December 10, 2023 • 13 mins
Jennifer speaks to us about the rabid response to Taylor Swift being named Time's "Person Of The Year."
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(00:01):
Hi, this is Jennifer Horn andyou're listening to Is it just me or
have we all lost our minds?This is just kind of a quick take,
a hot take from me on thenaming of Taylor Swift as the Person
of the Year on the cover ofTime magazine and of course an extensive,
in depth article about her on theinside as well. I encourage folks to
(00:25):
buy the magazine and read the articleif you feel like it, if you're
interested, if you care about it. I've never put a lot of stock
into the Time magazine person of theYear, the whole thing. But it's
you know, the magazine's a business, it's a media operation, and the
editors and the owners have a rightto decide who they want to put on
(00:46):
their cover at the end of theyear and call their person of the Year.
Sometimes I've agreed, sometimes I haven't. But like I said, I
don't put up a lot of stockinto it. So why am I here
talking about it with you? Here'swhy. I just us into one of
many responses to Taylor Swift being namedthe Person of the Year that I just
(01:08):
find I don't know if it's offensiveor if it's almost comical, and how
out of date. It is.As many of you know, I am
a contributor on the panel over atcenter clip dot com where we do these
little five minute audio op edge andone, you know, one of the
topics this week was Taylor Swift beingon the magazine and I did in originally
(01:33):
post about it because, like Isaid, the Time magazine Person of the
Year thing is you know to me, and maybe I don't know if it's
a generational thing or whatever, butit's just a not a big, a
big moment in my year. Butone of the other contributors on there,
who is you know, identify,says that he's a conservative, as I
also identify as a conservative, andhe's an older I'm just going to say
(01:55):
it straight out. I just saidit to him on my response to his
post, and I'll say it here. Sounds like kind of an angry,
bitter, old white guy talking aboutTaylor Swift as the person Times Person of
the Year. He denigrated her talent, He denigrated the people who spend the
money to go and watch her perform. He told some you know story that
(02:17):
he, I guess thought was reallyimportant for all of us to hear about
why he thought somebody else in thepat why he thought Greta Thunberg should not
have been the Person of the Yearwhen she was. But I just as
I listened to him, frankly,I just like I said, he just
sounded like a bitter, angry,old white guy. And I say that
(02:37):
comfortably because I've confronted so many ofthem in my lifetime, especially since I
entered politics, Republican conservative politics atthe age of forty four. I have
said before, you know, thechauvinism, the sexism that is just in
(02:59):
you know, just an institutional stillin this country in many ways never struck
me and never directly impacted me untilI got involved in Republican politics. And
that's I guess what really kind ofgot me going when I heard Mitch's comments
(03:20):
about Taylor Swift. And here's whatI think that people should know about Taylor
Swift. Whether you like her musicor not, it doesn't matter how old
is Taylor Swift, like thirty yearsold, and she is one of the
most successful business people in our country, not just in music, not just
(03:43):
in media or entertainment, but inthe country. Mitch complained about suburban somebody
or the other. I forget howhe described the people spending money, spending
twenty five hundred dollars on ticket andto take there, you know, spending
this what he perceived to be anoutrageous amount of money to take their young
daughters. And he complained about theinfluence of the music and the message on
(04:08):
society and culture and everything else.Well, here's what you should know about
Taylor Swift, and specifically about herAra's tour. On average, each one
of her shows, not the wholetour, each one of her shows was
an economic boost to each of thecommunities where it took place. On average,
(04:32):
people spent about ninety three million dollarsper show. And yeah, some
of that was on tickets, butit was on merchandise. It was on
travel, it was on hotels,it was on food, it was on
clothing, it was on all sortsof things. And in total, the
(04:54):
Ara's tour by the time it finished, by the time Taylor Swift finished her
tour throughout the United time States,her tour alone provided a positive five point
seven billion dollar boost to the Americaneconomy. Think about that. This woman,
(05:14):
this one young, talented, intelligent, ambitious woman, has created a
product that gave a five point sevenbillion dollar economic boost to our country,
and people want to denigrade her andundermine her and insult her. Why because
(05:36):
you're not that successful, because maybeyou're not as smart as she is,
because you somehow resent anybody accomplishing somethingthat you didn't accomplish. It just infuriates
me. I have reached a pointin my life where people like Mitch and
(05:57):
this entire demographic of you know,old, angry white people who resent anybody
who has something they don't have,or has accomplished something they haven't accomplished.
