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Supporting the middle class. Now here's Jeff.
Speaker 15 (07:01):
Thank you Kevin, and good afternoon Americans, and welcome to
the Jeff Santo Show. It is great to be with
you on this day after a massive victory for the
Democratic Party and progressives in general.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
What a night it was, folks, What a night it was.
Speaker 15 (07:19):
We are very excited to be talking a day after
what you know, some people thought could be losses in
Pennsylvania or New Jersey for governor. Well they all came
back and they all kicked ass, and that was excellent,
excellent night. Many of you may not have listened to
us as we were in California, you know, from one
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end of the state to the other, some forty million
people that we were trying to get to listen, and
of course, so a lot of competition, but very excited
about the opportunity to be on both KSFO and San Francisco,
which goes to Santa Barbara and e to Reno, Nevada,
and then of course KBC from the Mexican border up
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to Santa Barbara. So we covered the entire state. Very
excited about that. We'll bring you snippets of those interviews
over the next couple of days. Yours truly will be
taking Friday off, so we'll give you a best of
on Friday and look forward to getting back on Monday
and kind of a new a new grouping regrouping of sorts,
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because we're all focused on these elections of course, and
getting you know, some of these progressive stars on Donnie
my God, what an amazing speech last night, Gavin Newsom
as well, so you know, and again the two governors
are two woman governors, Virginia and New Jersey. Also fascinating,
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particularly New Jersey because a lot of people, you know,
thought that it was going to be you know, nip
and tuck.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
And it was. It was not anything close.
Speaker 15 (08:55):
It was a blowout, an early victory speech for again
Mikey Cheryl in New Jersey, so kudos to her, and
of course our listing audience now includes New York, New Jersey,
so we'll be hopefully in getting in touch with her
over the coming days and weeks, you know, as she
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looks to take office, I believe in early January. So
it's going to be fascinating to see.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
How all of this folds.
Speaker 15 (09:25):
But we will be chatting with a number of people
today who have some opinions on that. We'll start with
Harold Myerson, of course, the fantastic editor at large of
the American Prospects usually here on Monday, but with last
night's elections, want to get some analysis from somebody who's
not only a great journalist, but a progressive journalist. So
we'll talk to Harold at three thirty Eastern time. Then
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at four o'clock another progressive, this time from the Great
Organization of Social Security Works. Their executive director Alex Lawson,
will be whether it's at four oh six, four thirty.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
We hope to have John Nichols.
Speaker 16 (10:03):
But.
Speaker 15 (10:05):
We have the video of Harrol Myerson standing by in
case John can't get out of a meeting in time.
We don't want to do what we did yesterday where
it was kind of nip and tuck as we go,
So we'll make that decision, you know, before four to
thirty Eastern and at five o'clock minus his partner in crime,
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Larry Korb, will join us. Of course, the senior fellow
at the Center of American Progress, former Reagan Deputy Defense Secretary,
we'll be joining us, probably for the hour, not sure.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
We may end up.
Speaker 15 (10:40):
You know, putting an interview in there in the final
fifteen minutes, maybe Gary South, who was fantastic last night,
in case you didn't miss him. In case you missed him,
we have a really understanding of what happened in California
and what the impact is for the rest of the country.
So we'll get the political consultant who was a senior
advisor to the former governor, Gray Davis, coming up in
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a probably at about five forty five Eastern time. So
we get lots to do tomorrow. I know we have
Martin O'Malley, her boyd Mark Taylor Canfield will join us
and We're also going to be talking again to Lee
Blackman of the sciu Nage want to get her back
and how the Democrats maybe change the momentum to get
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these federal government workers paid and get snap benefits taken
care of too. So we'll talk with Lee tomorrow, and
we're looking to have Martin O'Malley and Jim Roosevelt for
the hour that's not yet confirmed, that hopefully we can
make that happen as well again.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Friday will be off, folks.
Speaker 15 (11:45):
Best of We've got a lot of stuff from the
last few days though, that I think will We'll let
your appetite for Friday, and we'll be back live on Monday.
Now Live that is on Monday. Eight three three five
four five five three three three is the phone number
to join us again. Eight three three five four five
five three three three. A couple a couple of things,
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folks that I want to emphasize. The news coverage which
was at some points on MSNBC very good, particularly their
you know their late night folks that were on Simone
Sanders who came from the weekend show.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Chris Hayes was very good.
Speaker 15 (12:31):
Rachel Mattow of course, their their entire panel was very good,
but their morning and afternoons not so much. And they
had on Frank Lunch today. I think it was Katie Turr.
You know, look, we don't need to have the the
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doomsday machine. And mister Lunz, who is well known for,
you know, basically throwing trash in. This is the guy
that came up with the idea of the estate tax
and called it death tax. This is the guy who
said that, you know, Donald Trump wasn't going to do anything,
you know, to put ice people on their troops and
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all that. Now he's on MSNBC today talking about the
fact that, oh, I'm very scared because now we have
both sides. They're not talking to each other and this
is really scary. But where were you when ice situation developed.
We weren't talking about it.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Then. You know, this is what all hypocrites.
Speaker 15 (13:31):
They're overpaid folks that end up ended up trying to
be the mainstream.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Look, we found out last night that democrats.
Speaker 15 (13:40):
Democrats won because they stuck to their ideals. Their ideals
that started with FDR, that continued through the likes of
Bernie Sanders. And you have a rising star in mister Mundani. Yes,
I understand, he was born in Africa, you know, in Uganda,
so he can't be president, but he could be an
influential person as powerful as Bernie Sanders, who hasn't become
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president yet but has created the FDR roadmap all over again.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
And that is how you build movements.
Speaker 15 (14:12):
The person who is the president isn't necessarily the person
who is the movement starter. So that's why I have
been equally impressed with Gavin Newsom because you know, he
didn't start the fire in terms of his politics, but
he was the one that stepped at the plate and said,
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I will take on Trump. I will not allow him
to come into my state and bully us. And you know,
even though there were ice folks in LA, it didn't
last very long. And between Karen Bass, the fine mayor
of Los Angeles, and Gavin Newsom, they stood tall, and
you know, and and he continues to go after Trump,
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you know, in a peaceful, non violent way of course,
and doing it by by you know, jabbing him on
online on all the different platforms, blue sky, x, et cetera.
And that's awesome. You know, that's what it should be.
It's democracy at action. It's not a one way Street.
And again I've been saying the whole time you fight back,
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you push back peacefully, non violent. That is how the
Democrats needs to do it. And you saw if you
had a chance to listen to Mondani last night or
watches his speech, which I did, it was remarkable. And
if you can't, if you can't get excited about a
young man, you know, who speaks several languages. I know
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he's only a few words on a few of them,
but still impressive for with thirty three years old whatever
he is. People are making comparisons to La Guardia, And
I know Harold Myerson has that thought process too, being
a diverse individual. And you know you gonna be you
gotta be a pretty good mayor if you get an
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airport named after you. That's the way I look at it.
But I think you gotta you gotta think the Democrats,
you know. And I heard Messina talking today about the
former Obama aid. You know, I agree with him in
the sense that we shouldn't be thinking ourselves as a
conservative or or a progressive or a centrist party. The
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point is is that the American people need an opposition
party to the current occupant of the White House. That
is not a Republican Light Party. So you can't be
a conservative party, mister Messina. You cannot be a just
a little bit to the left of the Republican Party.
You have to be an FDR Democrat if you're not
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an FDR Democrat and talking about healthcare for all, talking
about education for all, to get our population to the
point where we're competitive with our friends across Europe and
across a that's what you want. And you can't do
that with private donations to have some kid go to college,
or privatizing these charter schools that take again the best
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twenty kids from the urban centers of America and say oh,
well look we're doing it this way. Well what about
the rest of the kids. They're in the sewer. If
you will, let charter schools do it. That's why I
talk about public schools all the time on this show.
That's why the California Teachers Association were on again last night.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
We'll play that later on in the next couple of days.
Speaker 15 (17:34):
You know, I'm so angry with this because you get
this this BS artist. It's lunch and these folks that
come on and say, oh, well, now you've got to
go into the road because the progressors are now very
very passionate about what they want to do, and they
get the Conservators and they're going to be violenced.
Speaker 12 (17:50):
No.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
What Gavin Newsom proved, and he had a blowout win.
Speaker 15 (17:57):
Last night, is the fact that you have a situation
where the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party, understands that they
have something special.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
We're going to play this a little bit later. Our
good friend sent this to me.
Speaker 15 (18:17):
It's Jamie Raskin talking about the Roosevelt Way with Mamdani
and how Mamdani is following the Roosevelt path. You know,
he's not following the Democratic socialist path, which is a
small part of American You know, there are some good
Democratic Socialists.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
We'll have them on, but they basically fall in the
FDR path.
Speaker 15 (18:42):
It's like Working Families Party and so on and so
forth in New York, which we look to have on too.
But the point is is that the Democratic Party is
the only party that can raise enough money, organize enough
people to oppose the current Republican Party. Now, I don't
know what's going to happen in fifty or one hundred years,
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maybe all different. I'll forget we had the Whigs and
the Democrats in the eighteen fifties, and then all of
a sudden came Abe Lincoln and the Republican Party appeared,
so all that could change. But right now there's only
one opposition party, and that opposition party is the Democrats,
and they got to be bold, they got to be strong,
and they can't vacillate because some people in power looking
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at polls that basically don't make a sense, don't make
you any kind of understanding of the current moment.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Where were the polls? And I love posters.
Speaker 15 (19:38):
David Paleologus, good friend of mine. He's on He's one
of the best posters in the country. Not the best,
but like a lot of people. They had as a
five point race or less with Sheryl and and Cinderellian
New Jersey.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
What happened there?
Speaker 15 (19:54):
Because you're not pulling a lot of people who are angry,
who are annoyed, who don't feel like they are being
paid attention to, you know. Just to bring this to
another point about the issue of houselessness or homelessness.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I never forget about this.
Speaker 15 (20:10):
This is about thirty years ago and I was living
in Washington, DC, early nineties. It's a huge homeless issue,
as there still is in a lot of major American cities.
But I remember talking to and I used to, you know,
give them food and so on and so forth. And
I would actually talk to some of these folks. And
the one individual who was near I think it was
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Farragut North in Washington, d C.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
The metro stop, and.
Speaker 15 (20:38):
I walked around him because otherwise I would have tripped
and potentially fallen if I didn't. And he looked at
me and he said, and I said, I'm sorry, and
he says, well, thank you for saying that, because people
ignore me. And the worst thing you can do to
a person who's homeless or houseless is ignored them. And
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that's what a lot of American voters and non voters
have felt. So the Democratic Party and a person like Mandani,
a person like Avenuwsom, and we've seen this other Pritzker
and the two candidates who now are governors elect in
Virginia and New Jersey, I think they understand that too.
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I think a lot of Democrats understand it that you
got to talk to them, you got to communicate with
working class voters. Look, you know, we had them on
about I don't know, a month ago or so, or
three weeks ago, Tony Cabral, the representative from New Bedford, Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
You know who.
Speaker 15 (21:39):
New Bedford is close to Fall River, and Fall River
for the first time in one hundred years, went for
Donald Trump in twenty twenty four. That was the straw
that broke the camel's back. That was the fact that
if you're losing a working class district like that, you
know that things are.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Very, very.
Speaker 15 (22:02):
Sad, and they're going downhill rather quickly. So the Democrats
understand that, and I think they Democrats sort of outside
of Washington understand that there are still some in the
DC leadership, still some in the Democratic Party as a
whole that need to wake up. I think last night
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was a wake up call not only to the Republicans
but for the Democrats as well. And I really feel
that if the Democrats continue to be on the bold
progressive FDR path, will be the majority party that we
should have been over the last twenty or thirty years.
If you vacillate and play the middle of the road game.
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And there's again Jim high Tower said, nothing in the
middle of the road except dead armadillos and two yellow lines.
I think that's a great one to live by. That's
how I feel. Let's open up the phone lines at
eight three three five four five five three three three
and talk to our good friend John in Minneapolis, and
I think they're going to do a runoff for mayor.
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What is the latest, mister John in your fine city.
Speaker 17 (23:15):
Oh yes, Well, unfortunately Frey did on the second count
got a clear majority, so he is our He's the
third term mayor. So yeah, okay, but I think that.
Speaker 18 (23:36):
Fata has a long road ahead of him, and.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
I don't think that.
Speaker 18 (23:43):
Frey can ignore the issues that Omar and the other
people that ran against him, you know, he can't afford
to ignore those issues like housing and childcare and things
of this nature that you know. Unfortunately, Jacob Fray seems
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to be a typical centrist, you know, Democrat, and he
does exactly that. He kind of triangulates, and he pays
a lot of homage to the police department, I believe,
also to the police union, which I'm a union person,
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but they're more like a mafia really, and they kind
of dictate to the city, you know, the people here
how we should live, and most of them do not
live in the city, so they're kind of our ice
in a way, built in to the city infrastructure.
Speaker 19 (24:50):
And you know, there are other.
Speaker 12 (24:53):
People in the city.
Speaker 18 (24:54):
My own city council person one very handily and he
is it's the true prissive.
Speaker 19 (25:01):
And he did it without any.
Speaker 18 (25:04):
You know, advertising and whatnot. He has a very strong base.
He keeps in touch with.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
All the people, well, you know, the city councilors.
Speaker 15 (25:15):
John around the country board of Supervisors in California in
a place like San Francisco as an example, they call
him that because these are really you know, boots on
the ground kind of positions. Is not a lot of money,
and thankfully there isn't because you don't want to have
you know, board of supervisors basically being rubber stamps, you know,
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for for the one percent. So that's a good thing.
I want to get your views though on what happened
last night. When you need to think about what mom
Donnie did and the impact you think about what Gavin.
Speaker 12 (25:48):
News I did.
Speaker 15 (25:49):
I WoT it was amazing to me and the Democrats
should learn from both of those individuals. How to fight, yeah,
how to push back, how to put a policy agenda together.
Speaker 18 (26:02):
Your view, well, look at what happened in New Jersey.
I mean that was amazing, and you know, and then
Virginia and then even in some southern states in Georgia,
in Pennsylvania, the judgeships to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. All
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of that just shows that, you know, people are not
happy with with what's going on in.
Speaker 12 (26:33):
Washington, d C.
Speaker 18 (26:34):
With the Republicans and with Donald Trump. And you know,
he's gonna just basically double down on what he's doing,
which let him continue. It's going to get him, you know,
out of the White House and maybe even impeached. I'm
looking forward. I mean, I guess I have to say
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I'm not necessarily a vengeful person, but I believe in
justice and I think that they should be loved for
the kinds.
Speaker 12 (27:06):
Yeah, for all of these.
