KCAA: Jeff Santos (Tue, 28 Oct, 2025)

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Speaker 5 (06:57):
Thank you, Kevin, and good Afternu Americans, and welcome to
the Jeff Santos Show. It is great to be with
you on this Tuesday edition of the Jeff Santo's Program.
We are of course looking forward to a fantastic show
with our great lineup today. It's a Tuesday lineup. That
means that John Nichols leads us off at about three

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for making that happen. So Nichols leads us off. We
then go to Melissa Tomlinson across the country from LA
and New Jersey. She will be talking with us at
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We are gonna be talking baseball with Jerry Austin. Also
gonna be talking a little sports too, and of course politics.
He was the media consultant for Jesse Jackson's eighty eight
campaign run. Of course, he's also been involved and engaged
in a number of major political races, from Caramel Zybron,

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the first African American woman elected post reconstruction, and then
of course Paul Wollstone that amazing out of nowhere victory
in nineteen ninety for Senate in Minnesota. Tragically we lost
him much too early. In the early two thousands, he
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possibly as soon as two thousand and four, but did
not survive that plane crish tragically. And then we'll here
with our good friend John Bussinger at five o'clock Eastern time,
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Stasian rail Link. John will be with us at five
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to six Pacific time. Then we'll replay the John Nichols
interview with those of you who may have missed it.
That'll come up at five thirty Eastern time, then again

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to thirty Pacific. Okay, So a couple of things that
I wanted to point out in this commentary. I think
it's really important that people understand. And we're going to
talk to Greg Pallace hopefully again this week, and try
to get a hold of our friends from the great

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lawyers and journalists that have been involved in covering voter suppression.
And I just think that this is a really major issue.
We see threats from Trump on the Prop fifty if
you heard Gary South yesterday, the great Democrat strategist from
the great state of California. He thinks that Democrats will

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do very well. Most polls show that as well. So
I don't think I'll have that much effect on the
turnout because I think people are going to turn out.
We urge you to do just that come next Tuesday
week from today. But I look at twenty twenty six,
and they don't also play games in both New Jersey

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and Virginia, and the governor's race there, span Berger, of
course in Virginia holds a significant lead. It's closed a
little bit, but still significant, and about a five point
lead for Mikey Cheryl, the Democratic nominee in New Jersey.
But the Republicans are going to do this. Why because

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they do not want the Democrats to have power to
bring down mister Trump. That's what this is all about.
It's protecting the backside of mister Trump. And if they
find a way to sort of mix up the monkey
wrench and throw it into the machinery of the Democratic

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Party and the Democratic candidates, they will do it. Voter
suppression comes in mini shapes and forms. You can intimidate
at the polls you know, I mean, we're bringing out
a whole slew of military and law enforcement issues, particularly
in swing districts where maybe the governor is a Republican.

(12:26):
You saw what Abbot is doing in Texas, you know anything,
you know, he's basically Trump says jump and Abbot says
how high. So this is where we're at. And you know,
the the the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, the Democratic Congressional

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Campaign Committee, and all of the other DGA, the Democratic
Government Association, They're all going to be on alert because
and there other folks that are there because this is
no this is no training wheels exercise. This is the
real thing. And again you go back to what happened

(13:10):
in twenty twenty, mister Trump said to the Secretary of
State raps In perguer rapsen Berger, that's what he calls himself.
But I'm using Greg Pallace's term because he's looked up
the information. And what you're seeing basically is this idea

(13:31):
that however Trump can find votes, which is basically taking
African Americans and Latinos and progresses off the ballot. And
this has been going on for a long time. This
is not Trump. This is going back to two thousand
with the bushes in Florida.

Speaker 19 (13:50):
You know.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
This whole thing about you know, certain last names, African
American names, Washington, Jefferson, and many things like that, and
all of a sudden they ping them and they say, okay,
that's out out the door. This happened in Kansas. There
were a couple of people in Trump's first administration who
were involved in this. And this is really really problematic

(14:16):
because Democrats need to be able to have candidates a
who can inspire the Democratic base, and number two need
to get a large minority output, particularly in the African
American and Latino community. Now on the Latino community, because
of what Ice is doing, because of what is happening

(14:38):
across this country. You know, it's in southern California, it's
in Chicago, Illinois, It's in New York, it's in Boston,
a lot a lot of places, particularly with a large
Latino population. It just seems to me that there needs
to be a counteract to make sure that these voters

(14:58):
have the right voting district. If you can vote by mail,
get them to vote by mail in those states. I
believe that it is an important facet here between now
and next November, to understand the importance of getting the
votes in as soon as you can again by mail

(15:19):
absentee ballot in other states. And I think that it
is really important to understand that there is going to
be a challenge at every step of the way, because
what the Republicans are not about improving your lives. They
are about creating chaos to stop the ninety nine percent

(15:39):
of having more power than the one percent. Of course,
the ninety nine percent is never going to have more power,
you know, than a handful of people, but they will
have some power. With the Republicans and Donald Trump and
all these others is trying to eliminate it. So if
you're going to fight back peacefully, as I keep saying,

(16:03):
you're going to have to do it where the Democratic
Party has people on the ground, not just lawyers, but canvasses,
people who understand the neighborhoods. So you don't ship people
in from say, you know, New York City. If you're
going up to upstate in Rochester, you need people from
the local area. You're not going to be able to

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move people you know who don't understand the local culture.
I'll give you an example back in twenty sixteen. Hillary
Clinton's folks in Pittsburgh, PA. And a good friend of
mine who lives in Pittsburgh, you know, told me this firsthand.
They had the wrong list going door to door. And

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that's a sin, you know, as a Catholic kid here,
that's a sin because if you don't have the right
information and you've got people from outside of Pittsburgh canvassing
those those streets, you're you're you know, you're dead on arrival.
And that is a really really critical part of Pennsylvania

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is the area around Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. And with
that you have an opportunity, in my view, you have
an opportunity to secure swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio
now Ohio because of shared Brown running and Tim Ryan running.

(17:40):
It could be a two for their governor and senator.
You know, there's a whole salui them. We know it
from last time. Arizona, Nevada. They're congressional districts as well
that are there. So all of these issues are are
really really critical and if the Democratic Party doesn't understand
and that they need to invest all as they need

(18:03):
to do and talk radio with people in boots on
the ground. Then you know, there needs to be some
you know, somebody needs to be some talking to. You know,
we'll get into this next week with mel Poindexter. You
know who understands this firsthand as an African American, as
somebody who is there, been there on the streets, understands

(18:24):
that this stuff goes on every day, particularly toward African Americans.
It's happening now to it Asian Americans. We saw what
happened in Georgia. As I said, you know, they asked
for what was it, fourteen thousand votes that they needed,
and they weren't going to find them in thin air.
They were going to find them by taking people off
the voting list. And this is what it was. They

(18:45):
were trying to take with Tino's African Americans a whole
slow of those folks that were off off the ballot initiative.
And this is really an important piece of the puzzle.
And I tell you we are at a point right now,
We're at a point right now where the Democratic Party

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cannot must not you know, look the other way. This
is a very very important issue for Democrats because this
is how they are they are going to be coming
for your votes. They want the power the Republicans do
and Democrats have to show some vigilance and have to
understand where we are in this process. I will also

(19:33):
say that it's important on another level, people and Greg
Palace will tell you this, and again we hope to
talk to him by the end of the week. Know
where your voting area is, if you voted a fire
station or you vote at a school. Those things are important.

Speaker 20 (19:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
If you if you have a state like California does
a lot of vote by mail, or Oregon in Washington
state which I think almost always all vote by mail,
you know, it is really important to understand the deadlines
when you have to get in, most obviously as election day,
but sometimes it's not. So there's a whole slew of
things that are going on and you know, the information

(20:16):
and one of the things we want to do going
forward is to inform voters about their rights, inform voters
about their options absentee mail, you know, same day registration,
all these different things that vary from one state to another.
I mean, I would love to see a reform that

(20:36):
we can have same day voting registration that you know,
you would have it on a Saturday. The elections as
opposed to Tuesday in November. You know, this was done
again for harvest, you know, back in the eighteen hundreds.
You know, this is crazy stuff. We shouldn't be voting
in November when it's cold out with the majority of

(20:59):
the the eastern part of the country and a good
part of the west too. You know, it's it doesn't
make any sense. And not to have it on a holiday,
it depresses the turnout, so you know, and it should
be a national holiday. I mean, after all, it's electing
the president in a democracy. So these are all things

(21:19):
that should be on the table, and I would say
that Democrats should be running on these issues, the issue
of the Supreme Court, the issue of having representations for Washington,
d C. And Puerto Rico. Why is it that you know,
the the the Republicans and Trump, they went after Puerto Rico.

(21:40):
Remember the thing at Madison Square Garden last year, you know,
called it a trash garbage dump, all that stuff about
Puerto Rico. Jennifer Lopez came out and you know, was
horrified by this. You have again every day this goes
on with the s old comments that that Trump talked about,
you know, in major cities led by African American mayors.

(22:04):
These are these this is what it is. So you
trash people of color and then you try to make
it harder for them to go out and vote. There's intimidation,
there's a whole slew of things. So I just think
it's a warning sign. As we are a week away
from an election on November fourth, again, I think the
Democrats are pretty well connected for this election coming up.

(22:28):
You know, it's only a handful of states with major
races at the Pennsylvania Supreme Court races, which is not
getting the same national attention as the governor's race in Virginia,
New Jersey, and of course what's happening in California with
Prop fifty. But you know, there's going to be a
heck of a lot more races for governor, for senator,

(22:49):
for House, and there's going to be, you know, a
lot more chances for you know, hanky panky by the Republicans,
and this cannot happen on the Democratic watch. Right now.
You have to be buttoned down. And I'm really hoping,
you know, we're going to hope to talk to the

(23:10):
leadership of the Democratic Party, you know, in the House
and the Senate hopefully in the coming weeks. And this,
to me is a massive, massive issue. They know it.
People are on the ground, the field operatives of these campaigns,
statewide campaigns and congressional campaigns. They know it. But it's
getting people to understand. You're going to put more money

(23:31):
into it than ever before, because this is one of
the ways that the Trumpies are going to try to
basically make chaos chaos. They love chaos. And I'm not
talking about the old nineteen sixties version of get smart,
you know chaos, right, it's similar. All right, go to

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open up the phones at eight three three five four
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join us. We are also gonna look into a text
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don't want to talk to me, that's fine, I'm not insulted.

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So we'll bring that up over the next couple of
days as well. But right now, let's go to the phones. Kevin,
who do we have on the line at this moment?
All right, let's go to San Francisco and talk to
our good friend Mark in the city by the bay.
Welcome Mark, how are you?

Speaker 19 (24:35):
I'm okay?

Speaker 5 (24:35):
How you doing I'm doing all right. Concerned about next year.
I think we're gonna do well in California, you're a
great state, and of course the state where we're on
in Los Angeles at case AA and San Bernardino. But
and I think we'll also hold off in New Jersey
and and Virginia. You know the threats that is, I

(24:56):
think they'll win, you know, with you know a come margin,
you know, maybe single digits, but still, But I'm worried
about next year, Mark, because you know, they they know
that if the power in Washington changes that Donald Trump
can count his days as an as an effective leader,

(25:17):
he can try do all the things he wants, but
if he's on an impeachment watch, then you know that changes.
What are you thinking, Mark, because I know you're concerned
about the voter suppression issues too.

Speaker 21 (25:29):
Yeah, I mean that that's a bit concern. But I
think the thing that we really need to emphasize is
affordability for the American people, the middle class and poorer.

Speaker 20 (25:44):
Uh.

Speaker 21 (25:45):
This economy that and these policies that Trump and the
Republicans have put in are We're already losing jobs. We're
losing jobs at Amazon, Intel, Microsoft, Meta Target, It goes
on and on. I mean, this economy is it's going
to be in shambles by next year if there isn't

(26:07):
any changes. Now it's not even talking about healthcare, and
you know the cost of food, so we're losing jobs,
prices are going up. You know, this is a catastrophe
for the American people. And I think the Democrats just
start talking about it, because that's what's going to make
people come out to the polls and vote for Democrats,
is if the economy's bad, that's what's going to do it.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
We could talk about well, there's no doubt about that,
and I'm not I'm not saying that the economy isn't
the number one issue, But I just look at the
issue of voter suppression and I think that that has
to be put into play then the Democrats, as I
put on the screen here for those of you who
are watching on the Jeff Santoshow dot com or on YouTube,
is the Dunkin Donuts bag which went up from seven

(26:53):
dollars to fourteen dollars here in Massachusetts. Mark, I agree
with you one hundred percent. All I'm saying is that
the voter suppression issue is something that we need to
worry about because that could be the margin of defeat
or the margin of victory as we move forward here
in the in the election. That's all I'm saying, No, no, and.

Speaker 21 (27:13):
I agree with you. I mean, that's a big concern.
Gavin Newsom is talking about it. We also have to
worry about rulings from the Supreme Court that would affect
minority voters. So yeah, that is a big, big issue.
But I think if if you're a Democrat and you're
running for office, you need to emphasize on what Mendami

(27:38):
has talked about, and that's affordability.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
And I think that I agree with you.

Speaker 19 (27:41):
People are going to feel the crunch.

Speaker 21 (27:43):
They're going to feel the crunch from these policies, There's
no doubt about it. And I think that that's going
to be a big issue. And I think if the
Democrats play their cards right, they can win win the voters.

