Joe Rogan Experience _2383 - Ian Edwards

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Check it out.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
But Joe Logan Experience by Day, Joe.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Roy Podcast by Night, all day.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
How is it possible that you haven't been here in
the five years I've been living.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
It's been five years.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, man, it's been five years.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
That's pretty fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't like it though,
thank you. It's like it's got the sawna walls and ship.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
It's very close to what the old one was. Instead
of brick, we went with wood because we were kind
of faking it with the brick in the old place.
It wasn't fake brick, it was real brick. But what
they do is they take like a mesh and then
they take real bricks and they slice the thin and
then they put up the cement and they glue the
real bricks in place. But it's not really a brick wall.

(00:55):
It just looks like a brick wall. I feel like
a real brick wall should only be the only brick
wall that you show, right, Like, I went to a
pool hall the other day and they had a plastic
brick wall and I got deeply disappointed. I was like, oh,
this is a fake brick wall. This is bullshit. This
is plastic.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, I mean it's it's a push to have like
a half fake brick wall, to have like a plastic
brick wall that you're going to Did you just leave
the pool hall like this place.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm a junkie, but the brick used to bother me
that it was fake brick at the other studio. I'm like,
we're kind of bullshitting here.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Some people have, like some comedy clubs or somebody fake
a it's just a sheet, like it's not a curtain but.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
A brick sheet, a brick sheet.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Bro, just what you got back there. Let's just show that.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
It's weird. And that became the backdrop for a comedy
club a brick Why it's a good question. I don't
know when it started. Maybe it started with evening at
the improv What was even if the improvs backdrop was
that a brick wall? It might have been that simple
back in the nineteen eighties. Was it a look at that?
That's it? It makes me wonder if that wall Ellen,

(02:16):
look at that picture of Ellen. That's crazy, that's crazy. Wow. Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
When I started doing comedy, I used to go to
the comic strip and they had a brick wall too,
and uh. To get on stage at the Comic Strip,
you had to come the first Friday of every month
and try to pick a number. And if you got
a number, they had like a lot of things. There's
like all these open micas lined up down the street

(02:45):
and then.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Just the dreadlocks.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
This is pre dreadlocks.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
You didn't have dreadlocks.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Nah, I might have had like twists and ship. Please
don't find none of those focals. I've known you like
thirty years.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, we've known each other thirty years.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Wow. We were a little babies. Yeah, little babies doing
the Boston yep.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, it's crazy when I'm like like how not how
But we just had no fucking idea, like how all
this shit would turn out?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
No idea. Yeah, with no idea even how it all
worked right, you know, you just taking chances on stage,
trying to figure out what's funny, and then trying to
get work, trying to get work on the road.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
I just knew once I had the inclination to do it.
The moment I had the inclination to do it, I said, oh,
I'm doing this for the rest of my life. Like that,
Once that moment hit, so then all bets on everything
else was off, and I just started just doing it
and just doing it locally in Long Island. And then

(03:53):
I remember seeing any of the improv and seeing Chappelle
on there, and I noticed that all the comics on
Long Island that used to like be ahead of me
and host the shows that I was doing the mics
on and headlined all weekend, excuse me, all weekend in
Long Island, none of those comics were on TV. So

(04:15):
I was like, I gotta get to Manhattan, Like all
the comics that were on TV were in Manhattan.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
I felt the exact same way living in Boston. All
these guys I knew they were so funny, but none
of them were on TV. Yeah. But the thing is
like I knew that the people that were on TV,
then they could go anywhere. Once you're on TV, then
you could go to Kansas. Yeah, you could go to Miami.
You can go anywhere. But if you weren't on TV,
man nobody was gonna come pay to see. It was

(04:41):
a risk. You know, you're out with your wife, you
got a date night, Like, take a chance on this motherfucker.
I don't know. Look at his face his stupid fucking dreadlocks.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Like whoa, whoa, whoa. I was on TV fans.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's weird though, right, like nobody knew nobody.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I feel like we knew though, like inside, like we
had some type of blueprint because we've seen like successful comics. Yes,
but to go from like so, and I came here,
moved to America last seventeen from Jamaica. So when I
started watching TV, I didn't know anybody on TV. Oh

(05:22):
you know what I'm saying, anybody on TV?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
So, like, would you remember the first shows? You saw?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
The first shows? Well, we have American shows on TV
in Jamaica. We had one channel back then. Uh huh
was it one of we had one?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
And then?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Uh So when I came here, I watched SNL because
Eddie Murphy was on that ship. So that was a requirement.
That's always watching that.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Now I finally can figure out how old you are
because you're lying. Motherfucker. You won't tell anybody.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, I don't lie, I just don't tell. It's two
different things. It's two different things. I might run pack
the question.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I tricked you with that Murphy Life. It was only
on for two seasons. I gotcha's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
But I was five years old?

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Was this was Eddie Murphy on for two seasons or
one season? I think he was off for two seasons?
If I'm guessing, doesn't it say oh more?

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Was it? Really? You got a little room.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
For I got a little room for error. Always got
a little room for error. Come on, man, So.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
That's three years. Yeah, So he did the eighty four,
did the eighty one and eighty four? Yeah, eighty eighty one,
So four seasons, so he put in his time. There's like,
you know, saying about Cam Patterson getting on SNL. Now
he might be the first guy in a long time
to become a movie star from that, Yeah, because it

(06:56):
kind of went away, kind of went away, you know,
the Mike Myers and Phil Hartman and obviously Adam Sandler
and like everybody became a movie star from David Spade.
They all became movie stars. But then that kind of stopped,
you know, and they kind of did it to themselves
with all that woke bullshit, like they're kind of like
they killed comedy movies.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Or they just picked somebody funny, Like there's people they
overlook all the time that we know are funny that
could be on that show. So it's good that they
picked Cam. I must say some positive derogatory shit about Cam.
That's number one. You just fuck Cam, number one, fucking
I remember the first time I saw Cam and I

(07:38):
saw Cam. We were at What's What's What's the that
room on six the Vulcan, the Vulcan, So I think
I just did your room. Then I went to the
Vulcan and then they don't and and uh, what's the name?

(07:59):
Like your next? And then Cam was to the side,
so that then I knew he was next. It was
like the unknown show. So then I bring him up
and I watch him and then I had a tag
for him, and I said, I'm gonna give you this tag.
After he got up stage, I'm gonna give you this tag,
but it's only gonna make you better than me, and
you're gonna get picked up an advance. I could just
tell I was angry and I loved him at the

(08:22):
same time. You know what, somebody just got.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
It and fuck this guy, they got it. Yeah, you
got You gotta celebrate it because we got into this
as fans. You got into those fans, and if someone's
funnier than you, you gotta go. God damn, he's funny. It'll
inspire you to work. Yeah, and you can be funnier
than you are, but you can only be so funny.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, but this is how crazy it got. So then
two months later I'm in la I see him at
the store and I said.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
What's up, man?

Speaker 1 (08:53):
You in tell blah blah blah blah blah and say, yeah,
I'm here with my manager. It's my manager.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Your manager. Oh my god, Like I knew it.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I knew it.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Your manager has been duck in your Sorry, I'm a
jet with campll you soon.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
All's great, But that's how close the parallels were. But
that's what the motherfucker's funny.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Man. He makes it look easy. He works hard, and
he works hard. He works hard. He's always working, he's
always on stage. He does that one minute, one new
minute of kill Tony every week.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, that's hard to do it. That's hard to do,
very hard to do. You have to sit down and
work on ship.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
You have to. I mean the guys who excel at it,
like Ari Maddie, Hans Kim him, those guys like they
fucking work hard, you know, And a bunch of people
did it for years and years and years, like William
Montgomery is probably he's been. I think he's the longest
running guy ever. But he's such a maniac. He can
get a minute out of anything. You know, he can

(09:54):
get a minute out of coffee and some coffee. It's
like a big part of what his comedy is is
just his personality, which is great, you know, because he's
kind of a character. He's such a freak when he's
on stage kind of anything is funny.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, he like like, you know what makes me mad?
Like when you say that, I finally just see what
will is because it's obvious to see what Kat Williams
is like, and it's it's a part of him, and
it's his voice, and it's like a I call it
a comedy cheap because I don't have it. But like
they're gonna talk, it's gonna be funny, funny. Then if

(10:32):
they add some writing to it, then you don't stand
a chance. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Joey is the ultimate version of that. That motherfucker is
funny the moment he.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Grabs God gave him that.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Just looking on anything about him, everything about him, he's
just walking comedy. Yeah, and he's fearless and he's fearless
and so he's he looks like that and he talks
like that and he gets on stage, You're like, oh, it's.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Over, it's all right.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
It's like, of course. Yeah. It's like if you give
your mind up to him him like to think for me,
let me take me on a journey, take that a
journey and think for me. The Theo's got that a
little bit too.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, and we saw THEO developed that, yeah, like through
the years and then it just started like he just
hit one time, drifting off and just getting to that
place where you're just constantly just saying ship and it
kind of makes sense even if it doesn't, and it
resonates like Brody Brody.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, a good example. Brody was just funny. He went
eight one eight till I die. No one even knows
why they're laughing. They're laughing at that. He's talking about
the area code for the valley outside of LA It
is like celebration of mediocrity in second place.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Hilarious, you know, and it was it receda yeah, at
all places.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
He was the best at that. He was so infectious
like his common it was, in fact, it would infect
you and you'd be in the parking lot like repeat
his line. It was so fun.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, I would play this game with Brody where I
just treat him like an open Mica and he would
just play a lot. I keep going up, kid man,
it's gonna you're gonna get better. You're gonna get better spots.
Don't worry about it, thank you, sir. We just do it.

(12:26):
He just went with it.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, when we were starting out, like both of us
were like when I met you were just past the
open micro just starting to work stage. We're both kind
of like in the same thing. And that's such a
weird stage because you kind of no one knows what's
gonna happen, knowing. Like there's a lot of dudes that
we used to do comedy with back then that I
thought were really good and they just vanished. Yeah, they vanished.

(12:49):
They went out and got regular jobs and they gave up.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
And that's scary to me because I never want that
to happen to me.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Boy, when it does happen, it's never happy. Yeah. The
guys that I know that do that, they always get
weirdly bitter, weirdly bitter, like sinister. Yeah, they want you
to fail. They do not want you to make it.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, and I don't want that to happen to me.
I had an incident with I don't even know if
I should say his name because I feel bad. So
he was in all these movies, like big movies. You know,
he was never like a major star, but he's in
these movies and TV shows. He was that generation, like

(13:32):
maybe a one and a half generations before us. And
he's a regular store. And the first time Tommy sent
me to do La Joya, I used to feature, but
then Tommy booked me to headline Lahoya and told and
I don't know if this guy knew he was supposed

(13:52):
to feature. But when he got to the club, like
when I, first of all, I brought a date, so
you're supposed to get the you're staying in the condo,
and you're supposed to get the headliner bedroom, Ship was
in there, you know, So I had to take the
You said his name, Ship, but I didn't say his

(14:14):
last name. Please bleep it.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Out, so let's call him Bling.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Let's call him Bling. So Bling Ship was in the
headliner bedroom. And then when we went to the store
that night and he found out like the host was
on or the comic that they booked before, and then
he walked out. Oh no, he walked out. He said,

(14:41):
I'm headlining. So then the guy that run the store,
I think it was Ryan at the time, I don't
know if he was there, he was like, just go
up and we'll pay you the headline. And I was like, fine,
I'll feature, I don't care, and you pay me the headline.
And then Barry Winner came back in and went up
all weekend. That's how it was. But it was like

(15:02):
that that bitterness that that's so crazy, and I feel, yeah,
I feel bad, but I like that's why I stay
on stage and be like, I am not gonna let
that happen to me. You feel me.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah. A lot of people slack off, man, They just
they lose their enthusiasm. I think he had a lot
of other problems too.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
And he's also from the era where they don't write
new material.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
You're going to do a lot of cocaine. There's a
error where those dudes cook their brains. So yeah, yeah,
the things pass you by if you don't keep up,
or you have to let him pass you by. If
you say, yeah, I'm good, I had a good time.

(15:47):
It was a lot of fun. You can do that too.
But the thing is, like those guys that that go
and get regular jobs, maybe they're better off than the
guy who's now middling for you, right right, I mean,
because that guy has probably been phoning it in for
a decade and a half. He might not have the
juice left to like reignite what made him funny in

(16:09):
the first place.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, that's when I fay, I feel like I'll just leave.
I still got like a competitive spirit. I feel like
I haven't gotten to where I want to. And I
also like that space I was just talking about, like
we just stream of consciousness space. Mm hmm, Like I
kind of want to get to that where you could
just like go on stage and watch the tape afterwards.

(16:34):
I said that I did that right that, Oh that
that works, That just click. I just want to have
get to that.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
You know where that comes from. Massive stage time, Yeah,
massive amount of stage time. The guys who have the
best timing and the best like like David l perfect
example that dude's got so much stage time under his belt. Yeah,
so much stage time and so many different places. One
of the things about Day is he was doing that
New York thing where you get in a cab and

(17:02):
you go from one club to another club. So he's
doing like five six sets a night. At one point
in time, I forget who the record had, who had
the record of the most sets in the night, But
dudes were up till like eleven twelve sets a night.
I don't even know how you manage it.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I did seven one time in the city and I
barely made any of them, and I'm like, I'm gonna
get fired. They're not gonna book me again. I don't
want to do it's too stressful.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Well, I think the guys who can do it are
guys like Louis that could just sort of show up
and just do a set, and they just put him
on anytime she shows.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Up, which bumps me, which meets me late from my
five sets exactly.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
That's always what happens. But that's always why there's always
in New York clubs, there's always a guy or two
hanging around hoping somebody fucks up, and that happens to
a lot of I've got spots that way before, where
guys didn't show up. There's always that kind of a situation.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's how I got in the cellar the first time.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Oh really, Yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
I forgot his name something. Schaefer used to wear a
blazer and used to bark for the ball. You might
have been in La by the Yeah, Louis Schaeffer.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
I think, okay.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
And so then he used to get people into the Boston.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Like in front of the What were you saying, is
like bringing people in off the street.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, and he was really good nobody. He was a
comic too.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
I thought he was saying, bark on stage, Barker.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Don't expect me to complete most of my sentences. This
is yeah, that's asking too much. It's asking too much.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
So so what we're saying about.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Him, So he was at the Seller doing the same thing,
and he already worked at the Boston around the corner.
And then I was just going over to the cellar
to hang and he was like, somebody's missing. Do you
want to go up? And I was like bet, and
I went up, and then SD he told st I
don't know if they were recording back then, but she

(18:48):
just started giving me spots.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
That was a good thing about New York was that
there was a ton of spots you could get in
and you started getting spots and started getting the name,
and people knew that you were an up and coming comic.
You can get you know, you get some work, and
then you can get work on the road too. You
could do Long Island. There's a lot of gigs in
Long Island. Yeah, New Jersey, you can do Connecticut. Everything's

(19:11):
kind of close.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Everything's not close. But here's the thing. Once I got
in the city, I didn't want to go anywhere else.
I just wanted to do the city. Spots of Caroline,
to stand up New York, the Seller, the Boston, sometimes
the Strip once in a while, because then you could
just hang out in one place afterwards and kick it
with everybody and just laugh. So then sometimes I'd have

(19:35):
like a college that paid way more money, and I'd
be like, fuck, I ain't gonna be in the city.
This is a terrible weekend. And no matter how the
gig went, sometimes it's just do to Upstate, tri State,
whatever gig it was, and then just head back, just
storm right back to the ha and hangs everything hang

(19:58):
was everything.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Remember Pete. So I did the New Year's Eve at
the Improv, and then I drove from the improv on
Melrose after the show to hang out of the comedy
store afterwards, and he goes, that's the way to do it.
You get your check somewhere else and you come back home.
And it just like felt like that there, like we
were all hanging. It was fun. If I had a

(20:19):
great gig somewhere on the weekend, it was fun because
I bring guys like you, Joey or Ari. You know,
we were all together having a good time. So it's
like the idea was like you got to bring at
least a little bit of that out on the road
with you. Yeah, going on the road by yourself sucks.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, starting to make it sucks sucks because you can't
afford to bring who you want, would you. Yet you're
still trying to establish the help and you're away from
your comedy family. Yes, and so you're making a little money.
But like the camaraderie and the hang.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
It's the opposite of camaraderie. You might be doing combat comedy.
Some dude might step on all of your premises if
it's your middle act on. A lot of dudes did that.
It was it was different. It was like, oh, you're
not my friend at all, Like you're trying to come
up too, not just trying to come up, but trying
to come up in a dark way. Right. You know,
there was a lot of thieves back then. Guys would

(21:15):
steal your bits and do them before you that were
like your middle act that saw you on Thursday night
and they do your bits on Friday. You got to pay attention.
You're like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Man?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Because they were in like some nowhere town and they
never they didn't have a real comedy community, and they
just saw some guy coming in from Boston and New
York and they just I'm gonna fuck him up. You
know it was It's just comedy when you have a
group of people like like it was in New York
or like it wasn't Boston or in LA It's always

(21:46):
so much more fun if you're starting out and you're
in like Pittsburgh, Like how big is the scene in Pittsburgh?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Right?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
You know?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
You know what I did love about New York how
brutally honest, all thet to each other.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
So even like Patrice, like he had just dropped a special,
but then he just went on this thing of like
I forgot the type of material he was doing. But
we confronted him about that shit, like, hey man, that
shit is hacky. And he was just doing it for
a minute, just fucking.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Around, probably just trying to get some materials, just trying
to get something drop a special.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, but he didn't get upset or nothing. And then
we tell each other ship. I remember I had too
many black and white jokes and they we did a
uh gig out of town and there's a bunch of
black comics. We come back in the van and they
were killing me. You got you talk about black black

(22:43):
people cook like this, white people cook like this. Because
they was like, you got a lot of black and
white jokes. I was like, no, I don't, and they
was like, yeah, you do, and they started naming him
and I was like, oh shit, I do. I never
wanted to have black people.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
There's white people that you know the real problem is
if you do short sets and then you gotta piece
it together and do a long set.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
I brought this one dude on the road with me
once and he had so many jokes about being a
Mexican because he used to do in five minute sets
but only had to do twenty. I'm like, bro, you
can't keep saying that you're saying it over and over
and over again. One thing I love about being Mexican,
and then there's another one thing I love about being Mexican. Bro, Like,
we gotta you gotta add some spice to this soup.

