March 6, 2025 • 41 mins
In this riveting interview on the Jesse Jackson Jr. Show, Jaguar Wright delivers her unvarnished perspective on today’s most polarizing political and cultural issues. She delves into the controversies surrounding President Trump and the MAGA movement with characteristic candor, reflecting on how these forces shape our nation’s discourse. Jaguar also discusses “The Audacity of Hope” and the legacy of Barack Obama, drawing compelling contrasts between past and present leadership. Throughout the conversation, Jaguar offers unique insights into her relationship with General Flynn and shares her thoughts on influential commentators like Liz Crokin. The dialogue takes an inspiring turn as she recounts the honor of receiving the Defender of Freedom Award—presented by Mary Flynn—a recognition that underscores her commitment to speaking truth to power in an era marked by relentless attacks on her credibility online. Join us for this powerful, in-depth conversation where Jaguar Wright lays out her vision for justice, accountability, and a renewed commitment to freedom in America. Don’t miss this bold exploration of celebrity influence, political ideals, and the personal journey of a fearless truth-teller.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Jefthory Jacklin Junior. Welcome to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
A very special guest today is Jackuar Wright. Jack wars
artn beat soul, neo soul singer, songwriter, advocate, and renowned
for her powerful vocals and canned commentary on the music industry.
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Born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Wright emerged from the city's vibrant
music scene in the late nineteen ninety She gained prominence
through collaborations with the Roots, contributing to their live performances
and recordings. Her dynamic stage present led to opportunities such
as performing alongside Jay Z during his two thousand and
one MTV Unplugged session. Wright's debut album, De Nials, Delusions
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and Decisions was released in two thousand and two, showcasing
her rich voice and honest lyrics. She is an extraordinary
woman Beyond her musical contributions. Right is a vocal advocate
for ethical practices within the entertainment industry. The process of
launching a nonprofit organization, Cruelty Free Artistry, dedicated to seeking
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justice for victims of sex crimes and human trafficking and
promoting integrity and respect in creative fields. Recently, she became
the recipient of the Defender of Freedom Award from America's
Future twenty twenty five. I retired General Mike Flynn Jaguar,
Welcome to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
That sounds awesome. Everything that's a great I sometimes I
forget everything that I do, and so it's nice to
hear it's spoken so eloquently.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Thank you. Well, I'm so I'm so honored that you're here,
and I must share with our listeners that this is
our first introduction and I'm particularly excited about that. I
had the great privilege of meeting your producer in between
one of my shows and he said, Hey, would you
guys like Jaguar write? I said, are you kidding? Of course,
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I said, of course we would, And I'm welcoming you
to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, thank you to Woo Kang Alma day Is because
he is the producer extraordinary. And you know, I always
make a bad joke. I always talk about my girlfriend
Michelle A and she used to tell me Jack if
you want to have it all and you want to
have the great records, and you gotta get with the producer.
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And you know what, after all of these years, I
finally took her. I've never been happier.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You know. In this our first segment where we have
about two and a half, about about four minutes left,
share with us what you want the world to know
about Jaguar Wright, not what they perceive, not what they see.
Here with us your passion who you are.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'm a child of God.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
God delivered me from the Devil's mouth in exchange for
one reason and one purpose, to take from the devil
and give to who is good and most deserving. And
to make sure that God has always seen, no matter
how busy the devil is working, he has always seen.
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He is always there, he is always in the And
I've just tried to create my life to be a
representation of the fact that what I'm doing is not
on my bad and doing what God has called me
to do. And considering your very rich legacy, I think
you know exactly what I need.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I certainly do. So it's really interesting that you see
your work as a ministry.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, I don't like using that word.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I don't even dirty word dirty word, but it's a calling.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, I mean, ministry is literally just right across the
street from a cult. I've been called both.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So the the world is in a very very interesting place.
There's this great al there's this great debate over what
is real, what is not real, what constitutes the truth?
How you process the truth. And obviously I have a
courage that is unusual, that is speaking truth to power,
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to very very powerful people here with us. How you
process that truth and the source of that truth. I
think you've shared it when you said God, but there's
more there. There's more to it. I think that our
listeners would love to hear.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It starts with God. But then there's this thing that
I have that I started developing like really acutely, and
it's called integrity. I'm an integral person. I believe that
anything that lacks integrity will break down. Period. If there
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is a lack of integrity in it, whether it takes
five years or five hundred years, it's going to break down.
And what we have to learn how to do in
America is stop trying to create something new out of
what we already know. Is there that's not working, that's
not effective, and we have to level it out and
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create a new build. And we do that with integrity
and for me with the calling that God has put
on my heart and everything that I saw. You know,
it's so funny. I'm about to start working on my
memoir for my life and it's called God's Secret Shopper.
And that's how I've always felt in my life. God
has always put me in places where I shouldn't have been.
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Where Why is this happening in front of me? Why
am I the person? But then I realized He did
it so that I could come back to him and
let him know what's going on in that shop so
he can do the appropriate thing. And I like that.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson
Junior Show. My very special guest is Jaguar Wright. When
we come forward, we're going to dig deeper into the
source of her power.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
From Jesse Jacksline Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson
Junior Show. My very special guest is none other than
Neil Soul, singer and songwriter and advocate Jaguar Wright. Jaguar
Welcome back to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
A very hungry Jaguar.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
How are you welcome back? You know I was thinking
about about the source of your power. God, you talked
about integrity, but we also witness on a daily basis
with extraordinary media platform that you have courage. And this
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is Women's History Month, we've seen African American women emerge,
not only through the Kamala Harris campaign, but quite frankly,
from my political perspective, since black women overwhelmingly voted for
the sister in this race, they asserted themselves in a
way that they've never really asserted themselves before. So it's
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in the ether. It's in the ether the Democratic Party,
it's in the ether in the Republican Party. This courage
that black women have that has always been there during
this Black History Month, if you could speak to that
courage for us, it would be Black History Month, Women's
History Month. I would appreciate you speaking to that courage.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Well, for so many years, the patriarchy has fought very
hard to keep the matriarchy in a respectable place. You know,
last year there was a woman a faith, a minister,
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and a bunch of her fellow male pastors voted to
have taken down from the pullpit on her church because
they didn't think that as a woman, it sent a
good message as a leader is.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
This Ebney Marshall Urman over at Abyssinian m very familiar
with his story.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And no one really talked about that. Everyone just kind
of let that go by. And you know, for your
father too, have been one of our greatest American inspirational
leaders because that's what he did. He inspired us. You know,
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when I think about I have a dream. He wasn't
just speaking for men. He wasn't just he was speaking
for all people. You know, And even when we look
at references in the Bible and it says he, what
it really means is they. Women have so often been
cut out of history as an attache or as an
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ad bonus. You know, nobody looks at the fact that
in the Obama dynamic, it was Michelle who was really
the trailblazer that made it possible for her husband to
walk through certain doors. And even now with her leaving
full on public life, people tend to forget the contribution
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that she made the making that happen. But then again,
and not just with black men women, would Bill Clinton
have really been the president that he was or made
it as far as he did without Hillary. Hillary was
really the political mind. Hillary was the political animal. Hillary
came from the legacy, you know. So I think in America,
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you know, we have this saying behind every great man, right,
there's a great woman, right? Why is she behind the man?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Wow? Good point.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Why does she have to be behind the man? Why
can't she be beside him? Because they are two halves
of the same coin. And I think what's happening now
that the patriarchy side has become so dull and so convoluted,
the side that has been hidden has now become the
one that is most pronounced. It's no different than any coin.
