IT_S PARANORMAL TONIGHT - Christina Englehardt

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Speaker 1 (01:07):
From Hollywood. It's Paranormal Tonight. I'm Mark Summers and now
here's your host, Dan Harari, Danhirari, that's me once again.
Hello everybody, Welcome to Live from Hollywood. It is Paranormal Tonight.
I'm Dan Hurrari. This is my little studio office here

(01:28):
in Beverly Hills. And tonight I have a very dear
friend of mine who's our special guest, and she lives.
She lives a few blocks away also at Beverly Hills,
so I'm gonna get to her in a second. Hope
you all had a nice holiday Thanksgiving, and you have
nice plans for Christmas in the new year and all
these wonderful things. Thank you all the people that email

(01:50):
me with nice notes and social media things. I'm glad
you enjoyed my show. I enjoy doing it very much.
And in fact, my first show in January will be
the ninth, and that'll be exactly one year since I
started the show with Margie Kay and Race Hobbs, my
brother Race, who is my producer. So we're coming up

(02:12):
on a year of this show. And let me get
into my guests here for tonight tonight, we have a
friend of mine like me. She is a native of
New Jersey. Her name is Christina Engelhart. She's had many
careers in the entertainment industry. She's worked as an actress,
a model, a photographer, a film producer, and an author.

(02:32):
She's based here in La actually down the street for me,
like I said, in Beverly Hills. And today she runs
a company you may have heard of. It's called Fleischer
and Aimation Studios. Fleischer is home to Popeye and Betty Boop,
and we're going to talk about Betty Boop at the
end of tonight's episode. Here. As a teenage model, Christina

(02:55):
had a secret relationship with none other than Woody Allen
in New York City for seven years, and we're going
to talk about that. From nineteen eighty four to ninety six,
Christina served as a muse to the great Italian filmmaker
Federico Fellini. She accompanied him on set during the production
of his final four films, and she also shared with

(03:17):
him a highly mysterious adventure among the Mayan pyramid ruins
of the Yucatan Peninsula, where she and Felini met the
legendary literary shaman Carlos Castaneda. So when we talk about that.
In nineteen eighty four, an interdimensional entity which called itself You,

(03:38):
began to reveal itself to Christina and Felini through many
dozens of phone calls for years. And that's just huge.
And we're going to talk a lot about this interdimensional
voice that she heard for years that told her things
to do, called you. You also presented Christina with a

(03:58):
private UFO experience on the night of her wedding in Italy,
which was a pretty cool story. She believes that you
purposely brought her and Fellini together to inspire Fellini during
the production of his final films. Christina produced an award
winning documentary called Towards the Moon with Fellini, in which

(04:18):
she filmed Fellini on the sets of some of his
final movies, and she also chronicled her experiences with Fellini
in her wonderful book, also called Towards the Moon with Fellini.
Here's the book, Christina, I'm giving you a plug hair
for your book. I love this book. Okay, I've read
this book twice. This is a really good book. Towards

(04:40):
the Moon with Fellinia Memoir by Christina Engelhardt. I can't
do it right because it's got a glare there, but
by this book, it's a great book. I've read it twice.
A devotee of the clairvoyant who comes from a bloodline
of psychics and healers, Christina has spent the better part
of her life studying ancient beliefs, sorcery, magic, and they.

(05:00):
She's had unique experiences with shamans, astrologers, philosophers, and theologians.
She's one of the most interesting people that I think
I've probably met in my forty five years in Hollywood.
So okay, raise, let's bring in the one and only
my friend, Christina Engelhart. Here she is, there, there she is. Hi.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Hello, Hello, dear friend.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
How did I do with that? Was that law?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Thank you for honoring all the nuances that make our
lives and our energies and our connections to the little
things in life, to the chapters. If life's a book,
our many chapters are many pages and hopefully some great
words in the making.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
That's very sweet. Also, I neglected to say Christina is
one of the founding members of my group called the
Hollywood Disclosure Alliance, and she's coming to our holiday party
next Saturday. So I can't wait to see you there
in person. Okay, So I have some dope questions because
this is a dopey show. So let's go through these
and we'll just rock and roll acars the ass. All right,

(06:09):
here we go. All right, first question, tell us a
little bit about your childhood, where you were from, what
your interests were as a child, and a little bit
about your parents, who they were and what they did.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Okay, So obviously my parents are immigrants from Germany, and
I didn't learn to really speak English, even though I'm
born in New Jersey, I didn't really learn to speak
English until probably kindergarten because my parents didn't become citizens
until I was seven years old. They had to be
sponsored to come in to the United States because their

(06:43):
childhood was World War two Germany. They had bombs dropping
on their homes. They saw truly the crimes and the
criminals of war. And they were not the people that
you know, were out there on the front fields, you know,
doing the fighting. They were the ordinary people who were,
you know, dodging from bullets and truly sad stories. So

(07:07):
I kind of grew up with hearing these stories and
feeling very empathetic to my family, and of course saying,
what's war, what's this? What's that? Who are these? And
also I'm a combination of three religions Lutheran, Catholic, and Jewish,
and they were all fighting amongst themselves. So I just
felt this enormous burden, Oh my gosh, everything that's been

(07:28):
in the lineage of history, of theology of religion. It
made it piqued my interests. Why were these three religions,
all loving God, fighting amongst each other? And you say, well,
what do you mean the Lutherans and the Catholics. Let
me tell you they did not get along in Europe
and we say Lutheran then, and northern Europe it was Protestants.

