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Now here's Jeff.
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Thank you Kevin, and good afternoon, into my arkins and
welcome to the Jeff Santo Show. It is great to
be with you on this Hunt Day edition Wednesday edition
of the Jeff Santo Show. It's a little cool here
in New England. So I got the sweatshirt slash combination
Bruin's fleece on, so it is going to be a
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lot of hot topics if it's a cool day, right, Well,
we got a lot of stuff going down, of course,
with the decision, with the shutdown and the effects it
has on federal workers. So we're going to talk to
the federal director of the fantastic union whichs have been
a supporter of mine over the years, of the National
Association of Government Employees and Age SCIU and AGE is
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their official name. Lee Sutton, their federal director, will join
us from Washington, d C. At about three point thirty
three Eastern time. We'll get into all the complications and
we're going to continue to do this over the next
few days.
Speaker 12 (07:58):
Folks.
Speaker 19 (07:59):
This shutdown is affecting so many people. The snap folks.
I'll give a lot of credit here to CNN and MSNBC.
They're talking about this issue. This is critical to the
average worker, and this is something that this show and
others will continue. Who understand what is like to live
off of snap off of food stamps and so forth.
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So all those things are very important. And we're going
to be talking again with Lee Sutton coming up at
three point thirty three. Well, it is before Congress. They
are the decision makers. Republicans control the House. They're still
holding on to the fact that Grahalva, the congressman congress
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woman elect, is still not seated yet they say, well,
she can do her duties. Bs that's bs On Johnson,
who's doing the work of mister Trump. Of course, of
the Epstein case, and once that opens up, that may
not be where we are today with the Republican Party
and mister Trump. Lots of stuff that is in those
(09:03):
files that yet to be released, so we'll find out.
I'm going to talk to a good friend of the program,
Representative Jonathan Jackson will join us from Chicago.
Speaker 20 (09:13):
Uh.
Speaker 19 (09:13):
He of course is the Reverend Jesse Jackson's son, and
we are very excited to hear that Reverend Jesse Jackson
is doing well. Of course he has Parkinson's. So we'll
talk to our good friend from Chicago, the Congressman Jonathan Jackson,
will join us at about four oh six Eastern time,
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that's one o six Pacific, and shout out to our
friends at casey AA mark in the gang there in
Sam Bernardino, Greater Los Angeles. Then old friend they used
to be a regular on Wednesday, and hopefully he will
be again. Joe Williams, formerly of the Boston Globe uh
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and uh and also has done some more with Politico
and a few other places now is the managing director
for Word in Black, and as a great African American
journalist that he is, is great to see him with
an organization that respects what he writes and his experiences
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growing up, you know. Just in another person i'd like
to have on a close friend of herb Boyd, who
join us tomorrow, of course, is going to be Kenneth Meeks,
the great journalist who wrote the book Driving While Black.
Joe Williams knows about Walking while Black. I'll tell you
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those stories coming up today at four thirty. Then the
final hour it's Korb and Garvey Foreign Policy Hour here
on the Jeff Santo Show, coming up at five oh six.
Brian Garvey, Mass Piece Action, Deputy Director of Course, Larry Korb,
former Reagan Deputy Defense Secretary under President Reagan, and Casper Weinberger,
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who was the Defense Secretary at the time in the
early eighties and now at the Center for American Progress.
So we get a full show phone number to join
us eight three three five four five five three three three.
Now we're going to make the announcement today, but we
are going to save the music and the celebration in
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all that for either Friday or Monday, because we are
starting on WGHT AM fifteen hundred, New York City, Northern
New Jersey. So excited about being in New York. It's
been a long time since this show has been in
New York City. We were there and I think tenenty eleven,
twenty twelve, so it was it was it's great news
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that is now official. We'll start on Monday from three
to six Eastern time, so we'll be on an afternoon
drive and we're looking forward to being there again on
AM fifteen hundred WGHT. And thank the F and F
boys for putting that deal together. We're really excited about
that starting on Monday, and we'll play all the music
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and so forth. But we get lots of stuff going
on obviously this week in California for Prop fifty, we
got obviously the Mamdani race in New York City, and
there's still stuff in New Jersey and Virginia to be
decided those governors races, and don't forget about Pennsylvania either.
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So there's a lot of stuff, a lot.
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Of things going on, and we're going to try to
be there as much as we can as we look
to expand, you know, in the coming weeks and hopefully
into the beginning of twenty twenty six.
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Here on the Jeff Santo Show. I want to also alert.
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You to a new email that we have and I
thank the A team for going ahead and putting this together.
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And that is.
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A pretty easy one to connect with. But I will
give it to you correctly because I don't want to
make sure that they don't screw this up. It's Jeff
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dot com. So a lot of new changes going on,
you know, look, it's it's it's exciting to expand and
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it's exciting to be in a lot of different big
markets like New York and Los Angeles, San Francisco of course,
but I tell you, you know, the experience that we
have with stations that you know may not have the
big fifty thousand watts signals are extremely important to what
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this show does. And whether it's our friends at w
c AP AM Night eighty which gets from Boston into
New Hampshire, southern New Hampshire, we're looking to have on
Congressman PAPIs he's gonna he's running for Senate. That's an
incredibly important two cities in Manchester and Nashua that CAAP
gets into. And of course we're so excited about being
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on k CIA because the coverage is not only great
in the Innal Empire, they'll be a very important congressional
race in Riverside next year. But it gets into long Beach, Anaheim,
and of course into parts of Los Angeles, which are
really important in South Bay in particular.
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So you know, this is what it is. It takes.
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It takes smaller, mid size, large stations, and we're on
a couple in cal California, as we talked about KABC
in LA and KSFO and San Francisco, but it takes
all of it. And that's a course complimented on our
side by our great a team. On the social media
marketing phase of things, our numbers on Facebook and TikTok
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are up because of the great team we put together,
and we want you to sort of be able to
communicate with us. Starting next week, we probably will have
a text number and we'll talk to our good friend
Sam p about that going forward as we can. We
debut in New York City on Monday. So there's a
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number of things that are going on, all which are exciting,
and you know, it's been a whirlwind over the last
three three and a half weeks, but we're looking forward
to this. Moving into twenty twenty six, we need to
have the Democrats back in power in both the House
and the Senate. We hope to be helpful in making
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sure that that happens to inform voters of what is
at stake. You cannot allow this great democracy about to
celebrate two hundred and fifty years of being a democracy
to just be thrown it all away because one guy
wants to continue to put money that the government should
be having in his pocket and the people that his
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family and other friends of his are doing the same thing.
Speaker 21 (16:25):
That is outrageous and that has to end.
Speaker 19 (16:27):
Seven million people you know, basically told that story when
they went out and protested non violently, peacefully at the
No King's event.
Speaker 21 (16:39):
So what we have here, folks, what we have here is.
Speaker 19 (16:43):
An opportunity to and this this this term has been
used so many times by both Republicans and Democrats.
Speaker 21 (16:51):
Is too peacefully.
Speaker 19 (16:52):
And that's the key word in all this take back
our country from the from the one percent, the billionaires
who of course pay a lot of hate merchants to
do a lot of things to disrupt this country. We
see it on the streets from Los Angeles and Chicago
and so on. And that is not the American way.
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That is a ruthless, bully world that America should never
be part of. That's what happens in dictatorships, whether they're
left or right. You know, whether we're talking about you know, Russia,
which at one time was left now is just a
dictatorship and ideology is out the door. It's a capitalistic country,
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or whether it was Cuba of years ago, or whether
we're talking about elements of Venezuela. The fact is, and
of course orbon and you know, I mean, you can
go on and on and on. The Pinochet government was
as right wing as you could potentially get in Chile.
So there's all of that. To question is is how
do you maintain a citizenry that is concerned about their jobs,
(18:07):
concerned about healthcare, concerned about you know, the benefits that
somebody has. I'll give seeing in credit here they had
some They had a woman on from Maine earlier, and
she was fully employed for a long time, and you know,
she has a child and and you know she had
to go on a staff, you know, just survive. Well,
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it was difficult for her. She was embarrassed at first
and so forth. And there are a lot of people
in that category. And this to me is where America
over the last say, thirty five forty years since Reagan
came in, This whole idea that you're weak, that you know,
(18:53):
you're you're as as the woman who was interviewed said that, oh, well,
you know, they think that people like me, you know,
are are feeding kids donuts and sweets and so forth,
and they're not getting any nutrition. That's all bs. And
you know, again people hit and the federal government workers
and we'll talk to Lee Sutton coming up here in
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about fifteen minutes.
Speaker 21 (19:16):
They are.
Speaker 19 (19:19):
They are the people on the front lines protecting their
their members the again in Age National Association and government employees.
But on top of that, these employees, you know, working
for their federal government is not you know, a five
hundred thousand dollars a year gig.
Speaker 21 (19:40):
It's not a million. It's not a five million. This
is this. These these are folks.
Speaker 19 (19:48):
Forty thousand and sixty thousand, Maybe some make a hundreds,
I'm not exactly sure the whole salary structure, maybe even more,
but they're not they're not multi millionaires.
Speaker 21 (19:58):
Put it that way.
Speaker 19 (20:00):
So when you lay these folks off a couple of
what the news was yesterday of fourteen thousand people a
lot of warehouse workers at Amazon, the average American feels
like they're in a hole and they feel like nobody.
Speaker 21 (20:15):
Is listening to them. And that leads to two things.
Speaker 19 (20:20):
It leads to somebody not wanting to report that they
need help. You know, if you ever hear of, you know,
people who commit suicide, lots of times, they don't tell
anybody that they're feeling.
Speaker 21 (20:36):
Depressed. They don't want to go to a therapist, they
don't want to.
Speaker 19 (20:40):
Go to a doctor at all. And this is the thing.
It's a depressing in the sense of putting down you know,
anybody who wants to connect with help with government to
get economic aid. Some people you know who wouldn't even
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apply for Social Security years ago. I mean, that's pretty
much not the case anymore. A lot I can't get
any I don't want to get any help from anybody.
And of course, you know it's taken out of your
paycheck if you work for a company. But the point
is is that this embarrassment issue is ridiculous. People need
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to help each other. The whole concept of helping each
other is incredibly important. You know, people do this in
New England during snowstorms and the Midwest as well, and
the government is there as a foundation. Think of it
as a pool of money to help that person when
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a hurricane hits. Look what's happening in Jamaica right now,
you know, and you know I don't see President Trump
talking about this. We'll talk with Congressman Jackson about this.
Speaker 21 (21:59):
What should the.
Speaker 19 (22:00):
Role of the of the United States. We saw the
awful response under Trump one to Puerto Rico. Remember that
throwing the paper towels insulting. So it is incredibly important
to understand you know, where it is and how it
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is in this country. So that is the That is
where we're at right now. I want to open up
the phones to UH for you to call in, and
let's go to Stephen in the East Bay. Your first
this hour. Stephen, Welcome to the Jeff Santo Show. Hope
(22:45):
you're feeling better, my friend.
Speaker 22 (22:47):
I'm almost there, feeling still a little tired, but nonetheless
one of the best shows on radios. I wanted to
call in. My question to you is you're welcome.
Speaker 23 (22:59):
So I've been doing a.
Speaker 22 (23:00):
Lot of research going back in time with a civil
rights movement, and it seemed to me the answer for
us is a general strike. The Children's March in nineteen
sixty three in Birmingham, it galvanized thousands of young folk
and then it just spread across the nation with the
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lunch counter protest. When are we going to do something
similar in terms of having a general strike to wake
everyone up? Because I don't see I don't see any
hope at the moment, and if you do, please, I'd
love to hear your input.
Speaker 19 (23:36):
Thank you, Thank you, Steven, and again feel better well. Yesterday,
Melissa Tomlinson, our great guest on Tuesdays on Teacher Tuesday,
is the executive director of Badass Teachers, brought up exactly that.
Speaker 21 (23:52):
Stephen.
Speaker 19 (23:53):
She brought up the idea that we need the general
strike in twenty twenty eight, you know, again our friends
in France, and again the more we'll talk about this
today with Larry Corby and Brian Garvey, we'll try to
get it in there. We don't usually get into that
part of it, but a lot of European countries they
have general strikes. The French can shut down Paris, you know,
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in ten minutes. As an example. It is important to,
in my opinion, open up that conversation.
Speaker 12 (24:25):
I was at a rally in.
Speaker 21 (24:27):
Twenty twenty two.
Speaker 19 (24:28):
I believe with Bernie Sanders, Sean O'Brien of the Teamsterirs
and a couple of other folks too, And one of
the things that was brought up there was Sarah Nelson
of the Flight Attendance Union brought it up.
Speaker 21 (24:45):
And that is a general strike. Now that didn't happen
in you know, in the last three years, but you
go to have a real.
Speaker 19 (24:54):
You know, climax in twenty twenty eight is whether or
not Trump will leave, you know, because his term would
be up at the end of January of twenty nine.
You also have an election that year. If we have
an election, We're going to talk to Greg Palace on
Friday about that. And so, you know, there's all those
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pieces that I think people are talking about it. I
think people understand that there needs to be more pressure.
And there's seven million people who came out on the
No King's Day events across the country. I think it's
just another example that they're sick and tired. As the
old African American proverbs says, sick and tired of being
sick and tired. And I think that that is the
(25:38):
case regardless of your African American, Latino, Caucasian, Asian, whatever
the case may be. So I think that is probably
something that is for a lot of progressives and a
lot of people in general. You know, that may be
the avenue because there again they're really frustrated, and that's
being kind with how the government has run. And again,
(26:03):
I am a Democrat. People know that I'm a progressive Democrat.
But you know, for the most part, this has been
Republicans on steroids and some Democrats unfortunately have gone along
with them, notably people like Bill Clinton and others. And
this is, in my opinion, where you need to change.
And Bernie Sanders has brought some change. He needs to
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get more allies inside the establishment of the Democratic Party,
and if he does, I think it could be a
win win. So that's how I look at it, my friend,
and I think it's right for to bring it up,
and I think it's a healthy thing. You know, again,
the Europeans have done this for years. They don't fall apart.
In fact, they provide more stability because of unions cradle
(26:49):
to grave. You know, they're not cutting snap, they're not
doing things that destroy the foundation that's been built for
you know, eighty ninety years, whatever.
Speaker 21 (26:58):
The case may be.
Speaker 19 (26:59):
And them, a lot of them, as Michael Moore, the
great you know filmmaker, has said they have followed the
FDR model, you know, after he died in forty five.
A lot of these countries, from folks in France to
Iceland have all continued the FDR way. We need to
(27:20):
do that right here in the United States of America.
Appreciate the call, Stephen. I hope that helps.
Speaker 22 (27:26):
You're welcome, Thank you.
Speaker 21 (27:28):
No, thank you.
Speaker 19 (27:30):
Stephen of course a big Dodgers fan, so he's got
a big game tonight in Los Angeles, the Blue Jays
one after the Dodgers and Freddie Freeman had a fantastic
eighteen inning game with the Blue Jays and Freddie free
as our friend Mark de Rosa, who should be a
manager in MLB, you know, would call him former Atlanta
(27:54):
Brave Freddie Freeman, and was just a clutch hit in
the eighteenth inning. I didn't watch because it was like
four o'clock in the morning here in the East Coast,
but for those West Coast Dodger fans, they were very excited.
So now we go to Game five and the series
ships back to Canada, which of course is not very happy.
If you heard Doug McLean in the show A couple
(28:15):
of weeks ago, the former Florida Panthers coach. He still
lives in the Winters and the winner of Well, he
lives in South Florida. In the Winners he goes and
lives in Prince Edward Island where he grew up in Canada,
and he's stuck in the middle between the hate of
(28:38):
the world of Trump and people in Canada who just
are so angry at mister Trump that it becomes really problematic.
You know, for someone like Doug, who's probably more of
a middle of the road Republican. Of course, he's done
very well as an HL coach general manager, and you
(29:01):
know he looks at this as just there's no reason
it should have happened. And now they're doing doubling down
because the premiere of Ontario not basically an our version
of an American governor, you know, put up an ad
with featuring Ronald Reagan. You know, it's this kindergarten stuff,
(29:22):
you know, I mean, they don't play with my toys.
Speaker 21 (29:24):
It's that kind of stuff. That's the sad part.
Speaker 19 (29:26):
But that's the reality we face, all right, Our good
friendly Sutton joins us on the other side. Your tune
in to the Jeff Santo Show. Be right back after
this time out.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Okay, see a.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
A okay, hold on, I'm getting something here. Breaking news
out of California tonight. The results are in and voters
have just passed Crop fifty. What this is a major
le Donald Thomas to power earlier.
Speaker 10 (30:05):
Stop the time list because this is the house Carl
did Trump investigative for corruption even Captain files.
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You want to stick it to Trump? Vote yes on
Prop fifty.
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I hate California with sixty years of fascinating facts.
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Speaker 21 (33:18):
So far, thirty three minutes past the hour.
Speaker 19 (33:38):
It is the Jeff Santos Show that you aren't tuned
into coming. You lie from the South coast. You're in
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. We are going to go down
to the nation's capital and speak with Lee Blackman.
Speaker 21 (33:58):
She again is representative from NAGE.
Speaker 19 (34:01):
She is an important piece of our conversation today in
terms of what is happening with the shutdown and what
is happening to workers like federal government workers, and that
to me is the important part. She is the federal
director for n AGE s CiU. Great great friend David
(34:23):
Holloway and the rest of the folks there of the
Jeff santo Show, and they did a lot for me,
and I am very happy to bring Lee to the
Jeff Santo Show for the first time. Lee, it's great
to have you here. Thank you for participating in the
Jeff Santo Show and alerting our listenership to and viewers.
(34:45):
Of course, you can go to the Jeff Santoshow dot
com and actually watch the show. And Lee has been
kind enough to get his to have her on video.
So we're very much excited about this interview. Lee, So
talk to me about the stories that you are reading about.
(35:06):
I see the video of federal government workers in soup lines,
waiting in lines not to buy, you know, a trip
to the Bahamas or you know, to go out and
buy a maserati, but they're they're basically surviving. This is
(35:27):
survival time for so many, hundreds of thousands of folks.
Talk to me about what the stories you're hearing and
what is at stake for so many Americans right now.
Speaker 28 (35:37):
Absolutely, Jeff, I want to thank you for this opportunity
to be on today and of course provide a platform
for the over one hundred thousand workers that we represent
here at age. Of those over seventy five thousand federal workers,
and a number of them of course, are right in
(35:58):
the Greater Boston area working at your Department Affectors Affairs,
your of course, Department of Defense, Army, Navy, air Force.
So we thank you for this opportunity. And as you said,
and most of us of course realize that, and there's
no secret many of us do live paycheck to paycheck,
(36:18):
and those of us that do have savings of any
sort of course, unfortunately they're just not able to sustain
us for what we're seeing right now, going into what
almost thirty days of a government shut down. So right
now our members are reporting this is they're going on
their second of course, without their second paycheck. And I
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don't care who you are and what you do. And
of course the administration would like to purport that federal
workers are lazy or they're wasteful. They're not, of course
work there you know, their salaries, whatever their salary is.
Of course, all of us really want the same thing.
We want to be able to pay our mortgage, live comfortably,
(37:04):
of course, send our kids to school, live in nice neighborhoods,
and afford a decent quality of life. So yes, that's
what's happening right now. The reports that you're receiving, they're
not inflated. We right now, day in and day out,
are working together with local state government and of course
nonprofit organizations, trying to identify resources, basic resources for our members,
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for federal workers generally, these are the individuals who donate
to these fool things are the ones now who are
standing in line. So what we're doing is working with
organizations to make sure that they can do the very
basic thing that we take for granted, going to get
a cup of coffee from Starbucks in the morning, that's
not an option. Those moneies are now making sure that
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they can put gas in tank and then of course
trying to find a way to make sure they can
put a hot meal on the table at the end
of the day. And that's the reality of it right now.
And this is happening day in and day out, and
we're approaching what a very big holiday season coming up.
What does that look like to them?
Speaker 19 (38:09):
Yeah, exactly is it empty under the Christmas tree or
any other ornament, whatever religion you celebrate, it's going to
be empty. And that is a sad thing, particularly for
young children, you know, if this continues. Now, look, we'll
be talking to Congressman Jonathan Jackson from Chicago in the
(38:32):
next hour, and you know, we're gonna ask him his
thoughts about to shut down and to ask him about
his thoughts about you know, what is happening here to
people in this country. You know, this is something that,
in my opinion, it should never have happened. You know,
Donald Trump has come in with this anti government viewpoint
that you guys are all lazy and you don't do anything,
(38:54):
and you're overpaid. And as I said at the top
in my commentary, this is all yes, because people who
are federal government workers, people who work for state government,
people who you know, work at municipal government. These are
people who are not making multimillion dollars. These are people
who working long hours make sure the trains run on time,
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to make sure that your benefits get sent in a
check form or direct deposited, you know, whatever it might be.
You know, and and the audacity of a billionaire who
who never you know, lived in modest incomes, you know,
to do this, it's just outrageous. But this is this
(39:38):
is Donald Trump, this is the Republican Party of today
and and so forth. So I guess how do we
get to you know, if you want to talk about
second base how do we get to the point where
we can get an agreement. I understand Lindsay Graham today
had talked about after the election on November fourth, next Tuesday,
which hopefully the Democrats in my view speak for me,
(40:00):
not you, that that they will sweep and this will
be an embarrassment going forward for the Republicans and they'll
come to the table and the Democrats have to come
to the table as well. What is your hope because
I can only imagine my next question after this is,
you know, how long do we have that people can
(40:20):
hold out? I mean, you can only borrow so much
from your friends and family and then what leep?
Speaker 28 (40:27):
Yeah, great question. So a lot there to unpack, and
it is unfortunate. There's so much that's going on to
what I would say, distract the American people from the
core issues that are happening. But right now we know
the Republicans are trying to spend the shut down as
the Democrat the Democrats fault, and the truth is, and
(40:49):
we understand the basis of this, the Democrats are fighting
to prefit an astronomical increase in America's healthcare premium next year,
and of course that's just going to add insult to
injury to these same individuals who are out of work
right now. The right to affordable health care should be
a right of all, not just of the wealthy. Now,
(41:10):
of course, the question is what do we do to
get to second base. We have to Congress has to,
the Republicans have to, and the Democrats have to come
to reach a bipartisan, of course, continuing resolution that of
course reopens the government. I for one, of course, a family,
a mother of four, we have fortunately a two income family,
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but we're seeing these costs and we know that, of
course what's going to happen. Of course, we need to
be able to send our kids to the dentists, be
able to get that preventive care taken care of. We
understand the long term effects of not having affordable health care.
So this is a very important issue that is important
to of course, many of the voters that are out there,
(41:54):
and what we need to do is, of course pass
a bill. But the voters are going to have to
pay attention to what's going on, not of course way
on the on the sideline, and take their democratic right
to vote more important than we've been doing in the past.
If the only way we're going to make a difference
is to do so at the polls. That is, by far,
(42:17):
these primaries that are coming up are probably, and we've
said it before, they're the most important in history. These
primaries are by far the most important in our history.
So we need our voters to come out. But right now,
what we need Congress to do is pass a bill
that gets thought to the betterment of all American people,
(42:38):
not just some. And of course it needs to include
affordable healthcare. So we need the government open. You're correct,
I don't know how much longer these workers can go
without pay. And of course we're already seeing disruptions. We're
already seeing we were present SAA workers. They are required
(43:02):
to go to work each and every day. You can't
take a furlough notice to the gas station to get
put gas.
Speaker 12 (43:07):
In your car.
Speaker 28 (43:08):
You can't take furlough notice to the grocery store to
buy groceries. And these are those basics, every day, fundamental
essential that all of us need. So we really need
to give thought to that. We really need to give
thought to those hardcore issues. And we asked, you know,
the parties to come together.
Speaker 12 (43:26):
Please.
Speaker 19 (43:28):
We're talking with Lee Blackman again Federal director at s
CiU and age of course U s ci Ahe headquartered
in Quincy, Massachusetts, and of course with offices around the country,
including Washington, d C. Where where Lee joins us from today.
Talk to me a little bit and want to open
up the phone lines at eight three three five four
(43:49):
five five three three three and we'll go to john
and Minnesota in a minute. But I want to I
want to ask you this, so we get a compromise.
As I said, you know, Lindsey Graham and I'm SNBC said,
you know, maybe we'll sit down and we'll have a
meaning in all this. But you know what happens if
they say, all right, well we'll get another couple of
(44:12):
weeks and then we'll have another shut down right before Christmas.
I mean what if they give you sort of you know,
half measures, then.
Speaker 28 (44:21):
What at this point I think that I don't think
the American people want to have measures. We need Congress
to do what they were elected to do and have
some meaningful discussions, not just kick the can down the road.
I think that will only add insul to injury. It
may be a very small, short lived reprieve. Employees, may
(44:44):
you know, get paid. We don't know right now. We've
heard reports that, of course the administration wants to remake
on the twenty nineteen Act, that of course requires by
law them to pay these furlow workers back pay, But
that's up in the air. Are they going to make
good on their word? So that would be a temporary
repriet that will of course get them just one more month,
(45:07):
But that's not really doing the job.
Speaker 17 (45:09):
Is that.
Speaker 28 (45:12):
Our American dollars working the way that they're supposed to
be working. Is that Congress being held accountable to do
the work that they've been elected to do. And of
course what everyone continues to say is it is truly
just unfair that these into elected officials are receiving pay. Wow,
that average job's citizen is not. So something has to give,
(45:34):
something has to change. We need meaningful discussion, We need
to have some really deep conversations about what all of America,
not just some of America needs given.
Speaker 19 (45:47):
We're speaking with Lee Blackman, Federal Director of seiun Age.
Phone number to join us is eight three three five
four five five three three three. Let's go to Minnesota.
Talk to our good friend John in Minneapolis. Your next
with Lee Blackman of sei un AGE. That's again International
Association of Government Employees. So go right to HEDG John.
Speaker 29 (46:11):
Yeah, it's really repulsive when you consider that they're sending
money to Brazil to bail them out. I think it's
eighty billion dollars. They're violating the Sack the Hatch Act
by on the us DA website saying that it's the
(46:32):
Democrat's fault that there is a shutdown, which is absolutely
absolutely false. They could end the shutdown at any time.
That's just, you know, just an out and out lie.
Speaker 23 (46:47):
You know.
Speaker 29 (46:48):
So there's a lot of things going on, and at
the same time that they're not showing up to work,
but they're getting paid. People like the air traffic controllers
and the TSA workers, UH cannot you know, they are
not furloughed. They're they're going to be there without pay.
(47:08):
And then he has the audacity to turn around and say, well,
I'm not going to pay their back pay, you know,
and all of this in the end is going to
cost us more money.
Speaker 23 (47:18):
Uh.
Speaker 29 (47:19):
And then they'll try to blame the Democrats.
Speaker 20 (47:22):
For the shutdown.
Speaker 29 (47:23):
We'll just you know, persist on with it, uh, using
their propaganda channels that they're really good at using and
that you know, they they propagandas to the American people.
Speaker 20 (47:36):
So that's all I have to say.
Speaker 19 (47:38):
No, I appreciate it very much, John Lee Blackman, your
your thoughts on what John has to say. They will
take another call from Mark in San Francisco.
Speaker 21 (47:47):
Actually a Union member is Mark?
Speaker 12 (47:50):
Go great ahead, Miss Blackman.
Speaker 28 (47:52):
Yeah, So John's absolutely right. I couldn't agree with them more.
It's it's insulting. It's really insulting, and the fat that
and of course we don't I don't want to get
down to the leaves of it. But sending money, you know,
to another country where we of course could be using
that you know here, it is, it just adds insult
(48:14):
to injury. We need Congress to of course come together,
have a bipartisan continued revolution that provides what the people need,
and of course they need to be able to go
back to work. But of course we all need affordable
healthcare and that's the core of the issue here and
we know that.
Speaker 19 (48:34):
Uh, it is, it's you know, it's it's just really
embarrassing as as as an American, as a citizen of
the world, Uh, to do this. We have so much
money with the richest country in the world. Uh, we
have billionaires, you know, you know buying you know, fifteen
yachts and you know, twenty houses and you know, Maseraties
and Lamborghinis and everything else just as toys. And we
(48:55):
got people who worked for this government for years who
are going to soup lines super line.
