KCAA: Jeff Santos (Fri, 7 Nov, 2025)

KCAA: Jeff Santos on Fri, 7 Nov, 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So expect the unexpected.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Lie.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
This is the Jeff Santo Show on the Revolution Radio Network,
Rebuilding America together, invest in activism and supporting the middle class.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Now here's Jeff, Thank you Kevin, and good afternoon Americans,
and welcome to the Jeff Santo Show. It is great

(01:07):
to be with you on this day after a massive
victory for the Democratic Party and progressives in general.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
What a night it was, folks, what a night it was.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
We are very excited to be talking a day after
what you know, some people thought could be losses in
Pennsylvania or New Jersey for governor. Well they all came
back and they all kicked ass, and that was excellent,
excellent night. Many of you may not have listened to
us as we were in California, you know, from one

(01:43):
end of the state to the other, some forty million
people that we were trying to get to listen, and
of course so a lot of competition, but very excited
about the opportunity to be on both KSFO and San Francisco,
which goes to Santa Barbara and and east to Reno, Nevada,
and then of course KBC from the Mexican border up

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to Santa Barbara, so we covered the entire state.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Very excited about that.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
We'll bring you snippets of those interviews over the next
couple of days. Yours truly will be taking Friday off,
so we'll give you a best of on Friday and
look forward to getting back on Monday and kind of
a new a new grouping regrouping of sorts, because we're
all focused on these elections of course, and getting you know,

(02:30):
some of these progressive stars. Mon Donnie, my god, what
an amazing speech last night. Gavin Newsom as well, so
you know, and again the two governors are two woman governors,
Virginia and New Jersey. Also fascinating, particularly New Jersey because
a lot of people, you know, thought that it was

(02:51):
going to be you know, nip and tuck, and it was.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
It was not anything close.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
It was a blowout, an early victory speech for again
Mikey Cheryl in New Jersey, so kudos to her. And
of course our listing audience now includes New York, New Jersey,
so we'll be hopefully in getting in touch with her
over the coming days and weeks as she looks to

(03:17):
take office I believe in early January, so it's going
to be fascinating to see.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
How all of this folds.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
But we will be chatting with a number of people
today who have some opinions on that. We'll start with
Harold Myerson, of course, the fantastic editor at large of
the American Prospects usually here on Monday, but with last
night's elections, want to get some analysis from somebody who's
not only a great journalist, but a progressive journalist. So
we'll talk to Harold at three point thirty Eastern time.

(03:49):
Then at four o'clock another progressive, this time from the
Great Organization of Social Security Works. Their executive director Alex Lawson,
will be with us at four h six. Then at
four point thirty we hope to have John Nichols, but.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
We have the.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Video of Harrol Myerson standing by in case John can't
get out of a meeting in time. We don't want
to do what we did yesterday, where it was kind
of nip and tuck as we go, so we'll make
that decision, you know, before four to thirty Eastern and
at five o'clock minus his partner in crime, Larry Korb,
will join us, of course, the senior fellow at the

(04:31):
Center of American Progress former Reagan Deputy Defense Secretary. We'll
be joining us probably for the hour, not sure. We
may end up, you know, putting an interview in there
in the final fifteen minutes, maybe Gary South, who was
fantastic last night, in case you didn't miss him. In
case you missed him, we have a really understanding of

(04:54):
what happened in California and what the impact is for
the rest of the country. So we'll get the political
consult and who was a senior advisor to the former governor,
Gray Davis coming up in a probably at about five
forty five Eastern time, So we get lots.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
To do tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
I know we have Martin O'Malley, her boyd Mark Taylor
Canfield will join us, and we're also going to be
talking again to Lee Blackman of.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
The sciu Nage.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Want to get her back and how the Democrats maybe
change the momentum to get these federal government workers paid
and get snap benefits.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Taken care of two.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
So we'll talk with Lee tomorrow, and we're looking to
have Martin O'Malley and Jim Roosevelt for the hour that's
not yet confirmed, that hopefully we can make that happen
as well again, Friday will be off folks. Best of
We've got a lot of stuff from the last few
days though that I think will We'll let your appetite
for Friday and we'll be back live on Monday, now

(05:54):
live that is on Monday. Eight three three five four
five three three is the phone number to join us again.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Eight three three five four five five three three three.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
A couple a couple of things, folks that I want
to emphasize. The news coverage which was at some points
on MSNBC very good, particularly their you know, their late
night folks that were on, Simone Sanders who came from

(06:27):
the Weekend Show, Chris Hayes was very good, Rachel Mattow
of course, their their entire panel was very good, but
their morning and afternoons not so much. And they had
on Frank Lunch today. I think it was Katie Turr.

(06:48):
You know, look, we don't need to have the the
doomsday machine. And mister Luntz, who is well known for,
you know, basically throwing track. This is the guy that
came up with the idea of the estate tax and
called it death tax. This is the guy who said
that you know, Donald Trump wasn't going to do anything,

(07:12):
you know, to put ice people on their troops and
all that. Now he's on MSNBC today talking about the
fact that, oh, I'm very scared because now we have
both sides. They're not talking to each other and this
is really scary. But where were you when nice situation developed.
We weren't talking about it. Then, you know, this is
what all hypocrites. They're overpaid folks that end up ended

(07:35):
up trying to be the mainstream. Look, we found out
last night that Democrats. Democrats won because they stuck to
their ideals. Their ideals that started with FDR, that continued
through the likes of Bernie Sanders. And you have a
rising star in mister Mundani. Yes I understand, he was
born in Africa, you know, in Uganda, so he can't

(07:57):
be president, but he could be an influential person as
powerful as Bernie Sanders, who hasn't become president yet but
has created the FDR roadmap all over again. And that
is how you build movements. The person who is the
president isn't necessarily the person who is the movement starter.

(08:19):
So that's why I have been equally impressed with Gavin
Newsom because you know he didn't start the fire in
terms of his politics, but he was the one that
stepped at the plate and said I will take on Trump.
I will not allow him to come into my state
and bully us. And you know, even though there were

(08:41):
ice folks in LA, it didn't last very long. And
between Karen Bass, the fine mayor of Los Angeles, and
Gavin Newsom, they stood tall, and you know, and and
he continues to go after Trump, you know, in a peaceful,
non violent way, of course, and doing it by by

(09:01):
you know, jabbing him online on all the different platforms,
Blue Sky, x, et cetera. And that's awesome. You know,
that's what it should be. It's democracy at action. It's
not a one way street. And again I've been saying
the whole time, you fight back, you push back peacefully,
non violent. That is how the Democrats needs to do it.

(09:23):
And you saw if you had a chance to listen
to Mondani last night or watches his speech, which I did,
it was remarkable. And if you can't, if you can't
get excited about a young man, you know, who speaks
several languages. I know he's only a few words on

(09:43):
a few of them, but still impressive. For with thirty
three years old, whatever he is. People are making comparisons
to La Guardia, And I know Harold Myerson has that
thought process too, being a diverse individual. And you know
you're gonna be you gotta be a pretty good mayor
if you get an airport named after you. That's the
way I look at it. But I think you gotta

(10:06):
you gotta think the Democrats, you know. And I heard
Messina talking today about the former Obama aid. You know,
I agree with him in the sense that we shouldn't
be thinking ourselves as a conservative or or a progressive
or a centrist party. The point is is that the

(10:27):
American people need an opposition party to the current occupant
of the White House that is not a Republican light party.
So you can't be a conservative party, mister Messina. You
cannot be a just a little bit to the left
of the Republican Party. You have to be an FDR
Democrat if you're not an FDR Democrat and talking about

(10:51):
healthcare for all, talking about education for all, to get
our population to the point where we're competitive with our
friends across Europe and across Asia, that's what you want,
and you can't do that with private donations to have
some kid go to college, or privatizing these charter schools
at take again the best twenty kids from the urban

(11:14):
centers of America and say oh, well look we're doing
it this way. Well what about the rest of the kids.
They're in the sewer. If you will, let charter schools
do it. That's why I talk about public schools all
the time on this show. That's why the California Teachers
Association were on again last night. We'll play that later
on in the next couple of days. You know, I'm

(11:35):
so angry with this because you get this this BS artist,
it's lunch and these folks that come on and say, oh, well,
now you've got to go into the road because the
progressors are now very very passionate about what they want
to do, and you get the conservators and they're going
to be violenced. No what Gavin Newsom proved, and he

(11:56):
had a blowout win last night, it is the act
that you have a situation where the Democratic Party, the
Democratic Party understands that they have something special. We're going
to play this a little bit later. Our good friend
sent this to me. It's Jamie Raskin talking about the

(12:21):
Roosevelt way with Mamdani and how Mamdani is following the
Roosevelt path.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
You know, he's not following the.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Democratic socialist path, which is a small part of American
You know, there are some good Democratic Socialists.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
We'll have them on, but they basically fall in the
FDR path.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
It's like Working Families Party and so on and so
forth in New York, which we look to have on too.
But the point is is that the Democratic Party is
the only party that can raise enough money, organize enough
people to oppose the current Republican Party. Now, I don't
know what's going to happen in fifty or one hundred years,

(13:02):
maybe all different. I'll forget, we had the Whigs and
the Democrats in the eighteen fifties and then all of
a sudden came Abe Lincoln and the Republican Party appeared.
So all that could change. But right now there's only
one opposition party, and that opposition.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Party is the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
And they got to be bold, they got to be strong,
and they can't vacillate because some people in power, looking
at polls that basically don't make a sense, don't make
any kind of understanding of the current moment, where were
the polls? And I love posters. David Paleologus good friend

(13:39):
of mine. He's on He's one of the best posters
in the country. Not the best, but like a lot
of people. They had as a five point race or
less with Sheryl and and Ciderellian New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
What happened there, because.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
You're not pulling a lot of people who are angry,
who are annoyed, who don't feel like they are being
paid attention to, you know. Just to bring this to
another point about the issue of houselessness or homelessness, I
never forget about this. This is about thirty years ago
and I was living in Washington, DC, early nineties. It's
a huge homeless issue, as there still is in a

(14:16):
lot of major American cities. But I remember talking to
and I used to, you know, give them food and
so on and so forth. And I would actually talk
to some of these folks. And the one individual who
was near I think it was Farragut North in Washington,
d C.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
The metro stop, and.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
I walked around him because otherwise I would have tripped
and potentially fallen if I didn't, and he looked at
me and he said, and I said, I'm sorry, and
he says, well, thank you for saying that, because people
ignore me. And the worst thing you can do to
a person who's homeless or houseless is ignored them. And

(15:00):
that's what a lot of American voters and non voters
have felt. So the Democratic Party and a person like Mandani,
a person like Avenuwsom, and we've seen this other Pritzker
and the two candidates who now are governors elect in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
And New Jersey. I think they understand that too.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
I think a lot of Democrats understand it that you
got to talk to them, you got to communicate with
working class voters. Look, we know we had them on
about I don't know a month ago or so or
three weeks ago. Tony Cabral, the representative from New Bedford, Massachusetts.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
You know who.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
New Bedford is close to Fall River, and Fall River
for the first time in one hundred years, went for
Donald Trump in twenty twenty four. That was the straw
that broke the camel's back. That was the fact that
if you're losing a working class district like that, you
know that things are very, very sad, and they're going

(16:04):
downhill rather quickly. So the Democrats understand that, and I
think they Democrats sort of outside of Washington understand that
there are still some in the DC leadership, still some
in the Democratic Party as a whole that need to

(16:25):
wake up. I think last night was a wake up
call not only to the Republicans but for the Democrats
as well. And I really feel that if the Democrats
continue to be on the bold progressive FDR path, will
be the majority party that we should have been over
the last twenty or thirty years. If you vacillate and

(16:48):
play the middle of the road game. And there's again
Jim high Tower said, nothing in the middle of the
road except dead Armadillo's and two yellow lines. I think
that's a great one to live by. That's how I feel.
Let's open up the phone lines at eight three three
five four five five three three three and talk to
our good friend John in Minneapolis. And I think they're

(17:09):
going to do a runoff for mayor. What is the latest,
mister John in your fine city?

Speaker 5 (17:15):
Oh yeah, yes, Well, unfortunately Frey did on the second
count got a clear majority, so he is our He's
the third term mayor.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
So yeah, okay, but I think that.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Fata has a long road ahead of him. And I
don't think that Frey can ignore the issues that Omar
and the other people that ran against him. You know,
he can't afford to ignore those issues like housing and

(17:59):
childcare are and the things of this nature that you know. Unfortunately,
Jacob Fray seems to be a typical centrist, you know, Democrat,
and he does exactly that. He kind of triangulates and

(18:20):
he pays a lot of homage to the police department,
I believe, also to the police union, which I'm a
union person, but they're more like a mafia really, and
they kind of dictate to the city, you know, the
people here how we should live, and most of them

(18:41):
do not live in the city, so they're kind of
our ice in a way, built in to the city infrastructure.

Speaker 6 (18:51):
And you know, there are other.

Speaker 7 (18:53):
People in the city.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
My own city council person one very handily and he
is a true prossive and he did it without any
you know, advertising and whatnot. He has a very strong base.
He keeps in touch with.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
All the people well, you know, the city councilors.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
John around the country, Board of Supervisors in California, in
a place like San Francisco as an example. They call
him that because these are really you know, boots on
the ground kind of positions. Is not a lot of money,
and thankfully there isn't because you don't want to have
you know, board of supervisors basically being rubber stamps, you know,

(19:37):
for the one percent. So that's a good thing. I
want to get your views though, on what happened last night.
When you need to think about what Mam Donnie did
and the impact, you think about what.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Gavin Newson I did, I will blowout.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
It was amazing to me and the Democrats should learn
from both of those individuals how to fight.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, how to post backw put a policy agenda together.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Your view, well, look at what happened in New Jersey,
I mean that was amazing, and you know, and then
Virginia and then even in some southern states in Georgia,
in Pennsylvania, the judgeships to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, all

(20:24):
of that just shows that, you know, people are not
happy with what's going on in Washington, d C. With
the Republicans and with Donald Trump. And you know he's
gonna just basically double down on what he's doing, which

(20:45):
let him continue it's going to get him, you know,
out of the White House and maybe even impeached.

