In this explosive first episode of the four-part special “Defending Your Freedom: The Demoree Hadley Story,” Jaguar Wright sits down with Demoree Hadley, the courageous daughter of Roc Nation CEO Desiree Perez, to expose the chilling truth behind a life overshadowed by power, manipulation, and betrayal. With grace and empathy, Jaguar guides Demoree through the earliest cracks in her relationship with her mother—uncovering emotional control, psychological isolation, and the initial red flags that hinted something far more sinister was brewing behind closed doors. For the first time ever, Demoree reveals how she began to suspect she was being watched, listened to, and eventually tracked, even in the privacy of her own home. What begins as a story about family quickly morphs into a disturbing account of covert surveillance, hacked accounts, and the planting of devices—allegedly orchestrated by one of the most powerful women in the entertainment industry. But it doesn’t stop there. Demoree opens up about the night her now-husband was targeted in a false domestic violence call, a set-up that nearly tore her life apart. She recounts how witnesses lied under oath, how authorities moved swiftly without question, and how the truth was buried beneath layers of influence and intimidation. This isn’t just an interview. It’s a whistleblower’s moment of reclamation. Jaguar Wright holds space for Demoree to tell her story uncensored, unfiltered, and unapologetically honest. This is the episode that sets the stage for a bombshell series exploring abuse of power, weaponized mental health laws, and a daughter's fight to be heard against a billion-dollar entertainment empire.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
My name is Jaguar Right, but most of you know that,
and welcome to the Jaguar Right Show. But more importantly,
welcome to a really, really, really important conversation with a
very amazing young woman that I'm enjoying getting to know.
And even in the controversy of everything that's happening and
going on regarding the case and regarding what's happening to
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her very real life and marriage, we wanted to take
the time to make sure that everybody had all of
the facts. There's been a lot of things that have
been misled, misconstrued, and I decided, you know, why not
just open up the platform so you guys can hear
it from de Moray herself, because that's the most important thing.
(00:44):
So often in these times, our voices are cut off,
we're silenced, false voices are speaking louder than real ones,
and everybody knows we stick to the reel around here. So, hey, Tomurray, how.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Are you hi. I'm doing well considering everything that has happened.
Thank you for having me here today.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, thank you for reaching out. I consider it a
big honor, you know, ever since I won Defender of Freedom.
It's not just something that was given to me that
I cherish. It's something that I want to use to do,
you know, God's work and really help people. So I
want to thank you because you're going to be like
the first interview that I'm doing since then. So this
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is a big deal, and there's so many people on
the platform that I already know are going to jump
behind your story and support it. So let's just get
started with a little background on you, if that's okay,
of course, my first question for you, can you tell
us a bit about your upbringing, your relationship with your mother,
who happens to be the CEO of Rock Nation, Deserreperez.
(01:53):
How is your relationship with her before then and now?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, So I was born in New York as a
little baby nine months. My grandfather had to take over
to raise me because my mother was incarcerated and dealing
with the criminal justice system for the crimes that she committed.
In the early nineties, moved to Miami, Florida with my
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grandfather who raised me with his partner. His long term
partner in Miami, Florida, went to school in private and
public school, only spoke Spanish, learned how to speak English
at like seven years old as an American. Yeah, because
I was. He only spoke Spanish, so I had to
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learn in the school system and all that raised very humbly, humble,
right and humble beginnings with my grandfather and my mom
would you know, visit when she can, But at the
time she was incarcerated and dealing with all that stuff.
And then at the same time, I think it wasn't
until the age of thirteen or fourteen that I actually
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lived in the same home as her, when she was
able to kind of get a home, get out, have
you know, some type of stapability. And even then she
would travel back and forth. So my foundation and really
where I was raised is my grandfather, and I'm grateful
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to him.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You sound like you have a really wonderful relationship with him,
and I want to get into that a little bit
more later.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
But also.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
How long has the relationship with your mom been strained
at this point.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I haven't seen my mom since December twenty fifth, twenty
twenty three. That's the last time that I saw her physically.
The last time I spoke to her was December thirtieth,
twenty twenty three, when she said that I was dead
to her. So that was the last time that I.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Spoke to her, she said you were dead to her. Yes, well, why.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That was due to my husband, Javon's first arrest that
happened on December thirty of twenty twenty three. My mother
and I, our relationship has always been strained in the
sense that since I was raised by my grandfather and
his long term partner, who she disliked for different reasons
that I don't need to address here in my business right,
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family business, right, I don't want to drag other people's
business on here to respect my grandfather's history. But you know,
she had tension with my grandfather's partner who raised me,
who I actually called mommy in Spanish, so as you
can imagine, that rubbed her the wrong way. But again,
this is somebody that at nine months right, was feeding me,
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taking care of me, taking me to school with my grandfather.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Set losing the teeth.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, so I did that bond and that love for
her and obviously for my grandfather, and so at thirteen,
you know, being forced to Okay, now I have my
life together, come move with me. That's when the strain
really started. As a child and the trauma because all
I knew was my grandfather, which I call a wilow,
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and that's all I wanted to do is be with him.
So that's kind of where the strain with her and
I started, right because she forced me to move with
her when she got her life together and with my
siblings obviously, and then it was just that was the
real beginning. But then it was just like.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So there was tension, but there wasn't like escalation, just tension.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
It was just tension, debates, arguments. I'm very different than
my siblings in the sense.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
How many billions do you have?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yes, so we're five from her? We all have Yeah,
we're five. We all have different fathers. I have a
six sister who's my stepfather's daughter, so we're sicking in
total because we don't I don't count her as like,
not my sister, so I would say we're six in total.
And I would say I'm different in the sense since
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I was raised by my grandfather and he's a very independent,
free thinker, camp doesn't conform, can't be controlled type of personality.
That was the problem because going from that for thirteen
years to then being under the same roof as somebody
who's a virgo, who's a narcissist who feeds off control.
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As you can imagine as a teenage young lady in
high school dealing with the trauma of my childhood now
coming into this environment, the personality differences, the rebuttals and
things like that. So there was tension, there was arguments,
there was problems, but it wasn't at the level that
it is right now.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And just to be clear, I know you said that
your siblings you all have different paternal links, but were
you ever involved with your paternal father in his family
in any way.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No, So unfortunately, my I caught my sperm donor because
in all reality, my grandfather raised me, and then my stepdad,
who I have my maiden name is peressed because of him,
stepped in in that sense, so I never really had
a relationship with him. He unfortunately has a history of
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selling drugs, being involved with the cartel in Puerto Rico,
with in and out of prison since.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
The age of oh okay from.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Puerto Rico, and as you can imagine, when he got
with my mother, that wasn't a good mix, right to
people on the streets from New York getting involved in
wrong things, they weren't in the position mentally emotionally to
raise a child, which is me. So I'm grateful that
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my grandfather stepped in because my biological father was very
much involved in the whole cartel business and all that
and is currently serving a life sentence as we speak.