Speaker 15 (27:07):
You do the crime, you do the time, right, isn't
that what the rings to say? You know, do the crime,
do the time.
Speaker 16 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (27:14):
I mean, you know, if a person tells, you know,
I as well, there's going to be children out here,
and then is uh, you know, shot in the back?
What kind of people are these people? I Mean, it
reminds me. I was in the Soviet Union at the
end of the Soviet nineteen eighty eight, and you can
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definitely tell it was a police state. If you went
to East Germany, it.
Speaker 16 (27:42):
Was a police state.
Speaker 18 (27:43):
It was horrible people listening in on people's conversations and
doing all kinds of I mean, there were so many
different kinds of police. But interestingly enough, as soon as
the population, even within the old Soviet Union, add a
chance at democracy, they went for it because guess what,
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people prefer democracy. They don't prefer kings or rule from
the top.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
You know, you're so exactly right. I mean, this is
this is why, you know.
Speaker 15 (28:16):
Seventeen seventy six, you know, was was you know, and
it came out of Massachusetts and Lexington and conquered and
all that exact and you know they said the Tea Party,
you know, you know, screw this idea the king, you know,
and that is our world.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
We know the right wing is used.
Speaker 15 (28:33):
You know, we talked about the proposition issues last night
with Gary South, you know, and the proposition issue has
been used for a long time.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
You know.
Speaker 15 (28:40):
It's it's lower taxes, it's lower property taxes. You know,
they don't want to pay anything. But when it gets
to the working class and whether it's property or income
or whatever taxes there are. You know, it hurts people.
And if you don't provide the the fundamental needs on
healthcare and education, uh you know, on in infrastructure, then
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you know people are going to say, well, what are
my pain? And eventually that gets going. There is a
lot to talk about. John, I'll hold you over into
the next conversation where we have to go to the break.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
So stay right there.
Speaker 15 (29:12):
We will be talking with Harrol Myerson and John coming
up after this time out. You are tuned in to
the Jeff Santo Show. A day after a big victory.
Keep it up, Dems. We'll be right back.
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Thirty three minutes past the hour. It is the Jeff
Santo Show that you are tuned into, coming to you
live from the South coast here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
You know, it's it's so great.
Speaker 15 (33:48):
To be talking with a fantastic journalist who, like myself,
has seen a lot of ups and downs for progressives
and for Democrats in general. And when we have a
chance to celebrate and maybe before the show, before the
segment ends, Kevin, if you can get that, I think
it's cool in the gang celebrate song out you know,
(34:12):
way before you were born. Of course, that would be fantastic.
I think it'd be appropriate for this segment and going forward.
Our next guest is indeed, Harold Myerson's usually here on
a Monday's a Myerson Monday, but today, with what occurred
last night, we wanted to get a journalist who understands
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the progressive viewpoint and what this means, particularly what happened
in New York City last night and getting California too,
both blowouts and fantastic for progressives across the country. Harrol Myerson,
the fantastic American Prospect editor at large, joins us via
video from Washington, d C. I don't know if I'm
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going to get a big at smile, Harold, as I
did when the Dodgers won, but I think you're gonna
be happy.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
It's it's good.
Speaker 23 (35:02):
It's been an excellent week for Dodger fans and fans
of American democracy. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 15 (35:09):
There you go, well said, Well said, yeah, I get
a call from a good friend of ours last night
when didn't doing the special last night from Uh. He said,
it's good. Uh, it's a good night so far. And
it was even better two days ago as the Dodgers one.
So you have a fellow simpatico there from exactly indeed, indeed,
(35:33):
all right, so talk to me about the scenario.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
That occurred.
Speaker 15 (35:39):
I mean to me, and I want to get into
a comment that I heard from Frank Lunch. Of all people,
you know, talk about, you know, Debbie Downer every time
we got to hear that man. He was on MSNBC
of all places, which is really frustrating. You know, they're
they're going to ms now. I hope they get rid
of the past and become more of.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
The progressive future.
Speaker 15 (36:00):
But talk to me about first, you know, how exciting
as a progressive, as a journalist and a reporter who
has seen the ups and downs of the Democratic Party
and the progressive movement within the Democratic Party.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Your you know, your view from what occurred last.
Speaker 23 (36:17):
Night, Well, you know, I'm clearly I thought that the
results in New York City were, you know, a historic
high point for American progressivism. The Democratic Party since Franklin
Roosevelt has often been sort of social democratic without saying that.
(36:43):
And then you know, throughout the nineties and the aughts,
the party kind of succumbed to more neoliberal markets should
be free to do what they want regardless of consequence
beliefs than they were in social democracy. Things began to
(37:04):
move back as the results of that neoliberal de regulation
became clear with the financial collapse of two thousand and eight,
you know, and then there was this sort of simmering
that didn't really take any political form, you know, other
than brief little things like Occupy Wall Street, until Bernie
(37:27):
Sanders first ran for president in even before you know,
it's starting in twenty fifteen. And it wasn't so much
that he really created an overtly democratic socialist wing of
the Democratic Party so much as he revealed its existence,
(37:52):
which had gone, you know, largely undetected, not just by
mainstream Democrats, but by those Democrats who suddenly realize I
agreed with Bernie Sanders, and even revealed it to Bernie himself.
He didn't expect to do nearly as well as he
did when he entered the presidential race in twenty fifteen.
And since then we have sort of a mainstreaming of
(38:18):
what is if you look at it programmatically, what is
akin to the historic policies of European socialists and social
democratic parties expanding the public sphere into areas that the
market has completely mishandled, which in this country is certainly
(38:41):
the whole healthcare situation, among many others and so that's
been out there now, and it's particularly particularly the case
among young people who really are bearing the brunt of
the host of economic dysfunctions and have higher levels of
support for socialism, whatever they think that means, than their elders.
(39:08):
But it's also you know, that level of support is
also widespread within the Democratic Party. Both the most recent
Gallup poll on this and the most recent Pew pole
on this Gallop from October Pew from April show you know,
in both cases sixty six or sixty seven percent favorable
ratings for socialism among rank and file Democrats and favorable
(39:34):
ratings for capitalism ranging from forty two percent to fifty percent.
So you know, to the extent that the base of
the party has moved, it only makes sense that Zorin
Mundami was able to win the mayoralty of New York.
But of course he had to do it coming from
one percent support when he started through an absolute brilliant
(39:59):
camp pain that got the most out of social media
and the most out of volunteer mobilization by the campaign's
in having essentially mobilized more than one hundred thousand volunteers
to walk the sidewalks of New York and the phone
banks of New York and whatever else you have of
(40:21):
New York.
Speaker 19 (40:22):
It took.
Speaker 23 (40:23):
It took a brilliant campaign, and that's exactly what he delivered.
And he focused and this is the through line in
what the Democrats are doing these days, and not just affordability,
focused on affordability, as did the moderate Democrats Abigail Spanberger
and Mikey Cheryl. You know, if you look at the
(40:46):
turnout numbers, I've concluded that candidate Trump boosts Republican turnout,
but President Trump boosts Democratics like that because because once
he's in power and runs a mock and things get
worse and he infuriates Democrats and independents.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
And even in the case and prom Republicans.
Speaker 23 (41:13):
M yeah, you know. And there results of that exactly
what we saw yesterday, a coast to coast Democratic sweep.
Speaker 15 (41:24):
Doubt well going to hold up my Duncan Donuts coffee
again here. And of course this is the Trump tariff
scenario of seven dollars September fifteenth to September twentieth, it
was fourteen dollars still is, by the way, and Democrats
so we had on the third leading House memory yesterday
(41:44):
represented Pete Augly our first time I talked to him.
A fantastic guy and and understands the empathy. Yeah, and
we're hoping to have him on again soon. And you know,
we were making not a joke but of the reality
of what happens here.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
And I says, you know, duncan don't.
Speaker 15 (42:00):
It was founded in Quincy, Massachusetts, but it's all over
the country now, including in California.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
He goes, Oh, I know, I drink it. And you know,
the fact is is that.
Speaker 15 (42:09):
This is something you know, that that Trump handed us
and and we got to use it. And you know,
obviously I've always said this, you know, uh, non violently,
We're going to hit him.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Over the head with this.
Speaker 15 (42:19):
I mean, you know, just tariff discussions today with the
Supreme Court, they're they're looking at this and say, what
kind of power do you want? Even somebody like Gorsage,
who you know, is the These are the.
Speaker 23 (42:32):
Same justices that invented the doctrine of presidential immunity, and
even even some of them think that the guy has
way overstepped his constitutional powers. So yeah, I mean, they're
basically two themes that worked for the Democrats. Uh, the first, obviously,
(42:52):
is just the state of the economy affordability, uh, the
lack of job creation at a time when AI is
threatening all kinds of uh you know, uh, unemployment possibilities.
And the second, which uh you know, it may not
be what's bringing around swing voters, but is increasing the
(43:14):
participation of Democratic base voters and and independents as well.
It's just Trump's authoritarianism and the ice sweeps and things like.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
That, right, So exactly those are those are two real.
Speaker 23 (43:25):
Pluses and that's what powered the Democrats to a nationwide
victory on Tuesday.
Speaker 15 (43:32):
There's no doubt talking with Harold Myerson here on the
Jeff Santo Show, let me get a cup of water.
Speaker 23 (43:39):
Here downuts coffee there, even if you can afford it.
Speaker 15 (43:44):
Yeah, So what I'm going to do is I'm gonna
I'm going to do the planter away and little Poland
springs water here and so there you go. So we're
going to create the new England products for you. So
what I think and will open up the phone lines
(44:06):
in a minute. What I think is is important to
understand here and to give credit where credit is due.
I have been a big fan of what Gavin Newsom
has done in California with Prop fifty. He sort of
lit the match to fight back, you know, the first
you know, the first shot heard across the bout kind
(44:26):
of thing, and lection conquered whatever. But you think back
to March when Sanders and AOC when around the country,
particularly to your home state of the Los Angeles, which
I watched on c SPAN or YouTube or whatever concoction
because the mainstream media didn't really want to focus on it.
You know, that was sort of also the beginning. And
(44:49):
I hope here that the party doesn't doesn't realize that,
you know, and give credit not only to Newsom, who
deserves is really the face of the Democratic Party I
think in the future. But I believe that, you know,
you have to work hand in hand with Bernie Sanders.
(45:10):
As a matter of fact, when Newsom's first started talking
about this, he actually mentioned Sanders by name two or
three times one of his first speeches. And I know,
when you can get you know whatever. He had one
hundred thousand people in LA with Neil Young and you know,
keep on rocking in the free world and all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
You know.
Speaker 15 (45:28):
At the I don't know, it was a Grant Park
in La I'm not sure. But anyways, the point is
is that that, to me is the glue. And I
keep going back to the Biden Bernie combo in two
thousand and twenty one, which basically he gave Biden his
only sixty percent approval rating because he was dealing with
(45:49):
all these things on housing, all these things, on writing
giving people checks. You know, the vaccinations were under his watch,
all this stuff, and people said, yeah, we like this,
and you know, in Biden credited Bernie, and Bernie's people,
you know, a lot of them, you know, were also
crediting Biden and so forth.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
It all fell apart. You know that the Godzeimers of.
Speaker 15 (46:09):
The World and Mansion and Christian Cinema, thank god, two
of the three are gone. You know, they were the
ones that basically, you know, put a kebash on the
build back better, which became Ira, which wasn't as as
powerful as it could be. Your thoughts about this timeline here, Yeah, no.
Speaker 23 (46:30):
You're you're you're right, And you know, I think it
makes a certain amount of sense that it is the
people who have not been part of the political establishment
are the first to realize a danger because they're kind
of used to the outsider perspective, because that's where Bernie
(46:51):
has spent you know, most of his life, and ReOC
and Zara and Mandami, so they can see danger. You know,
They're just sort of positioned in a way that you know,
they can see the rising specter of anti democratic lower
(47:11):
case D rule more easily than people in the center. Newsom,
by the way, Newsom by the way, has established himself.
I agree with you. I think I wrote today that
he's sort of got at this point, won the pole
position for the twenty twenty eight Democratic presidential primary race.
(47:34):
His really vibrant opposition and effective opposition to Trump means
that in some ways he's the only Democratic figure with
a national reputation who you first don't put into an
ideological box as you do with Bernie and AOC and Mandamie,
(47:56):
as you do with Spamberger and Cheryl. You know, what
he's done is really addressing the felt need of Democrats
on all sides, which is, holy crap, We've got a
neo fascist trying to you know, run over the country,
(48:17):
and we need somebody to stop him. I mean, you know,
and I don't think he necessarily ever sat down and said, well,
this enables me to go beyond the kind of ideological
characterization which every other Democrat seems, you know.
Speaker 12 (48:37):
Stuck with.
Speaker 23 (48:40):
But he may have done that anyway, simply by virtue
of the strength of which he is effectively, as opposed
to ineffectively oppose what Donald Trump is trying to do.
Speaker 15 (48:55):
We're chatting with our good friend Harold Myerson again, the
American Prospect editor at large. The phone number to join
is A three three five four five five three three three,
And I know I want to get to John We're
talking to a little bit early in Minnesota, and Tom
in Los Angeles. But I want to just get a
quick reaction here because I did my my commentary on this,
and it angers me every time I see, uh, you know,
(49:17):
Frank Luntz. You know, I just think of a hypocrite,
you know, who has spend money. You know, somebody told
me because he was in the front row of the
Dodger Stadium a couple of years ago, and I'm like,
you know, how does he afford these tickets?
Speaker 5 (49:30):
He said, this is reserved used to be for Larry King.
Speaker 15 (49:32):
And I'm trying to think of Jane, the woman who
was a big game show host. I forget her name
now already that's used to be in the front row
all these celebrities, right, And I'm thinking, well, I know why,
because this guy gets all the money from the right
wing and he plays this game with the death taxes,
the estate tax and.
Speaker 5 (49:50):
All this the nonsense.
Speaker 15 (49:51):
Now he's saying, oh, well, you know, progressors are too much,
and then and there and Trump is too much, and
we're going, oh my god, it's going to be very,
very very bad for the country, you know, the streams.
I'm like, well, yeah, you want to go back the
status quo so you can make all your money and
basically let ten people make the decision for the rest
of the country. You know, this is a bs that
comes out of these right wing guys, and it just
annoys me at no end.
Speaker 24 (50:13):
Quick.
Speaker 23 (50:14):
Some people on the right of the Democratic Party too,
like Mark Penn exactly, you know, you know is on
this particular set of issues is essentially interchangeable with Frank Lunz,
so you.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
Know the Fox.
Speaker 12 (50:34):
Yeah yeah, so.