(23:27):
This is crazy. This is one flavor.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
That's how weird comedy is. It's like there's levels to like, first,
you gotta get your first five minutes. Right when you
get your first five minutes, you feeling like I can kill.
I can go from beginning to end and kill. But
then now you gotta get ten, and then you're gonna
start like you're watering down your solid five. You know

(23:53):
what I mean, your water You're not getting that exhilaration
that you work so hard for in five, and you
get to ten, and by the time you get to fifteen,
you could like host somewhere on the road. And then
you might go out of your state, two miles out
of your state and realize, oh shit, these jokes were

(24:14):
dependent on where I live. They do not work here.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I went to I had all these Jamaican jokes about
being Jamaican because there's so many Jamaicans in New York
and I want me some comics to do tempo, and
it was in a big it might have been where
they played basketball, like Terry Hodges was on the show.
A bunch of strong black comics. And my opener was

(24:42):
a Jamaican about a joke about being Jamaican and my
clothes and killed in New York, Killed in New York.
And I did the first joke and people had been
killing before me. Then I went on, I did the
first joke more quiet than this in a stadium full
of people.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
And then I start panicking on the inside, which definitely
showed on the outside. And then I was like, let
me go for my middle joke, you know, which is
my second strongest joke that didn't work. I was like,
I got to do fifteen minutes. I'm on my closer.

(25:23):
By the third joke, Oh no, that bomb and it
was bad, but thank god they booed. I didn't have
to struggle, so they booed. I was the only one
that bombed that night.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
And I bombed because, like like I said, I moved
here when I was seventeen, so I didn't have enough
like American shit right to like like the Jamaican shit
about me grown up in Jamaica, just started working. But
there was a radius to that shit. You know, that
shit would work in Florida, that shit we're working DC,

(25:59):
and that shit would work in New York and maybe
one of the places where there's a concentrations of like
Jamaicans or West Indian people, right and American people that
grew up with them.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
That's a rough field.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
How many people in that audience, Yeah, I would say
at least two thousand. Yeah, they booed, and these assholes like, yo,
we're going to the after party? You want to go,
like Noah, But I stayed in the hotel room and
I had a great night. I watched Dumb and dumba
for the first time and laughed my ass off.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Well, shows like that are reporting. They suck a fat dick,
but yeah, they teach you like, oh, I can't just
rely on like regional story. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Then I realized, like, oh, this is you're only going
to kill in town. Now you gotta like figure out
like like universal truths of comedy.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Well, that's why the real g's travel all over the world.
You know, the Jimmy cars, that guy he goes everywhere. Yeah,
Like there's something to that there's something to going everywhere
because I've done comedy and other place I took. I
took Tony Hinchcliffe once to Sweden. We did comedy in
Stockholm and he's like, dude, I think I'm bombing. No,

(27:09):
they're laughing, and then they stopped laughing. It's just different.
They're different in Europe. They're laughing. Like I listened to
your set. He goes, I never got a flow going.
I go. First of all, it's a big place, so
you're probably not used to doing a place that's this big.
And then on top of that, you're in Europe and
they're you know, they're English is pretty good, but it's
not perfect, so it probably takes a couple of seconds

(27:31):
for them to figure out, oh, very funny, very funny,
Tony Chip.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
I mean what you told him is only true if
you didn't get a flow going. Did you get a flow?

Speaker 3 (27:43):
I got a flow going. But they were there, and
they didn't know it was going to be there, and
they probably didn't even know what a comedy club was.
You know, these are all just people that came out
to see me because I was famous. You know, this
is like if you know, like this was probably more
than ten years ago at least. But if you know

(28:04):
comedy now though I think was a YouTube. I think
kind of like all you need now is to have
a really good set and you could tour the whole world.
Like James McCann. You know that dude from Australia.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Very if I see him, I might know who very.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Funny, very funny, so funny that Shane Gillis worked with
him in Australia and convinced him to move to America
and then brought him to the mothership Curly Hair.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I've seen him here.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Very fucking funny and very smart and really nice guy,
like super super nice guy. But he he's one of
those guys. It's like he like if Shane didn't find him,
Shane found him in Australia. He was like ready to
quit comedy. Oh shit, that's crazy because like what am
I doing? I can't do anything over here. It's like
it's hard. You have to be a part of these festivals,

(28:54):
and these festivals. A lot of these festivals, like every
year the artists will write like a new hour, know
and it'd be like about a subject.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah, and that's another thing they do those hours and
after the year they don't record those hours. There's so
many comics in Europe, England, Australia. Because I've been to
those festivals that do their hour and then retire it
after the last big festival, And I said, did you
record those because you could have like have a backlog
of shit to like put online right to catch people

(29:26):
up with you, to create views, right, And they forget
how it works too, but they yeah, they weren't doing
that back then. But how do you retire something without
at least having like one big record of it.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Well, they have a weird system over there, Like I
was talking to them a can about what the festival
system is like, because like the festivals are kind of
like the only thing in comedy. There's a few clubs,
Like there's a really good club in Melbourne. What is
that club called the Comics Lounge in Melbourne?

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Is that the name of it?

Speaker 3 (29:58):
I worked there with Ariy Maddie, crazy Enough and Hinchcliffe
and I did that like nine years ago, I think.
So there's some comedy clubs. I'm sure there's some in Sydney,
but I.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Did one in Sydney.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
When you're traveling, you're doing like these these these comedy tours, right,
and so it's festival based stuff. Like there's a bunch
of different festivals that people go to and when they
go to festivals, like that's one of the things about
like like Scotland when they do that Edinburgh, those guys
the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, those guys they create a new
hour every year. Yeah, and you got to come back

(30:33):
and talk about trauma or talk about you know, what
it's like to be whatever.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Right, right, whatever stage of life they're in, whatever stage
of politics they're in.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
And that's what people expect, which is interesting because it's
not really American style stand up, the way you and
I do it or the way you know it's traditionally done.
They're doing like story based stand up. So it's just
you know, it's great, it's not it's not a knock
on it. It's just a different thing. And if you
try to do that in America you probably get steamrolled.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, I've seen somewhere that they look kind of one
man showy or one woman showy. So absolutely so there's
gaps of talking and then which is great, which is
fine because like it's just.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
A different thing. You're doing a different thing. Like but
I'll say things that I don't believe at all, just
because it's funny. It's like, it's a ridiculous thing to say.
And also I want to get you thinking that I'm
saying things that I don't believe at all, Like this
is just for fun, Like this, the whole thing is
supposed to be for fun, this idea that comedy is
supposed to be. I mean, it can be anything, right,

(31:39):
it can be this like educational experience for taking people
on a journey through your life and how you've come
to this to who you are right now, like okay, yeah,
at the end, you celebrate because you're a non binary
whatever the fuck it is, right like, or it can
just be silly. Let's have fun. Let's be silly. Let's
say some stupid shit that you probably shouldn't say because
it's fun.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
I need to do more of that to I hold
back from.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
That because you live in l A. Nah.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think it's just it's just me, you know what
I mean. Like I see, like I see you say something.
I see other people say some stuff, and I'm like, uh,
I'm like, I don't even wonder how I'm not like that,
but it's making me think. Now, just if I'm to
get to this flow state that I want to get
to to to the last dragon. You know, when you're

(32:29):
on stage and the glow is around you, like I
might have to like step on that plank a little bit.
You have to see what it feels like.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
You do you do when we're hanging out. You talk
bad ship when we're hanging out, that's true ship. No,
you just take it down a notch when you get
on stage. You just got to treat those people the
same way you treat your best friend.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I don't trust people like that.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
I can't either, But that's why take their phones away.
That's why the underbag, but also the phones in the
yonder bag. So I want It's hard for me, man,
I get it. It's hard for me to not check
my phone. I want to, like see if anybody texted me.
I get bored for three seconds. I'm like, what's in
the news? Three seconds it's I get it. But sticking
that phone in a bag is good for everybody. It's

(33:18):
good for us because we get a chance to fuck around,
and we get a chance to come up with new stuff.
That like, because a bunch of times you say something
the first time you're like, oh, that did not sound good.
I gotta figure out a softer way to say that.
I feel people tighten up. I didn't mean it that way.
It's just I'm trying to figure out the right way
to say it and it comes out bad. Patrese had

(33:40):
a great line about that. He's like, you got to
realize that a bad joke that offends everyone and a
great joke both come from the same place. Is I'm
just trying to make you laugh. It's not a devious person.
It's gonna sneak through some agenda to ruin your mind.

(34:00):
Now you're just trying to make people laugh. But sometimes
people think something's gonna be funny and it's just not.
And you try it and you go fuck, and you
can give up on it, or you can figure out
a way to make it work. Like there's been a
like Chris Rock had that iconic bit I love black people,

(34:20):
I hate mm hmm. So he takes that bit and
he said it just bombed. For like the longest time,
he could not get it to work. He's like, he
knew there was something in there, but it was just bombing.
And I asked him how long he said it like
a year like a year and then it became iconic.
He just figured it out. And sometimes there's bits like that,

(34:42):
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Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't mind doing that, like I do have bits.
I have bits that offend people that shouldn't even offend people. Oh,
there's always gonna be There's always that. But there are
bits where I'm like, all right, I'm going for it here,
but there is like I still have these rules about
offending people. You don't wait to offend them that I

(37:00):
don't want some people some things that I think are ridiculous.
I'm going to go for it, but they cannot be
a paper trail back to me where I have to apologize.
So I'm like, I'm like a careful protagonist or a
careful antagonist, you know, Like I do want to antagonize.

(37:23):
I do want to say some ship, but I'd be like,
I can't say it that way. So so I don't know,
maybe I have to take more more risk. I got
to figure this out, like like you know how we
talk about these naturally, Like we talk about Joey and
we talk about uh uh Cat and all these and

(37:47):
Cam and I feel like there's a gear left in
me that I'm having trouble access in.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Well, oh that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
And I don't want to be like them, but I
feel like they know what you're saying freedom in my
version of me right.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Right, No, I know exactly what you're saying. I know
exactly what you're saying, and I know you can get
there too. It's not like outside of your reach. And
I think it's numbers. I think that's a lot of
it's intention, like putting your intention on that and really
really working hard on that, and then it's numbers. A
lot of it is doing numbers. You know. One of
the things I found I was doing at my club.

(38:28):
I was doing three nights a week, two sets a night.
Was too much. It's like six hours of comedy, right,
But but it's like a guy who's training for a fight,
like you don't want you can't train the way you're
training for a fight all year round because your body
will break down. So fighters what they call peak, so
they peak for a competition and then they get into

(38:52):
the last week and the last week they coast so
their body gets a chance to recover. So they go
into the fight. They're basically almost killing themselves. But when
that almost killed themselves, when you recover for that week,
you come out so strong. And so I think I
was doing that. I was doing that for like, I
was good at that for about three months, which is

(39:14):
like a fight camp, and then it was like my
voice started going. I was like this is kind of crazy.
That's six hours of comedy a week is a lot,
but there's some a freedom that comes from doing that
many sets. There's a freedom of like exploring thoughts. It
was a lack of tension, which holds us back. And
most things that people do that are difficult, one of

(39:35):
the key things that holds them back is at tension.
It's tension, it's fear. It's like you're tight, you don't
feel loose and relaxed, and you know you can feel
loose and relaxed. So it's very frustrating. What is that?
Where is that loose thing? I know it's in there.
I gotta find it.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah. I remember the first time I killed, and it's
nothing now, but that moment, it's nothing now, it's always something.
But when I've seen like Jerry Seinfelt at the same
club killed for an hour on a weekend in his prime,

(40:11):
I was like, oh shit, I didn't really kill. But
the first.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Time, like getting a great response.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Getting a great response from beginning to end after like
you're struggling, you're struggling, you barely got one joke that works.
And then I went on that night and everything just hit.
But it's not only they didn't just everything just hit.
I watched it like it was a real outer body experience,

(40:42):
like I was watching me. I was watching the audience,
but I was on stage. And then when I was
done and the applause and the laughter, I floated off
and then it ended, and then I was really addicted.
That's what I got because I got high on stage.
I'd never even done drugs, damn, but this is what
drugs feels like. And I'm addicted to that.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
You got into the passenger ride. So the passenger ride
is when you almost feel like you're a passenger of
your own act. You're so in it that and you're
so like, you're so not getting in your own way
that you you get You're like the other party is like,
we got this, let me take care of this. You're like, oh,
this is so much fun. Let me sit back and watch.

(41:27):
And you don't get in the way. That other dude,
he gets in the way. It's like if you're driving
with someone in their backseat driver, like does a guy
coming on the right, I fucking see him, man, Relax, shit,
I'm not I'm my blinker on. You know, there's people
like that, and they make you tense, Right, that guy
is in your head, that person who makes your tense
when you're driving, that fucking backseat driver, that that is

(41:49):
in your head that fucks with you all the time.
Like you might think it doesn't fuck.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
With you, it doesn't because I don't. I don't even hear
it or see it. I just know he's there, that
something must be there. Yeah, But if you get a
backseat driver, if you.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Can control that, then you're zen and you get to
that zen place, and you know you can get to
that zen place, and you've done it a bunch of times, right,
then it's the most frustrating when you can't get there.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, because I did it that night without trying, right,
I walked on stage just like that night, just like
any other night. So what was the difference with that
night that I had this recorded back then?

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Nah? No, I got lucky that I met this guy,
Mike Donovan, who is a big comic in Boston, who
was a big headliner in Boston, very funny guy, and
he recorded all sets. He would bring like a fucking
tape player. Back then, you don't have to bring a
whole fucking thing. You had to press and shit, and
he goes, you never know, he goes. There's one thing

(42:51):
you might say that is like the best thing you've
ever said, and it comes off the top of your
head and you'll forget it, and it might be like
the best part of a bit. You might have a
like a new, completely new tagline that comes in your
head in the moment and it kills and it becomes
like the main punch line of the bit. Like you
have to record those. If you don't record those, you'll
never get those.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I record all my sets now, yeah, and then I
do have those moments when you're like, I didn't even
remember saying that this is the best thing I've said
in months.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah. Nobody wants to do that extra extra work of
sitting down and listening to yourself after you've already done standup,
like e right, Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
It's gross. It was. It was tough for me to
get myself to listen to myself.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
It's hard. Yeah, But you know this is like I
think one of the things that we're dealing with, and
this is what we try to address at the club,
is that there's there's never been like a curriculum of
how to do stand up, and there's one there's no
one can really tell you how to do it because
everybody has a totally different way of doing it. But

(43:55):
at least we can give you like an honest framework
of how we did it and what we what we
did wrong, and why we think we did that why
it comes out clunky. And then at the club, the
thing we try to do is just set it up
where there's a bunch of spots, like so there's two
days of open mic knights. They have two nights with

(44:16):
open mic knights, and then you have the door people
who are real comics who auditioned for the job with
their act, so Adam has to watch their act and say, Okay,
you know you've been doing this for x amount of years,
you got real potential. And it's like you get a
chance to watch Colin Quinn, you get a chance to
watch Ian Edwards, you get a chance to watch Shane Gillis.

(44:37):
All these great you know, Jimmy Carr, all these great
comedians are there all the time. It's like the greatest
education and stand up that you could ever And everyone's
cool to you. Everyone's gonna be friendly, everyone's gonna answer questions,
everyone's gonna and and then you got Kill Tony, which
is the number one place where a comedian can break
out in America today. The number one place is Kill Tony.