I'm so over it. I amso done with this. And I've been
old enough and accomplished enough of myown that I no longer feel like I
(06:20):
have to just smile and be niceand go on to get along so that
I can accomplish what I want toaccomplish, or so that people don't try
to limit my opportunities. Be niceto the angry guys, be nice to
the guys who are grabby, whoare you know, who denigrate and demean
(06:40):
other people, who judge you becauseyou're a woman, who you know,
continue, even in this supposedly modernday and age, expect women to sort
of, you know, just sortof subconsciously or silently make sure they have
permission to be successful before they actuallygo out there and do it. I
(07:00):
think that Taylor Swift is one ofthe smartest people in business today, and
I really admire her for that.The other thing that he said that got
me going again. And as manyof you who listen to our show regularly
know, I'm a conservative. Ihave always considered myself a conservative. I've
(07:21):
lead in limited government. I believein individual rights and liberty and freedom.
I believe in a strong national defense, all those core conservative values that actually
lift up I've used to say thisall the time. When I ran for
Congress, this was part of myspeech because I just believe it so deeply
(07:41):
in my heart that are when weexecute or when we implement those types of
core conservative, sincere values, theyhave the ability to lift up everybody in
the community. And I'm always happyto have that conversation with people who disagree
with me, you know, withmy friends who are liberals or who are
progressives. And I do have lotsof friends who are liberals and progressives with
(08:07):
whom I have many deep disagreements.Politically, I guess what we get along
and we can disagree, and wehave so much else in common in the
world, and we all still wantgood things through the country that we can
have these conversations and try to worktogether and find compromise. But the comment,
the other comment that was made inthis post, you know, like
(08:30):
I've said repeatedly already, denigrating TaylorSwift was a criticism I think with all
these suburban families I don't know ifyou said suburban elite or a wealthy suburban
something like that, who went outthere and spent twenty five hundred dollars on
tickets for a concert and then spendthe money to bring their young daughters there
(08:52):
as well, and just really aninsult not just to folks who work card
and earn money, but an insultto the conservative value that when people work
hard and earn their own money,they have the right to spend it anyway
they choose. And again, thisis a guy who thinks that he's a
leading voice in conservatism, and Ithink he's probably a perfectly good guy.
(09:18):
I don't know know him personally,I don't have any reason to believe otherwise.
But the comments are so hypocritical andso damaging, and they undermine the
confidence and the ego of our younggirls who are growing up in this world.
If you can afford to buy aticket and take your eight year old
(09:41):
or twelve year old or fourteen yearold whatever, daughter to a concert,
to a Taylor Swift concert, Godbless you do it. I think Taylor
Swift is a great role model foryoung girls today, for women today.
You know she and you should lookthis up to get the details of it.
I'm not going to be able toarticulate it well. But when she
(10:03):
was early in her career, shesomehow lost control of the rights to her
music by the you know machinations ofsome of these you know, old time
you know, backroom guys who runthe music industry to this date, in
a large part, she was ableto fight back regain the rights to her
(10:26):
talent and her product. What shehad done and has since then built this
extraordinary business operation one woman. Ithink she's thirty now twenty nine something like
that. Look at what she hasaccomplished with great resistance from those within her
own industry over and over and overagain. Do I want, you know
(10:50):
what, I'd like to have mygranddaughter look up to her and see her
as a role model and and youknow, learn from her intelligence and her
ambition. Absolutely, I would,Absolutely, I would. And I don't
know if she is a Democrat orRepublican or anything else, and I don't
particularly care. But she has,you know, taken control of her own
(11:13):
life. She has lived by herown principles and her own values, and
she has been a strong, courageousvoice, not just for herself but for
women everywhere. I think she's fantastic, and again, not just because of
her music, because of her smarts, because of her generosity and her kindness.
(11:37):
Don't forget the stories about how extremelygenerous she has been with her staff,
with the people who are employees her, the truck drivers, the folks
who set up and break down thestage, for all those people who work
in jobs where you will never knowwho they are. They will never make
the kind of money she makes,but her bonuses to them have been in
(12:01):
excess of one hundred thousand dollars perperson. That is extraordinarily generous and kind.
So I'm going to say it again. Do I think she's a great
role model for young girls everywhere?Absolutely? In fact, what I should
have told that guy was, Ithink she's a great role model for him,
(12:24):
and he could learn a lot fromher. Do I care whether Taylor
Swift or somebody else is on thecover of Time Magazine this month? Nope,
I don't do. I think she'searned it if they want to give
it to her, Absolutely, Ido, no question about it. I
think she's awesome. That is whatI have to say about the Time Magazine
(12:48):
Person of the Year, And Ithank you for tuning in. You know,
when we first started this podcast andgave it its title, what have
We All Lost Our Minds? Outof its being mostly just about politics,
but it is becoming more and moreclear to me that there are so many
people in this country who act asif they had lost their minds in every
(13:11):
path of our society and our culture, and it's time we start not just
calling them out, but start standingup for what we know is right,
insane and rational in this world.This is Jennifer Whore you are listening to.