Speaker 23 (50:37):
Yeah, that is an issue. By the way, I am
old enough and an old enough Angelino to remember when
the best seats in Dodger Stadium could be had for
three dollars and fifty cents. But we're talking we're talking
nineteen nozravine, you know, nineteen sixty two, nineteen sixty three,
(51:01):
that was, that was what it costs. It's about three
hundred times that I gather oh today, particularly during the
World Series, if not more.
Speaker 5 (51:11):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 15 (51:12):
And that was that was Cofax and the Dodgers won
in sixty three. All right, let's go to the phones.
Speaker 23 (51:17):
Yes, Indeedy kofans.
Speaker 15 (51:21):
Oh, yeah, I can't imagine, you know, you know a lot. Yeah,
he was fantastic. All right, I think we still have John.
Let's go to John first and then Tom second. John,
you're next with Harold Myerson here on the Jeff Santo Show.
Speaker 24 (51:36):
Uh.
Speaker 15 (51:37):
Your comment on what we've been talking about.
Speaker 18 (51:41):
Well, yeah, I think I'm looking forward to changes in healthcare.
And I think that the fact that healthcare we spend
more than any other industrialized country in the world, you know,
twice as much, if not even more than that, and
we don't cover everybody, you know, I think we ought
(52:06):
to look at that and then also look at how
much of our GDP goes into healthcare that pays drug companies,
insurance companies to overcharge us and to charge us for
what we don't need. The middleman Medicare does it for
two to three percent administrative costs instead of twenty percent.
(52:29):
So that's where so much money is going. And just
think of the boom to the economy. If people didn't
have to worry about healthcare, they wouldn't stay in jobs
they don't like simply because they get health care.
Speaker 12 (52:43):
They would be able.
Speaker 18 (52:44):
To go out on their own, you know, and that
kind of thing. And I want to say, I'm just
you know, I'm just bowled over. I mean, what happened
the Democratic wave, progressive Democrats winning in so many places
throughout the country. Uh, It's it's amazing, and we need
(53:06):
to keep it going. And I'm looking forward to the
to that too, because I'm a progressive of many, many years,
and I'm just getting tired of the middle of the road.
You know, here, here's your crown, yeah yeah, and you
(53:29):
know there's nothing there there, It's a big nothing in
the middle there. They have jerked this country so far
to the right, the Republican Party that now they want
to basically take over the country in a in a.
Speaker 19 (53:47):
Coup, you know, Like, I mean, that's resounding.
Speaker 18 (53:50):
I'm glad my my in laws and my parents are
both gone. They would be speechless. I'd have to have
them go through therapy. And one set is Republican and
the other set work Democrats.
Speaker 12 (54:04):
But boy, they.
Speaker 18 (54:05):
Would not like what's going on.
Speaker 5 (54:08):
It would be just yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 12 (54:11):
That's amazing.
Speaker 5 (54:11):
Thank you, John, appreciate.
Speaker 15 (54:13):
We just got yeah appreciated joint Harold, go right ahead.
Speaker 23 (54:19):
Yeah, Well, I mean healthcare is costing at this juncture
nearly twenty percent of the gross domestic product, and in
European countries which have universal health care, it costs about
ten percent of their GDP. So if we could reduce
(54:39):
that that that's ultimately trillions of dollars that could be
freed up to meet all other kinds of needs that
are not being met. You know it, when we talk
about an affordability agenda, this is one of the this
you know, this is perhaps the single biggest item beyond
control of of a mayor or even of a governor
(55:03):
except around around the edges. But it was certain certainly,
you know, an issue that actually commands broad support, you know,
I mean, most Americans clearly favor you know, the government
being able to bargain with healthcare companies for the and
(55:27):
set work with them to set the price of medication
rather than just letting them, you know, create skyrocketing prices.
The above mentioned Gavin Newsom, i should say, actually got
the California legislature to appropriate fund so that the state
could produce its own insulin. And on January first, those
(55:50):
vials of insulin are going on sale in California for
I think eleven bucks, which is hugely less expensive than
what the drug companies have been charging. And the drug
companies have been somewhat compelled to reduce their prizes because
Bernie Sanders highlighted this issue in senatorial hearings. So you know,
(56:14):
this sort of points the way to where Democrats can
begin to address affordability on a wider range of of
of really critical points in American in the American political economy.
Speaker 5 (56:30):
No doubt.
Speaker 15 (56:30):
All right, quickly, let's go to Los Angeles. Thank you, John,
and talk to Tom in the City of Angels. You're
next with Harold Myerson, a Los Angeles native, got ready
to head mister Tom.
Speaker 16 (56:45):
Oh.
Speaker 25 (56:45):
Yeah, First off, we the people ultimately are the government,
and we showed that in the last next election, and
it just really showed you the power of the vote
and how we all need to get out and vote.
This is our this is our democracy after all. We do, however,
need to get money out of politics complete least so
we can restore government actively the people. The thing that
(57:07):
bothers me a little bit about, you know, media coverage,
is that everyone seems act like this is a game.
All Mandamie did this. He had a great message on this. No, no,
this is how he feels. This is actually what he
wants to do for the people. And I'm so sick
of that becoming this this consulting class and analyzing, oh
(57:32):
this is good and this is what they should do here. Now,
we're not like the Republican Party where they just have
a message and it's just a message and then they
lie about it. We actually believe in helping people. We
actually believe in democracy, We actually believe in unions, We
actually believe in small businesses. We believe actually in capitalism,
(57:53):
if it's unregulated capitalism, it's capitalism that actually helps a
mom in top type business. But we also believe in
a strong social safety net. So therefore, when we do folve,
there's something to catch us. Because we took the opportunity
to run our own business or to work for a union,
or to have democracy in the workplace. That's the difference
(58:14):
we are not. I don't like to really the word
democratic socialism. Mandami says that he says with no apologies,
which I love about him. He doesn't apologize or skirt
around anything. But it's really social democracy is what it is.
It's a social democratic, you know system. It's where we
(58:35):
the people have decided what it is that we want
to actually spend our tax dollars on and actually make
it so we can have a future for our kids
and grandkids. And the Republicans just want to basically to
give it all to the billionaire class and have the
serf you know, and the and the uber rich, the
great Gatsby.
Speaker 12 (58:56):
So I think that, you.
Speaker 25 (58:57):
Know, we just willing people need to wake up and
realize footboarding against your best centers to realize.
Speaker 5 (59:03):
We got to do that. I got to run.
Speaker 15 (59:05):
I hear you appreciate it, Tom Harold exactly the FDR
road map, that's the road. You get it, Tom. Thirty
seconds mister Myerson.
Speaker 23 (59:18):
Uh, well, I agree with what Tom said. I agree
with what John said. Uh and uh, we have a
roadmap at this point on how to go forward. Uh.
You know, the American people are do not like the
effects of Donald Trump's presidency, and when Democrats advance some
(59:40):
plausible alternative policies that can actually help them, they're gonna
vote that way.
Speaker 12 (59:46):
And so they.
Speaker 5 (59:48):
Want the real thing.
Speaker 15 (59:50):
Remember that coke commercial from years ago, The real thing, baby,
Harold Myerson, American Prospect. Thank you, my friend. We'll talk
next Monday. Yes, thanks for coming into We'll be right back, folks.
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Speaker 15 (01:07:01):
Coming you lie from the South coast here in the
Commonwealth of Massachusetts. And oh what a night it was
last night, crossed the country from California to the New
York Isle to the great New York City, and I'm
Donnie's win down the coast in New Jersey and Virginia
and all the places Georgia. We stopped the Vice President's
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brother for becoming mayor in Cincinnati. There were winds in Georgia.
There were wins all up and down the coast of
Virginia too.
Speaker 5 (01:07:35):
Well.
Speaker 15 (01:07:35):
Very exciting for somebody who a few weeks ago was
organizing with our friends that move on, our friends at
Indivisible and ACLU.
Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
And so on and so forth.
Speaker 15 (01:07:49):
It's the executive director Social Security Works.
Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
He is a pitbull for progressives.
Speaker 15 (01:07:57):
And I'm talking about, of course, only Alex Lawson, who
I know has a smile on his face. Unfortunately we
have him just on audio today, but I can only
imagine that the smile is very wide for mister Lawson,
happy progressive populist day after mister Alex, how are you.
Speaker 19 (01:08:21):
Thanks, Jeff?
Speaker 24 (01:08:22):
Yeah, no, I am smiling, and I would be joining
on video, but I'm actually meeting an activist advocate who
is coming to DC to share her story about the
incredible healthcare destruction by the Republicans.
Speaker 19 (01:08:42):
So, yes, last night.
Speaker 24 (01:08:44):
Was a great win just all over the country, and yes,
we have to roll that directly into today's activism and advocacy,
because you know, the Republicans continue to hold the government
shut down, hold snap, you know, take food off of
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the plates of the hungry, in order to raise the
costs of healthcare beyond the reach of millions of Americans.
So we just need to take this momentum and run
with it right now, Jeff, because I know you know this,
but if you're not in DC, it is hard to
imagine how warped perception can get here. And there's literal
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conversations right now, right now about giving up about caving
into Donald Trump after last night's election.
Speaker 19 (01:09:40):
Yes, they're Democrats who are trying.
Speaker 24 (01:09:42):
To figure out if they should give up right now,
and we're like, no, fight, fight.
Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 15 (01:09:51):
And you know I was telling our previous guest, Harol
Myerson the American Prospect, I know, you know him well,
you know who understands this. And you know I would
on my commentary today about freaking Frank Luntz.
Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
You know he was on there and this is such hypocrite.
Speaker 15 (01:10:07):
This guy goes to the Democratic Convention in Chicago as
Zoul Well, the Democrats have to moderate themselves and they
and they end up doing that with Harris's campaign, and
look what happens with Trump and then oh no, Trump,
isn't that that concerned about the issue of immigration, and
you know there's nothing Ice is not a problem.
Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Now he's saying progressives win.
Speaker 15 (01:10:27):
Oh the country's you know, coming apart, and you know
it's going to be violent.
Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
You know, you got two extremes.
Speaker 15 (01:10:33):
I'm like, where was this a couple of months ago,
you know, when when Trump was on the streets of
Los Angeles in Chicago? You know, these hypocrites And and
for MSNBC, who I love, I know you do too,
you know, to put this guy on the air, I mean,
you know, it's unbelievable because this is the BS that
permeates in New York City of Washington, not that you
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you own it or run it. You just happen to
live there because that's where the capitol is. But you know,
it's this kind of BS that just annoys me. And
you know, really, there's no need to put this BS
the day after. You know, not only is it a
Debbie downer, but it's it's it's it's it's stupid because
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he does not stand for anything. This is a guy
who makes a ton of money to go to the
front row of the Dodgers game, you know, to sit
with whether it Jane Hart or whatever her name is
used to be Larry King seats and you.
Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
Know this is what they care about. They don't care
about the country. He's so concerned. Give me a break.
Speaker 15 (01:11:33):
This is what you have to deal with every day,
Alex in that city that you used to live in,
that you live in I used to live in, I
should say, I tell you, you know, it's just it's
just pathetic.
Speaker 24 (01:11:46):
It is a I mean, Frank Launch is a Republican poster.
I mean, when the Democrats exactly really figure out that
they shouldn't listen to Republicans to tell them what to do.
Speaker 19 (01:11:58):
You know that'll be a great yay.
Speaker 24 (01:12:00):
But you know, last night's election showed this other thing.
And this is again the only people I will The
only thing you got wrong is I don't love MSNBC.
Speaker 19 (01:12:08):
You know, there's there's good people on it, but generally
the corporate media.
Speaker 24 (01:12:12):
All the way is on the wrong side of our issues.
It's just owned by billionaires, operated four billionaires.
Speaker 19 (01:12:20):
But uh, I get your point. They definitely you.
Speaker 24 (01:12:24):
Know, uh, there are some some good good shows on there,
and they shouldn't have Franklins on. But I like your show.
I like shows that aren't uh, don't have to tow
a corporate line and our fearless truth tellers and and
you know when people listen to your show and they
follow your advice, that's when we get results like last night.
Speaker 19 (01:12:45):
And here's the thing that the.
Speaker 24 (01:12:46):
Pundits are paid to not see, or to pretend they
can't see into sew division. You know, they're all on
TV today being like, oh, well, which path forward is it?
Speaker 19 (01:12:58):
Is it a democratic socialist or is it the moderates?
And it's gonna tear the party apart?
Speaker 24 (01:13:03):
And you're like, they ran on the same thing, right,
that's the story.
Speaker 19 (01:13:09):
How did mom Donnie win in New York? He ran on.
Speaker 24 (01:13:12):
Fighting Trump and making America affordable? How did Spamberger win
in Virginia fighting Trump and making America affordable?
Speaker 16 (01:13:22):
It is a consistent message.
Speaker 19 (01:13:24):
That wins, and it's because that's.
Speaker 24 (01:13:26):
What the American people want, and politicians who stand up
and fight back against Trump's tyranny, his attempted takeover of
this country, and who fight to make America affordable for
the American people.
Speaker 19 (01:13:44):
They are going to win.
Speaker 24 (01:13:46):
But that's why, you know, for the corporatists, that's why
it's a terrifying moment for them, Jeff, And you know
that's why I that's what I'm doing. You know, we're
moving right into the fight. It celebrate, celebrate the victory.
But remember how happy you are. The worst people you
can imagine are that sad. And they are plotting and
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scheming how to not let us take the momentum and
roll with that forward, fighting Trump and making America affordable
by fixing the healthcare crisis that the Republicans caused. That's
why there's now these calls to you know, cave right
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now and I will.
Speaker 19 (01:14:33):
The good news is it was.
Speaker 24 (01:14:35):
Such a resounding victory that we at least are buying
some time. The gang in the Senate is saying, hey,
we're still working on it. The scuttle boat was that
they were going to do it tomorrow, try to change
the story immediately. But now they're saying they're going to
work through the weekend, and we're saying to them, take
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a win. Donald Trump just called the Republicans to the
White House and he said the shutdown is why they lost.
I don't want to meddle with his analysis because what
he told the Republicans is in the favor of the
Republicans cutting a deal with the Democrats. So we should
amplify that, even if you know, he's basically doing anything
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he can to not blame himself for the crushing losses
that the Republicans faced last night. And so, yeah, it
is a big smile day, Jeff. And it is definitely
a you know, for so many people who worked so hard.
But it's also not the end. It's just the beginning,
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and we're not going to keep until we defeat Trump.
Speaker 15 (01:15:44):
Exactly, you know, Alex Laws And for those who may
not have known how he does things and how he
works together, he is a true blue progressive populist like yours, truly,
but he lives.
Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
In d C.
Speaker 15 (01:15:59):
So he understands the reality of having to bring together
moderates and Democrats. But he gets annoyed like I do.