Speaker 19 (27:56):
Over on that.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
You are so correct. And the economy will be the
always the determinative factor. You know, everybody talks about the
pocketbook issues and so forth, and I think that is
indeed what is at stake. You know, in this election,
the economy will always be the the one issue that
people will take, you know, either a flag and say ye,

(28:19):
I will keep going, or say we got to change
direction as soon as possible because in this case, this
guy's out to lunch with his tarffs and so forth,
and people need to drink their coffee, need to eat
their food, and they don't want to pay through the
nose through it. Thank you so much, Mark. All right,
let's go to Great State of Minnesota and talk to John.

(28:41):
You're next here on the Jeff Santos Show.

Speaker 19 (28:46):
Yeah. I agree with Mark.

Speaker 22 (28:48):
I think that you know, bread and butter issues like healthcare, childcare,
you know, these kinds of things people are are are
motivated by.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Uh.

Speaker 22 (29:03):
And I think that you know, yeah, prices because of
the tariffs, inflation. And also I want to say that
I think it would be a good idea if we
had voting over like a weekend and maybe also on
one you know, like like Saturday, Sunday and Monday or

(29:26):
something like that, so that we can we have to
increase our turnouts.

Speaker 23 (29:34):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
Thank you, John, We'll hold you over. I appreciate it.
We'll be right back with John Nichols, Great State of Wisconsin,
National affairs correspondent for the Nation magazine after this time out.

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live from the South coast here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts,
the folk. I always want to make one thing clear
to our audience. You know, again, I am very much
focused on economic issues. You know, I wouldn't have this
prop here, but I you know, if I didn't do it,

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but I just think that it is important, you know, again,
to to have you know, democrats and organizations that support
them to understand that this is a way in which
the opposition may very well may very well try to
win an election. And there's some history here, but I

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would be insane and tell you that economics is not
going to determine the outcome. That is where we're at,
and that's why we talk about the economic issues every
day on this show. And we talk to somebody who
is a fantastic journalist who is covering economic issues and

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many others. That is the great journalists, the best in
the progressive business. John Nichols, national affairs correspondent for The
Nation magazine, and we welcome from him to our program
right now. Happy Tuesday. John.

Speaker 19 (35:07):
It's pleasure to be it's your brother.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Pleasure to be with you, bro. I I can you
hear me? Okay, can you hear fine? All right? Very good? Okay, yeah, no,
it's it's fantastic to be with you.

Speaker 19 (35:24):
I am.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
Intrigued by your thoughts about what we are seeing in California.
We had on the consultant yesterday Democratic strategist Gray Davis,
Gary South, and he is very, very bullish on the
campaign that Gavin Newsom and kill in California are running

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or could be twenty point win for Gavin Newsom or
something close to that, double digits, we'll say. And if
that's the case, then I think that that kind of
effort by you know, the Californian governor could very easily,

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I think, find its way in other campaigns. Is it's
a copycat culture right by the way, John is joining
us on the streets, so you get all the sounds
of the city behind John.

Speaker 19 (36:22):
That's okay, ark, where Mom Donnie is, Oh you are well,
that makes perfect sense.

Speaker 14 (36:29):
We love that we can't pan out here. Yep, yeah,
we'll get We'll get into Mom Donnie in a few.

Speaker 19 (36:38):
Follow in California closely, and I'll actually be out there
next week.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Fantastic. Well, you know, we look forward to talking to
you from our you know, from California. I know our
friends at casey AA would love to uh would love
to talk to you as well. Am ten fifty San Bernardino,
Greater Los Angeles. So, you know, I think it's an
opportunity for other statewide officeholders, you know, for state statewide referendums.

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I hear that Governor Pritzker is you know, I think
it was Congressman when Robin Kelly is trying to do
something similar in terms of redistricting. You know, I think
it's slow in New York, which I think is also
kind of fascinating because I'm wondering if an election by

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mister mum Donnie may very well, you know, give us
another candidate for governor, a good friend of Mom Donnie,
Attorney General Letitia James, you know, which would be fascinating.
I think she's a little more aggressive on that, probably
like Newsome, probably like Pritzker is going to be, if
all reports are correct, what's your take on this and

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what you're seeing on the ground in New York City.
Besides all those taxis flying by you.

Speaker 19 (38:02):
Not too bad. To be honest, it's pretty good. But
here's here's the bottom line. The California referendum is a
huge deal. It is a defining moment in the pushback
against Trump. And if Gavin Newsom has bet right, if
the referendum produces a big win for fair maps, for maps,

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that that counter what Trump is doing. Recognizing ultimately that
I think we'd all like to have a better system
for drawing maps, and California historically has embraced the concept
of having nonpartisan maps. But in this case things have
gone so far awry. Trump has Like everything else, he's
he's wrecked something and now other people have to clean

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it up. In this case, California is taking the lead
and this is going to instruct other places. There is
the ability to do of veto override or a legislative
override in Ohio where the Republicans are trying to draw
three new seats. I believe you can also do it
in several of the other states where the Republicans are

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attempting to do this. So I think what you're going
to see is two types of referendums. One type is
what you're seeing in California, and that is a redraw, right,
a effort to create some more districts that are either
competitive or potentially could elect some Democrats to offset what's
happening in Texas. The other model is to do an

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override referendum, which says to the Republicans when they mess
things up, you know, when when they have drawn maps
that are at Trump's behest, not on their own behest,
that then the voters can override it. Right, they can say, no,
you can't do that. We're not going to let you

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do that. We're going to keep the maps that we've
got to two different models. What's happening in California and
what is happening in uh was potentially happening in some
other states. End result is when you add it all up,
you have the potential that uh, you know, Trump's efforts
to basically from the White House and that's what I

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mean by messing this up, right, I it's not Republicans.
Democrats have always kind of drawn favorable maps for themselves
at the state level. You know, if they have the
ability to do. So we recognize that that's history. But
if you've got the White House ordering people in the
states to redraw their maps with an eye toward benefiting

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you know, the White House, not the voters of that state,
that's a different game. And that's what we're really talking
about here. So two different models to deal with this
bottom line is I think we could end up in
a situation where Trump, instead of you know, shifting the
whole map, ends up with only a handful of states
that where he's increased the Republican seat number and as

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a result, will have a relatively relatively is a keyword,
fair election in six Now that's with all the the
Gerrymany that came first, all the other problems. You know,
nobody's calling this perfection, but the Trump intervention will have
been thwarted, at least in large parts. So that's a

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big deal and we should keep that in mind. Now
you asked about New York. New York is another state
where potentially there could be some redrawing. We don't you
don't know where that's going to end up. It's a
hard it's a very heavy lift in New York and
maybe one that will not occur as regards the mayor race,
it's a really dynamic race. Mamdani continues to lead by

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most of the polls, but Cuomo, his opponent, his primary,
his main opponent, the guy he beat in the primary,
is you know, at least keeping it competitive. And so
this is going to be an exciting week in New York,
a week where we are going to see some real
effort to define, you know, kind of where our politics
is headed, not just in New York, but naturally because
of the symbolic importance of mam Donnie's campaign as regards

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the governorship of New York. I don't think this James
is going to run for governor next year. I think
she will run for reelection as attorney general. And both
she and Hokal are now actively backing Mom Donnie. In fact,
they both appeared with him at a rally on Sunday.
Hokal's getting a lot of pressure to accept tax increases

(42:32):
on the rich, which she's been attle resistant to, and
so there's plenty of folks who would like to see
her move on some issues. But unlike, as an example,
you know, some Democratic leaders, she is backing Mom Donnie
and actually appearing at his rallies. So I think that
that you're seeing, you know, when all of a sudden done,
probably a relative level of state based democratic unity. Still

(42:55):
a question about some of the national Dems as regards Donnie,
But that's the baseline from what I see here. And
I can tell you this. If Mom Donnie wins, that
is a huge pushback against Donald Trump. That is, the
voters of New York City haven't been told again and
again and again by Donald Trump that he will try

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to punish them. If Mom Donnie wins, saying we're not
going to be bullied, we are not going to accept
your pressure. We're going to vote for who we want
and who we believe is on our side. If that happens,
that's very significant. If it comes in combination with a
big win for Newsom strategy in California and significant wins

(43:40):
for Democrats in New Jersey and Virginia, next Tuesday could
be a huge day in our politics. And what makes
it huge is the fact that Donald Trump could and
this is nothing set in stone, but could suffer setbacks,
you know, all across the country, in a variety of
different states and cities. That it's very, very significant. You

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know that basically because Americans are upset with what.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
This president is doing, no doubt, and I think it
could be a fantastic day for the Democrats and they
have to take advantage of it. On November fifth, you know,
you could win two governorships, and in a place like
Virginia that's still no I understand the November fourth selection,

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but the day after, what I'm saying is that I
think you need you need to be able to sort
of get that momentum and then say this is who
we are and this is what we're going to do
for the next year. And I think you take advantage
of that. And if you're the DNC and mister Martin, uh,
you want to be able to package that as a
you know, this is how we go forward. You know,

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we've seen how you know, Governor Newsom has done it,
We've seen how Mamdani has done it. And you kind
of bring that energy together, you know, on the East
Coast and the West coast, and and I think you
move that agenda forward, you know, and again there's going
to be a lot of different races with you know,
more conservative Democrats in some cities and some some districts.
Oh yeah, and you know and so forth. But I

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think there's something there that we can learn from, and
I hope the Democrats take that and move it forward
the day after And.

Speaker 19 (45:21):
You're exactly right. Yeah, you're exactly right, Jeff. And and
that's precisely the way to look at this. There is
no question that you know, Abigail Stanberger in Virginia is
different than Zorah Mamdani in New York.

Speaker 11 (45:39):
Uh.

Speaker 19 (45:40):
There is a reality that the strategy adopted by Gavin
Newsom in California maybe different than the strategies adopted by
Democrats in some other places. But if we look at
the kind of touch on the baseline, the baseline is,

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are people motivated to come to the polls, perhaps insignificant numbers,
maybe even in unexpectedly high numbers, to vote against Republicans
and to vote against what Donald Trump is doing. If
that is the case, and we see it across the
country in different places, in different approaches, different strategies, then

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the lesson for twenty twenty six is huge. And that
lesson is that Democrats should on the ground figure out
their best strategies, to figure out their best approaches. But
at the end of the day, if they do that,
they have a tremendous potential to win, and if they win,
then that victory is the way, you know, I don't

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have to explain it beyond that. This is where we
begin to check and balance Donald Trump, who in his
first many months now as president has been unchecked and
unbalanced because he hasn't had a House or a Senate
or a Supreme Court that was willing to push back against.
Suddenly we might have significant pushback. And so that's where

(47:11):
we watched next Tuesday with great interest. And then you're
exactly right. On the next day, on Wednesday, we watch
how Democrats respond. Do they take the lesson in well,
do they learn from it, and do they create a
politics that is prepared to, you know, kind of reassert
democracy in this country at all sorts of different levels

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and in all sorts of different places.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Talking with John Nichols here on the Jeff Santo Show.
The phone number to join on is eight three three
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from Wisconsin, although he's in New York today, where of

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course you grew up. John D. In Minnesota next go tohead.

Speaker 22 (48:03):
Yeah, I wanted to say, I think there's a lot
of you know, change in what's going on with the electorate,
and I think that I think we could see, you know,
the Democrats swept in in twenty twenty six, considering you know,

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Donald's popularity, in the administration's popularity, even despite their voter
suppression moves. I mean, we, of course, we need to
be cognizant of that and you know, try our best
to counter it. But on the other hand, I think
the electorate may change their vote completely.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
So I think that's an interesting perspective. Yeah, no, no,
John D. Thank you, John Nichols, your thoughts on that.
And I want to add something to it as well.
Just a report here off of the MSNBC ticker that
Amazon will lay off fourteen thousand employees this year. There
are a lot of people in the state where I

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live and across this country you know, that work at
low paying but jobs that that are there at Amazon.
That's a that's a killer for a lot of people,
you know in this country. Your thoughts on that news,
but also what John D is saying, well.

Speaker 19 (49:33):
I hope you can hear me. Well, some of your
your connection. There was a little shaky Oh okay, if
you're hearing me, well, now you how much better?

Speaker 5 (49:43):
So that's okay, go right ahead.

Speaker 19 (49:45):
But what I will say is it the Amazon layoffs
come as no surprise. This is the fundamental reality of
the moment we are in. We are going to see
warehouses which have been a key employment source for a
lot of people, in many cases folks who've lost jobs
and manufacturing in other areas. We are going to see

(50:05):
warehouses experiencing devastating levels of layoffs. Why because with AI
and robotification, you are going to end up in a
situation where jobs that were historically done by human beings
are going to be done by robots, and they are
going to be done in combination with AI. We need

(50:27):
to understand that that is a challenge that is coming
our way. It's going to be huge. And here's how
it relates to politics. A simple question. Do you want
the people in power to be those with a history
of seeking to maximize profits for multinational corporations and to
enrich the billionaires that own those corporations, or do you

(50:49):
want people who have historically been aligned with unions and
who want to make sure that there are protections for
working class folks. I mean, that is the bottom line
of our politics going forward in this country. And it
is a huge, huge issue, not one that we should
casually diminish, because the fact of the matter is we've

(51:12):
made a horrible mistake in this country. We are, you know,
almost a decade behind in dealing with the AI Revolution,
and Germany has been all over it for the better
part of a decade. Other countries around the world are
are way ahead of the curve. We have had successive
administrations that have neglected this issue. Biden tried to look

(51:34):
at it a little bit. Obama actually looked at it
pretty well at one point. But the fact of the
matter is that because of divided governance, we never really
got any place. Trump is actually sending exactly the wrong signals,
which is to empower the corporations and the billionaires to
an even higher level and results. Don't let anyone lie
to you and tell you that you know, AI is

(51:56):
a you know, it's a fluid issue, or it's one
that could go one way or the other, or maybe
you'll lose some jobs but you'll gain some in other places.
No one in the world who knows anything about AI
would say that is true. The reality is AI is
going to affect our work at every level and in

(52:19):
every place. And if you don't have governance that is
concerned about making sure that when these changes are made,
the working class are kept whole.

