It Would Seem As Though Our Holidays Are Not Traditional

This week we talk about holiday traditions from gift exchanges to holiday movies and family boundaries.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
It was Hi, Hi, Oh my god, how's it going.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, it's going. I mean, you're so far away, can
barely see you, I know, practically in the next room.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
It feels really awkward.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
It does feel weird. So we've been having some trouble
as if you listen, you know, we've been having some
trouble with our sounds. And so I had my friend
who knows computers, although I was schooled about their particular
vocation because I said, you know, because you worked in
computers for one hundred years, to which they said, I

(00:52):
was not in computers. I was a computer architect. So
I oversaw how people were, but I was not actually
working on I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry that you're the
overlord and I don't know anything about.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Anything and we're just little peasants.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
But anyway, one of the things I said was probably
the problem was that our microphones were too close together.
And our room is not soundproof because of course it's
just my dining room because we moved back from Anaka's
house to back over here now that my mother no
longer is here to walk in and out as we're
trying to do this, So we are trying to work
through the sounds. And I talked to my sister Lynda

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the other day, High Linda, we love you, Land, I
love you, And she was saying that some of the
sound was so awful that she couldn't even listen all
the way through.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
So, oh my god, here's I feel that way. I
feel that way when you talk to me too, the
sound is horrible. You're like, oh God, make her shut up?
Why is she still talking? No story of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
There are some people in my life who I do
think that where it's like, hmm, why are you still talking?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I wish you would shut up?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
No, same, I mean, we talk a lot too, but
we're interesting. I don't know what to tell you people,
I don't know. I don't tell you there's something I'm
going to gull as fuck than your golas fucking.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I don't want to hear. Or if you're always negative,
all you can talk to me about is the bad
shit in your life. I don't want to hear.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I mean, if you say, hey, I really need to
vent my life. Is having some issues right now?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Is okay? Sure?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Absolutely? But if that's all you ever.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Do, it's tiring. But also people who talk and talk
and talk and say nothing. You know, they're just saying words.
I'm like, oh my god, no one wants to hear
you talk this much anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, you know whatever, but I want to another week
of it would seem as though it would seem as
though I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Hoping it all works out this week the podcast where.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
We talk about anything, everything and nothing, mostly nothing, And
this week will be no exception. We will probably still
talk about mostly nothing. Yeah, you know, I mean, why
would we talk about anything else?

Speaker 1 (02:46):
I know, well, I don't the world lots is happening,
but I've kind of been.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Kind of drowning in it.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, I've kind of been sequestered away, you know, just
like he la la la, I can't hear you.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
So I'm going to tell you something that has nothing
to do with anything. It just was a little interesting
tidbit this morning. So I was looking for my envelope
of photographs because I had this big thing of family
photographs going back for you know, about one hundred years.
And I do mean that literally, not my.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Normal exaggeration exaggeration.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
But I didn't find it. But what I did find
was my program for when I saw the color purple
in New York and I grabbed it up and I
just thought, I want to look at this and see
if any of the people that were in it when
I saw it went on to do more fame and
fortune and whatever, because I know that at one point
Cynthia Rivo was miss Sely and I knew that I

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didn't see her in it.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, that'd be incredible.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
When I saw it, it was supposed to be Fantasia Burno,
but she was a no show that night. Boo or well.
And the funny thing about that, now, I'm from Portland,
lived in Oregon hall life. When you go to the theater,
if they say tonight, the part of Missili will not
be played by you know whoever you're expecting, it will

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be played by the understudy. What you hear in the
audience is grumble, grumble, grumble. What we heard in the
audience that night was booing. And then half the theater
got up and left demanded their money back.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Crazy right, And so, being a theater.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Girly, all I could think was, oh my god, that
poor understudy I know's hearing everybody boom.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
On one hand, I got it if you went there
to see specifically Fantasia do this role. And then she
didn't do this role and she was supposed to, and
you don't really you know, you wanted to. Even booing
feels crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
If you went specifically because you were a Fantasia Burno stead,
then okay, cool. But what's funny is that when I
booked these tickets months before, I thought, for some reason,
it popped in my head she won't be there. She
wasn't there, and she wasn't there, and so it didn't matter.
And the understudy was phenomenal. Should have won Tony, she

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was amazing. But I opened up my low program when
I got upstairs, and I'm looking, going, I do not
know any of these people. Never heard get almost to
the very last name in the and it was Toddrick Hall.
Really so I saw Toddrick Hall on Broadway's I didn't
even know it.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I know he was in a lesser role. He was
like chorus an understudy two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, damn, yeah, that was a long ass I think so, yeah,
it was either but I think it was two thousand
and seven. Yeah, but that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, And if you don't know who toddra Hall is,
look him up. On the YouTube's because he's got a
bajillion YouTube things, and he also has some pretty amazing
music out. Anyway, and we saw he's the first concert
I took my kids to.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Right, you know, Well, now Grace wants to go see
Cardi B. So big step up.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
All right, So my husband, who is a light rail operator,
one of the places.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Where that's the train.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, but you know, if I don't say it right,
it sounds like, you know, he's a train engineer and
he's not he. I know, it's one of those things
that I don't care about the difference. But it's not me.
It's not my job. It's whatever. Anyhow, one of the
places we go by is the Modu Center, which is
our big like concert venue, and every time we go

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by it, Grace is looking here like, oh, who's gonna
be here? Who's gonna be here? And she's all excited
because they have a big, a very large reader board
with all the pictures and things of who's coming.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Well, the other day she saw that Cardi B was coming.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
And her question to me was if I go see
Cardi B.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Am.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
I then old enough to hear the song wop and
I was like, it's not that you're not old enough
to hear it. You can hear it. I don't want
to hear it with you, Yeah, I don't. I don't
want to be in the room when you're listening to
something about a wet ass pussy. Yeah, you know, it's
just it's it's just not a comfort zone for me.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I mean, clearly you're almost that. You'll be seventeen in
a couple of minutes here.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
You know what I find so funny though, is when
I was a teenager, we were listening to all your
ladies pop yo pussy like this, don't stop, don't quit.
We were listening to my neck, my back, was it.
I don't know why it wasn't it wasn't different. It
was I was a teenager and we were listening to
a song about getting kind of lingis but like maybe
it's just grace.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Maybe maybe I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Because Parker two, I don't want to watch things that
are overtly sexual with them at all. Oh gross me. Well.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
The other thing is this is the girl who practically
dropped out of school because they made her take six
in and she was like, it's so embarrassing, I can't go,
don't make me go sign the papers as I don't
have no. No, you need to learn as much as
they can teach you, which I mean, I can teach
you some stuff, but they're going to teach you like
more kind of more important aspects of it whatever. Like

(08:00):
this girl who can't even say some She can't even
say the word vagina without being a turning red and
freaking out and she won't say it or any other
body part that has anything to do with the reproductive systems.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
So funny, it's like.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Nope, won't say it.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I hate it, okay. I had one of my favorite
stories about Grace. It's when Grace and Parker were really
really little, like both under the age of four or something,
because they were bathing right and I remember there were
time to get out and they're being dried off by
Papa and the doors open so I can hear them,
and Grace starts crying and Papa's like, what's wrong, and

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she was like, I don't have a penis and he
was like okay, and she's like I want a penis
like brother, hass, which I thought was the funniest fucking thing.
I was like, what did she just say she wants
to have a penis.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
This is the same girl who got really mad that
brother could pee off the porch. Yeah. When we had
a deck out back, he would go stand on the
edge of the deck and pee into the yard.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's like who cares?