And I'm speaking on your behalf, Alex, but I think
I understand you a little bit. You know, he does everything.
I mean, he was part of the group that brought
Bernie and Biden together. I keep referring to this coalition
as a model for the next version. You know, Bernie
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and Biden got together, did a lot of things. You
were in the middle of all that. You know, you're
a Bernie disciple. If I could put you that that
category on you, you know, I am in a way
as well. But we understand that, you know, you have
to work in the structure that you have. I mean
to be great, you know, Shangri La and everything and
be great and you know Nirvana Land not the band,
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but you know.
Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
To me, you got to do it.
Speaker 15 (01:16:43):
But these guys want to take you to the Republican
like and always finished in second place. I mean the
Washington generals of Harlem Globe Trotter is fain, you know,
I mean, this is ridiculous. And you know, I'm glad now.
I mean, there's gonna be a lot of pressure on
Schumer and you know, by the way, we're on in
New York and New Jersey. By the way, a great
friends at WGHT and you know. But the fact is
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is that what you know Cuomo last night, you know,
ended a miraculous legacy in my view, because I was
a big Mario Cuomo fan and a original progressive populist
on the FDR road map, and I look at this
and I just think, you know, what are you doing?
What you know, New York You gotta embrace Mamdani. I mean,
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if you listen to that speech last night, it was phenomenal.
You don't get speeches like that every day. And then
a couple cap it off with Gavin Newsom, who's been
fighting and went in the face of Trump. You talk about,
you know, pushing back, and he has led that and
that Prop fifty is going to open the door, hopefully
for the Democrats to win back the House. So I mean,
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all of this to me is is a beautiful pitcher
last night, and I just think you just got to
keep pushing forward. So I'm very glad you're excused no
video today because you're doing.
Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
The right thing.
Speaker 15 (01:18:00):
And I really feel there is an opportunity here, you know,
for Democrats to take that momentum and write it right
into November of twenty six and if they keep on
the path that we talked about, a Biden Bernie path,
an FDR path where you talk healthcare and you do
it and if you can't get there, the example of
FDR wanted to want to pack the Supreme Court, but
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he eventually got a Republican or two to basically back down,
and he got a lot of stuff done. If you
push hard and you don't you don't negotiate, you know,
with yourself. In some cases, you know you can. You
can win the day and you can become the majority
party in this country.
Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
Your thoughts will hoping up the phone.
Speaker 19 (01:18:40):
Lines as.
Speaker 24 (01:18:42):
Absolutely and obviously the opposite too. If you cave, you lose, right,
so you have to fight.
Speaker 19 (01:18:49):
If you want to win, you have to fight.
Speaker 30 (01:18:51):
Uh.
Speaker 24 (01:18:52):
And you know, I do think we're seeing you know,
Bernie actually said that today, if.
Speaker 19 (01:18:57):
You cave, you lose.
Speaker 24 (01:18:58):
And there's a lot of senators, Democratic senators who are
talking directly to the gang that is, you know, between
eight and ten who've been making noise about caving without
getting a win, and.
Speaker 19 (01:19:15):
They're saying, you know, you have to keep fighting.
Speaker 24 (01:19:19):
And it is these two you know, world views, but
one of them is so demonstrably stupid, like you can't
win if you don't fight. And luckily, I think it
was so loud and clear last night that what the
American people want is politicians who are going to fight
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Trump's tyranny and politicians who are going to make America
affordable by taking on the outrageous rent, the outrageous grocery prices,
the outrageous drug prices.
Speaker 19 (01:19:53):
On and on and on.
Speaker 24 (01:19:55):
Donald Trump won by promising that he was going to
make America affordable, but he not only didn't do that,
he empowered all of the actors to go the exact
opposite direction and then put in place tariffs that by themselves,
you know, attacks on goods paid for by the American people,
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increase the.
Speaker 19 (01:20:20):
Costs of everything across the board.
Speaker 24 (01:20:23):
And the American people are saying no, not that we
want lower.
Speaker 19 (01:20:29):
Costs for the people.
Speaker 24 (01:20:31):
We want to create a society that works for the people,
not for just the billionaires. And we want politicians who
will fight, and it doesn't matter if they you know,
it matters. Like there are places like New York City
where a Democratic socialist is going to be able to win,
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but he's going to win on fighting and affordability. And
then there's places like Virginia where more moderate Democrat is
going to win, but she's gonna win on fighting and affordability.
And that's the message that all Democrats have to take.
There is a unifying uh, there's a unifying message, and
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agenda that the American people are demanding Democrats move forward with.
Speaker 15 (01:21:22):
You're so right, Alex again, the phone number to join
is A three three five four five five three three three. Kevin,
let me know who we have on the line. I
must tell you it is beyond me when you see
how a progressive populist agenda. You know that Bernie has made,
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I mean, Bernie has taken the FDR model which got
blown up after the viet during the Vietnam War in
nineteen sixty seven sixty eight, and you know, the Democrats
kind of lost their way on understanding a domestic agenda
led on the issues of healthcare, education. You know, it
used to be a thing called health education welfare, right HGW.
(01:22:06):
You know, which is gone. But the point is is
that that's the foundation of Democrats who stand for the
working class, who stand for you know, the underdog. The
Republicans have always been the party of the elites. You know,
you go back to to Coolidge and Hoover for crying
out loud, and you know, so if you can't, you know,
do that, you're never gonna win being the second fiddle,
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you know, Republican light. You know, Harry Truman said that
for crying out loud. So it to me, it goes
without saying. And you know if these other consultants in Washington,
you know who are baked in, uh you know to
the apparatus, you know, you know, if they keep you know,
in the ears of the leaders. Oh well, you can't
go too far. You gotta be careful. You gonna run
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thirty second ads against you. Please, you know, get some
cohounas move forward, you know, and if you take look, mom,
Donnie took a bunch of bs from Republican and you
know Trump machine as well as Cuomo and corporate Democrats.
Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
He survived one by ten points.
Speaker 15 (01:23:07):
You know, there's a model right there for you in
the largest city in the world, in the most expensive
media market in the world too.
Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
So there you go.
Speaker 15 (01:23:15):
And he survived it because he could get things done.
Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
A perfect example.
Speaker 20 (01:23:19):
Right.
Speaker 24 (01:23:20):
He was outspent, He was outspent seven to one by
pack money.
Speaker 19 (01:23:25):
I mean, you had billionaires pouring millions of dollars in.
But he took that lesson from FDR.
Speaker 24 (01:23:31):
Welcome their hatred, right, that's what he knew. If the
worst people in the world are throwing millions of dollars
to try to defeat you know that you're doing something right,
and in fact, tell the people about it right, tell
the people the billionaires are trying.
Speaker 19 (01:23:49):
To defeat me because they know I'm on your side
and not their side. It's really such a simple playbook, Jeff.
That it is.
Speaker 24 (01:23:58):
You know, sometimes shot how hard it is for people
to get and then you remember though that the reason
is because their ears are stuffed with money. That's why
it's hard to hear us. They're paid for that density.
You know, the billionaires are very, very not generous. But
whatever they're throwing their money around, they know that they
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need to convince everyone, if not to work for them,
then to at least be scared of them.
Speaker 16 (01:24:28):
Uh.
Speaker 24 (01:24:29):
And that was one of the main things that FDR
sort of did that showed this this new deal a
new path was he did not say I'm scared of
Wall Street. He said I welcome their hatred and then
every time they attacked him, he turned it into a positive.
(01:24:51):
And it worked because the people they do not like
billionaires in Wall Street, they don't.
Speaker 19 (01:24:57):
Like governmental buy billionaires.
Speaker 24 (01:24:59):
They oh that that means that it's not for them.
Speaker 15 (01:25:07):
But when the dropkick Murphy's you know, used a very
bad word. When they were talking about Elon Musk. I
knew that, you know, the populist rock band from the
Boston area understood where Elon Musk is about. He is
a billionaire who's selfish, who doesn't understand anything about helping
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their fellow man, sending up doge, you know, destroying people's lives.
He doesn't care. You know, he just goes on because
he's got all the money in the world. He doesn't
need any more. And you know that's what he is.
And this is this is to me how people are reacting.
And you know, I don't think the Dropkick Murphy's are
a very political band in general, but when I heard that,
I'm like, wow, this is a few months ago. But
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this goes to show you that, you know, people understand
the BS and this what it is that's coming from
Trump and his fellow you know, uh acolytes. And the
fact is is that this is this is the crowd
that you know, we'll try to continue to b Yes.
I mean I heard somebody to say, a Republican consultant
today say, well, you know, people have to start waking
(01:26:16):
up in the Republican Party because you know, he's not
paying attention. Well, of course he's not paying attention because
he only cares about himself putting money in his pocket.
He goes to Saudi Arabia, put money in the cash
register of the of the Trump Foundation. You know, you
go to you go to other parts of the world,
same thing. You know, you make a deal with with
the tariffs with UH, with Japan or Peru or someplace,
(01:26:36):
same thing. I mean, you know, wake up, it's it's
it's right there, you know, all of a sudden. You know,
some sometimes corporate democrats and and and consultants, they have
like an instant fog machine.
Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
Oh I can't see anything. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 15 (01:26:50):
You know, It's like it's like Sergeant Schilton Hogan's heroes.
I see nothing, I hear nothing. That's that's what we get.
But sometimes.
Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
Let's go to John.
Speaker 15 (01:27:01):
It is Jeff that go ahead, Alex, go ahead.
Speaker 24 (01:27:06):
Just the good news is that the politicians aren't the leaders, right,
I mean, the people are the leaders. People are though,
when you know, the people are where bravery comes from. Uh.
And so as long as we're out there showing the politicians.
Speaker 19 (01:27:23):
What we demand they do, uh, then we will win.
Speaker 24 (01:27:27):
As long as the people are brave and powerful, uh,
and have a.
Speaker 19 (01:27:33):
Strategy to win. We will always.
Speaker 24 (01:27:36):
Win because it's just there's a very small number of billionaires. Yes,
they have a ton of money, but look at mom, Donnie.
I just said he was outspent seven to one by
these packs. At the end of the day, money doesn't vote.
Speaker 19 (01:27:51):
People do. And so people power money power every time more.
Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
Of us than are them.
Speaker 15 (01:27:57):
And there're seven million that showed up and said mental
things to you, mister Trump. All right, let's go non violently.
Mister John, you get about thirty seconds with Alex lost
and go ready to head, my friend, if you have
a thought a question, John, did we lose?
Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
John?
Speaker 12 (01:28:16):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 18 (01:28:16):
Mandami connected with the people, and that is how you
win elections, you don't, you know, impose yourself from above
and tell them this is the crumbs that you can get. No,
he connected directly with them and is supporting them. And yeah,
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that's he started out with like one percent in terms
of support and went in a year to where he
won the election. So it proves that money is.
Speaker 19 (01:28:52):
Not something that it's not the answer on the end.
Speaker 16 (01:28:56):
It is that connection. Yeah, it's that connection.
Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
Alex I got forty second with Thank you, John, you
got it.
Speaker 19 (01:29:04):
I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 24 (01:29:07):
Authenticity and meeting people where they are and treating them
with respect. He truly understands the definition of being a
public servant.
Speaker 13 (01:29:16):
Uh.
Speaker 24 (01:29:16):
And you know he's he's in it for the right reasons,
which is to build with the people.
Speaker 19 (01:29:22):
And so he listens to the people even though he
doesn't agree with and don't agree with him.
Speaker 24 (01:29:27):
He's made it clear that he's going to talk to
people and listen.
Speaker 19 (01:29:31):
To people, meet them where they are.
Speaker 24 (01:29:32):
But he's never going to compromise on his values and
his visions, and that's what builds the respect that leads.
Speaker 19 (01:29:39):
To him get people last night.
Speaker 5 (01:29:43):
Thank you, Alex. Gonna run my man. Next time.
Speaker 15 (01:29:46):
We got a little video and we'll talk to you
hopefully next week. We've got to get this going on
a weekly basis. Thanks Alex, all the best man.
Speaker 19 (01:29:52):
Absolutely, Thanks Jeff, thank you.
Speaker 15 (01:29:55):
We'll be right back, folks. It's the Jeff Santo Show.
Thirty three minutes past the hour. It is the Jeff Stantune, KCIA, Loma, Linda.
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understands progressive populism, has written a number of books on them.
Was basically the one that kind of introduced Bernie Sanders
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to the Midwest and to most of America. Frankly, he
is the national affairs correspondent for The Nation magazine. He
is a man on the move in California today. He's
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right now, and so is John Nichols. John, thank you
for taking time out of your busy schedule to say
the least, how are you?
Speaker 16 (01:34:43):
It is business schedule because something happened.
Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
You know, that's right.
Speaker 16 (01:34:48):
And once we get news and that's.
Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
Right, and it brings a smile to our face.
Speaker 16 (01:34:57):
That's right, and people are excited about what developed. And
and also It's one of those remarkable moments that does
ask for explanation, that does ask us to kind of
pause and think about it. Because you and I have
been doing radio together for a very long time. We
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have been on many, many many Wednesdays when things went
bad the day before, right, or when they were just
disappointing or insufficient or whatever, and not least of that
is a year ago, you know, right now. But here
we have a moment where we can actually say that
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Democrats pretty want much won everywhere, you know, I mean
they yeah around the country, you know, in Mississippi, in Georgia,
in California. You just it's hard to to, you know,
keep up with all of the positive results. So that's
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it's a rare night, but it's not an unexplainable night.
And that's why we're all talking about it so much.
We know why this happened. This is a reaction against
Donald Trump's failed president. And that's the one thing that
unites all of these results. Zara Mundani is a very
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different guy than Abigail, you know, very different person than
Abigail Stamberger. Right, the concerns of people in Mississippi may
be somewhat different from the concerns of people in California.
And yet when true pull all these threads, what what
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is the core commonality is that Donald Trump is an
incredible mobilizer for the Democratic Party.
Speaker 5 (01:36:56):
So true.
Speaker 15 (01:36:57):
Talking with John Nichols again, the national affairs correspondent of
The Nation magazine, of course, author of many great books
on top of it, you know, I must tell you,
I think the one thing you know that really caught
me yesterday and watched the Mandannie and then later Gavin Newsom,
is to fight to fight back, you know, And to me,
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both of those individuals in different ways. I mean, you know,
Mandannie had like, you know, a thousand people or whatever
it was in that in that Paramount theater I guess
it is in Brooklyn, and you know, to me and
Newsom had just a handful of people. It's more of
a press conference setting. But they both you know, you
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could see it and feel it, you know, from their bones.
They're saying, we're not going to take this bs anymore.
We're not taking taking people off the streets anymore. We're
not going to allow you to cost you know, a
pound of coffee from Dunkin Donuts that I'm holding up
once again, you know that went from seven dollars to
fourteen dollars in one week. You know, I mean this
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is insane, and it is to me, people are fighting back.
