Division Debate: AFC West

The division you have all been waiting for! We talk Chiefs defending the crown, Russ Buss the corn ball and if Jimmy G can keep the Raiders alive.

Episode Transcript

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On today's jet Set, Dynasty Footballis officially back. Hall of Fame game
is back. We're talking division debates, maybe our last division division debate of
the year. We'll see AFC West. This is what you've been waiting for.
This is the best division, thisis the most fantasy relevant players.
It's gonna be great. Are youready? Let's go, let's go,

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let's go. Wait, wait,let's go. Hello everybody, Welcome back

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to jet Set Dynasty Football. I'mBrian Stein, and I'm just so excited.
That's August. It's a bro I'msafe. Oh, I did say
probably it's August first, August first, it's August first. Football is officially
here this month. Kind of we'dbe bawling, straight up bawling. Yeah,
we got the Hall of Fame gameon Thurursday, I don't and then
the rest of us like next week. I think it's like all next Thursdays,

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like like the week zero of theNFL. This is week zero the
NFL. I am very very readyfor it. Even though we're not going
to see anybody of value for theHall of Fame Game, we get to
watch DTR. DTR is gonna playthe We got some rookies we've got dtr
we got Tillman. Okay, you'reright, You're right, there's there's some
good. Uh, there's some ineven Bam Knight. It's a second year

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guy, but right, there's you'reright, there's some guys to watch.
It's gonna be a rookie. I'mforgetting. I think you can hit most
of them. Uh, you cansee maybe Elijah Moore for a couple of
snaps in his new uniform. He'sbeen getting a lot of hype coming out
of Brown's camp so far. That'sgonna be a very interesting thing on who's
going to be the Browns number two. Yeah, I mean I think it
should be off as Donovan People's Jones. I think it should do. But
I think the Elijah More brings adifferent set of skills as opposed to what

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like a Mark Cooper brings. AndI think DPJ is a little not quite
as explosive. But I digress.Yeah, So if you're betting hammer the
Brown's money line, because I thinkthey're gonna win this, better quarterbacks,
better quarterback Zach Wilson's gonna play andthen some guy then turn it over,
Yeah, and then turn over turnedover to garbage man. Yeah, So
a quick programming note, we maynot be able to record next week.

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Big sad. We got work backand forth and JB's going on trips and
it we just we may not beable to do the NFC West. But
spoiler to forty nine er is good. Everybody else bad. Seahawks are nice.
Seahawks are good too. Okay,Seaks are good too. Everybody else.
Yeah, and that's our that's ourdivision debate for NFC West. Let's
see our debate is Seahawks are okay. But we're gonna talk AFC West today.

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Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers, Raiders. This is the money maker,
this is where, this is whatwe're here for. So there hasn't really
been any news, right, I'mtrying to think there's been a couple and
the Joe Burrow ding up we talkedabout a little bit last week. He
seems he's gonna be okay ready forthe season. Knock on wood. We
still haven't had we haven't had likemajor and fantasy. Yeah, if this

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fantasy guys out for the entire season, Yeah, this team is shot.
A couple of defensive guys got dingedup. Who was it? Jalen Ramsey
got hurt. That's yeah, he'sgonna be probably out to like this December,
which is unfortunate for the Dolphins.Yeah, but in an arms race
of that division, you probably can'tafford to lose jail. Yeah, it's
gonna be tough for them, butI'm very Yeah, I wouldn't knock on

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wood. Maybe we have a cleanpreseason. Who knows. I'm a doctor,
but I don't even play one onIt might be better for the Lers.
Why because they're in the AFC.Oh yeah, yeah, one the
Dolphins games in there. Yeah yeah, Yeah, I don't hate that at
all. Uh. Speaking of AFC, let's jump into it. You're defending
Super Bowl champions, the Kansas CityChiefs when fourteen and three last year won

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the Super Bowl? Yippy? Kaya. I don't know. I think I
think what's gonna be exciting here isthat one of these wide receivers is going
to be fantasy relevant. Juju wasnot as relevant as we wanted him too,
but it was more because of injury. Last year. Marcus vatas scan
Scanling was not as good as Ithought he was. Was that on air

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when we talked about that last weekor was that just when I was saying
like, oh MVS was actually goodlast year. Then we looked him up
and he was like not terrible.Yeah that was last week. Yeah I
come back, I was on airor not. But yeah, he wasn't
as good as we thought. Butyou thought as okay as I thought,
Fine, fine, I'll take theI'll take the heat. But there's some
exciting players. Sky Moore's be gettingsome good hype. Kadarius Tony obviously,
as long as you can stay healthy, seems to be like a guy you're

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excited about where she Rice has evengotten some really good hype coming out of
camp, and then even dark HorseJustin Ross. Justin Ross. I did
tweet about Justin Ross. I sawthat. Yeah, I think we're going
to see some Justin Ross this year. If he's fantasy relevant, it will
be a very huge shock to me. Yeah, there's going to be some
plays where we're like, oh mygod, remember Justin Ross. Looking back,

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he was probably like one of likethe biggest like sadnesses my fantasy like
man, like he's like what couldhave been? Like, he's gonna be
basically there. Justin Watson, maybenot in terms being the rightom D threat,
but going to have those splash playswhere we're like, oh, look
at that. Well, it's moreI'm more mean that. Like, before
he got his major injury, hewas a top he was first round,

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like one of the most incredible freshmanseven seasons ever ever, So he was
getting a ton of hype and thenobviously the injury happened that it's just absolutely
terrible. But yeah, it justinRoss who had that game like in the
National Championship against Bama, Like hewas just it was just blowing up stops
receiver or those corners. I couldn'tbelieve it. I was like this guy
and those were I don't know ifit was Patrick Kirtan, but it was

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like that class of guys, likeit was some very good guys that he
wasn't wasn't Bama's defense last year thathe was absolutely just demolishing. And yeah,
so there there are weapons to behad there, it's just is there
gonna be one that is going tobe consistent enough to be startable? So
yeah, let's just run down thelist here. We'll just keep the wide

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receivers here. So right now,who's the projected start like starting three?
Probably Tony if he's healthy, yeah, and then you have MBS is your
deep threat. And then you arebetween the three, you have the option
of sky More, you have uhRashi Rice. Is there another guy I'm
forgetting? I said more Tony Mbsis the deep threat sky More rass,

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I feel like there was. Ifeel like they replaced a small guy.
I feel like they replaced Mikole withsomebody, but I can't remember who.
Regardless, those are, those arethe main guys. I think I'm looking
at depth chart here right now.But I just don't think Tony's ever going
to stay significantly healthy to be thisbig time contributor. It's such a weird
thing. I still really like skyMore, but I don't know if he's

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going to be that big like game. Oh, Richie James, Richie James.
That's that's actually for how silly thatsounds. That is actually who I
was forgetting about. What was RichieJames? Because Riggie James is getting a
lot of hype. Yeah, yeahhe's been. He's actually been filling that
that me cole role a little bit. But yeah, I'm just it's I

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hate, I hate, I hateI hate when people go, oh Clarius
Tony, he just he can't sayhealthy, so he's not gonna be an
option. It's like, I agreewith that sentiment because he has yet to
do it. And he's been inthe league for what two years now three
years? Has he yet to putfour or five games where he's looked like
an absolute and then just not awhole lot after. So, I mean,
and apparently he's a bit of aheadcase. He claps back on people

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on Twitter all the time and they'revery strange. Ill mean, that's so
funny. Maybe he's just you know, three uh, maybe he's like three
spots removed from like Antonio Brown relations. I don't know, but I think
that I would be excited to takea little late swing at Darius Tony this

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year. I really like Rishi Rice. I love him as a rookie,
but I just think that there's justgonna be too many other options out there
to what we kind of saw whatsky More last year, where it's like
Patrick Humps probably doesn't want to trusta rookie, and I can see that
happening again with Rashi Rice this year, just like it did sky Moore last
year. So the question I postedyou is this, you can only have

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one wide receiver on this kans SeeChiefs team this year. Who is it?
I think it's still Tony even ifit take the risk. Yeah,
I'm willing to take the risk.That's probably the biggest upside here, Rashi
Rice. I can see turning intothat Raschi rights probably the most realistic to
turn that Juju Smith Shuster role.We're not seeing a lot of fantasy production,

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but we're seeing some. I can'tremember what he was for the year
that he was heard, but hewas like in the thirties, so I
could see him getting getting to thatsky more. I'm starting to see more
of the gadget player. I hopeI'm wrong, because he is a very
electric player. It's just really hardto get him going, I should say,

