It Would Seem As Though We Have Holiday Nostalgia

This week we talk about the state of the world, Trump derangement syndrome (his own) The murder of Rob Reiner, celebrity cosmetic procedures, and Christmas nostalgia.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
It was.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi, Hi this morning.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well great, we just went and got coffee from right,
we went to the Dutch because the Starbucks hear is
on strike and so being good union members, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
My husband is now trying to support the Starbucks workers
so they can get better pay and better work conditions
whatever else it is there. So I know those two
specific things. But yeah, go fight win, Yeah, go fight win.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I know I'm always you know, I have a real
issue with authority in general, and I always fight for
the people who are fighting for better conditions or better whatever.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah. Always worked there for how long emily combined?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh god, collectively, I work there in two thousand and eight,
and I worked there in twenty eleven, and then I
went back in twenty eight So I think I worked
collectively like nine or ten years at Starbucks since I
was nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Do you feel they're paying you know what's going on? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely Yeah go them.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
But yeah, so we're the Dutch Brothers, which I also
a few years ago had a very moral stance against
why because the owner CEO, the King, I don't know
who he is, but he wanted to open like a
gambling facility and next to your redigious reservation in southern Oregon.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
And then he was shut down.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, because well initially Oregon said, like, the Oregon government
said yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, and the indigenous people said no, no, no,
And once it got enough press, yeah, they were like
fine and people were like, but like it pissed me off.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, oh I get it. I do see though, by
looking at your company or not having a war on Christmas, No,
I guess not. They just have lights and it says
Mary and Amped. You know, so I am AMP, like
an amplifier for a guitar. Amph, I see Mary in AMP. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, so anyway, but I don't hate it. I wanted
what I wanted, which was eggnog, but they have it,
which is.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Irritating. So I got this.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
It's fine. I did ask for more coffee. There's lots
of coffee in it. It's not super sweet.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I enjoyed it, and I asked for what I thought
was the closest to what I get at the Starbucks,
and it's fine. Yeah. Well it's also in like it's
in a hole barrel, right, yeah, it's been aged in
an oak barrel. Right, So it's gonna take me six

(02:53):
years but whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not
the point. Really.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
She now orders in a water tower. She has a
water tower delivered every day full of her chocolate milk.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know, just because you said water tower. They're reminding
me of this really silly sitcom that was as a
kid called Petticoat Junction, Sure, and which I believe is
a spin off of Green Acres, Sure, which are shows
about how stupid people are in the country. I mean, honestly,

(03:24):
like in the rural areas. Okay, okay, okay, anyway, but
in the opening sequence of Petticoat Junction, the three daughters
of the main character, sure of course, are swimming in
the water tower. I hate that. I hate. And the
water tower is literally just this huge, open, like gigantic

(03:45):
barrel looking thing with no top on it, and they're
swimming in it. I don't like that's all That's all
you use that for is irrigation, and then that's fine.
But if people are drinking that water, yeah that sounds great.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I don't want dogs in there with them too, so
really sanitary. So what I'm hearing is their water is
like flint, Michigan. Yeah, probably, I do want a glass
of water and.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's chunky coming out. It doesn't make any sense. Why
is your no? It should water should never be chunk?
How yeah, I know, welcome to another week of It
would seem as though the podcast where we talking about anything,
everything and nothing often. I'm Vesta, I'm Anaka, and I'm
ready for Christmas. Girl, I've been done, ready, she done, already,

(04:30):
had been done. Ready listen. I mean, none of my
presents are rap, but they're all purchased loser I need.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
This year has been a lot, I think, just existing,
and a lot of it has been the new administration, right,
and it's exhausting and tiring, and everyone's dying. The world
is dying faster, and there's wars and genocide and bigotry
and hate whatever everywhere. And now Texas is making a
list of all their uh trans citizens who have requested

(05:03):
gender marker changes, so Texas, and they're not telling anyone
why they're making a list anyway. But the whole thing
has just kind of stressed me out this whole year,
you know, and it just I feel like it's worse
with all the drama with like my birth mother and
we put Gramma, Oh, we put gram on a whole.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Like all of it.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
It's just been a lot. So I need Christmas. So
my house is decorated. I've bought and wrapped all the
presents for all the people that I give presents too,
and so I have my old tree setup and all
the presents are under there. So it's a little overwhelming,
but I need the goddamn cheer, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, I'm going to talk about because so I love
Christmas movies, yes, which we've talked about many totally, totally total,
And I also love Christmas songs. However this year, so
I often in my car listen to iHeartRadio because you know,
it's a good mix of things. Yeah. Well, and so
I I hurt Christmas, sure, and it's new and old

(06:04):
and whatever. And I started just really paying attention and thinking,
some of these songs are kind of ridiculous. But what
I'm stuck on this week is people's pronunciation of things,
because I'm a weirdo and I get caught up in
the minutia of things. But like the other day, I
was listening to, oh what is that song? God Rest

(06:28):
you merry gentlemen, which is one of those Christmas songs
that I absolutely do not know all the words too,
but it's when they go tidings of comfort and joy.
Perry Como, who was singing this particular version, was tidings
of comfort. No tidings of comfort and comfort that it

(06:50):
sounds like that sounds like something a porn movie.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I don't want to go there. That's disgusting. Also, why
such a hard pronunciation over the fort you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Like it's so me and the un irritated. On the
way home, say, I was listening to the Tony Bennett
version of Winter Wind Winter. Well is the wind winter one? Well,
here's the thing, except it was the really Boston winds. Yeah,
it's the winter. I will say that waits New York

(07:25):
because I was a singer.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
I don't know if you know this, but I was
a singer and my choir, my choir director would tell
us to sing the ends of words differently sometimes, yeah,
depending on if it's going like what it's going into
or whatever. So not having a hard e r on things, right,
but I do get what you're saying. It It always
makes it takes me out of the moment, right, Like

(07:46):
I'm listening to a Christmas song. You know you're saying comfort, bitch,
like no one says that. No one has ever said comfort?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Are you comfortable? No? Excuse me one, then and then now.
This one cracks me up every year. So you know
who Dean Martin was, Okay, I mean he's been gone
for a long time and you're young anyway. For those
of you who may not know, Dean Martin was crooner,

(08:15):
very famous for being in the rap pack, very famous
for his Martini always in his hand. He does this
version of Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, which as he's
singing it every year when I hear it, I think
I can picture him sitting, you know, in a lounge
with his cigarette and his Martine as he's singing like

