August 13, 2025 • 39 mins
What if government black projects were not just about weapons, but about time travel, mind control, and contacting entities from other dimensions? We examine the claims and the plausibility that they happened or were just an imagination of fiction.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake Up Radio Network.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
A rational voice in a world of conspiracy. Jim Duke Perspective.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
How's it going, Darren, Jim, I'm doing really good. Thanks,
it's good to be back. And how long has we
were off for? I was offered quite a while.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
You're off for a few months.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah. I had a big vacation.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, Unfortunately I didn't get I was double duty and
trying to get this going, and I didn't have I
didn't have access to any of my mics. They were
all stored, and I didn't have my setup because I
didn't have my computer or a place to put it
because I was building, So I had to record off
my iPhone. That's what the sessions were recorded the past month.
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But nobody seemed to care that much. But we're back.
I got my my mic phone. I found my equipment
in storage Microsoft. Yeah, yeah, my microphone I lost, I
lost my some of my equipment.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I found that.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So, uh, what do you What do you know about
the Montac project.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, it's something that has been probably going on longer
than the project itself. I'm sure, you know, I'll bet
there was secret covert operations that were in effect prior
to that, and they just made that known, you know,
pretending that they didn't want it to be publicized. And
it's being implemented on us now and probably alternate ways.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Well, you know, there's so much controversy.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Some people said it's been fantasy, it's it's been speculated,
and there's no real whistleblowers that came out. I mean,
there are some there's some people that claimed they were
part of the project and stuff after Himsis or after
after some kind of delusions or something. But we tend
to wonder if they can be proven, because nothing's been proven.
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It's all been speculated. There's movies on it, there's articles
on it, there's a lot of wild conspiracy theories on it,
and but I don't think there's any factual, presented evidence
of the actual things that are going on.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, if you're saying that it's not scientifically possible, that's
not a valid statement because we look at like, for instance,
ELF towers extremely low frequency, we have GWEN towers, ground
wave emergency network towers, you know, transmitting frequencies that can
has been proven scientifically to alter a person's mental cognitance
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and their thought patterns everything. So it's it's not that
it's not scientifically possible. The question is did it occur?
Is that what you're saying right?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Well, no, you got to point there because a lot
of the things that are claimed have been speculated as happening,
because we have had evidence of other things scientifically. Like
you said, I agree with you there, But what if
the black projects that are associated with Montalk weren't just
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about that stuff or weapons, but about the other things
that you can't really prove. They say it was about
time travel, contacting entities from other dimensions and different things
like that. I don't know if that gets more into
the speculative aspects, but just a brief definition of the
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Montalk project. Allegedly, it's a program that's conducted at Camp
Hero in Montalk, Long Island. How far away is Montalk
from us?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Well, it's actually towards the tip of Long Island. It
would be a drive from Albany. It's probably close to
one hundred and eighty miles. I'd say it's because Long
Island is I figure how long that is? From tip
to tip, but probably close, like I think it's like
seventy miles, don't quote me. But and then from Albany
to the base of you know, like Manhattan would be
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another I think it's one sixty when sixty so we're
looking at you know, it's a good drive, but s
so it's not that far. And then with the way
they crow fry fries flies fried crow, it would be
you know, like it would only be you know, maybe
one hundred miles one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, so so it's really only a few hours from.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Us, yep.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And people don't realize how close it is. We're folks,
We're in the We're in the gut of this uh trash.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
We got Quomo on one side, we have what's that
next to him on the other side of us.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, we have we pray for us people.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
We have the Marina Abrahmaveka Witch, Hollywood Witch that Jay
Z and Lady Gaga go to write.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Down twenty miles from from us.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And yeah, sure there's other secret things they know about,
you know, but this is conduct things that were conducted
at this camp hero they say in the seventies and eighties.
But I think it's been going wasn't it going on
longer than that?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Actually, I'm not sure, I get.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I get like the most of the experience was experiments
for seventies and eighties, but it's linked to mind control,
time travel, interdimensional experiments, and but the official narrative is
it's an abandoned radar station, and the rest of his
conspiracy fiction, the fringe narrative is that it's underground labs, kidnapping,
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kidnap children, and dangerous technology. They had, they had stories
or legends of like creatures coming out of it. And
I can picture what's that island of Doctor Moreau, remember that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yes, seventies. I remember my sister and I watch that.
I'm like, this is creepy, But it's reality.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Isn't that kind of what it was based on? Like
the hybrid the mutated creatures and stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, you know, the Bible says in Genesis prior to
the flood, the Bible says that all flesh was corrupt.
That includes like animals in a general sense, not just humans.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
And they're all at Montak, right.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I'll tell you it was very weird. That's just like
a hybridization. I actually seen it on YouTube. Was a
part human, part frog. It was just born there was
it real or it was real? Oh yeah, it was real.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
They're slapping it to keep it going. But I guess
it survived.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I seen the one that was like a fish or
pig and something else or.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Somebody said, that's like a carved like a like a
clay was laying on the ground.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So that was fake.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That one was fake, But this.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Mine was fake and yours is real. Yep, you gather,
so you debunked mine, but you validate yours.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I don't think the government's not like uh, formulating these
crazy hybridized you know, cruss genetic utated genes of different
humans and animals.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You know, what's God? What does he do with that?
When they stand?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know, when that thing dies, it's is it gonna
have a soul like the Nephilim?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Now, now they say covering these experiments, underground tunnels still exist,
but over it is now a tourist attraction. It's a park,
like wow, so they they opened it up. It's now
like a park with a facility on it. But they
say it still has access to underground labs and stuff.
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But we don't we don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Do we.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I know the government has a lot of stuff going underground.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, but why would they put a park right over
it so.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
They can Disney World?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Underneath the Disney World is another the biggest mind programming
UH station. You know, if I hear that song one
more time, I'm gonna croak.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Magic going there.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I haven't been there, but imagine going there and hearing
that over and over again, the song It's a Small
World or whatever they play. Uh. I know people that
go there every year, they love it. They destined to
go there. I have no desire. I have no interest.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yep. And to do with children.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I just it's I would I regret having a Mickey
Mouse watch when I was little.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I would probably deny a ticket. I don't want to go.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
So now the origins in the background of the Montaka
associated it. It's got a connection to the Philadelphia experiment.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was just I was just going to say that, wow,
because it's close to you know where it took place.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
But that was in nineteen forty three. But there was
a Navy ship that supposedly transcended visibility. It became invisible
time Displacement experiment, where survivors later tied to the Montac project.
They said, and it's a uss Eldridge invisibility experiment, supposedly
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a failed attempt at radar cloaking resulting in teleportation time displacement.
