'll
say where the inmates. I mean, listen, sixty days in

(38:57):
had been on for a while, it's been it had
been on for years, a few years at least. Were
they not I mean wondering why all the cameras are
all of a sudden getting put in there? Or were
they pretty much just do it, you know, slowly? Or
I how did that work? Because I would think that
they would have had suspicions straight out of the gate.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
You know, Look, they have cameras on them every day.
So even if I went in and put a bunch
of new cameras on them within forty eight hours, they
wouldn't care about them. They got cameras on them all
the time. What we did was we did tell them, hey,
because now you've got producers, you got people walking into
the to the pods. So we said, look, we're doing

(39:36):
a show, a border gel show about this. And so
because the employees don't know either, contrary to what people think, Man,
that was a pain in the neck to get your
guys booked in so that nobody would know. And then
you had all these personalities we were dealing with, and
every single one of them screwed up their story right

(39:57):
from the get go. I mean, you watching that preview,
it was the best season. In my opinion, I agreed.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
I'm not just saying it because you're here. I really, man,
that's where I that's where I grew to just love
your county. I thought it was awesome really, so I agree.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
It was fun. It was fun that it was nerve wracking,
and we did we missed so Abner. Abner was one
of the guys we had to pull out in the end.
And it kind of started because of David. David said something,
these guys figured it out. These inmates, well some of
them are dumb. They're not dumb. They are very astute
on street smarts and stuff, and so they figure it out.

(40:40):
And my chief wakes up at like four in the
morning one morning, three in the morning, and he think
he says, I gotta get Abner out. And so he
calls down to the gel and he's like, hey, I
need you to get Abner out. And we're about day
forty five probably at this point, and so he calls
down there and I don't think they showed this in

(41:02):
the show. Well, Abner had woken up at the same time,
and Abner's like, I got to get out of here.
Whether it's a god thing whatever. They both woke up
that morning feeling like, hey, we got to get him
out of here. We came in, we were able to
get Abner out by about six seven o'clock in the morning,
and when we went back and watched the video, we

(41:23):
realized that all those guys had put on their fighting
shoes and they were getting ready to attack Abner. And
I have no doubt that had we left him in
there for even another six hours, they would have attacked him.
And then what we did is over the next few days,
we systematically pulled all of the other participants out, and

(41:45):
I believe the last one we pulled out was Mark
and that was probably about it. The fifty day mark
or fifty two day Mark.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, he was he the one with the glasses.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, he had the one there in the beginning. I'm like,
no way, what do you guys for stealing pencils?

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, right, listen, he came out, and he came out
actually really impressive, and he kind of got Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Mark ended up being the best one out of all
of them. Yeah, it was the most he had the
best information and I was most impressed with Mark.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, I was too. Actually, the one I was kind
of surprised about was the police officer. You know, I
just was like, you know, Abner, I thought did an
amazing job, honestly, but he was able to at least
exist in there without many issues up until the end.
But no, I thought it was I thought it was
a fantastic venture. And and did you guys just do
that for the one season or did you guys do
it for a second one as well?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Oh, there was no way we were going to be
able to do it a second season because the inmates
were up. They were they caught on and so we
were able to do one season. And I mean, the
intensity of it, it was real, man. And what they
people ask me all the time is that real? And
I was like, yeah, it's real. They made change some
of the timelines around a little bit, but it's irrelevant.

(43:03):
Timeline stuff where they show somebody doing something kind of
mundane which actually happened before another video. But in the end,
what you saw was what was going on in there.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Any regrets, No, No.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Like I'm not one of those people that has regrets
unless you're making bad decisions. You know, if you're trying
to do something that's good and your heart's in the
right place, and like my shirt says, fear out do right.
If you're trying to do right. I think that things
some things don't work out, But I don't have regrets
because I did what I thought was right, and I

(43:41):
think it was cred to live life like that. You
have regrets when you go off the deep end and
you start doing stupid stuff and then you look back
and you're like, dad, gum, I shouldn't have done that.
But when you're trying to do what's right, I think
you think you realize hindsight twenty twenty man, I could
have probably done that a little different, But I don't
have regrets for or what we do, and I certainly

(44:01):
didn't ever regret of doing that show. I thought it
was great.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Well, let's talk about your website. You have a website
where people can As a matter of fact, he's got
an Instagram page. You can follow him there, but you
can go to www. Dot ten seven Consulting and tell
us a little bit about that. What do we find
when we go there.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
One thing I've learned as my time in law enforcement
as the sheriff is police officers. They do such a
great job. They go out and work in our communities
every day. But very few of them have any knowledge
about what business is, and so most people don't realize
this statistic, and it's a sobering statistic that the average
police officer will die within five years of retirement. Some