So I do not have a relationship with him. He
attempted when I was a young child, but then just disappeared.
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And sometimes we try to touch, you know, touch base
here and there, but not the effort that you would
expect from a grown man. So I just left it
at that since I didn't really feel the like, I
didn't have the emptiness that most people feel.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But baby, what you needed, Yeah, my.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Grands really Yeah, he stepped up to the plate. So
that's the history with my biological dad.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yet. Okay, so basically outside of your maternal family and
now you're in laws, it's been a very quarantined family
environment for you for most of your life.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, I grew up with a lot of trauma because
my biological dad, they went through my parents went through
the oh she's my daughter, No, she's my daughter, and
you know this is public record. He tried to file
for custody and take me away from my grandfather. That
was traumatic for me, and this.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Is just your whole childhood was wrapped around Taios.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yes. I grew up in a very unfortunately with a
lot of minorities, right, Hispanics and the black community of Fortunately,
that tends to be a repeated cycle, right, right, young
parents having kids too young, growing up in the wrong environment,
and it's a repeated cycle. So I went through a
lot of trauma growing up. I went through a lot of.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Toxicity, right, and conflict emotionally, physically, spiritually conflict conflict.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yes, And one last thing, just for reference, are you
the youngest to the oldest.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I'm the youngest girl that I had. Okay, the youngest
is the boy. I'm the youngest.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Girl, so you're the baby girl. Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
So then there was another child that came after you.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So, and how's your relationship with your siblings now?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I don't have a relationship unfortunately now with my siblings. Uh.
I think that my mom has poisoned them against me,
in the sense that I never wanted to involve them
in the issues that her and I we're going through.
She involved them And I know when we get to
the rest of the interviewing and we go through timelines,
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I'll be able to emphasize the part where she involved them,
But I did my best to try not to involve
them because I'm the type of person that if you're
my sister, my relationship with you has nothing to do
with my relationship with my mother. That should be two different,
independent things. That's how I think. Fortunately, that's not how
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everyone thinks, right, and so in my situation with my siblings,
and I love them and I understand, I'm not mad
at them about this. Obviously, I miss them. I wish
that they could communicate with me. I wish that they
could hear my story and understand. And that's part of
the reason I wanted to speak up too, because I
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think they have only been presented one side of the story,
which is my mother's. They've only been presented with fake stuff,
and they haven't really had the opportunity to really hear
my I know that they tried a few months ago,
but when I was dealing with the beginning of this case,
I was afraid I didn't know who I could trust,
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who I could talk to, So I just, you know,
I didn't really respond, and I waited for the MB
six news to come out for them to see a
little snippet of the Baker Act video for them to
get an idea. Okay, that's not right what happened to her?
And I thought that they would reach out, but they didn't.
And I understand because at the end of the day,
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that's their mother, right, And you know, they might not
think like like I do in the sense that it's
too independent relationships.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
One other thing there that I think we had spoken
about when we were just you know, having our prep conversation.
You said, most of your siblings work for your mom.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yes, So that's that's what I was going to get to.
So there's also the I guess the compromise, right, or
the conflict of interests. I don't know how to relieve that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's double compound. Did lose your job, go against mom?
Lose your job, that's a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Go against mom, lose sensibility, security, lose all you ever knew.
So I can't blame them. They're all smart, beautiful human beings.
But I can't blame them because.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
They're being held this situation as well.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah. Yeah, And I can't blame because you're dealing with somebody,
a narcissist who's controlling the narrative. She's had enough time
to control it where they almost believe it. So all
I could hope is that they come across this interview
they reach out. I'm at the stage of my life
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where I prioritize my peace over anything, So I you know,
I'm not reaching out because it's out there. I have
strangers reaching out to me showing compassion and feeling bad
just off of the Baker Active video. I'm not asking
you to go against my mother, but hey, Sis, I'm
sorry that that happened to you. I know you're not
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a drug addict because they know that something along those lines, right,
Because if a stranger can do it, why couldn't you.
So I'm at the point of my life that I
prioritize my peace, and if they don't want the relationship,
they don't want the conversation, that's fine. If they do,
I welcome it with loving arms because at the end
of the day, they're my siblings.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You want to know what's interesting though about everything that
you said. If I were to put myself in their
shoes to see what's happening to your life because you
disagreed with your mother, that speaks volumes because what I've
learned is when you have a gaslighting effort and campaign
on your life, what people are watching is, Hey, I
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don't want that to happen to me. Mm hm, I
don't want to go through that. I'm going to stay
out of it. M And you know that's something that
I'm going to ask every on the platform to keep
in prayer for you, because you really shouldn't have to
lose your life just because you disagree with someone. You
shouldn't have to walk away from that. So, speaking of family,
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what do you honestly believe is the root cause for
your mother's slander campaign on your husband?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
If I had to give a short summary, it would
be a mixture of power control, narcissism, classism, racism. I
think that me dating Javon is a symbol of going
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against all that she believes, all that she thinks right,
all that she taught me in the sense that's how
she sees it.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But can you explain that a little more? Like? What
was it about Javon that was so out there? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That she couldn't she couldn't you know, just mess with it.
I mean, it's I'm talking to you and I'm getting
to know you. And the one thing that I hear
in your voice when you speak about your husband, it's
just support, love, care, honor. So what was it about
him that would create this.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Kind of reaction.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, So Javon's a very independent free thinker and now
in society that's a threat to others unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
So, the minute I met Tavonne at fourteen years old
in high school freshman year, we started dating. So my
mother has been around him. We're thirty years old now,
she has been around him for that amount of time.
She's seen him grow up, She's been around you know,
his family has been around I think since the very beginning.
When we first met, it was you know, racism in
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the sense like why are you dating him? Oh? He
grew up where because he originally was born in Liberty City, Florida,
which is known here as a bad neighborhood in Florida,
and his mother uprooted him and moved him to Homestead
as a young single mom who lost her husband very young,
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had to restart her life, raised him, had you know,
had a phenomenal career, raised her sons from you know,
from all that trauma brought him to a good place
here in Miami where we live. He went to school,
did what he was supposed to do, and she kind of,
you know, took him from that environment. But I think
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that was it's strange, but I think that that disbelieved
my mother in the sense that she didn't like, Okay, well,
he's from Liberty City, like very judgmental, which is hypocritical, right,
because she's from the Bronx with selling drugs and once
they con certed and my father was the head of
a Puerto Rican cartel. So it's a little bit, not
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a little bit, it's very hypocritical, right, Yeah, And it's
crazy because Javon has never been involved in that lifestyle.