You saw it in the No Kings rallies that you
covered and I went to you know, I mean, it's there,
and you know, I'm so excited that the people of
America are fighting back peacefully, non violently and show a
major contrast with the other side.
Speaker 5 (01:38:23):
And I think, to me, that is what it is.
You know, I saw this, and I mentioned this.
Speaker 15 (01:38:27):
I don't want to put too much emphasis upon this
because he purposely does these things and and and and
and journalists, you know, allow him to go on, including
on MSNBC, which you know I used to go on
a lot, and you have been on many times. I
mean they had on Frank Lunch today, you know, and
he's this crocodile tears of like, oh, well, you know
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that this country is so polar, opposites and nobody in
the middle. And you know, you get Trump on the
right side and the progressors on the left. And I'm like,
where were you when Trump was putting people on the
streets and taking them off, mister LUNs, where were you
when the tariffs went up and it costs now fourteen
dollars from seven dollars in one week at the local
s and s and mass choose to get a pound
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of coffee.
Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
You know where were you?
Speaker 15 (01:39:09):
You know, this all this crocodile bs and you see
it some from corporate Dems too. But the point is
is that this is the stuff that you know that
Dems who are progressive in the Bernie Sanders FDR mode,
we know the right way and we can't be bothered
by this this insignificant you know, people who come into
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the coming late to the party and want to poop
all over it. And this is what we got to be,
you know, make sure that the leaders of the Democratic
Party are not listening to people like this, you know,
because this is this to me would be a disaster,
if if if there's any thought and it could be
a Democratic consultant impersonating LUNs they mean the same thing
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that to me is really I don't call it suicidal,
that's maybe too strong of a word, but it is
detrimental to any idea of the Democratic Party being a
majority party of the years to come.
Speaker 16 (01:40:03):
Your thoughts, look, I mean that you're still gonna have
a wrestling match for the sole Democratic Party, because that
fight's been going on.
Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
Now for more than euro years.
Speaker 16 (01:40:14):
And it hasn't been. Yeah, you've got a consultant class
and a donor class to some extent, and political elites
who don't understand how to do politics, never have, never will.
What they understand how to do is make a living
off off people who do do politics, and their consultation
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is always to go saf, pull your punch, follow a
set of silly, almost absurd talking points, and somehow that's
gonna work well. On occasion, it does because the other
side is so bad that by comparison you come out okay.
But if you're serious about politics, this is what you
have to recognize. Democrats have to stand for something. What
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they have to stand for it has to be bold,
has to evolve, to be the challenges of the moment.
It has to convince voters not just that you've got ideas,
but that you stand by those ideas and if you
get power, you're going to implement them. Right. This is
creating a principle politics now in New York. That's what
Zoran Mangani did from early on, set his issues out,
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made it very very clear that he wasn't going to
sell out, obviously to corporate power, but it also made
it very clear that he was a personal principal who
is willing to talk about things that were controversial. You
look at what he did on Gaza, an issue that
he talked about a lot. There weren't any consultants that
are going to say, oh, yeah, you should make Gaza
a great, big issue in New York City. But he
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had strong beliefs about these issues. He cared about it,
and so he talked about it. End result is it
helped him right the issue that the consultants would tell
you would hurt you, it turned out to be beneficial
because would people. You know, even if people who had
have disagreed with Mom Donnie on the issue, when they
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when it hurt his sincerity and when he was willing
to talk with them and engage with them on it,
they were like, Okay, we may not agree on everything,
but I kind of respect this guy. I like him.
He has beliefs, he stands by them by the same token,
He's willing to keep talking to me and keep talking
to other people who disagree with him. And at the
end of the day, I think that that sort of
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that test, if you will, which Mom Donnie passed, was
critical to helping him win over fifty percent of the vote,
over a million votes passed for him, and to win
on the basis of one of the highest turn up
levels since the nineteen sixties in New York City. So,
I mean, it worked, and the consultants really ought to
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take a look at this and understand that if they're
trying to talk it down, then they are talking down
the strategy that has the potential not certainty, but the
potential to be incredibly beneficial for the party in twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 15 (01:43:10):
I couldn't agree with you more. Yesterday we had on
our good friend yesterday. Yeah, it was yesterday. Jerry Austin
was on, and you know, these days and doing double
headers and stuff on the air till late at night,
it gives me a little bit fog green. But he
was saying, whoever was the person who who discovered Mandani
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in a sense, you know, that said hey, you should
run for the Assembly and so forth.
Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
You know, he says that that.
Speaker 15 (01:43:38):
Person, if he was a campaign operative or a consultant whatever,
should be applauded. And at the same time, you know,
and he's been outside of Washington, which is a whole
different world. The operatives that are in d C, you know,
are are kind of like the wallpaper of years ago.
Speaker 5 (01:43:53):
I don't think anybody has wallpaper anymore, but that's what
they are.
Speaker 15 (01:43:57):
But yeah, I guess you at old nineteen seventies house,
I guess maybe. But but the point is is that
there is you know, they're the consultants who are outside
of DC. Example of this guy Planter in Maine. You know,
the the journalists that go from outside to actually go
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to Maine, they all look at him and say, you know,
he got two thousand a town of two thousand, and
you know seven and you know you get seventeen hundred
or you get eleven hundred. You know, the entire town
is coming out to see this guy speak. But if
you if you listen to people in Washington and and
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and New York, you know you think he's he's the
son of Sam or something. So it to me is
is really interesting. And I think there were at a
point where it's now people are realizing and I don't
know if it's if it's a new generation that's figuring
it out, because they have a lot of information at
their fingertips if they want to use it, you know,
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with the phone and the Internet. But I think there's
there's a change here, and I think we're at the point.
Maybe this is you know, nineteen thirty three with FDR.
Maybe it's it's it's a it's a combination of things.
I don't know, But we're at a point. And I
think you're you're great to make it, you know, a moment.
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It is a moment, and I think we need to
hold onto it. If we let it go, you know,
shame on us so and and not so much you
and me, but I mean Democrats as a whole.
Speaker 16 (01:45:33):
Well yeah, I mean, look, the Democratic Party is a
diverse party. It has people who come from a lot
of different perspectives. Even among its consultants, they different perspectives.
Some of them will learn, some of them will evolve,
some will be on top of where things need to be.
A lot of them won't though, a lot of them
are resistant. And the fact of the matter is that
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what daram Mam Donnie and daramam donni at people consulted
with him. But you talk new breed, a new generation,
if you will, of folks who are ready to look
at how you run a race for a major office,
and he empowered them. He made a part of what
he was doing and it worked out very very well. Interestingly,
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if you look around the country, remember Democrats are winning
all over. It's an incredibly good night, or it was
an incredibly good night. They all have their different consultants,
they have all their different approaches, and you know, in honesty,
everybody was winning. So we have to be a little
careful about assuming there's just one way to do things
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or not, because clearly right now there's a lot of
ways to do things and they all seem to be working.
But as you get toward that twenty twenty sixth election,
and you're gonna have candidates running across the country, it
will be a more focused election. It will be for
control of Congress with the potential to check and balance
Donald Trump. This is a big deal. Those will be
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different races in that regard. And so then people have
to ask, what do we take away from what we've
learned on November fourth, twenty twenty five that might instruct
us in November of twenty twenty six. Well, what you've
learned is this running against Trump works. It's a part
of the equation, not all of it, and you'd be
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foolish to make it.
Speaker 33 (01:47:18):
All of it.
Speaker 19 (01:47:19):
But what really.
Speaker 16 (01:47:21):
Works is combining running against Trump with a commitment to
make things happen on some fundamental issues in people's lives.
Because remember Trump promised to do that and then failed.
So the key to this is you can run against
Donald Trump as a failure on the core issues, right,
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I'm delivering for people. But then the kind of way
to put it over the top is to say, and
I won't fail because a here's what I want to do,
and be here's how I'm going to do it. That's
what Mom Donnie did in New York when he's talking
about free buses, is freising the rent, universal childcare, all
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sorts of other initiatives that they've been discussing. And what
I would emphasize is that you don't have to agree
with Mom Donnie on every issue. You don't have to
embrace every policy position he's taken. You don't even have
to like him, you know, that's not the point, although
I think he is very well liked. What you should do, though,
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is recognized that a bold, energetic campaign that embraces its ideals,
that speaks truth to power in fundamental ways, but also
has a nuanced understanding of how to communicate with people
where they live and who they are. You put these
things together right, and put that with a candidate, whether
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that candidate is running in New York or in Iowa,
or in Wisconsin or in Louisiana, you have a much
greater potential than if you just develop out a cookie
cutter candidate.
Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
Whatever the consultants say, no doubt.
Speaker 15 (01:49:03):
Talking with John Nichols here on the Jeff Santo Show,
the phone number to join us eight three three five
four five five three three three, John, do you do
you think that I don't know the the Bernie Sanders.
We just talked to our good friend Alex Loss and
the Social Security works and you know, again I keep
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bringing up the model that he and Biden put together.
They gave him sixty percent of the popularity.
Speaker 5 (01:49:33):
Of sixty percent, I should say, because.
Speaker 15 (01:49:34):
The Affordable not Affordable Care Act, but the American Rescue
Plan and you know, which provide people with vaccinations people.
You know, we'll get checks. You know, they reduced housing
costs a whole slew of stuff. And you know, my
view here is that there needs to be you know,
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that understanding that we can work for.
Speaker 5 (01:50:00):
Wrestlers with moderates.
Speaker 15 (01:50:00):
We've talked about this one hundred times, but you know,
to me, if if there's any at all understanding. And
I got this thing from Jamie Raskin the other day.
A friend sent it to me. He was with mom Donnie,
and he says, you know, you can call yourself a
democratic socialist or whatever, but really you're an FDR a democrat.
Speaker 5 (01:50:19):
You know. He he's the one that started this all.
Speaker 15 (01:50:22):
And to me, you know, Raskin spot on, he's he's
he's a guy who understands and lives in the belt Way,
you know, all that stuff. But he's a true little progressive.
So he understands this, and how do you communicate that?
And to me, that's that's the way to a winning agenda,
you know, and and and use the progressive moderate coalition
that Bernie built, you know, and it shouldn't be that hard.
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And and if the if the corporate wing stops that,
then you know they're they're basically cutting off their their
you know, their their money belt because the Republican consultants
are going to get it.
Speaker 5 (01:50:56):
Not then so if you look at it, that way right.
Speaker 16 (01:51:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well look, I say, I think you're
summoned up there, and I think this is kind of
where we get to the heart of the matter. We
are at a critical juncture in our politics. Donald Trump
has brought us here. He has created great fears about authoritarianism,
great fears about the future of you know, our economic
lives because he's created such a mess in so many ways,
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great fears about our place in the world. All these
things are factors, and they will influence how candidates line
up and what they do. But we also are at
a point where as I said at the start, there's
some evidence that Democrats are figuring out how to counter Trump,
not merely by criticizing him, but by scoping out real
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visions for how to make lives in our urban areas
and also ultimately in our rural areas more livable for
working class people. That's a very attractive agenda. And so
if you've got that, and if you understand how to
do that, you've got potential win not just in New
York City, but in some redder states, rudder districts. Because
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that's not a radical agenda, that's a practical agenda. And
if Democrats would just understand what it takes practically to
excite people to generate. Uh, not just door knockers and
stuff like that, but you get people in positions where
they're going to come through. That's a big deal.
Speaker 15 (01:52:27):
Yeah, I mean it's not that hard. I mean either,
there are a lot of groups that have done this.
I mean it used to be Acorn and you know,
they worked closely with Obama's people and so forth in
the past.
Speaker 5 (01:52:37):
There's there are a whole number of organizations and.
Speaker 15 (01:52:40):
You know, when you've got federal government workers, you can
you can go to the the afg S and our
friends at sei un Age and we'll have on miss Blackman,
the Federal Director again tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (01:52:50):
You know, you can go and you can you can
tell the stories.
Speaker 15 (01:52:53):
I mean, you know, when you go from you know,
Starbucks and it's overpriced coffee. I'm a duncandonus guy, you know,
you know to two soup lines. That's devastating for somebody
who's a middle class person. And that's what's happening now
for a lot of people who are federal workers. I mean,
you can you know, if you can't articulate that, then
you're you're in the wrong industry, you know, get out
(01:53:16):
and go become an account or something. You know, if
you've got a degree from an Ivy league school. I mean,
you know, let somebody who understands what that means to
somebody will maybe made, you know, sixty seventy grand a
year and now is in a soup line because that
money is gone and you know, they didn't have any
savings and off you go. So you know, this is
what has to be kind of drilled into two candidates running.
Speaker 5 (01:53:40):
And I think that some have realized it.
Speaker 15 (01:53:43):
I mean, it's not surprising that both uh span Burger
and Cheryl both picked up a lot of the progressive
mantle that Mandani was talking about. In the final couple
of weeks, it was more affordability and you were driving
home the contract with the Republicans and Trump, you know,
I mean, you know, so there you go.
Speaker 16 (01:54:07):
No, I thought in the TV ads they often had
a look. The TV ads in both places had for
many many candidates had a lot of anti Trump messaging
because that's a mobilizing message. It has some impact. But
you're right, they also had a focus on you know,
I think there's a way to say this that perhaps
a lot of particularly consultants and pundits don't don't they
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don't like to speak in this language, right, but it is.
It is a language that sort of pushes them aside
and says that what people really want is an authentic
politics coming from to them, from an authentic political figure.
And I think that's what you got with Bamdani. I
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think that's what you've gotten with a number of candidates
around the country.
Speaker 33 (01:54:58):
Now.
Speaker 16 (01:54:58):
I do think that that Cheryl and spaan Barder in
New Jersey and in Pennsylvania ran more traditional, somewhat more
predictable campaigns, but they still had that that criticizing Trump overlay,
especially in New Jersey. That was a big, big, big
part of the messaging.
Speaker 19 (01:55:15):
And they had.
Speaker 16 (01:55:17):
Agendas that, frankly on paper look pretty progressive on a
lot of issues. And it's gonna be very interesting in
Virginia because Cheryl is going to come into power in
a state that has a long pro union tradition and
has strong unions. And I think they were part of
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getting her elected. They're also a part of, you know,
or will be a part of her potential success. Virginia
is a different kind of state, and spam Barger, I
think will emerge as you know, a really important advocate
a on a host of issues like abortion rights, LGBTQ rights,
other others. But because Virginia now has the potential even
(01:56:00):
to redraw some of its congressional districts, she might become
a national figure as regards democracy issues and as regards
to pushback against Trump. And I will tell you one
of those new governors, maybe both are likely to end
up on lists of potential vice presidential candidates. So no
doubt what we're looking at here, people who are exploring
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ways to communicate in this moment succeeding, and if they
keep doing that, and we might end up someplace. Well.