Speaker 20 (52:30):
I e.

Speaker 19 (52:31):
That we have strategies for maybe shortening the work week,
as Germany is doing that, we have strategies for creating
new systems for deliveries, as you're seeing done in not
just Germany but Spain and other places around the world.
If you don't, if you're not looking at how to
shape an AI defined the economy in favor of workers,

(52:53):
then you're going to screw workers over. It's as simple
as that. And so I cannot emphathy if somebody has
written books about these issues. People really desperately need to
understand that their political choices in the next cycles in
twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six will define in

(53:15):
many many cases whether they have jobs and the quality
of those jobs. I mean, that's what's at stake, and
I can't I can't be any more blunt about it.
This is this is absolutely a critical moment, and you know,
and it is going to affect our politics, and if
Democrats talk about it in the right way, in the
way by the way that Rocana, the congressman from California does,

(53:38):
and a handful of others. If they wrap their head
around this and really do address these issues in the
right way, I think they have potential to win. Not
as the anti tlump party, which is one thing, and
that's there's you know, power in that, but as parity
of the future, the party that says, you know, look,
we know how to do an economy. It's going to

(54:00):
work for the great mass of people. Give us power
and we will make this thing work. And don't give
us power. And if there's an absolute guarantee, people will
get harmed and then be harmed economically in fundamental ways.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
Yet, well, there's no doubt, which is.

Speaker 19 (54:17):
A big deal. Yeah. No, just one last thing, which
is a big deal. There's a reason why Mamdani is popular,
and that is because he is talking about using the
power of government to serve the great mass of people
when you're up against an ai revolution and all sorts
of other challenges. That's what the real fight is about.

(54:41):
Does government intervene to make sure that policies temper the
actions of both the national corporations, especially the tech corporations
in the Silicon Valley. Does government do that or does
it stand to the side. Trump and the Republicans want
government to stand to the.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
Side, or even free market.

Speaker 19 (55:02):
Do whatever you want with the company. Yeah, yeah, And
I'll tell you if it's made clearly, if it's made
in a way that people understand, the potential is great.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Yeah, well I would. I will just add to that
a couple of things. It's strong. The strong and wrong
effort always beats weak and right. So your your position
is incredibly important, but it's how it's delivered. You can't
be you know, confused and say, well, you know this
is uh, this is something that you got to really

(55:37):
study and you know you can't you can't understand what
what the AI people are telling you. You have to
be able to educate and communicate at the same time,
you know, at the at the end, right, you know
what journalism You know professors have told you, John Nichols,
because you're a great one. You know, you've got to
go for the sixth grade reading level, you know, the

(55:57):
newspaper reading level. Right, Uh, And I think that's important
to pep.

Speaker 19 (56:02):
Don't let Yeah, don't let democrats lie to you. Not
all democrats, most democrats that are on the right side
of this stuff. But you'll get him a core occasional
corporate democrat who will tell you, oh, yeah, it's all
going to be great. Right, we can find a proper
balance on all this. If somebody says that you're run

(56:24):
screaming from the room, because the fact of the matter
is choices have to be made, that's right, choice made.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
Hey, I want to get something that could actually be.

Speaker 19 (56:35):
Or not.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Yeah, great, great point. One of the races that may
be appearing here on the side of the workers or
more of a corporate democrat is in Maine Platner race
versus Mills in the Democratic primary get to go against Collins.
Pulls show that fifteen points or so uh for Platinir
ahead of Collins, and Mills, who's under fifty approval rating

(56:59):
is about neck and one point lead in one poll.
Your quick thoughts on that again about two minutes. The
thought of the areas that I think that Platner has
a lot more solid support than the mainstream media and
Washington operatives are actually trying to convince people outside of Maine.

Speaker 19 (57:21):
Your quick thoughts, Sure, I've spent a lot of time
in Maine, and and I've seen Mills and Platner the
work that they do. Look, there's a lot of good
stuff to be said about Jenials. You know, she has
been an able governor in a lot of ways. Oh yeah,
And I'm not going to beat up on her or
you know, I think that she's got things that are

(57:42):
positive about her. Sure, However, I.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
Will tell you now, I'd vote for her in any
other race.

Speaker 19 (57:50):
Over Collins, for sure. I'm sure you wish. But here's
what I will tell you. What Graham Platner has done
in Maine is jaw dropping. He is going out every night,
every single night, to towns of two thousand to three thousand,
and he's attracting crowds of five, six, seven, eight hundred people.

(58:10):
I mean literal measurable portions of the population in some places,
the number of people that show up to see him.
If it was New York City, that'd be a million folks,
you know, proportionally, right, I mean his what's happening with
Platner in small town rural main is that he is
connecting with people, a lot of whom must have voted

(58:31):
for Donald Trump and a lot of whom voted for
Bernie Sanders and a lot of whom maybe never voted,
and he is bringing him in on a very progressive,
very aggressive message, and Democrats in Washington get uncomfortable with
that because they like our politics to be very predictable,
very gentle, very soft. Well grants, he's got a background

(58:57):
that's controversial at times, and he's acknowledged that. You know
what I mean, no doubt some things, but Democrats much
smart what's going on.

Speaker 5 (59:08):
But you knows, as our old friend Alex Siswald, who
was on MSNBC today said, you know the gap between
what he's seeing with his own eyes and the gap
what people in Washington are telling them. It is like
night and day. And you were there, John Nichols, you
know it. Oh yeah, hey you have safe travels. Yeah

(59:29):
we are you brother, Hey, thank you John, John Nichols
the best always you two save travels. My friend enjoyed
New York City. We'll be right back. We're going to
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Alright, folks. A little storm and down in Florida has
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be in California. I used to live there a number
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future too. All right, let's go to South Jersey, where
it's not as warm, but it's still a great city,
a great state, I should say. And that's where we
find our good friend Melissa Tomlinson, executive director of Badass Teachers,

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and she joins us via video from her automobile there
en route to some meeting for the great educators of
New Jersey. Melissa, great to have you. Sorry, we had
a little bit of internet scramble there, but we're back.

Speaker 27 (01:10:04):
Glad to see you're back. Jeffathough, we are definitely lacking
the sunshine here today, yes, I can see.

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
Unfortunately, we are too. Actually, so it's in the same
boat in the northeast. Hey, I wanted to talk to
you a little bit. We just talked to John Nichols,
who's in New York City today with the Mamdani race,
and you know, he liked the consultant from California Democratic strategist,
Gary South that worked in Great Davis's campaign and three

(01:10:32):
statewide races victorious for Davis that he ran. I think
there's a real positive impact coming from Newsom on the
West coast to Mandani in the East coast. Now, you know,
we have concerns about the two governors races. They haven't

(01:10:52):
had the inspiration that you get from Mamdani and newso
on on the West coast. But it seems to me that,
you know, the polls are at least holding steady, you know,
for both spam Berger in Virginia and of course Mikey
Cheryl there in New Jersey. Do you sense that there

(01:11:16):
is you know, growing optimism that not only is this
going to be a big day for Democrats, but it's
going to bring out people that maybe the turnout is
going to be even bigger than twenty four, which is
a presidential campaign. What's your thoughts on that from what
you're seeing on the ground.

Speaker 27 (01:11:36):
Yeah, I think you kind of summarized it really well.
We're definitely seeing a lot more activity around voting and
around engagement and getting out the vote. More people canvassing,
making the phone calls, doing phone banking, talking to their
friends and their neighbors and their family members, which is
why we're having such high numbers already in the polls,

(01:11:58):
and early voting only opened up up Sunday, so you know,
we're still in the early stages and we see the
numbers definitely higher.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
Yeah, I would I would tell you that my microphone
does a little twirl. I would tell you that I
think there is you know, people are are concerned about
their democracy. Their concern is you know, I bring up
my Duncan Donuts coffee again that we talked about last week.

(01:12:31):
You know, the prices of just you know, average necessities
that people have, coffee, eggs, whatever, your staples are mainly
for a lot of Americans the same. And I think
that people are, you know, they want change and if
they see this as an election that you know, you

(01:12:52):
go from seven dollars a year at the SNS in
Massachusetts to fourteen dollars in one week. Then something is
very very wrong in Denmark, quote unquote, And I think
that that is you know, saying, all right, well, and
the Democratic Party is maybe doing their jobs in these states,
and the progressive movement too, you know, led by Bernie

(01:13:13):
Sanders and others, and maybe that is what is bringing
up these numbers, which is fantastic to see people engaged
in their democracy, you know, the seven million that showed up,
you know on No King's Day events a couple of
saturdays ago. Do you do you think that's it's what

(01:13:36):
it is that they are realizing finally that we're in
in a real big crisis here. Is that what you're
you're sensing?

Speaker 14 (01:13:47):
Yeah, yeah, I do.

Speaker 27 (01:13:50):
I think the Republican Party went for a strategy of
let's see if we can shut down the government, shut
down benefits and blame the Democrats. And people are not
falling for that anymore, right, they know, at the end
of the day, it's the Democrats that always want to

(01:14:12):
put money towards the benefits that we receive and make
sure these programs are in place. And now I see
that the Republican Party is willing to basically sacrifice potentially
my life in order to create this narrative that Democrats
are bad and you know what, I can no longer

(01:14:33):
stand to have them in office because they're actually not
going to be the ones that are going to vote
for my interests.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
Yeah, I could agree with you more. And I sense this,
you know, every every segment, every every journalist or advocate
I talk to, and I've seen this over the last
few days, that this is this is now coming to
a crescendo, and I think it's great news for Democrats
and not very good news for Republicans. And that's that's

(01:15:03):
something that gives me a big smile. The phone number
to join is eight three three five four five five
three three three is the phone number to communicate with
us on again. I'm thinking, Melissa, that there is a
lot of people, you know, you know, talk about you know,

(01:15:25):
the you can use the internet to communicate with people,
you can use Facebook, and we we love all of that.
But I think also that people are going home from school,
going home from work and saying, you know, I just
talked to my friend who works at Amazon. They're laying
people off left and right. You know that that person
who worked at Amazon's warehouse, you know, came from another

(01:15:46):
job that a couple of years ago laid him or
her off. And I think all of a sudden, that
is sort of you know, the word of mouse saying, look,
you know, you may not have a job to come
next week. You may not have a job because the defunding.
I mean, you talked about this with us last week.
You know, there is no room for new programs. There's
no room for existing programs. And that is both scary

(01:16:10):
and the reality on the ground, not only New Jersey
but across the other forty nine states.

Speaker 14 (01:16:18):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 27 (01:16:19):
And I think that's something that a lot of political
strategists have not kind of grappled with yet, is that
we're reaching a time period where people are starved for
personal relationships. Right They want to sit down and have
the conversation and build a relationship with their neighbor, with

(01:16:39):
a co worker. And so when you think of okay,
we're facing a government shutdown, communities are mobilizing in order
to provide resources. I mean, I have a call Thursday
night to see what we can do in my county
with some leaders, and that gives us the opportunity to
have that conversation why are we at this time period,

(01:17:03):
and what are we going to do about it?

Speaker 20 (01:17:04):
Right?

Speaker 27 (01:17:05):
And that first step immediately is Okay, well, we need
to vote, and we need to get our friends and
our neighbors up to vote. But I think it goes
a little bit deeper than.

Speaker 23 (01:17:14):
That, in the fact that.

Speaker 27 (01:17:18):
We went through this before with COVID and we learned
a lot of lessons, and we learned that we need
to build sustainable networks in terms of supporting the community.
And I think intentionally that's going to be done a
lot more so that we build a deeper understanding of
what we really need in a community to be able
to survive and the political connections and implications of that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
We are chatting with our good friend Melissa Tomlinson Badass
Teachers here on the Jeff Santo Show, you know, bringing
our good friend John from Minnesota in a couple of minutes, who,
of course his sister just recently retired from a teaching
position public schools in New Mexico. And I want to

(01:18:03):
get to the importance though of your profession in getting
through these very difficult times. You know, we started to
show off talking about voter suppression and how that's so
real in so many communities, particularly in the South and
particularly where Republicans hold the governorships. You know, a place
like Texas, it's just out of control. You look at

(01:18:28):
the economic concerns, all of these things come you know down,
you know, with a slam dunk on the heads of
teachers because they're dealing with unemployment at home, they're dealing
with you know, people who feel that they're they're not
being heard. They can't you know, find an easy way
to vote. They're there are people who are concerned about

(01:18:49):
their healthcare costs and where does that go. That's a
big issue with Medicare cuts, with the ACA cuts, all
of these things, you know, a big part of the shutdow.
And I think that that is not really being recognized either,
not not just by the consultants, but by people who
whole elective office at all. You guys are on the

(01:19:12):
front lines yourself, and nurses have always been the backbone
of the country. And I look at your profession because
you know, you're seeing this and you're having to react
to you know, the fourteen year old whose dad just
lost her job, or you know, the healthcare cuts and

(01:19:32):
how that is. You know, her mother is is really concerned,
you know, how am I going to take care of this?
And I think that's what's the disconnect, And I'm just wondering,
you know what kind of examples you're seeing, you know,
since the last say two months or.

