KCAA: Jeff Santos (Thu, 6 Nov, 2025)

KCAA: Jeff Santos on Thu, 6 Nov, 2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Less than twenty four hours from now, the FAA will
impose a ten percent reduction in air traffic a dozens
of airports nationwide due to the ongoing shutdown. These New
Yorkers are preparing for the worst.

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It's detrimental to the economy because a lot of people
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It's already starting.

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I got friends that work in the industry as baggage
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it down completely.

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Hopefully the government will be back up by the next
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Now here's Jeff.

Speaker 17 (06:55):
Thank you. I've had a good app for the Americans,
and welcome to the Jeff Stanto Show. It is great
to be with you. Two days after the big victory.
And you know, I'm wearing a T shirt today mainly
because it was the last one out of the laundry,
but happens to be the Harris Walls one. We should
be celebrating. We should have been celebrating back in November.

(07:18):
We're going to play the celebration song today, but hopefully
this gives us the momentum to move on to twenty
twenty six. We're gonna be talking about it with a
great group of folks today. Going to start off unusually,
we wanted to give our good friend Mount Poindexter a
couple of minutes to explain how he felt on Tuesday

(07:40):
night and how we need to move forward. Of course,
Mount Poindexter is the Jeff Santo Show outreach director. He
is also the Massachusetts DNC member and on top of that,
he is the former NAACP Brockton, Massachusetts Vice President. He'll
be with us about three point fifteen to at three

(08:00):
twenty eight. Then we go to the great State of
New York and Harlem and talk to Herb Boyd Amsterdam News,
great columnist. He'll be with us at about three point
thirty four, and again a special hello to Taylor and company.
At AM fifteen hundred. You can get it in northern

(08:21):
New Jersey, you can get it in the West side
of Manhattan up to the Bronx. We're talking about AM
fifteen hundred WGHT. We're very excited. I know Herb and
the rest of the folks there at the Amsterdam News
are tuning in on that fantastic station. Now we will

(08:41):
be talking with on video, I should say, on audio
with Lee Blackman. Again, we had spoken to her last week.
We wanted to have her on again to discuss the
issues that are affected federal government workers. Another day, another
sad situation, so we want to get the latest from her.

(09:02):
Of course, now we're going to hear about flight attendants
and planes being canceled. I should say, we're going to
try to get the Flight Attendants Union Sarah Nelson on
next week to get that perspective. Just chaos under this administration.
Just with a capital C in unbelievable. But that's where
we are in this twenty twenty five but hopefully things

(09:23):
getting better, particularly after Tuesday night. Then at four point thirty,
because we're going to be off tomorrow, we wanted to
give you our good friend MTC. Mark Taylor Canfield. He
will be with us at four thirty Eastern time. In
a special combo. We're going to have Martin O'Malley, the

(09:43):
former Commissioner of Social Security under Biden administration, as well
as the former Governor of Maryland, presidential candidate in twenty
sixteen and former mayor of the Great City of Baltimore.
An impressive resume, to say the least. He'll be with
us from five to five thirty on video, and then
we'll remain with us as we talk to Jim Roosevelt,

(10:05):
the grandson of FDR the DNC Chair of the Rules
and Bylaws Committee, and of course in the attorney at
Feral Law here in the Boston area, So a full
full guest. We'll have both video from Jim and Governor
O'Malley together, and obviously what happened on Tuesday night, it'd
be great to get their perspectives as former presidential candidates.

(10:27):
Of course, grandson of the greatest Democratic president ever. It
all goes hand in hand again, folks, Tomorrow we will
be off will be basically giving you a best of
of some of the great interviews that we were lucky
enough to have, and that will be tomorrow Friday, back
live on Monday with our usual cast of characters, Myerson, Minski,

(10:53):
of course, Mel Poindexter and many others as well. A
phone number to join is eight three three five four five.
I have five three three three will take calls throughout
this show today. So there's really no time to do
that at this moment because of the short window we
have with Mel, but I wanted to just take a
quick gander at where things stand, uh in this country

(11:18):
right now because of the chaos of Trump and frankly,
you know, if if you were if somebody came down
from Mars or from wherever, and they looked around and
they said, this is your leader, this is the this
is the guy you want to introduce us to, you know,

(11:41):
and the McDonald's rappers come out, and you know, now
talking about weight loss, drugs, discounts, good, good, you know,
but I mean, really there's a lot more issues than that.
People are saying, Really, you got the the the biggest
economy in the world, you know, the nation that everybody

(12:03):
used to prior to him taking the office. You don't
want to be where people from all over the world
came to immigrate to. And this is now what we have.
So that is that is why it is so important,
so important to continue the momentum from the other evening

(12:26):
on Tuesday, winning in New York City, winning in the
great State of New Jersey with with Miss Cheryl smaan
Berger in Virginia. Of course, what Gavin Newsom did in
a shout out to our good friends k c AA
that those tapes will be going to you in the

(12:48):
next couple of hours. By the way, mister mister Mark
there in the great city of sam Bernardino. So we're
at a point now after what Newsom did, which basically
is pushback, fight back against mister Trump peacefully, as we

(13:10):
always say on this show. So it is important for
the Democratic Party to continue that, to continue the fight.
And if they do, I think you'll have tremendous success
because it is not only just you know, one party

(13:31):
winning and another party going out. No, we're saving the
democracy and that is, my friends, the need right now.
So you know, I love what AOC said in an
email that everybody has an assignment as if we're all
students of hers, she'd be a good, good teacher by

(13:55):
the way her real life experiences from bartender to member
of Congress. I think that's a pretty good perspective. I
also think that if we all find ourselves in a
situation where we want to be part of something, the
progressive wing of the Democratic Party, which is becoming every

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day the more dominant wing, and it's becoming a dominant
wing in the FDR fashion, affordability is the keyword. Everyone's
using it, whether the more moderates, Span Burger and of
course as Cheryl as well as our friends I'm Donnie Newsome,
et cetera. So this is this is how we win,

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This is how we move the needle, and it is
going to be a critical time for the Democratic Party
to understand, uh, what is at stake. All right, So
with that, let's uh, let's begin this celebration and bring
in our good friend, uh with the music intro from

(15:05):
Cooling the Gang. You can start that right now, mister
Kevin h.

Speaker 18 (15:49):
Oh.

Speaker 17 (15:49):
Yeah, that was the That was the mood around the
country on Tuesday night. That's why you see the great
smile on the face of Mel Poindexter, of course, the
d n C Massachusetts member, the former NAACP Brockton vice president, Brockton, Massachusetts,
the home of the fighters, Marvin Hagler and Marky Marciano,
and of course our outreach director here on the Jeff

(16:12):
Santo Show. I know you were celebrating. I know you
were dancing on Tuesday night. My friend. It feels good,
doesn't it.

Speaker 19 (16:21):
Yes, it does.

Speaker 20 (16:22):
And let me tell you this is something that was
well deserved. You have quite a few people who were
out there who heard the message. Remember you and I
were talking about this Monday night that get out, let
your feet speak, let your vote scream, and we actually
did it, and you saw what happened. Seven million people
came out in terms of no kings and no seven

(16:45):
million people. Their voices became their feet going to the
polls voting to express that we're not going to take this.
So that's a big celebration. Celebrate now, prep yourself because
guess what, there's more work to do.

Speaker 17 (17:01):
Yeahs more.

Speaker 21 (17:04):
You know.

Speaker 17 (17:04):
I was explaining. I don't know if you caught it earlier,
but why I have this Harris t shirt on Harris
Walls is that we should have been celebrating like we're
doing now last year, but a lot of things went
wrong and we need to make sure that they don't
go wrong again. So I want to get to something
that you and I have talked about both on and

(17:26):
off the year in the past, and that is looking
at the FDR roadmath, what he started in nineteen thirty
three when he became president, and how we need to
really follow in those footsteps. Now. There are examples of
utilizing the progressive wing and the moderate wing of the

(17:47):
party that has started. Back in twenty twenty one, Joe
Biden his highest rating point in his four years at
sixty percent, and then why because he did things helped
out by Ernie Sanders and AOC and Miss Gaiapaul and
others in the progressive wing who came together and gave
us the American Rescue Plan put you know, vaccinations in

(18:11):
all of us, made the economy better by giving us checks,
made a drastic element on the on the issue of housing.
So to me, the road map is their mel We
just have to follow it and we can't veer off
because we're afraid of the Republicans and the thirty second commercials,

(18:33):
and we got to move to the middle of the
road where there's nothing except dead armadillos and two yellow lines.
Your thoughts, my friend, thank you, Jim.

Speaker 20 (18:44):
Talk about it this. You know, that's what worked Tuesday
because we went back, We pulled out the blueprint, we
pulled out the FDR plan, We created what do you
always hear me talk about, created the collaborative, the progressive,
the you know even you know, we even had some
of our conservative brothers and sisters in the party who

(19:07):
saw the light, who said, Okay, we've seen what this
present occupant intends on doing what he's done, and we're like, okay,
we're gonna stop this. So they became part of the collaborative.
You saw what happened in New Jersey, you saw what
happened in Virginia, you saw what happened in New York City.
You saw what happened in California. Okay, Pennsylvania, we had

(19:29):
three Supreme Court justices elected. Okay, that lets you know.
People got the memo. They saw that this has got
to change because you saw a Supreme Court that people
have lost faith in. So it falls to the people
on the ground. As you and I always talk about this,
you and I are the foot soldiers. We're the ones

(19:51):
who call to arms all of those voters out there
and give them the sense of this is what we
need to be focused on. And you saw what happened Monday.
Patch yourself on the back because when you and I
were saying we got to get this done, we got
it done.

Speaker 17 (20:06):
So congratulations, well congratulations to you too, and and and
the thousands of people who helped in all these key states.
I want to start with our friends in California and
the great work that Gavin Newsom did, and as we've
talked about so many times, he decided to meet the moment.

(20:26):
Not everybody has in our democratic friend circle, but he did,
and he said, not on my watch. We're not going
to be intimidated by you, mister Trump, and we're going
to push back and fight back peacefully. And and he did.
And you know, and Trump doesn't know what to do,
and he's he's shaken all over the plays. Oh it's
it's a rigged election and all that. He is shaking

(20:48):
in his boots. And he knows that he's not going
to get the chance to break the constitution and run again.
So you know, he knows he's not going to face
Newsom because if he did, he get crushed. And the
fact is this is that this is where, this is
where we are. And I think he has really opened
the door. And now we're seeing you know, Governor Moore
in Maryland, we're seeing Pritzker in Illinois trying to copy this,

(21:10):
and new some the other night actually called for this
and said, look, you know, Governor of Colorado, Governor of Illinois,
Governor of New York, you have to be able to
help us out because you know that's what the Republicans
are doing. We gotta fight fire with fire. So you know,
we're going back to our original independent commission in twenty

(21:32):
thirty two. But for the new next two elections, you can't.
You can't give mister Trump and the Republicans, who are
basically a rubber stamp for him, any sort of leeway
your thoughts, Yeah, exactly, So what do we say?

Speaker 20 (21:49):
Prop fifty became the blueprint, and each state once Prop
fifty became successfully voted in people saw that it can
be done. That became the blueprint. You're right, you know.
Governor Pritsker came in and said, all right, now that
we see that this works, we're going to copy this
across the country. So each state has now gotten the

(22:10):
marching orders. And funny thing, as soon as that became
voted in California, the first thing that Trump did is
he started blaming the Republicans for not listening to him.
You know, if you'd listen to me, by the way,
because they listen to you. That's how we've got in
this mess in the first place.

Speaker 17 (22:28):
Okay, but never.

Speaker 20 (22:28):
Taking responsibility for anything he does, what does he do?
He loses he sees it. We Democrats are not going
to be pushed around, and if necessary, we will get
just as you know, bare knuckle and to defend democracy
as you were trying to undermine it, and you saw it,
people were committed to it, they voted for it. And
now guess what, it's now the blueprint across the country.

(22:53):
So now each state now has that in their hand
and they can say, all right, you want to come
and try to do that here, we're not taking it,
and you've seen it. We're committed to it.

Speaker 17 (23:02):
We're going to fight. I agree one hundred percent. We're
talking with Mel Poindexter again, Massachusetts DNC member, former vice
president of the Brockton Massachusetts NAACP. Of course also involved
with the Urban League and again is our outreach director
here on the Jeff Santo Show, a big part of
it every Mondays with Mel is our time with the

(23:23):
fantastic spokesperson for so many different organizations, and of course
right now is a Massachusetts DNC member. I want to
ask you this and we'll try to get a squeeze
a call and if we can before the end of it,
Kevin at eight three three five four five five three
three three, just let me know who we have in

(23:43):
my ear in terms of get in terms of callers.
Let me let me ask you this mel do you
feel that whatever sort of oh we can't do this
and oh that's too risky kind of approach, or though
my Trump's just going to destroy everything and we've got

(24:05):
to get back into our fetal position again and and
just just you know, take take cover. I think that's
all gone. I think the seven million people on the
No King's rally prove that. Obviously are some people that
are you know still you know, there's always going to
be that percentage regardless. But I think the vast majority

(24:28):
of Democrats, the vast majority of Americans, like you know,
we're ready to turn the page on you, mister Trump
right now. And I think our friends at the Dunkin Donuts,
you know, when we have we show the the bag
that we have right here. You know, it goes from

(24:49):
seven dollars to fourteen dollars. You know, this is an
example that they can get away from. And I checked,
by the way, yesterday just to continuation, went down one penny,
so it's thirteen ninety nine. Now, Well that's what it is,
and it's it's all there for us your thoughts.

Speaker 20 (25:11):
See, you're right that people seven million people came out
and they said, I want you to fight for us. Okay,
a couple of weekends ago, they said, we're not We're
not going to take this. And as a party, we
want you to stand up and fight for us, to
push back on the undermining of democracy, push back on

(25:33):
the undermining of simple liberties, push back, and we want
you as a party to show that you're willing to
go bare knuckle fight to protect our rights and to
protect the the economic stability that we deserve as citizens
of this country. And we saw that on Tuesday night

(25:55):
when we came back. We told the American public, we're
going to fight you. You back up, We're gonna back you.
We're gonna go out there. You saw what happened where
each and I mentioned to you before that we heard
the message that the DNC, the Democratic governors, the Democratic
Congressional Delegation, the Democratic Senatorial Delegation, the Democratic Legislative Delegation,

(26:21):
even the state parties at each state level all came
together and said we are on one mission. We have
one blueprint, and that blueprint is to fight back to
let people know that no, you're not pushing us around
and we're not backing down. Okay, So this is the beginning.
This is the beginning of a movement. And that's the

(26:42):
thing I want everyone listening to day to say, the
think this is a movement. This is step one of
a major movement to retake our democracy, to retake the House,
to control the Senate, and then to finally remove the
person out of the White House so that we have
sound report. And this is we're all in us together.