How do you approve that?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
The credible out in this account showed that the guys
were actually infused within the deck. When they returned back
to the location, they weren't standing on the deck. They
were like amalgamated with the metal on an atomic level
their cells and their bodies, so they're like stuck their screaming.
Did they prove that well, credible accounts were describing it,
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and they were just we're gonna have photographs. But I
know it's speculative, but it's you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
See, That's what I mean, is there's not yeah, like
whenever you have these things, it's either really squashed so
you can never see it, or it's highly speculative, where
the whistleblowers are sort of questionable. You can't prove that
they're right or not. So I could tell you a
fiction story. We've proved this before. I could tell you
a fiction story and say it happened to me and
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there's no way for you to prove it, and there's
no way for me to prove it happened, so you'd
have to take my word for it.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I just don't trust anybody.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
There was survivors like al Bailick who claimed that they
were that he was a later recruited into the Montak
project in the nineteen seventies, and he kind of testifies
to some of these things. But of course, you know,
they say that, oh he's not he's not credible, But.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
You know, now, the Camp Hero Air Force Station was
closed in nineteen sixty nine, but the thing that they're
saying is that it allegedly continued underground. It's above ground.
They decommissioned the Cold War radar tower. That's what they said.
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This thing was involving an underground, multi level underground bases
with labs, dormitories, and chambers for experiments. Now I'm gonna
say this, I don't doubt that there are underground bases,
because we have them here in Albany. There is in Washington,
d C. People have claimed to see it, like Kathy
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O'Brien claims there are underground passages where they're transporting people
they said they were trafficking people through the tunnels, and
so I don't doubt that it's possible. Now, when I
say that, I can't prove it is legit because I
don't know. But it's weird that people did. They heard
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like tremors underground in the area, like they were tunneling
something like tunneling miss. Yeah, so these things lead to
our speculation, but they don't really lead to our evidence.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Well, I'll tell you I heard Walmart has in some
stores actually have underground tunnels and bases in it.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I've heard that too.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And that six star logo that they have for Walmart
that's actually the order bore that drills through rock.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So why would they have that as their display?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, hey, they just stay this part of these cult secret.
Uh you know things they do is just they put
things out and open for us to see. But we
don't know what exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
But why would they choose the boor I'd rather see
them choose prison cells because they're going to encamp people
and closed down Walmart's That's what we were told on
that too. Don't they use prison bars as their logo?
You know, if they're going to go that far, but
I don't know. I I rather think that the h
the image is a hexagram, and it's a secret hexagram.
That's what I picture it as because it's got the
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six sides. But anyway, you know, again, we don't know.
But but to your point, Walmart has contracts, government contracts
and affiliations, and uh they do say you know, I
hear rumors that there are they are other facilities that
they utilize it for, so kind of the same type
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of things. I mean they're doing. I don't know what
are they doing in the tunnels underneath Walmart? Are they
are they secretly making toys? I don't know what are
they doing.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'm sure it's for something nefarious or you know.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
But there's a funding mystery with with Moontak too. It's
rumors that it's funded by the Nazi gold recovered after
World War.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Two, that it's crossover with MK ultra funding.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I don't doubt that because it's tied with the Operation
paper Clip scientists and they they run the black budgets,
are are run like CIA. We mentioned this once before.
Did we mention this or did I do this myself?
I talked about the CIA funding recently. I think I
did one of these on my own. So what I
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found out, Darren, is that the CIA are not funded
by the government. There are the agency is the staff maybe,
but the projects aren't. They're funded by alternative funding programs
and black funding, black market funding. So in other words,
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they use their affiliations of porn and trafficking and things
like that to build funds for the CIA experiments. Why
do you think they do that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well, I just gotta say, I'm glad we're not funding
it tax payers.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Okay, that's a good point. But why do you think
they're doing it that way?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'll give you question.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I'll tell you why. Because if it is government funding,
it would have ties into accountability and they would be
up for audit or for question, and they could be
shut down by the government and and they'd have to
be transparent about what they're doing. But if they're funded
outside the government, by black funds, by alternative mystery funds,
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they don't have to account to anything. They can do
their experiments, nobody can shut them down because they control
their own projects. See, I mean, it's outside the confines
of accountability of government.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
That's why they do this.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
So this this is said to be of the same
kind of funding funding.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
It's uh.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Now, there's other similar bases that exist allegedly, like Dulce
Dulce Base in New Mexico, the Right Patterson AFB in Ohio.
But why was Montac chosen? Possibly because it's a remote area.
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Maybe uh it's got expansion abilities, maybe access to the
sea ways, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Could also be perhaps lay lines underneath, could be something.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But some of these experiments that are alleged, uh, they're
they're in the fringe networks and but they there there's uh,
there's a speculation of mind control, psychic amplification. So these
are like mk ultra style CIA interests of of breaking
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minds and programming minds. And then they had the moon
Tak chair.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You ever hear that, uh Montac shair No, I never
heard that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
That's the combination of electronics and psychic subjects where the
device allegedly hnces enhances uh, the abilities of the person
that sits in the chair and it gives them ultimate
psychic projections. So in other words, astral projection, like it
enhances your ability to astro project I told this on
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another episode, might have been even last week. Yeah, I did.
I told you about the astral travel experiments I did,
and this would this would blow me out of the water.
I mean, if I could do it, then imagine if
I had this chair what I could do.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Because I was able to do it before.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Now, I don't think the result of what I was
doing was ultimately scientific or even metaphysical. I think it
was more spiritual. So the ability to project my mind
someplace else may have transcend science. And it may not
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be my mind in my state of mind, or my
ability or the physical ability to do it. May have
been my willingness to invite or invoke a spirit and
have the spirit using me to input information in my
head to make me think I'm remote viewing, but it
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was feeding me information.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
How do we know? We don't cross over on that.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
So how do we know that this Montac chair that
enhances his people's psychic ability isn't an ultimate spiritual demonic
enhancer to summon demons to give them ultimate permission to
really feed the subject.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Ye, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
That very possible.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Absolutely, So do you wanna do you wanna take bets
on that? You want to? You want to take your
chance on that?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I wouldn't thank so they're also doing projects of thought
forms into physical reality. I think this is uh, there's
there's Nikola uh Testless principles of magnifying psychic abilities, and
but pushing also thought forms into reality. So what's that mean?
Thinking something to exist? I don't think we can do
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that yet. And if we can, you gotta let me know,
because then people would be conjuring stuff all the time.
Matter of fact, I need to conjure a couple hundred dollars.
I gotta, I gotta pay something off, you know, conjure
my studio. I could have conjured one instead of built one.