Speaker 7 (20:51):
I'm looking forward.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
I mean, I guess I have to say I'm not
necessarily a vengeful person, but I do believe in justice,
and I think that they should be loved.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
For the kinds. Yeah, for all of these.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
You do the crime, do the time, right. Uh isn't
that what the like rings to say? You know, you
do the crime, do the time.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
I mean, you know, if a person tells, you know,
I as well, there's going to be children out here,
and then is uh, you know, shot in the back?
H What kind of people are these people? I mean,
it reminds me. I was in the Soviet Union at
the end of the Soviet nineteen eighty eight, and you

(21:36):
can definitely tell it was a police state. If you
went to East Germany, it was a police state. It
was horrible people listening in on people's conversations and doing
all kinds of I mean, there were so many different
kinds of police. But interestingly enough, as soon as the population,

(21:58):
even within the old Soviet Union, had a chance at democracy,
they went for it. Because guess what, people prefer democracy.
They don't prefer kings or rule from the top. You know,
you're so exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
I mean, this is this is why you know seventeen
seventy six, you know, it was was you know, and
it came out of Massachusetts and Lexington and conquered and
all that exactly and you know they said the Tea party,
you know, you know, screw this idea of the king,
you know, and that is our world.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
We know the right wing is used.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
You know, we talked about the proposition issues last night
with Gary South, you know, and the proposition issues been
used for a long time. You know, it's it's lower taxes,
it's lower property taxes.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
You know, they don't want to pay anything.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
But when it gets to the working class and whether
it's property or income or whatever taxes there are, you know,
it hurts people.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
And if you don't.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Provide the the fundamental needs on healthcare and education, you know,
on on infrastructure, then you know people are going to say, well,
what am I pain? And eventually that gets going. There
is a lot to talk about, John, I'll hold you
over into the next conversation where we have to go
to the break, So stay right there. We will be

(23:13):
talking with Harrol Myerson and John coming up after this
time out. You are tuned in to the Jeff Santo Show.
A day after a big victory. Keep it up, Dems,
We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4 (27:35):
Thirty three minutes past the hour. It is the Jeff
Santo Show that you are tuned into, coming to you
live from the South coast here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
You know, it's it's so great to be talking with
a fantastic journalist who, like myself, has seen a lot
of ups and downs progressives and for Democrats in general.

(27:59):
And when we have a chance to celebrate, and maybe
before the show, before the segment ends, Kevin, if you
can get that, I think it's cool in the gang
celebrate song out, you know, way before you were born.
Of course, that would be fantastic. I think it'd be
appropriate for this segment and going forward. Our next guest is,

(28:22):
indeed Harold Myerson's usually here on a Monday's a Myerson Monday,
but today, with what occurred last night, we wanted to
get a journalist who understands the progressive viewpoint and what
this means, particularly what happened in New York City last
night and getting California too, both blowouts and fantastic for

(28:43):
progressives across the country. Harrol Myerson, the fantastic American Prospect
Editor at large, joins US via video from Washington, d C.
I don't know if I'm going to get a big
at smile, Harold as I did when the Dodgers won,
but I think you're going.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
To be happy. It's it's good.

Speaker 14 (29:03):
It's been an excellent week for Dodger fans and fans
of American democracy.

Speaker 15 (29:09):
Let's put it that there.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
You go, well said, Well said, yeah, I get a
call from a good friend of ours last night when
didn't doing the special last night from Uh.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
He said, it's good.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Uh, it's a good night so far, and it was
even better two days ago as the Dodgers won. So
you have a fellow simpatico there from exactly indeed. Indeed,
all right, so talk to me about the scenario that occurred,
I mean to me, and I want to get into

(29:42):
a comment that I heard from Frank Lunch. Of all people,
you know, talk about, you know, Debbie Downer every time
we got to hear that man.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
He was on MSNBC of.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
All places, which is really frustrating. You know, they're they're
going to ms now. I hope they get rid of
the past and become more of the progressive future. But
talk to me about first, you know, how exciting as
a progressive, as a journalist and a reporter who has
seen the ups and downs of the Democratic Party and

(30:12):
the progressive movement within the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Your you know, your view from what occurred last night.

Speaker 14 (30:19):
Well, you know, I'm clearly I thought that the results
in New York City were you know, a historic high
point for American progressivism. The Democratic Party since Franklin Roosevelt
has often been sort of social democratic without saying that.

(30:44):
And then you know, throughout the nineties and the aughts,
the party kind of succumbed to more neoliberal markets should
be free to do what they want, regardless of Constant
Quinn's beliefs, then they were in social democracy. Things began

(31:05):
to move back as the results of that neoliberal de
regulation became clear with the financial collapse of two thousand
and eight, you know, and then there was this sort
of simmering that didn't really take any political form, you know,
other than brief little things like Occupy Wall Street until

(31:27):
Bernie Sanders first ran for president in even before you know,
it's starting in twenty fifteen, and it wasn't so much
that he really created an overtly democratic socialist wing of
the Democratic Party so much as he revealed its existence,

(31:52):
which had gone, you know, largely undetected, not just by
mainstream Democrats, but by those Democrats who suddenly realize I
agreed with Bernie Sanders, and even revealed it to Bernie himself.
He didn't expect to do nearly as well as he
did when he entered the presidential race in twenty fifteen.
And since then we have sort of a mainstreaming of

(32:18):
what is if you look at it programmatically, what is
akin to the historic policies of European socialists and social
democratic parties, expanding the public sphere into areas that the
market has completely mishandled, which in this country is certainly

(32:41):
the whole healthcare situation, among many others. And so that's
been out there now, and it's particularly particularly the case
among young people who really are bearing the brunt of
the host of economic dysfunctions and have higher levels of
support for socialism, whatever they think that means, than their elders.

(33:08):
But it's also you know, that level of support is
also widespread within the Democratic Party. Both the most recent
Gallup poll on this and the most recent Pew pole
on this Gallop from October Pew from April show you know,
in both cases sixty six or sixty seven percent favorable
ratings for socialism among rank and file Democrats and favorable

(33:34):
ratings for capitalism ranging from forty two percent to fifty percent.
So you know, to the extent that the base of
the party has moved, it only makes sense that Zorin
Mundami was able to win the mayoralty of New York.
But of course he had to do it coming from
one percent support when he started through an absolute brilliant

(34:00):
campaign that got the most out of social media and
the most out of volunteer mobilization. By the campaign's in
having essentially mobilized more than one hundred thousand volunteers to
walk the sidewalks of New York and the phone banks
of New York and whatever else you have of New York.

(34:22):
It took. It took a brilliant campaign, and that's exactly
what he delivered. And he focused and this is the
through line in what the Democrats are doing these days.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
And not just affordability.

Speaker 14 (34:35):
Focused on affordability, as did the moderate Democrats Abigail Spanberger
and Mikey Cheryl. You know, if you look at the
turnout numbers. I've concluded that candidate Trump boosts Republican turnout,

(34:56):
but President Trump boosts Democratics. That because because once he's
in power and runs a muck and things get worse
and he infuriates Democrats and independents and even in the case.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
And some Republicans m yeah, you know.

Speaker 14 (35:15):
And there was also that is exactly what we saw yesterday,
a coast to coast Democratic sweep.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Doubt well going to hold up my dunkin Donuts coffee
again here. And of course this is the Trump tariff
scenario of seven dollars September fifteenth to September twentieth, it
was fourteen dollars still is, by the way, and Democrats
so we had on the third leading House member yesterday

(35:45):
represented Pete augly are first time I talked to him.
A fantastic guy and understands the empathy. Yeah, and we're
hoping to have him on again soon. And you know,
we were making not a joke but of the reality
of what happens here. And I says, you know, Condonates
was founded in Quincy, Massachusetts, but it's all over the
country now, including in California.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
He goes, oh, I no, I drink it. And you
know the fact is is that.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
This is something you know, that that Trump handed us
and we got to use it. And you know, obviously
I've always said this, you know, uh, non violently, We're
going to hit him over the head with this. I mean,
you know, just tariff discussions today with the Supreme Court,
they're they're looking at this to say, what kind of
power do you want? Even somebody like Gorsage, who you know,

(36:30):
is the you know, these.

Speaker 14 (36:32):
Are the same justices that invented the doctrine of presidential immunity,
and even even some of them think that the guy
has way overstepped his constitutional powers. So yeah, I mean
they're basically two themes that worked for the Democrats. Uh.
The first, obviously, is just the state of the economy, affordability, uh,

(36:56):
the lack of job creation at a time when AI
is threatened ning all kinds of uh you know, uh,
unemployment possibilities. And the second, which uh, you know, it
may not be what's bringing around swing voters, but is
increasing the participation of Democratic base voters and and independents

(37:17):
as well. It's just Trump's authoritarianism and the ice sweeps
and things like.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
That, right, exactly.

Speaker 14 (37:24):
Those are Those are two real pluses and that's what
powered the Democrats to a nationwide victory on Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
There's no doubt talking with Harold Myerson here on the
Jeff Santo Show, let me get a cup of water here.

Speaker 14 (37:42):
Downuts coffee there, even if you can afford it.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
So what I'm going to do is I'm gonna I'm
going to do the planter away and little Poland springs
water here and so there you go. So we're going
to create the new England products for you. So what
I think and will open up the phone lines in

(38:06):
a minute. What I think is is important to understand
here and to give credit where credit is due. I
have been a big fan of what Gavin Newsom has
done in California with Prop fifty. He sort of lit
the match to fight back, you know, the first you know,
the first shot heard across the bout kind of thing,

(38:27):
and Les conquered whatever. But you think back to March
when Sanders and AOC when around the country, particularly to
your home state of Los Angeles, which I watched on
c Span or YouTube or whatever concoction because the mainstream
media didn't really want to.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Focus on it.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
You know, that was sort of also the beginning. And
I hope here that the party doesn't doesn't realize that,
you know, and give credit not only to Newsome, who
deserves it and is really the face of the Democratic
Party I think in the future, but I believe that,

(39:08):
you know, you have to work hand in hand with
Bernie Sanders. As a matter of fact, when Newsman first
started talking about this, he actually mentioned Sanders by name
two or three times one of his first speeches. And
I know, when you can get you know whatever, he
had one hundred thousand people in LA with Neil Young
and you know, keep on rocking in the free world
and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
At the I don't know it was a Grant park
in LA I'm not sure. But anyways, the point is
is that that, to me is the glue. And I
keep going back to the Biden Bernie combo in two
thousand and twenty one, which basically he gave Biden his
only sixty percent approval rating because he was dealing with

(39:50):
all these things on housing, all these things, on writing
giving people checks. You know, the vaccinations were under his watch,
all this stuff, and people said, yeah, we like this,
and you know, in Biden credited Bernie and Bernie's people,
you know, a lot of them, you know, were also
crediting Biden and so forth.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
It all fell apart. You know that the Godzeimers of the.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
World and and Mansion and in Christian cinema, thank god,
two of the three are gone. You know, they were
the ones that basically, you know, put a kebash on
the build back better, which became Ira, which wasn't as
as powerful as it could be.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Your thoughts about this timeline here, Yeah, no.

Speaker 14 (40:30):
You're you're you're right, and you know, I think it
makes a certain amount of sense that it is the
people who have not been part of the political establishment
are the first to realize a danger because they're kind
of used to the outsider perspective because that's where Bernie

(40:51):
has spent you know, most of his life, and ReOC
and Zara and Mandami, so they can see Dane. You know,
they're just sort of positioned in a way that you know,
they can see the rising specter of anti democratic lower

(41:12):
case d rule more easily than people in the center. Newsom,
by the way, Newsom by the way has established himself.
I agree with you. I think I wrote today that
he's sort of got at this point won the pole
position for the twenty twenty eight Democratic presidential primary race.

(41:34):
His really vibrant opposition and effective opposition to Trump means
that in some ways he's the only Democratic figure with
a national reputation who you first don't put into an
ideological box as you do with Bernie and AOC and Mandami,

(41:56):
as you do with Spamberger and Cheryl. You know, what
he's done is really addressing the felt need of Democrats
on all sides, which is, holy crap, We've got a
neo fascist trying to, you know, run over the country,

(42:18):
and we need somebody to stop him. I mean, you know,
And I don't think he necessarily ever sat down and said, well,
this enables me to go beyond the kind of ideological
characterization which every other Democrat seems, you know.

Speaker 7 (42:38):
Stuck with.

Speaker 14 (42:40):
But he may have done that anyway, simply by virtue
of the strength of which he is effectively, as opposed
to ineffectively oppose what Donald Trump is trying to do.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
We're chatting with our good friend Harold Myerson again, the
American Prospect editor. Just a phone number to join his
A three three five four five five three three three,
And I know I want to get to John we're
talking to a little bit early in Minnesota, and Tom
in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
But I want to just get a quick.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Reaction here because I did my my commentary on this,
and it angers me every time I see, uh, you know,
Frank Luntz. You know, I just think of a hypocrite,
you know, who has spend money. You know, somebody told
me because he was in the front row of the
Dodger Stadium a couple of years ago, and I'm like,
you know, how does he afford these tickets? He said,
this is reserved used to be for Larry King. And

(43:33):
I'm trying to think of Jane, the woman who was
a big game show host I forget her name now
already that used to be in the front row all
these celebrities, right, And I'm thinking, well, I know why,
because this guy gets all the money from the right
wing and he plays this game with the death taxes,
the estate tax and.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
All this the nonsense.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Now he's saying, oh, well, you know, progressors are too much,
and then and there and Trump is too much, and
we're going, oh my god, it's going to be very, very,
very bad.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
For the country, you know, the extremes.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I'm like, well, yeah, you want to go back the
status quo so you can make all your money and
basically let ten people make the decision for the rest
of the country. You know, this is a BS that
comes out of these right wing guys and it just
annoys me at no end.

Speaker 14 (44:14):
Some people on the right of the Democratic Party too,
like Mark Penn exactly. You know, you know is on
this particular set of issues is essentially interchangeable with Frank Lunz,
so you know they at least fox Yeah, yeah, so, yeah,

(44:38):
that is an issue. By the way, I am old
enough and an old enough Angelino to remember when the
best seats in Dodger Stadium could be had for three
dollars and fifty cents. But we're talking, we're talking nineteen nozravine,
you know, nineteen sixty two, nineteen sixty three, that was

(45:02):
that was what it costs. It's about three hundred times
that I gather. Oh yes today, particularly during the World Series,
if not more, no.