Speaker 12 (49:03):
I agree with it.
Speaker 21 (49:05):
It really is.
Speaker 20 (49:06):
All right.
Speaker 19 (49:06):
Let's go to Mark in the great city of San Francisco,
the city by the Bay. You're an next with Lee Blackman. Mark,
go right ahead, my friend.
Speaker 30 (49:15):
Yeah, you know, I just want to say to your
guests that hang in there. I mean, the workers in
this country are taking a beating by the Republican Party
in Trump and I just hope that this can be
exploited all over the United States of what this administration
is doing to hard working people who are basically just
(49:37):
want to make a living in this country. And you
have a Republican Party that seems to just want to
enrich Trump and his friends. And I think we really
need to hammer home the fact the Republican Party does
not represent the American people or the working people in
this country, and that you know, we got to vote.
Speaker 20 (49:56):
Them all out.
Speaker 30 (49:56):
I mean, they shouldn't get a vote for what they're
doing to this country right now. They basically are they're
not coming to work. What is this a welfare plan
for the Republican Party?
Speaker 20 (50:09):
I mean, the.
Speaker 30 (50:11):
Mainstream media is letting these people get away with doing
this to hard working Americans. It's a crime.
Speaker 19 (50:20):
Lee, Our good friend Mark is a good friend of
the program, good friend of yours truly worked in labor
in San Francisco at the San Francisco Chronicle and the
printing area.
Speaker 21 (50:31):
He understands this.
Speaker 19 (50:32):
He understands what it's like, you know, and you know,
if you get laid off and what the next choices are,
They're not very good. And I'm wondering if you're hearing
from people, Lee that are non union but you know,
go to the same coffee shop, but go to the
same restaurants that your members do.
Speaker 21 (50:52):
And are they.
Speaker 19 (50:53):
Speaking out and saying, you know, I don't want to
be part of this. You know, I'm going to vote,
you know, you know my conscience on November fourth this year,
and I'm going to do it again in November of
twenty six. Is that something that's bubbling up, you know?
Because I think if seven million people are coming out.
It's not a bunch of you know, progressive Democrats. This
(51:15):
is this is a massive amount of people who are
just sick and tired again being sick and tired.
Speaker 28 (51:21):
Absolutely, Jes you're spot on with that, and you're correct.
So I don't care where you go at the coffee shop,
if you're at the bus stop now dropping your kids
off at the bus stop, getting them to school. It's
what everyone is talking about. You can't escape it. Either
they are a federal worker, they know someone as a
federal worker, or their neighbor, aunt, uncle, someone is a
(51:43):
federal worker, and they're seeing it, they're seeing the impacts.
Speaker 23 (51:46):
Of it firsthand.
Speaker 28 (51:48):
We all know what happened during the election. The administration
ran on a lot of fake propaganda, a lot of
untruth basic just lies, and of course they got the vote.
But I think the American people are paying attention. I think,
of course the reports that receiving people are disgusted, they're more,
they're they're hurt, they're disgusted, and they're mad. And you
(52:11):
do see as the numbers that you've talked about. I
had the privilege and opportunity and listening in on the
show a little earlier and You're right. The numbers that
are coming out on these No King marches I think
are paramount to what we can expect come the next election. People,
I think their eyes are open now. They're paying attention
to what's really going on, and they are going to
(52:33):
see what's right. There's a lot of promises that the
administrating administration made that they're just from nigging on. And
the biggest one of all is the fact that these
to no fault of their own, these furlough woke workers,
to threaten not to pay them because of their so
called political affiliations.
Speaker 12 (52:49):
It's just consulting, it is.
Speaker 21 (52:52):
It's disgusting, really.
Speaker 19 (52:54):
I mean, you know, you know you learn you know
when when I was in school time ago. Uh but
you know in the seventies, you know, you learned about,
you know, the way government is put together. You know,
this is a bill that ABC after school special kind
of thing, you know, and this is not the way Yeah, okay,
(53:16):
there you go.
Speaker 21 (53:17):
This is not the way it was envisioned.
Speaker 19 (53:20):
And we are taking a wrecking ball to government and
that just like what you're seeing with the East Room
of the White House, this is what he's doing to
this country. Mister Trump and that to me is a
perfect symbolic effort, and I'm glad that the the AP
photographers and others that have taken video and photographs have
(53:41):
shown that it's disgusting. All Right, one more call for Lee.
Let's go to Tom in Los Angeles. You are next
on the Jeff Santio Show with Lee Blackman again, Federal
director of SEIU n AGE, that's National Association of Government Employees.
Speaker 12 (53:55):
Go right ahead, Tom Well.
Speaker 31 (53:59):
First, way ultimately out of the government, and we must
never forget that. And second, we must get money out
of politics so we store our government back to lead
the people. I think it should be said every single
second that the Congress people are getting paid, they should
(54:19):
not be getting paid. And I would think that's somewhere
we could find some five partisan agreement with the average
American people out there saying that the Congress people should
not be getting paid. They're the ones that they're causing
this whole problem. Therefore they should not get paid for
their job. I mean, that's just the bottom line, and
I think everybody could agree upon that. I think the
other thing, you know, I always say when it comes
(54:41):
to Congress that you know, bipartisan means that both parties
are being bought out by the same donors.
Speaker 20 (54:47):
But I will.
Speaker 31 (54:48):
Say that that you know, by partisan, let's find by
partisans for the American people. The bipartisan from an America
and people would be a national healthcare system, bipartisan for
people in the in the country seventy pc of the
country would be gun safety laws. Bipartisans for the people
(55:12):
would be to get money out of politics completely.
Speaker 20 (55:15):
Well, we don't.
Speaker 31 (55:16):
We don't listen to the to the American people. We
just basically listened to the.
Speaker 20 (55:20):
We're worried about and they don't.
Speaker 21 (55:21):
We're worried about, Tom.
Speaker 19 (55:23):
You know, by saying that African American people or Latino
people are the problem and that people who are who
are trans, or who are gay are the problem. That's
what you get from this government. That's what you get
from the Republican Party. That's what you get from Donald Trump.
And this is what we have in America in twenty
twenty five. You're spot on, Tom, you get it, you
(55:45):
understand it, you see it. Unfortunately, you know in your
community and many communities that you are part of, it's
it's really discussing only I want you to bring in
your perspective here. Tom is one of our regular callers
and really understands this issue of lack of communication by
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government leaders and of course in some cases by Democrats,
who are the party that's supposed to represent the underdog,
the working class and so forth. And sometimes they do,
but sometimes they can't communicate that message.
Speaker 12 (56:16):
At the same time, I agree.
Speaker 28 (56:18):
With you, we got to do a better job.
Speaker 21 (56:20):
We all have to.
Speaker 28 (56:20):
We all have to do our part. We all do,
and I appreciate everything Tom said. He's spot on, And
I'll just say this, every person, regardless of income, occupation,
or social status, deserves the opportunity to receive necessary medical
care without the fear of financial hardship.
Speaker 23 (56:38):
They all do.
Speaker 28 (56:39):
And with the most disheartening is these federal employees are
not political ponds. Every time there's a shutdown threat, it's
their livelihoods, their families, and the public they serve that
are put at risk. All of us we all want to,
of course get on a flight and of course have
the ease that the individuals that are securing us are,
(57:00):
of course in the right mindset. I believe you said
the flight attendants president Union president spoke to this, the harm.
Speaker 23 (57:07):
That that risk.
Speaker 28 (57:09):
We know what's going on. We know what happens when
people are operating under a high level of stress, and
that's what we're seeing right now. This administration's move to
weaponize a shutdown by cutting jobs permanently is just cruel
and reckless, and it has nothing to do with, of course,
helping and uplifting our country as a whole. It's very
(57:30):
self centered, it's very intentional, and we know exactly what
it's for. I think the question that, of course, a
lot of individuals need to ask is the Republicans, of
course continue as an attempt to spend the of course
the shutdown is we believe that this ties back to privatization,
(57:53):
which one of Trump's buddies will get the contract the
services once. Of course, a lot of things are contracted out,
so of course we all know this, and we've reported
it before. The federal personnel makes up approximately six percent
of the federal budget. But the majority of the American
people don't realize this, and they continue to say that
(58:13):
it's waste, fraud and abuse. We know where the true waste,
fraud and abuse is coming in. How is it that
the White House can move forward with, of course building
this marvelous ballroom. But of course we can't pay the
American people. It's a shame. It's not what, of course,
our constitution stands for. It is not what we should
(58:34):
stand for. And the voters need to of course make their,
of course decision very clear, not just this November the fourth,
but the upcoming primaries and in every election. So thank you,
Jeff so much for this opportunity. We stand shoulder to
shoulder with all of our members across the country. Please
hang in there. Please know that without a doubt we
(58:56):
are going to today, tomorrow and moving forward do everything
that we can to continue to advocate for the hard
working people. We want to just of course take this
opportunity to really, of course give a big shout out
to those federal workers who are getting up every day,
showing up and doing their very best job.
Speaker 21 (59:18):
Uh lid be good about thirty seconds.
Speaker 19 (59:20):
Here is there an address website that people can go
to that need help and also that people can help
those members.
Speaker 28 (59:29):
Absolutely so on our website, Thank you very much. Perfect
question WWWN Federaldivision dot org. We have resources for federal
workers there. We also, of course are publicizing resources for
our members across the country based upon the based upon
their area. So, Jeff, I want to thank you for
this opportunity, thank you for giving a platform for federal workers,
(59:50):
and thank you for all the work that you're doing.
Speaker 19 (59:52):
Thank you, my pleasure. Lee Blackman, Federal Director SEIU and age.
Keep on fighting peacefully. We'll be right back here.
Speaker 21 (59:58):
It's Jeff Santos.
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Jerome Powell says another interest rate cut in December is
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In the near term, risks to inflation are tilted to
the upside and risks to employment to the downside. A
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Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
This after the Central Bank lowered interest rates by a
quarter percentage point today. It marked the second straight interest
rate cut. Powell acknowledged the government shutdown impacted the decision
making process due to the limits of available data. The
benchmark rate is now in a range of three point
seventy five percent four percent. The fedce cut has a
trickle down effect on consumers, lowering mortgage, credit card, and
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In South Korea.
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Investors hope Trump will cap his five day trip to
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world's two largest superpowers have been unable to reach a
deal since the start of Trump's second term. Trump announced
a new trade deal with South Korea earlier today. There's
no end in sight, with the government's shut down now
on its twenty ninth day. The thirteenth effort to end
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to vote on the measure today. Food assistance benefits are
also set to expire for millions of Americans this weekend.
Hurricane Melissa is heading to the Bahamas. The storm brought
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The Crown jewels stolen from the louver have not yet
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Blue Jays broke the game open with a four run
seventh beat the Dodgers six to in Game four of
the World Series. Shane Bieber pitched five and a third
of one run. Ball manager John Schneider says Bieber rose
to the occasion.
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Shoe Hey Otani charged with the loss, also when zero
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The Saints have named rookie Tyler Shuck their starting quarterback.
Will make his first NFL start Sunday against the Rams.
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This is the Jeff Santo Show on the Revolution Radio Network,
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Speaker 8 (01:06:42):
Now here's Jeff.
Speaker 19 (01:06:56):
It is our two with the Jeff Santio Show, and
welcome to it, folks. Coming to you live from the
South coast here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. You know,
many years ago I had the opportunity to both interview
and sit down with Reverend Jesse Jackson. He has not
only been an impact on my life, but he has
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become a major figure over the last say forty years
in this country's history, and it is so important that
his legacy has continued. He, as you know, is suffering
from Parkinson's been doing very well and has produced a
wonderful family, including his son, Jonathan. Jonathan Jackson is the
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congressman from a great city of Chicago, and of course
is representing Illinois in the United States House Representatives, and
he joins us on the phone from Chicago. I believe
maybe he's in Washington, but it's great to have again
Congressman Jonathan Jackson here on the Jeff Santo Show. It's
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been a long time. Thank you, sir for joining us.
Really important day to talk about all of these major
issues going on. Appreciate you coming on the program.
Speaker 20 (01:08:15):
Thank you, Jeff. I appreciate your work.
Speaker 33 (01:08:17):
And my father gives his greetings as well as my sister.
Speaker 20 (01:08:21):
Keep up the great work. Glad to see you doing well,
my friend.
Speaker 21 (01:08:26):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 19 (01:08:27):
It was great to see you last year at the
Democratic Convention in your home city of Chicago, and look
forward to continue to keep fighting, as I say, fighting peacefully,
and we have so much to fight peacefully on. I mean,
just get off the phone with our good friends, you know,
from the National Association of Government Employees, and you know,
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it's just heartening to hear people who you know, had
a paycheck, we'd go to Starbucks, live a middle class life,
and now are at lines. And when we talked to
Lee Blackman, Federal director of the National Association of Government Employees,
that's what they're facing. There are people who have snap
benefits that are cut off, you know. I mean Donald
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Trump has basically taken a recon ball that we see
on television to the East wing of the White House
and destroyed everything that your father and Franklin Delan and
Roosevelt and Barack Obama all fought for. And it's you know,
it's been nine months of pure hell for the American people.
Speaker 21 (01:09:34):
Your thoughts about where we.
Speaker 19 (01:09:36):
Are today, Congressman, in this mess that was once a
great country and is slipping you know by the hour,
your thoughts, sir.
Speaker 33 (01:09:52):
I would tell you it is a great country. We're
dealing with a person that's out of step, out of tune,
which we're the American people are mister Trump has won
by the margin of despair, and let this be a
lesson learned. We're going to regain the mantle and be
able to drive this ship. Don't forget that. I believe
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missus Harris, Ye Servant Harris had seventy seven seventy eight
million votes. He might've had seventy eight seventy nine million votes.
It was only one point five million vote margin. It
was eight hundred vote margin difference. In the seven swing states,
ninety million people did not vote. He won by a
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margin of despair. So it was time for us to
come back out a retool. We have to overwhelm the
poll with voter registration and come out and vote. They're
going to do everything they can to try to steal
this election because they can't win straight up at the
voting box. They want to do the redistricting, the remapping.
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We were just three votes, shy of I think a
different Speaker of the House that would have been Leader
High King Jeffries. But because they took three seats out
of the state of North Carolina. North Carolina was voting
fifty to fifty. They've got fourteen congressional seats and it
was seven to seven. After they did a mid decade redistricting.
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They took out three Democrats that came up with me
in one hundred and eighteenth Congress and Caffy Manning and
Jeff Jackson and mister Wiley. So we have the margins,
the people overwhelming on our side. And mister Trump, you know,
some people were baffled in food they thought they were
voting and their economic interests. And he is going to
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prove to be that he is economically inept. His policies
will fail. They're crashing down as we speak right now
after November first hits because of this Republican shut down.
The Republicans have the keys to power. He has the
power to pote, to tear down or the wing of
the White House. He has a power to get forty
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billion dollars without any congressional approval to Argentina. He has
a power to whimsically put on and off teriffs. He
can't say he doesn't have the power to open up
the government. It's not true. And so we're on the
right side. We're gonna win this battle. And why do
we have to stay in this battle? Because they have
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taken the subsidies away from medicaid. He's gonna prove our point. Unfortunately,
people are gonna see their insurance skyrocket in the next
two days. People have already started saying it. We see
that pain every day. People's bills are going up one
hundred percent and two hundred percent.
Speaker 20 (01:12:43):
It's wrong.
Speaker 33 (01:12:44):
And they have the money in the contingency fund to
put food in the SNAP program the excess they don't
want to. He said, it's gonna have a lot of
pain in blue states. He's trying to create this problem
so exactly resists and keep telling your story.
Speaker 21 (01:13:03):
I mean, it's just outrageous.
Speaker 19 (01:13:04):
We're talking again with Congressman Jonathan Jackson here on the
Jeff Santo Show, representing the great City of Chicago. Of course,
he's the son of the fantastic civil rights leader, iconic leader,
Reverend Jesse Jackson. Let me just say this, you know,
I can't, for the life believe me that people are
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going to just sit back and take this, you know,
abuse that is incredibly horrific. When you when you see
people in soup lines, when you see people that you know,
just trying to to stay above ground in a sense
because they don't have enough to eat and they don't
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have a place to live, you know, as the individual
ran from mayor a few years ago in New York said,
the rent is too damn high. But there's no there's
no solutions from mister Trump and the Republican Party to
the rent or the healthcare or anything. They just want
to cut and basically allow people to fend for themselves.
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Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Of course nobody has
bootstraps anymore, so you can't even do that. So, you know,
I just look at this and you know, it's it's
just deplorable where things stand. And at the same time,
I see seven million people come out on the No
Kings events all around this country, and I see that
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in I sensed, well, that's the America that I know
that I'm proud of to be an American, and I
think that that is a a hope.
Speaker 21 (01:14:38):
And I want to get your thoughts.
Speaker 19 (01:14:40):
If you looked at the people that came out in Chicago,
you know, hundreds of thousands of people in your great city,
one of the greatest cities in the world, and you
know you have Trump going in there with military troops,
and you know he doesn't go into you know, the
neighborhoods to help, you know, to help them with with
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HUD or to help them with with food, or to
figure out ways they go in with stormtroopers.
Speaker 21 (01:15:07):
What's good is that? What is that? What help can
you get.
Speaker 19 (01:15:10):
In the south side or in the West side or
places where people are fighting just to stay ahead against
the poverty level.
Speaker 21 (01:15:19):
It's it's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 19 (01:15:20):
I don't know what he could actually or some of
his representatives because he's not there, you know, would tell you,
or or tail Mayor Johnson, or tell Governor Pritzker.
Speaker 21 (01:15:30):
You know what is it's it's nothing but a photo op.
Speaker 19 (01:15:36):
And it's it's one that is basically like Donald Trump
himself is an empty vessel your thoughts about how to
overcome this again trying to distract Americans from the real
issues of the day.
Speaker 33 (01:15:56):
He is the master at distraction. His economic policies are failing.
He raises the terrorists on our number one trading partner, China.
China is the largest purchaser of soybeans and Illinois that's
one of our that's our largest crop. And so simply
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they found an alternative place they could buy soybeans. Although
further away from Brazil, so they went to Brazil. They
made a reasonable economic choice. Then he goes on and
gives a forty billion dollar lifeline to a country that's
economically insignificant to the United States, Argentina, that has a
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right wing want to be dictator, and he gives him
a political lifeline and endorses a man that has created
an economic disaster in his own country. And then they
dropped their tariffs with China and sell the barges of
soybeans to China. And we have toy beans that are
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backed up in Illinois, Indiana, and Iowa. We've shut down
being able to sell almost twenty to thirty billion dollars
of soy beans to our number one trading partner. It's
going to prove to be economically inept. I tell people
stay and courage. We are going through a tough time.
We are going to survive. His policies are going to fail.
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It's going to be some temporary sub backs, but you're
going to see the best of people in the worst
of times. And the best of people we're gonna have
to see is turning towards each other, turning to be
a neighbor and not turning on each other. So I
don't want people to feel food insecure. We don't need
to do any stealing. None of that is necessary. People
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are going to be hungry. So ask a neighbor if
I can give you something. I'm looking for this to
be a breakthrough moment to see the best in people
in the worst of times. We will win and he
will failinue to fail, and he's gonna continue to try
mass distraction, blowing up boats and with Venezuela, trying to
have a provacation there, putting troops on the streets in
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American cities, tearing down a wing of the White House
to build this ninety thousand square foot mall. I don't
know what he's gonna call it, a ballroom, a mall.
Speaker 20 (01:18:23):
Just the post throw off.
Speaker 33 (01:18:24):
So it's gonna be a teen house attached to like
a warehouse, you know, almost like a mausoleum. And the
next person that comes in there and the President tears
the thing right back down. Okay. And so for all
those corporate donors that should be lining up to help
us pass our food, they're gonna pass. They're gonna come
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and pay homage to the President and help them build
this ballroom. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Speaker 19 (01:18:51):
They should big big media companies, big companies in general
that have basically given money to that effort.
Speaker 21 (01:18:59):
It's outrageous.
Speaker 19 (01:19:00):
Two more quick questions for I know you have to
run Congressman talking with fantastic representative from the great City
of Chicago, Representative Jonathan Jackson of Chicago and Illinois. You
can't see it on the audio feed, but I'm holding
up at a pound of Duncan Donuts coffee made rate
here originally you know, in Quincy, Massachusetts, but of course,
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like a lot of coffee there, come from Brazil. So
they went after you know, mister da Silva, the newly
elected Brazilian leader, because Balsonario is about to go to
jail or maybe is in jail. And of course that's
a buddy of mister Trump, so he puts on attacks.
And the other day I went Congressman Jackson.
Speaker 12 (01:19:44):
To the.
Speaker 19 (01:19:47):
Local grocery store here, well known throughout the state. We'll
refer to it as SNS, and they were seven dollars
and ninety nine cents for this package of Duncan Donuts coffee.
A week later and it hasn't changed. It's fourteen dollars
in ninety nine cents. That is the Trump tariff on steroids.
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And I'm hoping and we had on Representative Clark, your colleague,
a minority Whip Clark from Massachusetts, and I told her,
and I'm telling everybody we have on please use this
prop This is a pound of dunkin Donuts coffee that
tell people that we cannot keep this tariff on and
keep our country, you know, economically viable for the vast
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majority of the ninety nine percent. One percent is all set.
They're set for life and for generations to come. But this,
to me is an example of where we are.
Speaker 20 (01:20:41):
Your thoughts, well, you see that on the price of port.
Speaker 33 (01:20:47):
When we are Illinois is like the fourth largest port
producing state. We've got to send port down to the border.
They go into labor intensive facilities in Mexico. It goes
back and forth to get cheared hams and other things.
That price is going up. You've got climate change, which
is real. That's creating some of the scarcity in the beef,
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and it's harder for battle to graves in some places.
You've lowered the terriff amongst Argentina and told them to
bring their beef into the United States. These things are
not thought through. He's does a chat GPT whimsically says something.
What he's going by. He wants to have this persona
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being bravado, as if he's so confident, so self assured,
and he's just stacking up one disaster after another. And
what he's the gonna up doing is this fourth quarter
now that he's skept the pay of federal workers and
people are having this economic consternation and feeling this level
of austerity. This is the quarter that retailers make most
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of their profit. They're not gonna make it. So we're
saying a record number of farmers for being for closed upon.
We're seeing a record number of businesses that are going
to start foreclosing. And we should be talking about AI.
What does the future of work look like? How do
we define it? Redefine it? You know that we're gonna
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start losing more white collar jobs, but what should we
be focused on. We should be talking about how do
we create additional peace and security. He's creating more tensions
around the world, blowing up fishing boats in the Caribbean.
I mean, like we need some Republicans to have some
some courage and some backbone and stand up and tell
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him when he's wrong. They don't have the guts, you know,
the internal fortitude to tell the man he's wrong. You know,
I started the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Caucus with my colleague,
Commerceman Cleo Fields. Diversity, equity, inclusion has benefited the society.
It's not.
Speaker 21 (01:22:55):
And now he's going to bring people together and now.
Speaker 19 (01:22:59):
Life, you know, divide. You know, it's outrageous, you know,
and one of the things that you know to this point,
I mean, you know, but this is who he is.
This is Republicans today too, you know, divide and conquer,
you know, pit African Americans versus Latinos, pitt African Americans
versus Asians, pit Asians versus Caucasian Americans. You know, rural
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versus urban. It goes on and on and on. And
one of the things we're seeing now and I just
want to get your your thoughts on this because you know, again,
the Rainbow Coalition does not exclude people of color who
happen to speak a different language. And I'm talking about
Latinos part of your district, part of the Great City
of Chicago, part of the Great Rainbow Coalition that your
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father talked about and to me, it is outrageous to
see people being taking some American citizens, some with green cards,
some who are undocumented workers, you know, being taken and
manhandled by ice. Talk to me about this because to me,
this is this again, and this is not the American way.
This is not the country that my dad, you know,
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was in the navy for that, my uncles were in
the army for that. People that I know, good friends
of mine who went to Iraq and so forth, they
did not fight for division and divisiveness. Your thoughts about
what has happened in your city over the last few months,
you know, with with people of color, mainly Latino, although
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there are some that are Caribbean American that are also
in this category. It's it to me, you know, it's
just not right. Your thoughts, I know, you got to run.
Speaker 33 (01:24:40):
Listen.
Speaker 20 (01:24:41):
He is.
Speaker 33 (01:24:44):
Using some very racist tactics when he says that the
white africaneers can come to the United States and they've
not had any sense of repression, and he lies on
the great people of South Africa saying that they are
torturing people. He needs to be held to account. And
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then when he calls African countries as whole countries. That's
just wrong. We've got thirty thousand Ukrainians in the city
of Chicago, but you only see him targeting people of color.
Speaker 20 (01:25:20):
That's wrong. We're a better nation than this. We want
to go forward.
Speaker 33 (01:25:24):
For him to take up to threaten the universities, to
take funds away from them. We're better than that. He
is driving away good brains from around the world that
wanted to study in the United States of America. We're
going to fill long term damage from his retaliatory actions
and now weaponizing the Justice Department, going after the FBI
(01:25:47):
director of Cuomo Komi and going after Miss Tisha.
Speaker 20 (01:25:51):
James and going after Bolton.
Speaker 33 (01:25:55):
This is wrong and looking people in the Senate show
some character and stand up. And then he told the
all the military generals that our enemy is from within.
Speaker 12 (01:26:07):
Okay, outraged, I got.
Speaker 20 (01:26:10):
To go, but I want to say I appreciate you.
Speaker 33 (01:26:13):
I'm gonna be in touch.
Speaker 19 (01:26:14):
Will soon O caame my friend, Reverend I should say,
not Reverend, but Congressman Jonathan Jackson. Thank you so very much,
A real pleasure to look forward to doing this again soon.
Thank you for being on the Jeff Santo Show.
Speaker 12 (01:26:26):
That was Congress.
Speaker 19 (01:26:29):
Thank you man, Congressman Jonathan Jackson here on the Jeff
Santo Show, a real, real true patriot, and somebody understands
what is that stake and understands what does that stake
for people, not only people of color, but everybody across
that rainbow that we talked about, and and people who
are just barely making it by you know, the great
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thing about political figures who inspire, and Jonathan Jackson follows
and again his father's footsteps is to inspire.
Speaker 21 (01:27:01):
People to not give up.
Speaker 19 (01:27:02):
As he was saying in that last segment or so,
that this is a time that is very difficult on Americans.
We talked earlier, of course, with our friends from Nage
and MS Blackman about the difficulties of folks, you know,
who could go to Starbucks and now they're saving just
to you know, have a lunch or breakfast, and it's
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you know, it's so difficult when you see billionaires again,
you know, buying their tenth maserati, when you see tax
cuts being given to the one percent by this administration,
when you see the inability to really have any kind
of empathy and from Republicans from mister Trump, from many
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other folks within the White House that they don't get it,
they don't care, and you know, what a way, what
a way for people who are young Americans who are
in elementary school, who may want to become president one
day and they see their presence, you know, basically saying look,
(01:28:16):
you know, just just go somewhere else. You know, we
don't we don't like the way you look, we don't
like the way you talk.
Speaker 21 (01:28:24):
You know, we don't.
Speaker 19 (01:28:26):
We don't want to really concern ourselves with it because
you know, the one percent, particularly African particularly white men,
are the ones that have to make these decisions going forward.
And you know, if you're a person of color, you know,
no need to apply here. And this is sort of
the world that young people are getting into, and it's
it's simply not the way. Now Democrats have to offer
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a plan. I have said for a long time that
the FDR plan is you know again he one holds
when four times, and all four times it was not close.
Because he had a populist progressive message or a progressive
populist messages, I like to say, and he understood that
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people need to have their retirements. Social Security he created.
He knew that you had to put government in order,
works Progress Administration WPA. You know he had an understanding
did FDR. And of course we have his grandson on
tomorrow on the program talking about many of these issues,
Jim Roosevelt.
Speaker 21 (01:29:31):
And you know you can't.
Speaker 19 (01:29:34):
You can't, just as a friend of mine told me today,
criticize Trump and not have your own plan. That's why
it's so important that Democrats incorporate the FDR plan. Of course,
you updated the twenty first century. All right, we'll be
back with our good friend Joe Williams. Been a long
time since we spoke with him. He'll be with us
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after this timeout.
Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Okay, c A A.
Speaker 7 (01:30:05):
Okay, hold on, I'm getting trumping hare breaking news out
of California tonight. The results are in and voters have
just passed Crop fifty. What this is a major Letdald
Trump and chances onto power.
Speaker 10 (01:30:20):
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investigative for corruption even restin files.
Speaker 11 (01:30:29):
You want to stick it to Trump to vote yes
on Prop fifty.
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Speaker 19 (01:33:39):
It is the Jeff Santo Show that you are tuned
into coming to you live from South coast here in
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. We're gonna be chatting with our
good friend Joe Williams coming up in a matter of
a couple of minutes here and where I hope is
that we can we can reach him in talk about
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some of the major issues that are in front of us.
And it is so important, so important to get a
perspective of a great journalist one time work for the
Boston Globe, Politico and many others.
Speaker 20 (01:34:15):
Uh.
Speaker 19 (01:34:15):
And we're going to look to talk to him in
a in a couple of minutes. Let me just say
this about the last two segments, folks.
Speaker 21 (01:34:28):
And you know when you.
Speaker 19 (01:34:31):
Talk with Lee Blackman, you know understanding the federal government
workers and where they are in this situation. And then
you talk to Jonathan Jackson, the congressman from Chicago, and
point out what the people in Chicago are going through,
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the people in across the country are going to you know,
there are people who are fighters for this country. Again,
fighting peacefully very important and again and it's not fair
to Congressman Jackson me to keep referring to him as
the son of urban Jesse Jackson. Again, so glad that
he's doing well finding off Arkinson's but he he is
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somebody in my view who really gets the idea of empathy,
empathy for his constituenc as congressman and of course his
father before him, and my view understands understands where the
country needs to go, you know, and sort of the
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rainbow version of what FDR started in nineteen, you know,
thirty three when he became president, and that to me
is an important roadmap for him. Well, our next guest
is here. He is a fantastic journalist. Probably over fifteen
sixteen years ago we had him on as the DC
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BURA chief of the Boston Globe. He has gone on
to work for a number of great publications. But it
is so great that I think he has found a
great home in the deputy managing director for Word in Black,
Joe Williams. Reed joins us interestingly enough on a Wednesday,
and we thank very much of having Joe Williams on
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the on the broadcast. And I think for the video folks,
we have the wrong photograph there, but you didn't take
that down. But the point is is that it is
incredibly important that.
Speaker 20 (01:36:44):
Joe.
Speaker 12 (01:36:47):
You laugh at Joe.
Speaker 19 (01:36:49):
They you know, you became a very wealthy basketball player
in that in that mix up of a photograph. But
I welcome you, my friend, to the uh uh have
a reality.
Speaker 21 (01:37:01):
Exactly, exactly great to have you back, my man.
Speaker 20 (01:37:06):
Good to hear your voice, Jeff, how are you.
Speaker 21 (01:37:09):
I'm doing okay.
Speaker 19 (01:37:10):
You know, we just had some really interesting conversations with
the first the Federal National Association Government Employees Federal director.
Speaker 21 (01:37:22):
I'm a woman by the name of Lee Blackman, and
she was really fantastic and I know our audience. We
had several calls for her.
Speaker 19 (01:37:31):
Understood the pain that many of the workers are going through.
Then we had on Congressman Jackson from Chicago, and you know,
these folks that are doing the right thing, They are
doing the right thing.
Speaker 21 (01:37:45):
And there's the great Joe Williams.
Speaker 19 (01:37:47):
That's a fantastic photograph with the white college shirt and
the blue love that look that you have there in that.
Speaker 21 (01:37:53):
Photograph by Joe.
Speaker 19 (01:37:54):
So you get to go back and go to the
Jeff Santois Show dot com and check out the video part.
But I think that you know, it's good in these
very dark times that we have people fighting for us,
and that's I think important. It's important to cover people
like this, to give them a platform like we do
here on this show.
Speaker 21 (01:38:13):
And I know that you do in.
Speaker 19 (01:38:16):
Your organization and publication. Talk to me about that, because
you know, we get so overwhelmed by right wing media
in print and of course television, and of course radio,
which is ninety nine percent of unfortunately radio today.
Speaker 20 (01:38:34):
Yeah, the fight is very important. I mean, we're talking
about encroachment of if not outright fascism, then certainly fascist
tendencies in our national government. And that's what they depend
on is people being apathetic, people kind of throwing off
their hands, and people unwilling to fight because they believe
that the fight is fruitless. But it's anything but. As
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a matter of fact, the fight now is almost as
important as it was with the under this country, mainly
because we are seeing our constitution or being eroded for
very eyes. We're seeing grafted out in the open, not
even trying to hide it anymore, and now they're not
even bothering to cloak it in any kind of way.
And we're seeing people being snatched up by the dozens
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on US streets by a police force wearing masks and
driving around in unmarked cars, wearing tape over their badges
and their nameplates, so we don't know who they are.
There's a very definition of a secret police force. It's
all unfolding in real time. And those who succumb to fasterism,
those who have suffered under it, weren't able to catch
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it in time, weren't able to fight it in time.
And thus it became a situation kind of like a
frog in the proverbial pot of boiling water. Yes, once
the word gets too hot, it's too.
Speaker 21 (01:39:51):
Well, you know, it's one of these situations.
Speaker 20 (01:39:54):
Again.
Speaker 19 (01:39:55):
We're talking with Joe Williams, the deputy managing director of
Word in Black.
Speaker 21 (01:40:01):
I'm I'm just so appalled that, you know.
Speaker 19 (01:40:08):
The political leaders that we elect, you know, and I'm
talking mainly about ninety nine percent of the Republicans of
not one hundred percent just go along with this destruction
method of the of the incumbent president. And it is
truly out of control to a point where you don't
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know what is next. Again, we're talking both with Congressman
Jackson about what's happened in Chicago. You know, to people
of colored Latinos, you know, to people of African Americans,
Caribbean Americans, you know, I mean it just walk down
the street and as I mentioned earlier to the audience,
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I mean, you know you told me of a story
about going to an ATM in Massachusetts and you know,
walking while Black. Then Kenneth Meeks book, it's time to
probably get him back on the show as a good
friend of her Boyd's that you know, he wrote the
book Driving while Black.
Speaker 21 (01:41:11):
I mean, you know, there there are a.
Speaker 19 (01:41:12):
Lot of different elements of that just existing and this
and unfortunately now is the case for men, Latinos and
Arab Americans as we've seen in Massachusetts, you know, walking
down the street and four a woman four or five
you know, plane clothes officers, you know taking her away.
(01:41:33):
I you know, I mean this is This is not
the America that we grew up in. You know, it's
not the it's not speed racer and munsters and little
rascals and everything else that we used to watch as
a kid growing up in the seventies.
Speaker 21 (01:41:48):
This is some pretty dark stuff.
Speaker 19 (01:41:51):
And I know that you know you're covering it, and
uh so glad that you're that you're at a word
in black to do just that, to give you the
opportunity to to to is that platform to me is
it's extremely important to be able to get that information
out and to and to communicate it in a way
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in which it's real to people talk to me about that.
Speaker 20 (01:42:17):
Well, reality is so important, and a lot of times
people don't realize what's happening because a lot of this
tried to kept under the surface. Another element in the propaganda,
or rather the authoritarian toolkits, is propaganda, and we see
that in the dismissal of orders from the Pentagon in
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how speech. You know, they're trying to tell us that
what we see really isn't what we see. Are you
going to believe us or your lion eyes? And you
also see it in the libation of Charlie Kirk. Certainly
Charlie Kirk didn't deserve to die. No one does, by
the bullet, But he was not the person that the
White House and that the administration claim he was. And
(01:43:00):
when people try to tell you up is down and
down is up, it's becoming increasingly releasingly difficult to find
reliable sources of information, to find people that you can trust,
to find honest brokers who will tell you the facts
without spin, fear or favor. So paying attention is vitally important.
Find trusted news sources, people that don't just echo the
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talking points of the right or the left, and people
are giving you the straight dope, the honest facts. It's
crucial in this time because we can't push back without
accurate information and without knowing where we're pushing from. So
I think programs like this one, programs like other media startups.
Certainly we're in a different era where people can do
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this on their own, but we need to stay informed.
We need to push back against the administration, and anything
they tell you can take it with a grain of
salt and back check those sources and likely to find
out that they aren't telling you the truth. So propaganda
is important. In the Tropic in the authoritarian toolkits, and
we're already seeing it starting to encroach on a lot
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of our institutions.
Speaker 19 (01:44:10):
Talking with Joe Iams, managing deputy Managing director of Word
in Black and again, you know, we like to talk
about it, Joe, and I just want to be very
clear because I understand what you meant on the Kirk thing.
I mean my opinion. You know, we tried to talk everywhere.
We say keep on fighting peacefully, keep on fighting peacefully,
and that means that we want nonviolence. And the seven
(01:44:31):
million people who who came out and non violently and
a peaceful way a couple of weekends ago with the
No Kings March is an example of that.
Speaker 21 (01:44:43):
And you know, we can do a lot.
Speaker 19 (01:44:46):
We may disagree with mister Kirk and his views, but
you know we do it. And I say we meaning
you know, people that come on my show, people who
are regular guests, people who are that I talk about.
You know, ninety nine point nine percent are people who
want to settle things peacefully, but you can't get them
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to come to the table. I saw Lindsey Graham today
saying we're going to wait till.
Speaker 21 (01:45:11):
After the election.
Speaker 19 (01:45:12):
Well, what about the people who don't have enough food
until next Tuesday or Wednesday or whenever they decide, all
of a sudden, they get together. The people who are
on snap benefits the people who are out there, you know,
who are in my view, just trying to get through
the next few hours to get something to eat, or
maybe they've they've been thrown out of their apartment because
(01:45:35):
the rent is too damn high and they can't afford
it because they don't have the money anymore. And to me,
that is what is so missing. You know, I'll give
CNN and MSNBC some really great jobs of doing all
of this and telling the story, but it needs to
be more. And I know publications like yours are doing
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just that too, and doing it with with with an
understanding of what it's like again to be a person
of color, walking, driving while black. I think that's lost
still in America today.
Speaker 34 (01:46:14):
Your thoughts, Jo, Well, I think it is, and I
think it's lost because a lot, like you were saying earlier,
a lot of people are just trying to get to
the next hour, get to the next day, get to
the next tape check.
Speaker 20 (01:46:25):
So it's really easy to lose that kind of empathy
it's really easy to lose that kind of understanding, and
it's really easy to lose sight of what the country
is about, specifically trying to work out and hash out
our differences in a peaceful, non violent way. There are
a lot of people who really don't believe in that way,
in that ethos, including the guy at the top. So
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it's really hard to get at some of the underlying
issues of the things that you're talking about about racial discrimination,
about racial profiling, about racial profiling and reporting of Latinos
all over this country, about how this administration has literally
built a system with taxpayer money to do the dirty
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work that a lot of secret police do in other
areas of the country. So if we've got that to
worry about, if we've got to worry about whether or
not some of our brothers are going to get snatched
off the streets by a cop who you don't even
know as a cop and may or may not be
working on behalf of the government, then things like walking
while black tend to fall a little bit lower below
the radar because it's involving everybody. And I think also
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that's one of the things people don't quite understand is
that this administration is causing problems for everyone. Even though
it may be Latinos were getting snatched off the street
by masked men. Guess what, They're not going to stop
at the Latino people. They're going to come for sure,
the radicals, the so called dissidents, the so called unsavories
(01:47:55):
that President Trump has literally Liken Devermine and is talking
about reporting everyone who he believes doesn't deserve to be
an American. So I think that in understanding where all
this lands and understanding how to push back against this resistance,
we collectively have to understand that this affects everybody. And
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I think you're right to point out the No King's protests.
They did a very good job about that, people stepping
up and speaking up about the fact that even though
they came for your neighbor, they may be coming for
you next. I think a lot of people needed you
have to get that message. Hopefully the No Kings demonstration
made that made that loud and play.
Speaker 19 (01:48:37):
We're speaking with Joe Williams. He's on deadline, so we
only have a couple more minutes. But I wanted to
get to your story, which you told my audience a
number of years ago when you were in Boston, Cambridge
and go into an ATM, because I think it's important
to understand that, you know, it's it's just not happening
(01:48:58):
to somebody there or in that city or in that state.
It happens to everybody. People who come on this show,
people who are you know, some in the news media,
some you know in politics.
Speaker 21 (01:49:13):
I mean, we understand what you know.
Speaker 19 (01:49:15):
A Thurgrade Marshall went through as a Supreme Court justice,
you know, in the streets of Washington, d C. Talk
to us a little bit about that, and then I
know you have to run. I get one final question
for you and thank you for staying with us on
your deadline.
Speaker 20 (01:49:29):
Yeah, of course, of course, so very quickly. This would
have been circa two thousand and three, Cambridge of Massachusetts.
I was the city editored for the Boston Globe. Late
one night, having to get some cash to go to
an early morning trip to the airport. I've been working late,
so it was after hours. Go home, change the street clothes,
sed you an ATM on massat and see if I
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can't remember the crossy. It's been so long with it's
right in your poor square. So okay, getting the ATM festival,
wearing a hat, really low jeans, T shirt, come out
of the vestibule with two hundred dollars in cash. As
soon as I walked out of the vestibule a vestibule,
I saw a police car and instantly my black man
antenna went up. Because it's late at night, there's no
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one else on the street except me. In this cop car,
he sees me, I see him. I go immediately, oh,
this is not going to be good. And I started
doing a mental inventory of what about me looked suspicious.
I realized that I'm wearing jeans, I realized wearing a
baseball cap. I realized wearing T shirts. I look like
any other black man on the street. And as soon
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as the light turned green, the cops started follow me.
I realized that he was following me when I turned
to my street, which was off of the main street,
and he followed me, and he turned and this is
this is this is going to happen again, and he
pulled up next to me, put the spotlight on my
face and asked me where I was going, where I'd been?
(01:50:59):
Where is uh where I was earlier that night? And
immediately I remember that I had a big water cash
in my pocket and no HM receipts. So I was
immediately trying to stay calm and freak not freak out.
Eventually he rated back and forth, the spotlight went out
and the officer drove away. No apology, no nothing, And
I at that time, at that moment, I felt both
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enraised and humiliated and frustrated all at once.
Speaker 12 (01:51:23):
It was.
Speaker 20 (01:51:23):
It still sticks to me to this day.
Speaker 21 (01:51:27):
It's disgusting.
Speaker 19 (01:51:28):
You know, they are great police officers in Boston of course,
and great and Cambridge too, but this is the impalling
situation today, uh till today. You know, we see this,
you know, in so many different cities, and and when
it gets you know, completely out of hand, when you
have federal government troops, when you have ice officials and
(01:51:51):
so forth, you know, and again, the the racial profiling
that is done is despicable. I know this is not
easy for you to bring up again, Joe, so thank
you for doing that though, but I think it brings
up some chilling moments for me. And you know, I
thank you for for always pushing back again peacefully and
(01:52:16):
uh and telling us the truth and having the empathy
to to write uh and uh and and tell stories
of other people who are going through, if not similar stories,
other stories that are you know, completely different, but once
again people fighting, UH to just stay ahead, which is
difficult these days.
Speaker 21 (01:52:35):
Joe Williams, so great to see you. Great, great to
hear you.
Speaker 19 (01:52:38):
I should say, see you're a great photograph that we
have up and look forward to doing this again, hopefully
on a regular basis if we can meet your very
busy schedule.
Speaker 21 (01:52:48):
A real pleasure.
Speaker 19 (01:52:49):
Joe Williams, a great journalist in America, UH and a
great friend of the program. We thank you for spending
time with us today.
Speaker 20 (01:52:58):
My pleasure. Jeff, take care you too.
Speaker 21 (01:53:01):
That's Joe Williams. This Jeff Santos.
Speaker 19 (01:53:03):
Don't open up the phone lines here at eight three
three five four five five three three three we'll be
talking to Larry Korb and Brian Garby. Come up for
an hour on the Foreign Policy Chat.
Speaker 21 (01:53:16):
You know, folks, you know we can again. I hearken what.
Speaker 19 (01:53:23):
Congressman Jesse Jackson Jonathan Jackson, I know I was going
to say that said in that you know, things are
are very bad right now, very tough right now, whether
you're African American or Latino or a person of color,
you know, a young man, a young woman, if you're trans,
if you're LGBTQ. You know, there there's a lot of
(01:53:45):
pressure on people, but you have to you have to
keep again, Reverend Jesse Jackson, keep hope alive. But also,
you know, realistically, keep you know, your your individual goals
in life, your goals to sort of take care of
your family, take care of your community. You know, the
(01:54:08):
great thing about growing up in New England, and for
that matter, in the Midwest or many colder parks of
America is that people help each other, regardless if you're
a Democrat or Republican or Independent or Green whatever. When
the snowstorm, you know, when you have to push a
neighbor or a friend out of the driveway, or you
(01:54:29):
know you're trying to you know, navigate a way to
get to the store because there's no cars on the road. Right,
Those are all wonderful things. And I'm hoping and as
I know that Jonathan Jackson, the congressman, was trying to
do that same thing. You know, that's that's the best
of America. Hopefully we can we can get to that
and get to the next step. All right, let's go
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back to the phones. John in Minnesota. You are next
here on the Jeff Santo Show eight three three five
four five five three three three, John, go right ahead.
Speaker 29 (01:55:03):
Yeah, I wanted to say that, yes, we are next,
and this is just the beginning of the authoritarian state.
And if we don't vote out uh and vote in
a different congress, Uh, we could literally end up as
(01:55:24):
a uh you know at Chile or Argentina, another country
Brazil who all had military dictatorships. But it'll be uh
with just a slight democratic flavor to it.
Speaker 17 (01:55:42):
Uh.
Speaker 29 (01:55:42):
You know you're not going to have this hunter, but
it'll it'll get like that. And uh, you know people
should be like, for instance, talking on a program like
that like this Pegasus will peg you. You'll get you know,
on a list.
Speaker 33 (01:56:01):
Uh, you'll be uh, you know, attacked.
Speaker 29 (01:56:05):
They all look for any way, you know, to essentially
beat up on you, which is exactly I knew. I've
known people, well, I knew somebody who lived in Argentina
during the Pinochet years.
Speaker 12 (01:56:18):
Uh.
Speaker 20 (01:56:19):
It was such an atmosphere, a.
Speaker 29 (01:56:21):
Fear that on a lonely beach on in Chile was
a with a native Chilean. This person was there too,
you know, basically increase fisheries. Uh, their productivity. Uh. She
was in the Peace Corps and then stayed on with
the Chilean government. Really was not political at all. But
(01:56:44):
she asked this person on a lonely beach, Uh, so
what do you think of this Pinochet guy? And the
person spun around and looked everywhere and like turned white
and just said in Spanish to her, you know, don't
ever ask that question. You don't know what effect that
(01:57:07):
can have on you and the person you're talking to. Literally,
people would read something in Santiago in the city, you know,
something derogatory about Pinochet and to guard two people. You know,
that plane closed polief or thugs. We just pick that
person up and god knows what happened to them. About
(01:57:31):
thirty five thousand people died. A lot of them were
thrown out of planes into the Pacific Ocean. Not a
very pleasant way to go really, So, Donald Trump, when
the Republican Party really wish us ill, they call us terrorists.
We are terrorists to them. They are at war with us.
(01:57:53):
So yes, we can't be violent. We can't let give
them any uh you know, clue or or not clue,
but any opportunity to declare martial law. But let's not
men's words about it. They hate us and.
Speaker 12 (01:58:12):
We need to well, I you know, we.
Speaker 29 (01:58:14):
Need to get rid of them peacefully and politically.
Speaker 12 (01:58:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 21 (01:58:17):
Yeah, yes, but I agree that it.
Speaker 29 (01:58:22):
Resistance. We need to resist.
Speaker 19 (01:58:24):
Yeah, you need to resist, and you have to make
sure that the votes count. You know, we'll be talking
with Greg Pallas on Friday, I believe at four point thirty,
and he understands the voter suppression issues. You know, our
good friend Jerry Austin brought this up yesterday about you know,
the ballot and we need to protect the ballot. And again,
when I say protect the ballot, we're not talking about
(01:58:48):
arm resistance. We're talking about peacefully making sure that your
elected officials, whether they are Democrats or Republicans, do their job.
And that's what is necessary by the citizenry.
Speaker 21 (01:59:02):
Do your job.
Speaker 19 (01:59:03):
You know, maybe there's another rally that our friends are
indivisible and move on and our friends of Social Security works,
you know, can do to make sure that people can
actually vote and that you know, whether everybody holds up
a card or whatever. I don't know what the what
the aesthetics look like, but the fact is is that
that is going to be an important piece as we
move in to November of twenty six, and of course
(01:59:24):
we'll find out a lot on November four, John, thank you,
my friend. I know you want to have some time
with our next guest, to Larry Korb and Brian Garvey.
But right now we have a commercial break. We're going
to take that. Thank you, John, and we'll come back
with Korb and Garvey. It's the Jeff Santo Show.
Speaker 12 (01:59:40):
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Chinese leader Shijingping later today in South Korea. Trump said
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China has said that it's willing to work with the US,
as the two nations have yet to agree to a
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Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
Blue Jays broke the game open with a four run
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Speaker 20 (02:01:18):
He made pitches.
Speaker 4 (02:01:19):
Man, you know, it was it was fun to watch
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last year and a half journey he's been on to
go out there and do that. That was that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:01:27):
Show, hey Otani charged with the loss. Also when zero
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He'll make his first NFL start Sunday against the Rams.
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But the democracy is only one of the issues that
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and Larry Korb, Vietnam VET.
Speaker 21 (02:08:39):
We thank him for his service.
Speaker 19 (02:08:41):
Of course, he's also the former Deputy Defense Secretary of
the Reagan administration and now at the Center for American
Progress as the great senior fellow over there.
Speaker 21 (02:08:55):
So let me talk to you first. Brian. You know,
we just talked.
Speaker 19 (02:08:59):
To Joe william about great journalist now you know, at
a great publication for African Americans, and one of the
things that we talk about all the time is is peace.
You know, do things peacefully. Of course that's the part
of the organization. You know, you're talking about mass Piece Action,
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and you know, I know these are difficult times with
so many people we talked at the first Hour, and
again you can go to the Jeff Santos Show and
get all these interviews on the website.
Speaker 21 (02:09:32):
Our good friend Rocky is doing that as we speak.
Speaker 19 (02:09:36):
But I think that it's hard for a lot of
people who are having the difficult times to think peacefully
because you know, they want to get out of the
situation they're in. The unemployment, the lack of health insurance
that's been cut back, the lack of you know, food
that they have to eat, so they get angry. But
(02:09:58):
it's still important to act peacefully, and again that's part
of your mission, and of course that's diplomacy on an
international front as well. Talk to me about that word
because I think it can be misconstrued, but it also
I think serves as a vital north star for so
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many people right now.
Speaker 12 (02:10:21):
Right Yeah, I.
Speaker 17 (02:10:24):
Think it's crucially important, both at home and abroad. And
our organization, Massachusetts Peace Action, and our affiliates across the country,
we oppose political violence absolutely, you know, both abroad and
at home. I mean, the last thing we want to
do is send our service members into hostilities, into a
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situation where they may be wounded or even killed. And
that's why we oppose these willy nilly, unjustified and frankly
illegal wars that our presidents, including this one, keep getting
us involved in. And that violence doesn't stay abroad.
Speaker 23 (02:11:11):
Right.
Speaker 17 (02:11:11):
We see militarized police in our neighborhoods in the form
of ice, in the form of National Guard, federalization, sometimes
from other states over the objections of the governor of
Illinois or California and more states. And when people are
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facing hard times, yes they get angry, but I think
it's important to remember. I believe it was JFK who
said those that make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
We have to find a way to solve our problems
in a peaceful manner, or people get to a breaking point.
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We've seen that around the world. We've seen outbreaks of it,
certainly here in the United States, and that kind of
violence is what we are trying to prevent. We are
supposed to have a system that honors First Amendment rights,
gives people the ability and the right to assemble peacefully
and criticize the government. That is something that we are
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supposed to enjoy here in the United States of America,
and it's very important to preserve that and to act
on it if we're going to prevent the kind of
violent uprisings that we have seen sometimes in this country
and certainly around the world.
Speaker 19 (02:12:37):
No doubt you're so spot on. We're talking with Brian Garvey,
deputy director of mats Chew's Peace Action. Larry Korb, former
Deputy Defense Secretary of the Reagan administration and now senior
fellow at the Center of American Progress. I'll take what
Ryan said and maybe a tribute to I've never been
in the military, Dad and the Navy.
Speaker 21 (02:12:56):
Uncles in the Army, in the rings.
Speaker 19 (02:13:01):
But I would imagine if if you're going to get
people angry, who are you know in the military, that's
going to lead to chaos? Larry, I mean when you
were in Vietnam. If you get people who are angry
to fight the Viet Cong as an example, you know,
that makes the group of people, you know, the folks
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that are on the front lines, the folks that are
in your unit, That makes them, you know, more likely
to get hurt. You know, you have to It's like
a sporting event too. You don't want to have somebody
play completely angry maybe at moments. You know that anger
can work, but if somebody is usually angry over a
long period of time, that's a person out of control,
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and a person out of control does not do well
for men and women around them. Talk to me about that,
because obviously in the military it's it's it's you know,
you're always trying to, you know, save the life right now,
and I think you know again, peace is important here
and peace to sort of all right. I know I've
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been hurt. I know somebody hurt me. I know who's
responsible for it. But reaching you know, for a weapon,
reaching for any sort of object that is more violent
than necessary. Of course, war is war, but you know
you have to be in control. Talk to me about that, Larry,
because I think it's important for people to be in
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control right now in these very difficult times. We're federal
government workers, and we just spoke to the National Association
of Government Employees when people are actually in soup lines
in Washington, DC that had you know, middle class lifestyles,
snap benefits being cut back, so on and so forth.
Speaker 23 (02:14:45):
Your thoughts, Larry, Well, I think if you take a
look at what's happening with the military under Trump, too,
if you will here, and there are a lot of
things you need to really be concerned about. They have
gotten rid of a lot of the good leaders for
no good reason. Chairman of the Joint Chases Staff, the
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commandants of the Coast car before their terms are up.
And the military is trying to be non political. But
if you have a group that is just firing for
no good reason. I mean the Chairman of the Joint
chiefs of Staff, who happened here, the first African American
to take that job basically, and it's normally you get
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two two year term for four years. They just got
rid of them, no reason, nothing, And I could go through,
go ahead.
Speaker 21 (02:15:38):
No, I just said out you go. That's what happens.
Speaker 19 (02:15:40):
You know, you get the honor of being the first
African American and then Trump comes in and says, too bad,
I don't like you, your wrong color skin whatever, You're
too progressive.
Speaker 21 (02:15:49):
Bye bye. And this is this is this is how.
Speaker 19 (02:15:52):
Government in twenty five you know, this is how it
This is how it is.
Speaker 21 (02:15:58):
And we know we talked.
Speaker 19 (02:16:02):
No, I'm just gonna have one point and I'll let
you have the floor here. You told us about the
story of picking up trash and Washington, DC. You know,
this is the world that this is the new life
and the new world of soldiers with a with you know,
a uniform on go pick up the garbage all yours
my friend.
Speaker 23 (02:16:20):
Well, yeah, I mean you're you're taking people in the
National Guard. And remember we have a total force, which
is active duty and reserves, and the main component of
the reserves is the National Guard. And so here you
have these people trained to do all of these kind
you know, really critical functions and war. In fact, a
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lot of them have. We've deployed an awful lot of
garden reserve around the world because we've got so many
things going on. And then you got you're right, and
you demean them, put them there picking up garbage.
Speaker 8 (02:16:57):
And they know that.
Speaker 23 (02:16:59):
The people don't want them there. You know, they've gone
to court to try and you know, try and stop it.