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The side that has had more action and more attraction,
it gets worn down beside that's not particularly It can
look sometimes close to brand new, and though women speaking
out boldly seems like it's new, No it's not. It's
just a different side of the coin that is now
being forced to the front.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And I'm grateful for it, and rightfully so, you know,
let me share with you a little bit of my experience.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
If any of that made any sense.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Of course it did. And the example that I was
going to give my mother was my special guest on
the program this past Monday for Women's History Month, and
for an hour and a half she spent with me
and with our listener. She blew up social media because
she offered an insight into how she met Jesse Jackson
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and on college campus and he was of course. She said,
they had milwalk essentially through a gauntlet in order to
get to the canteen, and he was standing there, you know, hey,
and he turned to her and said, you're gonna marry me,
and my mother turned him and said, you better, you
better remember you made that promise. That's how they met, right.
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But it's my mother who met with President Yasir Era
Fat of the PLO, the whole Gaza West Bank issue.
It's my mother who was with Anwar Sadat in Egypt
just months before he was shot and killed. It's my
mother who knew the president of Libya, who was who
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was killed. It's my mother who knew Fidel Castoral. Right.
She was the international player behind Jesse Jackson. And so
by the time Jesse Jackson is going around the world
saving hostages and meeting people on the international scene, my
mother had already been there. No fanfare, no press. He
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got all the press and all of the light. To
your point, she was behind him, she was side him.
And that which is convoluted on the front side is
now become the backside of the same court. I really
get it. I think that's really really something profound that
you said. Let me just share with you a little
bit of my experience when I when I went to prison,
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my family was falling apart, and I was in a
lot of trouble mentally, emotionally, I mean falling off of
a big mountain congress, and I ended up in a valley.
It's my mother who writes me a letter every day
while I'm in prison. Strength. She gives me courage, and
it was also her own form of therapy. And while
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in prison, because of my mother's strength, because she assumed
the role of that strong maternal, if you will, matriarchical figure,
she closed a gap for me that no man, not
even my father, could provide.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Emotionally, there is something that a praying mother off. When
a praying mother goes to work everything, there's nothing that
can stop nothing that can stop a praying mother.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, I have this interesting question for you. I now
understand better from our initial conversation why you have decided
not in your ministry, but in your calling, in your
in the structure of your being to bring forward the
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abuse issues that women face in the industry. Yes, probably
every industry right ye. But the one that you have
said is the one that you are, I mean, the
nation's champion of is the silent abuse that has been
taking place in our community. And without getting into that
which is legal and already, the question is about your
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courage and your strength. Why did you decide this is
what I have to do?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Well. I was forced to do something that your mother
never had to do. I had to look at my
son on a slab, not breathing, lips buttoned up tight,
and before it was time for us to put him
in that furnace to collapse down, what was left behind
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after his spirit took flight. I was forced to deal
with one thing. I was there at the beginning of
this person's life. I am here at the end of
this person's life. This person came from me. What did
I do to make this happen?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Oh? Wow, I'm getting emotional about this.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I yeah, yeah. And my son refused a Rock Nation contract,
and the young man that took his life, that was
six years younger than him, was trying to get one mmm.
And I thought about every rap record that I worked on,
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that promoted the culture that took my son's life. I
thought about every every concert I went to, all of
the girls when I turned my head, when I knew
exactly what's going to happen to them when they went
into that hotel room, and I was told to be
quiet if I wanted to keep my spot. All of
those compromising choices help feed the furnace on the vanity
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bonfire that I had to put my son's body into
m no more.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Well, you know I didn't want to. I didn't I
did better, blah blah blah blah blah. I just didn't know.
And so I'm sorry that we even it's my testimony.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's my testimony.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
My mother told me, no test no testimony, and I
get it. I get it now.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
The word it's the root word in this. You gotta
have a test to have a testimony. And see, that's
where God lives in the detail of that test. And
the worst the test, the greater God is at the end,
because when God puts his hand on something, it goes
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down the world where it looks like there's no way
it could have happened, ever could have happened. Not that
person this can't be what are you talking about? And
then God comes in and then everybody's like, I love
when God gets a working Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I remind people all the time that when I was
thrown in solitary confinement for three days for.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Help, I know exactly what you've been through.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
A hole is a beast. I mean, you're talking about
your head and all you can do is listen to
the spirit and God speaks to you in ways that
you can't hear until in the whole. It's it's a
deep kind of thing. But I came out a new
person when I am not in that space. My ministry changed,
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my relationships changed, my relationship with my parents, with my siblings.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
With the world, my world.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Outlook changed, and I came out determined more than ever
to champion the idea that no one should ever find
themselves in a hole, not like that.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
HM.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And there's an empathy that I developed for men who
had been down that journey and now obviously women who
had been down that journey that I had never experienced before.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Look At how extraordinary that is. You know, people always
say to me, I don't know how you do it.
I don't know how you've survived all of these things.
I don't know how you made it. I don't know
how you made it through this, that and the third,
and so and so on and so forth. And I
tell them all the time, my life and my outlook
has changed. I no longer see problems. I only acknowledged
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circumstances my life. I've turned it into a puzzle. I
love puzzles, and the best part about it is what
fits fits what doesn't. But when you get all of
the pieces together, finally get to see the whole picture.
And that's what my life and my work is, putting
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little pieces of the puzzle together section bisection, seeing which
one's length, which ones don't, so that I can finally
show people the whole picture of why God made me.
M M. I tell people a lot of time. If
you got a problem with me, then you better go
to the manufacturer, because God made me.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Got to preach right there, JACKO, let me ask you
a question. Let me take a turn to to the
freedom award. Obviously, because you stepped forward, we have three
minutes before before the break, and obviously we have two
more seconds. But when you receive the freedom award, one,
how did that make you feel? And share with us.
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The context of how you came into the Freedom Award.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I can't even tell you. Our has gump my way there,
I promise you.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I was playing ping pong and the next thing you know,
I was a national hero.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I only came for the food in the swag. But
the truth is is up until just a couple of
days before, I didn't even know I was being honored.