(27:02):
This is our movement, and we are committed to fight
for the midterm election. So this is the mission. Everybody's
got that mission. You have it, I have it, every
Democratic member and this country has it. Dancy has it.
As I mentioned, we're all here fighting because we're fighting
for every single person that showed up at that No
King's rally seven million people and guess what, seven million people.

(27:26):
We heard you, and we're fighting.

Speaker 17 (27:29):
I think everybody has heard us, and I think more
people are going to hurt us. And I think also
to becoming part of the community, which is so important here.
And you're going to take a call from my good
friend John in the Minneapolis who is a great progressive
and a great listener to the show and a fantastic
friend of the program as well. And I think that
people want to belong to something bigger than themselves. And

(27:52):
I think what we're building, and I love the fact
that you're talking about the movement because people don't want
to join a party infrastruates. Sure, you know, a building
in different parts of the country may want to be
part of a movement. And I think that John, as
an example, is probably also agrees with you. John. Okay,

(28:13):
all right, we can't get it. John has stepped aside here.
But okay, that said, I think he'll he'll agree. We'll
probably talk to him later in the show. But here
is in my view, the understanding that if you want
to see Trump gone, if you want to see a better,
better America that gives you health care, that gives you

(28:33):
a chance at a good education, those are all things
in my view, that we can do as the Democratic
Party and the progressive wing of the Democratic Party can
lead there. I got about a minute, go right ahead, right.

Speaker 20 (28:50):
Now, I can you know. I think that what happened
was people felt that the party had forgotten what our
mission was. People think people felt that we had a
bet in them, and you saw that when we actually
listened to people on the ground, actually went out and
talked to them and asked them, looking at what happened

(29:10):
to us in twenty twenty four, and said, okay, what
do we need to do to gain your support your
confidence in us? What do you need us to do?

Speaker 22 (29:20):
We listened.

Speaker 20 (29:22):
It's about merging ideas progressive, moderate conservative, coming together, building
a coalition, and being committed to that coalition, and then
being committed people that we represent. This what's all about.

Speaker 17 (29:36):
You got it? Man. Great to see you, my man,
on this. We wanted to have yesterday, we couldn't make
it work. Great to have you today, cooled and gang
brought us in and you know we have the great
blues and giving you out. So thank you, my man.
We'll talk to you on Monday. Have a great one.

(29:57):
We'll be right back. Thank you.

Speaker 12 (29:59):
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Speaker 1 (30:16):
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Speaker 2 (30:20):
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy says flights will be cut by
ten percent at forty airports across the country starting tomorrow
due to the impact of the government shutdown. The list
of airports that will be impacted reportedly includes major travel
hubs such as Lax LaGuardia, O'Hare and Phoenix Sky Harbor.
Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is set to retire from Congress.
She made the announcement in a video this morning. The

(30:42):
eighty five year old has been in politics for nearly
four decades, representing her San Francisco based district. Pelosi served
as House Speaker from two thousand and seven to twenty
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(31:05):
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I'm Chris Karajhio NBC News Radio.

Speaker 15 (31:14):
Thursday Night Football in AFC West show Down between the
Broncos and Raiders in Denver. Broncos corner Pats or ten
the second will miss his second straight game due to
a pack injury. The Cardinals places quarterback Kyler Murray on
injured reserve so he continues to recover from a foot injury.
On the ice, forward alex so Vatchkin scored his nine

(31:34):
hundredth career goal and the Capitols win over the Blues.
In DC talks on becoming the first player in league
history to reach that milestone.

Speaker 17 (31:44):
It's a.

Speaker 19 (31:46):
Huge number.

Speaker 24 (31:47):
No one ever did it in the aincial history and
the first player I would do it. It's a special moment.

Speaker 15 (31:55):
Blues goalie Jordan Bennington tried to hide that milestone. Park
NBA nets down the Pacers to pick up their first
win of the season, while the Trailblazers rallied from twenty
two down to hand the Thunder their first loss of
the season. That's sports, I'm ron to Moss.

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Speaker 17 (33:39):
Thirty three minutes past the hour. It is the Jeff
Santo show that you are tuned into. We are having
some difficulties with our technical delivery from Voca Raton, Florida,
and therefore it has created a backjamp backlog and unable
to get to our guests. But in the meantime, I

(34:00):
just want to again tell people that it is up
to you if you want to see a change in
this country. You know, I think Mom Donnie said it
best the other night. We're going to try to see
if we can play some audio over the next half
hour from the Mom Donnie's speech, But one of the

(34:21):
things that he said is that you know, you can
try to come for some of us, but you're going
to have to get through all of us. And I
think that can be both a comforting statement as well
as the ability to continue again peacefully to push back

(34:43):
on this occupant of the White House and the Republicans
who control Congress and their lies. I saw Johnson today
talking about Marxist and all this other nonsense. Meanwhile, the
fascist wing of the well not the wing, it's the
entire party, Republican Party, continues. I mean, he's trying to
win by cheating. He's trying to win by basically taking

(35:08):
people of color, Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans off the
voting areas and basically trying to figure a way to
gerrymander the entire country where they control it. Of course,
and again I've said this before, Democrats have done this

(35:31):
in the past. But as somebody like Greg Pallace, who's independent,
the former Guardian reporter, Republicans doing this on steroids. This
is pathetic. But this is how a party that will
eventually go the way of the Whigs unless they dramatically,
you know, get away from what Trump has done over

(35:53):
the last eight years or twelve years. And you know,
the way, the way I see this is that the
are nine years. I guess technically the Democratic Party has
to realize what is at stake and push back and

(36:16):
fight back peacefully. And if they do that, they will
be the majority party. They will not be They will
not be you know, continuing to sort of look for
their issues and you know, and be in a place
where the party is kind of, in my view, in

(36:37):
a place of major frustration and you know, a lot
of people abandoning the party. I think there's a great
opportunity here to move this agenda forward. And if you
move the agenda forward, then people would reward you like

(36:59):
they did on Tuesday night. Again, folks, if you're just
tuning in, we were going to be hoping to talk
to her Boyd at this window of time between three
point thirty three and four o'clock. We're still trying to
aim for that. We're having some technical difficulties with the
phone lines. We're going to talk to our good friend
Lee Blackman on the phone, and our hope here is

(37:25):
to make both of those happen if we can. Let's Kevin,
if we can do this, get some of the files
that we have prepared, including that of Congressman ugly Are

(37:47):
from the other night, as well as Congresswoman Clark as
backups here as we try to fix our system, which
we're doing right now with our great team in Boca Raton, Florida. Okay,

(38:08):
So one of the things that I think is important
here is that the movement, as our good friend an
outreach director now Poindexter just said, we need to move

(38:28):
together one direction. You stop Trump and then you move
in a progressive populist direction that brings a better life
to people, regardless of their color of skin. This is
not a handout. This is for everyone to get an

(38:48):
opportunity to have healthcare, to have proper education, to get ahead,
to go from being poor to working class to the
middle class. And some will get very wealthy. But it's
not to be rewarding the one percent. They've had enough

(39:13):
of this. Reagan gave him a tax cut. Bush One
gave him a tax cut. This is, in my opinion,
outrageous that the Republicans still try to screw people. And
it's working class and middle class people who have been
giving it, who have been getting it and that's outrageous,
all right. Because of the technical issues, We're going to

(39:36):
try to bring her Voyd and our good friend Lee
a Blackman to you, But in the meantime, we're going
to give you an interview. I believe this is with
Congresswoman Cochley. Is that correct, Kevin? Okay? This is Congressman
Pete Agley are the number three ranking a Democrat, And

(39:58):
we'll be back as soon as we we fixed this situation.
This is Congressman agli Are from the other night, the
other day, representing the great city of San Bernardino in
southern California.

Speaker 26 (40:13):
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Speaker 27 (40:30):
This is the Jeff Sato.

Speaker 17 (40:32):
Show, thirty three minutes past the hour. It is the
Jeff Santo Show that you are tuned into. We are
here have you Monday through Friday from three to six
pm Eastern time, coast to coast Boston, New York, New Jersey,

(40:55):
and across the great state of California, which is where
we are going next. It is a real pleasure to
be on the air in San Bernardino, and it is
going to be a real pleasure to talk to their congressman.
He is the number three ranked in the Democratic House
leadership and he, of course is a representing the thirty

(41:16):
third district in the great state of California. We're talking
about Congressman Pete agli Are and he joins us on
the phone today. Congressman, great to be with you today
and thank you for joining us.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Thanks for having me, Jess.

Speaker 17 (41:31):
A real pleasure. Well, you know, these are crazy days,
not only the election going on around the country, which
we want to talk about, particularly with Prop fifty, but
obviously with mister Trump. It is a very very important
day to show how the democracy can work and how
it needs to work going forward. This is an important

(41:53):
time for the country. Your thoughts about Election Day twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
You know, you hit it.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
I mean, look, our country is built on, you know, people,
the rule of law, and free and fair elections. And
Donald Trump may not believe in all of these, you
to bed rock principles, but that's fundamentally what we have
to do and what we have to support. And so
around the country people are exercising their franchise and their

(42:23):
ability to vote. We have important races for governor, as
you've covered in New Jersey and in Virginia and Prop
fifty and here on the West coast, you know, two
thirty little after two thirty pm, we have we still
have a handful of hours for people to turn their
ballots in, and so that's what we're encouraging people to do.

(42:44):
Go to a vote center, go to a ballot drop center,
go to your local polling place, but make sure that
you exercise your right to vote. And there's only one
in many jurisdictions, there's only one question on the ballots
and it's a Proposition fifty. And I'm confident and all
the ballots are counted, we're going to have a strong
showing on the S side.

Speaker 17 (43:04):
We're talking with Congressman Pete Augley are again he represented
the thirty third district, Sam Bernardino being a big part
of that. He's also the House Democratic Caucus chair and
vice chair in the leadership. We had your colleague on
the Miss Clark, Catherine Clark, the minority whip, just a
couple of weeks ago. So we're getting up and maybe
we can get now that we're on in New York,
New Jersey, hopefully Speaker to be and Minority Leader Keem Jeffries.

(43:29):
Get the whole team going, and you're all welcome to
come on at any point together as well.

Speaker 22 (43:33):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
I love Catherine Clark is amazing. She's a fantastic whip.
She's going to be a great majority leader when we
take the House.

Speaker 17 (43:43):
Back, and I'm looking forward to that. As a Massachusetts person,
I interviewed her when she was in the state legislature,
so we're very excited about having her in the leadership role.
So talk to me about California. You know, we're on
a number of stations in your great state. It is
the critical state, it's the largest state, fifth largest, I mean,
the world. All that Prop fifty means a lot to

(44:04):
your state. You can change a lot of districts right
now because of what Trump did in Texas with Abbott
and so forth. But this also has an amazing effect
for the rest of the forty eight. I mean, we
were talking with one of the teachers we have on,
Melissa Thomlinson of the Badass Teachers, also a part of

(44:24):
the New Jersey Education Association there, and we were talking
about the impact if Prop fifty does win tonight of
how it affects her role as a special educated teacher
because right now she and many other teachers around the
country they can't get anything because even though there's a
Democratic governor there and Governor Phil Murphy, everything is frozen.

(44:48):
So it matters so much for the democracy, so much
for all these states besides California. But it's so important
that California voters continue to vote vote blue. As my
sweater is on on on video as well, and I
think that's a critical point your thoughts about this.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Yeah, absolutely, Look, those governor's mansions are are a very
big deal, and I'm not underselling that at all. A
point of pride for many of us in the House
Democratic Caucus because our current colleague Mikey Cheryl is on
the ballot and our former colleague Abigail Spamberger ployees to
become governor of Virginia. So I'm a huge fan of

(45:28):
both of them. But what we tried to do in California, honestly, Jeff,
was just you know, everything you said is true. You know,
fourth largest economy in the world, largest congressional delegation on
the on the Democratic side, and with that comes a
responsibility to lead and when Donald Trump calls his friend,
you know, Greg Abbott, and says, find me five more

(45:50):
you know, congressional districts.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
We thought that was wrong, and and.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
We called them out on it, and we and we
encouraged other states to do the same. But we didn't
just you know, wave our hands in the air and say,
you know, dang it. We we we said, okay, let's
let's do this. You know, I love and respect and
voted for the independent Redistricting Committee, but you know, I'll
be damned if we're just going to be the only

(46:15):
ones who play by the rules and have an independent
redistricting committee when forty other states, you know, can just
bend to the will of Donald Trump. And so what
we said was fundamentally different is we said, you know,
we want a temporary pause on this. If if Republicans
are going to play politics, then we need to play politics,
and we need to draw a map that works for California.

Speaker 21 (46:37):
And so that's what we did.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Zoe Lofgren and I took the lead on the congressional
side to draw the map. And I give a ton
of credit to Speaker Robert Reeves and Senate pro Tem
at the time, Mike maguire who ushered this through and
the governor's leadership has been so incredibly key, but you know,
we responded, and you know, five seats are on the

(46:59):
line today when people vote. But different than the other
states where these governors just snap their fingers and Trump
snapped his fingers and these state legislatures bend. We're taking
it to the voters and we're saying, look, we want
to push back, and we want to push back forcefully
to Donald Trump. But we're not going to do this
unless you give us the blessing. And so that's what

(47:21):
we're asking Californians to do. And I'm confident that we're
going to have success when the polls close at eight pm.

Speaker 17 (47:28):
No doubt. Again. Talking with Congressman p dagli Are of
Sam Bernardino, California, the thirty third District Congressional district here
on the Jeff Santo Show, I want to ask you, Congressman,
you know it is horrendous. We had an episode here
where we saw it you know, on video, Ice officials

(47:50):
and others from Homeland Security to you know, taking a
woman of ourb American background Arab sent you know, into
custom I know you were in Chicago witnessing some of
the things, the horror story going on there. UH as
as a as a Latino, as somebody who understands what

(48:11):
is at stake here, you know, for people of color.

Speaker 28 (48:16):
UH.

Speaker 17 (48:16):
We had your colleague on Representative Jonathan Jackson the other day,
you know, talking about what has happened in his district
in Chicago. It's just a horror story. And you know,
and when we have to fight back, and again you
know Prop fifty and other measures, UH go to do that,
to bring people who understand civil rights and civil liberties,

(48:39):
UH in leadership and and again your team of hope
to be Speaker Jeffreys and Majority leader UH Clark and
yourself to you know, to be there and and because
this this is not this is not the America that
you and I grew up with.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, it really, it really isn't. And you know, it's
so distressing to many Americans who turn the TV on
and see on the Sunday you know, interviews that Donald
Trump says ice raids haven't gone far enough. But we've
heard from stand from families who have been ripped apart
and are struggling.