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, and she tons of little boys joke like tons
of little boys too, And she was like, well, I
want to do that, And I'm all, okay, Yeah, I
got luck. And I was like, I don't think it'll
be successful for you, but you'll probably peeing on your
feet yeah, and then gross. But I was like, if
you want to, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, go off.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
The boy said, but let's strip you from the waist
down so you don't pee on your clothes.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
That girl somehow peed a stream that shot out in
front of her and did not pee on her feet.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
And I was like, hit the neighbors in the back.
It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah. Yeah. What's also funny is my fifteen year old
son still peas in the yard.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
He does.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, if we come home and he has to pee,
he doesn't wait for me to unlock the door. He'll
just run over to the side yard and pee.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Now I think he thinks that nobody can see him.
Oh right, we have neighbors all around us, and we
are not like completely sheltered for.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
You, nobody. I would say, if he peed between I
mean like the cathouse and all the BlackBerry bushes, that
would be like the most most secluded. But I'm like,
I hope he's not paying in this backyard where I
could look out my window and see him wizzen.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Again, it was different when he was little, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
But I guess speaking of looking at your house from here,
because literally her house is what thirty feet maybe.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Maybe I think it's a little longer than that. I
think my house is like maximum, like thirty five or forty.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Away from here?

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Oh away from here, yes, no thirty feet feet.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
And so obviously when we, you know, talk about the
commute from my house to her house.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
It takes five seconds. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
One day when before my mom moved, because we were
sitting at the table and she goes, oh, oh, is
that Anika in the window over there? What is she doing?
And it's like the shades are pulled all the way
down and it's just a black window, and I'm all,
what are you seeing?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah? What do you need to tell me? What you
see a square black blob apparently, Oh you know, I
think called.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Well, but I'm just looking, and I looked, and I'm like,
there's nary.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
A light on in the house, you know, or all
of my curtains.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Are pulled and all the curtains are pulled.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, because my curtains are also blackout curtains, So like, yeah,
there's you're not gonna see shit. But it was funny
to me too. My cat, as you know, my big baby,
she does she goes outside during like spring summer with
us in our yard, you know, fifteen minutes and then
we bring her back inside. But she doesn't go outside
in the winter and fall ever. Right, But all the time,
my grandma would be like, oh, I saw your cat

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outside on the fence today. No you didn't, Like you didn't.
You may have seen something, but it wasn't like, oh,
that big, beautiful black cat and on on the fence.
I'm like, I think you're confused. She sits in the window, right,
but not the fence. She couldn't fit on top of
a fence, girl, she would fall off. She would just
still over. Yeah, unless she just balanced her little chub

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on both sides. But there's no way. Maybe I've seen
her lay on the back of couches where she's just
spilling over.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
So here's a little bit of interesting information. Maybe today
is our two hundredth show.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, so we've been doing this for about two hundred weeks.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's a lot, and I mean we have time.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
We have missed a handful three literally a hand We
missed one and all of no.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Two of them have been because Anako was sick, and
one of them was because we were in Disneyland and we.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Just forgot I know. And I sometimes thinking about how
long are we going to do this until we die?
M probably not, probably not, probably right before you die, right,
and then we'll cut the table and I'll be like,
cut it, cut it. I'm the Mary, and that'll be
her last words and then death.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
That would be funny. And so we've been gone for
a few minutes because crucial life events, it's more happening.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I remembered that pre show.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Pre sale show tickets went on sale for the Tricksie
and Katia Bald and Beautiful.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Tour, Very bond and Beautiful.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I've never gotten to see their tour. I've seen Tricksie
I love Trixie Mattel. I've seen her a couple of times,
and the last time they toured I totally missed out. Yeah,
and when I went to get tickets, they're like, sorry
about it. If you'd like to buy some from scalpers
for about forty bizillion dollars, you can And I was like.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Look the hen oh good, exactly what I wanted today.
I love these queens, but not that much.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
No. Plus, then that extra money doesn't go to them anyway,
it goes to some horrible scalper.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Horrible scalper. You know, scalping used to be illegal. How
is it legal again? Is it legal?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well?

Speaker 1 (13:50):
People do? They don't the only game by stopping it.
I don't know, I know, I think priority maybe, yeah,
I do you think that's the priority?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Well, the government right now seems to think that harassing
trans people is a priority. And again, one percent of
the population.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Now they're gonna overthrow a very huge part of the
population right now is right now hungry, Oh right, A
very huge part of the population is losing their farms.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, you know, but trans people are the problem. Yeah,
the one percent, the one percent, it's the wrong one
it's the wrong one percent that we're focusing on. The
one percent at the top.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
The billionaires are the ones we need to be focusing
on because they're the ones who were causing the problems. Yeah, hey,
look I would be less I would have less of
an issue if they were having billionaires in the world.
If we had free housing and free education and free
health care, and you know what I mean, we didn't
have to like struggle to survive and you could still
be a billionaire. Okay, yeah, then what's the fucking problem?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
You know what I mean? Why can't everyone just live
have the same bare needs met, the minimum needs met, housing, food, education?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
That is called socialism. Well, but that's the thing, and that's.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
People think that that's some kind of bad word, and
so because it's one of the buzzwords, right, it's one
of the buzzwords that they're like, oh, socialism, that's you know,
or that's communism, or that's because people don't know there
isms apart. No, no, and people don't know what socialism means.
Socialism is a system put in place to make sure
that no one goes hungry. But it also is that

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there aren't people who are.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
So that the gap isn't so right, Well, and everyone's
basic things are met right. They get to go to
college for free, They can live in a house for
very little. They can you know, healthcare is free. But
the I think the main one of the biggest tenants
that I think will get to the rich eventually about
socialism is that socialism doesn't say that there can't be billionaires.