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even though he did have that touchdownon the Super Bowl that was sick
and yeah, MVS is just MBS. Yeah you're not. You didn't even
give it. Who's Who's a widereceiver now? Jerry Neely Jerry and looking
I'm looking at that too. Imean, he basically was a wide receiver
and at all miss they just hejust didn't know it yet. It's still
a big whiff on me. Hewas a fun guy to root for,

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but he was always a long shotfor me. I think I'm gonna go
with I agree with you with Tony, but I want to let go a
different way here, And I thinkI'm gonna say it's sky Moore it.
I think sky Moore may have themost touchdowns out of this wide receiver group.
Interesting. I don't know if that'sa hot take, but you talk
about these kind of like goofy gadgetplays that they do and they love to

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run, and that seems to beworse. Sky Moore's is living right now.
I could see them just drawing himup opposite of Kelsey and just getting
that single coverage on like funky zoneplays and him you know, actually falling
into like eight ronounces this year.Maybe that's not super fantasy with all the
maybe it's flex only. But asmuch as I want to be like rich
Gie James, Richie James, I'mrealistically that I'm sure Richie James is gonna

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be the like in four Why it'sRichie James. Has it has to be
him starting off? Right? Oh? I think that, I mean he
may, So let's talk about startingwide receivers. It's also really hard to
go four wide because that means youhave to take out Travis n Right.
But let's say, okay, startingwide receivers, you're sharing three is mvs
vs. Tony, Tony and thenmaybe Richie James ever Scott. I don't
know. Maybe I could see it. It wouldn't be the most surprising thing

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in the world. It's close,but I'm still taking this guy more.
I like the versatility. You wantto call it, gadget, I'll call
a versatility. And obviously touchdown youjust talk about in the Super Bowl,
there's at least some kind of trustthere that was built over that season.
Was that the play that was wrong? Did you hear about that? I
can't remember if it was that oneor the one at time? Remember I
know you're talking about it was likethey called the wrong one. I can't

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remember what happened. Somebody, somebodywas wrong and the play was wrong.
It was either that one or theTony touchdown. But yeah, these wide
receivers are kind of a ship show. This is like, this is as
we're talking about running back by committeeat the time, this is wide receiver
by committee to a t oh,absolutely, this is just miserable. This
is for the best offense in theNFL. Not not looking at these and

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being like there's not a single widereceiver one on this team is mind boggling.
Besides, it's really just Mahomes andI think Lamar Jackson is where you
can't, like actually pay. Youcan't try to stack on your quarterback in
fantasy. That's what you really can't. Yeah, well, yeah, you
have to do Kelsey. You'd haveto do back to back Kelsey going into

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the homes, right, Oh,which might not be the worst racks we
talked about the other day. That'sit's not the worst idea you've ever had.
But so yeah, those are theonly two I can think of that.
You really can't stack the stack thequarterback with your receiver. It's just
a tough one. They just eversince I can't say ever since I got
rid of Tyreek, which has onlybeen a year ago, they dispersed the

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ball so much. Now, yeah, everybody gets theirs, especially Kelsey,
but everybody seems to get theirs.Let's talk about the running backs here,
because this is always a point ofcontention. Pacheco hasn't been playing much in
training camp. I don't know ifit was injuries or what, but they've
been sparing with him so far.Obviously, Jack McKinnon is still there.
You still if Clyd Edwards a layerand then Dinasy Twitter is falling in love

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with this deneric prince. Apparently hedoesn't know how or he doesn't know how
to drop a football like he's justhis great hands come out of the backfield,
which is great. But have youmet Jack McKinnon. Yes, it's
literally better and they got so notI don't want to say lucky, maybe
lucky. I don't know. WithIsaiah Pacheco last year, I mean,
yeah, that's that's we said lastweek. Pacheco is like the reason why

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running backs are't getting paid. Kindof as much as that sucks to say,
but so here's the let's start.Let's stick with Pacheco for a second.
Yeah, do you feel comfortable withPacheco? Is in every week started
for you as like a running backto the Only reason I'm gonna say yes
is because I'm good at fantasy footballand what I mean by that and what

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I mean it's just so funny.I don't know why. You know where
where I'm going here, right?Is that? If so? First of
all, Pacheco is currently going isrunning back twenty nine right now, he's
going just behind Kamaro Javante and DavidMontgomery, just ahead of James Cook,
Antino Gibson, aj Dillon. IfI drafted, if I end up with

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Isaiah Pachecko was my running back toyour team is staff. That means I've
got Travis Kelcey, justin Jefferson,Jamar Chase, like I've got every I
am loaded up, and I'd puntedon RB like I'd probably grabbed, like
it's probably not a bad RB topunt two. Yeah, I start getting
him in a round six, you'reable to get what three wide receivers,
a wide, three wide receivers,a running back, a tight end,

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quarterback, tight end. Yeah.Before then it's like, yeah, I
probably I probably like Snuggs, Like, Okay, I guess I'll take Joe
Mixon is my running back one.And then waited and waited and waited,
and he goes, Okay, it'sPacheco time. I don't think it's a
terrible running back horse. It's mixingand Pocheckow' I don't either, but I
am. Yeah. So the answerfor me is no. But if Joe

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Blow comes off the street and reacheson Pacheco, I'm gonna be like,
what the fuck are you doing?Like, I think he is ranked appropriately.
I don't think that he is overvalued or under valued. I think
if you're getting him as your secondrunning back, that means you should probably
have two top fifteen wide receivers anda running back one on your team,
plus plus a good quarterback or atop tight end. So yes, I

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think that that is a great value. And then you're probably gonna go not
back to back, but you're probablygonna take another running back pretty quickly after.
Yeah, you've tried, and themocks, I've done that, and
especially in the ones where I waitfor Pacheco and round six, I've flipped
around and immediately went for like KhalilHerbert or an Aj Dillon or right yeah,
yeah, right around, right aroundthe turn. So yeah, to
answer the question, yes, Iwould be comfortable with Pichecko is my running

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back too, especially in round six. That's nice. Nice you get that
round six, you can get peoplelike Dave Montgomery, who I think is
a pretty solid low end running backtoo. For you. You can get
someone you could take the risk on, someone like Kamar or Jamonte Williams.
So I like Pachecos there are hejust runs so aggressive and it seems to
work and he's so quick and theline has some changes, but it's still

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not a bad line. I dolike Pacheco this year. I don't think
he's gonna light the world on fire. But six round, man, you
can't complain with that. You're gettinga starting running back on a league team
for a round six value. Yeah, I agree, I think that.
Yeah, just what you said,and it really obviously he's gonna He's not

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gonna be a snap leader because you'regonna get German kind of touches here,
but there's really nobody else. I'mnot worried about anybody taking goal line touches.
I'm not worried about Clyde would Hilariccoming in for goal line to Derek
Prince or I guess the Michael Parinis on those team still apparently. But
let's go. Yeah, I thinkthat, you know, in terms of
the running game, he's gonna havethem by far the most rushing touchdowns on

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the team. It just makes aton of sense to me. I love
Pichecka where he's at, absolutely do. So let's go to Jerick McKinnon.
Do we think Jerck McKinnon is goingto be the flex player that he was
last year because he went on anabsurd touchdown run, like scoring a passing
touch or receiving touchdown I should say, like every week for like seven weeks

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straight, and like still even whenit I broke, he still got like
three or four more after. Yeah, and he hit a couple of two
season there as well. So hefinished his running back twenty last year in
PPR leagues, which is actually crazyhigh. He was damniel league winning.
He was Oh yeah, he wascarrying teams through the playoff. I mean
he had two touchdowns in Week seventeen. I mean that's if he made it

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to the championship. You have probablyone because of Jered McKinnon's twenty two points.
But yeah, I think that I'ma big fan of McKinnon. I
think that they I think both thesebacks have value. The one thing I'll
say is that so according to Fantasypros right now, McKinnon is not He's
running back forty two Pacheco's twenty nine. I don't know where that stands in

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terms of draft value, but that'sprobably a five to ten I'm seeing one
seventeen, so that puts you closeto round ten, eleven, twelve,
yeah, round nine, round ten. Yeah. So yeah, I love
him there, especially when you're lookingat the guys around him, like some
j P runs ahead of him,Jamal Williams Charbonnet, who was hurt.