I mean, we went to a very good public school.
It's probably number one here in the state of Miami.
You know, he got a D one scholarship to the
Yukon Great, great football player. I went to Boston University.
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Like we genuinely grew up as good kids. Never sold drugs.
He's never been incarcerated, neither have I. So to judge
somebody at fourteen years old for the neighborhood he came from,
or to judge his father or his mother, and you know,
be a little bit racist, and I just think it
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was unfair. And so in the very beginning, it was
trying to prove to her, Oh he's worth my time.
I want to be with him. He is a good guy.
And so it wasn't too crazy for her because she
didn't think we were going to last. So at first
it was like classism, racism, Okay, whatever she's gonna she's
not gonna last. Then as he started to grow up,
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as he started to like us, right, everybody, we grow up,
we start to develop our personality, our traits, We start
to learn and grow. He had different experiences. He went
to a D one school where he had situations right
with you know, am I going to go to the
NFL AM I not? You know. He started to do
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research things, take these classes in college, learn about himself,
the culture right, the environment that we're in. And then
that's when he kind of wanted to veer off what
society kind of introduces to us as the correct path.
So you go to college, you do your nine to five,
you work in the corporate world until you're sixty two,
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you retire, you have your family and your kids. Javon
was very adamant. Since we we're in college that he
didn't want to go to the NFL, that he didn't
want to be in a position that pulled him away
from his family, from his wife, from his normality.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
He was very adamant, and that's really what attracted to me.
And that's how I knew, Okay, I'm going to marry
this man. Because I was like, man, anybody else you know,
they get the opportunity to go to the NFL with
all the girls, the groupies, the traveling, they're going to
jump on board, right, And he was like, I don't
want that. I don't care for that. I care about,
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you know, starting a career, opening my own business, taking
care of my family, because he does still have family
in Liberty City, ringing my kids being present. I don't
want to work for a corporate job that pulls me
away from my kids. And I didn't know, you know,
I didn't. I knew about a little bit about that
because my grandfather's a business owner, right, my mother and
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all that.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, but I was.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Just taught, you know, this is how you're supposed to operate.
And so when Javon presented those ideas, when Javon kind
of encouraged me to think outside of the norm. That
bugged her because now it's oh, you're going to listen
to him and not me. I'm the CEO of Rock Nation.
I know this person. I know that person. Why wouldn't
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you want to come work with me? Or why wouldn't
he want to work with me? It's all about power
control and classism. And so when she saw that he
wasn't like the typical man or young man that would
conform and do that, and that it was impacting me
in a positive light, she saw that as something negative.
She saw it as, Oh, man, this guy is I'm
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going to lose grip and control for my daughter over
this guy. That's how she thought.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Wow, okay, so.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's how I was trying to you know, I wanted
to get to the group.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
No, no, I'm not talking about you.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I'm just talking about the gravity of everything I'm hearing.
Because typically the one thing that a mother wants, especially
for a daughter, is for her to find the right guy,
who has the right values, who's going to treat her
right and be devoted. And it sounds like that's what
you found. It seems like you found the right guy,
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you know, and he sounds like a really great guy.
But more importantly than that, it sounds like your granddad,
Like he sounds like he's the kind of guy that
your granddad is like so, and that happens with women,
you know, when we have paramount figures in our.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Life, like my dad.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I feel the same way about my dad that you
feel about your granddad. And I'm not sure how old
your granddad is, but my dad was born in the thirties,
and he just sounds like the kind of man that
was born somewhere between the thirties and the fifties.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's how those.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Old stringers were in thirty six.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Okay, so he's right behind my dad. My dad was
thirty three. Those times crafted a certain kind of people,
and how lucky for you to find a young man
that actually possessed those qualities. So for me, once again,
you can call all the isms in the world. You're happy, right,
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you were happy? You have to be happy sixteen years?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Do you know how many people can't pull that off?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
At and sixteen wonderful years? And now all of this
so okay, well you know what, let's just jump right
into it. Let's jump into the red flags. Let's talk
about the surveillance, because we really need to start getting
to the heart of what's happened to your life.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's been extremely unfair.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
So at what point did you start feeling like something
was seriously wrong or either being orchestrated or manipulated in
your relationship with your mother?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Okay, so I think honestly, I didn't notice until the
police showed up on September eleventh, twenty twenty three. However,
Javon noticed since early twenty nineteen. He started to tell me,
you know, I'm being followed. He was sending me pictures
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of men following him videos. He was very adamant about
telling me your mother. I have a you know, I
think your mother doesn't like me. I you know she's
having me followed. I'm not sure if she's trying to
catch me doing something wrong. I'm working a normal life,
living a normal life, and at first, you know, as
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a young girl who you know loves her mother, I
didn't believe him, right. I thought it was this guy's
being paranoid. It caused arguments on our relationship because he
felt that I didn't trust him, and I I just
thought there's no way, like, why would she have him fumbled? Like,
there's absolutely no reason because we were going to family
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events together. She seemed to have a great relationship with him,
so I didn't understand the motive. I didn't understand why
that was even possible, and so that caused a little
bit of strain. I mean, we almost broke up on
multiple times because he's, you know, telling me something, but
at the same time, he wants to be careful because
(25:27):
he doesn't want to lose me because it's my mother, right,
And so that became a difficult situation. I really really
really started probably noticing I take that back, not on
September eleventh, at my job, at my job job. Yeah.
So I started working at Iconic Creative Agency with Benitrajela
(25:52):
and Lizrahella from here in Miami, Florida in twenty twenty.
They're an agency that has contracts with the Night Brand
and the Jordan brand. They do events in New York,
they do Super Bowl, they do like store activations like
when Nike has a shoe release. This is kind of
like what they do as an agency. The backstory how
(26:14):
I got to them. I think this is important for
timeline purposes.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah. So I went to school in Boston University, went
to school for social work. I originally wanted to be
a lawyer, did all these internships and work with lawyers,
and then I got offered a position to work with
survivors of torture in Miami, and I loved it. I
was making nothing, but I started off, you know, helping
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survivors of torture and domestic violence. Heer in Miami. Worked
for this nonprofit, you know, had clients. I worked with
asylum seeker, so women who crossed the border, who were trafficked,
who were trying to get asylum here in the United States.