They haven't been successful. So you're you're doing that. And
you know, the key thing if you want to have
a good military on a volunteer basis, what you want
to do is get people who want to go in
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to serve their country and defend all of the rights
and privileges that we have. And they don't want to
get involved in partisan politics or picking this candidate or
that that candidate and trying to be politicized. But if
you start firing all the top people who you feel
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are not pro you, if you will enough there that
you know that does you know that doesn't help. And
if they see their citizens, you know they're they're with
what's going on now? If their mom and dad lose
their health insurance here, you know, we have a critical
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thing coming up the first of November. Here, you've got
health insurance, You've you've got what food stamps or you know, snap.
And then the other thing that's happening. If you're in
the Service and you're attacking boats in the Gulf of Frum,
calls it. It doesn't call the Golf of Mexico. And
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you say, well, what is this and what does that
have to do with with that? And and yeah, that
is will undermine it, and you get you're going to
have a tough time retaining and recruiting new people in
the service.
Speaker 19 (02:18:39):
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Brian Garvey, deputy director of Master chooses peace action, of course.
Larry Corp, former Deputy Defense Secretary for and senior fellow
from a deep deputy Defense secretary in the Reagan administration.
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The senior fellow now at the Center for American Progress.
Brian So, if you think about you know, I had
our good friend, Congressman Jonathan Jackson on Reverend Jesse Jackson's son,
great congressman from the great City of Chicago, and we
were talking about, you know what it's like. Could be
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a person of color, mainly Latino or African American, Caribbean American,
walking down the street and you get abducted by ice
or maybe it's you know, somebody dressed up in the
military uniform. However it goes and this is America twenty
twenty five, and again you try to remain peaceful, you
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know you.
Speaker 21 (02:19:46):
And of course these people get into jails.
Speaker 19 (02:19:48):
I'm in New Orleans or Louisiana, I should say, others
end up in nol Salvador. You know, these are very
difficult times for so many people, and and you know
the image around the world is every day is going downhill.
I mean, you know, they play a cut from Larry
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Korbs old boss Ronald Reagan in an ad in Canada,
and what does Donald Trump do. He puts a tariff
on more Canadian goods, the people who live along the
north part of the country. It's insane. You know, this
is stuff that six grade bullies do well, maybe even
third grade bullys. I don't even know if he gets
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to middle school. But the point is is that it's
it makes your job, you know, as as Peace Action
and Larry's former job, you know, as part of the
diplomatic corps, that much hard people in Canada.
Speaker 21 (02:20:47):
What the heck's going on?
Speaker 19 (02:20:48):
We've had our good friend and I know you're a
big hockey fan, Brian Doug McLean on. He lives, He's
a Canadian, proud of it, and he has two kids,
one in Chicago, winter Cincinnati, Liz half year as a snowbird,
and a lot of Canadians do, and a lot of
them are now staying home. He is so frustrated because
he's caught in the middle having to defend you know,
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our president because he lived four months and you know,
in the same Marlago area in South Florida, and then
you know, he has to go home to see what
Canadians rightfully, so are doing that's a diplomatic thing with
Canada because of this stupid tariffs that he's put on
and increasing them the other day, because of the the
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ad that was run oh my god, something for thirty
seconds that caught the president's eye. You know, I can
only imagine, you know, you and others who are fighting
for peace in this country and around the world, you're
going to put up with this, you know, bozo like scenario.
Speaker 17 (02:21:51):
We have so many fires burning right now in so
many places on every level, that it does become difficult
for activists, for journalists like like you, For for folks
who are working you know, in the in the think
tank world, for people in our military, for people on
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the streets who are wondering if they're going to be
stopped for the color of their skin or for their accent.
I mean, we've had the Supreme Court say that basically,
the Fourteenth Amendment doesn't apply anymore. The equal protection of
the laws, no matter of what you look like or
what your religion is. I mean, that is.
Speaker 23 (02:22:33):
Supposed to be the law, and the Supreme Court.
Speaker 17 (02:22:36):
Has just decided that Nope, we're gonna We're gonna ignore
that and say that these ice agents can stop people
because of the language that they're speaking, or the job
that they're doing, or the color of their skin. It's
absolutely outrageous, and it's happening both at the street level
and in the highest levels of our military. You mentioned
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the chance i'man of the Joint chiefs of Staff. It
does seem that the Trump administration is going after women
in command and people of color who are in command.
We just had a flag officer, the now former commander
of southcom Admiral Howsley. Larry will correct me if I'm wrong,
(02:23:22):
but it seems that he was being and he resigned
shortly after visiting South America, the area where we've built
up so many forces around Venezuela and where we're now
currently steaming. Hopefully they're doing well to avoid the hurricane.
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One of the most advanced warships in the world, the
Gerald Ford, the aircraft carrier, and that comes along with
the whole strike group of ships. It's not cheap to
move something like that, and it's not safe either, right
when you when you undertake something that's going to cost
that much money, uh and frankly risk lives. You should
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be doing it for a good reason. But when when
Admiral Hosley came back from his visit, he resigned. So
I mean it's it's some combination of being forced out
by the Trump administration, perhaps for racial reasons, but also
perhaps concern about the mission that they're going to send
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our forces in Southcombe UH to do. And it's my
understanding that the JAG officers, Judge Advocate general, the legal
eagles in the military have not wanted to sign off
on these attacks of fishing boats that the Trump administration
has deemed Narco terrorists. So it's okay to just blow
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them out of the water without.
Speaker 21 (02:24:58):
Sorry, a few people died.
Speaker 12 (02:24:59):
That's basically so much insanity.
Speaker 21 (02:25:04):
So much again.
Speaker 19 (02:25:06):
Talking with Brian Garby, deputy director Mass Piece Action, Larry Korb,
former Deputy Defense Secretary under the Ronald Reagan administration, a
senior fellow of CAP. You know, I have guys, and
I've been using this prop earlier when we talked to
Congressman Jonathan Jackson about this. You can't see it, Larry
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or Brian, but I think you both drink it. This
is Duncan Donuts. This is a pound of coffee. At
around September fifteenth at the SNS grocery store chain that
Brian knows well and you probably do too, Larry. I'm
not going to give him a free plug, after all,
not a sponsor. And you know it was a seven
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ninety nine for this bag, one pound bag.
Speaker 21 (02:25:55):
It's fourteen ninety nine.
Speaker 19 (02:25:56):
Now, when mister Trump, you know, gets annoyed about the
silver winning against his fellow dictator Balsonaro and Brazil, what
ends up happening is the American people have to pay,
and pay through the nose for a pound of coffee
fourteen dollars. Larry, you know, this is just stupid and
it's insane and there's nothing really that it should be
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done against the people of Brazil. I mean, it has
nothing to do with their coffee, you know. I mean
almost every coffee company in America uses the coffee from Brazil.
Speaker 21 (02:26:31):
I mean, you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 19 (02:26:33):
But he doesn't understand that any Oh, he doesn't care,
which I think is a combination of both.
Speaker 21 (02:26:37):
But you know, I mean it's insane. And I've told
all the Democrats that.
Speaker 19 (02:26:43):
Are come on, including mister Jackson today and Minority Leader
Clark who was on a week or two ago, use
this prop I think it tells the story of where
we are. And it's silly. I've heard some folks talk
about this, Larry. You know, it's silly what we're doing.
But it's hurting people who now probably can't go without
coffee because of the cost of it.
Speaker 21 (02:27:06):
It's it's ridiculous. Go ahead, Larry.
Speaker 23 (02:27:10):
Well, it's not only hurts the people who have to
pay more for coffee, it hurts our national security because
we don't have any carriers in the Middle East right now,
you go, So we're trying to solve Yeah, because where
are they? As Brian mentioned, the newest carrier we have,
the USS Gerald Ford's going to do with Latin America.
(02:27:35):
I mean, there's no threat there why And as I
mentioned before, this is also illegal what you're doing. You
just can't attack ship for no reason or other and
without probable cause or anything like that. And so this
is hurting our security because we've got forces there that
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we don't need it. As it was engine here, you
had the Navy admiral who was the commander leaves after
one year, which you know, by and large, if you're
going to do this and you don't do it for
three or four years, you're not going to be as
good as you should be. It takes a while to
know what's going on. But why they get rid of
him because he was probably saying, this is illegal what
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you're giving these orders? I don't want to give them.
And you know, seeing his credit, he didn't go public
with that, but he just left. And you don't have
to be, you know, a genius to figure out why
he would do that, you know, one year, because that's
the highest honor you can get to one run of
the unified unified commands. So this now, this is you know,
(02:28:43):
with all the other things going on, you know in
the country with the government clothes and the people's healthcare
and you know, food stamps and all of that kind
of stuff, we're not paying attention here. But let me
tell you this is very areas problem. And if people
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want to know, why is your coffee going up? Why
is Trump you know, going after Brazil and what did
they ever do? I exactly no threat to us.
Speaker 19 (02:29:15):
It's it's pathetic and it's also a sad state of affairs.
We are chatting with Larry Corby and Brian Garvey here
on the Jeff Santo Show. We'll take your calls in
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the home borrow of our great friend Larry Korb, who's
with us today and Deputy Defense Secretary formerly of the
Reagan administration and also now the senior Fellow at the
Center for American Progress, And Brian Garvey, like me, a
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Massachusetts person, and we're proud of our Massachusetts Red Sox Bruins.
I had the Bruins jersey on earlier, Brian, but it
got too hot, so I put on a T shirt
and then I took the T shirt off and put
on the fleece. Here from our friends in Maine, ll Bean.
So trying to do all we can to prom I won't.
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I know, no faith is no no. You have to
stick to some faith, after all, if we're going through
in the real world to get a stick with the
Bruins and everybody else. And by the way, you know
one other thing about Canada. There are a lot of
Americans right now rooting for the Toronto Blue Jays just
to stay get to our friend in the White House,
and that that's because of the stupidity of this what's
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going on here. And I think Yankee fans and Red
Sox fans can agree with that. Even though their arrival
of the Blue jays my word what we're in anyways, Larry,
we're great.
Speaker 21 (02:35:16):
We're looking forward to.
Speaker 19 (02:35:16):
Being in New York and again the Bronx is the
home of the Yankees, which we will never talk about
much more than just this announcement, but it's great, great
to be on in New York City and we'll look
forward on Wednesday when you guys make your debut and
again am fifteen hundred WGHT in the great city of
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New York. And of course it gets into northern New
Jersey as well, and we'll look forward to all that
and in the coming days and week as we look
to expand the program across the country.
Speaker 21 (02:35:50):
Brian, so.
Speaker 19 (02:35:52):
We have to start off with Gaza here, you know,
this idea that you know, oh look, we got discussions going,
everything's going on. And then I read yesterday the net Yahoo,
no friend of the peace movement, thank you, you know,
is saying he's ordering, you know, more strikes on Gaza.
(02:36:12):
I don't know what he's striking at these days, because
there's not much left of buildings.
Speaker 21 (02:36:18):
And human life tragically. But of course you know he.
Speaker 19 (02:36:24):
Said Hamas did it, and say, well, therefore, if Thomas
did it, then I have the right to do everything,
and apparently the Americans are also involved in some capacity here.
I mean, it gets lost with all the other horrific
situations there are in this country right now thanks to
our incumbent president. What do you make of this, Brian?
Because I mean, frankly, you know, when I turn on
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the BBC or read an article on the Globe or
the Times, you know, they give you a perspective.
Speaker 21 (02:36:54):
But everything is so fluid.
Speaker 19 (02:36:55):
You don't know whether or not we're staying in this
coalition with net Yahoo, well, whether or not you know
the peace agreement is going to is going to last
more than two more hours.
Speaker 21 (02:37:06):
Where are we from your.
Speaker 17 (02:37:08):
Perspective, I think where we are is it's being exposed
that this this cease fire deal that I think was
designed to really try and grab headlines just as much
as actually pursue peace, is not as real as we
would like it to be.
Speaker 27 (02:37:29):
You know.
Speaker 17 (02:37:29):
I mean, when you have a strike that kills over
one hundred people and then they announce okay, now we're
going to get back into this despire, Well it's not
really a peace deal if mister net and Yahoo and
his government and his military can just dip in and
dip out of it whenever they so choots. I mean,
and I think what it's revealing is that as long
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as the United States is going to continue to stick
our big thumb on the scale and say that we
are just going to be an endless supplier of weaponry
to the Israeli government and military, then they're going to
feel that they can do what they want and and
damn the consequences. Right. You know the way that the
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Trump administration, he himself, his son in law, some of
his ambassadors have talked about this, h it's either in
extremely religious terms or as if they're going to take
this over and turn it into.
Speaker 23 (02:38:29):
Another It's yeah, yeah, it's just not it's not serious diplomacy, Larry.
Speaker 19 (02:38:37):
I mean, you know you you would spend all these times,
you know, in meetings with Secretary of State Shields or
Baker or in your boss Weinberger and of course Reagan himself,
and you know we talked a lot about in the
past Elebanon situation. This to me is that you know,
(02:38:58):
you have one guy, I said, Witkoff, who is the
the all encompassing uh mister diplomat. You know, he puts
together a plan. Uh maybe it is agreed to by
some uh in the Israeli government. But you know Natanya,
who looks at it as I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 21 (02:39:19):
We get to look. Get Tony Blair in here, let's
see what he can do.
Speaker 19 (02:39:22):
Of course, he's a puppy dog for the Iraq war
with George W.
Speaker 12 (02:39:25):
Bush.
Speaker 19 (02:39:26):
And then of course you have Hamas on the other side,
and of course you know, you know they are no
friends of peace either. But you look at all this
and I'm thinking, as I said a couple of weeks
to you a couple of weeks ago, i mean, how
long is this gonna last? It it to me it's
it's it's gonna be it's falling apart. It's just gonna
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be death by a thousand cuts. You know, you have
this excursion, you have that excursion. One person does this
onnother person does that to retaliate, and there really is
no mediator. I mean, what is Tony Blair going to do? Say,
everybody come together, We're going to have a you know,
a cookout in you know, Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 21 (02:40:06):
I mean, it's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 23 (02:40:11):
Well, I think we'd all do and you're correct, all
the things that you and Brian have been saying, but
this was a step in the right direction to begin.
I agree because up to then, because you know, and
the other thing is net Nyahu did consult with us
before he had this retaliation that almost killed the killed
(02:40:34):
almost one hundred people. He did, We did give him permission.
I think there have been other times when we have
not done that. But you're right, it's.
Speaker 8 (02:40:45):
One thing to have it on paper.
Speaker 23 (02:40:47):
It's another thing to, you know, do something to to
enforce it. And I think the fact that you've got
wit Goff, which is his personal representative and his son
in law, there is an indication he's trying to do
his best to prevent this from getting out of hand.
And it's really going to be up to whether he
(02:41:10):
the president says to that. And now, if you do this,
then I'm cutting off all eight. I mean, I think
you've got to be We don't know if he's ready
to play that play that cart yet. You know, this
was a TV show. I could show you my picture
of me lecturing that. Yeah, here's years ago about.
Speaker 20 (02:41:30):
A particular feature.
Speaker 23 (02:41:38):
So but you know, I do think it's not perfect.
It was a step in the right direction. The real
question is are we going to implement it. Are we
going to hold the Israelis accountable if they act in
appropriate or hamas? Are we going to get you know,
the Middle East countries to lean on them. So it's
(02:41:58):
pretty pretty complicated, pretty complicated. It This was not a
good week. But the Israelis did say after this attack
that that's it. They're going back to the other thing,
so hopefully, you know, and then yeah, who means that?
Speaker 21 (02:42:16):
Brian? I don't know about you, but I and I'm
I'm I'm with Larry.
Speaker 19 (02:42:20):
And it's a step in and in a better direction,
but it's about six inches from the edge of the
cliff that where we stay in right now, and it's
a long way down. And I just don't trust the
participants in this. And frankly, you know, Tony Blair, as
I said, you know, it's a puppy dog for the
(02:42:40):
Iraq war for Bush back twenty years ago. And frankly,
I don't I don't know if there is a grown
up in the room that's going to say, look enough
of this. People are dying, you know, I don't think
there's anybody there and and you know, correct me if
I'm wrong. So yeah, I'll give credit to wid Cough
(02:43:01):
and and and you know, any other participants to get
a deal. But if you can't enforce it, you know
what good is it? As Larry's it's a piece of paper.
Speaker 17 (02:43:12):
Yeah, And I do we applauded the deal on this
very on this very show when when it was first
when it was first made, and saying of course that
we were skeptical and we were going to judge it
as as things proceeded and whether they're actually going to
go through with it or if this is just something
(02:43:33):
to grab the headlines and eventually frankfully grab Gaza and
turn it into some kind of a some kind of
a property that that Trump can say he's in charge of.
I mean, we hope it doesn't go that way. And
any kind of ceasefire was celebrated by the Palestinian people.
(02:43:54):
I think they'll take any kind of break from the
shelling and bombing that they've gotten over the past two
years that they can get. But I do I worry,
And you're absolutely right not to trust anything that mister
Nettne who says, but I worried that our own president
is taking a page out of his book. We have
(02:44:15):
seen mister Nettanne, who use the bombing of other countries
Lebanon and Syria and Yemen and so forth to distract
from his own domestic scandals. And I fear that the
President of the United States is willing to do the
same thing. I mean, right now, many Democrats in Congress say, hey,
(02:44:36):
the government may be shut down, but that doesn't mean
we can't sit in fession and agree to things like
paying our military. And the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,
has said nope, we're not going to do that. And
they're even entertaining paying our troops through donations from billionaires.
I mean, this is ridiculous, and it all may be
(02:45:00):
so they can, so they can avoid personal scandals for politicians,
including the President of the United States. I mean, it's
instead of government for the people, it's government for one man.
And that man's name is Donald Trump.
Speaker 12 (02:45:15):
No doubt, you know.
Speaker 19 (02:45:16):
I just I just look at all of this, and
I think, you know, if you had somebody, you know,
whether it's Baker or you know, whether it's Cyrus Vance, whomever,
back of the last you know, fifty sixty years of
different diplomats, you know, somebody would stand up in the
(02:45:39):
room and go to a leader, whether it's Roosevelt or
Eisenhower or even Reagan, and they would say enough of this.
But I don't see anybody, not Trump, not net Yeah,
who I mean, Trump and net Yahoo are in the
same situation. They want to basically punt and stay in
power because they get in the case of Trump, the
(02:46:01):
Epstein situation. In the case of nen Yaho, they end
the war, he goes to jail, or he gets into
a very legal battle that's going to cost him, you know,
millions of dollars one or the other. So, I mean,
you know, it's so how do you get leadership with that?
I mean, Hamas is a military squad, So I mean,
what are we doing here? I mean, none of these
(02:46:22):
people are you know, quote Kennedy profiles and courage, Larry.
Speaker 23 (02:46:30):
Well, You're right, I mean, and I think you really
raise something that's very critical is that you're always going
to have crises in particularly in the foreign policy realm,
given our status in the world and what you want
to do with you who ought to have the competent
people there to be able to deal with the situations,
(02:46:52):
because if you don't, then you're going to make a
tough situation almost impossible. And that is a problem I
mean with with Trump. I mean, if you just take
a look at what's happening in Ukraine, he's proved, you know,
sometime pro Putin anti Putin. And I can tell you
(02:47:13):
people I've spoken to about his trip to Asia, they're
trying to, you know, make them happy, but do all
these things that they normally wouldn't do because they realize
that he is still powerful and he can make things happy.
But you know, he seems to get up and if
he decides one day, you know, I don't like that, yahoo,
(02:47:34):
or I do like that now, then he'll change the
policy or you know, keeps talking about, oh I get
along great with Putin? Are you kidding me? Can you
imagine if in World War Two, you know, Roosevelt said, well,
Hitler and I have had a great conversation, so we're
not going to do Normandy.
Speaker 19 (02:47:56):
Yeah, you know, it's it's sad, but this is the
reality that we face, and that's that that is the problem,
you know, all right, I want to see if we
gonna put up the phone lines. Good friend John always
wants to have a thought on the number of foreign
policy issues in Minnesota. If he's still there, Kevin, Let's
(02:48:17):
go to him on the.
Speaker 12 (02:48:20):
Phone from Minneapolis.
Speaker 19 (02:48:21):
John your next with Larry Korb and Brian Garby.
Speaker 21 (02:48:31):
I'm still here, okay, right right, John, David very good.
Speaker 29 (02:48:36):
Yeah, Yeah, since the cease fire, you know, two hundred
and eleven, I heard Palestinians have been killed, and you know,
that's really not much of a cease fire for the Palestinians,
but I sort of predicted it. When you know they
they actually had a cease fire. They really have very
(02:48:59):
little to do with any Palestinians as far as how
this ceasefire goes. And then they have all kinds of demands,
like they're demanding that the Palestinians find the bodies of
the you know, hostages, the Israeli hostice hostages, which they
(02:49:22):
don't have the equipment to do. So it's a catch
twenty two. And I think that it was just to
placate the world because the world has spoken, not this country,
but the rest of the world. You know, our NATO
allies have spoken and said that you know, this is
a genocide and it needs to stop. And that's all
(02:49:47):
I really have to say. So that's what I would like.
I'd like it to completely stop and move from a
cease fire to an actual peace agreement with a recognition
of Palestine as a state, which it should be.
Speaker 12 (02:50:00):
This is the case from.
Speaker 29 (02:50:02):
The World War two fought for Yeah, he was anti
fascist and he fought for self determination of people throughout
the world.
Speaker 16 (02:50:11):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 19 (02:50:13):
That's all well said. Uh, well said John O'Brien. You know,
I mean, how realistic is John's hope? Uh, you know,
become in reality?
Speaker 17 (02:50:27):
Well, I think that, you know, we we always try
and stay stay optimistic, right, because things can change. But
if the if the general possibility of our government does
not change towards Israel, then you know what hope can
we have that that things can change? I mean, to
take the moral arguments completely out of it. We're talking
(02:50:51):
about a country in Israel, uh, that has enough money
that it gives its people highly subsidized college occasion, that
guarantees health care for its citizens as a right. I mean,
take all the moral arguments out of it. We don't
have those things exactly. I mean, if we're talking about
(02:51:12):
we can't even pay snap benefits to people going out
without fruit, why are we paying for Israel's military doesn't
make much sense to me.
Speaker 19 (02:51:20):
No, well said, Well, said Brian. I mean, you know, Larry,
I mean it's hard to argue against that. I mean,
I understand you have limited government and you know in
the Reagan DNA.
Speaker 21 (02:51:31):
And so forth, but I mean that is very true.
Speaker 19 (02:51:33):
I mean, I you know, just talk to people who
are being laid off, the federal government workers, some more
are our vets and military folks as well, and there's
some you know that are in food lines. You see
them in different clips on on the news media today
and again we spoke with Lee Blackman of the National
(02:51:54):
Association of Government Employees. We're going to have run again
because this is an issue that's ongoing and ongoing and ongoing,
and you know, it.
Speaker 21 (02:52:03):
Seems like this administration a doesn't care.
Speaker 19 (02:52:07):
You know, they don't seem to have an empathetic bone
in their body. And I think that, you know, we
have a lot of people who need help, and we're
giving money to wealthy tax cuts to wealthy one percenters.
(02:52:27):
And at the same time we're giving money, as Brian
just eloquently said, you know, to a country in the
Middle East that is very well put together in a
democratic way, small d to help their citizen read, which
we have problems here doing just that.
Speaker 23 (02:52:47):
Larry, Well, you could not imagine, as I mentioned before,
a worse leadership in both the United States and Israel.
I mean, if you have moknockham Bagan for example right now,
or you know, you had Franklin Roosevelt or Eisenhower, you know,
(02:53:08):
or my boss Reagan, you would be able to handle
this situation much better. So we've compounded the problem. Now.
I will give Trump credit. They did move toward an agreement.
They did have a seatfire the killing stuff for a while.
Speaker 8 (02:53:25):
The real problem, though, as.
Speaker 23 (02:53:27):
Has already been mentioned, what happens when the parties don't
go along with doing it and everything. We have some
information that Trump and his people have stopped net yeah
who are a couple of times, but they didn't on the
last time. They told them to go ahead because of
what they felt were violations by you know, by Hamas.
(02:53:52):
So that's the problem that you have. When you have
these crisis you need good leadership. And if you don't
have good leadership, you're not going to do a good
good job. Look what happened in this country when we
had George the second Borsh. I you will rather than
the father after nine to eleven. How he bungled that.
Speaker 19 (02:54:13):
Right, I mean, I mean I remember, I remember so
many people, including my my, my, my music hero in
Bono saying, you know, you guys had everything going for you.
The world, you know, was on your side after nine
to eleven. You know, I mean our you know, our nemesis. Now,
(02:54:35):
the Iranians came to our came to what I know, Larry,
you mentioned this many times, came to our defense about
what happened. You know, many of the terrorists from Saudi Arabia, right, So,
I mean, you know, in the whole Zunisia thing, it's
just amazing, you know where we are and and frankly,
you know it's it's hard to for some people to
(02:54:59):
hear this. But you know, again we had Jonathan Jackson
on great congressman from Chicago and his father had a
great line, Reverend Jesse Jackson. And I keep going back
to this because you almost have to in this period
of dismay, is keep hope alive, Keep hope alive, because
(02:55:20):
if you lose hope, then we're really screwed. And Brian,
I look at it this way, because if you know,
I mean, I don't want to end on a negative
because I just think that's you know, what I'm trying
to do here is to inform people and educate them
and understand what they may not get from the mainstream
media and so forth.
Speaker 21 (02:55:40):
So I have to go back to this idea that.
Speaker 19 (02:55:45):
If we don't keep a positive attitude, that we're going
to get through this, like we've gotten through a lot
of other things, world War One and World War two
and Vietnam and the Civil War, and you know, the
you know, slavery in this country, and and you know,
the civil rights battles and so on and so forth.
(02:56:06):
You know, I I have to think that if we
don't do that, it's it's it's it decimates any chance
that we can keep our democracy. And again I go
back to the to the idea of peace and peace action.
Speaker 21 (02:56:22):
Your your final thoughts on this, ran.
Speaker 17 (02:56:26):
Yeah, I think what the president is doing it can
be very negative and it can make people feel that despair.
You know, what he's doing to American diplomacy and you know,
going along with the attacking of diplomats who are actively
negotiating with in Iran, Yeah, and the Hamas negotiators in Qatar.
And I think what's We've been picking on the president
(02:56:49):
a lot, and and rightly so, but a lot of
the blame also falls on Congress, which should be standing
up for their own institution and checking president. They are
our first branch of government. But to end on a
positive note, I will say that veterans in this country
are standing up, including I met with some of them
(02:57:12):
last night. They're planning a nationwide effort and cities across
the country on Veterans Day to find out more. I
encourage your listeners to visit that's they know dot org.
They're very concerned about the deployments of troops in our streets,
about ice, about new wars that could be starting, and
(02:57:34):
they're speaking up and they deserve a lot of deference
and respect and they're using that to stand up for
our values in this country.
Speaker 21 (02:57:43):
That's wonderful. And where again is these events happening, Brian?
Speaker 17 (02:57:51):
These events are happening all across the country. And to
find out where and how to get involved on Veterans Day,
you can go to vetsy know dot org.
Speaker 19 (02:58:03):
Fantastic vets say no dot org will go ahead and
post that. As a as a Vietnam Vet, Larry, I
think you you understand the importance of that happening. You know,
your your thoughts on on on what Brian has said
with that particular event and and how veterans who have
(02:58:26):
picked up a weapon, but also you know understand that
it's not a weapon that saves democracy or builds democracy.
It's the ability to bring people together, which diplomats do
and sometimes after a conflict or a war.
Speaker 21 (02:58:44):
And I hope that you know that can continue again.
And this is internal fight in America, sadly, and whoever
the next president is, you know, is going to be
responsible for doing just that. Your final thoughts, my friend, well.
Speaker 23 (02:59:00):
Well, you got the veterans thing, and don't forget what
we had last week where you had the demonstrations over
the whole country, and I think happened. And that's why
I'm optimistic, is you know, we picked we already knew
what Trump was when we picked them the second time,
so it's partly our fault. But I think the country
is beginning to recover, and this veterans thing is one thing.
(02:59:23):
What we had last weekend is another step in the
right direction. So I'm optimistic that we're going in the
right way. Of course, we've been you know, we made
such bad decisions.