(07:53):
It's pretty much all the things. And that went on
for years and the bloodshed was terrible. And I kind
of grew up hearing that. And my grandmother from my mother,
my mother's mother, she was a card reader and during
World War two, that's how she got food on the table.
She would read for other women who lost their husbands,

(08:15):
or is my husband coming back? Or where what's going on?
And she read throughout the war and when I and
she learned from her grandmother, and that grandmother learned from
her grandmother. So I'm the first granddaughter, as the story goes.
And when I was about six years old, seeing my
grandmother in Germany, because we were flying back and forth

(08:37):
from New Jersey to Germany. I call myself a Jersey German,
and of course I saw her doing this, and I
was like, immediately, what are you doing? And she was like,
shushing me away. You know you're too young, but you
are the family member who's supposed to inherit this gift.
And I bothered her that day until she said, fine,

(08:58):
here's your lesson. Da da da da da da da da.
So within ten minutes there was all the cards laid
out and I absorbed it like a sponge. And from
that moment on, that's what I absorbed myself with. Other
kids were playing barbies or doing this or that. I
was doing metaphysics. By the age of ten, I was
buying books on astrology. I bought my first des I

(09:22):
went from minor econ to major econ and so it
just kept growing, and by the time I was fifteen,
I had a library of esoteric books. And because I
was kind of isolated from not people really figuring me
out and being isolated as a child, post war and
living in a Jewish neighborhood, so nobody liked me, and

(09:42):
so I mean, I tried to be understanding, and I
felt so bad as a child, like, oh, my God,
my inheritance, my people. And of course, as we come
today to understand, people will fight over anything in war.
If there's money, if there's power, if there's ego, if
there's negativities, there's a good chance there'll be some kind

(10:05):
of a war. And it breaks my heart. And here
we are, We're always in this perpetual who's fighting who's
somewhere in the world, And I kind of having that
as a background, and it haunted me. And I say
that and a lot of people I would read for
I would. I felt connected to those people who died

(10:25):
unexpectedly or were taken through or were taken in untimely matters. So,
having already an esoteric background, having already studied astrology, I
also had this echo of the spirits that were kind
of wandering and felt like where am I? What happened?
And it was all stories of my own relatives. I

(10:49):
felt them in dreams. So I had that chapter of
my life. So by the time I was fifteen sixteen
I was an esoteric child and I couldn't relate to
people my own age. And we moved from the Jersey Shore,
from Asbury Park to Asbury, New Jersey. There's two Asbury's
in New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I know you're the only person. Yeah, so I'm from
Asbury Park is people Park.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
And I went from one Asbury to.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
The other to the other, which I know. And of
course there's hate Ashbury which people always confuse me, you
know with the age. All right, so speaking of age fifteen,
I have to do this. I have to embarrass you.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
So but that was how I was prepared to what
you're going to ask me. I have a feeling.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Oh yeah, you know exactly. How could I not? All right,
So Christina, you were fifteen years old. You're walking home
from school someday one day a guy pulls up in
a fancy car with a diamond earring, and he says
to you, you should be a model. All right, race,
let's let's put up number one one. Please look at you,
I mean look at you. You were like unbelievably attractive.

(11:52):
He gave you a contact in New York and you
started your modeling career. What was that era like for
you there.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
She's still attracted.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Please, thank you, thank you well. And that's true. We
moved that Asbury, New Jersey. When we moved from the
park to the to the woods. I mean when I
say woods, our driver was like a half a mile long,
and our road was called gravel Hill Road, and.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
That says it all. Yeah, gravel gravel Hill Road.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Our addresses rural Route number one.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Gravel Hill does like Green Acres that you lived. You
lived green Acres in New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well even probably more wild because they at least had farms.
This was truly wilderness.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
And why did you trust sorry, wait, hell, then you're fifteen,
a strange man comes. Didn't your parents ever tell you
don't talk to men and cars? You know it was strangers?
What made you trust this guy?

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, I'm just walking up gravel Hill Road and this
car speeds up. Stop back, well and he leans out.
He didn't get out of his car, and he said,
you should be a model. And here's you know, and
here I know who you should contact if you go
to New York r.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
And as a spiritual psychic person. Did you have the
feeling like, yeah, I think he's right, or did you
just know right away?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well, you have to understand, I went from the shore
to isolation. We lived. We had over one hundred acres
and we were on the top of a mountain and
we had thousands of acres. Truly, we're the only house
within the mile. And I was bored out of my tears.
But again, I was doing my metaphysical work. I was studying,

(13:35):
I was doing poetry, playing guitar, you know, all of
those personal growth things that you do when you're isolated.
And I just knew that I was going to reach
out into the world. I mean, that's I mean. And
I was already doing astrology. I knew my astrology that
I was a psychic creative healer, and how was I

(13:57):
going to show up in the world. And here goes
a guy driving down the road, I think his name
was Gary, and he hands me a card and he
also had great instinct, And I said, you, being a Sagittarius,
you know we are one for adventure. So I.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
You went with it. You went for it, and you
went with it all right. So you had a relationship
with Woody Allen in New York for seven years. Race
number two. Please, how did you meet him? I know
you met him Edie Lanees and tell us briefly how
you met him and what was that era like for you.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Well, once again, I live in the country and going
to high school and going into New York. Because when
I started going to New York that that guy who
gave me the card was to a photographer, a very
well known photographer, fashion photographer. So he did my first