So I got to work with them, and different population
of women, children, and even men because there's a lot
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of a huge population of men that also suffered from abuse,
torture and all that kind of stuff. And so the
pandemic hit, so the organization shut down. I was left
without a job, and I was desperate because again I
grew up with my grandfather. At this time, I was
living with my grandfather in twenty seventeen, because I tried
(27:25):
to live with my mother after college, but we were
it was like too much, Yeah, we were cashing. It
was too much. So my grandfather, his Alzheimer started getting worse,
and I was like you know what, I'm going to
move in with my grandfather. I'll be happy there. I'll
be able to, you know, get a job, save money,
take care of him, and I will be away from
the toxicity and the conflict. So I moved in with him.
(27:48):
In twenty seventeen. Lost that job due to the you know,
the COVID pandemic, and I was looking everywhere for a job.
I mean I would do like part time jobs at
the daycare and stuff like that, but nothing stable because
we were in a national pandemic at that time. My mother said, hey,
I know somebody who's hiring. I can connect you. I
was since very little adamant. I would not work anywhere
(28:11):
that had any type of ties or she knew anybody.
Because I wanted to always, you know, earn, earn my position,
to earn my title, earn my job. And I never
wanted her to say, oh, I got you that job,
because I witnessed her to do that with my siblings.
I witnessed her to do that with my grandmother, like
when she bought my grandmother's house. Oh, I bought this
house for you, this is my house, like very abusive things.
(28:34):
And I didn't want to go through that. So the
jobs before I conic, I got myself, even if they
were low paying. I was fresh out of college, no experience,
so of course, you know, you got to start somewhere.
And so because I was desperate and she was like,
you know, I don't really know her like that I
know her husband, I was like, Okay, I'll try it.
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If it becomes too much of a conflict of interests
or it bites me in the butt, i'll leave right.
So I interviewed with Liz Frahela at Iconic at the
time it was Liz Frahela, Benifrahla and Cindy Boozer, the owners.
Was offered an entry level job. I was told I
was going to be like the marketing manager and it
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was going well. I thought everything was going well, but
then I started noticing little things like, oh, why can't
you stay late late like after hours, or oh why
don't you travel here? Travel there? And I was very
adamant in the interview that I didn't want to travel.
Number one, I wanted to be with my grandfather. Number two,
I wanted to be with my dog. And number three
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we opened Javan and I opened our business in twenty
twenty so I also wanted to be president to help
out with that, and so they did it require me
to travel in the beginning, but I started noticing that
it was weird, like they were trying to you know,
oh stay, stay, stay after hours to work this project
and come this person. And I was like, I'm being paranoid.
(30:04):
So I didn't really, you know, think anything of it.
Then the September incident happened. When the police told me
why they were called and how they found out. I'll
pause there because I feel like I've been talking long
for you to ask me about that.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Oh no, And don't get me wrong, I'm going to
jump in where I need to, but I really want people.
I want to make sure that when we get to
the end of this conversation, there are.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
No more questions.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So I want to, especially considering what's going on in
the backdrop that everyone doesn't know about. So this is
your opportunity, this is the opportunity that you deserve to
just have the floor.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
So please say whatever you need as you need, and
we'll pick it up. But so, this is what's going on.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
This is the timeline we have, as I call it,
the pandemic, a lot of things were shutting down in
the system. You're an independent woman. You're not looking for
a free ride. You're not looking for a handout. You
just wanted to be able to work and be there
with your granddad do your business like these are all
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normal things for a very awesome, smart, bright person like
I still don't see how we get to this because
you're kind of like the kid that are reparent once.
So all right, well let's just pick it up. So
(31:36):
you got the job, and now you're starting to feel like, uh,
something could be off. It's not feeling right, but you
didn't want to think you were paranoid, just like jabon,
you know all of this. So when did it really
hit you that, Okay, this is orchestrated.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, so I think also, I want to mention this
on the platform because doctor Daniel Bobar's team is making
it a person of ven data to use this against me.
So there's something I do want to clear up here
on your interview. Now that we started from the pandemic
and how I got into Iconic in the timeline, so
I'm hired in Iconic twenty twenty. It's important to know
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since I was raised by my grandfather and his partner.
His partner had two kids coming into the relationship. Those
two women, because they're not legally married, were seen as
my mother's stepsisters.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Those two women lived in the home as I was
growing up, and one of those that I consider them
my aunts, even though the logic they weren't one of
them my aunt. She was a teacher, principal, taught me
how to read, taught me how to write. When I
was going through the custody case where my dad was
trying to take me away from my girls, grandfather and
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my mother, I was assigned to guardian at Latam, and
she was actually the one who was doing the visitations
with the court so that the court could see that
I wasn't neglected, that I had somebody to help me
with homework, that I could read, that I could write,
that I was, you know, in a stable pourt in
your life exactly. So that was my aunt. I loved her,
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dearly considered her my aunt. I grew up with her.
She passes in twenty twenty of pancreatic cancer. As you
can imagine, that was a hard blow for me because
my cousin, her son was nine years old just losing
you know, just this is his mother, my grandfather to him,
he just lost the daughter, right His partner was, you know,
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she just lost her youngest child, who was very active,
like she would come every week into our home after
chemo and we would take care of her, or my
grandfather's partner would go to her home. So I had
a very already direct relationship with you know, she was
in hospice and I was at home with her son,
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helping with homework. And then with the pandemic, we couldn't
visit her in the hospital, so we had to deal with,
you know, her dying, not being able to physically see her.
Now as she passes away. My grandfather's depressed with Alzheimer's.
Her mother, you know, was at the lowest of the low.
So now I'm here taking care of my grandfather, taking
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care of her mother when her son is coming over
at nine years old. I'm trying to you know, comfort
him while I'm suffering and grieving, and at the same time,
I'm trying to get a job and get my life together.
So at that point, I was like, you know, I'm
going to do grief counseling. I'm going to do grief
counseling because I was taking care of everybody else and
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it felt like, like, oh my god, you need to
take care of yourself. You need to be you know.
It wasn't that I was depressed. No, I was functional.
I was acting perfectly. Everything was going well because I
was taking care of all of these people. I wanted
to do the grief counseling because I wanted to learn
tips and strategies on how to help the people in
my home deal with grief. I was dealing with a
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nine year old child who lost his mother, and I
didn't know how to communicate with him, you know, without
striking a chord or triggering him. It was all very
new to me because it was the first time I
lost somebody so close to me. So that's why I
was like, I'm going to do grief counseling because all
of this is going on. I want to be able
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to support, you know, the people in the house, and
at the same time have tips and tricks, and at
the same time, I'm sad, like it's not that I have.