(08:38):
Rudy the Red Reindeer the red beak, and he's like,
you know it sounds like, yeah, man, I'm cool. I'm
getting a little more sloshed. At one point in the song,
Santa becomes German. I'm guessing because he's like Rudolph.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Mitch was like, oh, uncle drunk, he's telling Yeah, Uncle
Runk is telling a story.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, He's like anything German. Now, I'm gonna get this
hard like German accents. Well, I do think like there
is a huge German Oh my god, folklore around Santa Klaus.
You know Klaus. Yeah, it's very that. It's literally very

(09:21):
that right as you know and such, and also I
just so I just think it's funny and as different
songs come up, like one of my favorite songs is
the songs called Christmas and it was originally done by
Darlene Love and then Mariah Carey also made it huge
and everybody and their dog has don like the version

(09:41):
of it. Well Michael Buble, Michael Bubble sings it at
like half speed. Oh God, like the snow's coming down
watching so he's all the snows coming down and near
like and so my eyelids, Michael, Which this is literally
what we're talking about. Before we got on here, people

(10:03):
speaking so slowly that I'm like, I don't care anymore.
When I was telling because I'm before a turn of
you and I was using my William Shattner acting school lesson.
There's a couple of things, a pause between everywhord.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I I feel like I'm pretty good at multitasking, and
so when you're trying to read something and do something
and you're slowly saying the sentence to me, I'm like,
do one or the other or I'm gonna kill you,
or literally stop for two seconds and finish your fucking sentence.
But then it brought back the memories of you know,
going being in callege, your professor being like so to do,

(10:41):
and I'm all, I'm cut your throat in front of
your family, like I swear to God, And you know,
I understand taking your time and saying what you mean,
does it have to move as like the earth is cooling?
Like it does have to be that fucking slow?

Speaker 2 (10:56):
My thing is, I really want you to enunciate every
word so that I know what you're saying. But I
don't need you to talk slowly because I am not stupid. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Well, but some people usually like old men, you know
what I mean, old like academic men.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I always think of that as they just have that
slow cadence. And I'm like, God, why you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Like, you probably could have studied more had you gone
a little fucking first, But what do I know?

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Well, when I was in high school, yeah, there were
two teachers. There were only two teachers. They were only teachers.
Well that's how long ago it was it was a
one room school with two teachers. Yeah and six. There
were two teachers in particular who were the They were
the most boring people ever in the world, and they
were teaching subjects that already weren't exciting. Yeah, like one

(11:48):
of them molecular biology. One of them did teach biology,
the other one history, and the history teacher, I swear
to God, would be like And then in nineteen twenty nine,
there was the room and everything was this monotone and
after a while it just felt like a buzz. Yeah,
I'm hearing like bees buzz. Literally, you did that for

(12:10):
two seconds that I was already right checked out. Yeah,
you know, I know. And the other one who was
remember this is high school, and high school kids are assholes.
Everybody called him the turtle because not only did he
talk slow, but he moved slowly. So but he was
old No, I mean old, I was you know, everybody

(12:33):
seemed old. Yeah, so he was probably in his fifties maybe, Okay,
so you know, not really old. Allegedly, rumor has it,
or or legend has it, that he had been in
some kind of accident. Oh well then it's not his fault. Well,
it didn't make us any less mean about it. Yeah, well,
I know high school students assholes. Yeah, I've met you.

(12:56):
I've never been there, so I have no idea. I know,
I know, but it was just like, oh my god,
I'm gonna die. I literally might die boredom before we
reached the end of the goddamn sentence.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, honestly, I That's why I like with teachers like that.
I was like, Okay, what are we reading. We're going
over chapter.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Five today, and I have my you know, the textbook
out and I'm just like taking notes as they're going
over the chapter because I'm reading right, because I'm reading
the chapter because I can go faster than you. But
you've read the entire book and we're still talking about
page one. Yeah, well kind of.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
But like I remember getting in trouble in school because
I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
They would call on you, Annika, what were we talking about? Annika?
Where were we?

Speaker 1 (13:36):
You know?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
What page were we on? Right? To test you who
you were following along?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
And I wouldn't be where they were because I'd be
reading ahead right and taking whatever notes I took, where
whatever age I was.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
But like and so I'd be like, oh, well, you know,
I don't know. My face would contour, I would cry,
pee my pants, put some shitn't fart like you know,
but yeah that happens. Yeah, well this is my favorite,
favorite favorite.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
One year I had mister mister Chase for as a teacher,
Charlie Chase, who my whole family has had had him
as a teacher, and.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
So by the time you had me had to be
an old man.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
He was an old man and he was still so
funny though he had his like he would throw erasers
like or chalk or kick a trash can. But he
was just an old goofy man.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
And I think it kind of settled him because he
had a daughter who was like severely special needs, okay,
and so we had a couple of kids, but she
was grown up by the time I was in school,
but he would bring her in and he was just
so funny. And he said when they had a.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Cat named a handicapped cat, and he named it Andy cat,
like handicapped Andy cat. Okay, mister I was We're reading
the book The k which is a book you have
to read in middle school and.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
No Ka.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Like an island somewhere anyway, and I it was so
boring and he was reading or supposed to follow along,
and I fell asleep and I heard him yell my name,
and everyone looks at me, and I'm all, you know,
drool because that's me. Book prints on the sidebook is wet. Yeah,

(15:21):
what page are we on? And I'm like, my book
is wet, and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'm way behind. I can't even read the number anymore
because it's wet. I have, like Harry Potter open and
I'm like, I don't know, man, know, you bored me
all the way to death.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
And then but then you ask questions you can't kill me,
and then like answer this, you eat shit.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'm dead already. I can't answer it that. I love
mister Chase. He was He was just a funny guy
by the time. I was the old burnt out And
so here's my funny story about the you're gonna talk
about my biology teacher. Oh right, So my freshman year
I had biology and my sister, who's a senior also loser,
you know, and she was real mad about the fact

(16:03):
that I was in here. I'm sure you know, because
like you're you're a freshman. She didn't want me in
her class. Whatever. Yeah, well you should take a biology earlier,
you dumb bitch. Right, it is a requirement. Yeah. So
they did something in my high school called senior swap
Day where you could have one of your parents coming
your stead, right, and so my mother took her place,