(44:58):
If you have one good fucking minute and you could
just rock the house for one minute, you could change
the course of your whole life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, that gave me chills because I've seen that. I've
seen that there on that show.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Changes the course of your whole life forever and ever
will you you're at that stage where you've been doing
comedy five six years, you don't know if you could.
You know, you're living in Seattle, the scene's not that good,
and you say, fuck it, I'm gonna go to Austin.
You scratch up some fucking money you made as a waiter,
You get in your car, you drive all the way
to Texas. You put in for one minute, you don't

(45:34):
get up. You stay there. I'm gonna stay on Monday.
You come back next Monday. You don't get up. You're like,
oh my god, I'm running out of money. You start
thinking I should get a job, and then you get
that one minute and boom, you fucking kill, you fucking kill.
And then you go home. You're like, oh my god,
I'm doing it, I'm doing it, it's actually happening. And

(45:55):
then next thing you know, you're a professional comedian and
you're touring all over the world.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
It's pretty crazy, crazy because some people they will just
come to town for that one night, that one.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Day they should and if that's all they can do.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
And do and then see if they can get up.
And if they don't get up, it's a drag. If
you do get up, if you just do mediocre, that's
that's not good either.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
That's a soul crusher. You bomb, that's a soul crusher.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Then you gotta try to come back. But yeah, it's
it's worth it.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Bro have gone on stage for the very first time
in their life in Madison Square Garden to a sold
out show. That's like the first time you lace up
the gloves. You like Mike Tyson when he was twenty.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
They deserve that. They fucking deserved that.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
You Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
You said in the place where Mike Tyson.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yeah, it's like fighting Mike Tyson, who's twenty, is the
first time you have laid the glass.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
You needn't take one practice and your first opponent is
Mike Tyson and his pride would just be Trevor Burberk
good luck.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Or even before you Beatrivor berber even better. Madison Square
Garden while Custom Battle was alive, Madison Square Garden sold out.
Show Kill Tony, You're on the bill. Dice Clay is
the big j Oakerson. David tells there shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Oh my god, why would you do that? Because I
feel like some of those people are narcissist.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Well some people are just insane, right, you know. It's
like you ever watch street fight videos, like why are
you fighting? You don't know how to fight at all?
This is so crazy and they're starting it and then
all of a sudden they're people are crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
I know. I watched some of those backyard fights.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yeah I watch a lot.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, yeah, Like I forgot the one that I watch,
but it's pretty popular. And they got like a cage around,
fancy cage and they try to make it official. But
I'm like, I'm watching this morning. I watched UFC because
it's about it. It's something. What is it about that
that I won't I won't watch Division two soccer. I'll

(48:02):
watch a friend of league. You feel it's a good sight,
Like do you watch the other professional below? UFC League.
Sometimes you do, yeah, I do. But like for me,
I'm a soccer snob, so I want to watch. There's
too many of the best guys playing all week.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
I think soccer is a different thing. I think it's
a more gradual acceleration of progress. And then there's a
thing about fighting where there's a lot of prodigies out there.
So there's like a lot of dudes that you just
hear about, like I'll hear about it through the grapevine,
Like this guy trained with this guy. He tells me that,
and then he's fighting for LFA and this is like

(48:41):
his debut fight, and I watch, Oh shit, here we go.
Because there's guys out there that you never even heard
of that are in like one FC and the PFL,
these other organizations that are world beaters. They're like elite
elite fighters. So you got I have to pay attention
to as many organizations as possible. Because he was a
bunch of people like that. Come over, a bunch of Russians, man, Damn.

(49:04):
There's a lot of Russian, lot of beast Russians, a
lot of beast guys from Dagistan, beast guys from all
those fucking people from that part of the world are
hard ass people.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Dude, I wanted to ask you about this one guy
now I stumbled on. They said he's the best fighter
in history. He was in the UC. Look, so he
started out when he was nineteen in this thing where
it's like it's like flat but kind of like a

(49:37):
little slope.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Like banked on the sides. You're talking about Frank Shamrock.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
No, but this was a black guy, and then he
had a kid, then became a cop, and then maybe
like when he was like thirty, got back in and
he did.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
But this is like translating an ancient language. How do
I not know who this guy? You don't know? I remember,
But tell me who he Just give me one name
and I'll tell you exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Give you one organization.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Of a time. But they whosaying is the best fighter
of all times. The person video.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, it's a YouTube video. They put the compilation together.
But let me tell you something, Okay, Like, so I've
been I'm not an expert. I've been to some fights,
uh with you, and I've watched a little. This nigga
was nice, I'm sure, Like I remember, like the first
time I saw Israel, I saw his compilation stuff before
and this is before you'll see. And then I said, hey, man,

(50:41):
is this guy real? And you're like, yes, so this guy.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
So he's a perfect example. I had my eyes on
Izzy for years because in the kickboxing world he was
fucking people up with style points.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yes, this guy too.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, okay, and you don't remember his name is Mike.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
You think it's time Mike something Junior?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Good through you. How long ago was this? It was
a YouTube video.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
You're a YouTube video?

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Is it? How long ago?

Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's probably six months.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
He's probably gone through fifty thousand. Yeah, yeah, Jamie Cadding
be fine. He's like, that's enough information about you can
put that in the chap.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
He was a cop and he was and he's married.
He's married to like a female fighter now. But he
was like his style was like, you know, the type
of this is driving stream of consciousness type of comedy.
He he would do the the you know, the thunderkick.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
On the regular, Okay, rolling thunder rolling.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Thunderkick on the regular. That was just like standard, like
his feet were his hands and his hands were like
feet too, and he was just very explosive. And he
did one time that a few times, like two guys
beat him because he did go to the USC for
a little bit towards the end of his career and

(52:07):
they did fight some k one ship. He fought in everything,
But God, I wish I had more info, bro, because
I want to know us.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
So if you, if you, if you tell me who
this is, I can tell you everything about them. But
it's like I'm trying to figure out through this puzzle.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
This is like highercholytics.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
I think, just there's too many keywords. I'm trying to
lock round.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I'm trying to run this through Jamie Jamie brain. Jamie
usually is pretty psychic about this kind of ship and
figure out who the fuck it is. But your amount
of information, it's like I would think of yours as
a suspect now if you're a witness. I like the
way this guy's described the scene. I don't like it.
I pulled the other detective aside. I think we got
our guy. This guy's full of ship. He's trying to

(52:54):
throw us off the case.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I think for the other team, I should have booked
barked this guy. You should have booked I should have
bood marked this guy because I was like, I need
to know if this guy is really like this narrator
is saying, but he fought into legit things.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Almost thinking like, are you sure that this was one
real person and they didn't just put together a bunch
of stuff?

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Did you get by some ai?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
He was ball headed? How about that? Oh boy had
a low flat top? How about this light skinned black guy?

Speaker 3 (53:27):
God damn lanky?

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Like how long ago? I guess that might be better?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Yeah, what year are we talking?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
I would say he might have ended his career like
like two thousand and eight, two thousand and five is
or something, because I was like, when I was watching it,
I was like, oh, I got to stop watching for spikes.
But then it got to like, oh this this guy's
retired now, and he was like he retired like maybe
like late thirties.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Listen, there's a lot of guys unfortunately that are really good,
really good, and then you watch them like one or
two fights, and you go, oh my god, this guy
might be the best in the world. It's just the
game is so brutal. It's the most brutal sport ever.
You're using your body to try to break another person's body,

(54:15):
and the most effective way to do that is to
separate them from their consciousness man, you know, or take
their legs out until they can't walk anymore.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I remember one time we went to a fight and
then I said, hey, Joe, why they You know, they
walk to the ring together with their whole crew, and
then right before they get into the ring, they hug everybody,
and it's like, I'm like, why are they hugging They're
going to be right there out on the outside of
the octagon and they're going to be yelling instructions, and

(54:46):
they were in the locker room together. But right before
the person enters a ring, it's almost like a goodbye
because I might not exit this ring the same way
I entered, yes, or at exit at all.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
So it's that's that's what fighting is to me, is like,
that's how dangerous it is. Like when you're like, yeah, goodbye.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Well, it's the last thing you could do to support
that person that you love that's about to go do that, right,
It's real hard when you watch your friends. It's real
hard when you watch your friends get beat up, real hard,
you know, like it's real hard me watching Cormier when
Jones beat them up. That was hard. The steep a

(55:28):
one was hard, you know, especially the one with step
A Kotom against the case. It's just hard, yeah, because
you know them, you know them as human beings, you know,
you know what that's kind of too to them, it's
fucking devastating. It's like it's like a loss. It's like
you lost a family member, you lost a dog.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
You know it's expecting you right now. Ship just thinking
about it, it's like.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
It's hard, man, I start crying.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
But like for me, the hardest one was Shop because
Shop didn't want to quit and I was like, dude,
you the thing about Brendan that most people don't know
is how many concussions he took outside of the fights.
So you see the fights, but he used to spar
with Shane Carwin.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Man.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Shane Carwin was the interim heavyweight champion, the biggest fists
ever registered in the UFC. He had like five XL fists. Bro,
He's so big it was ridiculous. He looked like a
He looked like like in the Avengers, like like he
was he would be like the Hulk. It doesn't look
like a real human like all the other people there.
And then there's Shane Carrwen.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
He was a freak.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
It's a freak. And Brennan shop and him used to
spar all the time and he would get knocked out
all the time. He would get concussions all the time.
All the time he got a concussion, like days before
he fought Ben Rothwell, he got a concussion days before
he fought No Garra. Like. He was getting concussions all

(56:55):
the time, like in the gym. So I knew about
all that shit too when I was seeing the effects,
and I was like, you gotta get out now. If
you don't get out now, there's no happy ending. There's
no happy ending to the guy who gets knocked out
a lot. It's terrible. I was watching a video the
other day that dude who fought Mike Tyson when he

(57:15):
right when he got out of jail. Remember when Mike
Tyson looked like a bodybuilder almost yes, yes, and that dude.
I found the video because I sent it to my friends.
I was like, bro, brain damage is real, fellas, because
it's it's just unfortunate. But you you watch a guy
talk and you go, oh, okay, this is just how

(57:37):
it goes. Yep. All of them, all the greats, all
the greats, you know, sugar racemes to have kept it
together pretty good. Yea, but there's a lot of these
guys I'm not gonna find it is that. That's right,
Pete McNeely. Yeah, this is the guy that fucked and
he fucking went after him. Man, he went after Tyson,
which is crazy. Look he pushed him away. He's trying

(57:58):
to get after.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Him, but bro, and he's got some movement.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
He head butted him there. But Tyson looked phenomenal back,
like physically phenomenal. Look how good he looked. He just
took him apart, just that knockout alone. How's the rest
of your life going to be because he's not even.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Did his corner jump in?

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Yeah, they said that's enough. We know where this fucking
story ends. I was reading about Jerry Quarry yesterday. Jerry
Quarry was the guy who fought Muhammad Ali when Muhammad
Ali had just gotten his license back. So he took
three years he wouldn't fight in Vietnam, and they took

(58:41):
away his they took away his championship, and they took
away his license to box. He couldn't make a living
for three years. And then he thought this dude, Jerry
Quarry and it looked like he had been on the
couch like Ali. Didn't look like Ali anymore, didn't physically
look like Ali, and it wasn't ripped. He looked he
didn't look fat.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
But he looked kind of like he wasn't a physique.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
He changed the way he fought honestly, like look at
him there, it looks good but yeah, but not like right.
So this was the first fight back, and Jerry Quarr
was like this just really tough Irish guy. And him
and his brother were like notorious for having like horrific

(59:25):
gym fights. He was a good fighter, man, real good fighter.
But he died young and he had terrible cte in
dementia before he died, and so did his brother. And
his brother only had a few professional fights. See, Quarry
had a bunch of pro fights, and he fought guys.
I believe he fought Frasier. He might have fought like

(59:48):
Ken Norton. He fought like big time heavyweight power punchers
and legends.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
But that was good left Irish. Don't know, you didn't
count the amount of bar fights exactly, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
But the big thing, man, oh damn, it's a beautiful combination.
You forget how good Ali was even in three years off. Dude,
he looks sweet. But now I want to I want
to show you something different though, because we're seeing this Ali.
First of all, take care of those fucking those strings. Hey, referee,
tie that shape off, Tape that shirt off. Show me

(01:00:23):
Ali versus Cleveland Big Cat Williams. This is my favorite
fight to watch. If anybody never saw Ali before, I said,
you gotta see Ali before they made him retire, and
then you got to realize we lost three years of
this Ali, who was different than anybody who had ever
boxed before anybody. So this is prime Ali. Like, look

(01:00:46):
at the difference right away in the movement right the
wonderfut Jerry Quarry was kind of standing in front of
him more, you know, and he was boxing them and
looking good. But this Ali is like, good luck hitting him,
Good luck, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Look guys like this is awkward, Like how do I
stop this thing from moving so I can hit it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
And this guy who he's fighting, Cleveland Big Cat Williams,
was a killer. He had vicious power man look at
his bill like. Cleveland was a dangerous puncher, dangerous puncher
you couldn't let him hate you, but good because Ali
wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna let him hit him. And
bro he tunes him up in this fight and at
the end of the fight, scooch along so you could

(01:01:26):
see like because he cooks him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Is this is before he beat Listen?

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Uh yes, yes, quite a bit before he beat Listen,
because he beats no no, no, no, no, excuse me.
I was thinking of I. I was not thinking to listen.
I was thinking of format. He beat Listen to win
the title. This is this is after that. So this
is when he was already Ali, because when he beat
Listed it was in black and white too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
So this was right before they made him retire. So
this is like nineteen sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Seven a force retired at moving backwards.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Moving backwards with the one too, And it's so pretty.
There's no wind up. Man, it's just people who don't
think boxing is beautiful. You got to watch Ali Cleveland
Big Cat Williams, and you should watch a little bit
of Big Big Cat Williams before that. You see the
slug fest that he was in. He was fucking people up,
and you know how dangerous this was for Ali. But
look at him. He's just think bing bank, big big bank,

(01:02:21):
biby bank bank bing. Yeah, that's a beautiful man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Ali took him to his world.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
He took him to his word.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
This is a moving man sport exactly, just stand in
front of each other and just have a slug fest.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
And this is the first guy in the heavyweight division
to ever move like this. I mean nobody moved like
this back. Look at that combination. Whoa. Then he stands
over and with his hands up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
It's extra embarrassing with that hairstyle. You had your hair done, bro,
like you had to continent. There's some women fixing it
up and present the fight so you can go out afterwards.
He never wore the suit that he bought to go
with that hairstyle for the after party.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Did this keep going after that knockdown? Yeah, that's crazy.
Let that guy fight another round.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
It was the end of the round. So he was
saved by the bell. They used to have saved by
the bell back then.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
I feel like, because of his reputation and how many
punches he's taken in his life in his career before this,
you have to let this keep going, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
He just did the shuffle on him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Oh now he's feeling it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. See this is the
Ali that we we missed. God, the guy got back
up again, Cleveland, big cat Williams was a stud to
get back up all these times from that. Look how
good Ali looks, man, Oh my goodness. I mean he
looks like a middleweight. It's like a middleweight fighting heavyweights.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
And you know, you know what was unfair about Ally
because you know, all the boxes back then had chins,
so you feel like somebody with Ali's style would not
have a chin. But he had just as good as
chin as anybody else, and he wouldn't let you hit it.
And then if you did get to catch him and
get in the slow fast you wouldn't knock him out

(01:04:18):
because this motherfucker could take a hit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
One guy almost knocked him out, and they totally cheated
to keep it from happening. This guy, no, no, no, no,
this guy in England, God, what was his name? I
can't believe. I can't remember his name right now because
I was just I was where I was going to
talk to you about Bob Foster. Henry Cooper, that's right,

(01:04:41):
thank you. Henry Cooper had a killer left hook, killer
left hook, and he caught Ali back when he cash
his clay right on the button and his just his
legs went, his head rolled back and he slumped down
like so it was like at the bell. They get
him in the corner. They cut his gloves to change gloves, like,

(01:05:02):
what's his left hook? This guy, Henry Cooper was tough
as nails man and he look at that left hook. Man,
it's nasty. Damn bro Ollie was fucked. He was fucked.
So this is at the bell, right, So they get
him in the corner. They gave him smelling salts. They

(01:05:23):
cut his gloves off and changed his gloves. They gave
him some breathing room. Did they cut the part out
where they cut his gloves. I'm pretty sure that happened.
I think that was an Angelo Dundee trick. Ange.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
What a guy, What a corner man?

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Might be the greatest quarter metal ball Ye think about
the one with sugar Y Leonard and Tommy Hearns. You're
blowing it, kid. You see him say that. He says
it in Sugar it stops him in the next round.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
And that was the Hearns fight. That was That was
Sugar Ray versus who Hearns hearns. Yeah, I remember all
those fights. I remember the Hearns Hagla fight. That second
round was like the greatest.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Was the greatest round? Was it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
The first round was the war?

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Yep, the first round right out of the bat? Yeah, Okay,
no evidence Muhammad Ali had his gloves changed mid fight
to get extra time to recover. Rather, it's an urban
legend from his fight with Henry Cooper in nineteen sixty three.
Ali's trainer Angelo Dundee did bling bring Ali's torn glove
to the referee's attention, but the controversy only extended the
round break by a few seconds and Ali went on

(01:06:33):
to win the fight. Okay, so there was a torn glove,
but they didn't let him change the gloves. He showed
a torn glove and it just happened to be torn
right after the knockdown. And this is an urban legend, respectfully, right,
the myth is that he had intentionally cut the glove. Respectfully,
He probably did, right because if the glove all of

(01:06:56):
a sudden was torn right after a knockdown, how many
other times in his care has he had a torn
glove where the fighter was winning? Zero times.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
How do you tear when you're getting hit?

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
If he had, if he was in Henry Cooper's corner
and he found that cut, do you think he would
tell the referee. No, he wouldn't say a fucking thing,
like it's bullshit. But I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
He bought some time, smart movie and one second in boxing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Look at that face, Wow, the face, and he busted
him up. I think he stopped him by cuts, if
I remember correctly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
I used to watch all these old fights, but it's
so long, I can't remember the full details. Like I
knew who you were talking about before you could remember
his name.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yeah, I forgot his name because I was thinking of
Bob Foster because I watched this whole piece on Bob
Foster last night. People forgot about.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Him and Bob Foster.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
He was the light heavyweight champion when Ali was the
heavyweight champion, and he believe he tried. I know he
fought Ali at least once. He tried to go up
to heavyweight. It just didn't carry over because he was
a weird, weirdly shaped guy, Like he was tall, but
he was like he was not muscular at all, but
he was here. Well, give me a Bob Foster KO highlights.

