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It is our two of the Jeff Santo Show, and
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have been telling you to go ahead and send trying
to avoid a sneeze here. If you're watching us on
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your photographs and your thoughts about what it was all
about with no kings, And you're not going to have
a better person to talk about that than our next guest.
Alex Lawson was part of a number of groups and
his Social Security Works which he's an executive director there,
along with our friends at the ACLU and move on
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dot org and of course Indivisible to put this great
coalition together and an event that I went to with
smaller ones. I didn't go to the Boston one or
any of the other big cities, but it was such
a sense that I said has said the other day,
of people coming together understanding our democracy is at stake,
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our country is at steak, and we're going to fight
back peacefully. And that was the whole case around the country.
It was a peaceful work. So let me just bring
in our good friend Alex Lawson and give him my
city novation, because in order to stand up, I have
to get out of the shot. So it's it's fantastic
work he did. Alex, thank you so much for joining us,
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and thank you for putting together an amazing event with
all of your compatriots there. Thank you for joining us today.
I think we have some audio issues. I think you're muted. Hopefully, Jaalen,
(09:06):
we can get that corrected, because otherwise I can't hear you.
I'm very bad at sign language, so hopefully we can
get that squared away. With our good friend Alex laws
in here. Folks, Again, the real concern here is that
we need to keep this momentum going. You know, I
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let off the commentary and Jailen let me know when
we have in my ear, when we have Alex's audio
taken care of, the one thing that I think is
so critical here is to keep that momentum going and
to work with people like Alex, like mister Levin and
miss Greenberg, Indivisible and all these folks. A lot of
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them are very young, a lot of them have the
energy that you need. And you know, if the Democratic
Party leadership in the House and Senate in particular do
not do this, that's a huge mistake because together we
are better. And I mentioned earlier daval Patrick the line
that he had on the signs and bumper stickers. Together
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we win, Together, we're better something like that. It's been
over ten years, so but I believe that this is
an opportunity for the Democrats to win. That's why I
connected the dots to Mom Donnie as well. And hopefully
once we get Alex's audio situation taken care of, we
can move forward and get his thoughts about where we
(10:35):
go from here, because I know that they had a
meeting the other day, and that meeting obviously took care
of a number of issues that we're you know, going
into this meeting and how you're going to come out
of it, how you're going to work together, and there
is a lot to be had here, and you know,
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this is a critical time as we head into November fourth,
as we've talked about not only in California, you know,
in Prop fifty and what is at stake there with
those five seats, some in Central Valley, some in southern
California that need to be wins for Democrats to offset
what the Republicans are doing in Texas. And again, for
(11:18):
those of you who are new to the Jeff Santo Show,
California is not playing for tat with Texas. They're fighting
fire with fire, but they're going back to the rules
that were put together by Republican governor Schwarzenegger, who is
a waste of space as a governor, much better actor,
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even though you can make some issues about that too.
But anyways, and the Assembly which is controlled by both
the Democrats and also the Senate too, you get that,
and twenty thirty two, you revert back, you revert back.
So this is because Trump has done this in his
fascist takeover, and that's what he wants to do. So
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the Democrats, led by Gavin Newsom, is fighting back, fighting back,
and that's what you need. Democrats need to do, and
that's what they were doing on the parks and on
the streets of this country on Saturday, led by Alex
Lawson and again Jalen let me know when he's ready
to go. If we can only do audio, let's do
audio and we'll move forward. But really would love to
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hear from Alex as we approach here the second hour
of the show. You know the other piece of the
puzzle that Democrats need to work on, and I think
this is another part of it. Look, you cannot have
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you cannot have scenarios where you let stars die on
the vine. And this is what I was saying earlier
about Mom Donnie, and I think Alex Lawson, once we
get him connected, we'll underscore this and we see what.
You know, how things have changed dramatically in California since
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Gavin Newsom stood up to Trump and how he can't communicate.
These are all things, all things in which, in my view,
we can move the agenda forward. And this has to
be paramount, paramount to moving this thing and this agenda forward.
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If you can't do that, then you've got major problems. Okay,
we understand. We have Alex on audio only. Alex, welcome back.
Sorry about these technical stuff. Hopefully you can hear me.
Speaker 11 (13:44):
I can, hopefully you can hear me. I blame the robots.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, okay, well the robots have a definite blame, you know,
AI and all that. Okay, well again, thank you for
putting together this massive the event and great event and nonviolent,
peaceful event on top of it all. You know a
lot of people are asking me, okay, Jeff, so how
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do the Democrats, how do the progressives come together? And
I said, well, I'm going to talk to Alex laws
if there's anybody that understands how to bring people together
who it's instrumental, And I mentioned this in the last
couple of days, we had Jim Roosevelt on FDR's grandson
and of course Rules and Bylaws Committee co chair at
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the DNC. Is that did Joe Biden Bernie Sanders alliance
I know you were involved with that gave Bernie gave
Biden a sixty one percent approval rating with that American
Rescue Plan in early twenty one. You know, the Democratic
Centrist moved away from that a little bit. That failed
on build back better You're going to you got the IRA,
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but that could have been much stronger. And then you
know a lot of things went off the rails after
Democrats lose in the House in a very close race.
But you're still lost. And that's that's the bad thing.
We still lost. How do we keep going? And to me,
the momentum we have to take advantage of that. Your thoughts,
(15:20):
you're exactly right.
Speaker 11 (15:23):
You know. The good news is that I was part
of pulling together no kings, but so was the seven
million people who came out in the streets. And you
know no one told them to do that. I meaning,
I'm not going to get into the ridiculousness of the
sorrows checks that whole thing. But I mean actually very
(15:46):
differently than many things that people have seen before. This
is distributed organizing. This is actually what you know really
was undergirded Bernie twenty sixteen run when it was just
able to just really explode, right, and that it was
just enormous so fast, Right, And how how.
Speaker 15 (16:09):
Does there happen?
Speaker 11 (16:11):
Because it's it's a leader full movement, right. It's not
one person saying, hey, do this. It's literally thousands of
people around the country who were like, we're gonna put
something together. Uh, and we're gonna stand up and we're
going to say no to authoritarianism. We're gonna say no
(16:33):
to trump Ism. We're gonna say no to you know,
a fetal thing people off of our streets. We're gonna
say no to the federal government ripping healthcare away from
fifteen million people and doubling the cost of it for
twenty four million more. So, the things that bring us
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together is that the majority, vast majority of Americans are
looking at what Trump is doing and saying this is
the wrong direction. Yes, we have to fight this. The
biggest symbol of Trump is he's just tore down the
(17:16):
East wing of the White House. He decided to do it,
and he's replacing it with the Epstein Ballroom, right so
that he can feel more comfortable, because that's the venue
that exactly comfortable in. He wants to destroy America and
build that Steam's ballroom. So the thing that is driving
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people right now is an absolute rejection of trump Ism.
And then you say, well, what are we fighting for?
And again the answer is pretty simple. It's a country
that works for the people and not for the billionaires.
A countryman, one man and his billionaire cronies don't get
a trillion dollars in tax handouts by feeling it a
(18:01):
trillion dollars for medicaid and closing hospitals. So I think
that practically what happens here is we have the mass mobilization.
New networks are formed, friendships organizing, and then they come together.
We just had the what's next call last night, you know,
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enormous turnout. Again, people aren't done after one day protesting
in the streets. That's their call to action to say
now what. So the fight is right now against the
Republicans shutdown, and we need to take it to the
Republicans in the contested.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
District couldn't agree with you more. We're talking with Alex Loston,
executive director of Social Security Works, part of an organization
why coalition that involved our friends that Indivisible, move on
a CLU and many other organizations, and he understands that
together we win. You know, I was talking about deval
(19:04):
Patrick and O six. Nobody expected him to win. You
could connect that to what my mom, Donnie is going
through right now as we speak, got less than two
weeks from the election there. And you know, one of
his signs it was either together we win or together
we're better, or something of that sort. But the point
is that's true. The evidence was with as I said earlier,
with the Biden Bernie coalition and you know, this progressive
(19:29):
moderate coalition. I talk with our good friend d NC
member and former NAACP Eastern Massachusetts director Mel Poindexter the
other day, and you know that's that's how we win.
And we can win big time on this. And again
you understand this, Alex, because you're, you know, if you
(19:50):
want to call me too, a Bernie disciple, and he's
talked about the economic issues you know, before anybody else did.
You can't see it unfortunately now because we lost the
video connection. But I am holding up my duncan coffee
bag of Dunkin Donuts fan. They don't call it donuts anymore,
but I still like the dunkin Donuts parts of it.
And the reason I'm holding this up. We've been talking
(20:12):
about it all the time, and I'm hoping that a
lot of the people running for office can can talk
about this. And you steal my thunder here. It's fine.
I went into the local grocery store that you know,
sort of the working class, middle class grocery store in
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts SNS, and it cost me seven
(20:35):
dollars and ninety nine cents for this pound of coffee
that I have on the video screen three one week
later in late September, and it's been this way ever since.
Fourteen dollars. That is your Trump tariff economy. And you know,
this is something the Democrats should drive home because it
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was he who put the high towers on Brazil because
he wants to he wants to hang out with his
dictator buddy Balsanaro, and d Silva wanted to put him
in jail, which he deserved to do after all the
shenanigans that he did in Brazil. And this is an
Americans have to pay the freight fourteen bucks for a
pound of coffee. It's insane, but that's where we are
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and we need to make that a point of contention
all around this country. And it's not just dunkin Donuts coffee.
It's a lot of other companies too, and that is
a staple of the American breakfast historically in this country
for centuries. And I just feel that we have the momentum,
we have the issues. Let's be bold and let's be progressive.
(21:41):
Alex your thoughts, Yeah, I think you are seeing that.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
You know, the lies sort of work until.
Speaker 16 (21:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
I was trying to use some sort of bacon coffee
metaphor here, But rubber meets the road right when you
have to go to the grocery store and spend your money.
And that's what's happening. I mean, you've seen Donald Trump
is in a full fledged fight with the cattle ranchers
(22:14):
of the United States, like some stall work Republican supporters,
because Trump is now saying he's literally command control economy,
trying to direct the purchase of Argentinian beef over American
beef after giving them forty billion dollars, right, forty billion
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dollars to his buddy idiot libertarian in Argentina, and their
pesos still crashing record lows again today it's just fifty
forty billion dollars of our taxpayer dollars lit on fire.
And then he's seen the cattle ranchers. So people are
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understanding that Donald Trump is not some sort of genius,
you know, has an economic and foreign policy. This is
a very unsophisticated man who's just bumbling his way through
things and then lying about it because he gets away
with miss making. He's quite good at it, right, He's
(23:21):
don't believe you're lying eyes. But that only works for
so long, Jeff. Right. When it is undeniable that people's
healthcare costs are about to double, and the majority of
it is in Maga country, twenty four million people, the
majority of those people are in red states, the voters
(23:43):
are getting hit the hardest, so like it's coming in
of people's faces in a way that they can't ignore,
whether it's their cup of coffee or the price of
their beef. Donald Trump is not only not lowering prices,
he's raising prices faster than anyone even thought possible. With
(24:07):
his idiotic tariff regime, which makes no sense, you know,
like it doesn't have a coherent theory. It's basically just
another way of him getting kickbacks, right, because this is
also the most corrupt administration in the history of the
United States of America. He just ripped down the East
(24:29):
wing of the White House, Jeff, and he's letting billionaire
corporations pay for the Epstein Ballroom to replace it. And
guess who's getting a little bit off the top. I'm
sure every one of his family members. That's the way
syndicate works. And you know what the thing is, the
reason it's so easy to call out is because it's
(24:51):
very mundane, Jeff. You know this, look around the world.
This is how many countries operate, right, He's not making
this game up. He talked to Vladimir Putin. Vladimir Putin said,
I don't understand why the President of the United States
isn't the richest person in the world, because that's how
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Putin thinks.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
That's how they think. Exactly Look, we had one of
our to use the state. You're exactly right. Talking with
Alex Lawston here, executive director Social Security Works. Of course,
he was part of the great, great team that brought
us no King's rallies. Seven million people in protesting here,
largest ever gathering of protests and rallies in the United
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States history. I want to talk to you about something, Alex.
On that point. Our good friend Jerry Austin, political consultant,
was Jesse Jackson's campaign manager in eighty eight, and Paul
Wallstone Caraen Molsey brought in the others and one of
the things that he went to Hungary a few years
ago to work for up the opposition to Orbon but
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one of the other candidates, and they couldn't even get
a newsletter out. Imagine running a campaign as you and
I have been involved in many that you can't send
out your own direct mailers. I mean, it's just unbelievable
that is coming to us if we don't take care
of business here and make sure we win back the
House and Senate and impeach mister Trump once and for all.
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And you know, Republicans have to do their part, because
I don't think Democrats are gonna have sixty votes, but
they're going to have to be you know, seven eight
whatever it is Republicans to be able to do this
and maybe less if we can, you know, put together
a string here. But this is where we're at. These
are examples that we just not making this stuff up,
you know. These are examples that people come on this
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show and tell us the story of what has happened
in places like Russia, in places like Hungary and so forth.
I think that that's really why we need to keep
this going. Now. Is there any sort of I don't
know strategy that came out of the meetings. I think
there was supposed to be a meeting on Tuesday, I
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believe is there anything you can divulge if you can
tell us about what is the next steps here, whether
it's another rally, whether it's certain issues that you'll be
talking about Alex, Yeah, I.
Speaker 11 (27:24):
Mean it's everything is as public as you can get
if you go to no Kings dot org or What's
next call was two days ago, that's right on Tuesday.
The video is there, you can you can watch it.
It was live out to tens of thousands of people. Uh,
and so many more have watched it afterwards. There are
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a lot of things that people are you know, engaging on.
The thing about a mass mobilization is that brings together
a broad spectrum of people. But the key is that
people are organized.
Speaker 12 (28:03):
Right.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
That and a mass mobilization, a mass protest of seven
million people. The best thing that it can do is
it can connect people into an organization, a local organization
or a national organization. But you know, your local indivisible
is going to be one of the best places that
(28:25):
you can plug into to amplify your power. So the
thing that has to come out of No Kings is
more so than Okay, we're going to work on this
thing first, but I will get there. But the first
thing is to get organized. If you came to know
Kings because you just sort of read about it or
(28:46):
heard about it, now's the time to get involved in
planning it right in going to the meetings and making
your voice heard. Let people know what how we can
make it better because it's not the caviling. It's up
to all of us.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You're right, I'm about that. I got thirty seconds, Alex.
I think November fourth will also be another tipping point.
I'm donning in New York City, what we do with
Prop fifty in California, all of that. So we got
a lot of people who can get involved. You can
get involved in these campaigns in Jersey, Virginia again, New
York City, California. So there's a choice is there's a
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platpool around the country, can get involved. Alex Lost, an
ed of Social Security Works, Thank you, my friend, get
you on video next time. All the best, so much,
thank you. We'll be right back.
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of Massachusetts. We are going from New York City to Washington,
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d C. And now to New Jersey, where we find
our great friend, the former deputy chief of staff to
Governor Phil Murphy. A little background from Massachusetts. He was
born in Massachusetts, and of course she is now the
fantastic director of government relations for the New Jersey Educators
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Association also has a few other roles in the political
arena there too. It's so great to have her as
part of our team and hopefully now on a weekly basis.
Deborah Cornovaka joins us on the phone. Deb great to
have you back. How are you today? Happy Thursday?
Speaker 24 (34:33):
Thank you, Jeff. I'm honored and thrilled to be here,
and I do want to share with you a little
bit of my Massachusetts history. My father grew up in Midway, Massachusetts,
so the government there you go. We're probably the only
two Patriots fans in the state of New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Beat those giants. Well now I know Medway, I've been
many times. Well, fantastic and thank you, thank you, and
thank you mister Cornovaka for producing a fantastic daughter who
is a fantastic spokesman for spokesperson for the Democratic Party,
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deb and for the New Jersey Educators. Actually more importantly
when you get down to it, because the teachers are
the backbone of our society and the backbone of the
Democratic Party. Okay, so much to talk about. Unfortunately you
can't see this, but as somebody who grew up in Massachusetts,
you know about Dunkin Donuts and now they call it
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Duncan well here in Massachusetts and probably in New Jersey
as well, since they've gotten national, now international. Really, the
Duncan brand has been in my household for many, many years.
And I went to the grocery store back in early September,
it was seven dollars and ninety nine cents for a
pound of coffee. Thanks to the Trump tariffs, particularly on Brazil,
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where most of the coffee comes from, it's now fourteen
dollars for a pound of coffee. Deb I would love
to see you know, Mss Mikey, Cheryl and Spanberger and
Mandani and our friends in California where they also combuy
Duncan coffee, and tell people about this. This is the
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Trump economy that we're going to be living with for
years to come if we don't start winning elections, not
only in California with Prop fifty, but in New Jersey
where you are, and of course in Virginia in New
York City as well. This is an economic issue that
Democrats should drive home on a daily basis, the Trump
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tariff economy, and Donald is driving us into a dumpster.