Is it just me? Or havewe all lost our minds?
Hi, this is Jennifer Horn andyou're listening to Is it just me or
have we all lost our minds?This is just kind of a quick take,
a hot take from me on thenaming of Taylor Swift as the Person
of the Year on the cover ofTime magazine and of course an extensive,
in depth article about her on theinside as well. I encourage folks to
(00:25):
buy the magazine and read the articleif you feel like it, if you're
interested, if you care about it. I've never put a lot of stock
into the Time magazine person of theYear, the whole thing. But it's
you know, the magazine's a business, it's a media operation, and the
editors and the owners have a rightto decide who they want to put on
(00:46):
their cover at the end of theyear and call their person of the Year.
Sometimes I've agreed, sometimes I haven't. But like I said, I
don't put up a lot of stockinto it. So why am I here
talking about it with you? Here'swhy. I just us into one of
many responses to Taylor Swift being namedthe Person of the Year that I just
(01:08):
find I don't know if it's offensiveor if it's almost comical, and how
out of date. It is.As many of you know, I am
a contributor on the panel over atcenter clip dot com where we do these
little five minute audio op edge andone, you know, one of the
topics this week was Taylor Swift beingon the magazine and I did in originally
(01:33):
post about it because, like Isaid, the Time magazine Person of the
Year thing is you know to me, and maybe I don't know if it's
a generational thing or whatever, butit's just a not a big, a
big moment in my year. Butone of the other contributors on there,
who is you know, identify,says that he's a conservative, as I
also identify as a conservative, andhe's an older I'm just going to say
(01:55):
it straight out. I just saidit to him on my response to his
post, and I'll say it here. Sounds like kind of an angry,
bitter, old white guy talking aboutTaylor Swift as the person Times Person of
the Year. He denigrated her talent, He denigrated the people who spend the
money to go and watch her perform. He told some you know story that
(02:17):
he, I guess thought was reallyimportant for all of us to hear about
why he thought somebody else in thepat why he thought Greta Thunberg should not
have been the Person of the Yearwhen she was. But I just as
I listened to him, frankly,I just like I said, he just
sounded like a bitter, angry,old white guy. And I say that
(02:37):
comfortably because I've confronted so many ofthem in my lifetime, especially since I
entered politics, Republican conservative politics atthe age of forty four. I have
said before, you know, thechauvinism, the sexism that is just in
(02:59):
you know, just an institutional stillin this country in many ways never struck
me and never directly impacted me untilI got involved in Republican politics. And
that's I guess what really kind ofgot me going when I heard Mitch's comments
(03:20):
about Taylor Swift. And here's whatI think that people should know about Taylor
Swift. Whether you like her musicor not, it doesn't matter how old
is Taylor Swift, like thirty yearsold, and she is one of the
most successful business people in our country, not just in music, not just
(03:43):
in media or entertainment, but inthe country. Mitch complained about suburban somebody
or the other. I forget howhe described the people spending money, spending
twenty five hundred dollars on ticket andto take there, you know, spending
this what he perceived to be anoutrageous amount of money to take their young
daughters. And he complained about theinfluence of the music and the message on
(04:08):
society and culture and everything else.Well, here's what you should know about
Taylor Swift, and specifically about herAra's tour. On average, each one
of her shows, not the wholetour, each one of her shows was
an economic boost to each of thecommunities where it took place. On average,
(04:32):
people spent about ninety three million dollarsper show. And yeah, some
of that was on tickets, butit was on merchandise. It was on
travel, it was on hotels,it was on food, it was on
clothing, it was on all sortsof things. And in total, the
(04:54):
Ara's tour by the time it finished, by the time Taylor Swift finished her
tour throughout the United time States,her tour alone provided a positive five point
seven billion dollar boost to the Americaneconomy. Think about that. This woman,
(05:14):
this one young, talented, intelligent, ambitious woman, has created a
product that gave a five point sevenbillion dollar economic boost to our country,
and people want to denigrade her andundermine her and insult her. Why because
(05:36):
you're not that successful, because maybeyou're not as smart as she is,
because you somehow resent anybody accomplishing somethingthat you didn't accomplish. It just infuriates
me. I have reached a pointin my life where people like Mitch and
(05:57):
this entire demographic of you know,old, angry white people who resent anybody
who has something they don't have,or has accomplished something they haven't accomplished.