(16:25):
which means my mother was in biology class with me
on the day. They were talking about the reproductive system
and how it all works, and grandma had no idea.
She had no idea.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
It was so funny about that point. She had six children,
you know what I mean, had been pregnant nine times.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, like and she just thinks, what you kiss a boy,
you eat an apple seed and somehow right, right, I
don't know, but it was funny because I mean, she
knew sex leads to babies, she knew that much, but
did not know any of the mechanics. Also, didn't know
why you have a period, didn't know any of that stuff.
So in one day, I have a question, I learned

(17:05):
all kinds of stuff. I'm sure. I mean, yeah, when
I took this class called.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
The Sociology of Girlhood, and it was like girlhood is
a very amorphous thing, like when do you become a woman, right,
when are you a girl?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
In different cultures.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
It's means different things, but how specifically in Western culture
when it comes to menstruation, especially in like the turn
of the century, women weren't talking about this shit. Women
weren't teaching their daughters. They were silently slipping them like
their rag that they washed.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Over and over, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Foro like disposable damuliners or pads or tampons came into
a play. But it was like shameful to talk about nobody, you.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Know, they would say.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
They would say crazy, superstitious fucking things like stay away
from the.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Boys, or you know what I mean, like I.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Don't know, don't eat that whatever, dumb shit, And they
wouldn't talk about the realistic things because they didn't know
because their mothers been talked to her about it.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Right, And it stems from like a Victorian era where.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Everything was prim and proper, and we didn't talk about
the things that were uncomfortable or unladylike or ungroth, you
know exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
And women also didn't talk about sex except to saying,
you know, that was your duty to your husband and
women we weren't expected to enjoy sex, and so it
was also thought women couldn't enjoy sex well, and that
tells me there were a lot of men doing it wrong,
you know, if they couldn't enjoy sex. But you know
whatever when you know, back to back to my mother.

(18:36):
When she started talking about enjoying sex, Yeah, her mother.
All her mother said to her was don't mess now,
you can't mess around boys mess around? What does that
mean she's ten? Yeah, I mean they can't play with them,
or I can't wrestle or whatever, you know, all the things.
And all she had was brothers, you know, and so

(18:58):
like isolated. Now so now now I have to stay
in my room. I mean, yeah, I know the whole Yeah,
but it was that whole shame shame about your body
in general, and just ignorance, total ignorance, and then your
body doing this weird thing where it's bleeding and it's like,
can you imagine now, you don't know what's even ever

(19:18):
gonna happen, and then all of a sudden, at ten,
I'm dying. You're bleeding for days, and yeah, it's like
for her it started in school, Oh my god. And
they took her down to the office. The office nurse said,
I can't talk to you about this because your parents
your parents have to talk to about it, damn it.
And then so yeah, they sent her home. The neighbor

(19:42):
friend came and helped her out and got her cleaned
up and everything. It's like, and you know, here's this
thing that will help you out it. But it said,
but it's up to you. You know, that's really up
to your mom to talk to you about it. That's crazy.
And then her mom about it. Because I'm sure my
grandmother didn't know any better other than you know, use
this thing whatever they were using in the nineteen fifties. Sure,

(20:04):
you know, because it would have been nineteen fifty nineteen
forty nine, so you know, well, and not only Grandma's
grandmother was an old indigenous woman who lived like off
the land, you know what I mean, in a cabin
with an outhouse, you know, with eighty five children. Like
she didn't know.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
She was busy, bitch, she was raising children. She had
time for a lessons, eighteen of them. Yeah, she had
time for period lessons.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Oh yeah, so I mean, and I know a lot
of cultures, like free bleeding is a thing, or like
an indigenous culture, sometimes you would go to a tent.
May people are like to protect men. It was mostly
to keep women comfortable and they didn't have to like,
you know, they were safe, right, and they were in
a place where they could do this hygenically or whatever.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, the shame around it. There's a really, really good
book called The Red Tent and it's specifically about that.
And one of the things I found interesting that for
the women, while they have their week or so in
the Red Tent was almost like a vacation for them
because they were away from all the men, away from

(21:11):
all of their responsibilities and whatever. No chores, no child.
I think set in the Middle East. Yeah, yeah, I
know what you're talking about. Yeah, but it's a really
good book.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Well, and that's the thing is it would be a
big Yes, you'd be uncomfortable, but you were uncomfortable all
the time already, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Right, so this time you have chores, you're not wearing children, you.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
And you're only around other women and yeah, and you
don't have to have sex with your husband, you know
what I mean, or whoever owns you or whatever, right, Like,
you don't have to have that fear.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
You're just in the tent doing your womanly thing. I'm like,
here for that Yes, that's cool. So I'm gonna jump
way back to the beginning of this conversation we're talking
about that has been kind of a hard year. This
has also been really for for me and for my children.
Are hard because their school keeps getting phone in threats

(22:05):
of gun violence. So and then we get an email
from the school saying we had this threat. We were
working with Partland police. They've decided to, you know, determine
it's not a credible threat. If you don't know who's
calling it in, how can you determine it's not a
credible threat. And it happened three days in a row.

(22:26):
Last Finally, on the third day, I was like, stay
home because I don't feel good sending you to school.
You guys are having this high level of anxiety about
going to school, and it's like, what the fuck? You know.
So there was that which had me just like, you know,
out of my mind with stress and whatever. And I
have I'm going to tell you that since I put

(22:47):
my kids in school, both of them started at three
in preschool, I have had every day the worry that
something is going to happen to my children. Because it's
now a commonplace occurrence you know, and now that it's
like a clear and present danger totally, you know, it's
like it's been horrible and then kind of the though

(23:10):
this doesn't affect me directly, the horrible thing with Rob
Reiner and his wife. So for those of you who
might not know who Rob Reiner is, the legendary actor director,
and his father was like super legendary Carl Reiner, you know,
but he and his wife were murdered by their son.