I was there to be a part of the effort
and to stand with America's future because the President has
made it very clear to General Flynn that the as
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we call it, the teleporting of the little people and
the big people, it has to stop. And if we
got to grab them all up and get them down
there to Gimo, and that's just what we're going to do.
And then my producer went back and read the email.
He said, honey, and I said what he said, they're
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giving you an award. I said, who he's an America's future.
They're giving you an award, I said, they are. Liz
didn't tell me that because my friend Liz Croaking God
bless her, she's the one that nominated me to be
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recognized by the organization. And then come to find out
that Mary Flynn, General Flynn's sister. She was a big
fan of mine. I didn't even know. And the reason
why was because of all of my commentary that I
did on the Blue Couch speaking out against Ditty. And
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the reason why is because she has her own issue
with Ditty. Her son was signed to one of Ditty's guys,
d MAC, and went through many abuses, and then when
d MAC and Ditty were done with them, they passed
them off to Travis Barker, who went in even further
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on him. Now he didn't pass like my son did.
Both of our sons were affected. And she's been rooting
me on in the backdrop all of this time because
she wants Diddy and all of his friends gone no
different than I do. When a Republican and someone raised
a Democrat both to mothers see their children in pain
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and agony or lose their children, it creates a bond
that nobody could possibly have. That empathy that you were
talking about from the whole it's the same thing with mothers.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson
Junior Show. When we come forward, we'll be listening. We'll
be listening to unapologetically Jaguar Wright. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior.
Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. My very
special guest is Jaguar Wright, American R and B and
neo soul singer, songwriter advocate, renowned for her powerful vocals,
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candid commentary on the music industry beyond her musical contributions
right as a vocal advocate for ethical practices with any
entertainment industry. She's in the process of launching a nonprofit organization,
Cruelty Free Artistry, dedicated to seeking justice for victims of
sex crimes and human trafficking. We are learning a lot
about Jaguar right today, and this is my first time
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meeting Jaguar. Jaguar Welcome back to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I'm having a bald just sit here with you. I'm
learning a lot about you.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'm I'm so glad that you're here. You know, I
want to go back to Michael Flynn because I've got
history right. As you know, I was in the Congress
of the United States for seventeen years. My family has
been in social activism for a number of years, and
Michael Flynn's freedom award as a historian. I have a
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law degree. I have written books on American and after
a Frican American history. I think about freedom from white folks. Right,
let me just get it real, four minute I think
about I saw a movie before Black History Month. I
saw Roots one more time. When Chicken George was talking
on July fourth, he said, white folks, they should been Lucasaginia.
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They show celebrate their freedom. I'm so happy they free
free from them other white folks in Britain. Of course,
he was a slave talking about their freedom. So there's
this debate over freedom between white folks absolutely and the slave.
You know, matriarchy, patriarchy. But then in our context versus master,
both of us have a definition of freedom. We want
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to get off the plantation. Their definition of freedom is
we got the right to own you and you're our property. Right.
Then there's the Confederacy, we got the right to keep
our slaves in our states and the Union. We think
you don't have that right. So you know, women, you know,
women believe and I believe they should have controlled over
their own bodies. But then some folks believe we got
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the right to tell you what the do it your body.
I mean, so this debate over freedom is ongoing debate
that has taken place. And I found this interesting quote.
Uh oh, Behabraham Lee. I just want to read it
to you. He says, we all declare for liberty, but
in using the same word, we do not mean the
same thing. With some, the word liberty may mean for
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each man to do as he pleases with himself and
the product of his labor, while others the same word
may mean for some to do with other men or
women as they choose to do with other men or
women and the product of their labor. He says, here
are too, not only different but incompatible things called by
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the same name liberty. And it follows that each of
these things is, by the respective parties, called two different
names and incompatible names, liberty and tyranny. Again, I told
you I have a little bit of history with Michael Flynn, Right,
he says, you know, I'm giving jag whar Right the
freedom award. I'm saying to myself, is this freedom to
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be free? Or is this freedom under this definition? And
by that I mean General C. Q. Brown, for example,
was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff two
weeks ago he ain't never done nothing wrong but be
a good soldier, got most stars on his shoulder than
anybody on earth, right, and they replaced him with this
white guy. The brother didn't do want replaced him as
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chairman the Joint chiefs of Staff. He got four stars
on his but he said Donald Trump. The white guy
said to Donald Trump, I'll kill anybody for you. Man,
I'll kill anybody for you. Well, the brother never said that. Also,
I'm trying to figure out the definition of freedom that
we should embrace, Jaguar, and how you interpret freedom, because
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when I listened to you on social media and on programs,
I want to say to myself, that's sister right there
is speaking for me, it really, but I need to
know if your definition of freedom is the definition that
that fits freedom struggle, Well say it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Let me start by quoting my fellow tarian patriarch when
it comes to keeping its straight talk, Malcolm X. The
only true freedom is death.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Mm hmm. That sounds like a give me liberty or
give me death by Patrick Henry yeah, or.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Fifty cent Curtis Jackson, get rich or die trying mmm
the same principle.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Mmm.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I'm not trying to do either. To be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord. I
don't think anybody can give me the kind of freedom
that I want. But the issue is when we use
the word freedom, what are we getting free from?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think a lot of people have a problem with
the moniker make America great Again, and I can understand why,
because it's very clever, just like the Baracobama hope the
audacity of hope. When you use that phrase, both of
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them are incorrect if you look at them integrally. And
I'm an artist and a writer, and I'm a confirmed
and published writer, so I take words very seriously. And
when I think of the audacity of hope and then
make America great again, they're both false because in order
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to make something great again, it would have had to
have been great to begin with. And America has been
struggle go with what greatness actually is. It's inception. There's
no way to make something that never was until we
get the history books correct about what happened to the natives,
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until we stop celerating celebrating buffoons for national holidays, for
getting lost and calling an entire indigenous people something that
they weren't. Until we deal with the simple fact that
we have the First Amendment, which is supposed to be
freedom of speech, and yet there's more fake news and
censorship in America than there was in Cold War Russia
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when Gorbatrov was going crazy listening to everybody's phone calls.
America had a problem, the wall came down, and then
the next thing, you know, we got the Patriot Act
and we're doing the same thing. I can speak about
a lot of things that don't speak to what it
is that we're actually supposed to be attaining.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I think that's the real Yeah, I'm coming up on
a little commercial break right here, I want to say,
because make America great again, is it assumes that it
was great at one point in time. And then on
the other hand, on the Obama side of it, you know,
we had this eight years, this moment that somehow America
had overcome her problems, but she did not overcome her
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problems just because he was elected. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior
listening to Jaguar right on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
I'm really excited that she's my guest. We have one
more segment. Look forward to talking with her. Jesse Jackson
to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. I'm so glad you're back.
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Our very special guest is none other than Jaguar Wright.