That's where I look at it. Your thoughts about how
that message should be put front and center.
Speaker 24 (36:51):
I absolutely agree. First of all, I'm a huge coffee drinker,
so I feel that price per pound, and we are
Duncan state altho wahwah does rule in New Jersey.
Speaker 18 (36:59):
I got a given here.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Here's what they'll say.
Speaker 24 (37:02):
First of all, tariffs cost us, right the people in
our country paying every day, trying to live paycheck to paycheck.
We're the ones who are going to bear the brunt
of the cost of these tariffs. We bear it at
the grocery store on the prices for any kind of
good in grocery stoes, hardware, construction, all of it. But
we also bear it sometimes in job locks because a
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lot of these places, to try to save some money,
are going to cut staff because they know they have
to raise the prices on their goods. So it's not
a good economic tactic for us. It should be front
and center. And by the way, the cost of the
tariffs is happening already, but we're about to be on
a healthcare cliff right starting November first, when the ADA
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goes out and people can get on the exchange, they're
going to find their premiums, quadruple double triple quadruples because
of the end of the subsidies. And that's what the
Democrats are fighting for the federal government. That is what
it's got to be fighting for. In the state of
New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Ors, well, well, it's no doubt. Again we're talking to
the former deputy chief of staff to Governor Phil Murphy,
the current governor and a very good governor that has
been mentioned many times, is a potential presidential candidate. One
of the things deb and you know, I think this
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is a critical piece of the election here and you
are in the middle of it. We're just talking with
Alex Loss and the Social Security Works executive director there
in DC and the Progressive coalition that helped Joe Biden
in the first year is a sixty sixty one percent
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approval rating of the Bernie Sanders wing, coupled with the
Biden wing, gave the American Rescue Plan. I think that's
going to be another key piece, you know, not only
in the next couple of weeks, because that's already sort
of baked, but going forward in twenty twenty six, there's
a lot of congressional races that are going to be
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up for grabs, some in New Jersey and all around
the countries, I mean California where our friends are listening
to us now in CASEAA am ten fifty, we're on
four to six, and maybe some news coming that way
in the near future as well for us. And you know,
there are a lot of people in this country that
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are depending on the Democratic Party and organizations like the
National Education Association, kind of the parent of the New
Jersey Educators Association, are going to be critical here. And
as I said, teachers are so important not only to
America and the future of America, but they're important to
the Democratic Party coalition. I'm wondering because you've seen this
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all that kind of coalition that is, you know, Union Focus,
that is involved with you know, our friends in and
small business community, that is involved with folks who support
Bernie Sanders and again who supported Biden. That to me,
that to me is a fantastic coalition. And want to
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get your thoughts on this because not only for the
next two weeks in Jersey, Virginia, California, and New York City,
but going forward in twenty twenty six. Talk to me
about that because to me, that I think has to
be driven home. We were talking to Jim Roosevelt, the
FDR grandson yesterday. If you put together that coalition which
works so well in the first year in twenty twenty one,
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and they got away from that and we saw what
happened in twenty two in the midterms, I think this
is something that if Democrats can come together, is a
win win for a long time to come your thought step.
Speaker 24 (40:51):
First of all, I hope you're right, so second of all,
I agree that you are right to potential exist to
build that coalition tight. And perhaps I'm biased, but I
do think that unions at the center of it are
core and I'm you know, I'm listed up by the
fact that union support where you pull nationally is at
an all time high, and while union density is very low,
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it is increasing, right, And we've seen big efforts to
unionize places like Amazon, Starbucks and other big corporate entities
that have been taking advantage of people. And really having
a unified labor front across different sectors is both critical
to the success of those sectors. In strong union sea states,
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you see better educational outcome in strong union states. For construction,
you see better safety outcomes and better quality of construction.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
We know that that.
Speaker 24 (41:46):
Correlation and causation are there, and it's a matter of
all of these different lanes of labor coming together and
then bringing our circle bigger and being really inclusive and
making it clear to all of us that we have
more to gain by coming together and putting our differences aside.
Where we differ, then we will if we remain kind
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of separate but kind of loosely together. Right, What we
really need is that tightness of that commitment, and then
we need to go out and organize. And that's something
that unions do better than any other organization.
Speaker 12 (42:22):
I know.
Speaker 24 (42:22):
We're not afraid of door knocking, of calling, of doing
phone banks, and of talking to our friends and neighbors
about the issues that are important. So I think that
the potential exists, but the work begins now. If we
want to win next year, take a few congressional feats back,
we've got to be working on it now, which we're
certainly doing here in New Jersey. Is part of the
gubernatorial and it won't stop but November.
Speaker 11 (42:42):
When the Dolubinatorial is over, We're going to be.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Moving right into the congressional no doubt about it. And
that is I think critical to the future of this country.
The democracy use at stake, and of course for Democrats
to win and to win big going forward, because there's
a lot of things to be done, including the Supreme
Court and the expansion of it and getting rid of
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the Electoral College. There's a lot of stuff that, in
my opinion, needs to be taken care of. Open up
the phone lines at A three three five four five
five three three three, Jalen, let me know who we
have when we have a call or two, and try
to get that into deb going forward. I want to
ask you a little bit about you mentioned unions and
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some of the folks who are part of the American
Federation of Government Employees as an example, we look to
have on in the coming days, and they are literally
people who have been fired by Trump and Doge that
are in food lines, food lines. This is a sad
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day in America where people who will work for the country,
you know, who could be working, you know, in another
job making a lot more money now are stuck in
this kind of America. And this to me is why
the unions are so critical, you know, to help people.
(44:06):
And you know, I don't know this to be a
fact in particular, but probably those unions are the ones
that are putting on the food drives for their members
because you know, you're not going to get this from
the federal government. You're not going to get this from
private companies that can tell you that. So talk to
me about how this reckless fascist psychopath in the United
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States president currently has ruined lives. You know, we talk
about farmers. We were talking earlier with her boy, the
great African American journalists about black farmers and how their
lives have been screwed, and Alex Laws and just on
before you talking about farmers in general across this country,
in Red America. You know, this is this is human lives.
(44:56):
These are people. There are your neighbors in New Jersey
and my neighbors here in Massachusetts. Give me your thoughts
about this, because this is how people got together the
seven million and said enough is enough. The other day
on the No King's rally. Your thought step that's.
Speaker 24 (45:14):
Right, Yeah, And what a tremendous show of solidarity that
that those rallies nationally were, you know, and I'm bullied
and I'm energized by them. Look, it is absolutely shameful
that we are at a point in our democracy and
I've got to put that kind of in quotation marks
at this point that the fight is over affordable healthcare
(45:37):
for people who desperately need it, right, which is what
this fight is about. The Democrats have held their votes
because they want the subsidies to continue so that people
can get affordable health care on exchange. That is something
that we should never have to like bargain the shutdown
of government over it should be fundamental to what our
democracy provides the people who live in this country. But
(45:58):
that's where we're at, and it is it is you know,
tragic to me, right, military families where they may have one,
you know, one part of the family deployed overseas getting
in a food line right now. We also know, from
the perspective of our educators, if WICK and SNAP aren't
funded at the beginning of November, which is the current threat,
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our school children are going to come into work hungry
and they are not going to learn when they're not fed.
And so I know our members regularly will mobilize quickly
and they'll begin to do food drives amongst themselves and
distribute food through the schools and conjunction with food banks.
But those food banks may also be losing their funding,
so they may not have their resources. There is no
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world in which we as a country should find it
acceptable that this is no level at which we're functioning.
But unfortunately, because as you pointed out, we kind of
have a fascist regime approach to governing right now and
not a democracy, it seems that the majority of the
people are sacrificial. You're the president in office. He is
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willing to see people suffer, go hungry, lose their health
care to try to make some kind of power play
that he wants. The rallies are what gives me hope.
The activism, the ordination, and the coalition building that I
see on these issues what gives me hope that we
will fighte back. We will take care of our federal
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employees at the ploye of crisis right now, and we
will be energized to make sure that we're pushing to
do the right thing come the next cycle of elections
so that we can put a stop to this just
savage path of destruction.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Well said. We're talking to Deborah Cornovaka, given the new
Jersey Educators Association and Government Relations director, formerly the deputy
chief of staff to Governor Phil Murphy. The New Jersey
current governor. Of course, there's a race coming up on
November fourth that we hope our good friend miss Cheryl
(47:58):
Mikey Cheryl wins wins big. We don't need any any
close race. That's for sure enough of the anxiety moments
that we've had over the years. All right, let's go
to the phones. Talk to our good friend John in Minnesota.
You're a next with the deb Cornovoka here on the
Jeff Santa Show. Go right ahead, John, John. Did we
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lose John? Okay? Well we lost him. Well, let me
ask you this deb is there in your mind a
way to sort of continue to make the coalition that
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you see just a few miles north of you in
New York City with Mom Donnie, who's an electric candidate
and a great communicator. And you know, once that happens,
you know, in November fourth, you know, ahead of the polls.
Obviously things can happen in two weeks. We all have
seen that in our political media careers. But you know,
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to me that will benefit you know, people in New
York because he's tackling some of the issues that have
been before New Yorkers. You know, if you remember, I
don't know what it was twenty thirteen or whatever, there
was an individual, an African American individual who talked about
and used the line the rent is too damn high.
(49:37):
And that's still the case in New York, in New Jersey,
in Boston and San Francisco, La Chicago, on and on
and run around the country. And and if you can't
house people, you have tremendous problems with homelessness and houselessness,
and you get you know, people in the streets and
what creates problems there. And you know, now with the
ice situation, and it is, you know, it's just an
avalanche effect. But to me, when you have a good communicator,
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in this case, an excellent communicator, as we're seeing with California,
with Gavin Newsom fighting back and taking charge in California
against Trump, that is a huge, huge help to defer
us on the Democratic side. Some people may say, you know,
I don't agree with them on the grocery stores and
the government being involved or whatever the case is. But
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when you have a dynamic communicator, and you know, we're
seeing we're seeing a number of these folks, you know,
come out now in very important times. Jessica Crockn in
Texas comes to mind and so forth. That to me
is incredibly critical to the pushback because you've got to
be able to communicate what Democrats stand for, and you
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know that it's the FDR world and we're going to
push back on this fascist person who cares nothing about
anybody besides himself.
Speaker 24 (50:56):
Your thoughts on that, I'll say that long ago was
taught by someone have had the privilege of working with it.
The only politician you're likely to agree with one hundred
percent of the time is yourself. So if you want
one of those people run for office, right so, you know,
we all need to be realistic about who's running in
the field, who's willing to run these days, and you know,
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wholeheartedly get behind the people who are going to really
stand up for the average uh, the average person, the
hard working people who get far to left behind far
too often by corporate America. You know, I think being
a great communicator is a huge advantage and it helps
galvanize people. But I want to, you know, offer the
sobering piece that you still have to be able to govern,
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you have to be able to implement, and I think
I think that that's a place where we often you know,
we work really hard to get someone elected and then
we kind of send them on their way and they
were like, go fix everything.
Speaker 11 (51:52):
And I think.
Speaker 24 (51:55):
You want a democracy, right, yeah, exactly, get it done
firste hundred days. I want everything take care of. But
I think we have to be participants in helping to
solve the problems because especially when we're talking about, you know,
taking on corporate developers, corporate realtors, and like big corporate
entities that are really just siphoning money away from the
working class. It takes a lot of us organized together
(52:19):
to give the politicians to re elect the cover they
need to get these hard things done. And we can't
just walk away when the election is over. So I
love hearing a great order, uh. And they're motivating and
they're they're going to help unify and galvanize ours as Democrats.
But then we've got to stay a course with them,
(52:39):
and we've got to be ready to fight with them
to implement the changes that they want to bring about.
But cannot do it if we're not their shoulder to
shoulder with them in that flight.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
So Dat we are talking with Deborah Konnovaca again, the
former deputy chief of staff, to Governor Phil Murphy and
now the government relations director for the New Jersey Education
Association UH, part of the NEA and and a major
major factor of how we win going forward. As I said,
there will be congressional races in New Jersey.
Speaker 19 (53:13):
UH.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
And that's just one state. You know, several states that
could determine who is in control, which is critical you
know for the democracy, not only for the Democratic Party,
but for for every American to get not to get
out of this fascist regime that we're in right now.
Deb talk to me a little bit about, you know,
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how teachers, educators in general are dealing with the cutbacks.
We talked to your good friend Melissa Thomason the other day,
and you know, the money pot has dried up as
she talks about, and you know, this affects how you know,
Johnny and Susie are you know, our basic taught You know,
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you can't you know, keep skipping on this because eventually,
whether it's special head teachers or whatever the cases may be,
you know, it comes down and it affects people and
there and their ability, uh, you know, to succeed later
in life. Whether it's seventh grade is in the case
of Melissa or eighth grade. Talk to me about this
(54:22):
because I know that this angers you as it angers
me and many others who want to see You know,
children get the best education, the best public school education
you can get, but this guy doesn't care about them,
never did, never will. And this this is where you
know these cutbacks are are really really problematic. But yet
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you know that doesn't get a lot of attention because
there's so many other issues that are in front of
us right now that are a crisis mode. But it's
becoming a crisis for educators. Talk to me about that
and what you're doing to push back.
Speaker 24 (54:59):
Well, it absolutely is, and thank you for recognizing that
we're educators. Our members are more than just the classroom teachers.
They provide every service in a school building, including our
bus drivers who get the kids safely to and from
school every day, and we're all feeling the same frustration. Look,
first of all, at the state level, money is always
tight and it's hard to cover the needs. And our
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educators are always saying, if you want off to succeed,
if you want to see better results, here's the things
we need. We need more teacher aids in the room,
we need more prep time, so that we can collaborate
with our fellow educators about the kids who we know
are having a challenging time and figure out a coordinated
way to support them. You know, we need less standardized
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testing and more time to teach, to do projects based learning.
They keep reiterating the things that they need, and they're
not always listened to, and instead, you know, legislators and
decision makers come in with ideas that might help, but
they're not listening to the educators. And then you layer
on top of that the perfect storm of COVID money
just about being gone. So a lot of districts that
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they had an infusion of money for COVID and some
of them unfortunately used it to supplement operational costs, are
going to find a big shortfall. And then you have Trump, right,
who's decimated the Department of Education and who have threatened
funding both for education direct but then all these other services. Right,
Remember that Snap, if you're a Snap family, you're going
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to get free and reduced lunch in school. That's funding
that could go away next month. Medicaid dollars go into schools.
It's one of I think it's one of the top
five funding streams we get from the federal government into
schools in New Jersey to provide both mandated and supplemental
services to students. When that goes away, we're going to
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be at a deficit. And what all of this does,
combined with by the way ICE is you know, told
they can go into schools, is create this instability and insecurity,
which is one of the hardest things to work through
when you're an educator trying to create safe environments for
students to learn and to thrive. And so even if
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those dollars don't actually all dry up, damage is.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Already being done.
Speaker 24 (57:10):
Can you layer on top of it what the federal
government is leaving in terms of staffing for dat collections,
for enforcement of civil rights, and you have a real
perfect storm for harming a generation of kids. And like
you said, we can't make up for that, right they
get they get one one try at K through twelve,
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and we owe it better than what the federal government
is delivering right now.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
You know they talk about COVID, Well, Donald Trump was
president in the beginning of COVID, and you know the
situation that so many people and you know a lot
of parents died of kids, a lot of things that
were not reported upon. You know, then they talk about,
you know, the COVID issue and how that affected. Well,
the point is is that, you know, we have a
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person who's reckless. I don't really know what happened. God
forbid if we have another pandemic. But the point is
is that we need to help people, and we need
to help people regardless of your And this is the
great thing about public school teachers. They're not looking at color,
they're not looking at sexual orientation, they're not looking at
all of these things that you know, the right wing
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crowd of of of reckless racists, you know, just kind
of pounce upon, particularly with the trans issue and so forth.
And this is why it's so vital to support your
your teachers and get your educators, the bus drivers, from
people who come in and help out in the lunch room,
all of these folks. And this is a critical, critical
component that we have. Deb Thank you so much for
(58:42):
spending time with us today. I know you've got a
bunch of meetings ahead of you, so I appreciate you
taking time out of your busy day, and we'll we'll
talk next week, you know, as we approach the final
days of the campaign and what we'll bring and uh,
there's there's always a lot of news and teachers are
right in the middle of it. Thanks so much, Deb
(59:03):
for appreciate your time today.
Speaker 24 (59:06):
Always an honor. Thank you so much, Jeff, take care.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Thank you, Deb Cornovaka right here on the Jeff Santos Show.