(14:54):
screen tests and he did my first head shots, and
with that I went to different agents. I did, you know,
up and down the streets, going to different houses. I
started doing seventeen magazine coed magazines. I got with Wilhelmina,
so I was doing what most models do. And then
I'd show up after school. I'd take a bus or sometimes,

(15:16):
you know, I was able to get my schedule well
situated because school's over by two three, and I took
a bus and then I would, you know, plan my
schedules so I could stay in the city overnight, because
I got friends with somebody who lived out in New Jersey,
that photographer, and he let me stay at his house.
And so I kind of built a family of manhattanites

(15:39):
who supported me in my modeling career. They just said,
you know, and there was the eternal torture, you know,
if you could only lose another fifteen pounds. And I
was starving myself, you know, with the classic models. But anyway,
I was tall enough, thin enough, and I showed up
to all the auditions and I did all the teenage

(16:00):
stuff co ed seventeen, you know, that era of magazines
and such. And one night with this photographer, God bless him,
Andy Unangst, fabulous photographer. He said, let's go out to
dinner tonight, and you know, you can crack because he
always let me crash on his sofa. And he was

(16:20):
really a gentleman. He was like a brother to me
because he lived out in New Jersey, so he knew
my parents. So it was like the small world. I
felt very protected. And that night we went to Elane's
and I had just done one of my seventeen magazine
and so, you know, I was full of myself. You
know that I got my first seventeen spread with you know,

(16:41):
doing fashion and food and clothing, all the things that
they have in those magazines. And I'm sitting in a
lane and I could look across and there's whatdy Allen
staring at me, And of course he was clever to
place his table where he sat right next to the
ladies room. So I figured, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
But that's a good move. I'm gonna have to try
try that sometimes.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Steering me the whole night. And I was with at
least ten people at this nice round table, and it
was so obvious, and I just thought, oh, I'll just
be silly, and I took the little cocktail napkin and
I unfolded it and inside I wrote, and the tiniest
letter is my phone number. Folded it up on the outside,
I wrote, you signed enough autograph, here's mine. And I

(17:27):
walked by to use the lady's room. I dropped in
front of him, walked to the restroom, walked back to
finished my dinner, and went home and just I never
thought anything of it. And then three days later I
had an answering service called bells or ringing. That was
what you did back then. You know, you didn't have
if you didn't have the taper box, and you traveled
a lot, you had you'd call in and they'd tell

(17:48):
you what your messages are. And they said so and
so called so and so called, mister Allen called so,
And I didn't think it all mister Allen. Who's mister Allan?
So I called back this number, and you know, this
woman answers the phone mister Allen's residence and I go,
and I didn't know how to approach. I said, I

(18:09):
know a lot of mister Allen's. Which mister Allen is this?
This is Weddy Allan? Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh. And that's that's when you started to see I
want to move ahead. We have so much to do.
Race number three please all right. So you were the
real life inspiration Christina for the Mary L. Hamyway character
Tracy in Manhattan the movie? Would you say, is that correct?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I would say I am probably a compulation, because remember
he is that kind of artist, like Felini, like other
great artists, like Picasso, they sometimes have one muse, but
many of them have multiple mews. They take the variety
of and they create this new character. But I felt

(18:54):
because I was there at the time, and he, of
all the girls that I found out later that he
might have had other relationships with, she was the closest
to my appearance. So I felt like he cherry picked
this character Tracy. So I do feel I was a
great influence, you know, I can't say I'm the one,

(19:14):
but I can say I am a fragment of that.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Okay, I think that's true. All right, Race number four.
So it's just real quick and we don't want to
talk about the controversy. But when the controversy happened with Woody,
you were in the news. If anyone is to google
your name, as you know, because it's like you and
Woddy Allen is everything that comes up, you know, not
even the Fellini stuff, it's the Woody and stuff. What's

(19:41):
that like for you now? So many years later?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
You know, once somebody said watch out for getting ink
because if you ask for it, you get it. So
you know, it was funny because it was right at
the height of the Me Too movement, and I had
people approached me and saying, we know you were with Woody,
and Ronan Pharaoh was one of them who said, listen,

(20:05):
you're no stranger. We know about you, so we want
you to be part of this movement. And I said, well,
I wasn't a victim. I really cared about this relationship,
So you know, I will say that you know, I
was probably not young. I was too young to make

(20:25):
certain decisions, so I'll take responsibility for being too young,
and I'll also you know, hand out responsibility for someone
older knowing that. But you know, remember I studied theology
throughout history. That was pretty normal to have, you know,
that scenario. So at that time, I didn't think it

(20:45):
was that unusual. And also I thought, I remember my ego.
I thought I was that special that someone like him
would see me, because that's.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Why you are, well you are, you are that special.
I mean you were with you were with one of
the world's all time great comedic geniuses.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yes, unquestioned comedic genius.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
You were with him in an innocent age for you
and for him, you know, And I mean I told
you he was in high school and college he was.
He and John Lennon were my hero. So you have nothing,
if anything, I think it's just a fascinating couple of
years of your life. But you have to be with
this guy.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
In lieu of the Me Too movement, and so you know,
I'm trying to walk through that error, that moment in
time where women finally have a voice to say this
was uncomfortable, this was wrong. You know a lot of
women were victims. I wasn't claiming a victim but in
a way people said, yes, you were, you just didn't
know it. But I will say this that I wanted

(21:50):
to go through the Me Too movement without making men
angry or without making women angry. I wanted to take
responsibility for what I thought. I was a very evolved soul,
and you know, I was glad that women could stand
up for themselves. And here was the one big call.