Beyond her musical contributions, right, is a vocal advocate for
ethical practices within the entertainment industry. Jaguar Welcome back to
the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Good to have you. Hold on a second, let me
get these windows rolled up, because this microphone picks up
everything on this headset. It's fabulous.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm glad you're with us. I love your integrity. I
love the fact that you're not afraid of the truth.
Are you afraid? I mean the attacks on your character,
the attacks on your personhood.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
The attacks on my life.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Attacks on your life? Are you afraid?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I stopped that a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
You know you could probably understand my response, and it
will be a scripture. Matthew six barely, I say unto you,
do not worry about your life. Don't worry about what
you shall eat, or what you shall drink, or what
you shot you'll wear. Because your father in Heaven knows
all the pagans. They weren't after these things. But see
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key first, the Kingdom of Heaven, all of God's righteousness
and everything that you have and you need shall be yours,
including safety.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
M minister. She said, she doesn't preach, but I know
the Bible like that, all y'all ministers out here, when
Jaguar comes for you, she ain't just talking. She didn't
read the book to a.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Few times in the hole too.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Oh yeah, at that moment where the book really makes
a lot of sense. Been there done that? Hey? Jack? Well,
let me ask you this question. When you think about
when you think about where where everything is going? Offer
for our listeners some hopes that there's some way that
there's a way out of this mess. And I know
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both of us are a long way from the hole.
So everything is the upside of life. When you come
out of that pit.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
God, that is all there is. The one thing that
I learned coming out of the pit is that there's
nothing but God, nothing, all of this, everything that we see,
everything around us, the people that we talk to, nothing
is real unless God is there. And that's really what
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I want to tell people like you know sometimes you know,
I'm on my YouTube channel and I'm talking to my audience,
and I'll just stop for a second and I'll say
all of these things we talk about, all of these
things that we're concerned about. Put a one in a chat.
If your problems are bigger than God, put a two
in the chat. If you know that God is bigger
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than your problems. And I just let the twos go.
And then I say, as Shay, let it be so
know that and when you live there there's no fear.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I also want to thank your producer for trusting me
with you for an hour, which is I don't trust
myself on a lot of Folks shows. And for our listeners,
this is my first opportunity to meet Jasmine, right. I
want her to be very comfortable on our show and
know that she is welcome back anytime. Jasmine, I don't
want to violate any of your confidences, but just before
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the break, before we began the show, you were sharing
that you're working on a very special project that really
came into existence within the last week or so, yeah circumstances.
Would you like to share it with our listeners.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
One of our greatest musical and artistic matriarchs took her
flight on Saturday exactly when no one knows because the
reports are not reporting, but our beloved Angie Stone our
b Angie B from Sequence, Our Angie Stone from Vertical Hold,
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the woman who was the force and the pin and
the mind behind the di'angelo Brown Sugar album, which is
undoubtedly one of the greatest neo soul masterpieces of all time.
We lost her and I am writing a tribute to
her life and everything that I learned from her and
everything that we all benefited from her. You know, neo soul,
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everyone wants to be the queen of this or the
queen of that. But if it wasn't for b Angie B,
there would be no Neil Soul.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
How special was she?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Amazing? Really amazing. I've been thinking about that last show
that me and her and let Usy did together in
Atlantic City, New Jersey at the show Boat Hotel early
two thousands, and a snowstorm was coming and they were
talking about whether or not we wanted to reschedule cancel.
(35:31):
What Angie said, I know my people are coming. That's
gonna make sure my people get here. And she went
to let us see and she said, let us see
you in and she said get you in. I'm in,
and she said, let me go get Jack. She said,
Jay you performing? I said, one monkey don't stop the show.
(35:53):
She said, well, then let's go. We gotta show. We
got people to get ready for they are on the way.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Baby, that's so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
And even though we had almost sold out the entire show,
I think we had missed like five tickets or something
to sold out, two thirds of that audience still came
in a snowstore to see Jaguar. Right. Let us see
an Angie Stone really triumphant night. And I'll never forget
the grace that she showed at the end of the
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night when the promoter wanted to play around with the
money and Angie, myself and let us see all took
pay cuts that night to make sure that our band
and our staff got paid.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And she looked at me and said, that's the that's
the cost you gotta pay to be the boss. You
gotta be willing to make sure everybody else gets paid
even if you don't. And that's just the kind of
performer she was. That's the kind of boss she was.
That's the kind of comrade she was. Meanwhile, she's sitting
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there still with the energy of one of us newbies
coming up underneath her, the same zeal, the same vigor
and she taught me a lot. Hold on to the
child like aspirations, but grow up fast and know how
to protect yourself. The simple fact that she started finally
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speaking out about who started robbing her and how long
they've been doing it, and that she said she was
going to go to get her money and now she's
gone three months later under duplicitous means we have to
do more. So I'm in the studio. I'm finishing it
up tonight. I can't wait for everyone to hear it.
You'll be able to contact my producer and get yourself early.
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Listen if you like. And yes, she's she's our special lady.
We're going to set the bar.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
We keep hearing this same story over and over and over.
A good again from Sam Cook started his to uh,
you know, to the East Coast versus the West Coast
and who controls people's rights? All that's going on? I mean,
why why why do we keep hearing the same stories
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from Prince to.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Angie, Michael Jackson? Why why hustle? Why?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Why? I mean, is there is there a way out
of how we're being hustled in the industry. We have
about three minutes before before.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Our show to see that picture.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
That's oh, well that's Cash Betel.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Okay, Yeah, that's that. That's going to be my way.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Mm hm hm hm wow. Okay, Well that right there
as industry why.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I got a dish track coming.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
I got a dish track coming, and I'm writing it
for everybody who's still lying about the freak offs.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
It's called get Low or get mo Oh. She can't
wait for everybody to hear it.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yes, he is Jaguar right, and she is unapologetically herself.
And for those of you who can't see the image
on YouTube, you need to download the program and share it.
Her screensaver or the green screen is among other than
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Cash Patel h looks like with the American flag and
his eyes wide open. Yeah, I'm looking for a problem
to us all.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Ooh, somebody put too much chili powder in the curry.
Cash is coming, baby, I told him. I'm about to
start me your whole new record label. I'm gonna call
it Cash Money platel Record. Yes, it is Lockdown Records.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Hei yo, Jaguar, thank you for joining me on the
Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Oh absolutely, and do me a favorite. Tell your mother,
I said, thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I promise that will I promise that thank.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You for everything that she's done, and your father as well.
But I mean, considering it's Women's Month and we're talking
about the matriarchy, I figured I'll to start with her,
send my regards to your father, but more importantly, thank you.
Thank you for being you.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Jaguar, thank you for being on our show. Look forward
to seeing you again.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. What a special guest for Women's
History Month, Jaguar Wright. An insight into her personality and
insight into her spirit, an insight into who she is
as a human being. I don't think TikTok does her justice.