Speaker 19 (02:59:36):
That's right, Well, we need to continue to make better ones.
Larry Core Brian Garvey, thank you for making the decision
to come on the show. We appreciate you both. Next
week video and then New York. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 23 (02:59:49):
Okank you.
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Now here's Jeff.
Speaker 19 (06:57):
Thank you Kevin, and good afternoon, into my arkins and
welcome to the Jeff Santo Show. It is great to
be with you on this Hunt Day edition Wednesday edition
of the Jeff Santo Show. It's a little cool here
in New England. So I got the sweatshirt slash combination
Bruin's fleece on, so it is going to be a
(07:20):
lot of hot topics if it's a cool day, right, Well,
we got a lot of stuff going down, of course,
with the decision, with the shutdown and the effects it
has on federal workers. So we're going to talk to
the federal director of the fantastic union whichs have been
a supporter of mine over the years, of the National
Association of Government Employees and Age SCIU and AGE is
(07:43):
their official name. Lee Sutton, their federal director, will join
us from Washington, d C. At about three point thirty
three Eastern time. We'll get into all the complications and
we're going to continue to do this over the next
few days.
Speaker 12 (07:58):
Folks.
Speaker 19 (07:59):
This shutdown is affecting so many people. The snap folks.
I'll give a lot of credit here to CNN and MSNBC.
They're talking about this issue. This is critical to the
average worker, and this is something that this show and
others will continue. Who understand what is like to live
off of snap off of food stamps and so forth.
(08:21):
So all those things are very important. And we're going
to be talking again with Lee Sutton coming up at
three point thirty three. Well, it is before Congress. They
are the decision makers. Republicans control the House. They're still
holding on to the fact that Grahalva, the congressman congress
(08:42):
woman elect, is still not seated yet they say, well,
she can do her duties. Bs that's bs On Johnson,
who's doing the work of mister Trump. Of course, of
the Epstein case, and once that opens up, that may
not be where we are today with the Republican Party
and mister Trump. Lots of stuff that is in those
(09:03):
files that yet to be released, so we'll find out.
I'm going to talk to a good friend of the program,
Representative Jonathan Jackson will join us from Chicago.
Speaker 20 (09:13):
Uh.
Speaker 19 (09:13):
He of course is the Reverend Jesse Jackson's son, and
we are very excited to hear that Reverend Jesse Jackson
is doing well. Of course he has Parkinson's. So we'll
talk to our good friend from Chicago, the Congressman Jonathan Jackson,
will join us at about four oh six Eastern time,
(09:35):
that's one o six Pacific, and shout out to our
friends at casey AA mark in the gang there in
Sam Bernardino, Greater Los Angeles. Then old friend they used
to be a regular on Wednesday, and hopefully he will
be again. Joe Williams, formerly of the Boston Globe uh
(09:57):
and uh and also has done some more with Politico
and a few other places now is the managing director
for Word in Black, and as a great African American
journalist that he is, is great to see him with
an organization that respects what he writes and his experiences
(10:19):
growing up, you know. Just in another person i'd like
to have on a close friend of herb Boyd, who
join us tomorrow, of course, is going to be Kenneth Meeks,
the great journalist who wrote the book Driving While Black.
Joe Williams knows about Walking while Black. I'll tell you
(10:41):
those stories coming up today at four thirty. Then the
final hour it's Korb and Garvey Foreign Policy Hour here
on the Jeff Santo Show, coming up at five oh six.
Brian Garvey, Mass Piece Action, Deputy Director of Course, Larry Korb,
former Reagan Deputy Defense Secretary under President Reagan, and Casper Weinberger,
(11:03):
who was the Defense Secretary at the time in the
early eighties and now at the Center for American Progress.
So we get a full show phone number to join
us eight three three five four five five three three three.
Now we're going to make the announcement today, but we
are going to save the music and the celebration in
(11:26):
all that for either Friday or Monday, because we are
starting on WGHT AM fifteen hundred, New York City, Northern
New Jersey. So excited about being in New York. It's
been a long time since this show has been in
New York City. We were there and I think tenenty eleven,
twenty twelve, so it was it was it's great news
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that is now official. We'll start on Monday from three
to six Eastern time, so we'll be on an afternoon
drive and we're looking forward to being there again on
AM fifteen hundred WGHT. And thank the F and F
boys for putting that deal together. We're really excited about
that starting on Monday, and we'll play all the music
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and so forth. But we get lots of stuff going
on obviously this week in California for Prop fifty, we
got obviously the Mamdani race in New York City, and
there's still stuff in New Jersey and Virginia to be
decided those governors races, and don't forget about Pennsylvania either.
Speaker 21 (12:26):
So there's a lot of stuff, a lot.
Speaker 19 (12:29):
Of things going on, and we're going to try to
be there as much as we can as we look
to expand, you know, in the coming weeks and hopefully
into the beginning of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 21 (12:41):
Here on the Jeff Santo Show. I want to also alert.
Speaker 19 (12:46):
You to a new email that we have and I
thank the A team for going ahead and putting this together.
Speaker 21 (12:56):
And that is.
Speaker 19 (12:59):
A pretty easy one to connect with. But I will
give it to you correctly because I don't want to
make sure that they don't screw this up. It's Jeff
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that's the first time we've given it out, So please
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dot com. So a lot of new changes going on,
you know, look, it's it's it's exciting to expand and
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it's exciting to be in a lot of different big
markets like New York and Los Angeles, San Francisco of course,
but I tell you, you know, the experience that we
have with stations that you know may not have the
big fifty thousand watts signals are extremely important to what
(14:08):
this show does. And whether it's our friends at w
c AP AM Night eighty which gets from Boston into
New Hampshire, southern New Hampshire, we're looking to have on
Congressman PAPIs he's gonna he's running for Senate. That's an
incredibly important two cities in Manchester and Nashua that CAAP
gets into. And of course we're so excited about being
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on k CIA because the coverage is not only great
in the Innal Empire, they'll be a very important congressional
race in Riverside next year. But it gets into long Beach, Anaheim,
and of course into parts of Los Angeles, which are
really important in South Bay in particular.
Speaker 21 (14:51):
So you know, this is what it is. It takes.
Speaker 19 (14:54):
It takes smaller, mid size, large stations, and we're on
a couple in cal California, as we talked about KABC
in LA and KSFO and San Francisco, but it takes
all of it. And that's a course complimented on our
side by our great a team. On the social media
marketing phase of things, our numbers on Facebook and TikTok
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are up because of the great team we put together,
and we want you to sort of be able to
communicate with us. Starting next week, we probably will have
a text number and we'll talk to our good friend
Sam p about that going forward as we can. We
debut in New York City on Monday. So there's a
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number of things that are going on, all which are exciting,
and you know, it's been a whirlwind over the last
three three and a half weeks, but we're looking forward
to this. Moving into twenty twenty six, we need to
have the Democrats back in power in both the House
and the Senate. We hope to be helpful in making
(16:00):
sure that that happens to inform voters of what is
at stake. You cannot allow this great democracy about to
celebrate two hundred and fifty years of being a democracy
to just be thrown it all away because one guy
wants to continue to put money that the government should
be having in his pocket and the people that his
(16:22):
family and other friends of his are doing the same thing.
Speaker 21 (16:25):
That is outrageous and that has to end.
Speaker 19 (16:27):
Seven million people you know, basically told that story when
they went out and protested non violently, peacefully at the
No King's event.
Speaker 21 (16:39):
So what we have here, folks, what we have here is.
Speaker 19 (16:43):
An opportunity to and this this this term has been
used so many times by both Republicans and Democrats.
Speaker 21 (16:51):
Is too peacefully.
Speaker 19 (16:52):
And that's the key word in all this take back
our country from the from the one percent, the billionaires
who of course pay a lot of hate merchants to
do a lot of things to disrupt this country. We
see it on the streets from Los Angeles and Chicago
and so on. And that is not the American way.
(17:16):
That is a ruthless, bully world that America should never
be part of. That's what happens in dictatorships, whether they're
left or right. You know, whether we're talking about you know, Russia,
which at one time was left now is just a
dictatorship and ideology is out the door. It's a capitalistic country,
(17:40):
or whether it was Cuba of years ago, or whether
we're talking about elements of Venezuela. The fact is, and
of course orbon and you know, I mean, you can
go on and on and on. The Pinochet government was
as right wing as you could potentially get in Chile.
So there's all of that. To question is is how
do you maintain a citizenry that is concerned about their jobs,
(18:07):
concerned about healthcare, concerned about you know, the benefits that
somebody has. I'll give seeing in credit here they had
some They had a woman on from Maine earlier, and
she was fully employed for a long time, and you know,
she has a child and and you know she had
to go on a staff, you know, just survive. Well,
(18:33):
it was difficult for her. She was embarrassed at first
and so forth. And there are a lot of people
in that category. And this to me is where America
over the last say, thirty five forty years since Reagan
came in, This whole idea that you're weak, that you know,
(18:53):
you're you're as as the woman who was interviewed said that, oh, well,
you know, they think that people like me, you know,
are are feeding kids donuts and sweets and so forth,
and they're not getting any nutrition. That's all bs. And
you know, again people hit and the federal government workers
and we'll talk to Lee Sutton coming up here in
(19:14):
about fifteen minutes.
Speaker 21 (19:16):
They are.
Speaker 19 (19:19):
They are the people on the front lines protecting their
their members the again in Age National Association and government employees.
But on top of that, these employees, you know, working
for their federal government is not you know, a five
hundred thousand dollars a year gig.
Speaker 21 (19:40):
It's not a million. It's not a five million. This
is this. These these are folks.
Speaker 19 (19:48):
Forty thousand and sixty thousand, Maybe some make a hundreds,
I'm not exactly sure the whole salary structure, maybe even more,
but they're not they're not multi millionaires.
Speaker 21 (19:58):
Put it that way.
Speaker 19 (20:00):
So when you lay these folks off a couple of
what the news was yesterday of fourteen thousand people a
lot of warehouse workers at Amazon, the average American feels
like they're in a hole and they feel like nobody.
Speaker 21 (20:15):
Is listening to them. And that leads to two things.
Speaker 19 (20:20):
It leads to somebody not wanting to report that they
need help. You know, if you ever hear of, you know,
people who commit suicide, lots of times, they don't tell
anybody that they're feeling.
Speaker 21 (20:36):
Depressed. They don't want to go to a therapist, they
don't want to.
Speaker 19 (20:40):
Go to a doctor at all. And this is the thing.
It's a depressing in the sense of putting down you know,
anybody who wants to connect with help with government to
get economic aid. Some people you know who wouldn't even
(21:02):
apply for Social Security years ago. I mean, that's pretty
much not the case anymore. A lot I can't get
any I don't want to get any help from anybody.
And of course, you know it's taken out of your
paycheck if you work for a company. But the point
is is that this embarrassment issue is ridiculous. People need
(21:25):
to help each other. The whole concept of helping each
other is incredibly important. You know, people do this in
New England during snowstorms and the Midwest as well, and
the government is there as a foundation. Think of it
as a pool of money to help that person when
(21:45):
a hurricane hits. Look what's happening in Jamaica right now,
you know, and you know I don't see President Trump
talking about this. We'll talk with Congressman Jackson about this.
Speaker 21 (21:59):
What should the.
Speaker 19 (22:00):
Role of the of the United States. We saw the
awful response under Trump one to Puerto Rico. Remember that
throwing the paper towels insulting. So it is incredibly important
to understand you know, where it is and how it
(22:21):
is in this country. So that is the That is
where we're at right now. I want to open up
the phones to UH for you to call in, and
let's go to Stephen in the East Bay. Your first
this hour. Stephen, Welcome to the Jeff Santo Show. Hope
(22:45):
you're feeling better, my friend.
Speaker 22 (22:47):
I'm almost there, feeling still a little tired, but nonetheless
one of the best shows on radios. I wanted to
call in. My question to you is you're welcome.
Speaker 23 (22:59):
So I've been doing a.
Speaker 22 (23:00):
Lot of research going back in time with a civil
rights movement, and it seemed to me the answer for
us is a general strike. The Children's March in nineteen
sixty three in Birmingham, it galvanized thousands of young folk
and then it just spread across the nation with the
(23:21):
lunch counter protest. When are we going to do something
similar in terms of having a general strike to wake
everyone up? Because I don't see I don't see any
hope at the moment, and if you do, please, I'd
love to hear your input.
Speaker 19 (23:36):
Thank you, Thank you, Steven, and again feel better well. Yesterday,
Melissa Tomlinson, our great guest on Tuesdays on Teacher Tuesday,
is the executive director of Badass Teachers, brought up exactly that.
Speaker 21 (23:52):
Stephen.
Speaker 19 (23:53):
She brought up the idea that we need the general
strike in twenty twenty eight, you know, again our friends
in France, and again the more we'll talk about this
today with Larry Corby and Brian Garvey, we'll try to
get it in there. We don't usually get into that
part of it, but a lot of European countries they
have general strikes. The French can shut down Paris, you know,
(24:14):
in ten minutes. As an example. It is important to,
in my opinion, open up that conversation.
Speaker 12 (24:25):
I was at a rally in.
Speaker 21 (24:27):
Twenty twenty two.
Speaker 19 (24:28):
I believe with Bernie Sanders, Sean O'Brien of the Teamsterirs
and a couple of other folks too, And one of
the things that was brought up there was Sarah Nelson
of the Flight Attendance Union brought it up.
Speaker 21 (24:45):
And that is a general strike. Now that didn't happen
in you know, in the last three years, but you
go to have a real.
Speaker 19 (24:54):
You know, climax in twenty twenty eight is whether or
not Trump will leave, you know, because his term would
be up at the end of January of twenty nine.
You also have an election that year. If we have
an election, We're going to talk to Greg Palace on
Friday about that. And so, you know, there's all those
(25:16):
pieces that I think people are talking about it. I
think people understand that there needs to be more pressure.
And there's seven million people who came out on the
No King's Day events across the country. I think it's
just another example that they're sick and tired. As the
old African American proverbs says, sick and tired of being
sick and tired. And I think that that is the
(25:38):
case regardless of your African American, Latino, Caucasian, Asian, whatever
the case may be. So I think that is probably
something that is for a lot of progressives and a
lot of people in general. You know, that may be
the avenue because there again they're really frustrated, and that's
being kind with how the government has run. And again,
(26:03):
I am a Democrat. People know that I'm a progressive Democrat.
But you know, for the most part, this has been
Republicans on steroids and some Democrats unfortunately have gone along
with them, notably people like Bill Clinton and others. And
this is, in my opinion, where you need to change.
And Bernie Sanders has brought some change. He needs to
(26:24):
get more allies inside the establishment of the Democratic Party,
and if he does, I think it could be a
win win. So that's how I look at it, my friend,
and I think it's right for to bring it up,
and I think it's a healthy thing. You know, again,
the Europeans have done this for years. They don't fall apart.
In fact, they provide more stability because of unions cradle
(26:49):
to grave. You know, they're not cutting snap, they're not
doing things that destroy the foundation that's been built for
you know, eighty ninety years, whatever.
Speaker 21 (26:58):
The case may be.
Speaker 19 (26:59):
And them, a lot of them, as Michael Moore, the
great you know filmmaker, has said they have followed the
FDR model, you know, after he died in forty five.
A lot of these countries, from folks in France to
Iceland have all continued the FDR way. We need to
(27:20):
do that right here in the United States of America.
Appreciate the call, Stephen. I hope that helps.
Speaker 22 (27:26):
You're welcome, Thank you.
Speaker 21 (27:28):
No, thank you.
Speaker 19 (27:30):
Stephen of course a big Dodgers fan, so he's got
a big game tonight in Los Angeles, the Blue Jays
one after the Dodgers and Freddie Freeman had a fantastic
eighteen inning game with the Blue Jays and Freddie free
as our friend Mark de Rosa, who should be a
manager in MLB, you know, would call him former Atlanta
(27:54):
Brave Freddie Freeman, and was just a clutch hit in
the eighteenth inning. I didn't watch because it was like
four o'clock in the morning here in the East Coast,
but for those West Coast Dodger fans, they were very excited.
So now we go to Game five and the series
ships back to Canada, which of course is not very happy.
If you heard Doug McLean in the show A couple
(28:15):
of weeks ago, the former Florida Panthers coach. He still
lives in the Winters and the winner of Well, he
lives in South Florida. In the Winners he goes and
lives in Prince Edward Island where he grew up in Canada,
and he's stuck in the middle between the hate of
(28:38):
the world of Trump and people in Canada who just
are so angry at mister Trump that it becomes really problematic.
You know, for someone like Doug, who's probably more of
a middle of the road Republican. Of course, he's done
very well as an HL coach general manager, and you
(29:01):
know he looks at this as just there's no reason
it should have happened. And now they're doing doubling down
because the premiere of Ontario not basically an our version
of an American governor, you know, put up an ad
with featuring Ronald Reagan. You know, it's this kindergarten stuff,
(29:22):
you know, I mean, they don't play with my toys.
Speaker 21 (29:24):
It's that kind of stuff. That's the sad part.
Speaker 19 (29:26):
But that's the reality we face, all right, Our good
friendly Sutton joins us on the other side. Your tune
in to the Jeff Santo Show. Be right back after
this time out.
Speaker 8 (29:44):
Okay, see a.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
A okay, hold on, I'm getting something here. Breaking news
out of California tonight. The results are in and voters
have just passed Crop fifty. What this is a major
le Donald Thomas to power earlier.
Speaker 10 (30:05):
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He weighed one hundred and five when he began grade school,
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(30:42):
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So far, thirty three minutes past the hour.
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It is the Jeff Santos Show that you aren't tuned
into coming. You lie from the South coast. You're in
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. We are going to go down
to the nation's capital and speak with Lee Blackman.
Speaker 21 (33:58):
She again is representative from NAGE.
Speaker 19 (34:01):
She is an important piece of our conversation today in
terms of what is happening with the shutdown and what
is happening to workers like federal government workers, and that
to me is the important part. She is the federal
director for n AGE s CiU. Great great friend David
(34:23):
Holloway and the rest of the folks there of the
Jeff santo Show, and they did a lot for me,
and I am very happy to bring Lee to the
Jeff Santo Show for the first time. Lee, it's great
to have you here. Thank you for participating in the
Jeff Santo Show and alerting our listenership to and viewers.
(34:45):
Of course, you can go to the Jeff Santoshow dot
com and actually watch the show. And Lee has been
kind enough to get his to have her on video.
So we're very much excited about this interview. Lee, So
talk to me about the stories that you are reading about.
(35:06):
I see the video of federal government workers in soup lines,
waiting in lines not to buy, you know, a trip
to the Bahamas or you know, to go out and
buy a maserati, but they're they're basically surviving. This is
(35:27):
survival time for so many, hundreds of thousands of folks.
Talk to me about what the stories you're hearing and
what is at stake for so many Americans right now.
Speaker 28 (35:37):
Absolutely, Jeff, I want to thank you for this opportunity
to be on today and of course provide a platform
for the over one hundred thousand workers that we represent
here at age. Of those over seventy five thousand federal workers,
and a number of them of course, are right in
(35:58):
the Greater Boston area working at your Department Affectors Affairs,
your of course, Department of Defense, Army, Navy, air Force.
So we thank you for this opportunity. And as you said,
and most of us of course realize that, and there's
no secret many of us do live paycheck to paycheck,
(36:18):
and those of us that do have savings of any
sort of course, unfortunately they're just not able to sustain
us for what we're seeing right now, going into what
almost thirty days of a government shut down. So right
now our members are reporting this is they're going on
their second of course, without their second paycheck. And I
(36:42):
don't care who you are and what you do. And
of course the administration would like to purport that federal
workers are lazy or they're wasteful. They're not, of course
work there you know, their salaries, whatever their salary is.
Of course, all of us really want the same thing.
We want to be able to pay our mortgage, live comfortably,
(37:04):
of course, send our kids to school, live in nice neighborhoods,
and afford a decent quality of life. So yes, that's
what's happening right now. The reports that you're receiving, they're
not inflated. We right now, day in and day out,
are working together with local state government and of course
nonprofit organizations, trying to identify resources, basic resources for our members,
(37:29):
for federal workers generally, these are the individuals who donate
to these fool things are the ones now who are
standing in line. So what we're doing is working with
organizations to make sure that they can do the very
basic thing that we take for granted, going to get
a cup of coffee from Starbucks in the morning, that's
not an option. Those moneies are now making sure that
(37:50):
they can put gas in tank and then of course
trying to find a way to make sure they can
put a hot meal on the table at the end
of the day. And that's the reality of it right now.
And this is happening day in and day out, and
we're approaching what a very big holiday season coming up.
What does that look like to them?
Speaker 19 (38:09):
Yeah, exactly is it empty under the Christmas tree or
any other ornament, whatever religion you celebrate, it's going to
be empty. And that is a sad thing, particularly for
young children, you know, if this continues. Now, look, we'll
be talking to Congressman Jonathan Jackson from Chicago in the
(38:32):
next hour, and you know, we're gonna ask him his
thoughts about to shut down and to ask him about
his thoughts about you know, what is happening here to
people in this country. You know, this is something that,
in my opinion, it should never have happened. You know,
Donald Trump has come in with this anti government viewpoint
that you guys are all lazy and you don't do anything,
(38:54):
and you're overpaid. And as I said at the top
in my commentary, this is all yes, because people who
are federal government workers, people who work for state government,
people who you know, work at municipal government. These are
people who are not making multimillion dollars. These are people
who working long hours make sure the trains run on time,
(39:17):
to make sure that your benefits get sent in a
check form or direct deposited, you know, whatever it might be.
You know, and and the audacity of a billionaire who
who never you know, lived in modest incomes, you know,
to do this, it's just outrageous. But this is this
(39:38):
is Donald Trump, this is the Republican Party of today
and and so forth. So I guess how do we
get to you know, if you want to talk about
second base how do we get to the point where
we can get an agreement. I understand Lindsay Graham today
had talked about after the election on November fourth, next Tuesday,
which hopefully the Democrats in my view speak for me,
(40:00):
not you, that that they will sweep and this will
be an embarrassment going forward for the Republicans and they'll
come to the table and the Democrats have to come
to the table as well. What is your hope because
I can only imagine my next question after this is,
you know, how long do we have that people can
(40:20):
hold out? I mean, you can only borrow so much
from your friends and family and then what leep?
Speaker 28 (40:27):
Yeah, great question. So a lot there to unpack, and
it is unfortunate. There's so much that's going on to
what I would say, distract the American people from the
core issues that are happening. But right now we know
the Republicans are trying to spend the shut down as
the Democrat the Democrats fault, and the truth is, and
(40:49):
we understand the basis of this, the Democrats are fighting
to prefit an astronomical increase in America's healthcare premium next year,
and of course that's just going to add insult to
injury to these same individuals who are out of work
right now. The right to affordable health care should be
a right of all, not just of the wealthy. Now,
(41:10):
of course, the question is what do we do to
get to second base. We have to Congress has to,
the Republicans have to, and the Democrats have to come
to reach a bipartisan, of course, continuing resolution that of
course reopens the government. I for one, of course, a family,
a mother of four, we have fortunately a two income family,
(41:33):
but we're seeing these costs and we know that, of
course what's going to happen. Of course, we need to
be able to send our kids to the dentists, be
able to get that preventive care taken care of. We
understand the long term effects of not having affordable health care.
So this is a very important issue that is important
to of course, many of the voters that are out there,
(41:54):
and what we need to do is, of course pass
a bill. But the voters are going to have to
pay attention to what's going on, not of course way
on the on the sideline, and take their democratic right
to vote more important than we've been doing in the past.
If the only way we're going to make a difference
is to do so at the polls. That is, by far,
(42:17):
these primaries that are coming up are probably, and we've
said it before, they're the most important in history. These
primaries are by far the most important in our history.
So we need our voters to come out. But right now,
what we need Congress to do is pass a bill
that gets thought to the betterment of all American people,
(42:38):
not just some. And of course it needs to include
affordable healthcare. So we need the government open. You're correct,
I don't know how much longer these workers can go
without pay. And of course we're already seeing disruptions. We're
already seeing we were present SAA workers. They are required
(43:02):
to go to work each and every day. You can't
take a furlough notice to the gas station to get
put gas.
Speaker 12 (43:07):
In your car.
Speaker 28 (43:08):
You can't take furlough notice to the grocery store to
buy groceries. And these are those basics, every day, fundamental
essential that all of us need. So we really need
to give thought to that. We really need to give
thought to those hardcore issues. And we asked, you know,
the parties to come together.
Speaker 12 (43:26):
Please.
Speaker 19 (43:28):
We're talking with Lee Blackman again Federal director at s
CiU and age of course U s ci Ahe headquartered
in Quincy, Massachusetts, and of course with offices around the country,
including Washington, d C. Where where Lee joins us from today.
Talk to me a little bit and want to open
up the phone lines at eight three three five four
(43:49):
five five three three three and we'll go to john
and Minnesota in a minute. But I want to I
want to ask you this, so we get a compromise.
As I said, you know, Lindsey Graham and I'm SNBC said,
you know, maybe we'll sit down and we'll have a
meaning in all this. But you know what happens if
they say, all right, well we'll get another couple of
(44:12):
weeks and then we'll have another shut down right before Christmas.
I mean what if they give you sort of you know,
half measures, then.
Speaker 28 (44:21):
What at this point I think that I don't think
the American people want to have measures. We need Congress
to do what they were elected to do and have
some meaningful discussions, not just kick the can down the road.
I think that will only add insul to injury. It
may be a very small, short lived reprieve. Employees, may
(44:44):
you know, get paid. We don't know right now. We've
heard reports that, of course the administration wants to remake
on the twenty nineteen Act, that of course requires by
law them to pay these furlow workers back pay, But
that's up in the air. Are they going to make
good on their word? So that would be a temporary
repriet that will of course get them just one more month,
(45:07):
But that's not really doing the job.
Speaker 17 (45:09):
Is that.
Speaker 28 (45:12):
Our American dollars working the way that they're supposed to
be working. Is that Congress being held accountable to do
the work that they've been elected to do. And of
course what everyone continues to say is it is truly
just unfair that these into elected officials are receiving pay. Wow,
that average job's citizen is not. So something has to give,
(45:34):
something has to change. We need meaningful discussion, We need
to have some really deep conversations about what all of America,
not just some of America needs given.
Speaker 19 (45:47):
We're speaking with Lee Blackman, Federal Director of seiun Age.
Phone number to join us is eight three three five
four five five three three three. Let's go to Minnesota.
Talk to our good friend John in Minneapolis. Your next
with Lee Blackman of sei un AGE. That's again International
Association of Government Employees. So go right to HEDG John.
Speaker 29 (46:11):
Yeah, it's really repulsive when you consider that they're sending
money to Brazil to bail them out. I think it's
eighty billion dollars. They're violating the Sack the Hatch Act
by on the us DA website saying that it's the
(46:32):
Democrat's fault that there is a shutdown, which is absolutely
absolutely false. They could end the shutdown at any time.
That's just, you know, just an out and out lie.
Speaker 23 (46:47):
You know.
Speaker 29 (46:48):
So there's a lot of things going on, and at
the same time that they're not showing up to work,
but they're getting paid. People like the air traffic controllers
and the TSA workers, UH cannot you know, they are
not furloughed. They're they're going to be there without pay.
(47:08):
And then he has the audacity to turn around and say, well,
I'm not going to pay their back pay, you know,
and all of this in the end is going to
cost us more money.
Speaker 23 (47:18):
Uh.
Speaker 29 (47:19):
And then they'll try to blame the Democrats.
Speaker 20 (47:22):
For the shutdown.
Speaker 29 (47:23):
We'll just you know, persist on with it, uh, using
their propaganda channels that they're really good at using and
that you know, they they propagandas to the American people.
Speaker 20 (47:36):
So that's all I have to say.
Speaker 19 (47:38):
No, I appreciate it very much, John Lee Blackman, your
your thoughts on what John has to say. They will
take another call from Mark in San Francisco.
Speaker 21 (47:47):
Actually a Union member is Mark?
Speaker 12 (47:50):
Go great ahead, Miss Blackman.
Speaker 28 (47:52):
Yeah, So John's absolutely right. I couldn't agree with them more.