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Socialism says that there can't be anyone in poverty. That's it.
You can be a millionaire. You can be a billionaire
as long as nobody else is in poverty, as long
as nobody else is struggling.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Socialism is an economic and political system advocating collective government
ownership of the means of production, like factories, resources, to
distribute wealth more equally, reduce class divides, and prioritize social
welfare over private profit, differing from capitalism's private ownership and
free markets, and existing in various forms from democratic socialism

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to state control.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Democratic socialism is better, that's what zoron Momdanni is. But
capitalism is ruining the planet because capitalism has to have
commodities to sell, it has to have resources to work
off of. But there are things in our world that
are limited resources. Fossil fuels are a limited resource, using it,

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cutting down the trees, polluting the water, like all of
this is because of capitalism, because you need to keep
pushing out a profit and you need to use resources
for that. That's all this thing as socialism, and it's
definitely not the same thing as communism. Communism says everyone
gets the same shit equally, all everything is equal, right.
Socialism says there could be difference, but nobody gets to struggle,

(17:11):
like nobody gets to be fucking like dying because they
don't or houseless because they don't have money to pay
their doctor bill.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Like. So, the three core principles of socialism are social ownership,
which key industries and resources are owned or managed by
the community.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, which, again let's say that workers not private individual
But let's say that that means public entities are owned
by the public opposed to being privately owned by like
a Jeff Bezos or whatever his name is, who has
X what is his name, Elon Musk, it's because they
own a fuck ton. And instead, let's say, and it's

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not all things. You can still have your little stores
and you can still have your own businesses, but it's
like education, hospitals, water supply, food like that is socialized,
meaning it's for everybody. Right.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
So core principle number two equality and welfare, aims for
the greater economic equality, strong social safety nets, healthcare and education,
and meeting basic human needs. And the third is collective
good focus is on production for use and community benefit
rather than solely for profit. Yes, so I would love
for someone to read that and think of these people

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who are like socialism, he's a socialist, blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
But read that and tell me what's wrong with that. Also,
that's what people want. You understand that a Muslim man
in New York won the mayoral race.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
And people are losing their fucking mind.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Well, they're losing their minds on one hand because oh god,
the brown Muslim mind is gonna booh, and he's a socialist.
And then the other half are all thought, yeah, this
is what we voted for because he's a democratic socialist. Yes,
I wish he was just a socialist, but you can't
be just one individual, cannot be a socialist and a
capitalist society. Socialism has to be the system, right, So

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you can have those beliefs. But living in America and
living in the world as it is now, we all contribute. Right,
Let's talk about the good place for a second, the
show where like that's the No one's going to the
good place. Because we're so interconnected that drinking a coffee
does humanitarian have involves the humanitarian issues? Or writing on paper?

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How many trees had to be Like, so everything you do,
we're so interconnected that no matter how innocent you think
the activity is that you're participating, it has been funded
or the supplies you're using have directly caused harm. So
because if you.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Think about even things that we all do, like using
a cell phone, Yeah, those cell phones were probably made,
you know, by child labor people, or even if it's
not child labor, is labor where they're being paid minimal penneys. Yeah,
you know you mentioned democratic socialism, So I'm gonna tell
you the definition of that is it combines democracy with

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social ownership, often within existing capitalist structures, you know, supporting
robust welfare states and worker rights.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
So that would be what America would turn into if
we gave it at all a chance, If we wouldn't
become socialists, we would not become a fully socialist nation.
We would be a socialist democracy or democratic socialism, because
that is mixing the two. It's keeping the democracy and
steering clear of capitalism. So it's keeping how we run

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the government with you know, people who represent states or
people who represent districts and having that. But it's not
the privatizing everything, because if you privatize something, that means
one person, one company, whatever, has control of that. If
one person has control of let's say water, they can

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then decide who gets water. So it's not a good
idea to keep everything privatized. Again, small businesses, your local
coffee shop, your hair salon, your you know, little boutique,
they'll be fine because that's not what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Well, right, but if you are trying to sell the
notion that it's bad and then it's evil, you of
course change.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
The facts and you interpret them differently.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
You interpret them differently so that it sounds bad, so
that it is those catchphrases that make people nervous or yeah,
unhappy or whatever.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Oh you'll never own anything ever again.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, right, Well, the government is going to take over.
Well that's the whole point. Yes, it's the government isn't
running your life.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, And if we had a government that was a
decent governing body opposed to biased, corrupt politicians getting paid
for motives, it wouldn't be so severe.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Well, if all the politicians you know, weren't owned by someone,
if they were not all these special interest groups, it
would make a huge difference.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well, and that's why I think it's important if you
win voting, is to see where people get the money
to a campaign. If they're getting it from big packs,
big corporations or big organizations that are donating good jillions
of dollars for them to run, that's more of a problem.
I would go and talk to like an AOC or
a Zora mom Donnie and be like, how do you
Because they went door to door, they campaign in the streets,

(22:15):
a lot of GIRs, grassroots. They took individual donations me
and you. I don't know how much corporate donation they took,
but I don't know if it was a lot compared
to you know, pick any fucker on the Republican side.
They're all bought by everybody, right.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Well, they're bought often by the Kohen brothers, yes, and
all these other agencies where it's like we're billions of
dollars and it's in our best interest to buy these politicians, yea,
to make sure that our interests are served. We do
not care so much about, you know, the little folk,
because all we care about is making sure that our billions,

(22:52):
you know, keep growing.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yep. Well, you know, let's talk about seventeenth century France.
They also didn't care about the little folk. And look
what happened. What happened, you know, some people got their
heads cut off. And so I'm going to say, you
keep trying to snatch people's neighbors from streets and taking
kids from schools and separating families Ice, you're already hated.
At some point, there will be a straw that's going

(23:13):
to break the camel's back.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Oh my god. So I don't know if you've seen this,
but there's a church and I did you see it
where they have an out front and there's a big
giant sign that says Ice was here. And so the
Nativity scene so it gnimals, yeah, and an empty manger
in Jesus Mary or Mary and Joseph are missing as well,