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I guess that that is the oneinjuries that are coming up as those freaking
Seahawks running backs are both banged up. Katie Macintosh is right now getting all
the reps. Yeah, which isscary. Yeah, I love him there
because the rest of these guys,you know, he's in the backup tier,
but he's not really a backup andI love that for him. So
yeah, hammer him at at atrunning back forty. Now here's the real

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question. Would you ever take both? Would you take Pechecko McKinnon on the
same team. No, that's waytoo messy. Yeah, it is a
little bit feels dirty. But Isee a world where I'm looking I go,
oh, man, McKinnon's still there. Oh crap, I took Pacheco.
What if one you could just Icould talk myself into it being a
handcuff situation where it's like, okay, one of them gets hurt slam and

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the other one other ones an autostart every week. Why don't you just
pick up Clyde Awards Lair in thelast round. I want to do that.
I want good players on my team, Joshi, that's a rough one.
Good players. Okay, So let'sgo on to we're basically walking backwards
and leading up to the quarterbacks.So let's talk about Kelsey, even talk
about Oh okay, Okay, yeah, okay, yes, let's talk about
Kelsey. So let's just play thisgame. I'm just gonna basically list off

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adp here and you're gonna tell mewhere you take Kelsey. Okay, Justin,
Jefferson, Kels, Sorry, Jefferson, Christian McCaffrey, McCaffrey, El
Eckler, Jamar Chase, Jamar Chase, Cooper, Cup pass, Come on,
you can't pass Kelsey. Okay,Tyree Hill, Tyreek, Bijon Kelsey,

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take one, oh Kelsey. Okay, So basically you're saying take you'll
take Kelsey basically front half of thedraft six. Basically, yeah, you're
at six. The only one youdidn't have was you basically swapped Cup and
Tyreek on the franking. Yeah,which I think is not bad. A
lot of drafts I consider that alot is would I take Tyreek over Cooper

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Cup? I think I would.I think I would too, especially in
a redraft league. I'm very scaredof Cooper Cup, and I'm not super
scared, but Tyreek is still Tyreek. I'm a little scared of that of
that entire RAMS team, if we'rebeing totally honest, I don't know if
I can trust anybody on that team. Yeah, I Kelsey's If you have
Kelsey, there's like an eighty chancealmost just on draft that you'll make the

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playoffs. It just seems to worklike that. Yes, It's something I
don't have math or science behind.Is just I've played fantasy for a long
time. A lot of teams thatI I see in the finals have Travis
Kelcey in it. Yeah. Well, and it's something that like we talked
about all the time where it's like, you have to start one. Why
would you not want to start thebest one? There's just such a small

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margin for error with these guys,and you've got to start one. And
if you don't have a top threeone, you basically have a dud.
You have a wasted position. Somake sure you take advantage of every slot
you have to start. And that'smy rent for the day. And then
we got yeah, Patty Mahomes,I mean, what what else do we
need to say about him? Isthere an is there another sport where there

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is far and away like number oneplayer? Okay, yeah, that was
the first. That was the onlyone that I can think of, even
in the basketball, even a considerLebron the Goat. You can have your
debate whatsoever. Yeah, but there'she's there's a lot of argument that he's
not the best player right now asAugust first, the best player. I

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mean, I honestly don't even knowwho the best player in the NBA.
That's what I'm saying, an argumentfor basically anybody. Yeah, johannest Tatum.
Yeah, there's there's three to fiveguys that even in hockey, McDavid
is truly above everybody else. Butthere are people right there very fipp good
right there. So yeah, andI guess you could say the same of
Ma Homes because Mahomes isn't a tierand then there's like Alan Burrow, right

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yeah, but the problem is it'sthe postseason success, yes, there that
just like it's a no dabter,absolutely no, no, dab. Yeah's
probably the only one with a biggergap in front of behind him. And
that's even such an odd thing becauseit's like he's a unicorns, he's a
quarterback and in a pass. Yeah, that's it's truly like that. If
Showy's equivalent if you played quarterback foryour team and then on defense you went

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and played corner right, Yeah,you're basically it basically like a high and
you didn't get tired ever. Ever, even there's a fire, there's a
there's that man three no hitter andthen played the next day batting and then
hit two hume runs. No,it was the So it was a one
hitter. Oh yeah it was.And it was the same day. Oh
oh yeah, it was a header. It was a double header. So

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this man went through a one hitterand then turned around hit two home runs.
Okay, so let's jump back toMahomes second round eighty, second round
redraft. I always struggle, wewant to play this game. Do you
want to just start less than offsecond rounders? Because so I always struggle
with drafting quarterbacks that high. Ijust I feel like you handicapped yourself just

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because so let's look it up rightnow, I'm gonna look at the quarterback
rankings from last year. So welook at quarterbacks we go to season,
not free agents everybody. So PatrickMahomes had three hundred and fifty eight Fantasy
points last year, Josh Allen hadthree fifty eight point difference, Jalen Hurts

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had three forty four. It's anothersix points, twelve points total. Lamar
Jackson three thirty six. Like thesethey're so close, they are just incredibly
incredibly close. I'm not looking atActually it might be projections. It's twenty
twenty three this year, Yes itis. I lied still three scratch that.

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I'm not deleting that. You guys, q fuck you guys. Uh.
Last year Josh Allen QB one,three seventy four. Lea watch Jackson
three sixty seven. Same thing standsJalen Hurts three sixty three. So from
first from QB one to QB threeis eleven points, like justin Fields three
sixty one, two points under thatMy home's three fifty six, Like yeah,

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just there's not to me, there'snot enough of that because I could
have gotten Hurts in the fourth roundof the fifth round last year, like
probably even later. I could likeLamark's might have injured Justin Fields finished QB
four, I could have got himin you know, you know, off
my waiver wire, Like there's justtoo much of it going on to to
actually validate any of that. SoI think there is a cutoff point in

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the second round. If it's ifI'm like picking one to one and then
I get the three oh one inMahomes or even Josh Allen he's still there.
I'm like, hit it, hitit, hit it, like press
the button, press the button.Yeah, but even there, like I
can't, I can't. If weplay the game, I couldn't see doing
over a Jack Brown or Nick Chubbor Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs or a
Monro Saint Brown. But there isa little line behind there where we're talking

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Garrett Wilson, we're talking Tony Pollard, talking Jalen Waddle there. Yeah,
there, I'm starting to think aboutit. But after that, I think
Josh Jacobs is probably the last lastrunning back where I'm like, this guy's
I want this, dude. Thiswould be a perfect running back one even
though I think you can get runningback one down in the round three.

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Yeah, but Josh Jacob is stilllike this guy could be a running back
one, yeah, but without adoubt, yeah, like a true like
overall running back one. I agree. All Right, we're twenty four minutes
and we've only talked about one team. All right, let's talk about predictions.
What do we got predictions? Uh, fourteen and three, last year
thirteen and four. This year thirteenfour, and I think the Broncos sneak

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one more in on him. Maybe, I don't know. I'm gonna say
I don't think you can't get betterthan fourteen. I'm not sure if they
do. They had a crazy lossof the Colts last year, like I'm
gonna I'm gonna say they'll repeat offourteen three. I want to say they
win another game this year. Butjust the way they play is it's tough

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because there are games where I don'twant to call them luck. But Mahomes
does play a way where it doesget put the ball gets put in a
risky position, yeah, and itdoes seem to go his way more times
than not. There are just gameswhere that point isn't gonna flip your way
every time. So I think somost people call that skill, but it

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is still understand what you're saying,like you look at some of those,
which is hard to imagine the Chiefswould be like a seventeen and oteen because
they do take a lot of risk, and that's that would be a lot
of risk that go right to golike seventeen and yeah, yeah, it's
it's red hitting on the roulette likethirty times in seventeen times in a row.
So all right, them's the Chiefs. All right. Next up,

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we have we said every year thebest team on paper, the Los Angeles
Chargers. I think this is finallythe time. I think this is finally
the time. I'm not saying they'regoing to the super Bowl. I'm not
saying they're winning the division. WhatI am saying is I think this is

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one of the most unlucky teams inthe world. Think unbelievably lucky. I
think this again, we talked aboutthat coin flip in one direction, It's
got to flip the other way atsome point, and I feel it's got
to be this year. Yeah,that that roulette goes seventeen straight red for
Kansas City and it just goes blackfor the Chargers every time. Also,
I've officially think I've gotten to thepoint now where the Los Angeles Chargers is

(26:55):
no longer like a brain fart inmy brain, Like I no longer think
of San Diego anymore. So itonly took what five years? Six years?
Glad that that's glad we got strongbrains here. Yeah, I mean
the Chargers are just like you said, it's just so frustrating for them.
Or like I still put a littleblame on the coach, I'm not.
I'm still not super crazy about BrandonStateley. Yeah, I think Brandon Steley
is probably one of them. Ithink if he if they fuck up again

(27:17):
this year, I think even ifthey make the playoffs and fumbled away like
they did last year, I thinkhe's gone. I think that. Yeah,
I don't know what it is abouthis style of coaching that just is
bad luck. But yeah, Ithink there's a lot of there's a good
chunk where that goes on that.But when we look at these look at
this roster, I mean top tobottom, I mean Keenan and Mike Williams,

(27:38):
two of the best receivers in theleague. You've they drafted Quentin Johnson,
who apparently had a little bit ofstruggles coming out of camp. But
I don't know. I'm seeing alot of clips where he's looking crazy.
Oh really, you've seen a lotof like, oh, he said three
drops today and you know he wasgonna have drops. I know, but
it makes me feel vindicated. Butwhat I am seeing is a lot of
catches that aren't basket catches. Really, That's what I'm seeing a lot in

(28:00):
camp. And that's where I'm like, Okay, Quinn, alright, Like
okay, let's see, let's seewe're already showing improvement. Yeah, I
mean, this could end up beingif everybody does what they're supposed to,
nobody stays healthy, which is hardto say for both Keenan Allen and like
Williams. You could potentially be talkingabout the best wide receiver cor in the
NFL. Here. Yeah, Imean, obviously you have a J.