(01:08:14):
I got on a whole rabbit hole the other night
because I watched this one video about where they were
talking about Bob Foster and about how deceptive his punching
power was, and then I'm like, oh my god, I
forgot and then I went down a Bob Foster rabbit hole.
And it's also the confidence in this video. He was
talking about take me one or two rounds and I

(01:08:34):
let's just knock him out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Is he the black guy or a white guy?

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
The black guy? Bro Foster had.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Look at this, Bro, Bro, this is like a mother
beating a child.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Bro was He's had tremendous power, man. Like the whip
in his punches is like very similar in a lot
of ways to Tommy Hearns, but he's a lot bigger,
you know, he's one hundred and seventy five pounder. But
it's that whip to the punches that Foster had, Like
look at the turn, Like the amount of torque that
he gets when he throws these punches. And Bob Foster,

(01:09:07):
he fucking flatlined a lot of dudes. Man, He took
a lot of dudes out of this dimension. Boom. Look
at that left fuck Ooh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Yeah, like you know the arms, let me know your
legs are going.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Yeah, Foster fucked a lot of guys up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Oh he had a movement too.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
He did. He just wasn't quite big enough to beat Ali.
You know, Ali was a solid thirty five forty pounds
heavier than them. That's just too much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yeah he's tall enough, but not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Oh that's him versus Quarry at heavyweight. Goud just show
you how many guys Corey fought. Fuck yeah, these guys
didn't stop until they died. No. No, well Corey died
because of it much earlier. Like that was that doesn't
look like Kary, that's what it says. Left, Okay, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
He just went to sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Foster versus Dick Tiger. This is a good one because
he said about Dick Tiger like Dick Tiger was a
champion at the time, I believe. And he said about
Dick Tiger, it's just taking me one or two rounds
to hit him and then I'm gona knock him out boom.
He just he had this power that was just undeniable.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
There's some dudes who look at that the way he
throws it, Like everybody who like as a young boxer
learning learned from this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Like the whip, this is unfair to the reach, the reaches.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Yeah, say that's all Mike Tyson's opponents.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Guyne But that's why I like Mike Tyson. Like wasn't
even six feet tall. It wasn't even six feet tall.
And he can get inside.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Oh my god, like a tornado.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Yeah. And sometimes he'd stay real down, yeah, and you'd
be throwing above his head and then he'd come up
with it. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Oh, he would have fun. He was playing with his
food back in those days. You know, he was having
fun with guys. He was having fun. It was a
different thing that we had never seen a heavyweight move
like that before, right, So there was ali never seen
everyweight so agile, so fluid on his feet. He looked
like a better version of Sugar Ray Robinson at heavyweight,

(01:11:15):
right if you could believe it, which is crazy. But
also he wasn't fighting the caliber of fighters. Well, I
guess he was as when he became a champ the
second time around. He definitely did when he got into
like Joe Frasier and Foreman, And I always wondered, man,
if he didn't know those three years. I don't know
if any of those dudes could have touched him if

(01:11:36):
he kept that up like what he was versus Cleveland,
big Cat Williams. And you add three more years because
I think Fraser became the champ after he retired. I
just don't. I don't think they beat that version of Ali.
And we don't get the Jerry Quarry version if this
Ali is not sitting on the couch for three years.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
But it also saved the brain damage for way later
than it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Maybe din't because maybe he wasn't agile anymore, so he
took more braains.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
So he took more blows. When he came back, he.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Had to rely on his chin, you know, and he
had a tremendous chin. But it's just like I always
as a person who sees guys in their prime, because
I think what year was Ali when they took his
license away? How old was he? I want to say
he was twenty seven and comes back at thirty. He
comes back at thirty, which is near quitting age for

(01:12:28):
a lot of five. Yeah, it gets near there, It
gets near quit in time. Three years. Is the thing
is like he wasn't a guy that was like a
Bernard Hopkins who just stayed in the gym, kept running
every day. He wasn't that guy. And he was always
involved in a lot of political things because he was
an activist. He was a very outspoken anti war activist,

(01:12:49):
and they took away his livelihood because of it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Bernard Hopkins had the most.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
He was twenty five when he retired when when they
took it his license.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
He was born for you too.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
That happened sixties and he came back at twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
Yeah, I guess sixty seven, refuses to be inducted into
the army, immediately stripped of his title.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
I think Cleveland Big Cat Williams is the last fight
that he has before they strip him over his title
because they wanted him to fight in Vietnam, which is
just crazy. Four no, so fight in the centuries. So
he comes out in seventy against Quary. So it's almost
four years, right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
From twenty sixty seven to October three and months, three
and a few months.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Okay, three years in a few months, so sixty seven
and from the time he fights Cleveland Big Cat Williams,
that was sixty six, So those those are prime years,
you know. And but the big thing is not training
during those years. That's the big thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
I know how I feel after not doing stand up
for one week.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Yeah, but you don't know what it's like to have
your muscles deteriorate, Like your muscles will go away.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Right, and your reflexes and all the twitch end of everything.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
It might take years to build it back, and in
his case, he never really did. He never built it
back to the Cleveland at that level. Like he didn't
come out and just move around like that at thirty.
He just didn't. It was different.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
That was different, and it was a heavier ship to
move around too, because he was heavier. You get heavier
ian after thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Also, you're going through training camps and you're not in
shape in the beginning. Like that's a different thing. Like
I don't know how much time he had to prepare
for Jerry Quarry, but I would imagine it's not more
than a few months. So you could imagine your You're saying, hey, Muhammad,
we got to get ready like you're and he's like,
I'll be ready. I was going ready. Why are you
telling you I'm ready right now? So put on those

(01:14:50):
Because he would talk ship to people and you couldn't
say anything right, So if you're imagine him, if you're
training him, like, good luck getting the word in. He's
the greatest of all time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
I am, hell, have you trained it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
I remember he was talking to Howard Cosell, and Howard
Cosell said, you sound very truculent. Champ. He goes, whatever,
truckle it means if it's good, I'm that. Yeah I'm
not yeah yeah, and he said with zero hesitation.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
I remember one time he said, I'm so fast, I'll
turn off the light and get in the bed before
it gets dark.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Nobody had been like that. Nobody, nobody talked like that,
nobody moved like that. He was a totally different thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
He would stand up comedy, funny.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
He was like when I watch his old videos, like
like normally you just watch a fight, a fight. Yeah,
I could watch Muhammad Ali talking compilation. Yes, that's how
fucking entertaining this motherfucker was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Yeah. He was so entertaining. Yeah, he was so entertaining.
And he because of his refusal to fight in the
Vietnam War, he represented the generation. Yeah. Yeah, he represented
the young people that were like, yeah, this is fucked,
like what are we doing? Yeah? You know, and people.
A lot of people were mad at him, called him
a trader. But in the end they all kind of
realized like, oh, he was right, he was right history.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
They realized they were on the wrong side of history because.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
People don't know back then, because the only war they
had remembered before that, I mean there was Korea, but
really people remember World War two. World War two. We
had to fight the bad guys. We did our thing.
We stood up for our country and that's why we
got the greatest country in the world right now. And
you're not going to do your part, man, fuck you?

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Yeah. And then during the Vietnam War, it's like, oh,
wait a minute, something, this might be a drug running operation.
We might be like fighting in the jungle because someone
wants to control drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Is that what Vietnam War was?

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
I believed. I believe there's a lot of factors, but
I believe one of the major factors was controlled of
the opium trade.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
That is wild.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Well, I mean I want to say that about Afghanistan
as well. Yeah, because the production of heroin out of
Afghanistan ramped up after we were there and we were
guarded the poppy fields.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
And it was put of opiate crisis that they put
in the oxy cotton here exactly for the same.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
I mean, it's the same, it's the same thing. It's like,
it's all just heroin. It was at one point in time,
I think it was ninety something percent of the world's
heroin supply was coming out of Afghanistan. And that's why
we were over there. We were over there guarding those fields.
I see. We not me, not yet. We were there,

(01:17:26):
what Americans were and Heraldo Rivera fucking went over there
to visit them and talked to a guy, this military guy,
who explained why they have to guard the poppy fields.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
And what did guys say?

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
It was like basically saying, you know, we have to
protect these people from al Qaeda. Like listen, do you
know how gas lighty that is? Just think of how
gas lighty that is. We have to protect these kind
and humble heroin growers. We have to protect them from
these other people who are just terrorists, right who live here,

(01:17:59):
And we're here. We invaded this place to keep these
people from stopping these people from selling heroin. And we're
the good guys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Like what and especially the word al Qaeda? When I watched,
was it Rambo three, which was the Rambo in Afghanistan.
And then you watch the credits and thank you for
the brave fighters of al Qaeda in the credits. Bro
It's in the credits because he when Rambo three was

(01:18:28):
him helping Afghanistan fight the Russians. So then we were
funding al Qaeda. Have you ever seen the movie Charlie
Wilson's War. No, you haven't seen Charlie Wilson's War. Frank
Tom Hanks and he was either Congressman or senator that
figured out a way to funnel money. He knew Congress

(01:18:50):
wasn't gonna give like you know, like we give. We
vote to have a package to go to Israel, so
they weren't gonna vote to give a package to help
us fight or give money and weapons to al Qaeda
to fight the Russians and during their war. So then

(01:19:12):
he figured out a way how to get funding and
circumvented to al Qaeda so that they could fight the Russians.
Because it's all a part of the Cold War, right right,
right right, And like in Vietnam, Russia fought us, but
through the Viet Cong and the Afghanistan, we fought them

(01:19:33):
back through.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Al Qaeda and that's what's going on in Ukraine right
now too.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
So what's what's the deal with the Ukraine because I
kind of know what's going on, but I'm kind of confused.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Well, we funded, you know, we along with the other
European countries funded you know, and it's it's kind of
the same thing, it's in similar ways. But this is
what they really want control over is the resources. It's
a extraordinary amount it's soil, but the real thing is
the amount of minerals, rare earth minerals.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
For the computers.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
There's they're they're sitting on an enormous, enormous bounty of
rare earth minerals. They also have natural gas. So this
was part of the the real controversy with why Hunter
Biden was running Barisma, which is a Ukrainian energy company,

(01:20:30):
Like why why is he doing that? What? What is
the deal there? Well, it's like what they were trying
to do is control energy, control the market for that.
And he had access through his dad to something, you know,
got a nice chrissy job. But there's enormous resources in
that country, right and the war is partly over that, right,

(01:20:55):
partly over we crossed NATO NATO cross the line that
they weren't supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
We're not supposed to arm them and have them nuclear
weapons right next to Russia.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Exactly right. It's not we obviously, but we're a part
of NATO. And NATO promised at the end of the
Soviet Union that they wouldn't move the arms closer to Russia,
and they just kept doing it, right, And you know,
the idea is that if they wouldn't do that, Putin
would probably take over everything. He'd go through Poland, like
you need NATO. So I see both arguments, Yeah I do.

(01:21:27):
And obviously the person who invaded a country is the
bad guy. Yeah, that's the bad guy. That's the bad guy.
He went into a country and hundreds of thousands of
people are dead now because of it. Right, But you
don't know what the real motivations are of war are
until like the fog of war settles and the dust
settles and the war's over. Then ten years later somebody
writes a book and you go, oh god, it was that, right, Like,

(01:21:52):
you guys just wanted money, You guys just wanted to
control oil. You guys just wanted to make sure they
stayed on the US dollar. You guys just wanted to
do that. You were pretending that there was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
This this cause.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
The Vietnam War is the perfect example. The Gulf of
Tonkin incident. They made up an attack and then everybody's like,
oh my god, they attacked us. They fucked around, and
now they're gonna find out, we're gonna send our boys.
And how many hundreds of thousands of people died, and
how many hundreds of thousands more lives were ruined forever.

(01:22:26):
How many guys came back just with the horrific memories
that they could never shake out of their head. They
wake up in the middle of night screaming, they see
people die, they see their friends die. They maybe have
to kill people. Yeah, yeah, trauma, trauma. And then Muhammad
at least said fuck you, and everybody was like, oh

(01:22:46):
my god, he is he's a trader. You you are
not supporting America, And like half the country, just like
you know anybody today, like half the country's mad at you,
and half the country loves you, and for a while
became the whole country loved him. They'll realized he was right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Is there ever going to be a point where there'll
be one person that the whole country loves Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
It felt like it was like that back in the day, Like, yeah,
there were people with some people like that, but now
it was before social media.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
Yeah, because even people like that back in the day
were the whole country loved on television and in the newspapers.
In real life, there was always some guy at the
gas station talking shit about that guy. You know, there
was always someone at the gym talking about that. People
always talk shit, they just didn't have a public forum.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
But if somebody talks about that guy mm hm, you
know to people, he's talking that shit to it. They
were like, the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Right? This is a great guy, right, that's Larry Bird,
the son of a pit How dare you? How dare you?

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Yeah, just because he beat you in high school?

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Let it go.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
They're like encouraging it, right, you know they want it,
they want more of it. Uh yeah, fucking weird man.
It's social media. You know. It's given voices to people
that maybe really didn't earn a voice. Not that it's bad.
I don't think it's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I don't think it's bad either.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
I think it's good. I think even yeah, even the
chaos of that these people that shouldn't get all that
attention getting attention. It's like bad for them, it's bad
for everybody, but it's better net. Like if you look
at like the overall amount of good it does, it's
way better than it is bad. But it's just a
new thing that everybody has to deal with. And one

(01:24:27):
of the things is the impulse to be a cunt. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
But also like just as a black person growing up
and watching the news, right, it always felt slanted and
against us anyway. And then somebody either Neil Brannan said
this or Chris Rock said this to Neil Brannan, Like
a lot of white people are finding out now that

(01:24:51):
shit that black people are waiting knew, you know about
like not trusting the cops all the time or the
FBI all the time, or or parmaceutical drugs onharmaceutical drug
companies all the time. Or Yeah, they will drop a
shipment of drugs off and guns off in your neighborhood
and fuck it up and ruin it on purpose, on purpose. Yeah,

(01:25:11):
because ship they got him poppy feels on another continent.
Well you think that ship is going to go?

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
You know, I had that dude freeway Ricky ross On
a bunch of times, A bunch of times right, And
he didn't even know who he was selling coke for.
He was selling coke for the United States government and
had no idea, and he was they were letting him
and he was doing it for the Iran Contra. Huh, yeah,
it was. It was the contra was Iran Contra, but
it was they were funding the Contras versus the Sandinistas Nicaragua.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
He didn't even know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
I don't know which side we were funding, but we
were funding one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
The anti the anti communist side. We were funded hilarious
gorillas who were fighting against the communists proudly government.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Maybe there's a bunch of those dudes that are just
playing war games. They're playing war games and they get
to do it back in the eighties, back then, they
got to do it without any oversight. R They just
played war games and they lied and then you know,
you get they're like, just tell him this, Yeah, they
just I remember Jimmy Tingles, very funny Boston comedian. He

(01:26:13):
had a joke about Ronald Reagan because they brought Ronald
Reagan into trial and they said, did you ever sell
arms to Iran. He's like, I don't recall, and he
goes miss the President. He goes, next time you sell
ams to people who hate us, jot it down. He
goes make a note, put it on the refrigerator. But

(01:26:35):
that's where you know. Reagan literally was falling apart at
that time. Though people didn't believe it. They're like, come on,
he can't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
But and then that was just his defense. Because I
do think it was his defense. Then you're not perjuring yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
CIA was a conscious Okay, the CIA recruited, funded, and
trained the Conscience, which included remnants of samosas National guard.
I think he was playing it off. But then I
don't know, because he did get dementia. He did get dementias,
he got Alzheimer's real bad. At the end of his life,
he could remember shit.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
But it was I feel like he got the Alzheimer's
like twenty years later. I could be wrong. I don't
remember years no more.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
But I don't remember either.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
I feel I feel it was.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
I feel like towards the end though, his cognitive function
was declined definitely. But like, that's how it goes with
guys in their seventies, especially if they don't take vitamins, right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
And if you're Reagan, do you want to remember everything
that you did?

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Definitely not so yeah, definitely not.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Alzheimer's is almost like a blessing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Yeah. All those guys like George w like, you don't
want to remember nothing, You don't want to remember the
Iraq War. We tricked people into going to Iraq because
we got attacked on nine to eleven by someone who
was funded by the saud He's like, what what, what
why are we interac shut up?

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Yeah, I feel went over there. I feel angry every
time I think about that one, because I was duped,
Like I wanted war, was like we got to go.
They got weapons of mass destruction to go stop them.
Like like the thing that they ran on the news
worked on me and like I never questioned it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Yeah, and I didn't question it either initially. Yeah, but
I did. I did have a bit about it, Yeah,
where I was like it was like the only way
for people to find out how dumb people are. Like
the people that run the world, they don't know you,
they don't get to hang out with you, they don't
know exactly how dumb you are. They all went to

(01:28:30):
Ivy League schools. The only way to find out how
dumb people are is put a dumb guy in as
president and then see if everybody freaks out. And then,
you know, the bit was like after he tricked people
into going into Iraq and starting the war and then
he got re elected, I go, he won again. He
won again, like the people that run the world like wow.