We're going to try to make it a weekly visit
with her and her great comrades as the head of
government relations for New Jersey Educations and Association and again
her former role so she knows the political insight and
out here as a former deputy chief to the Governor
of New Jersey, Phil Murphy. We'll be right back with
(59:32):
an entire hour with former Massachusetts former Maryland governor, not Massachusetts,
former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley. Again, he was the last
good Social Security commissioner before the reckless regime came in,
and he was under Biden the last two years, so
we get into social Security as well. You're tuning into
(59:53):
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course our three online. We'll be right back.
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a number of issues. Our good friend, Governor Martin O'Malley
joins us from Baltimore right now via video, and Governor,
it's great to see you and great to have you
on the program, thank you so much for taking time
out of your data help us absolutely.
Speaker 15 (01:08:44):
Jeff, thank you for being out there. Thank you for
highlighting the really important issue of social security. There are
three top things that people are most anxious about. The
greatest numbers of people in our country. One of them
is the cost of their healthcare, which is going up
because of the cuts of the Trump administration. The other
(01:09:05):
is Medicare, and then the third one is Social Security
because of all of the cuts to customer service and
the huge numbers of employees who have been forced out
of the agency, oftentimes paid with our money to leave.
So look, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Well, Governor. It's so great to have you on, so
great to see you on video. I you know, just
want to let you know that I have this dunkin
Donuts pound of coffee here. I'm going to just get
your quick questions and we'll get right into the real
major concerns of Social Security. This is the prop that
I use because about a month ago I went into
(01:09:44):
I went into the local SNS grocery store at one
of the bigger chains in New England, and it was
seven dollars and ninety nine cents. Three weeks later, or
actually one week later, and still the case, it's fourteen.
This is your Trump tariff America, and this is you know,
(01:10:06):
on steroids. If you can't afford to get a cup
of coffee because it pays fourteen dollars per pound, something
is wrong. Something is fishy in Denmark. And this is
the corruption that we have in the White House, and
that corruption goes to everyone who's working for President Trump.
(01:10:27):
It's hard to even say that word together, President Trump.
And you know it's affecting who runs Social Security now.
They took over from your great work for a couple
of years under Joe Biden, and now the Baltimore Sun
reports that there is more corruption from the individual who
is running Social Security now. And Democratic members of Congress
(01:10:52):
are looking into the corruption of the debit card system,
which we've talked about and you can get into more
details here, and this is what we're dealing with. The
current commissioner is as unfortunately, part of the same corrupt
gang that President Trump is brought in. And this is
(01:11:15):
sad because this is what affects people who need their
Social Security, who live on Social Security, and this is critical.
And we have more people now taking the money and
put it into their profit and of course Trump does
it all the time, puts it into his pocket. Your
thoughts about where we stand today on the twenty third
(01:11:40):
of October twenty twenty five in Social Security, Yeah, well,
let me.
Speaker 15 (01:11:46):
Start with a little bit of good news, and it
is this because of the heart, the compassion, the commitment
to others. That is all about the mission shared by
the hardworking people who remain in a hostile work and
environment at Social Security. But because of their love for
their neighbors, we have not yet seen a major interruption
(01:12:11):
of benefits. But these are some of the things that
are going on. Number One, the biggest exodus of employees
that the agency has ever suffered, and that's at a
time when they were already at a fifty year low
in staffing, so they're probably down around a sixty year
(01:12:31):
low or more in staffing. And of course it's an agency, Jeff,
as you know, that serves people that it's not a
drive through window. These are people that process claims, that
take the accurate data that it's been collected from all
of us working in the economy for years, and processes
those claims. So largest loss of staff because of the
(01:12:52):
cuts of the Trump administration and the way they sent
the doose demon with a virulence there. The second thing
that we have seen is the proposal. It was promised
by the current regime that they were no longer going
to send paper checks to the five hundred thousand some
(01:13:13):
people who have difficulty getting to a bank for a
number of reasons we can talk about. Many of them
are homeless as well. And they said that we're going
to cut off these checks. In the same month that,
as you noted in that Baltimore Sun article today, in
the same month that the commissioner's former company, FISURF, somehow
(01:13:36):
won the bid. Suddenly after the winning bidder for some
reason that we still have yet to understand, pulled out
and the second runner up pulled out. So at the
same time they're telling people go find a bank or
apply for a direct express debit card, they're telling people
that they're no longer going to receive paper checks. And
(01:13:59):
now there's another threat on the horizon, and that is
it would appear that they are the Trump administration wants
to move forward with changes to the criteria under which
people are granted an allowance for a disability. If they
(01:14:19):
should be injured at work or their back goes out,
they can no longer do the work they're a customer
to do. People have to apply for that, Some are allowed,
some are disallowed according to the criteria and the evaluation.
So what they want to do now is push thirty
to forty percent of people over fifty who are granted
(01:14:40):
those allowance because there's an additional consideration depending on the
age of the claimant for post reason, and they're short
of Medicare. And this is going to be the biggest
rollback of disability benefits since nineteen fifty three when Dwight
Eisenhower the disability aspects of Social security into law. So
(01:15:04):
those are kind of the top three major things that
have happened, and we were Sometimes when the democracy is
alerted and people rise up and call their congress people,
they pulled back on some things. Let me give you
a few examples. Initially, Doge put a whole bunch of
field offices and almost every regional headquarters of building on
(01:15:28):
a list saying they're all for sale. They pulled back back.
They made the mistake of wanting to close field offices
into of the highest ranking Republicans districts.
Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
You can't make no figures.
Speaker 15 (01:15:44):
Yeah, the Chairman of Appropriations and the chairman of the
sub committee that oversees Social Security read Or were told
by their constituents that those was going to close the
field offices and their districts. So they pulled that back.
Another thing that perhaps maybe they will pull back is
(01:16:05):
this paper check thing. But the third one of that
they pulled back I hope so as well. I mean,
we looked at that and the merits of it and
determined that the adverse impact on those five hundred thousand
people would not be worth the squeeze, you know, in
terms of relatively minor savings in the overall administration of
(01:16:28):
a program that actually operates on less than one percent
compared to benefits. But the third one, and this happened
back in March or April. You know, they were paying
people to leave the agency. If you were retirement eligible,
they would pay you for the entire year not to
come to work. Keep in mind, these are the same
(01:16:49):
people that scoffed at telework and thought it meant that
people weren't coming to work or weren't doing work, which
is totally false. But then they paid people for the
entire calendar year and still are to just quit. They
told others that were not retirement eligible, we will give
you cash to leave, and if you don't take this
fork in the road and the cash, you may well
(01:17:12):
face restructuring. And that was after they just illegally fired
whole divisions of Social Security, the Office of Customer Service Transformation,
the Office of Civil Rights and Equal Opportunity. So they
pulled that one back. They were headed for fifty reduction
(01:17:33):
in it staff, and then even though they had people
signing up for it, they told them at the last minute,
we're no longer offering you this cash payout. Well, we
decided to call you essential. So sometimes when the democracy
rides is up, call your congress people and they call
actually as people, Congress people and both parties, they do
(01:17:54):
pull back their hand from the burner.
Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Talking with Governor artne O'Malley, of course, the former Social
Security Commissioner under President Biden, God we wish we had
him now because of all of these corrupt elements, and
it becomes extremely difficult to think positive with this regime,
this reckless fascist regime in power right now. And again
(01:18:20):
the people that are appointed are either you know, ill equipped,
you know, dangerous, reckless officials surrounding an individual who is
not very smart and frankly doesn't care about what happens
to citizens unless they're big funders to his campaign or
part of the one percent. And that's the sad part
(01:18:41):
about it. As we talk with Governor O'Malley here on
the Jeff Santo show phone number to join us eight
three three five four or five five three three three.
Let me ask you this, Governor. The other day, we
had this fantastic, very peaceful and non violent event, the
(01:19:04):
No Kings. I went to a couple not in the
big cities of Boston or New York, but smaller mid cities,
smaller towns, and people would come out. I mean, you
had a diverse group, you know, Latino, African American, Asian American,
you know, firefighters, police officers, retired folks and you know,
(01:19:25):
babies in the crowd and so forth, and everybody get along.
It was an America that is the shining city on
the hill, right, But we have this dark cloud over us.
And to me, when people come out and they see
that the clouds are coming over them and the storm
is about to hit, they get engaged. And to me,
(01:19:49):
because of that, I have some hope that we, as
the African American Proverbs says said many times, we shall overcome.
And I feel confident that the more and more people
get engaged. And those protests the other day, again nonviolent,
were I think critical that you know, seven million people
(01:20:12):
plus get engaged that we can hold back some of
these outrageous cuts, some of these acts by Trump and
his folks. Talk to me about that, because you know,
that gives people, you know, who see their their coffee
prices go up. Who see that now the average car
(01:20:33):
in America will cost the average new car in America
will cost fifty thousand dollars. Seeing and reporting on that
the other day, you know, I mean, it is not
morning in America. I can tell you that you know
quite well as well. And you know, but we got
to change. And Democrats and progressives and people who are
(01:20:55):
not you know, have a label of politics. They just
want to see their country better. But I'm hopeful your
thoughts Governor on people coming together to protect grandma and
grandpa and their mom and dads on social Security and
other things that have been really taken for granted, you know,
since Roosevelt did this.
Speaker 15 (01:21:17):
You know, in the nineteen thirties, Jeff, like you, I
was out there at the now King trallies and I
barnstormed a few of them. I was invited to do
a town hall that same weekend on social security and
Ampa Florida, and I went to several of them around Tampa.
And for whether it was five million, six million, or
(01:21:40):
seven million, there were probably just as many people on
the highways and byways who saw that. And it was
really heartening to see so many people honking their horns
and giving thumbs up in addition to the people that
were out there for the rally. You know, authoritarian leaders
win in part by exhausting the public and making them
(01:22:02):
feel like their voices and their opinions don't matter, and
people retreat.
Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Yes, I think a lot.
Speaker 15 (01:22:09):
I think a lot of younger people are doing that
right now. I hope, hopefully they will, they will come around.
But back to your original point. You know, when I
was running for governor and running for re election as
governor after a recession, we used to carry a kitchen
table with us on the back of the little green Winnebaga,
(01:22:31):
and we carry it out as if it were the
seal of Maryland itself and set it in the middle
of the stage or the room or in front of
the you know, hall of people at a union hall
or where have you. And and that kitchen table is
really the most important table in democracy because America is
(01:22:53):
an economic promise.
Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
You know, people from over the world I'm.
Speaker 15 (01:22:57):
Here because we are the land of opportunity. There aren't
many other countries that have that brand, and right now
that brand is in tatters. So we need to stay
focused on the tangible, real things that people care about
the most. That's how we get people back. Your governor
(01:23:19):
or you, I mean, I know that a lot of
the listeners are in California is one of the most
I think effective governors in America today. I've worked with him,
you know, when I was at the consulting firms, and
he attracts a really good group of people. They actually
execute and they follow up. And I think he said
it best. You were talking about the dark clouds. You know,
(01:23:42):
the moment is here. All of these things are happening.
The disgusting metaphor of the People's House, the White House
being demolished, and Donald Trump saying he likes the sound
of it because it means money, and that demolition paid
for by some of the wealthiest people and wealthiest corporations
(01:24:05):
in America. We could go through a whole litany of things,
and you know, I'm a Democrat, and as a Democrat
and a progressive, we tend to lapse right into the
litany of all of the groups of people that are
being hurt by this guy. But there is also in
order to get the public, you know, to take back
(01:24:29):
their country, our country, not us exclusively. It's our country.
We have to stick to those kitchen table issues, your
coffee example, social security.
Speaker 14 (01:24:42):
Right.
Speaker 15 (01:24:45):
I don't know why many Democrats have such a difficult
time saying the two flipping words of social security. These
x midterms will turn on social security because things of
the agents will not be getting better. They will beget
progressively worse as more and as these guys look to,
(01:25:07):
you know, carve off pieces. This is not a group
of people between the between the ideologues, the lawless idiologues
no regard for laws, regulations, the constitution, and the business
guys who think they never saw a piece of government
that wasn't that didn't have the potential of being privatized
(01:25:29):
so they and their buddies can make some money on it.
And that's the that's the troubling undercurrent of this direct
express contract at social security. I'm quite sure. I mean,
I think that this is pretty late breaking, but I'm
quite sure people like Ron Wyden from Oregon, who's the
(01:25:51):
ranking member of the Finance and also Congressman Larson. No
better defenders are fierce defenders of Social Security than those
do I'm in the Senate and the House and their colleagues.
I think we're going to have a lot of questions,
why how did you get for your company the Direct
Express contract, skipping over the top two didders at the
(01:26:15):
same time that you're telling half a million people they've
got to sign up for the Direct Express debit card,
which your company now makes money administering. So it's it's said.
A lot of these things, Jeff, are both outrageous and
not surprising at the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Unfortunately, not with this guy. We're talking with Governor Martin
O'Malley again, the last excellent, fantastic Social Security Commissioner under
Joe Biden. And of course now we as the governor
has just said, you know, we have somebody, you know,
(01:26:54):
once again profiting from Social Security from you and me,
from your mom and dad, from my mom and dad,
grandmother and grandfather, taking away money, putting it into the pocket.
And this is where we are, folks. In twenty twenty five.
We're going to continue with Governor O'Malley to the top
of the hour. We'll we'll take your calls at a
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three three five four five five three three three. We
break in a couple of minutes here, but before we
do break, Governor, the thing that that I think is
important and one of our callers, Mark from San Francisco,
who's a friend of the show and friend of mine,
is a little under the weather today. He wanted to
talk to you because he was the one. He's been
(01:27:37):
bringing this up for a long time about those who
are on disability and he talked about young people getting this.
You know, if you're twenty five years of age and
you lose your you lose you know, time from work
because you got injured, it's social security, that umbrella of
it that pays you. And with with these guys, these
(01:27:58):
these fascists, reckless Republicans in the House and Senate and
led by Trump, you know, this is what is at
stake now. So if you want to, you know, connect
with young people, you know, this is an issue that
needs to be brought up. And I hope more and
more Democrats bring up the issue that you just did
about what's going to happen to people who had an injury.
(01:28:20):
And again, if you're over fifty, then that's another another
level of more money that goes there. But talk to
me about that in the final minute or so we
have left on this segment again, we'll be with Governor
o'malleybu with us till six o'clock eastern, three o'clock Pacific time.
Go ahead, Governor.
Speaker 15 (01:28:40):
Yeah, Jeff, I have adult kids, and from their first jobs,
they've been paying into Social Security, and they're going to
be squeezed in two ways if these guys succeed in
some setting the program. In fact that the head of
the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the guy
(01:29:03):
I responsible for putting out, you know what the number
will be on the cost of living increase, I think
that'll happen tomorrow. He's actually said that he believes Social
Security should be sunseted. So if this program were to
be dismantled to the point that it goes away or
become sunseted, younger people are going to get the double
(01:29:25):
squeeze of it not being there for them after they'd
paid into it, and having to take care of the
generation ahead of them in their homes. That's the reality
for younger people right now, and that's the threat to
their No doubt in their libraries.
Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
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We're talking with our good friend and he is a
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twenty sixteen in the heat of the race for president
with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. This man is a
real patriot and somebody who understands what is needed in
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this country to protect the Roosevelt legacy. We talked to
our good friend Jim Roosevelt yesterday. Of course they have
worked hand in hand on a number of issues together.
And of course we're talking about Governor Martin O'Malley, the
former Social Security Commissioner under Joe Biden. As we bring
him back now alive to us via video from his
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home in Baltimore. Let me ask you this, Governor. We're
going to go to a caller John in Minnesota in
a minute.
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Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
I think that again, the American people, as usual, are
ahead of the folks in Washington.
Speaker 19 (01:35:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
You know you live in the Beltway and understand it. Uh,
just on the edge of it.
Speaker 15 (01:35:37):
Outside. We have our in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
There. But I hear you.
Speaker 15 (01:35:47):
The last time that the nation's capital's buildings were demolished
was by the British, and Baltimore stepped up. Then we
are a separate city, Jeff, we are not part of
of Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Inside, you're right on the edge. I agree for those geographically,
for people who it's an hour away, so people, there
is a difference, believe me.
Speaker 21 (01:36:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (01:36:07):
But culturally. Culturally, culturally it's many many.
Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Moons, oh, massive, massive. It is like the Grand Canyon.
Believe me. I lived in d C. I think a
total of eight years, so and I used to go
to Camden Yard.
Speaker 15 (01:36:24):
I was from the DC area. I moved to Baltimore
for law school. Matt, a beautiful, sharp, intelligent woman, race
here and stayed. But I've always been kind of struck
by the way that people in d C talk about
going to Baltimore, almost like they're they're taking a.
Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Trip road trip to the to the farm lands.