I don't think all of these little snippets of reflective
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Jaguar ride discussing this or discussing that, none of which
I have knowledge of or an understanding of. But she
clearly does. She's a real person, a woman of faith,
and she's been our very special guest on The Jesse
Jackson Junior Show.
I'm Jefthory Jacklin Junior. Welcome to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
A very special guest today is Jackuar Wright. Jack wars
artn beat soul, neo soul singer, songwriter, advocate, and renowned
for her powerful vocals and canned commentary on the music industry.
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Born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Wright emerged from the city's vibrant
music scene in the late nineteen ninety She gained prominence
through collaborations with the Roots, contributing to their live performances
and recordings. Her dynamic stage present led to opportunities such
as performing alongside Jay Z during his two thousand and
one MTV Unplugged session. Wright's debut album, De Nials, Delusions
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and Decisions was released in two thousand and two, showcasing
her rich voice and honest lyrics. She is an extraordinary
woman Beyond her musical contributions. Right is a vocal advocate
for ethical practices within the entertainment industry. The process of
launching a nonprofit organization, Cruelty Free Artistry, dedicated to seeking
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justice for victims of sex crimes and human trafficking and
promoting integrity and respect in creative fields. Recently, she became
the recipient of the Defender of Freedom Award from America's
Future twenty twenty five. I retired General Mike Flynn Jaguar,
Welcome to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
That sounds awesome. Everything that's a great I sometimes I
forget everything that I do, and so it's nice to
hear it's spoken so eloquently.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Thank you. Well, I'm so I'm so honored that you're here,
and I must share with our listeners that this is
our first introduction and I'm particularly excited about that. I
had the great privilege of meeting your producer in between
one of my shows and he said, Hey, would you
guys like Jaguar write? I said, are you kidding? Of course,
(01:55):
I said, of course we would, And I'm welcoming you
to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, thank you to Woo Kang Alma day Is because
he is the producer extraordinary. And you know, I always
make a bad joke. I always talk about my girlfriend
Michelle A and she used to tell me Jack if
you want to have it all and you want to
have the great records, and you gotta get with the producer.
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And you know what, after all of these years, I
finally took her. I've never been happier.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You know. In this our first segment where we have
about two and a half, about about four minutes left,
share with us what you want the world to know
about Jaguar Wright, not what they perceive, not what they see.
Here with us your passion who you are.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'm a child of God.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
God delivered me from the Devil's mouth in exchange for
one reason and one purpose, to take from the devil
and give to who is good and most deserving. And
to make sure that God has always seen, no matter
how busy the devil is working, he has always seen.
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He is always there, he is always in the And
I've just tried to create my life to be a
representation of the fact that what I'm doing is not
on my bad and doing what God has called me
to do. And considering your very rich legacy, I think
you know exactly what I need.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I certainly do. So it's really interesting that you see
your work as a ministry.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, I don't like using that word.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I don't even dirty word dirty word, but it's a calling.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, I mean, ministry is literally just right across the
street from a cult. I've been called both.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So the the world is in a very very interesting place.
There's this great al there's this great debate over what
is real, what is not real, what constitutes the truth?
How you process the truth. And obviously I have a
courage that is unusual, that is speaking truth to power,
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to very very powerful people here with us. How you
process that truth and the source of that truth. I
think you've shared it when you said God, but there's
more there. There's more to it. I think that our
listeners would love to hear.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It starts with God. But then there's this thing that
I have that I started developing like really acutely, and
it's called integrity. I'm an integral person. I believe that
anything that lacks integrity will break down. Period. If there
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is a lack of integrity in it, whether it takes
five years or five hundred years, it's going to break down.
And what we have to learn how to do in
America is stop trying to create something new out of
what we already know. Is there that's not working, that's
not effective, and we have to level it out and
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create a new build. And we do that with integrity
and for me with the calling that God has put
on my heart and everything that I saw. You know,
it's so funny. I'm about to start working on my
memoir for my life and it's called God's Secret Shopper.
And that's how I've always felt in my life. God
has always put me in places where I shouldn't have been.
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Where Why is this happening in front of me? Why
am I the person? But then I realized He did
it so that I could come back to him and
let him know what's going on in that shop so
he can do the appropriate thing. And I like that.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson
Junior Show. My very special guest is Jaguar Wright. When
we come forward, we're going to dig deeper into the
source of her power.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
From Jesse Jacksline Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson
Junior Show. My very special guest is none other than
Neil Soul, singer and songwriter and advocate Jaguar Wright. Jaguar
Welcome back to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
A very hungry Jaguar.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
How are you welcome back? You know I was thinking
about about the source of your power. God, you talked
about integrity, but we also witness on a daily basis
with extraordinary media platform that you have courage. And this
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is Women's History Month, we've seen African American women emerge,
not only through the Kamala Harris campaign, but quite frankly,
from my political perspective, since black women overwhelmingly voted for
the sister in this race, they asserted themselves in a
way that they've never really asserted themselves before. So it's
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in the ether. It's in the ether the Democratic Party,
it's in the ether in the Republican Party. This courage
that black women have that has always been there during
this Black History Month, if you could speak to that
courage for us, it would be Black History Month, Women's
History Month. I would appreciate you speaking to that courage.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Well, for so many years, the patriarchy has fought very
hard to keep the matriarchy in a respectable place. You know,
last year there was a woman a faith, a minister,
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and a bunch of her fellow male pastors voted to
have taken down from the pullpit on her church because
they didn't think that as a woman, it sent a
good message as a leader is.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
This Ebney Marshall Urman over at Abyssinian m very familiar
with his story.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And no one really talked about that. Everyone just kind
of let that go by. And you know, for your
father too, have been one of our greatest American inspirational
leaders because that's what he did. He inspired us. You know,
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when I think about I have a dream. He wasn't
just speaking for men. He wasn't just he was speaking
for all people. You know, And even when we look
at references in the Bible and it says he, what
it really means is they. Women have so often been
cut out of history as an attache or as an
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ad bonus. You know, nobody looks at the fact that
in the Obama dynamic, it was Michelle who was really
the trailblazer that made it possible for her husband to
walk through certain doors. And even now with her leaving
full on public life, people tend to forget the contribution
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that she made the making that happen. But then again,
and not just with black men women, would Bill Clinton
have really been the president that he was or made
it as far as he did without Hillary. Hillary was
really the political mind. Hillary was the political animal. Hillary
came from the legacy, you know. So I think in America,
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you know, we have this saying behind every great man, right,
there's a great woman, right? Why is she behind the man?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Wow? Good point.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Why does she have to be behind the man? Why
can't she be beside him? Because they are two halves
of the same coin. And I think what's happening now
that the patriarchy side has become so dull and so convoluted,
the side that has been hidden has now become the
one that is most pronounced. It's no different than any coin.