(28:22):
Brown DeVonta Smith is like the topduo. But if Quintin Johnson Eve ends
up being you know, serviceable,I don't don't know if there's three better
wide receivers out there. You haveTyreek into the waddle, but I'd argue
probably Chase te Higgins and Tie Boyd'sstill yeah, but it's close. Its
close, And then this is allbased off of Quinn Johnson materializing to what

(28:45):
they expect him to be. TheEquler stuff is kind of just strange to
me. Still, I still don'tlove it. Obviously, you know,
he wants his money's according zoom calls. I mean, I wish they would
just pay him and move on andbe done with it. But he's still
He's still a top ten pick inany fantasy draft, top five picking it.

(29:07):
Yeah, really, I mean there'snobody there. The Isaia Spiller picks
still baffles me from last year,Like, well, they always take running
backs. But that was high.It wasn't the second round. Maybe it
was the third round, fourth round, was it? I thought it was
higher than that. We just hadIsaiah Spiller so much high. Well,
yeah, some people had Isaiah Spillervery high. Larry round Tree Stiller,
he's the best, he's the bestguy. Yeah. I mean, Eckler

(29:30):
hands down, you know, topfive of his position, Herbert top three
at his position. I'm honestly,I'm starting to cool a little bit on
Keenan Allen. I think that he'sjust kind of struggled. Let's see where
he finished last year. I knowhe gets him in juries last year didn't
he I mean, gosh, likehe never had that before. But that
was like a three year stretch oflike a very clean seventeen game run.

(29:53):
Yeah, I mean he couldn't getup his own way for a while,
but he finally managed to do it. Why can't because I'm looking at quarterbacks
dummy way to go? Yeah,he's I'm just want I feel like he's
been around. He's thirty one.That's always scary. Oh, he didn't
play it at all last year.He missed the first he played in week
one, then got hurt, missedweeks two to six, and then missed

(30:15):
two more after the bye. Yeah, and he's played He played sixteen games
in twenty twenty one. Yeah,nice little stretch from seventeen to eighteen.
And those are so four out ofhis four years since twenty thirteen, he's
played in sixteen games. That's notgood. So here, but here's my
thing. I'm still willing to pullthat trigger at he's wide receiver eighteen like

(30:38):
with a fourth round value. Yeah, I'm hitting that every time, every
time, every time. So let'slook at the Let's look at some wide
receivers around him that I would probablywant more. I don't know I think
you're going to find a couple ofhard ones. I'll just run it.
I'll run it right here, Sogo ahead. So after like, let's
say, here's the guys going aroundthe same round. I should say,

(31:02):
yeah, Deebo Samuel, Keenan Allen. I was gonna say, not officially,
no more running. I'm he's notgonna no more run. But we're
never getting back to that twenty onefor sure. All right after that,
Mark Cooper Cooper, I still ratherhave Allen, Okay, Alvin Ridley,

(31:23):
Oh man, I think Ridley,I still go Keenan's close. Terry mclauren,
who quarterback makes me say Keenan Allen, DeAndre Hopkins, DeAndre Hopkins.
Yeah, that's basically maybe. Somaybe it's just like those are all close.
There were none that I was like, hands down, this is this

(31:45):
is, without a doubt, notKeenan Allen. But I'm just very there's
there's always I've just always been scaredof Keenan Allen. I just injuries,
whatever it is. I bet onKeenan Allen every year, every single year,
as soon as that name comes upin like draft, in it.
I mean, he is one ofthe best, Like possession style receivers in

(32:07):
the game. Thirty one scares mea little bit. I don't know when
he's gonna be thirty two, butthirty one into the season at this point
and that's not great. But Imean he's still clearly can have the production.
And I will say the one thingthat really goes to his benefit right
now is that when you look atq J and Mike Williams, they play

(32:28):
the wide receiver position in a muchdifferent way than Keenan Allen does, which
allows him to be I think alittle more easily targeted, allows him to
have some more space to do things. He just lives in the different part
of the field than they do,so I think that in the scheme helps
play it up. So now here'sa dumb question. Ready for my dumb
question. Yes, do you thinkthat just A Hope's gonna stink because he

(32:49):
got paid? No? Because Ithink that might happen. I doubt it.
I mean, realistically, I'm nottotally serious, but there's always that,
like they get paid and then theystopped playing. It's not really with
quarterback play as much. But no, I don't think so because he's still
probably hungry, because yeah, hestill hasn't gotten that playoff success. He

(33:10):
knows he's with a good team,he knows he's a top quarterback, and
just doesn't have the resume built.So I still think he's hungry enough for
he's gonna be still slinging it.And I just like everybody at their value
right now on this team. ManLike fourth round Keenan Allen, you can
get Herbert around that fourth round,fifth round turn. I love that you

(33:32):
can get Mike Williams in the sixthround. I've actually done that in a
couple of monks where I've gotten Herbertand the fourth or fifth and then Dunton.
That's my stack is getting Michael Williamsis my slock or my flex guy
in round six. Yeah, Ilike that a lot. This team just
seems it's like it's gonna eat forfantasy like it does every year, and

(33:52):
I have no problem taking any ofthem. Yeah, I very much agree.
Yeah, So those are the maintwo. I'm still I'm getting more
hopeful for Quentin Johnston, but I'mstill no matter what we say on this
podcast about Quentin Johnston, we're notgoing his heart on. Quentin Johnson is

(34:12):
like player profile they are we havea normal brain. Yeah, we have.
We thought we were hard on QuentinJohnston. They're on a full smear
campaign for my boy, and Ithink it's started that is causing me to
like him a little bit more becauseI'm like, he doesn't deserve all of
this. Yeah, yeah, youjust wait. So they're telling me that
they have incredibly hyperbolic takes over playerprofiles. I'm not sure. Maybe I

(34:34):
don't know Jim, I don't know. I don't know Matt Kelly, but
so Austin Neckler. We don't havereally much to say, Like, besides
Christian McCaffrey, he is the obviousprediction to be the running back one this
year. He's still going to befed in the system. And now he

(34:55):
seemed happy at least for the year. Yeah, for the time being.
And Herbert is probably the best valueyou can get a quarterback right now.
You'll be able to get him likeround four to five. The main guy's
already gone. I think him andLawrence are probably the best two values at
quarterback this year going around that fifthround. Yeah, I think when you
look at Herbert in terms of thesetop guys, like you said, I

(35:16):
agree, his value is there.I mean, although he there got surprise
that he finished QB eleven last year, that seems low for him, but
adding more weapons keynow. Maybe stayinghealthy. Yeah, I'm I'm willing to
put that on the head of hisreceivers. Not staying healthy all season.

(35:36):
Yeah, I'm willing to put that. That's true. I keep giving Michael
Williams a pass when Michael Wims isalways a I'm sure he missed almost his
equal amount of games last year too. Yeah, we had a lot of
what was the tight end? Godnot guying. No, it's not the
tight end is Oh, come on, fine, I'll look it up.