(44:45):
states report that they only pay out twenty three payments,
payout for twenty three months to people's retirement, and then
those guys die. That's the average payout for a state
we were talking to. I can't remember which state. So
what we're doing is we are now teaching people about business,
whether you're on the job, whether you're getting ready to retire,

(45:06):
or whether you've already retired, or whether you come from
the military, if you're a veteran, and frankly, we do it.
Anybody that wants to come in and start a business
and you want that camaraderie, that squad, we are here
to help you every step of the way. We help
you set up your first LLC, we teach you. We've
got videos that teach you all about the different structures,

(45:27):
what's right for you, marketing, taxes, those types of things.
I have lawyers that you have access to. What we
want is to give law enforcement and veterans and anybody
that wants purpose. We want you to have new purpose
in life. We live in the greatest country in the world,
and right now with AI and everything out there, if
you want to go out and start your own business,

(45:48):
the ability to make money right now is off the charts.
But you've got to go out and start that business.
And a lot of cops are afraid to that first step.
They don't know what to do. Well, that's what we
do at ten seven and as we help them. And
the other thing is when you retire, it goes radio silent.
Like the next day, they shut off your email, they
make you turn in all your gear, they shut off

(46:09):
your email, nobody calls you anymore, your radio chatter, you
hear in your ears no longer there, and you start
to think, what the heck what happened? And what we
want is people to actually have purpose again. And so
we're helping law enforcement and veterans and anybody that wants
to start a business. Go to ten seven Consulting. I
also wrote this book, my newest book, third book. It's

(46:32):
called ten seven When your shift ends and your life
begins ten ten to seven is the term for us.
It's going ten to seven means you're off duty. And
so when your shift ends and your Life begins as
the number one bestseller for leadership on Amazon. And what
it does is it really talks about taking that next

(46:53):
step in life. And even if you're still on the
job and you're working off duty and you don't have
a business set up to offset the tax, is you
better get on there and get something set up and
get your company seasoned, take advantage of the tax ride offs,
and build a business for the future. What this book
is about is saying, look, you've served your community, You've

(47:13):
developed a set of skills that are unlike it in
the marketplace. Don't let them go to waste. Build your
own business, go out, don't rely on somebody else to
cut your check. And one more thing, your pension is
like a participation trophy. Unless you made a ton of
money out in California, most of us are not going
to have enough money to live off of in the pension.

(47:35):
And so you've got to subsidize it. And instead of
going and maybe being a Walmart greeterer, which there's nothing
wrong with that, I always tell my wife, I'll be
the best dagum Walmart greeterer. When I finally decide to
really hang it up or go in and work in security.
There's nothing wrong with that. But why not be the
guy at the top. Why not be the guy that
makes the decisions as opposed to actually having to worry

(47:59):
about chain command and all that. So we're helping guys.
We want to give them purpose. Come out, get a business,
get your book. I'll send you the book if you're
with membership, and you get it on Amazon or get
it on my website. So I love it.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I love that. That's it. What a great what a
great idea. Yeah, what a great idea that I don't
even know that anybody else has ever came up with
a book like that. Mark, And how how many books
are out there about policing, you know, but yet nobody
mentions that. So good, good for you for doing that.
That's definitely I must read, uh for sure. And then
you also got a couple actually you've got actually you've

(48:37):
got three other books that come to mind. Now one
of them is a children's book, but there's there's one
of them American Ship True at what's this one about?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
So my son actually got in trouble. My one of
my kids, I have five kids. One of my kids
actually had a drug problem. And it was probably around
the time it started, around the time I was running
for office. You know, there is always when you take
more a lot of life, when you challenge life and
you want to do great things, life will throw some

(49:07):
things at you too, because it'll test your moxie. It'll
test to see how tough you really are and whether
it's going to reward the greatness or not. And one
of those things we struggled with is a sun that
struggled with drugs. And it happened. It was years and
at one point it was we told my son and
we were like, look, you cannot drive our cars. You
cannot get in our cars and drive them. Somebody had

(49:28):
saw them at a stoplight, hunched over, passed out. And
so I left for an event one day and I
get a call and my son. It's my son and
he says, Dad, I just hit a guy on a bike.
And immediately your world just and you know, this is
a problem. So we leave the event. We go, we

(49:51):
drive over, pull up, it's not far from our house.
We see my son his vehicle. I check on my son,
He's okay. Walk back to the guy. He's laying on
the ground being worked by the paramedics, and I'm just
praying this guy doesn't die, because if this guy dies,
we have a whole set of much of bigger problems.

