ITs PARANORMAL TONIGHT - Dr Lynne Kitei

On this week’s episode of Live From Hollywood…It’s Paranormal Tonight! host Dan Harary will interview Author and longtime UFOlogist Dr. Lynne Kitei, who will discuss the celebration of the 27th Anniversary of the Phoenix Lights. That March 13, 1997, event was a sighting that has been deemed to be the most witnessed, documented and important mass anomalous aerial sighting in modern history. Lynn will also discuss with Dan her book, The Phoenix Lights: A Skeptic’s Discovery That We Are Not Alone, and will share with the audience her latest findings from the Scientific Phoenix Lights Experiencer Studies. See: https://thephoenixlights.net

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Episode Transcript

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Home from Hollywood. It's Paranormal Tonight. I'm March Summers and now here's your
host, Jan Harari. Hello everybody, thank you very much for joining us
once again on Paranormal Tonight. Myname is Dan Harari and we're broadcasting live
from beautiful downtown Beverly Hills. Thisis my office and my fun place,

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and tonight we have a very specialguest and we have a lot to get
to, so I don't want tobabble too much up front. I just
want to say one quick thing.My Hollywood Disclosure Alliance group. This past
Sunday, we had a very verycool event in Sherman Oaks, California.
We had about one hundred people whocame to see the making of Project blue

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Book, the TV series, andPaul Heinik and his brother Joel Heinick,
who's an Oscar winner, presented themaking a Project blue Book along with the
three producers of the show and theyshowed how the show was developed in who
doctor Allen Heinich was, and whatProject blue Book was. And it was
a wonderful event. We'll have morein the future, and I just want

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to give a shout out to theHollywood Disclosure Alliance and all the members who
have made my little group that Ifounded a year ago such a wonderful organization.
I really appreciate it. Okay,let's jump right in here. Author
and ufologist doctor Lynn Key Tie hasbeen an internationally acclaimed physician and health educator

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for over fifty years. However,she had to push her work in the
medical field decide to pursue answers thatwould explain a remarkable event that would forever
change the course of her life.The silent massive aerial objects known as the
Phoenix Lights that were witnessed by overten thousand people March thirteenth, nineteen ninety
seven. It's twenty seven years agothis past week. The event lasted over

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a dozen hours and was seen bypeople in more than four states. Doctor
Lynn also filmed these UAPs up closeand personal, prior to, during,
and after what has since been hailedas the most witnessed, most documented,
and most important mass UFO sighting inmodern history. Doctor Lynn was chief clinical
Consultant of the Imaging Prevention Wellness Centerat the world renowned Arizona Heart Institute,

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and in two thousand and four shecame forward after seven years of anonymity to
announce herself as one of the keyPhoenix Lights witnesses. Doctor Linn had spoken
about the Phoenix Lights on hundreds ofnational and international TV and radio shows Coast
to Coast, CNN News, Nation, CBS, Fox, etc. The

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fourth edition of her best selling bookPhoenix Lights, a skeptics Discovery that we
are not alone, along with heraward winning documentary Phoenix Lights Beyond Top Secret,
and her Phoenix Lights graphic novel andcoloring book are all available on Amazon.
And I just found out the otherday and I never knew this.

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Doctor Lynn was one of the costars of the hit movie Raising Arizona,
which I think probably very few peopleknow that. To celebrate the twenty seventh
anniversary of the Phoenix Lights last week, Lynn was on George Nory's Coast to
Coast and she just recently organized andhosted the Phoenix Lights Anniversary celebration in Scottsdale,

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Arizona at the Harkins Shay Theater.Doctor Lynn is also the founder and
exec producer of the Phoenix Lights Network. Please check her out the Phoenix Lights
dot Net, the Phoenix Lights dotNet and without further ado race, Let's
bring in our favorite Phoenix Lights expert, doctor Lynn Keytai, and there she

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is. I'll thank you so muchfor having me, Dan, and I
also honored to be a family memberof the Hollywood to Disclosure Alliance as well.
It's really a pleasure to be withyou in your audience today. That's
very sweet. And you were Iwould say you were within the first probably
ten to fifteen to twenty members,so and doctor Lynd, we'll probably be

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hitting two hundred members by June.So it's a wonderful thing. Thank you
for being a member. We allknow you're the number one person in the
world, the number one expert inthe world about the Phoenix Lights, of
course. But before we get toall those cool things, tell us a
little bit about yourself. Where areyou from, where you grew up,
what you did as a kid,and also what inspired you to become a
medical doctor. Born and raised inPhiladelphia. Actually started as a kid doing

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professional musical theater, singing and dancing, and toured with Gordon McCrae in Oklahoma,
and that he greatable and guys anddolls aging me a little bit in
the fifties and sixties and seventies andin the seventies as well, I understudied
Barbarat and the Town of Music,and I played Alice Nous in Wonderland with

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Sharon Hamsley. He was the caterpillarand thest of other things, which kind
of combined that aspect of my expertisewith medical school as my family is in
the medical profession and wanted to alsohelp others, and certainly that's coming into

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to four with the FED ex ploice, to let people know it's a position
that they're not alone, that they'renot crazy. Even though most anomalies can
be explained, only a small percentagecannot. But just because we can't definitely
define what these things are, itdoesn't mean they're not real. So it's
time to get this topic out inthe open and address it, accept it,

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and study it so we can moveforward, not only find out who's
driving these things, but also moveforward in our own evolution. And after
medical school, I saw the needas well for community education. There really
wasn't anything in the mid seventies.In the early and mid seventies, and
started doing health reporting at MVC inPhiladelphia, KIW. And then a sidication

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grew from that which was showing inPhoenix in nineteen eighty when we moved here,
and then I started doing health reportingduring VC here as well as USA
Cable and in eighty five because Iwas seeing kids drowning in substance abuse and
adolescent medicine is my specialty. Iactually started company health education learning programs to