Speaker 27 (01:19:48):
So, we're immediately like it's a parent when you see
the number of children that are going in for the
tree breakfast in the morning, those numbers have been steadily
increasing throughout this school year. Today I notice the most
that I've ever seen in the cafeteria. So there's there's that,

(01:20:10):
like that immediate physical if you recognize why they're increasing,
you know what's going on. But it also you know,
comes down to kind of manifesting as behaviors in the classroom.
You know, adults try to shield children, they try not
to have you know, tough conversations in front of them,

(01:20:32):
talk about, you know, we don't have food for the week,
or you know, the electric bills not paid. But the
stress that the adults feel still comes out right, It's
still present in the home and the children feel that
and then they become stressed out and then they come
to school and they're not ready to learn. They are

(01:20:52):
they know something's wrong. So it affects their ability to
pay attention to engage in the lesson, and you know,
they get frustrated because they're not learning what they're supposed
to and the teachers getting frustrated with them, and it
just starts to escalate from there. So we're definitely seeing
a lot more disciplinary referrals in our school already too,

(01:21:13):
no doubt.

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
All right, I want to take a little change in
the in the call it. I was going to go
to John, but I know Tom is about to move
on to an appointment he has to go to, so
I'll bring him in now. Kevin, let's go to Tom
in Los Angeles. You are next with Melissa Thomason. God ahead, long.

Speaker 19 (01:21:38):
Long.

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
I wish they would do a book a Legacy of Teachers,
because a lot of the people that went into teaching,
we're families of families, and now a lot of those
kids are not going into teaching even though their parents
were teachers. But Jeff, I want to talk about was one,
We need to get money out of politics. I'm going

(01:22:02):
to say that every single day.

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
That's just.

Speaker 8 (01:22:08):
And that we the people ultimately are the government. Here's
what I was wondering about. You know, we talked about bipartisan,
and I think bipartisan when it comes to the Congress
means that both parties are bought off by the same donors.
That's just my belief. But what I was thinking about
bipartisan is I would think we could find by partisanship

(01:22:28):
in terms of getting money out of politics. I would
think that we could find bipartisanship when it comes to
when the government is shut down that none of the
Congress people get paid. These would be some things that
we could actually all agree upon it. I'm also getting

(01:22:49):
to the point where I know we are representative democracy,
but I'm getting to a point where I'm thinking, and say,
know that all the polls, seventy percent of the people
want medicare for all, as Bernie would do. We know that,
you know, eighty percent of the people are for gun safety,

(01:23:11):
not gun controlled, because they shouldn't. Nobody wants to be
controlled by anybody, So that's a horrible messaging. It's gun safety. Third,
everyone wants a good public education system. So you know,
every day we are about poll poll polled polls. And
of course the Congress does not go according to what
the American people want because there's an oligarchy going on that.

(01:23:35):
I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking, you know,
we all have computers, we all have some type of device.
Let us vote on what it is that we want,
and then maybe the representatives can figure out the parts
of the deal.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
But I'll tell you, well, when you get that, actually
the referendum, you get that with a referendum and how
we vote in terms of redistricting and what's happening right
now and is very successfully in terms of you know,
the of the of the right to vote in California
with what Gavin Newsom is doing in your own state.
But I'll let Melissa take particularly the last one.

Speaker 8 (01:24:06):
The problem with that job is that they write these
things such in a way that you need a lawyer's degree,
an attorney type degree to even understand what the hell
it is that they're talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
But I think has broken it down. Yeah, no, I understand,
I understand, But I know you're going to run and
I want to get Melissa an opportunity here to react
to what you're saying. But I just think that thank you,
you know, the thank you, Tom. The lawyers will do
their their due diligence to make it right, but they're

(01:24:42):
not going to be the ones that they're going to
be explaining it. And that's when people like Mamdani and
Gavin Newsow you have to do what they do, which
is communicate. Melissa, your thoughts on what Tom has to say,
great ideas. I agree with him, you know, but there
are tools in place like referendum that do speak for
the people, and that's another form of democracy.

Speaker 20 (01:25:07):
In part.

Speaker 27 (01:25:08):
Yeah, so we know that there's always issues when it
comes to using the tools that are in place. A
lot of people don't necessarily understand them. Like you said,
it is written in you said earlier with nicals you
have to write sixth grade grade.

Speaker 20 (01:25:22):
Might you know?

Speaker 27 (01:25:23):
Tom mentioned bipartisanship and getting money out of politics, and
you know, I'm on the mindset that we really don't
have a two party system, right. The two parties are
basically one and the same. And until we get money out,
the only way Wese people are going to be able
to fight back is to use what we have as leverage,
and the only thing we have is our leabor.

Speaker 26 (01:25:43):
Right.

Speaker 27 (01:25:44):
So you hear so many conversations that are building towards
the general strike in twenty twenty eight. I think it'd
be interesting for the people that are organizing this and
some of the leaders to do exactly what Tom said,
and hey, let's put some things out to a vote
of the people and work to build an even stronger

(01:26:04):
platform than they already have. They're kind of letting it
be up to areas and some of the works being
done around and in contracts at that time, but that's
leaving out people who are not in organized union workplaces.
So we need to find a way to build all
of those people in to actually make this a mass movement.

Speaker 5 (01:26:22):
No, I couldn't agree with you more. You know, we
have to, we have to organize it. And you know,
the twenty twenty eight strike is something you know, I was.
I was with Bernie Sanders and the Team Shirts Sean
O'Brien at an event in Cambridge about three three years ago,
twenty twenty two, when they were talking about exactly the

(01:26:42):
general strike. And you know, we haven't heard much, but
maybe that is what we're leading up to, because particularly
what is happening right now with the one percent getting
all the wealth and everybody else getting the big screw.
All right, let's go back to Minnesota. Talk to our
good friend mister John in the Great Twin Cities, Minneapolis

(01:27:04):
Year next with Melissa Thomason guarda head John Ah, Okay,
you know, a little issue with his line, Melissa. While
we wait for him to get reconnected this, let me
throw this quick one at you. You know, in the
last year, I think you had mentioned this earlier, but

(01:27:27):
just to confirm it, less teachers coming out of college. Therefore,
you're getting fewer people in their twenties trying to get
into a profession of education, which is, you know, it's
a devotion as well as a career. Talk to me
a little bit about that.

Speaker 23 (01:27:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:27:49):
Absolutely, it's a common conversation between educators right now. But
we're actually starting to see some colleges having to shut
down their education program which is a big concern. The
funding's not there right their funding has been reduced by
the federal government, but b because the numbers don't justify

(01:28:10):
keeping the programs open and they have to make smart
financial decisions after, you know, they have to stay open.
So they're going to look at what programs are not
having enough students, and that's what's going to have to go.
And we're not you know, it's a short term decision
that's going to have a great, great impact on the future.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
All right, let's strategy. We can get John in here. John,
you are next with Melissa Thompinson here on the Jeff
Santo Show. Going ahead.

Speaker 22 (01:28:39):
Yeah, I wanted to say that there was already a
tremendous amount of stress stress on the school system in
states like New Mexico, which are relatively poor states, you know,
per capita income, and I can't even imagine what it
will be like, uh at this point. And my sister

(01:29:03):
tells me that a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
Of people receive.

Speaker 22 (01:29:07):
Medicaid because of that, so that's going to really stress
families even more. But one thing that New Mexico has
done that I don't think any other state has done
is to support childhood education.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
So John, what what what is it that New Mexico
is doing that? Okay, all right, well they're.

Speaker 22 (01:29:38):
They're allowing the money is coming from the extraction industry intact.

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
So nobody's fantastic. I like that, Thank you n running out, Melissa.
Is that something you're hearing about what they're doing in
New Mexico.

Speaker 27 (01:29:54):
I haven't heard about that, but I know we've had
a big push for universal pre K in New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (01:30:00):
Fantastic Melissa thomasin thank you so much. We'll talk to
you next week. Be safe and be good. We'll be
right back.

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great state of Ohio, mister Jerry Austin sleep to pray
from watching last night's baseball games, our baseball game, World
Series Game three. Jerry, I hope you get back to sleep. Okay, man,
that was a marathon and a half.

Speaker 23 (01:34:56):
Well, but you're a baseball fan and didn't have any
allegiance bide the team. That was quite quite a game.

Speaker 5 (01:35:05):
Quite a game, indeed, no doubt about that. I think
we're probably rooting for the for the same side, and
which is a losing side. But that being said, the
congratulations to Freddie Freeman and the LA Dodgers. Pretty impressive
and uh, you know, amazing, amazing athletic endeavor. Okay, so

(01:35:25):
let's talk about politics. We spoke with your good friend
Gary South yesterday. Things are looking pretty good in the
great state of California.

Speaker 20 (01:35:35):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
He is saying that there are a number of polls
that are showing uh, you know, Democrats winning this uh comfortably.
You know. He also pointed out, which is interestingly enough
that you know they're not taking any more uh you know,
donations for you don't need any more money, which you know,

(01:35:56):
as Gary said, that doesn't usually happen to the race.
You know, they are asking for money to the last minute.
So that's good sign. And I want to get your
thoughts on this as somebody who understands the races and momentum,
you know, since we're talking baseball to start off, where
the you know, momentum could be the next day's pictures, right,

(01:36:17):
and all of a sudden that all changes if the
guy throws a two hitter. But I think that what
is happening in California, and we just talked to Melissa
Thomlinson in New Jersey that there is a feeling that
Democrats now are engaged across the country New Jersey, Virginia,

(01:36:37):
of course, the two governor's races, Pennsylvania Supreme Court, and
of course what we just talked about in California. And
I'm wondering if the similar thing is in Ohio or
what you're hearing from your friends nationwide. You're in contact
with a lot of people in the political industry, and
I feel what everything everybody that I talk to, journalists

(01:37:00):
and people on the ground, they're telling me that people
are sick and tired of what this psychopath is doing
to the country. And evidence of what seven million people
coming out the other day at no Kings and they
want to vote and they want to vote to send
a message, and that message is ixnay on. Mister orange hair.

(01:37:20):
Your thoughts on what you're hearing and seeing.

Speaker 23 (01:37:25):
Well, there are two parts against my answer. One is
what's what's happening to read from today in New Jersey, Virginia, California,
and Pennsylvania. And that's that'll be one indication in terms
of people, you know, vote for the Democrats in Pennsylvan,

(01:37:48):
New Jersey and Virginia, win the issue in California, and
retain the judges in Pennsylvania, and then everything turns to
a year from now and right. One of the things
that you know, I'm booking at watching, although I can't
do anything about, is knowing positively that Trump and the

(01:38:10):
Republicans are trying to figure out a way to either
rig the elections in those congressional seats that will be
up or you know who has power in Congress to
maybe even leading to some way trying to postpone or
cancel the elections in twenty twenty six. That that's in

(01:38:30):
their mail house. That's what they run warehouse. Real, sorry,
that's that's what you know. Their history shows that when
they know they can't win, they try to win either
legally or try to stop things from happening. And I
don't know, And I said, I don't know because I
don't know whether as they kind of watch dog watching
that in terms of you know, democratic ags or anything

(01:38:54):
like that on the Democratic side.

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
Well, you know, it's funny you say that, because my
commentary to open up the show was exactly about that
was about voter suppression. And we remember that Trump went
to the attorney general or the Secretary of State in
twenty twenty and basically said, find me, what was it,
fourteen thousand votes? I forget the exact number, and you know,
and that was on that was on audio, and then

(01:39:21):
you heard it, so you know again, and people never
really put two and two together, although I think some
people figured it out that if he's doing this in Georgia,
why wasn't he doing it with all the other states.
He just happened to get caught with that one. And
this is how they roll, And you're exactly right when
they look at the issues and they see they're wrong

(01:39:43):
on every one of them, you know, on Affordable Care
Act and the cutbacks there, on Medicare, on the shutdown itself,
all of these things. You know, they're they're on the
wrong side of people's opinions in some cases, you know,
seventy thirty against what Trump and the Republicans in the
House are doing. So I agree with you and and

(01:40:06):
and they have proven that they will play by any
means necessary. And I hate to bring in, you know,
the legendary Malcolm X's quote there, but that's what that's
what they do, and they take it out of context
like everything else they do. Yeah, No, I think you're
You're spot on, Jerry. You've got to be vigilant. And
I'm hoping the AGS and other people Secretary of the

(01:40:27):
States are are are you know, looking at all of
this and making sure that they have you know, secured
the vote in those states. And of course it's very problematic.
And in red states with red like Ohio where you
have you know, Republican governors, some stand up. I don't
know how many will do that to Trump, particularly if

(01:40:48):
it is again a Republican state. Talking to Jerry Austin
here on the Jeff Santio Show, the phone number to
join is eight three three five four five five three
three three The Good News, And I and and Gary
was talking about this yesterday. It's a generic twenty twenty
six poll numbers, which again will scare the Republican operaduce

(01:41:11):
is fifty on the twenty twenty six House races, the
number is fifty Democrats and forty one Republicans. That's not
a good sign. I mean, I know where we're year out,
and a lot of things can change over the next year,
but obviously they can change in weeks. But that's a
very good sign if you're on the Democratic sign side

(01:41:34):
right now. Again, things can change, but I sense the
momentum is on the Democratic side, so you got to
keep it. And what I was telling John Nichols earlier
is that if the Democrats have a big sweep, meaning Pennsylvania,
meaning New Jersey, Virginia, Mom Donnie seems to be winning

(01:41:55):
pretty easily in New York City, similarly with fifteen California.
If that is a massive win, then the Democrats, you know,
led by Martin, the DNC and others have to come
out and say, look, this is what Newsom did in California,
this is what Mamdani did, this is what the two
governors did in New Jersey and Virginia, and you know,

(01:42:18):
and then take this and basically run it and say
we are here and we have the backs of the
American people, and we've had candidates who have communicated that message.
I think that's that's a good thing. But that has
to be done post November fourth. Your thoughts about this,
you always have told me when we work together years ago,

(01:42:42):
the campaign never ends. I don't care, you know, if
you're the first day in office in the White House,
and to me, particularly the day after November fourth, you've
got to continue to go on the offense all the
way to next November. Your thoughts there, and you.