Speaker 7 (45:12):
Doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
And that was that was Cofax of the Dodgers won
in sixty three. All right, let's go to the phones.

Speaker 14 (45:18):
Yes, indeedy Kofans.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Oh, yeah, I can't imagine, you know, you know a lot. Yeah,
he was fantastic. All right, I think we still have John.
Let's go to John first and then Tom second. John,
you're next with Harold Myerson here on the Jeff Santo Show.

Speaker 16 (45:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Your comment on what we've been talking about.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Well, yeah, I think I'm looking forward to changes in healthcare.
And I think that the fact that healthcare we spend
more than any other industrialized country in the world, you know,
twice as much, if not even more than that, and
we don't cover everybody, you know, I think we ought

(46:06):
to look at that, and then also look at how
much of our GDP goes into healthcare that pays drug companies,
insurance companies to overcharge us and to charge us for
what we don't need. The middleman Medicare does it for
two to three percent administrative costs instead of twenty percent.

(46:29):
So that's where so much money is going. And just
think of the boom to the economy. If people didn't
have to worry about healthcare, they wouldn't stay in jobs
they don't like simply because they get health care.

Speaker 7 (46:44):
They would be able to go out on their own,
you know, and.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
That kind of thing. And I want to say, I'm
just you know, I'm just bowled over. I mean, what
happened the democratic wave, progressive Democrats winning in so many
places throughout the country. Uh, it's it's amazing, and we
need to keep it going. And I'm looking forward to

(47:12):
to that too, because I'm a progressive of many, many
years and I'm just getting tired of the middle.

Speaker 7 (47:21):
Of the road.

Speaker 6 (47:22):
You know, here, here's your crown, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yep, yeah, and you know.

Speaker 17 (47:33):
There's nothing there there, It's.

Speaker 7 (47:35):
A big nothing in the middle there.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
They have jerked this country so far to the right,
the Republican Party that now they want to basically take
over the country in a in a.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
Coup, you know, Like, I mean, that's resounding.

Speaker 5 (47:51):
I'm glad my my in laws and my parents are
both gone.

Speaker 7 (47:55):
They would be speechless.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
I'd have to have them go through therapy. And one
set is Republican and the other set worked Democrats. But boy,
they would not like what's going on.

Speaker 7 (48:08):
It would be just yeah, I don't know, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Thank you, John, appreciate.

Speaker 7 (48:13):
We we just got yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Appreciated, joint Harold, go right ahead.

Speaker 14 (48:19):
Yeah, Well, I mean healthcare is costing at this juncture
nearly twenty percent of the gross domestic product, and in
European countries which have universal health care, it costs about
ten percent of their GDP. So if we could reduce

(48:40):
that that that's ultimately trillions of dollars that could be
freed up to meet all other kinds of needs that
are not being met. You know it, when we talk
about an affordability agenda, this is one of the you know,
this is perhaps the single biggest item beyond control of

(49:00):
a mayor or even of a governor except around around
the edges. But it was certain certainly you know, an
issue that actually commands broad support, you know, I mean,
most Americans clearly favor you know, the government being able

(49:23):
to bargain with healthcare companies for the and set work
with them to set the price of medication rather than
just letting them, you know, create skyrocketing prices. The above
mentioned Gavin Newsom, i should say, actually got the California
legislature to appropriate fund so that the state could produce

(49:46):
its own insulin. And on January first, those vials of
insulin are going on sale in California for I think
eleven Bucks, which is hugely less expensive than what the
drug companies have been charging, and the drug companies have

(50:06):
been somewhat compelled to reduce their prizes because Bernie Sanders
highlighted this issue in senatorial hearings. So, uh, you know,
this sort of points the way to where Democrats can
begin to address affordability on a wider range of of
of really critical points in American in the American political economy.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
No doubt.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
All right, quickly, let's go to Los Angeles. Thank you, John,
and talk to Tom in the City of Angels. You're next
with Harold Myerson, a Los Angeles native.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Go reay to head mister Tom.

Speaker 7 (50:45):
Oh.

Speaker 17 (50:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (50:45):
First off, with the people ultimately are the government, and
we showed that in the last next election, and it
just really showed you the power of the vote and
how we all need to get out and vote. This
is our this is our democracy after all. We do, however,
need to get money out of politics completely so we
can restore government actively the people. The thing bothers me

(51:08):
a little bit about, you know, media coverage, is that
everyone seems to act like this is a game. All
Mandami did this, He had a great message on this here, no, no,
this is how he feels this is actually what he
wants to do for we the people. And I'm so
sick of that's becoming this this consulting class and analyzing,

(51:32):
oh this is good and this is what they should
do here. Now, we're not like the Republican Party where
they just have a message and it's just a message
and then they lie about it. We actually believe in
helping people. We actually believe in democracy, We actually believe
in unions, We actually believe in small businesses. We believe

(51:52):
actually in capitalism if it's unregulated capitalism, it's capitalism that
actually helps a mom in top type business. But we
also believe in a strong social safety net. So therefore,
when we do folve, there's something to catch us because
we took the opportunity to run our own business or
to work for a union, or to have democracy in
the workplace. That's the difference we are not. I don't

(52:16):
like to really the word democratic socialism. Mandami says that
he says with no apologies, which I love about him.
He doesn't apologize or skirt around anything. But it's really
social democracy is what it is. It's a social democratic
you know system. It's where we the people have decided
what it is that we want to actually spend our

(52:39):
tax dollars on and actually make it so we can
have a future for our kids and grandkids. And the
Republicans just want to basically to give it all to
the billionaire class and have the serf you know, and
the and the uber rich, the great Gatsby.

Speaker 19 (52:56):
So I think that you.

Speaker 18 (52:57):
Know, we just willing people need to wake up and
foot voting against your best centers to realize we.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Got to do that. I got to run. I hear
you appreciate it, Tom Harold.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Exactly. The FDR road map, that's the road. You get it, Tom.
Thirty seconds mister Myerson.

Speaker 14 (53:18):
Uh, well, I agree with what Tom said. I agree
with what John said. Uh and uh we have a
roadmap at this point on how to go forward.

Speaker 20 (53:29):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (53:31):
You know, the American people are do not like the
effects of Donald Trump's presidency, and when Democrats advance some
plausible alternative policies that can actually help them, they're gonna
vote that way.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
And so they.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Want the real thing.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Remember that coke commercial from years ago, The real thing, Baby,
Harold Myerson, American Prospect, Thank you, my friend. We'll talk
next Monday. Yes, thanks for coming in. We'll be right back, folks.
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Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
It is our two of the jeffs Into Show, and
welcome to it, folks. Something you lie from the South
coast here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, And oh what
a night it was last night, crossed the country from
California to the New York Isle to the great New
York City, and I'm Donnie's win down the coast in

(01:01:18):
New Jersey and Virginia and all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
The places Georgia.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
We stopped the Vice president's brother from becoming mayor in Cincinnati.
There were wins in Georgia. There were wins all up
and down the coast of Virginia too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Very exciting for somebody who a few weeks ago was
organizing with our friends that move on, our friends at
Indivisible and ACLU.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
And so on and so forth.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
It's the executive director Social Security Works.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
He is a pitbull for progressives.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
And I'm talking about a one and only Alex Lawson,
who I know has a smile on his face. Unfortunately
we have him just on audio today, but I can
only imagine that the smile is very wide for mister Lawson,
happy progressive populist day after mister Alex, How are you.

Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
Thanks, Jeff?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah, no, I am smiling, and I would be joining
on video, but I'm actually meeting an activist advocate who
is coming to DC to share her story about the
incredible healthcare destruction by the Republicans. So, yes, last night

(01:02:44):
was a great win just all over the country, and
yes we have to roll that directly into today's activism
and advocacy because you know, the Republicans continue to hold
the government shut down, hold snap, you know, take food

(01:03:07):
off of the plates of the hungry, in order to
raise the costs of health care beyond the reach of
millions of Americans.

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
So we just need to take this momentum.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
And run with it right now, Jeff, because I know,
you know this, but if you're not in DC, it
is hard to imagine how warped perception can get here.

Speaker 6 (01:03:31):
And there's literal conversations right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Now, right now about giving up, about caving into Donald Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
After last night's election. There are Democrats who are trying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
To figure out if they should give up right now,
and we're like, no, fight, fight.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
I couldn't agree with you more.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
And you know, I was telling our previous guest, Harol Myerson,
the American Prospect, I know, you know him, well, you
know who understands this. And you know I would on
my my commentary today about freaking Frank Luntz.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
You know, he was on there and this is such hypocrite.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
This guy goes to the Democratic Convention in Chicago as
zoul Well, the Democrats have to moderate themselves and they
and they end up doing that with Harris's campaign, and
look what happens with Trump and then oh, no, Trump
isn't that that concerned about the issue of immigration, and
you know there's nothing Ice is not a problem. Now
he's saying progressives win. Oh, the country's you know, coming apart,

(01:04:30):
and you know it's going to be violent. You know,
you got two extremes I'm like, where was this a
couple of months ago, you know, when when Trump was
on the streets of Los Angeles in Chicago. You know,
these hypocrites and and for MSNBC, who I love, I
know you do too, you know, to put this guy
on the air, I mean, you know, it's unbelievable because

(01:04:50):
this is the BS that permeates in you York city
of Washington, not that you you own it or run it.
You just happen to live there because that's where the
capitol is U. But you know, it's this kind of
BS that just annoys me. And you know, really there's
no need to put this bs the day after. You know,

(01:05:11):
not only is it a Debbie downer, but it's it's
it's it's it's stupid because he does not stand for anything.
This is a guy who makes a ton of money
to go to the front row of the Dodgers game,
you know, to sit with whether it Jane Hard or
whatever her name is used to be, Larry King seats
and you know, this is what they care about. They
don't care about the country. He's so concerned. Give me

(01:05:32):
a break. This is what you have to deal with
every day. Alex In that city that you used to
live in, that you live in I used to live in,
I should say, I tell you, you know, it's just
it's just pathetic.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
It is a I mean, Frank Launch is a Republican poster.
I mean when the Democrats exactly really figure out that
they shouldn't listen to Republicans to tell them.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
What to do, you know, that'll be a great yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
But you know, last night's election showed this other thing,
and this is again the only people will The only
thing you got wrong is I don't love MSNBC. You know,
there's there's good people on it, but generally the corporate media.

Speaker 6 (01:06:13):
All the way is on the wrong side of our issues.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
It's just owned by billionaires, operated four billionaires.

Speaker 6 (01:06:21):
But uh, I get your point. They definitely you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Uh, there are some some good, good shows on there,
and they shouldn't have Franklins on. But I like your show.
I like shows that aren't uh don't have to tow
a corporate line and our fearless truth tellers and and
you know when people listen to your show and they
follow your advice, that's when we get results like last night.

(01:06:46):
And here's the thing that the pundits are paid to
not see or to pretend they can't see into sew division.
You know, they're all on TV today being like, oh, well,
which path forward is it is?

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
It's the Democratic social or is it the moderates? And
it's gonna tear the party apart?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
And you're like, they ran on the same thing, right,
that's the story.

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
How did mom Donnie win in New York?

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
He ran on fighting Trump and making America affordable? How
did Spamberger win in Virginia fighting Trump and making America affordable?
It is a consistent message that wins, and it's because that's.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
What the American people want. And politicians who.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Stand up and fight back against Trump's tyranny, his attempted
takeover of this country, and who fight to make America
affordable for the American people, they are going to win.
But that's why, you know, for the corporatists, that's why

(01:07:52):
it's a terrifying moment for them, Jeff, And you know
that's why I that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 6 (01:07:57):
You know, we're moving right into the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
It celebrate, celebrate the victory, but remember how happy you are.
The worst people you can imagine are that sad, and
they are plotting and scheming how to not let us
take the momentum.

Speaker 6 (01:08:16):
And roll with that forward fighting Trump and making America.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Affordable by fixing the healthcare crisis that the Republicans caused.

Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
That's why there's now these calls to you know, cave
right now, and I will.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
The good news is it was such a resounding victory
that we at least are buying some time. The gang
in the Senate is saying, hey, we're still working on it.
The scuttle boat was that they were going to do
it tomorrow, try to change the story immediately. But now
they're saying they're going to work through the weekend, and

(01:08:53):
we're saying to them, take a win. Donald Trump just
called the Republicans to the White House and he said
the shutdown is why they lost. I don't want to
meddle with his analysis, because what he told the Republicans
is in the favor of the Republicans cutting a deal
with the Democrats. So we should amplify that, even if

(01:09:17):
you know, he's basically doing anything he can to not
blame himself for the crushing losses that the Republicans faced
last night.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
And so yeah, it is a it is a big
smile day, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
And it is definitely a you know, for so many
people who worked so hard.

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
But it's also not the end.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
It's just the beginning, and we're not going to stop
until we defeat Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
You know, Alex Laws And for those who may not
have known how he does things and how he works together,
he is a true blue progressive populist like yours, truly,
but he lives in d C. So he under stands
the reality of having to bring together moderates and Democrats.
But he gets annoyed like I do. And I'm speaking

(01:10:06):
on your behalf, Alex, but I think I understand you
a little bit. You know, he does everything. I mean,
he was part of the group that brought Bernie and
Biden together. I keep referring to this coalition as a
model for the next version. You know, Bernie and Biden
got together, did a lot of things. You were in
the middle of all that. You know, you're a Bernie disciple.
If I could put you that that category on you,

(01:10:29):
you know, I am in a way as well. But
we understand that. You know, you have to work in
the structure that you have. I mean, it'd be great,
you know, Shangri La and everything and be great and
you know Nirvana Land not the band.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
But you know, to me, you got to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
But these guys want to take you to the Republican
like and always finished in second place. I mean the
Washington Generals of Harlem Globe Trotter is fain, you know,
I mean, this is ridiculous. And you know, I'm glad now.
I mean, there's gonna be a lot of pressure on Schumer.
And you know, by the way, we're on in New
York and New Jersey. By the way, a great friends
at WGHT and you know. But the fact is is

(01:11:04):
that what you know Cuomo last night, you know, ended
a miraculous legacy in my view, because I was a
big Mario Cuomo fan and original progressive populace on the
FDR road map, and I look at this and I
just think, you know, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
What you know?