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produce video and work curriculums on vitalhealthship issues such as adies and teen pregnancy
and subseence abuse preventtion education, whichby the way, the Entertainment Industry Council
picked up because I have not onlykids that have been there, but experts
in the field, and that Ibrought in my other hats. Ever,
Eason, we have Magic Johnson,Michael Jordan, the original cast Reverly Hills

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nine or two, an Outpule Tool, and a whole host of other celebrities.
They give poignant messages and started theU Naked series. I believe every
kid can make it if they havethe if they're educated, and they as
someone who cares. And when thisfill in my lap figura, I literally
did my lab in ninety five.Any interest or knowledge in the UFO topic

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at all, I don't it wivesas well, not only to do my
homework and find out what was goingon after my husband and iOS had a
very close sighting to our home,which we'll get into, but also after
thousands of people, so what Ihad been seeing two years later, it
really sent me on a journey totry to find a logical source of meaning

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which I have yet to find inIf anything, it opened up my whole
world new world me that ultimately afterseven years of anonymity at a seven hundred
and fifty page journal later and Iwent back to work at the Arizona Hart
Institute as the head of the Wellnessand Imaging Center, chief clinal consultant,

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and paired down that seven hundred andfifty pages to two hundred and thirty of
the most compelling and credible data thatI could find and find me for much
south searching, I did not wantto come forward. Came forward in two
thousand and four with the first edition. It's now in its fourth edition as
the story continues to unfold, andwe're going to get into how that story

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unfolded. It's really intriguing in andof itself because I felt, just as
I did with vital health issues,how can I not share this vital issue
and it's brought me here to youand your audience today. That's awesome,
that's great. Just real quick.You moved to Phoenix from Philadelphia in nineteen
eighty, is that right? Moved? I moved from Asbury Park, New

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Jersey to Los Angeles in nineteen eighty, So you and I both East coast
thirsts planted out the savier and it'sbeen enough I guess it's what is it
forty three years? Yeah? Wow, that's very very cool. All right,
let's just jump in here. Yourfirst UAP sidings that you took photos
of, as you said, wasin nineteen ninety five. Race. Please,

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let's let's see slide number one.Can I describe it before we get
into the photos a little bit?Well, yeah, because mountain side and
Paris Valley really high, and anyonethat it's near a computer that can get
onto the Phoenix Lights Network website,it's really it's packed with information. But
on the photo page you can seethe topography because from our view when we're

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pretty high on the mountain, wehave a pin round of view of the
city skyline, so we know whatplanes look like in helicopters, the street
flights and carltes and so forth,and we face the airport, so we
see planes and helicopters coming in andout of the airport constantly. Actually,
and there's two mountain ranges in thedistance, one South Mountain which is right
behind the airport, and then afew miles back is the Uestraina mountain range.

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And if we have time, what'sreally intriguing is that there's a very
strong Native American constituency in the PhoenixLights story in and of itself. Not
only am I working with Navajo rangerswho actually had a sighting the day before
urs of these words going around incircles, and the whole town came out.

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They're very open to it. Butsix months before the mass lighting,
I happened to be asked to presentmy substance abuse program at the Heel of
ben g i l a heel ARiver Indian reservation. And after the lights
started showing up, I noticed thatit was seemed to be right where their

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sacred ground is, in between SouthMountains and the Australias Mountain Range. So
I called up the principal and theydon't walk outsiders, but I helped him
out and I said, did anybodyhappen to see strains lights on March thirteenth,
and he started to giggle and Isaid, if that's fun, He
said, are you kidding? We'vebeen looking up at them for centuries.
They call them sky people like beings. I had no idea, and that's

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how the austray has got its name. It means star in Spanish. And
not only do they they welcome theseorbs, some of them feel worldwide,
indigenous cultures worldwide, and that's awhole story in itself. The hoping right
here in Arizona have protocols to invitethese phenomena in because they believe that they're
spiral world or ancestors, giving themcomfort and knowledge and inspiration. And I

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have to admit to him, Ihave obviously been inspired. I get very
passionate about this, obviously. Butthey also believe that there's a portal or
gateway in that area. And Iprefaced what I'm going to be talking about
now because you'll see in science welook for repeatability, and you'll see that
these unexplained aerial phenomena, these uapor UFOs, keep popping up in the

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same area, and they believe thatthere's a portal or gateway in that area,
so you just for yourself. Butthe very first sighting that my husband
is also the physician and a healthyskeptic had was literally and figuratively right outside
our bedroom window. It happened tobe the even my birthday February sixth,

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my birthday February seventh, and oneball of our bedroom is a window,
so anything that pops up out therewe see if we're in the bedroom.
And I happened to be in anadjacent room, and my husband was on
the telephone with my mother in law, who had called from Philadelphia to wish
me a happy birthday, and hewas on several hospital and medical boards.
Nothing ever ruffled his feathers. Andsuddenly and I'm taking a bath leisurely this

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in the other room, He yelledout, Then get over here quick,
What what the hell was that?And I grabbital ringing me way run to
the window, dripping and a littlebelow us because we're pretty high and it's
a very treacherous desert landscape with CAPTIand so forth, and it's gated and
we're kind of nestled in the round. There's no way this was military.