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The side that has had more action and more attraction,
it gets worn down beside that's not particularly It can
look sometimes close to brand new, and though women speaking
out boldly seems like it's new, No it's not. It's
just a different side of the coin that is now
being forced to the front.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And I'm grateful for it, and rightfully so, you know,
let me share with you a little bit of my experience.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
If any of that made any sense.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Of course it did. And the example that I was
going to give my mother was my special guest on
the program this past Monday for Women's History Month, and
for an hour and a half she spent with me
and with our listener. She blew up social media because
she offered an insight into how she met Jesse Jackson
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and on college campus and he was of course. She said,
they had milwalk essentially through a gauntlet in order to
get to the canteen, and he was standing there, you know, hey,
and he turned to her and said, you're gonna marry me,
and my mother turned him and said, you better, you
better remember you made that promise. That's how they met, right.
(11:34):
But it's my mother who met with President Yasir Era
Fat of the PLO, the whole Gaza West Bank issue.
It's my mother who was with Anwar Sadat in Egypt
just months before he was shot and killed. It's my
mother who knew the president of Libya, who was who
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was killed. It's my mother who knew Fidel Castoral. Right.
She was the international player behind Jesse Jackson. And so
by the time Jesse Jackson is going around the world
saving hostages and meeting people on the international scene, my
mother had already been there. No fanfare, no press. He
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got all the press and all of the light. To
your point, she was behind him, she was side him.
And that which is convoluted on the front side is
now become the backside of the same court. I really
get it. I think that's really really something profound that
you said. Let me just share with you a little
bit of my experience when I when I went to prison,
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my family was falling apart, and I was in a
lot of trouble mentally, emotionally, I mean falling off of
a big mountain congress, and I ended up in a valley.
It's my mother who writes me a letter every day
while I'm in prison. Strength. She gives me courage, and
it was also her own form of therapy. And while
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in prison, because of my mother's strength, because she assumed
the role of that strong maternal, if you will, matriarchical figure,
she closed a gap for me that no man, not
even my father, could provide.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Emotionally, there is something that a praying mother off. When
a praying mother goes to work everything, there's nothing that
can stop nothing that can stop a praying mother.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, I have this interesting question for you. I now
understand better from our initial conversation why you have decided
not in your ministry, but in your calling, in your
in the structure of your being to bring forward the
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abuse issues that women face in the industry. Yes, probably
every industry right ye. But the one that you have
said is the one that you are, I mean, the
nation's champion of is the silent abuse that has been
taking place in our community. And without getting into that
which is legal and already, the question is about your
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courage and your strength. Why did you decide this is
what I have to do?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Well. I was forced to do something that your mother
never had to do. I had to look at my
son on a slab, not breathing, lips buttoned up tight,
and before it was time for us to put him
in that furnace to collapse down, what was left behind
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after his spirit took flight. I was forced to deal
with one thing. I was there at the beginning of
this person's life. I am here at the end of
this person's life. This person came from me. What did
I do to make this happen?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Oh? Wow, I'm getting emotional about this.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I yeah, yeah. And my son refused a Rock Nation contract,
and the young man that took his life, that was
six years younger than him, was trying to get one mmm.
And I thought about every rap record that I worked on,
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that promoted the culture that took my son's life. I
thought about every every concert I went to, all of
the girls when I turned my head, when I knew
exactly what's going to happen to them when they went
into that hotel room, and I was told to be
quiet if I wanted to keep my spot. All of
those compromising choices help feed the furnace on the vanity
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bonfire that I had to put my son's body into
m no more.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Well, you know I didn't want to. I didn't I
did better, blah blah blah blah blah. I just didn't know.
And so I'm sorry that we even it's my testimony.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It's my testimony.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
My mother told me, no test no testimony, and I
get it. I get it now.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
The word it's the root word in this. You gotta
have a test to have a testimony. And see, that's
where God lives in the detail of that test. And
the worst the test, the greater God is at the end,
because when God puts his hand on something, it goes
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down the world where it looks like there's no way
it could have happened, ever could have happened. Not that
person this can't be what are you talking about? And
then God comes in and then everybody's like, I love
when God gets a working Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I remind people all the time that when I was
thrown in solitary confinement for three days for.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Help, I know exactly what you've been through.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
A hole is a beast. I mean, you're talking about
your head and all you can do is listen to
the spirit and God speaks to you in ways that
you can't hear until in the whole. It's it's a
deep kind of thing. But I came out a new
person when I am not in that space. My ministry changed,
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my relationships changed, my relationship with my parents, with my siblings.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
With the world, my world.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Outlook changed, and I came out determined more than ever
to champion the idea that no one should ever find
themselves in a hole, not like that.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
HM.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
And there's an empathy that I developed for men who
had been down that journey and now obviously women who
had been down that journey that I had never experienced before.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Look At how extraordinary that is. You know, people always
say to me, I don't know how you do it.
I don't know how you've survived all of these things.
I don't know how you made it. I don't know
how you made it through this, that and the third,
and so and so on and so forth. And I
tell them all the time, my life and my outlook
has changed. I no longer see problems. I only acknowledged
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circumstances my life. I've turned it into a puzzle. I
love puzzles, and the best part about it is what
fits fits what doesn't. But when you get all of
the pieces together, finally get to see the whole picture.
And that's what my life and my work is, putting
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little pieces of the puzzle together section bisection, seeing which
one's length, which ones don't, so that I can finally
show people the whole picture of why God made me.
M M. I tell people a lot of time. If
you got a problem with me, then you better go
to the manufacturer, because God made me.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Got to preach right there, JACKO, let me ask you
a question. Let me take a turn to to the
freedom award. Obviously, because you stepped forward, we have three
minutes before before the break, and obviously we have two
more seconds. But when you receive the freedom award, one,
how did that make you feel? And share with us.
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The context of how you came into the Freedom Award.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I can't even tell you. Our has gump my way there,
I promise you.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I was playing ping pong and the next thing you know,
I was a national hero.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I only came for the food in the swag. But
the truth is is up until just a couple of
days before, I didn't even know I was being honored.
I was there to be a part of the effort
and to stand with America's future because the President has
made it very clear to General Flynn that the as
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we call it, the teleporting of the little people and
the big people, it has to stop. And if we
got to grab them all up and get them down
there to Gimo, and that's just what we're going to do.
And then my producer went back and read the email.
He said, honey, and I said what he said, they're
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giving you an award. I said, who he's an America's future.