Speaker 15 (01:36:45):
Yeah, and yet people in Baltimore know that, yeah, it's
right down there. I can get there on the train
in a half hour. But they are, you know, fiercely
a separate city with its own identity.
Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
As I used to go, used to go to Memorial
Stadium before it Camden Yards was built, and it was
it was it was a different world, but a wonderful world.
And uh, you know, and and of course the Golds
play there for many years, the iconic Baltimore Coach until
the middle of the night, and Mayflower you know, trucks
(01:37:20):
took them away and moved them to Indianapolis, which has
never been the right since then. We're talking with the
former mayor of Baltimore, who was obviously understands the differences
of Washington.
Speaker 9 (01:37:34):
D C.
Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
And Baltimore. Uh, and from the rest of the you know,
outside of the Washington people and the folks that live
in the Maryland section that borders the nation's capital. So, uh,
there you go. We're gonna we're gonna bring in our
good friend, uh John from Minnesota here, uh in in
(01:37:56):
just uh in just a second, all right, and then
we'll go to Tom in Los Angeles. John, you are
next with Governor O'Malley here on the Jeff Santo Show.
Speaker 29 (01:38:05):
Go right ahead, Yeah, from flyover country.
Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
You know.
Speaker 29 (01:38:16):
You have an identity problem ourselves.
Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Nelly, I won't go into that, but no, no, no,
I think you grew up in New York.
Speaker 29 (01:38:25):
I do think that as far as social security, we
we we do need to take off the cap off
of social security. I don't want it Sunset and whoever
you know suggests that it is just you know, absolutely
an idiot. What what kind what civilized country in the
(01:38:45):
world doesn't have some kind of uh social security system
and uh social safety net? Not any that I would
want to live in, you know. I mean it was
tried and Chile and look at what happened there. I
don't want that to be the model for this country
(01:39:06):
of how you know, what government is about? Government should
serve the needs of the population. And being a recipient
of social security after working many years, I'm very happy
that there is such a thing, and it was part
of the planning for my retirement. And you know, I mean,
(01:39:31):
I'm not a multi millionaire, so I mean, if I
was a multimillionaire, I guess I wouldn't care. But how
many people in the country are multimillionaires. It's a very
infantestimaal You know, yonaires and millionaires, they don't.
Speaker 11 (01:39:48):
Yeah, anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
No, no, no, stay right there, John, Governor, go ahead.
Speaker 15 (01:39:54):
Yeah, John, thank you for your question. Let's talk a
little bit about the cap and one of the big
lives Jeff, that's constantly told about social security by those
that we want to set some set it. And by
the way, the plane language rebuttal to these big lives,
not only this one that social securities of Ponzi scheme
are going bankrupt, but other big lies which we could
(01:40:18):
unpack maybe later in this half hour, but all of
these are on mind with for my political action committee.
It's called Win Back Our Country. Or if you were
to google John O'Malley social security, mister Google would probably
take you to this site and so let me let
me underscore for your listeners this notion of the cap.
(01:40:41):
Most of us don't realize there's a cap to which
social securities, you know, payroll tax faika applies because most
of us don't make over one hundred and seventy thousand dollars,
and I'm around you here. It goes up with inflation
every year. So as a result, that means that somebody
(01:41:05):
who makes a family that makes one hundred and seventy
thousand dollars will pay eleven thousand into Social Security, but
a single person that makes one hundred and seventy million
dollars will also just pay that, you know, eleven thousand
into Social Security. In most Americans of both parties, eighty
(01:41:29):
percent say that's not fair once they learn about and
they should get rid of that cap. There have been
bills put into Congress, some of them say that once
you earn more than two hundred and fifty thousand, you
should start paying in some of President Biden indicated once
you make more than four hundred thousand, you should start
paying into Social Security again. And here's why it's so
(01:41:53):
important and why John asks about the cap, because since
the last adjustment to social Security, and this program has
never missed a payment in ninety years, which should make
it obviously to everybody it can't be a Ponzi scheme
because they don't last for ninety years. As you it
is a pay as you go program. But as the
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dynamics of our population are change, so too does Social
Security have to be adjusted by Congress. And back in
nineteen eighty three, they were on the brink of seeing
a shortfall and Social Security's ability to pay one hundred
percent of the benefits that people learned, and they didn't
(01:42:38):
want the democracy, the people on Social Security to suddenly
experience a ten percent cut in their benefits or whatever
it was at that time. So when they adjusted it,
one of the things that they did was to see
over the time horizon that all of us baby boomers.
For those of you not watching and only listening, I
(01:42:58):
am sixty three, which makes me the tail end of
that baby boomer generation. So they knew that they were
going there was going to be this large demographic bubble coming,
so they made sure that they built up a surplus
and when I was there, it was two point seven
trillion dollars. So that is the baby boomers moved through
(01:43:19):
their retirement years. The Social Security is able to pay
one hundred percent of benefits. And when people read the
scary headlines that say by twenty thirty three social Security
is going bankrupt, they're not talking about the eighty one
percent of the program in twenty three, or rather twenty
(01:43:41):
thirty three that would be people working in the economy
paying in and those same dollars going out. No, Instead,
they're talking about that surplus, which was always planned to
be drawn down upon to cover the baby boomers before
they go to their eternal reward. Is trip that that
surplus did not last till twenty fifty as they thought
(01:44:05):
it would in nineteen eighty three. But the reason for
that is this huge windfall that the wealthiest of Americans
enjoy in not paying into Social Security once they earn
one hundred and seventy thousand dollars. And so that's why
so many people say, look, we got to adjust that
cap and people that are wealthy come inequality. That ram
(01:44:29):
of Reagan push pushed a lot of the increased you know,
income in America into just that top six percent of Americans.
And by the way, it's only six percent of Americans
that make more than one hundred and seventy thousand.
Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
It's unbelievable. What has occurred when Republicans get in power,
you know, and Reagan Number one is this Yeah, I
mean this is where because they cut back on the
average American.
Speaker 15 (01:45:01):
But this is a fixable problem.
Speaker 11 (01:45:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (01:45:04):
They're always wanting to protect, you know, the wealthiest people
in America, whether it's trickle down economics under Ronald Reagan
or this uh, even worse concentration of wealth. Now, that's
what they're about. But the truth is the challenge is
facing Social Security in twenty thirty three to be able
(01:45:24):
to pay one hundred percent of benefits, and the customer
service crisis right now, which is shaking and quit.
Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
I want to talk to you about that, both of
the solvable problems. No, no, John, I get about thirty seconds.
If you have another question for uh, for Governor O'Malley
before we take another call, do you have a secondary
question for the governor John in Minnesota?
Speaker 29 (01:45:51):
Not really just a statement today. I guess they believe
in trickle up economics, trickling up to the highest inc
That's all. That's all I want to say.
Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
I think very well, said my friend, Governor. Do you
have a comment on that before we take our next call.
Speaker 15 (01:46:09):
No, go, let's get for the next call.
Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Let's go to Let's go to Tom in Los Angeles.
You are next with Governor O'Malley, the last Social Security
commissioner that actually had the ability to help the American people,
not this guy who puts money in his pocket with
a debit card. Go right ahead, Tom, You're next with
(01:46:32):
the governor.
Speaker 30 (01:46:34):
Hey, Governor Malley, first off, thank you for everything that
you do and the public servant that you are. We
the people definitely appreciate that. And we the people shouldn't
need government period. And when people say government is bad,
they're really saying we the people are bad. What I
want to say is, Governor Malie, why is it that
(01:46:57):
we don't talk and hat and talk about the history
of Franklin Donano Roosevelt with social Security, with the unemployment.
It's like the Democrats have a playbook. If they would
follow the playbook of FDR the things that he couldn't
(01:47:19):
get done after he died. But the thing is that
we would follow the playbook. I mean, Donald Trump is
following the playbook of Hitler. So why are we not
saying that we are proud FDR Democrats. And if people
don't know who FDR was, then shame on us as
a Democratic party, and shame on us for not being
(01:47:41):
able to teach history about one of the greatest presidents
that ever was in the White House. And I just
would love to have it where people could start understanding
who FDR was, and people on the Democratic side, including yourself,
could actually make a commercial and say I'm a proud
FBR Democrat. You know, they did that with Ronald Reagan enough,
(01:48:04):
and he was the one that screwed this whole country over.
Why do we not do that on the progressive.
Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Lap I got to amen for you on that one, Tom,
go ahead, Governor.
Speaker 15 (01:48:18):
Yeah, Tom. I'm not really sure that in this shutdown
it would appear that the leadership in the House and
the Senate want the Democratic members to explain to their
actions by staying totally focused on healthcare, which is important.
It's one of the top three most important people if
(01:48:39):
they're polling is to be believed, one of the three
top polling issues to the greatest numbers of people if
the polling is to be believed, and then it is
that Donald Trump and the Republican cuts to the Affordable
Care Act and the subsidies have provided for working people
to be able to afford their own healthcare, and that
(01:48:59):
is called healthcare premiums to go way way up. I
was in Arkansas doing a town hall with former Governor
BB and they saw fifty notices that we're telling people
their health insurance was going to go up by fifty percent.
If I were if I were a political advisor, I.
Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Would be careful Governor.
Speaker 15 (01:49:25):
I would encourage Democrats not only to say that they
want to see a restoration of the cuts to healthcare,
but they should say, I believe we want to see
a restoring of the cuts to social security and the
(01:49:45):
cuts to healthcare. If they could only say, find a
budget for two additional words in their messaging social security,
I do believe it would make it even clearer than
it is too many today. So I'm a big at
DR person. One of the prize's possessions is a picture
(01:50:09):
of I'm looking around for it here of I think
I put back up on a wall upstairs. I had
it in the Commissioner's office of my maternal grandfather standing
right behind FDR on that stage. One of the things
he didn't get to to your point that I pushed
when I was for a brief while on the national
(01:50:30):
stage and running for president in twenty sixteen, is that
we need a bill of rights for drinkers in the
twenty first century. And that would be something I think
that would galvanize not only the Democratic base, but would
make a lot of sense to a lot of people
who may even register as independents and Republicans. The ability
(01:50:55):
for it, you know, to hold a full time job,
the ability to balance work and home life, the right
to social security, the right to affordable healthcare. These are
all things that would be in line with FDR and
the huge popular support that still exists today for social security.
(01:51:18):
But we need to do more in our own time
to make this a country where everybody feels like they
have a stake their nation, their government has their back,
and they're going to do better by their kids than
even their parents did buy them. Right now, too many
people feel, you know, in the words of Bruce Springsteen,
you know, is the dream of life it don't come true?
(01:51:39):
Or is it something worse? For a lot of people,
the American dream seems like a hollow thing right now,
and maybe even a lot we have to do.
Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Better, no doubt, Tom, Thank you for the call and
your spot on. You know, yesterday a governor we had
on Jim Roosevelt, grandson of FDR, and you know, the
the understanding of the roadmap. And one of these days,
you know, we'll have a couple of hours to sort
of talk with some folks led by a good friend,
(01:52:08):
Alan Minsky, who's a regular on Mondays. He's the Progressive
Democrats of America executive director. He and a historian, Harvey
k have put together this twenty first century version of
FDR's Bill of Rights. And you know, this is something, Yeah,
this is something that I think is a great roadmap
(01:52:31):
for Democrats running in twenty twenty eight and for that matter,
for Congress in twenty twenty six. And you know, we
as we look to expand here to bring people understand this,
and you're one of them, and Alan, and obviously Jim
Roosevelt as well, and you know this is this is
critical because we don't have to reinvent the wheel. It's there,
(01:52:52):
you know. I mean, he won every time because these
were ideas that the American people understand good. And you know,
and that's why one of the reasons why I'm a
big fan of both Gavin Newsom and hopefully the next
mayor of New York City and Montone because they can
communicate what the needs are of the working class and
(01:53:12):
they can communicate how we move the country forward in
an FDR version. I mean, there's a lot of different
ways that it's been changed since nineteen thirty three when
he became president. But the point is is that that's
where we're got to go, and that's the Democrats. The
Democrats cannot be Republican light and be a majority party.
(01:53:33):
You're never going to do that because the authentic one,
and Harry Truman said it, you only need one Republican party,
not too So let's be authentic. And the question is
I think that if we talk about as you are
have been doing, and again we're going to put it
up on our website, Win Back our Country dot com.
(01:53:53):
And it is so critical that people understand what social
security is and how in the Michael Moore did a
great movie called Where to Invade Next, and one of
the things that he talked about is what FDR was
starting to do in the nineteen forties and then a
lot of other countries after World War Two, emulated. You know,
(01:54:16):
it started here. The incubator was here in the United States.
We need to get back to that. And that's the frustration.
You know, as a progressive advocate talk show host, you know,
we need to have that spirit. I think the progressive
populist in me is like to describe myself. We need
that push and I think we got all the issues
(01:54:38):
there there. We just need to articulate.
Speaker 11 (01:54:42):
Right.
Speaker 15 (01:54:42):
I could not agree with you more. The FDR, you know,
such a phenomenal president and he spent a lot of
time unpacking and communicating with Americans. You know why he
was advised pushing for and passing the laws that he did.
(01:55:04):
And he never lost sight of the kitchen table. Sometimes
in our litany of grievances, we do lose sight at
the kitchen table. You know, the fireside the fireside chats
that he did were you know, radio were legendary. So
I do you know, I continue to be hopeful. You know,
last night they gave a NASSI the National Academy of
(01:55:28):
Social Insurance gave an award called the Ball Award, and
it usually goes to somebody that's worked their whole life
or career at Social Security. I was humbled to be
one of two people that received that ball award last night,
and the other one, thank you, thank you. I don't
(01:55:48):
think I deserved it as much as the people that
are continuing to do that job there, and I accept
it in their honor. But the other person that received
the award was Mike Astrow George Bushes, Senate confirmed Republican
nominee for Commissioner. So there was a time when this
eagle flew best, when both wings were flapping. Right now,
(01:56:10):
the Republican Party has become something far different than that
party of that party of Eisenhower, who actually expanded social security.
Hopefully we'll get it back in the meantime. In the meantime,
the Democratic Party is the platform for restoring this Republic.
(01:56:32):
We are seeing a wrecking ball and a demolition of
its principles, its laws. But she's our country to fix.
She's our country defects. And I'm a huge fan of
Gavin Newsom, and I'm glad he's taking the actions that
he's taking now. And let's hope the people of California
(01:56:54):
rally around this moment and stand.
Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
Ups critically important and for the other forty nine states,
as you know, uh governor, and I wish you were
the chairman of the Democratic Party, and you know mistakes
were made, but we gotta we gotta move forward with
the current folks and help them, you know, get the
message out that you just articulated so well. We just
(01:57:18):
I think the.
Speaker 15 (01:57:18):
Party is a lot larger than the d n C too.
Everybody likes to that is true, complain about the d
n C. I mean, the party is those seven million
people that turned out at the No Kings rally. The
party is those people who work hard every day and
and and can't afford to take time off for political activism,
but deeply loved their country and are deeply disturbed by
(01:57:43):
the by the wrecking ball that's being taken to their
you know, uh, their republic, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
I know the good Bruce Springsteen saw by the way
the wrecking Ball. I've been to many of his shows
as well. It's so great to use that as pump music.
There you go, We may very well take your hint
on that, believe me. And I also want to say
one thing too, And I don't think we have enough
(01:58:12):
time for your response. Maybe we do, Jaalen, you can
tell me the time in my year I think getting
young people and whether we have people like you or others,
go on campuses in college but also into high schools
just to sort of, you know, give the history professor
if there is such a thing, or social studies professor
(01:58:33):
or teacher to understand how social security came about and
what it means for you as you get a little older.
I get thirty seconds here a governor to me, that
would be a great way of connecting the dots to
younger people. Thirty seconds.
Speaker 15 (01:58:49):
Yeah, I think we've failed to teach younger people about
our country and its institutions, it's principles and its laws
coming up. I think we were all so focused for
a time on increasing math and reading scores that we
allowed you know, social studies and government to fall off.
(01:59:10):
But the only you know, the only thing that's going
to save us as an educated populous that's right, stupid.
Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
Thanks, Thank you, Governor Malley. Great to be with you.
Well look forward to doing this again on a weekly basis.
It's Governor Malley on Thursdays. Folks. I want to thank
Jaalen producing this broadcast. Thank all our great guests and
our great callers. Keep on fighting peacefully until tomorrow. My
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a better person to talk about that than our next guest.
Alex Lawson was part of a number of groups and
his Social Security Works which he's an executive director there,
along with our friends at the ACLU and move on
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dot org and of course Indivisible to put this great
coalition together and an event that I went to with
smaller ones. I didn't go to the Boston one or
any of the other big cities, but it was such
a sense that I said has said the other day,
of people coming together understanding our democracy is at stake,
(08:18):
our country is at steak, and we're going to fight
back peacefully. And that was the whole case around the country.