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And I was right outside our bedroomwindow. We're three amber or and the
pyramid information on top and too closelyaligned underneath, and immediately I saw it
coming from a video workbook background torun down stairs and get my video camera.
But I'm through. There's people outhere that have had powermoral experiences like

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this, and you don't know howlong it's going to last. So I
tried to take everything in mentally,I always tell people when you're in a
certain situation, be mindful, takeit, take in everything. And I
did the size, the shape,the color, and I always go back
to this lading. They were aboutthree to six feet each, depending on
how close they were, and theywere pretty close. They were oval shaped,

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which is interesting, Dan because nowthat the Navy nimt's pilots have come
forward and talk about the tic TACor the oval shaped UFOs. I don't
know if they're related, but theywere oval shaped for sure. And I
called them an orb because the lakedid not extend outside the edge self contained
a uniform amber color throughout, verysoothing, very mesmerizing, and I thought,

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you know what, the bottom,get a picture of this. No
one's going to believe this. Itwas so extraordinary, I know, running
to the closet to grab my thirtyfive million meter that I keep handy for
the beautiful sunsets we have here.I collect sunsets. If you get on
my Facebook page on Facebook, you'llsee my collection as well. There of

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sunsets. And as I'm doing so, my husband calls me back, you
can get over here quick. Oneof them is disappearing. And by the
way, I'm the only person withthirty five milimeter that's been allied and authenticated
by military and university optical experts.But I grabbed my thirty five milimeter and
I run to the to the tothe window and hear the top org and

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I have to say, we havetwo grown men now, but they were
boys at the time. The onlymovies we saw were Close Encounters and Et
in the seventies, as well asthe original Star Trek series. And the
first thing that came to mind becausethere seemed to be an intelligent presence,
and the top orb, without budgetingfrom the two lower orbs that were very

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closely aligned, started to shrink veryvery slowly mechanically, as if there was
an intelligent intelligence behind it, likea dimmer swhich it's difficult to even describe
in logical terms. Like it wascloaking. Really with that or the only
thing that I popped in my headwas the rodulin cloaking device that waiver.

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Remember that these did not These didnot, but they seemed like they were
cloaking. Anyway, I jumped downon the balcony, got to the two
lower orbs and if you want toshow that picture, that's the one that
we have. Now, let's doslide one race there you so you can
see that two lower orbs there onthe left side, and to the right

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of them it's skylight on a housedown the street, which is very very
important topography because if you look straightup, there's also lights in the distance
which we're going to get to.But any rate, as I get out
on the balcony and I'm concentrated onthese two hour orders, I have to
admit that it felt like there wassomething watching me. And you know,

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I cannot say this to assault,by the way, until two years later
after the mess eatings of the investigators. But going through my mind at that
moment, I was thinking, whoare you? What are you? Do
you know that I'm here, I'dlove to meet you. That's exactly what
I thought. Next thing I rememberthe left bottom work started to shrink just
like the top one did. Ifyou want to show that picture number two

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race and you can see now tome, it's miraculous. That was the
only picture that turn out at thetime. By the way, one has
half disappeared on the left quite awhile that was happening, and one is
still there. But now if younotice, and doctor Bruce mcabee, Navy
optical physicistmic this is really quick becausethere's twenty one pages on the page report

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is on my uh what the PhoenixLights Network website. But if you go
back to the first one, justso people can can really get the feel
for this. If you go backto that first picture from ninety five,
two years before the mass sighting,and you see the arrow pointing to the
four lights in the background, well, doctor McAfee noticed that the same exact
phenomenon that I'm going to show youas we continue that I also captured head

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on turning into a V shape bothtwo months before the mass sighting and during
the maths sighting on video. Wasthere in the same exact spot in ninety
five, So then we're with usfor a while. Not only that,
but he said to me, youyou said that your closed sighting was only
a couple of minutes. I said, right, He said, at you're
sure, I said, that's whatI remember. He said, asked your

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husband. My husband wouldn't talk aboutit. Everyone comes from a different background,
from a different up bringing, thedifferent belief system, different world views.
Some people can't deal with this topic. Some people don't want to,
and that's okay everyone in their owntime. But now we have data that
people can actually look at. Andif you look at this data, and

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doctor mcabee noticed that the whole skylinein the first picture was very different.
There were many groups of lights whowere on in the first picture. And
if you go to the second picturethere, which is the last picture I
took, that are off in thatlast picture. And he was very meticulous
in his study. Bottom line.He presented the case in nineteen ninety nine,

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and I did not even share it. So the second edition I I
book in twenty and ten because Icouldn't wrap my head, I took at
But he presented it in nineteen ninetynine at the mofin mutually off a network
internationals composed in Washington, DC,as the first and as far as we
know, the only authenticated photographic evidenceof missing time. So there's a lot

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more to the story. But putthat inside and then anyone cares to read
the the twenty one page reports onthe Phoenix Lights Network website. And also
I have part of it in thebook, but I wasn't for two years.
I didn't know who to even showthis picture to. And that was
the only one that turned out atthe time, the one had disappeared and
one's still there. And wondered whatthe advanced technology was outside our bedroom window,

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why my husband and I happened tosee it together, you know,
lots of thought, and of courseI kept looking after for you know,
similar phenomena. Nothing, nothing fortwo years until two much before the mask
lighting. Okay, wait, holdon, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on, you'rejumping. Let me ask you the question
and then we'll go there. Okay, So your first your first two Phoenix

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Lights setings, like you just weresaying, we're in January and February ninety
seven, right, No, no, no, no, the first the
first one was in February of ninetyfive. No, I know, we
just did that. We just didthat, and then you can they fast
forward to ninety seven. Yeah,yeah, ninety February of ninety seventh,
January and February right right, yeah, so right at you you saw those

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at your window? Is that thosethe what you saw? I thought one
wall of our bedroom's windows. SoI happened to see three lights in a
row far north, and I'm noticing, wait a minute, they're amber color.
They're huge falls of lights in anequidistant line formation, totally equidistant from
each other. And I'm thinking myself, wait a minute, they're amber,

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they're information. They're hovering for minutes, and I watched as they seem to
shrink implode from right to left.I don't not that significant, but each
time I've seen these, they disappearedfrom right to what Okay? And I
even mentioned it to my husband.He said, so I still have to
go to work tomorrow. I mean, he wasn't interested at all talking about

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it. The next night, hewas at a medical board meeting and I
come upstairs and I noticed this,seeing three lights at about eight o'clock.
We're now in front of South's Mountain, and I knew they were in front
of Stout's Mountain where the airport is, because there's red linking lights on top
of the mountain to alert aircraft cominginto sky Harbor that there's a mountain there.