(23:31):
And their son who has been struggling with addiction for
years and years and years and got clean and sober
and actually made a movie with his dad about addiction
and which apparently was very well received, and they were
doing great for a while. But then, as often happens,

(23:54):
he you know, slipped back into his addiction ways and then,
for whatever reason, which of course will I'll never know,
then recently murdered his parents. Horrible. So to make it
more horrible, the idiot in the White House decided he
needed to talk about it. Yeah, and so he said,

(24:14):
because I'm going to read his post, a very sad
thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Rainer, a tortured
and struggling but one very talented movie director and comedy
star has passed away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly
due to the anger he caused others through his massive,
unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known

(24:37):
as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS. He
was known to have driven people crazy by his raging
obsession of President Donald J. Trump. Now, mind you, this
is Trump's saying this. Yes, with his obvious paranoia reaching
new heights as the Trump administration surpassed all goals and

(24:57):
expectations of greatness and with the the Golden Age of
America upon it is perhaps like never before. May Rob
and Michelle rest in peace. What the fuck? I'm sorry,
but you think that he was murdered because he talked
about you, and you think that you have surpassed all
the goals. You're doing shit and everybody in the country,

(25:17):
I mean, your numbers are like in the toilet because
everybody's like you said that affordability is not even a
real thing. It's a made up concept. But you used
this tragedy to try and one talk about how horrible
people are who don't love you and have the nerves
to talk about you, but then to throw in there

(25:38):
how great and wonderful you are, and it's like, it's crazy.
You literally are a piece of garbage. It's such gross behavior.
And then a whole bunch of Republicans came out against
him saying, not, okay, man, you have really crossed the line,
like this is the first time he's crossed a line.
I know.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Well, and it's well, I think they're doing it. And
here's why, because the whole Charlie Kirk of it all right,
Charlie Kirk was murdered, and every Republican and conservative wept
super crocodile tears over that hateful prick. And you know,
sensible people were like, uh huh, well he was hateful.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
He got murdered because he was hateful, and he, you know,
upheld this society that was hateful and he died by
the society whatever.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
And everyone's like, how dare you say that? Nobody let's
look at his quotes, right, Like, no one is saying
things that are untrue about him, right, And if people
are like, ding Dong the witch is dead, well, then
ding Dong the witch is dead. Like, first of all,
if people you're giving them too much power, if someone says, good, good,
he's dead.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
You fine, feel your feelings, but that's only affecting you,
you know what I mean, like be upset about it.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Right well, and now, because there was so much.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Backlash of people talking about Charlie Kirk or there was
such a divisive conversation about it. For Donald Trump to
say that about Rob Briner, who a lot of people
have loved forever, it's like the same thing, right, It's like, oh,
but look, he's a conservative Republican saying this about a
fallen like a liberal Democrat and an activist against you know, yes,

(27:12):
and and so I think he got a lot of
backlash from his base because of that, Like they just
were talking about this, like how dare you have civility?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
You know, someone's dead?

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Okay, So now I guess they're trying to have civility
and they're calling out Donald Trump for not having it.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I don't know, that's like my theory. Yeah, right, I know.
The whole thing is gross. And yes, girl, it's a tragedy.
And it's like his family is, you know, going through
an awful time, and so you're gonna be like, wow,
he had it coming because he drove all these people
crazy with his Trump derangements. So you decided to critique me,

(27:51):
so you deserve to die well. And I think that's
how he really feels. I know, he's nuts. He's literally crazy, yeah,
I know. And he's in charge of things, which is terrifying.
I know, you know, I know, So I try not
to think about that too much. I just watched I'm
currently watching a lot of Stargate to you know, numb

(28:12):
my brain.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
But uh yeah, i's a it's a lot.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
But I will say that I don't Vanity Fair.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yesterday, recently they went and had a photo shoot at
some governmental building of the current people in charge. So
it was like Caroline Lovett and Rubo Marcia, Marco Rubio,
you know that Ruby Marcio does his dry Ruby Marcio.

(28:43):
What's his name, Stephen Miller, like all these people, right,
But the pictures after this or all of you, if
you're listening to this, look it up currently, because they did,
they published like super fucking close ups of like everyone's faces.
So you can see all of Caroline love It's like everything.
You can see the injections from where she got her

(29:04):
lip plumped. You can see everything and then took really
unflattering pictures of them in stances that were like, well,
you look like an infant or an idiot, and just
did brilliant, brilliant work to make them look infantile.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I'm wondering if this was this the same said that
they did when they did all those drag queens on
the cover and they all looked awful. I don't know,
do you remember that. I don't know. I don't remember. No,
I'm not sure. Did you say I think it's Vanny Fair? Yeah? No,
it was different. No, But it was like, oh, we
want to get a picture. We want to do you know,
a portfolio of the inside workings of Trump's machine, right, like,

(29:41):
good for you, guys, We're going to put you in it.
You're doing great. And then they took these really horrible,
unflattering pictures, but you know you could tell they talk
them up like stand like this, have you did you?
Are you looking? Yes?

Speaker 3 (29:54):
And these were published? Isn't it crazy? And like there's
the close up of god, what's his name? JD Vans
looking at it.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
It looks like the meme of JD. Vans. It is
so fucking funny. I love it so much. But and
those aren't like touched or anything. That's just what they
look like, which is so funny to me. Well, the
Caroline Lovett one is you can literally see every dot

(30:24):
on her lips where she's had injections. Yeah, isn't it.
And I'm looking at her real little nasty face. And
she's a young woman. I don't know how old is she?
Like twenty eight? Is she twenty eight? I think so stopped.
I have no idea how old is Caroline Lovett? Oh
my god, that kills me. Dad, there are two people.
Oh who cares if you mean Caroline love It? The

(30:45):
Trumps secretary.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, she was born, oh my, nineteen ninety seven. And
she looks like she's eight years younger than me. That
is banana's. That is bananas, you guys. Here's why I've
also want on a makeup in my life and I've done.
You know, I used to sleep in my makeup like
crazy banana shit. I would never like, I don't look

(31:11):
like that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
It just feels crazy to me, Like, why you look
so bad? You're not that old girl? She looks crazy.
She I think she looks like she's fifty. Agreed, I
would say that. And I don't mean like a modern
fifty for all these actresses and stuff who have had
everything tightened and tucked and plucked and whatever. I mean,

(31:33):
she looks old. She looks old going. Also, I think
it's all that sour inside is rotting her, completely rotted
her from mellside.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
And I want to say, talking about actresses, I was
watching this in depth video about like like starlets or
leading ladies or the beauty queen, the angeneux. Right, none
of the women, the young women who are the engineers
in the eighties and nineties would be considered like beautiful

(32:05):
in the same sense as like today's young women are.
And here's why plastic surgery.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
They all have had their lips plumped, their cheeks tightened,
and everything filled. Everyone starting like look at Millie Bobby Brown,
who is now Millie Bonnie bon Jovi or whatever her
name is. One second, so I just bullieve well, and
I was watching that video about actresses like angenous and