Wouldn't that have been convenient to have just fought my
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studio in existence?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
And here it is.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It sort of happened that way, Darren, But I had
to labor to do it. I did think it, but
I had to labor to get it done. I don't
think my studio would have been built by me just
going away and dreaming that my studio is built, and
then popping downstairs and finding that I have a full studio.
I don't think it's gonna work that way. But the
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subjects were gifted in psychic ability. They said they hosted
children with unusual abilities military recruits trained through trauma based
mind control, and the goal is remote viewing, remote influencing,
or mass mind manipulation practicing. So that's what these experiments
may have done. But what about the time travel and
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dimensional portals that they talked about associated with this thing.
It's claim to allow travel to specific years or even
alternate timelines, both past and future. So it's like a
time machine. So if we have a time machine and
this is it, what what are we doing wasting our time?
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Let's just go and get take care of it. The
fact that people say they have seen this thing or
been there or whatever, and the fact that they can't
produce evidence, and the fact that no one really benefits
from it, like we don't see it, we don't know
about it, and it remains sort of a story or
a legend. We can't come out and say we absolutely
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know this exists. We can only say what's spin a ledge?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Right, it's right?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
So I mean, is it possible to time travel? I
don't know. I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
People will claim it is, and I know we have
theories on Mandela effects and stuff like that. By the way,
that was just dubbed by a new Agero who had
a experience about Mandela and dubbed this term, and then
people psychologically went out and tried to find other evidences
that timeline's been switched and quantum parallel universes have been crossed.
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It was all based on this one new ager who
claims that Mandela didn't Mandela died in prison when many
of us remember him coming out of prison, and it
caused the controversy of people starting to question what they remembered.
That's how this whole thing came about. But proven, I
don't know if you could prove quantum fix I don't
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think you could prove quantum parallel timelines.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
They haven't proved it yet. They only have.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Speculated the theory of it and said it's scientific. But
it's no more scientific than me saying I'm going to
produce a pick elephant in my room. I just don't
want to show you what it is. I mean, you know,
I don't know. I questioned these things. But they claim
they've been to ancient Egypt with this thing, that they've
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been to Mars Darren. They've been to Mars Colony and
this is tied to Project Pegasus.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
They claim that they recovered.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Tesla's experiments from nineteen forty three, and of course it's
always connected to CERN and Stargate, Stargate. We mentioned Project Stargate.
It's different than the Trump Stargate of the Golden Age
that he questioned that he that he mentioned Stargate was
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the psychic program of the CIA. So I think we
have mentioned this time tunnel and this people that witnessed
a sketch. They have a sketch of this machine that's
allegedly was a time machine, and I think that was Unmontac.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Didn't we talk about that once before?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yes, we did.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, keep in mind they have predictive programming and Back
to the Future with that movie.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, so if you want to get into that, then yeah,
there is a lot of hints in culture, in fiction
to these possible programs, hinting or predictive programming, the possibility
of their true existence. And that's also all we have
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is really just speculative film. I haven't seen it, but
did you see the Do you ever see the show
Oh Stranger Things? No, I'm told that's a mimic of
the Montac experiments. They have hints to it in it
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in the show. And you mentioned Back to the Future Yep,
we got that. And uh, I mean there's a lot
of things that are that are so There's there's that
Teleporter show or movie whatever where they travel with different
parts and and you know materialize in other places Star
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Trek materializing and de materializing. So a lot of these
things have been in predictive programming.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Sure makes you wonder, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, so, but again, you know, you can make up anything.
When you want to talk about something that is possible,
you can't say necessarily that it's absolute or happening. You
can can only say it's speculating as possible. Because we
could come up with as fictions of everything that could happen.
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You and I could sit here and talk about tons
of things that we suspect may be possible and may
be happening and make accusations that this must be happening,
but it doesn't necessarily mean it is happening. There's talk
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about Montak being associated with ET technology Exchange program.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I guess exchange. You know, that's the ultimate exchange program.
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
You remember when you were a kid and you had
you were in school and you were part of a
band or something, uh, the school band, and you had
these exchange programs where you you visited somebody in Canada,
uh and joined their community for a little while, and
then they came here and joined your community for a
little while. And this is et technology exchange program. Imagine
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that I'm going to exchange place is with somebody from
uh name one of those planets that they talk about
that are out there, Palladium or something or whatever.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Plates.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I'm going to exchange student with an alien from Plates.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
That's the ultimate exchange.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well the plates are the stars star.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Clus what's the one that they talk about with the
planet the mystery planets and stuff that they say life is,
aliens come from or whatever.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I don't yeah, and that's something.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Like that, but it's I thought it was like whatever,
but uh yeah, So imagine that, and you know, the
the alien from Platius or whatever will come here and
say you brought me here to this trash heap.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I don't think they want to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So all right, So we talked about the time travel,
We talked about the chair contact with non human entities.
These are opening portals that they talk about associated with
cern and stuff. So these are portals of interdimensional gateways,
and we know what happens when you report there's a
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report of alien grays, reptilian beings, and something that's called
the beast that psychically got manifested here gone wrong. Now,
you and I have a different aspect of what we
mean when we say interdimensional portals, right, we probably are
talking more about demonic spirits being brought here, summoned here,
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or us used as a conduit to give invite them here,
breaking into the interdimensional realms of where the spiritual is
to help them manifest. That's I think that's more spiritual.
It's it's part of it's almost a cultic. It's like witchcraft.
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It's more along the lines of that Satanism is more
than it is scientifically experimental.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
But then we have the dangerous stuff, the stuff that's
rumored to be human experimentation, like missing children. There's been
possible abductions from foster system systems. Street kids are even
recruited in And we lost our channel, our YouTube channel
because we explored some of these foster systems, and I
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was called cyberbullying. I was cyberbullying the pedophile rings, and
we got caught because we were talking about the abductions
from foster systems. It's part of the same things where
they were taking children and they were trafficking on them,
but they were running through the legal system of the
foster system, foster care, and what they were doing was
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scramb changing them from foster home to foster home and
trafficking back and forth till they lost paperwork and lost
ract of the children. And that's what they were allegedly
doing in that they were using them for trafficking and
sex and satanic rituals.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Possibly they were.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
The ones used for these experiments, you know, through the
Franklin files and the Finder's cult. I'm not going on
YouTube with this one. That would definitely floor me. I
got taken off the first time for it.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Like child protective Services, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, okay, so yeah, they were using all these front
agencies they're supposed to protect children and using them to
scramble the children into other homes that would mix up
the paperwork and lose them. And from this they had
psychological trauma programs and mind bending and alleged racer eraser
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of memories and these are again associated with MK ultra.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Some of them were.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Returned without memories subjects. They came back, they didn't. They
forgot who they were. But some of them, it's rumored
that got sent permanently through the portals. So I don't know.