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And I said, okay, enough, I go downstairs. I grab
my video camera. I get outside. I get about eighteen seconds worth.
The battery goes day. I runinside, I look up the battery.
I go outside. They're gone.About a half hour later, about eight
thirty, my husband comes up thedrive. I go outside. I said,
how do you remember I told youabout the three lights far north last

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night? But you know, ina line information about a half an hour
ago, they were right in frontof Stout's Mountain. As I'm pointing like
that, they reappear in the samespot. It was like, Loo,
what is going on? I runupstairs. I grabbed my thirty five milimeter
because my video camera is being charged. And again I don't believe in going

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to the study war for hole invideo. It doesn't do the life justice.
They're much smaller, they're white,they flicker, even though the informations
themselves are very compelling. But I'mthirty five millimeter. They're in the negative.
They cannot be budged or denied.But any rate, I go out
on the back of you. I'mjust ready to shoot the three. Suddenly
six flights across pop on massive standover the three. I started to shape.

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If you want to go to thatnext stress number three, race number
three, And that's why it's waving, because I'm mistaking, because not having
not having had an explanation dan forninety five. It was like, holy
moly, this is massive. Itwas over a mile wide. But I

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kept my wig, you know,with me, and I kept on clicking
away the second picture, which Ithink we have here, number four,
Please raise four. There we go. Now we don't have the second picture.
The second picture is actually five lightsand a V formation with two underneath.
And two months later, during themass sighting, you would hear thousands

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of people say that what they sawwere five lights in the vine with two
trailing lights. But this was twomonths before the mass sighting. And then
as I continued shooting, it seemedlike the top formation started to turn into
a V shape as the lights underneathwere disappearing. You can see now there's
only one light underneath. But ifthe top formation seems to be turning into

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a V. And then the lastone of that series, Okay, what's
significant about this couple things? First, of all, this has been analyzed
again, and if you look atthe lights, everyone in between is smaller
than the ones closer to us.So it's postulated that either these lights or

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single lights that might be attached tosomething or of a force field in between.
And actually the next morning it wasstill unnerving. I did not sleep
well that I'd have to tell you, but I figured, you know what,
there's got to be a logical explanation. Let me just search around.
I finally found air traffic controllers atSky Harbor International Airport, so the same

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thing at the same time, andthey were very forthcoming initially that this actually
they saw what I saw. Theywere excited that I saw it too.
At eight o'clock, they saw thethree pop up over class being restricted airspace
one thousand feet altitude, there's athirty mile radius around the center of the
airport. Anyone that comes into thatradius must call into the tower, and

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no one did. So they gotnervous and they looked on the radar.
The didn't show on the radar,and then they disappeared. When the six
popped up at age thirty, theyreally got nervous. They took their high
powered binoculars looking there was a wholegroup and what finally I get this meteorologist
also, he was a climatologist whotaught it one of the colleges here tells

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me that what they saw were sixpoints of light totally equidistance from each other,
a massive span over a wild widethat seemed to be attached to something.
But they couldn't quite see what theselights were attached to or had a
force field holding them in rock solidformation. And he said the entire thing
turned as a unit against the wind. That's really telling, very cool,

(25:27):
doctor Lett. I'm sorry, Iapologize. We need to take our little
two minute break and then when wecome back, I want to ask you
what you were doing March the teenththat morning, like what do you have
for breakfast and everything? Before thebig attraction. So Race, let's pay
the bills and show some spots.We'll be back in about two minutes.

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but anyway, Live from Hollywood's Ialways think that's funny. It's paranormal
tonight. I'm Dan Hurri. Wehave a very special guest tonight, and
let's bring doctor Lynn Key tie backin. Doctor Lynn tell us, I
want to know what did you havefor breakfast and lunch on March thirteenth,
ninety seven. What was your daylike that day before everything changed your life?

(30:37):
Well, first of all, it'snot about me, it's about the
data, and it was just likean ordinary dat But I just wanted to
finish the air traffic controllers. Bythe way, we'll get us every conventional
aircraft, balloons, Chinese lanterns,flares, even skydivers with lights. I
mean, here's professional skywatchers rolled downeverything that it could possibly be. Then
two months later and the lights canI continued photographed in March thirteenth. For

(31:02):
me, it's just like any othernight, but for thousands of others and
not just an hours. There's somuch missing disinformation in you probably heard it's
one or two events. It wasonly a couple hours. It was two
different events. Now no, no, no, no no. That's one
of the reasons I got to comeforward for seven years of about inevity.
There is so much more to thisstory, and there's so much missing disinformation.

(31:23):
It wasn't just one or two events. It was multiple events happening in
at least four states. I'm doinga scientific study now, scientific Phoenix Fikes
Experience or study, and we're findingthat there were not only Arizona and New
Mexico, California, Nevada, butalso Utah, Texas, and Colorado.

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There were people that were seeing themass fighting. And if anybody out there
isn't familiar with March thirteenth, nineteenninety seventy one, thousands of people were
outside looking skyward for a glimpse ofthe half off comet, they also go
to a glimpse of one to Accordingto Peter Davenport of the National UFA Reporting
Center, from his data, oneof these objects was eight miles wide.