(22:11):
The thing that I took away from the HBO special
that was also done on this was, you know, if
the question is, would you allow your children, your daughters,
your teenage daughters to date a forty two year old man,
I said absolutely not. And yet I could say that
as my adult self, but my childhood self at that time,

(22:32):
because there was no me too, there was no evolution.
It was all hush. So that is the I'd like
to finish it on. That is the understanding I took
with and the responsibility.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Okay, sure, I understand that we have a few minutes
and we could start here. In nineteen eighty four, your
friend Jerry Demarlow, a psychic in New York City, told
you to move immediately to Los Angeles because on a
certain date you were going to meet a famous Italian
movie director. You did, and it happened exactly like she predicted.
How scary was it to move to La then? And

(23:06):
how did you meet that famous man?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
And race?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Let's put up number five? Please raise number five? All right,
that's Frederico Fellini, and Christina tell us that little story
in the next three minutes before we have commercial.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
So obviously I'm living in Manhattan. I left the Heigh
schoo when I got out of high school. I stayed
in Manhattan, of course, to be near Woody, to be modeling,
to be all of those things. And because of my
interest in esoteric work, I met Jerry Demarlow who was
born nineteen nineteen, and she was like a psychic mama.
I had someone I could really develop. I was doing tero.

(23:42):
She taught me more astrology. So we had a great,
great exchange, and she was giving me readings and she
was blowing my mind away. And she was someone who
was foddering an expression of me being a reader combining
astrology in tero numerology. So the readings I do today
are very similar to what she was doing. And she

(24:03):
had said to me after many years, that's it, kid,
I want you to get out of New York. Pack
your bags. You're not coming back. You might visit, but
you're not coming back to live. You're going to move
to LA. You have to be there by October twentieth,
and this is maybe like end of August, so I
had half months. You have to be in La on

(24:24):
October twentieth. You're going to meet a famous Italian director.
You're going to move to Rome and you're going to
hear voices from out of space. Get out, and she
literally shoots me out. She's never done that before. I
was like, oh my god. I mean, she was adamant,
and she was basically saying she wanted me to stop
this relationship. You know who what we were talking about

(24:47):
that was going nowhere, and she was watching out for
me and lo and behold. On October twentieth, the phone rang.
A lady called, said, you don't like me, and I
don't like you, but I have to go to a
dinner with an Italian director and I can't go alone
and I've called everybody and nobody can come. And you're

(25:08):
at the bottom of my shitless now, you know, forget that.
But she didn't know that I was there waiting for
this call. So I said, all right, I'm ready, are you?
Shall I meet you? You picked me up? Yes, we'll
come pick you up. And lo and behold, limousine pulls
up in front of my home like an hour or
two hours later, and I get in the car, not

(25:29):
knowing who I was going to meet, and I'm getting
into a limo with an entourage of Italian filmmakers, and
lo and behold, a gentleman turns to me, Chiao, sono
Fidico Fellini, And I'm like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
That's all right. So we have to we have to
take a break. But it's amazing that your psycho friend
told you exactly what was going to happen, Sack, and
it happened exactly that way. I don't know that I've
ever heard anything quite that remarkable. All right, race, take
a quick break, pay a few bills, come back with
Christina Engelhart.

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Speaker 1 (29:42):
And we're back and we're live like from Hollywood paranormal
tonight with my little blood friend Christina. There you are.
We have so much to do now, so I want
to allow for some stuff with you. Between eighty four
and ninety six, you and Fellini were haunted by a
mysterious voice you both believed was not of this earth
and possibly not even of this dimension. Voice called itself

(30:05):
you and spoke.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
To you and Felini over the phone many many times,
making odd demands, offering counseling, and the voice told Collini
he was to be a conduit to help mankind to
an orchestrated and carefully crafted plan.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
These are your words that I'm stealing. You were part
of that plan, and I know the voice beep. You
and Fellini and all the members of his aunts are
different colors. So Race number six tell us about the colors.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
And Fellini, and that this era when you're now living
in Italy and hanging with Billini all the time.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Race number six.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
So obviously that October twentieth, the phone rings and I
tell you that I'm picked up, and I get into
a limo and this gentleman says, I chio sono fi Felini.
We go to dinner, and while we're sitting at dinner,
the person who invited me was mister Fellini. You know,
Christina does terror in astrology, as if it were something wrong.

(31:04):
And he said, oh, but I like that, and she says, well,
you know I'm spiritual. Look I have a crystal. And
I opened my purse. I had a crystal and she said,
look I have too, And I opened my purse and
I said one for you, one for you. I gave
everyone a crystal. All we happy now. So the goal
was is I was trying to make this connection and
Feederniko thought this was very funny, almost like an energetic

(31:24):
cat fight. But you know, I was getting along with everybody, right.
And so we finished the dinner and now they're bringing
me home and they were dropping me off, and I'm thinking,
I just left New York City. I left everything for
a dinner to shake hands and say hello to Fellini.
I thought, oh, this can't happen. So I said, everyone,
can I please invite you into my home. I have

(31:46):
a wonderful slide show of photography because as a photographer
a hobbyist, I'd like to invite you. So the girl
said no, thank you. She had other things to do.
But Felini's ento. I came into my living room and
I used to take a picture off the wall and
turn on my projector, and I have these wall sized
images of all this photography I did around the world.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
I'm sorry, Race, we can kill that picture please, okay,
I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
And among those pictures was Chiech needs a touloum ouk
small because I would go to Tulum. I just found that,
you know, unusual place to visit. I was called to it.
So while he's sitting there and I was playing George
Winston music, the images on the wall, and Feldiko turned
to me when he saw Chiech needs a toulum He's
He said, oh, you know the voices. Have they told you?

