June 1, 2024 • 61 mins
On this edition of Live from Hollywood…It’s Paranormal Tonight! host Dan Harary will interview critically acclaimed movie and TV actor Thomas Jane, perhaps best known for his roles in The Expanse, *61, Deep Blue Sea, The Punisher, The Mist, The Thin Red Line, Boogie Nights, and many others. A longtime ET researcher, Thomas will be a guest speaker at Contact at the Desert 2024 and is currently completing a book about the intersection between alien and human societies called A Human’s Guide To Visiting Aliens. Dan and Thomas will discuss his notable Hollywood career, his long-held interest in the idea of aliens, and his thoughts about the role that Hollywood can – and should - play in the future to help develop feature films, TV shows and documentaries centered around the UFO/ET phenomenon.
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O Love from Hollywood. It's verynormal ten nights. I'm Mark Summers and
now here's your host, Dan Orriri, Dan Hurriri. That's me. Hello,
everybody, Welcome to another episode ofLive from Hollywood. It's paranormal tonight.
I am Dan Harrari, broadcasting livein technicolor from my beautiful office in
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downtown Beverly Hills. I've been aHollywood publicist the very long time. I'm
an author of a few books.Behind Me After They Came is my Benevolent
Aliens book. Not many people writeabout benevolent aliens. And my Flirty with
Fame Hollywood book is my Hollywood careerand lots of fun photos of me with
famous people. Blah blah blah blah. Anyway, just a quick plug.
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miss out. I'll see you there. Please look for me, and my
next guest will be there as well. And speaking of my next guest,
we have a very special show tonight. I don't want to babble up front
too much, so here we go. Actor, producer, director, and
author Thomas Jane is a man ofmany talents. A triple Golden Globe Award
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nominee for the comedy series Hung,Thomas has starred in such classic films as
The Thin Red Line, Deep Blue, Sy Boogie Knights, The Punisher,
Magnolia, The Vanished, The SweetestThing, and The Mist. He won
critical acclaim for his role as NewYork Yankees baseball legend Mickey Mantle in HBO's
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Wonderful, Wonderful Movie. One ofmy favorites HBO's movie called sixty One with
a Little Asterisk was directed by BillyCrystal, and Thomas was recently seen on
TV in the Alcon sci fi seriesThe Expanse. Thomas's production company, Renegade
Entertainment, which launched in twenty nineteen, recently wrapped production on the second season
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of their scripted series Tropo, andThomas stars in that series for Amazon,
IMDbTV, and AGC Studios. Duringthe past four years, Rene Renegade Entertainment
as completed production on Murder at YellowstoneCity, The Last Sun, and the
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noir thriller Dig. In twenty twenty, Thomas starred in the film's run Hide
Fight, which premiered at the VeniceFilm Festival, A two fours hot Summer
Nights opposite Timothy Chalome and twentieth CenturyFox's The Predator, directed by Shane Black.
Now here's something you don't know aboutThomas Jane. Thomas Jane is also
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an author, and he's currently completinghis nonfiction book, A Humans Guide to
Advanced Visiting Aliens. So clearly wehave a lot to talk to Thomas about.
Thomas hopes that his new book willbecome indispensable for ufologists, futurists,
humanists, and anyone else with akeen interest in the human animal. In
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the book, Thomas poses the questionsof where we may or may not be
destined to go as individuals, asa society, and as a species when
mankind moves further and further into thefuture. So, now, without any
further ado, let's bring in theone and only mister Thomas Jane. And
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there he is. Hey, Hey, hey, Matt, how are you.
This is a good thing to bedoing at ten o'clock on a Thursday.
I like it a lot. Yeah, yeah, thank you very much
for doing this for me. Really, Thomas, I appreciate it. Man.
I like your laid back style.You know, this reminds me of
long drives and you got the AMradio on and you're listening to two guys
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chat about stuff. You're going,what the hell they well, the truth.
The truth is, I didn't getmy nap today. I had a
very big client project today. Andevery day I take a nap, I
do three thirty to five. Ohyeah, it's a dispensable and I didn't
get my nap today, Thomas.So if I would like to start,
you'll just you'll just prod me,all right, So a race can we
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put up slide one. Please maybeshe will there he is? Okay,
Oh so, Thomas, you andI met at the launch of the Hollywood
Disclosure Alliance. That was back inNovember twenty twenty three. It went that
was quite a while ago. Itfeels like two days ago, but it
was quite a few months ago.If you met at Mussa and Franks,
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that's you and me. That's whenwe met, and that's when we launched
our little group and races slide numbertwo. There you are with Do you
want to name these people or wouldyou like me to? There's Heinech,
my buddy, Paul. Paul onthe right. You can't can't make out
the other guys, you have tochange, okay. So on the right
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of the famous Paul Heinex, JayAllen Heinixson far left is Craig Campobasso.
He's a great guy. Yeah yeah, get that Extra Guide to Extraterrestrial It's
really good. Yeah. Yeah.He's a very very good author. He's
an excellent author. Behind him isSean West. Sean I think, yeah,
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I think he worked with him.Thomas Sean is the agent to the
UFO stars. He's the agent forRichard Dolan and Nick Pope, among others.
And in the back is Ron James, filmmaker. He's a client of
mind for PR and Ron is goingto be releasing his sequel to Accidental Truth,
the UFO documentary, very very soon. So yeah, that was a
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fun day, man, and itwas really cool that you were there.
It's a good crowd and it's agood, good project. You know.
I like the idea of trying tobring in a little bit of reality to
the Hollywood game. You know,ninety five percent of the alien stuff is
all about alien invasions, so it'snice to write try to bend the wheel
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a little bit. Absolutely, allright, Race, you can kill that
one please, Okay, So Thomas, I have a couple of quick questions.
Now, this is interesting. Youwere a member of a UFO group
with Steve Bassett like ten years agoor something in Marina del Rey. That's
how we met you. So Iwould ask you some questions that did that
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UFO group have a name? AndI heard what was called Paradigm? Was
it called the Paradigm Research Group?That that's Steven's organization, Yeah, but
I think that the group was calledsomething like that as well. But my
memory is not the best when itcomes to names, okay, And do
you remember some of the some ofthe other people that were there, members
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or where you met. We metat a little soundstage. It was like
a little studio in the middle ofMarina del Rey. It was always at
night, you know, so you'realways walking down back alleys to get into
this studio. It was a big, wide, open space like most studios
are, and the light was inthe middle, so it was kind of
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dark around the edges, you know. And my first time I went there,
I kind of hung out in theshadows and just watched everybody there was
some television producers were there, somewriters and some moufon guys, just guys
who were interested in the subject,you know. And I was new.
I was very new to the gamewhen this thing came out, so I
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was excited to go down there andmeet a few people, and Steve Bassett
being one of them. We hitit off and we've stayed in touch ever
since, right, that's right toI mean, did Stephen Holt Court was
he? Oh? He was,you know, he was on the cutting
edge. He's been on the cuttingedge for thirty years and at that time,
the sort of mock. Congressional hearingswere happening around that time, so
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there was a lot of news similarto what's going on today a little bit
but not quite as big because itwasn't making you know, the New York
Times, right, but it wasIt was an interesting time, you know,
if there was always sort of afeeling of that's something good was going
to happen. The atmosphere was kindof baited. We were waiting with baited
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breath for something that of course neverhappened or not yet, hopefully soon.
Stephen Stephen tells the story that oneday Paul Heinech came to your meeting and
he happened to mention his last name, and everybody, hee Heidich, What
do you what do you remember aboutthat? If anything? That's right?
Yeah, he said, you knowpeople when you go around and introduce themselves
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and this this one guy says,yeah, I'm my name's Paul Heineck,
and Bassett goes, wait, wait, wait, White, wait a second,
did you say Heineck? Are youtalking about Jay Allen? But yeah,
that's my dad, and he goes, Jesus, get come here,
come here. That's a true storythen, right, that really happened,
absolutely true story. Yeah, Iwas there for that. I didn't meet,
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I didn't really get I mean Iwas introduced to Paul at that time,
but then a producer buddy of minetook me down to one of the
special effects studios and that's where Iactually met Paul. We met talking about
special effects on movies. Right,So that's that's where we were, you
know, sort of really introduced,and you know, got to hanging out
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a little bit. Paul's fantastic guy, bright, smart as a whip,
greatly and he'll be there at theuh oh yeah, sure. He's a
good friend, good friend of mine. He's on the board of HDA as
our view. We did an eventa few weeks ago with him and his
brother. Have you ever met hisbrother, Joel? I have. Yeah.
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In fact, me and Paul justI flew down to Texas with my
daughter Harlowe to see the eclipse.Oh okay, so we hooked up with
Paul and Joel and a big groupof his family and friends. And you
know, of course when we gotthere it was cloudy, right. I
heard about that. Oh my god, I just spent so much money on
the damn tickets. To me andthe kid down here to watch the clouds.
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This is, you know. ButI was with the right group.
They had six different apps, openweather apps, and they were they were
triangulating the clouds and the weather andthe pattern. And so we hal happed
in like a caravan of four carsand we drove two and a half hours
out into the middle of nowhere.We ended up in this little air field
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had only little planes, and therewere wild flowers in the field. And
we set up and we're like,it was still cloudy, like all right,
well, this is as good aplace as any. The clouds would
break every now and then you'd seethe eclipse start, you know. But
we had we had sandwiches and wewere in we had chairs and we were
hanging out. And about two minutesbefore the eclipse came on for real,
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the clouds parted, the blue skycame out, the moon went over the
sun. We saw the whole totality. The world got dark, the most
eeriest light. I've never seen atotality like that before. Let me tell
you, it's a hell of alot different than a partial eclipse. The
full deal. The world turns atone like, the insects got quiet,
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the whole world took on this magicalkind of surrealistic tone for a good five
minutes, and then when it wasreally dark, the crickets started going,
the airport lights came on. Imean, it was it was magical.
All we have one thing now,and then like that ended, you know,
the song started peeking out the otherside of the moon, and then
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the clouds came over, and thatwas it. So you got it exactly,
You got it exactly, and itcouldn't have been better because of the
drama, you know, the dramaof whether or not we were going to
actually get to see this damn thing, and it turnout I was with the
right group of guys, so itwas. It was magical. I don't
think it'll ever be that magical again. There's another one in twenty seven.
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I plan on going. It's inCairo. Okay, have you been there
before? I've never been, sothat's going to be my excuse to go
see the Pyramids and go see Cairoand hopefully hook up with some people in
the field. I'm sure it's goingto be a hell of an event.