By the way, I was never in my life diagnosed
with the mental illness. I did the grief counseling to
grieve her, and that's very important for the context of
this because doctor Daniel Bobar, you tried to use that
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gri
Everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
My name is Jaguar Right, but most of you know that,
and welcome to the Jaguar Right Show. But more importantly,
welcome to a really, really, really important conversation with a
very amazing young woman that I'm enjoying getting to know.
And even in the controversy of everything that's happening and
going on regarding the case and regarding what's happening to
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her very real life and marriage, we wanted to take
the time to make sure that everybody had all of
the facts. There's been a lot of things that have
been misled, misconstrued, and I decided, you know, why not
just open up the platform so you guys can hear
it from de Moray herself, because that's the most important thing.
(00:44):
So often in these times, our voices are cut off,
we're silenced, false voices are speaking louder than real ones,
and everybody knows we stick to the reel around here. So, hey, Tomurray, how.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Are you hi. I'm doing well considering everything that has happened.
Thank you for having me here today.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, thank you for reaching out. I consider it a
big honor, you know, ever since I won Defender of Freedom.
It's not just something that was given to me that
I cherish. It's something that I want to use to do,
you know, God's work and really help people. So I
want to thank you because you're going to be like
the first interview that I'm doing since then. So this
(01:30):
is a big deal, and there's so many people on
the platform that I already know are going to jump
behind your story and support it. So let's just get
started with a little background on you, if that's okay,
of course, my first question for you, can you tell
us a bit about your upbringing, your relationship with your mother,
who happens to be the CEO of Rock Nation, Deserreperez.
(01:53):
How is your relationship with her before then and now?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, So I was born in New York as a
little baby nine months. My grandfather had to take over
to raise me because my mother was incarcerated and dealing
with the criminal justice system for the crimes that she committed.
In the early nineties, moved to Miami, Florida with my
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grandfather who raised me with his partner. His long term
partner in Miami, Florida, went to school in private and
public school, only spoke Spanish, learned how to speak English
at like seven years old as an American. Yeah, because
I was. He only spoke Spanish, so I had to
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learn in the school system and all that raised very humbly, humble,
right and humble beginnings with my grandfather and my mom
would you know, visit when she can, But at the
time she was incarcerated and dealing with all that stuff.
And then at the same time, I think it wasn't
until the age of thirteen or fourteen that I actually
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lived in the same home as her, when she was
able to kind of get a home, get out, have
you know, some type of stapability. And even then she
would travel back and forth. So my foundation and really
where I was raised is my grandfather, and I'm grateful
(03:30):
to him.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
You sound like you have a really wonderful relationship with him,
and I want to get into that a little bit
more later.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
But also.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
How long has the relationship with your mom been strained
at this point.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I haven't seen my mom since December twenty fifth, twenty
twenty three. That's the last time that I saw her physically.
The last time I spoke to her was December thirtieth,
twenty twenty three, when she said that I was dead
to her. So that was the last time that I.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Spoke to her, she said you were dead to her. Yes, well, why.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That was due to my husband, Javon's first arrest that
happened on December thirty of twenty twenty three. My mother
and I, our relationship has always been strained in the
sense that since I was raised by my grandfather and
his long term partner, who she disliked for different reasons
that I don't need to address here in my business right,
(04:36):
family business, right, I don't want to drag other people's
business on here to respect my grandfather's history. But you know,
she had tension with my grandfather's partner who raised me,
who I actually called mommy in Spanish, so as you
can imagine, that rubbed her the wrong way. But again,
this is somebody that at nine months right, was feeding me,
(05:00):
taking care of me, taking me to school with my grandfather.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Set losing the teeth.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, so I did that bond and that love for
her and obviously for my grandfather, and so at thirteen,
you know, being forced to Okay, now I have my
life together, come move with me. That's when the strain
really started. As a child and the trauma because all
I knew was my grandfather, which I call a wilow,
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and that's all I wanted to do is be with him.
So that's kind of where the strain with her and
I started, right because she forced me to move with
her when she got her life together and with my
siblings obviously, and then it was just that was the
real beginning. But then it was just like.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So there was tension, but there wasn't like escalation, just tension.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
It was just tension, debates, arguments. I'm very different than
my siblings in the sense.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
How many billions do you have?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yes, so we're five from her? We all have Yeah,
we're five. We all have different fathers. I have a
six sister who's my stepfather's daughter, so we're sicking in
total because we don't I don't count her as like,
not my sister, so I would say we're six in total.
And I would say I'm different in the sense since
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I was raised by my grandfather and he's a very independent,
free thinker, camp doesn't conform, can't be controlled type of personality.
That was the problem because going from that for thirteen
years to then being under the same roof as somebody
who's a virgo, who's a narcissist who feeds off control.
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As you can imagine as a teenage young lady in
high school dealing with the trauma of my childhood now
coming into this environment, the personality differences, the rebuttals and
things like that. So there was tension, there was arguments,
there was problems, but it wasn't at the level that
it is right now.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And just to be clear, I know you said that
your siblings you all have different paternal links, but were
you ever involved with your paternal father in his family
in any way.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No, So unfortunately, my I caught my sperm donor because
in all reality, my grandfather raised me, and then my stepdad,
who I have my maiden name is peressed because of him,
stepped in in that sense, so I never really had
a relationship with him. He unfortunately has a history of
(07:46):
selling drugs, being involved with the cartel in Puerto Rico,
with in and out of prison since.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
The age of oh okay from.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Puerto Rico, and as you can imagine, when he got
with my mother, that wasn't a good mix, right to
people on the streets from New York getting involved in
wrong things, they weren't in the position mentally emotionally to
raise a child, which is me. So I'm grateful that
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my grandfather stepped in because my biological father was very
much involved in the whole cartel business and all that
and is currently serving a life sentence as we speak.
So I do not have a relationship with him. He
attempted when I was a young child, but then just disappeared.