(01:28:52):
And then someone in the back of the room goes,
I think we can go dumber, and he was right.
He was right. They went dumber. And we all felt
duped by that one. You know, we all felt duped
by a bunch of different ones. One was the financial collapse,

(01:29:13):
when the housing market collapse, and then the guy started
getting bonuses. They have to get their bonuses. The CEOs
have to get their bonuses. You're like, what, wait a minute,
you guys, your bank collapse and you get a bonus.
What do we do? And it's our money? So you're
taking our money and you're you're helping save these these banks.

(01:29:34):
And then the CEOs get bonuses because if we don't
give them a bonus, they'll leave and go somewhere else,
Like what is this logic?

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Right? The thing I don't understand about two thousand and
eight is where did the money go?

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
So listen, So these bunch of people had the money,
right and they lost it, but when they lost it,
it didn't get burned. Somebody else got the money exactly.
So then why was everybody broke?

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Like because somebody else got rid.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Somebody else got rich. But what way they're doing with
the money, don't they do? Why did nobody have money?

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
See this is where you and I are regular people,
and we're not financially minded at all, not at all, right,
So we're not the kind of devious market people that
would see an opportunity and take advantage of it. Right,
So what was the biggest transfer of wealth in modern history?

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Don't they say? That's kind of happening now.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
COVID, COVID, Okay, COVID, biggest transfer of wealth ever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Elaborate on that for me.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
So what happened was all these mom and pop places
got shuttered. Right, you can't go there, you don't have
a it's we're in a pandemic. Okay. You can only
go to Target during the pandemic. You can only go
to McDonald's during a pandemic. You can only go to
Wendy's during a pandemic. You can't go there. It's a pandemic.
You can't have your comedy club open, it's a pandemic.

(01:30:57):
You can't have this these restaurants, me, that's dangerous outdoor dining.
What about the optics? Shut it down? And so where's
all that money go? Well, that money goes to all
the other businesses that can stay over, Walmart, Target, all
these things flourished. The stocks change, right, seventy plus of

(01:31:20):
all LA restaurants went under, People lost millions of dogs.
Where'd that money go? It got legally siphoned into other
people's businesses that were allowed to stay open.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Right, And also with the stimulus, like a lot of
big companies got huge stimulus. Yeah checks like we got
some dollars here and there, but they got.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
They got a lot of dollars they got. There's been
a bunch of those transfers of wealth where you only
look if you have to look at it like a psychopath,
like a complete sociopath who really understands how the system works.
And if they'll explain it to you, you go, oh,
so that's what they did. Yeah, that's what they did.
They told you you how to stay home. They told
you how to do this, and why they extended for

(01:31:59):
so long to crush the economy because it didn't crush
the economy for them, right, it boosted there. The more
they could keep you from spending money at those places,
the more you had to spend money at a therapy,
at this and that and anything that's open. It's all
they closed the market down.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
So let me ask you a question like how much?
And I had this question in my head twenty years
ago because I noticed a lot of greed, right, and
I was like, twenty years ago, I was like, how
much people money do the people that got money want?
And And now I still have that same question because
I feel like those people should have had enough twenty
years ago when I asked to be like, all right,

(01:32:39):
let me just chill. It's probably a different set of
people who are like they were twenty years ago, But like,
how much money do people want? And if you get
all the money and nobody has anything, do you really
have money? Because how are you going to get more
money from people that don't have no money because you
took it off.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Well, no one's gonna get that rich. That's a funny
way of looking at it, but there's there's different kinds
of people that make money, right, there's kinds of people
that make money because they make a lot of things.
That's like Elon Musk, that's his money. And then there's
kinds of people that make money that are only trying
to make money. That's all they're trying to do. They're
trying to do deals, they're trying to do this, they

(01:33:18):
trying to do that, but the whole idea is just
to make money. Elon's thing is to make things. Like
he's there to make Starlink. He's there to give Internet
access to people all over the world. He's there to
make electric cars, he's there to make electric roofs. He's
there to make spaceships that can go up and rescue
people and bring them back down and land. He's making things,

(01:33:41):
and because of making things, he's the richest guy on Earth.
By the way, publicly, that's different than the real world.
Like the real world it might be putin. It might
be some king in the Middle East. Yeah, well that's
different too because it's not like individuals. But yeah, it's

(01:34:01):
a good point, but.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
They could just print.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
But the actual one richest person in the world in
America at least the way we Forbes five hundred guy
is the guy who makes the most stuff. It's elon right,
you know. And then you have the guys that are
just trying to make money, and that's a different kind
of cat. So those guys are just trying to make money,
those are the weird ones because they're just a number
of people. They're number people, and so if they're thinking

(01:34:24):
about numbers all the time, then they don't give a
fuck about you. They're just trying to make more numbers.
And that you get more and most sociopathic as you
go down that road.

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
Right, So my question is is there an equation right
to prove that that, like our brains can't do it,
but could some body into money? Is there an equation
that they could come up with to prove that you
could make more money from peace than war.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
And why problem is in this equation.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Because it's the easiest way to do it. The easiest
way to do it is war, because you trick people
into doing it and you can control an entire country,
and you know, it's like you're not going to make
the same It's like there's groups of people that will
make the most amount of money from war for sure.
Military defense contractors they make the most amount from a war.

(01:35:23):
That is their business, like, and you can't fault them.
That's what they do. You need them because you need
you need.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Them, and they have a stronghold already. They're not going
to give up.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
They're like a pibole that wants to convince you to
let it off the leash. Let me off the leash. Dad,
This fucking German shepherd, talking ship, talking shit. Bro, This
is over in five seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Every time we walk by here, they bark in the yappiness.
Shut this down.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Their business is to make ship and not only just
make shit, make better shit all the time. And I
was thinking that the other day. I was like, if
they're always making new jets, like what do they do
with the old jets? I kind of have to blow off.
They kind of have to like go launch the missiles.
They have these extra missiles from like that they never
killed anybody with. They're just sitting around. They're gonna go bad.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Stop We're gonna use them, yeah, with expiration dates.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Hut. That's their business man. It's like that Nicholas Cage
movie was a Nicholas Cage movie about a guy who
sold arms Lord of war. That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Oh yeah, if.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
You're selling weapons, you want a war, you know. And
those are the guys that are getting the Giganto contracts.
And then some guy comes in and he's like, I
pledged to double defense spending and make America stronger than
it's ever been. And those guys are running the stock market.
Bye bye bye rate the RD bye bye bowing.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
But we as people, why are we buying this because we.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Don't We do know the deal, but we're only learning
the deal now, right, Like, as a culture, I think
it's only been like ten years where people are like, wait,
what the fuck is going on? I think ten years
ago most people think Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Even I had my doubts, and I'm like the most
gullible off book in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
You had your doubts? Good, Yeah, yeah, I knew there
was something up with the story a long time ago
because I read a book. But if you're the average
person twenty years ago, you're not going to buy any
of these wacky conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
You were the crazy person. People stopped talking exactly, you
got anxiety exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Now, someone that you're close with sends you a video
and you just watch this and you're like, what, Yeah,
oh my god, they killed Kennedy. Oh my god. And
you're watch it, you're like what. Some guy comes on
a podcast, You're like, oh my god, they framed Nixon. What?
Oh my god? Did ever tell you what? Bill Murray said?

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
Bill Murray came in here and the same guy Bob Woodward,
who was a part of Woodward and Bernstein that took
down Nixon. He wrote a book on John Belushi and
John Belushi, who was one of Bill Murray's best friends.
And so Bill said he read the first five pages
and he was like, oh my god, they framed Nixon. Oh.
So the book was so full of shit. It was

(01:38:00):
so made up, like it was this made up character
of John Belushi who he was with all the time,
Like he didn't know John Belushi. John Belushi died of
a drug overdose. So he fabricated this crazy, wild thing
and called it Wired. And he said he read five
pages of It's like, oh my god, they framed Nixon.
Damn isn't that crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
One of the most disgraced presidents of all time framed?
So was he a good guy? Because he got rid
of the Gold Stand.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
He was not a good guy. And this is not
a binary thing. Nixon was not a good guy. Nixon
also passed that sweeping Psychedelics Act that made everything illegal,
and he did that specifically to target the anti war
movement and the civil rights movement. Specifically, they wanted to
take those people who were involved in the anti war
movement and the civil rights movement. They want to put
him in jail. And the best way to do it.

(01:38:47):
They were all smoking grass, they were all eating mushrooms,
they were all doing LSD. Just make all that stuff
super illegal and then bust them. And that's what they did,
and they changed the entire the direct action of the culture,
like what Nixon did was catastrophic to human civilization because
who knows where we would be as a culture if

(01:39:10):
psychedelics were legal this entire time from nineteen seventy forwards.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
So should we thank or no, we don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
Because Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent r agency guy.
He was he was a naval intelligence officer and his
first project as a reporter was Watergate. That's crazy. Why
would they give that to a guy where it's his
first project. His first major story is the biggest story

(01:39:39):
in the history of the world. And he just happens
to be a naval intelligence agent. What there's like senior reporters.
There's these people that are like beaten the street there,
they're out there every day. And the guys who broke
into Watergate, they were all FBI. So here's the thing.
Nixon didn't have knowledge of it. But then they brought

(01:40:01):
it to Nixon and he covered it up and then
they're like, oh, gotcha, And that's how they got rid
of him. And they also got rid of Spiu Agnew
who was his vice president. They got him on corruption
charges that kicked him out, put in Gerald Ford. Gerald
Ford was in the Warren Commission. Oh. And then one
of the things about Nixon is Nixon couldn't shut the
fuck up about knowing who killed Kennedy and trying to

(01:40:23):
get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
Why Why did Nixon want to get to the bottom
of because.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
He was worried they were going to kill him. He
knew Bobby Kennedy because he lost to Casey.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
He lost to Kennedy. I figured he didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
He lost to Jfka in a previous election, right, and
you know, he knew that guy like and he knew
who killed him, and he started talking about it. And
the problem talking about it is they're like get rid
of them. I never know, do you know? He was
like he won at the time, it was the he
was the most popular president of all time, Like he

(01:40:57):
won with the most amount of votes of anybody ever.
We look at him like a crook he was, and
by the way, probably was. At the very least he
did cover up that crime. He didn't say what they did.
What don't know, I'm gonna we're gonna make a press
conference and we're gonna fucking find who did it and
we're gonna come clean. Instead he tried to cover it up.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
But to me, like when I think about Watergate, from
what I remember of, it wasn't really that big of
a deal. Like it's so sensationalized. What what What was
the real crime? Like, what was the somebody broken somewhere and.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
They installed recording equipment so they could listen in on
peoplestening the Democratic Party. So the Republicans are listening to
the Democrats as they're getting ready to campaign against them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
So it's kind of illegals.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
It's definitely illegal, but it's not that big of a
deal because they're doing that to you right now. Like
if you have your phone and you're you know and
you're you know me, if you know me, your phone
is bugged, right, good luck? Those are all either side.

(01:42:01):
And you know that that is something that we had
to find out from Edward Snowden. Okay, you know when
when when that was exposed, we learned like, oh god,
there's a mass surveillance program that's secret, that's been around
forever and the NSA has been running it like all
that what Nixon was doing was just a version of that,

(01:42:23):
or not even Nixon doing, but what his what the
crime was was a version of that. Listening in on
your opponents. They probably all listen to each other now,
They probably all hack into each other's email. They probably
hire hackers to hacking each other's phones and hacking each
other's emails and shit, and you know they do that. Man,
It's just it's a dirty game.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
I mean, they've turned that dirty political game into like life.
Like you said, if I know you, my phone is
hacked or just the is it the NSA or who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
There's probably organizations that are new that we don't even
know of. You know, they like, too many people know
about the CIA.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Let's branch out, let's come it with something new.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
Yeah, and you need intelligence agencies because the world is
a dirty, dark place filled with monsters and a lot
of them we put there, but they're still monsters. And like, look,
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. We got monsters, but we have
to fucking have a wall and arm the turrets. Trump
executive order quietly declared that NASA is now a spy agency.

Speaker 5 (01:43:21):
What nut a couple weeks ago?

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
What they spy from space?

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
I don't know what does it mean? Executive order came
out and there's just a redesignation. I think of what
NASA is officially.

Speaker 3 (01:43:35):
What does that mean?

Speaker 5 (01:43:35):
I don't know that's what It could be nonsense or
it could mean something important.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
You know, is this a legit?

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
Like did they change the name of it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
No, it's still called NASA as far as I know.
But yeah, here the.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Order stipulates the agency will now have as a primary
function intelligence, counterintelligence, investigative or national security work. What why
would they do that? The major departure for the agency
was historically focused on space exploration as well as space
and Earth sciences. Over its sixty seven year lifespan, not

(01:44:08):
to mention that science and exploration stuff. NASA Watch founder
Keith Cowing, former scientists and agency at the agency now
closely follows its internal and external politics, wrote in a
blog post there are signs that Trump's intentions behind the
order were at least partially related to labor concerns rather
than spycraft. The order also added that NASA to the

(01:44:29):
Federal Service Labor Management Relations Statute, excluding it from collective
bargaining representation. Ooh, the news at NASA will now be
a spy agency was seemingly overshadowed in the media by
the president's elimination of union rights for thousands of federal
employees mere days before Labor Day, despite multiple lawsuits challenging

(01:44:50):
the change. I wonder if this is because of private
space companies, because they're so far ahead, Like Blue Origin
is far ahead of what NASA does. SpaceX is very
far ahead of anything that they do. It's almost like
you leave it in the hands of private companies. They

(01:45:12):
could do a better job of space anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
And then turn NASA into this.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
No. I don't like, why are you doing that? I
fe the last thing we need is more spies.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
But I feel like when you turn something into a
spy agency, it already was right, and you're just like,
let's just make it official.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Right. They put satellites in overhead.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
Right, and when we watch movies and they like looking
at parts of other countries to try to track down
the villain in the movie, like they're using that, they're
giving away kind of what's really happening. Oh for sure,
So it is basically a spy you know, organization.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
Well, if they're launching spy satellites, they're a spy organization, right, right.
If NASA's launching satellites, that's mostly what they're launching. They're
not putting anybody on other planets anymore, allegedly, and they're
not doing anything with the Space Shuttle anymore. So what
are they doing? Why not be a spy agency. You
gotta stay open.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Yeah, they move around.

Speaker 3 (01:46:08):
Boys can't be blockbustered forever.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
I think they took them into a room they said, listen,
aliens are real. There's space ships we have are all bullshit.
We have a couple of years left. Well, so uh,
use it for something else. We're we're not going to
travel to the moon. Anymore, settle down.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
I mean, I'm just even the alien shit. Like I
believe in aliens. I don't really got a lot of proof,
but the denial of it is my proof, right, you
know what I'm saying, the harsh denial. And just like
how we're talking about back in the day, if you
didn't like the guy that everybody liked, they ostracized you.

(01:46:49):
If you believe in aliens, they ostracized you. Oh yeah,
and everything from the It's like May one days to
teach us you got to drink milk strengthens your bones.
Then you realize milk past a certain amount of time,
if you keep drinking it is bad for you. Like
everything that was bad for you is good for you,
and everything that was good for you we find out
it's bad.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
She also comes around again because the real milk that
you're supposed to be drinking is raw milk. The reason
why milk is not so good for you, especially low
fat milk, is because there's not your body's like, what
is this Like you've you've boiled out all the enzymes
and killed all the living organisms in it. It's just
like this weird protein liquid that I'm drinking, and it

(01:47:30):
makes you fart and you feel weird. You drink real
milk like raw milk. I had raw milk the other
day and I drank it. I was like, Oh, this
is what milk's supposed to taste like, this is so
much better. It's way better. And it's illegal. Meanwhile, why
is it illegal? Glyphs, it's legal. There's all sorts of
shit that's legal, like ground up round.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Up that gives the people cancer.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
Not just people cancer, like anybody close to a golf course.
There's there was some study about getting Alzheimer's disease like that,
you can get Alzheimer's much more likely if you're within
a mile or so of.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
Was Monsanto before they sold the company to the German
company bea exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
So then maybe Montano bought bear Or.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
Andison. Yeah, not that I can't even remember to order
the ship because that's nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Isn't that nuts? And they spray that ship on everything.
Not only do they spray that ship on everything, they
make certain plants they're genetically designed to be resistant to
round up, so you could spray more of it on
the corn. And then the thing is they spray it
on it at the end of the growing cycle to
dry it out. Apparently that's like a lot of the
glyphasse that you get in your system is totally unnecessary.

(01:48:51):
They just do it to speed up the process.

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
That's my thing is like why, like this is so
it's gross, right, Like sometimes right, the money they spend
to lie, right, it's like you could have put that
money into making this shit healthy and good.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
Yeah, they can't, though they're objective. The problem is corporations
as an entity, the way it's been established, the way
it's set up, Corporations as an entity always want to
make more money, right, And when you always want to
make more money, you figure out a way to make
more money. And if you can bullshit your way into
making more money at the other people's expense, that's what
you do. And then you justify it, and you have

(01:49:35):
lawyers and you fucking keep people in court and you
drag it out and then you you know, you accept
a small percentage of the profits that you pay off
people with because they got damaged by your product, and
you keep moving because you're a piece of shit and
you don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
But all you say you win, say you make some money, yeah,
but you spend some money. You spend so much money,
like with the lawsuits keeping people in.