Speaker 17 (49:19):
Because of these raids.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
And and it's and it's dangerous, and we know the
facts also show that they are picking up uh US
citizens as well. They aren't uh, they aren't just going
after violent criminals. They're picking up US citizens and harassing
families of others. I mean, this is this is, this

(49:41):
is so tough. We believe in a strong border and
a rule of law, but the actions that Ice is
taking is deeply troubling. So that's that's where you know,
that's where we are, and we're going to keep holding
this administration accountable. We had a field hearing in Chicago.
There will be more field hearing announced led by also

(50:03):
Robert Garcia on the House Oversight Committee. That is all
you know what Donald Trump is avoiding. Donald Trump and
House Republicans want to avoid accountability and oversight. And now
it might be, you know, fifty two weeks from now
that we win an election to be able to provide that,
we need to continue to shine a light and to
provide some of that oversight even when we don't control

(50:28):
committees in Congress. And so that's what we're trying to
do is raise the level of awareness. Let people know
the resources that are available to them. More important, they
let them know the rights that they have as well
when ICE agents try to confront them in their car
and their home on the street and their school. You know,
it's just deeply distressing to so many Americans that the

(50:51):
ICE can now go into churches and hospitals and synagogues
and real you know, previous previous areas where both administrations,
you know, agreed not to engage in enforcement activity. Donald
Trump doesn't care about those rules and the norms that
we've had in the past. And like we said, he's

(51:11):
saying this hasn't gone far enough. And I think for
for Americans across this country who value hard work and
the labor that has done around the country, they're saying
enough is enough.

Speaker 17 (51:25):
It's just callous, it's mean spirited, it's just outrageous. And
that's what we have to overcome over the next two
years to get the Democrats back in charge both in
the House and the Senate, and my view, begin impeachment
hearings and hopefully this time it will work again. It
is a critical time in our in our country. Right now,

(51:45):
we're talking with Congress from p dagli Are of Sam Bernardino,
California represents a thirty third district there. I want to
ask you a little bit about to shut down because
this has so many impacts any and you know, the
polls only get what you get because you know, Trump
owns a big microphone. He has a lot of people
on conservative radio. You know, we're trying to do what

(52:07):
we can here on this show, and we tried to expand.
But the point is is that they obviously have a
built in advantage. One of the things that they do
is they love to lie, and you know they talk
about how towers are going to be great. Well, I'll
tell you we've been using a prop and I told
this to your colleague, miss Clark, that you can use

(52:28):
it as well. You know, I'm from Massachusetts, and you
know dunkin Donuts was started here and about a week
ago or a month ago, I went to pick it
up at the local grocery store here. It was seven
dollars and ninety nine cents for a one pound bag
of dunkin Donuts. It's fourteen dollars ninety nine cents. Now,
within a week it went up from you know, seven
dollars to fourteen dollars. This is the Trump twerf economy,

(52:51):
and I think it between that to shut down and
his other Cacamini ideas. You know, it's costing Americans jobs.
We have a person on from SEI un Age last week,
Lee Blackman, and she was illustrating her federal workers that
belonged to this union close with a f G as well,

(53:11):
and and basically she's saying, they go from the Starbucks line,
you know, more expensive coffee than Dunkin Donuts, uh, to
a soup line. You know, it's that stark for so
many people. And it's and it's the Democrats who are fighting.

(53:31):
You know, they don't. It's very hard what uh you know,
Leader Jefferies and Leader Schumer is doing uh to try
to do all this. But you know, these are the effects.
You don't see the other side that concerned, you know.
I mean they're not They're not maybe gonna throw some
paper towels like it did to the to the people
in Puerto Rico last term when there was a hurricane there.

(53:54):
Mister Trump, that is you know, it's it's just something
that you know, there's no on the other side your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
No, no, there really there really isn't. And I mean
this is from a guy who campaigned and said he's
going to lower the costs that people face on day one,
and everything he has done has raised the costs that
people face, and namely the tariffs that you're that you're
talking about, which is directly attacks attacks on.

Speaker 17 (54:27):
All Right, folks, we are back live. That was a
encore interview we gave you with Congressman Pete agili Are
of Sam Bernardino Camilllifornia. Now we are back live with
our good friend from the great city of New York
and the great section of New York called Harlem, Harlem, Usa,
Herb Boyd Amsterdam News, great columnist, author, and he joins

(54:49):
us on the phone from Harlem. Well, mister Herb, it
was an exciting night on Tuesday night in your very
fair city. Who that was wild.

Speaker 22 (55:03):
Well, we're still celebrating in many ways. And it's just
an absolute phenomenal victory for someone who just virtually come
from out of nowhere. It's one of those Horatio Alger
I mean, the great American story. And for someone who
is a salve Asian that makes it all the more dramatic,

(55:25):
and also one who is a Muslim and a democratic socialist.
It's almost exactly impossible scenario. Jeff. It's almost like that's incredible.
How did that happen? Yeah, it happened because a lot
of young people took to the street. I ran into
them all the time. On They were knocking on the door,

(55:47):
they were passing out leaflets, they were out on the corner,
they were celebrating. They were telling people he's our guy,
he's our guy. It should be your guy too. So
it turns out that that was the case, and all
that goes all the way back to the primary chef.
That's where we begin to first get diverse akling, the
first indication that there was something in the wind. There

(56:10):
was something very strange and traumatic glowing our way. And
here's a young man born in Uganda. That's something comes
to America when he's seven years old. I mean, you
can you couldn't. I mean, Hollywood couldn't do this better.
I don't think.

Speaker 24 (56:28):
No.

Speaker 17 (56:28):
Actually, you know, the I keep thinking about the great
movie with Denzel Washington and Proud New York or two
Mississippi Massala, which I believe his hunt. Maybe I had
made that movie, you know, and it's it's a fantastic,
fantastic connection. Uh you know, I left that movie thinking,

(56:48):
you know, this is such a great country, and you
know how people can kind of come together a lot
of rough times in that movie too, And obviously mister
mom Dinny and the campaign suffered a lot of arrows,
and you know, from Cuomo and company. But I tell you, you know,
you know, seeing what the disaster of Bobby Kennedy junior,
you know, the legacies, the Kennedy, the Cuomo's, I mean,

(57:10):
I mean Mario Cuomo, who I admired and wanted to
see him become president ninety two. You know, he must
got to be rolling in his grave his son first
of all, you know, and embarrasses himself in the scandal. Secondly,
you know, he he loses, then he decides to go
to become an independent. He just abandons the Democratic Party,

(57:32):
which his father was such a big vital part of.
I mean, my god. So yeah, it's it's fascinating because
it's a new generation, isn't it. This is a new time,
you know. And I heard some people you know talking
about you know, you know, David Dinkins and then and
the people are going to come after him like Giuliani did.
It's a whole different world. I mean, look, David Dinkins

(57:53):
was an institution, not only from the great section of Harlem,
but for New York. I mean he became mayor and
it's historic and he was a great mayor. But the
point is is that this is not the same thing.
You know, I want to get your thoughts on that,
because you lived in New York at the time, and
you know, Mandani has an opportunity to soar at at
levels that you know, maybe connect to LaGuardia, the game

(58:16):
of the airport after him, he was so good that
comparison to David Dinkins from the insiders of state party people,
to me, that doesn't make any sense your thoughts.

Speaker 22 (58:29):
Yeah, one of the things about it is that you
have somebody like the current mayor who will be there
in a few more weeks than he's gone. He's history.
He shot himself in the foot. I mean, Eric had
great possibilities. He also was one of those coming come

(58:49):
up out of the out of the out of the
ruins of neighborhoods, you know, the whole crack epidemic. And
then he becomes a police officer and he ends up
getting there. I mean, we're all President of Brooklyn. I mean,
his is a success story that ended tragically and here's
another one.

Speaker 17 (59:09):
Hey, Herb, I want to interrupt you because I know
we're coming to a break. Can you can you stay
over another five minutes? Herb Okay, sure, okay, all right, fantastic,
all right, we're going to take a break. We're gonna
come back with more Herb boid here, and then we're
going to talk to our good friend from the AGE organization,

(59:30):
the National Association of Government Employees, Lee Blackman. And so
we continue here on the Jeff Santo Show. It's the
Jeff Santo Show. Back in a Flash with Herb Boyd
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Now here's Jeff.

Speaker 17 (01:06:51):
And as I or two of the Jeff Joe Show
back live with you here we continue our conversation with
her boy that was really in erupted because of the
technical difficulties. But we have mister Herb with us, and
we are so glad that he continues with us here
for a few more minutes, and then we'll talk to
Lee Blackman again, Federal Director of s C I U.

(01:07:14):
N Age gave us some really great insight last week,
and look forward to that conversation. But I want to
finish up with Herb and a great researcher, Robin I
gave us the information that it was his mother, Mandanni's
mother that was the Mississippi Massala director and which is
fascinating one of these really fantastic movies. Herb and mirror Nair.

(01:07:41):
What was her name? He's her name? Let me ask
you this. I yeah, mir Nair, I think that you know,
he has a certain electricity that you know, even James
Carville I don't trust really, but you know, he may
be looking for a client, I guess. But even Carvel

(01:08:03):
said is the most exciting and dynamic candidate that he's
ever seen. I'm paraphrasing, but pretty much praising him to
the you know, up to me the degree if you
know that's pretty amazing since he's the middle of the
road guy, maybe almost a conservative when you get down
to it. So it is just impressive. I you know,
we're going to try to play for you where a

(01:08:25):
great producer, Kevin is trying to get some audio from
the speech the other night, which I know you listen to.
I was, I was mesmerized, and you know it is
something I mean, I've never seen this. I mean this
is sort of like you know, Muhammad Ali meets Mario Cuomo,

(01:08:46):
you know, meets FDR. I mean, that's that's the kind
of category that he's in.

Speaker 22 (01:08:55):
Herb So a lot of people around here. The first
thing they came in mind for them, Jeff, this generation
was Obama.

Speaker 17 (01:09:03):
Oh yeah, Obama.

Speaker 22 (01:09:04):
In fact, they had similar times. Yes they're saying, my goodness,
but you listen to that victory speech. I mean it
was very presidential and a lot of people saying that, oh,
maybe we have our next real to twenty eight. We
got somebody ready for twenty eight. But they can't forget that.

(01:09:25):
Gavin Newsom watch out for him also in twenty eight
because he has a lot of momentum coming out of
Proposition fifty one. More things about this saying that he
does he does? Jeff does he does he have a mandate?
Does he have a mandate? Well, to some degree he does.
But in a large way. You have to understand that

(01:09:48):
Como pulled eight hundred and fifty thousand voters himself, so
it was almost like a fifty to fifty split, and
so you have to have a lot larger percentage victory
to talk about a mandate. But none of that that
does not be restrictive from saying that. And and and he's
his people are saying it. And now he's put together

(01:10:10):
his team. Check this out. All women, all women, all women.
That's a scene.

Speaker 17 (01:10:17):
I love it. Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
You know?

Speaker 22 (01:10:21):
Hey, you know, no, Jeff, the next accusation is it's
gonna be mont Donnie and his harem. Watch it.

Speaker 17 (01:10:34):
They're all jealous, That's what it is. They're all jealous. Hey,
he's thirty three years old, you know, newly married. Uh,
you know, why not here? But here's something I think
I disagree with the premise that you know Cuomo. Look,
Cuomo ended up having millions and millions of dollars poured in.
A lot of that was to stop Mondani. I mean,

(01:10:55):
the millionaires Bloombergs of the world want of no part
of Mandani. And the point of this is to me
is that I think he has a mandate. He got
fifty plus one, and in my view, you know, they
can try, you know, the establishment of the New York
Democratic Party, the remnants of the type Tammany Hall and
all that, but they have a star. Wrap your arms

(01:11:18):
around him, carry him, you know, I mean, this idea
of fighting somebody on your own side because he's more
progressive than you are. Shame on you New York Democrats
if that's what you're gonna do. And hopefully enough progressive
and enough people you know, who are around him and
moderates two you know, I mean he got mister Lander,

(01:11:40):
the city City councilor was behind him. You know, you had,
you know, miss James. By the way, I want to
ask you this, do you think that she is at
all considering a run for governor? Who's considering James the

(01:12:01):
attorney general?

Speaker 22 (01:12:04):
Oh well, I don't know. You know, at this point,
so much excitement going on in the political arena, and
a lot of people kind of just shake this out
and make sure we understand the kind of ramifications we have.
What implications because this across the country. I mean, the
Democratic Party got to take advantage of this here wave

(01:12:27):
of activity and the victorious movements. They got to grab
a hold to this and ring it for all its work. Jeff,
I mean, look at the situation from California to the
character Virginia, up to New Jersey. Out in the midwest, Detroit.
Look at Detroit. They got the first black female mayor

(01:12:49):
in the city of Detroit, and then twelve years of
the dug And dynasty it's gone, and here she comes
out of the labor movement. He Stanley Horace Sheffield was
a I mean, I mean, so that's a very interesting development.
Can I be ignored? And I'm hoping the DNC is
paying close attention. Tell mister Martin you know him well,

(01:13:11):
tell him to pay attention.

Speaker 17 (01:13:13):
I we'll definitely do that. I don't know him that well,
but I will definitely pay attention and tell him what
mister Boyd said all those years. A great journalist. I know,
I know, I know hey, And we look forward to
interviewing Maddie. I know you'll be on top of that
for us. And now that we're on an AM fifteen
hundred w G a, Herb. You know we're we're going

(01:13:37):
right through your neck of the woods. I'm told right
up to the Bronx and Fordham University is what I'm
being told. So we'll see if that is indeed where
we read because we love to have you live one
of these days as we get to New York City. Sure,
thank you, thank you so much, Herb. It's a great.

Speaker 21 (01:13:56):
Pleasure, man. You call.

Speaker 22 (01:13:58):
Oh you call dot com.

Speaker 17 (01:14:01):
There you go. Well we will be calling for sure,
her boy. Thank you, my friend. Have a great weekend.
I'm hoping you had a great weekend too with the birthday.
I hope you got our birthday song and you and
missus B had a great joint birthday last Saturday. Yes.
Mtc's on. He was the he was the guitarist, exactly.

(01:14:25):
Thanks my man. That's our good friend and fantastic journalist,
Herb Boyd from the Amsterdam News. Okay, we go directly
to Washington, d C. Now, and as we did last week,
just amazed by these stories and saddening by the stories
of federal government workers being laid off and what they're
going through. Uh, here is our good friend from Washington

(01:14:48):
d C. S ci U n Age Federal Director Lee
Blackman joins us. Lee, great to have you back. Thank you,
sorry about the delay with all of this. How much
have things gotten worse better for these federal government workers
since we spoke last week? And again, thank you for
joining us.