Speaker 23 (01:43:02):
Well, you know, I agree with it. In fact, the
campaign their friends. But okay, so we come today those
states and the issue in California is taken care of.
Let's take for granted they all win. May not. Let's
take for granted they're all win. But it's a long
wrong time between November twenty five and November twenty six,
and the Republicans read the feelings as well. And one

(01:43:25):
of the things that we don't know, at least I've
never seen it that he polled, is that the mag
of people are gone. So it's not about them. It's
not the people that voted for Trump last time, who're
not maga people. And one of the questions I asked
and they poll is, Okay, you know you're not happy
with Trump, You're not happy with his position on expoyency.

(01:43:47):
Would you vote for him again? Even though he may
not be on the ballot in twenty eighth though he'd
like to be, Would you vote for him again? I
haven't seen that question asked, So you know, does it
translate to mean that in twenty six that he will
be backing Obviously a number of people that are running
for re election and running to take out a Democrat.

(01:44:09):
Does his endorsement even though we don't like how he's
run in the country on any economic issue you may describe,
will you vote for who he tells you to vote for?
We don't know that. But what I do know and
what I hope to see, although I have very no
faith i'll see it, is that on the day after

(01:44:32):
the election next week. Yeah, they're given a day of
post mortems and all that, and hopefully they're positive. Okay,
So what's the plan for the next year? What seems
to me, you know, everything concentrates on Congress, the battleground
races in the House and the Senate. Some governors races

(01:44:54):
that are up, but mostly about Congress. That that's the
one that can prevent from stop Trump from doing the
things you want to do. What's our game plan? Now,
every every single you know race has may have their
own game plan or what's our game plan? Nationally? We
don't have one. We you know, as we've talked before,

(01:45:15):
we don't have anybody calling quarterback, right, So I suggest
that we have for lack of a vetter term, a
rapid response team, and that team is able to communicate
daily at at at best and weekly at worst, UH,

(01:45:37):
a message about what Trump has done that day or
that week. That rapid response team rotates. That's made up
of a member of the House, a member of the Senate,
a governor, UH, a mayor you know, and those those
are the people UH that come together and you know,
they have a message that they five people call signal

(01:46:00):
instead of three hundred. But we have a message every day,
or at least we can in reaction to what Trump
has been doing. And I don't see that happening because
I don't see anybody even step and forward to call,
you know for that type of thing. The only person
I see that sort of does that on not just

(01:46:23):
a weekly basis, but almost every other day. The center
a slocked in from Michigan. She's all over the internet.
She responds to things that he's doing, initially on how
to effect her state, but goverery in terms of the nation.
We need that kind of thing happening, and we need
to call it something like a rapid response team and

(01:46:44):
have a message. And what he's giving us something every
single day. Every day, he's giving you something. And you know,
we depend on the media covering this and they don't
for the most.

Speaker 5 (01:46:59):
And unless you get more shows like mine, that's not
going to help. They're not gonna happen.

Speaker 19 (01:47:04):
No.

Speaker 23 (01:47:04):
So so the the issue is, let's let's step forward
here and let's put together something that you know, that
counteracts his ability to dominate the media. We will get
attention if we if we if we form an entity
night I'm talking about, and people will be looking forward,
you know, to that message, whether it's daily or whether
it's weekly.

Speaker 5 (01:47:26):
No, you know, I I think that's a fantastic idea.
I will I will tell you. You may disagree, but
you know what we've seen from both uh and again
he'll have his hands full. But we've seen from Mondania,
New York City ability to communicate from Newsom in California.
I would put both of those, one governor, one mayor.
I would if you want to put Slot into the
Senate and someone like uh aoc or Jessica Crockett from

(01:47:50):
the House. And there may be other people too, mind.

Speaker 23 (01:47:53):
Jeff, I don't I don't agree. This cannot be you know,
people who are viewed as totally untal just being elected.
That doesn't qualify him to be a member of this team.
It's gott to be people in the team who have experienced,

(01:48:13):
you know, to Trump one and Trump two, especially Trump
to you know, what he has done to their to
their states and their corecial visions and their cities. And
I think there there are a lot of people that
pick from instead of bringing the immediate you know, uh
criticism to the fact that we've got you know, both
above the left lefties in this group, well.

Speaker 5 (01:48:35):
I don't know if they're lefty so much, but they're
good communicators, and I think that's bigger than any any
you can put. You can put a lot of moderates
in there that can't communicate other paperbacks, so that's useless
in my opinion.

Speaker 23 (01:48:46):
But I hear you guys that there there are people
that there are people that are moderates that can communicate.
And I'm not saying you're going to leave out also
you know who just leave out some of the people
that have done the I mean Crockett to her credit
and AOC to her credit, you know, and Bernie you know,

(01:49:06):
have been meeting the fight. They're out there, they're reading
the fight, no question about it. I'm not talking about
silencing them. I'm not talking about we got a rapid
response team. They may not be members and they shut up. No,
I'm not saying that at all. We have this other
entity that we create and get attention to it because
it doesn't exist right now, and you get attention if
it was created.

Speaker 5 (01:49:27):
Well, I mean look, I mean, as as a talk
show host who's in California and Massachusetts and looking to
expand around the country, I would love it because that's
exactly what we need. We need to amplify the democratic
message when you're out of power and many governors ships
as you are in Ohio where you live, when you're
out of power in the House and the Senate and

(01:49:47):
obviously the White House, you know, you need this, so
I'm all for it. But I've seen I've seen Newsome
do it, I've seen Mamdannie do it, and communication, and
I think that they could be valuable. I agree with you.
I mean that we may have, you know, his three
first three months or so, maybe a world win for him,
and maybe there's not as much time on his calendar.

(01:50:07):
But I think that there are others that are there,
some progressive, some moderate that.

Speaker 23 (01:50:12):
I think say the worst, the worst thing that downy
can do is pay attention to things that are not
Germane to New York. He's mayor of New York. Don't
become some national person. Go become mayor of New York
and start enacting the things you talked about.

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
Amen to that. We couldn't just we couldn't agree with
you more. You gotta you gotta, you gotta do first
what you got elected for, never mind the national stuff.
But I think at some point he could be helpful,
maybe down the line. Uh talking with Jerry Austin here
on the Jeff Santio Show, I think it's a great idea.
What say you give us a shout? Eight three three
five four five five three three three Kevin will let

(01:50:48):
us know who we have on the line. Let me
let me take you in another direction. Jerry, here is
you know, I think something that is really important. You know,
I've been holding up this. You can't see it because
you're not on video, but I hold up this coffee

(01:51:10):
bag from Dunkin Donuts, which course is a national organization,
national company now not just even't know. It was founded
in Massachusetts. And this was fourteen dollars, you know, when
buy another one the other week and it was seven
dollars just about a month ago. I think the economic
issues will play in the Midwest, and people are saying, well,

(01:51:32):
you know, you just can't have people from the northeast
or from the Pacific coast. But I think if if
folks who have a residence, you know, in California or
New York or Massachusetts or whatever, if you can talk
and communicate the people who buy, you know, a pound
of coffee, you know, at the grocery store, they don't

(01:51:52):
go to the Dunkin Donuts because that's usually more expensive too.
Though it wouldn't surprise me. I saw Dunkin Donuts actually
doing like a three pack for like twenty bucks. But anyways,
your thoughts on that because to me, that is the
Democrats always went on economics, and it is so difficult
today for the average family of three or four or five,

(01:52:14):
you know, to make it and everything. You know, federal
workers are being laid off. I just saw it today
MSNBCV pointing fourteen thousand Amazon workers. It was a warehouse
workers for the most part. You know, this is there
and I think that crosses it, you know the state
lines that you know. I mean, I think this is
a universal thing. If you stay on that and have
somebody communicate that message, I think that's a win that

(01:52:36):
you can carry a long way into next November.

Speaker 23 (01:52:39):
Your thoughts, well, I agree, So let me let me
let me pile on on my rapid response team. And
what would would happen is that these individuals going to
talk about elector officials would not talk just talk about
an issue for the community. They put on interview real

(01:52:59):
people talking about what's going on in their line states
about economic issues, whether it's you know, the staff that's
been taken away, whether whether they're federal workers that have
you know, ferd over or lost their John people who
losing losing uh obamacair, whatever. It is not just an
elected official talking about things, interviewing real people talking about

(01:53:24):
how these policies have affect have affected them.

Speaker 5 (01:53:29):
I couldn't agree with you more. And we're we going
to do that ourselves right here on the Jeff Santio
Show in the coming days and weeks, particularly after November
four uh and and you know, if we have time
in some cases even before. I also feel Jerry, as
we talked with Jerry Austin here media consultant du jor,
and of course he has worked on many incredibly important

(01:53:53):
races in the great state of Ohio. We talked last
week about your work with Dick Celeste being the last
Ohio demic to win reelection going back to nineteen ninety
and how you never let up time to go after
your opponent and you are the one that creates the

(01:54:13):
narrative of that opponent, not the other way around. And
I think this is an important piece here. As you know,
I mean, I'll give you an example to me that's
going to be fascinating. You got an open race in
Iowa for the US Senate position there, and at the
same time you have a case in Maine where you

(01:54:34):
have the long time do nothing, just sit in the
middle of the road like a dead armadillo and two
yellow lines, and Susan Collins who basically says, oh, I
don't like what Trump is doing, but yet votes for
his Supreme Court justices and his legislation every day of
the week. So you have these things, and you've got
to define that, and you have to be able to

(01:54:54):
have somebody who can communicate that and whether again it
may be the candidate and Platiner or if it's Mills
against Collins and whoever the nominee is in Iowa, and
the more that they can communicate that message, and again
getting help from you know, your super friends to use
the cartoon measure of the seventies, I think that would

(01:55:17):
be fantastic because it's there. I mean, you know, those
those economic issues are everywhere, whether it's a rural place,
you know, with you know, the whole the whole policy
of agriculture in Iowa, you know, and dairy and agriculture
and Maine, you know. I mean, I think there's so
many different pieces of the puzzle here, but it's all

(01:55:40):
there for the taking. And I think not taking advantage
of the situation to me, which seemingly was the case
over the first three or four months for the Democrats,
they seem to be slow to adapt to the situation.
And now it's getting a little better. And I think
the people are leading the folks in Washington, which is

(01:56:02):
always the case usually, but I think there needs to
be a right a team put together to do just that.
I would hope that there are some organizations that are
willing media wise and others to put these folks on

(01:56:24):
shows like mine, and I hope that they're you know,
some in the Democratic Party that are helping in that regard,
because that's another way to communicate to people too, you know.
I mean, I was talking with John Nichols about this.
This individual Platner is is dealing with, you know, a
lot of incoming from Washington, d C. Stuff and some

(01:56:45):
things that he said is himself was very stupid to do.
But he's getting people in every day. MSNBC's Alex sits
Wall was on the show a few years ago now
with another organization. You know, he says, Look, he says,
he's getting seven hundred people at night, eight hundred people
in these small towns in Maine where you know, you're
not going to get ten thousand people because in a

(01:57:05):
lot of cases, there's only ten thousand people in the
whole the old town that that it is in, or
maybe even five thousand. I think candidates who can draw
people you know, uh, not across a rope line, you know,
for a photo op, but you know in in the
mill factory, door, in the uh, in the coffee shop,

(01:57:27):
not a not a Starbucks either. I think that's what
Democratic candidates should be, particularly this time around. Your thoughts there, well, keep.

Speaker 23 (01:57:40):
In mind, then I don't think I'm wrong in this.
The overwhelming majority of people Democrats who have announced for office,
whether it's Congress, Senate, or governorship. Our military veterans never
had run through office before, so we have fir time
office seekers that are with a story to tell that

(01:58:02):
it's about the military, or it's about the guy in
Iowa who's been a whale chairs entire life. We got
real people telling real stories. For the most part, worrying
against and cumbings will become career politicians. That should be
a winning message.

Speaker 5 (01:58:16):
Amen, I couldn't agree with you more. That's exactly what
we need. And the more we recruit people like that
and less about you know, two term governors and Mills
has done a good thing, you know, for the people
of Maine, and I would vote for her if she's
the nominee. But I think if you can get somebody
who's a fisherman and a military guy and people who

(01:58:37):
can you know, who draws crowds on a daily basis,
I mean, just you know, I mean, you just can't
get that, you know, every day of the week when
you're searching for a candidate. Jerry Austin, so good to
talk to you, my friend. You know, I hope you
can stay up for Game four and go forward with
a great game of baseball. Appreciate your time, my friend.