(32:32):
Have they contacted you? And I said, I don't know voices.
I have my voices. I don't know about your voices,
and he said no. So they finished the slide show,
and he was very upset or very agitated by these images.
I didn't know that the following day they're going there
to meet Carlos Custiniede. So thank you very much, thank

(32:52):
you for the slide show, wonderful good night, and they
get up and leave, and then I'm thinking to myself,
good night, good night. I left New York. I left everything,
I literally for a slideshow and a dinner. I couldn't
have that. So I stayed up all night with knowing
all my esoteric the cards, this that I wrote a package.

(33:13):
I literally stayed up all night because I thought this
is important, and I just shoved everything in a big
Manila envelope and I'm like, Okay, what hotel is he
staying in. I'm you know, a lot of celebrities, they
don't leave their real names. So I figured I'm going
to call everyone, and the hotel, the Hilton is there,
mister Felini saying yes, there is.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I'm like.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah. I was like, oh, I'm on something. So I
drive there at seven in the morning because I stayed
up all night in my little jogging suit and my
little package, and I'm standing at the concierge kind of
just you know, with my eyes closed, holding onto this,
waiting to have, you know, to drop this off. And
the person in front of me turns around, grabs my
shoulders and shaking me, and I look up and it's

(33:59):
fed the Eco and he said, the voice has told
me to be here at this time because the chosen
One is here. And he said, you from last night,
come come up to the room. So he tells me
about the voices what this means. Now I'm hearing and
here's entourage is there, and he goes, She's the one,
and why.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
You you had not yet heard the voice yourself at
that point.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
But while I'm in the room, the phone rings, said that.
He go picks it up, and he was very wobbling.
He's repeating.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
He hangs up, and he said, the voices want you.
They've they've put this moment together. You are to come
with us.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
To Italy to tell him, to tell him and and
then he goes on to tell me, well, first I
can see what this phone call means.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
And he says he thought the phone call was Castangnieda
playing tricks because Castaigneda is and was a trickster. He
would he was a game player. We can imagine that,
so he thought, because the whole reason why Fiddica was
in Italy, went from Italy to America was to meet

(35:16):
Carlos Castinieda. Was he was proposing a movie deal with
his books because Filadica was at point in his life
that he had done certain films and he thought, I
think that I could do a compilation and create something
very magical, and that's what was so exciting to him.
And he had met Carlos previously, years earlier in Rome,

(35:41):
and Carlos had told him that Don Juan had said
that he and Carlos had gone to see I Think
Blastrada in Mexico, and Don Juan said, one day you're
going to meet that director and he's going to tell
you something very magical. So for Carlos, he thought it's
about my films. Instead, when we met him, we told

(36:04):
him why are you calling us, why are you making
these messages? Why are you making this esoteric? And as
we were telling him in a.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Group in Mexico, in Mexico, so in Tulum.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
He got up and he said, I didn't do no
such thing. He got really annoyed because Fidinika was very
dogmatic and saying, no, you've been harassing us, and Carlos
was saying, I didn't do any such thing, and he
got perturbed and he left the room, never to be seen.
So on the return back from Mexico, Faddico thought, wow,

(36:38):
I came all the way from Rome. I spent all
this money. Nothing happened, but the phone calls kept happening.
And the voice who gave us all colors, Fadico was green,
Andrea de Carlo was blue, Mari sa Grimaldi was orange.
Then we had a yellow one. Then we had a
blue one, and and so and I was the pink one,

(37:00):
and so we had a violent one, and we had
a white one. So they were picking. So this story
that I'm telling you is not just me saying this
to you. There was an entourage of people.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
No, I know, I've read your book twice. And well,
let me ask you when, when and where did you
get that very first call from you on the phone.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Where were you I left that first time that I
met for the ego with the package in the hotel room,
and I left. I went back home because we're going
to you know, we're going to be traveling. I got
a call.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
That was your first time you got the call.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
I got a call and they called me. First. I
was called the Spur. First I was called the Chosen One.
Then I was called the Physical one. I had two names.
They weren't quite sure before they gave colors. And they
basically said, we recognize you. You have to stay. They wanted.