Speaker 3 (01:49:59):
Court, you made more money, worry, but I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
Like you made more money than you than you spent.
But the money you spent could have been spent to
make a good, healthy product, so you wouldn't even have.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
Depends on what you're talking about, because like if you're
saying the pharmaceutical drug companies no the way to make
the kind of money that they like to make, you
gotta do some shenanigans. You gotta gotta do someigans. You
got to mandate medications, and you got to brainwash people
into thinking that they should be on your side and
that if and then get them scared and say that

(01:50:35):
if we don't take this medication, it could be literally
the end of civilization, like whatever it is, Like, come
up with whatever. Fucking people are gonna die, Your kids
are gonna die, everyone's gonna be born retarded. You just
find a way to get people to believe, and they'll
just all climb on board. They'll all climb on board
because a lot of people are cowards, and that's that's

(01:50:55):
what happens in this world. And that's where it gets
really weird because then they have an enormous amount of money,
an enormous amount of influence, and then they start paying
for the ads on all the TV shows brought to
you by Fizer, and thats exactly that makes them look legit.
It makes the TV show look legit, and you're watching
publicly an evil union' It's an evil union between the

(01:51:21):
truth and money where money always wins, and money will
distort the truth and they're allowed to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
It's crazy because when I was growing up in New York,
I got bamboozled once fo one hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
I was at the Roosevelt Field Mall and I was
leaving and there was this dude and he was holding
a brand new box with a VCR and he's like
trying to sell it. I was like how much and
he's like one hundred dollars And I was like, hey, man,
could I see it first before I If you're one

(01:52:00):
hundred dollars, He's like no, If I open rip away
the plastic and open this box and you don't buy it,
then the next person who comes won't buy it because
they won't it won't be new. And I was like,
this is a deal, brick. I gave him a hundred dollars,
got on the bus, didn't even have a car, got

(01:52:20):
on the bus, drove home, opened the brick, open paper,
then brick. But that one hundred dollars saved me so much, Yes,
because I always like I was just always on a
swivel looking out for like where is the trick? And

(01:52:41):
then sometimes I just wouldn't do something if I didn't
even see the trick because I was like that, as
there's something here. But then the Iraq War was like
my version of the VCR, like recently, like that ship
that they got me.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
They New York though you were in New York when
September level happened, right, Yeah, I was in New York. Yeah,
that's the thing I was. I saw it on TV
from the West Coast. But the people that were there,
I think it hit you a lot of even harder. Yeah,
I mean it has to have hit you way harder.
If I felt it when I went back there, which
was like a few months later, I felt it. Yeah,

(01:53:18):
it felt different.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
Yeah, that shit. Like I was, I was living in
LA but I was visiting, Oh, and I was so
homesick for New York. When I'd go back to New
York back then, I'd stay awhile, you know. And then
the night before the Trade Center went down, you know,
Will sel Vince, he was living in Jersey City, and

(01:53:43):
I used to live in that apartment in Jersey City.
So then he's like, I'm gonna have some people over.
So I took the train and took the World Trade
Center the train, the path train. And it's funny because
back then when I was living here and going to
New York, I let me look around, like I missed
this place. Let me there's so much shit that I
didn't pay attention to before. And so I was in

(01:54:04):
the World Trade Center the day before it went down,
like like damn, I didn't even notice how great this
ceiling was and how much detail they put into shit.
And I got on the train, went to Will's crib,
and then I got a ride home that night. So
next morning, my sister woke me up and I'm like
watching the first tower with a plane sticking out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
And then I was like I was yesterday share and
then I'm watching I was like that ain't another plane.
As I did it, and then I almost hit under
the bed.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
How far away were you? Miles wise?

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
I was in Long Island, so fifty fifty like an
hour drive.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
Yeah, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
Just like, I was like, we're under attack, and you're like,
I don't know where the attacks are coming from. And
I don't normally feel like a coward, but I was
like something where they gonna attack next, you know. So
it was just that type of a vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:55:07):
But I'm worried that another one of those is coming.
And the danger of that is obviously people are gonna die,
and obviously it could be horrific if something does happen,
if a terrorist attack does happen. But the one thing
it'll wake people up to, like what the consequences of

(01:55:29):
what we do overseas? It means something here. It's not
just it's not just a video on your phone. People
are dying and we are funding it. And there's there's
real evil in the world. Evils a real thing. You
could not believe in the devil and you cannot believe
in God, but evil actions are documented for out throughout history,

(01:55:54):
and there's only one way to combat evil. You know,
you you have to you have to have a strong
force of good. But that good has to be really good,
it has to actually be good. And if it's pretending
to be good and it's actually participating in evil, and
then you you find out about it and you're like, well,
what the fuck this was? Like? In nineteen thirty three,

(01:56:15):
this guy, Smedley Butler, Major General Smedley Butler. He wrote
a book called War as a Racket in nineteen thirty three,
early nineteen thirty three. That's pretty and he broke down
how he thought he was over here to protect people,
but he was really there to make, you know, make
it safe for bankers, or do whatever the fuck he

(01:56:35):
had to do, control oil and control whatever minerals or
gold or whatever the hell they were doing. But he
realized at the end of his career, War as a racket. Yeah,
and this is thirty three. Man. They tried to get
him to overthrow the government, the American government. They tried
to get They tried to get him to participate in
a military coup against the government.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Who was in charge. Back then.

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
We just went the other day, right, Jamie'll pull it up.
It was before our time, So this is I think
this happened prior to that. So thirty two maybe something
like that Joe Wilson's hit some old timey shit. They
just bro. They just got away with things back then,
and now they have to hide it on layers and

(01:57:20):
layers and layers of special interest groups and NGOs and
money being flowed around, and it's just it's all bullshit,
and it's that bullshit is all over the news, and
everyone's confused, and everyone thinks it's the good guys versus
the bad guys. And the more people get scared, the

(01:57:42):
more people start looking for white hats and black hats.

Speaker 1 (01:57:44):
And confusion is the greatest weapon.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
So here it is thirty three the United States. Okay,
the business plot called the Wall Street pusch was the
White House push? Is that push?

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
Push? You said, right? Because it push it's a German
word because they they had putches in Germany.

Speaker 3 (01:58:01):
So it was conspiracy in thirty three in the United
States to overthrow the government of the President of Franklin D.
Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator. A retired Military
Corps major general testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were
plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as
its leader and use it as accouted toad to overthrow Roosevelt.

(01:58:21):
So they almost overthrew rus. Imagine if he went along
with that. In thirty four, Butler testified under oath before
the United States House of Representative Special Committee on Unamerican
Activities on these revelations. Although no one was prosecuted, the
Congression was prosecuted. That's wild. Typically even back then, they're
full ship those ninety years ago. The Congressional Committee final

(01:58:43):
report said, there is no question that these attempts were discussed,
were planned, and might have been placed in execution when
and if the financial backers deemed it expedient. Motherfuckers. I mean,
these motherfuckers have been dirty from the jail. I mean
dirty from day one. Yeah, dirty from day one. Smedley,
God bless him. With that face.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
I wouldn't trust him, but he's more trustworthy than his face.
He had cash metell eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
You probably need glasses, shitty glasses.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
Glass, cash, cash, Like do something to look more believable
when you're telling.

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
And you're doing that, it's a problem. Like imagine that job,
like you said, I'm gonna uncover the truth and you
get into office and they're like, this is where your
kids sleep, mom lives, this is yeah, yeah, it's cold,
it's cold, Like you realize how deep the web runs,

(01:59:46):
and how the web is going to be there after
you're gone. You're going to be here for four years,
you know, while this guy is the president. As soon
as he's out, once we take over again.

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
Yeah, you have to promise to promise of something better
from either party because both of them and ship yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:00):
Yeah, and you can only switch parties once. Yeah, back
and forth and back and forth. Nobody has people have switched.
They've gone from Democrat to Republican, and I think have
people gone from Republican a Democrat? I believe.

Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
So if you're a politician or just if you're like
a regular citizen.

Speaker 3 (02:00:20):
No, as a citizen, you can go back and forth
all you want. You can be a fucking complete schizophrenic
and do it every month. I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
Someone who does that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:30):
Because if you're a public person, though, can you switch sides?
You can only switch sides once.

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
If you're a politician.

Speaker 3 (02:00:37):
Yeah, But it's weird when people do, because they don't
just switch sides with like who they vote for. They
switch their whole ideology. And it's usually like what I
see recently, it's from a liberal to they get red
pilled and then they become a conservative but then they
go all in and conservative like, and they go hard.

(02:00:59):
They like they might even go to the point of
why is why is gay marriage real? You know, they
might get crazy right right, and then it's hard to
take them seriously because now you made a one hundred
and eighty degree shift when you're in your forties, really
you changed everything you believe in.

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
I think you have to prove so hard to people
that's been Republicans that you're a Republicans, that you go overboard.
You gotta go hard, you gotta go hard. It's like
like I grew up in Long Island. Have some hard
pockets of hardcore offuckers there, but they were trying to
be Brooklyn, but they're not in Brooklyn. They ain't gonna
get the respect of Brooklyn. You ain't gonna get the
respect the Bronx to Long Island. So it's like we

(02:01:36):
got a while out down here, like we gotta go hard.
And so at the place like wine Dance, Like you
don't want to go to wine dance. Wine Dance, Yeah,
wine wine Dance. It just I've never even heard of it. Yeah,
it's tough down there. Some raps, some good rappers came
out of wine dance too.

Speaker 3 (02:01:54):
Well, we thanking came out of Staten Island, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:01:56):
Yeah yeah right yeah, Staten Island was wild too.

Speaker 3 (02:01:59):
Yeah. It's just like you don't think of Staten Island
as being the birthplace of the greatest rap group of
all time.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
True, but they had the credit of being a borough
like Long Islands. That's that's like Queens Brooklyn, Bronx, Staten Island.

Speaker 3 (02:02:14):
Long Island is like what are you suburbs? You're the suburbs, suburbs.

Speaker 1 (02:02:18):
But they're like, no, no, we get down, we get down.

Speaker 3 (02:02:21):
They got a good pizza, Like, shut up, the same
your non borrow. It's true, it's different, right, I think
it is different. Is it considered a borough officially?

Speaker 1 (02:02:31):
No, it's not. It's not like you grew up in Boston,
Like like were you in Boston, Boston? And if you were,
what about the parts outside of Boston that felt left
out of the notoriety, right, Like like they weren't getting
the street cred. They had zero street cred, right, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:02:52):
That's hilarious Framingham outside of Boston.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
Yeah, but you want to be like if they go somewhere, yeah,
they stay it from Boston. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
The regular Boston people will get mad at you. They'll
call you out.

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
You're from Woolburn, yeah, exactly. Are you talking about New
York is like that too, Like I'm from New.

Speaker 3 (02:03:13):
York part part yes, Westchester.

Speaker 1 (02:03:16):
Yeah, you're not going to pass the second part of
the where you're from exactly?

Speaker 3 (02:03:20):
And that's when unless you say right off the bat,
you know, I'm from Queens right, like, oh, okay, yeah,
that's real.

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
There's no second question once you say Queen.

Speaker 3 (02:03:30):
Yeah, I'm from the Bronx. Oh okay, yeah, she's Jenny
from the Bronx.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
Yeah. It's always you know what if you're trying to
lie just to name, like you said, name the part
you're from, like where you're from, But if you say
New York, that's when she is suspect Sarasota.

Speaker 3 (02:03:47):
Sarasota, I'm from Albany.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:03:51):
Yeah. I used to think it was all one place
there is living in Boston. I didn't know. It's like, so,
what is the difference in these burroughs, Like oh, you
want to two one two area code? You do? Like,
why why do you care? I remember that was a
big thing about LA Like that was one of the
things about Brodie Stevens eight one eight till I die,

(02:04:11):
like you, when you lived in the valley, you had
an eight one eight area code and people look down
at you. Yeah, people would make jokes about it. I
don't date people that aren't three one oh or two
one three.

Speaker 1 (02:04:21):
Yeah. I mean that's why Brody was funny because he
stood on his He stood.

Speaker 3 (02:04:28):
On eight eight. He's stood on the valley.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
He stood on the boy. Nobody nobody rapped for the valley.
You do like I do. I say I'm from New York,
I'm from LA. He didn't say I'm from LA. He
said I'm from Reseda. He named the town, named the
aerial code of his phone number, and like stood on
that shit, like for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
You know, dude, I never even tried to live in La. Yeah.
The moment I moved there, I was like, uh uh,
I'm not doing this. I gotta get outside of this thing.
I gotta get outside of this thing and then go visity.
I don't live in that thing because I had friends
that like lived like in West Hollywood, Like my friend
Eddie lived like in West Hollywood, like right in the
heat of everything. And I was like, damn, dude, I

(02:05:09):
like being like right where everything is like yeah, but
this is also right where everything is like how do
you sleep?

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
That's that's what it felt like. That's what you You
moved to Hollywood to be in Hollywood, to become a part.
That's that's that was the thinking. Yeah, so even like
got known you, even you saying you never lived there,
that's a shock to me.

Speaker 3 (02:05:29):
Yeah. My thinking was the opposite. I think it was like,
I gotta get outside of this thing. Damn well. I
found out. I lived in Bell Canyon for a while,
and one of the things, it's thirty miles outside of
La That's where I lived most of the time I
was in La Yeah. Yeah, I bought a house out
there in ninety seven. Yeah, Like when I first started

(02:05:50):
making money, I'm like, I gotta get away from all
these people. I wanted to be in like wilderness. First
of all, I have dogs. I needed a backyard. So
I lived in Encino for a little while, into the
house in Encino, but that was too close to and
Sino was still too close. Yeah, I was like, I
gotta get out, I gotta get away. I gotta get
I wanted to go to Thousand Oaks. I want to

(02:06:10):
go way out. I wanted to go where regular people live,
where you can just fucking take a breath. Like I
never liked like the party's Hollywood parties. I was like,
every time I go, I feel like just it just
felt like I wanted to run out of there, like
get me out of here, like this is no one's relaxed,
everyone's this is fake and weird. I was like, I

(02:06:34):
need I need to live outside of this thing and
then go visit.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
It and go visit. Yeah, I was in it. I
lived in Hollywood, but it was in the cut. It
was like Ivar if you go up at the bottom
of the hills and it's quiet, it's pretty, and then
then you come out right. But it was I was like, oh,
I like this, but on the flats, like like in Hollywood. Hollywood.

(02:07:03):
Like I get what you're saying, but I did feel
like I needed to be near it.

Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
Yeah. No, I get the under I get the wanting
to be near it, And I thought about it for
a while, but I just know me like I need downtime.
I go hard, and when I go hard, I need
like off time. I need like completely off, sit down,
relax and think about shit, because I need to know
what I think. And the only way I know what

(02:07:29):
I think is if there's not a lot of noise
going on. I can't just operate on momentum. I feel
like when you operate on momentum all the time, you
make shit decisions, right, you know, you just you start
like going down roads you shouldn't be going down. You're like,
what am I doing? What the fuck am I doing
with my life?

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
So did you? Did you plot your life out a lot?
In a sense?

Speaker 3 (02:07:47):
No, I'm just like I just like, go on instinct.
My instinct was like get away from everybody, right, Like,
go quiet. I want to just wake up in the morning,
have coffee on the porch and just to hear birds
chirping and see, you know, see a fucking deer bounce by.
Like that's what I like. I like to relax.

Speaker 1 (02:08:01):
That's some cool shit.

Speaker 3 (02:08:02):
Yeah you have to. If I'm in Manhattan, fuck you,
I'm like, I don't feel relaxed, right, this is a
place for me to visit it, But it's just my personality,
like whatever it is with me. Like even when I
lived in New York, I live I couldn't afford an
apartment that had a rental I couldn't afford a rental
car space, but I needed a car for the road, right,

(02:08:24):
Because I took the total opposite approach of you, I
did not do the clubs in the city very often.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
That's where I met you.

Speaker 3 (02:08:31):
Yeah, now I still did some of them, but most
of the road is mostly the road is what I did.
So I did a lot of gigs in Long Island
and a lot of gigs in New Jersey because that
paid real money and I could do an hour. You know.
I was like, I could get better in the city,
but I'm getting better in these five and ten minute spots,
like I need time. I need like real time to

(02:08:51):
put together an act. Because when you're in Boston, you
always went on the road. Everybody did the road. So
it didn't make sense to me to be like just
doing one ten minute spot and another ten minute spot,
like I can't.

Speaker 1 (02:09:03):
I thought the opposite. This is why. So I was
doing all those shows that you were doing, like the
for the for the hour, for the feature. First I
started hosting, but then I was like, I need to
get on TV so that I can get on the road. Yeah,
and then people book me and then come see me.
So then I said, let me go to Manhattan, which

(02:09:25):
takes me out of the hour situation. But in these
fifteen minute spots build people see me. Put you on
this TV show, Put you on that TV show, and
like as a stand up as you know, like you know,
like the improv or whatever like stand up show that
they were having. And because back then it's like a
few late night show appearances and then boom, then you

(02:09:48):
could be on the road. So I went that route
and that was my mentality for probably way after the
shit changed.

Speaker 3 (02:09:56):
Oh you kept you hang hung onto it too long?