They're giving you an award, I said, they are. Liz
didn't tell me that because my friend Liz Croaking God
bless her, she's the one that nominated me to be
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recognized by the organization. And then come to find out
that Mary Flynn, General Flynn's sister. She was a big
fan of mine. I didn't even know. And the reason
why was because of all of my commentary that I
did on the Blue Couch speaking out against Ditty. And
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the reason why is because she has her own issue
with Ditty. Her son was signed to one of Ditty's guys,
d MAC, and went through many abuses, and then when
d MAC and Ditty were done with them, they passed
them off to Travis Barker, who went in even further
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on him. Now he didn't pass like my son did.
Both of our sons were affected. And she's been rooting
me on in the backdrop all of this time because
she wants Diddy and all of his friends gone no
different than I do. When a Republican and someone raised
a Democrat both to mothers see their children in pain
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and agony or lose their children, it creates a bond
that nobody could possibly have. That empathy that you were
talking about from the whole it's the same thing with mothers.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson
Junior Show. When we come forward, we'll be listening. We'll
be listening to unapologetically Jaguar Wright. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior.
Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. My very
special guest is Jaguar Wright, American R and B and
neo soul singer, songwriter advocate, renowned for her powerful vocals,
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candid commentary on the music industry beyond her musical contributions
right as a vocal advocate for ethical practices with any
entertainment industry. She's in the process of launching a nonprofit organization,
Cruelty Free Artistry, dedicated to seeking justice for victims of
sex crimes and human trafficking. We are learning a lot
about Jaguar right today, and this is my first time
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meeting Jaguar. Jaguar Welcome back to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I'm having a bald just sit here with you. I'm
learning a lot about you.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'm I'm so glad that you're here. You know, I
want to go back to Michael Flynn because I've got
history right. As you know, I was in the Congress
of the United States for seventeen years. My family has
been in social activism for a number of years, and
Michael Flynn's freedom award as a historian. I have a
(23:55):
law degree. I have written books on American and after
a Frican American history. I think about freedom from white folks. Right,
let me just get it real, four minute I think
about I saw a movie before Black History Month. I
saw Roots one more time. When Chicken George was talking
on July fourth, he said, white folks, they should been Lucasaginia.
(24:15):
They show celebrate their freedom. I'm so happy they free
free from them other white folks in Britain. Of course,
he was a slave talking about their freedom. So there's
this debate over freedom between white folks absolutely and the slave.
You know, matriarchy, patriarchy. But then in our context versus master,
both of us have a definition of freedom. We want
(24:37):
to get off the plantation. Their definition of freedom is
we got the right to own you and you're our property. Right.
Then there's the Confederacy, we got the right to keep
our slaves in our states and the Union. We think
you don't have that right. So you know, women, you know,
women believe and I believe they should have controlled over
their own bodies. But then some folks believe we got
(24:59):
the right to tell you what the do it your body.
I mean, so this debate over freedom is ongoing debate
that has taken place. And I found this interesting quote.
Uh oh, Behabraham Lee. I just want to read it
to you. He says, we all declare for liberty, but
in using the same word, we do not mean the
same thing. With some, the word liberty may mean for
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each man to do as he pleases with himself and
the product of his labor, while others the same word
may mean for some to do with other men or
women as they choose to do with other men or
women and the product of their labor. He says, here
are too, not only different but incompatible things called by
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the same name liberty. And it follows that each of
these things is, by the respective parties, called two different
names and incompatible names, liberty and tyranny. Again, I told
you I have a little bit of history with Michael Flynn, Right,
he says, you know, I'm giving jag whar Right the
freedom award. I'm saying to myself, is this freedom to
(26:08):
be free? Or is this freedom under this definition? And
by that I mean General C. Q. Brown, for example,
was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff two
weeks ago he ain't never done nothing wrong but be
a good soldier, got most stars on his shoulder than
anybody on earth, right, and they replaced him with this
white guy. The brother didn't do want replaced him as
(26:30):
chairman the Joint chiefs of Staff. He got four stars
on his but he said Donald Trump. The white guy
said to Donald Trump, I'll kill anybody for you. Man,
I'll kill anybody for you. Well, the brother never said that. Also,
I'm trying to figure out the definition of freedom that
we should embrace, Jaguar, and how you interpret freedom, because
(26:52):
when I listened to you on social media and on programs,
I want to say to myself, that's sister right there
is speaking for me, it really, but I need to
know if your definition of freedom is the definition that
that fits freedom struggle, Well say it.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Let me start by quoting my fellow tarian patriarch when
it comes to keeping its straight talk, Malcolm X. The
only true freedom is death.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Mm hmm. That sounds like a give me liberty or
give me death by Patrick Henry yeah, or.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Fifty cent Curtis Jackson, get rich or die trying mmm
the same principle.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Mmm.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I'm not trying to do either. To be absent from
the body is to be present with the Lord. I
don't think anybody can give me the kind of freedom
that I want. But the issue is when we use
the word freedom, what are we getting free from?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think a lot of people have a problem with
the moniker make America great Again, and I can understand why,
because it's very clever, just like the Baracobama hope the
audacity of hope. When you use that phrase, both of
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them are incorrect if you look at them integrally. And
I'm an artist and a writer, and I'm a confirmed
and published writer, so I take words very seriously. And
when I think of the audacity of hope and then
make America great again, they're both false because in order
(28:52):
to make something great again, it would have had to
have been great to begin with. And America has been
struggle go with what greatness actually is. It's inception. There's
no way to make something that never was until we
get the history books correct about what happened to the natives,
(29:14):
until we stop celerating celebrating buffoons for national holidays, for
getting lost and calling an entire indigenous people something that
they weren't. Until we deal with the simple fact that
we have the First Amendment, which is supposed to be
freedom of speech, and yet there's more fake news and
censorship in America than there was in Cold War Russia
(29:36):
when Gorbatrov was going crazy listening to everybody's phone calls.
America had a problem, the wall came down, and then
the next thing, you know, we got the Patriot Act
and we're doing the same thing. I can speak about
a lot of things that don't speak to what it
is that we're actually supposed to be attaining.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I think that's the real Yeah, I'm coming up on
a little commercial break right here, I want to say,
because make America great again, is it assumes that it
was great at one point in time. And then on
the other hand, on the Obama side of it, you know,
we had this eight years, this moment that somehow America
had overcome her problems, but she did not overcome her
(30:16):
problems just because he was elected. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior
listening to Jaguar right on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
I'm really excited that she's my guest. We have one
more segment. Look forward to talking with her. Jesse Jackson
to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. I'm so glad you're back.
(30:38):
Our very special guest is none other than Jaguar Wright.
Beyond her musical contributions, right, is a vocal advocate for
ethical practices within the entertainment industry. Jaguar Welcome back to
the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Good to have you. Hold on a second, let me
get these windows rolled up, because this microphone picks up
everything on this headset. It's fabulous.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm glad you're with us. I love your integrity. I
love the fact that you're not afraid of the truth.