I guess they're gone. I'm not laughing, just you know,
I'm laughing at the ridiculousness of possibly being fiction. But
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we hope it's not true, because I mean, I don't
know that they're sending them through these portals.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I don't know if we could prove that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
But there was a whistle there were a couple whistleblowers,
but like I said, nothing substantial that they can prove evidential,
that they have hard evidence. It's only speculative evidence. So
we have al Bellach that I mentioned. He claims that
he was both in the Philadelphia Experiment and Montac Project.
He claims to have time traveled to alternate life memories
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and describe traveling to twenty one thirty seven and twenty
seven forty nine AD. You know, we're in twenty twenty five.
That's one hundred and thirty seven and oh my gosh,
seven hundred years from now.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I find that hard to believe.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
You I what would he have found seven hundred years
from now? I think he would find of destroyed earth yep.
I don't know that he would find anything intellectual, but
he said he was mind wiped and given a different identity. Yeah,
of course he was. And then there's an electronic engineer
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named Preston Nichols claimed to work directly at Montac. He
did write a book he co authored, the Montalk Project,
Experiments in Time and described in detailed technology of the
Montak chair. That might have been what we were kind
of showing at one time we were telling about that.
And then there's Stuart Swoodlow. He claims to be a
(31:53):
Montalk survivor, talks about mind programming and hyperspace and the
alien an agenda. Of course that this could be okay,
So there could be smear campaigns that are happening to
bury the truths. However, it's very possible that they had
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people working under these things that they put under experimentation.
Could they have put thoughts in their head and making
them kind of elaborate more so so it makes them
seem crazy, so that if they did whistle blow, they
would have these Outlandis claims that that would go far
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and beyond what is possible to make them look like kooks.
Could probably I don't doubt that a lot of Yeah,
I don't doubt that a lot of these people that
are associated would be programmed and that they were give
like you have people saying I sat with an alien?
Really did you? I think I did? What if they
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were programmed to think that the scientists working on their
brain was an alien so that they could never reveal
the scientists, They just go into these fantasy alternative narratives
and then nobody will believe them. I was abducted and
brought to Mars. Well maybe you were brought to a
different level of the Montac chambers, you know what I mean.
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But you were told that if you come out of
it and you remember this, you're going to remember it
as aliens taking you to Venus. It's easy to do.
I mean, I'm just saying, of course, that's not proven either.
I'm just saying that's what a possible explanation of what
they could be doing, So we wonder if it could
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be real. There are military motives such as instant troop
deployment through time and space. Imagine that you just call
up a troop anytime and just call them up from
the past or resident seeing enemies plans before they happen.
You know, if you can ask to travel as to
travel to Germany or Russia and see what they're planning.
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I mean, come on, that's what they'd say they were doing.
You can alter historical events. I don't doubt they do that,
but not through time travel. I think they're doing it
by time manipulation of paperwork. I think they're just squashing
our history and making new books that are you know,
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to replace them. And then there's occult motives. Elites haven't
been tied to rituals and esoteric knowledge.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
There's manipulation in high level occultism. And then there's the
dangers of the ethical issues like time line manipulation. If
we could do this, what are we really doing? I
mean we we are watchers of movies and fantasy. Marvel
movies have has the the parallel universes all mixed throughout,
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and Doctor Strange is part of that. And even Iron
Man got wrapped up into it. And Doctor Strange warned
not to go back into the future or in the
past and alter it because you can devastate the whole
ripple of the timeline.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
And if you could do that, it's dangerous, that's all
we can say.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Right, yeah, really, it's very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Now, it could be cover up.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
It could be basically covering up for public backlash and
maintaining a power monopoly of ties into other things that
this distracts us, distracts us too, so that we don't
see what's really going on, that they're really putting larger
control systems for the deep state or new world order.
You know, if they could put up all these fronts,
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they could get our they could redirect us towards these
things that really don't matter or that we'll never find out,
and we sit there and have shows like this and
and basically ignore the real things they're doing.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
So I'm wondering if these are disinformation distractions to cover
other classified programs, if they're implanting false memories on purpose
making whistleblowers believe events happen to cover up trueops, or
that they're even putting these narratives like Mandela effects to
make people question whether they really believe anything, because if
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we believe everything can be altered, then we don't have
to believe in anything, because everything could be a lie,
everything could be altered, and everything could be manipulated. Therefore,
we don't have. You know, we don't have anything reliable
as a foundation, and we say, well, we do. We
have Jesus Christ, we have God. Yeah, if you can
alter the past and alter things that are happening in timelines,
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then you can alter my salvation and I won't know
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Possibly.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Now I have to fear that my salvation is under
interrogation from these manipulators of time travel. I'm not going
to go there. I'm not going to do that. I
don't believe they can manipulate my faith. So, you know,
do some of these things happen secretive government programs I believe, yes,
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underground bases, really possible, human experimental experimentations, absolutely, black site
mind control programs, YEP.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I believe. So we have proof of that, MK Ultra.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You know, all these projects operation whatever, we have, all
these we do know that they do this. Now do
we stretch it to time travel or quantum universe quantum
parallel universe jumping?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
And I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I don't think so I don't have to go there
to know that these experiments are enough for me to
say I don't like it. You know, So whether true
or not, Montalk fits the pattern of secretive sites, government denials,
technology and occult crossovers. And uh, I encourage you if
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you want to look into it and you think there's
something to it, dig in, you know, read some Montak
books and just keep in mind where the sources are,
keep in mind where the roots are, and keep in
mind if there's any actual evidence surfacing that can be produced.
So I leave it at that, So we'll end there, Darren,
my website is huh. I hope so, I hope we
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didn't bore anybody, but I hope we also, I hope
we didn't tease them.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I hope we didn't entice them.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
And you know, give them a teaser and they say, oh,
you guys, you guys are teasing us. Now, well, no,
we're just presenting discussion things. And I told.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
You they must have an exciting life. If this is, well,
it's boring.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
If they don't think about it and they don't want
to think about it and they think it's not true,
then it might be just oh it's boring to me.
It's they may as well talk about a Disney movie,
you know, because it's all fantasy to them. So it
might be boring to some people, but something interesting to
think about, and you know, whether you think it's real
or not. I just I'm presenting these things more so
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and so I can give my speculation and my conclusions.
And my conclusion is that I don't believe some of it,
and some of it I would say it's potentially possible.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
So they're all right.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
My website Jim Duke Perspective dot com. Thank you for
listening and we will see you next time.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
God bless
Wake Up Radio Network.
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A rational voice in a world of conspiracy. Jim Duke Perspective.