(35:57):
I'm so mad. I'm not gettingit. Jerald evert okay, we'll call
the time. I was so mad. I wasn't getting them, like I
know exactly. I have to seea stupid face. You were seven.
I know that for a were seven. If you would have said that,
I would have got a quick Yeah. I mean, that's probably what it
is. That the lack of healthat the water super position last year hampered

(36:19):
him, which is great for thisyear. You can go up, well,
you could go down, but youshouldn't not when you get paid and
then we have Jerald Everett while we'reon the side. Yeah, speaking of
he's not going super high. Yeah, he's probably one of my favorite tight
ends for your second tight end becausewhat if, because there are times where
Joe Everet will look like the tightend we all like, we all know,

(36:40):
and he will look crazy, butthat offense doesn't seem to just feature
him enough for him to be fantasyrelevant. Yeah, but if it's just
for some reason that decides to change, Yeah, it's funny. He's kind
of a Last year least, hewas almost like the backup to Mike Williams.
Like if he's making downfield plays liketough catches in the middle of the
field, you know, bought guysout. Yes, and that was great

(37:02):
when Mike Williams wasn't there. ButMike Williams probably does a little better.
All Right, You want to giveme a prediction. If I think they
stay healthy, I'm gonna go.So they went ten and seven last year.
I give him the extra game withthe health, eleven and six.
I wanted to say twelve. Thatseems like a lot. Yeah, I
kind of wanted to say thirteen,thirteen. I don't know. I'm don't

(37:25):
think I'm getting spicy. Uh yeah, let's let's it's gonna come down to
like weekids. I don't when theseguys play, what's gonna come down to
Week eighteen? I'm gonna say thisis a thirteen and four football. You're
having them tie with the Chiefs?Yes? Oh wow, I don't know
why. Wow. I cooked dinnertoday. I'm spicy. Look at you,
mashed potatus. Never mind, allright, I guess we're talking about

(37:50):
the Raiders next. They were Theywere third six and eleven last year.
This is going to be a verydifferent looking Raiders team. At the helm
of Jimmy G. DeVante is stillthere, even though there's like random weird
trade rumors around him going to what'sit called to New York. But I
don't think it's actually really gonna evercome to Fruition. Can I give you

(38:13):
my tin hat theory? Please?I love you ten hat theories. Aaron
Rodgers took that big pay cut justin case they make I mean, that's
not the bit, that's not theworst, just in case. Because I
read that and I was like,oh, DeVante ad, I'm like,
they didn't. Aaron Rodgers didn't takea thirty five million dollars pay cut,
he moved money around restructured. Yeah, no, he actually said I don't

(38:37):
need this money. Like yeah,I'm like, oh wow, Like this
isn't Aaron Rodgers. I know,it's very, very, very different.
So that's my big tin app theoryis if he becomes available at some point
of the season, they want tomake sure they have money to go get
him, which would be crazy,That would be wild. If believe with
Garrett Wilson, I would accuse myndGod, like the drugs are resumable.

(39:00):
I don't know what to say,Like, yeah, so obviously, obviously
DeVante is still here. Jacobe Meyers. They brought him from the from the
Patriots, and which is I thinka decent number two even though he's like
never kind of a touchdown passing hisfreaking life. But he's a good receiver.
He yeah, great receiver, greatnumber two receiver. I think that
he'll fit in. He'll do whateverHunter Renford did, but way way,

(39:22):
way better. Renford goes back toexclusively in the slot, which is probably
best for him, which I thinkwill be a more fruitful position now that
Darren Waller is out of the picture. I think that Waller kind of screwed
him over a little bit there.Obviously, Renford was injured a lot last
year. But right now the tightends are Obviously they drafted Michael Mayer and

(39:44):
they signed Austin Hooper from Tennessee.Would love to see Michael Mayer make an
impact year one. I am notholding my breath for that. No,
we love Michael Mayer, but loveMichael, love love Michael Mayer. But
we can't. We can't put superstock into rookie tight ends, especially ones

(40:05):
where they don't feature the tight enda whole lot. Wow, you can't
say that with Darren Waller being there. But he's not Darren Waller. I
don't know. He's not there Waller, not yet. Anyways, let me
ask you one question. Okay,I love questions. Maybe I have answers.
Does Jimmy g handcuff this team enough, particularly DeVante Adams, that we

(40:28):
maybe see a step back from hisexpected production? I don't think so.
Didn't DeVante just have his career yearwith Derek Carr who they were star crossed
lovers from college. Though they hada you know, they had a we've
got a relationship. He did finishand I mean finished wider Super three in
PPR last year. No, Idon't think. I don't think we're getting

(40:52):
the reduction, the reduction for DeVantebecause again we said it all season,
Jimmy Derek cards Jimmy G is apretty loud will move. It's not a
significant downgrade. You're right, AndJimmy G's a smart enough man to be
like, oh, we need topepper this guy with targets. Counterpoint,
what if Jimmy G gets hurt andthen as Brian Horder thrown him the ball

(41:13):
and they're trading him to the Jets. There, okay, there, we
got full circle. Put the tinfoilheadway, it's getting spiced, and we
put you in a microwave. Thisis that is That is probably the right
answer. Yeah, I think you'reright. I think that it's a it
is a lateral move. I'm alsoI am just right now in terms of
the Jimmy G hype, not thatthere's any any hype to be had,

(41:34):
but I feel like we haven't seenJimmy G play since like the Super Bowl.
Fair fair. That's what scares me, is like, that's I'm sure
I think he played games or something, but he did last year. He
played song games last year before theparty express, Yes, before the party
express. I'm just I'm scared.I don't know if I trust any Jimmy

(42:00):
you obviously I don't want him infantasy. It doesn't scare me off for
drafting Davonte Adams, Okay, doesit not. It's hard to say scare
you off from joshing Jacoby Myers,but oh yeah, it doesn't make you
think twice of drafting Jacoby Myers.Where is he going at? It's all
about the ADP, all about theADP. Yeah, you know me,
Jock Koby is going forty nine,right behind Kadarius Tony, right behind Quinton

(42:23):
Johnston, right behind Michael Thomas,right behind the latch More. Yeah,
maybe Zay Flowers, Nico Collins,Rondel Moore, Lazard, Mooney, skuy
More, Jameis Williams behind it.It just goes far to say the only
the only like I want josh Jacobs, I want Davonte Adams, and I
want nothing to do with the Raidersbesides that agreed which, speaking of josh

(42:45):
Aa Gibbs, looks like the apparentlythey've reopened talks today, but I actually
didn't know that. That's actually verynice to hear. Yes, they apparently
have come back to the table.The goal is to keep josh A.
Gibbs around for a little bit longer. I don't know what that means,
but I'm sure he's gonna have totake like the sake one Austin Neckler.
We're gonna, yeah, give youa little raise on top, which is
better than what you're making now,just to let's shut this up and play

(43:07):
football. I think they give him. I think his big thing is he
wants like multi years, so Ithink that they're sure he does. They
probably want to give him like twoor three years. Maybe the fact that
Josh Jacob is still like what twentyfour, so yeah, he's still incredibly
young. Yeah, something silly.He's the one guy at all these like
running backs, I mean, sayque two but like he could get a
bag, Like he could still geta bag somewhere. Yea, I don't

(43:28):
know what the bag is gonna be. It's not gonna be the franchise tag.
But if you take a million ortwo less for three years of stability,
maybe that's worth it. Maybe maybemaybe, But yeah, I mean
Josh Jacobs here is great. I'msuper excited to see what he can do
with another year. Nobody else behindhim other than Semere White, So you
know, I'm it's all hands willgo. Josh Jacobs in the moon.

(43:52):
Yeah, Josh Jacob is in thatcategory of the second round turn, that
of running backs that I'm gonna lovegetting them for the value that they are.
With Derrick Henry and Nick Chubbed andhim, We'll just go because he
was running back one of PPR lastyear, running back three in PPR.
Sorry, running back one standard,but yeah, I mean, hell value,

(44:14):
absolutely awesome, awesome value. Man, look at some of these games
last year. Holy shit, hewould go in insane last year, dude,
insane thirty four, thirty, thirtysix, eleven, twenty two,
nineteen forty eight, twenty nineteen.I mean, I regret all the days
right pushed that Damien Harris should bewas the better running back than Josh Jacobs.

(44:34):
That was a long time ago.It was a long time but you
could not bring that up ever again, and nobody would remember. That's one
of those the terrible running back classyou take. You take that take to
your grave and leave it there.That was such a bad running back class
too. That was like him andHenderson and oh yeah, that was a
rough years. Oh man, allright, I don't We talked about tight

(44:57):
ends a little bit. We talkedabout all these guys. You sum this
up correctly. I want to Vante, I want Josh Acobs, and then
I want nothing to do with theRaiders exactly. The defense isn't even good
either, pay the secondary is atrocious, atrocious. Marcus Peters is there.
I didn't know that. Yeah,I actually think that was a recent move.