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
New York you gotta embrace Mamdani. I mean, if you
listen to that speech last night, it was phenomenal. You
don't get speeches like that every day. And then a
couple cap it off with Gavin Newsom, who's been fighting
and went in the face of Trump you talk about,
you know, pushing back, and he he has led that,
and that Prop fifty is going to open the door

(01:11:44):
hopefully for the Democrats to win.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Back the House. So I mean, all of this to
me is is.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
A beautiful pitcher last night, and I just think you
just got to keep pushing forward. So I'm very glad
you're excused no video today because you're doing the right thing.
And I really feel there is an opportunity here, you know,
for Democrats to take that momentum and write it right
into November of twenty six and if they keep on

(01:12:10):
the path that we talked about, a Biden Bernie path,
an FDR path where you talk healthcare and you do
it and if you can't get there, the example of
FDR wanted to want to pack the Supreme Court, but
he eventually got a Republican or two to basically back down,
and he got a lot of stuff done. If you
push hard and you don't you don't negotiate, you know,

(01:12:32):
with yourself, in some cases you know you can, you
can win the day and you can become the majority
party in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Your thoughts will hoping up the phone.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
Lines, as.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Absolutely and obviously the opposite too. If you cave, you lose, right,
so you have to fight. If you want to win,
you have to fight.

Speaker 17 (01:12:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
And you know, I do think we're seeing you know,
Bernie actually said that today, if you.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
Cave, you lose. And there's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Senators, Democratic senators who are talking directly to the gang
that is, you know, between eight and ten who've been
making noise about caving without getting a win.

Speaker 6 (01:13:16):
And they're saying, you know, you have to keep fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
And it is these two you know, world views, but
one of them is so demonstrably stupid, like you can't
win if you don't fight. And luckily, I think it
was so loud and clear last night that what the
American people want is politicians who are going to fight

(01:13:42):
Trump's tyranny, and politicians who are going to make America
affordable by taking on the outrageous rent, the outrageous grocery prices,
the outrageous drug prices.

Speaker 6 (01:13:54):
On and on and on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Donald Trump won by promising that he was going to
make America affordable.

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
But he not only didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
He empowered all of the actors to go the exact
opposite direction and then put in place tariffs that by themselves.

Speaker 6 (01:14:15):
You know, attacks on goods paid for by the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
American people increase the cost of everything across the board.
And the American people are saying no, not that we
want lower.

Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
Costs for the people.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
We want to create a society that works.

Speaker 6 (01:14:35):
For the people, not for just the billionaires.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
And we want politicians who will fight, and it doesn't
matter if they you know, it matters like there are
places like New York City where a democratic socialist is
going to be able to win, but he's going to
win on fighting and affordability. And then there's places like
Virginia where more moderate Democrat is gonna win, but she's

(01:15:03):
gonna win on fighting and affordability. And that's the message
that all Democrats have to take. There is a unifying uh,
there's a unifying message and agenda that the American people
are demanding Democrats move forward with.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
You're so right, Alex Again.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
The phone number to join is A three three five
four five five three three three. Kevin, let me know
who we have on the line. I must tell you
it is beyond me when you see how a progressive
populist agenda, you know that Bernie has made I mean
Bernie has taken the FDR model, which got blown up

(01:15:47):
after the view during the Vietnam.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
War in nineteen sixty seven sixty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
And you know, the Democrats going to of lost their
way on understanding a domestic agenda led on the issues
of health here education. You know, it used to be
a thing called health education welfare right ah GW you know,
which is gone. But the point is is that that's
the foundation of Democrats, who stand for the working class,

(01:16:14):
who stand for you know, the underdog. Republicans have always
been the party of the elites. You know, you go
back to to to Coolidge and Hoover for crying out loud.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
And you know, so if you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Can't, you know, do that, you're never gonna win being
the second fiddle, you know, Republican light. You know, Harry
Truman said that for crying out loud, So it to
me it goes without saying. And you know if these
other consultants in Washington, you know who are baked in, uh,
you know, to the apparatus, you know, you know, if
they keep you know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
In the ears of the leaders. Oh well, you can't
go too far away. You gotta be careful. You gon
to run thirty second ads against you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Please, you know, get some cohounas move forward, you know,
and if you take look, mom, Donnie took a bunch
of bs from republic wigs and you know Trump machine
as well as Cuomo and corporate Democrats. He survived one
by ten points. You know, there's a model right there
for you in the largest city in the world, in

(01:17:12):
the most expensive media market in the world too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
And he survived it because he could get things done.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
And pert example, right, he.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Was outspent, He was outspent seven to one by pack money.
I mean, you had billionaires pouring millions of dollars in.
But he took that lesson from FDR. Welcome their hatred, right,
that's what he knew. If the worst people in the
world are throwing millions of dollars to try.

Speaker 6 (01:17:40):
To defeat you know that you're doing something right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
And in fact, tell the people about it, right, tell
the people the billionaires are trying to.

Speaker 6 (01:17:49):
Defeat me because they know I'm on your side and
not their side. It's really such a simple playbook, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
That it is, you know, sometimes shocking how hard it
is for people to get And then you remember though
that the reason is because their ears are stuffed with money.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
That's why it's hard to have to hear us. They're
paid for that density.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
You know, the billionaires are very, very not generous. But
whatever they're throwing their money around, they know that they
need to convince everyone, if not to work for them,
then to at least be scared of them. And that
was one of the main things that FDR sort of

(01:18:35):
did that showed this new deal a new path was
he did not say I'm scared of Wall Street. He
said I welcome their hatred, and then every time they
attacked him, he turned it into a positive and it
worked because the people they do not like billionaires in

(01:18:55):
Wall Street, they don't like governmental buy billionaires know that
that means that it's not for them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
But when the Dropkick Murphy's you know, used a very
bad word when they were talking about Elon Musk, I
knew that, you know, the populist rock band from the
Boston area understood where Elon Musk is about. He is
a billionaire who's selfish, who doesn't understand anything about helping

(01:19:32):
their fellow man, sending up dogs, you know, destroying people's lives.
He doesn't care, you know, he just goes on because
he's got all the money in the world, he doesn't
need any more, and you know, that's what he is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
And this is, this is to me how people are reacting.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
And you know, I don't think the Dropkick Murphy's are
a very political band in general, but when I heard that,
I'm like, wow, this is a few months ago. But
this goes to show you that, you know, people understand
the BS and this is what it is that's coming
from Trump and his fellow you know, UH acolytes. And

(01:20:06):
the fact is is that this is this is the
crowd that you know, we'll try to continue to b Yes.
I mean I heard somebody to say, a Republican consultant
today say, well, you know, people have to start waking
up in the Republican Party because you know he's not
paying attention. Well, of course he's not paying attention because
he only cares about himself, putting money in his pocket.
He goes to Saudi Arabia, put money in the cash
register of the of the Trump Foundation. You know, you

(01:20:29):
go to you go to other parts of the world,
same thing. You know, you make a deal with with
the tariffs with UH, with Japan or Peru, or someplace.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
I mean, you know, wake up, it's it's it's right there,
you know, all of a sudden, you know, some sometimes
corporate democrats and and and consultants, they have like an
instant fog machine.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Oh I can't see anything. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
You know, it's like it's like Sergeant Schilton Hogan's heroes.
I see nothing, I hear nothing. That's that's what we get.
But sometimes I don't know. Let's go to John is
Jeff That go ahead, Alex, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Just the good news is that the politicians aren't the leaders, right,
I mean, the people are the leaders. People are though,
when you know, the people are where bravery comes from.

Speaker 13 (01:21:18):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
And so as long as we're out there showing the politicians.

Speaker 6 (01:21:23):
What we demand they do, uh, then we will win.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
As long as the people are brave and powerful uh
and have a strategy.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
To win, we will always win.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Because it's just there's a very small number of billionaires. Yes,
they have a ton of money, but look at mom,
Donnie I just said he was outspent seven to one
by these packs. At the end of the day, money
doesn't vote.

Speaker 6 (01:21:51):
People do. And so people power money power every time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
More of us than are of them, and there're seven
million that showed up and said finger to you, mister Trump.
All right, let's go non violently. Mister John, you get
about thirty seconds with Alex lost and go ready to head,
my friend, if you have a thought a question, John,
did we lose?

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
John?

Speaker 7 (01:22:16):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
Mandai connected with the people. And that is how you
win elections, you don't, you know, impose yourself from above
and tell them this is the crumbs that you can get. No,
he connected directly with them and is supporting them. And yeah,

(01:22:38):
that's he started out with like one percent in terms
of support and went in a year.

Speaker 7 (01:22:45):
To where he won the election. So it proves that
money is.

Speaker 6 (01:22:52):
Not something that It's not the answer on the end.

Speaker 7 (01:22:56):
It is that connection. Yeah, it's that connection.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Thank you, John, Alex I got forty second with thank you, John.
You got it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:05):
I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Authenticity and meeting people where they are and treating them
with respect. He truly understands the definition of being a
public servant.

Speaker 23 (01:23:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
And you know he's he's in it for the right reasons,
which is to build with the people.

Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
And so he listens to the people, even though he
doesn't agree with and don't agree with him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
He's made it clear that he's going to talk to
people and listen to people, meet them where they are,
but he's never going to compromise on his values and
his visions, and that's what builds the respect that leads.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
To him that last night. Thank you, Alex. Gonna run
my man. Next time.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
We got a little video and we'll talk to you
hopefully next week.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
We've got to get this going on a weekly basis.
Thanks Alex, all the best man.

Speaker 6 (01:23:53):
Absolutely, Thanks Jeff, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
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Thirty three minutes past the hour, it is the Jeff
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You know, it is so great to be able to
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exude this, and we've heard and great advocates too from
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(01:28:18):
he is the national affairs correspondent for The Nation magazine.
He is a man on the move in California today.
He's mister John Nichols, and he joins us on the
road from California, where, of course we've been broadcasting to
and still a Duke k c AA live on the
air right now, and so is John Nichols. John, thank

(01:28:38):
you for taking time out of your busy schedule to
say the least, how are you it is?

Speaker 17 (01:28:44):
That's a business schedule because something happened, you know, that's right,
and we get news and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Right, and it brings a smile to our face.

Speaker 17 (01:28:57):
That's right, and people are excited about what's developed. And
and also it's one of those remarkable moments that does
ask for explanation, that does ask us to kind of
pause and think about it. Because you and I have
been doing radio together for a very long time. We

(01:29:18):
have been on many many Wednesdays when things went bad
the day before, right, or when they were just disappointing
or insufficient or whatever, and not least of that is
a year ago, you know, right now. But here we
have a moment where we can actually say that Democrats

(01:29:42):
pretty want much won everywhere, you know, I mean.

Speaker 20 (01:29:45):
They yeah around the goody, you know, in Mississippi, in Georgia,
in California.

Speaker 17 (01:29:57):
You just it's hard to do, you know, keep up
with all of the positive results. So that's it's a
rare night. But it's not an unexplainable night. And that's
why we're all talking about it so much. We know
why this happened. This is a reaction against Donald Trump's

(01:30:17):
failed presidency. And that's the one thing that unites all
of these results. Darn Mundani is a very different guy
than Abigail, you know, very different person than Abigail Stamber. Right,
the concerns of people in Mississippi may be somewhat different
from the concerns of people in California. And yet when

(01:30:41):
true pull all these threads, what what is the core
commonality is that Donald Trump is an incredible mobilizer for
the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
So true.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Talking with John Nichols again, the national affairs correspondent of
the Nation magazine, of course, author of many great books.
On top of it, you know, I must tell you
I think the one thing you know that really caught
me yesterday and watched the Mandannie and then later Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Is to fight to fight.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
Back, you know, and to me, both of those individuals
in different ways. I mean, you know, Mandannie had like,
you know, a thousand people or whatever it was in
that in that Paramount theater I guess it is in Brooklyn,
and you know, to me and Newsom had just a
handful of people, it's more of a press conference setting.

(01:31:40):
But they both you know, you could see it and
feel it, you know, from their bones. They're saying, We're
not going to take this bs anymore. We're not taking
taking people off the streets anymore. We're not going to
allow you to cost you know, a pound of coffee
from Dunkin Donuts that I'm holding up once again. You
know that went from seven dollars to fourteen dollars in

(01:32:01):
one week. You know, I mean, this is insane and
it is to me. People are fighting back. You saw
it in the No Kings rallies that you covered and
I went to. You know, I mean, it's there, and
you know, I'm so excited that the people of America
are fighting back peacefully, non violently and show a major

(01:32:22):
contrast with the other side. And I think, to me,
that is what it is. You know, I saw this,
and I mentioned this. I don't want to put too
much emphasis upon this because he purposely does these things
and and and and and journalists, you know, allow him
to go on, including on MSNBC, which you know I
used to go on a lot, and you have been
on many times. I mean they had on Frank Lunch today,

(01:32:43):
you know, and he's the crocodile tears of like, oh well,
you know that this country is so polar, opposites and
nobody in the middle, and you know, you get Trump
on the right side and the progressors.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
On the left.

Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
And I'm like, where were you when Trump was putting
people on the streets and taking them off mister Lunch?
Where were you when the tariffs went up and it
costs now fourteen dollars from seven dollars in one week
at the local S and S and mass choose to
get a pound of coffee?

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
You know, where were you?

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
You know, this all this crocodile bs and you see
it some from corporate dems too. But the point is
is that this is the stuff that you know, that
Dems who are progressive in the Bernie Sanders FDR mode,
we know the right way and we can't be bothered
by this this insignificant you know, people who come into

(01:33:31):
the coming late to the party and want to poop
all over it. And this is what we got to be,
you know, make sure that the leaders of the Democratic
Party are not listening to people like this, you know,
because this is this to me would be a disaster
if if there's any thought, and it could be a
Democratic consultant impersonating LUNs, they made the same thing that

(01:33:52):
to me is really I don't call it suicidal, that's
maybe too strong of a word, but it is detrimental
to any idea of the Democratic Party being a majority
party of the years to come.

Speaker 17 (01:34:03):
Your thoughts, look, I mean that you're still going to
have a wrestling match for the sole Democratic Party because
that fight has been going on now for more than
euro years and it hasn't been Yeah, you've got a
consultant class and a donor class to some extent, and
political elites who don't understand how to do politics, never have,

(01:34:29):
never will. What they understand how to do is make
a living off off people who do do politics, and
their consultation is always to go so off, pull your punch,
follow a set of silly, almost absurd talking points, and

(01:34:50):
somehow that's going to work well. On occasion, it does
because the other side is so bad that by comparison
you come out okay. But if you're serious about politics,
this is what you have to wreck it.