(23:37):
right well, and the three wi okay, I didn't notice that.
So it's like, really the only it's the animals and
the angels and angels and empty manger whatever, and ICE
has been trying to get them to take it down.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, the dioceses also told the church to take it
down and they refused, so it's still up.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I love it, love that because really everybody in that
Nativity scene would be brown and snap autumn autically be
suspect to.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
You know, so I love that same. I know it's crazy.
I also just love watching people ICE agents get denied entry,
get denied, like places won't make them food. You know,
they try to go to restaurants and they're like, no,
eat somewhere else. I love it. We don't want you
to starve to death, you fucking Nazis. Sorry about it?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, look, I'm sorry, but if you were so, if
you thought you were doing the right thing, you would
not be walking around with your face completely covered.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
And the fact that their faces are still covered, you
pussy mouth motherfucker. Show me your face, you know what
I mean? You scared a little bitch.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Well, it's not safe for them to show their face.
That's because they're doing criminal activity.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, it's because the criminal bit. Yes, you know you're
working for a dark overlord named Christy Hoe. I can't
stand that bitch. She's so disgusting. She is They all are.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
They're all yeah, vile, they're gross, you know, they're gross,
literally stugas. So we are now in our full on
in the holiday season. We're two weeks from Christmas, and
I don't know about everyone. Of course, we were talking
earlier about Christmas traditions and how people do different things,

(25:14):
how people different families do different things, and that our way,
of course, is the only right way, and everybody else
is wrong.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
It just feels weird to do other people's traditions. Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's always interesting when you see when you get to
see someone else's holiday traditions and you think, oh, that's different,
or that feels odd or foreign or whatever. But it's
it's cool because we get to learn how other families.
And I have a an acquaintance who if things are

(25:43):
not done the way they were done in her family,
I hate they're wrong. They're so and I think that's
so bizarre. But it's like, well, this is how this
should be done, well, this is how this should be
done in order to do it in the way that
you've always done it, that is correct, But other people
don't need to follow your traditions. No, other people don't

(26:04):
need to follow your norms because social norms have become
so you know, varied. Yeah, especially now with kind of
the acceptance of the fact that everybody has different lifestyles,
everybody has different brain you know, it's like the way
your brains are developed. Because maybe that huge family gathering

(26:27):
is overwhelming for some people, or you know, that huge
family gathering is a bunch of people you don't want.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
To talk to, agreed, you know. So yeah, I know that.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
So we grew up and I say we because we
had the same experience, even though Anaka is considerably younger
than me. I mean, I was twenty seven when I
was twenty six when she was born. Yeah, just a
boot to turn twenty seven. Just a baby, just a baby,
because now I'm really old anyway. But the tradition was
we would get together at my mother's teeny tiny, little

(26:58):
thousand square foot and picture if you will. So I
am one of six. You know, I grew up with
five siblings. I have more, but.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I didn't get to grow up. But from Grandma. You
have the ones my mother birthed.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
There are six of us, and then everybody had a
spouse or a boyfriend or a girlfriend or somebody. And
everybody except me at the time had children, because when
everybody's getting together, everybody had children but me and some
people had grandchildren. So all of these.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
People, these hundreds and sometimes just randos like friends and
family would pour into this house, squeeze into this house
with a shoehorn and some christy. It used to be
that everybody bought gifts for everybody, and it was just horrible,
which was like, well, I can go to the dollar
Tree maybe get you something for a because a lot

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of people I don't remember buying gifts for everybody. That
was before there were.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
So many people. And then some genius me said let's
just draw names.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
And there was an adult bawl and a kid ball.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Right, and so everybody has to Yeah, everybody has to
get one gift.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, you know, I mean if you have three kids
and you wanted your three, you obviously had to buy
for each other.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well their gift draw everybody, yes, and like everyone had
their own individual Christmases at their house, right, and we
would either do Christmas the Sunday before the Sunday after
usually that's how it went for us. But continue, right,
but then we did the you know, everybody draws a name,
serverbod buys one present. But it was still overwhelming because

(28:38):
then everybody also we opened all the presents water at
a time, so everybody could see the other people what
they got, which is not my favorite way.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Even though that was the tradition that Annaka grew up with,
it always made her deeply uncomfortable. Always, yeah, because there
is that whole anxiety of one, what if I hate
this guy?

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Am I going to be able to keep my face neutral?
By the way, neither one of us have neutral faces. Well,
but and that's the thing. As a youth, I was
given things that were not and like no effort was
put in. It was like we went and bought three
boxes of dominoes and gave each of you a box
of dominoes. What's the problem? You know? And it would
be like I asked for this specific thing and they
got me the Jineier maybe knockoff version, and like ask.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
For a Barbie and they got me that one dollar
doll that falls apart as soon as you take around.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, Or like I asked for a Harry Potter book
and they bought me a lemony snicket.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
You know the it's a book, what's a problem.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
I know it was the same number, right, but so
I and I had to be like, oh my god,
thank you because my biological father and my stepmother were
crazy and awful, and so I had to pretend right.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
So that way, she is part of the reason why
I started doing the when you put your name in
for the draw, write three things on the back of
your little piece of paper that you actually want for Christmas,
because that bitch would get shit. And I I hate
to sound ungrateful, but I am one of those people
is like, I'm not going to be grateful for you

(30:04):
walking into buy Maart and grabbing something off the shelf
and no, this will do. Here's a lighter, because I've
always been the way that I think about things, and
I'm like, I put far into it, and I think
it should be the same.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Or don't buy me again, or don't buy me again.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Because I don't want your random perfume, you know, basket
of shit that I would never wear. No, that was
ten bucks, which I would get from Like if she
drew my name, I knew I was gonna get garbage.
I know, right, and so anyway, but I interrupted you.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
No, I think I think that was it thought for me,
like it did make me. Certain traditions give me anxiety.
Opening presence one by one is a very nerve wracking thing.
I love sitting together and opening presents, but like last
year I was at Gavin's family's house for Christmas. I
think it was last year, two years ago, I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
It was a year that wasn't this year.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, we opened presence, but it wasn't like it wasn't
like okay, Keenan you go, and then Drew you go.
It was like, okay, open your present from dad, and
we all open the present from their dad, open the
present from Gavin, and everyone just opened their presence and
it wasn't like a we would all look at it after.
But I was all, oh, you know what I mean,

(31:16):
like sweat off my brabbage because that give me anxiety.
But I'm really good at pretending like I like a thing,
specifically if it's people who don't know me, and I
have more leniency with it, right because I'm like, you
don't know me at all, which is fine, but I
like other people's traditions. I don't have that weird issue
of being like this is how it was in my house,

(31:38):
because I feel like my youth was so chaotic that
I was just stoked that it was fucking Christmas and
we got to decorate, you know what I mean. I
don't really care if people are doing things differently. Like
I when I lived in La I had a friend
who is Hispanic, and they would do like the night
of Christmas Eve was when they open all their presence