Speaker 15 (01:56:32):
I think also too that you know, certain politicians meet
the moment, others sort of shrink at the moment. And
they look at Gavin Newsom as an example, I mean,
nobody would think that, you know, this guy who who
looks like a model, you know, you know, is sort
of you know, not known for being like in our face.
(01:56:53):
He though, saw the moment and needed someone to defend
his state, to see what was happening in LA when
Trump sent in the ice and sent in his home
and so forth, and you know, he said not on
my watch, We're not going to let this happen.
Speaker 5 (01:57:09):
And he kept going back at.
Speaker 15 (01:57:10):
Him, back at him, back at him, and that to
me opened the door for a lot of moderate Democrats
and progressives as well, of course, you know, and say, look,
we're not going to deal with this, We're not gonna
we're not going to lay down here. Well, fighting back
non violently, peacefully, and that's what happened. And I give
him a lot of credit because of the fact that
he said, no, we're not backing down Mission Trump, You're
(01:57:33):
not intimidating us. And now people look at that and
say wow, and you know, he's at the top of
the list, you know, if not number one, number two,
you know, to be potentially the nominee for the Democrats
in twenty twenty eight. Long way to go, of course,
but to me, that's an example of meeting the moment.
Speaker 5 (01:57:51):
Your view.
Speaker 16 (01:57:53):
Exactly right. Look, Meeting the moment is you know, best
measured by winning. Last night, you had Democrats all over
the country who bet the moment by winning. They succeeded,
and they are folks, but their success weaves into a hole.
And that hole is a message that America, after not
that many months has grown very, very tired of Donald
(01:58:17):
Trump and they're looking for replacements.
Speaker 5 (01:58:21):
A man, you were the best, John Nichols.
Speaker 15 (01:58:24):
I appreciate you, my man, and safe travels back to
the great city of Madison, Wisconsin. I know it's better
weather out there than it is in Madison or here
in Massachusetts.
Speaker 12 (01:58:36):
Right now.
Speaker 5 (01:58:37):
Enjoy all right, Thank you, John.
Speaker 16 (01:58:43):
It is great to talk to your brother. Be strong.
Speaker 15 (01:58:47):
Yes, it's great to talk to you. You, I know,
have a smile. I have a smile too, and we
look forward to it. And one of these days we
want to get you on video to see it up
close and personal. Thank you, my friend. Look forward to
that moment and look forward to our next conversation, probably
next Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (01:59:02):
Thanks man, doctor, brother, definitely brother. Take care. This is
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Now here's Jeff.
Speaker 36 (02:07:02):
Oh yeah, a little cool in the game for you.
We uh good play this for all three hours, because
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it was that kind of night last night for the
Democratic Party and for progressives and populist celebrating, probably still
celebrating up there in New York City with Mandane went
an amazing race, you know, folks, it's uh, it's the
small things that sometimes don't get talked about.
Speaker 5 (02:07:41):
And we're gonna talk to our good friend Larry Korp.
Brian Garvey at a meeting he couldn't get out of,
so he couldn't do it. Today he sends us hello.
Speaker 15 (02:07:49):
We tried also Larry Wilkerson as well, and he couldn't
make it either, And he also sends us hello to
the namesake of our guest, mister Larry Korb, Lawrence Wilkerson,
Lauren so forth. But it's really important because you know,
even though there wasn't, to the best of my knowledge,
any race that was a federal race last night, Governors, mayors,
(02:08:13):
you know, attorney generals and so forth, but they all have,
you know, some kind of understanding of the importance of
foreign policy. And today we're going to talk to our
good friend Larry Korb, once a Republican, not always a Republican,
more independent understands.
Speaker 5 (02:08:29):
Mister Trump's all about. Yeah, it doesn't take it.
Speaker 15 (02:08:33):
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what much
of Trump is doing to this country. But that's why
I think last night is such an important night for
the world. And I was watching in the studio monitor
here the BBC feed, and I really am glad that
I tuned in at this time because you see, he
was watching MSNBC on the feed and they have a
(02:08:54):
Republican Tennessee person coming on.
Speaker 5 (02:08:57):
I think his name is cussed off.
Speaker 15 (02:08:58):
And he though it's he's trying to make you know,
he's trying to make lemonade out of the out of
the lemons. But the lemons that pooping them, and you say, well,
I'm going to try to recruit new candidates and all that.
You know, Look, the fact is is that if you're
stuck with Trump and you're backing Trump, you're gonna end up,
you know, getting.
Speaker 5 (02:09:17):
Stuck in the poop with him.
Speaker 15 (02:09:19):
And that's what's going on when he's at thirty seven
percent approval rating according to the latest polls. So I
want to know from mister Larry Korb of the Center
for American Progress Senior Fellow, and of course the Reagan
Deputy Defense Secretary under Casper Winebagger in the first term
of wine Berger, not Bager Weinberger. And that's of course
(02:09:43):
Larry Korb, and I believe he joins us on the
phone from Washington, d C. Mister Larry, I know you
danced many times the celebration. That's a good song regardless
of what party you're from.
Speaker 5 (02:09:58):
And welcome, my friend. It's just you and me.
Speaker 33 (02:10:01):
Well, I was thrilled for the race because, uh, governor
now Governor Cheryl went to the same high school as
my kids, yea, and my son was My son was
two years behind her. My daughter was two years ahead
of her, and so everybody knew her, but she, uh,
(02:10:29):
you know, stood out even then. And then of course
she went to the Naval Academy, which was very rare
for anybody these days, particularly for a women, and did
the most dangerous thing you could do, which is to
become a pilot. And uh, you know so uh but
you looked at the polls ahead of time. They didn't
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look too good. You know, everybody said, no, that she's
fallen behind. She not called, and man, she just blew
her opponent away.
Speaker 15 (02:10:59):
Exactly, and they couldn't happen to a nicer guy in Ciderelli,
who basically, you know, glued himself to Donald Trump. And
you know, look, I know that the Republican operative who's
just done the BBC news here the Congress from Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (02:11:14):
You seem like a normal guy.
Speaker 15 (02:11:16):
But I mean, look, when you attach yourself, you know,
you know, one hundred to you know, one hundred percent
of the time to whatever Trump wants to do domestically
foreign policy, you know you can you can't get rid
of the stink.
Speaker 5 (02:11:29):
It sticks with you. You know, it's.
Speaker 15 (02:11:31):
Like you unfortunately walked into the manure on the grass
one day, and you know, that's where Republicans are right now.
Now if there are people like Larry Korb and people
who have left David Jolly, the you know, the Republican
Party and said, you know, this is insane with this guy,
and maybe I'll go back, but you know, you know that's.
Speaker 5 (02:11:50):
What it is.
Speaker 15 (02:11:50):
So you know, you can recruit new candidates quote unquote,
everybody says that when they lose all we got to
find new people. Well yeah, but don't blame the old people,
because the old people were with the stench of the
skunk at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue.
Speaker 5 (02:12:05):
So yeah, I think you agree.
Speaker 33 (02:12:08):
With no doubt about it. In fact, I think when
the polls come out, we'll find out that a lot
of people voted for Sheryl and uh, you know, Spangberger
as a message to Trump that they're not happy with
the way that he's doing things. And this was the
only way they could do it, because if you look
at Virginia, even the.
Speaker 37 (02:12:28):
Fellow running for one of the jobs jobs there, attorney
generally on the below ticket, attorney General had made it
the dumbest statement, you.
Speaker 5 (02:12:40):
Know, and he was Yeah.
Speaker 15 (02:12:43):
So it just goes to show you, you know, I mean,
the Trump is all I was on the ballot.
Speaker 5 (02:12:47):
You know you were.
Speaker 15 (02:12:48):
If you were on the ballot, they still would have,
you know, put you thumbs down like you did in
twenty twenty. By the way, it's just a historical fact,
mister Trump. Okay, so let's let's let's get your diplomacy
hat out in the situation room. Not the one with
Will Plitzer the police, but the one, the real one
that you were in in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 5 (02:13:08):
And I think that yesterday's results give people.
Speaker 15 (02:13:17):
Like the Prime Minister in the UK, like the president
in Germany and the president in.
Speaker 5 (02:13:24):
France.
Speaker 15 (02:13:25):
You know, a sense of relief that you know, it's
not an occupied force, a dictatorship. Fully, you know, there's
elements of it right now, and people are fighting back.
They saw that in the seven million people who came
out for the No Kings rally. They they saw it,
(02:13:45):
you know, in the votes last night, you know, from
Mandani in New York City to Newsom's Prop fifty wre
blowout wins.
Speaker 5 (02:13:53):
Same thing with span Berger, same thing with Cheryl. You know,
even this is great.
Speaker 15 (02:14:00):
I was talking to Gary South, our consulted last night.
We're going to play a little bit of the clips
after this interview what we do with Larry, and he
was saying that even Vance's brother lost in the Cincinnati
mayoral race. So you know, I mean, this was a
wipeout of epic proportions. But what I'm more concerned about, Larry,
is how this goes overseas because I think that people say,
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you know, Jnald Trump is not all that, you know,
he he you know, his stuff stinks too, and you know,
and the Democrats finally figured out a way to win
some elections. You know, they didn't do the best in
twenty twenty four. And I'm wondering, you know, I don't
know if you've heard from people on the diplomatic side
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in Europe or in Asia or wherever, but I'm thinking
that you know, they must sense, well, yes, this wasn't
a congressional race, doesn't actually change the majority in the
House and Senate that basically has an oversight ability on Trump,
and you know, in terms of impeaching him, but it
gives the momentum and it now shows that people in America,
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you know, know what the Europeans have known for a
long time that you know, you gotta, you gotta, you've
got a guy who's gotta screw loose. Uh, and you
better be careful because he could, you know, he could
really hurt a lot of us, not just you in America.
Speaker 5 (02:15:23):
Is that what I think you're.
Speaker 15 (02:15:24):
Hearing or you will be hearing as you make your
phone calls over the next several days. Uh, it's the
leaders around the world.
Speaker 33 (02:15:32):
Yeah, I think what they feel now Their basic opinion
is Trump eventually does the right thing, even though he
takes them forever to get there. And you know, the slowness,
like if you to look like his relationship with Putin,
you know, I mean he was talking to him like
he was his big buddy and expecting him to lay
(02:15:53):
down his arms and everything. And then he realizes and
full finally, you know, he has come around a bit
since he you know, that meeting in Alaska. What they're
feeling is that he will do this more rapidly. One
of the things that got their attention right away is
Trump finally got involved in the thing to get the
(02:16:14):
government back on track, because that does worry well, the
wars Americans obviously, but our allies are they're gonna have
enough money for foreign aid? Will they be able to
buy you know, the Tomahawk missiles here? You know, well
what's you know, what's what's going to be? So that
I think, you know, Trump finally today got involved in
(02:16:34):
the talks who reopened the government. And I mean, I
couldn't believe that no president you can argue they should
ever should have voted this way, but no president would
go traveling around the world when his government is closed exactly.
Speaker 5 (02:16:52):
It's insane. But he don't care.
Speaker 15 (02:16:54):
That's the thing I mean, you know, I mean I
disagree that you know, he eventually comes around on some things, yeah,
because he's almost forced to. But you know, the point is, though, Larry,
is that I think that people you know, were looking,
you know, early at the Democratic Party and they were
kind of in a fetal position.
Speaker 5 (02:17:12):
In the first quarter or so. But they have they
have gut spine back.
Speaker 15 (02:17:17):
We saw with Gavin Newsom, you know, after the whole
ice incidents in Los Angeles. Not on my watch, you know,
and I'm I'm going to do it in a non violent,
peaceful way. You've seen it with others too, and again
the the big rallies on top of it, and I
think that that gives them confidence. I know, if I
was a leader in the UK or France or Germany
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or wherever, and I see people, you know, pushing back.
In a democracy, you push back by getting rid of
the bums that are associated with the current occupant in
the White House.
Speaker 5 (02:17:48):
And and I think that's it's a perfect example.
Speaker 15 (02:17:52):
And so you know, we've been talking to a lot
of our friends on the progressive side, John Nichols and others,
and you know, it's so it's been an exciting day
we play that celebration. I know it's not so much
exciting for you, Larry, but that's another story. But what
I'm thinking about is that there there is a scenario
and I think this is important that you know, people
(02:18:16):
around the world, you know, looks just look about friends
in Canada. You know, this was really interesting because I
know you're a baseball fan, you know. I mean the
excitement when the Canadians had their their national anthem song.
I mean, you know, it was one hundred percent full
throttle sort of you know, we're proud of our country
(02:18:38):
and it's it's and there was a middle our team,
yeah exactly, and you know, and the and that to me,
and of course Trump doesn't want either one because you know,
the the Dodgers are made up of a lot of minorities,
African American manager and Mookie Betts is one of their stars,
which is a disaster from the Red Sox perspective letting
them go.
Speaker 5 (02:18:56):
But that's another story for another day.
Speaker 15 (02:18:58):
But the point is is that you know, they have
a lot of Latino and of course all the Asian stars,
oh Tani and and Moto and all that. So he
doesn't want to talk about either one of them, and
they both dislike what he stands for. And I think
that's international thing. That's just on the sports landscape. But
I think that people say, well, you know, you got
(02:19:18):
to stand up to this guy.
Speaker 16 (02:19:20):
You know.
Speaker 15 (02:19:20):
The Canadians are you know, you know, you know, their
their premier governor. Like for people don't understand, you know,
how the Canadian government works.
Speaker 5 (02:19:30):
Premiers a governor Ontario.
Speaker 15 (02:19:32):
You put together an ad you know, talking about what Reagan,
your guy, you know, did back.
Speaker 5 (02:19:38):
In the eighties.
Speaker 15 (02:19:41):
Right, So they just tell them the truth and and
and and our and our current occupant. The psychopath goes
berserk and raises the tariffs on them. I'm like, you know, really,
so this is what we're at. I mean, this is
like sixth grade behavior.
Speaker 5 (02:19:57):
So you know, you.
Speaker 15 (02:19:58):
Stole by uh my faceavorite you know, comic books, So
I'm gonna I'm gonna steal yours.
Speaker 5 (02:20:03):
I'm gonna I'm gonna make it more expensive or something.
I mean, it's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 15 (02:20:08):
And the poor Canadians, I mean, they're you know, I mean,
the majority of Canadians that I've met have been the
most genteel, most congenial people you know, in the world,
and Trump treats them like they're monsters. You know, they're
coming over here you know, like King Kong and Godzilla
got together. I mean, it's so ridiculous and and it
I think it makes them the country look foolish, and
(02:20:31):
and it makes it makes the nation, you know, be embarrassed.