Speaker 1 (02:09:58):
Yeah, even living in La. Yeah, I remember this is
this is. I was with Kevin Hart, right, he just
moved to LA and I wrote on his sitcom The
Big House. And then he's booking. He's a good actor,
like and when he walks like I've helped him audition before,

(02:10:20):
but I ain't really help him audition. He'd just be
like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and
he wouldn't say all the words, but he would nail
the feeling of the shit. It's like you don't have
to remember everything, and it's like it was an eye
opening experience. And then but then he said I want
to be on the road like Kat Williams. I'm like,
why do you want to do that? Get another TV
show and then then the fame of the TV show

(02:10:46):
will get you on the road. Thank god that nigga
didn't listen to me. He went on the road. He's
doing like fifteen hundred dollars, you know the you know
the route to build and collecting emails.

Speaker 3 (02:11:00):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:11:00):
And if they complete opposite and Kevin hearts Kevin Hart.

Speaker 3 (02:11:05):
Yeah. Well he was always very smart about the social
media thing and treated like a separate business because, like
I remember, there was a story about someone wanted access
to his social media to promote a project they were doing.
It was like, no, that's a totally different deal. Like
you got one deal, you got Kevin Hart to act
in your movie. Another deal, you get access to Kevin

(02:11:25):
Hart's Instagram. Like I built this, this is my business,
and if you want to do that, we can talk.
But it's this is not the same deal. And I
was like, oh okay, because they did that to a
lot of people. They did that to our Senio. I
remember Arsenio Hall was at the Ice House and remember
he had the Arsenio Hall Show came back. So when
it came back, they took over his social media. That

(02:11:48):
was part of the deal, and they didn't give it
back to him. Well, this is yes, and it is
a long time afterwards, like months and months and months afterwards.
We were hanging out at the ice House and he's like,
I can't get my social media back.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
I'm like and he felt that from being on The Apprentice.

Speaker 3 (02:12:03):
Also the original Hall show, yeah, which was an iconic show.
I mean he did everything, he did stand up, I
mean Ardennial Hall was in movies. And they took his
fucking social media.

Speaker 1 (02:12:16):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:12:16):
Yeah, it's crazy, but that was they were trying to
make deals like that. When I was doing that show,
Joe Rogan questions everything they wanted to do that that
was going to be a part of the deal. They
take over my social media.

Speaker 1 (02:12:28):
And ye, what year was.

Speaker 3 (02:12:29):
That, twenty twelve?

Speaker 1 (02:12:32):
Maybe, yeah, you had you had a strong It.

Speaker 3 (02:12:34):
Was okay, it was nothing like, not as big as
it is now, but it was big enough that I
was like, fuck, it's bigger than you.

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
Yeah it was. It was bigger than I mean a
big yeah, no, no, but it was big.

Speaker 3 (02:12:45):
It was big.

Speaker 1 (02:12:45):
For then, For then, I think it was.

Speaker 3 (02:12:47):
It was pretty big. But my point is, like for me,
when they were saying to me, I'm like, my show,
my social media presence is bigger than you. You have
a network, Your network social media is not nearly as
big as my my one person social Why would I
do that? Why would I let you have access to it?
And they wanted to be able to promote their other
shows by social media.

Speaker 1 (02:13:06):
And then just dilute it and turn it into something
that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:13:09):
Not only that they could write on it whatever they
wanted to whatever they and they said, other artists aren't
having a problem, that's doing this. It was like their argument.
There was like a hang up in the deal. And
I was like, I'm so fuckolutely not like if I
post something, even if it sucks, I want people to
know that came out of my fat little thumbs, Like
I wrote that. That's it. Whether you like it or

(02:13:29):
you hate it, know that it came from me. And
when they did that, I was like, oh, so how
many people have been doing this? And it was a
bunch of my friends. How to sign off deals like that,
It was part of the deal. If you wanted to
do this new show you had to give them access
to your social media, not just access control of your
social media.

Speaker 1 (02:13:45):
That is wild. That's that into perpetuity type shit that
we put in contracts when you do like a stand
up set on something like what do you plan on
doing this material? And then they say they actually mentioned
base and planets, don't they in those contracts.

Speaker 3 (02:14:04):
There's some contracts like that, and.

Speaker 1 (02:14:06):
Then you're like, WHOA, what the fuck do you know that?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:14:10):
I read about a contract. I don't know if this
is true, some sort of a scientology contract that is
like into infinity to the end of the universe. Wow,
talk about covering your basic not even until you die,
like until time runs out.

Speaker 5 (02:14:29):
Billion in your commitments Sea Org here it is, oh wow.

Speaker 3 (02:14:34):
A symbolic billion year commitment which functions as a perpetual
contract with no expiration date. While other staff members sign
employment contracts at varying lengths, sometimes short term is just
two point five years, but potentially extending to five years
or more. And these agreements maybe disguised as volunteer or
religious worker contracts to avoid labor laws. So the Sea Org,

(02:14:57):
if I think click on Sea, I think he.

Speaker 1 (02:15:00):
Can pay you a week nothing, just to sign off
on that nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:15:06):
You're getting nothing and you're happy. You just can't believe
you're a part of the sea.

Speaker 1 (02:15:09):
Org I'm gonna be in the sea work. That's wild,
bro wild, billion year contract. Yeah, that's that's wild.

Speaker 3 (02:15:16):
Well, they you know, people have been doing that, taking
advantage of young artists in particular for it ever, like
that's why Prince had changed his name to a symbol, right,
you know, that's they've been doing that to people forever.
Jared Letto is going through that ship, right, you know,
he went through that ship with his band. It's just
there's always going to be a business that takes advantage

(02:15:39):
of you and makes it look like it's not a
big deal.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
Like, uh, Spotify, Like I know this is Spotify, but
there's a lot of beef about Spotify right now.

Speaker 3 (02:15:50):
What's the big beef?

Speaker 1 (02:15:52):
Just artists ain't getting paid.

Speaker 3 (02:15:53):
Yeah, the people will get paid to the people that
own the records unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah, that's the that's the
If you own your label or you own your catalog,
then you get paid. It's just what contracts did you say?
That's the thing is like, if you're an upcoming artist
today and you're listening to this. Do you need a
record label? You don't really need a Why do you

(02:16:16):
No one's buying records?

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
How do you how do you get your ship played
outside of Like it's easy to avoid a label, right, right,
but how do you get your ship heard?

Speaker 3 (02:16:31):
Like? What has to go viral? So it has to
be undeniable.

Speaker 1 (02:16:36):
Is anything really going viral? Or is it artificial virus?
Artificial viral?

Speaker 3 (02:16:41):
Like we're both both things are happening. Yeah, there's definitely
real still real viral, but there's a lot of artificial viral.
And that's what a record company can do for you.
It can make you go artificial viral, and they it
will go viral if you're good. But it's like they
can juice it up to a point. But what is
the cost they want? Like they want some insane amount

(02:17:02):
of money from your touring. You're touring, Yeah, you're touring
and doing live performances. They don't even sing a word
and they get paid.

Speaker 1 (02:17:11):
And that's where like artists used to getripped off in
their deals. But they used to make money touring, right,
but then they cut into the touring now.

Speaker 3 (02:17:23):
Well because they weren't making any money selling records.

Speaker 1 (02:17:25):
Anymore because who was making the money.

Speaker 3 (02:17:27):
Well, the thing is like nobody was for a long time, right,
it was just streaming, but then there was like Apple
streaming and Apple you were happened to Spotify ate them up. Yeah,
they just nobody buys music on Apple anymore. I mean
I used to listen to before I signed my Spotify deal,
everything was Apple Music. Yeah, And for the longest time

(02:17:49):
I wasn't even using Spotify, and then once I started using,
I was like, oh this is better. Now's it? I
get it. If you're an artist and you're like, you're
not getting paid, like, I get it. I don't know
what to say. I don't know why you signed that deal.
I don't know what the circumstances were. I don't know
how those deals are even legal.

Speaker 1 (02:18:06):
Yeah, I don't know how if like I got like
my Specialist coming out on YouTube, so I got there's
a way for comics to do it without signing a
big deal, yes, or signing everything away, giving it over
to somebody for less than your showed it, or even
if it pays a legit amount, it's not for a billion,

(02:18:31):
you can keep it. But I don't know if you're
a musician, Like, what way you can get your shit hurt?

Speaker 3 (02:18:39):
You got to put it out like that. You got
to put it out on YouTube, put it out on
social media. Someone has to retweet it, someone has to
hear about it, talk about it on a podcast. You
can get it out, you know. We were talking about
it's a little late. We were talking about that Johnny
thundersong I'm Alive. We played it yesterday and then Jamie

(02:18:59):
brought up that after we first started playing it on
the podcast, like two years ago song from nineteen sixty nine,
there was like a lost song and Brian Simpson brought
it to the Mothership and he's like, this is gonna
be like one of your favorite songs. You gotta listen
to this. And we played it in the green room
and I was like holy shit, And we had to
figure out that it was from nineteen sixty nine, Like

(02:19:19):
when was this? Like who was this guy? Like what
is the deal? The dude back then apparently was still
alive and he died like a year later, So he
might have died knowing that his song had started to
become big again, because then it started appearing in commercials.
It was in a bunch of commercials. What are the
commercials again, Samsung, Lincoln Mountain Dude commercials. I don't think so.

(02:19:43):
He was only he only had this one song that
was amazing.

Speaker 5 (02:19:47):
Yell, that's what I was looking at up yesterday. He
actually had a Billboard Billboard hit before that.

Speaker 3 (02:19:52):
What was that one? Uh? Loopdi loop? Was it good?
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (02:19:56):
I was gonna play it yesterday. But play it.

Speaker 3 (02:19:58):
Let's play it, I say, loo loop, Let's look to it.
But the point is like he should have been a star.
He should have been I say, Johnny Thunder and you're like, oh,
I love that, dude. The second album is amazing, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:20:09):
It should have been at least jolly little twist. Tuffy
Checker got so much mileage off the twitt twist. I've
never seen somebody get that much mileage.

Speaker 3 (02:20:23):
Edit this out, Yeah, we'll edit it out all right,
kill us. It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (02:20:28):
Now play he looked like to dude, that was Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 3 (02:20:35):
Play I'm alive. This This is the fucking jam Son
this song. I listen to this song all the time.
This is on regular playback.

Speaker 1 (02:20:46):
Yeah, first of all, he looks like a deaf jam comic.
That's number one, Like or even like like an senior
hall like back in the days, like is this Jamie?

Speaker 5 (02:21:01):
This one was sixty nine wawn. And then I also
read that he had been performing with the Drifters and
did the backup vocals I think for like Deon Warwick
or something like.

Speaker 3 (02:21:11):
That song, to me is just proof that there's a
lot of factors involved in making it, because that guy
should have been a fucking superstar. That is a superstar song.

Speaker 1 (02:21:21):
Yeah, because I'm listening to it just the opening, Yeah,
I was like, let's stop there, let's stopped there and
take that in for a second, and then it switched.
I wasn't even ready for the switch, but I was like,
let me go, let me go with this, and.

Speaker 3 (02:21:38):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (02:21:39):
Then I could see it in like the beginning or
the end of so many TV shows, right like, oh yeah,
this is.

Speaker 5 (02:21:45):
Just the guy that wrote that song, Tommy James, and
performed it and recorded a year after that.

Speaker 3 (02:21:50):
Wow, let me just listened to James. He's sang money money.
That was another song that like, that was a famous
song that what's his face? The guy with the hair,
God damn it. Billy Idol. Billy Idol came out with

(02:22:11):
Lady one Wow, which also seems like a million years ago.
That was when I was in high school. How weird, man,
I know, all weird.

Speaker 1 (02:22:23):
When he when Loop T Loop was a hit and
then he made the other song it wasn't a hit.
I know he was pissed.

Speaker 3 (02:22:28):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:22:28):
Can you imagine, imagine that's what you'll like?

Speaker 3 (02:22:32):
Loo T Loop.

Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
You all ain't heard alive. This is I listened to
their live ship.

Speaker 3 (02:22:38):
It's all right. Times people just put it all together
for one so. I mean that's the thing about songs, right,
like the one hit wonder thing.

Speaker 5 (02:22:44):
It's a different time. I mean it was the early sixties.
They're coming home before the drugs radio.

Speaker 3 (02:22:49):
You know, the early sixties people were still naive. They
were goofy. Yeah, they were still fathering those best Leave
it to Beaver. They were goofy. People were goofy and
sixty three, by sixty nine they got wild. It was
real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:23:04):
I wonder what people with internet mind back then did,
or people with internet my Internet mentality. How did they
mask in society? How did they Comic books? They read a.

Speaker 3 (02:23:20):
Lot of comic books. Yeah, they went to comic book shops.
They went to like punk rock concerts. Yeah. Yeah, they
had like fine grew they went to CBGB's, they had
to fine places where they could fit in.

Speaker 1 (02:23:32):
There's no online forum.

Speaker 3 (02:23:33):
No, No, it was a factory for turning people into drones.
That was society back then. Turn you into a worker drone.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
Yeah, yeah, because school already trains us for it.

Speaker 3 (02:23:47):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:23:48):
Like every the bell rings, you get up, you go
to the next class and gets.

Speaker 3 (02:23:51):
Designed for that. Yeah, it's not the best way to
teach kids and guys like you and I, they label
you as like ADHD or something, right, Yeah, yeah, you
got labeled.

Speaker 1 (02:23:59):
I didn't get labeled because I don't know why. I
kind of like my father and them was like, you know,
they're immigrants. They're like, so you gotta work hard, you
know what I mean, So you gotta like apply yourself.
And this is a they went out of their way
to provide this opportunity. So I didn't want to blow

(02:24:20):
it up to a certain point. But after a certain point,
like I was gonna do comedy, which was something that
they didn't expect or would have wanted me to do.
But high school in college, like I didn't mind, you
know what I mean, maybe around college that's when shit
started to get like a little wonky. But the high

(02:24:42):
school shit like, I can get some good grades, that's
I can follow that blueprint up until they're and a
little bit after. But then in college that's when shit.

Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
Like, well, then they're prepping you for the real world
and you realize it's going to be your whole day
doing shit you don't want to do. And there's no
joy in Mudville fuck right, unless you're into it. Unless
like college is like whatever subject that you want to
pursue in life is that's the way to go. You know,
if you want to be an astronomer, that's how you learn,
you know. But for for comic like, college is just

(02:25:13):
like why why am I forced to do this? Like
why am I making myself do this? Like what is
the end goal? If I get a job? I'm fucked right.

Speaker 1 (02:25:22):
I knew that I always wanted to, like have make
a decent amount of money and be middle class. That
was the So you got to go to college, right
to do that. That's that's the way we were programmed, right,
But the instant comedy came into my mind. It was
never a risk for me, Like I was never risking

(02:25:43):
that stability for the gamble of comedy.

Speaker 3 (02:25:49):
What did it feel like instead of a risk the
only thing to do? Yeah, I know what you mean.

Speaker 1 (02:25:57):
Like this, there was a switch I want she turned
it on. That shit was broken, couldn't go back the
other way, and this is what we was doing.

Speaker 3 (02:26:05):
Yeah, that's kind of how you have to be if
you want to do it. I think that's the same
with music. I think that's the same with literature. You
want to write books.

Speaker 1 (02:26:14):
You feel lucky about it, though, Yeah, for sure, because
there's people that were able to turn their switch back off.
Mine is still one.

Speaker 3 (02:26:28):
Well, that's because you're doing the right thing. You're doing
the thing that you're supposed to be doing right when
people there's there's people that turn that switch off because
there's something else drags them in or they can't beat
their demons, right. You know, there's a lot of people
that there's a lot of different There's some demons are
like they're not even dark demons, they're like gray demons,

(02:26:49):
like depression. You can't be the demon of a dull depression.
They don't they don't have the energy to write, they
don't have the energy to perform, they don't have the
energy to eat, healthy, they don't have the energy to
do ship, and then they just settle into a mundane
life because they can't beat those demons. And they also
don't have support. There's a lot of those dudes that
get real dark because they don't have support. They're not friends.

Speaker 1 (02:27:13):
I listen and I and I feel I don't. I
feel bad for those people. I don't. I don't know.
We don't even know what happened to this guy who
we just played, like what right, what went wrong? What
went wrong? What retarred him, what took him off track?
But he clearly had something. I've seen people with something,
and I like, I remember, damn, I don't know if

(02:27:35):
I can remember his name. We're all doing open mics,
like we're grinding, we're bombing. Then this guy comes in
one night and he's at the Governors. He goes on stage.
He's our age. He rips, I mean, well like even worldlide, Wow,

(02:27:55):
hey man, what's your name? Tells us his name might
come to me? And I said, how many how long
you been doing it? This is my first time. And
then it was like that every time he went on
stage and we hung out with him, and it was
just we're like this guy. It's like, we'll please for

(02:28:17):
him and we're as big as fans and we're angry
at him at the same time, and then he just disappeared.

Speaker 3 (02:28:24):
Yeah Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:28:27):
Then I ran into him a queens and he was
kind of doing it, but it wasn't the same like
the Muhammad Ali thing. He stopped training for enough years, yeah,
to like lose it all, to not even be as
good as the first time we saw him, which was
his first time.