It was a peaceful work. So let me just bring
in our good friend Alex Lawson and give him my
city novation, because in order to stand up, I have
to get out of the shot. So it's it's fantastic
work he did. Alex, thank you so much for joining us,
(08:41):
and thank you for putting together an amazing event with
all of your compatriots there. Thank you for joining us today.
I think we have some audio issues. I think you're muted. Hopefully, Jaalen,
(09:06):
we can get that corrected, because otherwise I can't hear you.
I'm very bad at sign language, so hopefully we can
get that squared away. With our good friend Alex laws
in here. Folks, Again, the real concern here is that
we need to keep this momentum going. You know, I
(09:28):
let off the commentary and Jailen let me know when
we have in my ear, when we have Alex's audio
taken care of, the one thing that I think is
so critical here is to keep that momentum going and
to work with people like Alex, like mister Levin and
miss Greenberg, Indivisible and all these folks. A lot of
(09:49):
them are very young, a lot of them have the
energy that you need. And you know, if the Democratic
Party leadership in the House and Senate in particular do
not do this, that's a huge mistake because together we
are better. And I mentioned earlier daval Patrick the line
that he had on the signs and bumper stickers. Together
(10:13):
we win, Together, we're better something like that. It's been
over ten years, so but I believe that this is
an opportunity for the Democrats to win. That's why I
connected the dots to Mom Donnie as well. And hopefully
once we get Alex's audio situation taken care of, we
can move forward and get his thoughts about where we
(10:35):
go from here, because I know that they had a
meeting the other day, and that meeting obviously took care
of a number of issues that we're you know, going
into this meeting and how you're going to come out
of it, how you're going to work together, and there
is a lot to be had here, and you know,
(10:56):
this is a critical time as we head into November fourth,
as we've talked about not only in California, you know,
in Prop fifty and what is at stake there with
those five seats, some in Central Valley, some in southern
California that need to be wins for Democrats to offset
what the Republicans are doing in Texas. And again, for
(11:18):
those of you who are new to the Jeff Santo Show,
California is not playing for tat with Texas. They're fighting
fire with fire, but they're going back to the rules
that were put together by Republican governor Schwarzenegger, who is
a waste of space as a governor, much better actor,
(11:38):
even though you can make some issues about that too.
But anyways, and the Assembly which is controlled by both
the Democrats and also the Senate too, you get that,
and twenty thirty two, you revert back, you revert back.
So this is because Trump has done this in his
fascist takeover, and that's what he wants to do. So
(11:59):
the Democrats, led by Gavin Newsom, is fighting back, fighting back,
and that's what you need. Democrats need to do, and
that's what they were doing on the parks and on
the streets of this country on Saturday, led by Alex
Lawson and again Jalen let me know when he's ready
to go. If we can only do audio, let's do
audio and we'll move forward. But really would love to
(12:22):
hear from Alex as we approach here the second hour
of the show. You know the other piece of the
puzzle that Democrats need to work on, and I think
this is another part of it. Look, you cannot have
(12:44):
you cannot have scenarios where you let stars die on
the vine. And this is what I was saying earlier
about Mom Donnie, and I think Alex Lawson, once we
get him connected, we'll underscore this and we see what.
You know, how things have changed dramatically in California since
(13:08):
Gavin Newsom stood up to Trump and how he can't communicate.
These are all things, all things in which, in my view,
we can move the agenda forward. And this has to
be paramount, paramount to moving this thing and this agenda forward.
(13:28):
If you can't do that, then you've got major problems. Okay,
we understand. We have Alex on audio only. Alex, welcome back.
Sorry about these technical stuff. Hopefully you can hear me.
Speaker 11 (13:44):
I can, hopefully you can hear me. I blame the robots.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, okay, well the robots have a definite blame, you know,
AI and all that. Okay, well again, thank you for
putting together this massive the event and great event and nonviolent,
peaceful event on top of it all. You know a
lot of people are asking me, okay, Jeff, so how
(14:09):
do the Democrats, how do the progressives come together? And
I said, well, I'm going to talk to Alex laws
if there's anybody that understands how to bring people together
who it's instrumental, And I mentioned this in the last
couple of days, we had Jim Roosevelt on FDR's grandson
and of course Rules and Bylaws Committee co chair at
(14:30):
the DNC. Is that did Joe Biden Bernie Sanders alliance
I know you were involved with that gave Bernie gave
Biden a sixty one percent approval rating with that American
Rescue Plan in early twenty one. You know, the Democratic
Centrist moved away from that a little bit. That failed
on build back better You're going to you got the IRA,
(14:52):
but that could have been much stronger. And then you
know a lot of things went off the rails after
Democrats lose in the House in a very close race.
But you're still lost. And that's that's the bad thing.
We still lost. How do we keep going? And to me,
the momentum we have to take advantage of that. Your thoughts,
(15:20):
you're exactly right.
Speaker 11 (15:23):
You know. The good news is that I was part
of pulling together no kings, but so was the seven
million people who came out in the streets. And you
know no one told them to do that. I meaning,
I'm not going to get into the ridiculousness of the
sorrows checks that whole thing. But I mean actually very
(15:46):
differently than many things that people have seen before. This
is distributed organizing. This is actually what you know really
was undergirded Bernie twenty sixteen run when it was just
able to just really explode, right, and that it was
just enormous so fast, Right, And how how.
Speaker 15 (16:09):
Does there happen?
Speaker 11 (16:11):
Because it's it's a leader full movement, right. It's not
one person saying, hey, do this. It's literally thousands of
people around the country who were like, we're gonna put
something together. Uh, and we're gonna stand up and we're
going to say no to authoritarianism. We're gonna say no
(16:33):
to trump Ism. We're gonna say no to you know,
a fetal thing people off of our streets. We're gonna
say no to the federal government ripping healthcare away from
fifteen million people and doubling the cost of it for
twenty four million more. So, the things that bring us
(16:56):
together is that the majority, vast majority of Americans are
looking at what Trump is doing and saying this is
the wrong direction. Yes, we have to fight this. The
biggest symbol of Trump is he's just tore down the
(17:16):
East wing of the White House. He decided to do it,
and he's replacing it with the Epstein Ballroom, right so
that he can feel more comfortable, because that's the venue
that exactly comfortable in. He wants to destroy America and
build that Steam's ballroom. So the thing that is driving
(17:36):
people right now is an absolute rejection of trump Ism.
And then you say, well, what are we fighting for?
And again the answer is pretty simple. It's a country
that works for the people and not for the billionaires.
A countryman, one man and his billionaire cronies don't get
a trillion dollars in tax handouts by feeling it a
(18:01):
trillion dollars for medicaid and closing hospitals. So I think
that practically what happens here is we have the mass mobilization.
New networks are formed, friendships organizing, and then they come together.
We just had the what's next call last night, you know,
(18:22):
enormous turnout. Again, people aren't done after one day protesting
in the streets. That's their call to action to say
now what. So the fight is right now against the
Republicans shutdown, and we need to take it to the
Republicans in the contested.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
District couldn't agree with you more. We're talking with Alex Loston,
executive director of Social Security Works, part of an organization
why coalition that involved our friends that Indivisible, move on
a CLU and many other organizations, and he understands that
together we win. You know, I was talking about deval
(19:04):
Patrick and O six. Nobody expected him to win. You
could connect that to what my mom, Donnie is going
through right now as we speak, got less than two
weeks from the election there. And you know, one of
his signs it was either together we win or together
we're better, or something of that sort. But the point
is that's true. The evidence was with as I said earlier,
with the Biden Bernie coalition and you know, this progressive
(19:29):
moderate coalition. I talk with our good friend d NC
member and former NAACP Eastern Massachusetts director Mel Poindexter the
other day, and you know that's that's how we win.
And we can win big time on this. And again
you understand this, Alex, because you're, you know, if you
(19:50):
want to call me too, a Bernie disciple, and he's
talked about the economic issues you know, before anybody else did.
You can't see it unfortunately now because we lost the
video connection. But I am holding up my duncan coffee
bag of Dunkin Donuts fan. They don't call it donuts anymore,
but I still like the dunkin Donuts parts of it.
And the reason I'm holding this up. We've been talking
(20:12):
about it all the time, and I'm hoping that a
lot of the people running for office can can talk
about this. And you steal my thunder here. It's fine.
I went into the local grocery store that you know,
sort of the working class, middle class grocery store in
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts SNS, and it cost me seven
(20:35):
dollars and ninety nine cents for this pound of coffee
that I have on the video screen three one week
later in late September, and it's been this way ever since.
Fourteen dollars. That is your Trump tariff economy. And you know,
this is something the Democrats should drive home because it
(20:56):
was he who put the high towers on Brazil because
he wants to he wants to hang out with his
dictator buddy Balsanaro, and d Silva wanted to put him
in jail, which he deserved to do after all the
shenanigans that he did in Brazil. And this is an
Americans have to pay the freight fourteen bucks for a
pound of coffee. It's insane, but that's where we are
(21:18):
and we need to make that a point of contention
all around this country. And it's not just dunkin Donuts coffee.
It's a lot of other companies too, and that is
a staple of the American breakfast historically in this country
for centuries. And I just feel that we have the momentum,
we have the issues. Let's be bold and let's be progressive.
(21:41):
Alex your thoughts, Yeah, I think you are seeing that.
Speaker 11 (21:47):
You know, the lies sort of work until.
Speaker 16 (21:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
I was trying to use some sort of bacon coffee
metaphor here, But rubber meets the road right when you
have to go to the grocery store and spend your money.
And that's what's happening. I mean, you've seen Donald Trump
is in a full fledged fight with the cattle ranchers
(22:14):
of the United States, like some stall work Republican supporters,
because Trump is now saying he's literally command control economy,
trying to direct the purchase of Argentinian beef over American
beef after giving them forty billion dollars, right, forty billion
(22:37):
dollars to his buddy idiot libertarian in Argentina, and their
pesos still crashing record lows again today it's just fifty
forty billion dollars of our taxpayer dollars lit on fire.
And then he's seen the cattle ranchers. So people are
(22:58):
understanding that Donald Trump is not some sort of genius,
you know, has an economic and foreign policy. This is
a very unsophisticated man who's just bumbling his way through
things and then lying about it because he gets away
with miss making. He's quite good at it, right, He's
(23:21):
don't believe you're lying eyes. But that only works for
so long, Jeff. Right. When it is undeniable that people's
healthcare costs are about to double, and the majority of
it is in Maga country, twenty four million people, the
majority of those people are in red states, the voters
(23:43):
are getting hit the hardest, so like it's coming in
of people's faces in a way that they can't ignore,
whether it's their cup of coffee or the price of
their beef. Donald Trump is not only not lowering prices,
he's raising prices faster than anyone even thought possible. With
(24:07):
his idiotic tariff regime, which makes no sense, you know,
like it doesn't have a coherent theory. It's basically just
another way of him getting kickbacks, right, because this is
also the most corrupt administration in the history of the
United States of America. He just ripped down the East
(24:29):
wing of the White House, Jeff, and he's letting billionaire
corporations pay for the Epstein Ballroom to replace it. And
guess who's getting a little bit off the top. I'm
sure every one of his family members. That's the way
syndicate works. And you know what the thing is, the
reason it's so easy to call out is because it's
(24:51):
very mundane, Jeff. You know this, look around the world.
This is how many countries operate, right, He's not making
this game up. He talked to Vladimir Putin. Vladimir Putin said,
I don't understand why the President of the United States
isn't the richest person in the world, because that's how
(25:13):
Putin thinks.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
That's how they think. Exactly Look, we had one of
our to use the state. You're exactly right. Talking with
Alex Lawston here, executive director Social Security Works. Of course,
he was part of the great, great team that brought
us no King's rallies. Seven million people in protesting here,
largest ever gathering of protests and rallies in the United
(25:38):
States history. I want to talk to you about something, Alex.
On that point. Our good friend Jerry Austin, political consultant,
was Jesse Jackson's campaign manager in eighty eight, and Paul
Wallstone Caraen Molsey brought in the others and one of
the things that he went to Hungary a few years
ago to work for up the opposition to Orbon but
(26:02):
one of the other candidates, and they couldn't even get
a newsletter out. Imagine running a campaign as you and
I have been involved in many that you can't send
out your own direct mailers. I mean, it's just unbelievable
that is coming to us if we don't take care
of business here and make sure we win back the
House and Senate and impeach mister Trump once and for all.
(26:25):
And you know, Republicans have to do their part, because
I don't think Democrats are gonna have sixty votes, but
they're going to have to be you know, seven eight
whatever it is Republicans to be able to do this
and maybe less if we can, you know, put together
a string here. But this is where we're at. These
are examples that we just not making this stuff up,
you know. These are examples that people come on this
(26:47):
show and tell us the story of what has happened
in places like Russia, in places like Hungary and so forth.
I think that that's really why we need to keep
this going. Now. Is there any sort of I don't
know strategy that came out of the meetings. I think
there was supposed to be a meeting on Tuesday, I
(27:08):
believe is there anything you can divulge if you can
tell us about what is the next steps here, whether
it's another rally, whether it's certain issues that you'll be
talking about Alex, Yeah, I.
Speaker 11 (27:24):
Mean it's everything is as public as you can get
if you go to no Kings dot org or What's
next call was two days ago, that's right on Tuesday.
The video is there, you can you can watch it.
It was live out to tens of thousands of people. Uh,
and so many more have watched it afterwards. There are
(27:48):
a lot of things that people are you know, engaging on.
The thing about a mass mobilization is that brings together
a broad spectrum of people. But the key is that
people are organized.
Speaker 12 (28:03):
Right.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
That and a mass mobilization, a mass protest of seven
million people. The best thing that it can do is
it can connect people into an organization, a local organization
or a national organization. But you know, your local indivisible
is going to be one of the best places that
(28:25):
you can plug into to amplify your power. So the
thing that has to come out of No Kings is
more so than Okay, we're going to work on this
thing first, but I will get there. But the first
thing is to get organized. If you came to know
Kings because you just sort of read about it or
(28:46):
heard about it, now's the time to get involved in
planning it right in going to the meetings and making
your voice heard. Let people know what how we can
make it better because it's not the caviling. It's up
to all of us.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You're right, I'm about that. I got thirty seconds, Alex.
I think November fourth will also be another tipping point.
I'm donning in New York City, what we do with
Prop fifty in California, all of that. So we got
a lot of people who can get involved. You can
get involved in these campaigns in Jersey, Virginia again, New
York City, California. So there's a choice is there's a
(29:22):
platpool around the country, can get involved. Alex Lost, an
ed of Social Security Works, Thank you, my friend, get
you on video next time. All the best, so much,
thank you. We'll be right back.
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Santos Show, thirty three minutes past the hour. It is
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you live from the South coast here in the Commonwealth
of Massachusetts. We are going from New York City to Washington,
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d C. And now to New Jersey, where we find
our great friend, the former deputy chief of staff to
Governor Phil Murphy. A little background from Massachusetts. He was
born in Massachusetts, and of course she is now the
fantastic director of government relations for the New Jersey Educators
(34:10):
Association also has a few other roles in the political
arena there too. It's so great to have her as
part of our team and hopefully now on a weekly basis.
Deborah Cornovaka joins us on the phone. Deb great to
have you back. How are you today? Happy Thursday?
Speaker 24 (34:33):
Thank you, Jeff. I'm honored and thrilled to be here,
and I do want to share with you a little
bit of my Massachusetts history. My father grew up in Midway, Massachusetts,
so the government there you go. We're probably the only
two Patriots fans in the state of New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Beat those giants. Well now I know Medway, I've been
many times. Well, fantastic and thank you, thank you, and
thank you mister Cornovaka for producing a fantastic daughter who
is a fantastic spokesman for spokesperson for the Democratic Party,
(35:11):
deb and for the New Jersey Educators. Actually more importantly
when you get down to it, because the teachers are
the backbone of our society and the backbone of the
Democratic Party. Okay, so much to talk about. Unfortunately you
can't see this, but as somebody who grew up in Massachusetts,
you know about Dunkin Donuts and now they call it
(35:33):
Duncan well here in Massachusetts and probably in New Jersey
as well, since they've gotten national, now international. Really, the
Duncan brand has been in my household for many, many years.
And I went to the grocery store back in early September,
it was seven dollars and ninety nine cents for a
pound of coffee. Thanks to the Trump tariffs, particularly on Brazil,
(35:57):
where most of the coffee comes from, it's now fourteen
dollars for a pound of coffee. Deb I would love
to see you know, Mss Mikey, Cheryl and Spanberger and
Mandani and our friends in California where they also combuy
Duncan coffee, and tell people about this. This is the
(36:18):
Trump economy that we're going to be living with for
years to come if we don't start winning elections, not
only in California with Prop fifty, but in New Jersey
where you are, and of course in Virginia in New
York City as well. This is an economic issue that
Democrats should drive home on a daily basis, the Trump
(36:39):
tariff economy, and Donald is driving us into a dumpster.