You know, it's going to besix and a half minutes of totality,
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which is really long and really unusual. So twenty seven in Cairo. If
anybody wants to meet me, thenare you going to take Harlow with you?
Absolutely? Will you take me withyou? Tellmas I'll go. She
fell in love with it. Whoevercan, whoever can my suitcase, you
can, I will shove myself intoyour suitcase. I would absolutely. I
want to see the Pyramids someday.How did you get interested in the UFO
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E T phenomenon? And have youhad any personal sightings or personal experiences in
that? In that yes? Wow? Okay, So that's a question that
deserves a longer answer. You know, it sounds like a yes. It
sounds like a yes, Thomas,an absolute yeah. But you know,
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how as far as I have yes, your answer is yes, And I
had a couple of experiences that thatwe can talk about. But I as
for how I got into it,you know, I grew up in Maryland.
I was an Army brat. Mymom and my dad were in the
Army. I was born at FortMead near Maryland. Both parents in Vietnam.
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I got out of there when Iwas sixteen, well fifteen and a
half the first time. As soonas I got my learner's permit. I
was out, you know, Iwas looking for adventure. I couldn't really
be held down. I was crushedby the school system. That I learned
early on was this. You know, it was a system designed to crush
any kind of free spirited inquiry,any sort of imagination, and somehow I
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keyed into that. I was like, this is bad. You know.
My parents moved around a lot whenI was a kid, so I had
this kind of outsider sort of thingwe removed. I didn't go to kindergarten,
so by the time everybody was infirst grade, it was like my
first day of school. Ever.I never went to nursery school in kindergarten.
I didn't have any friends. Welived out in the country. My
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dog was my best friend. Hisname was Buck. Best friend I ever
had, and a great way togrow up out in the country, me
and a dog running around in thefields. But it didn't, you know,
socialize me very well. Okay,so you know I got into gifted
and talented classes as a kid.I guess they thought I was bright.
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I remember the first thing I did, like they make you do these sort
of presentation essay type things. Idid it on pulsars and quasars, and
how how old the like I wasprobably seven seven, you're doing poulsa.
I don't even know what is now. At the time, they were new,
like they've just been discovered. SoI thought that was when it gave
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me an interest in the early interestin the universe. So I started as
cool late. I moved around alot. I read a lot of books.
I watched a lot of movies.I read a lot of comic books.
I was into art class so andI wanted to be an artist.
I wanted to be a comic bookartist. But I also played football,
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so I wasn't a jock. Iwasn't an art nerd I kind of seemed
to always fall between the cracks andthe themes of society, right, and
this is kind of where I'm whereI'm going with this. I was a
punk rocker in suburban America. Youknow, as we were talking earlier on
its very much the DIY, youknow, ethic was I really responded to.
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I used to listen. I wasgrew up, grew up around d
C. So I listened to minorthreat the Rights of Spring, which merged
into fugazi anything on the discord label, you know. And as far as
movies, it was Roger, itwas John Waters, you know, you
like Hairspray, Polyester, you know, David Lynch's eraser Head. I mean,
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these these are the movies of myyouth and and anything that Clint Eastwood
did. Wow. So your parentssupposed to look at you like, where
the hell did you come from?Right? So? Yeah, and then
I dropped out. I finally,you know, dropped out of high school.
I go, I just can't takethis anymore, you know, at
fifteen and a half, I triedto taken off for the first time.
I got caught and brought back andmy phone, so like, what the
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hell's wrong with you? And Iwas, I can't do that anymore.
I can't do I can't do that, I can't go in there and you
know, be brainwashed anymore. Ididn't use those words, but I was
just like, I can't, Ican't do that. So my mom found
me an acting class because I usedto build sets in the in art school.
You would build the sets and youwould paint the sets and all that,
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and that got me into acting thatI wound up in India doing Bollywood
films at sixteen. Wow. Yeah, I got. They came down to
my acting class. They were lookingfor, you know, a white guy
to be in this Romeo and JulietBollywood things. So I did that.
I came back packed up all mystuff, went to San Francisco. I
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went to acting school there. Irealized that there wasn't any you know,
Hollywood was not in San Francisco.That's how I just, that's how little
I knew of how the world worked. So I went down to La.
I didn't have any money. Ilived in my car. I mean,
I was just flying by the seatof my pants. You know, I
don't even know if I've read JackKEROUACX on the Road yet, but somewhere
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around in there, I you knowthat Henry Miller like those were my you
know, down and out in Parisby is it? Orwell? Well,
like Thomas said, what what yearare you in LA living in your car?
About eighty years? We're talking aboutthe early eighties, mid eighties,
Yeah, mid mid eighties. WellI was supposed to grab I was.
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I would have been the class ofeighty seven. So I dropped out a
couple of years before that. Thatwas when I was fifteen. So yeah,
we're talking. We're talking mid eighties, eighty four, eighty five,
eighty six. You know who elselived in his car in the late seventies
early eighties lived in his car JayLeno, No shit, he lived in
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his car behind the comedy store.I was. I was his publicist for
two years in the eighties when hegot the Tonight Show. But right,
you know, people like people likeyou and Jay leto man you I knew.
I knew Bruce Springstein before he wasfamous, and he used to sleep
on the beach and hitchhiker. Youguys, you guys that have made it
in life. You know, you'vebeen very persistent and very consistent. You
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sort of have a dream and youmake it happen. It's very cool.
Well that's you. And you meeta lot of really interesting people when you're
living on the street. You know, I would think, I would think,
so, yeah, a lot offringe characters who live on the edge
of society. And that brings usto your et abduction. I would yeah,
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so, so tell us about youret UFO, because I know you're
hesitating for obviously for some reason.I'm just trying to I'm trying to paint
a picture of sort of like whatkind of person gets into this stuff?
You know? Okay, And StephenHawking had a quote that I will never
forget. He said, if UFOsare real, why don't they always appear
to freak some weirdos? Right?Well, you know, it's these folks
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that live sort of on the edgesthat have either dropped out or fallen through
the cracks, you know, anda lot of them are very intelligent.
You know. You find the ratioof smart people the dumb people. There's
a lot more, you know thanin general society as people who've kind of
you know, decided to to orbeen kicked out, either forced out or
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decided to get out. So I'dsay it was about twelve years ago.
But that but the first experience thatI had twelve years ago, I had
an experience that I can't explain thatI blew my mind, that I couldn't
wrap my head around, and changedeverything for me, and it sent me
down this rabbit hole. Now,I would think that if you were a
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person who went to high school andwent to college and got the you know,
the job and put on a suitevery day day, and had an
experience like that, you probably wantto forget about it as soon as possible,
or it might bother you for awhile, but you know, you'd
want to get back in the boat, you know. I always never in
the you never Okay. So itsent me down this this rabbit hole that
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I was to discover had no end. You know, it just opened up
a world of uh, A wholenew world, you know, that's that
that we're living in, you know, a world of subterfuge, conspiracy,
cover ups. I mean, Jesus, you got to go, await a
second, now, what the hellis going on with people? If this
is if this is uh in thesame category, you know as the lockness
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monster when I go to the library, right, So was your experience with
with a bean, with a craftwith an entity? Was it in your
in your room or you outside?Just generically if you don't want to be
specif yeah, and I won't.You know, I find that, you
know, the experience itself is notas important as just the having the experience,
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if that makes sense. It wasI was. It was three o'clock
in the morning. I was inmy house, this house that that I'm
in right now. I had insomnia, which wasn't not uncommon for me.
I went through years of insomnia.I got a little older and it went
away, thank God. But notuncommon for me to be up at three
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and a four three o'clock in themorning, laying on the couch reading a
book and uh and I and Ihad an experience that you know, you
go to you go to bed asone person and you wake up as another
overnight and I started, I startedlooking for answers. I called psychics.
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I didn't. I never even thoughtabout psychics before I went to the library.
I was looking around for where doesthis fit, you know, in
this world? And it brought back, you know, a memory that I
have. And I talked about thison the last interview I did, but
I'll mention it briefly. You know, I was my dad is a big
face, Thomas. I hate todo this, man, I still hate
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to do this. Yeah, wehave to take a break. Oh can
we come back exactly to where youare right now? Yeah? Yeah,
okay, okay, Race, let'srock with a break here. Ay.
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Most h h and we're back.It's paranormal tonight. I'm Dan Hurri
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and Race. Let's bring back ThomasJane Thomas brother. We had to.
We have to base of bills aroundthere. Give me time to make a
nice cup of tea. There yougo. So, last last we were
speaking, you were in your homeis three in the morning, on a
couch. You had an experience andthen I want to see that Day of
the Earth stood still. It soundedlike they were going to do a screening
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of that. That sounded great,so I'll be I'll be looking that up
after we're done. Well, whichthe original or the remix? Yeah,
it looked like they were again.They even had a big statue of gort
Oh. One of my best friendsis Fred Barton. He's called the robot
Man. He builds Gorton. Doyou know Fred Barton? You know it
sounds familiar. I've known a coupleof these guys that have He's the guy.
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He's the He's the guy. Hedid the robot from Lust in Space
Gort, the Star Wars Robots,Robbie from Forbidden Platt. That what a
cool moniker that is. Boy,I make the robots for Hollywood. That's
pretty his website. His website isthe robotman dot com. Anyway, Okay,
so let's get back to your experiencehere. Well, I remember one
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experience that I'd completely forgotten about untilafter this this had happened. Was and
you know, it happened to mewhen I was about eight maybe nine.
My dad and my granddad were bigfishermen, still are. In fact,
I'm going to Montana with my oldManda do some trout fishing in the spring.
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We're driving back from one of ourexcursions. You know, the old
man would wake you up at fouro'clock in the morning, you know,
throw you in the car, godown into the river, spend the day.
And it was nighttime. We weredriving back. My grandpa's car had
a sunroof, okay, and I'min the back, Grandpa's driving, Dad's
in the driver's seat, and Ilook up through the sunroof and I see
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this glowing orangish yellow fireball circling inthe sky above us, like figure eights.
And I tried to get and Iwas like, wow, you know,
I've never seen anything like that.I tried to get my dad's attention,
would he and he just, likeboth of them just sat there staring
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straight ahead, driving in the night, you know, through out there in
the country, driving home. AndI remember talking to them and going,
hey, hey, look are youguys seeing this and them just being completely
non responsive. That memory is soold that I can't I can't tell if
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that was a dream or a realmemory, but it's there and it doesn't
feel like a dream. But veryinteresting when I started doing a little research
about, you know, when whenthe non responsiveness, the sort of they
were like in a trance. Theywere turned off, turned off, right,
that's you were you were? Youwere, Yeah, you were turned
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on. It sounds like the UFOwas giving you a private show and your
dad and your granddad were probably notsupposed to be part of your experience.