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
How's it going, Darren, Jim, I'm doing really good. Thanks,
it's good to be back. And how long has we
were off for? I was offered quite a while.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
You're off for a few months.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah. I had a big vacation.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, Unfortunately I didn't get I was double duty and
trying to get this going, and I didn't have I
didn't have access to any of my mics. They were
all stored, and I didn't have my setup because I
didn't have my computer or a place to put it
because I was building, So I had to record off
my iPhone. That's what the sessions were recorded the past month.
(00:55):
But nobody seemed to care that much. But we're back.
I got my my mic phone. I found my equipment
in storage Microsoft. Yeah, yeah, my microphone I lost, I
lost my some of my equipment.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I found that.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So, uh, what do you What do you know about
the Montac project.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, it's something that has been probably going on longer
than the project itself. I'm sure, you know, I'll bet
there was secret covert operations that were in effect prior
to that, and they just made that known, you know,
pretending that they didn't want it to be publicized. And
it's being implemented on us now and probably alternate ways.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Well, you know, there's so much controversy.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Some people said it's been fantasy, it's it's been speculated,
and there's no real whistleblowers that came out. I mean,
there are some there's some people that claimed they were
part of the project and stuff after Himsis or after
after some kind of delusions or something. But we tend
to wonder if they can be proven, because nothing's been proven.
(02:12):
It's all been speculated. There's movies on it, there's articles
on it, there's a lot of wild conspiracy theories on it,
and but I don't think there's any factual, presented evidence
of the actual things that are going on.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, if you're saying that it's not scientifically possible, that's
not a valid statement because we look at like, for instance,
ELF towers extremely low frequency, we have GWEN towers, ground
wave emergency network towers, you know, transmitting frequencies that can
has been proven scientifically to alter a person's mental cognitance
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and their thought patterns everything. So it's it's not that
it's not scientifically possible. The question is did it occur?
Is that what you're saying right?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Well, no, you got to point there because a lot
of the things that are claimed have been speculated as happening,
because we have had evidence of other things scientifically. Like
you said, I agree with you there, But what if
the black projects that are associated with Montalk weren't just
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about that stuff or weapons, but about the other things
that you can't really prove. They say it was about
time travel, contacting entities from other dimensions and different things
like that. I don't know if that gets more into
the speculative aspects, but just a brief definition of the
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Montalk project. Allegedly, it's a program that's conducted at Camp
Hero in Montalk, Long Island. How far away is Montalk
from us?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Well, it's actually towards the tip of Long Island. It
would be a drive from Albany. It's probably close to
one hundred and eighty miles. I'd say it's because Long
Island is I figure how long that is? From tip
to tip, but probably close, like I think it's like
seventy miles, don't quote me. But and then from Albany
to the base of you know, like Manhattan would be
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another I think it's one sixty when sixty so we're
looking at you know, it's a good drive, but s
so it's not that far. And then with the way
they crow fry fries flies fried crow, it would be
you know, like it would only be you know, maybe
one hundred miles one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, so so it's really only a few hours from.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Us, yep.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And people don't realize how close it is. We're folks,
We're in the We're in the gut of this uh trash.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
We got Quomo on one side, we have what's that
next to him on the other side of us.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, we have we pray for us people.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
We have the Marina Abrahmaveka Witch, Hollywood Witch that Jay
Z and Lady Gaga go to write.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Down twenty miles from from us.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
And yeah, sure there's other secret things they know about,
you know, but this is conduct things that were conducted
at this camp hero they say in the seventies and eighties.
But I think it's been going wasn't it going on
longer than that?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Actually, I'm not sure, I get.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I get like the most of the experience was experiments
for seventies and eighties, but it's linked to mind control,
time travel, interdimensional experiments, and but the official narrative is
it's an abandoned radar station, and the rest of his
conspiracy fiction, the fringe narrative is that it's underground labs, kidnapping,
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kidnap children, and dangerous technology. They had, they had stories
or legends of like creatures coming out of it. And
I can picture what's that island of Doctor Moreau, remember that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yes, seventies. I remember my sister and I watch that.
I'm like, this is creepy, But it's reality.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Isn't that kind of what it was based on? Like
the hybrid the mutated creatures and stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Well, you know, the Bible says in Genesis prior to
the flood, the Bible says that all flesh was corrupt.
That includes like animals in a general sense, not just humans.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
And they're all at Montak, right.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I'll tell you it was very weird. That's just like
a hybridization. I actually seen it on YouTube. Was a
part human, part frog. It was just born there was
it real or it was real? Oh yeah, it was real.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
They're slapping it to keep it going. But I guess
it survived.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I seen the one that was like a fish or
pig and something else or.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Somebody said, that's like a carved like a like a
clay was laying on the ground.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So that was fake.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
That one was fake, But this.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Mine was fake and yours is real. Yep, you gather,
so you debunked mine, but you validate yours.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I don't think the government's not like uh, formulating these
crazy hybridized you know, cruss genetic utated genes of different
humans and animals.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You know, what's God? What does he do with that?
When they stand?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know, when that thing dies, it's is it gonna
have a soul like the Nephilim?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Now, now they say covering these experiments, underground tunnels still exist,
but over it is now a tourist attraction. It's a park,
like wow, so they they opened it up. It's now
like a park with a facility on it. But they
say it still has access to underground labs and stuff.
(07:50):
But we don't we don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Do we.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I know the government has a lot of stuff going underground.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, but why would they put a park right over
it so.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
They can Disney World?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Underneath the Disney World is another the biggest mind programming
UH station. You know, if I hear that song one
more time, I'm gonna croak.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Magic going there.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I haven't been there, but imagine going there and hearing
that over and over again, the song It's a Small
World or whatever they play. Uh. I know people that
go there every year, they love it. They destined to
go there. I have no desire. I have no interest.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yep. And to do with children.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I just it's I would I regret having a Mickey
Mouse watch when I was little.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I would probably deny a ticket. I don't want to go.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
So now the origins in the background of the Montaka
associated it. It's got a connection to the Philadelphia experiment.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I was just I was just going to say that, wow,
because it's close to you know where it took place.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
But that was in nineteen forty three. But there was
a Navy ship that supposedly transcended visibility. It became invisible
time Displacement experiment, where survivors later tied to the Montac project.
They said, and it's a uss Eldridge invisibility experiment, supposedly
(09:21):
a failed attempt at radar cloaking resulting in teleportation time displacement.
How do you approve that?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
The credible out in this account showed that the guys
were actually infused within the deck. When they returned back
to the location, they weren't standing on the deck. They
were like amalgamated with the metal on an atomic level
their cells and their bodies, so they're like stuck their screaming.