(50:13):
And fortunately the guy did not die. But one of
the toughest things I ever had to do was walk
back over to my son and stand in front of
him and looking at him, and I said, I'm sorry,
but I have to leave you here. If I stay here,
they're going to say that I influenced this case in
some way. And I said, you're on your own. And

(50:35):
my wife and I walked away and got in our
car and drove off and I left them there surrounded
by eight deputies. Well, my son got charged with the
agassault with the deadly weapon the guy. You know. Obviously
we had to pay out the guy. My son didn't
now any money, and I wasn't about to saddle my
son with a lifetime of debt just because of you know.

(50:57):
And so the only thing we could do was write books.
So we wrote books to help pay for my son.
What happened. And so my wife and I went out
and sold books every weekend. We went to gun shows.
Fortunately it opened the door for speaking events. But that
book is called American Sheriff traditional values in the modern world.

(51:19):
All the people that watched me on Live PD in
sixty days in they said, Sheriff, we want to know
more about you. So this book is kind of like
it talks a little bit about my life and what
I've been through, but it also talks about what I
think are the traditional values in America that built this
country and that we've kind of lost. We've lost track
with My son ended up spending six months in my

(51:41):
own jail, which that was prior that was even after
I wrote my second book. I don't know if you
have that picture, but my second book is called American
Sheriff Rules to Live By. There's a poem by Rudyard
Kipling called If and I love the poem. It's an
amazing poem about becoming a man. And I wanted to

(52:03):
do a book on that poem, and so I took
that poem and for the different stanzas of the poem,
I tell stories of the family, fathers, stories of hope
and courage and determination. I tell some of my old stories,
and that book is about that. And then obviously the
children's book Brave Books, who does an amazing books. They

(52:24):
came to me and they said, we'd love for you
to be a partner on one of our books. I
have to be honest, they did most of the writing,
but they let me take the credit for it. I
asked for one thing. I said, you've got to draw
a little Lamb police officer in there, which they did
put them in there with the cowboy hat on in
one of the pages. And the Obviously my book here

(52:45):
ten seven is my newest book, so.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
I am back the author.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I have no author I just believe that you've got
to share. If people don't share what they learn in
life and what they experience in life, it's all for
not And you've got to share those experiences and what
you've been through. Whether nobody reads it or whether ten
million people read it or ten people read it, somebody

(53:11):
somewhere needs to hear what you've learned from this life.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
And then your wife's book, let's not forget about that. Yeah, now, my.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Wife's book is actually good. I'm liar at the same time,
So my wife and I both wrote books, and her
book and people think it's a cookbook, but what we
wanted to showcase was, you know, she's been a homemaker
for most of our marriage and the sheriff's wife holding
it all together behind the scenes. In politics, you want

(53:41):
to talk about books that don't teach our law enforcement,
our veterans how to you know what to do after
they retire. There's also no books for wives of elected officials,
let alone sheriffs and what we go through and the
challenges we face. And so she told she wrote that book,
and she's her book is great. She wrote a second book. Unfortunately,

(54:06):
we launched her book literally a couple of days before
my son, the same son, who, by the way, thankfully,
thanks to God, was clean God is life cleaned up.
We had a daughter and then my daughter in law.
But unfortunately, just days after my wife released her second book,
they were hit and killed by somebody driving under the

(54:27):
influence of alcohol and drugs. Killed my twenty two year
old son, my eleven month old granddaughter, and my daughter
in law were all killed in that accident. So neither
one of our first two books talk about what all that,
you know, my son going to jail and losing my son,
my granddaughter, my daughter in law. So yeah, it's we've

(54:50):
been through some stuff, but so does everybody else, you know,
we we understand. It's given us a real, a real
perspective on life, and you know, real compassion for people
with what they go through in this life.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah, for sure. And thanks for sharing that. I that
definitely a lot of people, certainly. I remember when that happened, Mark,
and I immediately was just sick, sick for you and
your family and and uh, just horrible, horrible, horrible situation. Man.
I feel like I'm a better person from sitting here
listening to you Mark today. I mean, honestly, I You've

(55:26):
You've inspired, You're inspiring me right now as you're sitting
here talking and and and just what you're talking about
in those books, Holy cow. I mean, ladies and gentlemen,
you don't have to be a cop to get those books.
Those books are I mean, I'm going to get them.
I'm telling you that one ten seven that I didn't
know you even had that one. I'm excited about that one.