(01:59:01):
Great here, thank you. That's Jerry Austin. I'm Jeff Santo's
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from Ohio. He grew up there. Jerry grew up in
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Jeff Santo's, show and welcome back to it. Folks coming
to you live from The South coast in The commonwealth Of.
Massachusetts we're going to be talking with our good friend
from the great state Of ohio back to. Back we
just spoke With Jerry, austin of, course Another ohio, in
but he grew up In New York. City and of
Course John bussinger Left ohio and is now part of

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The Great commonwealth Of. Massachusetts he served some thirty years
as a state rep From, Brookline, massachusetts replacing my good
Friend Governor Michael ducaccus in that State house before the
governor would go, ON i mean the, Legislator Mike ducaccus
would go on to be governor in nineteen seventy. Four

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and of Course john is also the advocate for The
North South Station Rail. Inc and we bring him in
now from his home In, Brookline. Massachusetts, john great to
have you back with. Us Happy, tuesday. Sir how are.

Speaker 20 (02:07:59):
You i'm doing, okay very?

Speaker 5 (02:08:03):
Good all. RIGHT i just want to get some thoughts from,
you not only from your Fellow Buck eye And Jerry
austin and some of his, comments and also From John
nichols And Melissa. Tomlinson our previous three guests here all
made fantastic points AND i Think it's fascinating because you,

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know you have worked with me over the years a
big part of Transportation, thursday and you understand the communication
aspect of this and the ability to communicate in these
times is so important and the issues are so, important you,
KNOW i, mean fourteen thousand people being laid off By,

(02:08:46):
amazon the concerns IF aca goes. Under you, know we're
Facing november first as a deadline on a lot of these.
Things you got federal government, workers you have a whole
slew of. Issues and at the same, time you, Know
democrats are are. Poised poll numbers In california are very.

(02:09:08):
Good Gary south a great consultant With Gray davis for
several cycles that he ran as lieutenant governor and then as,
governor was a senior advisor as. Governor you, know it's
telling me yesterday that you, know The democrats on the
Congressional house side is about fifty to forty one for
The democrats again wear a year. OUT i understand that

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it's looking very good In. California democrats are ahead double
digits for The prop, fifty which is critical to the
rest of the. Country so all this, stuff that's good.
News but if you can't communicate, it and you can't
communicate it the day after you, win and then you
have the game. Plan talk to me about that as
a as an elected official in how, yes you have

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the ecstasy of winning the election and you celebrate on election,
night but the day after if if you, win you're
going to have to get back on that horse again
and you're gonna have to be able to communicate to
your voters and voters across the. State in your, case
you you know you would win in a in a
in a legislative district In. BROOKLINE i think that's going

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to be really important for The. Democrats and as a
former elected official and somebody who's concerned about transportation issues
and other issues nationally of course saving our. Democracy it's,
just you, know the big. One what is your take
about what this next, week next two weeks means For
democrats and and basically since we're the opposition party to

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the fascist regime to the, country.

Speaker 20 (02:10:44):
Well it's difficult to say what will happen the day.
Afterwards you can make you can talk about, it but
you know there's going to be a day to celebrate
the next. Morning people aren't going to find out the
results until the next. Morning but we got to go
back to the mass, demonstrations which really rile up people
because somebody said the other day they want to talk to,
themselves but everyone have, families and when those people go

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home to the rest of the, family they didn't go
they talked to. Them take the other side making it
tends to be, arithmetic if not. Geometric but the people
go to the, rallies have, friends, neighbors, people. Coworkers it
starts to.

Speaker 19 (02:11:23):
Ripple through the. Ripple that's how megabill.

Speaker 20 (02:11:26):
Itself it. Rippled we got to do the same kind
of thing of.

Speaker 19 (02:11:31):
Trying to control the. Narrative it's harder if we don't control.

Speaker 20 (02:11:33):
The media because the other side has more money and
they have more voices on radio AND tv and other
kinds of, communication.

Speaker 5 (02:11:40):
No, doubt.

Speaker 20 (02:11:43):
Because it's very they doing in the fears they, do
and the animus toward, minorities for, example toward, women toward,
transgender for anybody who's not like. Them they have a
message it's easy to. Sell people Say trump's the. Genius but,
again easier message to. Sell we have a little hard,
messages so, well we got to go out and sell.
It we can't take time off As Jimmy carver made

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a mistake earlier this, YEAR i hope he realized it.
Now we can't take time. Off there is no such
thing as time off when you have imminent. Threats and
the biggest emminent threat is Named.

Speaker 5 (02:12:15):
Trump even though he's a he's a. Failure now as
a college, Coach Bill belichick was pretty good as a professional,
coach and he used to say no days, off no days.
Off so Mister carville should learn that. Too you can't see, It,
john Because i'm holding up on the next game exactly
on To. Cincinnati but the point is is that.

Speaker 20 (02:12:37):
He took it out of my.

Speaker 5 (02:12:37):
Mouth, yeah You're state Of Ohio Dunkin. Donuts i'm holding
a package. HERE i won't say the name because you're
not going to give them any any. Publicity but as you,
know it begins WITH s AND. S and about a
month AGO i went to this store and it cost
me seven dollars for a pound of Of Duncan donuts.

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Coffee of, course founded In, Quincy, massachusetts number years. Ago
now it's a national. Brand thank You Ben affleck and
the rest of the folks that are doing just. That
but the point is is that it went from seven
dollars in the middle Of september to fourteen. Dollars that's
The trump tariff. Economy and this, thing to, me fourteen

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dollars in less than one week still is fourteen dollars
at THE s AND. S and this to me is
something that we should be talking about a week, ago,
no about three weeks, ago Mid september really and my,
yeah a few weeks. Ago and this to me when
one week it went from seven ninety nine to fourteen ninety,
nine and that to me is. Insane but we got

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to bring this, Up, John and you, know and again
that's something that people coming from The No kings rallies
to somebody who is in line to, vote you, know
their elections In massachusetts On november, fourth and again across the.
Country are people listening in the great region Of Los,
Angeles california in kseaa am ten. Fifty you, KNOW i

(02:14:09):
know you have a sister In Los angeles as. Well you,
know this goes on everywhere and it's you, know and
LIKE i, say there's fourteen thousand people being laid off At,
amazon you get that message, out you, know, granted we
are being outnumbered and The democrats and progressives have really
dropped the ball and not pushing for talk. Radio we're
trying to do right. Now and you, know with the

(02:14:31):
exception OF, msnbc nobody is talking about these issues And
democrats need. To and you, know our good Friend Jerry
austin talked about the idea we shall put together a
super team a, governor a, senator A house, member and a.
Mayor AND i gave him a few names and THEY
i think there are others out. There i'm of the

(02:14:51):
point that you have to be able to get this message.
Out and What i'm saying on the fifth Of november
that if The democrats do, win and even if if
they lose a, rate you got to, say, look look
what happened With, newsom which seems to be one of
the things that's going to happen for a positive you,
Know look what happened With mandani In New York. City
look what happened with you, KNOW i think that Both

(02:15:12):
democrats are going to win in the governor's. Races we'll
see About Pennsylvania Supreme court.

Speaker 20 (02:15:15):
Races So i'm worried About New, jersey YEAH i, Am
but more and MORE i talk to, people call them
up that's, right you dude write.

Speaker 5 (02:15:25):
That SO i just think that there is an opportunity,
here you, know For democrats to take that message and
run with it for the next. Year, again you're going
to run into a whole. YEAR a lot of things can,
happen BUT i think that that really is. Important something
that you have talked, About John, bussinger is the issue of.
VOTING i started off talking about this today and my

(02:15:50):
commentary at the top of the show that voter suppression
is something that is happening now and it's going to
get even worse with our friends and The republican. Side you,
know you you instituted some things that are really important
For Massa chusetts that keeping the polls open later and
some other aspects. Too but this is more than. That

(02:16:10):
what we're doing is taking voters off the voter, roles
and not so much in a place Like, massachusetts but
a lot of other, states particularly led By. Republicans, this,
yep Exactly texas go on and on on took the
roll right, Right so this is this to, me is.

Speaker 19 (02:16:32):
Ever anybody heard of? Her since nobody she.

Speaker 5 (02:16:35):
Disappeared nobody heard of persons. Here she had one, job
AND i was at you, know to make sure that,
uh you, know Fewer African americans and Fewer latinos voted
on The democratic side or voted, period and that's exactly
what she. Did but this is.

Speaker 20 (02:16:50):
Retained or regained the right to. Vote they took them off, too, right.

Speaker 5 (02:16:54):
Right no. Doubt so WHAT i think we have here is,
that you, know the opportunity here is to is to
communicate that. Message AND i think they got to be
ready For november. Fifth. Uh you, know, again if you
lose a couple of, races but you win the majority of,
them or you win them, all you got to have
a message and say look what we've, done not to

(02:17:15):
sort of pat each other on the, back but to
say this is how you do. It particularly what we
see With Gavin newsom In california and you know In
mandani In New York, city two different. Stories one who
has been in government for a, while who took On
trump and said not on my, Watch we're not going
to let you Bully, californians And Mam donnie was said

(02:17:37):
the same thing but has never run, before you, know
in a big city Like New. York he's obviously assemblymen
from parts Of New York. City but to, ME i,
think you, know you learn from what you did and
you and you you, know learn from both of those
candidates and others. Too we'll see what the margin of
margin of victory is in Both New jersey And, virginia

(02:17:59):
even of the polls look good for The democrats in both.
Places talk to me about, This John, bussinger do you,
feel as a longtime member of The Democratic, Party Massachusetts
State democrat member and so, forth that people who may
not necessarily are are people going to always vote you

(02:18:21):
know that come? OUT i, mean how many times we've
talked off here about what the numbers are in your
town Of, brookline how many people actually came out to,
vote and you, know if they, don't then that means
that in other cities that represent a similar, demographic if
they are also, down and that hurts The democratic vote

(02:18:42):
as an. Example so BUT i sense that people now
after no, kings understand that we're in peril with a CAPITAL.
P AND i think that there is you know a
number of people who will who will show up that
maybe haven't shown up in four. Years your thoughts on.

Speaker 20 (02:19:03):
That, well that's again why people have to talk to other.
People they know because the fact, is no matter what
you say about, turnout it's so lousy compared to other.

Speaker 19 (02:19:15):
Countries you, know we're.

Speaker 20 (02:19:17):
Lucky to get sixty four, people don't say elections of
the region voters and seventy five percent in the Presidential
where are the other? People where are the, people you
know reading about their own? Demise people want To if
people want to survive the, better know how to, fight,
persist never give up kind of of. Motivation it's time,

(02:19:42):
to you, know take it to the other. Side we
have the right. Policies we're dealing with a bunch of
people who don't know, history don't care about, history don't
know who file Founded Social, security who oppose, it don't
know who founded, medicare who posed, it don't know who
who's big on voting rights and who's against. It if

(02:20:03):
people don't getting slapped around and they take, it they
get what they. Deserve and therefore us to stimulate as
many people as possible to increase our.

Speaker 19 (02:20:13):
Ranks.

Speaker 5 (02:20:15):
Anything to inspire.

Speaker 19 (02:20:17):
Communications the military should be pissed.

Speaker 20 (02:20:20):
Off pardon my, language That trump getting mail in. Voting
how do people overseas and on ships overseas vote in land?

Speaker 19 (02:20:31):
Bases In, europe they.

Speaker 20 (02:20:33):
Have to do it by.

Speaker 19 (02:20:34):
Mail.

Speaker 20 (02:20:35):
Trumps trump is anti military and people aren't. Calling getting
rid of mail and, voting gets rid of traveling, businessmen
traveling people who have jobs, overseas temporary people station overseas on,
ships on air force, bases on army. Bases give me
A he doesn't even know.

Speaker 19 (02:20:54):
What he's, doing.

Speaker 5 (02:20:56):
Doesn't that's. Obvious he's. Clueless he only wants a photo.
Op you know. That he's, Right, yeah he wants to
have a dictator for. Life that's what he's what he's all.
About and right now he's always basically trying to keep
himself out of. Jail you, know that's the other piece
of the. Puzzle, here we're talking With John bussinger here

(02:21:17):
on The Jeff Santo. Show, yeah on The Jeff Santo.
Show here we're going to be replaying the interview we
did with Another, John John nichols coming up at two
Thirty pacific, time five Thirty, Eastern so it will be
a back to Back, John we're here on The Jeff Santo.
Show bussinger And. Nichols talk to, Me john about how

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you sense that you know people who are you, know
losing their their JOBS i mentioned the fourteen thousand people
With amazon that are going to lose their jobs. Nationwide you,
know there are a lot of warehouses Throughout Greater boston
not far from where we, are in The south coasts as.

(02:22:01):
Well AND i look at this AND i just think
that it is so important to make sure that those
voices get, heard because you, know they need to be,
heard and they need to tell their friends about you,
know who The democrats are and who The republicans, are
and you, know and and you know this is you,

(02:22:23):
know you're gonna hear silence from The. Republicans oh, well
that's just a part of the grand scheme of. Things
and a couple of years things will be, better you.
Know and all this other bs and garbage that they
throw out, too.

Speaker 20 (02:22:35):
Well not even the four wasts of next year they have.
There they're working hard in health. Care yeah sure there.

Speaker 5 (02:22:41):
Are, yeah just like just like they had four years.
Ago there to.

Speaker 22 (02:22:50):
Destroy as little as.

Speaker 5 (02:22:51):
Possible they're there to destroy and to keep keep it
up at at one keep the one percent happy by
getting the campaign donations to These republican, tools uh you.