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And we're not just tucking lights theseorbs in Rockstaw information, but also actual
craft. And if you go tothe Phoenix Sights Network website gap page,
the Spacial Animation Project a twelve yearstudy hundreds of reports. Two or more
people had to see the same craft, and I think we can show a

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couple of them. I'm not surewhich, all right, so let's go
different craft now, whether it waslet's number I think that next we have
number six. Let's see number six. We'll try to keep this in order.
That's actually nice. That's the realpicture, a real picture one Monday
after nine to eleven. I tookthat picture. There is much more to

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the story. If everybody gets onthe photo page, will see my unique
collection before, during, and afterthe mass sighting. And the next picture
actually videos that I took back ofthe Yeah, that's off the video screen.
That's the video that I took fromMarch thirteenth. But there were ten
different crafts and whether it was onecraft that could morph into looking different and

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I think we have a couple ofthe pictures. Yeah, there we go.
This this was one of the mostcommon. Again, five lights,
and some people saw two trailing lights. Some people saw a dome on top
like a like an arrowhead that theywere also boomerang shaped, triangle shaped.
I think the next one is atriangle shape from people that were in casta

(33:39):
Grand In fact, the one ofthem a PhD working with me on this
study. That was professor at WashingtonUniversity psychologists Russ Skelpone at doctor rust Scalphone,
as well as doctor Brad Evans whowas coming up from Tucson and passing

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cost of Ran towards Phoenix for aswim meet, and this craft was right
over their car and it was extendedto I mean it was at least two
three miles wide. And not onlydid he get a really good look at
it because he was in the passengerseat, but also his wife got telecastic
messages. I mean, there wasa lot going on on March thirteenth.

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Some people saw these crafts split intwo and shoot straight up. Other people
saw orbs attached from the mayno togo add into the environment and redock with
it. Whether it was one craftthat could morph, or the perspective from
one where the person was standing,or a parade, and ultimately, after
twelve years that's what was decided.The next one, actually there was a

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number ten was a pilot and thesun out in Scottsdale that saw a ditch
shape and these these but the madsighting actually started three pm in the afternoon
daylight sightings five o'clock hour. Therewere new next in New Mexico's by Native
Americans reporting at seven o'clock hour,and beyond in California the ten o'clock hour.

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There were two commercial airline pilots thatcalled into their radar because exclaiming that
one of the crafts was actually andwe're talking gun metal bottoms. Some people
saw windows covering Las Vegas and thestings continued until five point thirty the next
morning, when a bowing crew wascoming into Sky Harbor International Airport. The

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head of the Boeing too told methis that one of these clans was over
there tarmac and also in frides.Multiple things happening in multiple places at the
same time. At three am,there was a call from the lights crew
and from them Air Force Base tothe National UFL Reporting Center. We have
part of that recording very professional inour documentary that jets were set off from

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the Airworre base the intercept one ofthese grifts that was covering right over the
central Phoenix Seventh Avenue and Indians ateight thirty that evening as they got close.
We have civilians that saw this happening. The lights dim and then the
entire thing blank down and disappeared.The entire queen disappeared, and this alleged

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crewman said he helped one of thepilots out of his crabs because he was
so shaken up by it, andsupposedly Luke went on lockdown. After the
air force left, the crap reappeared. People saw it reappear and continued along
its way and again go behind SouthMountains. So there were many things happening

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at the same time, and yetafter the mass fighting on March thirteenth,
there was nothing from the from thethe media covered it. And it's very
serendipitous that my video ended up onevery new station because I happened to have
a meeting with a move On fieldinvestigator the next morning, which had canceled

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from Wednesday to Friday morning. Andhe tells me that didn't see the last
sight last night, and I said, I thought something similar to two months
ago, And he said that NBSCwas coming to interview him in a half
an hour, said I'm out ofhere. I thought, I don't know
if it was a hope or militaryor whatever. All right, So this
this UFO up, sorry, thisUFO V that we see on the USA

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Today. Was that was that anillustration that we're looking at, Well,
this is yeah, this is thisis what happened. There was no investigation,
no explanation for lunch. The onlyone that came forward months later was
Francis bar With the vice mayor ofPhoenix and a councilwoman at a council meeting
in May asked for an investigation.She was plastered by the media. I

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mean it was awful. There wassuch ridicule and stickering and discrediting. And
then on June eighteenth, and mostlytoday article for the first time Dan this
story, our maniciting was opened upbeyond the borders of Arizona to the rest

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of the world and it went viral. We didn't have social media, and
overnight the next morning it was onevery national morning show, Peter Jennings,
Dan Rather and we were deluged bymedia from all over the world. And
once they would talk to the witnesses, and that to me is so significant.
Hallett affected the witnesses. That's whywe're doing this study. And anyone

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out there that did see it onMarch thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven or something
similar, please join us. Thereis a link on our landing page on
the Phoenix Lights Network website. Butwhat was amazing is that once they talked
to the witnesses, their stories wereso detailed and so heartfelt that they two
were saying, why isn't there aninvestigation? Why isn't there an explanation?

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The very month study of the monthfor months on price. Dimington called a
press conference to reveal the Lights ofPhoenix. I believe that's next line number
twelve, raised number twelve, andhe comes marching out one of an age
with a giant alien head costume andmade a mockery of it. He said,

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we didn't want people to panic.Well, you know what, Dan,
Now one person was probably the militaryin the government. They were panicking.
There has not been one, notone credible report arm threat or abduction
or missing person that somebody made amovie of associated with the Phoenix Lights.
Anomalies can't speak for other things,but I can afford the Phoenix Lights.