Speaker 7 (01:35:00):
Democrats have to.

Speaker 17 (01:35:01):
Stand for something. What they have to stand for it
has to be bold, has to evolve, to be the
challenges of the moment. It has to convince voters not
just that you've got ideas, but that you stand by
those ideas and if you get power, you're going to
implement them.

Speaker 7 (01:35:17):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:35:18):
This is creating a principle politics now in New York.
That's what zoraon Mamdani did from early on. Set his
issues out, made it very very clear that he wasn't
going to sell out, obviously to corporate power, but it
also made it very clear that he was a personal
principal who is willing to talk about things that were controversial.
You look at what he did on Gaza, an issue

(01:35:39):
that he talked about a lot. There weren't any consultants
that are going to say, oh, yeah, you should make
gaza a great, big issue in New York City. But
he had strong beliefs about these issues. He cared about it,
and so he talked about it. End result is it
helped him right. The issue that the consultants would tell
you would hurt you actually turned out to be beneficial

(01:36:02):
because would people. You know, even if people who had
have disagreed with mom Donni on the issue, when they
when hurt his sincerity and when he was willing to
talk with them and engage with them on it, they
were like, Okay, we may not agree on everything, but
I kind of respect this guy. I like him. He

(01:36:22):
has beliefs, he stands by them. By the same token,
he's willing to keep talking to me, keep talking to
other people who disagree with him. And at the end
of the day, I think that that sort of that
test if you will, which Mom Donnie passed, was critical
to helping him win over fifty percent of the vote
over a million votes assed for him, and to win

(01:36:46):
on the basis of one of the highest turn up
levels since the nineteen sixties in New York City. So,
I mean it worked, and the consultants really ought to
take a look at this and understand that if they're
trying to talk it down, they are talking down the
strategy that has the potential not certainty, but the potential
to be incredibly beneficial for the party. In twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
I couldn't agree with you more. Yesterday we had on
our good friend yesterday. Yeah, it was yesterday. Jerry Austin
was on and all these days and doing double headers
and stuff on the air till late at night.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
It gives me a little bit fog green.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
But he was saying, whoever was the person who who
discovered Mandani in a sense, you know, that said hey,
you should run for the Assembly and so forth.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
You know, he says that that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
Person, if he was a campaign operative or a consultant whatever,
should be applauded. And at the same time, you know,
and he's been outside of Washington, which's a whole different world.
The operatives that are in d C, you know, are
are kind of like the wallpaper of years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
I don't think anybody has wallpaper anymore, but that's what
they are.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
But yeah, yes, you have an old, old nineteen seventies house,
I guess maybe. But but the point is is that
there is you know, they're the consultants who are outside
of DC. Example of this guy Planter in Maine. You know,
the the journalists that go from outside to actually go

(01:38:20):
to Maine. They all look at him and say, you know,
he got two thousand a town of two thousand, and
you know seven and you know you get seventeen hundred
or you get eleven hundred. You know, the entire town
is coming out to see this guy speak. But if
you if you listen to people in Washington and and

(01:38:40):
and New York, you know you think he's he's the
son of Sam or something.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
So it to me is is really interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
And I think there were at a point where it's
now people are realizing and I don't know if it's
it's a new generation that's figuring it out because they
have a lot of information at their fingertips if they
want to use it, you know, with the phone and
the internet. But I think there's there's a change here
and I think we're at the point. Maybe this is
you know, nineteen thirty three with FDR. Maybe it's it's

(01:39:13):
it's a it's a combination of things. I don't know,
but we're at a point and I think you're you're
great to make it, you know, a moment. It is
a moment, and I think we need to hold on
to it. If we let it go, you know, shame
on us so and and not so much you would me,
But I mean the Democrats as a whole.

Speaker 17 (01:39:33):
Well yeah, I mean, look, the Democratic Party is a
diverse party. It has people who come from a lot
of different perspectives. Even among its consultants, they different perspectives.
Some of them will learn, some of them will evolve,
some will be on top of where things need to be.
A lot of them won't though, a lot of them
are resistant. And the fact of the matter is that

(01:39:55):
what daram, I'm Donnie and Darama'm donniet. People consulted with him, but.

Speaker 7 (01:40:00):
A new breed, a new.

Speaker 17 (01:40:03):
Generation, if you will, of folks who are ready to
look at how you run a race for a major office.
And he empowered them. He made a part of what
he was doing and it worked out very very well. Interestingly,
if you look around the country, remember Democrats are winning
all over. It's an incredibly good night, or it was

(01:40:23):
an incredibly good night. They all have their different consultants,
they have all their different approaches, and you don't in honesty,
everybody was winning. So we have to be a little
careful about assuming there's just one way to do things
or not, because clearly, right now there's a lot of
ways to do things, and they all seem to be working.
But as you get toward that twenty twenty sixth election

(01:40:45):
and you can have candidates running across the country, it
will be a more focused election. It will be for
control of Congress with the potential to check and balance
Donald Trump. This is a big deal. Those will be
different races in that regard. And then people have to ask,
what do we take away from what we've learned on
November fourth, twenty twenty five that might instruct us in

(01:41:08):
November of twenty twenty six. Well, what you've learned is
this running against Trump works. It's a part of the equation,
not all of it, and you'd be foolish to make
it all of it. But what really works is combining
running against Trump with a commitment to make things happen

(01:41:29):
on some fundamental issues in people's lives. Because remember Trump
promised to do that and then failed. So the key
to this is you can run against Donald Trump as
a failure on the core issues, right I'm delivering for people.
But then the kind of way to put it over
the top is to say, and I won't fail because

(01:41:51):
a here's what I want to do, and be here's
how I'm going to do it. That's what Mom Donnie
did in New York when he's talking about three brought
three bus, is freezing the rent, universal childcare, all sorts
of other initiatives that they've been discussing. And what I
would emphasize is that you don't have to agree with

(01:42:13):
Mom Donnie on every issue. You don't have to embrace
every policy position he's taken. You don't even have to
like him, you know, that's not the point, although I
think he is very well liked. What you should do, though,
is recognized that a bold, energetic campaign that embraces its ideals,
that speaks truth to power in fundamental ways, but also

(01:42:37):
has a nuanced understanding of how to communicate with people
where they live and who they are. You put these
things together right and put that with a candidate, whether
that candidate's running in New York or in Iowa, or
in Wisconsin or in Louisiana, you have a much greater
potential that if you just develop out a cookie cutter

(01:42:59):
candidate who follows whatever the consultants say.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
No dah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
Talking with John Nichols here on the Jeff Santo Show.
The phone number to join is eight three three five
four five five three three three, John. Do you do
you think that I don't know the Bernie Sanders. We
just talked to our good friend Alex Loss and social
Security works. And you know, again I keep bringing up

(01:43:26):
the model that he and Biden put together. They gave
him sixty percent of the popularity.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Of sixty percent, I should say, because.

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
The Affordable not Affordable Care Act, but the American Rescue
Plan and you know, which provide people with vaccinations.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
People, you know, we get checks.

Speaker 4 (01:43:46):
You know, they reduced housing costs, a whole slew of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
And you know, my.

Speaker 4 (01:43:52):
View here is that there needs to be you know,
that understanding that we can work progressives with moderates. We've
talked about this one hundred times, but you know, to me,
if if there's any at all understanding. And I got
this thing from Jamie Raskin the other day. A friend

(01:44:13):
sent it to me. He was with mom Donnie, and
he says, you know, you can call yourself a democratic
socialist or whatever. But really you're an FDR, a Democrat,
you know, he he's the one that started this all.
And to me, you know, Raskin spot on, he's he's
he's a guy who understands and lives in the belt Way,
you know, all that stuff. But he's a true perlute progressive.
So he understands this, and how do you communicate that?

(01:44:34):
And to me, that's that's the way to a winning agenda,
you know, and and and use the progressive moderate coalition
that Bernie built, you know, And it shouldn't be that hard.
And and if the if the corporate wing stops that,
then you know, they're they're basically cutting off their their
you know, their their money.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
Belt because the Republican consultants are going to get it
not then So if you look at it that way.

Speaker 17 (01:44:59):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well look, I say, I think
you're summoned up there, and I think this is kind
of where we get to the heart of the matter.
We are at a critical juncture in our politics. Donald
Trump has brought us here. He has created great fears
about authoritarianism, great fears about the future of you know,
our economic lives. Because he's created such a mess in

(01:45:22):
so many ways, great fears about our place in the world,
and all these things are factors and they will influence
how candidates line up and what they do. But we
also are at a point where as I said at
the start, there's some evidence that Democrats are figuring out
how to counter Trump, not merely by criticizing him, but

(01:45:43):
by scoping out real visions for how to make lives
in our urban areas and also ultimately in our rural
areas more livable for working class people. That's a very
attractive agenda. And so if you've got that, and if
you understand how to do that, you've got potential to
win not just in New York City but in some

(01:46:05):
redder states, rudder districts. Because that's not a radical agenda,
that's a practical agenda. And if Democrats would just understand
what it takes practically to excite people to generate uh,
not just door knockers and stuff like that, but you
get people in positions where they're going to come through,

(01:46:25):
that's a big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
Yeah, I mean it's not that hard. I mean either,
there are a lot of groups that have done this.
I mean it used to be Acorn, and you know
they worked closely with Obama's people and so forth in
the past.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
There's there are a whole number of organizations.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
And you know, when you got federal government workers, you
can you can go to the the afg S and
our friends at sei un Age and we'll have on
miss Blackman, the Federal Director again tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
You know, you can go and you can you can
tell the stories. I mean, you know, when you go.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
From you know, Starbucks and it's overpriced coffee, I'm a
duncandonus guy, you know, you know to tow soup lines.
That's devastating for somebody who's a middle class person. And
that's what's happening now for a lot of people who
are federal workers. I mean, you can you know, if
you can't articulate that, then you're you're in the wrong industry.

(01:47:15):
You know, get out and go become an account or something.
You know, if you've got a degree from an Ivy
League school, I mean, you know, let somebody who understands
what that means to somebody will maybe made you know,
sixty seventy grand a year and now is in a
soup line because that money is gone and you know,
they didn't have any savings and off you go. So,
you know, this is what has to be kind of

(01:47:37):
drilled into two candidates running.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
And I think that some have realized it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:43):
I mean, it's not surprising that both uh span Burger
and Cheryl both picked up a lot of the progressive
mantle that Mandani was talking about. In the final couple
of weeks. It was more affordability and you were driving
home the con trash with the Republicans and Trump, you know,
I mean, you know, so there you go.

Speaker 17 (01:48:07):
No, I thought in the TV ads they often had
a look. The TV ads in both places had for
many many candidates had a lot of anti Trump messaging
because that's a mobilizing message, it has some impact. But
you're right, they also had a focus on you know,
I think there's a way to say this that perhaps
a lot of particularly consultants and pundits don't don't they

(01:48:32):
don't like to speak in this language, right, but it
is It is a language that sort of pushes them
aside and says that what people really want is an
authentic politics coming from to them, from an authentic political figure.
And I think that's what you got with Bamdani. I

(01:48:54):
think that's what you've gotten with a number of candidates
around the country. Now, I do think that that Cheryl
and spaan Barger in New Jersey and in Pennsylvania ran
more traditional, somewhat more predictable campaigns, but they still had
that that criticizing Trump overlay, especially in New Jersey. That
was a big, big, big part of the messaging. And

(01:49:16):
they had agendas that frankly on paper looked pretty progressive
on a lot of issues. And it's gonna be very
interesting in Virginia because Cheryl is going to come into
power in a state that has a long pro union
tradition and has strong unions. And I think they were

(01:49:38):
part of getting her elected. They're also a part of
you know, or will be a part of her potential success.
Virginia is a different kind of state, and spam Barger
I think will emerge as you know, a really important
advocate a on a host of issues like abortion rights,
LGBTQ rights, other others. But because Virginia now has the

(01:49:59):
potential even to redraw some of its congressional districts, she
might become a national figure as regards democracy issues and
as regards to pushback against Trump. And I will tell
you one of those new governors. Maybe both are likely
to end up on lists of potential vice presidential candidates.

(01:50:20):
So no doubt what we're looking at here people who
are exploring ways to communicate in this moment succeeding, and
if they keep doing that and we might end up someplace.

Speaker 16 (01:50:32):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
I think also too, that you know, certain politicians meet
the moment, others sort of shrink at the moment. And
I look at Gavin Newsom as an example. I mean,
nobody would think that, you know, this guy who who
looks like a model, you know, you know, is sort
of you know, not known for being like in our face.

(01:50:53):
He though, saw the moment and needed someone to defend
his state, to see what was happening in LA when
Trump sent in the ice and sent in his home
and so forth, and you know, he said, not on
my watch, We're not gonna let this happen.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
And he kept going.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
Back at him, back at him, back at him, And
that to me opened the door for a lot of
moderate Democrats and progressives as well, of course, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
Say, look, we're not going to deal with this, We're
not gonna we're not going.

Speaker 4 (01:51:21):
To lay down here fighting back non violently, peacefully, and
that's what happened. And I give him a lot of
credit because of the fact that he said, no, we're
not backing down, Missie Trump, You're not intimidating us.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
And now people look at that and say wow.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
And you know, he's at the top of the list,
you know, if not number one, number two, you know,
to be potentially the nominee for the Democrats in twenty
twenty eight. Long way to go, of course, But to me,
that's an example of meeting the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
Your view.

Speaker 17 (01:51:53):
Exactly right. Look, Meeting the moment is you know, best
measured by winning. Last night, you had Democrats all over
the country who met the moment by winning. They succeeded,
and they are folks, but their success weaves into a hole.
And that hole is a message that America, after not
that many months, has grown very, very tired of Donald

(01:52:18):
Trump and they're looking for replacements.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
A man, you are the best, John Nichols.

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
I appreciate you, my man, and safe travels back to
the great city of Madison, Wisconsin. I know it's better
weather out there than is in Madison or here in Massachusetts.

Speaker 7 (01:52:36):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Enjoy all right, thank you, John.

Speaker 17 (01:52:43):
It is great to talk to your brother. Be strong.