Speaker 32 (01:15:09):
Absolutely, Jeff, thank you again for having me. I appreciate
you and your audience for putting the word out and
giving us a platform for the actual workers, for workers
to be heard. So yeah, not a lot. Well, actually
there's been a few changes since last week. However, the
detriment and the impact. Of course, as we know, the
longer the shutdown last, the more impactful it's going to

(01:15:33):
be to these federal workers. Every single day that they
go without a paycheck, of course, the stress level and
the negative impact to them just increases. However, just as
your previous guests spoke to, I think the wave of
the elections was a bit encouraging. We're hoping that that
has some influence, and this Congress is paying attention to

(01:15:55):
the sentiments of the people. It's very clear that they're
not pleased with the actions and the performance of this administration.
So scenes have gotten slightly better, where what we've been
able to temporarily do is hold off, of course, for
those who are keeping a very close ear to the ground,
hold off and prevent the Trump administration from moving forward

(01:16:18):
with their plans to issue reduction in force notices to
employees during a shutdown, which of course would be just
insult to injury. We got a favorable ruling, of course,
as you know, in October twenty ninth, from a judge
in San Francisco, which made it very clear that the
administration cannot move forward. However, our concern is is that

(01:16:40):
we do know that there have been some discussions floating
around about a possible continuing resolution to take us through
the end of December, which is merely only kicking the
can down the road, and then of course what that
government does open, they'll be able to move forward with
those reduction and forced notices. So you know, there is

(01:17:00):
like a slight silver lining, but it's still very trying circumstances.
We still are right now working very diligently, working closely
with our local government, private organizations, nonprofits to provide just.

Speaker 28 (01:17:14):
A very basic everyday resources.

Speaker 32 (01:17:17):
That some of us may take for granted. So we
are working on food baskets, we are working on just
basically your household goods that you need, your toilet paper,
your you know, personal hygiene materials. That's how dire things
are getting at this point.

Speaker 17 (01:17:33):
Unreal. We're talking with Lee Blackman here on the Jeff
Santo Show and Kevin check your text and Freddy two.
It was a photograph in there, coming to you live,
folks from the South coast here in the Commonwealth of Massachusets.
We apologize for our technical difficulties a little bit earlier.

(01:17:54):
For those of you who are listening on radio, Lee
is coming to his life from why Washington, d C.
We had tried to put video on this, but we
couldn't put it together. So we're doing an audio feed
for those who are watching us on the Jeff Santos
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(01:18:14):
always Monday through Friday from three to six Eastern time,
twelve to three Pacific time. Lee, is there a hope
after these elections that Republicans and Democrats will sit down
and iron something out to get these federal workers back
being paid. What is your take? We see the airline

(01:18:36):
stuff going on now. We're going to try to talk
to our friends at the Flight Attendance Union next week.
What is your you know, what are you hearing? I
guess at this point.

Speaker 32 (01:18:48):
Well what we're hearing right now and what we're paying
very close attention to, Jeff, if you're aware that I
believe it was and forgive me the days and stuff
was kind of melting together.

Speaker 28 (01:18:58):
Last week. There was.

Speaker 32 (01:19:01):
A bill that was introduced that, of course a continued
resolution that would reopen the government. But the contingency was
that the administration, the Trump administration was able to would
have the right to determine which which furloughed employees should
be paid, and that's just not acceptable. So of course

(01:19:22):
that did not pass because of course, in.

Speaker 17 (01:19:25):
Accordance with the actions, you couldn't choose.

Speaker 32 (01:19:27):
The exactly exactly, whereas all these furlough furloughed employees.

Speaker 17 (01:19:35):
I'm sorry, no, I just I just think it's unreal
that this is going on. You know, they're they're choosing.
It's outrageous.

Speaker 32 (01:19:44):
And that was the breaking point. That was the breaking
point where we we just right is right and wrong
is wrong. If these employees are furloughed to no fault
of their own, they deserve to be paid, whether they're
required to show up at work every day or they're
sitting at home waiting to return to work. The impact
naturally is more detrimental to those individuals who have to
continue to put out financial resources to make it into

(01:20:06):
work every day. But the employees who are sitting at
home absolutely deserve to be paid. So it was a
non starter. We cannot, of course agree to and we
of course applaud those who were in disagreement with that
continuing resolution that included that caveat. How dare them, of course,
try to kind of minimize and we know, politicize of course,

(01:20:27):
who should and should not be paid based upon their
political affiliation. That's not the country that we live in.
That's not what we should be standing for. So we
can't accept that that's detrimental. But I think that you're right, Jeff,
at this point, I think that the writings on the
wall very clear. They're going to have to sit down
and make some strong concessions, of course, if they want this.

Speaker 28 (01:20:50):
Country to move forward in the right direction.

Speaker 32 (01:20:53):
We're paying attention to what's happening across the country nationwide.

Speaker 21 (01:20:57):
With the.

Speaker 28 (01:21:02):
You heard they are not police, So I applaud those
who came out and vote.

Speaker 32 (01:21:06):
We're looking forward to the same type of big blue
waves in the primaries to come. We absolutely are and
we just will not stop fighting for the rights of
these federal workers.

Speaker 28 (01:21:17):
It is truly disgusting how they're being treated.

Speaker 17 (01:21:21):
It's outrageous, completely outrageous. We're chatting with Lee Blackman of
the sciu n Age, the National Association and Government Employees.
They work closely with Friends of the American Federation of
Government Employees as well, and these unions are having to
deal again with the horror stories of being selected or

(01:21:41):
not selected, waiting to see if the Republicans and the
Democrats will come to the table again. We mentioned our
discussion the other day. We just heard a replay of
it with the third ranking House member, Robert Pete Agliar
of Sam Bernardino, And to me, you know, they the
Democrats want to help, but they are being given choices

(01:22:05):
that are outrageous again, you know, choosing one over the other.
And you know, this is this is this is this
is not fair to the American people. And this is
why I'm hoping that what happened on Tuesday night continues
and the Democrats, the opposition party here, take control of
both the House and Senate and we can begin impeachment

(01:22:27):
hearings in November because this is not right for America,
I should say in January of twenty twenty seven. You know,
and I think your members correct me if I'm wrong.
They must be so jaded to the point that they're
working for the government. They're working for the American flag
behind me. If you're watching on video now in the

(01:22:47):
photograph of miss Blackman is with us, I just you know,
I can only imagine how they feel. You know, that
they've been stabbed in the back by their own government,
which they work for on a daily basis. Talk to
me about that. Are you seeing that? And if they're

(01:23:08):
not vocalizing that, I.

Speaker 32 (01:23:09):
Tell you yeah, absolutely, that's exactly how they feel. Jeff,
I think and specifically just gearing towards all federal workers,
but specifically our employees that work for the Department of
Veterans Affairs. We represent a broad number of employees across
the country that work there, and a number of them,
of course, highly educated and skills made a conscious decision

(01:23:31):
to go work for, of course the veterans or service,
either they themselves or veterans have family members or veterans
and are so committed to the cause of supporting the
veterans that they have taken lower paid positions to work
for our country, that supports out the people who fits
us side by side with us, and the treatment that

(01:23:52):
they too are experiencing right now because of the lack
of services. It is beyond insulting, disrespectful and just wrong.
So jadd I think is a soft way of putting
how they they're disgusted.

Speaker 28 (01:24:06):
They're disgusted.

Speaker 32 (01:24:07):
It is truly just horrifying what you see people going
through the car pooling, helping one another out, sharing food lunches,
you know, taking food to one another's families, childcare concerns.
I mean, it's it's just the worst of the worst
that's happening right now. So how do you think that's
impacting these employees' ability to stay focused on the job

(01:24:30):
that they've been hired to do. So to your point,
we see what's happening with the airline. Who's not impacted
by that? Who's not impacted by that? Right now? There
are no sacred cows. Everyone is suffering. The entire country
is suffering by this administration's action.

Speaker 17 (01:24:48):
And I open up the phone lines here if we
can at eight three three five four five five three
three three. That's eight three three five four five five
three three three. And Kevin can tell me in my
ear you know who is is on the line. I
must tell you, Lee, Uh, it is is so disheartening,

(01:25:08):
but again I have hope because of what happened on
Tuesday night. The American people have spoken. They've spoken with
their with their legs a few weeks ago, with the
know King's rallies and so forth around this country seven
million full, So you know, there's not a you know, lackluster.

(01:25:31):
You know, I'm just gonna sit here and wait it out.
People are angry, people are justifiedly angry. And again we
always say, you know you're angry, it's fine, Uh you
just do it non violently, peacefully, and you know, then
and then people will see changes. We've seen changes. The
Virginia governor is no longer Republican. A lot of people

(01:25:52):
in in Virginia are our federal government employees, uh, you know,
and and they they said, you know, writ large, there's
a lot of House members now that are Democrats that
were not the case before Tuesday night. And I think
that's a big reason.

Speaker 28 (01:26:09):
Yeah, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 32 (01:26:12):
I mean, I just you know, actions, as they say,
actions will always speak louder than words, and the people
have spoken. This is not the country, This is not
we know the words that are on the Statue of Liberty.
This is not what, of course, the United States stands for.
It is a sad day for our country. But I
am absolutely confident when I see the results of these

(01:26:32):
elections that we are going to turn things around. It
gives me a lot of hope to continue to fight
the good fight. I encourage all federal workers who are
out there today just know that what they see by
this current administration is not the sentiments.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Of us all.

Speaker 28 (01:26:45):
We appreciate the work that they do. We value them
very greatly, and we.

Speaker 32 (01:26:49):
Understand how very much so our everyday lives are tied
directly to them. Whether we know someone in the federal
government at some point in time and shape or form,
we are all impacted by and touch to some capacity.
So this is just a sad day for a country
who was supposed to be the leaders of a free world.

(01:27:10):
This is not the example. We're not setting a good example.
So of course we are now history longest government shut
down in history, and of course it is detrimental coming
with Thanksgiving. What we're two weeks away from Thanksgiving and
want to figure out how are they going to celebrate

(01:27:31):
and feed their families?

Speaker 28 (01:27:32):
So what are we going to do as a country.

Speaker 32 (01:27:34):
How do we stand together and stand firm and turn
things in a better direction. And I think you're right, Jeff.
The only thing we can do to change that is
continued to be vocal, non violently and get the vote out,
the vote for what's going to matter, Changing what will
is required to change things.

Speaker 17 (01:27:53):
I want to sneak in a call here from John
and Minnesota, who I believe you talked to last week
and still upset as we all are of this situation,
and it's time for politicians of both parties to meet
the moment. And just like our good friend Gavin Newsom
did in California and pushing back against Trump and started

(01:28:13):
all this that, I think that led to a huge
victory for Democrats. John and MINNESOTAA next with Lee Blackman
of the seiun Age. Go right ahead.

Speaker 33 (01:28:26):
Yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, this shutdown,
the government shutdown, is having a ripple effect throughout the
economy and they're even talking about shutting down major airports
or purtailing a lot of what they do because they
have people, you know, the air traffic controllers, they're working

(01:28:49):
and not getting paid and they're forced to work. And
there are also a lot of very important people who
work in the National Institute of Health and various government
agencies for this work is uh, you know, really impact
being impacted and they cannot afford to continue to go

(01:29:13):
on and just you know, wait to see if they're
going to be furloughed or that if they're going to
get paid.

Speaker 17 (01:29:19):
And some of these Thank you, John, I'm running out
the time, but I agree with your sentiments. Uh final
thirty seconds yours Lee, Thank you John. Yeah.

Speaker 32 (01:29:30):
Again, I just want to Jeff, just tell you keep
on doing what you're doing, keep pushing forward on this
hard topic issue that we're discussing right here. I know
it's not favorable, that's what we're all talking about, but
I want to just leave everyone with a word of encouragement.
This too will pass. We've made it through the first
Trump administration. We will make it through and be the
one standing at the end of the day. Beyond.

Speaker 17 (01:29:51):
Thank you so much, please, thank you, leet R. I
appreciate you so much.

Speaker 32 (01:29:57):
Absolutely, thank you Jack, take care.

Speaker 17 (01:29:59):
Thank you Lee Blackman. Keep fighting folks peacefully. We'll right back.

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This morning.

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Mom is coming out the front door, strong with a
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Looks like Dad has the bags.

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Daughter is bringing up the rear.

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Oh but the diaper bag wasn't closed. Diapers and toys
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car seat buckle for the toddler. And now the eldest daughter,
who looks to be about nine or ten, has secured
herself in the booster seat.

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Dad zips the bag closed.

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And they're off.

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Oh, we are thirty three minutes past the hour here
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serious of politics, the serious of journalism to our show.

(01:34:00):
And at the same time, sometimes he has a sidekick
named Punky. Uh, we're talking about the one and only
Mark Taylor Canfield who comes to us live from Seattle,
w A. He is with black guitar today and uh,
I don't know what that means the significance, but he
chooses a different one all the time for us. Mister MTC,

(01:34:23):
how are you today?

Speaker 39 (01:34:26):
I don't want to be your next president.

Speaker 17 (01:34:29):
I don't need to notice how your money's man.

Speaker 40 (01:34:32):
All I want to do is fucking roll with my
baby tonight.

Speaker 17 (01:34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:34:37):
I don't want to be another king of the hill man.

Speaker 20 (01:34:40):
Tree, the fool he's sitting mask.

Speaker 40 (01:34:43):
I want my baby tonight. All I want to do
is fucking roll with my baby tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:34:55):
Man, Yeah, that's one of our response.

Speaker 39 (01:34:58):
We've been working on a little levels, a little bit
of talk about the president.

Speaker 17 (01:35:02):
And you know, you have to send me that full CD. Man, Well,
we'll play it. We'll play it. You're gonna have to
send me that full full CD.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
Wow.

Speaker 39 (01:35:11):
I also have a bunch of videos on YouTube that
are follows repeated crazy too. Hey I froze. Yeah, it
was like I was scared there for a second. I
couldn't move.

Speaker 17 (01:35:29):
We had some difficulties early. That's all right, that's the
funk weather after I'm telling you get daylight savings time,
daylight savings times leaves, and we get the daylight on
the regular Eastern time, Pacific coast time.

Speaker 22 (01:35:42):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (01:35:43):
And everything gets screwed up. I'm telling you it happens
every every fall. I remember walking years ago in the
eighties working at New England Sports Network and we had
all these feeds from around the around the country for
football and every time around this you know, October November window.
When you change time, the whole thing goes wacky and
unfortunately we're doing that. Hey, uh, Tuesday night party on.

(01:36:07):
It was like in nineteen ninety nine. Thank you, mister Prince.

Speaker 37 (01:36:12):
It was.