(08:38):
And sometimes we try to touch, you know, touch base
here and there, but not the effort that you would
expect from a grown man. So I just left it
at that since I didn't really feel the like, I
didn't have the emptiness that most people feel.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But baby, what you needed, Yeah, my.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Grands really Yeah, he stepped up to the plate. So
that's the history with my biological dad.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yet. Okay, so basically outside of your maternal family and
now you're in laws, it's been a very quarantined family
environment for you for most of your life.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah, I grew up with a lot of trauma because
my biological dad, they went through my parents went through
the oh she's my daughter, No, she's my daughter, and
you know this is public record. He tried to file
for custody and take me away from my grandfather. That
was traumatic for me, and this.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Is just your whole childhood was wrapped around Taios.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yes. I grew up in a very unfortunately with a
lot of minorities, right, Hispanics and the black community of Fortunately,
that tends to be a repeated cycle, right, right, young
parents having kids too young, growing up in the wrong environment,
and it's a repeated cycle. So I went through a
lot of trauma growing up. I went through a lot of.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Toxicity, right, and conflict emotionally, physically, spiritually conflict conflict.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yes, And one last thing, just for reference, are you
the youngest to the oldest.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I'm the youngest girl that I had. Okay, the youngest
is the boy. I'm the youngest.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Girl, so you're the baby girl. Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
So then there was another child that came after you.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So, and how's your relationship with your siblings now?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I don't have a relationship unfortunately now with my siblings. Uh.
I think that my mom has poisoned them against me,
in the sense that I never wanted to involve them
in the issues that her and I we're going through.
She involved them And I know when we get to
the rest of the interviewing and we go through timelines,
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I'll be able to emphasize the part where she involved them,
But I did my best to try not to involve
them because I'm the type of person that if you're
my sister, my relationship with you has nothing to do
with my relationship with my mother. That should be two different,
independent things. That's how I think. Fortunately, that's not how
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everyone thinks, right, and so in my situation with my siblings,
and I love them and I understand, I'm not mad
at them about this. Obviously, I miss them. I wish
that they could communicate with me. I wish that they
could hear my story and understand. And that's part of
the reason I wanted to speak up too, because I
(11:47):
think they have only been presented one side of the story,
which is my mother's. They've only been presented with fake stuff,
and they haven't really had the opportunity to really hear
my I know that they tried a few months ago,
but when I was dealing with the beginning of this case,
I was afraid I didn't know who I could trust,
(12:08):
who I could talk to, So I just, you know,
I didn't really respond, and I waited for the MB
six news to come out for them to see a
little snippet of the Baker Act video for them to
get an idea. Okay, that's not right what happened to her?
And I thought that they would reach out, but they didn't.
And I understand because at the end of the day,
(12:31):
that's their mother, right, And you know, they might not
think like like I do in the sense that it's
too independent relationships.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
One other thing there that I think we had spoken
about when we were just you know, having our prep conversation.
You said, most of your siblings work for your mom.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yes, So that's that's what I was going to get to.
So there's also the I guess the compromise, right, or
the conflict of interests. I don't know how to relieve that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
That's double compound. Did lose your job, go against mom?
Lose your job, that's a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Go against mom, lose sensibility, security, lose all you ever knew.
So I can't blame them. They're all smart, beautiful human beings.
But I can't blame them because.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
They're being held this situation as well.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah. Yeah, And I can't blame because you're dealing with somebody,
a narcissist who's controlling the narrative. She's had enough time
to control it where they almost believe it. So all
I could hope is that they come across this interview
they reach out. I'm at the stage of my life
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where I prioritize my peace over anything, So I you know,
I'm not reaching out because it's out there. I have
strangers reaching out to me showing compassion and feeling bad
just off of the Baker Active video. I'm not asking
you to go against my mother, but hey, Sis, I'm
sorry that that happened to you. I know you're not
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a drug addict because they know that something along those lines, right,
Because if a stranger can do it, why couldn't you.
So I'm at the point of my life that I
prioritize my peace, and if they don't want the relationship,
they don't want the conversation, that's fine. If they do,
I welcome it with loving arms because at the end
of the day, they're my siblings.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You want to know what's interesting though about everything that
you said. If I were to put myself in their
shoes to see what's happening to your life because you
disagreed with your mother, that speaks volumes because what I've
learned is when you have a gaslighting effort and campaign
on your life, what people are watching is, Hey, I
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don't want that to happen to me. Mm hm, I
don't want to go through that. I'm going to stay
out of it. M And you know that's something that
I'm going to ask every on the platform to keep
in prayer for you, because you really shouldn't have to
lose your life just because you disagree with someone. You
shouldn't have to walk away from that. So, speaking of family,
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what do you honestly believe is the root cause for
your mother's slander campaign on your husband?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
If I had to give a short summary, it would
be a mixture of power control, narcissism, classism, racism. I
think that me dating Javon is a symbol of going
(15:44):
against all that she believes, all that she thinks right,
all that she taught me in the sense that's how
she sees it.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But can you explain that a little more? Like? What
was it about Javon that was so out there? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That she couldn't she couldn't you know, just mess with it.
I mean, it's I'm talking to you and I'm getting
to know you. And the one thing that I hear
in your voice when you speak about your husband, it's
just support, love, care, honor. So what was it about
him that would create this.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Kind of reaction.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, So Javon's a very independent free thinker and now
in society that's a threat to others unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
So, the minute I met Tavonne at fourteen years old
in high school freshman year, we started dating. So my
mother has been around him. We're thirty years old now,
she has been around him for that amount of time.
She's seen him grow up, She's been around you know,
his family has been around I think since the very beginning.
When we first met, it was you know, racism in
(16:58):
the sense like why are you dating him? Oh? He
grew up where because he originally was born in Liberty City, Florida,
which is known here as a bad neighborhood in Florida,
and his mother uprooted him and moved him to Homestead
as a young single mom who lost her husband very young,
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had to restart her life, raised him, had you know,
had a phenomenal career, raised her sons from you know,
from all that trauma brought him to a good place
here in Miami where we live. He went to school,
did what he was supposed to do, and she kind of,
you know, took him from that environment. But I think
(17:39):
that was it's strange, but I think that that disbelieved
my mother in the sense that she didn't like, Okay, well,
he's from Liberty City, like very judgmental, which is hypocritical, right,
because she's from the Bronx with selling drugs and once
they con certed and my father was the head of
a Puerto Rican cartel. So it's a little bit, not
(18:02):
a little bit, it's very hypocritical, right, Yeah, And it's
crazy because Javon has never been involved in that lifestyle.
I mean, we went to a very good public school.
It's probably number one here in the state of Miami.
You know, he got a D one scholarship to the
Yukon Great, great football player. I went to Boston University.
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Like we genuinely grew up as good kids. Never sold drugs.