I'm so over it. I amso done with this. And I've been
old enough and accomplished enough of myown that I no longer feel like I
(06:20):
have to just smile and be niceand go on to get along so that
I can accomplish what I want toaccomplish, or so that people don't try
to limit my opportunities. Be niceto the angry guys, be nice to
the guys who are grabby, whoare you know, who denigrate and demean
(06:40):
other people, who judge you becauseyou're a woman, who you know,
continue, even in this supposedly modernday and age, expect women to sort
of, you know, just sortof subconsciously or silently make sure they have
permission to be successful before they actuallygo out there and do it. I
(07:00):
think that Taylor Swift is one ofthe smartest people in business today, and
I really admire her for that.The other thing that he said that got
me going again. And as manyof you who listen to our show regularly
know, I'm a conservative. Ihave always considered myself a conservative. I've
(07:21):
lead in limited government. I believein individual rights and liberty and freedom.
I believe in a strong national defense, all those core conservative values that actually
lift up I've used to say thisall the time. When I ran for
Congress, this was part of myspeech because I just believe it so deeply
(07:41):
in my heart that are when weexecute or when we implement those types of
core conservative, sincere values, theyhave the ability to lift up everybody in
the community. And I'm always happyto have that conversation with people who disagree
with me, you know, withmy friends who are liberals or who are
progressives. And I do have lotsof friends who are liberals and progressives with
(08:07):
whom I have many deep disagreements.Politically, I guess what we get along
and we can disagree, and wehave so much else in common in the
world, and we all still wantgood things through the country that we can
have these conversations and try to worktogether and find compromise. But the comment,
the other comment that was made inthis post, you know, like
(08:30):
I've said repeatedly already, denigrating TaylorSwift was a criticism I think with all
these suburban families I don't know ifyou said suburban elite or a wealthy suburban
something like that, who went outthere and spent twenty five hundred dollars on
tickets for a concert and then spendthe money to bring their young daughters there
(08:52):
as well, and just really aninsult not just to folks who work card
and earn money, but an insultto the conservative value that when people work
hard and earn their own money,they have the right to spend it anyway
they choose. And again, thisis a guy who thinks that he's a
leading voice in conservatism, and Ithink he's probably a perfectly good guy.
(09:18):
I don't know know him personally,I don't have any reason to believe otherwise.
But the comments are so hypocritical andso damaging, and they undermine the
confidence and the ego of our younggirls who are growing up in this world.
If you can afford to buy aticket and take your eight year old
(09:41):
or twelve year old or fourteen yearold whatever, daughter to a concert,
to a Taylor Swift concert, Godbless you do it. I think Taylor
Swift is a great role model foryoung girls today, for women today.
You know she and you should lookthis up to get the details of it.
I'm not going to be able toarticulate it well. But when she
(10:03):
was early in her career, shesomehow lost control of the rights to her
music by the you know machinations ofsome of these you know, old time
you know, backroom guys who runthe music industry to this date, in
a large part, she was ableto fight back regain the rights to her
(10:26):
talent and her product. What shehad done and has since then built this
extraordinary business operation one woman. Ithink she's thirty now twenty nine something like
that. Look at what she hasaccomplished with great resistance from those within her
own industry over and over and overagain. Do I want, you know
(10:50):
what, I'd like to have mygranddaughter look up to her and see her
as a role model and and youknow, learn from her intelligence and her
ambition. Absolutely, I would,Absolutely, I would. And I don't
know if she is a Democrat orRepublican or anything else, and I don't
particularly care. But she has,you know, taken control of her own
(11:13):
life. She has lived by herown principles and her own values, and
she has been a strong, courageousvoice, not just for herself but for
women everywhere. I think she's fantastic, and again, not just because of
her music, because of her smarts, because of her generosity and her kindness.
(11:37):
Don't forget the stories about how extremelygenerous she has been with her staff,
with the people who are employees her, the truck drivers, the folks
who set up and break down thestage, for all those people who work
in jobs where you will never knowwho they are. They will never make
the kind of money she makes,but her bonuses to them have been in
(12:01):
excess of one hundred thousand dollars perperson. That is extraordinarily generous and kind.
So I'm going to say it again. Do I think she's a great
role model for young girls everywhere?Absolutely? In fact, what I should
have told that guy was, Ithink she's a great role model for him,
(12:24):
and he could learn a lot fromher. Do I care whether Taylor
Swift or somebody else is on thecover of Time Magazine this month? Nope,
I don't do. I think she'searned it if they want to give
it to her, Absolutely, Ido, no question about it. I
think she's awesome. That is whatI have to say about the Time Magazine
(12:48):
Person of the Year, And Ithank you for tuning in. You know,
when we first started this podcast andgave it its title, what have
We All Lost Our Minds? Outof its being mostly just about politics,
but it is becoming more and moreclear to me that there are so many
people in this country who act asif they had lost their minds in every
(13:11):
path of our society and our culture, and it's time we start not just
calling them out, but start standingup for what we know is right,
insane and rational in this world.This is Jennifer Whore you are listening to.
Is it just me? Or havewe all lost our minds?
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