Did they prove that well, credible accounts were describing it,
(09:52):
and they were just we're gonna have photographs. But I
know it's speculative, but it's you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
See, That's what I mean, is there's not yeah, like
whenever you have these things, it's either really squashed so
you can never see it, or it's highly speculative, where
the whistleblowers are sort of questionable. You can't prove that
they're right or not. So I could tell you a
fiction story. We've proved this before. I could tell you
a fiction story and say it happened to me and
(10:19):
there's no way for you to prove it, and there's
no way for me to prove it happened, so you'd
have to take my word for it.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
I just don't trust anybody.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
There was survivors like al Bailick who claimed that they
were that he was a later recruited into the Montak
project in the nineteen seventies, and he kind of testifies
to some of these things. But of course, you know,
they say that, oh he's not he's not credible, But.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
You know, now, the Camp Hero Air Force Station was
closed in nineteen sixty nine, but the thing that they're
saying is that it allegedly continued underground. It's above ground.
They decommissioned the Cold War radar tower. That's what they said.
(11:08):
This thing was involving an underground, multi level underground bases
with labs, dormitories, and chambers for experiments. Now I'm gonna
say this, I don't doubt that there are underground bases,
because we have them here in Albany. There is in Washington,
d C. People have claimed to see it, like Kathy
(11:30):
O'Brien claims there are underground passages where they're transporting people
they said they were trafficking people through the tunnels, and
so I don't doubt that it's possible. Now, when I
say that, I can't prove it is legit because I
don't know. But it's weird that people did. They heard
(11:53):
like tremors underground in the area, like they were tunneling
something like tunneling miss. Yeah, so these things lead to
our speculation, but they don't really lead to our evidence.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Well, I'll tell you I heard Walmart has in some
stores actually have underground tunnels and bases in it.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I've heard that too.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And that six star logo that they have for Walmart
that's actually the order bore that drills through rock.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So why would they have that as their display?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, hey, they just stay this part of these cult secret.
Uh you know things they do is just they put
things out and open for us to see. But we
don't know what exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
But why would they choose the boor I'd rather see
them choose prison cells because they're going to encamp people
and closed down Walmart's That's what we were told on
that too. Don't they use prison bars as their logo?
You know, if they're going to go that far, but
I don't know. I I rather think that the h
the image is a hexagram, and it's a secret hexagram.
That's what I picture it as because it's got the
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six sides. But anyway, you know, again, we don't know.
But but to your point, Walmart has contracts, government contracts
and affiliations, and uh they do say you know, I
hear rumors that there are they are other facilities that
they utilize it for, so kind of the same type
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of things. I mean they're doing. I don't know what
are they doing in the tunnels underneath Walmart? Are they
are they secretly making toys? I don't know what are
they doing.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I'm sure it's for something nefarious or you know.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
But there's a funding mystery with with Moontak too. It's
rumors that it's funded by the Nazi gold recovered after
World War.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Two, that it's crossover with MK ultra funding.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I don't doubt that because it's tied with the Operation
paper Clip scientists and they they run the black budgets,
are are run like CIA. We mentioned this once before.
Did we mention this or did I do this myself?
I talked about the CIA funding recently. I think I
did one of these on my own. So what I
(14:04):
found out, Darren, is that the CIA are not funded
by the government. There are the agency is the staff maybe,
but the projects aren't. They're funded by alternative funding programs
and black funding, black market funding. So in other words,
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they use their affiliations of porn and trafficking and things
like that to build funds for the CIA experiments. Why
do you think they do that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well, I just gotta say, I'm glad we're not funding
it tax payers.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Okay, that's a good point. But why do you think
they're doing it that way?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'll give you question.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I'll tell you why. Because if it is government funding,
it would have ties into accountability and they would be
up for audit or for question, and they could be
shut down by the government and and they'd have to
be transparent about what they're doing. But if they're funded
outside the government, by black funds, by alternative mystery funds,
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they don't have to account to anything. They can do
their experiments, nobody can shut them down because they control
their own projects. See, I mean, it's outside the confines
of accountability of government.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
That's why they do this.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
So this this is said to be of the same
kind of funding funding.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
It's uh.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Now, there's other similar bases that exist allegedly, like Dulce
Dulce Base in New Mexico, the Right Patterson AFB in Ohio.
But why was Montac chosen? Possibly because it's a remote area.
(16:00):
Maybe uh it's got expansion abilities, maybe access to the
sea ways, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Could also be perhaps lay lines underneath, could be something.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But some of these experiments that are alleged, uh, they're
they're in the fringe networks and but they there there's uh,
there's a speculation of mind control, psychic amplification. So these
are like mk ultra style CIA interests of of breaking
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minds and programming minds. And then they had the moon
Tak chair.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
You ever hear that, uh Montac shair No, I never
heard that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
That's the combination of electronics and psychic subjects where the
device allegedly hnces enhances uh, the abilities of the person
that sits in the chair and it gives them ultimate
psychic projections. So in other words, astral projection, like it
enhances your ability to astro project I told this on
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another episode, might have been even last week. Yeah, I did.
I told you about the astral travel experiments I did,
and this would this would blow me out of the water.
I mean, if I could do it, then imagine if
I had this chair what I could do.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Because I was able to do it before.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Now, I don't think the result of what I was
doing was ultimately scientific or even metaphysical. I think it
was more spiritual. So the ability to project my mind
someplace else may have transcend science. And it may not
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be my mind in my state of mind, or my
ability or the physical ability to do it. May have
been my willingness to invite or invoke a spirit and
have the spirit using me to input information in my
head to make me think I'm remote viewing, but it
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was feeding me information.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
How do we know? We don't cross over on that.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
So how do we know that this Montac chair that
enhances his people's psychic ability isn't an ultimate spiritual demonic
enhancer to summon demons to give them ultimate permission to
really feed the subject.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Ye, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
That very possible.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Absolutely, So do you wanna do you wanna take bets
on that? You want to? You want to take your
chance on that?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I wouldn't thank so they're also doing projects of thought
forms into physical reality. I think this is uh, there's
there's Nikola uh Testless principles of magnifying psychic abilities, and
but pushing also thought forms into reality. So what's that mean?
Thinking something to exist? I don't think we can do
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that yet. And if we can, you gotta let me know,
because then people would be conjuring stuff all the time.
Matter of fact, I need to conjure a couple hundred dollars.
I gotta, I gotta pay something off, you know, conjure
my studio. I could have conjured one instead of built one.
Wouldn't that have been convenient to have just fought my
(19:34):
studio in existence?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
And here it is.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It sort of happened that way, Darren, But I had
to labor to do it. I did think it, but
I had to labor to get it done. I don't
think my studio would have been built by me just
going away and dreaming that my studio is built, and
then popping downstairs and finding that I have a full studio.