This is the leader, you know, with his McDonald's rappers.
I'm like, you know, it's it's not so I hope.
Speaker 5 (02:20:45):
Well go ahead.
Speaker 33 (02:20:49):
I was gonna say, even before this thing with you know,
the Reagan TV uh uh you've interviewed there. The fact
of the matter is he beaten up on the Canadians
and saying terrible things to their to their leaders before
accusing them of you know, taking advantage of us and
(02:21:09):
you know, and and treat and treating us like second
class citizens. No, there's no doubt about it. In fact,
he was so bad that he got a different guy
elected than the one who was favored, got a more hardliner.
Speaker 12 (02:21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 33 (02:21:25):
So he not only did it, you know, not work,
it caused poor problem for.
Speaker 15 (02:21:33):
I just look at it, Larry, and I think that
you know, I am it's just you know, you have
to sort of because you know, it's so serious, particularly
with nuclear weapons. And when I get to that issue
with you now, because he's playing around like you think
it's well, should I stay or should I go?
Speaker 5 (02:21:52):
You know, it's the great class song.
Speaker 15 (02:21:54):
But I I don't know what I should do, and
and you know, we need to do it becau as
the Chinese are doing it.
Speaker 5 (02:22:02):
Mike.
Speaker 15 (02:22:02):
You know these like you're playing games and people can
get killed.
Speaker 5 (02:22:08):
You could blow up, you know, a country.
Speaker 15 (02:22:11):
I mean, it's it's insane that, you know, it's just
sort of well, you know, I'll see what happens. At
two o'clock in the afternoon. I'll make some decisions here.
If I have the right cup of tea and crumpets,
maybe I'll go one way. If I don't get anything
and I'm annoyed watching the TV, I'll do another thing.
Speaker 16 (02:22:29):
You know.
Speaker 38 (02:22:30):
It's you know, well, let me tell you what he
has done with nuclear weapons is one of the most
dangerous things any president has done.
Speaker 33 (02:22:41):
You know, we have not tested nuclear weapons since the
early nineties. The Russians stopped in nineteen ninety, we stopped
in ninety two, and the Chinese in ninety six. And
he Cavalieri comes out and talks about what We're going
to start testing nuclear weapons. I mean, first of all,
it's impossible you'd have to rebuild the site where you
do it and all that. But I'm telling you, and
(02:23:03):
I've written you know about this. I mean, it got
people all over the world as, oh my god, the
United States is going to be testing again, because I
mean that's a lot different than just developing a weapon,
but to actually have a nuclear explosion.
Speaker 5 (02:23:20):
Yeah, exactly. And I think this, you know, the momentum.
Speaker 15 (02:23:23):
You know, we talked with number three Democrat yesterday, Pete
Augly are fantastic gentlemen, and number three in the leadership
behind of course the King, Jeffries and Catherine Clark from Massachusetts, and.
Speaker 5 (02:23:38):
You know.
Speaker 15 (02:23:40):
They they're going to have people running and I think
the the the win last night, particularly in Prop fifty
because of now Evan's a little bit out after the
whole Texas fiasco with forcing him to do you know,
voter suppression on the people in Texas. Abbot the governor.
Another one that is, you know, shouldn't be allowed to
(02:24:00):
to be governor any longer.
Speaker 5 (02:24:01):
I mean, that's that's pathetic.
Speaker 15 (02:24:03):
But the point is is that you have a situation
where I think you need to stand up to this individual.
And I think Democrats learned yesterday that they have a spine,
they have a message. And I'm hoping that the Democrats
who are running and they have foreign policy, they can
(02:24:25):
come on this show anytime as we look to expand
across the country, you know, to talk about that issue
that you just mentioned, and I would I would advise
them to talk to you personally. I mean you you
know you've advised obviously Reagan, Bernie Sanders, a whole crew.
I mean the importance of this and to just and
have these members of Congress who are candidates for Congress say, look,
(02:24:48):
you know, I've talked to individuals a KAA Larry Korb,
you know, and they're telling me that the people who
are around the globe, you know, are are just you know,
outraged and also you know, completely flabbergaster that this is
the way things are being done. Now we realize that
(02:25:09):
people are going to fight back against this psychopath. But
the point is is that you know, he plays around
with dislike it's a monopoly game.
Speaker 33 (02:25:19):
Well, let me tell you something else that's very dangerous.
All of these ons control agreements that we've had with
the Russians, really going back to the Cuban missile crisis.
The last one expires in February of next year. Okay,
how many months away is that? Why aren't they negotiating
(02:25:39):
to extend that? Because that's the nuclear test ban Treaty Jesus,
and that's it. Once that goes that, we have no
more treaties with Russia. And of course if China joins,
we were hoping that you should get China to join
as they develop nuclear weapons, and it's over. We have
(02:26:00):
nothing else. And you don't see him talking about.
Speaker 39 (02:26:03):
That that he's talk you know, talking about you know,
insignificant things that have nothing to do with national security
or even domestic security.
Speaker 15 (02:26:15):
Well, you know, I mean he don't he doesn't take
it seriously because he doesn't take government seriously. You know,
he thinks he can run it out of his office
in Manhattan, you know that doesn't even have a computer
in it, you know, I mean, you.
Speaker 5 (02:26:27):
Know, it's just this is insane.
Speaker 15 (02:26:30):
You know, just pile up the papers that you know,
let you know, mister Wolf, that's former lawyer, you know,
take care of it, you know, pay her off, pay
this person off, figure it out.
Speaker 5 (02:26:41):
And this is how he is trying to run the
United States.
Speaker 15 (02:26:43):
You know, he probably goes to the Saudi leaders how
much money you gonna give me, I'll you know, I'll
take your side, you know, I mean, you know, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (02:26:51):
Reprehensible and also just bizarre world.
Speaker 15 (02:26:56):
But what I think again coming from last night, is
that I think that people say, all right, you know,
we were concerned about this, this runaway train, but there
are people now stepping in front of that train or
at the very least, you know, telling the conductor you're
not going to move this thing.
Speaker 5 (02:27:14):
And when I get in front of a.
Speaker 33 (02:27:15):
Train, smell.
Speaker 12 (02:27:17):
Well.
Speaker 33 (02:27:17):
You just think that Congress gets a spine and does
something after last night, because until they do something, and
you know, the Republicans shouldn't just support Trump because he's
a Republican and you got to get you know, people
like Schumer. Why is he not getting involved?
Speaker 15 (02:27:37):
Don't get me started there, please. We got to replace Schumer.
We got we gotta replace Schumer. We got to make
sure that King Jeffries and Clark and uh and ugly
are are are more front and center. People like Sanders,
Elizabeth Warren Murphy from Connecticut, Sheldon Whitehouse, is a lot
(02:27:58):
of good Democrats that understand what is at stake here,
you know, and you know some of them I agree
with eighty ninety percent and somebody I don't agree with,
but you know they're But you've got to be able
to stand tall, and you've got to be able to communicate. Larry,
I mean, the guy you worked for was a fantastic communicator.
And you know that's what we saw with my line
(02:28:18):
that we see we knew some you know, I mean,
these guys understand, you know, how to meet the moment.
Speaker 5 (02:28:24):
And you know, again, you know we're both sports fans.
Speaker 15 (02:28:27):
I mean, you know there are some people in politics,
in in in government, and you know like they are
in sports. You know, Game seven, you know, two strikes
and you know, you throw our home run ball to
to roblists, and you know, and the game's tied.
Speaker 5 (02:28:41):
Mister Hoffman get a good first name.
Speaker 15 (02:28:44):
I'm telling you, you know what I mean, short top
of his two o eight and you know, all of
a sudden he's tie in the World Series with the
two outs to go.
Speaker 5 (02:28:52):
I don't know, I must tell you it's.
Speaker 15 (02:28:55):
Extremely frustrating, h to to see people on on on
on my side of the aisle not meet the moment,
and obviously others have done, and you know, and that's
that's a good thing and it's a new generation, and
so forth, Larry, stay with us. We're going to go
to about a quarter oven. We'll we're gonna play an
(02:29:16):
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But we'll be.
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We back next week.
Speaker 15 (02:33:45):
We'll go to about a quarter of the hour with Larry,
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But we have a few more minutes.
Speaker 15 (02:34:13):
You can also add a call or a point perspective
in at eight three three five four five five three
three three. Larry, you know, one of the other areas
that I think is going to be important here is
you know a lot of folks, particularly in Europe that
are concerned about what is happening in the Middle East,
(02:34:36):
and obviously first and foremost Israel, Gaza. You know this
also I think opens the door you're electing your first
Muslim mayor of the great New York where you grew
up and I lived for a few years, largest city
in the country. Obviously has a presence in the world
(02:34:57):
of one of the largest cities, but you know, everyone
knows was New York. And I think that also opens
the door to thinking that, you know, the country has
grown to the point, you know, where you could have
a Muslim mayor who's talking about peace, who's understanding his
role with the large Jewish community in New York and
(02:35:20):
that you know, the importance of protecting them. And again,
the the anti Semitic stuff that has gone on in
the country, you know, horrific stuff in places like Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (02:35:29):
And other places.
Speaker 15 (02:35:31):
And you know, I think that that also, you know,
again points out that America is just not you know,
full of nutcases. And I think that that is you know,
we'll call them, you know, fruits and nuts. And I
think that that also today last night opened up that
(02:35:54):
America is you know, it's it's a melting pot. It's
what you know, the country has grown into, you know,
that statue of liberty. You know that of course, again
where you grew up in the Bronx. You understand, you
know what that means. And a lot of people who
came over, you know, from Ellis Island see it when
(02:36:15):
the first thing they saw in America. So to me,
I just think that that is also another part. And
I want to get your thoughts there, as somebody grew
up in New York City in the Bronx, your thoughts.
Speaker 33 (02:36:29):
Well, I think you hit on a good point. If
you had said fifteen years ago that the United States,
in our larger city, New York, was going to elect
you know, a Muslim, people would have been dumbfounded. And
I think that that shows how far we've come, that
(02:36:51):
where we've and we've changed, because when I grew up,
you didn't have that many Muslims in the city, I mean,
and it was you know, the Jewish people, Irish people,
German people. You know, we didn't really have anybody. I
didn't even know anything about that, you know, we just
never thought about it. And so yeah, I showed we've changed.
(02:37:14):
And the fact that they could do that when you
had you know, I mean Governor Cuomo, he had been
governor of the whole state, so it was not you know,
nobody running against them, and you know, he still got
you know, a lot of the vote, so.
Speaker 5 (02:37:30):
That's right, that's right. Goes to show you.
Speaker 15 (02:37:33):
You know, somebody who talks to two people who are
working class, talks to people on a bus.
Speaker 5 (02:37:39):
You know that the the the.
Speaker 15 (02:37:41):
Poor or or working class folks use every day to
get to work in Manhattan, uh and and throughout the
all the boroughs in New York City, that this is
the only way to do it. And they know that
the bus goes you know, I think two miles an
hour or something. And at the same time, you know
it's probably stench of urine and everything else. So you know,
(02:38:03):
he's talking about these issues. People are are there and
you know, and you can't you can't be phony. And
all of a sudden, you know, you see Andrew Como
trying to make you know, AI videos to be cool
like Mandani. You know it's it's it's so phony, and
you know they could see right through it, you know,
the voters. And of course I was a huge fan
of Mario Coma. I thought he would have been a
great president back in ninety two. But you know, must
(02:38:25):
be really afraid seeing what.
Speaker 5 (02:38:27):
His uh what his son is doing.
Speaker 33 (02:38:29):
But he was a good he was a good friend
of mine.
Speaker 15 (02:38:33):
Was he well, you know, makes a lot of sense.
You know, Mario Como, as you may know, because of
your friendship. You know, I think was playing second base
for the Pirates minor league team or something for a while.
Speaker 5 (02:38:45):
Uh so you know that.
Speaker 33 (02:38:46):
Try Yeah, yes it was Detroit, but that's the hit
out south.
Speaker 5 (02:38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (02:38:56):
Yeah, so you know, I mean, I just I just
think that you know, you have a scenario here, you
know that, you know, the the fresh face that Mandanni
is is a great thing for America. He's not going
to be able to be president because he was born
in Africa, born in Uganda. Uh so, you know, it's
(02:39:17):
but he can play an important role. I mean, you
work for Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 5 (02:39:21):
I mean, he.
Speaker 15 (02:39:21):
Could be the equivalent of Bernie Sanders. Maybe he gets
to be Governor of New York.
Speaker 5 (02:39:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 15 (02:39:25):
But the point is is that it to me is
you don't have to be president to have an impact
on the country. And I think that Mamdani, you know,
if he's if he's smart, and he seems to be
very savvy about how to handle things, a great communicator,
of course, you know, you can go a long way.
And I think that shows that America's diversity. I mean,
(02:39:46):
if anything, New York City is the poster child for
diversity in a city.
Speaker 5 (02:39:52):
I mean, there are so.
Speaker 15 (02:39:53):
Many people from so many different parts of the world,
and that's what I lived there. I mean it was exciting,
you know. I mean they never sleeps two am and
somebody's right behind you on forty ninth and ninth.
Speaker 33 (02:40:06):
Oh yeah, I mean I remember I went into the
Navy in the early sixties and I got my wings
in Corpus Christio. Drive into San Diego to get in
the squadron, and I stopped in this town in Texas.
I have a small town and I walked in and
the guy said, where are you from? And I said
New York. He said, well, that's where you have all
(02:40:27):
the jays and ends, you know, and I good, Heavens,
And you know, I had no idea to like that
because we had a Pensacola Corpus Christie. I mean what
it was like in the sixties, you know, before we
had integration and everything like that. But growing up in
New York, I went to school with African Americans.
Speaker 24 (02:40:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (02:40:51):
No, it's sad to hear that, but you know, I've
heard that Unfortunately, I've heard it in a lot of
places in the Northeast. But the point is is that
you know that that was so so prevalent. I mean, obviously,
you know the Civil War, and you know the integration
in the South, what happened in the sixties prior to
the Civil Rights and the Voting Rights Act. So you're
(02:41:12):
you're right, And again I think that that shows a maturity,
and you know, and the and the American people, the
people around the world respect that, and you know, I
think it's really important that that that continues to be
that shining light. You know, the Statue of Liberty, you know,
(02:41:33):
in the harbor of New York, and you know that
that's what it is. You know, you can't see it
behind me, but I actually had a poster where I
bought from a store I don't know if it's still
there in New York twenty years ago called Paris, and
it's the iconic photograph of the Statue of Liberty in
a in a storage in Paris, you know, one hundred fifty,
(02:41:55):
one hundred and twenty years ago whatever being are more
than that being to the United States in a crate
on a ship, and it's still in the in the crate.