(45:20):
I'm literally looking at all these guys. It's like, Okay, I
know Max Crosby, he good.And then it's Jerry Tillery, who is
he good? No, he wasthe Notre Dame though he did go to
No Dame, so he's good.And then Channel Jones, who's fifty yea.
They have Robert Spillane. Let's goold Pittifurgh Steelers middle linebacker, Old
Thudding dud. I actually remember hegot signed early in He was like one

(45:42):
of the first like like signs comeout of there, like two year deals
for Spillane. Really, Marcus Eppsnot good? Yeah? Who yeah,
gah, there's some not good,not good names. All right, let's
let's let's get out of the basementhere. Give me a they went what
I say, six and eleven lastyear, better or worse? They're worse,
But I'm wondering how bad worse?What did I get. I'm looking

(46:08):
at my other ones like they're notgonna be like the worst teams down that
I've made predictions for so far.They're not gonna be the Falcons bad.
They're not gonna be the Texans levelbad. They could be Commander. I
have like a couple six and eleventeams here. Give me. I'm gonna

(46:28):
I'm gonna go Commander's bad. It'sfive and twelve. When you say five
and twelve, I say, oh, I say three and fourteen. Wow,
you're gonna lose. That'd be prettyintense. Have you just paid all
this money to d mug and yougot the first round overall pick last next

(46:50):
year? I mean, think aboutit. I don't don't know they're schedule
in front of me, but Iknow that they're gonna lose twice to the
Chiefs. They're gonna lose twice tothe Chargers, and I think the Broncos
are gonna bounce back. We'll talkabout them in a second. They could
very well go like one in fivein the division, and I would not
be shocked. So it's really hardto make any kind of noise if you're
if you just get beat down inyour division. Yeah, I'm looking back

(47:15):
at these. I'm pretty I've beenpretty handed. I've been pretty solid with
these. The worst team I haveis three and four the three and fourteen
Falcons. What was my I thinkI had the Commander's pretty low, right,
Yeah, the Commanders at three thirteenand one. Good for me?
Good for me? Oh yeah,I don't Yeah, I don't like that
team. So yeah, technically byyour rankings, the Raiders would be the

(47:38):
worst team. Oh yeah, becausethe tie. Yeah, push it.
We're not going to be doing theCardinals. But no, we won't be
doing the Cardinals, but we wouldprobably both put them pretty low. I
think the Cardinals have a top fivepick. I don't think they're gonna sniff
the one, though, I thinkthey'll I think that division is weak enough
outside of the top two teams,Like I don't know, and we we

(47:59):
don't know how Calamars gonna out.I think that's the real question. If
Kyler. If Kyler doesn't play untillike postseason, I don't think they won
a game we're not post season midseason. Yeah, so you're saying they
don't win until Kyler comes back.No, I'm saying if Kyler comes back
late, they don't win a gameall season. Oh. I like that.

(48:19):
That's a little spicy meat the balllike, because there's just not going
to be enough time for him toget into a rhythm for him to like
start winning games. And now theydon't have Dean Dropkins. Yeah, so
there's no wide receivers there. It'sHollywood and that it's some speed, got
some dorch yea some doors some almostlyis Abell but he's not there anymore.
What's the other guy? Ron Dale? Yeah? Ron Dale? You got

(48:39):
tiny short fat who's the time ofthe draft last year? Hurts? It's
hurts? And uh who was theguy last year? There's a second tight
end? No, jeez, whatwas it? Why are we doing this
to ourselves again? We're embarrassing ourselves. We do a podcast? Oh God,
gone is it? Is it?Trace? Is it? Tray McBride,

(49:00):
there it is? See we gottaget there, get the faster.
I was like, I know itstarts with the tea and then I continuing
Tray McKitty, who it's closed.Well, he was a charger, so
I was just looking at that depthchart. But oh man, that was
that was toughy. All right,Fuck the Raiders. Let's talk about the
Broncos five and twelve last year maybethe biggest one of the I'm trying to

(49:25):
think of like a worst collapse likeand I can't. I don't think you
can find one like. It wasterrible, like in terms of a full
blown season. Just absolutely have awhole new look about Russell Wilson that we
did three hundred and sixty five daysago. What are your before we get
into Russell Wilson, what are yourthoughts on the whole Sean Payton talking shit
on what's his face? On Hackett? I'm literally the most unsurprised ever,

(49:49):
because of course Sean Payton thinks theguy before him did a fucking terrible job,
and he did, to a point, he did terrible. Yes,
I also like a Rodgers defending him. I also thought that was a good
statement for him to just be like, how would you keep my coach's name
out of your mouth? How aboutthat? Yeah? I go back and
I think so, I think Iam unsurprised that he said it. I'm
surprised, Sash very happy. Somebodycalled him out on his bullshit. I

(50:12):
agree with that. I also Idon't totally hate it because I think what
he was really trying to do wasbe like, Russ is gonna be fine.
I think that was his way oflike, hey, last year was
a fucking shit show. It wasn'tmy quarterback's fault. Maybe I don't necessarily
totally agree or believe that, butI like the Hey, I stand with

(50:35):
my guy. So I also don'tthink I would like Sean Payton if I
met him. I don't think soeither. Yeah, I don't know if
there's many head coaches that I wouldactually like, get along with and be
like, oh, like, you'reactually a big red, big red.
I think I want to get MikeTomlin so drunk he just starts like Tomlin
isn't in me until I die.He would be a cool one. I

(50:57):
think Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll seemsfun. I think Pete Carroll a strip
club would be cool. He's becausehe keeps taking a shirt on it all.
He's also like eighty years old.Is the oldest head coach? Uh
oh mc daniel would love to seedid you see the Eli Apple thing.
Yeah, the dummy. Yeah,I know what she did there, but
you're did you're funny. Yeah,But there's not all. There's Robert Sala

(51:21):
I don't think i'd get along with. I don't think i'd get along with
Peterson seems cool. Yeah, Petersonseems okay. Chill. I don't think
i'd get along with either the eitherHarbaugh. No, uh yeah, there's
there's very few that I would beexcited to hang out with. But that's
the weird thing. Bringing it backto the Broncos, most the only change

(51:42):
this team has really had is bringingin Sean Payton, and we just all
kind of automatically think that's going tofix everything. Yeah, there was a
lot more wrong with that team thanjust a head coach, which, to
be fair, they got the Jaguars, got all out of there, and
they turned it around real quick afterthat. I Am not saying Nathaniel Hackett

(52:04):
is a Meyer, no, butbut but it was. A coach can
change things very quickly, very veryquickly. But I'm not sure they're gonna
be better than five and twelve thisyear. They truly think. I think
they have to be. Also theone terrible let's say terrible, but terrible
Tim Patrick got hurt again. That'sheartbreaking. Yeah, it is. I

(52:25):
mean literally the first week of campand he's already towards Achilles, Like I
just want to give that man ahug. He's like, you were so
chill, you were so good forlike six games and then I thought you
were going to be the back toback seas ending season ending injuries before the
season starts is just absolutely I don'tknow how you come back from that.
But yeah, obviously the coach isa huge impact on this. But we

(52:53):
also heard like I don't know,And what I'm really curious about is did
a lot of this happen in seadult two with Russ Like they talk about
all the time, like, oh, he had like an office. He
wasn't in the locker room, hidan office, like you had to like
text his agent to get an appointmentwith him, Like he was your like
boss's boss in corporate America. Andthat's not how That's not how football works.

(53:19):
No, this isn't like if that'sthe kicker, maybe it's like kickers
are fucking weird head cases. Sure, lock him up in a cornerbody talked
to him, but like you hereall the time. It's like, oh,
like all the guys, all theyoung guys were always by Big Ben
when he was when when he wasstill there, all these guys were you
know, they're around mahomes, they'rearound like these guys are in the trenches,
because why would you not, likeyou want to you want to be

(53:44):
in the trenches, is exactly whatis. These guys are fighting for you.
These guys are getting hit way morethan you are, Like you want
to know that, you want themto know that you're there with him.
And I'm hoping that maybe Peyton islike, just get back in the locker
room and stop ticking around. Ithink that's what's gonna happen. Are we
gonna see less of the the shadowhuddle calling. Are we're gonna see here

(54:06):
less about the doing hig knees onplanes? Maybe? Yeah? Or maybe
we still see it because Russell Wilson. At the end of the day,
it's still a humongous cornball. Yes, and sometimes that's entertaining. It's a
lot more entertaining when you're winning.Yes, Yeah, that stuff doesn't come
out if they go twelve and five, Like nobody hears about the hin knees
on the airplane, like like Iremember, literally almost to the date of

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last year, we were talking aboutthe video of Russ coming into camp like
in front of a tank with hisown jersey on. Yeah, and we're
like, that's stupid, it's corny, but it's kind of funny and kind
of fun. Yeah, and Ithink it's and I think it's just a
little silly enough to where I likeit. And then just kept getting worse
and worse and worse and worse.It was it was cute, than it

(54:50):
got way way because they started losing. Yes, yeah, so let's talk
let's shoot gears here a little bit, and let's actually talk about the team.
So obviously, yeah, we'll startwith Russ. That seems like a
nice transition. Yeah, I meanso ross. Obviously he wore a season
of his career by far. Let'ssee what you don't tell your guess where
he finished. I'm just curious,QB, what on twenty six sixteen?