Speaker 17 (01:36:14):
A blue heaven. Man. We were excited.

Speaker 11 (01:36:16):
Here.

Speaker 17 (01:36:16):
We were on the air till eleven o'clock Eastern time,
and our great friends in San Francisco and LA at
Cumulus Radio, KBC ANDFO in San Francisco say, man, goes
up to eleven. Great, that's right, goes up to eleven,
that's right, eleven.

Speaker 27 (01:36:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:36:39):
Well, I'm Rob Ryner. He let your herd out.

Speaker 39 (01:36:42):
Yes, I have an article up at Democracy Watch News,
which is by the way, a nonprofit news organization, so
you know, we're not spending any corporate money or anything. Uh,
We're just trying to tell the truth and have some
journalists journalistic ethics. And I have an article today at
Democracy Watchdnews dot Org all about Katie Wilson and how

(01:37:02):
her campaign in Seattle represents a new pro democracy movement
which is not just happening here obviously, but also has
happened in New York City and other parts of the
country where people are fed up. I mean, they've had
it up to here to here with Donald Trump, and
they're angry and they're pushing back and as part of
the result of that, some democratic socialists are actually getting

(01:37:23):
into office.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
Now.

Speaker 39 (01:37:24):
I'm going to check while we're talking to make sure
to see what the latest results are, because you know,
in Seattle things always change at the last minute.

Speaker 17 (01:37:32):
And yeah, by the way, we're in the second day
after the election, and to see what this is. And
by the way, this gives us time. Actually, Kevin, do
we have any cuts from Mandani ready to go as
we wait here to see the latest from Seattle. This
is in real time, folks. It is four thirty seven
Eastern time, one thirty seven Pacific, and our intrepid reporter

(01:37:56):
MTC is trying to find out if there's any more
news on this tie vote in the mayoral election.

Speaker 39 (01:38:06):
So it hasn't been called yet, but but Bruce Harold
surprisingly is not leading. So, I mean, guy, I don't
know what's going to happen now. I mean, the one
thing that I wrote about in my article is regardless
of what happens with Katie Wilson, whether she actually gets
into the Mayor's office or not, and she's talking like
she's going to do it, that you know, she definitely
has changed the politics in Seattle. We've gone from a

(01:38:28):
kind of middle of the road neo liberal phase right
after Shamas Sewant, the Democratic Socialist and member the Socialist
Alternative Party left the city council. She's not running for
Congress against Representative Adam Smith. He's been a major you know,
uh donor for or He's been a he's a major
booster for the military budget for a long time. But yeah,

(01:38:51):
so I don't know what's gonna happen next, but it
definitely lot lighted a fire, much like uh swam Shaw
Maaswant did during her campaign. So a lot of young
folks Scott involved with this election. One thing I was
telling the folks at Democracy Watch News before I got
on the skull is that Katie has continued to hold
all of her campaign events in more marginalized communities in

(01:39:14):
the city so you have to kind of go out
of your way if you live in the middle of
the city to find her events. And she's trying to
be in neighborhoods where people are underrepresented, and that's the
difference between you know, Bruce, whose events are downtown in
the business district. But also I was really shocked, Jeff
that on Tuesday night, I just walked up to say hello,
and she offered to do an interview, an exclusive interview.

(01:39:38):
I love that Democracy Watch news. She made the corporate
media wait, they were all standing around like, who's this guy,
Like what's this about. No, she respects the fact that
I work for a nonprofit news organization, that I'm a
musician and artist in the community. So no, she wanted
to give us the scoop. So that was really cool.
I got an interview with her long before the corporate

(01:39:59):
guys and girls. They all had to wait until her
press secretary Press for actually said Okay, it's time, let's
do the press conference. But Katie is pretty low key.
As I had said before, her response to being compared
to Mom Donnie is that she says she's a lot
less charismatic and doesn't dress as well, so she gives

(01:40:23):
him a lot of credit. But yeah, she's really shocked
and surprise to polsters. And now we're sitting on another
election that's too close to call.

Speaker 17 (01:40:32):
Harold hasn't mind me of the Greg wa race from
you know, a dozen years ago whatever it was.

Speaker 39 (01:40:37):
Yeah, the first time that she ran for city council,
she ran against Richard Comlin, who was a long time incumbent,
and she gave a concession speech that night. I was
there and we all thought that she had lost bil
By the next day he was the one giving the
concession speech. And mail in voting in Seattle especially is

(01:41:01):
notoriously late. People like me go down on the day of,
almost as a ritual. I know other people who do
the same thing, who just wait until the day of
and then walk to the drop box and put it in.
We have mail in voting, but there's also drop boxes
in all the neighborhoods, so if you don't want to
put it in the US mail, you can actually take
it to the drop box and drop it off. And
on election night there's always some election workers there to

(01:41:22):
make sure that you know, everything is cool, and then
a lot of people taking their photos as they drop
the ballots in and then posting that on the King
County Elections website.

Speaker 17 (01:41:32):
And you know, a couple of things, Mark, I want
to get to you on is the fact that there
is a lot of people and you know, I saw
Jamie Raskin, the great Progressive from Maryland, talking about this,
and a friend sent me the cut, and it's about
the idea that Mom, Donnie and I would I would
have to tell you that Katie Wilson is probably in
the same category. And we're going to try to play
some Mom Donnie cuts from his victory speech other night

(01:41:54):
was the most remarkable speeches I've heard in a long
long time. But I want to be before Kevin gets
that to play. I want to say one thing. You know,
as Raskin said, it's FDR. If the Democratic Party gets
back to FDR, you will see quote unquote democratic socialists
like Mamdani talk about themselves as an FDR Democrat. We've

(01:42:16):
gotten a long way away from that. You know. It
kind of ended with the Vietnam War LBJ and things
could and went everywhere, and Clinton ran to the center
right and so forth, and Obama did a little bit
of it, but it kind of got lost in the
second uh, not only a second term, but after the
first two years. And in my view, this is why

(01:42:37):
I think that if we stay on this FDR path
and we and people start talking about the roadmap that
gave you, you know, the social security that gave you,
the WPAU that gave you unemployment, that all these things
that he did, and then set the tone for medicaid
and Medicare by LBJ before the whole Vietnam thing exploded.

(01:42:58):
And this is where I think, you know, progressives and
moderates can come together and you know, you don't have
these all these hyphen iny democratic socialists and democratic this,
and you know, it's just the Democrats. It's just FDR.
If we go to the FDR, not some you know
Kocamani concept of you know, New Democratic Party and you

(01:43:19):
know Third Way and all this other bs, because that's
what it is. You know, we don't want Republican light.
As Harry Truman said, you know, we only have one
Republican party. The authentic one will win every time. And
that's how I look at it, and I think that's
why a lot of people are running in this sort
of independent mode. If the Democrats are at a point
where they you know, run away from FDR your thoughts

(01:43:42):
on that. We're trying to try to play some Mandani
SoundBite before you leave too.

Speaker 39 (01:43:47):
Yeah, and I can provide you guys with some Sarah
or Sarah Wilson too. I mean I I have pleased
a part of her each on Tuesday night, so I
can share that with you guys. It's on YouTube, so
you're welcome to play it. By the way, my YouTube
videos are ad free, folks. I'm not making any money
off of YouTube, so also no corporate pressure there. But
I wanted to tell you this. I do not want

(01:44:09):
to underestimate or understress the importance of what is happening
in this country with this authoritarian, fascist style takeover. So
I don't want to I don't want to lessen the
impact of that in anybody's mind, because this is something
we should all be focusing on. But at the same time,
I also have to say that part of what my

(01:44:32):
political analysis has been lately is that a lot of
young folks and a lot of people who feel disenfranchised
in the political system did not feel that the mainstream,
corporate style democrats were offering a legitimate alternative to this
right wing craziness so.

Speaker 17 (01:44:46):
Well, we proved that in twenty twenty four, young people
were going to Trump because they thought he could offer
them a better economic future. That was because he was
very good, because he's an ultimate a con man, one
of the best, and you know, he bamboozled his way through.
And of course Harris was kind of, you know, left
with just a little bit of time to do it.

(01:45:09):
Biden was sort of you know, asleep at the wheel
over the last term. And even though he was very
good president, particularly for the first year whinning worked with Bernie.
He was sixty percent approval rating on the American Rescue Plan,
but you know, all went downhill and never recovered and
it cost the Democrats the election. And where we are
right now, all right, I want to play a little
bit from Mamdani. This probably run about minute thirty or so.

(01:45:32):
Get your thoughts on the excitement in the room from
the speech from Mondania. Let's play that right now, Kevin, the.

Speaker 41 (01:45:40):
Sun may have set over our city this evening, but
as Eugene Debs once said, I can see the dawn
of a better day for humanity. For as long as

(01:46:01):
we can remember, the working people of New York have
been told by the wealthy and the well connected that
power does not belong in their hands. Fingers bruised from
lifting boxes on the warehouse floor, palms callous from delivery
by candlebars, knuckles scarred with kitchen burns. These are not

(01:46:25):
hands that have been allowed to hold power. And yet
over the last twelve months you have dared to reach
for something greater Tonight, against all odds, we have grasped it.

(01:46:47):
The future is in our hands, my friends. We have
toppled a political dynasty.

Speaker 17 (01:47:05):
That was the fantastic speech of mister mom Donnie Zo
ran Mamdannie, the new New York City mayor. And I
think that enthusiasm in that room in Brooklyn, three thousand
miles away was probably being felt in Seattle. As you said,
a lot of young people who either stood, stayed home,

(01:47:26):
or ended up getting bamboozled by Trump last time around.
You know, our great production team gave me a number
today that nine percent of MAGA voters who voted for
Trump in New York City back in November of twenty
four voted from mam Donni. He spoke about unemployment. He

(01:47:47):
spoke about a future economic job and how we need
to change course that's that's the progressive. That's a guy
that we can count on. And again, because he was
born in the Ugah, the law says he cannot run
for president, but I tell you he is as dynamic
a leader as we have seen in a long long time.

(01:48:10):
I'm interested to see if you think people, even though
they're three thousand miles away, will get on the Mamdanni bandwagon.
And however that you know develops, maybe he runs for
governor or whatever. But in my view, I think this
is a game changing moment.

Speaker 39 (01:48:27):
Your thoughts, you know, if things keep moving in this direction,
I might run for office, because up until now I
felt like that would be a waste.

Speaker 17 (01:48:33):
Of my time. Bring the guitar.

Speaker 39 (01:48:36):
I mean, I never thought i'd see a day where
New York would have a Democratic Socialist mayor and we
would have, you know, a Muslim do yeah. And then
this tie in, this statistical tie or whatever here in
Seattle where we're waiting for the late votes to come in.
I mean for Katie Wilson, who's much more understated, you know,
obviously than Mandani, but she really garnered a lot of
support the same way that Seamasman did. And all I

(01:48:59):
can tell you, Jeff, is it's a new day and
this you know, these people have decided that maybe they're
not getting the representation they want from more mainstream Democrats,
so they're turning to people within the Democratic Party and
you know who are democratic socialists. And I think, you know,
we talked about that earlier today on the editorial meeting
of Democracy Watch News. But it's sort of this dirty

(01:49:20):
little secret in the Democratic Party that there are a
lot of socialists out there who support Democrats, and they
should stop worrying about that and acting like like the
right wing does that everybody's a communist who doesn't, you know,
believe in mainstream values. They should embrace that and spread
their their voting out into the neighborhoods that aren't paying

(01:49:40):
attention right now, get the working class involved in this movement.
Let some of the.

Speaker 17 (01:49:53):
Important is that again, you know, whether you're a democratic
socialist or an independent or whatever name you want to
put in front of your Green Party, if you are
an FDR Democrat, the Democratic Party should be welcoming you.
If you are for you know, health care for all,
or single payer health care or you know, Medicare for all.
However you want to define it. There's ways to tweak

(01:50:15):
everything that is defined as by a name. That's just
a name. You know, eventually you call it the Truman
plan if you want. The point, though, is is that
people need to have healthcare coverage. Amen, Bernie Sanders, whatever
you want, right, exactly what you want.

Speaker 39 (01:50:33):
We're talking about some basic issues, you know, basic issues.

Speaker 17 (01:50:36):
But let me let me say this exactly. The point
is is that Bernie Sanders is not a is identified
as a Democratic Socialist, and in some interviews and so forth,
he's an independent from Vermont. He's also caucaus with the
Democratic Party. Okay, but here's something else. Bernie Sanders is

(01:50:58):
not somebody just came down from Outers. He's not from Jupiter.
So the point is is that he likes he played
basketball in high school. Is very good. You know, he
loves the Patriots. Yea for him. I think he's more
of a Red Sox fan since he moved away from Brooklyn.
He was a Dodger fan growing up. Doesn't like all
the money being spent in baseball. I mean, he is

(01:51:18):
as normal if you want to call normal being sports fans,
you know, lover of music. I mean, he was on
stage in sixteen and twenty, you know, with Peter, Paul,
Mary and all that stuff. I mean, you know, so
it to me, this is why this idea that you
you tag somebody and this is you know, basically giving
Trump more material. Oh well, he's out of touch. Or

(01:51:42):
look at this and look again. These are people who
are real humans. You know, they bleed. They are people
who eat oatmeal for breakfast. You know, they eat steak
and potatoes, or you know, if they have some vegetables, great,
everybody should eat more vegetables myself. But the point is
is that we're all the same here, and if you

(01:52:04):
know democrats, corporate democrats are particular, you know you have
something here. Work with him. Don't be stupid and throw
him off the cliff. That is suicidal for any kind
of organization, including the Democratic Party. But I don't think.
I think people are realizing this, and I think we're
going to see a lot more people unify around man,

(01:52:24):
Donnie Mark.

Speaker 39 (01:52:26):
Get more young people involved. You better turn to the
to the progressives and the Democratic Socialist because that's where
kids' heads are at these days, Jeff. They are thinking
they've given up on the mainstream political scene. And if
the democrats want to get those votes, they better start
supporting them. They better start showing up in those communities
and talking to people who are organizing the working class

(01:52:47):
and poor folks to push back against this oligarchy. I mean,
you know, we don't want an oligarchy wherever, whatever political
party it comes from. And these labels have been so
limiting for all of us. As a journalist, as a musician, whatever.
So tired of labels. Jeff, I don't care what you
call yourself. We can agree on some very basic things,
fundamental things about human rights, about democracy, about freedom of speech.

(01:53:10):
Then I'm with you. You know, I don't care what
you call yourself. But this whole idea of dividing and
conquering everyone and trying to fragment and divide the society
is just not it's not helping. We all need to
be speaking with one voice, and it needs to be
for democracy against authoritarianism and for the working people and
the people who really make this country work. The rest

(01:53:31):
of the power brokers, they need to step aside and
let let this populist movement happen. And if they want
to get involved, that's great. You know, we can always
use a few billionaires to help fund our projects. But
you better get out of the way as well, because.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
You are not.