(32:35):
beauty queens or whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
From back in the day.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
They wouldn't it wouldn't hold up the same as now, right,
because girls women start young, young, young, getting filler and
botox and so their faces aren't aging naturally. But I
if you look at any of the young star hot
you know whatever, like love interest, then look at like

(33:01):
any of them, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Like look at like Molly Ringwald's right, or any of them.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
I can't think of anything like even Michelle Pfeiffer, do
you know what I mean? Like none of them would
hold up to today. And I don't think that's good, right,
I don't think we know the standards are great.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
It's weird. No one has an aging face. It is weird.
I agree with you. And the other thing that's kind
of weird, excuse me, is that in the kind of
golden age of Hollywood, as they called it, once, you
were like anywhere near forty, you were done. Yeah, or
you were the grandma, or you were the spinster. Sure,

(33:41):
but you were not the love interest. And now, I mean,
I watched a movie the other day where Susan Sarandon,
who was in her seventies, yeah, was the love interest,
you know, and she still looks fantastic. Not naturally, I'm sure, sure,
but whatever, but whatever she's had done, she had done well,
so she looks normal and natural, but clearly, when you're

(34:03):
that age and you haven't aged, it's not natural. No, no, no,
of course, But I think about like all of these
people who are not doing all the things, like Jamie
Lee Curtis. Jamie Lee Curtis is aging in a natural way.
Her hair is gray, she has wrinkles, and still working.

(34:24):
Yet she's not the ngene, she's not the leven Tress. No,
but whatever, but she's still working. And she earned her
first Oscar last year, which is crazy. Yeah, granted, I
don't know what she's done that's oscar worthy prior to that.
True Lives, but now, I mean, I love Jamie Lee Curtis.
I think she's brilliant and she has age naturally. And
Lynda Hamilton she's like refused to do any of that shit.

(34:49):
She's like, I'm not putting anything in my face to
try and look like somebody other than who I am.
And you know who Linda Hamilton is. She was in
the Terminator and many other things. She was in the
TV series of Beauty and the Beast. Okay, so she
was also married to James Cameron.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Okay, there was something else I recently saw her in
that I was like that's Linda Hamilton. And she was
a badass Linda Hamilton. You know, I have to think
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
The first thing I ever saw her in was one
back in the back, and back in the eighties, there
was all these shows that were referred to as nighttime soaps,
like Dallas and Dynasty and Falcon Crest and ay, and
she was in one of those. And I want to say,
and I could be wrong, I want to say it
was called King's Cross okay, or King's Crossing something like that,

(35:38):
And it didn't last very long because it wasn't very good,
But so many of those shows went on forever. And
speaking of not slanding, Joan van Arc she doesn't even
look human anymore. No, it's like, oh honey, oh stop.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
So she's in Stranger Things, which is funny and yeah,
and she's also in Resident Alien.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Have you watched that show? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:03):
And if you guys haven't, it's like alien who's alent
tutic is, Oh my god, he's an alien who pretends
to be human in a small town and like he
took over the product of the town doctors in a
small town and Linda Hamilton works for like she was
a former military operative and now is like trying to

(36:23):
get alien technology. So it's still very much in the
vein of like, I'm a badass woman, yeah, which I love.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm here for so you now. On that topic. Not
long ago, I watched the movie The Last Show Girl
Okay with Pamela Anderson. Yeah. Now, Pamela Anderson has made
the very and I think it's hilarious that it's referred
to as this very brave choice to be sans makeup
all the time, Like every TV show I see her on,

(36:51):
like interviews and stuff, no makeup. Oh my god, she's
so brave. Yeah, it was like but for a woman
her age, I know, and I remember when Alicia Key's
made the same stance, but it's like, well, you're young
and don't really need it. Gorgeous your skin is perfect
and beautiful, so really makeup is a nice enhancement, but

(37:12):
you look just as gorgeous without it. And I'm not
saying Pamela Anderson needs it, but we're just not used
to seeing people, especially actors and actresses, intentionally with In
that movie, she actually plays her age, which I love.
And she's the showgirl in a Las Vegas show that's

(37:35):
been around forever and it's now you know, it's not
aging well the show itself and it's like kind of
old and dusty and dated, and but they're trying to,
you know, keep it going, and she's trying to you know,
hang on to her glory days and from this show girl.
But it is. It is a good movie, and it's

(37:56):
a sad movie. And Jamie Lee Curtis is also in
that and she's a mess, I bet. But you know
that was just an example though, of people who are
just like agent like people.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Well I'm glad though, because again I think it plays
to that whole idea we talked about the other day
of like everything is so detached and digital anymore, like people,
And it has been for several decades that now people
are like, I know, people have always bought vinyl, but
people are buying record players and playing records, and people

(38:30):
are you know, doing things that are more emolutionary. Yeah,
they're doing things that are more analog though, and it's
more of a romantic ideal, right, Like and I use
the idea of like a drug habit, people who use
like a little vape pen, right or versus people who
like sit and roll a joint.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
It's like they're very different behaviors.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Sure, and but one is very like romantic one is
there you're putting the effort in, right, And how many
places now, Like I see there's a couple of nail
salons and Portland that are very nostalgia pop culture inspired,
So they have little TVs with VCRs and they're playing
VH Justice while they're having like their nails on or whatever.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
So like I think that's a very nostalgic, but it
makes sense. We I think we.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Took technology to an extreme and I mean, and it
could go further, shirt, but I think that we should
use it to enhance but not disrupt, right.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Well, And there's also the other thing about that, which
I think specifically is the good old days nostalgia, which
is such a false narrative, right, I mean it's like,
so oh right, let's specifically say to eighties. Sure, because
there's all those like fun, silly, stupid movies that we love,
or even some pretty great movies, but a lot of
you know, light fluffy comedies and you know the beginning

(39:47):
of a lot of people's careers and whatever. So that's fun.
And you know, like if you think about like the
music and stuff. At that time it was New wave
was a big thing and you know, all of that stuff,
which is great and so if you're looking for aesthetics
or just entertainment, fantastic. It was also the decade where

(40:11):
of Reaganism. The queer community was dying from AIDS and
the government was doing nothing about it.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
It was there were several wars going on, Reagan was president,
the crack epidemic. It was just like, so that whole
good Old Days thing is.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Good ol days for home, well, and that's but I
think it's different for everybody because in my idea, the
good old days would be like the bits and pieces
of like my nostalgic youth that were happy, good But
sometimes it's not even a whole moment for me. Sometimes
it's even like the Christmas decord that I had as
a kid, or different kind of cheesy looking Halloween decord