Speaker 19 (02:23:04):
Know puppets.

Speaker 20 (02:23:05):
Here by the, Way i'm one. Off my brother would
have been laid. Off he's retired, now but he's In
virginia And i'm sure he's voting.

Speaker 19 (02:23:11):
For spamberger and his.

Speaker 5 (02:23:13):
Wife there's no doubt about, that you, know In.

Speaker 20 (02:23:17):
California covered in my, family.

Speaker 5 (02:23:21):
Probably somebody In ohio, too.

Speaker 11 (02:23:25):
You.

Speaker 5 (02:23:25):
Know but but you, know it's it's, important, Uh, john
that we have an under understanding that you, know we
have an opportunity, here uh to bring together a coalition you,
know that is The Rainbow. Coalition we talked with our

(02:23:45):
good friend, Yesterday Mel poindexter about just. That and you,
know we can bring Out latinos who have been basically
put to the, uh you, know to the curb By
Donald trump in ice and other law enforcement, techniques uh
and military, techniques all of these things that are going,

(02:24:07):
on and we cannot, allow you, know A latino, voter,
uh you, know to vote against their very own. Interests
after what we have seen on the streets of The United.
States you, know you can't.

Speaker 20 (02:24:23):
Pardon grown to the, ground thrown against walls exactly in
court today talk why did the stret paragraphs. Himself the
other side has a bunch of red. Hots they're basically
known for who they don't.

Speaker 5 (02:24:37):
Like, well the the thing about this is that.

Speaker 20 (02:24:43):
It's basically called, cleansing, Right.

Speaker 5 (02:24:47):
Well what we what we have to do is to
point out to these voters who has your, back and
The Democratic party has always had the back of the.
Underdog and when they don't talk about, that they. Lose
and somebody Like, trump who's a, good great con man
actually you, know finds a way to do just. That
and that's what happens When biden couldn't, communicate you, know

(02:25:09):
because there's illness and so, forth and you, know they
took advantage of, that and it Put harris in a bad,
position you, know just a few months to, go and
you know she she didn't handle the campaign as well
as it could have, been made some major mistakes towards the,
end and you, know and and and you know that's
that's the. Story BUT i believe there.

Speaker 20 (02:25:31):
Is some bran let me just say, this yeh before
we get. Off they might be undone by the same
thing that hurt, us because you have to play the
cards that you're. Dealt and no matter what you say
of a lecture's, campaign inflation was hurting, us the same
issue might hurt The republicans next. Year whoever's in is
gonna get hurt by, inflation so they might be hoist
on their own.

Speaker 5 (02:25:51):
Pratid well, yeah but you, know you know you, can
if you have a good communicator and a good, plan
you can you can evoke ways in which you get around.
It and it's of Course biden's situation was much better
than what we have. Now evidence of the fourteen dollars
coffee THAT i THAT i just told you about at

(02:26:13):
THE s AND. S so, yeah it's it's really, right.

Speaker 19 (02:26:18):
SO i wouldn't. Notice but there's other things going up every.

Speaker 20 (02:26:20):
Day go up take out food every time they're either
pat making up a new menu or they're charging you
more and they haven't even made they're doing it so
often they don't make new menus up right.

Speaker 10 (02:26:31):
Away, yeah well it ten.

Speaker 20 (02:26:35):
Dollars and twenty five cents is now twelve ninety.

Speaker 5 (02:26:38):
Nine mm, hmm, yep there you, go, yep and passing it.

Speaker 20 (02:26:42):
On so the same issues that we that hurt us
might hurt, them and we would have been better able
to deal with. It what they're the way to deal
with it is animal across was stupid.

Speaker 5 (02:26:52):
Terrorists we're talking With John bussener here in the final
minute of this, Segment i'm gonna try to see if
we can go to our good Friend john In minnesota
before we hit the, uh the pause until the top
of the hour where we say. Goodbye John nichols of,

(02:27:15):
course will be on tape coming up at about thirty
three past the, hour and hopefully you know you will
stay tuned for for. That uh those of you who
are listening both online as well as k c A
a in the great city Of San bernardino and covering

(02:27:37):
much of The Los Angeles southland in Southern. California let
me let me ask you, This, JOHN I i think
there is a real chance here For democrats to even
surprise the pundits BECAUSE i think people are very. ANGRY

(02:27:58):
i know you see. It i've talked To Melissa thomas
and about this In New. Jersey i've seen it and
talking With John nichols about. It there is no doubt
that people are finally getting the. Message and that's a
good thing for The Democratic. Party it's a good, thing
frankly for the country more, importantly because if people feel
this and they and they have an organization like The

(02:28:20):
democrats hearing, them that's an important piece of it. Too
then you know you have a way of saving the,
nation which frankly is the, real the real issue at.
Stake here's a Real.

Speaker 20 (02:28:35):
Joe trump says he's a. Builder The Democratic party is the.
Builder The Republican party Under trump is a. Destroyer people
try to leave this show with that. Idea do you
want to build or do you want to? Destroy you
want exactly or do you want to?

Speaker 19 (02:28:51):
Expand?

Speaker 5 (02:28:53):
Right you know it's it's it's all about making your
life a better, life not one for the one, percent
and you get all the. Crumbs that's what The republicans
promise you trickle. Down i'm still waiting for nineteen.

Speaker 19 (02:29:08):
Eighty two for the.

Speaker 20 (02:29:09):
Crumbs there you.

Speaker 5 (02:29:10):
Go he would tax a, tariff Mister, bussinger thank, you my, Friend.

Speaker 20 (02:29:15):
Hey jones gave people cool A trump with charge for.

Speaker 5 (02:29:17):
Us go, Absolutely John, bussinger former state Legislative Mats chews
for thirty years and of course the advocate for The
North South station rail. Link appreciate your, time. Sir, okay,
folks we're gonna have a replay Of John nichols and
we will be uh hopefully coming back at about five

(02:29:38):
fifty Eight eastern two fifty Eight pacific time to say.
Goodbye we'll be right.

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Speaker 5 (02:33:31):
Thirty three minutes past. The hour it Is The Jeff
santo show that you are tuned into coming you live
From the south coast here In the Commonwealth, of massachusetts.
THE folk i always want to make one thing clear to.
Our audience you, KNOW again i am very much focused on.

(02:33:56):
Economic issues, YOU know i wouldn't have this, prop HERE
but i, you KNOW if i didn't, do IT but
i just think that it, is important you, know again
to have, You know democrats and organizations that support them
to understand that this is a way in which the
opposition may very well may very well try to win.

(02:34:20):
An election and there's some, history HERE but i would
be insane and tell you that economics is not going
to determine. The outcome that is where. We're at and
that's why we talk about the economic issues every day on.
This show and we talk to somebody who is a

(02:34:41):
fantastic journalist who is covering economic issues and. Many others
that is the, great journalists the best in the. Progressive Business,
john nichols national affairs Correspondent For the, nation magazine and
we welcome him to our program, Right Now. Happy. Tuesday john.

Speaker 19 (02:35:04):
It's pleasure to be it's. Your brother.

Speaker 5 (02:35:07):
Pleasure to be, with. YOU BRO i i can you? Hear,
me okay can you?

Speaker 20 (02:35:13):
Hear?

Speaker 19 (02:35:13):
Me fine, all right?

Speaker 5 (02:35:15):
Very, Good, okay, yeah no it's it's fantastic to be.
WITH you i am intrigued by your thoughts about what
we are Seeing. In california we had on the Consultant
yesterday Democratic Strategist, Gray Davis, gary south and he, is

(02:35:38):
very very bullish on the Campaign That gavin Newsom and
Kill in california. Are running or it could be twenty
point Win For gavin newsom or something close, to that,
double digits. We'll say and if that's, the CASE then

(02:35:59):
i think that that kind of effort by, you Know
the californian governor could VERY easily i think find its
way in. Other campaigns is it's a. Copycat culture right by,
The way john is joining us on, the streets so
you get all the sounds of the City.

Speaker 19 (02:36:18):
Behind John That's okay Park Where mom, Donnie is.

Speaker 5 (02:36:21):
Oh you, are well that makes. Perfect sense.

Speaker 19 (02:36:26):
We love.

Speaker 5 (02:36:26):
That all we can't pan.

Speaker 14 (02:36:28):
Out, here, yep yeah We'll get we'll Get Into mom
donnie and in a few.

Speaker 19 (02:36:35):
Follow in, california Closely and i'll actually be out there. Next.

Speaker 5 (02:36:38):
Week, fantastic well, you know we look forward to talking
to you from our, you Know. FROM california i know
our friends AT casey aa would love, to uh would
love to talk to you as WELL at am Ten Fifty,
San Bernardino Greater. Los angeles so, YOU know i think

(02:36:59):
it's an opportunity for other statewide, office holders, you know
for state. STATEWIDE referendums i Hear That governor pritzker is, you,
KNOW uh i think It Was Congressman robin kelly is
trying to do something similar in terms. Of redistricting, YOU

(02:37:21):
know i think it's Slow In, new YORK which i
think is also kind of Fascinating because i'm wondering if
an election by Mister Mum donnie may, very well, you
know give us another candidate, for governor good friend Of
Mom Donnie Attorney General, letitia james, you know which would.

(02:37:42):
BE fascinating i think she's a little more aggressive, on
that Probably, like newsome Probably like pritzker is going to
be if all reports. Are correct what's your take on
this and what you're seeing on the Ground In New,
york city besides all those taxi caps lying by you.

Speaker 18 (02:38:00):
Not.

Speaker 19 (02:38:00):
Too bad to, be honest it's. Pretty good but here's
here's the. Bottom Line the california referendum is a. Huge
deal it is a defining moment in the Pushback. Against
trump And If gavin newsom has, bet right if the
referendum produces a big win for, fair maps, for maps

(02:38:25):
that that Counter what trump, is doing recognizing ULTIMATELY that
i think we'd all like to have a better system for,
drawing Maps and california historically has embraced the concept of having.
Nonpartisan maps but in this case things have gone so.
Far awry trump has like, everything else he's he's wrecked

(02:38:45):
something and now other people have to clean. It up in,
This case california is taking the Lead and this is
going to instruct up the places there is the ability
to do a veto override or a legislative Override in
ohio Where the republicans are trying to draw three. NEW
seats i believe you can also do it in several

(02:39:06):
of the other states Where the republicans are attempting to.
Do THIS so i think what you're going to see
is two types. Of referendums one type is what you're Seeing,
in california and that is a, redraw right a effort
to create some more districts that are either competitive or
potentially could Elect some democrats to offset what's Happening.

Speaker 5 (02:39:27):
In texas the other.

Speaker 19 (02:39:29):
Model is to do an, override referendum, which says To
the republicans when they mess, things up, you know when
when they've drawn maps that Are at, trump's behest not
on their, own behest that then the voters can. Override,
it right they, can, say no you can't. Do that

(02:39:50):
we're not going to let you. Do that we're going
to keep the maps that we've got to two, different
models what's Happening in california and what is happening in
which potentially happening in some other states end, result is
when you add it, all up you have the potential that,
You know trump's efforts to basically From The. White house

(02:40:13):
and THAT'S what i mean by messing this, up right It's.
Not republicans democrats have always kind of drawn favorable maps
for themselves at the, state level, you know if they
have the ability to. Do so we recognize that. That's
history but if you've Got The white house ordering people
in the states to redraw their maps with an eye
toward benefiting, you Know The, white house not the voters of,

(02:40:37):
that state that's a. Different game and that's what we're
really talking, About here so two different models to deal.
With this bottom LINE is i think we could end
up in a Situation, where trump instead of, you know
shifting the, whole map ends up with only a handful
of states that where he's Increased the republican, seat number
and as, a result will have a relatively relatively is,

(02:41:02):
a keyword fair election In six now that's with all
The the gerrymany that, came first all the. Other problems,
you know nobody's calling, this perfection But the trump intervention
will have, been thwarted at least in. Large parts so
that's a, big deal and we should keep that. In

(02:41:22):
mind now you Asked About. New York new york is
another state where potentially there could be. Some redrawing we
don't you don't know where that's going to. End up
it's a hard it's a very heavy Lift In new
york and maybe one that will. Not occur as regards the,
mayor race it's a really. Dynamic race mamdani continues to

(02:41:43):
lead by most of, the Polls, but cuomo, his opponent,
his primary his, main opponent the guy he beat in,
the primary is, you know at least keeping. It competitive
and so this is going to be an exciting Week In,
new york a week where we are going to see
some real effort, to define, you know kind of where
our politics, is headed not Just In, new york but
absolutely because of the symbolic Importance Of mam donnie's campaign

(02:42:07):
as regards the Governorship Of. NEW york i don't Think
this james is going to run for governor. NEXT year
i think she will run for reelection as. Attorney general
and both She and hokel are now Actively Backing. Mom donnie,
in fact they both appeared with him at a Rally,
On sunday hokal's getting a lot of pressure to accept

(02:42:28):
tax increases on, the rich which she's been little. Resistant
to and so there's plenty of folks who would like
to see her move on. Some issues, but unlike as,
an example, you Know some, democratic leaders she Is Backing
mom donnie and actually appearing at.

Speaker 5 (02:42:42):
His RALLIES so.

Speaker 19 (02:42:45):
I think that, you're seeing, you know when all of a,
sudden done probably a relative level of state based. Democratic
unity still a question about some of The national dems
As Regards. Mam donnie but that's that's the baseline FROM
what i, See HERE and i can tell. You This
If mom, donnie wins that is a huge Pushback Against.