(37:57):
They were trying to say, we recognized you, and we
don't want you to be afraid. That was the first
thing that was very important. We see you, we recognize you,
and don't be afraid.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Was it? Now? Can you can you the phone? I
don't I don't want to put you on this, but
can you like imitate, like, hello Christina? How are you like? How? What?
What was it like?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
This nineteen eighty four? It was a It sounded like
a mechanical voice. Weird where we are talking? It's okay,
so the phone ring I would pick it up. It
sounded like a you're talking on a walkie talkie, so
you're sound you know, you know the sound of a

(38:40):
walkie talkie. And from that you hear this metallic voice
in a non female, non really a metallic voice saying
and as I'm getting this soon, as I pick up
and I hear that sound, i am shaking and I'm sweating,
and I'm feeling something like I've never felt before in

(39:03):
my life. And it was very scary. And they're telling
me don't be afraid, and that they are that I
am welcomed in this communication. That was the first during
the trip. There was no while we were traveling chasing
Cassaniera in the jungles because Carlos he would do these

(39:24):
little gusta He'd tell us to meet us here and
then he wouldn't show up and we'd meet him there.
So the whole trip to Tuloom was a feudal wild
goose chase, as I said, to finally meet Carlos. And
then when we told him, why are you making these calls?
Why do other things? He freaked out. He just cute
by making us run around the jungle like ha ha,

(39:46):
I'm I'm gonna make you here's your story, making us chase,
which pissed for did he go off like you know,
he had a temper. When we came back to La
that's when the calls started coming in and the voices said,
we have nothing to do with this man, Carlos Custanede,
don't do not, you know. But I'm thinking that somehow

(40:10):
because Don Juan, who was the character, this esoteric shaman
that Carlos saw, here's my thinking that Don Juan is
the real source and maybe we're connecting. But the voices said,
we have nothing to do with them. In the meantime,
they are calling Tulu Pinelli in Rome, speaking Italian and

(40:33):
giving them information. So they randomly called different people at
different timelines supporting fed Eco. In my journey, what was
to be that there is a film, that we're supposed
to do something with colors music, that there is a message,
And they were showing us also that they were outside
the timeline. They would tell me something and it would

(40:56):
happen the next day or the day after, or the
two weeks after after, Like there was no way that
this could have been planned or you know, put together
like a joke. So they were already showing us in
that moment that they are outside of a timeline. And
one of the things they had said to Tulio and
within our group that they are on a different dimension.

(41:18):
They were not born, they are not died, they are
not in our realm of what we call the living
species or entities. They are in another realm and for
them to make a phone call, they had to it
was it was like an enormous amount of energy to
reach out and make a contact and to use the phone.

(41:39):
It wasn't like a light thing like they pick up
and dial anywhere. I did not pick up on a spaceship. However,
they did appear to me, and they were your classic
alien looking long faces, big eyes, and they were shape shifting.
They were blue, silver, gold or.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Dreams. Wasn't that in dreams had.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
The ability to render me like stiff or I was
sitting in the chair and they all of a sudden
my eyes were closed and I was frozen and I
couldn't move, And they would appear to me and I
could feel them touching me and pushing on me.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
That was very scary, yea.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
And they were telepathic. They would tell me in my
mind and then they were gone. Literally I would fall
off the chair because I felt that pressure trying to
open my eyes to see them, even though they let
me see them with my eyes closed. It was so
scary they were there, was truly scary. I was I

(42:39):
almost didn't want to see them, but I can't never
get their thoughts out of the mind. And the irony is,
when I was a teenager in the forest of that
New Jersey, I painted. I was a painter. I painted
their face and at one point I will you know
it's I don't think it's in my book, but I
have paint of them decades before that. This realization was

(43:04):
but in their contacting me, and for me this was
a big deal. They had said that we that we
should call them you, and I thought to myself, why
are they saying the word you? And I think it
was you know how we say thank you, you're welcome.
This word you is a personal word, but it's also
as it's as well as personal, it's also pointing to you.

(43:28):
It's like a me and a you. At the same moment,
I felt that the word you was meant to be energetic.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Well, in their case, it was plural. It was plural.
It was it wasn't one person calling you, it was
many many entities were calling you as you as one thing.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yes. So they had to do this as a is
a collective energy, and this took a lot from them.
That's why I felt as it was taking a lot
of them to make the call. That's why I said
that Eco and everyone from the group who did receive
the call, we felt this like almost like as like
an energy drain, because it was for me, but it

(44:06):
was as well for them. So I thought that was
very interesting.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Can we get all right, I'm tired to interrupt you.
Can we get you two? When you moved to Italy,
when you decided after the tone and they went back,
and then you went and you moved to relocated to Italy.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Well, they said to me, you must stay near the
green one. I was the pink one. They kept saying,
stay near the green one. Likes to be supportive as
the green one. So I moved to Rome. I said,
there was no point in me being la. There was
no story, there was no audition. There was nothing in
my realm of world that was more interesting. And I

(44:44):
felt this was my calling. I really felt that that
I've made something so phenomenal in my life. I had
to take it to the end. And Fiddica was so magical,
truly magical. One is just also a good person. And
so there I am. I'm in Rome, and Fidridico said,
you know right away because we had this secret this voices.

(45:05):
I mean a few people knew about it, like the
journalist Vincenzo Molika, and the people on the entourage, and
even Julieta Messina. We told her. So we told an
inner circle of Fiddico about this, and I was the
girl so along. He called me his little sister, so

(45:25):
everybody knew that I was sort of like this angel.
And my last name is angel Heart, so he that's
how he treated me as his angel, and he took
me everywhere. I was this token friend who when the
phone calls would come, we could reason, we could throw
eaching and tarot cards. So all of a sudden, I
was twenty four to seven with Fildico, and Julieta was
was fine because she knew.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
That's right, because his wife.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yes, Julieta Messina his wife, right.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I loved that. So how long were you? How long
did you live in Italy the first go round that
you were there?