(40:52):
that I have, like things like that. It is mostly aesthetic, though,
but I think it's because we're all like everything is detached,
everything right, Like people don't hang out like they used to.
I got three degrees, and I got all of them
without going to a classroom. Do you know what I mean,
Like I didn't have to go and sit in a

(41:15):
lecture forever, and I didn't have to take notes and
listen to people stupid questions like but then you also
didn't have the college experience where you.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Meet your best friends for the rest of your life.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Well, and I already had that right, right, right, And
so like I do think, even though I prefer not
needing to go somewhere and whatever, it's there is an
element that a tangible of doing, of being a part
of something, right. And so when you do everything digitally
and you're alone and you connect online, which is great,

(41:47):
but when you're always alone and you do.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
So, there's going to be just some parts in here
that are going to sound incongruous. Because as we were
recording about at the thirty minute mark, I get a
phone call saying that school has been canceled because they're
having power outages. And of course, when my son texts
me and says I need you to come get me

(42:12):
right now, I was all, oh, dear God, the school
shooting has now happened. Yeah, you know, but that tells
me he's alive, you know. So it's fifty percent of
my children that are at school, you know, and it's
like whatever, But then he's like, no, there's a power outage.
So we had to stop for about a half an
hour and go, I guess it's a little longer than that,

(42:33):
so I could go pick up.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Kids and yeah, then Parker who had my son, who
had just gone to a friend's house instead of coming
right home with me just walking the door, and my
dog went crazy and whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
So we had to stop again. So Anaka may Or
may not remember exactly what she was saying.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
I know that we were talking about nostalgia and just
there were like romanticism of doing something opposed to being detached.
You know, like how many day, how many hours a
day which then collectively a week and a year do
you spend in front of a screen all day?

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Right? Like most people, so many people, it's all day.
And I don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
It's just things that aren't good for humans, right, Like
we could be running wild, right, we could be picking
flowers and eating fruit, but we chose, like war in
debt and credit scores and the fucking term cost of living,
which is insane to me because I didn't choose to
be alive, So why does it cost money to be alive,

(43:35):
you know what I mean. So I do think that
people are trying to get back to kind of simpler,
as simple as they can get while living in the
capitalist digitals.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Right, global world. Right, we're all interconnected so much that
it's impossible. You know. One of the things for me
that I find kind of interesting, I was taught the
kids the other day something came up and I don't
remember why it came up, but we were talking. Oh
I do remember why it came up. The kids were

(44:07):
asking me about this specific set of glasses that I
have that are bicentennial. So they came out in nineteen
seventy six and they were produced by Avon, and they
were like, well, what's Avon? And you know, it's like, well,
this is cosmetic company that the whole gig was if

(44:32):
you sold Avon, you got your friends to like either
host parties and you could sell, or you went door
to door or you know whatever. You had to interface
with people all the time, all the time. You know,
you would have your friends, would tell your friends and
sometimes you know, I think there was one of the

(44:52):
first what is that called MLM, except one that wasn't
a scam. Sure, you know, the more people you got, yeah,
you know, underneath you they like higher you got whatever.
But it was actually, you're selling a product that is
not a scam. Yeah, I mean, and they're still around.
Yeah it's crazy, but it's now strictly digital. Yeah. Yeah,

(45:15):
it's strictly online. It's crazy. So it's just but one
of those things. So I think about the I guess
nostalgia that I have is for shit like that where
it's like the Avon Lady. Yeah, you know, and it was.
It was ninety nine percent of it was an Avon Lady.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Well but and that's the thing though. It was like
a connection. It was doing a thing opposed to like
looking on your phone, which again I'm also a billion
percent guilty of. But I do love that too because
that was the era of like Avon and Tupperware. And yeah,
my biological mom used to sell Christmas around the World.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
It was funny because that was the other the other
one I was going to bring up, which I remember
going to the house and doing a Chris around the
World party. Yeah, I still have some of that stuff.
It was good quality.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
And that's when I think of Christmas decorations. As a kid,
I remember Becky my biolom had this huge red like
Duffel bag but it was massive and it had a
zip around the top and all the Christmas decorations were
in there, and things that she didn't sell we just used, right,
But there was all these little things that to me
were like iconic Christmas and so like, I love that shit,

(46:25):
and I do have a little part of me that
misses it, like I was too young, really, but I
but Becky sold avon Christmas around the world, like she
did all that shit, and then they made it for
adult sex toys. Remember no, yeah, Lulu Lushes drag Queen
of Portland used to be a representative whatever the fuck
it was called, but it was, like most it was

(46:47):
for women's sex toys.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
And so I thought, you made Christmas around the world,
went to making sex toys.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
The mom knew that it is Christmas all year long
and gear Santa comes more than once a year.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
But yeah, yeah, things like that. I just there's a
lot of things. I mean, hailing a cab, which I've
done like twice in my life, but things that like.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
You don't need to do anymore. You don't need to
go grocery shopping. You don't need to talk to anyone
at the Starbucks, you know what I mean, You don't
have to do which is great, but also being forced
to be in situations in which you have to interact
keeps you a person, you know what I mean. Well, yeah,
I mean that's one of the things that specifically I'm

(47:30):
gonna say about Starbucks is when you pull up to
the little window to get your coffee and they are instructed,
you know, to have a conversation with you, to engage. Yeah,
And I think for a lot of people that might
be the only engagement that they get. Yes, And so
without doing it on the regular, it becomes awkward and
it becomes like a skill or whatever that you need

(47:52):
to sharpen because you have lost that skill, right, And
I feel like for.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
People like you and I, like I don't have I
genuinely don't have a lot of social interaction with other
people outside of like our compound. But I have been
so social for so much of my life. But it
is again something that I like sharpening a skill, like, oh,
I haven't done it in a minute, but I still
like fall into it. It's like riding a bike, right,
Like I fall into the routine I already know, right,

(48:20):
like the norms and the mores of how to communicate
and social cues and shit. So it's like I don't
I don't use it very often anymore. But like getting
into that situation, like when I went to Comic Con, bitch,
I was on at Thanksgiving. I felt like I was
on like all day right, right, but then it's exhausting
and then I'm like, oh, bitch, I'm not used to this,