(31:58):
and they stay up super late. But I at first
I was.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Like, what is happening?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Why are you touching that? That's tomorrow's morning. They were like, no, tonight.
Who brings your presents? Jesus? I don't know, but it's
not Boddy.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah. I Uh. When I was a kid, we often
got to open one present on Christmas. Yeah, that was
kind of our family tradition. We open one thing, one
small thing, and then open our presence Christmas morning. And
I'm gonna tell you my mother was a bit of
a pain in the ass about this, Like so if

(32:34):
Christmas fell on a Sunday, we had to do it
after church. So everybody else in church has already opened
all their presents, they've done their thing, they've had.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
I guess it gives you something to look forward to me,
I guess. But then we're like, it's noon.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
We still haven't opened our presence because most of the time,
you know, people open them in the morning. Yeah, just often,
and we the only thing we could open without the
whole family being together was our stocking. Yeah, you know
and whatever. But yeah, that was a I'm like, come on.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I will say a couple of things. It would piss
me off too, to be like we have to go
to church and instead of opening presents. But I will
say that I do have this melancholic feeling when all
the presents are opened and we're done. So I'm like,
the further you put it off means the more Christmas parent,
the further you are from that. Yeah, you know, this
is the Gavin I have been together. Wait, this will

(33:27):
be our fourth Christmas together, because your first Christmas together,
you've known each other five minutes. Yeah, but this is
the first year that I've filled his stocking with goodies,
which I've never done before. But I've always given him presents,
but we and we have stockings, but it's mostly just
a core. But I filled it this year with goodies
and I said, don't you look in it? Santo will

(33:50):
be will be mad at you, I know.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
I know.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Sweet. We're having Gaviner having Christmas the day before Christmas Eve?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Okay, right, he's leaving Christmas. He would go spend time
with his family.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, and I'm not because he doesn't love me. No,
just kidding.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Someone has Christmas is on Thursday, and so he is
leaving on Tuesday. No, he's leaving on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Because you said he's leaving, he's leaving on Christmas. So
he'll be gone Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, come home Friday. Yeah,
he leaves Wednesday, come home. So he's only gone really
for forty eight hours. But so I'm having my Christmas,
I know, and then whatever we're doing Christmas Eve because
I'll be by myself and then Christmas and then Grace's birthday, right.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
So it all kind of runs. It's all one on
talk because my daughter's birthday is the day after Christmas.
And then it's an unfortunate birthday.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I know.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I remember one time when she was little, she came
and woke me up and said, why are there still
Christmas decorations up? It's my birthday? Okay, well because Christmas
just ended a few hours ago. Yeah, and you know,
I don't usually undecorate no right away.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I like to leave it up. I like to look
at it.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Now. This is a weird year because I haven't done anything.
My tree is up, but there's nara decoration. Why that's
just haven't gotten around to me. You have so many
decorations I do, even though a couple of years ago
I got rid of I don't know, three four boxes
of christmasts had too much because over my seven hundred
years of life, I've accumulated a lot, a lot, you know,

(35:22):
and it's like, okay, it's time to pair this down.
And I also have things like I have a friend
who was like, oh, you collect Santa clauses. I'm clearing
out my thing. Let me give you all of my
Santa clauses, which sounds great. Yeah, but they were not
all like just little ornaments or something. Some of them
were like full the size of bowling pin for reference,

(35:47):
Santa clauses that you put like on your mantle or whatever.
Some of them were these hand carved things from like
that where it looks like that chainsaw carving. Yeah, yeah,
you know where it's kind of rough, yeah, whatever, but
they all look like they they were Scandinavians. So they
all were kind of it looked more like a troll. Oh,
like Santa Claus and them all. We're marry with all

(36:07):
these but I have like dozens of those things, and
I was like, that's too much.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
You're gonna give them all away for Christmas. Here you are,
Merry Christmas, here're saying. And so yeah, but so I
haven't put up my ornaments yet, which I need to do.
But usually my tree doesn't come down until oh who
knows when. Yeah, like one year it was up all year. Yes, literally,
it was up the entire year. Yeah. Well last year,

(36:31):
I mine was up for a long time and then
I took everything down and Gavin came home and he
was like, what happened. I said, well, I love the holidays,
and so when I get to the holidays and things
are already set up, that feels wrong. I need to
be able to because then I'm like, oh, boost my serotonin.
Look how beautiful this shit is. Yeah, that's me. But
my house is pretty decorated currently, but it will stay

(36:52):
up until probably at the beginning of probably the very
end of February. Yeah, yeah, because that's the winter, bitch,
it's winter. We have to bring lights in from and
put a tree in our house. My tree is also
not that tall. My trees have me four feet tall
and it sits on a thing, so it's like, right,
you know, this is the tallest tree I've had that's
an artificial tree.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
And will I do artificial trees for so many reasons,
but the biggest one really is that I am terrible
about getting it down in a reasonable amount of time
so that you can do because they have those things
where it's like the boy Scouts.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Will take away your tree for like ten bucks or whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Sure I never am done in time. Yeah, so I
always missed that mark. And then it's like, now, what
what am I going to do with this tree?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I kind of want to get a living tree, so
one that's like potted and you move it outside and
then bring it in. I love that because it'll just
keep naturally growing. I love that. And then one it's
big enough, I can just leave it outside. But because
I do love the smell of trees. My whole life
growing up, I didn't have a fake tree, and tall

(37:54):
I was well into my adult life. We always got
real trees, always, always, always, Even when I lived in
La I went to the Target parking lot right because
they were like tree farm. I'm like, this is Los Angeles,
where'd you get these?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
But I would buy one shipped in from elsewhere?

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yeah, honestly, but yeah, I just love the holidays. I
don't care how you choose to celebrate it. As long
as it's like festive and fun and pretty and there's lights,
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah. My thing is as long as you're not telling
other people what they should say or what they should do.
Because if somebody wishes you marry Christmas and you don't
celebrate Christmas, just say thank you, thanks and move on.
I mean, honestly, I t used to work with this
woman who would actively get offended and it's like, somebody's

(38:43):
wishing you something nice. Granted it's not something you do.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
It's just like, how dare you?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
And instead of just being like, oh thanks or whatever,
she would actually then feel the need to educate them
on why their greeting is inappropriate. It's not. It's just
I don't care if you do not celebrate Christmas or
Hanukkah or Kwanza or whatever. If someone's let's like saying

(39:09):
have a nice day and you're.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Like, no, no, you not what you meant was a
great night, not a nice day, right, And it's like
the same thing. It's semantics. Well, it's like if you
go to Hawaii, people are gonna say aloha to you,
and that's not normally how you say hello or goodbye.
You're not gonna yell to them. They need to knock
it off, right, You're not gonna yell with them saying no,
Like if someone is just saying Merry Christmas, happy holidays,

(39:31):
have a great what winter?