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Well, I moved there. So even though this happened in
eighty four, I and that happened in October, and Fadico
and then are between October and November, the trips that
back and forth, and so right then he flies back
in December, and now by January, what am I doing

(46:18):
in La there? And I was getting phone calls, phone calls, called,
call the green one, call the green one. Tell him this,
tell him that. And I just said, okay, I'm going
to Rome. LUs. I remember Jerry DeMarlo said you're going
to Rome. So I just started traveling to it.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
But you didn't. You didn't tell Felini you were I'm
on my way. I'm coming you just you know.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I said I'm coming. He said please. He knew, oh no, no, no,
I wouldn't. Just I said, I'm I'm coming in. He
was getting calls. So he felt like that I would
be a great support system to this, this great mystery.
He called it a haunting. He felt haunted because they
wanted something with music and colors, and he said, how

(47:01):
can I make a film about people? If I tell
this film, They're going to think I'm crazy. And in fact,
the book Towards the Moon with Fellini is homage to
the documentary the mockumentary film that I did Towards the
Moon with Fellini alongside him while he was directing the
Voice of the Moon, his final film, Lavochluna, The Voice

(47:25):
of the Moon, and that was this voice, and so
he tried to take because he did a graphic novel.
So before the film came out, graphic novel, tripped to
to Loom. There were are this is a beautiful this
is our story graphically done by Milo Manada, brilliant. I'm
so sorry out of publication, but it's a collector's find. Yeah,

(47:47):
and to me, that's a storyboard for any kind of
movie that's ever going to happen. And so I'm in
Rome trying to, of course support him, trying to because
the voices are telling me there's a film, there's a film.
So Fididiko says, okay, I'm going to do the Voice
of the Moon. But he tells me, I cannot do

(48:08):
the true story. I did the graphic novel, which I
wish was of us going to meet Carlos Castinieda in
the jungle. So he felt like that's a story for
storyboard for that, but the voices were not satisfied. They
wanted a feature. What voices thinks of this? This is
like I can't understand even the aliens know about the

(48:29):
movie business and as as a collective conscious So of
course instead of me playing a small role in some
of the other films that I did with Fiddico, I said,
let me follow you. Let me play as the journalist
like he always has a journalist in all this movies.
So this time I'm the journalist seeking the answers. And

(48:52):
by the way, Towards the Moon with Fellini, the documentary
I have on YouTube for anybody to see, and I'll
tell you what. I'm giving it away this film. So
if you just google on YouTube, or I should say
you search on YouTube Towards Room with Fellini, there you
can see the trailer. Fedico is my co star, right,

(49:14):
and that that was so unique, that is that's truly
an honor and an honor and an honor to have
that happen.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
That's very cool. Wait, hold on, hold on, I have
a little surprise race number eight. Can we jump ahead
number eight? All right, this is your wedding day you
got you fell in love with an Italian. Fellini was
at your wedding, which is so cool. And then that night, Christina,
the U Interdimensional people gave you a UFO show right

(49:42):
on your wedding night. So tell us about that the
UFO event.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
So Jenia Capucco was a second a d to Fedidico,
and of course I'm on all the sets and we
meet and we fall in love, and you know, and
to me, he was sort of like with all the
working with Fiddico and all the esoterics, and I have
this very unique relationship with Fediico, and I'm kind of

(50:10):
pulled away from my own country learning Italian. I fall
madly in love with el Janey Capucco. He's a wonderful,
talented person. And so Fiddico gives his blessing to our marrying.
I picked eight, eight eighty eight at eight and by
the way, the whole time, e Jenia was hearing the

(50:31):
story with the voices, and he says, what is this crazy? Why? Why?
When I leave the room, the voice is called, why
do you need to see Fididiico every day? He will
couldn't understand it. And then at the day of our wedding,
the voices call him voice. So he has that feeling,
that experience. So I'm I'm getting ready to get married.

(50:54):
Before he leaves to get married, and he comes into
the bathroom, he goes they called, they called, They spoke
to me, and they spoke Italian, and they said that
we wish we could be at your wedding. But of
course we spoke Italian to each other, and he said,
in Italian, the word alien didn't exist. The word was Marciani,
which is Martians. I mean Marciana and portraia vero, matrimonia,

(51:19):
machivolio guardare. I call tempo agent to do it.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Anything you DoD, bless you whatever, hell you.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
So what the voices said to Janua, which he said
to me, he said, the voices said, we wish we
could be at your wedding. We cannot, but we will
watch from above and just look up at twenty two
twenty two, which you know military time, that's ten twenty two. Okay,
So we're having this wedding. Everything is wonderful, and I'm
looking at the clock because I like it's okay. So

(51:48):
we go to the rooftop and we're.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Just you and him, just going in because.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
He got the call, and he knows everything that I'm
going through.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
With these voices, you were you were expecting close encounters
of the I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I well, I was already used to them, because remember
I've already had one hundred calls. This was his first.
And so we're looking.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
Up at the sky and I see a plane, a
light right, like a plane close enough, not a star,
not a planet, which you can think further up, but
like a plane, and it makes a figure eight.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Oh, that's interesting to take your eight on eight eight.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Eight eight eight. And they chose the time twenty to
twenty two two four six eight interesting four two's which
was eight.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
That's also the sympole for infinity.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Correct. Oh, I didn't know that right, So all of
that and and that's why as a as a numerologist,
as an into it, I picked that date as well.
I thought, well, if we're gonna get married in eighty
eight eight eight eighty eight at eight and then these voices,
so he of course sees this little movement. He goes, ah,
that's nothing. I go, oh, are you kidding? That's fair? Fantastic?