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And actually, after this happened andpeople were really tipped off that he did
this, I called every military baseto find out what they knew. They
were just as curious as we were. One month later, I get a
phone call from one of the headsof pr at the Air National Guard and
she said, oh, doctor Lenn, I think we know what the lights
were back in March. And Iwas thrilled. I was looking for anything

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that was logical. She said,do you believe in all these ones,
nobody ever looked at the lab forvisiting Air National Guard and the Maryland Air
National Guard was sending off military illuminationplayers in operation at Snowbird, which I
later found out in military terms meansdiversionary tactical maneuvers. So they may have
been sending off flairs, but Idon't know. I've never met one person

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that saw what flaars do. Shesaid, that must be what some people
saw. So I said, well, wait a minute. When was the
Maryland Air National Guard in town.She said March first to the fifteenth.
I said, with a in townin January? She said, oh no,
I said, are you sure?She said absolutely not. I said,
well, my my husband and Iboth witnessed at photographed the same exact
phenomena and the stained exact location whenMarch thirteenth as two months before the man

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citing in January. And she says, you never told me that. I
said, besides, I called aroundin the air traffic controller said it was
overclass to be restricted airspace a thousandfeet altitude. She said, you never
told me that because I never gavesome details when I call the military,
and I said, and you're tryingto tell me that flares that drift can
drop with the wing, how doyou stroke trails that are illuminated by the

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flare itself? That not one personeven mentioned anything like that. Traverse the
entire state in a rock solid,equidistantly spaced mile wide V for hours,
and she says, I have acall, come and get I'll get back
to you. Well, I'm stillwaiting, grace. Let's say number thirteen.

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Yeah, so there you got itgoes. I mean, it speaks
for itself. I always say thedata speaks for itself. The top are
the true unknowns and the bottom areflares. There is just no comparison,
and people don't know unless they readmy book or hear me speak like this,
which I really appreciate, Dan,because there's so much more to this
story. Three years later, theformer Phoenix X mayor Francis Barwood was running

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for Secretary of State to get answersfor the lights over Phoenix and asking for
a re enactment, which was brilliant. Okay, show me shame on now
for you know, denying it andthen uh and doing it right over people's
heads and we're looking roof top left, totally silent. People were looking right
up into these wells. I mean, the stories are fantastic if we had
time. But I mean, sheshe said, reenacted. Right before the

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third anniversary, we get a bigpublic announcement that three international guards were coming
into town to show everyone the Phoenixflights and talk about you go to the
news page on the second block down. It's all a part. Immediately you

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spoke drills just what you're looking at. To date, Dan, the Phoenix
flights have never been recreated or explained, but they continue, uh to uh,
you know, show themselves. Andthen I believe that yes, a
very famous, ever famous movie starhappened to be flying his plane. Okay,

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here we go, there we goafter the mass site. You love
this. You'll love this definitely anybodythat's into the Hollywood seat. The morning
after the mass sighting, I hadto confirm with the air traffic codes that
it was the same thing which theydid. It was a stand exact phenomenon
a stand exact location, and theymentioned that there was a commercial airline pilot

(43:28):
that called into the tower that said, what the hell are these lights over
me? We're talking right over thetarmac, and I'm the private pilot that
also caught in on close approach.Never mentioned who that propilot was. Right
after the tenth anniversary, our formergovernor came forward greatly to the close that
he actually saw one of the crafts, the Monoli craft, and his own

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word, as an awarded pilot ina military pilot, it definitely wasn't flares
and the only isolation they ever cameup with. They never addressed the craft,
by the way, but in hisown words, and he used the
word used worldwide. I'm sure you'veheard it dan otherworldly. And also after
twenty seventeen, after the front pageNew York Times article divulged that Harry Reid

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had had this twenty two million dollarstudy and the Pentagon was all involved with
UFO studies, finally this private pilotdid come forward, and who other than
Kurt Russell, the wonderful actor KurtRussell, who by the way, was
reporting it on close approach to SkyHarbor International airport while I was filming my

(44:38):
signature video that day. Have youever had a chance to meet with him
one on one? I tried,I try it, and I'll keep trying.
Hopefully I will, because I'd reallylove to chat with him, And
certainly we have a little Hollywood connectionourselves. But one thing that was really

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interesting and something that we're also findingin our study. And even doctor Brad
Evans, who is part of theteam that's studying the experience your phenomena,
he didn't forgot about it for twoyears. He never spoke about it till
he came any one night and GoldieHawn was watching the show and the same

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thing happened with Bratt, doctor BradEvans. They forgot about it. They
didn't talk about it, and it'snot unusual this did happened for some reason.
It affected different people different ways,and they saw something on television was
like, whoa, we saw that. So there's a lot of intricacies that
we're finding out. I have totell you when we come out, which
should be soon within mind hopefully certainlywithin the year. We have over a

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thousand participants and the findings are mindbottling. So I hope that we can
visit again and I can share thosefindings, But there is so much more
to this story. And tell usabout the very famous rock star who I
actually met in nineteen eighty five.He was one of my favorite. But
tell us about their favoue rock starwho saw this event as well. Okay,

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also which I had no idea,and each year I organize and host.
It's a really a real community services. There's nothing there like. It's
not a UFO event. It's acommunity event where I host our international film
a documentary. We're so proud.We went over a dozen International Film Festival

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Awards and we shared it on thebig screen, which is really awesome.
And then we have speakers, andwe have Travis Walton. You probably are
familiar with Travis Walton, the Firein the Sky. He's with us every
year. And we have two nathe Rangers. I think I mentioned at
the top that they had a citingthe day before hours of these orbs going

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around for an hour and they broughtout their launch airs and they're very open
to these phenomenon who welcome them.We also had witnesses and one year,
the guy leans over and I hadno idea who he was at the time,
and there's you know, I sawthem too, and I said,
really, you know people told methat all the time. And he walked

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me he said, will be onmy radio program? I said sure,
and he walked away and there wasa guy next to me and said,
you that is so, I said, he said, I said, Alice
Cooper. He wasn't in costume.There he is and he was so sweet
and we communicated for years after,and for the twentieth anniversary, I said,
would you please come forward? Andof course he's touring constantly. So