Speaker 17 (01:53:45):
You know, if you're the right thing to be a billionaire,
that's all right with me. A three three five four
five five three three three, Kevin, let me know if
we have anybody on the line. Also, I want to
say this. You know, you and I are are close
in age. You're a little bit younger. But the point
is is that I sense that a lot of the

(01:54:05):
political you know, anti mainstream label reminds me a lot
of early nineties on how the music scene was changing
in your great city, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and look
at how music changed in that late eighty eight, eighty nine,

(01:54:26):
nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one time period and the impact
it had on the music industry, you know, nationwide and worldwide.
And I think we may be coming to a point
in politics. Similarly, you understand the music world like no
other guests that we have. I think there's something to that,

(01:54:49):
and I want to get your thoughts.

Speaker 39 (01:54:51):
Seattle is still like that, Jeff. Those influences, influences have
not left that. People here look to our local community
for leadership. They don't look to New York or LA.
They look for, you know, what's happening, you know on
Capitol Hill or in Pioneer Square, the Central District. They
are looking for what's happening in White Center. They're not
looking for what's happening in Manhattan. So people in Seattle

(01:55:13):
are local oriented when it comes to politics and also
when it comes to music. And if we keep that together,
then we can have amazing things happen here and we
can show the rest of the country how it's done.
And we've done that in the past, and we will
do it again in the future. We're already doing it
right now. With Katie Wilson's campaign. She came out of nowhere.
No one had any idea. I didn't expect her to
do this. Well, nobody did, and so she's just proven.

(01:55:36):
And she said in my interview with her that it
gives her hope for democracy. She's saying, we are about
We are about hope and the future, she said, not
about fear and anger. And she also said, and this
is a very populous kind of thing. She says at
the event, she says, this is your city, and then
people start chanting that, and that's because she wants to
turn the city back over to the grassroots, to the

(01:55:58):
people who are community activists and people who really get
things done in your neighborhood and run the food banks
and help out at the churches to make sure that
people are fed and clothed. That kind of community. And
I'm glad to see that. I think that's similar to
our style of music here and it's good. It's a
good way. I can see that happening in New York too,
where people in the boroughs are taking very serious attention,

(01:56:19):
paying very serious attention to what's happening in their communities,
you know, and candidates like Mamdani can help do that.
These community driven.

Speaker 17 (01:56:28):
Well when he goes on a bus and talks to somebody,
you know, in a in a bus seat with you know,
urine smell in the background and just trying to get
from point A to point B. And as Mamdani has said,
it's one of these situations where the bus is going
two miles an hour through traffic and the person who
is late for work, he or she is the one

(01:56:49):
that gets the the bs potentially get fired because you know,
the structure is not working, the transportation structure, you know,
you know, and This is really an important to tell
that story, and he's doing it.

Speaker 39 (01:57:02):
Katie Wilson is the ex director director for the executive
director for the Writer's Transit Union, which she founded, and
they've been very instrumental in pushing transit issues in the region.
And I told her, look, I want in twenty twenty nine,
if you've become mayor in twenty twenty nine, this is
my this is my request. I want to be able
to get on a bus in downtown Seattle or near

(01:57:23):
downtown Seattle and come to your event on Beacon Hill
and have it take less than forty five minutes or
an hour. Please, that's I mean, I know it's possible.

Speaker 17 (01:57:32):
Minutes.

Speaker 39 (01:57:32):
It's not a huge city. I could have been in
Tacoma if I've been on the freeway. And that's the
way that it gets treated. Unfortunately in a lot of
cities where a lot.

Speaker 17 (01:57:41):
Of you guys have some light rail, right, but not
a lot. I know you got the overhead.

Speaker 39 (01:57:46):
Expand that, but unfortunately, our transit funds are empty again.

Speaker 17 (01:57:51):
And they're going together for this guy.

Speaker 39 (01:57:54):
Yeah, and we don't have a state income tax, so
the billionaires, they are not contributing to our transit issues.
It's all coming from property taxes and sales taxes. We
have a ten percent sales tax in Seattle, which is
totally regressive. Meanwhile, the billionaires are paying nothing for their income.
So you know that causes a problem. And I think
Katie is the kind of candidate who can take these
issues on. Nobody so far has been has had the

(01:58:14):
cahouna is to even suggest that we should introduce.

Speaker 17 (01:58:17):
It, have an income tax, right, Yeah, the.

Speaker 39 (01:58:20):
Democrats are afraid of that issue. The Republicans will never
touch it. So it's going to take somebody from the
outside to push that belloet.

Speaker 17 (01:58:27):
And maybe Katie Wilson and there you go.

Speaker 39 (01:58:31):
We need to be able to fund our schools, we
need to be able to fund our transit infrastructure. And
if we don't have a state income tax, it's got
to stop coming out of the middle class in the
poorest pocket. As far as you know, in terms of
retail sales tax, I mean there's no real sales tax
on food, thank god, but clothing, anything else you buy,
you're paying a ten percent over and above. That's why
a lot of people drive to Oregon to buy cars, Jeff,

(01:58:54):
because there's no state sales.

Speaker 17 (01:58:56):
Tax because they have an income tax like normal.

Speaker 39 (01:58:59):
No, actually only they changed they another No. Oregon is
also another state that doesn't have an in tax.

Speaker 17 (01:59:06):
How do you become progressive states and not have an
income tax? I don't get that.

Speaker 39 (01:59:09):
I have no idea. I mean you could pretty much
point to powerful, wealthy people. I mean that's the only
thing I can do.

Speaker 17 (01:59:14):
Yeah, well, they're there in both states. The Silicon Valley
North crowd Mark Taylor Canfield. So good to have you
on a Thursday. My friend, appreciate you and we'll talk
to you.

Speaker 39 (01:59:28):
Yeah, you too, Lock the Airways. I'm really glad to
see you expanding in California and elsewhere. It's a good
time for you and your show, and maybe a good
time for the United States if this turnaround that I
see happening is complete, and I hope it will be.

Speaker 17 (01:59:42):
Soon because you had people you Yeah, we'll be right, folks.

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Speaker 17 (02:06:57):
It is our three of the Jeff Santo Show, and
welcome to it, folks. If you are a viewer and
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I am wearing blue because I am a Democrat and
I like the color blue. But I'm also wearing a

(02:07:17):
Patriots hat. In Bob Kraft, the owner of the Patriots,
I don't agree with on politics majority of the time.
He is a Trump supporter, but he did say something
in two thousand and two when the Patriots won the
Super Bowl, and I want to kind of take his
quote and a bridge it a bit, and he said,

(02:07:37):
you know, today, we are all patriots. Of course this
is after nine eleven, just a few months later. Well,
I want to say this a couple of days after
the fantastic win for the Democrats. Democrats are patriots too,
and that they proved it, and the voters who voted
for the Democrats proved it too. And today we're going

(02:07:59):
to talk to two people in this hour who have
done it, one in politics as a candidate, the other
one in politics as a d NC member. And now
I'm talking about former Baltimore mayor, former governor of Maryland,
and former New York former Social Security Commissioner. Our good friend,

(02:08:20):
Governor O'Malley joins us on the line, and it's so
great to have him with us. And we'll be joined
by Jim Roosevelt, of course, the grandson of FDR the
Great FDR. A little bit later in our broadcasts, Governor,
great to have you back. You are looking like you

(02:08:42):
are on your way to you know, the next event.
It's great to see you on the road. That's fantastic.
How are you.

Speaker 19 (02:08:50):
I'm doing fine, Jeff, And.

Speaker 42 (02:08:53):
You know, yesterday was the first day I actually enjoyed
turning on the television and tuning into the news, and Lord,
about fourteen months. It was such a great result. Congratulations
to everybody who works so hard in the California referendum,
as well as our candidates in New York, New Jersey,

(02:09:14):
Virginia and some other places as well. It really, it
really gives you, gives you hope. You know that democracy
is not asleep. The things these guys are doing to
mess with the cost of your health care, to mess
with the cost of your prescription drugs, to mess with
the cost of living, to mess with food stamps. Now, Lord,
who would have ever have thought that as we approach Thanksgiving,

(02:09:36):
Uncle Sam would be cutting off food stamps to forty
one million people. Where now we're supposed to say thank
you when they know when they come up with sixty
five percent of it or whatever it is. And of
course the evergreen worry. And I know you'll unpack this
more with Jim Roosevelt. The damage they've done to the
operations of Social Security and the risk that and the

(02:09:56):
peace of mind they've robbed people of because of the
risk they've taken with our personal data and its operations.
But hey, let's celebrate yesterday. And I and from my
from my reading, Jeff, I mean, look, the American dream
is at its core an economic promise. It's the promise
that if you work hard, you'll be able to get

(02:10:18):
a hat. And that's that's what it's all about. I mean,
so long as people feel like their country doesn't have
their back and nobody's listening, a lot of us will
hit the refresh button as an immediate reflex. But hopefully
this will this will be a harbinger of better things
to come as democrats, which we cannot allow ourselves to

(02:10:41):
become untethered from, to be separated from the kitchen table
realities of every American family. And look, I know some
people say, like whoever that smarty guy is that came
up with the term, Oh, we need a new abundance agenda. Yeah,
whatever a man it truly, but you know, go sell
tomatoes sauce album donas exactly. But it's it's about those

(02:11:04):
that kitchen table reality. And I'm not just talking about,
you know, watering down the instant mashed potatoes to go further.
I'm talking about once the kids are in bed and
then mom and dad are there and the tensions high
about the bills and what are we going to pay?
What are we not going to pay? How are we
ever going to save for our kids future when it
costs so much to go to college. So that's that's

(02:11:26):
the kitchen table reality. And sometimes as democrats and our
empathy and our caring for a lot of groups of
people that these guys are doing, are are you know,
unleashing their cruelty upon we lose sight of the broader
macro economic message, if you will, which has to be
our through line. It's economic opportunity for all right.

Speaker 17 (02:11:47):
It's the FDR way we got to come back on.
And that is the road map that I think we
saw the other night from Momdannie in New York and
the news in California. If you fight back and push
back against this, against this administration against this bully. You
can win. And I we played some earlier cuts and
we'll try to do that in the coming interview with

(02:12:10):
you and Jim coming up later the great speech from Mondani.
But I want to tell you what I just heard
from our guest just a few minutes ago. The federal
director of SEIU NAGE is a woman by the name
of Lee Blackman. She's a federal director at s CiU
and AGE. And the horror stories is she told me

(02:12:31):
last week that these folks that work in the federal government,
these folks behind me, as you may see the American flag,
are now distressed to the point that a field they've
been stabbed in the back by this president and the
Congress that is in control, and that is of course
a Republican control, which is lap dogs for mister Trump.

(02:12:54):
And what she is telling me last week is the
they went from Starbucks. As you know, I am a
dunkin Donuts guy because Massachusetts and got my dunkin Donuts
coffee here. That went from seven dollars to fourteen dollars.
Thank you, mister Trump and your stupid tariff that has
gone on. Of course, he went after Da Silva, the

(02:13:15):
progressive leader in Brazil because of Balsonaro about to go
to jail. You may already be there. But the fact
is is that you know, all the coffee comes from Brazil.
Seven dollars in middle of September, now fourteen dollars of
Dunkin Donuts. Well, our friend miss Blackman said that a

(02:13:36):
lot of her workers, I mean a decent wage. You know,
we'd go to the Starbucks line when they had a
job that paid. Now they're going to a soup line
just to get by. That is not American, That is
not patriotic. That is disgusting. And this is what mister
Trump has started. And you know the Democrats have shown empathy.

(02:13:58):
We had on the third ranking Democratic House member exactly
and they have plans too. And I'm talking about our
good friend, Congressman Pete agli Are of San Bernardino. And
if this is to me, why it's so important what
Gavin Newsom has started, and that he with his great

(02:14:19):
communication skill and again people like Mom Donnie also have it,
you know, an avid and massive oodles of energy. Is
the fact that Newsom came to the moment, he met
the moment and he said, not on my watch. We
are pushing back. You're gonna come to Los Angeles and

(02:14:40):
try to intimidate us. No way, no way. And that
didn't last very long, thankfully, and thankfully there weren't many,
you know, injuries or whatever happened in Los Angeles. But
it's disgusting what they tried to do to pick people
up off the streets. But what I think, Governor, and
you're exactly right, talk about out these economic issues. Communicate

(02:15:03):
to the person who's making thirty five forty five thousand
dollars a year. And if we do that, we win
because we have the roadmap that Jim's grandfather provided. If
we stay on that roadmap, we can win.

Speaker 19 (02:15:16):
Yeah, it's instructive.

Speaker 42 (02:15:18):
I think to borrow a page from the British Labor
Party who got their ass kicked in an election a
few years back, their equivalent of the Blue Wall electorally
fell and they said, look, we're sorry, we failed to
communicate and here and connect to the economic concerns that

(02:15:40):
so many of you have that turned against labor and
voted for the other guy as in desperation, and we're
going to change our party so we can change our
country and win back your confidence and then they came
roaring back before our time runs out. It would be
I would be remiss if I didn't note that Nancy
Pelosi grew a speaker of all time. Announced her retirement

(02:16:03):
today as I look over the rose colored dusk here
in Baltimore, Maryland, Land of the Free, Home of the Brave,
and I can see right over there her childhood neighborhood
where she was baptized at Saint Leo's Church and raised
and used to go after school and she'd greet people

(02:16:23):
on the ground floor office that was her father's I
think insurance office. It became a constituent service office, and
she would greet people there after school. Is her job
while she's doing her homework, who had trouble paying their bills,
trouble paying their heat, trouble making ends meet, trouble getting
a job, trouble putting food on the table, and their
concerns became hers because they were her father's and he

(02:16:46):
taught her that. So I just consider myself very lucky
and very blessed that I have had that I served
at the same time as Nancy Pelosi. It's a rare,
you know, legislative who can hold the center of her
caucus and also be the tip of the spear and

(02:17:06):
driving them forward. And I just think it's important we
note this milestone today as she opens up a new
chapter surrounded, no doubt by grandkids and you know, a
lot of happy years in front of her in this
grandmother chapter, which I know she also loves so dearly, no.

Speaker 17 (02:17:25):
Doubt, And I'm really glad that you gave us perspectives.
I wanted to ask you about that. I'm going to
ask Jim too, because I know he's close to the family.
And we're hoping to get Nancy Pelosi on this show,
particularly now that we're broadcasting live in California and we're
on tape delay in her home city of San Francisco.
She always always remains tied to your great city of Baltimore, though,

(02:17:49):
and you know she she had a very interesting moment
when the Ravens played the Niners a few years ago
in thirteen and she and you know both her where
she grew up on one hand and where she lives
in the Ravens uh beat the Nighters in that Super
Bowl where the two Harvard brothers faced off against each

(02:18:11):
other as well.