(55:46):
That's going to be cool. And then on top of it,
you're coming out with a podcast, but you already have
a few episodes already out there. Let's mention that before
we take off, because.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
I want a podcast on that ten to seven with
Sheriff Mark Lamba. What I'm doing is finding better and
people and law enforcement. We're talking about their careers and
then we're talking about business and how they transitioned from
law enforcement or from being service in the military or
just in their daily lives and how they transitioned into
the business world. Some of the things that they learned,

(56:18):
some of the things the mistakes they've made. And what
we want is those guys who come to ten seven
and who become members, we want them to not make
the same mistakes that so many of us have made.
We want you to be able to curb those mistakes
and actually have success quicker in entrepreneurship. Although everybody's got
to make mistakes to really grow, but we're trying to

(56:40):
help with that. So the podcast is I just did
one with Sheriff Richard Jones in Butler County, Ohio. He's great,
you'll see him on the news all the time.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
I've done one with a guy named Dan Newlan, who
a good friend of mine, who lives out in Florida,
who's probably if you live in the Orlando area you
have seen Dan Newland signs.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
He is an injury attorney, but he was a cop
forever and was a reserve cop and we talk about that.
We talked to my son in law who was a
military veteran. We've got a few more coming on, but
we've already filmed probably six or seven podcasts. I just
did one today with Chief Deputy Matt Thomas, my chief

(57:21):
deputy for eight years, talked about his career the book
he wrote. I mean, it's going to be great, and
what we're doing is we're trying to inspire people. I
appreciate the kind comments over here, the condolences and the
kind comments, like life is tough and this life is
there's a lot of negative and ugly stuff out there.

(57:45):
We're focusing on being great and that's what this life
is about, is being the best version you can offer
to the world. And my whole mantra and the things
that I do, the businesses I built, are designed to
try to really impact people's lives in a positive way.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah, thank you, sir. I really do appreciate you. I
consider you a friend, even though we've just spent this
evening together, but you from here on you're somebody I've
already looked up to you for a long time, and
thank you for being accessible to me. You were accessible
from the gate. You've always we've communicated off and on
for probably a year and a half. Really to get

(58:24):
you here because you're busy, I'm busy. It just didn't
you know the schedule, et cetera. But man, thanks a
lot for sharing your story tonight. And this is probably
one of one of the nicest, one of the one
of the most informative episodes I've had out of the
sixty three episodes, and that's saying a lot. I've had
some exceptional people on here, but you're you're somebody special,

(58:46):
believe me, and you've really made my night tonight. So
thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen. Check out his books,
check out his website, check out his podcast. My Gosh,
the following on It's going to be credible is I'm
sure no doubt. Your social media following is just insane.
And just thank you for being in the world law enforcement.

(59:08):
You've really made a difference and that's why I love
people like you on the show. Any final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, Jason, thank you for the kind words. Danny, thank you, Carrie.
I appreciate all the comments. Look, the other thing I'm
doing is trying to build up my YouTube right now,
and I've actually jumped into the world of going over
bodycam videos and we're actually having a lot of success already.
People wanted to come see what the sheriff has to

(59:35):
think about the bodycam videos. Most of them are Karen's
you know, like are the people that are really cause
problems for us in law enforcement, and I break some
of those down. But yeah, go to at Real American
Sheriff on YouTube at Real American Sheriff and frankly, if
you can't find it, just come to my Instagram page

(59:58):
American Sheriff and I'll have linked probably every day which
will get you to the YouTube page.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Perfect the American Sheriff right here. Ladies and gentlemen loved it.
Check him out on his Instagram, on his website. Check
out any of his books. I know that they would
never be disappointed in any one of those. And tell
your wife thank you for letting us borrow you tonight
as well, and we don't want to forget about her
and check her check her book out as well. And

(01:00:26):
ladies and gentlemen, don't forget to like and subscribe this
channel because I want to. I want to get the
word out as well. And it really helps me bring
in guests, just like just like the good sheriff here,
and and we appreciate each and every one of you.
I agree, Carrie, he is inspirational. I agree that all
of the comments that I've been reading over here, they've

(01:00:47):
been just epic. Thanks a lot. I'll let you go
stick around for a quick minute and next week. Next week,
we've got Steve Spagnola, the lead detective of the Jeffrey
Dahmer case. Legend in the world. I know he's big time,
isn't he, Sheriff, You're he's a big one. He's one
of those big time, well known homicide detectives. And he'll

(01:01:09):
be here next week. So hopefully, ladies and gentlemen, you'll
catch us next week. But until then, have a safe week.
I look forward to you next weekend or next Friday.
Check out the merchandise page if you're looking for some
cool coffee cups, et cetera. And thanks for being here,
and thank you again, Mark, I appreciate you, buddy. Take

(01:01:30):
us out, Amanda,