That's where I look at it. Your thoughts about how
that message should be put front and center.
Speaker 24 (36:51):
I absolutely agree. First of all, I'm a huge coffee drinker,
so I feel that price per pound, and we are
Duncan state altho wahwah does rule in New Jersey.
Speaker 18 (36:59):
I got a given here.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Here's what they'll say.
Speaker 24 (37:02):
First of all, tariffs cost us, right the people in
our country paying every day, trying to live paycheck to paycheck.
We're the ones who are going to bear the brunt
of the cost of these tariffs. We bear it at
the grocery store on the prices for any kind of
good in grocery stoes, hardware, construction, all of it. But
we also bear it sometimes in job locks because a
(37:24):
lot of these places, to try to save some money,
are going to cut staff because they know they have
to raise the prices on their goods. So it's not
a good economic tactic for us. It should be front
and center. And by the way, the cost of the
tariffs is happening already, but we're about to be on
a healthcare cliff right starting November first, when the ADA
(37:46):
goes out and people can get on the exchange, they're
going to find their premiums, quadruple double triple quadruples because
of the end of the subsidies. And that's what the
Democrats are fighting for the federal government. That is what
it's got to be fighting for. In the state of
New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Ors, well, well, it's no doubt. Again we're talking to
the former deputy chief of staff to Governor Phil Murphy,
the current governor and a very good governor that has
been mentioned many times, is a potential presidential candidate. One
of the things deb and you know, I think this
(38:23):
is a critical piece of the election here and you
are in the middle of it. We're just talking with
Alex Loss and the Social Security Works executive director there
in DC and the Progressive coalition that helped Joe Biden
in the first year is a sixty sixty one percent
(38:44):
approval rating of the Bernie Sanders wing, coupled with the
Biden wing, gave the American Rescue Plan. I think that's
going to be another key piece, you know, not only
in the next couple of weeks, because that's already sort
of baked, but going forward in twenty twenty six, there's
a lot of congressional races that are going to be
(39:04):
up for grabs, some in New Jersey and all around
the countries, I mean California where our friends are listening
to us now in CASEAA am ten fifty, we're on
four to six, and maybe some news coming that way
in the near future as well for us. And you know,
there are a lot of people in this country that
(39:28):
are depending on the Democratic Party and organizations like the
National Education Association, kind of the parent of the New
Jersey Educators Association, are going to be critical here. And
as I said, teachers are so important not only to
America and the future of America, but they're important to
the Democratic Party coalition. I'm wondering because you've seen this
(39:50):
all that kind of coalition that is, you know, Union Focus,
that is involved with you know, our friends in and
small business community, that is involved with folks who support
Bernie Sanders and again who supported Biden. That to me,
that to me is a fantastic coalition. And want to
(40:14):
get your thoughts on this because not only for the
next two weeks in Jersey, Virginia, California, and New York City,
but going forward in twenty twenty six. Talk to me
about that because to me, that I think has to
be driven home. We were talking to Jim Roosevelt, the
FDR grandson yesterday. If you put together that coalition which
works so well in the first year in twenty twenty one,
(40:35):
and they got away from that and we saw what
happened in twenty two in the midterms, I think this
is something that if Democrats can come together, is a
win win for a long time to come your thought step.
Speaker 24 (40:51):
First of all, I hope you're right, so second of all,
I agree that you are right to potential exist to
build that coalition tight. And perhaps I'm biased, but I
do think that unions at the center of it are
core and I'm you know, I'm listed up by the
fact that union support where you pull nationally is at
an all time high, and while union density is very low,
(41:15):
it is increasing, right, And we've seen big efforts to
unionize places like Amazon, Starbucks and other big corporate entities
that have been taking advantage of people. And really having
a unified labor front across different sectors is both critical
to the success of those sectors. In strong union sea states,
(41:36):
you see better educational outcome in strong union states. For construction,
you see better safety outcomes and better quality of construction.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
We know that that.
Speaker 24 (41:46):
Correlation and causation are there, and it's a matter of
all of these different lanes of labor coming together and
then bringing our circle bigger and being really inclusive and
making it clear to all of us that we have
more to gain by coming together and putting our differences aside.
Where we differ, then we will if we remain kind
(42:09):
of separate but kind of loosely together. Right, What we
really need is that tightness of that commitment, and then
we need to go out and organize. And that's something
that unions do better than any other organization.
Speaker 12 (42:22):
I know.
Speaker 24 (42:22):
We're not afraid of door knocking, of calling, of doing
phone banks, and of talking to our friends and neighbors
about the issues that are important. So I think that
the potential exists, but the work begins now. If we
want to win next year, take a few congressional feats back,
we've got to be working on it now, which we're
certainly doing here in New Jersey. Is part of the
gubernatorial and it won't stop but November.
Speaker 11 (42:42):
When the Dolubinatorial is over, We're going to be.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Moving right into the congressional no doubt about it. And
that is I think critical to the future of this country.
The democracy use at stake, and of course for Democrats
to win and to win big going forward, because there's
a lot of things to be done, including the Supreme
Court and the expansion of it and getting rid of
(43:04):
the Electoral College. There's a lot of stuff that, in
my opinion, needs to be taken care of. Open up
the phone lines at A three three five four five
five three three three, Jalen, let me know who we
have when we have a call or two, and try
to get that into deb going forward. I want to
ask you a little bit about you mentioned unions and
(43:26):
some of the folks who are part of the American
Federation of Government Employees as an example, we look to
have on in the coming days, and they are literally
people who have been fired by Trump and Doge that
are in food lines, food lines. This is a sad
(43:46):
day in America where people who will work for the country,
you know, who could be working, you know, in another
job making a lot more money now are stuck in
this kind of America. And this to me is why
the unions are so critical, you know, to help people.
(44:06):
And you know, I don't know this to be a
fact in particular, but probably those unions are the ones
that are putting on the food drives for their members
because you know, you're not going to get this from
the federal government. You're not going to get this from
private companies that can tell you that. So talk to
me about how this reckless fascist psychopath in the United
(44:32):
States president currently has ruined lives. You know, we talk
about farmers. We were talking earlier with her boy, the
great African American journalists about black farmers and how their
lives have been screwed, and Alex Laws and just on
before you talking about farmers in general across this country,
in Red America. You know, this is this is human lives.
(44:56):
These are people. There are your neighbors in New Jersey
and my neighbors here in Massachusetts. Give me your thoughts
about this, because this is how people got together the
seven million and said enough is enough. The other day
on the No King's rally. Your thought step that's.
Speaker 24 (45:14):
Right, Yeah, And what a tremendous show of solidarity that
that those rallies nationally were, you know, and I'm bullied
and I'm energized by them. Look, it is absolutely shameful
that we are at a point in our democracy and
I've got to put that kind of in quotation marks
at this point that the fight is over affordable healthcare
(45:37):
for people who desperately need it, right, which is what
this fight is about. The Democrats have held their votes
because they want the subsidies to continue so that people
can get affordable health care on exchange. That is something
that we should never have to like bargain the shutdown
of government over it should be fundamental to what our
democracy provides the people who live in this country. But
(45:58):
that's where we're at, and it is it is you know,
tragic to me, right, military families where they may have one,
you know, one part of the family deployed overseas getting
in a food line right now. We also know, from
the perspective of our educators, if WICK and SNAP aren't
funded at the beginning of November, which is the current threat,
(46:20):
our school children are going to come into work hungry
and they are not going to learn when they're not fed.
And so I know our members regularly will mobilize quickly
and they'll begin to do food drives amongst themselves and
distribute food through the schools and conjunction with food banks.
But those food banks may also be losing their funding,
so they may not have their resources. There is no
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world in which we as a country should find it
acceptable that this is no level at which we're functioning.
But unfortunately, because as you pointed out, we kind of
have a fascist regime approach to governing right now and
not a democracy, it seems that the majority of the
people are sacrificial. You're the president in office. He is
(47:01):
willing to see people suffer, go hungry, lose their health
care to try to make some kind of power play
that he wants. The rallies are what gives me hope.
The activism, the ordination, and the coalition building that I
see on these issues what gives me hope that we
will fighte back. We will take care of our federal
(47:22):
employees at the ploye of crisis right now, and we
will be energized to make sure that we're pushing to
do the right thing come the next cycle of elections
so that we can put a stop to this just
savage path of destruction.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Well said. We're talking to Deborah Cornovaka, given the new
Jersey Educators Association and Government Relations director, formerly the deputy
chief of staff to Governor Phil Murphy. The New Jersey
current governor. Of course, there's a race coming up on
November fourth that we hope our good friend miss Cheryl
(47:58):
Mikey Cheryl wins wins big. We don't need any any
close race. That's for sure enough of the anxiety moments
that we've had over the years. All right, let's go
to the phones. Talk to our good friend John in Minnesota.
You're a next with the deb Cornovoka here on the
Jeff Santa Show. Go right ahead, John, John. Did we
(48:29):
lose John? Okay? Well we lost him. Well, let me
ask you this deb is there in your mind a
way to sort of continue to make the coalition that
(48:53):
you see just a few miles north of you in
New York City with Mom Donnie, who's an electric candidate
and a great communicator. And you know, once that happens,
you know, in November fourth, you know, ahead of the polls.
Obviously things can happen in two weeks. We all have
seen that in our political media careers. But you know,
(49:16):
to me that will benefit you know, people in New
York because he's tackling some of the issues that have
been before New Yorkers. You know, if you remember, I
don't know what it was twenty thirteen or whatever, there
was an individual, an African American individual who talked about
and used the line the rent is too damn high.
(49:37):
And that's still the case in New York, in New Jersey,
in Boston and San Francisco, La Chicago, on and on
and run around the country. And and if you can't
house people, you have tremendous problems with homelessness and houselessness,
and you get you know, people in the streets and
what creates problems there. And you know, now with the
ice situation, and it is, you know, it's just an
avalanche effect. But to me, when you have a good communicator,
(50:02):
in this case, an excellent communicator, as we're seeing with California,
with Gavin Newsom fighting back and taking charge in California
against Trump, that is a huge, huge help to defer
us on the Democratic side. Some people may say, you know,
I don't agree with them on the grocery stores and
the government being involved or whatever the case is. But
(50:24):
when you have a dynamic communicator, and you know, we're
seeing we're seeing a number of these folks, you know,
come out now in very important times. Jessica Crockn in
Texas comes to mind and so forth. That to me
is incredibly critical to the pushback because you've got to
be able to communicate what Democrats stand for, and you
(50:45):
know that it's the FDR world and we're going to
push back on this fascist person who cares nothing about
anybody besides himself.
Speaker 24 (50:56):
Your thoughts on that, I'll say that long ago was
taught by someone have had the privilege of working with it.
The only politician you're likely to agree with one hundred
percent of the time is yourself. So if you want
one of those people run for office, right so, you know,
we all need to be realistic about who's running in
the field, who's willing to run these days, and you know,
(51:18):
wholeheartedly get behind the people who are going to really
stand up for the average uh, the average person, the
hard working people who get far to left behind far
too often by corporate America. You know, I think being
a great communicator is a huge advantage and it helps
galvanize people. But I want to, you know, offer the
sobering piece that you still have to be able to govern,
(51:41):
you have to be able to implement, and I think
I think that that's a place where we often you know,
we work really hard to get someone elected and then
we kind of send them on their way and they
were like, go fix everything.
Speaker 11 (51:52):
And I think.
Speaker 24 (51:55):
You want a democracy, right, yeah, exactly, get it done
firste hundred days. I want everything take care of. But
I think we have to be participants in helping to
solve the problems because especially when we're talking about, you know,
taking on corporate developers, corporate realtors, and like big corporate
entities that are really just siphoning money away from the
working class. It takes a lot of us organized together
(52:19):
to give the politicians to re elect the cover they
need to get these hard things done. And we can't
just walk away when the election is over. So I
love hearing a great order, uh. And they're motivating and
they're they're going to help unify and galvanize ours as Democrats.
But then we've got to stay a course with them,
(52:39):
and we've got to be ready to fight with them
to implement the changes that they want to bring about.
But cannot do it if we're not their shoulder to
shoulder with them in that flight.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
So Dat we are talking with Deborah Konnovaca again, the
former deputy chief of staff, to Governor Phil Murphy and
now the government relations director for the New Jersey Education
Association UH, part of the NEA and and a major
major factor of how we win going forward. As I said,
there will be congressional races in New Jersey.
Speaker 19 (53:13):
UH.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
And that's just one state. You know, several states that
could determine who is in control, which is critical you
know for the democracy, not only for the Democratic Party,
but for for every American to get not to get
out of this fascist regime that we're in right now.
Deb talk to me a little bit about, you know,
(53:34):
how teachers, educators in general are dealing with the cutbacks.
We talked to your good friend Melissa Thomason the other day,
and you know, the money pot has dried up as
she talks about, and you know, this affects how you know,
Johnny and Susie are you know, our basic taught You know,
(54:01):
you can't you know, keep skipping on this because eventually,
whether it's special head teachers or whatever the cases may be,
you know, it comes down and it affects people and
there and their ability, uh, you know, to succeed later
in life. Whether it's seventh grade is in the case
of Melissa or eighth grade. Talk to me about this
(54:22):
because I know that this angers you as it angers
me and many others who want to see You know,
children get the best education, the best public school education
you can get, but this guy doesn't care about them,
never did, never will. And this this is where you
know these cutbacks are are really really problematic. But yet
(54:43):
you know that doesn't get a lot of attention because
there's so many other issues that are in front of
us right now that are a crisis mode. But it's
becoming a crisis for educators. Talk to me about that
and what you're doing to push back.
Speaker 24 (54:59):
Well, it absolutely is, and thank you for recognizing that
we're educators. Our members are more than just the classroom teachers.
They provide every service in a school building, including our
bus drivers who get the kids safely to and from
school every day, and we're all feeling the same frustration. Look,
first of all, at the state level, money is always
tight and it's hard to cover the needs. And our
(55:19):
educators are always saying, if you want off to succeed,
if you want to see better results, here's the things
we need. We need more teacher aids in the room,
we need more prep time, so that we can collaborate
with our fellow educators about the kids who we know
are having a challenging time and figure out a coordinated
way to support them. You know, we need less standardized
(55:40):
testing and more time to teach, to do projects based learning.
They keep reiterating the things that they need, and they're
not always listened to, and instead, you know, legislators and
decision makers come in with ideas that might help, but
they're not listening to the educators. And then you layer
on top of that the perfect storm of COVID money
just about being gone. So a lot of districts that
(56:01):
they had an infusion of money for COVID and some
of them unfortunately used it to supplement operational costs, are
going to find a big shortfall. And then you have Trump, right,
who's decimated the Department of Education and who have threatened
funding both for education direct but then all these other services. Right,
Remember that Snap, if you're a Snap family, you're going
(56:22):
to get free and reduced lunch in school. That's funding
that could go away next month. Medicaid dollars go into schools.
It's one of I think it's one of the top
five funding streams we get from the federal government into
schools in New Jersey to provide both mandated and supplemental
services to students. When that goes away, we're going to
(56:43):
be at a deficit. And what all of this does,
combined with by the way ICE is you know, told
they can go into schools, is create this instability and insecurity,
which is one of the hardest things to work through
when you're an educator trying to create safe environments for
students to learn and to thrive. And so even if
(57:05):
those dollars don't actually all dry up, damage is.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Already being done.
Speaker 24 (57:10):
Can you layer on top of it what the federal
government is leaving in terms of staffing for dat collections,
for enforcement of civil rights, and you have a real
perfect storm for harming a generation of kids. And like
you said, we can't make up for that, right they
get they get one one try at K through twelve,
(57:30):
and we owe it better than what the federal government
is delivering right now.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
You know they talk about COVID, Well, Donald Trump was
president in the beginning of COVID, and you know the
situation that so many people and you know a lot
of parents died of kids, a lot of things that
were not reported upon. You know, then they talk about,
you know, the COVID issue and how that affected. Well,
the point is is that, you know, we have a
(57:57):
person who's reckless. I don't really know what happened. God
forbid if we have another pandemic. But the point is
is that we need to help people, and we need
to help people regardless of your And this is the
great thing about public school teachers. They're not looking at color,
they're not looking at sexual orientation, they're not looking at
all of these things that you know, the right wing
(58:18):
crowd of of of reckless racists, you know, just kind
of pounce upon, particularly with the trans issue and so forth.
And this is why it's so vital to support your
your teachers and get your educators, the bus drivers, from
people who come in and help out in the lunch room,
all of these folks. And this is a critical, critical
component that we have. Deb Thank you so much for
(58:42):
spending time with us today. I know you've got a
bunch of meetings ahead of you, so I appreciate you
taking time out of your busy day, and we'll we'll
talk next week, you know, as we approach the final
days of the campaign and what we'll bring and uh,
there's there's always a lot of news and teachers are
right in the middle of it. Thanks so much, Deb
(59:03):
for appreciate your time today.