It's it's insulting. It's really insulting, and the fat that
and of course we don't I don't want to get
down to the leaves of it. But sending money, you know,
to another country where we of course could be using
that you know here, it is, it just adds insult
(48:14):
to injury. We need Congress to of course come together,
have a bipartisan continued revolution that provides what the people need,
and of course they need to be able to go
back to work. But of course we all need affordable
healthcare and that's the core of the issue here and
we know that.
Speaker 19 (48:34):
Uh, it is, it's you know, it's it's just really
embarrassing as as as an American, as a citizen of
the world, Uh, to do this. We have so much
money with the richest country in the world. Uh, we
have billionaires, you know, you know buying you know, fifteen
yachts and you know, twenty houses and you know, Maseraties
and Lamborghinis and everything else just as toys. And we
(48:55):
got people who worked for this government for years who
are going to soup lines super line.
Speaker 12 (49:03):
I agree with it.
Speaker 21 (49:05):
It really is.
Speaker 20 (49:06):
All right.
Speaker 19 (49:06):
Let's go to Mark in the great city of San Francisco,
the city by the Bay. You're an next with Lee Blackman. Mark,
go right ahead, my friend.
Speaker 30 (49:15):
Yeah, you know, I just want to say to your
guests that hang in there. I mean, the workers in
this country are taking a beating by the Republican Party
in Trump and I just hope that this can be
exploited all over the United States of what this administration
is doing to hard working people who are basically just
(49:37):
want to make a living in this country. And you
have a Republican Party that seems to just want to
enrich Trump and his friends. And I think we really
need to hammer home the fact the Republican Party does
not represent the American people or the working people in
this country, and that you know, we got to vote.
Speaker 20 (49:56):
Them all out.
Speaker 30 (49:56):
I mean, they shouldn't get a vote for what they're
doing to this country right now. They basically are they're
not coming to work. What is this a welfare plan
for the Republican Party?
Speaker 20 (50:09):
I mean, the.
Speaker 30 (50:11):
Mainstream media is letting these people get away with doing
this to hard working Americans. It's a crime.
Speaker 19 (50:20):
Lee, Our good friend Mark is a good friend of
the program, good friend of yours truly worked in labor
in San Francisco at the San Francisco Chronicle and the
printing area.
Speaker 21 (50:31):
He understands this.
Speaker 19 (50:32):
He understands what it's like, you know, and you know,
if you get laid off and what the next choices are,
They're not very good. And I'm wondering if you're hearing
from people, Lee that are non union but you know,
go to the same coffee shop, but go to the
same restaurants that your members do.
Speaker 21 (50:52):
And are they.
Speaker 19 (50:53):
Speaking out and saying, you know, I don't want to
be part of this. You know, I'm going to vote,
you know, you know my conscience on November fourth this year,
and I'm going to do it again in November of
twenty six. Is that something that's bubbling up, you know?
Because I think if seven million people are coming out.
It's not a bunch of you know, progressive Democrats. This
(51:15):
is this is a massive amount of people who are
just sick and tired again being sick and tired.
Speaker 28 (51:21):
Absolutely, Jes you're spot on with that, and you're correct.
So I don't care where you go at the coffee shop,
if you're at the bus stop now dropping your kids
off at the bus stop, getting them to school. It's
what everyone is talking about. You can't escape it. Either
they are a federal worker, they know someone as a
federal worker, or their neighbor, aunt, uncle, someone is a
(51:43):
federal worker, and they're seeing it, they're seeing the impacts.
Speaker 23 (51:46):
Of it firsthand.
Speaker 28 (51:48):
We all know what happened during the election. The administration
ran on a lot of fake propaganda, a lot of
untruth basic just lies, and of course they got the vote.
But I think the American people are paying attention. I think,
of course the reports that receiving people are disgusted, they're more,
they're they're hurt, they're disgusted, and they're mad. And you
(52:11):
do see as the numbers that you've talked about. I
had the privilege and opportunity and listening in on the
show a little earlier and You're right. The numbers that
are coming out on these No King marches I think
are paramount to what we can expect come the next election. People,
I think their eyes are open now. They're paying attention
to what's really going on, and they are going to
(52:33):
see what's right. There's a lot of promises that the
administrating administration made that they're just from nigging on. And
the biggest one of all is the fact that these
to no fault of their own, these furlough woke workers,
to threaten not to pay them because of their so
called political affiliations.
Speaker 12 (52:49):
It's just consulting, it is.
Speaker 21 (52:52):
It's disgusting, really.
Speaker 19 (52:54):
I mean, you know, you know you learn you know
when when I was in school time ago. Uh but
you know in the seventies, you know, you learned about,
you know, the way government is put together. You know,
this is a bill that ABC after school special kind
of thing, you know, and this is not the way Yeah, okay,
(53:16):
there you go.
Speaker 21 (53:17):
This is not the way it was envisioned.
Speaker 19 (53:20):
And we are taking a wrecking ball to government and
that just like what you're seeing with the East Room
of the White House, this is what he's doing to
this country. Mister Trump and that to me is a
perfect symbolic effort, and I'm glad that the the AP
photographers and others that have taken video and photographs have
(53:41):
shown that it's disgusting. All Right, one more call for Lee.
Let's go to Tom in Los Angeles. You are next
on the Jeff Santio Show with Lee Blackman again, Federal
director of SEIU n AGE, that's National Association of Government Employees.
Speaker 12 (53:55):
Go right ahead, Tom Well.
Speaker 31 (53:59):
First, way ultimately out of the government, and we must
never forget that. And second, we must get money out
of politics so we store our government back to lead
the people. I think it should be said every single
second that the Congress people are getting paid, they should
(54:19):
not be getting paid. And I would think that's somewhere
we could find some five partisan agreement with the average
American people out there saying that the Congress people should
not be getting paid. They're the ones that they're causing
this whole problem. Therefore they should not get paid for
their job. I mean, that's just the bottom line, and
I think everybody could agree upon that. I think the
other thing, you know, I always say when it comes
(54:41):
to Congress that you know, bipartisan means that both parties
are being bought out by the same donors.
Speaker 20 (54:47):
But I will.
Speaker 31 (54:48):
Say that that you know, by partisan, let's find by
partisans for the American people. The bipartisan from an America
and people would be a national healthcare system, bipartisan for
people in the in the country seventy pc of the
country would be gun safety laws. Bipartisans for the people
(55:12):
would be to get money out of politics completely.
Speaker 20 (55:15):
Well, we don't.
Speaker 31 (55:16):
We don't listen to the to the American people. We
just basically listened to the.
Speaker 20 (55:20):
We're worried about and they don't.
Speaker 21 (55:21):
We're worried about, Tom.
Speaker 19 (55:23):
You know, by saying that African American people or Latino
people are the problem and that people who are who
are trans, or who are gay are the problem. That's
what you get from this government. That's what you get
from the Republican Party. That's what you get from Donald Trump.
And this is what we have in America in twenty
twenty five. You're spot on, Tom, you get it, you
(55:45):
understand it, you see it. Unfortunately, you know in your
community and many communities that you are part of, it's
it's really discussing only I want you to bring in
your perspective here. Tom is one of our regular callers
and really understands this issue of lack of communication by
(56:05):
government leaders and of course in some cases by Democrats,
who are the party that's supposed to represent the underdog,
the working class and so forth. And sometimes they do,
but sometimes they can't communicate that message.
Speaker 12 (56:16):
At the same time, I agree.
Speaker 28 (56:18):
With you, we got to do a better job.
Speaker 21 (56:20):
We all have to.
Speaker 28 (56:20):
We all have to do our part. We all do,
and I appreciate everything Tom said. He's spot on, And
I'll just say this, every person, regardless of income, occupation,
or social status, deserves the opportunity to receive necessary medical
care without the fear of financial hardship.
Speaker 23 (56:38):
They all do.
Speaker 28 (56:39):
And with the most disheartening is these federal employees are
not political ponds. Every time there's a shutdown threat, it's
their livelihoods, their families, and the public they serve that
are put at risk. All of us we all want to,
of course get on a flight and of course have
the ease that the individuals that are securing us are,
(57:00):
of course in the right mindset. I believe you said
the flight attendants president Union president spoke to this, the harm.
Speaker 23 (57:07):
That that risk.
Speaker 28 (57:09):
We know what's going on. We know what happens when
people are operating under a high level of stress, and
that's what we're seeing right now. This administration's move to
weaponize a shutdown by cutting jobs permanently is just cruel
and reckless, and it has nothing to do with, of course,
helping and uplifting our country as a whole. It's very
(57:30):
self centered, it's very intentional, and we know exactly what
it's for. I think the question that, of course, a
lot of individuals need to ask is the Republicans, of
course continue as an attempt to spend the of course
the shutdown is we believe that this ties back to privatization,
(57:53):
which one of Trump's buddies will get the contract the
services once. Of course, a lot of things are contracted out,
so of course we all know this, and we've reported
it before. The federal personnel makes up approximately six percent
of the federal budget. But the majority of the American
people don't realize this, and they continue to say that
(58:13):
it's waste, fraud and abuse. We know where the true waste,
fraud and abuse is coming in. How is it that
the White House can move forward with, of course building
this marvelous ballroom. But of course we can't pay the
American people. It's a shame. It's not what, of course,
our constitution stands for. It is not what we should
(58:34):
stand for. And the voters need to of course make their,
of course decision very clear, not just this November the fourth,
but the upcoming primaries and in every election. So thank you,
Jeff so much for this opportunity. We stand shoulder to
shoulder with all of our members across the country. Please
hang in there. Please know that without a doubt we
(58:56):
are going to today, tomorrow and moving forward do everything
that we can to continue to advocate for the hard
working people. We want to just of course take this
opportunity to really, of course give a big shout out
to those federal workers who are getting up every day,
showing up and doing their very best job.
Speaker 21 (59:18):
Uh lid be good about thirty seconds.
Speaker 19 (59:20):
Here is there an address website that people can go
to that need help and also that people can help
those members.
Speaker 28 (59:29):
Absolutely so on our website, Thank you very much. Perfect
question WWWN Federaldivision dot org. We have resources for federal
workers there. We also, of course are publicizing resources for
our members across the country based upon the based upon
their area. So, Jeff, I want to thank you for
this opportunity, thank you for giving a platform for federal workers,
(59:50):
and thank you for all the work that you're doing.
Speaker 19 (59:52):
Thank you, my pleasure. Lee Blackman, Federal Director SEIU and age.
Keep on fighting peacefully. We'll be right back here.
Speaker 21 (59:58):
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many years ago I had the opportunity to both interview
and sit down with Reverend Jesse Jackson. He has not
only been an impact on my life, but he has
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become a major figure over the last say forty years
in this country's history, and it is so important that
his legacy has continued. He, as you know, is suffering
from Parkinson's been doing very well and has produced a
wonderful family, including his son, Jonathan. Jonathan Jackson is the
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congressman from a great city of Chicago, and of course
is representing Illinois in the United States House Representatives, and
he joins us on the phone from Chicago. I believe
maybe he's in Washington, but it's great to have again
Congressman Jonathan Jackson here on the Jeff Santo Show. It's
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been a long time. Thank you, sir for joining us.
Really important day to talk about all of these major
issues going on. Appreciate you coming on the program.
Speaker 20 (01:08:15):
Thank you, Jeff. I appreciate your work.
Speaker 33 (01:08:17):
And my father gives his greetings as well as my sister.
Speaker 20 (01:08:21):
Keep up the great work. Glad to see you doing well,
my friend.
Speaker 21 (01:08:26):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 19 (01:08:27):
It was great to see you last year at the
Democratic Convention in your home city of Chicago, and look
forward to continue to keep fighting, as I say, fighting peacefully,
and we have so much to fight peacefully on. I mean,
just get off the phone with our good friends, you know,
from the National Association of Government Employees, and you know,
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it's just heartening to hear people who you know, had
a paycheck, we'd go to Starbucks, live a middle class life,
and now are at lines. And when we talked to
Lee Blackman, Federal director of the National Association of Government Employees,
that's what they're facing. There are people who have snap
benefits that are cut off, you know. I mean Donald
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Trump has basically taken a recon ball that we see
on television to the East wing of the White House
and destroyed everything that your father and Franklin Delan and
Roosevelt and Barack Obama all fought for. And it's you know,
it's been nine months of pure hell for the American people.
Speaker 21 (01:09:34):
Your thoughts about where we.
Speaker 19 (01:09:36):
Are today, Congressman, in this mess that was once a
great country and is slipping you know by the hour,
your thoughts, sir.
Speaker 33 (01:09:52):
I would tell you it is a great country. We're
dealing with a person that's out of step, out of tune,
which we're the American people are mister Trump has won
by the margin of despair, and let this be a
lesson learned. We're going to regain the mantle and be
able to drive this ship. Don't forget that. I believe
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missus Harris, Ye Servant Harris had seventy seven seventy eight
million votes. He might've had seventy eight seventy nine million votes.
It was only one point five million vote margin. It
was eight hundred vote margin difference. In the seven swing states,
ninety million people did not vote. He won by a
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margin of despair. So it was time for us to
come back out a retool. We have to overwhelm the
poll with voter registration and come out and vote. They're
going to do everything they can to try to steal
this election because they can't win straight up at the
voting box. They want to do the redistricting, the remapping.
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We were just three votes, shy of I think a
different Speaker of the House that would have been Leader
High King Jeffries. But because they took three seats out
of the state of North Carolina. North Carolina was voting
fifty to fifty. They've got fourteen congressional seats and it
was seven to seven. After they did a mid decade redistricting.
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They took out three Democrats that came up with me
in one hundred and eighteenth Congress and Caffy Manning and
Jeff Jackson and mister Wiley. So we have the margins,
the people overwhelming on our side. And mister Trump, you know,
some people were baffled in food they thought they were
voting and their economic interests. And he is going to
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prove to be that he is economically inept. His policies
will fail. They're crashing down as we speak right now
after November first hits because of this Republican shut down.
The Republicans have the keys to power. He has the
power to pote, to tear down or the wing of
the White House. He has a power to get forty
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billion dollars without any congressional approval to Argentina. He has
a power to whimsically put on and off teriffs. He
can't say he doesn't have the power to open up
the government. It's not true. And so we're on the
right side. We're gonna win this battle. And why do
we have to stay in this battle? Because they have
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taken the subsidies away from medicaid. He's gonna prove our point. Unfortunately,
people are gonna see their insurance skyrocket in the next
two days. People have already started saying it. We see
that pain every day. People's bills are going up one
hundred percent and two hundred percent.
Speaker 20 (01:12:43):
It's wrong.
Speaker 33 (01:12:44):
And they have the money in the contingency fund to
put food in the SNAP program the excess they don't
want to. He said, it's gonna have a lot of
pain in blue states. He's trying to create this problem
so exactly resists and keep telling your story.
Speaker 21 (01:13:03):
I mean, it's just outrageous.
Speaker 19 (01:13:04):
We're talking again with Congressman Jonathan Jackson here on the
Jeff Santo Show, representing the great City of Chicago. Of course,
he's the son of the fantastic civil rights leader, iconic leader,
Reverend Jesse Jackson. Let me just say this, you know,
I can't, for the life believe me that people are
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going to just sit back and take this, you know,
abuse that is incredibly horrific. When you when you see
people in soup lines, when you see people that you know,
just trying to to stay above ground in a sense
because they don't have enough to eat and they don't
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have a place to live, you know, as the individual
ran from mayor a few years ago in New York said,
the rent is too damn high. But there's no there's
no solutions from mister Trump and the Republican Party to
the rent or the healthcare or anything. They just want
to cut and basically allow people to fend for themselves.
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Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Of course nobody has
bootstraps anymore, so you can't even do that. So, you know,
I just look at this and you know, it's it's
just deplorable where things stand. And at the same time,
I see seven million people come out on the No
Kings events all around this country, and I see that
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in I sensed, well, that's the America that I know
that I'm proud of to be an American, and I
think that that is a a hope.
Speaker 21 (01:14:38):
And I want to get your thoughts.
Speaker 19 (01:14:40):
If you looked at the people that came out in Chicago,
you know, hundreds of thousands of people in your great city,
one of the greatest cities in the world, and you
know you have Trump going in there with military troops,
and you know he doesn't go into you know, the
neighborhoods to help, you know, to help them with with
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HUD or to help them with with food, or to
figure out ways they go in with stormtroopers.
Speaker 21 (01:15:07):
What's good is that? What is that? What help can
you get.
Speaker 19 (01:15:10):
In the south side or in the West side or
places where people are fighting just to stay ahead against
the poverty level.
Speaker 21 (01:15:19):
It's it's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 19 (01:15:20):
I don't know what he could actually or some of
his representatives because he's not there, you know, would tell you,
or or tail Mayor Johnson, or tell Governor Pritzker.
Speaker 21 (01:15:30):
You know what is it's it's nothing but a photo op.
Speaker 19 (01:15:36):
And it's it's one that is basically like Donald Trump
himself is an empty vessel your thoughts about how to
overcome this again trying to distract Americans from the real
issues of the day.
Speaker 33 (01:15:56):
He is the master at distraction. His economic policies are failing.
He raises the terrorists on our number one trading partner, China.
China is the largest purchaser of soybeans and Illinois that's
one of our that's our largest crop. And so simply
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they found an alternative place they could buy soybeans. Although
further away from Brazil, so they went to Brazil. They
made a reasonable economic choice. Then he goes on and
gives a forty billion dollar lifeline to a country that's
economically insignificant to the United States, Argentina, that has a
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right wing want to be dictator, and he gives him
a political lifeline and endorses a man that has created
an economic disaster in his own country. And then they
dropped their tariffs with China and sell the barges of
soybeans to China. And we have toy beans that are
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backed up in Illinois, Indiana, and Iowa. We've shut down
being able to sell almost twenty to thirty billion dollars
of soy beans to our number one trading partner. It's
going to prove to be economically inept. I tell people
stay and courage. We are going through a tough time.
We are going to survive. His policies are going to fail.
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It's going to be some temporary sub backs, but you're
going to see the best of people in the worst
of times. And the best of people we're gonna have
to see is turning towards each other, turning to be
a neighbor and not turning on each other. So I
don't want people to feel food insecure. We don't need
to do any stealing. None of that is necessary. People
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are going to be hungry. So ask a neighbor if
I can give you something. I'm looking for this to
be a breakthrough moment to see the best in people
in the worst of times. We will win and he
will failinue to fail, and he's gonna continue to try
mass distraction, blowing up boats and with Venezuela, trying to
have a provacation there, putting troops on the streets in
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American cities, tearing down a wing of the White House
to build this ninety thousand square foot mall. I don't
know what he's gonna call it, a ballroom, a mall.
Speaker 20 (01:18:23):
Just the post throw off.
Speaker 33 (01:18:24):
So it's gonna be a teen house attached to like
a warehouse, you know, almost like a mausoleum. And the
next person that comes in there and the President tears
the thing right back down. Okay. And so for all
those corporate donors that should be lining up to help
us pass our food, they're gonna pass. They're gonna come
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and pay homage to the President and help them build
this ballroom. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Speaker 19 (01:18:51):
They should big big media companies, big companies in general
that have basically given money to that effort.
Speaker 21 (01:18:59):
It's outrageous.
Speaker 19 (01:19:00):
Two more quick questions for I know you have to
run Congressman talking with fantastic representative from the great City
of Chicago, Representative Jonathan Jackson of Chicago and Illinois. You
can't see it on the audio feed, but I'm holding
up at a pound of Duncan Donuts coffee made rate
here originally you know, in Quincy, Massachusetts, but of course,
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like a lot of coffee there, come from Brazil. So
they went after you know, mister da Silva, the newly
elected Brazilian leader, because Balsonario is about to go to
jail or maybe is in jail. And of course that's
a buddy of mister Trump, so he puts on attacks.
And the other day I went Congressman Jackson.
Speaker 12 (01:19:44):
To the.
Speaker 19 (01:19:47):
Local grocery store here, well known throughout the state. We'll
refer to it as SNS, and they were seven dollars
and ninety nine cents for this package of Duncan Donuts coffee.
A week later and it hasn't changed. It's fourteen dollars
in ninety nine cents. That is the Trump tariff on steroids.
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And I'm hoping and we had on Representative Clark, your colleague,
a minority Whip Clark from Massachusetts, and I told her,
and I'm telling everybody we have on please use this
prop This is a pound of dunkin Donuts coffee that
tell people that we cannot keep this tariff on and
keep our country, you know, economically viable for the vast
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majority of the ninety nine percent. One percent is all set.
They're set for life and for generations to come. But this,
to me is an example of where we are.
Speaker 20 (01:20:41):
Your thoughts, well, you see that on the price of port.
Speaker 33 (01:20:47):
When we are Illinois is like the fourth largest port
producing state. We've got to send port down to the border.
They go into labor intensive facilities in Mexico. It goes
back and forth to get cheared hams and other things.
That price is going up. You've got climate change, which
is real. That's creating some of the scarcity in the beef,
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and it's harder for battle to graves in some places.
You've lowered the terriff amongst Argentina and told them to
bring their beef into the United States. These things are
not thought through. He's does a chat GPT whimsically says something.
What he's going by. He wants to have this persona
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being bravado, as if he's so confident, so self assured,
and he's just stacking up one disaster after another. And
what he's the gonna up doing is this fourth quarter
now that he's skept the pay of federal workers and
people are having this economic consternation and feeling this level
of austerity. This is the quarter that retailers make most
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of their profit. They're not gonna make it. So we're
saying a record number of farmers for being for closed upon.
We're seeing a record number of businesses that are going
to start foreclosing. And we should be talking about AI.
What does the future of work look like? How do
we define it? Redefine it? You know that we're gonna
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start losing more white collar jobs, but what should we
be focused on. We should be talking about how do
we create additional peace and security. He's creating more tensions
around the world, blowing up fishing boats in the Caribbean.
I mean, like we need some Republicans to have some
some courage and some backbone and stand up and tell
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him when he's wrong. They don't have the guts, you know,
the internal fortitude to tell the man he's wrong. You know,
I started the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Caucus with my colleague,
Commerceman Cleo Fields. Diversity, equity, inclusion has benefited the society.
It's not.
Speaker 21 (01:22:55):
And now he's going to bring people together and now.
Speaker 19 (01:22:59):
Life, you know, divide. You know, it's outrageous, you know,
and one of the things that you know to this point,
I mean, you know, but this is who he is.
This is Republicans today too, you know, divide and conquer,
you know, pit African Americans versus Latinos, pitt African Americans
versus Asians, pit Asians versus Caucasian Americans. You know, rural
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versus urban. It goes on and on and on. And
one of the things we're seeing now and I just
want to get your your thoughts on this because you know, again,
the Rainbow Coalition does not exclude people of color who
happen to speak a different language. And I'm talking about
Latinos part of your district, part of the Great City
of Chicago, part of the Great Rainbow Coalition that your
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father talked about and to me, it is outrageous to
see people being taking some American citizens, some with green cards,
some who are undocumented workers, you know, being taken and
manhandled by ice. Talk to me about this because to me,
this is this again, and this is not the American way.
This is not the country that my dad, you know,
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was in the navy for that, my uncles were in
the army for that. People that I know, good friends
of mine who went to Iraq and so forth, they
did not fight for division and divisiveness. Your thoughts about
what has happened in your city over the last few months,
you know, with with people of color, mainly Latino, although
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there are some that are Caribbean American that are also
in this category. It's it to me, you know, it's
just not right. Your thoughts, I know, you got to run.
Speaker 33 (01:24:40):
Listen.
Speaker 20 (01:24:41):
He is.
Speaker 33 (01:24:44):
Using some very racist tactics when he says that the
white africaneers can come to the United States and they've
not had any sense of repression, and he lies on
the great people of South Africa saying that they are
torturing people. He needs to be held to account. And
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then when he calls African countries as whole countries. That's
just wrong. We've got thirty thousand Ukrainians in the city
of Chicago, but you only see him targeting people of color.
Speaker 20 (01:25:20):
That's wrong. We're a better nation than this. We want
to go forward.
Speaker 33 (01:25:24):
For him to take up to threaten the universities, to
take funds away from them. We're better than that. He
is driving away good brains from around the world that
wanted to study in the United States of America. We're
going to fill long term damage from his retaliatory actions
and now weaponizing the Justice Department, going after the FBI
(01:25:47):
director of Cuomo Komi and going after Miss Tisha.
Speaker 20 (01:25:51):
James and going after Bolton.
Speaker 33 (01:25:55):
This is wrong and looking people in the Senate show
some character and stand up. And then he told the
all the military generals that our enemy is from within.
Speaker 12 (01:26:07):
Okay, outraged, I got.
Speaker 20 (01:26:10):
To go, but I want to say I appreciate you.
Speaker 33 (01:26:13):
I'm gonna be in touch.
Speaker 19 (01:26:14):
Will soon O caame my friend, Reverend I should say,
not Reverend, but Congressman Jonathan Jackson. Thank you so very much,
A real pleasure to look forward to doing this again soon.
Thank you for being on the Jeff Santo Show.
Speaker 12 (01:26:26):
That was Congress.
Speaker 19 (01:26:29):
Thank you man, Congressman Jonathan Jackson here on the Jeff
Santo Show, a real, real true patriot, and somebody understands
what is that stake and understands what does that stake
for people, not only people of color, but everybody across
that rainbow that we talked about, and and people who
are just barely making it by you know, the great
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thing about political figures who inspire, and Jonathan Jackson follows
and again his father's footsteps is to inspire.
Speaker 21 (01:27:01):
People to not give up.
Speaker 19 (01:27:02):
As he was saying in that last segment or so,
that this is a time that is very difficult on Americans.
We talked earlier, of course, with our friends from Nage
and MS Blackman about the difficulties of folks, you know,
who could go to Starbucks and now they're saving just
to you know, have a lunch or breakfast, and it's
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you know, it's so difficult when you see billionaires again,
you know, buying their tenth maserati, when you see tax
cuts being given to the one percent by this administration,
when you see the inability to really have any kind
of empathy and from Republicans from mister Trump, from many
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other folks within the White House that they don't get it,
they don't care, and you know, what a way, what
a way for people who are young Americans who are
in elementary school, who may want to become president one
day and they see their presence, you know, basically saying look,
(01:28:16):
you know, just just go somewhere else. You know, we
don't we don't like the way you look, we don't
like the way you talk.
Speaker 21 (01:28:24):
You know, we don't.
Speaker 19 (01:28:26):
We don't want to really concern ourselves with it because
you know, the one percent, particularly African particularly white men,
are the ones that have to make these decisions going forward.
And you know, if you're a person of color, you know,
no need to apply here. And this is sort of
the world that young people are getting into, and it's
it's simply not the way. Now Democrats have to offer
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a plan. I have said for a long time that
the FDR plan is you know again he one holds
when four times, and all four times it was not close.
Because he had a populist progressive message or a progressive
populist messages, I like to say, and he understood that
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people need to have their retirements. Social Security he created.
He knew that you had to put government in order,
works Progress Administration WPA. You know he had an understanding
did FDR. And of course we have his grandson on
tomorrow on the program talking about many of these issues,
Jim Roosevelt.
Speaker 21 (01:29:31):
And you know you can't.
Speaker 19 (01:29:34):
You can't, just as a friend of mine told me today,
criticize Trump and not have your own plan. That's why
it's so important that Democrats incorporate the FDR plan. Of course,
you updated the twenty first century. All right, we'll be
back with our good friend Joe Williams. Been a long
time since we spoke with him. He'll be with us
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after this timeout.
Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
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Speaker 10 (01:30:20):
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Speaker 19 (01:33:39):
It is the Jeff Santo Show that you are tuned
into coming to you live from South coast here in
the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. We're gonna be chatting with our
good friend Joe Williams coming up in a matter of
a couple of minutes here and where I hope is
that we can we can reach him in talk about
(01:34:00):
some of the major issues that are in front of us.
And it is so important, so important to get a
perspective of a great journalist one time work for the
Boston Globe, Politico and many others.
Speaker 20 (01:34:15):
Uh.
Speaker 19 (01:34:15):
And we're going to look to talk to him in
a in a couple of minutes. Let me just say
this about the last two segments, folks.
Speaker 21 (01:34:28):
And you know when you.