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what he did for us was actuallya Q and A that we show now
that not only did he see themass sighting, but he also was out
in the desert a couple of yearslater. I think he got an ask
the mark or something that he waslike trying it out in the desert,
way out the desert near Blight andsuddenly he sees the phoenix flights coming towards

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He said, whoa, I'm hereall load and here are the phoenix flights
coming towards me. But he saidthey must they must like his sand because
they didn't talk them. Doctor Lynn, are you still in touch with him?
Because I would love to get himon my show. Are you in
touch with him? Yes, Iam, I am. But he is
a busy, busy guy, andhe has a wonderful organization here for teens

(48:27):
to learn music and so forth,and he's touring constantly. But certainly I'll
try to hook you guys up forsure. Yeah, that would be great.
I have a very famous cousin whowell, I have a famous cousin
who is an internationally acclaimed magician.He's one of the most famous magicians on
the planet, Franz Harari. Andhe worked with Alice Cooper for some of

(48:47):
Alice Cooper's tours. Actually, mycousin was discovered by Michael Jackson in nineteen
eighty four. That's a true story. But he worked with Alice Cooper and
at one of Alex Cooper's tours,my cousin took me backstage and I had
a little chat without and you know, when I was in high school at
Alice Cooper school's out. I mean, oh my god, guy's awesome.
So I would love to interview him. Let's jump a little bit over to

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the Hollywood side. Now, youprobably and I didn't know this, you've
been a professional actress You've appeared inquite a few projects along the way,
and probably most notably, you wereone of the co stars in a movie
called Raising Arizona, which is everyoneloves that movie. Nicholas Cage and Holly
Hunter and you played Florence Arizona.I believe was your character. And I

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think we have number sixteen race thereyou go that. I can't believe that's
you, doctor Lynn. That's amazing. Three hours of makeup and hair.
I came to the audition looking likethat because I almost made it into the
Rocky two movie as I was doinghealth reporting at NBC in Philadelphia. But
they didn't think I looked like adoctor. I didn't get to so I

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came looking this sport. That's theway I looked when I came to the
audition. It was wonderful. Imean, talk about a cast. We
have Francis McDorman and Holly Hunter andNicholas Cage and William Forsyth and John Goodman.
I mean, what a cast.That was really ironic is that when
I finally came forward seven years later, I did not want to come forward,

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but after the seven hundred and fiftyFaiths Journal and knowing that the data
was so important, and after havingmy thirty five millimeter analyzed by military and
university optical experts and nobody could giveme an answer, I thought, you
know what, this information is tooimportant not to share. And I finally
came forward and in two thousand andfour, a couple of years later,

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when they got win that I didRace the Arizona, someone came up to
me afterwards and after one of theconferences and said, you know, data
is a reference to your character ClarenceArizona and UFOs in the movie. And
I thought, really, I mean, I did not remember. It came
out in the eighty seven and Ihad not seen it since late eighties.

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I go back to the book andanybody that sees the movie or might remember
after one of the Queen Tuplets,it's a black comedy for anybody that doesn't
though, After one of the quintupletsis kidnapped by Holly Hunter and Nicholas Cage,
they have a press conference in frontof our home and one of the

(51:21):
reporters ficks a microphone in my husband'sface and says, there's a rumor your
son who's abducted by UFOs. Isthere any truth to that, and my
husband says, oh, please,son, please don't print that. If
his mama reads that, she'll loseall oak, which is totally opposite for
my own take, but nonetheless it'sthe only reference in the entire film to

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UFOs ten years before the mathony.But it gets better because the cinematographer who
is also getting started, Nicholas Case, was the only one that really did
some songs before note went on todo big and when how he met Stally
and how the West was won andthe Adams family, and also created and
directed the Men in Black series.That's amazing, really am Sunenfield. And

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not only that, but it cameout the first one premiered in nineteen ninety
seven, the same year as ThePhoenix Lights. Coincidence, Yeah, you
were cosmically, you were tied inon multiple levels to be almost an investigative
reporter. Really for the rest ofus, do you ever do you ever

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regret becoming a doctor instead of amovie actress? You know, it was
really close. I mean, Icould tell you such stories. Half my
book is about the Phoenix life itself, and half my book is about the
connection between all our explains and honorof a number of people, including doctor
Brad Evans, had near death experienceas children that was reawakened by the mass

(52:52):
sighting, and that really took meback, as I did too when I
lay it all out there in thebook. I actually met beings during my
near death experience at eight years old, giant beings with glowing white roads.
I once spoil it, but Ihave felt that they have been with me
ever since, and I've come asguys that have come to trust in the
guidance. And whenever I come toa crossroads, I meditate. I actually

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give ten ways to connect with theseentities, these energies that are out there
if one chooses too. But herewas just one example. I was touring,
I was under studying barbering and downthe music. I get a call
from Leon URIs, who wrote thebook Exodus. If you remember, it's

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like this there you get and alsodid the movie with Paul Newman. Right,
it was a giant hits, thebook and the movie, and now
he was doing a musical and calledme, and I have no idea how
he found out about it, buthe called me to audition for the part
of Karen the Engine and flew meinto New York. I auditioned for the

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role. I was starting medical schoolin a month. Wow. And not
only that, but I got downto two of us and the other Gale
I went to elementary school with.She was a prima belle arena. Jacqueline
Mayrae was plucked out of fourth gradeto play the role of baby June in
the original Gypsy with Edma Merman.And it was a two of us,

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and I didn't know what to do. I mean, we talk about a
role. I mean here we havethe movie in the book, I mean
aunt in whose dream right? Andhere I had rejected several schools. I've
been accepted to five schools, andin those days there were only a handful
of women in a class at onehundred and twenty when I started telling university
medical school, by the way.So I really did some soul searching and