Speaker 19 (02:18:12):
That was a great game.

Speaker 42 (02:18:14):
That was that was the game where somebody kicked out
the plug in the middle of the.

Speaker 17 (02:18:18):
Yes, yes, our friends, I don't believe in in actually
you know, doing the right thing and government Republican governor
back then, I think.

Speaker 42 (02:18:28):
But anyways, point Nancy, Nancy Pelosi kindly came to both
of my inaugurations as governor, made the time to do that,
and for all of her all of her toughness, she
always brought it back sometimes and in kind of comical
ways to it being about the children and right. And
I think that's another important lesson. I mean, we we

(02:18:51):
tend to underestimate the sort of images that people automatically
go to when we say phrases like our parents and
grandparents or phrases like our children and grandchildren. Empathy is
the greatness of the American people. And we had a
good night the other night because you know, different candidates,

(02:19:12):
different spectrums, different from different parts of the political spectrum,
and yet they spoke to and heard the concerns of
people they they were among and with us, and the
people said, yeah, I'm for you, this is not what
I voted for. This train sounded like it's rattling off
off the track. So so anybody.

Speaker 17 (02:19:35):
No, no, I mean I'm really glad, and you know,
you know, I can sense it in your voice and
looking at it in the video we're talking with former
Social Security commissioner under the Biden administration, former Baltimore mayor.
You can hear the pride and feel it. And of
course former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley, Democratic candidate for president

(02:19:57):
as well in twenty sixteen, that's when I met him
and became a friend. And it's so great, you know,
nine years later that we still have a chance to talk.
Governor I just did. This is sort of playback on
what you were talking about with Nancy Pelosi. You know
that that thread line of you know, constituent services understanding

(02:20:21):
how to get things done in a urban setting. In
your case is a Baltimore mayor in their case is
a daughter of one. To me, that is uh where
Democrats differ from Republicans because again in talking with Agli
are talking with Rep. Clark, the minority whip on the

(02:20:43):
House Democratic side. You know, they're there to help people,
you know, may not be able to communicate it all
the time. They may they may not be perfect, but
the point is is that we have people in Pelosi's shadow,
if you might that understand this and the more we

(02:21:04):
communicate it, which is why I'm so big on Newsome
and so big on Mamdani again because he's born from Ugandha.
He couldn't be president. They can't be president under the
laws we have. Who knows that they'll change, particularly with
the guy we have in Washington now, I don't think
it will. But my feeling is that this is true
blue Democrats, and I really feel that we're, you know,

(02:21:28):
in a point right now that we've met the moment
and we need to take off and be bold and
don't be oh well, get await, worry about thirty second commercials.
You know, the consultants in Washington are telling us, oh, oh,
he gotta be careful. You can't say this, it could
change things. I mean, I'll give you an example of this.
This happened this weekend. We had a guy that did

(02:21:49):
some despicable stuff that is a Democrat and ran as
an attorney general in Virginia. You know, he said some
horrible things and all the Democrats, including Governor Alex Spandberger,
said it. He's still won because he's student all on
what he believed in and you know, that should be
an example. I mean, I'm not telling people that go

(02:22:11):
out and say stupid things like he did. But the
point is is that if you are you know, if
you are passionate about what you believe in and you
think this can help the American people on healthcare and education,
et cetera, et cetera, then you do it and don't
be afraid of like, oh well, I'm going to be
considered progressive. I'm going to be considered a liberal. I mean,

(02:22:32):
Mondannie had millions of dollars attacking him left and right.
He's still got fifty percent of the vote against the
former governor of that state of New York. That to
me is impressive.

Speaker 42 (02:22:44):
Your thoughts, heah, I mean, I don't know. I don't
know Mondnnie like I know Gavin Newsom. I can tell
you Gavin Newsom is a a public servant who believes
in getting things done. And as you said, he meets
the moment. I mean, he didn't go looking for that moment.
I'm sure he would rather that Trump had not chosen

(02:23:07):
to deploy the Marines against US citizens in Los Angeles.
But he stepped up and he spoke very plainly and clearly,
and I think people rallied around him. And I think
even though none of us really likes the you know,
jerrymandering of congressional districts, I think people listen to him
and believe that he was sincere when he told them, Look,

(02:23:29):
we're being disfer enfranchised out of Texas, so we've got
to push back in this super imperfect system of checks
and balances. I do think, Jeff, if we Democrats bear
some blame for the current state of where we find
ourselves as a nation, you know, turn into this strong man, authoritarian, fascist,

(02:23:51):
whatever you want to, you know, call him. I do
believe a part of that is our failure to actually
make government work and to deliver the goods, the goods
of the republic that make a republic worth having. That is,
you know, what the founders called the pursuit of happiness,

(02:24:12):
what you and I would call the ability to raise
our family with dignity and hope for a better future
than even we worked hard to build for ourselves on
the you know, love and labors of our own parents.

Speaker 19 (02:24:23):
So we need to This is an opportunity.

Speaker 32 (02:24:28):
I mean, we.

Speaker 19 (02:24:30):
We tend to be a party that we tend to
be a party that has great.

Speaker 42 (02:24:34):
Policies, but then we fall down on the follow through,
the follow up, and the execution. So when we have
the power, we must do a better job of executing
and delivering. Like I said, you know, the goods of
the republic for the people who work hard, pledge allegiance
and expect their country to have their back.

Speaker 17 (02:24:57):
Talking with Martin O'Malley, and I know you don't want
me saying this about you, Governor, but you would have
made an incredible DNC chairman and got president too. But
all right, we're we're looking to get Ken Martin on
the program, and we believe after this past Tuesday, he
should deserve a lot of credit for what he has

(02:25:18):
been able to put together, and I'm all for it.
I just would have said that, I think we have
heard over the last few weeks, Governor, the quality and
the understanding of real politique and also the idea of
following the FDR roadmass. So I just want to say
that we're gonna be talking with FDR's grandson, Jim Roosevelt,

(02:25:40):
and of course will be continue to be joined until
the top of the hour by our good friend Governor O'Malley.
I want to get a little bit into Social Security
with you, governor, because to me, when you hear the
governor or, you hear our friendly blackman talk about federal
government workers, and when I asked her, I said, don't
they feel jaded because they're angry? It's not jaded, that's understatement.

(02:26:03):
We need to get people who work for this government
to feel that we have their back, and Democrats need
to show that because Republicans don't care. I mean obviously,
you know they're out having parties, great Gatsby style and
everything else. And I feel that, you know, the Social
Security connects to that. The people they survive on this

(02:26:27):
and you know it's outrageous and they're basically destroying the
infrastructure around it, which you have talked to us about.

Speaker 19 (02:26:36):
Go ahead, yeah, yeah, it is social Security? Is they
ever green?

Speaker 42 (02:26:40):
Worry for seventy one million Americans who are in right
now an active beneficiary pay status. And it should also
be a great concern to younger people too, because if
Donald Trump succeeds and liquidating it, changing it, sunsetting it

(02:27:00):
as his new Labor secretary, or rather Bureau of Labor Statistics,
guys said frequently, I mean, it's younger people that have
a lot to lose. Not only are they short of
receiving their benefits that they earned, but they might also
have their grandparents moving in and their basement at the
same time. They've already and they've already paid in. So look,

(02:27:22):
here's the good news on Social Security because it is
such a popular program across all Democrats, Independence Republicans. Eighty
percent of people want us to make Social Security stronger
and better for not only to hear in the now,
but for the future, and make sure we shore up
its ability to pay one hundred percent of benefits for
the long future, which we can do. It's a totally

(02:27:43):
solvable problem. But instead what we saw in the second
Trump administration, which kind of surprised me, because he had
fought Democrats to even on the question of who do
you trust most to protect Social Security? So and yet
when he came in, he just started attacking it with
a meat cleaver and the mad dogs of the doze
boys they were. But the good news is this, when

(02:28:08):
the public was alerted and the alarm bells rang and
members of Congress of both parties started roaring back. When
Dose put a whole bunch of field offices on their
lists that they wanted to close up for sale, including
all the regional offices. They made the mistake of putting
a field office in the district of Tom Cole, the
Republican House Appropriations chairman, and also of Robert Adderholt, the

(02:28:35):
chairman of the sub committee that oversees Social Securities appropriations.
And because of that they pulled it back. And now
the new talking point, even though some of these officers
are now closing sporadically because of the financial hardships. But
the truth is they pulled back on that. Another one
that we thought they were going to do. They announced
last month no more paper checks to the half a

(02:28:57):
million people that received those, and then it appears they
pull it appears they pulled back on that. There's a
third regulation that's floating around that if they push it forward, yeah,
it'll knock forty percent of the allowances off of the
disability rolls for people over fifty. So look, man, we
need to stay vigilant. Roosevelt can say more. I beg

(02:29:19):
to hate take your leave there, Jeff, I want to
turn over there.

Speaker 17 (02:29:22):
I want you to stay right there, Governor stay right
you do.

Speaker 32 (02:29:26):
I can't.

Speaker 19 (02:29:27):
I gotta go.

Speaker 17 (02:29:29):
All right, man, we'll see it.

Speaker 12 (02:29:31):
We can.

Speaker 17 (02:29:32):
He give me five minutes just as a crossover. All right, thanks,
you stay right to their governor that that would be fantastic.
We're talking with Governor O'Malley. See, you know, keep pushing folks,
you can, you can get things done. That's the great
Governor O'Malley, former Baltimore mayor two and former Social Security

(02:29:53):
Commission We'll be right back with Jim Roosevelt and the
Governor for a couple of minutes. He you're listening to
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We continue our broadcast here on the Jeff Santu Show.
On the Thursday edition, we've been talking with former Social
Security Commissioner under the Biden administration, former Baltimore mayor, and
former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley. We bring in our good friend,
and it's a unique opportunity two days after this amazing

(02:33:58):
win for Democrats to bring in FDR's grandson, the coachair
of the Rules and Bylaws Committee of the DNC, a
great lawyer at Vero Law here in Boston, and again
a great friend of the program. Our good friend, FDR's grandson,
Jim Roosevelts, is on the line with us. He joins

(02:34:19):
us on video with Governor O'Malley. It's great to see
both of you. I know you've got to go, Governor,
but we'll look forward to trying to get you to
stay just a couple of minutes. Jim, it's great to
have you with us here. We were just talking about

(02:34:39):
the amazing victory the other night and how important it
is to have Democrats in key governor's positions in Virginia,
New Jersey, and of course the great work of the
governor from your birthplace of California, in Gavin Newsom and
how he stood tall to the bully and Donald Trump,

(02:35:04):
and I think began a wave that was really finalized
on Tuesday night with a blue wall that expanded north
to south, east to west. And want to get your
thoughts as the d n C Chair of Rules and
Bylaws that how things have changed. We were all pretty

(02:35:27):
upset and frustrated with what happened last November. A year later,
we're back in the saddle again, mister Roosevelt. Your thoughts.

Speaker 36 (02:35:37):
So, first of all, great to see you, Jeff, and
hear you. Great to hear you and see you. Governor
O'Malley who I like to refer to as Commissioner. Yeah,
I believe this. I'm going to disagree with you on

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one thing, Jeff. I think it was the start of
a wave.

Speaker 18 (02:36:02):
I don't think it finalized where we're going.

Speaker 36 (02:36:05):
I think that what was demonstrated was we learned quickly,
we talked in all three states, and we met it
about the needs of real people and whether it's and
whether it's to be sure they'll get their Social Security
or sure they'll get their food benefits, or sure that

(02:36:27):
they'll have a living wage.

Speaker 18 (02:36:29):
We learned that that's what the conversation that people want
to have.

Speaker 17 (02:36:34):
There's no doubt that's true. And what I what I
meant to say, Jim, is that it finalized on election day,
not so much that it's over, because it's nowhere near over.
We got a lot of work to do. None of
those races.

Speaker 18 (02:36:46):
Fer but I just wanted to be.

Speaker 17 (02:36:51):
Yeah, always getting that be Jim. Okay, so we have
just Governormalley for a few minutes. I want to I
want to get your thoughts, both of you on the
connection that I talked to earlier with the head federal
director of both an Age s CiU and AGE and

(02:37:13):
what she was talking to me about the world that
goes from having waiting in line for a Starbucks drive through,
you know, for a five or six or seven dollars
cup of coffee. As you know, I'm the Dunkin Donuts
guy here, and now they're not waiting in line for

(02:37:36):
an expensive cup of coffee. They're waiting in line for
soup because Donald Trump and the Republicans will control Congress
have shut down this government. And to me, this is outrageous.
And as you know, a member of nig's s CiU,
she said that there is no empathy, you know, from

(02:38:00):
from the Trump folks. And it's it's really hard because
the folks that you know, rely on the government that
they every day go to work for in federal government employees,
you know, they feel that the government has let them down.
And that is to me the sin that as a

(02:38:21):
Catholic that I look at that they don't understand on
the right wing side, and to me, they don't care.

Speaker 35 (02:38:31):
You know.

Speaker 17 (02:38:31):
I was talking with our good friend number three in
the House Democratic Leadership from Sam Bernardino Pete Augliar the
other day and and I said to him, I said,
it doesn't seem like these guys have any empathy. You know,
lot Trump lost it years ago, if he ever had
it to begin with.

Speaker 18 (02:38:52):
His friend Elon said that empathy was a major problem.

Speaker 42 (02:38:55):
Yes, greatest weakness, you said, greatest weakness in the Western mind,
Jimmy greatest weakness on the Western.

Speaker 17 (02:39:02):
Naud talked a little bit about that. I know you
have to run, you know, because this goes right to
the heart of Social Security, because if you don't care
about federal government workers, you're not going to care about
people who are who are not going to vote for you.

Speaker 42 (02:39:18):
Uh, you know, for a long time around that, you know, Yeah,
I frequently quote what you know Jim's paraphrase of Elon
Mosque as I do town halls on Social Security around
the country, And because I think it's very instructive, it's
hard for people to get their heads around how these
guys could go so viciously and recklessly after an agency

(02:39:41):
cutting its staff into a sixty year low, unless they
understand where that philosophy came from. And so if you
believe that empathy is a great weakness in our culture,
you just extrapolate that, if you will, with Elon and
Donald Trump. What they what they believe is is the

(02:40:04):
waste and the inefficiency are people that don't and can't
work in the economy to contribute to their large jass.
And there is no greater act of compassion and caring
for one another. Feed the hungry club, the naked shelter,
the homeless, care for widows and orphans every soul. Then
social Security, that is the promise, and that's why they're

(02:40:28):
going after it so viciously. It's uh, and that's why
the defense of social security is also a very real
way a defense of this Republican what we're about as
a people.