(48:41):
and it I was like yawning all the way home.
I was like bed time when we get home, because bitch, I'm.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Sleeping like five o'clock. Yeah, I have been on all day.
It was a lot. And then as soon as you
get away from it, it's not like you can switch
it off. It kind of has to It's like being
drunk or it has to wear off, you know. And
then you're like taking off all that stuff because even
though it's fun and it's whatever. Because we now, of

(49:07):
course do holidays with the people we choose, there's none
of that well you have to do this for over
a decade, yes, but their whole life, right, We've never
we never do the thing anymore where you feel like
obligated to go spend time with the family that you
maybe don't want to spend time with.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Now you know, I also hate the like as a kid,
I hated the now go hug or kiss whoever.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
And I was like, I don't know that person, but
from you know what I mean, But once a year,
you know what, do you want me to go hug them?
You want to go near them? First of all, I'm
painfully shy. Okay, I had so you have Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
I have this conversation with Aunt Grace and she was
talking about me when I was younger and just saying like, oh,
I don't know what she was saying, but I was
like she had said that I said something that was
like or sarcastic or whatever, not mean, but just like
and I was all I was so shy as a child.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
She was like, no, you weren't, and it was all no,
but I really was. Yeah. But then I think about,
wait a minute, she only really ever saw me around
you and mister T. And I wasn't a broken person
right around you because I remember, you know, I was
telling Gavin, I was like way more adventurous. I'd wore makeup,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
I'd wear like platform footflops that were yours, right, Like
I was way more like comfortable and comical, collected, and
I could be who I was, and that was so
I think that's the only person Aunt Grace saw. She
never saw me be like the scared, shy, upset little kid,
which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
It's funny that she was saying you were a little kid.
You were fourteen, right, but like when you started coming around,
yeah there, because I mean I started coming around because
when they moved to town, it was not that many
years before teen and I were together. Yeah, and then
once he and I got together, we started going there regularly,

(51:03):
and then you would come out there with us, and so, yeah,
you were being yourself around a bunch of people who
accepted you as being one hundred percent yourself.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
But that's like a really it was interesting to me
because I was all because at first I was like, no,
you're crazy. I was always shy, always payingfully shy. But
then I was like, huh, maybe that's the whole Like
perception is reality.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
So people see you one way.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
You may have been a shy, scared little baby, but
in certain circumstances you were not. And that's the only
person she knew which is right crazy to me, right,
it's mind boggling.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yeah, anyway, it is. I get it. Yeah, you know,
and for me, I think, you know, back to the
whole nostalgia thing, it really is, like you said, it's
like glimpses. It's little. I'm not I don't want to
go back to being you know, twenty thirty, forty, none
of those ages. I would love to look like how
I looked at forty. That'd be right. But I miss

(51:58):
just certain little things and I miss certain little feelings,
like I miss the excitement of Christmas, yeah, because I
don't really feel it anymore. It's just like it's Christmas.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
Man.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
I like getting things for people. I love buying gifts. Yeah,
I love giving gifts. Yeah. But the rest is like,
because we do live in an age where everything's at
our fingertips. When I want something, I buy it totally,
you know.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
So it's well, and that's why, like I mean, yeah,
I still like my things I have, you know. I
like Christmas and it still gets me giddy about once
a day. I still squeal its Christmas. To Gavin, He's like, yep,
because he also loves Christmas. And so but again, wrapping
the presence, having a tree, decorating, watching movies and like
egg nog, hot Coco, right, like all these things, and

(52:44):
I'm like, it's Christmas. So for me, it's like I'm
creating this ambiance and this vibe and this feeling that
gets me amped, right, that makes me excited for Christmas
because outside of my little bubble, nothing else matters. I'm
safe in there. I have my three girl I was
in my nan like in my house looks cute, like
so I understand though, like the magic of it all

(53:08):
is kind of it's dampened. But for me, I still
feel like I wait for the same year, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
I like, yeah, I mean, I enjoy Christmas. I love
putting up the decoration. I love which is why it's
hard for me to say down my tree because I love, Yeah,
just that sparkly you know what, the happiness that that
tree kind of implies. Sure, just because I look at
it and it makes me smile. Yeah, And then I
look at my ornaments that I've had for years and

(53:34):
they make me smile. No. Well, you know, and I
would keep my tree up year round, and I last year,
I kept it up for so long. But last week
I talked about how I had to take it down
because I need to be able to put it up
and feel it changes.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
It changes my mood, you know what I mean? So
to have it enough year round. I got used to it.
It was too commonplace. I didn't appreciate it, right, So yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Right, Well I before we close out here, want to
read a little? Am I the asshole? Holiday? You are
the asshole? We're just gonna say, we haven't even read
it yet. You're probably a nine to ten situation. You
are the asshole? Am I the asshole for skipping Christmas
with my parents since they won't treat me like an
adult already? No? Okay, I female twenty seven with my

(54:23):
boyfriend who's thirty three, for almost two years now. We
will be getting married eventually, but it's not a priority.
My mom won't let us share a bed if we
come see them for any reason. When we came over
this last summer, my boyfriend suggested, we're into a hotel
so we have some privacy and a comfortable bed. It
drove my mom nuts that we bypassed her little rules.

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She wouldn't drop it the entire time we were there.
She made a promise she made me promise not to
do it again. I'm sorry that would be a promise
I wouldn't make. My boyfriend's mom and dad are retired
to Mexico and they are really chill, so we may
plans to come visit them over Christmas. They're not Christian,
so they don't really care when they see They don't

(55:07):
really care when they see their son with regards to
religious holidays. We didn't tell my parents we weren't coming.
My mom asked me a Thanksgiving if I was going
to hold my promise and not to stay in a
hotel over Christmas. I answered truthfully that I would not
stay in a hotel. I am sitting here on the
balcony in my future in lost condo, looking at the Caribbean,

(55:28):
waiting for the sunrise and enjoying the peace and quiet.
I made the mistake of going online yesterday, and I
saw a bunch of posts my mom and sisters about
how I was a jerk for lying to them about
my plans. If you didn't, I may have been a
little tipsy last night because I decided to respond. I
said that it was ridiculous of them to try and
tell me I couldn't share room with my boyfriend, so

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that I was keeping my promise by not staying in
a hotel when we were there, and that if they
planned on putting everything on Facebook, I would be avoiding
all visits for the for seal future. Reasonable to me. Now, Oh,
they took down their posts when people started crapping on
them for trying to control me, but some people did