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Really it was still sixteen? Itwas still I mean still sixteen is terrible.
I mean, this is the guythat you reached for and he just
collapsed. But he had a coupleokay games, but yeah, really,
just overall poor poor portion. Let'ssee right now he's going is quarterback eighteen.
Yeah, I'm not touching him.Quarterback eighteen. Yeah. I would

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take him as my second quarterback.Maybe, I don't know. Like right
now, here's who's like in frontof him, Gino Smith. I think
I rather have Gino Anthy Richardson notin Redraft. I could see the upside
though. Golf is at seventeen.That seems silly to me. That seems
very That seems absolutely silly to me. Yeah, way too low. And
there's rossing behind him as the rookies, and like Kenny Pickett. Here's here's

(56:00):
the one thing I think that wedid a disservice to russ On last year
is that we were basically like,well it was going from DK and Tyler
Lockett to Courtland Sutton, Jerry Judy, that's basically the same thing. And
there was a lot of calling CourtlandSun DK met casts that I couldn't stand
right and it was like, oh, I kind of like Courtland Sun.
Yeah, but it was like,I think that was the big thing that

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we did not take into account.It was like, oh, these guys
played the same positions kind of similarly. DK Sudden big, straight line body
guys. Judy and Lockett are ourbig brout running, shifty guys. They're
basically the same. They are notThey're not. DK is a one of
the best deep ball guys in theleague. Lockett is now on the downturn

(56:43):
of his career, but he absolutelyFantasy relevant. And then you look at
a guy like Courton Sutton who playeddamn near every game. He looked like
he missed two games. He finishedas wide receiver forty three. It was
bad, like there was a itout hot too. He had his first
five weeks he had ten ten pluspoints and then just put it. There's

(57:05):
a couple of dynasty leagues where Iwas full and going into next year,
ready to start, or I shouldsay flex like Cortland side and on a
weekly basis, and I got shutdown really quickly fast. I mean,
and Judy too. I mean,I know you're I know you love Jerry
Judy, I do. He pissesme off. He does, like he

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he said why is he here twentytwo last year? It's not terrible from
what I would have thought and givenhow bad that team was last year,
but it just it it pisses meoff when like now it's dying or now
it's training camp time, and there'smore every day. It's oh, wow,
look how good of a route runnerJerry Judy is. And he's just

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and sure, maybe he really isa top three route runner in the NFL.
Why the fuck is he wide receivertwenty two? Because he can't because
he keeps dropping the ball right,and he can't stay healthy right, Like,
he's never anything severe. Jared Judynever gets severe injuries. It's always
just stuff that's keeping him out fora couple of weeks at a time,
and it just keeps adding up.Yes, it's just little things. And
I think it's little things that he'slike that he just can't deal with their

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battle through Like they never gonna callan NFL player like mentally weirdly like that,
But like he may just struggle withthese injuries more than some of these
guys that can block it out,like and maybe that's just the way he
plays the game. It's like heyou know, needs to feel his body
to be perfect to make these routesand these amazing cuts. But man,
his hands bad. Oh it's onething. That stuff that was the one

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thing coming out of Alabama that wasreally significant. Nobody thought his hands were
that bad. Like it's like,oh, I've seen that great. I've
seen this man in an orange jerseyrunning twelve yards away from people and it
hits him in the hands and hejust drops and I'm like, what is
this guy doing? I just don'tunderstand it. But let's let's flip this

(58:57):
around now. Okay, the facthe was wide receiver twenty two last year
and now he is going as widereceiver twenty four. I don't understand that.
Why because I think it's too high. No, I think it's too
low. I think it's too low. Because it's if we think the Broncos
are going to be even significant,even just small, just very small better

(59:19):
like this year, just instily betterthan this year. Why would he degress
if it's not for injury, becausemaybe we've seen the ceiling. What ceiling
well, that's what I'm saying ismaybe the eight hundred yards is a ceiling.
Well nine hundred and seventy two lastyear, but maybe he had I
mean, he had one hundred targets, sixty seven receptions, and nine hundred

(59:43):
two yard of six touchdowns. Likemaybe that's Jerry Judy. Maybe Jerry Judy
is just a wide receiver two infantasy and fantasy yes, okay, yeah,
maybe that's just what he is.So maybe you're right, maybe he
finishes his wide receiver twenty instead ofwatching were twenty four. I would go
as far to say, is I'mI think we're going to get the first
one thousand season Jerry Judy this year. It might be only that's the hottest
take ever, But it's not reallya hot take. But I mean,

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you're literally talking twenty eight more yards. But I mean it certainly could happen.
I just like Jerry Judy at hisvalue right now, he's why does
he were twenty four? I'd ratherhave in the people in front of him.
I'd rather have him over Christian Watson, rather have him over DJ Moore,
rather have him I was gonna say. The next one is DeAndre I

(01:00:25):
wouldn't do that, or Colt CalvinRidley. I can maybe see a case
for me taking him over Calvin Ridley. No, I don't think I could
do that. But anyway, myBOYD stands is that he is going he
is going what like fifty eight overalls. That puts him in the back end
of Yeah, yeah, back endof the fifth round. I think that's

(01:00:49):
a really good value. You should. I think this is like a good
one if you were to going backto the Pacheco thing. You're punning on
Pacheco into like the sixth round.You're getting like a Jerry Judy in the
fourth and fifth round as your widereceiver three. That's pretty nice. Yeah,
that's pretty nice. I guess.I don't know. I think that.

(01:01:09):
I think I'm Jerry Judid out formy fantasy career. Maybe he comes
back and proves me wrong this year, but one thousand yards for Jerry Judy,
it's happening this year. What aboutKurt and Sutton? Are you totally
out on Sutton? I'm not totallyout. Actually might kind of like his
value. He's going super low widereceiver forty three at one hundred and five.

(01:01:30):
Yes, he's going around like GabeDavis and Michael Thomas and Johan Dotson
and that exactly. So it's justthose guys who are that. Basically there
are wide receiver two names that weknow, so they're all kind of paired
together in this little group here,right, It's not bad at one hundred

(01:01:52):
five, that's like round nine.I don't hate it. Yeah, I
can't even say anything more than Ijust don't hate it. Is it weird
to think that Courtland Sutton has morethousand yards receiving years than Jerry Judy?
Now granted it's one, but it'snot weird because there was a time where
we thought Courtland Sutton was the ship. Oh yeah, I mean that was

(01:02:13):
his He had a thousand yards inhis second season. And oh we had
a trade here we this is inour Guardians league. You and I traded.
I got Sutton, you got DadariusTony. We did do that.
I forgot about that trade. Thatwas may have that was May of this
year. Yeah, we we justdid that. Yeah. I think that's

(01:02:35):
still a pretty fair trade. Yea. I just I think out of the
two of these guys, I thinkI want Sutton. I don't think that
means that Son's gonna outperform Judy.But like you said, at his ADP,
I think I am very more,very more excited about Sutton at his
ADP. And we haven't talked muchDynasty in this episode. I should say,

(01:02:58):
yeah, let's talk a little bithere. The doors seem to be
opening by themselves for Marvin Mims atthis point. That is a great point.
Nobody's really talking about Mims. ButkJ Hamdler has some sort of medical
issue going hard thing. Yeah,so we hope he does well from that,
but it is something that is happeningnow. Tim Patrick is hurt.
They've gone going from a very deepwide receiver room too. Now the doors

(01:03:21):
just seem open for Marvin Mims tobe a contributor early. Yeah, because
now he is. Not only ishe now the fastest wide receiver on the
team, the one true deep threatenedon the team, he now doesn't have
a whole lot of competition Marcus Callaway'sthere. I didn't know that, yeah,
but no point stance. I meanhe may end up just by default,

(01:03:44):
ending up being that in three widereceiver sets and done that for him.
I love it for him. Iam a huge Marvin Mins fan.
That was the one, and Iwasn't the only one, because I got
no shares of him in any dynastythis years. Everybody else like Marvin Man.
Yeah, even the people who arehurt by Denzel Mims still were like
I like Marvin Min. Yeah,different man, he had hurt again.

(01:04:08):
Man, I'm looking at the thistight end group here. This is a
wild height end group, dul Chitch, Albert oh, Adam Troutman, there's
a lot of tight ends in here. Yeah. I still like dul Chitch.
I still think he's a nice littletight end. But I he's not
gonna be that top six tight end. He's not gonna fight for that spot.
Yeah, he's on the endless amountof tight ends that could possibly be

(01:04:30):
tight end six to ten. Ye. But there's a lot of other guys
that I'd rather take that risk onthan dull Sitch. Yeah. I think
the one thing that holds Dultos andMarvin M's back is just I'm still not
ready to believe that Russ can supporteveryone all these guys like it's gonna be
Judy and then it's gonna be Sutton. But I don't know about it.