Speaker 19 (02:40:41):
Empathy is uh.

Speaker 42 (02:40:43):
Empathy is what who was a public assals Jimmy that
said that, he's come to believe that empathy is is
what makes us most alive as people. So we shouldn't
apologize for that. And I think Democrats yesterday spoke to
that empathy.

Speaker 32 (02:40:57):
Uh.

Speaker 42 (02:40:58):
The other guys might not care, but we do. And
people need to know you care before they care about
what you have to say. Hey, I've got to bounce's wisdom.

Speaker 43 (02:41:09):
O Governor, Governor of Martin. O'Malley, Okay, it's great to
see you. Let me just add it's it's empathy, but
it's not. It's not just sympathy, it's.

Speaker 36 (02:41:20):
Earned benefits that people have created their own, their own
secure future out of.

Speaker 18 (02:41:27):
And that's what these folks just don't get, no doubt.

Speaker 17 (02:41:31):
Thank you, Governor. Appreciate it very much, you know, jim
I really feel that. Again, I I I know I've
mentioned this to you in the past. But what Gavin
Newsom is doing right now, you know, post November fourth,
is that he's taking his message you know, across the

(02:41:53):
country and and urging his fellow Democratic governors to get
on board here. Uh, you know, Governor Pritzker in Illinois
is looking at it. Governor Moore in Maryland is looking
at it. He mentioned, Governor of Polis in Colorado, and
many others, Governor of New York, you know, to do this,
not because it's a willing, nillly thing to do. And

(02:42:14):
again California is going back in twenty thirty two to
the independent commissioner, independent commission that you know, has provided
these races, you know, unlike the other folks on the
other side, which are basically you know, just striking through
you know, particularly minorities and minority neighborhoods and just kind
of eliminating them, you know, and and putting them to

(02:42:34):
this side or put him in in districts that are
only four African Americans and making it trying to be
very very difficult and basically racist in the process. I
think that you know, Democrats are doing this, and I
give so much credit the very busy life of Jim Roosevelt,

(02:42:56):
and you know they they are doing.

Speaker 13 (02:43:00):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (02:43:00):
You know, I think Newsom is doing the right thing
for for the rest of the Democratic Party. And I
hope that that call is is not an emergency.

Speaker 24 (02:43:13):
Uh.

Speaker 18 (02:43:15):
This is definitely more important.

Speaker 24 (02:43:16):
Uh uh the uh.

Speaker 18 (02:43:20):
But I do think that.

Speaker 36 (02:43:24):
What happened on on Tuesday night was very much worth
Tuesday is worth celebrating. But we can't let up. And
you mentioned the other guy governors following him, following him
from the lead of Governor Newsom. Uh uh and uh,

(02:43:48):
I believe that we uh we see that. You know,
we have an amazing the strong bench of governors. We
tend to forget that when we get in a funk
after we lose the election. But you know, you named
a good list. But look at you know, go north
of Kathy Hokeel, go to Governor Heally, go to Governor

(02:44:09):
Mills in Massachusetts and Maine. The uh, We've got governors
leading the way all across.

Speaker 17 (02:44:18):
The country right go right up the Northwest Corridor in
Washington State and Oregon too. Talking with Jim Roosevelt here
on the Jeff Santo Show. The phone number to join
us eight three three five four five five three three three, Kevin,
you can let me know if we have any callers.
I must tell you, Jim, that there is a real

(02:44:39):
need here to not only not take your foot off
the gas, but to go at issues that some Washington
based consultants. I'll say, if you want to put a
particular category here, Oh, you got to be careful. You
can't be too you can't be too progressive. You know, Mom,
Donnie's gonna say. Something is going to get us all

(02:45:00):
in trouble, Mom Donnie, as as you have talked to
me about. And Jamie Raskin and I don't know if
we have enough time to get the clip to UH
to headquarters to play this, but Jamie Raskin met with
Mom Donnie, and he said, and I'm paraphrasing here that
you know, you call yourself a democratic socialist or whatever

(02:45:22):
you want, but you're doing what FDR did you know?
You're you're helping people housing exactly.

Speaker 18 (02:45:29):
They called FDR a socialist and a communist.

Speaker 17 (02:45:33):
Also, when you.

Speaker 36 (02:45:34):
Have policies that help people rather than rather than owners billionaires,
they call you a communist or a socialist.

Speaker 18 (02:45:44):
They don't they they just don't understand the term.

Speaker 17 (02:45:49):
They don't and they don't understand, you know. You know,
there's a difference you know, between a fascist socialist or
a Stalin social List than there is in a democratic socialist.
The whole word is democratic, that's key, but not you know,
the dictatorship of Trump or of Stalin or of now

(02:46:12):
Putin or of Orobon. You know, it's not an ideological statement.
It's a fact that they don't want opposition and they
will crush opposition. You know, Jim, the other day, we
had our good friend Jim Jerry Austin on and and
Jerry was actually in Hungary during one of the recent

(02:46:34):
elections as Orbon, the dictator, and they would not let
his candidates send out opposition. It was not running against Orbon,
it was running against another parliamentary member. They wouldn't let
this woman, They threatened her. They wouldn't even send out
a newsletter to let them people know where she stood

(02:46:55):
on a lot of different male you know, a direct
mail piece. In other words, that's what dictatorship is. And
to me, Jim, this is why it is so critical,
so critical to get that word out. If we lose
our democracy, you can forget about health care options, you
can forget about education, you can g about everything. So

(02:47:17):
that's why it goes hand in hand. And the obvious
you know, visual of people being taken off the street
in Somerville in our backyard is a perfect example of
that your thoughts.

Speaker 32 (02:47:31):
You know.

Speaker 36 (02:47:33):
A number of the mega Trump officials have held up
Orbon as an example. They actually believe that, They actually
believe that authoritarian is the way to get things done.
We believe that democracy, including what they would call socialism.
I don't call it socialism. Mayor Electrobron not only calls

(02:47:58):
it democratic socialism. We can accept that, but it's really
focusing on things that matter to people. How fast does
the bus go to get.

Speaker 4 (02:48:08):
You to work?

Speaker 36 (02:48:09):
How big a profit is the grocery store making? And
of course do we have universal health care? And we
don't have universal health care if people can't afford the premiums.

Speaker 18 (02:48:23):
And that's what Congress is about.

Speaker 17 (02:48:28):
Yeah, I mean, you know, we we have people who
are in soup lines, as I just talked about, and
these are people who are working for the government, you know,
of the USA. We're talking with Jim Roosevelt here on
the Jeff Santo Show, and I must tell you, Jim,
I think there is a real understanding by a lot

(02:48:54):
of organizations. We talked to our friends at the California
Teachers Association on Tuesday night and our special election coverage
in San Francisco and Los Angeles on KBC and KSFO,
and you know, it's the most powerful union, it's the
biggest union. You can say, whether that's not the power,

(02:49:16):
one of the most powerful. And it's about educators. I
know your daughter is an educator. I know that a
lot of people that that you are close to as
we are here on the show. You know, I've I've
been an adjunct professor and have helped out in other

(02:49:37):
educational areas too, And I just think that that is
really who the Democratic Party is. You know, We're about
helping inform people educate them, and that is something that
I think the Democratic Party can continue to thrive on
if we connect to working class voters, if we connect

(02:49:58):
to people who understand and what is that stake? What
is that stake for this country? And and and make
sure that Democrats tell whether it's federal government workers or
voters who are independents, or other Democrats that are dissatisfied
with with some of the recent results of the Democratic

(02:50:20):
leadership that we have a better way of doing things
and we have your back. I think if you, if
you connect those voters those sayings, voters will respond as
they did on Tuesday.

Speaker 18 (02:50:32):
Night, I completely agree with you.

Speaker 36 (02:50:36):
And I think that if you look at the three
big winners Monday, uh.

Speaker 17 (02:50:44):
Uh and uh uh Merrill and Spamburger.

Speaker 18 (02:50:48):
Sandberger and Cheryl, that's what they did. Also very very relatable.

Speaker 36 (02:50:55):
I think there are people who are.

Speaker 18 (02:51:00):
Off by Mandamie's democratic socialism.

Speaker 36 (02:51:05):
There are people who disagree with with the two state solution,
but he's still relatable to those people. I think that
he got many of them on board. If you look
at the numbers, none of these were narrow victories. I
think they got people on board who didn't agree with
them one hundred percent. And that's how democracy works.

Speaker 17 (02:51:27):
Right. Well, something else in our great researcher and marketing
social media director, a good friend, Rocky, came up with
a number today that nine percent of Mandani's voters were
MAGA voters were people who voted for Donald Trump. Why
because he talked about the economic concerns that they had

(02:51:49):
going into the election, and again, there was a lot
of misinformation going into the twenty twenty four race, we
had the late handover from Biden to Harris. We couldn't
communicate that message. We lost a city like Fall River
because we didn't have the talk radio that we needed
to inform people about this, and people were bamboozled and
you and you basically you know, we're we're lied to,

(02:52:12):
which is typical way of communicating. As one of our
callers says, it's much easier to communicate if you lie
because it's no facts. So that's the that's the easy part.
Illustrations that these are all things.

Speaker 18 (02:52:24):
As you go along and say one thing today and
another thing two hours from now. Well that's easy to talk,
but it doesn't.

Speaker 17 (02:52:34):
Mean anything, doesn't mean before, and it hurts people.

Speaker 36 (02:52:38):
And absolutely does so I do think, and you know,
I do think I may have said to you before.
I believe MAGA voters fall into two categories. One are
the are the those who are either determined to be
billionaires or who are or outright bigots. The other is

(02:53:04):
the people who think they've been left behind and they
seized on MEGA because they heard what they thought needed
to be discussed. And guess what, we always we democrats
and that would include my friends. The Democratic Socialists were
believed in what they wanted to talk about in terms

(02:53:25):
of what they needed for food, housing, clothing, shelter, transportation.
But we didn't talk about it with them. That's why
we that's why we lost by Remember Kamala Harris lost
by one and a half percent. This is not an
about face. Kamala Harris lost by a very small margin.

(02:53:49):
The big lie immediately began afterwards. It was rigged, but
we had a landslide. You know, they did not have
a landslide, and it was not rigged. Our people just
did not communicate properly.

Speaker 17 (02:54:05):
That's right, no doubt about it. And that's why we
got to change and we got to continue. Uh And
here on the Jeff Santo Show, we look to expand
you know, in the coming weeks and months as well. Uh, Jim,
I want to ask you a little bit about before
we end this interview, I feel like there is uh

(02:54:26):
an excitement at the younger level, the gen Z's and
general wise. Everybody talked about, oh, well, you know, how
are we going to get them back? Well, they came
back in massive numbers. I mean Mondani had you know,
hundreds of thousands of them, and and you know, and
I saw people in line in California, also very young,

(02:54:48):
you know. I mean, so people have heard the calling cry.
I mean that, and they've seen it. I mean, you know,
people get picked up. You know, we're not We're not
picking up as awful as this sounds, you know, people
in their eighties and nineties. We're picking up twenty two
year olds, We're picking up there.

Speaker 36 (02:55:05):
They came back for voting on a rather esoteric proposition
on the ballot. That shows you that they're paying attention.
They're smart, they realize it makes a difference who represents
them in Washington. And I think you mentioned a few
minutes ago, Jeff, that the way this is written, it
goes back to the Independent Commission the next time redistricting

(02:55:29):
is done as a result of the census, which is
the only time it ever ought to be done, by
the way. But that's because this time people immediately saw
that the MAGA folks had distorted the process, distorted democracy.

(02:55:49):
They went off cycle to make a change in districting
just to fit, just to fit lines that would elect
Maca folks, including the lines that would not elect representatives
who reflected their communities. I remember another time when this

(02:56:15):
was done, changing district lines not for voting but for
public schools. And it was Louise da Hicks here in Boston.

Speaker 18 (02:56:25):
Every summer she.

Speaker 36 (02:56:26):
Would have the Boston School Committee vote to adjust to
the district lines. If a minority family had moved one
block over, they would change the district lines to keep
the minority family out of a so.

Speaker 18 (02:56:41):
Called white school.

Speaker 36 (02:56:43):
That's what the heroic Joe Monkley did when he had
to briefly leave the Democratic Party and run as an
independent to defeat her in the general election, and then
he went on to be a great.

Speaker 18 (02:56:57):
Leader in the US House of Representatives.

Speaker 17 (02:57:01):
You got to get a courthouse there for that reason.

Speaker 36 (02:57:03):
You got to deal with, Yes, you've got to deal
with that, with the tactics of the other side, and
you've got to basically help smart them.

Speaker 17 (02:57:13):
You do, and you know, and that's that's the great
thing that you know that Newsom did because you know,
not only did did he fight back and push back?
Not on my watch. You know, mister Trump, don't bully
me because I'm gonna I'm gonna push back, And he
did in a non violent, peaceful way, and he continued
to sort of gnaw at him online through Twitter and

(02:57:34):
everything else, and you know, and and this get under
his skin and that's why he's calling his rig and
all this other nonsense that Trump is trying to do.
And you know, uh, as as Biddy have said, you could,
you could, you can try to sue and all you want.
But the fact is, I think he's zero for five
and he's gonna be zero for six, uh very soon
in the lawsuits. So I don't care what they do.

(02:57:55):
So this is, this is, this is why you know,
I'm a big fan. You know, we'll see what happens
three years away from the twenty twenty eight election. Right now,
I think he's the favorite newsom is to be the
next president in our nominee. But wats can watch can
change and that process final question? Yere you go, I'm

(02:58:16):
not asking you yet. We've gotta we've got a couple
of years.

Speaker 18 (02:58:20):
You know, your listeners may not that I chair the
Rubles and Bilogs Committee of the d n C.

Speaker 17 (02:58:25):
So I am strict, no, no, no, you gotta be
careful on that one, because you gotta. You got a
job that has to be fair and ballanced, not like
the Fox News that displays that that that tag and
they really are not fair in ballots. It's fair in
that ballance. Jim Rosevelt is so great to have you on,
my friend, and thank you as always for what you

(02:58:48):
do and appreciate you. And we'll talk next Tuesday, I hear,
so look forward to that. Appreciate me all right, Thank you,
thank you, Bye bye. That's Jim ros Else Jeff Santos.
I want to thank Kevin for producing this broadcast. Of course,
a great team led by Freddie down there in Boca,

(02:59:08):
and our great a team on social media marketing, Rocky
Robin and the rest of the game. Folks, keep on
fighting peacefully, I mean it until tomorrow. My name is
Jeff Santos, and right now it's my time to say
I gotta go.

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