Speaker 19 (01:34:31):
Talk with Lee Blackman, you know understanding the federal government
workers and where they are in this situation. And then
you talk to Jonathan Jackson, the congressman from Chicago, and
point out what the people in Chicago are going through,
(01:34:53):
the people in across the country are going to you know,
there are people who are fighters for this country. Again,
fighting peacefully very important and again and it's not fair
to Congressman Jackson me to keep referring to him as
the son of urban Jesse Jackson. Again, so glad that
he's doing well finding off Arkinson's but he he is
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somebody in my view who really gets the idea of empathy,
empathy for his constituenc as congressman and of course his
father before him, and my view understands understands where the
country needs to go, you know, and sort of the
(01:35:41):
rainbow version of what FDR started in nineteen, you know,
thirty three when he became president, and that to me
is an important roadmap for him. Well, our next guest
is here. He is a fantastic journalist. Probably over fifteen
sixteen years ago we had him on as the DC
(01:36:02):
BURA chief of the Boston Globe. He has gone on
to work for a number of great publications. But it
is so great that I think he has found a
great home in the deputy managing director for Word in Black,
Joe Williams. Reed joins us interestingly enough on a Wednesday,
and we thank very much of having Joe Williams on
(01:36:28):
the on the broadcast. And I think for the video folks,
we have the wrong photograph there, but you didn't take
that down. But the point is is that it is
incredibly important that.
Speaker 20 (01:36:44):
Joe.
Speaker 12 (01:36:47):
You laugh at Joe.
Speaker 19 (01:36:49):
They you know, you became a very wealthy basketball player
in that in that mix up of a photograph. But
I welcome you, my friend, to the uh uh have
a reality.
Speaker 21 (01:37:01):
Exactly, exactly great to have you back, my man.
Speaker 20 (01:37:06):
Good to hear your voice, Jeff, how are you.
Speaker 21 (01:37:09):
I'm doing okay.
Speaker 19 (01:37:10):
You know, we just had some really interesting conversations with
the first the Federal National Association Government Employees Federal director.
Speaker 21 (01:37:22):
I'm a woman by the name of Lee Blackman, and
she was really fantastic and I know our audience. We
had several calls for her.
Speaker 19 (01:37:31):
Understood the pain that many of the workers are going through.
Then we had on Congressman Jackson from Chicago, and you know,
these folks that are doing the right thing, They are
doing the right thing.
Speaker 21 (01:37:45):
And there's the great Joe Williams.
Speaker 19 (01:37:47):
That's a fantastic photograph with the white college shirt and
the blue love that look that you have there in that.
Speaker 21 (01:37:53):
Photograph by Joe.
Speaker 19 (01:37:54):
So you get to go back and go to the
Jeff Santois Show dot com and check out the video part.
But I think that you know, it's good in these
very dark times that we have people fighting for us,
and that's I think important. It's important to cover people
like this, to give them a platform like we do
here on this show.
Speaker 21 (01:38:13):
And I know that you do in.
Speaker 19 (01:38:16):
Your organization and publication. Talk to me about that, because
you know, we get so overwhelmed by right wing media
in print and of course television, and of course radio,
which is ninety nine percent of unfortunately radio today.
Speaker 20 (01:38:34):
Yeah, the fight is very important. I mean, we're talking
about encroachment of if not outright fascism, then certainly fascist
tendencies in our national government. And that's what they depend
on is people being apathetic, people kind of throwing off
their hands, and people unwilling to fight because they believe
that the fight is fruitless. But it's anything but. As
(01:38:56):
a matter of fact, the fight now is almost as
important as it was with the under this country, mainly
because we are seeing our constitution or being eroded for
very eyes. We're seeing grafted out in the open, not
even trying to hide it anymore, and now they're not
even bothering to cloak it in any kind of way.
And we're seeing people being snatched up by the dozens
(01:39:18):
on US streets by a police force wearing masks and
driving around in unmarked cars, wearing tape over their badges
and their nameplates, so we don't know who they are.
There's a very definition of a secret police force. It's
all unfolding in real time. And those who succumb to fasterism,
those who have suffered under it, weren't able to catch
(01:39:40):
it in time, weren't able to fight it in time.
And thus it became a situation kind of like a
frog in the proverbial pot of boiling water. Yes, once
the word gets too hot, it's too.
Speaker 21 (01:39:51):
Well, you know, it's one of these situations.
Speaker 20 (01:39:54):
Again.
Speaker 19 (01:39:55):
We're talking with Joe Williams, the deputy managing director of
Word in Black.
Speaker 21 (01:40:01):
I'm I'm just so appalled that, you know.
Speaker 19 (01:40:08):
The political leaders that we elect, you know, and I'm
talking mainly about ninety nine percent of the Republicans of
not one hundred percent just go along with this destruction
method of the of the incumbent president. And it is
truly out of control to a point where you don't
(01:40:29):
know what is next. Again, we're talking both with Congressman
Jackson about what's happened in Chicago. You know, to people
of colored Latinos, you know, to people of African Americans,
Caribbean Americans, you know, I mean it just walk down
the street and as I mentioned earlier to the audience,
(01:40:51):
I mean, you know you told me of a story
about going to an ATM in Massachusetts and you know,
walking while Black. Then Kenneth Meeks book, it's time to
probably get him back on the show as a good
friend of her Boyd's that you know, he wrote the
book Driving while Black.
Speaker 21 (01:41:11):
I mean, you know, there there are a.
Speaker 19 (01:41:12):
Lot of different elements of that just existing and this
and unfortunately now is the case for men, Latinos and
Arab Americans as we've seen in Massachusetts, you know, walking
down the street and four a woman four or five
you know, plane clothes officers, you know taking her away.
(01:41:33):
I you know, I mean this is This is not
the America that we grew up in. You know, it's
not the it's not speed racer and munsters and little
rascals and everything else that we used to watch as
a kid growing up in the seventies.
Speaker 21 (01:41:48):
This is some pretty dark stuff.
Speaker 19 (01:41:51):
And I know that you know you're covering it, and
uh so glad that you're that you're at a word
in black to do just that, to give you the
opportunity to to to is that platform to me is
it's extremely important to be able to get that information
out and to and to communicate it in a way
(01:42:11):
in which it's real to people talk to me about that.
Speaker 20 (01:42:17):
Well, reality is so important, and a lot of times
people don't realize what's happening because a lot of this
tried to kept under the surface. Another element in the propaganda,
or rather the authoritarian toolkits, is propaganda, and we see
that in the dismissal of orders from the Pentagon in
(01:42:37):
how speech. You know, they're trying to tell us that
what we see really isn't what we see. Are you
going to believe us or your lion eyes? And you
also see it in the libation of Charlie Kirk. Certainly
Charlie Kirk didn't deserve to die. No one does, by
the bullet, But he was not the person that the
White House and that the administration claim he was. And
(01:43:00):
when people try to tell you up is down and
down is up, it's becoming increasingly releasingly difficult to find
reliable sources of information, to find people that you can trust,
to find honest brokers who will tell you the facts
without spin, fear or favor. So paying attention is vitally important.
Find trusted news sources, people that don't just echo the
(01:43:24):
talking points of the right or the left, and people
are giving you the straight dope, the honest facts. It's
crucial in this time because we can't push back without
accurate information and without knowing where we're pushing from. So
I think programs like this one, programs like other media startups.
Certainly we're in a different era where people can do
(01:43:45):
this on their own, but we need to stay informed.
We need to push back against the administration, and anything
they tell you can take it with a grain of
salt and back check those sources and likely to find
out that they aren't telling you the truth. So propaganda
is important. In the Tropic in the authoritarian toolkits, and
we're already seeing it starting to encroach on a lot
(01:44:07):
of our institutions.
Speaker 19 (01:44:10):
Talking with Joe Iams, managing deputy Managing director of Word
in Black and again, you know, we like to talk
about it, Joe, and I just want to be very
clear because I understand what you meant on the Kirk thing.
I mean my opinion. You know, we tried to talk everywhere.
We say keep on fighting peacefully, keep on fighting peacefully,
and that means that we want nonviolence. And the seven
(01:44:31):
million people who who came out and non violently and
a peaceful way a couple of weekends ago with the
No Kings March is an example of that.
Speaker 21 (01:44:43):
And you know, we can do a lot.
Speaker 19 (01:44:46):
We may disagree with mister Kirk and his views, but
you know we do it. And I say we meaning
you know, people that come on my show, people who
are regular guests, people who are that I talk about.
You know, ninety nine point nine percent are people who
want to settle things peacefully, but you can't get them
(01:45:08):
to come to the table. I saw Lindsey Graham today
saying we're going to wait till.
Speaker 21 (01:45:11):
After the election.
Speaker 19 (01:45:12):
Well, what about the people who don't have enough food
until next Tuesday or Wednesday or whenever they decide, all
of a sudden, they get together. The people who are
on snap benefits the people who are out there, you know,
who are in my view, just trying to get through
the next few hours to get something to eat, or
maybe they've they've been thrown out of their apartment because
(01:45:35):
the rent is too damn high and they can't afford
it because they don't have the money anymore. And to me,
that is what is so missing. You know, I'll give
CNN and MSNBC some really great jobs of doing all
of this and telling the story, but it needs to
be more. And I know publications like yours are doing
(01:45:56):
just that too, and doing it with with with an
understanding of what it's like again to be a person
of color, walking, driving while black. I think that's lost
still in America today.
Speaker 34 (01:46:14):
Your thoughts, Jo, Well, I think it is, and I
think it's lost because a lot, like you were saying earlier,
a lot of people are just trying to get to
the next hour, get to the next day, get to
the next tape check.
Speaker 20 (01:46:25):
So it's really easy to lose that kind of empathy
it's really easy to lose that kind of understanding, and
it's really easy to lose sight of what the country
is about, specifically trying to work out and hash out
our differences in a peaceful, non violent way. There are
a lot of people who really don't believe in that way,
in that ethos, including the guy at the top. So
(01:46:48):
it's really hard to get at some of the underlying
issues of the things that you're talking about about racial discrimination,
about racial profiling, about racial profiling and reporting of Latinos
all over this country, about how this administration has literally
built a system with taxpayer money to do the dirty
(01:47:12):
work that a lot of secret police do in other
areas of the country. So if we've got that to
worry about, if we've got to worry about whether or
not some of our brothers are going to get snatched
off the streets by a cop who you don't even
know as a cop and may or may not be
working on behalf of the government, then things like walking
while black tend to fall a little bit lower below
the radar because it's involving everybody. And I think also
(01:47:35):
that's one of the things people don't quite understand is
that this administration is causing problems for everyone. Even though
it may be Latinos were getting snatched off the street
by masked men. Guess what, They're not going to stop
at the Latino people. They're going to come for sure,
the radicals, the so called dissidents, the so called unsavories
(01:47:55):
that President Trump has literally Liken Devermine and is talking
about reporting everyone who he believes doesn't deserve to be
an American. So I think that in understanding where all
this lands and understanding how to push back against this resistance,
we collectively have to understand that this affects everybody. And
(01:48:16):
I think you're right to point out the No King's protests.
They did a very good job about that, people stepping
up and speaking up about the fact that even though
they came for your neighbor, they may be coming for
you next. I think a lot of people needed you
have to get that message. Hopefully the No Kings demonstration
made that made that loud and play.
Speaker 19 (01:48:37):
We're speaking with Joe Williams. He's on deadline, so we
only have a couple more minutes. But I wanted to
get to your story, which you told my audience a
number of years ago when you were in Boston, Cambridge
and go into an ATM, because I think it's important
to understand that, you know, it's it's just not happening
(01:48:58):
to somebody there or in that city or in that state.
It happens to everybody. People who come on this show,
people who are you know, some in the news media,
some you know in politics.
Speaker 21 (01:49:13):
I mean, we understand what you know.
Speaker 19 (01:49:15):
A Thurgrade Marshall went through as a Supreme Court justice,
you know, in the streets of Washington, d C. Talk
to us a little bit about that, and then I
know you have to run. I get one final question
for you and thank you for staying with us on
your deadline.
Speaker 20 (01:49:29):
Yeah, of course, of course, so very quickly. This would
have been circa two thousand and three, Cambridge of Massachusetts.
I was the city editored for the Boston Globe. Late
one night, having to get some cash to go to
an early morning trip to the airport. I've been working late,
so it was after hours. Go home, change the street clothes,
sed you an ATM on massat and see if I
(01:49:53):
can't remember the crossy. It's been so long with it's
right in your poor square. So okay, getting the ATM festival,
wearing a hat, really low jeans, T shirt, come out
of the vestibule with two hundred dollars in cash. As
soon as I walked out of the vestibule a vestibule,
I saw a police car and instantly my black man
antenna went up. Because it's late at night, there's no
(01:50:14):
one else on the street except me. In this cop car,
he sees me, I see him. I go immediately, oh,
this is not going to be good. And I started
doing a mental inventory of what about me looked suspicious.
I realized that I'm wearing jeans, I realized wearing a
baseball cap. I realized wearing T shirts. I look like
any other black man on the street. And as soon
(01:50:35):
as the light turned green, the cops started follow me.
I realized that he was following me when I turned
to my street, which was off of the main street,
and he followed me, and he turned and this is
this is this is going to happen again, and he
pulled up next to me, put the spotlight on my
face and asked me where I was going, where I'd been?
(01:50:59):
Where is uh where I was earlier that night? And
immediately I remember that I had a big water cash
in my pocket and no HM receipts. So I was
immediately trying to stay calm and freak not freak out.
Eventually he rated back and forth, the spotlight went out
and the officer drove away. No apology, no nothing, And
I at that time, at that moment, I felt both
(01:51:19):
enraised and humiliated and frustrated all at once.
Speaker 12 (01:51:23):
It was.
Speaker 20 (01:51:23):
It still sticks to me to this day.
Speaker 21 (01:51:27):
It's disgusting.
Speaker 19 (01:51:28):
You know, they are great police officers in Boston of course,
and great and Cambridge too, but this is the impalling
situation today, uh till today. You know, we see this,
you know, in so many different cities, and and when
it gets you know, completely out of hand, when you
have federal government troops, when you have ice officials and
(01:51:51):
so forth, you know, and again, the the racial profiling
that is done is despicable. I know this is not
easy for you to bring up again, Joe, so thank
you for doing that though, but I think it brings
up some chilling moments for me. And you know, I
thank you for for always pushing back again peacefully and
(01:52:16):
uh and telling us the truth and having the empathy
to to write uh and uh and and tell stories
of other people who are going through, if not similar stories,
other stories that are you know, completely different, but once
again people fighting, UH to just stay ahead, which is
difficult these days.
Speaker 21 (01:52:35):
Joe Williams, so great to see you. Great, great to
hear you.
Speaker 19 (01:52:38):
I should say, see you're a great photograph that we
have up and look forward to doing this again, hopefully
on a regular basis if we can meet your very
busy schedule.
Speaker 21 (01:52:48):
A real pleasure.
Speaker 19 (01:52:49):
Joe Williams, a great journalist in America, UH and a
great friend of the program. We thank you for spending
time with us today.
Speaker 20 (01:52:58):
My pleasure. Jeff, take care you too.
Speaker 21 (01:53:01):
That's Joe Williams. This Jeff Santos.
Speaker 19 (01:53:03):
Don't open up the phone lines here at eight three
three five four five five three three three we'll be
talking to Larry Korb and Brian Garby. Come up for
an hour on the Foreign Policy Chat.
Speaker 21 (01:53:16):
You know, folks, you know we can again. I hearken what.
Speaker 19 (01:53:23):
Congressman Jesse Jackson Jonathan Jackson, I know I was going
to say that said in that you know, things are
are very bad right now, very tough right now, whether
you're African American or Latino or a person of color,
you know, a young man, a young woman, if you're trans,
if you're LGBTQ. You know, there there's a lot of
(01:53:45):
pressure on people, but you have to you have to
keep again, Reverend Jesse Jackson, keep hope alive. But also,
you know, realistically, keep you know, your your individual goals
in life, your goals to sort of take care of
your family, take care of your community. You know, the
(01:54:08):
great thing about growing up in New England, and for
that matter, in the Midwest or many colder parks of
America is that people help each other, regardless if you're
a Democrat or Republican or Independent or Green whatever. When
the snowstorm, you know, when you have to push a
neighbor or a friend out of the driveway, or you
(01:54:29):
know you're trying to you know, navigate a way to
get to the store because there's no cars on the road. Right,
Those are all wonderful things. And I'm hoping and as
I know that Jonathan Jackson, the congressman, was trying to
do that same thing. You know, that's that's the best
of America. Hopefully we can we can get to that
and get to the next step. All right, let's go
(01:54:50):
back to the phones. John in Minnesota. You are next
here on the Jeff Santo Show eight three three five
four five five three three three, John, go right ahead.
Speaker 29 (01:55:03):
Yeah, I wanted to say that, yes, we are next,
and this is just the beginning of the authoritarian state.
And if we don't vote out uh and vote in
a different congress, Uh, we could literally end up as
(01:55:24):
a uh you know at Chile or Argentina, another country
Brazil who all had military dictatorships. But it'll be uh
with just a slight democratic flavor to it.
Speaker 17 (01:55:42):
Uh.
Speaker 29 (01:55:42):
You know you're not going to have this hunter, but
it'll it'll get like that. And uh, you know people
should be like, for instance, talking on a program like
that like this Pegasus will peg you. You'll get you know,
on a list.
Speaker 33 (01:56:01):
Uh, you'll be uh, you know, attacked.
Speaker 29 (01:56:05):
They all look for any way, you know, to essentially
beat up on you, which is exactly I knew. I've
known people, well, I knew somebody who lived in Argentina
during the Pinochet years.
Speaker 12 (01:56:18):
Uh.
Speaker 20 (01:56:19):
It was such an atmosphere, a.
Speaker 29 (01:56:21):
Fear that on a lonely beach on in Chile was
a with a native Chilean. This person was there too,
you know, basically increase fisheries. Uh, their productivity. Uh. She
was in the Peace Corps and then stayed on with
the Chilean government. Really was not political at all. But
(01:56:44):
she asked this person on a lonely beach, Uh, so
what do you think of this Pinochet guy? And the
person spun around and looked everywhere and like turned white
and just said in Spanish to her, you know, don't
ever ask that question. You don't know what effect that
(01:57:07):
can have on you and the person you're talking to. Literally,
people would read something in Santiago in the city, you know,
something derogatory about Pinochet and to guard two people. You know,
that plane closed polief or thugs. We just pick that
person up and god knows what happened to them. About
(01:57:31):
thirty five thousand people died. A lot of them were
thrown out of planes into the Pacific Ocean. Not a
very pleasant way to go really, So, Donald Trump, when
the Republican Party really wish us ill, they call us terrorists.
We are terrorists to them. They are at war with us.
(01:57:53):
So yes, we can't be violent. We can't let give
them any uh you know, clue or or not clue,
but any opportunity to declare martial law. But let's not
men's words about it. They hate us and.
Speaker 12 (01:58:12):
We need to well, I you know, we.
Speaker 29 (01:58:14):
Need to get rid of them peacefully and politically.
Speaker 12 (01:58:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 21 (01:58:17):
Yeah, yes, but I agree that it.
Speaker 29 (01:58:22):
Resistance. We need to resist.
Speaker 19 (01:58:24):
Yeah, you need to resist, and you have to make
sure that the votes count. You know, we'll be talking
with Greg Pallas on Friday, I believe at four point thirty,
and he understands the voter suppression issues. You know, our
good friend Jerry Austin brought this up yesterday about you know,
the ballot and we need to protect the ballot. And again,
when I say protect the ballot, we're not talking about
(01:58:48):
arm resistance. We're talking about peacefully making sure that your
elected officials, whether they are Democrats or Republicans, do their job.
And that's what is necessary by the citizenry.
Speaker 21 (01:59:02):
Do your job.
Speaker 19 (01:59:03):
You know, maybe there's another rally that our friends are
indivisible and move on and our friends of Social Security works,
you know, can do to make sure that people can
actually vote and that you know, whether everybody holds up
a card or whatever. I don't know what the what
the aesthetics look like, but the fact is is that
that is going to be an important piece as we
move in to November of twenty six, and of course
(01:59:24):
we'll find out a lot on November four, John, thank you,
my friend. I know you want to have some time
with our next guest, to Larry Korb and Brian Garvey.
But right now we have a commercial break. We're going
to take that. Thank you, John, and we'll come back
with Korb and Garvey. It's the Jeff Santo Show.
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We're back live hour number three and another wardrobe change.
You know, it's funny this time of the year, you know,
when it's fifty degrees or whatever, you get to this idea,
whether you can put it in a T shirt or
you can do it, you know, get big lights here
of course, and so I don't know, so I'm gonna
try this. This is the third one. We started out
with the Bruins jacket. We went to a T shirt
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from hard Rock Cafe Berlin. Now we're doing you know,
LLBean green fleece. So I don't know what's next. Hopefully
we can stay with this till to the top of
the hour. We are the Jeff Santo Show. We're here
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Speaker 12 (02:07:52):
Of course.
Speaker 19 (02:07:53):
You can listen to us in the Great State of
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That's twelve to three Pacific time. Of course, we're looking
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the Golden State of California, which of course a very
important election for this democracy coming up on November fourth.
But the democracy is only one of the issues that
we're going to ask. Our next two guests. They are
our dynamic duo, Brian Garvey, deputy director of Massachusetts Peace Action,
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and Larry Korb, Vietnam VET.
Speaker 21 (02:08:39):
We thank him for his service.
Speaker 19 (02:08:41):
Of course, he's also the former Deputy Defense Secretary of
the Reagan administration and now at the Center for American
Progress as the great senior fellow over there.
Speaker 21 (02:08:55):
So let me talk to you first. Brian. You know,
we just talked.
Speaker 19 (02:08:59):
To Joe william about great journalist now you know, at
a great publication for African Americans, and one of the
things that we talk about all the time is is peace.
You know, do things peacefully. Of course that's the part
of the organization. You know, you're talking about mass Piece Action,
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and you know, I know these are difficult times with
so many people we talked at the first Hour, and
again you can go to the Jeff Santos Show and
get all these interviews on the website.
Speaker 21 (02:09:32):
Our good friend Rocky is doing that as we speak.
Speaker 19 (02:09:36):
But I think that it's hard for a lot of
people who are having the difficult times to think peacefully
because you know, they want to get out of the
situation they're in. The unemployment, the lack of health insurance
that's been cut back, the lack of you know, food
that they have to eat, so they get angry. But
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it's still important to act peacefully, and again that's part
of your mission, and of course that's diplomacy on an
international front as well. Talk to me about that word
because I think it can be misconstrued, but it also
I think serves as a vital north star for so
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many people right now.
Speaker 12 (02:10:21):
Right Yeah, I.
Speaker 17 (02:10:24):
Think it's crucially important, both at home and abroad. And
our organization, Massachusetts Peace Action, and our affiliates across the country,
we oppose political violence absolutely, you know, both abroad and
at home. I mean, the last thing we want to
do is send our service members into hostilities, into a
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situation where they may be wounded or even killed. And
that's why we oppose these willy nilly, unjustified and frankly
illegal wars that our presidents, including this one, keep getting
us involved in. And that violence doesn't stay abroad.
Speaker 23 (02:11:11):
Right.
Speaker 17 (02:11:11):
We see militarized police in our neighborhoods in the form
of ice, in the form of National Guard, federalization, sometimes
from other states over the objections of the governor of
Illinois or California and more states. And when people are
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facing hard times, yes they get angry, but I think
it's important to remember. I believe it was JFK who
said those that make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
We have to find a way to solve our problems
in a peaceful manner, or people get to a breaking point.
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We've seen that around the world. We've seen outbreaks of it,
certainly here in the United States, and that kind of
violence is what we are trying to prevent. We are
supposed to have a system that honors First Amendment rights,
gives people the ability and the right to assemble peacefully
and criticize the government. That is something that we are
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supposed to enjoy here in the United States of America,
and it's very important to preserve that and to act
on it if we're going to prevent the kind of
violent uprisings that we have seen sometimes in this country
and certainly around the world.
Speaker 19 (02:12:37):
No doubt you're so spot on. We're talking with Brian Garvey,
deputy director of mats Chew's Peace Action. Larry Korb, former
Deputy Defense Secretary of the Reagan administration and now senior
fellow at the Center of American Progress. I'll take what
Ryan said and maybe a tribute to I've never been
in the military, Dad and the Navy.
Speaker 21 (02:12:56):
Uncles in the Army, in the rings.
Speaker 19 (02:13:01):
But I would imagine if if you're going to get
people angry, who are you know in the military, that's
going to lead to chaos? Larry, I mean when you
were in Vietnam. If you get people who are angry
to fight the Viet Cong as an example, you know,
that makes the group of people, you know, the folks
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that are on the front lines, the folks that are
in your unit, That makes them, you know, more likely
to get hurt. You know, you have to It's like
a sporting event too. You don't want to have somebody
play completely angry maybe at moments. You know that anger
can work, but if somebody is usually angry over a
long period of time, that's a person out of control,
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and a person out of control does not do well
for men and women around them. Talk to me about that,
because obviously in the military it's it's it's you know,
you're always trying to, you know, save the life right now,
and I think you know again, peace is important here
and peace to sort of all right. I know I've
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been hurt. I know somebody hurt me. I know who's
responsible for it. But reaching you know, for a weapon,
reaching for any sort of object that is more violent
than necessary. Of course, war is war, but you know
you have to be in control. Talk to me about that, Larry,
because I think it's important for people to be in
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control right now in these very difficult times. We're federal
government workers, and we just spoke to the National Association
of Government Employees when people are actually in soup lines
in Washington, DC that had you know, middle class lifestyles,
snap benefits being cut back, so on and so forth.
Speaker 23 (02:14:45):
Your thoughts, Larry, Well, I think if you take a
look at what's happening with the military under Trump, too,
if you will here, and there are a lot of
things you need to really be concerned about. They have
gotten rid of a lot of the good leaders for
no good reason. Chairman of the Joint Chases Staff, the
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commandants of the Coast car before their terms are up.
And the military is trying to be non political. But
if you have a group that is just firing for
no good reason. I mean the Chairman of the Joint
chiefs of Staff, who happened here, the first African American
to take that job basically, and it's normally you get
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two two year term for four years. They just got
rid of them, no reason, nothing, And I could go through,
go ahead.
Speaker 21 (02:15:38):
No, I just said out you go. That's what happens.
Speaker 19 (02:15:40):
You know, you get the honor of being the first
African American and then Trump comes in and says, too bad,
I don't like you, your wrong color skin whatever, You're
too progressive.
Speaker 21 (02:15:49):
Bye bye. And this is this is this is how.
Speaker 19 (02:15:52):
Government in twenty five you know, this is how it
This is how it is.
Speaker 21 (02:15:58):
And we know we talked.
Speaker 19 (02:16:02):
No, I'm just gonna have one point and I'll let
you have the floor here. You told us about the
story of picking up trash and Washington, DC. You know,
this is the world that this is the new life
and the new world of soldiers with a with you know,
a uniform on go pick up the garbage all yours
my friend.
Speaker 23 (02:16:20):
Well, yeah, I mean you're you're taking people in the
National Guard. And remember we have a total force, which
is active duty and reserves, and the main component of
the reserves is the National Guard. And so here you
have these people trained to do all of these kind
you know, really critical functions and war. In fact, a
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lot of them have. We've deployed an awful lot of
garden reserve around the world because we've got so many
things going on. And then you got you're right, and
you demean them, put them there picking up garbage.
Speaker 8 (02:16:57):
And they know that.
Speaker 23 (02:16:59):
The people don't want them there. You know, they've gone
to court to try and you know, try and stop it.
They haven't been successful. So you're you're doing that. And
you know, the key thing if you want to have
a good military on a volunteer basis, what you want
to do is get people who want to go in
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to serve their country and defend all of the rights
and privileges that we have. And they don't want to
get involved in partisan politics or picking this candidate or
that that candidate and trying to be politicized. But if
you start firing all the top people who you feel
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are not pro you, if you will enough there that
you know that does you know that doesn't help. And
if they see their citizens, you know they're they're with
what's going on now? If their mom and dad lose
their health insurance here, you know, we have a critical
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thing coming up the first of November. Here, you've got
health insurance, You've you've got what food stamps or you know, snap.