Speaker 5 (02:42:08):
You know, it means something.
Speaker 15 (02:42:10):
And I think that if people understand what it means,
and the Democrats and and if some Republicans want to
do this and stay away from Trump and say, look,
I don't believe in what you believe in, mister Trump.
So you know, sorry, I'm not voting for you next time.
You know, when it comes time for me to raise
my hand to vote for, you know, some of these
(02:42:31):
insane laws, I'm voting with the Democrats. And I think
I think if one or two of the rolls Republicans
do it, they'll be thirty before too long, and they'll
be sixty before too long, and then eventually they'll be
kicked out of the Republican Party and the Democrats will
win big time in November of next year. But I
think it's going to take those heroes, right, you know,
(02:42:52):
I think so, I mean, you know, obviously, you know
he will continue to try to vote suppress and that's
obviously still a big iss you.
Speaker 5 (02:43:00):
But to me, that is really what it's about.
Speaker 15 (02:43:03):
But Larry, it's so great to hear your you know,
your perspectives and and and growing up in New York
and and understanding uh, you know that horror of going
from the most diverse city for a long long time
in this country, in New York.
Speaker 5 (02:43:17):
City to do that. So it is great to hear
from you, my friend. We look forward to hearing from
you next week.
Speaker 15 (02:43:23):
And you know, I think I thank you very much
for spending the time with us today and and talking
and telling us these stories, particularly on on what is
at stake seriously with the nuclear weapons.
Speaker 33 (02:43:35):
Well we had more time, I would tell you my
Dick Cheney stories.
Speaker 5 (02:43:40):
We'll do it next week, promise. Yeah, that's that could
be one.
Speaker 15 (02:43:48):
Of course, the late great uh Dick Cheney passed away
a couple of days ago. I also want to mention,
by the way, I haven't had a chance to SETI Warren,
who was the mayor of Newton, Massachusetts, who passed away
at a very young age, was fifty five years of age.
For those in in Massachusetts and knew him very well.
You know, it's really, really, uh a tragic story and
(02:44:09):
the condolences to his family.
Speaker 5 (02:44:12):
Larry, thank you for spending time with us today.
Speaker 33 (02:44:14):
Okay, take care week.
Speaker 5 (02:44:16):
You see you next week.
Speaker 15 (02:44:18):
We're gonna play folks A A conversation we had last
night with Gary sald who is a fantastic political consultant,
senior advisor to to Gray Davis.
Speaker 5 (02:44:32):
He was in in in UH, you know, in the
grey Davis camp.
Speaker 15 (02:44:37):
That whole thing with Schwarzenegger, you know, came in UH
and the and the and the scandalous energy crisis and
so forth, and and again. This shows what corporate America
will do. But I think that you get an insight
from Gary, who knows California like the back of his hand.
He worked for Grey Davis when he was when he
(02:44:59):
was lieutenant governor, so he's done a lot of statewide races.
So he was with us last night, of course, in
a very joyous night in California as the as they
and the numbers were coming in.
Speaker 5 (02:45:10):
You know, you could see even though the.
Speaker 15 (02:45:12):
Polls hadn't closed yet, but the lines outside in places
like Torrens, California, where MSNBC and CNN were showing these
massive lines. And of course people can vote by my
male in California, so you don't have to go to
the polls. It's not some of those states. So that's
why we wanted to do this. For most of you
didn't have a chance. We're going to try to come
(02:45:32):
back in a minute or so, say goodbye at five
point fifty seven or something. But here is Gary South
from last night on our election special aired in California
on Cumulus KBCKSFO Gary South.
Speaker 5 (02:45:46):
We'll be right back the team there, David.
Speaker 15 (02:45:51):
All right, We're going to go from the great place
of the California Teachers Association to a great mind and
somebody who understands California politics understands the national political landscape
as well. He was the senior advisor to Governor Gray
Davis from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and three
(02:46:11):
and a longtime political consultant, has worked Mini a race.
He is Gary South and he joins us via audio
from Los Angeles. And it's great to have Gary with us. Hey,
it's fantastic man. Big night for the Democrats nationwide.
Speaker 41 (02:46:30):
Hey, Jeff, how are you.
Speaker 5 (02:46:33):
I'm doing well, very excited tonight.
Speaker 41 (02:46:35):
Yeah, well I am too. I must tell you We've
had a couple of you know, lean years here. But
tonight really was a repudiation of Donald Trump across the board,
from the West coast to the East coast, from the
north to the south, and Republicans won nowhere. I mean
(02:46:57):
Democrats won the New York City a mayor ship over
a Trump endorsed candidate, as you know, because ultimately endorsed
Cuomo won the New Jersey governorship over a Trump endorsed candidate.
In Virginia, they they did, they did a they did
the a triple win governorship, lieutenant governorship, attorney generalship. But
(02:47:19):
it didn't stop there because in Pennsylvania, as you know,
all three Democratic h Supreme Court justices were retained. And
even in Georgia, Democrats flipped two statewide public service commissioned seats.
And by the way, to add insult to injury, JD.
Vance's half brother lost lost of Cincinnati. So I mean
(02:47:46):
this was a.
Speaker 5 (02:47:48):
What's wrong?
Speaker 41 (02:47:51):
Well, this was a repudiation not only of Donald Trump
but of JD. Vance. I guess you could say. I mean, obviously,
the votes are not counted yet in California on Prop fifty,
but it's going to win overwhelmingly. You've seen you've seen
the polling along.
Speaker 5 (02:48:05):
All the way.
Speaker 41 (02:48:07):
And I must tell you you know, the no campaign
here was on on Prop fifty was was really a
total fail on several fronts. Just let me dive deep,
do a deep dive on on some of the things
that happened here on the No side that that I
(02:48:28):
think are going to lead to this overwhelming victory tonight.
They the first thing was they obviously couldn't address the
literal elephant in the room, Donald Trump in a state
where he has a twenty nine percent job approval rating,
and when which he lost all three times by margins
of twenty to thirty percent. He was the villain in
this whole thing because this was all prompted by what
(02:48:49):
he what he induced the Texas Republicans to do, and
the No side not only couldn't defend him from the
from the S side's attacks, but couldn't even mention him.
And then second, despite all and this is this has
national political implications in terms of the money factor, because
despite all the braggadocio early on, you remember, Jeff, that
(02:49:13):
booted speaker Kevin McCarthy was promising to raise one hundred
million dollars to.
Speaker 5 (02:49:17):
Fight out I wonder where he's the no fundraising.
Speaker 41 (02:49:21):
Though the no fundraising never really took off, and it
didn't even approach the level of funding that would have
been necessary to make it even a dent in the
power of the Yes arguments, and at some point, well
we'll probably never know the inside story of this, but
at some point, probably early on, the big GOP donors,
(02:49:43):
both here in California and nationally, decided this was a
lost cause. And they sat on their wallets, and even
Trump himself did absolutely nothing to shepherd money to the
No side. So, since you know, on the messaging front,
they couldn't defend Trump, what messaging they did try to
(02:50:04):
muster was to arcane. It was too abstract, it was
too historical to connect with voters. We talked about this
last time on your show. You know, it was basically, oh,
tut tut, you know, don't vote to overturn something the
voters passed fifteen years ago in twenty ten that the
typical voter doesn't remember today, probably never really understood in
(02:50:25):
the first place, in terms of how the Citizen Redistricting
Commission was selected or how the process worked. And in
addition to that, if you're a California person and you
know you followed the elections here over the decades, you know,
our current constitution was adopted in eighteen seventy nine, and
(02:50:45):
since then it's been amended more than five hundred times,
more than five hundred times. So it's not unusual, even
in a typical election year to have two or three
constitutional amendments on the ballot. And so California voters literally
have no hesitation or compunction about amending our state constitution,
so making that one of the bases of their arguments, oh, don't,
(02:51:08):
don't amend the constitution. Constitution is sacred. What was never
going to resonate with.
Speaker 15 (02:51:13):
With with voters, and neither is Arnold Schwarzenegger trying to tell,
you know, the American people, you know, what he's going
on is just trying to steal the constitution. You know, please,
I mean, you know, well, in addition lessons of a
constitution from Schwarzenager, please.
Speaker 41 (02:51:34):
Well, you're right, Jeff. And and in addition to the messaging,
there was the matter of messenger because the S campaign
used not only Governor Newsom, who's terrific on TV, but
President Obama came in, Senator Elizabeth Warren and Democratic superstars
like Alexandria O Cassio Cortez and Jasmin Crockett. Meanwhile, I
(02:51:57):
don't know if you saw any of the no Side spots,
but they mustard are you ready for this? They had
on the air the mayor of your Belinda and so,
and some black preacher from from South la that no
one had ever heard of. And then you mentioned Schwarzenegger.
(02:52:20):
If you saw the spots, they did. And by the way,
interestingly enough, despite the fact that there was this pressure
on the Republican side to get Schwarzenegger more involved in this,
he did cut an ad. He did cut up a
TV ad, but they only ran it for a period
of one week for just a few million bucks. I
think it was five points something million dollars. And if
(02:52:44):
you saw the ad, I mean he looked for all
the world like he's been living in a cave for
a couple of years. So I mean, I have to say,
you know, in all my time in California, having having
run ballot measure campaigns both on the yes and the
no side, this is really one of the most imbalanced
ballot measure campaigns I've ever seen.
Speaker 15 (02:53:06):
Well, it's great, and a lot of people, you know,
we're a big part of it, Gary, and a lot
of friends that you have in the Democratic Party were involved.
But I want to say this, and I think, and
you know, we had on somebody you know very well
Congressman Pete agili Are earlier, and I thanked him as
(02:53:27):
an American citizen, and I thank Gavin Newsom. We hope
to have on soon, you know, for basically saying to
Donald Trump, not on my watch. You know, you know,
you can do all you want, all your bs, but
go to it's not going to take place. And we're
going to basically fight back about what you're doing in
Texas right now when we're going to do it, you know,
(02:53:47):
the way it should be done all around the country.
We'll go back in twenty thirty two and do the
right thing. But the point is is that we got
to fight fire with fire, and he started the fire.
Speaker 5 (02:53:58):
You know.
Speaker 15 (02:53:58):
You know, Massachusetts has this whole thing. You know, we
celebrate every year, you know, Lexington and conquered and the
first shot fired and all this stuff, right, well, Gavin
Newsom fired the first shot and he as as we
see tonight, you know, looking at the at the board
at MSNBC with all the wins in New York and
Virginia and New Jersey and Pennsylvania. I mean that's how
(02:54:21):
it started, you know, So kudos to him and his team,
I know, you know a lot of them well, to me,
this is is really how it began. And you know,
the five seats that the Democrats. You know, if it
wins tonight, which we all think it will overwhelmingly, I
think it's going to have a massive impact on who
wins the House in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 41 (02:54:44):
Your thoughts, well, I agree with you and I the
biggest winner tonight, of course, is Gavin Newsom himself, who,
through his sponsorship of Prop fifty and it's what will
be his easy passage, you know, clearly becomes the most
prominent national face of no doubt, of the Democratic resistance
and you know, going stepping back even before profit major
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Democrat to step out of the box and start giving
Trump a taste.
Speaker 5 (02:55:16):
Of his own medicine.
Speaker 41 (02:55:18):
Yeah, I mean, Trump is a classic narcissist and bully,
and the only thing he recognizes is a punch squarely
in the face. And what Democrats have been doing is
wringing their hands and clutching their pearls and talking about
to happen. He's going to destroy Western civilization. And you know,
for a narcissist, he actually gets off on that. He
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says to himself, oh wow, how powerful and omnipotent I
must be. People are afraid of me. They think I'm
going to bring I'm going to destroy American democracy. So
taunting him and making sport of him, you know that
his massive ego can't take And that's exactly what Newsom did.
And he was the first major national Democrat to step
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out of the box and do that. And thank god,
you know, as a Democrat, thank god that a Democrat
finally figured out how to go after him and has
the courage and skill to do it. And then you know,
on Prop fifty it's going to win big. But this
was not an easy push or an automatic winner. You know,
the path was strewn with potential pitfalls all along the
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way and.
Speaker 5 (02:56:26):
Blind minds everywhere.
Speaker 41 (02:56:28):
Yeah, yeah, it would have been the end of his
presidential quest most likely if he lost it. But you know,
and I told him this actually yesterday too, we texted
back and forth. But the absolutely adroit way that he
posited and positioned and promoted this initiative was was a
master class. Even to those of us who've been around
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a while and have run numerous ballot measure campaigns. It
was a master class in how to power through a
difficult ballot measure where people had all kinds of doubts,
all kinds of questions, how do you how do you
do this in an odd your election when it's the
only thing on the ballot. He really, he really gave
us a lesson in how you pose and promote a
(02:57:12):
ballot measure from start to finish. So I'm just I'm
in awe basically of.
Speaker 5 (02:57:19):
How Yeah, No, I mean it is a masterclass.
Speaker 15 (02:57:21):
You know, we talk a lot about communication and mom,
Donnie is doing that in New York City in his
own way. And I think in the end, you know,
I think coming over the next few days, you're going
to see, you know, two different people. Of course, Mond
Donny can't run for president, but the fact is is
that you get two people who are communicating in different
ways in different parts of America.
Speaker 5 (02:57:40):
And to me, this is a big, big night to
be blue.
Speaker 15 (02:57:44):
You know, we have a photograph of you in a
blue sport coat, and I was telling David Goldberg, the
head of the CTA, know you wore the blue as
well as I am wearing my blue sport coat. And
I get a white with blue stripe shirt on, and
I think this is a big night, and I think
we have an opportunity as Democrats, you know, to win
in I think the House, and I think the Senate is.
Speaker 5 (02:58:06):
Also very viable.
Speaker 15 (02:58:07):
I mean, as you mentioned today, we're doing things in
Georgia and places that we need to win if you
do want to win in North Carolina and the Senate race,
the Cooper race, I think they're all very viable to
do this. Your thoughts, we get about a minute left here.
Speaker 41 (02:58:20):
I do too, And you know, I just saw some data.
I haven't I haven't proofed it, but I just saw
some data that suggests that every single county in Virginia
today shifted blue, even the ones that Earl Sears won,
even the ones the counties that the Republican nominee won,
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all shifted blue. From by the way, a low of
about four point four points from twenty twenty four to
up to sixteen points. Every single county in the state
shifted blue. So it's not just what's happening at the
top of the it's what it's all the way down
happening today, down at the bottom of the ballot, down
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at for the county level and even the precinct law.
Speaker 15 (02:59:07):
Yep, there's no doubt. Gary, So great to have you
on my friend. We look forward to it with great
artam it is my pleasure. That was Gary South.
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