Speaker 24 (59:06):
Always an honor. Thank you so much, Jeff, take care.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Thank you, Deb Cornovaka right here on the Jeff Santos Show.
We're going to try to make it a weekly visit
with her and her great comrades as the head of
government relations for New Jersey Educations and Association and again
her former role so she knows the political insight and
out here as a former deputy chief to the Governor
of New Jersey, Phil Murphy. We'll be right back with
(59:32):
an entire hour with former Massachusetts former Maryland governor, not Massachusetts,
former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley. Again, he was the last
good Social Security commissioner before the reckless regime came in,
and he was under Biden the last two years, so
we get into social Security as well. You're tuning into
(59:53):
the Jeff santo Show, our two on KCAA and of
course our three online. We'll be right back.
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former Social Security Commissioner, which is front and center on
(01:08:25):
a number of issues. Our good friend, Governor Martin O'Malley
joins us from Baltimore right now via video, and Governor,
it's great to see you and great to have you
on the program, thank you so much for taking time
out of your data help us absolutely.
Speaker 15 (01:08:44):
Jeff, thank you for being out there. Thank you for
highlighting the really important issue of social security. There are
three top things that people are most anxious about. The
greatest numbers of people in our country. One of them
is the cost of their healthcare, which is going up
because of the cuts of the Trump administration. The other
(01:09:05):
is Medicare, and then the third one is Social Security
because of all of the cuts to customer service and
the huge numbers of employees who have been forced out
of the agency, oftentimes paid with our money to leave.
So look, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Well, Governor. It's so great to have you on, so
great to see you on video. I you know, just
want to let you know that I have this dunkin
Donuts pound of coffee here. I'm going to just get
your quick questions and we'll get right into the real
major concerns of Social Security. This is the prop that
I use because about a month ago I went into
(01:09:44):
I went into the local SNS grocery store at one
of the bigger chains in New England, and it was
seven dollars and ninety nine cents. Three weeks later, or
actually one week later, and still the case, it's fourteen.
This is your Trump tariff America, and this is you know,
(01:10:06):
on steroids. If you can't afford to get a cup
of coffee because it pays fourteen dollars per pound, something
is wrong. Something is fishy in Denmark. And this is
the corruption that we have in the White House, and
that corruption goes to everyone who's working for President Trump.
(01:10:27):
It's hard to even say that word together, President Trump.
And you know it's affecting who runs Social Security now.
They took over from your great work for a couple
of years under Joe Biden, and now the Baltimore Sun
reports that there is more corruption from the individual who
is running Social Security now. And Democratic members of Congress
(01:10:52):
are looking into the corruption of the debit card system,
which we've talked about and you can get into more
details here, and this is what we're dealing with. The
current commissioner is as unfortunately, part of the same corrupt
gang that President Trump is brought in. And this is
(01:11:15):
sad because this is what affects people who need their
Social Security, who live on Social Security, and this is critical.
And we have more people now taking the money and
put it into their profit and of course Trump does
it all the time, puts it into his pocket. Your
thoughts about where we stand today on the twenty third
(01:11:40):
of October twenty twenty five in Social Security, Yeah, well,
let me.
Speaker 15 (01:11:46):
Start with a little bit of good news, and it
is this because of the heart, the compassion, the commitment
to others. That is all about the mission shared by
the hardworking people who remain in a hostile work and
environment at Social Security. But because of their love for
their neighbors, we have not yet seen a major interruption
(01:12:11):
of benefits. But these are some of the things that
are going on. Number One, the biggest exodus of employees
that the agency has ever suffered, and that's at a
time when they were already at a fifty year low
in staffing, so they're probably down around a sixty year
(01:12:31):
low or more in staffing. And of course it's an agency, Jeff,
as you know, that serves people that it's not a
drive through window. These are people that process claims, that
take the accurate data that it's been collected from all
of us working in the economy for years, and processes
those claims. So largest loss of staff because of the
(01:12:52):
cuts of the Trump administration and the way they sent
the doose demon with a virulence there. The second thing
that we have seen is the proposal. It was promised
by the current regime that they were no longer going
to send paper checks to the five hundred thousand some
(01:13:13):
people who have difficulty getting to a bank for a
number of reasons we can talk about. Many of them
are homeless as well. And they said that we're going
to cut off these checks. In the same month that,
as you noted in that Baltimore Sun article today, in
the same month that the commissioner's former company, FISURF, somehow
(01:13:36):
won the bid. Suddenly after the winning bidder for some
reason that we still have yet to understand, pulled out
and the second runner up pulled out. So at the
same time they're telling people go find a bank or
apply for a direct express debit card, they're telling people
that they're no longer going to receive paper checks. And
(01:13:59):
now there's another threat on the horizon, and that is
it would appear that they are the Trump administration wants
to move forward with changes to the criteria under which
people are granted an allowance for a disability. If they
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should be injured at work or their back goes out,
they can no longer do the work they're a customer
to do. People have to apply for that, Some are allowed,
some are disallowed according to the criteria and the evaluation.
So what they want to do now is push thirty
to forty percent of people over fifty who are granted
(01:14:40):
those allowance because there's an additional consideration depending on the
age of the claimant for post reason, and they're short
of Medicare. And this is going to be the biggest
rollback of disability benefits since nineteen fifty three when Dwight
Eisenhower the disability aspects of Social security into law. So
(01:15:04):
those are kind of the top three major things that
have happened, and we were Sometimes when the democracy is
alerted and people rise up and call their congress people,
they pulled back on some things. Let me give you
a few examples. Initially, Doge put a whole bunch of
field offices and almost every regional headquarters of building on
(01:15:28):
a list saying they're all for sale. They pulled back back.
They made the mistake of wanting to close field offices
into of the highest ranking Republicans districts.
Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
You can't make no figures.
Speaker 15 (01:15:44):
Yeah, the Chairman of Appropriations and the chairman of the
sub committee that oversees Social Security read Or were told
by their constituents that those was going to close the
field offices and their districts. So they pulled that back.
Another thing that perhaps maybe they will pull back is
(01:16:05):
this paper check thing. But the third one of that
they pulled back I hope so as well. I mean,
we looked at that and the merits of it and
determined that the adverse impact on those five hundred thousand
people would not be worth the squeeze, you know, in
terms of relatively minor savings in the overall administration of
(01:16:28):
a program that actually operates on less than one percent
compared to benefits. But the third one, and this happened
back in March or April. You know, they were paying
people to leave the agency. If you were retirement eligible,
they would pay you for the entire year not to
come to work. Keep in mind, these are the same
(01:16:49):
people that scoffed at telework and thought it meant that
people weren't coming to work or weren't doing work, which
is totally false. But then they paid people for the
entire calendar year and still are to just quit. They
told others that were not retirement eligible, we will give
you cash to leave, and if you don't take this
fork in the road and the cash, you may well
(01:17:12):
face restructuring. And that was after they just illegally fired
whole divisions of Social Security, the Office of Customer Service Transformation,
the Office of Civil Rights and Equal Opportunity. So they
pulled that one back. They were headed for fifty reduction
(01:17:33):
in it staff, and then even though they had people
signing up for it, they told them at the last minute,
we're no longer offering you this cash payout. Well, we
decided to call you essential. So sometimes when the democracy
rides is up, call your congress people and they call
actually as people, Congress people and both parties, they do
(01:17:54):
pull back their hand from the burner.
Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Talking with Governor artne O'Malley, of course, the former Social
Security Commissioner under President Biden, God we wish we had
him now because of all of these corrupt elements, and
it becomes extremely difficult to think positive with this regime,
this reckless fascist regime in power right now. And again
(01:18:20):
the people that are appointed are either you know, ill equipped,
you know, dangerous, reckless officials surrounding an individual who is
not very smart and frankly doesn't care about what happens
to citizens unless they're big funders to his campaign or
part of the one percent. And that's the sad part
(01:18:41):
about it. As we talk with Governor O'Malley here on
the Jeff Santo show phone number to join us eight
three three five four or five five three three three.
Let me ask you this, Governor. The other day, we
had this fantastic, very peaceful and non violent event, the
(01:19:04):
No Kings. I went to a couple not in the
big cities of Boston or New York, but smaller mid cities,
smaller towns, and people would come out. I mean, you
had a diverse group, you know, Latino, African American, Asian American,
you know, firefighters, police officers, retired folks and you know,
(01:19:25):
babies in the crowd and so forth, and everybody get along.
It was an America that is the shining city on
the hill, right, But we have this dark cloud over us.
And to me, when people come out and they see
that the clouds are coming over them and the storm
is about to hit, they get engaged. And to me,
(01:19:49):
because of that, I have some hope that we, as
the African American Proverbs says said many times, we shall overcome.
And I feel confident that the more and more people
get engaged. And those protests the other day, again nonviolent,
were I think critical that you know, seven million people
(01:20:12):
plus get engaged that we can hold back some of
these outrageous cuts, some of these acts by Trump and
his folks. Talk to me about that, because you know,
that gives people, you know, who see their their coffee
prices go up. Who see that now the average car
(01:20:33):
in America will cost the average new car in America
will cost fifty thousand dollars. Seeing and reporting on that
the other day, you know, I mean, it is not
morning in America. I can tell you that you know
quite well as well. And you know, but we got
to change. And Democrats and progressives and people who are
(01:20:55):
not you know, have a label of politics. They just
want to see their country better. But I'm hopeful your
thoughts Governor on people coming together to protect grandma and
grandpa and their mom and dads on social Security and
other things that have been really taken for granted, you know,
since Roosevelt did this.
Speaker 15 (01:21:17):
You know, in the nineteen thirties, Jeff, like you, I
was out there at the now King trallies and I
barnstormed a few of them. I was invited to do
a town hall that same weekend on social security and
Ampa Florida, and I went to several of them around Tampa.
And for whether it was five million, six million, or
(01:21:40):
seven million, there were probably just as many people on
the highways and byways who saw that. And it was
really heartening to see so many people honking their horns
and giving thumbs up in addition to the people that
were out there for the rally. You know, authoritarian leaders
win in part by exhausting the public and making them
(01:22:02):
feel like their voices and their opinions don't matter, and
people retreat.
Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Yes, I think a lot.
Speaker 15 (01:22:09):
I think a lot of younger people are doing that
right now. I hope, hopefully they will, they will come around.
But back to your original point. You know, when I
was running for governor and running for re election as
governor after a recession, we used to carry a kitchen
table with us on the back of the little green Winnebaga,
(01:22:31):
and we carry it out as if it were the
seal of Maryland itself and set it in the middle
of the stage or the room or in front of
the you know, hall of people at a union hall
or where have you. And and that kitchen table is
really the most important table in democracy because America is
(01:22:53):
an economic promise.
Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
You know, people from over the world I'm.
Speaker 15 (01:22:57):
Here because we are the land of opportunity. There aren't
many other countries that have that brand, and right now
that brand is in tatters. So we need to stay
focused on the tangible, real things that people care about
the most. That's how we get people back. Your governor
(01:23:19):
or you, I mean, I know that a lot of
the listeners are in California is one of the most
I think effective governors in America today. I've worked with him,
you know, when I was at the consulting firms, and
he attracts a really good group of people. They actually
execute and they follow up. And I think he said
it best. You were talking about the dark clouds. You know,
(01:23:42):
the moment is here. All of these things are happening.
The disgusting metaphor of the People's House, the White House
being demolished, and Donald Trump saying he likes the sound
of it because it means money, and that demolition paid
for by some of the wealthiest people and wealthiest corporations
(01:24:05):
in America. We could go through a whole litany of things,
and you know, I'm a Democrat, and as a Democrat
and a progressive, we tend to lapse right into the
litany of all of the groups of people that are
being hurt by this guy. But there is also in
order to get the public, you know, to take back
(01:24:29):
their country, our country, not us exclusively. It's our country.
We have to stick to those kitchen table issues, your
coffee example, social security.
Speaker 14 (01:24:42):
Right.
Speaker 15 (01:24:45):
I don't know why many Democrats have such a difficult
time saying the two flipping words of social security. These
x midterms will turn on social security because things of
the agents will not be getting better. They will beget
progressively worse as more and as these guys look to,
(01:25:07):
you know, carve off pieces. This is not a group
of people between the between the ideologues, the lawless idiologues
no regard for laws, regulations, the constitution, and the business
guys who think they never saw a piece of government
that wasn't that didn't have the potential of being privatized
(01:25:29):
so they and their buddies can make some money on it.
And that's the that's the troubling undercurrent of this direct
express contract at social security. I'm quite sure. I mean,
I think that this is pretty late breaking, but I'm
quite sure people like Ron Wyden from Oregon, who's the
(01:25:51):
ranking member of the Finance and also Congressman Larson. No
better defenders are fierce defenders of Social Security than those
do I'm in the Senate and the House and their colleagues.
I think we're going to have a lot of questions,
why how did you get for your company the Direct
Express contract, skipping over the top two didders at the
(01:26:15):
same time that you're telling half a million people they've
got to sign up for the Direct Express debit card,
which your company now makes money administering. So it's it's said.
A lot of these things, Jeff, are both outrageous and
not surprising at the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Unfortunately, not with this guy. We're talking with Governor Martin
O'Malley again, the last excellent, fantastic Social Security Commissioner under
Joe Biden. And of course now we as the governor
has just said, you know, we have somebody, you know,
(01:26:54):
once again profiting from Social Security from you and me,
from your mom and dad, from my mom and dad,
grandmother and grandfather, taking away money, putting it into the pocket.
And this is where we are, folks. In twenty twenty five.
We're going to continue with Governor O'Malley to the top
of the hour. We'll we'll take your calls at a
(01:27:15):
three three five four five five three three three. We
break in a couple of minutes here, but before we
do break, Governor, the thing that that I think is
important and one of our callers, Mark from San Francisco,
who's a friend of the show and friend of mine,
is a little under the weather today. He wanted to
talk to you because he was the one. He's been
(01:27:37):
bringing this up for a long time about those who
are on disability and he talked about young people getting this.
You know, if you're twenty five years of age and
you lose your you lose you know, time from work
because you got injured, it's social security, that umbrella of
it that pays you. And with with these guys, these
(01:27:58):
these fascists, reckless Republicans in the House and Senate and
led by Trump, you know, this is what is at
stake now. So if you want to, you know, connect
with young people, you know, this is an issue that
needs to be brought up. And I hope more and
more Democrats bring up the issue that you just did
about what's going to happen to people who had an injury.
(01:28:20):
And again, if you're over fifty, then that's another another
level of more money that goes there. But talk to
me about that in the final minute or so we
have left on this segment again, we'll be with Governor
o'malleybu with us till six o'clock eastern, three o'clock Pacific time.
Go ahead, Governor.
Speaker 15 (01:28:40):
Yeah, Jeff, I have adult kids, and from their first jobs,
they've been paying into Social Security, and they're going to
be squeezed in two ways if these guys succeed in
some setting the program. In fact that the head of
the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the guy
(01:29:03):
I responsible for putting out, you know what the number
will be on the cost of living increase, I think
that'll happen tomorrow. He's actually said that he believes Social
Security should be sunseted. So if this program were to
be dismantled to the point that it goes away or
become sunseted, younger people are going to get the double
(01:29:25):
squeeze of it not being there for them after they'd
paid into it, and having to take care of the
generation ahead of them in their homes. That's the reality
for younger people right now, and that's the threat to
their No doubt in their libraries.
Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
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We're talking with our good friend and he is a
friend of the program. I get to meet him in
twenty sixteen in the heat of the race for president
with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. This man is a
real patriot and somebody who understands what is needed in
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this country to protect the Roosevelt legacy. We talked to
our good friend Jim Roosevelt yesterday. Of course they have
worked hand in hand on a number of issues together.
And of course we're talking about Governor Martin O'Malley, the
former Social Security Commissioner under Joe Biden. As we bring
him back now alive to us via video from his
(01:35:14):
home in Baltimore. Let me ask you this, Governor. We're
going to go to a caller John in Minnesota in
a minute.
Speaker 27 (01:35:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
I think that again, the American people, as usual, are
ahead of the folks in Washington.
Speaker 19 (01:35:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
You know you live in the Beltway and understand it. Uh,
just on the edge of it.
Speaker 15 (01:35:37):
Outside. We have our in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
There. But I hear you.
Speaker 15 (01:35:47):
The last time that the nation's capital's buildings were demolished
was by the British, and Baltimore stepped up. Then we
are a separate city, Jeff, we are not part of
of Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Inside, you're right on the edge. I agree for those geographically,
for people who it's an hour away, so people, there
is a difference, believe me.
Speaker 21 (01:36:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (01:36:07):
But culturally. Culturally, culturally it's many many.
Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Moons, oh, massive, massive. It is like the Grand Canyon.