Speaker 3 (02:28:46):
One of the reasons why I talk about the way
I approach things is because I think I wish someone
had told me the little pitfalls that life will throw you,
and the little games that will be played in front
of you where you have to make decisions of which

(02:29:07):
way to go and if something went wrong, you got
to make decision to pull yourself up and figure out
how to make it better. Like what do I have
to do to keep going? But clearly I'm on a path.
Other people are doing this path. I got to figure
out how to do this. Some people just get to
those pitfalls and then they never recover. They just they
just they start drinking, they start eating too much, they

(02:29:28):
start doing this, they start doing that, they get into
a bad funk, they lose some money, they get into
a toxic relationship. That's a big one. That's a big one.
That's one of the big distractions that people do and
they don't even realize they're doing it. You're distracting yourself
from having success in life by being addicted to this
relationship that you're with this person where you yell at
each other and you know, who knows, who knows what

(02:29:50):
your particular brand of chaos is, but the one thing
that has in common, it's a gigantic distraction from you
doing what you want to do in life. And you
don't have your shit together, so you find someone else
who doesn't have your shit together, and you pile all
your shit together and make it way worse, and you
both fuck each other's lives up. And at the end
of it, maybe you want to you write a song
about it.

Speaker 1 (02:30:11):
But that's when it's worth it. Like when you're talking
about bad relationships, like shit, that's material.

Speaker 3 (02:30:17):
It is material. It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (02:30:19):
I never go on a bad date because if the
date is good, is good. If it's bad, then it's material,
you know what I mean. So comics complain about dates.
I'm like that's an experience. That's some ship you could
bring to the stage, right, Like, why are you down
about this?

Speaker 3 (02:30:36):
How many times if someone told you a crazy story
like in the green room or something like that, You're like,
have you said that on stage yet? Yeah? Like no,
can I tell? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:30:44):
I tell people all the time like that is Like
sometimes my friend he just broke up with his girl.
He's sad, he's talking about it. I'm like, damn, this
nigga don't know how funny's about to be. And he's
crying cry, and like.

Speaker 3 (02:31:02):
Some of the greatest comedy came out of broken hearts.
Look at Kennison, I was married. This whole thing, this
whole thing was like just getting his heart broken. One
of his best bits was he sat at the piano
and sang a love song to his ex. It's like,
I hope you die, hope you slide under a gas
truck and taste your own blood. God, I want my

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records back.

Speaker 1 (02:31:26):
I want my fucking records back.

Speaker 3 (02:31:32):
You looked at it, you just believed it all because like,
of course he's a little fat guy with no hair.
People are gonna dump on it. It's not gonna work out.
Even if you're famous and you look like that, he's
gonna they're gonna get tired of you.

Speaker 1 (02:31:46):
He's a walking underdog story walking down underdogs went out
explaining it and turning that ship into something. How do
you not gravitate towards that? Like every heartbreak that I've
experienced underneath in me, I'm like, man, don't worry. Once
this cloud lifts, wait, you'll be able to talk about

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this on stage like that. That's a part of like survival.
That's how far gone in this I am. And I'm
just realizing it now as I talk to you.

Speaker 3 (02:32:22):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (02:32:22):
Yeah, that's how it's like, uh yeah, it's like trying
to think of like when Badge, like I got into
somebody hit my car and I was like, this is
going on stage or just anything, just like sometimes I'm
when I I don't have that many civilian friends anymore,

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but sometimes I used to just complain on the phone
about an interaction.

Speaker 3 (02:32:47):
You know what's funny, Like military people do not like
I was talking about noncomedians.

Speaker 1 (02:32:54):
Weary. I know I cannot military people.

Speaker 3 (02:33:00):
I get that, I get it, but that is the
term we have used forever, forever, forever.

Speaker 1 (02:33:04):
Forever, Like the first time I heard somebody say it,
I was like, how did you know that? I said,
I say that the first time I ever heard of
comic refer to other non comics and civilians. I was like,
that's what I say in my head. How the fuck
did you? And it's like nobody's stealing it from you, right, right, right,
But all our terms are related to battle, like a
bomb killed, you know, died, died, you know what I mean.

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So it's like we all got battle terms.

Speaker 3 (02:33:30):
Yeah, Well, because it is kind of a mental battle, right,
there's a weird battle of control, and there's always a
lot of drunk people in the audience that don't want
you taking control. They want to take control of you.
I mean John al Rollins got his start as a heckler,
John L. Rowlins, that's how he proudly He's like, I'm
a proud hecker's son. Really funny. But it's like, so

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it is kind of there's a battle too, and it's
also a battle of your own self. There's a battle
inside of you to try to, like what we were
talking about before, to get to that flow state, like
what is that battle? Yeah, there's some nights I don't
have it I don't. It doesn't come then other nights
it's right there. The moment I start talking, I'm smiling,
I'm in the groove, and it's.

Speaker 1 (02:34:11):
Like we do you have an inkling of it before?

Speaker 3 (02:34:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:34:16):
Did you do anything to get there?

Speaker 3 (02:34:17):
I always think about that. Generally it has to be
a day that I work out. Like for me, I
work out so much that if I don't work out,
I get a little just a little tense.

Speaker 1 (02:34:28):
First of all, your disrespectful shape, You're you're in shapeness.
It's disrespectful to me.

Speaker 3 (02:34:36):
You got to eat me if you want to get
Wait an el cat today, I cooked up some heart.
I cooked up some heart for lunch.

Speaker 1 (02:34:47):
Ship it's good for lunch.

Speaker 3 (02:34:49):
Yeah, that's what I eat. Elk cartuck it. That's that's
a big key man protein. Animal protein. It's very important
for if you want to keep going. The thing is
it's like way easier to keep going though than it
is to get going. Like if you're fifty eight and
you start working out now, like woo, that's hard. But

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if you're fifty eight and you've been working out for
for me like forty years, you know it's not. I
mean like hard for forty years more than that. It's fifteen,
so yeah, more than that. Like I probably started working
out when I started wrestling, so that was like fourteen.
Karate was around the same time, then taekwondo from fifteen on,

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so I've always worked out, right. It's like, so my
body just does. If I don't work out for a day,
my body's like, what's going on. I'm just trying to
get rid of this stuff. Like I don't want any anxiety,
I don't any tension. I want to blow it out.

Speaker 1 (02:35:46):
You probably like sleepwalk into the gym. You probably like
wake up some times like, oh shit, I worked out,
Yeah I got it. You press the button in for
the code and you was in there. You had no
fucking ideas well.

Speaker 3 (02:35:56):
That's why I like things that you can't sleep walk through,
Like if you're doing like heavy rounds on the bag,
Like you can't sleep walk through ten rounds in the bag.
When that seventh round comes around, you look at the timer,
You're like, fuck, I got three more rounds?

Speaker 1 (02:36:10):
You do ten?

Speaker 3 (02:36:11):
Yeah? Just got I mean I do it at my
own pace. It's not a ten of fighting, but it's
you know ten where you're you're going at it. And
it's but that's the point. The point is that when
it's done, I'm like, I fucking did it, and it's
really ten is only thirty minutes of work?

Speaker 1 (02:36:29):
Yeah, I know?

Speaker 3 (02:36:29):
Yeah fight, Yeah, this is ten three minute rounds when
I hit the bag. But like, think about an MMA fight,
it's five minute rounds. So that's crazy. That's crazy. And
another dude is trying to kill you. Yeah, for five minutes.

Speaker 1 (02:36:41):
And you're getting hit in that time, and.

Speaker 3 (02:36:43):
You're getting choked and body slammed, your arms getting yanked outeeze.
Then you have to recover. They got ice on your
shin in between rounds. Like fuck am I doing with
my life? I should have went to school.

Speaker 1 (02:36:56):
Yeah, that is a crazy mentality type of life.

Speaker 3 (02:36:58):
Bad. Bless them, God bless them. And they have to
be all in too, the way you're all in with
comedy and you always have been. They have to be
all in with fighting. And even then, there's no guarantee
because there might be a Mike Tyson in your division.
There might be a Sugar a Letter, there might be
a Floyd Mayweather. It might be a dude you're never
catching up to, like like Ash Crawford.

Speaker 1 (02:37:17):
Yeah, like I say, like, I don't know much about fighting,
and I've learned a lot from you. I remember we
did a show in I think Denver and there was
this female fighter. She came backstage and she was up
there and she just haven't had a kid and she's

(02:37:38):
still gonna fight. But she's like, there's other things to life.
I'm gonna like raise my son and blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah. And then once she said there's
other things to life, and I was like, here in
my just in my head, and you're a fighter, and
just the way she said it and some other things,
I said, she shouldn't fight no more. And I watched

(02:37:58):
all her fights after that, and she might have.

Speaker 3 (02:38:01):
Won one, but yeah, she yeah, she didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:38:04):
She didn't and she I can't remember her name per se,
but I just remember her saying that.

Speaker 3 (02:38:10):
You're the king of that leave us with mysteries welcome.
I'm out that dude. Yeah, he said, it's the best
fighter ever there they're scouring right now.

Speaker 1 (02:38:20):
Yeah, somebody to come up with that.

Speaker 3 (02:38:22):
Yeah, it's a thing that you have to You have
to either want to be a world champion, you have
to want to be the best in the world, or
you have to be willing to accept that you're a journeyman.
And if you're willing to accept, you're just doing it
for a paycheck. It's a crazy way to make a living.
But there are a lot of guys out there that
they get to a point where they realize, I'm never
going to be championed, but I'm still gonna make a
lot of money, right and I'm still going to have

(02:38:44):
some good fights. As long as I don't have to
fight any world champions, I can be successful sixty percent
of the time, maybe seven if you're lucky. How much
hard way to live, though.

Speaker 1 (02:38:54):
It's a hard way to live. How much? Like what's
the average like paycheck for a fight for a fighter
like that you just described.

Speaker 3 (02:39:03):
It depends on how much they have crowd popularity, right,
Like if you're a Donald Sarony cowboy Saroni who never
won the title, but he was a guy who loves Soony,
he would make some real good money, real good money.
I don't want to talk out of school. I don't
know what his checks were, but you could get rich,
you could be multimillionaire, like Sean Strickland. He was just

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talking about it in one of his Instagram stories. That's
why I could say this where he said he's got
about four million dollars in the bank, I'm like, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:39:33):
Yeah, and he's thirties.

Speaker 3 (02:39:34):
He's in his thirties, he's still top of the food chain,
one of the best in the world in his division,
and he's got money set aside. Like, that's a smart dude.
You got to kind of be able to do that,
because if you don't do that and then you run
out of fighting and you run out of money, and
you run out of options, and you run out of ideas,
you don't know what to do, that's a see we
could do what we do. Doni Rara said this to

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me once. He was like sixty five years old and
he got off stage. He fucking murdered. He was joey,
He goes. One of the things I love about this
fucking game is like, as long as you're in it,
you're still getting better. It's like, I'm still getting better,
and it was. It was beautiful to watch because it's true,
like Rodney Jingerfield deep into his seventies, killing killing George
Carlin deep into his late ages, late ages before he

(02:40:17):
died killing you know you could still do it. And
with fighting, there's a time where you're all this fails you, right,
all the shoulders fail, the back fails, the neck fails,
the wheels fall off, and then you can't take a
shot anymore and you gotta get out.

Speaker 1 (02:40:33):
Yeah, I've seen it in boxing, because that's the combat
sport that I've watched the most growing up.

Speaker 3 (02:40:39):
Mm hm ship.

Speaker 1 (02:40:42):
Now I'm going to mention another name that I can't remember.
So there was this black guy who was fighting a
Mexican guy, but they're big name guys.

Speaker 3 (02:40:52):
Melgic Taylor who savez.

Speaker 1 (02:40:54):
Boom fight, Yeah, never the same after that Ship. Yeah,
he was winning the fight, yep, yep, winning it, got
winning it. Chase chased him down.

Speaker 3 (02:41:08):
Got stopped in the last seconds of the last round,
and Melder Taylor was never the same, never.

Speaker 1 (02:41:15):
Ever ever bro all the skill, all the technique, and
he was a great fire.

Speaker 3 (02:41:23):
Great Olympic gold medalist, world champion.

Speaker 1 (02:41:27):
Yeah, he never He didn't to leave that ring the
way he went in, and he was good enough to
beat up.

Speaker 3 (02:41:34):
As crazy kind of because he lost.

Speaker 1 (02:41:38):
But it almost beat almost and that would have been
a great moment, huge, huge, but.

Speaker 3 (02:41:45):
The amount of damage he took up until that final
blow was already sealed his fate for the rest of
his life. Even if he never got hit with that
last punch, if he just made it to the final
belt and raised his hands up and they gave him
the decision, you know, and if they did that, he's
still is never the same again, Yeah, because Chavez was
just breaking him down, breaking him down, and then you're

(02:42:08):
not around those guys the next day. That's the saddest
thing about the UFC. Would I run into dudes who
lost the next day at the airport and you see
him at the airport and like one eye is completely shut.
They got bandages on their forehead where they got cut open,
their arms in a sling and they're shuffling because their

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legs are so beat up they can barely walk. And
you see him get on the plane, You're like, whoa,
they got sunglasses on and ship and they just and
everybody's like they got follow us, not he got knocked
down and you see him walking by.

Speaker 1 (02:42:40):
Sometimes that's the winner too, Oh yeah, that's how brudal
that show.

Speaker 3 (02:42:44):
Oh yeah, oftentimes that's the winner. But you would see
those guys at the airport. You're like, Wow, that's a
that's a wake up call because it's not just the
night of the fight. It's like, how long is it
going to be before you feel normal again? Right?

Speaker 1 (02:42:59):
Yeah? You brought up Bernard Hopkins earlier and he has
the way he fought was I ain't getting CTE. Yeah,
you may hit me, and if it is, it's you're
gonna hit me while I'm holding you, and you ain't
get no force or no power. And people are gonna

(02:43:20):
cuss and say I'm a dirty fighter and let the
motherfucker go. This is not a dance and it's ain't
the electric slide or the two step, but I am
not getting no brain damage. Like Muhammad Ali used to move.
Bernard would come to you, hug you, Pat Pap, Hug
you again, Pat Pap, hug you again. People paid their

(02:43:40):
money curse this motherfucker out, but they still come back
to see this motherfucker hold.

Speaker 3 (02:43:45):
Yeah. He frustrated the shit out of people, but he
did fucking people up too. Yeah. When he fucked up
Felix Trinidad, that was that was crazy. That was a
big one because everybody thought Trinidad was gonna kill him.

Speaker 1 (02:43:54):
I thought was gonna kill him.

Speaker 3 (02:43:55):
He was a bad motherfucker deep into his late forty,
late forties, world class. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:44:03):
If you don't let him fight, you could fight for
a long ass you could just keep fighting. Just don't
let him fight. He knew all the arm.

Speaker 3 (02:44:13):
Locks, but even him, Like the last fight he had
against Joe Smith Junior, he got knocked out of the
ring and fell on his head and he was fifty
years old. That's old, bro, I know. And the guy
who was fought, the guy he fought, Joe Smith Junior,
is a murderous puncher, just murderous puncher. And you're just
hitting Bernard with these haymakers. And Bernard went through the

(02:44:35):
ropes and the ropes were loose, and he fell out
of the ropes and landed on his fucking head. That's
how the fun.

Speaker 1 (02:44:40):
He's too old to be doing it. First of all,
he's too old to like, like you said, your body goes,
so he probably have the strength, No, his body's not so.

Speaker 3 (02:44:49):
Also falling out of the ring and no one catches
you and you land on your head, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:44:55):
It's almost crakes up for all the punches he missed
his entire career in that one moment.

Speaker 3 (02:45:01):
I mean, that's a car wreck. Yeah, that can fuck
you up for the rest of your life. Yeah, we're lucky.
We're lucky. We picked a thing that doesn't give you
brain damage. Keep doing forever and ever.

Speaker 1 (02:45:12):
Yeah, we were just made this way, or it picked us.
I don't know what is this too serendipitous? But I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (02:45:20):
I'm glad too. Yeah, I'm glad. We've been friends all
this time too. We've had a fun ride.

Speaker 1 (02:45:25):
Yeah, we had a fun ride.

Speaker 3 (02:45:26):
Let's keep this ship going tonight. You're doing my show tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:45:30):
I'm leaving. You ain't gonna like that answer, so you
have to go back.

Speaker 3 (02:45:36):
Can we change your flight?

Speaker 1 (02:45:38):
I got a writing job.

Speaker 3 (02:45:40):
Oh you gotta be there tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (02:45:41):
So I gotta be there tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (02:45:42):
Okay, all right, yeah, writing job, that velvet prison, so on.

Speaker 1 (02:45:46):
I'm trying to break out. That's why I got this
special and I'm gonna keep putting out specials.

Speaker 3 (02:45:51):
Bro Okay, yeah, beautiful, Yeah, all right, brother, Well tell her, buddy,
what's the name of it? Whereas it's on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (02:45:58):
It's on YouTube at Ian Edwards stand up untitled called
Untitled and all the money from the views and the
accents goes to victims of the La fire.

Speaker 3 (02:46:09):
Oh beautiful. Yeah, I don't want for real though, for real,
for real, for real, like unlike the all those other gigantic.

Speaker 1 (02:46:15):
You know me, I've never scammed anybody, you know what
I mean. I'm just like I was there in La
when it happened and it was devastating, and in the lawyer. Yeah,
at the comedy store.

Speaker 3 (02:46:26):
The lawyers. That's such a great room. That's such a
great room. Yeah, beautiful, all right, I love you, I
love you all right, by everybody.