(02:43:06):
Donald trump, that is the Voters Of New york city
haven't been told again and again and Again By donald
trump that he will try to. Punish Them If mom,
donnie wins saying we're not going to, be bullied we
are not going to accept. Your pressure we're going to
vote for who we want and who we believe is on.
Our side if, that happens that's. Very significant if it

(02:43:29):
comes in combination with a big Win for newsom Strategy
in california and significant Wins for Democrats In new Jersey.
And Virginia next tuesday could be a huge day in.
Our politics and what makes it huge is the Fact
That donald trump could and this is nothing set, in

(02:43:50):
stone but could suffer, step backs, you know all across
the country in a variety of different states. And cities that,
is very. Very significant you know that Basically because americans
are upset with.

Speaker 5 (02:44:03):
What this president, is doing, no DOUBT and i think
it could be a fantastic day For the democrats and
they have to take advantage. Of It on, november fifth,
you know you could win, two governorships and in a
Place like virginia that's STILL no i Understand the november,

(02:44:24):
fourth selection but the, day After what i'm saying IS
that i think you need you need to be able
to sort of get that momentum and then say this
is who we are and this is what we're going
to do for the. Next YEAR and i think you
take advantage. Of that and if YOU'RE the dnc And, mister,
martin uh you want to be able to package that
as a, you know this is how we. Go forward,

(02:44:47):
you know we've seen how, You Know governor newsom has.
Done it we've Seen how mamdani has, done it and
you kind of bring that, energy together, you know On
the east coast And the, west coast AND then i
think you move that, agenda forward, you know and again
there's going to be a lot of different races with,
you know More conservative democrats in some cities and some. Some,
districts yeah and, you know and. So FORTH but i

(02:45:09):
think there's something there that we can, learn FROM and
i Hope the democrats take that and move it forward
the Day after and you're.

Speaker 19 (02:45:18):
Exactly, Right yeah you're, Exactly. Right jeff and and that's
precisely the way to look. At this there is no
question that, You Know abigail Stanberger in virginia is Different
Than zorah Mamdani In.

Speaker 5 (02:45:35):
New.

Speaker 19 (02:45:35):
York uh there is a reality that the strategy Adopted
By gavin Newsom in california maybe different than the strategies
Adopted by democrats in some. Other places but if we
look at the kind of touch on, the baseline the,

(02:45:56):
baseline is are people motivated to come to, the polls perhaps,
insignificant numbers maybe even in unexpectedly, high numbers to Vote
against republicans and to vote Against What donald trump. Is
doing if that is, the case and we see it

(02:46:17):
across the country in, different places in, different approaches. Different
strategies then the lesson for twenty twenty six, is huge
and that lesson Is that democrats should on the ground
figure out their, best strategies figure out their. Best approaches
but at the end of, the day if they, do
that they have a tremendous potential. To win and if,

(02:46:39):
they win then that victory.

Speaker 23 (02:46:43):
Is.

Speaker 19 (02:46:43):
The way, YOU know i don't have to explain it.
Beyond that this is where we begin to check And Balance,
donald trump who in his first many months now as
president has been unchecked and unbalanced because he hasn't Had
a House or senate Or A supreme court that was
willing to push back. Against it suddenly we might have.

(02:47:05):
Significant pushback and so that's where we Watched next tuesday with.
Great interest and then you're. Exactly right on the next Day,
on wednesday we watch how. Democrats respond do they take
the lesson, in well do they learn, from it and
do they create a politics that is, prepared to, you

(02:47:26):
know kind of reassert democracy in this country at all
sorts of different levels and in all sorts of. Different places.

Speaker 5 (02:47:33):
Talking With john nichols here On The Jeff. Santo show
the phone number to join on is eight three three
five four five five three. Three three that's eight three
three five four five five three. Three three let's Go
to John. In minnesota you are Next with john N,
from wisconsin although He's In new, york today where of

(02:47:53):
course you. Grew UP. John D, in minnesota, you're next
go to.

Speaker 21 (02:47:57):
The.

Speaker 22 (02:47:57):
HEAD yeah i wanted, TO say i think there's a
lot of, you know change in what's going on with,
the ELECTORATE and i THINK that i think we, could see,
you Know the democrats swept in in twenty, twenty six considering,

(02:48:20):
You know, donald's popularity in the, administration's popularity even.

Speaker 1 (02:48:26):
Despite their voter.

Speaker 22 (02:48:29):
SUPPRESSION moves, i, mean we of course we need to
be cognizant of that and, you know try our best to.
Counter it but on the, OTHER hand i think the
electorate may change their.

Speaker 19 (02:48:42):
Vote COMPLETELY so.

Speaker 5 (02:48:46):
I think that's an. Interesting, perspective, yeah, No NO. John d,
Thank You john nichols your thoughts. ON that i want
to add something to it, as well just to report
here off OF the msnbc Ticker that amazon will lay
off fourteen thousand employees. This year there are a lot
of people in the STATE where i live and across.

(02:49:10):
This country you know that work at low paying but
jobs that that are There, at amazon that's a that's
a killer for a lot, of people you know in.
This country your thoughts on, that news but Also what
john d, is, SAYING.

Speaker 19 (02:49:30):
Well i hope you can. Hear me well some of
your your connection there was a. Little shaky, oh okay
if you're, hearing, me well now you how?

Speaker 5 (02:49:40):
Much better so, that's okay go. Right ahead BUT.

Speaker 19 (02:49:44):
What i will say, Is This the amazon layoffs come as.
No surprise this is the fundamental reality of the moment we.
Are in we are going to see warehouses which had
been a key employment source for a lot, of people
in many cases folks who lost jobs and manufacturing in.
Other areas we are going to see warehouses experiencing devastating levels.

(02:50:06):
From layoffs why BECAUSE with ai, and robotification you are
going to end up in a situation where jobs that
were historically done by human beings are going to be done,
by robots and they are going to be done in COMBINATION.
With ai we need to understand that that is a

(02:50:26):
challenge that is coming. Our way it's going to. Be
huge and here's how it relates TO politics a. Simple
question do you want the people in power to be
those with a history of seeking to maximize profits for
multinational corporations and to enrich the billionaires that own, those
corporations or do you want people who have historically been

(02:50:48):
aligned with unions and who want to make sure that
there are protections for working. CLASS folks, i mean that
is the bottom line of our politics going forward in,
this country and it is, a huge, huge issue not
one that we should, casually diminish because the fact of
the matter is we've made a horrible mistake in. This country,

(02:51:12):
we are, you know almost a decade behind in dealing
With The, ai Revolution and germany has been all over
it for the better part of. A decade other countries
around the world are are way ahead of. The curve
we have had successive administrations that have neglected. This issue
biden tried to look at it a. Little bit obama
actually looked at it pretty well at. One point but

(02:51:35):
the fact of the matter is that that because of,
divided governance we never really got. Any place trump is
actually sending exactly the, wrong signals which is to empower
the corporations and the billionaires to an even higher level.
And results don't let anyone lie to you and tell
you that YOU know ai is a you know it's a,

(02:51:56):
fluid issue or it's one that could go one way or,
the other or you'll lose some jobs but you'll gain
some in. Other places no one in the world who
knows ANYTHING about ai would say that. Is true the
REALITY is ai is going to affect our work at
every level and in. Every place and if you don't
have governance that is concerned about making sure that when

(02:52:20):
these changes, are made the working class are. KEPT whole.
I e that we have strategies for maybe shortening the,
work Week as germany is, doing that we have strategies
for creating new systems, for deliveries as you're seeing done
in Not just Germany to spain and other places around.
The world if, you don't if you're not looking at

(02:52:40):
how to SHAPE an ai defined the economy in favor,
of workers then you're going to screw. Workers over it's
as simple. As that AND so i cannot emphasize if
somebody's written books about, these issues people really desperately need
to understand that they're. Political choices in the next cycles

(02:53:04):
in twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six will define
in many many cases whether they have jobs and the
quality of. THOSE jobs, i mean that's what's, at STAKE
and I can't i can't be any more blunt. About
it this is this is absolutely a critical moment and,
you know and it is going to affect. Our politics

(02:53:25):
And if democrats talk about it in the, right way
in the way by the Way, that rocana the Congressman from,
california does and a handful, of others if they wrap
their head around this and really do address these issues
in the, RIGHT way i think they have potential. To
win not as the anti, plump party which is, one

(02:53:45):
thing and that's there's, you know power, in that but
as parity of, the future the party, that says, you,
know look we know how to do an economy that's
going to work for the great mass. Of people give
us power and we will make this. Thing work and
don't give, us power and there's an absolute guarantee people will,
get harmed and they'll be harmed economically in.

Speaker 5 (02:54:07):
Fundamental. Ways, YEAH well i mean there's, no doubt which
is a. Big.

Speaker 19 (02:54:10):
Deal, yeah no just one, last thing which is a.
Big deal there's a Reason why mamdani, is popular and
that is because he is talking about using the power
of government to serve the great mass of people when
you're up AGAINST an ai revolution and all sorts of.
Other challenges that's what the real fight. Is about does

(02:54:35):
government intervene to make sure that policies temper the actions
of both the, national corporations especially the tech corporations In The.
Silicon valley does government do that or does it stand to.
The side trump And the republicans want government to stand
to decide or even engage.

Speaker 5 (02:54:55):
Pre markets do whatever you want with.

Speaker 21 (02:54:56):
The.

Speaker 19 (02:54:57):
Companies, yeah yeah And and i'll tell you if it's,
made clearly if it's made in a way that, people
understand the potential.

Speaker 5 (02:55:09):
Is, great YEAH well I will i will just add
to that a couple. Of things. It's strong the strong
and wrong effort always beats weak. And right so your
your position is, incredibly important but it's how. It's delivered you,
can't be, you know confused, and, say well you know this,
is uh this is something that you got to, really

(02:55:31):
study and you know you can't you can't understand what
WHAT the ai people are. Telling you you have to
be able to educate and communicate at the. Same time,
you know at the at, the, end right you know.
What journalism, you know professors have, Told You, john nichols
because you're a. Great one, you know you've got to
go for the sixth grade, reading level, you know the newspaper. Reading,

(02:55:52):
Level RIGHT and i think that's important.

Speaker 19 (02:55:55):
To people don't, let yeah don't let democrats. Lot you not,
all Democrats most democrats that are on the right side of.
This stuff would you'll get him a core occasional. Corporate
democrats we will, tell you, oh yeah it's all going to. Be,
great right we can find a proper balance on. All
this if somebody says that you're run screaming from, the

(02:56:18):
room because the fact of the matter is choices have to,
be made, that's right.

Speaker 5 (02:56:23):
Choice, MADE hey i want to get something that could
actually be. Or, not, yeah great. Great point one of
the races that may be appearing here on the side
of the workers or more of a corporate democrat Is
In maine platinir Race versus mills In the democratic primary
get to Go. Against collins polls show that fifteen points

(02:56:44):
or So for platinir Ahead of Collins, and mills who's
under fifty approval rating is about neck and neck one
point lead in. One poll your quick thoughts, ON that
i get about. Two minutes the thought of the AREAS
that i Think that platner has a lot more solid

(02:57:07):
support than the mainstream Media and washington operatives are actually
trying to convince people Outside. Of maine your. Quick, Thoughts.

Speaker 19 (02:57:17):
Sure i've spent a lot of Time, in maine And
and I've seen Mills and platner the work that. They,
do look there's a lot of good stuff to be Said.
About jenials, you know she has been an able governor
in a lot. Of. Ways Yea and i'm not going
to beat up on her or, YOU know i think
that she's got things that are positive. About, her, SURE

(02:57:38):
however i will tell you now i'd vote for her
in any other Race, over collins. For sure i'm sure.
You wish but HERE'S what i will. Tell You What
graham platner has Done in maine is. Jaw dropping he
is going out, every night every, single night to towns of,

(02:57:58):
two thousand, three thousand and he's attracting crowds, of, five,
six seven eight. HUNDRED people i mean literal measurable portions
of the population in, some places the number of people
that show up to. See him if It Was New,
york city that'd be a, million folks, you, know. PROPORTIONALLY right,
i mean his what's Happening with platner in, small town

(02:58:19):
rural main is that he is connecting, with people a
lot of whom must have Voted For, donald trump and
a lot of whom Voted For, bernie sanders and a
lot of whom maybe, never voted and he is bringing
them in on a, very progressive very. Aggressive Message and
Democrats in washington get uncomfortable with that because they like

(02:58:41):
our politics to be, very predictable, very gentle.

Speaker 5 (02:58:44):
Very soft.

Speaker 19 (02:58:45):
Well grants sometimes he's got a background that's controversial, at
times and he's, acknowledged that and, YOU know i mean
this is different kind Of but democrats smart What's.

Speaker 5 (02:58:59):
Going yeah but, you know as our Old Friend, alex
siswald who was ON the msnbc, today said, you know
the gap between what he's seeing with his own eyes
and the gap what People in washington are telling them
is like night. And day and you, Were There, john
nichols you. Know it, oh yeah hey you have, Safe

(02:59:20):
travels yeah, You, brother hey Thank You John john nichols
the Best always you two. Save travels my Friend Enjoyed New.
York city we'll be. Right back we're going to go
South to jersey From where. John is that was The
Fantastic john nichols here On The Jeff. Santo show we

(02:59:45):
are staying goodbye. For today we'll be, back tomorrow same,
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