And then the other thing that's happening. If you're in
the Service and you're attacking boats in the Gulf of Frum,
calls it. It doesn't call the Golf of Mexico. And
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you say, well, what is this and what does that
have to do with with that? And and yeah, that
is will undermine it, and you get you're going to
have a tough time retaining and recruiting new people in
the service.
Speaker 19 (02:18:39):
We are the Jeff Santo Show, and we'll be here
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Brian Garvey, deputy director of Master chooses peace action, of course.
Larry Corp, former Deputy Defense Secretary for and senior fellow
from a deep deputy Defense secretary in the Reagan administration.
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The senior fellow now at the Center for American Progress.
Brian So, if you think about you know, I had
our good friend, Congressman Jonathan Jackson on Reverend Jesse Jackson's son,
great congressman from the great City of Chicago, and we
were talking about, you know what it's like. Could be
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a person of color, mainly Latino or African American, Caribbean American,
walking down the street and you get abducted by ice
or maybe it's you know, somebody dressed up in the
military uniform. However it goes and this is America twenty
twenty five, and again you try to remain peaceful, you
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know you.
Speaker 21 (02:19:46):
And of course these people get into jails.
Speaker 19 (02:19:48):
I'm in New Orleans or Louisiana, I should say, others
end up in nol Salvador. You know, these are very
difficult times for so many people, and and you know
the image around the world is every day is going downhill.
I mean, you know, they play a cut from Larry
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Korbs old boss Ronald Reagan in an ad in Canada,
and what does Donald Trump do. He puts a tariff
on more Canadian goods, the people who live along the
north part of the country. It's insane. You know, this
is stuff that six grade bullies do well, maybe even
third grade bullys. I don't even know if he gets
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to middle school. But the point is is that it's
it makes your job, you know, as as Peace Action
and Larry's former job, you know, as part of the
diplomatic corps, that much hard people in Canada.
Speaker 21 (02:20:47):
What the heck's going on?
Speaker 19 (02:20:48):
We've had our good friend and I know you're a
big hockey fan, Brian Doug McLean on. He lives, He's
a Canadian, proud of it, and he has two kids,
one in Chicago, winter Cincinnati, Liz half year as a snowbird,
and a lot of Canadians do, and a lot of
them are now staying home. He is so frustrated because
he's caught in the middle having to defend you know,
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our president because he lived four months and you know,
in the same Marlago area in South Florida, and then
you know, he has to go home to see what
Canadians rightfully, so are doing that's a diplomatic thing with
Canada because of this stupid tariffs that he's put on
and increasing them the other day, because of the the
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ad that was run oh my god, something for thirty
seconds that caught the president's eye. You know, I can
only imagine, you know, you and others who are fighting
for peace in this country and around the world, you're
going to put up with this, you know, bozo like scenario.
Speaker 17 (02:21:51):
We have so many fires burning right now in so
many places on every level, that it does become difficult
for activists, for journalists like like you, For for folks
who are working you know, in the in the think
tank world, for people in our military, for people on
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the streets who are wondering if they're going to be
stopped for the color of their skin or for their accent.
I mean, we've had the Supreme Court say that basically,
the Fourteenth Amendment doesn't apply anymore. The equal protection of
the laws, no matter of what you look like or
what your religion is. I mean, that is.
Speaker 23 (02:22:33):
Supposed to be the law, and the Supreme Court.
Speaker 17 (02:22:36):
Has just decided that Nope, we're gonna We're gonna ignore
that and say that these ice agents can stop people
because of the language that they're speaking, or the job
that they're doing, or the color of their skin. It's
absolutely outrageous, and it's happening both at the street level
and in the highest levels of our military. You mentioned
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the chance i'man of the Joint chiefs of Staff. It
does seem that the Trump administration is going after women
in command and people of color who are in command.
We just had a flag officer, the now former commander
of southcom Admiral Howsley. Larry will correct me if I'm wrong,
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but it seems that he was being and he resigned
shortly after visiting South America, the area where we've built
up so many forces around Venezuela and where we're now
currently steaming. Hopefully they're doing well to avoid the hurricane.
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One of the most advanced warships in the world, the
Gerald Ford, the aircraft carrier, and that comes along with
the whole strike group of ships. It's not cheap to
move something like that, and it's not safe either, right
when you when you undertake something that's going to cost
that much money, uh and frankly risk lives. You should
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be doing it for a good reason. But when when
Admiral Hosley came back from his visit, he resigned. So
I mean it's it's some combination of being forced out
by the Trump administration, perhaps for racial reasons, but also
perhaps concern about the mission that they're going to send
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our forces in Southcombe UH to do. And it's my
understanding that the JAG officers, Judge Advocate general, the legal
eagles in the military have not wanted to sign off
on these attacks of fishing boats that the Trump administration
has deemed Narco terrorists. So it's okay to just blow
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them out of the water without.
Speaker 21 (02:24:58):
Sorry, a few people died.
Speaker 12 (02:24:59):
That's basically so much insanity.
Speaker 21 (02:25:04):
So much again.
Speaker 19 (02:25:06):
Talking with Brian Garby, deputy director Mass Piece Action, Larry Korb,
former Deputy Defense Secretary under the Ronald Reagan administration, a
senior fellow of CAP. You know, I have guys, and
I've been using this prop earlier when we talked to
Congressman Jonathan Jackson about this. You can't see it, Larry
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or Brian, but I think you both drink it. This
is Duncan Donuts. This is a pound of coffee. At
around September fifteenth at the SNS grocery store chain that
Brian knows well and you probably do too, Larry. I'm
not going to give him a free plug, after all,
not a sponsor. And you know it was a seven
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ninety nine for this bag, one pound bag.
Speaker 21 (02:25:55):
It's fourteen ninety nine.
Speaker 19 (02:25:56):
Now, when mister Trump, you know, gets annoyed about the
silver winning against his fellow dictator Balsonaro and Brazil, what
ends up happening is the American people have to pay,
and pay through the nose for a pound of coffee
fourteen dollars. Larry, you know, this is just stupid and
it's insane and there's nothing really that it should be
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done against the people of Brazil. I mean, it has
nothing to do with their coffee, you know. I mean
almost every coffee company in America uses the coffee from Brazil.
Speaker 21 (02:26:31):
I mean, you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 19 (02:26:33):
But he doesn't understand that any Oh, he doesn't care,
which I think is a combination of both.
Speaker 21 (02:26:37):
But you know, I mean it's insane. And I've told
all the Democrats that.
Speaker 19 (02:26:43):
Are come on, including mister Jackson today and Minority Leader
Clark who was on a week or two ago, use
this prop I think it tells the story of where
we are. And it's silly. I've heard some folks talk
about this, Larry. You know, it's silly what we're doing.
But it's hurting people who now probably can't go without
coffee because of the cost of it.
Speaker 21 (02:27:06):
It's it's ridiculous. Go ahead, Larry.
Speaker 23 (02:27:10):
Well, it's not only hurts the people who have to
pay more for coffee, it hurts our national security because
we don't have any carriers in the Middle East right now,
you go, So we're trying to solve Yeah, because where
are they? As Brian mentioned, the newest carrier we have,
the USS Gerald Ford's going to do with Latin America.
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I mean, there's no threat there why And as I
mentioned before, this is also illegal what you're doing. You
just can't attack ship for no reason or other and
without probable cause or anything like that. And so this
is hurting our security because we've got forces there that
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we don't need it. As it was engine here, you
had the Navy admiral who was the commander leaves after
one year, which you know, by and large, if you're
going to do this and you don't do it for
three or four years, you're not going to be as
good as you should be. It takes a while to
know what's going on. But why they get rid of
him because he was probably saying, this is illegal what
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you're giving these orders? I don't want to give them.
And you know, seeing his credit, he didn't go public
with that, but he just left. And you don't have
to be, you know, a genius to figure out why
he would do that, you know, one year, because that's
the highest honor you can get to one run of
the unified unified commands. So this now, this is you know,
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with all the other things going on, you know in
the country with the government clothes and the people's healthcare
and you know, food stamps and all of that kind
of stuff, we're not paying attention here. But let me
tell you this is very areas problem. And if people
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want to know, why is your coffee going up? Why
is Trump you know, going after Brazil and what did
they ever do? I exactly no threat to us.
Speaker 19 (02:29:15):
It's it's pathetic and it's also a sad state of affairs.
We are chatting with Larry Corby and Brian Garvey here
on the Jeff Santo Show. We'll take your calls in
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It is the second half of the third hour of
the Jeff Santio Show. You are listening to us here
on the fantastic network that we have put together, and
I think all of our team members here as we
look to expand. On Monday, we start in New York
City and northern New Jersey. Of course, we're going to
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get into Manhattan and the Bronx, which of course is
the home borrow of our great friend Larry Korb, who's
with us today and Deputy Defense Secretary formerly of the
Reagan administration and also now the senior Fellow at the
Center for American Progress, And Brian Garvey, like me, a
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Massachusetts person, and we're proud of our Massachusetts Red Sox Bruins.
I had the Bruins jersey on earlier, Brian, but it
got too hot, so I put on a T shirt
and then I took the T shirt off and put
on the fleece. Here from our friends in Maine, ll Bean.
So trying to do all we can to prom I won't.
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I know, no faith is no no. You have to
stick to some faith, after all, if we're going through
in the real world to get a stick with the
Bruins and everybody else. And by the way, you know
one other thing about Canada. There are a lot of
Americans right now rooting for the Toronto Blue Jays just
to stay get to our friend in the White House,
and that that's because of the stupidity of this what's
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going on here. And I think Yankee fans and Red
Sox fans can agree with that. Even though their arrival
of the Blue jays my word what we're in anyways, Larry,
we're great.
Speaker 21 (02:35:16):
We're looking forward to.
Speaker 19 (02:35:16):
Being in New York and again the Bronx is the
home of the Yankees, which we will never talk about
much more than just this announcement, but it's great, great
to be on in New York City and we'll look
forward on Wednesday when you guys make your debut and
again am fifteen hundred WGHT in the great city of
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New York. And of course it gets into northern New
Jersey as well, and we'll look forward to all that
and in the coming days and week as we look
to expand the program across the country.
Speaker 21 (02:35:50):
Brian, so.
Speaker 19 (02:35:52):
We have to start off with Gaza here, you know,
this idea that you know, oh look, we got discussions going,
everything's going on. And then I read yesterday the net Yahoo,
no friend of the peace movement, thank you, you know,
is saying he's ordering, you know, more strikes on Gaza.
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I don't know what he's striking at these days, because
there's not much left of buildings.
Speaker 21 (02:36:18):
And human life tragically. But of course you know he.
Speaker 19 (02:36:24):
Said Hamas did it, and say, well, therefore, if Thomas
did it, then I have the right to do everything,
and apparently the Americans are also involved in some capacity here.
I mean, it gets lost with all the other horrific
situations there are in this country right now thanks to
our incumbent president. What do you make of this, Brian?
Because I mean, frankly, you know, when I turn on
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the BBC or read an article on the Globe or
the Times, you know, they give you a perspective.
Speaker 21 (02:36:54):
But everything is so fluid.
Speaker 19 (02:36:55):
You don't know whether or not we're staying in this
coalition with net Yahoo, well, whether or not you know
the peace agreement is going to is going to last
more than two more hours.
Speaker 21 (02:37:06):
Where are we from your.
Speaker 17 (02:37:08):
Perspective, I think where we are is it's being exposed
that this this cease fire deal that I think was
designed to really try and grab headlines just as much
as actually pursue peace, is not as real as we
would like it to be.
Speaker 27 (02:37:29):
You know.
Speaker 17 (02:37:29):
I mean, when you have a strike that kills over
one hundred people and then they announce okay, now we're
going to get back into this despire, Well it's not
really a peace deal if mister net and Yahoo and
his government and his military can just dip in and
dip out of it whenever they so choots. I mean,
and I think what it's revealing is that as long
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as the United States is going to continue to stick
our big thumb on the scale and say that we
are just going to be an endless supplier of weaponry
to the Israeli government and military, then they're going to
feel that they can do what they want and and
damn the consequences. Right. You know the way that the
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Trump administration, he himself, his son in law, some of
his ambassadors have talked about this, h it's either in
extremely religious terms or as if they're going to take
this over and turn it into.
Speaker 23 (02:38:29):
Another It's yeah, yeah, it's just not it's not serious diplomacy, Larry.
Speaker 19 (02:38:37):
I mean, you know you you would spend all these times,
you know, in meetings with Secretary of State Shields or
Baker or in your boss Weinberger and of course Reagan himself,
and you know we talked a lot about in the
past Elebanon situation. This to me is that you know,
(02:38:58):
you have one guy, I said, Witkoff, who is the
the all encompassing uh mister diplomat. You know, he puts
together a plan. Uh maybe it is agreed to by
some uh in the Israeli government. But you know Natanya,
who looks at it as I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 21 (02:39:19):
We get to look. Get Tony Blair in here, let's
see what he can do.
Speaker 19 (02:39:22):
Of course, he's a puppy dog for the Iraq war
with George W.
Speaker 12 (02:39:25):
Bush.
Speaker 19 (02:39:26):
And then of course you have Hamas on the other side,
and of course you know, you know they are no
friends of peace either. But you look at all this
and I'm thinking, as I said a couple of weeks
to you a couple of weeks ago, i mean, how
long is this gonna last? It it to me it's
it's it's gonna be it's falling apart. It's just gonna
(02:39:48):
be death by a thousand cuts. You know, you have
this excursion, you have that excursion. One person does this
onnother person does that to retaliate, and there really is
no mediator. I mean, what is Tony Blair going to do? Say,
everybody come together, We're going to have a you know,
a cookout in you know, Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 21 (02:40:06):
I mean, it's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 23 (02:40:11):
Well, I think we'd all do and you're correct, all
the things that you and Brian have been saying, but
this was a step in the right direction to begin.
I agree because up to then, because you know, and
the other thing is net Nyahu did consult with us
before he had this retaliation that almost killed the killed
(02:40:34):
almost one hundred people. He did, We did give him permission.
I think there have been other times when we have
not done that. But you're right, it's.
Speaker 8 (02:40:45):
One thing to have it on paper.
Speaker 23 (02:40:47):
It's another thing to, you know, do something to to
enforce it. And I think the fact that you've got
wit Goff, which is his personal representative and his son
in law, there is an indication he's trying to do
his best to prevent this from getting out of hand.
And it's really going to be up to whether he
(02:41:10):
the president says to that. And now, if you do this,
then I'm cutting off all eight. I mean, I think
you've got to be We don't know if he's ready
to play that play that cart yet. You know, this
was a TV show. I could show you my picture
of me lecturing that. Yeah, here's years ago about.
Speaker 20 (02:41:30):
A particular feature.
Speaker 23 (02:41:38):
So but you know, I do think it's not perfect.
It was a step in the right direction. The real
question is are we going to implement it. Are we
going to hold the Israelis accountable if they act in
appropriate or hamas? Are we going to get you know,
the Middle East countries to lean on them. So it's
(02:41:58):
pretty pretty complicated, pretty complicated. It This was not a
good week. But the Israelis did say after this attack
that that's it. They're going back to the other thing,
so hopefully, you know, and then yeah, who means that?
Speaker 21 (02:42:16):
Brian? I don't know about you, but I and I'm
I'm I'm with Larry.
Speaker 19 (02:42:20):
And it's a step in and in a better direction,
but it's about six inches from the edge of the
cliff that where we stay in right now, and it's
a long way down. And I just don't trust the
participants in this. And frankly, you know, Tony Blair, as
I said, you know, it's a puppy dog for the
(02:42:40):
Iraq war for Bush back twenty years ago. And frankly,
I don't I don't know if there is a grown
up in the room that's going to say, look enough
of this. People are dying, you know, I don't think
there's anybody there and and you know, correct me if
I'm wrong. So yeah, I'll give credit to wid Cough
(02:43:01):
and and and you know, any other participants to get
a deal. But if you can't enforce it, you know
what good is it? As Larry's it's a piece of paper.
Speaker 17 (02:43:12):
Yeah, And I do we applauded the deal on this
very on this very show when when it was first
when it was first made, and saying of course that
we were skeptical and we were going to judge it
as as things proceeded and whether they're actually going to
go through with it or if this is just something
(02:43:33):
to grab the headlines and eventually frankfully grab Gaza and
turn it into some kind of a some kind of
a property that that Trump can say he's in charge of.
I mean, we hope it doesn't go that way. And
any kind of ceasefire was celebrated by the Palestinian people.
(02:43:54):
I think they'll take any kind of break from the
shelling and bombing that they've gotten over the past two
years that they can get. But I do I worry,
And you're absolutely right not to trust anything that mister
Nettne who says, but I worried that our own president
is taking a page out of his book. We have
(02:44:15):
seen mister Nettanne, who use the bombing of other countries
Lebanon and Syria and Yemen and so forth to distract
from his own domestic scandals. And I fear that the
President of the United States is willing to do the
same thing. I mean, right now, many Democrats in Congress say, hey,
(02:44:36):
the government may be shut down, but that doesn't mean
we can't sit in fession and agree to things like
paying our military. And the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,
has said nope, we're not going to do that. And
they're even entertaining paying our troops through donations from billionaires.
I mean, this is ridiculous, and it all may be
(02:45:00):
so they can, so they can avoid personal scandals for politicians,
including the President of the United States. I mean, it's
instead of government for the people, it's government for one man.
And that man's name is Donald Trump.
Speaker 12 (02:45:15):
No doubt, you know.
Speaker 19 (02:45:16):
I just I just look at all of this, and
I think, you know, if you had somebody, you know,
whether it's Baker or you know, whether it's Cyrus Vance, whomever,
back of the last you know, fifty sixty years of
different diplomats, you know, somebody would stand up in the
(02:45:39):
room and go to a leader, whether it's Roosevelt or
Eisenhower or even Reagan, and they would say enough of this.
But I don't see anybody, not Trump, not net Yeah,
who I mean, Trump and net Yahoo are in the
same situation. They want to basically punt and stay in
power because they get in the case of Trump, the
(02:46:01):
Epstein situation. In the case of nen Yaho, they end
the war, he goes to jail, or he gets into
a very legal battle that's going to cost him, you know,
millions of dollars one or the other. So, I mean,
you know, it's so how do you get leadership with that?
I mean, Hamas is a military squad, So I mean,
what are we doing here? I mean, none of these
(02:46:22):
people are you know, quote Kennedy profiles and courage, Larry.
Speaker 23 (02:46:30):
Well, You're right, I mean, and I think you really
raise something that's very critical is that you're always going
to have crises in particularly in the foreign policy realm,
given our status in the world and what you want
to do with you who ought to have the competent
people there to be able to deal with the situations,
(02:46:52):
because if you don't, then you're going to make a
tough situation almost impossible. And that is a problem I
mean with with Trump. I mean, if you just take
a look at what's happening in Ukraine, he's proved, you know,
sometime pro Putin anti Putin. And I can tell you
(02:47:13):
people I've spoken to about his trip to Asia, they're
trying to, you know, make them happy, but do all
these things that they normally wouldn't do because they realize
that he is still powerful and he can make things happy.
But you know, he seems to get up and if
he decides one day, you know, I don't like that, yahoo,
(02:47:34):
or I do like that now, then he'll change the
policy or you know, keeps talking about, oh I get
along great with Putin? Are you kidding me? Can you
imagine if in World War Two, you know, Roosevelt said, well,
Hitler and I have had a great conversation, so we're
not going to do Normandy.
Speaker 19 (02:47:56):
Yeah, you know, it's it's sad, but this is the
reality that we face, and that's that that is the problem,
you know, all right, I want to see if we
gonna put up the phone lines. Good friend John always
wants to have a thought on the number of foreign
policy issues in Minnesota. If he's still there, Kevin, Let's
(02:48:17):
go to him on the.
Speaker 12 (02:48:20):
Phone from Minneapolis.
Speaker 19 (02:48:21):
John your next with Larry Korb and Brian Garby.
Speaker 21 (02:48:31):
I'm still here, okay, right right, John, David very good.
Speaker 29 (02:48:36):
Yeah, Yeah, since the cease fire, you know, two hundred
and eleven, I heard Palestinians have been killed, and you know,
that's really not much of a cease fire for the Palestinians,
but I sort of predicted it. When you know they
they actually had a cease fire. They really have very
(02:48:59):
little to do with any Palestinians as far as how
this ceasefire goes. And then they have all kinds of demands,
like they're demanding that the Palestinians find the bodies of
the you know, hostages, the Israeli hostice hostages, which they
(02:49:22):
don't have the equipment to do. So it's a catch
twenty two. And I think that it was just to
placate the world because the world has spoken, not this country,
but the rest of the world. You know, our NATO
allies have spoken and said that you know, this is
a genocide and it needs to stop. And that's all
(02:49:47):
I really have to say. So that's what I would like.
I'd like it to completely stop and move from a
cease fire to an actual peace agreement with a recognition
of Palestine as a state, which it should be.
Speaker 12 (02:50:00):
This is the case from.
Speaker 29 (02:50:02):
The World War two fought for Yeah, he was anti
fascist and he fought for self determination of people throughout
the world.
Speaker 16 (02:50:11):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 19 (02:50:13):
That's all well said. Uh, well said John O'Brien. You know,
I mean, how realistic is John's hope? Uh, you know,
become in reality?
Speaker 17 (02:50:27):
Well, I think that, you know, we we always try
and stay stay optimistic, right, because things can change. But
if the if the general possibility of our government does
not change towards Israel, then you know what hope can
we have that that things can change? I mean, to
take the moral arguments completely out of it. We're talking
(02:50:51):
about a country in Israel, uh, that has enough money
that it gives its people highly subsidized college occasion, that
guarantees health care for its citizens as a right. I mean,
take all the moral arguments out of it. We don't
have those things exactly. I mean, if we're talking about
(02:51:12):
we can't even pay snap benefits to people going out
without fruit, why are we paying for Israel's military doesn't
make much sense to me.
Speaker 19 (02:51:20):
No, well said, Well, said Brian. I mean, you know, Larry,
I mean it's hard to argue against that. I mean,
I understand you have limited government and you know in
the Reagan DNA.
Speaker 21 (02:51:31):
And so forth, but I mean that is very true.
Speaker 19 (02:51:33):
I mean, I you know, just talk to people who
are being laid off, the federal government workers, some more
are our vets and military folks as well, and there's
some you know that are in food lines. You see
them in different clips on on the news media today
and again we spoke with Lee Blackman of the National
(02:51:54):
Association of Government Employees. We're going to have run again
because this is an issue that's ongoing and ongoing and ongoing,
and you know, it.
Speaker 21 (02:52:03):
Seems like this administration a doesn't care.
Speaker 19 (02:52:07):
You know, they don't seem to have an empathetic bone
in their body. And I think that, you know, we
have a lot of people who need help, and we're
giving money to wealthy tax cuts to wealthy one percenters.
(02:52:27):
And at the same time we're giving money, as Brian
just eloquently said, you know, to a country in the
Middle East that is very well put together in a
democratic way, small d to help their citizen read, which
we have problems here doing just that.
Speaker 23 (02:52:47):
Larry, Well, you could not imagine, as I mentioned before,
a worse leadership in both the United States and Israel.
I mean, if you have moknockham Bagan for example right now,
or you know, you had Franklin Roosevelt or Eisenhower, you know,
(02:53:08):
or my boss Reagan, you would be able to handle
this situation much better. So we've compounded the problem. Now.
I will give Trump credit. They did move toward an agreement.
They did have a seatfire the killing stuff for a while.
Speaker 8 (02:53:25):
The real problem, though, as.
Speaker 23 (02:53:27):
Has already been mentioned, what happens when the parties don't
go along with doing it and everything. We have some
information that Trump and his people have stopped net yeah
who are a couple of times, but they didn't on the
last time. They told them to go ahead because of
what they felt were violations by you know, by Hamas.
(02:53:52):
So that's the problem that you have. When you have
these crisis you need good leadership. And if you don't
have good leadership, you're not going to do a good
good job. Look what happened in this country when we
had George the second Borsh. I you will rather than
the father after nine to eleven. How he bungled that.
Speaker 19 (02:54:13):
Right, I mean, I mean I remember, I remember so
many people, including my my, my, my music hero in
Bono saying, you know, you guys had everything going for you.
The world, you know, was on your side after nine
to eleven. You know, I mean our you know, our nemesis. Now,
(02:54:35):
the Iranians came to our came to what I know, Larry,
you mentioned this many times, came to our defense about
what happened. You know, many of the terrorists from Saudi Arabia, right, So,
I mean, you know, in the whole Zunisia thing, it's
just amazing, you know where we are and and frankly,
you know it's it's hard to for some people to
(02:54:59):
hear this. But you know, again we had Jonathan Jackson
on great congressman from Chicago and his father had a
great line, Reverend Jesse Jackson. And I keep going back
to this because you almost have to in this period
of dismay, is keep hope alive, Keep hope alive, because
(02:55:20):
if you lose hope, then we're really screwed. And Brian,
I look at it this way, because if you know,
I mean, I don't want to end on a negative
because I just think that's you know, what I'm trying
to do here is to inform people and educate them
and understand what they may not get from the mainstream
media and so forth.
Speaker 21 (02:55:40):
So I have to go back to this idea that.
Speaker 19 (02:55:45):
If we don't keep a positive attitude, that we're going
to get through this, like we've gotten through a lot
of other things, world War One and World War two
and Vietnam and the Civil War, and you know, the
you know, slavery in this country, and and you know,
the civil rights battles and so on and so forth.
(02:56:06):
You know, I I have to think that if we
don't do that, it's it's it's it decimates any chance
that we can keep our democracy. And again I go
back to the to the idea of peace and peace action.
Speaker 21 (02:56:22):
Your your final thoughts on this, ran.
Speaker 17 (02:56:26):
Yeah, I think what the president is doing it can
be very negative and it can make people feel that despair.
You know, what he's doing to American diplomacy and you know,
going along with the attacking of diplomats who are actively
negotiating with in Iran, Yeah, and the Hamas negotiators in Qatar.
And I think what's We've been picking on the president
(02:56:49):
a lot, and and rightly so, but a lot of
the blame also falls on Congress, which should be standing
up for their own institution and checking president. They are
our first branch of government. But to end on a
positive note, I will say that veterans in this country
are standing up, including I met with some of them
(02:57:12):
last night. They're planning a nationwide effort and cities across
the country on Veterans Day to find out more. I
encourage your listeners to visit that's they know dot org.
They're very concerned about the deployments of troops in our streets,
about ice, about new wars that could be starting, and
(02:57:34):
they're speaking up and they deserve a lot of deference
and respect and they're using that to stand up for
our values in this country.
Speaker 21 (02:57:43):
That's wonderful. And where again is these events happening, Brian?
Speaker 17 (02:57:51):
These events are happening all across the country. And to
find out where and how to get involved on Veterans Day,
you can go to vetsy know dot org.
Speaker 19 (02:58:03):
Fantastic vets say no dot org will go ahead and
post that. As a as a Vietnam Vet, Larry, I
think you you understand the importance of that happening. You know,
your your thoughts on on on what Brian has said
with that particular event and and how veterans who have
(02:58:26):
picked up a weapon, but also you know understand that
it's not a weapon that saves democracy or builds democracy.
It's the ability to bring people together, which diplomats do
and sometimes after a conflict or a war.
Speaker 21 (02:58:44):
And I hope that you know that can continue again.
And this is internal fight in America, sadly, and whoever
the next president is, you know, is going to be
responsible for doing just that. Your final thoughts, my friend, well.
Speaker 23 (02:59:00):
Well, you got the veterans thing, and don't forget what
we had last week where you had the demonstrations over
the whole country, and I think happened. And that's why
I'm optimistic, is you know, we picked we already knew
what Trump was when we picked them the second time,
so it's partly our fault. But I think the country
is beginning to recover, and this veterans thing is one thing.
(02:59:23):
What we had last weekend is another step in the
right direction. So I'm optimistic that we're going in the
right way. Of course, we've been you know, we made
such bad decisions.
Speaker 19 (02:59:36):
That's right, Well, we need to continue to make better ones.
Larry Core Brian Garvey, thank you for making the decision
to come on the show. We appreciate you both. Next
week video and then New York. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 23 (02:59:49):
Okank you.
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