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asked for guidance. I don't hearvoices, but I get strong feelings.
And the feeling was I needed togo to medical school and one day I
would know why. I called Leanyours I told him I was starting back
to school in a month. Hewas so pissed off to th To this
day, I don't know if Igot the role, but he was really
angry that I didn't tell him.It's the show win on the road as

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it usually does. Right, andjust Boston whatever open doing Broadway closed in
three weeks, I would have beendead meet. There is no way that
another medical school school would have acceptedme. You know the day of art
what I have. So that's justone of many. Came to a major
cross fork in the road and youwent the right way and you did the

(55:29):
right thing, and you were meantto be here. Race. Let's see
number eighteen and and doctor Lynne tellus about the Phoenix Lights Network, what
it does and your Phoenix Lights experienceor studies. What is this when you're
calling for people to participate with you? What are you? What are you
seeking? Yes, thank you somuch for letting me share. The Phoenix
Lights Network www dot The Phoenix Flightsdot net is packed packed with information.

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Please just go there and explore andconsider. I'm not trying to convince anybody
of anything. Just go and lookfor yourself. The data speaks for itself.
And on the landing page there's atriangle right underneath you can either enter
the website underneath that is a confidentialand anonymous. We wanted everybody to be

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honest, and we are finding outsuch things. I'm telling you Dan,
people were taking aboard crap knowingly andwillingly. People had communication with these orbs,
and even more. I mean,there's so much that we're finding out.
Please, if you actually saw themass slighting in March thirteenth, nineteen

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ninety seven, we welcome and inviteyou to join us. And if you
saw similar phenomena, We're getting peoplefrom worldwide that have seen similar phenomena that
are joining us in this very groundbreaking, important effort to scientifically show exactly what
people were feeling and their experiences is. And it is just I mean,

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it's my goggling. And we're soexcited. We're in peer review right now,
and uh, you know, soonwe're gonna we're going to be moving
forward. In fact, I'm goingto be writing another book. This is
my book, The Phoenix Life,Skeptics Discovery that We Are Not Alone.
It's in its fourth print, andI of course it's in paperback, but
I also invite people to get thee book because it has color pictures and

(57:23):
live lengths and there's a picture thatI now have in the fourth edition that
our older son took. That convincedme that this is all real. It
really pushed me to come forward.I won't spoil it for anybody, but
almost, we're almost, We're atthe tail and we're almost, let's say
number twenty race. This is doctorLynn's award winning documentary. I can't wait

(57:45):
to see that. I've not seenthat, so I want to watch that.
Is that on the stream? Yeah? It stream or is it on
UFO T But it'd streaming on AmazonPrime, Ghulu, also Apple TV and
you Connet. Steven d through arethrough our website with bonus features. I

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mean they're amazing. That's not edgarMitchell is in it and he talks about
the cover up in the bonus features, as well as a ninety three year
young a Prink pilot who saw foodfighters during World War Two. There's a
lot there's blood in our documentary.And then my most recent endeavor is a

(58:28):
graphic novel and activities coloring book forall. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful,
look at that. I wish Iwas six, I would color I would
color that for you. That isamazing. We have the ten different craft
that covered to scale. I workedwith a Disney illustrator and a map maker,
and we have eighty crop circles andactivities we have from sacred geometry to

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word finders and answers for those ofus who were challenged. So yeah,
I hope that people will look thatup on Amazon as well. You're very
and then this is you. Thisis not the other day. Is this
a previous year? Yeah, thisis this is a couple of years ago.
And you know where I always keeplooking up And now you know that
it's a double entendre because when Ifound the connection between all on the explained

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phenomena, whether it's near death experience, out of body, unexplained aerial phenomena,
not only in the experience itself,but in the after effect, the
awakening, the enlightenment. That's halfthe book. I mean, it's really
important that people know how these phenomenaare really affecting people at such a deep
level. I still have people tellme that they feel blessed to have had

(59:38):
that experience, and in real timeand long term people were in awe and
in wonder and felt connected. Imean, there's really a story to be
told, which we're continuing the story, and I hope people will pick up
the book and take a look atthe meetings Lights Network website as well as
the documentary. It's the documentary,the real grassroots effort. And people keep

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telling me that people keep coming backhere after year or tour event and saying
that I learned something new every timeI watch it. So I hope people
will check it out. Thank youfor sharing, Thank you very much.
Just real quick, I saw amajor UFO in nineteen seventy with my father,
and then I completely forgot about it, totally, completely forgot for forty

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seven years, and then my dadpassed in twenty seventeen. I went to
a deli to get a pastrami sandwichand I got a beam, Doctor Lynn,
I swear I got a beam oflight from above beamed into my head.
And the home movie of my nineteenseventy UFO siding with my father played,
played in the air like a digitalthrough my eyes. It played like

(01:00:45):
a movie, and I watched itand it then I broke my book.
After they came and created the HollywoodDisclosure Alliance and met wonderful people like you
and Nick Pope and Richard Dolan andSteve Bassetts are like my best Paul Heydek.
They're like my best friend, soit changed my life in many way
anyways, so I understand what you'resaying. Thank you for being our guest.
Congratulations on all your things you do. Let's stay in touch and check

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out the Phoenix Lights network. Likedoctor Lind said, thank you for being
my guest. Next week, myguest will be Peter kauran k U r
a n. He worked on theoriginal Star Wars movie with George Lucas.
He's one of my best friends andhe has all kinds of documentaries about the
making of the atomic bomb. Andin light of the fact that Appenheimer just

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one best picture, he's a verytimely guest. So Peter Kuran is my
guest next week, live from Hollywood. It's Paranormal Tonight. Thank you for
joining. Thank you, Doctor Lynn. I'm Dan Harari and we'll see you
next week. Thank you. Ch