Are you afraid? I mean the attacks on your character,
the attacks on your personhood.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
The attacks on my life.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Attacks on your life? Are you afraid?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I stopped that a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
M hm.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
You know you could probably understand my response, and it
will be a scripture. Matthew six barely, I say unto you,
do not worry about your life. Don't worry about what
you shall eat, or what you shall drink, or what
you shot you'll wear. Because your father in Heaven knows
all the pagans. They weren't after these things. But see
(31:44):
key first, the Kingdom of Heaven, all of God's righteousness
and everything that you have and you need shall be yours,
including safety.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
M minister. She said, she doesn't preach, but I know
the Bible like that, all y'all ministers out here, when
Jaguar comes for you, she ain't just talking. She didn't
read the book to a.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Few times in the hole too.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Oh yeah, at that moment where the book really makes
a lot of sense. Been there done that? Hey? Jack? Well,
let me ask you this question. When you think about
when you think about where where everything is going? Offer
for our listeners some hopes that there's some way that
there's a way out of this mess. And I know
(32:31):
both of us are a long way from the hole.
So everything is the upside of life. When you come
out of that pit.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
God, that is all there is. The one thing that
I learned coming out of the pit is that there's
nothing but God, nothing, all of this, everything that we see,
everything around us, the people that we talk to, nothing
is real unless God is there. And that's really what
(32:59):
I want to tell people like you know sometimes you know,
I'm on my YouTube channel and I'm talking to my audience,
and I'll just stop for a second and I'll say
all of these things we talk about, all of these
things that we're concerned about. Put a one in a chat.
If your problems are bigger than God, put a two
in the chat. If you know that God is bigger
(33:20):
than your problems. And I just let the twos go.
And then I say, as Shay, let it be so
know that and when you live there there's no fear.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I also want to thank your producer for trusting me
with you for an hour, which is I don't trust
myself on a lot of Folks shows. And for our listeners,
this is my first opportunity to meet Jasmine, right. I
want her to be very comfortable on our show and
know that she is welcome back anytime. Jasmine, I don't
want to violate any of your confidences, but just before
(33:59):
the break, before we began the show, you were sharing
that you're working on a very special project that really
came into existence within the last week or so, yeah circumstances.
Would you like to share it with our listeners.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
One of our greatest musical and artistic matriarchs took her
flight on Saturday exactly when no one knows because the
reports are not reporting, but our beloved Angie Stone our
b Angie B from Sequence, Our Angie Stone from Vertical Hold,
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the woman who was the force and the pin and
the mind behind the di'angelo Brown Sugar album, which is
undoubtedly one of the greatest neo soul masterpieces of all time.
We lost her and I am writing a tribute to
her life and everything that I learned from her and
everything that we all benefited from her. You know, neo soul,
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everyone wants to be the queen of this or the
queen of that. But if it wasn't for b Angie B,
there would be no Neil Soul.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
How special was she?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Amazing? Really amazing. I've been thinking about that last show
that me and her and let Usy did together in
Atlantic City, New Jersey at the show Boat Hotel early
two thousands, and a snowstorm was coming and they were
talking about whether or not we wanted to reschedule cancel.
(35:31):
What Angie said, I know my people are coming. That's
gonna make sure my people get here. And she went
to let us see and she said, let us see
you in and she said get you in. I'm in,
and she said, let me go get Jack. She said,
Jay you performing? I said, one monkey don't stop the show.
(35:53):
She said, well, then let's go. We gotta show. We
got people to get ready for they are on the way.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Baby, that's so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
And even though we had almost sold out the entire show,
I think we had missed like five tickets or something
to sold out, two thirds of that audience still came
in a snowstore to see Jaguar. Right. Let us see
an Angie Stone really triumphant night. And I'll never forget
the grace that she showed at the end of the
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night when the promoter wanted to play around with the
money and Angie, myself and let us see all took
pay cuts that night to make sure that our band
and our staff got paid.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
And she looked at me and said, that's the that's
the cost you gotta pay to be the boss. You
gotta be willing to make sure everybody else gets paid
even if you don't. And that's just the kind of
performer she was. That's the kind of boss she was.
That's the kind of comrade she was. Meanwhile, she's sitting
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there still with the energy of one of us newbies
coming up underneath her, the same zeal, the same vigor
and she taught me a lot. Hold on to the
child like aspirations, but grow up fast and know how
to protect yourself. The simple fact that she started finally
(37:23):
speaking out about who started robbing her and how long
they've been doing it, and that she said she was
going to go to get her money and now she's
gone three months later under duplicitous means we have to
do more. So I'm in the studio. I'm finishing it
up tonight. I can't wait for everyone to hear it.
You'll be able to contact my producer and get yourself early.
(37:45):
Listen if you like. And yes, she's she's our special lady.
We're going to set the bar.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
We keep hearing this same story over and over and over.
A good again from Sam Cook started his to uh,
you know, to the East Coast versus the West Coast
and who controls people's rights? All that's going on? I mean,
why why why do we keep hearing the same stories
(38:13):
from Prince to.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Angie, Michael Jackson? Why why hustle? Why?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Why? I mean, is there is there a way out
of how we're being hustled in the industry. We have
about three minutes before before.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Our show to see that picture.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
That's oh, well that's Cash Betel.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Okay, Yeah, that's that. That's going to be my way.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Mm hm hm hm wow. Okay, Well that right there
as industry why.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I got a dish track coming.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
I got a dish track coming, and I'm writing it
for everybody who's still lying about the freak offs.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
It's called get Low or get mo Oh. She can't
wait for everybody to hear it.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yes, he is Jaguar right, and she is unapologetically herself.
And for those of you who can't see the image
on YouTube, you need to download the program and share it.
Her screensaver or the green screen is among other than
(39:36):
Cash Patel h looks like with the American flag and
his eyes wide open. Yeah, I'm looking for a problem
to us all.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Ooh, somebody put too much chili powder in the curry.
Cash is coming, baby, I told him. I'm about to
start me your whole new record label. I'm gonna call
it Cash Money platel Record. Yes, it is Lockdown Records.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Hei yo, Jaguar, thank you for joining me on the
Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Oh absolutely, and do me a favorite. Tell your mother,
I said, thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I promise that will I promise that thank.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
You for everything that she's done, and your father as well.
But I mean, considering it's Women's Month and we're talking
about the matriarchy, I figured I'll to start with her,
send my regards to your father, but more importantly, thank you.
Thank you for being you.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Jaguar, thank you for being on our show. Look forward
to seeing you again.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. What a special guest for Women's
History Month, Jaguar Wright. An insight into her personality and
insight into her spirit, an insight into who she is
as a human being. I don't think TikTok does her justice.
I don't think all of these little snippets of reflective
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Jaguar ride discussing this or discussing that, none of which
I have knowledge of or an understanding of. But she
clearly does. She's a real person, a woman of faith,
and she's been our very special guest on The Jesse
Jackson Junior Show.
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