Fascinating, you know, and andwhether or not that I really don't think
that anything else happened besides that,but you know, they may they may
have just been checking people out asthey're sort of, you know, trying
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not to trying not to hit deer, deer or bears or antelopes on the
I think. But no, that'sa that's a really good story, Ben.
I love to state New Upstate,New York. Yeah, that's a
real good story. Okay, let'sI've got some more questions for you.
I think this year you're going tobe at your very first contact in the
desert. Right. You've not beenthere before, have you. I've always
wanted to go, and I've neverbeen in town, you know, I've
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always been working. So this timeI've blocked it out, not going anywhere.
I'm going to be there. I'mgoing to be there the whole time.
I want to check There's a lotof people I want to check out.
I want to see Avi Lobe.You know, he's a really interesting
new voice. You you need toyou need to talk to Whitley streeber Thomas.
Absolutely, Yeah, you should definitelytalk to him about some of your
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experiences, you know. Yeah,Yeah, you're going to You're going to
do a lecture. I wrote this. You're going to do a lecture,
a workshop. I am going todo a ninety minute lecture. I'm going
to take a lot of material fromthe book you know, right, and
my uh my lectures called When WorldsCollide's I think that's a nineteen fifty three
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movie by George Powell. Yeah,but I think because I call it that,
because I think what we're dealing withis the intersection of three different worlds.
There's the world that we live in, you and I and everyone else,
with all its complexity and history andyou know, human civilization where we're
now on the verge of this burgeoningAI complex. It's the fruit of you
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know, centuries of labor, right, that's us. And then there's the
world which I listened to to thisguy named Dane Wiggington, and he's all
about geo engineering, okay, donatingstuff. I don't know where I stand
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on it all, but I alwaystune into him. He's on Saturday afternoons
on YouTube. You can find himgeo I think his thing is called you
Engineering dot Com. And he callsthem the controllers, right, the the
people who control the money, thepeople who control the world. You make
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these decisions. You know, thesepeople are in the middle of some sort
of assault on Western civilization. Soyou got those guys, and then you
would that be the illuminati, youknow, No, okay, but they're
not that because they're not that bright. Probably, Yeah, yeah, you
know, I don't think there's anyone black hand that's kind of guiding the
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whole thing. I really do,so I think it's all dictating quite rightly.
Yeah, we'll kill that guy andmaybe things will change. You know.
It's uh, like George Carlin said, he goes these people went to
the same colleges, they go tothe they join the same clubs. They
all smelling sculling balance, right,they all been sculling bucks does. And
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they don't need to call a meeting. You know, they know what their
best interests are. They don't haveto talk about it. They don't need
to call them meeting. They justthey just do it. And those are
the guys, you know, they'rebred. It's these families. I mean,
you do the research, and allthese families go back hundreds of years
and we're basically living under this aristocraticsystem that America broke off from and tried
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to create a new system without kingsand queens and dukes and archbishops and all
that crap, and we ended upbasically with the same system, but they
just kind of change the names aroundbecause they're very powerful. They've been in
control for a very long time,and now they've got some really sophisticated toys,
you know, and they want tostay in power, and they're thinking
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ten twenty years ahead, and they'rethinking, Okay, this Internet's coming on.
You know, people have access toincredible amounts of information now. Kind
of shooting themselves in the foot becausea lot of people are turning to alternative
media now to get to get thenews, to try to you know,
talk to each other to get thetrue I mean, I don't think trust
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in mainstream media has ever been solow. Who's the third Who's the third
group? The aliens right right?Them them visitors, they're aliens, and
these three worlds are kind of onthis collision course right now. We're at
a really interesting time in human history. I think there is a battle going
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on for control of the Western world. We see we've seen countries turn totalitarian,
but they're individual countries. You know, they're in their Eastern Europe.
You know, maybe they were fallinglike dominoes for a while there, but
this is the first time where we'rekind of seeing an assault on the whole
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of the Western world. That's thatmakes it different. You know. I
think they've been trying to do thatfor quite a long time, but now
they're they we finally got the technologyto actually be able to wrangle you know,
a good third of the world,you know, and probably the whole
world, because you've got digital IDcoming in, You've got you know,
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digital money coming in, where theycan turn on and off your the spickett.
You know, in fifteen minute cities, if you walk outside the city
limits, your your your palm won'twork anymore when you try there. There
are Starbucks Thomas. They don't takecash anymore. That amazes me. I
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tried to put money in the bank. I've got a little farmhouse in France,
and I went down there and Ibrought some cash with me and I
wanted to put it in my bankaccount in France. So I walked in
with a little zipper, you know, a little bank bank bag, big
zipper. Yeah, yeah, Ilove those, Yeah, I love those.
I put it down and I said, here's my account number. I
like to deposit this, and theysaid they looked at me and they said,
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no, no, you can't putthat in the bank. Really,
they said you couldn't put cash inthe bank, could not put my cash
in the bank. And I tried, you know, my French is terrible,
but trying to get you know,answers, and the closest I could
get was they if they don't knowwhere the money is coming from, they
can't deposit it. You're you're oneof the great you know, mafioso money
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lunderers of our time. Right,Yeah, they're all drug cart Thomas Jane
Job is taking the drug cartel lordfrom Mexico. Here's my take for the
for the week. I want youto very interesting. You know, it's
starting to happen everywhere. Let's talkabout your book. What inspired your book?
What do you hope to accomplish?And again it's called a Humans Guide
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to Visiting Aliens and you know alot of people are going to want to
talk to you about it, tocontact and read it. So what inspired
it and what what what's your premisefor the book? Read a lot of
books, great books, a lotabout that. There's wonderful books on the
history of UFOs. There's wonderful bookson disclosure, on the military interaction with
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these craft over the past eighty years. You've got books about UFOs and water.
Great book by Wind. I thinkit is USOS. There's a new
documentary called trans Medium USOS and MaskMovers, and Dolan is just finishing up
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his book on USOS. So Ithink that's really cool. Not a lot
of books on sort of what doesit mean? You know? Okay,
So aliens they're here. They existobviously from somewhere we don't know, but
probably from other planets probably, andthey've probably been around a lot longer than
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we have, or they've developed ata rate that's much faster than we have.
Probably been around a lot longer.They've got technology that we don't understand.
They look humanoid. Okay, sothe first thing you know, when
you talk to some like Neil DegrassTyson or you know, anybody in the
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from the straight science world, they'regoing to go. And they've said this
for years. If you rewound thetape on Earth and you played evolution all
over again, nothing like a humanoidsort of bipedal, hairless ape should ever
appear again in it. Because ofall the flukes and accidents and all of
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the machinations over time, which iswhich you know, the asteroid comes and
wipes out all of life on Earth, or the whole breezes and turns into
an ice ball. Like none ofthat would happen, and some new series
of events would happen. And thenif we did develop some sort of intelligence,
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which isn't obvious, but if wedid, it wouldn't look anything like
us. And yet we have ninetynine one point nine percent of the contact
cases describe humanoid aliens. So that'samazing. So I started doing research into
why is that? How could thatbe? The other thing, you know,
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is consciousness. Okay, they're obviouslyconscious and so are we, so,
but we don't have anything else tocompare ourselves to, or at least
we haven't until now, and inthe straight world we still don't because there's
still denying that anything like this couldpossibly exist. You know. So there's
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you know, the faster than light, the technology, how do they get
there? All that's fascinating, andI get into that, but I really
fascinated with how do intelligent societies evolveand what are the similarities because there seemed
to be an awful lot of similarities. And if that's true, and these
humanoid intelligent, conscious societies are croppingup on planets all over and who knows
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how many, but it could bequite a few. I suspect that it
is. Then we're living in avery different world than, you know,
than the textbooks tell us we do. And the possibilities are enormous, enormous,
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And so that's why I wrote thebook. And I also wanted to
explore the idea of purpose. Youknow, everybody on planet or we we're
individuals. We've got a private mind, we have private dreams. We go
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to bed and have our little dreams, and you know, maybe that'll change
soon, but nobody else, youknow, you're the only one that it
experiences. Those dreams are those thoughts. You've got basic needs, you know,
uh, sex, food, shelter, in that order. And you've
got you've got uh desire, youknow, desire for something called fulfillment or
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happiness, this elusive happiness thing.And we're social creatures, you know,
we have a desire to contribute somethingto society, or at least have a
society of friends and family. Thatsociety is changing in ways that because of
the Internet. You know, itused to be your friends that you could
call on the phone, the townthat you were from now. Now that's
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becoming a whole other ball of axewith the social media and stuff like that.
But what are we doing here?What's our what's our purpose? And
I wonder, and I explore thisin the book, that these these other
civilizations that have survived probably a hellof a lot longer than than we have,
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and we might not make it.Well, it's not obvious that we're
going to get through the next yearright now. The way things are going
right now, it's pretty scary.Yeah, it's pretty scary right now,
very scary. Uh. And maybeyou know, hopefully this is this is
just another kind of bottleneck like weexperienced during World War Two and after hope,
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hopefully we'll we'll come out the otherend of this, But it's not
obvious that we will. And Iwonder if the difference doesn't have something to
do with a communal purpose, youknow, a what something to aim at
that's bigger than us, that goeson long after we die. You know,
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we have we have on planet Eartha lot of trouble planning for the
future. You know, we canyou know, set up an Ira and
you know, think about one daywe'll be old and we'll have to retire.
We can think about stuff like that, but it's a society. You
know. Remember that tsunami that happenedin Japan, sure, sure on the
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eleven maybe so another one happened onehundred years maybe two hundred years, but
I can't remember the date. Beforethat, a massive tsunami wiped out Japan,
a lot of Japan. So thepeople in Japan said, you know
what, let's build these giant pillarsten foot tall, massive pillars, and
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we're going to place them on theshoreline all around the island, and we're
going to write in stone, We'regoing to carve into the stone. Do
not build below this point, becausethat's the point where everybody got wiped out,
right, And that lasted, youknow, a couple of generations,
and then those people died, andthen nobody was alive in Japan that remembered
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that tsunami. And people were lookingat those pillars, and the real estate
guys were going, God, youknow, Jesus, we could make a
killing, and so they started tobuild. Wow, I never heard this
below that pillar, right, andnever heard any of this. And they
built up in cities formed and townsand giant communities, and then twenty eleven
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happened and wiped everybody out. Again, we don't have the capability, it
seems to think long term, youknow, long term goals, and I
think we're gonna need I think we'regonna need them if we're going to survive
and think about survival of the species. It's not just do you think we
can make it through this budding worldwar that's at our doorstep right now?