He's never been incarcerated, neither have I. So to judge
somebody at fourteen years old for the neighborhood he came from,
or to judge his father or his mother, and you know,
be a little bit racist, and I just think it
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was unfair. And so in the very beginning, it was
trying to prove to her, Oh he's worth my time.
I want to be with him. He is a good guy.
And so it wasn't too crazy for her because she
didn't think we were going to last. So at first
it was like classism, racism, Okay, whatever she's gonna she's
not gonna last. Then as he started to grow up,
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as he started to like us, right, everybody, we grow up,
we start to develop our personality, our traits, We start
to learn and grow. He had different experiences. He went
to a D one school where he had situations right
with you know, am I going to go to the
NFL AM I not? You know. He started to do
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research things, take these classes in college, learn about himself,
the culture right, the environment that we're in. And then
that's when he kind of wanted to veer off what
society kind of introduces to us as the correct path.
So you go to college, you do your nine to five,
you work in the corporate world until you're sixty two,
(19:53):
you retire, you have your family and your kids. Javon
was very adamant. Since we we're in college that he
didn't want to go to the NFL, that he didn't
want to be in a position that pulled him away
from his family, from his wife, from his normality.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
He was very adamant, and that's really what attracted to me.
And that's how I knew, Okay, I'm going to marry
this man. Because I was like, man, anybody else you know,
they get the opportunity to go to the NFL with
all the girls, the groupies, the traveling, they're going to
jump on board, right, And he was like, I don't
want that. I don't care for that. I care about,
(20:33):
you know, starting a career, opening my own business, taking
care of my family, because he does still have family
in Liberty City, ringing my kids being present. I don't
want to work for a corporate job that pulls me
away from my kids. And I didn't know, you know,
I didn't. I knew about a little bit about that
because my grandfather's a business owner, right, my mother and
(20:54):
all that.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, but I was.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Just taught, you know, this is how you're supposed to operate.
And so when Javon presented those ideas, when Javon kind
of encouraged me to think outside of the norm. That
bugged her because now it's oh, you're going to listen
to him and not me. I'm the CEO of Rock Nation.
I know this person. I know that person. Why wouldn't
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you want to come work with me? Or why wouldn't
he want to work with me? It's all about power
control and classism. And so when she saw that he
wasn't like the typical man or young man that would
conform and do that, and that it was impacting me
in a positive light, she saw that as something negative.
She saw it as, Oh, man, this guy is I'm
(21:39):
going to lose grip and control for my daughter over
this guy. That's how she thought.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Wow, okay, so.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's how I was trying to you know, I wanted
to get to the group.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
No, no, I'm not talking about you.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I'm just talking about the gravity of everything I'm hearing.
Because typically the one thing that a mother wants, especially
for a daughter, is for her to find the right guy,
who has the right values, who's going to treat her
right and be devoted. And it sounds like that's what
you found. It seems like you found the right guy,
(22:16):
you know, and he sounds like a really great guy.
But more importantly than that, it sounds like your granddad,
Like he sounds like he's the kind of guy that
your granddad is like so, and that happens with women,
you know, when we have paramount figures in our.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Life, like my dad.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I feel the same way about my dad that you
feel about your granddad. And I'm not sure how old
your granddad is, but my dad was born in the thirties,
and he just sounds like the kind of man that
was born somewhere between the thirties and the fifties.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's how those.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Old stringers were in thirty six.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Okay, so he's right behind my dad. My dad was
thirty three. Those times crafted a certain kind of people,
and how lucky for you to find a young man
that actually possessed those qualities. So for me, once again,
you can call all the isms in the world. You're happy, right,
(23:19):
you were happy? You have to be happy sixteen years?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Do you know how many people can't pull that off?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
At and sixteen wonderful years? And now all of this
so okay, well you know what, let's just jump right
into it. Let's jump into the red flags. Let's talk
about the surveillance, because we really need to start getting
to the heart of what's happened to your life.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
It's been extremely unfair.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
So at what point did you start feeling like something
was seriously wrong or either being orchestrated or manipulated in
your relationship with your mother?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Okay, so I think honestly, I didn't notice until the
police showed up on September eleventh, twenty twenty three. However,
Javon noticed since early twenty nineteen. He started to tell me,
you know, I'm being followed. He was sending me pictures
(24:24):
of men following him videos. He was very adamant about
telling me your mother. I have a you know, I
think your mother doesn't like me. I you know she's
having me followed. I'm not sure if she's trying to
catch me doing something wrong. I'm working a normal life,
living a normal life, and at first, you know, as
(24:45):
a young girl who you know loves her mother, I
didn't believe him, right. I thought it was this guy's
being paranoid. It caused arguments on our relationship because he
felt that I didn't trust him, and I I just
thought there's no way, like, why would she have him fumbled? Like,
there's absolutely no reason because we were going to family
(25:07):
events together. She seemed to have a great relationship with him,
so I didn't understand the motive. I didn't understand why
that was even possible, and so that caused a little
bit of strain. I mean, we almost broke up on
multiple times because he's, you know, telling me something, but
at the same time, he wants to be careful because
(25:27):
he doesn't want to lose me because it's my mother, right,
And so that became a difficult situation. I really really
really started probably noticing I take that back, not on
September eleventh, at my job, at my job job. Yeah.
So I started working at Iconic Creative Agency with Benitrajela
(25:52):
and Lizrahella from here in Miami, Florida in twenty twenty.
They're an agency that has contracts with the Night Brand
and the Jordan brand. They do events in New York,
they do Super Bowl, they do like store activations like
when Nike has a shoe release. This is kind of
like what they do as an agency. The backstory how
(26:14):
I got to them. I think this is important for
timeline purposes.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah. So I went to school in Boston University, went
to school for social work. I originally wanted to be
a lawyer, did all these internships and work with lawyers,
and then I got offered a position to work with
survivors of torture in Miami, and I loved it. I
was making nothing, but I started off, you know, helping
(26:41):
survivors of torture and domestic violence. Heer in Miami. Worked
for this nonprofit, you know, had clients. I worked with
asylum seeker, so women who crossed the border, who were trafficked,
who were trying to get asylum here in the United States.
So I got to work with them, and different population
of women, children, and even men because there's a lot
(27:03):
of a huge population of men that also suffered from abuse,
torture and all that kind of stuff. And so the
pandemic hit, so the organization shut down. I was left
without a job, and I was desperate because again I
grew up with my grandfather. At this time, I was
living with my grandfather in twenty seventeen, because I tried
(27:25):
to live with my mother after college, but we were
it was like too much, Yeah, we were cashing. It
was too much. So my grandfather, his Alzheimer started getting worse,
and I was like you know what, I'm going to
move in with my grandfather. I'll be happy there. I'll
be able to, you know, get a job, save money,
take care of him, and I will be away from
the toxicity and the conflict. So I moved in with him.