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Like?

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Well, in the other case, if people say to you
happy holidays, say you as well, you as well, or
just thank.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
You, yeah, whatever, because then they have the people who goes, no,
it's merry Christmas. Okay, then, but you're not gonna make
it merry Christmas by being a cranky old.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Bay And do you think this county attitude has made
it a merry Christmas?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Weird Again, someone's just wishing you a nice thing, you know,
I don't wish you anything. I hope you burn and
hell you fat cow wow. That would be meaning.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
One of my fri And then it's related but not.
Her first year of college right off the bat, she
was in in her dorm at some like down in
the common room with all the peeps, and some guy
sneezed and she said bless you, and he was like,
I'm an atheist. I don't believe in that, blah blah blah.

(40:20):
And so the next time they see she was like,
nothing happens when you die.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
So I love that.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
But it's like someone if someone says bless you, they
don't say God bless you, and even if they did,
who cares?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Listen. Also, people who are like Pagans used to say
shit like blessed be, so what the fuck are you
talking about?

Speaker 2 (40:38):
In fact, I had a client who when I would
say Merry Christmas, she's like, it's blessed be for you?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Okay, but also got it? Who fucking cares?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Like?

Speaker 1 (40:49):
It's just I just don't say anything. Then don't say
anything to anybody. No one talked to each other.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I have a horrible Holidays, say we hate you.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I Astra doesn't say bless you because she's like, it's
just like, no one does it.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
You know?

Speaker 1 (41:04):
If I burp or fart, like, no one's like bless you.
It's like why And so for a long time I
didn't say it. But Gavin saysn't it, And so now
I say, oh, bless you, God, bless you.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
And I do it automatically just because it's how I
was raised and.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
I and I don't.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I think it is funny that it's just this thing
comes out your face and it's like it wasn't a cough,
so you don't say anything for a cough.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Or you don't Oh, it's just a sneeze. And yeah,
I just.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Think that's funny. And I know that in the olden
days when this all started, has something to do with
spirits and things entering or leaving your body or some
such crap whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, people some info I do. So
people say bless you after you sneeze due to ancient
superstitions that you said that the soul might escape or
evil spirits could enter during the sneeze, with the blessing
acting as protection. There's another theory there that links Pope
Gregory the first plea for divine help during the bubonic
place when sneezing was an early symptom, making it prayer

(42:03):
for health, which makes sense. That does Yeah, do you
want to think something I learned in Europe, like Western Europe,
so England and ship where the bubonic plague, I mean
it went to Italy and fucked up all of Europe? Right,
But they thought cats were like servants of the devil. No,

(42:24):
but like they were like, oh the devil every time
they suck. But so they would like kill cats or
run them out. But then what happens? Rats rats move in,
But they hate the cats and not the rats. So
if they had left the cats alone, the bubonic plage
probably wouldn't have gone far as it did. Isn't that crazy?
That is crazy? Yeah? Yeah, So if.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Cats weren't the devil mm hmm, the rats wouldn't have
snuck in and made every die.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah so really, so who did you really help running out?
What is it like the enemy you know versus the
enemy you don't. But it's like.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
When I was a kid, the commonality with cats who
you never wanted to have him around your baby because
they would smother breath.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Oh yeah, I always thought as a kid it was
like they were gonna smother it or something.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Well, and that was another thing too, It was like
a cat's not going to do that, No, what are
you talking about? They're gonna probably lay next to them
and be warming, but they're not gonna lay on their face.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, honestly, although growing up.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
We did have a cat that liked to lay on
your face, but not on your mouth. Yeah, you would
lay like you could still like an imass.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I love it, like you know, he.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Just wanted to be close.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah. Sometimes sometimes, because I was raised with so many animals,
sometimes I miss waking up and having like a dozen
cats in bed with me. You know. Oh hat it's
you and you and you and you, you know, because
it's sweet and it makes me feel like a real
Disney princess.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
You know. On my nights where Tea works late, I
sleep with two dogs, and which is fine if they
stay where I put them. Oh, they don't do it
because my dog, if I get up to go to
the bathroom, he moves right back. I can't lay down
if you're in my spot. And he's seventy pounds a dog,
so it's not you know, and he's my little dog,

(44:09):
a little, tiny.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Precious angel of a dog who is rotten.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
To the court.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah. I was going to say, sure, precious angecious angel.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Well he's awful, but I love him.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
That's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Someone's got to hey, listen, I have speaking of holiday things,
I have a little reddit, you know, kind of Am
I the asshole holiday thing? I want to read love
just for the fun?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:32):
So, and I preread this a little bit. I didn't
pre read the whole thing, sure, just because I liked
the way it sounded, because I'm all so, am I
the asshole for canceling a family holiday at my house
after my dad said he was bringing his new partner
and we all had to accept it instantly? No, so
nobody's met the partner.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Who's your partner? That would be my question.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I twenty eight female, offered host big family holiday this
year for the first time. Usually it's at my parents' place,
but my mom moved out last year when my parents separated,
and the house is smaller. Now I have a decent
sized apartment, a dog, and actually like cooking, so I
thought it'd be nice to have everyone over and take
some emotional load off my mom. When I first floated

(45:19):
the idea in the family group chat, everyone sounded excited,
including my dad.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
The only thing.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I asked was we keep it relatively small because I
do not have unlimited chairs or dishes, and I get
overwhelmed easily with a ton of people crammed into my
living space. So the plan was Dad, my siblings, their
partners and kids, and my grandma. We set the date,
shared menu ideas. I started buying decorations and making lists

(45:48):
like a nerd. Why is that a nerd making list
is makeless sense? That's what I did for context. My
parents' separation is still pretty fresh. They split officially ten
months ago, after a long ten months ago, after a
long time of my dad having friendships that were obviously
more than that, Mom finally had enough and moved into

(46:10):
a condo. Dad has been hinting that he's seeing someone,
but refused to give any details.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Because when you said Mom moved into a condo, all
I heard was con and I was like a convent
she moved into.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
She became a nun because she had it with men
except for Jesus, except married to Jesus. He's now married
to Jesus. He hasn't given any details because he said
it was too soon for us to meet her and
that he wanted to respect his privates. Wanted us to
respect his privacy, fine his life. I was honestly relieved