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It's what about what after that?And after that? You know, And
you know Ray Kurtzweil, he certainlythinks about what's possible in the tech technology
field. But but where we haven'twe don't have we don't have a purpose.
I can say that it sounds likeyour book is something of a philosophical
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piece, a blueprint or a roadmapor a guide a guy we should where
we should be going. Yeah,that's part of it for sure. And
the and the but the the stuffthat I'm most interested in that really,
you know, kept me coming backto the computer with stuff like telepathy,
How the hell does that work?Like there's so many accounts of telepathy.
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I mean, it's pretty much ubiquitousthroughout alien encounters. And is that technological
telepathy? Is it innate? Itseems to be innate. So I explore,
uh, you know, some ofthe research on SI phenomena, you
know, which includes telepathy and andyou know, all that all that fun
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consciousness work that we seem to bejust at the very beginning of. It's
still another field that's completely unaccepted inmainstream science, but it's backed up by
a lot of data, a lotof great data in that in that world.
But if it's true, then thatmeans that this this consciousness thing that
we possess and that apparently these alienspossess, is bigger than a natural evolutionary
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sort of fluke that happened to arise, you know, from ape like creatures
that banded together and started hunting andthen they used symbols to communicate, and
it's you know, we sort ofbootstrapped this consciousness that we now possess.
You know, how do you feelhow do you feel about Eric Vandanikin's theory
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that they you know, they helpedto craft mankind. You know, they
were the chromagdan Man and you know, andanderthal Man and then Thomas do you
ever hear of the Great brain eventfifty thousand years ago? There was the
Great brain event. The University ofChicago did a study and they said,
fifty thousand years ago, human beingsbrains like you know, little little walnuts,
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and then overnight, overnight, overnight, they became our brains. That
was years ago. We developed symbolismand that really you know, it's been
like art, you know, artsymbolism, and that really changed our brains.
Well, well, that's when humanaccording to Eric Fidanekin and those people,
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and I absolutely believe this, thatyou know, our our our caveman
ancestors with sticks and twigs, suddenlybecame us and we're becoming geniuses looking at
the stars and doing astronomy and helpingthe helping the aliens build the pyramids.
You know, we we we wechanged very very quickly, very you know,
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over overnight three million years, ourbrains basically doubled in size. And
it took about three million years forthat to happen. But it's also but
it's one of the it's unheard ofin evolutionary biology that that would happen.
And then you're right past fifty thousandyears, we took another great leap forward,
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you know, And whether or notthis is a result of sort of
symbolic language that we developed and thenthat created because we know now that if
I learn a new skill, likeif I sit myself down and learn how
to play the piano and work outit, new neural neurons are going to
be forming inside my head like likeclass those clus those when you lived weights
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Yeah, yeah, and which istrue for our brand. So is it
part is it that you know oror is it a gene that's spent that
was you know, sort of splicedand put together in a different way.
There's evidence for that, you know, there's a really interesting the thing with
the the uh, the monkeys andthe apes and the chromosomes we have,
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we have what do we have?One less chromosome than the than the monkeys,
The monkeys, the chimps. Twoof them melded together in a very
unusual way that we don't also don'tsee anywhere in nature. And the way
they the way chromosomes usually merge together, they they merge together like that,
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but this one merged together like that, which is very odd. So I
get into all that. So it'sI mean, it's endless. What's fun
about this is that it really changesthe game. It changes everything do you
think everything how we view ourselves,reality, nature? What about a biogenesis
life? Life? Right? Soif these guys have been around way longer
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than we have, and they probablyhave, that means that while our planet
was busy making single celled organisms,other societies on other planets, we're out
there, you know, building theinternet. So what does that tell us
about the origin of life? Youknow how I guess it? Obviously not
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such a fluke right right now,I mean, believe it or not,
a lot of people still are goingfor this lightning bolt in a warm puddle
theory of how life started. Butobviously there's something more to it if it's
you know, pretty damn common inour in our universe. My daughter's writing
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in here, the brain increasing conceptcould be similar to what happened to Stephen
Hawking. His body gave out becausehis brain literally needed more room. She's
watching that movie about Stephen Honking.Great movie, and uh, you know
what a genius And yeah, firstHawking that you know, obviously a lot
of scientists were saying the same sortof stuff for Hawking to say, Hey,
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you know, if UFOs are real, why do they only appear to
freaks and weirdos? It's it's verytelling, you know, of sort of
how we how we're trained to uhto view this kind of stuff. And
it's criminal because the opportunity, thedoors that will open to us. Should
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we walk through this door and go, okay, we're obviously not the pinnacle
of God's creation. There's a lotmore of us and a lot more going
on. It changes everything. Ittanges our ideas about biology, about consciousness,
about science, about ourselves, andI find that endlessly fascinating. So
do I? So do I?Do you think we'll live to see disclosure?
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Thomas? It's a damn good question, isn't it. I think that
those people are going to hang onby as long as they possibly can.
They're going to hang on by theirfingernails. They are going to obfuse skates,
they're going to backpedal, they're goingto make up new It's going to
be a tough you know. Butthere's also sort of a tipping point when
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enough people have had anomalous experiences andthis becomes sort of common knowledge, you
know, So we're really hitting andyou know, this is the two worlds
that are colliding as we speak.I think it's going to be a grass
roots movement that ultimately forces the hand. You know, one question is why
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doesn't another country do Why doesn't Francecome out? Yes, that's a great
that's such a great question, itreally is. Yeah, Like why does
it have to be the US president? Right? Does it have to be
us? Why doesn't China get aheadof it and just go, hey,
guess what you know? And we'vegot the craft to prove it. You
know, Abby Lope has a theory, Thomas. He thinks, well,
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you know, the standard theories are. You know, the US can't tell
the world the aliens exist because we'llbe panicking in the streets like Orson,
Well, it's nineteen thirty, Okay, maybe that was a long time ago.
Orson, wells, okay, thatwas one hundred years ago. I
don't think there's panicking in the streets. Then there's well, they have advanced
technology that would give a due awaywith oil, coal, gas, nuclear
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batteries, every kind of thing,and it would change the global political and
financial universe. Well that all theoil billionaires in Texas and Saudi Arabia and
Russia willbell, they'll all freak outand they'll be pissed, right, and
then another thing by the way.Another theory, which Javi Lobe says,
is that they, the aliens,have said to the powers that be,
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we the aliens are not ready tobe revealed yet. And I thought,
wow, that makes a lot ofsense, right, that would explain it.
Yeah. I the thing with technologyis you can kind of wrap your
mind around how something works, butthat doesn't mean you can build it.
And these craft take energy that wehave. It's unheard of. You know,
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Kevin Nuth did a talk for theSoul Foundation and you know the tic
TAC that went from twenty eight thousandfeet to sea level and seven eight seconds.
He said that move would take morepower than the United States total nuclear
output in a year. That movetakes more power than we can put together
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nuclear in a year. You know, he's he's big on the math.
He did the math. I'm not, uh, and the Yeah, I
think that creating that that amount ofenergy is impossible for us, even if
we knew how to do it,we would have to be gifted and we
may have been. Charles hall AsI love the Tall White story, the
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Charles hall Uh. You know,he lived on Nellis Air Force Base and
you got to know these aliens calledthe Tall Whites. Yeah, yeah,
apparently they gifted the military, youknow, one of their little scoutcraft or
something that might happen, but buildingone, I don't think we have the
capability. We're also going to needto engineer on the atomic level. You
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know, we're getting down so weekin engineer on the molecular level. These
cell phones are proof of that.I mean, the storage in these things
is because we know how to engineeron the molecular level, and we are
actually encouraging electrons to bounce in andout of these traps, these gates that
store information. We can do that, but the atomic level is a completely
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different story, and we can't dothat yet. We don't know how to
build on the atomic level. Sowe might understand some of the theories.
We might who knows, we mightnot. You know, they've been studying
these damn things for fifty eighty years. We might know. And I don't
think that we're going to be youknow, gift. I think the gift
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of technology is a terrible idea.The gate I think AI is really scary.
I think AI listen if AI,if Russia or China hack our a
right. Trump won by fifty millionvotes, well, how are we going
to how are we going to knowthat that did not did or did not
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happen? If they if AI istelling us, yeah, that happened ais
in the in the control of theyou know, the people who are carrying
that's very scary. Quite a longtime, you know. Last question,
we have about a minute left.What do you think if the visitors?
Have you heard the theory that thereus from the future? I love that
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one I have. I love that. What do you think about that?
Wouldn't that make a lot of sense? Well, the problem is trying to
wrap your mind around how that couldactually happen, and so far we've just
have no But you know, it'spar for the course. We really don't
know what's going on with physics,and any good physicists will be the first
one to admit that. So it'spossible. I think that, And part
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of my talk at Contact in theDesert is going to be about this.
I think that, you know,are they are they here studying us?
Are they here to eat us?You know, kill kill us, kill
us, eat us. Do youremember the Twilight's out to serve man?
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Remember that one. Don't get outit's a cook. It's a cookbook.
That's the greatest episode ever. Ithink the answer might be all of the
above. I think so too.We got to wrap it up. Thank
you, thank you, thank you, Thomas. This was awesome. We
could do another hour easily. Pleasecome to Contact in the Desert to see
Thomas talk and talk about his newbook. Thomas. How can people contact
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you if they want to get toyou, if they want to get to
me? Geez, Instagram? Idon't really do I don't look at that
stuff. I really, I reallydon't. I think that that's I think
they should come to Contact in theDesert to meet you in person. There.
Yeah, I think social media isput you know, it's the and
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to the devil reaching this side ofus. I do too. I hate
it with all I hate it withall my heart. I really did.
But I do post some stuff andI try to get the word out with
the things I believe in, youknow, and you can always anybody could
find my email online if they wantto reach out. It's not that tough.
People have done it before. Okay, Well, thank you for doing
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this, and thank you for beinga member of our Hollywood Disclosure Alliance dot
org. Check that out. Peoplejoin if you want to join. We'll
see you with Contact in the Desert. Thomas. And I'm about fifty pages
into your book and I'm like,man, this guy has a lot to
say, you know, so we'llbe into right. That's why I've got
a good editor. Yeah you do? Yeah? And who and who gave
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you the editor? I did?Oh, that's right, I did,
Thomas. Thank you for being myfriend, Thank you for being in the
HDA, and I'll see you Contactin the Desert. Thanks and everybody out
there next week. My guest isElla Labaine. She's a biblical biblical scholar.