(53:01):
Are you can't ask for I've gotter sign now? Because
he was expecting gold to come down or gems or
you don't know what to expect. That was a brilliant, wonderful.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
And is that you was that your forgive me? I
want to go off for a second. Was have you
seen UFOs? Have you had UFO sightings? In addition to that,
one San.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I have seen glimmers of lights. I have seen orbs
that go from giant large to really small, come up
to my face.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
And move on really well.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Okay, so I've had a lot of ORB experience. I've
also had a lot of photographs. We have an orb
right here around me or over here, So I have
a lot of orbs that have stayed close to me.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
So you've not seen like because I've seen like four
metallic craft, you've not seen craft. It doesn't sound like
yours orbs are lights more.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, I have seen more like cloud clouded gray vision
of light. Yes, I think I've seen more of an
inter dimensional beings versus a spaceship. Even though I think
I saw the lights that I thought, wait, that could
have been one just like that figure eight going over
how who could have made that light? But a spaceship,

(54:17):
sure of course, But I would like to say because
they look so. When I came back to America and
I was walking by a bookstore Whitney Schreiber's book Communion
with the Lights and the Eyes, I stopped by and
I said, oh my god, I bought the book. And
every day that he mentions he had a contact. It's

(54:38):
the same day, I had a contact.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Really, yes, Wow, wanted.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
To talk with Whitney because I said, what are the chances?
And I wrote, and I don't know who I was
writing to, but I was bombarding him saying, what are
the chances that my experiences, even though I felt were
more interventional. He would give a date. That's a date.
Because I kept a journal when every time they called.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Wow, that's interesting, I know him. I know him actually Race,
you know Whitley Streeper know that.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
What are the chances? And I was so impressed with
because remember back when this was all happening, uphology was
still like in its infancy of having real, concrete like prospects.
I mean there was it could be this, and it
could be that. And I just thought wow, and I
just felt oh. And I think the most important thing

(55:30):
for me is if I said one hundred phone calls.
Remember this went on for nine years.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
It wasn't wanted to.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
This went on. I sometimes had three or four calls
a day, and I could go on with the stories.
And that's why I say read the book, because there
were so many stories of proving to me that they
are outside of time. Oh, they proved that many many
times that they are outside of a time. And even
though it took so long to write the book, it

(55:56):
took so long because I was still trying to make
it under standing. And also I was a little afraid.
I didn't want them back because they are scary. There's
no question. In one of the many phone calls, probably
the one if if this is a conclusion of our conversation.
They usually gave me commands and they've moved things around

(56:16):
the room. They had a lot of power. They said,
you can ask a question, and I thought to myself,
oh my God. Usually I do all the listening. I'm
shaking and I thinking, what do I ask for Jesus Christ?
Is it? Is there reincarnation? Absolutely, you've reincarnated member in
this metallic voice.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
But I'm not going to tell you you have recarnated
or we all have.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
I have, well, we all have, many of us have,
but I in particular have reincarnated many times. They said hundreds,
and that I originated from them. So I am from
I am one of them who have chosen to reincarnate
in the flesh and listen.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I know you, I believe you.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
And ironically I did my DNA and I have Neanderthal
in me. So that means that they visited my Neanderthal uncle.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Oh that's great, that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
But to have humor in all of this because it's
so unusual.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
All right, So get Christina's book Toward the Moon with Fellini?
Where can people? Is it on Amazon?

Speaker 2 (57:23):
It's on Amazon? And please go to YouTube and watch
the film.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, to watch the film Towards the Moon with Felleni,
It's on YouTube. I know there's a trailer there as well.
We didn't get to that. Can I just ask you
real quick tell me about that the Betty Boo play
on Broadway. There's a Betty boot play coming on Broadway
in April.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Right, yes, yes, yes, April Broadhurst, and it is The
music is by David Foster. I've been nineteen years working
for Fleischer Studios, the best people in the whole world.
What the best job in the whole world. And yeah,
we've worked very hard hard to get to besides all

(58:03):
the licensees, you know, six thousand licensees Betty Boop as
a character of the Paramount cartoons. And here we are
and David Foster doing the music, Amy assuming Jasmine, Amy
Rogers playing Betty Boop, it's just phenomenal. It's all just
google it.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
It's you can you get me free tickets for that?
I'm serious, free.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Tickets I'm trying to get. I'm going there for work.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
So it's April. What's the date, April.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
April fifth of the Broadhurst.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
So you'll be at the opening premiere.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
But I'm going for work.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
So you know, if you need it, if you need
a day. Because my best friend owns a night club
in Manhattan, I could stay at his house. Let me
if you could steal me, that would be super fun
man to go to Betty Boop on Broadway. That'd be great.
That's so funny. Listen, I wish we had more time.
Thank you so very much. Thank you for being my
friend and a member of the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance. You
have wonderful store. He's check out this book Toward the

(59:02):
Moon with Felini. I read it twice. I really recommend
it because I know Christina. There you go, I know her,
and her storytelling in that book is riveting. I spent
last weekend rereading it and I just it's just blew
my mind. I love it, and I love you. I
think you're wonderful. I'll see at the party. That's it
for me. Next week, I have Michael Ian Black as

(59:24):
my guest. He's one of the stars of the new
CNN show called Have I Got News for You. He's
a comedian and he's a UFO enthusiast as we all are,
and I'll be meeting him for the first time. So
everyone have a good week. Thank you for watching Live
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Thank you.

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