(01:04:53):
The rest of these guys, Idon't I don't really trust any of it
yet. I gotta wait and see. And then we get to the running
backs, because he's running backs areI mean it, it's Javonte Williams.
They brought in Sagap Ryan, whowe all know my feelings on Somaj,
but Javonte is a guy that's obviouslyhas he gets put together on the field
due to injuries, but his valueI think has really really fallen. I

(01:05:17):
don't know where you would like,have you gotten a lot of mocks where
you've ended up with Javante You areJavonte fan I am, and I have
because you're getting him at that runningseven running back twenty seven. Yeah,
you're getting him at that round sixto seven move. And right now he's
looking relatively healthy. I don't knowif he's let's start week one ready,

(01:05:39):
but he's out there, and ifhe is healthy, he is the starting
running back some JP Ryan be damned. Oh yeah. But it's more just
what is he gonna look like comingback? Is he gonna be the running
back we thought he was gonna becoming at u NC Like, I'm willing
to take that shot for around sevenad fair? That's fair? I mean,

(01:06:00):
yeah, there's not really an RBBChere to be to be had,
so it's really he's gonna have itall or the SMADI is gonna trip his
way into a running back to status. So yeah, I guess at that
point round seven as your flex runningback. That's not the worst thing I've
ever heard, especially for how he'shealthy. He might beat my pick for
the sleeper of this division at roundseven. Yeah, I mean that's a

(01:06:20):
deep sleep. Where that's a deepthat's a good sleeper pick. I'm just
because I just think I still thinkhe is as talented as anybody of this
top running back clot of the topof the running backs. We just don't
know how he's going to be afterthe injury. He is just Bruce Hall,
but you're getting him at a lotmuch cheaper rate. M. I'm
getting you on that one. That'snot BRUCEE. Hall. Breese Hall is

(01:06:42):
on a whole nother level. Yes, it's coming off of a similar injury.
But nobody ever talked about Javonti andBreese all being in the same talent
pool. M. I still hadBreeze Hall higher, but way higher.
I don't want to say way higher, way higher. I want to say
way higher. I'll say way hi. I'm not gonna say way higher.
But I was also a very bigJavonte fan coming out to UNC. Breece

(01:07:04):
was generational. Javante was not.Brice is not generational. Gasp him,
say kwan yes, him, saykwan no, yes, no yes,
no. Breeze was not no.Bruece was not generational. I disagree.
You had Kenneth Walker above him,and you're calling Breeze Pall generational. What

(01:07:26):
are you talking about? You knowhim is the RB two you're calling a
generational? Walker also generational? Uhyeah, I'm I am very scared a
Javonty Williams. I will not beYeah, I mean maybe in round seven,
maybe I'll think about it. ButI really don't love don't love touching
him. I love the chance ofgetting Pacheco and then turning around and getting

(01:07:49):
Javonte. I don't know. Jim. Uh yeah, we talked about tight
end to talk about the wide receivers. Yeah, I think that's pretty much
it. What's the addiction here?I think they do significantly better than what
they did last year. I thinkSean Payton does bring them a handful of
more wins. I still really likethis defense, Like, yeah, it's

(01:08:15):
not as good as it's been inthe last couple of years, but Patrick
certain is still an absolute dog,so they don't have a bad defense.
They also signed Michael McGlinchey, whichI love, another Notre Dame guy,
so I still really like this defense. I think this offense can start to
push. I'm gonna give them.They're right on the nine and eight eight

(01:08:38):
and nine mark. For me,I just don't know which way that side's
gonna go. But even if you'renine and eight, that's not getting you
to the playoffs each year in theAFC. Yeah, So even if they're
so, they're not making the playoffsanyway, I'm gonna give made nine.
I'm gonna go with the lower right. I feel like I always go higher
in my higher expectation, I'm gonnalower. I'm gonna give him May nine

(01:08:59):
because I think it's it's gonna beon either side of that, it's just
gonna be. Yeah, they're notThey're not even gonna be sniffing the playoffs.
They'll be out by week sixteen.But the Senate, this AFC is
just two to two stacked to eventhink about these guys. Yeah, because
we were talking about the Dolphins beingan above five hundred team, we talked
about the Jets being a top abovefive hundred team, we talked about possibly

(01:09:19):
the Steelers being above five hundred team. And there's even the Ravens on the
talk. Ninety eight is not goingto get you nowhere into the end of
this playoffs. That nowhere near nochance zero wrote chance, ladies and gentlemen.
So let's just actually speaking of whichnot we have all the predictions before
we get onto this one. Let'ssee how we would see the AFC playoffs.

(01:09:42):
We would have the Bengals, bothof us put up, the Bengals
winning division, the Jags winning division, the Bills winning the division, and
of course the Chiefs winning division.Yeah, and then we based on both
of our predictions, we would havethe Jets as the first AFC eleven six.
We both had the MI eleven six, okay, the Steelers at ten
seven to eleven and six, andthen the Chargers actually for Hugh Charges would

(01:10:06):
be thirteen and four, so theywould be the number one. So that
would be our playoff. That's ourplayoff predictions. Can I change the records
for the Chiefs and the Chargers tothirteen thirteen and one? No, I'm
not. I'm not that it wouldbe awesome. So that's who are three
AFC predictions are for the wild card? Is our money goes on the Jets,

(01:10:29):
the Steelers and the Chargers. Ithink that's okay with that? Yeah,
I mean, because then I'm rightwith that. You're not even talking
about the Ravens here, who couldstill be a good team. Yeah,
we're Ravens. Dolphins and Broncos areboth are all on that nine and eighty
like they're on the cusp, andyou could somebody out there is. Plus
we'll put the Browns, well,fuck the Browns, but yes, yeah,
get out of here with your Browns. All right. Let's let's wrap

(01:10:51):
up with the superlatives here. Solet's talk about the NFC West MVP.
Stop me if this is too obvious. Do you want do you want to
say Mahomes and I'll say Kelsey?I was no, I want to say
Kelsey Okay, Sames Okay, allright, Yeah that's an easy one.
Uh if we could say not aChief Austin Neckler, I guess yeah,

(01:11:14):
we probably should have probably just saidaust Neckler. But yeah, just make
everybody feel better. Uh, youknow, Alay talked about it. Let's
talk about sleeper here. I thinkit's Javon. I think it's coming from
the Broncos. No matter what oneof those guys, it's either either Javonte
or if we're going super deep,it's going to be Marvin Mims. Okay,
I like that. I'm gonna goSky Moore. Oh, that's a
good one. I think. LikeI said, I think, I think

(01:11:36):
one of these right wide receivers hasto has to be Fantasy relevant consistently.
I don't know if it's gonna beSky, Richie James or Marks vout Is
Scaling, but I'm gonna Rushi Rice, maybe Russie Rice. Maybe I'm gonna
ride with skymore this year. Let'stalk bust, because I think this is

(01:11:56):
a there are busts to be hadhere. I think give me mad at
me if I say Keenan out,because I'm gonna say Kanan out. That's
a rough one, but I getit. I guess it just a age
injury. And I'm not saying he'sgonna be a wide super fifty. But
he's you said, he's what likewide sep Fifteen sixteen, Like I can
see him finishing outside the top twentyfour wide severs this year. That I'm

(01:12:18):
going to say for my bust hmm. The only one I can really stay
claiming is I want to say MikeWilliams, but it's all for the same
reasons we always say it is justinjuries. He's very touchdown reliant, so

(01:12:42):
it's really easy to say Mike Williams. But then it's another one that's like,
oh, I can definitely be wrong. I just say Jerry Judy.
I'm not gonna say Jerry Judy.Jerry Judy. I think Jerry Judy is
that decent value? What about soI think that Mike Williams is too.
This is a tough one to getone because I love a lot of there's
there's a lot of really good timeand all the ones that I'm like kind
of out on, it's already reflective. Right, Yeah, I'll give you

(01:13:03):
a pass if you can't think ofone, or we'll just give you Mike
Williams with the asterisk. Yeah,give me Mike Williams with the asterix.
Rookie of the Year here, reallynot a ton of options. You've got
Rashi Rice, You've got Mims,Quentin Johnston. That's a good one.
I'm gonna go to Mims. Still, I'm gonna go I'll go Quinn Johnson.
I think that, Yeah, I'mgonna go Quinn Johnson. I think

(01:13:24):
that he's gonna have the path tosuccess here. I think that's usually our
last one. Those are the bigones. So uh yeah, probably not
gonna do an AFC or an NFCWest next week, just do to scheduling
conflicts, but maybe we'll see ifwe can squeeze one in or do like
an expedited one or something. We'llfigure it out. We don't really need
it. It's not that sexy ofa division. And hopefully we'll have football

(01:13:45):
to talk about here at least somepreseason stuff to chew on as when we
get back after next week. Ohyeah, so be sure if also on
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(01:14:06):
tweeting out as we get rolling.Ball's back. I'm ready for balls back.
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