Easy for me to say. She'sbeen studying the Bible for forty years
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I am Dan Harrari, broadcasting livein technicolor from my beautiful office in
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next guest will be there as well. And speaking of my next guest,
we have a very special show tonight. I don't want to babble up front
too much, so here we go. Actor, producer, director, and
author Thomas Jane is a man ofmany talents. A triple Golden Globe Award
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nominee for the comedy series Hung,Thomas has starred in such classic films as
The Thin Red Line, Deep Blue, Sy Boogie Knights, The Punisher,
Magnolia, The Vanished, The SweetestThing, and The Mist. He won
critical acclaim for his role as NewYork Yankees baseball legend Mickey Mantle in HBO's
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Wonderful, Wonderful Movie. One ofmy favorites HBO's movie called sixty One with
a Little Asterisk was directed by BillyCrystal, and Thomas was recently seen on
TV in the Alcon sci fi seriesThe Expanse. Thomas's production company, Renegade
Entertainment, which launched in twenty nineteen, recently wrapped production on the second season
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of their scripted series Tropo, andThomas stars in that series for Amazon,
IMDbTV, and AGC Studios. Duringthe past four years, Rene Renegade Entertainment
as completed production on Murder at YellowstoneCity, The Last Sun, and the
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noir thriller Dig. In twenty twenty, Thomas starred in the film's run Hide
Fight, which premiered at the VeniceFilm Festival, A two fours hot Summer
Nights opposite Timothy Chalome and twentieth CenturyFox's The Predator, directed by Shane Black.
Now here's something you don't know aboutThomas Jane. Thomas Jane is also
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an author, and he's currently completinghis nonfiction book, A Humans Guide to
Advanced Visiting Aliens. So clearly wehave a lot to talk to Thomas about.
Thomas hopes that his new book willbecome indispensable for ufologists, futurists,
humanists, and anyone else with akeen interest in the human animal. In
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the book, Thomas poses the questionsof where we may or may not be
destined to go as individuals, asa society, and as a species when
mankind moves further and further into thefuture. So, now, without any
further ado, let's bring in theone and only mister Thomas Jane. And
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there he is. Hey, Hey, hey, Matt, how are you.
This is a good thing to bedoing at ten o'clock on a Thursday.
I like it a lot. Yeah, yeah, thank you very much
for doing this for me. Really, Thomas, I appreciate it. Man.
I like your laid back style.You know, this reminds me of
long drives and you got the AMradio on and you're listening to two guys
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chat about stuff. You're going,what the hell they well, the truth.
The truth is, I didn't getmy nap today. I had a
very big client project today. Andevery day I take a nap, I
do three thirty to five. Ohyeah, it's a dispensable and I didn't
get my nap today, Thomas.So if I would like to start,
you'll just you'll just prod me,all right, So a race can we
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put up slide one. Please maybeshe will there he is? Okay,
Oh so, Thomas, you andI met at the launch of the Hollywood
Disclosure Alliance. That was back inNovember twenty twenty three. It went that
was quite a while ago. Itfeels like two days ago, but it
was quite a few months ago.If you met at Mussa and Franks,
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that's you and me. That's whenwe met, and that's when we launched
our little group and races slide numbertwo. There you are with Do you
want to name these people or wouldyou like me to? There's Heinech,
my buddy, Paul. Paul onthe right. You can't can't make out
the other guys, you have tochange, okay. So on the right
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of the famous Paul Heinex, JayAllen Heinixson far left is Craig Campobasso.
He's a great guy. Yeah yeah, get that Extra Guide to Extraterrestrial It's
really good. Yeah. Yeah.He's a very very good author. He's
an excellent author. Behind him isSean West. Sean I think, yeah,
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I think he worked with him.Thomas Sean is the agent to the
UFO stars. He's the agent forRichard Dolan and Nick Pope, among others.
And in the back is Ron James, filmmaker. He's a client of
mind for PR and Ron is goingto be releasing his sequel to Accidental Truth,
the UFO documentary, very very soon. So yeah, that was a
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fun day, man, and itwas really cool that you were there.
It's a good crowd and it's agood, good project. You know.
I like the idea of trying tobring in a little bit of reality to
the Hollywood game. You know,ninety five percent of the alien stuff is
all about alien invasions, so it'snice to write try to bend the wheel
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a little bit. Absolutely, allright, Race, you can kill that
one please, Okay, So Thomas, I have a couple of quick questions.
Now, this is interesting. Youwere a member of a UFO group
with Steve Bassett like ten years agoor something in Marina del Rey. That's
how we met you. So Iwould ask you some questions that did that
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UFO group have a name? AndI heard what was called Paradigm? Was
it called the Paradigm Research Group?That that's Steven's organization, Yeah, but
I think that the group was calledsomething like that as well. But my
memory is not the best when itcomes to names, okay, And do
you remember some of the some ofthe other people that were there, members
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or where you met. We metat a little soundstage. It was like
a little studio in the middle ofMarina del Rey. It was always at
night, you know, so you'realways walking down back alleys to get into
this studio. It was a big, wide, open space like most studios
are, and the light was inthe middle, so it was kind of
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dark around the edges, you know. And my first time I went there,
I kind of hung out in theshadows and just watched everybody there was
some television producers were there, somewriters and some moufon guys, just guys
who were interested in the subject,you know. And I was new.
I was very new to the gamewhen this thing came out, so I
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was excited to go down there andmeet a few people, and Steve Bassett
being one of them. We hitit off and we've stayed in touch ever
since, right, that's right toI mean, did Stephen Holt Court was
he? Oh? He was,you know, he was on the cutting
edge. He's been on the cuttingedge for thirty years and at that time,
the sort of mock. Congressional hearingswere happening around that time, so
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there was a lot of news similarto what's going on today a little bit
but not quite as big because itwasn't making you know, the New York
Times, right, but it wasIt was an interesting time, you know,
if there was always sort of afeeling of that's something good was going
to happen. The atmosphere was kindof baited. We were waiting with baited
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breath for something that of course neverhappened or not yet, hopefully soon.
Stephen Stephen tells the story that oneday Paul Heinech came to your meeting and
he happened to mention his last name, and everybody, hee Heidich, What
do you what do you remember aboutthat? If anything? That's right?
Yeah, he said, you knowpeople when you go around and introduce themselves
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and this this one guy says,yeah, I'm my name's Paul Heineck,
and Bassett goes, wait, wait, wait, White, wait a second,
did you say Heineck? Are youtalking about Jay Allen? But yeah,
that's my dad, and he goes, Jesus, get come here,
come here. That's a true storythen, right, that really happened,
absolutely true story. Yeah, Iwas there for that. I didn't meet,
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I didn't really get I mean Iwas introduced to Paul at that time,
but then a producer buddy of minetook me down to one of the
special effects studios and that's where Iactually met Paul. We met talking about
special effects on movies. Right,So that's that's where we were, you
know, sort of really introduced,and you know, got to hanging out
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a little bit. Paul's fantastic guy, bright, smart as a whip,
greatly and he'll be there at theuh oh yeah, sure. He's a
good friend, good friend of mine. He's on the board of HDA as
our view. We did an eventa few weeks ago with him and his
brother. Have you ever met hisbrother, Joel? I have. Yeah.
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In fact, me and Paul justI flew down to Texas with my
daughter Harlowe to see the eclipse.Oh okay, so we hooked up with
Paul and Joel and a big groupof his family and friends. And you
know, of course when we gotthere it was cloudy, right. I
heard about that. Oh my god, I just spent so much money on
the damn tickets. To me andthe kid down here to watch the clouds.
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This is, you know. ButI was with the right group.
They had six different apps, openweather apps, and they were they were
triangulating the clouds and the weather andthe pattern. And so we hal happed
in like a caravan of four carsand we drove two and a half hours
out into the middle of nowhere.We ended up in this little air field
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had only little planes, and therewere wild flowers in the field. And
we set up and we're like,it was still cloudy, like all right,
well, this is as good aplace as any. The clouds would
break every now and then you'd seethe eclipse start, you know. But
we had we had sandwiches and wewere in we had chairs and we were
hanging out. And about two minutesbefore the eclipse came on for real,
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the clouds parted, the blue skycame out, the moon went over the
sun. We saw the whole totality. The world got dark, the most
eeriest light. I've never seen atotality like that before. Let me tell
you, it's a hell of alot different than a partial eclipse. The
full deal. The world turns atone like, the insects got quiet,
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the whole world took on this magicalkind of surrealistic tone for a good five
minutes, and then when it wasreally dark, the crickets started going,
the airport lights came on. Imean, it was it was magical.
All we have one thing now,and then like that ended, you know,
the song started peeking out the otherside of the moon, and then
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the clouds came over, and thatwas it. So you got it exactly,
You got it exactly, and itcouldn't have been better because of the
drama, you know, the dramaof whether or not we were going to
actually get to see this damn thing, and it turnout I was with the
right group of guys, so itwas. It was magical. I don't
think it'll ever be that magical again. There's another one in twenty seven.
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I plan on going. It's inCairo. Okay, have you been there
before? I've never been, sothat's going to be my excuse to go
see the Pyramids and go see Cairoand hopefully hook up with some people in
the field. I'm sure it's goingto be a hell of an event.
You know, it's going to besix and a half minutes of totality,
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which is really long and really unusual. So twenty seven in Cairo. If
anybody wants to meet me, thenare you going to take Harlow with you?
Absolutely? Will you take me withyou? Tellmas I'll go. She
fell in love with it. Whoevercan, whoever can my suitcase, you
can, I will shove myself intoyour suitcase. I would absolutely. I
want to see the Pyramids someday.How did you get interested in the UFO
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E T phenomenon? And have youhad any personal sightings or personal experiences in
that? In that yes? Wow? Okay, So that's a question that
deserves a longer answer. You know, it sounds like a yes. It
sounds like a yes, Thomas,an absolute yeah. But you know,
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how as far as I have yes, your answer is yes, And I
had a couple of experiences that thatwe can talk about. But I as
for how I got into it,you know, I grew up in Maryland.
I was an Army brat. Mymom and my dad were in the
Army. I was born at FortMead near Maryland. Both parents in Vietnam.
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I got out of there when Iwas sixteen, well fifteen and a
half the first time. As soonas I got my learner's permit. I
was out, you know, Iwas looking for adventure. I couldn't really
be held down. I was crushedby the school system. That I learned
early on was this. You know, it was a system designed to crush
any kind of free spirited inquiry,any sort of imagination, and somehow I
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keyed into that. I was like, this is bad. You know.