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
Yes, it's great to talk to you. You, I know,
have a smile. I have a smile too, and we
look forward to it. And one of these days we
want to get you on video to see it up
close and personal. Thank you, my friend. Look forward to
that moment and look forward to our next conversation, probably
next Tuesday. Thanks man for talking. Brother, definitely brother. Take care.

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Speaker 27 (02:00:42):
Now here's Jeff.

Speaker 35 (02:01:02):
Oh yeah, a little cool in the game for you.

Speaker 4 (02:01:17):
We uh good play this for all three hours, because
it was that kind of night last night for the
Democratic Party and for progressives and populist celebrating probably still
celebrating up there in New York City with Mandane went
an amazing race.

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
You know, folks.

Speaker 4 (02:01:36):
It's uh, it's the small things that sometimes don't get
talked about. And we're gonna talk to our good friend
Larry Korp Brian Garvey at a meeting he couldn't get
out of, so he couldn't do it. Today he sends
us hello. We tried also Larry Wilkerson as well, and
he couldn't make it either, and he also sends us
hello to the namesake of our guest, mister Larry Korb,

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Lawrence Wilkerson, Orange Corb, so forth. But it's really important
because you know, even though there wasn't, to the best
of my knowledge, any race that was a federal race
last night, Governors, mayors, you know, attorney generals and so forth,
but they all have, you know, some kind of understanding

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of the importance of foreign policy. And today we're going
to talk to our good friend Larry Korb, once a Republican,
not always a Republican, more independent, understands.

Speaker 1 (02:02:29):
Mister Trump's all about. Yeah, it doesn't take it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:33):
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what much
of Trump is doing to this country. But that's why
I think last night is such an important night for
the world. And I was watching in the studio monitor
here the BBC feed, and I really am glad that
I tuned in at this time because I US was
watching MSNBC on the feed and they have a Republican

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Tennessee person coming on.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
I think his name was cussed off. And though he's
trying to make you know, he's trying to.

Speaker 4 (02:03:03):
Make lemonade out of the out of the lemons, but
the lemons that pooping them. And you say, well, I'm
going to try to recruit new candidates and all that.
You know, Look, the fact is is that if you're
stuck with Trump and you're backing Trump, you're gonna end up,
you know, getting.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
Stuck in the poop with him.

Speaker 4 (02:03:19):
And that's what's going on when he's at thirty seven
percent approval rating according to the latest polls. So I
want to know from mister Larry Korb of the Center
for American Progress, senior fellow, and of course the Reagan
deputy Defense secretary under Casper Winebagger in the first term
of wine Berger, not Bager Weinberger. And that's of course

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Larry Korb, and I believe he joins us on the
phone from Washington, d C. Mister Larry, I know you
danced many times the celebration. That's a good song regardless
of what party you're from.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
And welcome, my friend, it's just you and me.

Speaker 13 (02:04:02):
Well, I was thrilled for the race because, uh, governor
now Governor Cheryl went to.

Speaker 19 (02:04:09):
The same high school as my kids.

Speaker 13 (02:04:13):
Yeah, my son was My son was two years behind her,
My daughter was two years ahead of her, and so
everybody knew her, but she u you know, stood out
even then. And then of course she went to the

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Naval Academy, which was very rare for anybody these days,
particularly for women, and did the most dangerous thing you
could do, which is to become a pilot. And you
know so, but you looked at the polls ahead of time.

Speaker 27 (02:04:49):
They didn't look too good.

Speaker 13 (02:04:51):
You know, everybody said, no, that she's fallen behind. She
not called, and man, she just blew her opponent away exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:05:00):
And it couldn't happen to a nicer guy in Cidearelli,
who basically, you know, glued himself to Donald Trump. And
you know, look, I know that the Republican operative who's
just done the BBC news here the Congress from Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (02:05:15):
You seem like a normal guy.

Speaker 4 (02:05:16):
But I mean, look, when you attach yourself, you know,
you know, one hundred to you know, one hundred percent
of the time to whatever Trump wants to do domestically
foreign policy.

Speaker 1 (02:05:26):
You know you can. You can't get rid of the stink.
It sticks with you.

Speaker 4 (02:05:31):
You know, it's like you unfortunately walked into the manure
on the grass one day.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
And you know, that's where Republicans are right now.

Speaker 4 (02:05:38):
Now if there are people like Larry Korb, the people
who have left David Jolly, the you know, the Republican
Party and said, you know, this is insane with this guy,
and maybe I'll go back, but you know, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
That's what it is. So you know, you can recruit
new candidates.

Speaker 4 (02:05:53):
Quote unquote, everybody says that when they lose all we
got to fight new people. Well yeah, but don't blame
the old people, because the old people were stuck with
the stench of the skunk at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue.

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
So yeah, I think you agree with.

Speaker 13 (02:06:08):
No doubt about it. In fact, I think when the
polls come out, we'll find out that a lot of
people voted for Ryl and uh, you know, Spangberger as
a message to Trump that they're not happy with the
way that he's doing things. And this was the only
way they.

Speaker 19 (02:06:25):
Could do it. Because if you look at Virginia.

Speaker 13 (02:06:27):
Even the fellow running for one of the jobs that
jobs there.

Speaker 1 (02:06:35):
Generally on the.

Speaker 13 (02:06:35):
Below ticket, Attorney General had made it the dumbest statement,
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:06:41):
And he was Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:06:43):
So it just goes to show you, you know, I mean,
the Trump is all I was on the bell. You
know you were, if you were on the ballot, they
still would have, you know, put you thumbs down like
you did in twenty twenty. By the way, that's just
a historical fact, mister Trump. Okay, so let's let's let's
get your diplomacy hat out in the situation room, not
the one with Will Politzer the police, but the one,

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the real one that you were in in the nineteen eighties.
And I think that yesterday's results.

Speaker 1 (02:07:15):
Give people.

Speaker 4 (02:07:17):
Like the Prime Minister in the UK, like the president
in Germany and the president and in France, you know
a sense of relief that you know, it's not an
occupied force, a dictatorship. Fully, you know, there's elements of
it right now, and people are fighting back. They saw

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that in the seven million people who came out for
the No Kings rally. They they saw it, you know,
in the votes last night, you know, from Mandanni in
New York City to Newsom's Prop fifty where blowout wins.
Same thing with span Berger, same thing with Cheryl. You know,
even even this great I was talking to Gary South,

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our consulted last night. We're gonna play a little bit
of the clips after this interview, what we do with Larry,
and he was saying that even Vance's brother lost in
the Cincinnati mayoral race. So you know, I mean, this
was a wipeout of epic proportions. But what I'm more
concerned about, Larry, is how this goes overseas, because I

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think that people say, you know, Donald Trump is not
all that you know, he he you know, his stuff
stinks too, and you know, and the Democrats finally figured
out a way to win some elections. You know, they
didn't do the best in twenty twenty four. And I'm wondering,
you know, I don't know if you've heard from people

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on the diplomatic side in Europe or in Asia or wherever,
but I'm thinking that you know, they must sense, well, yes,
this wasn't a congressional race. It doesn't actually change the
majority in the House and Senate that basically has an
oversight capability on Trump. And you know in terms of
impeaching him, but it gives the momentum and it now

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shows that people in America, you know, know what the
Europeans have known for a long time.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
That you know, you gotta you gotta, you've got a
guy who's gotta screw loose.

Speaker 4 (02:09:17):
Uh, and you better be careful because he could, you know,
he could really hurt a lot of us, not just
you in America. Is that what I think you're hearing
or you will be hearing as you make your phone
calls over the next several days. Uh, it's the leaders
around the world.

Speaker 13 (02:09:33):
Yeah, I think what they feel now Their basic opinion
is Trump eventually does the right thing, even though he
takes them forever to get there. And you know, the slowness,
like if you to look at like his relationship with Putin,
you know, I mean he was talking to him like
he was his big buddy and expecting him to lay

(02:09:53):
down his arms and everything, and then he realizes full finally,
you know, he has come around a bit since Hey,
you know that meeting in Alaska. What they're feeling is
that he will do this more rapidly. One of the
things that got their attention right away is Trump finally
got involved in the thing to get the government back

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on track, because that does worry, well, the worries Americans obviously,
but our allies are they're gonna have enough money for
foreign aid? Will they be able to buy you know,
the Tomahawk missiles here? You know, well, what's you know,
what's what's going to be? So that I think, you know,
Trump finally today got involved in the talks who reopened

(02:10:37):
the government. And I mean, I couldn't believe that no
president you can argue they should ever should have voted
this way, but no president would go traveling around the
world when his government.

Speaker 1 (02:10:49):
Is closed exactly. It's insane. But he don't care.

Speaker 4 (02:10:55):
That's the thing I mean, you know, I mean I
disagree that, you know, he eventually comes around on some
things yet because he's almost forced to. But you know,
the point is, though, Larry, is that I think that
people you know, were looking, you know, early at the
Democratic Party and they were kind of in a fetal
position in the first quarter or so.

Speaker 1 (02:11:14):
But they have they have gut spine back.

Speaker 4 (02:11:17):
We saw with Gavin Newsom, you know, after the whole
ice incidents in Los Angeles, not on my watch, you know,
and I'm I'm going to do it in a non violent,
peaceful way. You've seen it with others too, and again
the big, the big rallies on top of it. And
I think that that gives them confidence. I know if
I was a leader in the UK or France or

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Germany or wherever, and I see people, you know, pushing
back in a democracy, you push back by getting rid
of the bums that are associated with the current occupant
in the White House.

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
And and I think that's it's a perfect example.

Speaker 4 (02:11:52):
And so you know, we've been talking to a lot
of our friends on the progressive side, John Nichols and others,
and you know, it's so it's been an exciting day
we play that celebration. I know it's not so much
exciting for you, Larry, but that's another story. But what
I'm thinking about is that there there is a scenario,
and I think this is important that you know, people

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around the world, you know, looks. Just look about friends
in Canada. You know, this was really interesting because I
know you're a baseball fan, you know, I mean the
excitement when the Canadians had their their national anthem song.
I mean, you know, it was one hundred percent, full
throttle sort of you know, we're proud of our country

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and it's it's and there was a middle fan our game,
yeah exactly, and you know and the and that to me,
and of course Trump doesn't want either one because you know,
the the Dodgers are made up of a lot of minorities,
African American manager and Mookie Betts is one of their stars,
which is a disaster from the Red Sox perspective letting
them go. But that's another story for another day. But

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the point is is that you know, they have a
lot of Latino and of course all the Asian stars,
oh Tani and Moto and all that. So he doesn't
want to talk about either one of them, and they
both dislike what he stands for. And I think that's
international thing that's just on the sports landscape. But I
think that people say, well, you know, you got to
stand up to this guy. You know, the Canadians are

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you know, you know, you know, their their premier governor.
Like for people don't understand, you know, how the Canadian
government works.

Speaker 1 (02:13:30):
Premiers a governor Ontario.

Speaker 4 (02:13:32):
You put together an ad you know, talking about what Reagan,
your guy, you know, did back in the eighties, right,
So they just tell them the truth and and and
and our and our current occupant. The psychopath goes berserk
and raises the tariffs on them. I'm like, you know, really,

(02:13:53):
so this is what we're at. I mean, this is
like sixth grade behavior.

Speaker 1 (02:13:57):
So you know, you.

Speaker 4 (02:13:58):
Stole by, uh my favorite you know, comic books. So
I'm gonna I'm gonna steal yours. I'm gonna I'm gonna
make it more expensive or something. I mean, it's like,
what are you doing? And the poor Canadians, I mean,
they're you know, I mean the majority of Canadians that
I've met have been the most genteel, most congenial people,
you know, in the world. And Trump treats them like

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they're monsters. You know, they're coming over here, you know,
like King Kong and Godzilla got together. I mean, it's
so ridiculous and and it I think it makes them
the country look foolish, and and it makes it makes
the nation, you know, be embarrassed. This is the leader,
you know, with his McDonald's rappers. I'm like, you know,

(02:14:43):
it's it's not so I hope, well go ahead.

Speaker 13 (02:14:49):
I was gonna say, even before this thing with you
know the Reagan TV.

Speaker 19 (02:14:55):
Uh uh, you've interviewed there.

Speaker 13 (02:14:58):
The fact of the matter is he he was beating
up on the Canadians and saying terrible things to their
to their leaders before accusing them of you know, taking
advantage of us and you know, and and treat and
treating us like second class citizens. No, there's no doubt
about it. In fact, he was so bad that he

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got a different guy elected than the one who was favored,
got a more hardliner. Yeah, so he not only did it,
you know, not work, it caused poor problem for.

Speaker 1 (02:15:33):
I just look at it, Larry, and I think that
you know, I am.

Speaker 4 (02:15:40):
It's just you know, you have to sort of because
you know, it's so serious, particularly with nuclear weapons. And
when I get to that issue with you now, because
he's playing around like you think, it's well should I
stay or should I go? You know, it's the great
class song. But I I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (02:15:57):
I should do.

Speaker 4 (02:15:58):
And and you know we need to do it because
the Chinese are doing it.

Speaker 1 (02:16:02):
Mike.

Speaker 4 (02:16:02):
You know these like you're playing games and people can
get killed, you could blow up you know, a country.
I mean, it's it's insane that you know, it's just
sort of. Well, you know, i'll see what happens. At
two o'clock in the afternoon. I'll make some decisions here.
If I have the right cup of tea and crumpets,

(02:16:23):
maybe I'll go one way. If I don't get anything
and I'm annoyed watching the TV, I'll do another thing.

Speaker 7 (02:16:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
It's you know, well.

Speaker 13 (02:16:32):
Let me tell you what he has done with nuclear
weapons is one of the most dangerous things any president
has done. You know, we have not tested nuclear weapons
since the early nineties. The Russians stopped in nineteen ninety,
we stopped in ninety two, and the Chinese in ninety six.
And he Cavalleeri comes out and talks about what We're

(02:16:54):
going to start testing nuclear weapons.

Speaker 19 (02:16:57):
I mean, first of all, it's impossible.

Speaker 13 (02:16:59):
You'd have to read the site where you do it
and all that. But I'm telling you, and I've written
you know about this. I mean, it got.

Speaker 19 (02:17:06):
People all over the world as, oh my.

Speaker 13 (02:17:08):
God, the United States is going to be testing again,
because I mean that's a lot different than just developing
a weapon, but to actually have a nuclear explosion.