I don't think it's gonna work that way. But the
(20:01):
subjects were gifted in psychic ability. They said they hosted
children with unusual abilities military recruits trained through trauma based
mind control, and the goal is remote viewing, remote influencing,
or mass mind manipulation practicing. So that's what these experiments
may have done. But what about the time travel and
(20:23):
dimensional portals that they talked about associated with this thing.
It's claim to allow travel to specific years or even
alternate timelines, both past and future. So it's like a
time machine. So if we have a time machine and
this is it, what what are we doing wasting our time?
(20:45):
Let's just go and get take care of it. The
fact that people say they have seen this thing or
been there or whatever, and the fact that they can't
produce evidence, and the fact that no one really benefits
from it, like we don't see it, we don't know
about it, and it remains sort of a story or
a legend. We can't come out and say we absolutely
(21:09):
know this exists. We can only say what's spin a ledge?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Right, it's right?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
So I mean, is it possible to time travel? I
don't know. I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
People will claim it is, and I know we have
theories on Mandela effects and stuff like that. By the way,
that was just dubbed by a new Agero who had
a experience about Mandela and dubbed this term, and then
people psychologically went out and tried to find other evidences
that timeline's been switched and quantum parallel universes have been crossed.
(21:42):
It was all based on this one new ager who
claims that Mandela didn't Mandela died in prison when many
of us remember him coming out of prison, and it
caused the controversy of people starting to question what they remembered.
That's how this whole thing came about. But proven, I
don't know if you could prove quantum fix I don't
(22:03):
think you could prove quantum parallel timelines.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
They haven't proved it yet. They only have.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Speculated the theory of it and said it's scientific. But
it's no more scientific than me saying I'm going to
produce a pick elephant in my room. I just don't
want to show you what it is. I mean, you know,
I don't know. I questioned these things. But they claim
they've been to ancient Egypt with this thing, that they've
(22:31):
been to Mars Darren. They've been to Mars Colony and
this is tied to Project Pegasus.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
They claim that they recovered.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Tesla's experiments from nineteen forty three, and of course it's
always connected to CERN and Stargate, Stargate. We mentioned Project Stargate.
It's different than the Trump Stargate of the Golden Age
that he questioned that he that he mentioned Stargate was
(23:05):
the psychic program of the CIA. So I think we
have mentioned this time tunnel and this people that witnessed
a sketch. They have a sketch of this machine that's
allegedly was a time machine, and I think that was Unmontac.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Didn't we talk about that once before?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yes, we did.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, keep in mind they have predictive programming and Back
to the Future with that movie.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, so if you want to get into that, then yeah,
there is a lot of hints in culture, in fiction
to these possible programs, hinting or predictive programming, the possibility
of their true existence. And that's also all we have
(23:53):
is really just speculative film. I haven't seen it, but
did you see the Do you ever see the show
Oh Stranger Things? No, I'm told that's a mimic of
the Montac experiments. They have hints to it in it
(24:13):
in the show. And you mentioned Back to the Future Yep,
we got that. And uh, I mean there's a lot
of things that are that are so There's there's that
Teleporter show or movie whatever where they travel with different
parts and and you know materialize in other places Star
(24:34):
Trek materializing and de materializing. So a lot of these
things have been in predictive programming.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Sure makes you wonder, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, so, but again, you know, you can make up anything.
When you want to talk about something that is possible,
you can't say necessarily that it's absolute or happening. You
can can only say it's speculating as possible. Because we
could come up with as fictions of everything that could happen.
(25:07):
You and I could sit here and talk about tons
of things that we suspect may be possible and may
be happening and make accusations that this must be happening,
but it doesn't necessarily mean it is happening. There's talk
(25:28):
about Montak being associated with ET technology Exchange program.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
I guess exchange. You know, that's the ultimate exchange program.
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
You remember when you were a kid and you had
you were in school and you were part of a
band or something, uh, the school band, and you had
these exchange programs where you you visited somebody in Canada,
uh and joined their community for a little while, and
then they came here and joined your community for a
little while. And this is et technology exchange program. Imagine
(25:57):
that I'm going to exchange place is with somebody from
uh name one of those planets that they talk about
that are out there, Palladium or something or whatever.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Plates.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I'm going to exchange student with an alien from Plates.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
That's the ultimate exchange.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well the plates are the stars star.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Clus what's the one that they talk about with the
planet the mystery planets and stuff that they say life is,
aliens come from or whatever.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
I don't yeah, and that's something.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Like that, but it's I thought it was like whatever,
but uh yeah, So imagine that, and you know, the
the alien from Platius or whatever will come here and
say you brought me here to this trash heap.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I don't think they want to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So all right, So we talked about the time travel,
We talked about the chair contact with non human entities.
These are opening portals that they talk about associated with
cern and stuff. So these are portals of interdimensional gateways,
and we know what happens when you report there's a
(27:06):
report of alien grays, reptilian beings, and something that's called
the beast that psychically got manifested here gone wrong. Now,
you and I have a different aspect of what we
mean when we say interdimensional portals, right, we probably are
talking more about demonic spirits being brought here, summoned here,
(27:31):
or us used as a conduit to give invite them here,
breaking into the interdimensional realms of where the spiritual is
to help them manifest. That's I think that's more spiritual.
It's it's part of it's almost a cultic. It's like witchcraft.
(27:55):
It's more along the lines of that Satanism is more
than it is scientifically experimental.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
But then we have the dangerous stuff, the stuff that's
rumored to be human experimentation, like missing children. There's been
possible abductions from foster system systems. Street kids are even
recruited in And we lost our channel, our YouTube channel
because we explored some of these foster systems, and I
(28:29):
was called cyberbullying. I was cyberbullying the pedophile rings, and
we got caught because we were talking about the abductions
from foster systems. It's part of the same things where
they were taking children and they were trafficking on them,
but they were running through the legal system of the
foster system, foster care, and what they were doing was
(28:51):
scramb changing them from foster home to foster home and
trafficking back and forth till they lost paperwork and lost
ract of the children. And that's what they were allegedly
doing in that they were using them for trafficking and
sex and satanic rituals.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Possibly they were.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
The ones used for these experiments, you know, through the
Franklin files and the Finder's cult. I'm not going on
YouTube with this one. That would definitely floor me. I
got taken off the first time for it.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Like child protective Services, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, okay, so yeah, they were using all these front
agencies they're supposed to protect children and using them to
scramble the children into other homes that would mix up
the paperwork and lose them. And from this they had
psychological trauma programs and mind bending and alleged racer eraser
(29:54):
of memories and these are again associated with MK ultra.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Some of them were.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Returned without memories subjects. They came back, they didn't. They
forgot who they were. But some of them, it's rumored
that got sent permanently through the portals. So I don't know.