My parents moved around a lot whenI was a kid, so I had
this kind of outsider sort of thingwe removed. I didn't go to kindergarten,
so by the time everybody was infirst grade, it was like my
first day of school. Ever.I never went to nursery school in kindergarten.
I didn't have any friends. Welived out in the country. My
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dog was my best friend. Hisname was Buck. Best friend I ever
had, and a great way togrow up out in the country, me
and a dog running around in thefields. But it didn't, you know,
socialize me very well. Okay,so you know I got into gifted
and talented classes as a kid.I guess they thought I was bright.
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I remember the first thing I did, like they make you do these sort
of presentation essay type things. Idid it on pulsars and quasars, and
how how old the like I wasprobably seven seven, you're doing poulsa.
I don't even know what is now. At the time, they were new,
like they've just been discovered. SoI thought that was when it gave
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me an interest in the early interestin the universe. So I started as
cool late. I moved around alot. I read a lot of books.
I watched a lot of movies.I read a lot of comic books.
I was into art class so andI wanted to be an artist.
I wanted to be a comic bookartist. But I also played football,
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so I wasn't a jock. Iwasn't an art nerd I kind of seemed
to always fall between the cracks andthe themes of society, right, and
this is kind of where I'm whereI'm going with this. I was a
punk rocker in suburban America. Youknow, as we were talking earlier on
its very much the DIY, youknow, ethic was I really responded to.
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I used to listen. I wasgrew up, grew up around d
C. So I listened to minorthreat the Rights of Spring, which merged
into fugazi anything on the discord label, you know. And as far as
movies, it was Roger, itwas John Waters, you know, you
like Hairspray, Polyester, you know, David Lynch's eraser Head. I mean,
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these these are the movies of myyouth and and anything that Clint Eastwood
did. Wow. So your parentssupposed to look at you like, where
the hell did you come from?Right? So? Yeah, and then
I dropped out. I finally,you know, dropped out of high school.
I go, I just can't takethis anymore, you know, at
fifteen and a half, I triedto taken off for the first time.
I got caught and brought back andmy phone, so like, what the
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hell's wrong with you? And Iwas, I can't do that anymore.
I can't do I can't do that, I can't go in there and you
know, be brainwashed anymore. Ididn't use those words, but I was
just like, I can't, Ican't do that. So my mom found
me an acting class because I usedto build sets in the in art school.
You would build the sets and youwould paint the sets and all that,
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and that got me into acting thatI wound up in India doing Bollywood
films at sixteen. Wow. Yeah, I got. They came down to
my acting class. They were lookingfor, you know, a white guy
to be in this Romeo and JulietBollywood things. So I did that.
I came back packed up all mystuff, went to San Francisco. I
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went to acting school there. Irealized that there wasn't any you know,
Hollywood was not in San Francisco.That's how I just, that's how little
I knew of how the world worked. So I went down to La.
I didn't have any money. Ilived in my car. I mean,
I was just flying by the seatof my pants. You know, I
don't even know if I've read JackKEROUACX on the Road yet, but somewhere
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around in there, I you knowthat Henry Miller like those were my you
know, down and out in Parisby is it? Orwell? Well,
like Thomas said, what what yearare you in LA living in your car?
About eighty years? We're talking aboutthe early eighties, mid eighties,
Yeah, mid mid eighties. WellI was supposed to grab I was.
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I would have been the class ofeighty seven. So I dropped out a
couple of years before that. Thatwas when I was fifteen. So yeah,
we're talking. We're talking mid eighties, eighty four, eighty five,
eighty six. You know who elselived in his car in the late seventies
early eighties lived in his car JayLeno, No shit, he lived in
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his car behind the comedy store.I was. I was his publicist for
two years in the eighties when hegot the Tonight Show. But right,
you know, people like people likeyou and Jay leto man you I knew.
I knew Bruce Springstein before he wasfamous, and he used to sleep
on the beach and hitchhiker. Youguys, you guys that have made it
in life. You know, you'vebeen very persistent and very consistent. You
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sort of have a dream and youmake it happen. It's very cool.
Well that's you. And you meeta lot of really interesting people when you're
living on the street. You know, I would think, I would think,
so, yeah, a lot offringe characters who live on the edge
of society. And that brings usto your et abduction. I would yeah,
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so, so tell us about youret UFO, because I know you're
hesitating for obviously for some reason.I'm just trying to I'm trying to paint
a picture of sort of like whatkind of person gets into this stuff?
You know? Okay, And StephenHawking had a quote that I will never
forget. He said, if UFOsare real, why don't they always appear
to freak some weirdos? Right?Well, you know, it's these folks
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that live sort of on the edgesthat have either dropped out or fallen through
the cracks, you know, anda lot of them are very intelligent.
You know. You find the ratioof smart people the dumb people. There's
a lot more, you know thanin general society as people who've kind of
you know, decided to to orbeen kicked out, either forced out or
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decided to get out. So I'dsay it was about twelve years ago.
But that but the first experience thatI had twelve years ago, I had
an experience that I can't explain thatI blew my mind, that I couldn't
wrap my head around, and changedeverything for me, and it sent me
down this rabbit hole. Now,I would think that if you were a
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person who went to high school andwent to college and got the you know,
the job and put on a suitevery day day, and had an
experience like that, you probably wantto forget about it as soon as possible,
or it might bother you for awhile, but you know, you'd
want to get back in the boat, you know. I always never in
the you never Okay. So itsent me down this this rabbit hole that
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I was to discover had no end. You know, it just opened up
a world of uh, A wholenew world, you know, that's that
that we're living in, you know, a world of subterfuge, conspiracy,
cover ups. I mean, Jesus, you got to go, await a
second, now, what the hellis going on with people? If this
is if this is uh in thesame category, you know as the lockness
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monster when I go to the library, right, So was your experience with
with a bean, with a craftwith an entity? Was it in your
in your room or you outside?Just generically if you don't want to be
specif yeah, and I won't.You know, I find that, you
know, the experience itself is notas important as just the having the experience,
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if that makes sense. It wasI was. It was three o'clock
in the morning. I was inmy house, this house that that I'm
in right now. I had insomnia, which wasn't not uncommon for me.
I went through years of insomnia.I got a little older and it went
away, thank God. But notuncommon for me to be up at three
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and a four three o'clock in themorning, laying on the couch reading a
book and uh and I and Ihad an experience that you know, you
go to you go to bed asone person and you wake up as another
overnight and I started, I startedlooking for answers. I called psychics.
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I didn't. I never even thoughtabout psychics before I went to the library.
I was looking around for where doesthis fit, you know, in
this world? And it brought back, you know, a memory that I
have. And I talked about thison the last interview I did, but
I'll mention it briefly. You know, I was my dad is a big
face, Thomas. I hate todo this, man, I still hate
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to do this. Yeah, wehave to take a break. Oh can
we come back exactly to where youare right now? Yeah? Yeah,
okay, okay, Race, let'srock with a break here. Ay.
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Most h h and we're back.It's paranormal tonight. I'm Dan Hurri
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and Race. Let's bring back ThomasJane Thomas brother. We had to.
We have to base of bills aroundthere. Give me time to make a
nice cup of tea. There yougo. So, last last we were
speaking, you were in your homeis three in the morning, on a
couch. You had an experience andthen I want to see that Day of
the Earth stood still. It soundedlike they were going to do a screening
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of that. That sounded great,so I'll be I'll be looking that up
after we're done. Well, whichthe original or the remix? Yeah,
it looked like they were again.They even had a big statue of gort
Oh. One of my best friendsis Fred Barton. He's called the robot
Man. He builds Gorton. Doyou know Fred Barton? You know it
sounds familiar. I've known a coupleof these guys that have He's the guy.
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He's the He's the guy. Hedid the robot from Lust in Space
Gort, the Star Wars Robots,Robbie from Forbidden Platt. That what a
cool moniker that is. Boy,I make the robots for Hollywood. That's
pretty his website. His website isthe robotman dot com. Anyway, Okay,
so let's get back to your experiencehere. Well, I remember one
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experience that I'd completely forgotten about untilafter this this had happened. Was and
you know, it happened to mewhen I was about eight maybe nine.
My dad and my granddad were bigfishermen, still are. In fact,
I'm going to Montana with my oldManda do some trout fishing in the spring.
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We're driving back from one of ourexcursions. You know, the old
man would wake you up at fouro'clock in the morning, you know,
throw you in the car, godown into the river, spend the day.
And it was nighttime. We weredriving back. My grandpa's car had
a sunroof, okay, and I'min the back, Grandpa's driving, Dad's
in the driver's seat, and Ilook up through the sunroof and I see
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this glowing orangish yellow fireball circling inthe sky above us, like figure eights.
And I tried to get and Iwas like, wow, you know,
I've never seen anything like that.I tried to get my dad's attention,
would he and he just, likeboth of them just sat there staring
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straight ahead, driving in the night, you know, through out there in
the country, driving home. AndI remember talking to them and going,
hey, hey, look are youguys seeing this and them just being completely
non responsive. That memory is soold that I can't I can't tell if
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that was a dream or a realmemory, but it's there and it doesn't
feel like a dream. But veryinteresting when I started doing a little research
about, you know, when whenthe non responsiveness, the sort of they
were like in a trance. Theywere turned off, turned off, right,
that's you were you were? Youwere, Yeah, you were turned
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on. It sounds like the UFOwas giving you a private show and your
dad and your granddad were probably notsupposed to be part of your experience.
Fascinating, you know, and andwhether or not that I really don't think
that anything else happened besides that,but you know, they may they may
have just been checking people out asthey're sort of, you know, trying
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not to trying not to hit deer, deer or bears or antelopes on the
I think. But no, that'sa that's a really good story, Ben.
I love to state New Upstate,New York. Yeah, that's a
real good story. Okay, let'sI've got some more questions for you.
I think this year you're going tobe at your very first contact in the
desert. Right. You've not beenthere before, have you. I've always
wanted to go, and I've neverbeen in town, you know, I've
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always been working. So this timeI've blocked it out, not going anywhere.
I'm going to be there. I'mgoing to be there the whole time.
I want to check There's a lotof people I want to check out.
I want to see Avi Lobe.You know, he's a really interesting
new voice. You you need toyou need to talk to Whitley streeber Thomas.