Speaker 1 (02:17:20):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:17:21):
And I think this, you know, the momentum, you know,
we talked with number three Democrat yesterday, Pete Augly are
fantastic gentlemen, and number three in the leadership behind of
course the King, Jeffries and Catherine Clark from Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
And.

Speaker 16 (02:17:38):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:17:40):
They they're going to have people running and I think
the the the win last night, particularly in Prop fifty
because of now Evan's a little bit out after the
whole Texas fiasco with forcing him to do uh, you know,
voter suppression on the people in Texas, Abbot the governor.
Another one that is, you know, shouldn't be allowed to
to be governor any longer.

Speaker 1 (02:18:01):
I mean, that's that's pathetic.

Speaker 4 (02:18:03):
But the point is is that you have a situation
where I think you need to stand up to this individual.
And I think Democrats learned yesterday that they have a spine,
they have a message, and I'm hoping that the Democrats
who are running and they have foreign policy, they can

(02:18:25):
come on this show anytime as we look to expand
across the country, you know, to talk about that issue
that you just mentioned, and I would.

Speaker 1 (02:18:34):
I would advise them to talk to you personally.

Speaker 4 (02:18:37):
I mean, you you know you've advised obviously Reagan, Bernie
Sanders a whole crew. I mean, the importance of this
and and to just and have these members of Congress
who are candidates for Congress say, look, you know, I've
talked to individuals a KAA Larry Korb, you know, and
they're telling me that the people who are around the globe,

(02:18:58):
you know, are are just you know, outraged and also
you know, completely flabbergaster that this is the way things
are being done. Now we realize that people are going
to fight back against this psychopath. But the point is
is that you know, he plays around with dislike it's
a monopoly game.

Speaker 13 (02:19:19):
Well, let me tell you something else that's very dangerous.
All of these ons control agreements that we've had with
the Russians, really going back to the Cuban missile crisis.
The last one expires in February of next year.

Speaker 19 (02:19:36):
Okay, how many months away is that?

Speaker 13 (02:19:38):
Why aren't they negotiating to extend that? Because that's the
nuclear test ban.

Speaker 27 (02:19:43):
Treaty Jesus, and that's it.

Speaker 13 (02:19:46):
Once that goes that, we have no more treaties with Russia.
And of course, if China joins, we were hoping that
you should get China to join as they develop nuclear
weapons and it's over.

Speaker 19 (02:20:00):
We have nothing else.

Speaker 13 (02:20:01):
And you don't see him talking about that that he's
talk you know, talking about you know, insignificant things that
have nothing to do with national security or even domestic security.

Speaker 4 (02:20:15):
Well you know, I mean, he don't he doesn't take
it seriously because he doesn't take government seriously. You know,
he thinks he can run it out of his office
in Manhattan. You know that doesn't even have a computer
in it, you know, I mean, you know, it's just
this is insane. You know, just pile up the papers
that you know, let you know, mister Wolf, that's former lawyer,

(02:20:36):
you know, take care of it, you know, pay her off,
pay this person off, figure it out. And this is
how he is trying to run the United States. You know,
he probably goes to the Saudi leaders. How much money
you're gonna give me? I'll you know, I'll take your side,
you know, I mean, you know, it's it's reprehensible and
also just.

Speaker 1 (02:20:55):
Bizarre world.

Speaker 4 (02:20:56):
But what I think again coming from last night, is
that I think that people say, all right, you know,
we were concerned about this, this runaway train, but there
are people now stepping in front of that train or
at the very least, you know, telling the conductor you're
not going to move this thing.

Speaker 1 (02:21:15):
And when I get in front of a.

Speaker 13 (02:21:15):
Train, well, you just think Congress gets a spine and
does something after last night, because until they do something,
and you know, the Republicans shouldn't just support Trump because
he's a Republican. And you got to get you know,
people like Schumer. Why is he not getting involved?

Speaker 4 (02:21:38):
Don't get me started there, please, We're gotta replace Schumer.
We got we gotta replace Schumer. We got to make
sure that King Jeffries and Clark and uh and ugly
are are are more front and center. People like Sanders,
Elizabeth Warren Murphy from Connecticut, Sheldon Whitehouse.

Speaker 1 (02:21:57):
Is a lot of good Democrats that understand and.

Speaker 4 (02:22:00):
What is at stake here, you know, and you know,
some of them I agree with eighty ninety percent and
somebody I don't agree with, but you know they're But
you've got to be able to stand tall, and you've
got to be able to communicate. Larry, I mean, the
guy you worked for was a fantastic communicator. And you
know that's what we saw with Mina that we see
we knew some you know, I mean, these guys understand

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you know how to meet the moment.

Speaker 1 (02:22:25):
And you know, again you know we're both sports fans.

Speaker 4 (02:22:27):
I mean, you know there are some people in politics
in government and you know like they are in sports.

Speaker 1 (02:22:33):
You know, Game seven, you know, two strikes and you know.

Speaker 4 (02:22:36):
You throw our home run ball to the Roeblists and
you know, and the game's tied. Mister Hoffman, you got
a good first name. But I'm telling you, you know
what I mean, short top of his two o eight
and you know, all of a sudden he's tie in
the World Series with whether the two outs to.

Speaker 1 (02:22:51):
Go, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:22:53):
I must tell you it's extremely frustrating h to U
just see people on on on on my side of
the aisle not meet the moment. And obviously others have done,
and you know, and that's that's a good thing and
it's a new generation and so forth, Larry, stay with us.
We're going to go to about a quarter oven. Well,

(02:23:15):
we're gonna play an interview we did last night very
late with Gary South to finishes off.

Speaker 1 (02:23:19):
But we'll be.

Speaker 4 (02:23:20):
Back with our good friend Larry Korb for a few
more minutes.

Speaker 1 (02:23:24):
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We'll go to about a quarter of the hour with
Larry and then we're gonna bring you a encore interview
we did with political consultant Gary South from last night.
Many of you probably in bed or if you didn't
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Speaker 1 (02:28:12):
But we have a few more minutes.

Speaker 4 (02:28:13):
You can also add a call or a point perspective
in at eight three three five four five five three
three three. Larry, you know, one of the other areas
that I think is going to be important here is
you know a lot of folks, particularly in Europe, that
are concerned about what is happening in the Middle East,

(02:28:36):
and obviously first and foremost Israel, Gaza. You know this also,
I think opens the door. You're electing your first Muslim
mayor of the great New York where you grew up
and I lived for a few years, largest city in
the country. Obviously has a presence in the world of

(02:28:57):
one of the largest cities, but you know, everyone knows
New York, and I think that also opens the door
to thinking that you know, the country has grown to
the point, you know where you could have a Muslim
mayor who's talking about peace, who's understanding his role with
the large Jewish community in New York and that you know,

(02:29:20):
the importance of protecting them. And again the the anti
Semitic stuff that has gone on in the country, you know,
horrific stuff in places like Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (02:29:30):
And other places.

Speaker 4 (02:29:31):
And you know, I think that that also, you know,
again points out that America is just not you know,
full of nutcases. And I think that that is you know,
we'll call them, you know, fruits and nuts. And I
think that that also today last night opened up that

(02:29:54):
America is you know, it's it's a melting pot. It's
what you know, the country has grown into, you know,
that Statue of liberty. You know that of course again
where you grew up in the Bronx, you understand, you
know what that means. And a lot of people who
came over, you know, from Ellis Island see it when

(02:30:15):
the first thing they saw in America. So to me,
I just think that that is also another part. And
I want to get your thoughts there, as somebody grew
up in New York City in the Bronx, your thoughts.

Speaker 13 (02:30:29):
Well, I think you hit on a good point. If
you had said fifteen years ago that the United States,
in our larger city, New York, was going to elect
you know, a Muslim, people would have been dumbfounded. And
I think that that shows how far we've come, that where.

Speaker 19 (02:30:52):
We've and we've changed, because.

Speaker 13 (02:30:55):
When I grew up, you didn't have that many Muslims
in the city, I mean, and it was you know,
the Jewish people, Irish people, German people. You know, we
didn't really have anybody. I didn't even know anything about that,
you know, we just never thought about it. And so yeah,
I showed we've changed. And the fact that they could

(02:31:16):
do that when you had you know, I mean Governor Cuomo.
He had been governor of the whole state, so it
was not you know, nobody running against them.

Speaker 19 (02:31:26):
And you know he's still got you know, a.

Speaker 1 (02:31:28):
Lot of the vote, so that's great. That's right. Goes
to show you. You know, somebody who talks to two
people who are working class, talks to people on a bus.
You know that.

Speaker 4 (02:31:40):
The the the poor or or working class folks use
every day to get to work in Manhattan, UH and
and throughout the all the boroughs.

Speaker 1 (02:31:50):
UH in New York City. That this is the only
way to do it.

Speaker 4 (02:31:53):
And they know that the bus goes you know, I
think two miles an hour or something. And at the
same time, you know it's probably stench of urine and
everything else.

Speaker 1 (02:32:02):
So you know, he's talking about these issues.

Speaker 4 (02:32:05):
People are are there and you know, and you can't
you can't be phony. And all of a sudden, you know,
you see Andrew Cmo trying to make you know, AI
videos to be cool like Mandani. You know, it's it's
it's so phony, and you know they could see right
through it, you know, the voters. And of course I
was a huge fan of Mario CMA. I thought he
would have been a great president back in ninety two.
But you know, must be really grave seeing what.

Speaker 1 (02:32:27):
His uh what his son is doing.

Speaker 13 (02:32:29):
But he was a good he was a good friend
of mine.

Speaker 4 (02:32:33):
Was he well, you know, makes a lot of sense,
you know, Mario Cmo, as you may know, because of
your friendship. You know, I think was playing second base
for the Pirates minor league team or something for a while.

Speaker 1 (02:32:45):
Uh so you know that.

Speaker 19 (02:32:46):
Try Yeah, yes it was Detroit, but that's the hit.

Speaker 13 (02:32:53):
Ye down south.

Speaker 4 (02:32:55):
Yeah, yeah, so you know, I mean, I just I
just think that, you know, you have a scenario here.
You know that, you know, the fresh face that Mandanni
is is a great thing for America. He's not going
to be able to be president because he was born
in Africa, born in Uganda. Uh so you know it's

(02:33:18):
but he can play an important role. I mean, you
work for Bernie Sanders. I mean, he could be the
equivalent of Bernie Sanders. Maybe he gets to be governor
of New York.

Speaker 1 (02:33:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:33:26):
But the point is is that it to me is
you don't have to be president to have an impact
on the country. And I think that Mamdani, you know,
if he's if he's smart, and he seems to be
very savvy about how to handle things, a great communicator,
of course, you know, you can go a long way.
And I think that shows that America's diversity. I mean,

(02:33:47):
if anything, New York City is the poster child for
diversity in a city. I mean, there are so many
people from so many different parts of the world, and
that's what I lived there. I mean it was exciting,
you know, I mean city that never sleeps two am
and somebody's right behind you on forty ninth and ninth.

Speaker 13 (02:34:06):
Oh yeah, I mean, I remember I went into the
Navy in the early sixties and I got my wings
in Corpus Christio driving to San Diego to get in
the squadron, and I stopped in this town in Texas.
I have a small town. And I walked in and
the guy said, where are you from?

Speaker 19 (02:34:25):
And I said, New York. He said, well, that's where you.

Speaker 13 (02:34:27):
Have all the jays and ends, you know, and I good, Heavens,
And you know, I had no idea to like that
because we had got a Pensacola Corpus Christie. I mean
what it was like in the sixties, you know, before
we had integration and everything like that. But growing up
in New York, I went to school with African Americans.

Speaker 19 (02:34:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:34:51):
No, it's sad to hear that, but you know, I've
heard that unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (02:34:55):
I've heard it in a lot of places in the Northeast.

Speaker 4 (02:34:58):
But the point is that you know that that was
so so prevalent. I mean, obviously, you know the Civil War,
and you know the integration in the South, what happened
in the sixties prior to the Civil Rights and the
Voting Rights Act. So you're you're right, And again I
think that that shows a maturity, and you know, and
the and the American people, the people around the world

(02:35:21):
respect that. And you know, I think it's really important
that that that continues to be that shining light. You know,
the Statue of Liberty, you know, in the harbor of
New York, and you know that that's what it is.
You know, you can't see it behind me, but I
actually had a poster where I bought from a store

(02:35:41):
I don't know if it's still there in New York
twenty years ago called Paris. And it's the iconic photograph
of the Statue of Liberty in a in a storage
in Paris, you know, one hundred fifty on hundred, twenty
years ago. Whatever being are more than that being sent
to the United States in a crate on a ship

(02:36:04):
and it's still in the in the crate.

Speaker 1 (02:36:08):
You know, it means something.

Speaker 4 (02:36:10):
And I think that if people understand what it means,
and the Democrats and and if some Republicans want to
do this and stay away from Trump and say, look,
I don't believe in what you believe in, mister Trump.
So you know, sorry, I'm not voting for you next time.
You know, when it comes time for me to raise
my hand to vote for, you know, some of these

(02:36:31):
insane laws. I'm voting with the Democrats, and I think,
I think if one or two of the rolls Republicans
do it, they'll be thirty before too long, and they'll
be sixty before too long, and then eventually they'll be
kicked out of the Republican Party and the Democrats will
win big time in November of next year.

Speaker 1 (02:36:48):
But I think it's going to take those heroes, right,
you know, I think so.

Speaker 4 (02:36:53):
I mean, you know, obviously, you know he will continue
to try to vote suppress and that's obviously still a
big issue.

Speaker 1 (02:37:00):
But to me, that is really what it's about.

Speaker 4 (02:37:03):
But Larry, it's so great to hear your you know,
your perspectives and and and growing up in New York
and and understanding, uh, you know, that horror of going
from the most diverse city for a long long time
in this country, in New York City, to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:37:18):
So it is great to hear from you, my friend.
We look forward to hearing from you next week.

Speaker 4 (02:37:23):
And you know, I think I thank you very much
for spending the time with us today and and talking
and telling us these stories, particularly on on what is
at stake seriously with the nuclear weapons.

Speaker 13 (02:37:35):
Well, we had more time, I would tell you my
Dick Cheney stories, but.

Speaker 1 (02:37:40):
We'll do it next week, promise.