I guess they're gone. I'm not laughing, just you know,
I'm laughing at the ridiculousness of possibly being fiction. But
(30:22):
we hope it's not true, because I mean, I don't
know that they're sending them through these portals.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
I don't know if we could prove that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
But there was a whistle there were a couple whistleblowers,
but like I said, nothing substantial that they can prove evidential,
that they have hard evidence. It's only speculative evidence. So
we have al Bellach that I mentioned. He claims that
he was both in the Philadelphia Experiment and Montac Project.
He claims to have time traveled to alternate life memories
(30:53):
and describe traveling to twenty one thirty seven and twenty
seven forty nine AD. You know, we're in twenty twenty five.
That's one hundred and thirty seven and oh my gosh,
seven hundred years from now.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I find that hard to believe.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
You I what would he have found seven hundred years
from now? I think he would find of destroyed earth yep.
I don't know that he would find anything intellectual, but
he said he was mind wiped and given a different identity. Yeah,
of course he was. And then there's an electronic engineer
(31:31):
named Preston Nichols claimed to work directly at Montac. He
did write a book he co authored, the Montalk Project,
Experiments in Time and described in detailed technology of the
Montak chair. That might have been what we were kind
of showing at one time we were telling about that.
And then there's Stuart Swoodlow. He claims to be a
(31:53):
Montalk survivor, talks about mind programming and hyperspace and the
alien an agenda. Of course that this could be okay,
So there could be smear campaigns that are happening to
bury the truths. However, it's very possible that they had
(32:18):
people working under these things that they put under experimentation.
Could they have put thoughts in their head and making
them kind of elaborate more so so it makes them
seem crazy, so that if they did whistle blow, they
would have these Outlandis claims that that would go far
(32:41):
and beyond what is possible to make them look like kooks.
Could probably I don't doubt that a lot of Yeah,
I don't doubt that a lot of these people that
are associated would be programmed and that they were give
like you have people saying I sat with an alien?
Really did you? I think I did? What if they
(33:01):
were programmed to think that the scientists working on their
brain was an alien so that they could never reveal
the scientists, They just go into these fantasy alternative narratives
and then nobody will believe them. I was abducted and
brought to Mars. Well maybe you were brought to a
different level of the Montac chambers, you know what I mean.
(33:25):
But you were told that if you come out of
it and you remember this, you're going to remember it
as aliens taking you to Venus. It's easy to do.
I mean, I'm just saying, of course, that's not proven either.
I'm just saying that's what a possible explanation of what
they could be doing, So we wonder if it could
(33:49):
be real. There are military motives such as instant troop
deployment through time and space. Imagine that you just call
up a troop anytime and just call them up from
the past or resident seeing enemies plans before they happen.
You know, if you can ask to travel as to
travel to Germany or Russia and see what they're planning.
(34:10):
I mean, come on, that's what they'd say they were doing.
You can alter historical events. I don't doubt they do that,
but not through time travel. I think they're doing it
by time manipulation of paperwork. I think they're just squashing
our history and making new books that are you know,
(34:31):
to replace them. And then there's occult motives. Elites haven't
been tied to rituals and esoteric knowledge.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
There's manipulation in high level occultism. And then there's the
dangers of the ethical issues like time line manipulation. If
we could do this, what are we really doing? I
mean we we are watchers of movies and fantasy. Marvel
movies have has the the parallel universes all mixed throughout,
(35:04):
and Doctor Strange is part of that. And even Iron
Man got wrapped up into it. And Doctor Strange warned
not to go back into the future or in the
past and alter it because you can devastate the whole
ripple of the timeline.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
And if you could do that, it's dangerous, that's all
we can say.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Right, yeah, really, it's very dangerous.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Now, it could be cover up.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
It could be basically covering up for public backlash and
maintaining a power monopoly of ties into other things that
this distracts us, distracts us too, so that we don't
see what's really going on, that they're really putting larger
control systems for the deep state or new world order.
You know, if they could put up all these fronts,
(35:49):
they could get our they could redirect us towards these
things that really don't matter or that we'll never find out,
and we sit there and have shows like this and
and basically ignore the real things they're doing.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
So I'm wondering if these are disinformation distractions to cover
other classified programs, if they're implanting false memories on purpose
making whistleblowers believe events happen to cover up trueops, or
that they're even putting these narratives like Mandela effects to
make people question whether they really believe anything, because if
(36:28):
we believe everything can be altered, then we don't have
to believe in anything, because everything could be a lie,
everything could be altered, and everything could be manipulated. Therefore,
we don't have. You know, we don't have anything reliable
as a foundation, and we say, well, we do. We
have Jesus Christ, we have God. Yeah, if you can
alter the past and alter things that are happening in timelines,
(36:51):
then you can alter my salvation and I won't know
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Possibly.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Now I have to fear that my salvation is under
interrogation from these manipulators of time travel. I'm not going
to go there. I'm not going to do that. I
don't believe they can manipulate my faith. So, you know,
do some of these things happen secretive government programs I believe, yes,
(37:17):
underground bases, really possible, human experimental experimentations, absolutely, black site
mind control programs, YEP.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I believe. So we have proof of that, MK Ultra.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You know, all these projects operation whatever, we have, all
these we do know that they do this. Now do
we stretch it to time travel or quantum universe quantum
parallel universe jumping?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
And I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I don't think so I don't have to go there
to know that these experiments are enough for me to
say I don't like it. You know, So whether true
or not, Montalk fits the pattern of secretive sites, government denials,
technology and occult crossovers. And uh, I encourage you if
(38:13):
you want to look into it and you think there's
something to it, dig in, you know, read some Montak
books and just keep in mind where the sources are,
keep in mind where the roots are, and keep in
mind if there's any actual evidence surfacing that can be produced.
So I leave it at that, So we'll end there, Darren,
my website is huh. I hope so, I hope we
(38:38):
didn't bore anybody, but I hope we also, I hope
we didn't tease them.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
I hope we didn't entice them.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
And you know, give them a teaser and they say, oh,
you guys, you guys are teasing us. Now, well, no,
we're just presenting discussion things. And I told.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
You they must have an exciting life. If this is, well,
it's boring.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
If they don't think about it and they don't want
to think about it and they think it's not true,
then it might be just oh it's boring to me.
It's they may as well talk about a Disney movie,
you know, because it's all fantasy to them. So it
might be boring to some people, but something interesting to
think about, and you know, whether you think it's real
or not. I just I'm presenting these things more so
(39:23):
and so I can give my speculation and my conclusions.
And my conclusion is that I don't believe some of it,
and some of it I would say it's potentially possible.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
So they're all right.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
My website Jim Duke Perspective dot com. Thank you for
listening and we will see you next time.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
God bless
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