(56:11):
agree with them. Now they're texting me and calling to
say I was an asshole for making them look bad. Well,
I you know that phrase, you make yourself look bad, mam.
Someone else just shined the light on it. So whatever.
I asked them if they were trying to make me
look bad with their posts. They thought for a while,

(56:32):
but there were more texting voicemails this morning. I'm kind
of liking the idea of skipping out on the drama
from now on. Yeah. It it's my dad and he's
blameless than this. Wow, then go see your dog. Yeah,
have dad come visit you somewhere else. Totally Okay, So
there's an update. Oh god, Okay, So I said I
posted this about a year ago, and my mom and

(56:54):
sisters thought I was an asshole because I went to
Mexico with my boyfriend instead of appeasing her and making
him sleep on the cap. My little sister thought I
was wrong for not being able to spend nights away
from him. That's none of her business. Well, we're still
not married and my mom won't change her roles. So
we're visiting them though, and she accepts that we will
stay at a hotel. My sister Anna was one of

(57:16):
the howler monkeys bugging me because I lied about not
staying at a hotel last Christmas. She and her boyfriend
got more serious since then and they have gotten engaged.
On Valentine's Day last weekend, it was my dad's sixteenth birthday,
we all came home as per usual, I read in
an hotel and my mom told Anna that since my
old room was available, her fiance could stay there. My

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sister tried arguing, but my mom said there was no
way that they were sharing a room. Anna tried to
get me on her side. Since I no longer follow
any dumb rules, I laughed at her and reminded her
that she called me names for choosing to spend Christmas
with my boyfriend's family instead of putting up with our mom.
Karma coming to bite you right there in they she

(58:00):
started getting pissy and saying it's different because she's engaged
and I'm not. Our baby sister spoke up and said
she already told mom that she was going to follow
my example if she ever gets serious with a guy.
I'm pretty sure my mom thinks I'm evil. Yeah. Anyway,
Anna is pissed and that I laughed at her for
trying to get away with something she scolded me about
a year ago. I just thought it was funny that

(58:21):
she thought the rules didn't apply to her. Ah. Yes,
she's my mom's favorite. It didn't help. No, I love that. First,
I want to say something my man. We're not married.
His father, Scandal, is a deacon of the Catholic Churner.
Really nice guy.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Yeah, he goes to church multiple times a week. He's
there all the time. He's doing his thing, he's loving it,
and he was the president of the school attached to
the church. He's a very religious man to be a deacon.
I mean, that's not like being a priest. But you
still you're a lie up in the You're a lay
person who's committed.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
That much time to church. Okay, every single time, Gab
and I have gone to La together. We stay in his.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
House and we he got us a new bed for
when we stay down there.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Like he there is no like issue with cohabitation, Like, no,
you're not married, you have to sleep separately.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
So correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't his siblings
in committed non married relationships? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
But like so it's funny to be like, oh, well,
my religious family, I'm like, bitch, my in laws are
members of the Catholic Church, Like, actual, do we have roles?

Speaker 2 (59:30):
What are you talking about? Right?

Speaker 3 (59:31):
And they're like, come on in, stay in the bed together.
You know, you know, at some.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Point, I think you figure out that these are you know,
archaic rules that just don't matter, and you're not the
judge and jury. Right, And honestly, if you said to me,
as a younger, unmarried person who is with my boyfriend, yeah,
you know you can't stay in the same room, I'd

(59:56):
be like, deuces, bye. I'm now as a younger person,
I probably wouldn't be able to afford a hotel, but
I probably would have said it, I'm not coming, you know, yeah,
because I'm not getting in a situation where you're going
to dictate how I'm living. Yeah, And like here's the
other thing too, is you just have corruption shit on

(01:00:17):
your mind, bitch, because you think that if people who
are in a relationship and not married come to your
house and stay sleep in a bed together, what's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
They're just gonna fornicate all over. They're gonna record sex
tapes and give it to children. Like, what do you
think is gonna happen? Because I can tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
What do you think happens the rest of the time
they're not at your house? Well? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
But my question But like you, I have never gone
with a partner that I was like in a serious
relationship with and stayed at like their parents' house or whatever,
and then decided to fool around.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Like, I think it's weird. I think it's a little weird.
And I mean, if you choose to, you need to
be discreet. It's not your house, right because you also
don't get to make all the noise in the it
and make everyone uncomfortable with your sex.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
No, So that that's what I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Would say, if if if there was if that mom
had a rule and was like no, because your older
brother brought his you know, partner here and they had
sex and it was uncomfortable for everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
And I couldn't have that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
So I don't want anyone coming here who's not married,
right and or staying here as a couple. If she
had a reason for it other than religion, other than Jesus,
a practical reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, No, you're not
the asshole. I think it's great. It's screaming.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I'm with you, and I think that it's hilarious. You
told the truth. You weren't staying in a hotel. You
were staying in a condo. Yeah, in another country. Yeah,
and medic So I love that. Yeah, that is so
funny to me. I also wanted to go a little
shout out to our friend Lori Lee, who sent me
a little email saying that our last week because we
were trying something new with his sound, try and get

(01:01:49):
it better, and she said it was great. Love, So
thank you Lori Lee for that and the little Christmas
Greedy sent us. It was beautiful. Yeah, and hopefully you're
not up to your ass and snow up there. I mean,
but it is so I'm sure she is about a
couple of weeks ago, she was texting me, Oh, the
big storms coming in, and I was like, uh, oh, yeah,

(01:02:10):
here's why I don't live there, one of the one
of the many reasons, right, But anyway, the pop sation
of Montana is our neighborhood. That's it, right, So I
have to go now because I just have so many
things and I'm gonna taken it up. And that seems
like one of the things I should do. A nap
sounds fantastic, agreed. So, uh, this brings us to the

(01:02:33):
end of the show. And I'm going to tell you
that we are here every week. We wait, next week,
it'll be Christmas Eve. Oh yeah, oh my god, it'll
be Christmas Eve. And so I think we should share
some like our favorite Christmas memories. Okay, I'll think of some.
Find one. Yeah, I will surge that one time. Anyway,

(01:02:54):
And if you would like to tell us about some
of your Christmas traditions or memories or things that you
think are fun or terrible with your family on Christmas,
love to hear you, send us a little email and
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we'll talk about it on the air next time. And
we'll talk at you next week. We will, indeed bye.
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