Speaker 4 (02:37:46):
Yeah, that's that could be one h of course, the
late great uh Dick Cheney passed away a couple of
days ago. I also want to mention, by the way,
I haven't had a chance to SETI Warren, who was
the mayor of Newton, Massachusetts, who passed away at a
very young age think it was fifty five years of
age for those in in Massachusetts and knew him very well.
You know, it's really really uh a tragic story. And

(02:38:09):
the condolences to his family. Larry, thank you for spending
time with us today.

Speaker 19 (02:38:14):
Okay, take care next week.

Speaker 1 (02:38:16):
You see you next week.

Speaker 4 (02:38:18):
We're gonna play folks A A conversation we had last
night with Gary Soald, who is a fantastic political consultant,
senior advisor to to Gray Davis. He was in in uh,
you know, in the Gray Davis camp. That whole thing
with Schwarzenegger, you know, came in UH and the and

(02:38:41):
the and the scandalous energy crisis and so forth, and
and again this shows what corporate America will do but
I think that you get an insight from Gary, who
knows California like the back of his hand. He worked
for Grey Davis when he was when he was lieutenant governor,
so he's done a lot of statewide races.

Speaker 1 (02:39:03):
So he was with us last night, of course, in.

Speaker 4 (02:39:04):
A very joyous night in California as they and the
numbers were coming in. You know, you could see even
though the polls hadn't closed yet, but the lines outside
in places like Torrance, California, where MSNBC and CNN we're
showing these massive lines. And of course people can vote
by my male in California, so you don't have to

(02:39:26):
go to the polls. It's not some of those states,
So that's why we wanted to do this. For most
of you didn't have a chance. We're going to try
to come back in a minute or so, say goodbye
at five point fifty seven or something. But here is
Gary South from last night on our election special aired
in California on Cumulus KBCKSFO Gary South, we'll be right back.

Speaker 1 (02:39:49):
The team there, David.

Speaker 4 (02:39:51):
All right, We're going to go from the great place
of the California Teachers Association to a great mind and
somebody who understands California politics understands the national political landscape
as well. He was the senior advisor to Governor Gray
Davis from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and three

(02:40:11):
and a longtime political consultant, has worked Mini a race.
He is Gary South and he joins us via audio
from Los Angeles, and it's great to have Gary with us. Hey,
it's fantastic man. Big night for the Democrats nationwide.

Speaker 16 (02:40:30):
Hey, Jeff, how are you.

Speaker 1 (02:40:33):
I'm doing well, very excited tonight.

Speaker 38 (02:40:35):
Yeah, well I am too. I must tell you We've
had a couple of you know, lean years here, but
tonight really was a repudiation of Donald Trump across the board,
from the West coast to the East coast, from the
north to the south, and Republicans won nowhere. I mean,

(02:40:57):
Democrats won the New York City a mayor ship over
a Trump endorsed candidate, as you know, because ultimately endorsed
Cuomo won the New Jersey governorship over a Trump endorsed candidate.
In Virginia, they they did, they did a they did
the a triple win governorship, lieutenant governorship, attorney generalship. But

(02:41:19):
it didn't stop there. Because in Pennsylvania, as you know,
all three Democratic uh Supreme Court justices were retained. And
even in Georgia, Democrats flipped two statewide public.

Speaker 16 (02:41:34):
Service commissioned seats.

Speaker 38 (02:41:36):
And by the way, to add insult to injury, Jadie
Vance's half brother lost lost of Cincinnati. So I mean,
this was a.

Speaker 1 (02:41:48):
What's wrong?

Speaker 38 (02:41:51):
Well, this was a repudiation not only of Donald Trump
but of JD. Vance. I guess you could say. I mean, obviously,
the votes are not counted yet in California on Prop fifty,
but it's going to win overwhelmingly. You've seen the You've
seen the polling along along the way, and I must
tell you know.

Speaker 16 (02:42:11):
The No campaign here was on on Prop.

Speaker 38 (02:42:14):
Fifty was was really a total fail on several fronts.

Speaker 16 (02:42:21):
Just just let me dive deep, do a deep.

Speaker 38 (02:42:23):
Dive on on some of the things that happened here
on the No side that that I think are going
to lead to this overwhelming victory tonight. They the first
thing was they obviously couldn't address the literal elephant in
the room, Donald Trump in a state where he has
a twenty nine percent job approval rating and when which
he lost all three times by margins of twenty.

Speaker 16 (02:42:44):
To thirty percent.

Speaker 38 (02:42:46):
He was the villain in this whole thing, because this
was all prompted by what he what he induced the
Texas Republicans to do, and the No side not only
couldn't defend him from from the S side's attacks, but.

Speaker 16 (02:42:58):
Couldn't even mention him. And then second, despite all and
this is this has national political implications.

Speaker 38 (02:43:05):
In terms of the money factor, because despite all the braggadocio,
early on, you remember Jeff, that booted speaker, Kevin McCarthy
was promising to raise one hundred million.

Speaker 16 (02:43:17):
Dollars to fight out.

Speaker 1 (02:43:19):
I wonder where he's the No fundraising.

Speaker 38 (02:43:23):
The No fundraising never really took off, and it didn't
even approach the level of funding that would have been
necessary to make it even a dent in the power
of the Yes arguments. And at some point, well we'll
probably never know the inside story of this, but at
some point, probably early on, the big GOP donors, both

(02:43:43):
here in California and nationally, decided this was a lost
cause and they sat on.

Speaker 16 (02:43:48):
Their wallets, and even.

Speaker 38 (02:43:50):
Trump himself did absolutely nothing to shepherd money to the
No side. So since you know, on the messaging front,
they couldn't defend Trump. What messaging they did try to
muster was to arcane. It was too abstract, it was
too historical to.

Speaker 16 (02:44:08):
Connect with voters.

Speaker 38 (02:44:09):
We talked about this last time on your show. You know,
it was basically, oh, tut tut, you know, don't vote
to overturn something the voters passed fifteen years ago in
twenty ten that the typical voter doesn't remember today, probably
never really understood in the first place, in terms of
how the Citizen Redistricting Commission was selected or how the

(02:44:30):
process worked. And in addition to that, if you're a
California person and you know you followed the elections here
over the decades, you know, our current constitution was adopted
in eighteen seventy nine, and since then it's been amended
more than five hundred times.

Speaker 16 (02:44:48):
More than five hundred times.

Speaker 38 (02:44:51):
So it's not unusual, even in a typical election year
to have two or three constitutional amendments on the ballot.
And so California voters literally have no hesitation or compunction
about amending our state constitution. So making that one of
the bases of their arguments, oh, don't.

Speaker 16 (02:45:08):
Don't amend the constitution.

Speaker 38 (02:45:10):
Constitution is sacred what was never going to resonate with.

Speaker 4 (02:45:13):
With with voters, and neither is Arnold Schwarzenegger trying to
tell you the American people, you know, what's going on
is just trying to steal the constitution. You know, please,
I mean, you know, well, in addition lessons of a
constitution from Schwarzenager.

Speaker 16 (02:45:33):
Please, well, you're right, Jeff.

Speaker 38 (02:45:36):
And and in addition to the messaging, there was the
matter of messenger because the Yes campaign used not only
Governor Newsom, who's terrific on TV, but President Obama came
in Senator Elizabeth Warren and Democratic superstars like Alexandria O
Cassio Cortez and Jasmin Crockett.

Speaker 16 (02:45:56):
Meanwhile, I don't.

Speaker 38 (02:45:57):
Know if you saw any of the No side spots,
but they mustard.

Speaker 16 (02:46:01):
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 38 (02:46:03):
They had on the air the mayor of your Belinda
and so, and some black preacher from from South la
that no one had ever heard of. And then you
mentioned Schwarzenegger. If you saw the spots, they did. And
by the way, interestingly enough, despite the fact that there

(02:46:25):
was this pressure on the Republican side to get Schwarzenegger
more involved in this, he did cut an ad. He
did cut a TV ad, but they only ran it
for a period of one week for just a few
million bucks. I think it was five points something million dollars.
And if you saw the ad, I mean he looked

(02:46:47):
for all the world like he's been living in a
cave for a couple of years. So I mean, I
have to say, you know, in all my time in California,
having having run ballot measure campaigns both on the yes
and the no side, this is really one of the
most imbalanced ballot measure campaigns I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (02:47:06):
Well, it's great, and a lot of people, you know,
we're a big part of it, Gary, and a lot
of friends that you have in the Democratic Party were involved.
But I want to say this, and I think, and
you know, we had on somebody you know very well,
Congressman Pete agili Are earlier, and I thanked him as

(02:47:27):
an American citizen. And I thank Gavin Newsom we hope
to have on soon, you know, for basically saying to
Donald Trump, not on my watch. You know, you know,
you can do all you want, all your bs, but
it's not going to take place, and we're going to
basically fight back about what you're doing in Texas right now,
and we're going to do it, you know, the way

(02:47:48):
it should be done all around the country. We'll go
back in twenty thirty two and do the right thing.
But the point is is that we got to fight
fire with fire, and he started the fire.

Speaker 1 (02:47:58):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:47:58):
You know, Massachusetts has a whole thing. You know, we
celebrate every year, you know, Lexington and conquered and the
first shot fired and all this stuff, right, Well, Gavin
Newsom fired the first shot and he as we see tonight,
you know, looking at the at the board at MSNBC
with all the wins in New York and Virginia and

(02:48:19):
New Jersey and Pennsylvania, I mean, that's how it started,
you know, So kudos to him and his team, I
know you know a lot of them. Well to me,
this is is really how it began. And you know
the five seats that the Democrats, you know, if it
wins tonight, which we all think it will overwhelmingly, I

(02:48:39):
think it's going to have a massive impact on who
wins the House in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 16 (02:48:44):
Your thoughts, well, I agree.

Speaker 38 (02:48:46):
With you, and I the biggest winner tonight, of course,
is Gavin Newsom. Himself, who, through his sponsorship of Prop
fifty and it's what will be his easy passage, you know,
clearly becomes the most prominent national face of no doubt,
of the Democratic resistance. And you know, going stepping back
even before profit major Democrat to step out of the

(02:49:14):
box and start giving Trump a taste of.

Speaker 16 (02:49:16):
His own medicine.

Speaker 38 (02:49:18):
Yeah, I mean, Trump is a classic narcissist and bully
and the only thing he recognizes is a punch squarely.

Speaker 16 (02:49:24):
In the face.

Speaker 38 (02:49:25):
And what Democrats have been doing is wringing their hands
and clutching their pearls and talking.

Speaker 1 (02:49:30):
About to happen.

Speaker 38 (02:49:33):
He's going to destroy Western civilization. And you know, for
a narcissist, he actually gets off on that. He says
to himself, Oh wow, how powerful and omnipotent I must be.
People are afraid of me. They think I'm going to
bring I'm going to destroy American democracy. So taunting him
and making sport of him, you know that his massive

(02:49:53):
ego can't take And that's exactly what Newsome did. And
he was the first major national Democrat to step out
of the box and do that. And thank god, you know,
as a Democrat, thank god that a democrat finally figured
out how to go after him and has the courage
and skill to do it, and then you know, on
Prop fifty it's going to win big.

Speaker 16 (02:50:15):
But this was not an easy push or an automatic winner.
You know, the path.

Speaker 38 (02:50:20):
Was strewn with potential pitfalls all along the way and.

Speaker 1 (02:50:26):
Blind minds everywhere.

Speaker 38 (02:50:28):
Yeah, yeah, it would have been the end of his
presidential quest most likely if he lost it.

Speaker 16 (02:50:32):
But you know, and I told him this actually yesterday too,
We texted back and forth.

Speaker 38 (02:50:36):
But the absolutely adroit way that he.

Speaker 16 (02:50:39):
Posited and positioned and.

Speaker 38 (02:50:42):
Promoted this initiative was was a master class, even to
those of us who've been around a while and have
run numerous ballot measure campaigns. It was a master class
in how to power through a difficult ballot measure where
people had all kinds of doubts, all kinds of questions,
how do you how do you do this in an
odd your election when it's the only thing on the ballot.

(02:51:05):
He really, he really gave us a lesson in how you.

Speaker 16 (02:51:10):
Pose and promote a ballot measure from start to finish.

Speaker 38 (02:51:14):
So I'm just I'm in awe basically of.

Speaker 4 (02:51:19):
How yeah, no, I mean, it is a masterclass. You know,
we talk a lot about communication and mom, Donnie is
doing that in New York City in his own way.
And I think in the end, you know, I think
coming over the next few days, you're going to see,
you know, two different people. Of course, Monddanni can't run
for president, but the fact is is that you get
two people who are communicating in different ways in different

(02:51:39):
parts of America.

Speaker 1 (02:51:40):
And to me, this is a big, big night to
be blue.

Speaker 4 (02:51:44):
You know, we have a photograph of you in a
blue sport coat and I was telling David Goldberg, the
head of the CTA, know you wore the blue as
well as I am wearing my blue sport coat and
I get a white with blue stripe shirt on.

Speaker 1 (02:51:57):
And I think this is a big night.

Speaker 4 (02:51:59):
And I think we have an opportunity as Democrats, you know,
to win in I think the House, and I think
the Senate is also very viable. I mean, as you
mentioned today, we're doing things in Georgia and places that
we need to win if you do want to win
in North Carolina and the Senate race, the Cooper race,
I think they're all very viable to do this. Your thoughts,
we get to buy a minute left here.

Speaker 16 (02:52:20):
I do too. And you know, I just saw some data.

Speaker 38 (02:52:24):
I haven't I haven't proofed it, but I just saw
some data that suggests that every single county in Virginia
today shifted blue, even the ones that Earl Sears won,
even the ones the counties that the Republican nominee.

Speaker 16 (02:52:41):
Won, all shifted blue. From by the way, a low
of about.

Speaker 38 (02:52:46):
Four point four points from twenty twenty four to up
to sixteen points. Every single county in the state shifted blue.
So it's not just what's happening.

Speaker 1 (02:52:59):
At the top of the what it's all the way down.

Speaker 38 (02:53:02):
Happening today down at the bottom of the ballot down
at for the county level and even the precinct law.

Speaker 1 (02:53:07):
Yep, there's no doubt. Gary.

Speaker 4 (02:53:09):
So great to have you on, my friend. We look
forward to it with great Partam. It is my pleasure.
That was Gary South.

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I want to.

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