(27:48):
In twenty seventeen. Lost that job due to the you know,
the COVID pandemic, and I was looking everywhere for a job.
I mean I would do like part time jobs at
the daycare and stuff like that, but nothing stable because
we were in a national pandemic at that time. My mother said, hey,
I know somebody who's hiring. I can connect you. I
was since very little adamant. I would not work anywhere
(28:11):
that had any type of ties or she knew anybody.
Because I wanted to always, you know, earn, earn my position,
to earn my title, earn my job. And I never
wanted her to say, oh, I got you that job,
because I witnessed her to do that with my siblings.
I witnessed her to do that with my grandmother, like
when she bought my grandmother's house. Oh, I bought this
house for you, this is my house, like very abusive things.
(28:34):
And I didn't want to go through that. So the
jobs before I conic, I got myself, even if they
were low paying. I was fresh out of college, no experience,
so of course, you know, you got to start somewhere.
And so because I was desperate and she was like,
you know, I don't really know her like that I
know her husband, I was like, Okay, I'll try it.
(28:55):
If it becomes too much of a conflict of interests
or it bites me in the butt, i'll leave right.
So I interviewed with Liz Frahela at Iconic at the
time it was Liz Frahela, Benifrahla and Cindy Boozer, the owners.
Was offered an entry level job. I was told I
was going to be like the marketing manager and it
(29:18):
was going well. I thought everything was going well, but
then I started noticing little things like, oh, why can't
you stay late late like after hours, or oh why
don't you travel here? Travel there? And I was very
adamant in the interview that I didn't want to travel.
Number one, I wanted to be with my grandfather. Number two,
I wanted to be with my dog. And number three
(29:41):
we opened Javan and I opened our business in twenty
twenty so I also wanted to be president to help
out with that, and so they did it require me
to travel in the beginning, but I started noticing that
it was weird, like they were trying to you know,
oh stay, stay, stay after hours to work this project
and come this person. And I was like, I'm being paranoid.
(30:04):
So I didn't really, you know, think anything of it.
Then the September incident happened. When the police told me
why they were called and how they found out. I'll
pause there because I feel like I've been talking long
for you to ask me about that.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Oh no, And don't get me wrong, I'm going to
jump in where I need to, but I really want people.
I want to make sure that when we get to
the end of this conversation, there are.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
No more questions.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So I want to, especially considering what's going on in
the backdrop that everyone doesn't know about. So this is
your opportunity, this is the opportunity that you deserve to
just have the floor.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
So please say whatever you need as you need, and
we'll pick it up. But so, this is what's going on.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
This is the timeline we have, as I call it,
the pandemic, a lot of things were shutting down in
the system. You're an independent woman. You're not looking for
a free ride. You're not looking for a handout. You
just wanted to be able to work and be there
with your granddad do your business like these are all
(31:15):
normal things for a very awesome, smart, bright person like
I still don't see how we get to this because
you're kind of like the kid that are reparent once.
So all right, well let's just pick it up. So
(31:36):
you got the job, and now you're starting to feel like, uh,
something could be off. It's not feeling right, but you
didn't want to think you were paranoid, just like jabon,
you know all of this. So when did it really
hit you that, Okay, this is orchestrated.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, so I think also, I want to mention this
on the platform because doctor Daniel Bobar's team is making
it a person of ven data to use this against me.
So there's something I do want to clear up here
on your interview. Now that we started from the pandemic
and how I got into Iconic in the timeline, so
I'm hired in Iconic twenty twenty. It's important to know
(32:23):
since I was raised by my grandfather and his partner.
His partner had two kids coming into the relationship. Those
two women, because they're not legally married, were seen as
my mother's stepsisters.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Those two women lived in the home as I was
growing up, and one of those that I consider them
my aunts, even though the logic they weren't one of
them my aunt. She was a teacher, principal, taught me
how to read, taught me how to write. When I
was going through the custody case where my dad was
trying to take me away from my girls, grandfather and
(33:00):
my mother, I was assigned to guardian at Latam, and
she was actually the one who was doing the visitations
with the court so that the court could see that
I wasn't neglected, that I had somebody to help me
with homework, that I could read, that I could write,
that I was, you know, in a stable pourt in
your life exactly. So that was my aunt. I loved her,
(33:23):
dearly considered her my aunt. I grew up with her.
She passes in twenty twenty of pancreatic cancer. As you
can imagine, that was a hard blow for me because
my cousin, her son was nine years old just losing
you know, just this is his mother, my grandfather to him,
he just lost the daughter, right His partner was, you know,
(33:45):
she just lost her youngest child, who was very active,
like she would come every week into our home after
chemo and we would take care of her, or my
grandfather's partner would go to her home. So I had
a very already direct relationship with you know, she was
in hospice and I was at home with her son,
(34:06):
helping with homework. And then with the pandemic, we couldn't
visit her in the hospital, so we had to deal with,
you know, her dying, not being able to physically see her.
Now as she passes away. My grandfather's depressed with Alzheimer's.
Her mother, you know, was at the lowest of the low.
So now I'm here taking care of my grandfather, taking
(34:28):
care of her mother when her son is coming over
at nine years old. I'm trying to you know, comfort
him while I'm suffering and grieving, and at the same time,
I'm trying to get a job and get my life together.
So at that point, I was like, you know, I'm
going to do grief counseling. I'm going to do grief
counseling because I was taking care of everybody else and
(34:48):
it felt like, like, oh my god, you need to
take care of yourself. You need to be you know.
It wasn't that I was depressed. No, I was functional.
I was acting perfectly. Everything was going well because I
was taking care of all of these people. I wanted
to do the grief counseling because I wanted to learn
tips and strategies on how to help the people in
my home deal with grief. I was dealing with a
(35:10):
nine year old child who lost his mother, and I
didn't know how to communicate with him, you know, without
striking a chord or triggering him. It was all very
new to me because it was the first time I
lost somebody so close to me. So that's why I
was like, I'm going to do grief counseling because all
of this is going on. I want to be able
(35:30):
to support, you know, the people in the house, and
at the same time have tips and tricks, and at
the same time, I'm sad, like it's not that I have.
By the way, I was never in my life diagnosed
with the mental illness. I did the grief counseling to
grieve her, and that's very important for the context of
this because doctor Daniel Bobar, you tried to use that
(35:51):
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