(46:41):
to have a calm holiday where everybody could focus on
food and kids instead of divorce drama.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Then, about two weeks before the holiday, Dad calls me
and basically announces, not asks, that he will be bringing
his new partner, Lena. He adds that he expects everyone
to be welcoming and that he does not want any
attitude or sulking kids.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I said, I was surprised because he.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Had made a big deal about privacy, and also that
mom would be there and it might be a lot
for her to sit in my tiny living room with
his new girlfriend like nothing happened. He cuts me off
and says that he's tired of walking on eggshells around us,
that he deserves happiness, and if my mom chooses to
feel awkward, that that's her problem.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
You're not coming, Dad.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Then he says something like, if you were hosting, you
host all of me, including my partner. If you cannot
do that, I will remember it.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Then don't calm you fucking loser. That's what you know.
It's like you don't have to come, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I get you want to bring your girlfriend around. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Christmas is not the moment.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
No, it's not the moment, and especially like your ex
wife is there, and she's only been your ex for
a hot minute.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
And you're still married technically, Like he didn't say the
doors separate.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
So I told him I was not comfortable being the
stage for his grand reveal, especially when he refused to
even have a real conversation first. I suggested he either
talked to Mom and my siblings first, or we keep
this holiday as just immediate family and he introduces Lena
another time.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Pick a different holiday.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Absolutely, he doubled down and said I was being controlling
and disrespectful and repeated that he was bringing her and
we all needed to accept it instantly.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
No my house, my rules, bitch, exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
No compromise. After that call, I sat there just shaking.
I kept imagining my mom trying to make small talk
with Dad while Dad acts like a teenager with his
new crush. The more I thought about, the more I
felt like I was being forced into choosing a side,
or pretending years of hurt never happened inside my own
home that I was supposed to feel safe in. So

(48:48):
the next day, I texted the family chat and said
that I was canceling hosting. I told him I loved them,
but I was not up for managing the tension, then
maybe it was better if everyone did their own plans
this year. My mom immediately called and said she understood
completely and would spend the day with a friend. My
siblings were disappointed, but mostly at our parents in general,

(49:09):
not me. My dad, on the other hand, absolutely lost it.
He said I was punishing him for moving on, accused
me of siding with my mom, and hinted that I
was being ungrateful because he helped with my college and
with the down payment of my place years ago. He
keeps texting that I have ruined the family holidays and

(49:30):
that all I have to do was be polite to
his partner for a few hours. One of my aunts
chimed in that I should have hosted anyway and not
made it about divorce. I feel guilty because I know
my siblings were looking forward to everyone being together and
I did not pull and I did pull the plug.
But at the same time, I feel like my boundaries
got bulldozed the moment Dad turned my home into a

(49:52):
test of loyalty.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I would have not invited your father, That's what I
would have done. I would have uninvited him.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Okay, so I got to have It's like TLDR. I
was like, wait too long, didn't read I offered to
host our first big family holiday in my apartment?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Oh wait, why is it? Oh?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I see it was just a really yeah, I'm all, oh,
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
I'm all about if you set a boundary and it
is your home, you either you either accept the boundary
and do what's asking you or you don't come.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
And I think it's that simple.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
I also like, it's weird to bring your new partner
to Christmas with your ex wife and they've knowne. I mean,
they'd be fine if they met her and they liked her,
but no one has met her, and your your separated
wife is going to be there Like no, you're inconsiderate
and that's rude.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Right, And it's like you're making this whole thing about
you when it isn't about you. It's supposed to be
about your family, and you're gonna make everyone uncomfortable and
then basically tell them fuck you. If you're uncomfortable, this
is your problem, not mine.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
How dare you not accept my girlfriend? Like that's not
what's happening. I'm sorry to said peace.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
But you know you're not part of the family well.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
And like maybe she's fine, maybe the baby. And that's
the issue with shit like this is that always makes
people feel shitty towards the new partner. It's not her,
it's the father. The father is the fucking problem because
he's like, absolutely, you're gonna accept her, no pushback. Shut
the fuck up. This is my house. I'm an adult.
We agreed upon this weeks ago. You alone or nobody,

(51:25):
you know, like right, or stay home, go to Denny's
with your girlfriend nation or go.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
To her family. What's you know. It's like, if you
can't be respectful of basic boundary, girl, then fuck off
and eat shit.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I mean honestly for real.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
You know. It's like I many years ago, I hosted
Thanksgiving at I when I lived in my apartment, and
I told everybody. I was like, you may come, do
not bring alcohol. I don't want alcohol in my house.
I don't drink, and I hate being around people who
are drunk. You know. It's like I will if I'm
at a party or a family guy and it starts

(52:01):
getting tipsy, I leave, yeah, because I don't like it.
And that's my choice. I'm not saying you can't drink
at this Vani gathering, but since it was in my house,
I said, please, you know, you loose at home.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
I'm very similar. If people are having a cocktail or
a beer or whatever or drink, I think that's fine.
But when people start to get out of control or
too loud or too I don't like it. Get out,
you know, right and with it.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
And the option is you could say, well, I really
prefer to have cocktails on the holiday, then don't come
to my house. And that's fine, you know. And if
you said, you know, I don't want to go the
day without drinking, so I'm not gonna come.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I don't care. Well, my sister, who was an alcoholic
who died of alcoholic who died of alcoholism, came to
my house said she didn't have any alcohol, which was
a lie. She had booze in her purse, and which
is suspicious that every time she had to go to
the bathroom she took a purse with her.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Well, she had to change her tampon.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Though she was well past that, but whatever, okay, But
every time she came back from the bathroom she was
just a little bit louder than when she went and it.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Was like, huh, you know, we know you're doing. Are
you slowly fermented?