Believe me. I lived in d C. I think a
total of eight years, so and I used to go
to Camden Yard.
Speaker 15 (01:36:24):
I was from the DC area. I moved to Baltimore
for law school. Matt, a beautiful, sharp, intelligent woman, race
here and stayed. But I've always been kind of struck
by the way that people in d C talk about
going to Baltimore, almost like they're they're taking a.
Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Trip road trip to the to the farm lands.
Speaker 15 (01:36:45):
Yeah, and yet people in Baltimore know that, yeah, it's
right down there. I can get there on the train
in a half hour. But they are, you know, fiercely
a separate city with its own identity.
Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
As I used to go, used to go to Memorial
Stadium before it Camden Yards was built, and it was
it was it was a different world, but a wonderful world.
And uh, you know, and and of course the Golds
play there for many years, the iconic Baltimore Coach until
the middle of the night, and Mayflower you know, trucks
(01:37:20):
took them away and moved them to Indianapolis, which has
never been the right since then. We're talking with the
former mayor of Baltimore, who was obviously understands the differences
of Washington.
Speaker 9 (01:37:34):
D C.
Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
And Baltimore. Uh, and from the rest of the you know,
outside of the Washington people and the folks that live
in the Maryland section that borders the nation's capital. So, uh,
there you go. We're gonna we're gonna bring in our
good friend, uh John from Minnesota here, uh in in
(01:37:56):
just uh in just a second, all right, and then
we'll go to Tom in Los Angeles. John, you are
next with Governor O'Malley here on the Jeff Santo Show.
Speaker 29 (01:38:05):
Go right ahead, Yeah, from flyover country.
Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
You know.
Speaker 29 (01:38:16):
You have an identity problem ourselves.
Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Nelly, I won't go into that, but no, no, no,
I think you grew up in New York.
Speaker 29 (01:38:25):
I do think that as far as social security, we
we we do need to take off the cap off
of social security. I don't want it Sunset and whoever
you know suggests that it is just you know, absolutely
an idiot. What what kind what civilized country in the
(01:38:45):
world doesn't have some kind of uh social security system
and uh social safety net? Not any that I would
want to live in, you know. I mean it was
tried and Chile and look at what happened there. I
don't want that to be the model for this country
(01:39:06):
of how you know, what government is about? Government should
serve the needs of the population. And being a recipient
of social security after working many years, I'm very happy
that there is such a thing, and it was part
of the planning for my retirement. And you know, I mean,
(01:39:31):
I'm not a multi millionaire, so I mean, if I
was a multimillionaire, I guess I wouldn't care. But how
many people in the country are multimillionaires. It's a very
infantestimaal You know, yonaires and millionaires, they don't.
Speaker 11 (01:39:48):
Yeah, anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
No, no, no, stay right there, John, Governor, go ahead.
Speaker 15 (01:39:54):
Yeah, John, thank you for your question. Let's talk a
little bit about the cap and one of the big
lives Jeff, that's constantly told about social security by those
that we want to set some set it. And by
the way, the plane language rebuttal to these big lives,
not only this one that social securities of Ponzi scheme
are going bankrupt, but other big lies which we could
(01:40:18):
unpack maybe later in this half hour, but all of
these are on mind with for my political action committee.
It's called Win Back Our Country. Or if you were
to google John O'Malley social security, mister Google would probably
take you to this site and so let me let
me underscore for your listeners this notion of the cap.
(01:40:41):
Most of us don't realize there's a cap to which
social securities, you know, payroll tax faika applies because most
of us don't make over one hundred and seventy thousand dollars,
and I'm around you here. It goes up with inflation
every year. So as a result, that means that somebody
(01:41:05):
who makes a family that makes one hundred and seventy
thousand dollars will pay eleven thousand into Social Security, but
a single person that makes one hundred and seventy million
dollars will also just pay that, you know, eleven thousand
into Social Security. In most Americans of both parties, eighty
(01:41:29):
percent say that's not fair once they learn about and
they should get rid of that cap. There have been
bills put into Congress, some of them say that once
you earn more than two hundred and fifty thousand, you
should start paying in some of President Biden indicated once
you make more than four hundred thousand, you should start
paying into Social Security again. And here's why it's so
(01:41:53):
important and why John asks about the cap, because since
the last adjustment to social Security, and this program has
never missed a payment in ninety years, which should make
it obviously to everybody it can't be a Ponzi scheme
because they don't last for ninety years. As you it
is a pay as you go program. But as the
(01:42:16):
dynamics of our population are change, so too does Social
Security have to be adjusted by Congress. And back in
nineteen eighty three, they were on the brink of seeing
a shortfall and Social Security's ability to pay one hundred
percent of the benefits that people learned, and they didn't
(01:42:38):
want the democracy, the people on Social Security to suddenly
experience a ten percent cut in their benefits or whatever
it was at that time. So when they adjusted it,
one of the things that they did was to see
over the time horizon that all of us baby boomers.
For those of you not watching and only listening, I
(01:42:58):
am sixty three, which makes me the tail end of
that baby boomer generation. So they knew that they were
going there was going to be this large demographic bubble coming,
so they made sure that they built up a surplus
and when I was there, it was two point seven
trillion dollars. So that is the baby boomers moved through
(01:43:19):
their retirement years. The Social Security is able to pay
one hundred percent of benefits. And when people read the
scary headlines that say by twenty thirty three social Security
is going bankrupt, they're not talking about the eighty one
percent of the program in twenty three, or rather twenty
(01:43:41):
thirty three that would be people working in the economy
paying in and those same dollars going out. No, Instead,
they're talking about that surplus, which was always planned to
be drawn down upon to cover the baby boomers before
they go to their eternal reward. Is trip that that
surplus did not last till twenty fifty as they thought
(01:44:05):
it would in nineteen eighty three. But the reason for
that is this huge windfall that the wealthiest of Americans
enjoy in not paying into Social Security once they earn
one hundred and seventy thousand dollars. And so that's why
so many people say, look, we got to adjust that
cap and people that are wealthy come inequality. That ram
(01:44:29):
of Reagan push pushed a lot of the increased you know,
income in America into just that top six percent of Americans.
And by the way, it's only six percent of Americans
that make more than one hundred and seventy thousand.
Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
It's unbelievable. What has occurred when Republicans get in power,
you know, and Reagan Number one is this Yeah, I
mean this is where because they cut back on the
average American.
Speaker 15 (01:45:01):
But this is a fixable problem.
Speaker 11 (01:45:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (01:45:04):
They're always wanting to protect, you know, the wealthiest people
in America, whether it's trickle down economics under Ronald Reagan
or this uh, even worse concentration of wealth. Now, that's
what they're about. But the truth is the challenge is
facing Social Security in twenty thirty three to be able
(01:45:24):
to pay one hundred percent of benefits, and the customer
service crisis right now, which is shaking and quit.
Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
I want to talk to you about that, both of
the solvable problems. No, no, John, I get about thirty seconds.
If you have another question for uh, for Governor O'Malley
before we take another call, do you have a secondary
question for the governor John in Minnesota?
Speaker 29 (01:45:51):
Not really just a statement today. I guess they believe
in trickle up economics, trickling up to the highest inc
That's all. That's all I want to say.
Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
I think very well, said my friend, Governor. Do you
have a comment on that before we take our next call.
Speaker 15 (01:46:09):
No, go, let's get for the next call.
Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Let's go to Let's go to Tom in Los Angeles.
You are next with Governor O'Malley, the last Social Security
commissioner that actually had the ability to help the American people,
not this guy who puts money in his pocket with
a debit card. Go right ahead, Tom, You're next with
(01:46:32):
the governor.
Speaker 30 (01:46:34):
Hey, Governor Malley, first off, thank you for everything that
you do and the public servant that you are. We
the people definitely appreciate that. And we the people shouldn't
need government period. And when people say government is bad,
they're really saying we the people are bad. What I
want to say is, Governor Malie, why is it that
(01:46:57):
we don't talk and hat and talk about the history
of Franklin Donano Roosevelt with social Security, with the unemployment.
It's like the Democrats have a playbook. If they would
follow the playbook of FDR the things that he couldn't
(01:47:19):
get done after he died. But the thing is that
we would follow the playbook. I mean, Donald Trump is
following the playbook of Hitler. So why are we not
saying that we are proud FDR Democrats. And if people
don't know who FDR was, then shame on us as
a Democratic party, and shame on us for not being
(01:47:41):
able to teach history about one of the greatest presidents
that ever was in the White House. And I just
would love to have it where people could start understanding
who FDR was, and people on the Democratic side, including yourself,
could actually make a commercial and say I'm a proud
FBR Democrat. You know, they did that with Ronald Reagan enough,
(01:48:04):
and he was the one that screwed this whole country over.
Why do we not do that on the progressive.
Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Lap I got to amen for you on that one, Tom,
go ahead, Governor.
Speaker 15 (01:48:18):
Yeah, Tom. I'm not really sure that in this shutdown
it would appear that the leadership in the House and
the Senate want the Democratic members to explain to their
actions by staying totally focused on healthcare, which is important.
It's one of the top three most important people if
(01:48:39):
they're polling is to be believed, one of the three
top polling issues to the greatest numbers of people if
the polling is to be believed, and then it is
that Donald Trump and the Republican cuts to the Affordable
Care Act and the subsidies have provided for working people
to be able to afford their own healthcare, and that
(01:48:59):
is called healthcare premiums to go way way up. I
was in Arkansas doing a town hall with former Governor
BB and they saw fifty notices that we're telling people
their health insurance was going to go up by fifty percent.
If I were if I were a political advisor, I.
Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Would be careful Governor.
Speaker 15 (01:49:25):
I would encourage Democrats not only to say that they
want to see a restoration of the cuts to healthcare,
but they should say, I believe we want to see
a restoring of the cuts to social security and the
(01:49:45):
cuts to healthcare. If they could only say, find a
budget for two additional words in their messaging social security,
I do believe it would make it even clearer than
it is too many today. So I'm a big at
DR person. One of the prize's possessions is a picture
(01:50:09):
of I'm looking around for it here of I think
I put back up on a wall upstairs. I had
it in the Commissioner's office of my maternal grandfather standing
right behind FDR on that stage. One of the things
he didn't get to to your point that I pushed
when I was for a brief while on the national
(01:50:30):
stage and running for president in twenty sixteen, is that
we need a bill of rights for drinkers in the
twenty first century. And that would be something I think
that would galvanize not only the Democratic base, but would
make a lot of sense to a lot of people
who may even register as independents and Republicans. The ability
(01:50:55):
for it, you know, to hold a full time job,
the ability to balance work and home life, the right
to social security, the right to affordable healthcare. These are
all things that would be in line with FDR and
the huge popular support that still exists today for social security.
(01:51:18):
But we need to do more in our own time
to make this a country where everybody feels like they
have a stake their nation, their government has their back,
and they're going to do better by their kids than
even their parents did buy them. Right now, too many
people feel, you know, in the words of Bruce Springsteen,
you know, is the dream of life it don't come true?
(01:51:39):
Or is it something worse? For a lot of people,
the American dream seems like a hollow thing right now,
and maybe even a lot we have to do.
Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Better, no doubt, Tom, Thank you for the call and
your spot on. You know, yesterday a governor we had
on Jim Roosevelt, grandson of FDR, and you know, the
the understanding of the roadmap. And one of these days,
you know, we'll have a couple of hours to sort
of talk with some folks led by a good friend,
(01:52:08):
Alan Minsky, who's a regular on Mondays. He's the Progressive
Democrats of America executive director. He and a historian, Harvey
k have put together this twenty first century version of
FDR's Bill of Rights. And you know, this is something, Yeah,
this is something that I think is a great roadmap
(01:52:31):
for Democrats running in twenty twenty eight and for that matter,
for Congress in twenty twenty six. And you know, we
as we look to expand here to bring people understand this,
and you're one of them, and Alan, and obviously Jim
Roosevelt as well, and you know this is this is
critical because we don't have to reinvent the wheel. It's there,
(01:52:52):
you know. I mean, he won every time because these
were ideas that the American people understand good. And you know,
and that's why one of the reasons why I'm a
big fan of both Gavin Newsom and hopefully the next
mayor of New York City and Montone because they can
communicate what the needs are of the working class and
(01:53:12):
they can communicate how we move the country forward in
an FDR version. I mean, there's a lot of different
ways that it's been changed since nineteen thirty three when
he became president. But the point is is that that's
where we're got to go, and that's the Democrats. The
Democrats cannot be Republican light and be a majority party.
(01:53:33):
You're never going to do that because the authentic one,
and Harry Truman said it, you only need one Republican party,
not too So let's be authentic. And the question is
I think that if we talk about as you are
have been doing, and again we're going to put it
up on our website, Win Back our Country dot com.
(01:53:53):
And it is so critical that people understand what social
security is and how in the Michael Moore did a
great movie called Where to Invade Next, and one of
the things that he talked about is what FDR was
starting to do in the nineteen forties and then a
lot of other countries after World War Two, emulated. You know,
(01:54:16):
it started here. The incubator was here in the United States.
We need to get back to that. And that's the frustration.
You know, as a progressive advocate talk show host, you know,
we need to have that spirit. I think the progressive
populist in me is like to describe myself. We need
that push and I think we got all the issues
(01:54:38):
there there. We just need to articulate.
Speaker 11 (01:54:42):
Right.
Speaker 15 (01:54:42):
I could not agree with you more. The FDR, you know,
such a phenomenal president and he spent a lot of
time unpacking and communicating with Americans. You know why he
was advised pushing for and passing the laws that he did.
(01:55:04):
And he never lost sight of the kitchen table. Sometimes
in our litany of grievances, we do lose sight at
the kitchen table. You know, the fireside the fireside chats
that he did were you know, radio were legendary. So
I do you know, I continue to be hopeful. You know,
last night they gave a NASSI the National Academy of
(01:55:28):
Social Insurance gave an award called the Ball Award, and
it usually goes to somebody that's worked their whole life
or career at Social Security. I was humbled to be
one of two people that received that ball award last night,
and the other one, thank you, thank you. I don't
(01:55:48):
think I deserved it as much as the people that
are continuing to do that job there, and I accept
it in their honor. But the other person that received
the award was Mike Astrow George Bushes, Senate confirmed Republican
nominee for Commissioner. So there was a time when this
eagle flew best, when both wings were flapping. Right now,
(01:56:10):
the Republican Party has become something far different than that
party of that party of Eisenhower, who actually expanded social security.
Hopefully we'll get it back in the meantime. In the meantime,
the Democratic Party is the platform for restoring this Republic.
(01:56:32):
We are seeing a wrecking ball and a demolition of
its principles, its laws. But she's our country to fix.
She's our country defects. And I'm a huge fan of
Gavin Newsom, and I'm glad he's taking the actions that
he's taking now. And let's hope the people of California
(01:56:54):
rally around this moment and stand.
Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
Ups critically important and for the other forty nine states,
as you know, uh governor, and I wish you were
the chairman of the Democratic Party, and you know mistakes
were made, but we gotta we gotta move forward with
the current folks and help them, you know, get the
message out that you just articulated so well. We just
(01:57:18):
I think the.
Speaker 15 (01:57:18):
Party is a lot larger than the d n C too.
Everybody likes to that is true, complain about the d
n C. I mean, the party is those seven million
people that turned out at the No Kings rally. The
party is those people who work hard every day and
and and can't afford to take time off for political activism,
but deeply loved their country and are deeply disturbed by
(01:57:43):
the by the wrecking ball that's being taken to their
you know, uh, their republic, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
I know the good Bruce Springsteen saw by the way
the wrecking Ball. I've been to many of his shows
as well. It's so great to use that as pump music.
There you go, We may very well take your hint
on that, believe me. And I also want to say
one thing too, And I don't think we have enough
(01:58:12):
time for your response. Maybe we do, Jaalen, you can
tell me the time in my year I think getting
young people and whether we have people like you or others,
go on campuses in college but also into high schools
just to sort of, you know, give the history professor
if there is such a thing, or social studies professor
(01:58:33):
or teacher to understand how social security came about and
what it means for you as you get a little older.
I get thirty seconds here a governor to me, that
would be a great way of connecting the dots to
younger people. Thirty seconds.
Speaker 15 (01:58:49):
Yeah, I think we've failed to teach younger people about
our country and its institutions, it's principles and its laws
coming up. I think we were all so focused for
a time on increasing math and reading scores that we
allowed you know, social studies and government to fall off.
(01:59:10):
But the only you know, the only thing that's going
to save us as an educated populous that's right, stupid.
Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
Thanks, Thank you, Governor Malley. Great to be with you.
Well look forward to doing this again on a weekly basis.
It's Governor Malley on Thursdays. Folks. I want to thank
Jaalen producing this broadcast. Thank all our great guests and
our great callers. Keep on fighting peacefully until tomorrow. My
(01:59:38):
name is Jeff Santos, and right now it's my time
to say I got to go.
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