Absolutely, Yeah, you should definitelytalk to him about some of your
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experiences, you know. Yeah,Yeah, you're going to You're going to
do a lecture. I wrote this. You're going to do a lecture,
a workshop. I am going todo a ninety minute lecture. I'm going
to take a lot of material fromthe book you know, right, and
my uh my lectures called When WorldsCollide's I think that's a nineteen fifty three
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movie by George Powell. Yeah,but I think because I call it that,
because I think what we're dealing withis the intersection of three different worlds.
There's the world that we live in, you and I and everyone else,
with all its complexity and history andyou know, human civilization where we're
now on the verge of this burgeoningAI complex. It's the fruit of you
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know, centuries of labor, right, that's us. And then there's the
world which I listened to to thisguy named Dane Wiggington, and he's all
about geo engineering, okay, donatingstuff. I don't know where I stand
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on it all, but I alwaystune into him. He's on Saturday afternoons
on YouTube. You can find himgeo I think his thing is called you
Engineering dot Com. And he callsthem the controllers, right, the the
people who control the money, thepeople who control the world. You make
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these decisions. You know, thesepeople are in the middle of some sort
of assault on Western civilization. Soyou got those guys, and then you
would that be the illuminati, youknow, No, okay, but they're
not that because they're not that bright. Probably, Yeah, yeah, you
know, I don't think there's anyone black hand that's kind of guiding the
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whole thing. I really do,so I think it's all dictating quite rightly.
Yeah, we'll kill that guy andmaybe things will change. You know.
It's uh, like George Carlin said, he goes these people went to
the same colleges, they go tothe they join the same clubs. They
all smelling sculling balance, right,they all been sculling bucks does. And
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they don't need to call a meeting. You know, they know what their
best interests are. They don't haveto talk about it. They don't need
to call them meeting. They justthey just do it. And those are
the guys, you know, they'rebred. It's these families. I mean,
you do the research, and allthese families go back hundreds of years
and we're basically living under this aristocraticsystem that America broke off from and tried
(35:17):
to create a new system without kingsand queens and dukes and archbishops and all
that crap, and we ended upbasically with the same system, but they
just kind of change the names aroundbecause they're very powerful. They've been in
control for a very long time,and now they've got some really sophisticated toys,
you know, and they want tostay in power, and they're thinking
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ten twenty years ahead, and they'rethinking, Okay, this Internet's coming on.
You know, people have access toincredible amounts of information now. Kind
of shooting themselves in the foot becausea lot of people are turning to alternative
media now to get to get thenews, to try to you know,
talk to each other to get thetrue I mean, I don't think trust
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in mainstream media has ever been solow. Who's the third Who's the third
group? The aliens right right?Them them visitors, they're aliens, and
these three worlds are kind of onthis collision course right now. We're at
a really interesting time in human history. I think there is a battle going
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on for control of the Western world. We see we've seen countries turn totalitarian,
but they're individual countries. You know, they're in their Eastern Europe.
You know, maybe they were fallinglike dominoes for a while there, but
this is the first time where we'rekind of seeing an assault on the whole
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of the Western world. That's thatmakes it different. You know. I
think they've been trying to do thatfor quite a long time, but now
they're they we finally got the technologyto actually be able to wrangle you know,
a good third of the world,you know, and probably the whole
world, because you've got digital IDcoming in, You've got you know,
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digital money coming in, where theycan turn on and off your the spickett.
You know, in fifteen minute cities, if you walk outside the city
limits, your your your palm won'twork anymore when you try there. There
are Starbucks Thomas. They don't takecash anymore. That amazes me. I
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tried to put money in the bank. I've got a little farmhouse in France,
and I went down there and Ibrought some cash with me and I
wanted to put it in my bankaccount in France. So I walked in
with a little zipper, you know, a little bank bank bag, big
zipper. Yeah, yeah, Ilove those, Yeah, I love those.
I put it down and I said, here's my account number. I
like to deposit this, and theysaid they looked at me and they said,
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no, no, you can't putthat in the bank. Really,
they said you couldn't put cash inthe bank, could not put my cash
in the bank. And I tried, you know, my French is terrible,
but trying to get you know,answers, and the closest I could
get was they if they don't knowwhere the money is coming from, they
can't deposit it. You're you're oneof the great you know, mafioso money
(38:12):
lunderers of our time. Right,Yeah, they're all drug cart Thomas Jane
Job is taking the drug cartel lordfrom Mexico. Here's my take for the
for the week. I want youto very interesting. You know, it's
starting to happen everywhere. Let's talkabout your book. What inspired your book?
What do you hope to accomplish?And again it's called a Humans Guide
(38:37):
to Visiting Aliens and you know alot of people are going to want to
talk to you about it, tocontact and read it. So what inspired
it and what what what's your premisefor the book? Read a lot of
books, great books, a lotabout that. There's wonderful books on the
history of UFOs. There's wonderful bookson disclosure, on the military interaction with
(39:00):
these craft over the past eighty years. You've got books about UFOs and water.
Great book by Wind. I thinkit is USOS. There's a new
documentary called trans Medium USOS and MaskMovers, and Dolan is just finishing up
(39:20):
his book on USOS. So Ithink that's really cool. Not a lot
of books on sort of what doesit mean? You know? Okay,
So aliens they're here. They existobviously from somewhere we don't know, but
probably from other planets probably, andthey've probably been around a lot longer than
(39:43):
we have, or they've developed ata rate that's much faster than we have.
Probably been around a lot longer.They've got technology that we don't understand.
They look humanoid. Okay, sothe first thing you know, when
you talk to some like Neil DegrassTyson or you know, anybody in the
(40:04):
from the straight science world, they'regoing to go. And they've said this
for years. If you rewound thetape on Earth and you played evolution all
over again, nothing like a humanoidsort of bipedal, hairless ape should ever
appear again in it. Because ofall the flukes and accidents and all of
(40:29):
the machinations over time, which iswhich you know, the asteroid comes and
wipes out all of life on Earth, or the whole breezes and turns into
an ice ball. Like none ofthat would happen, and some new series
of events would happen. And thenif we did develop some sort of intelligence,
(40:52):
which isn't obvious, but if wedid, it wouldn't look anything like
us. And yet we have ninetynine one point nine percent of the contact
cases describe humanoid aliens. So that'samazing. So I started doing research into
why is that? How could thatbe? The other thing, you know,
(41:15):
is consciousness. Okay, they're obviouslyconscious and so are we, so,
but we don't have anything else tocompare ourselves to, or at least
we haven't until now, and inthe straight world we still don't because there's
still denying that anything like this couldpossibly exist. You know. So there's
(41:37):
you know, the faster than light, the technology, how do they get
there? All that's fascinating, andI get into that, but I really
fascinated with how do intelligent societies evolveand what are the similarities because there seemed
to be an awful lot of similarities. And if that's true, and these
humanoid intelligent, conscious societies are croppingup on planets all over and who knows
(42:05):
how many, but it could bequite a few. I suspect that it
is. Then we're living in avery different world than, you know,
than the textbooks tell us we do. And the possibilities are enormous, enormous,
(42:25):
And so that's why I wrote thebook. And I also wanted to
explore the idea of purpose. Youknow, everybody on planet or we we're
individuals. We've got a private mind, we have private dreams. We go
(42:45):
to bed and have our little dreams, and you know, maybe that'll change
soon, but nobody else, youknow, you're the only one that it
experiences. Those dreams are those thoughts. You've got basic needs, you know,
uh, sex, food, shelter, in that order. And you've
got you've got uh desire, youknow, desire for something called fulfillment or
(43:14):
happiness, this elusive happiness thing.And we're social creatures, you know,
we have a desire to contribute somethingto society, or at least have a
society of friends and family. Thatsociety is changing in ways that because of
the Internet. You know, itused to be your friends that you could
call on the phone, the townthat you were from now. Now that's
(43:34):
becoming a whole other ball of axewith the social media and stuff like that.
But what are we doing here?What's our what's our purpose? And
I wonder, and I explore thisin the book, that these these other
civilizations that have survived probably a hellof a lot longer than than we have,
(43:55):
and we might not make it.Well, it's not obvious that we're
going to get through the next yearright now. The way things are going
right now, it's pretty scary.Yeah, it's pretty scary right now,
very scary. Uh. And maybeyou know, hopefully this is this is
just another kind of bottleneck like weexperienced during World War Two and after hope,
(44:20):
hopefully we'll we'll come out the otherend of this, But it's not
obvious that we will. And Iwonder if the difference doesn't have something to
do with a communal purpose, youknow, a what something to aim at
that's bigger than us, that goeson long after we die. You know,
(44:44):
we have we have on planet Eartha lot of trouble planning for the
future. You know, we canyou know, set up an Ira and
you know, think about one daywe'll be old and we'll have to retire.
We can think about stuff like that, but it's a society. You
know. Remember that tsunami that happenedin Japan, sure, sure on the
(45:04):
eleven maybe so another one happened onehundred years maybe two hundred years, but
I can't remember the date. Beforethat, a massive tsunami wiped out Japan,
a lot of Japan. So thepeople in Japan said, you know
what, let's build these giant pillarsten foot tall, massive pillars, and
(45:27):
we're going to place them on theshoreline all around the island, and we're
going to write in stone, We'regoing to carve into the stone. Do
not build below this point, becausethat's the point where everybody got wiped out,
right, And that lasted, youknow, a couple of generations,
and then those people died, andthen nobody was alive in Japan that remembered
(45:49):
that tsunami. And people were lookingat those pillars, and the real estate
guys were going, God, youknow, Jesus, we could make a
killing, and so they started tobuild. Wow, I never heard this
below that pillar, right, andnever heard any of this. And they
built up in cities formed and townsand giant communities, and then twenty eleven
(46:12):
happened and wiped everybody out. Again, we don't have the capability, it
seems to think long term, youknow, long term goals, and I
think we're gonna need I think we'regonna need them if we're going to survive
and think about survival of the species. It's not just do you think we
can make it through this budding worldwar that's at our doorstep right now?
(46:36):
It's what about what after that?And after that? You know, And
you know Ray Kurtzweil, he certainlythinks about what's possible in the tech technology
field. But but where we haven'twe don't have we don't have a purpose.
I can say that it sounds likeyour book is something of a philosophical
(46:58):
piece, a blueprint or a roadmapor a guide a guy we should where
we should be going. Yeah,that's part of it for sure. And
the and the but the the stuffthat I'm most interested in that really,
you know, kept me coming backto the computer with stuff like telepathy,
How the hell does that work?Like there's so many accounts of telepathy.