Speaker 2 (53:13):
What is happening to you? Because you're smelling a little
boozy and we're not serving any booze here.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
So and God knows that bitch could get loud. Yeah,
we're loud.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Here's the thing. You grew up in a family that big,
you're loud. That's just it, because if you want to
be heard, you're loud. Yeah, you know. And it took
me years to modulate because I grew up in a
loud family. You're loud, blah blah blah. And it wasn't
until I got out of my own and really was like,
but you don't have to be this loud.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
You live with two people.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Or three people or what you know, and not everybody
shouting over the top of you trying to get the attention.
So bring it down a notch.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
But she was loud sober all the time.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
So when she drank, which was most of the time,
she would just get louder and louder.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
And it was just like, oh, dear God.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
One of my friends who was sitting next to her,
and I had this friend who's since past who had
no trouble saying exactly what he thought to any Holly, Yeah,
and the.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
One redeeming quality and right, well, listen that queen.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
If he had anything to say to you, it was
as if his I don't think he had filters. No,
but he finally at one point turned to my sister
and said, Tracy, you know, we're all about six inches
from you. We can all hear you.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yeah, there's no reason to shout, have.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
To scream at us. We're all sitting around a round table.
You know, it's not like some twenty foot long table and.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
You're at the other end like this one. Honestly, yeah,
it was just like, yikes, she was playing some games,
I know, but you know, it's like the game was
called Whisper and she's screaming.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
She's screaming.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Loud bitch always.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah, and it, like I said, it took me years
to kind of And yes, I'm still I still can
be lad And if I get excited, I automatically become.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
She peas she bars. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Well, you know, you know, excitement can happens to the best,
but I think I still it goes back to my house,
my rules, you know.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
And it's like and if you can't accept that don't
come to my house.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Yeah, you know it's like we love to go to uh,
my cousin Amy's house for holidays and stuff. And not
that she's ever put any like, but you don't do
this at my house because I don't think there's anything
you don't do at her house.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
She there's pretty you know, relaxed or whatever.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
But if she had said to me, you know, I
would rather you didn't do this, or I would it'd be.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Like, all right, well, And if it was something that
was like, don't bring diet coup, you know what I mean, Like,
if it was something I can't go, I'm sorry. But
if it was reasonable, But if it's like I need
you to never raise your voice above this level, you
know what I mean? Like, I don't think you can
invite people over and then have like unreasonable rules for
your house. I think that's stupid. But I do think
you have boundaries and rules. Yeah, that's fine. I have

(56:01):
plenty of girls to my.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
I think bringing bringing a person that no one has
met who is a replacement for your mother, that's fucked up,
you know, And I think just to do that at
a party, it's like, no, what are you talking about
I think I just read remember.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
They were oh wait, yes, yes'd you go? Well, I thought,
because we were talking about your Amy's house, and I
was like, who brought a replacement of their mother? No,
I say, this time when we go to Christmas at
their house, we're gonna bring a replacement for my auntie. Yes,
I'll just replace all the moms in the house.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Yeah, I'd be like, yeah, who are these people? These
are the people playing uphus. Yeah, you guys, consider that
you've been recast. We needed more entertainment, someone with new
stories to tell.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
All right. So one of the things I like to
do this time of year, which you know because we
talked about this all the time, I love to watch
Christmas movies, you know. And I last year my goal
was to watch one hundred Christmas movies by Christmas, which
I easily met. Okay easily.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
How many were you watching? A? Three?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Three? But I also started watching them in the beginning
of November, and so I well exceeded.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
So this year, I don't have a goal.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I don't have a number. I'm just watching Christmas movies
every day. There's a new I want to tell you
all about this because I want you to watch it.
There's it's on Prime. I think it's called Dates. Oh no, oh,
that's a good one too, but it's called No, it's no,
it's a Hallmark, but it's called twelve Dates Till Christmas.
Nobody has that stirring little May Whitman, who's adorable. And

(57:33):
I say little because she's like five foot tall. She
is just any bitty short. She a big girl, but
she's short anyway. But it's all about her being signed
up for this dating app where you date twelve times
before Christmas and they're trying to set you up. You
know you're gonna meet the love of your life. Yeah,
if not, you'll at least be entertained for twelve nights
of Christmas. But it's a series and there are six

(57:57):
episodes and they've aired two so far, and so find
it if you can and watch it. It's really good
and it's one of the it's not predictable, Okay, so
I like that it's not the same old here's the
misunderstanding and act three that will be straightened out and
act FO word like almost every homework.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Yeah, but there is also.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
The one that you mentioned, what fun, What Fun, which
is on Prime with Michelle Pefeiffer. I love Michelle, Dennis Leary.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Yes, it's so good. It is really good.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
It's also very different, it's not predictable.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
No, I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
And Evil Longoria is also in it.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I love her.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
And the third one that I'm going to also mention
is the one, uh is it called Happy Xmas with
Mary Little Xmas, Mary Little.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Xmas, which is Alicia Silverstone. Oh, it's so good and
most Joan Hart and Jimmy l Jamail, Yeah, Oliver Hadson,
Jamil and Jamil. I love Jamil me too. It's such
a good.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
But you know there's some fresh, new, different, not predictable
or not highly predictable. I mean there's always gonna be
a predictable Christmas stuff, sure, but you know, have yourself
and marry little Christmas, watch some movies and you know,
if you need to just go back to the basics,
you know, which is a wonderful life because everybody is
on every year.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah, I guess watch that. I think it's a lot
watch and just I made a list home alone, Christmas
Chronicles Jingle all the way. We love that one.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
So one more thing before we go Okay, I said
a couple of years ago. My favorite Christmas movie, which
technically is not a Christmas movie, is Meet Me in
Saint Louis Judy Garland.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
But is it a Christmas movie the same way Diehards
a Christmas movie?

Speaker 2 (59:41):
I think so, yeah, but maybe in Saint Louis takes
place over a year in this family's life, but the
biggest section of it is Christmas. And it's also the
movie where Have Yourself and Mary Little Christmas comes from sure,
and yeah, I mean so whatever, And but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Was like that it's not a Christmas movie, says who agreed. Agree.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I mean, there's a big segment it's all about Christmas
and family and you know they're getting ready to uproot
themselves and move to a whole new place and they're
all sad and whatever. But it's like Christmas is the
biggest part of that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yeah, you know, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
And again, classic Christmas comes from there. Yeah, so have Yourself.
But you know several people who are like die Hard's
my favorite Christmas movie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I've never seen die Harden.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
I've seen the first one, but none of the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
And that's only when you should see Gavin said well,
we should watch the first one because it's fun. And
I said, okay, that might and I don't have any
issue with anybody in it. It's mostly just like it
was an action movie from the nineties that I never
cared about. Right, that's it, right, but I'll watch it.
I got Bruce Willis, right, Bruce Willis and sever snape.

(01:00:52):
Oh isn't he a bad guy in it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
And also, uh, the wife of his partner in the movie.
And I can't remember who plays his partner, but the
wife is played by darleyn Love, who I love. Okay, Yeah,
oh Darling, Oh Darlene Love.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Okay, let's go, let's go, let's get out of here. No.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
You know, if this is the last time we talked
to you before Christmas, then have a wonderful holiday season.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
And if not, then come back next week and we'll talk.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
More nonsense about whatever we feel like. And if you
want to hear us talk about something in particular screen,
let us know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
It would seem as though at gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
And if our sound quality isn't any better, let us
know that too, case we are trying to make sure
that it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yeah, because I have to say like two miles away.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Now, I mean, is in the driveway.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
I can barely hear you, I can barely see you.
Thank god, you're so loud.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I know, otherwise you never know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I know, I know, I know. Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Yeah, no, honey, anyway, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Could go anyway. We're gonna go now. We'll see you later.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
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