(47:21):
I mean, it's pretty much ubiquitousthroughout alien encounters. And is that technological
telepathy? Is it innate? Itseems to be innate. So I explore,
uh, you know, some ofthe research on SI phenomena, you
know, which includes telepathy and andyou know, all that all that fun
(47:45):
consciousness work that we seem to bejust at the very beginning of. It's
still another field that's completely unaccepted inmainstream science, but it's backed up by
a lot of data, a lotof great data in that in that world.
But if it's true, then thatmeans that this this consciousness thing that
we possess and that apparently these alienspossess, is bigger than a natural evolutionary
(48:14):
sort of fluke that happened to arise, you know, from ape like creatures
that banded together and started hunting andthen they used symbols to communicate, and
it's you know, we sort ofbootstrapped this consciousness that we now possess.
You know, how do you feelhow do you feel about Eric Vandanikin's theory
(48:37):
that they you know, they helpedto craft mankind. You know, they
were the chromagdan Man and you know, andanderthal Man and then Thomas do you
ever hear of the Great brain eventfifty thousand years ago? There was the
Great brain event. The University ofChicago did a study and they said,
fifty thousand years ago, human beingsbrains like you know, little little walnuts,
(49:01):
and then overnight, overnight, overnight, they became our brains. That
was years ago. We developed symbolismand that really you know, it's been
like art, you know, artsymbolism, and that really changed our brains.
Well, well, that's when humanaccording to Eric Fidanekin and those people,
(49:21):
and I absolutely believe this, thatyou know, our our our caveman
ancestors with sticks and twigs, suddenlybecame us and we're becoming geniuses looking at
the stars and doing astronomy and helpingthe helping the aliens build the pyramids.
You know, we we we wechanged very very quickly, very you know,
(49:42):
over overnight three million years, ourbrains basically doubled in size. And
it took about three million years forthat to happen. But it's also but
it's one of the it's unheard ofin evolutionary biology that that would happen.
And then you're right past fifty thousandyears, we took another great leap forward,
(50:05):
you know, And whether or notthis is a result of sort of
symbolic language that we developed and thenthat created because we know now that if
I learn a new skill, likeif I sit myself down and learn how
to play the piano and work outit, new neural neurons are going to
be forming inside my head like likeclass those clus those when you lived weights
(50:29):
Yeah, yeah, and which istrue for our brand. So is it
part is it that you know oror is it a gene that's spent that
was you know, sort of splicedand put together in a different way.
There's evidence for that, you know, there's a really interesting the thing with
the the uh, the monkeys andthe apes and the chromosomes we have,
(50:52):
we have what do we have?One less chromosome than the than the monkeys,
The monkeys, the chimps. Twoof them melded together in a very
unusual way that we don't also don'tsee anywhere in nature. And the way
they the way chromosomes usually merge together, they they merge together like that,
(51:14):
but this one merged together like that, which is very odd. So I
get into all that. So it'sI mean, it's endless. What's fun
about this is that it really changesthe game. It changes everything do you
think everything how we view ourselves,reality, nature? What about a biogenesis
life? Life? Right? Soif these guys have been around way longer
(51:37):
than we have, and they probablyhave, that means that while our planet
was busy making single celled organisms,other societies on other planets, we're out
there, you know, building theinternet. So what does that tell us
about the origin of life? Youknow how I guess it? Obviously not
(52:00):
such a fluke right right now,I mean, believe it or not,
a lot of people still are goingfor this lightning bolt in a warm puddle
theory of how life started. Butobviously there's something more to it if it's
you know, pretty damn common inour in our universe. My daughter's writing
(52:21):
in here, the brain increasing conceptcould be similar to what happened to Stephen
Hawking. His body gave out becausehis brain literally needed more room. She's
watching that movie about Stephen Honking.Great movie, and uh, you know
what a genius And yeah, firstHawking that you know, obviously a lot
of scientists were saying the same sortof stuff for Hawking to say, Hey,
(52:44):
you know, if UFOs are real, why do they only appear to
freaks and weirdos? It's it's verytelling, you know, of sort of
how we how we're trained to uhto view this kind of stuff. And
it's criminal because the opportunity, thedoors that will open to us. Should
(53:07):
we walk through this door and go, okay, we're obviously not the pinnacle
of God's creation. There's a lotmore of us and a lot more going
on. It changes everything. Ittanges our ideas about biology, about consciousness,
about science, about ourselves, andI find that endlessly fascinating. So
do I? So do I?Do you think we'll live to see disclosure?
(53:29):
Thomas? It's a damn good question, isn't it. I think that
those people are going to hang onby as long as they possibly can.
They're going to hang on by theirfingernails. They are going to obfuse skates,
they're going to backpedal, they're goingto make up new It's going to
be a tough you know. Butthere's also sort of a tipping point when
(53:52):
enough people have had anomalous experiences andthis becomes sort of common knowledge, you
know, So we're really hitting andyou know, this is the two worlds
that are colliding as we speak.I think it's going to be a grass
roots movement that ultimately forces the hand. You know, one question is why
(54:16):
doesn't another country do Why doesn't Francecome out? Yes, that's a great
that's such a great question, itreally is. Yeah, Like why does
it have to be the US president? Right? Does it have to be
us? Why doesn't China get aheadof it and just go, hey,
guess what you know? And we'vegot the craft to prove it. You
know, Abby Lope has a theory, Thomas. He thinks, well,
(54:37):
you know, the standard theories are. You know, the US can't tell
the world the aliens exist because we'llbe panicking in the streets like Orson,
Well, it's nineteen thirty, Okay, maybe that was a long time ago.
Orson, wells, okay, thatwas one hundred years ago. I
don't think there's panicking in the streets. Then there's well, they have advanced
technology that would give a due awaywith oil, coal, gas, nuclear
(55:02):
batteries, every kind of thing,and it would change the global political and
financial universe. Well that all theoil billionaires in Texas and Saudi Arabia and
Russia willbell, they'll all freak outand they'll be pissed, right, and
then another thing by the way.Another theory, which Javi Lobe says,
is that they, the aliens,have said to the powers that be,
(55:25):
we the aliens are not ready tobe revealed yet. And I thought,
wow, that makes a lot ofsense, right, that would explain it.
Yeah. I the thing with technologyis you can kind of wrap your
mind around how something works, butthat doesn't mean you can build it.
And these craft take energy that wehave. It's unheard of. You know,
(55:52):
Kevin Nuth did a talk for theSoul Foundation and you know the tic
TAC that went from twenty eight thousandfeet to sea level and seven eight seconds.
He said that move would take morepower than the United States total nuclear
output in a year. That movetakes more power than we can put together
(56:16):
nuclear in a year. You know, he's he's big on the math.
He did the math. I'm not, uh, and the Yeah, I
think that creating that that amount ofenergy is impossible for us, even if
we knew how to do it,we would have to be gifted and we
may have been. Charles hall AsI love the Tall White story, the
(56:40):
Charles hall Uh. You know,he lived on Nellis Air Force Base and
you got to know these aliens calledthe Tall Whites. Yeah, yeah,
apparently they gifted the military, youknow, one of their little scoutcraft or
something that might happen, but buildingone, I don't think we have the
capability. We're also going to needto engineer on the atomic level. You
(57:04):
know, we're getting down so weekin engineer on the molecular level. These
cell phones are proof of that.I mean, the storage in these things
is because we know how to engineeron the molecular level, and we are
actually encouraging electrons to bounce in andout of these traps, these gates that
store information. We can do that, but the atomic level is a completely
(57:25):
different story, and we can't dothat yet. We don't know how to
build on the atomic level. Sowe might understand some of the theories.
We might who knows, we mightnot. You know, they've been studying
these damn things for fifty eighty years. We might know. And I don't
think that we're going to be youknow, gift. I think the gift
(57:46):
of technology is a terrible idea.The gate I think AI is really scary.
I think AI listen if AI,if Russia or China hack our a
right. Trump won by fifty millionvotes, well, how are we going
to how are we going to knowthat that did not did or did not
(58:08):
happen? If they if AI istelling us, yeah, that happened ais
in the in the control of theyou know, the people who are carrying
that's very scary. Quite a longtime, you know. Last question,
we have about a minute left.What do you think if the visitors?
Have you heard the theory that thereus from the future? I love that
(58:30):
one I have. I love that. What do you think about that?
Wouldn't that make a lot of sense? Well, the problem is trying to
wrap your mind around how that couldactually happen, and so far we've just
have no But you know, it'spar for the course. We really don't
know what's going on with physics,and any good physicists will be the first
one to admit that. So it'spossible. I think that, And part
(58:53):
of my talk at Contact in theDesert is going to be about this.
I think that, you know,are they are they here studying us?
Are they here to eat us?You know, kill kill us, kill
us, eat us. Do youremember the Twilight's out to serve man?
(59:14):
Remember that one. Don't get outit's a cook. It's a cookbook.
That's the greatest episode ever. Ithink the answer might be all of the
above. I think so too.We got to wrap it up. Thank
you, thank you, thank you, Thomas. This was awesome. We
could do another hour easily. Pleasecome to Contact in the Desert to see
Thomas talk and talk about his newbook. Thomas. How can people contact
(59:37):
you if they want to get toyou, if they want to get to
me? Geez, Instagram? Idon't really do I don't look at that
stuff. I really, I reallydon't. I think that that's I think
they should come to Contact in theDesert to meet you in person. There.
Yeah, I think social media isput you know, it's the and
(01:00:00):
to the devil reaching this side ofus. I do too. I hate
it with all I hate it withall my heart. I really did.
But I do post some stuff andI try to get the word out with
the things I believe in, youknow, and you can always anybody could
find my email online if they wantto reach out. It's not that tough.
People have done it before. Okay, Well, thank you for doing
(01:00:22):
this, and thank you for beinga member of our Hollywood Disclosure Alliance dot
org. Check that out. Peoplejoin if you want to join. We'll
see you with Contact in the Desert. Thomas. And I'm about fifty pages
into your book and I'm like,man, this guy has a lot to
say, you know, so we'llbe into right. That's why I've got
a good editor. Yeah you do? Yeah? And who and who gave
(01:00:43):
you the editor? I did?Oh, that's right, I did,
Thomas. Thank you for being myfriend, Thank you for being in the
HDA, and I'll see you Contactin the Desert. Thanks and everybody out
there next week. My guest isElla Labaine. She's a biblical biblical scholar.
Easy for me to say. She'sbeen studying the Bible for forty years
and she could tell you God,aliens, ets, angels, how that's
(01:01:05):
all it to relate it. Thankyou for watching live from Hollywood. It's
paranormal tonight. We'll see you nextThursday night right here on the ONEX Network.
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