Yellowstone - S02E03/04 - The Reek of Desperation/Only Devils Left

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Episode Transcript

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This is a Bramble Jam podcast.Hello, Hello, welcome back to John

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Dutton Must Die. My name isJustin Kirkland. I'm here with my co
host Daniel Thompson. What's up man. You guys just got back from Bramble
Fat. We sure did, andit was in town so I didn't travel
anywhere. But boy, howdy,you missed a time, justin you missed
a time. I feel left outand I don't even think I'm allowed to
phrase it like that because it's myown. Yeah, you were invited,

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm bad at mail, you know.
I mean, but there was therewas karaoke people saying saying Reba.
I mean there was a duet wherethey sing fancy. You could have been
up there for that. I mean, so you know it's your your loss,
your loss. But next year,yeah, say what Brandon, I
did closing time to end the night. Um, but my voice, my

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voice was worse than this. SoI was shot. And that happened last
year. And I love a goodkaraoke. So but the people that were
performing, I mean, they crushedit. It was great. You know,
two hours could have gone four easily. So that yeah, next year,
you're coming yes, I will bethere one hundred percent next year.
You heard it here, folks tomourn the uh the death of Yellowstone,

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that's right, which is now goingto get reruns on CBS Justine on Sundays.
Yeah, for like two hours.Let me ask you this, who
hasn't seen this show that they're tryingto target that has a CBS Is this
just a sixty minutes is over?I'll just keep it on situation. At

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the risk of being offensive to someYellowstone viewers, we would never I feel
like this is a big opportunity becauselike CBS is like it's it's where the
drama lives, blue Blood. Itshows with letters jag CSI in cis exactly.

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It's like it's just one giant anagram, not anagram. That's not it.
I've done it again. It's acrossIt's not anagram. I can tell
you that right now. Across stickit's yeah, it's not. It's acronym
acronym. Agram. Anagram is whenyou like mix up the letters are all
mixed up. Correct, you canread it back and forth. No,

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that's not an anagram. No no, no, no, no, no,
no, that's that's a that's I'mgonna let you leave me alone.
That's not a hold on you.Now, I'm going to blake. That's
a palindrome. And anagram is whenthe letters are all mixed up, so
it's like tallendrome is like race cardback and forth. Dale Earnhardt's best car

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was a sixty seven pallyndrome. Thatis true. And anagram is like meat
is an anagram for team that actuallywould know. Yeah, meat is an
anagram for team, same letters,but anagram, that's what that is.
I think insisting that Annah only weighsa Graham contributing to unrealistic beauty standards.

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But yeah, in twenty twenty three, we would never, we would never,
we would never try. What Iwas saying about CBS is I feel
like it's an opportunity because the demographicfor CBS doesk you a bit older,
that there are some people that arelike just holdouts on the streaming world.
Yeah, those few, but maybehaven't seen it even though well, I

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guess that doesn't count, does it, because it's Paramountain Network. Here's what
I would say, now that I'mthinking of it out loud. They're gonna
have to edit this show for CBS, clearly. Yeah, And I bet
you there are people that wouldn't watchthe current version that would watch an edited
version, and that's who they're probablytargeting, because that's a pretty good swath

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of people who are like, Idon't want any efforts in my television,
but give me a good Kevin Costnersaves the Ranch and I'm here for it.
Which, you know what I amgoing to say, This is an
opportunity for our listeners because if youreally want to seem like you're in the
know, because I'm assuming they're goingto start with season one, Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, that's what Iread like two paragraphs on it, and
it said that if you really wantto be in the know, you can
share our podcast with me. Yeah, as they start watching it on CBS
and tell them to skip straight toepisode nine in our podcasts for an episode
one of Yellowstone, that's what theyshould do, exactly. No, there's

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an opportunity. I feel like Ifeel like we might get to connect with
some new people, some newbies whocome along the way, which is why
I'm really really pushing for us totry these spoilers out of episodes. Yeause
I feel like we are not goodat that. I feel terrible about what
I've said about Jamie Dutton so farlike awful. But I'm here to change

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it. I'm gonna say less abouthim and what happens in the future and
stay in the present. That's whatI'm gonna do from now on, say
less. That's right, Yeah,exactly. For those of you who are
watching on CBS finding this episode monthsafter we've released it, Merry Christmas and
for some reason have started in themiddle of season two, let me give

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you a little bit of a rundownof how these things work. So what
Dan and I are doing is we'regoing from season one all the way to
the end, tackling a couple episodeseach week. Of course, if you've
gotten this far, you know we'reon season two. But we start each
episode of a little back and forth, little Yellowstone News, little Bramble jam
news, if you will. Ifyou're a Hallmark fan, decks, the

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Hallmark podcast is the flagship podcasts.Check that out, thanks so much.
Just theres a dynamite drop in whichis which is really honestly phenomenal because it's
not like I'm good at dropping anythingelse in here. So we do a
little bit of that. I doa recap of the couple episodes that we're
talking about this week. The episodesare The Reek of Desperation and Only Devil's

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Left. We do something called Bunkhousetable talk where we talk about our favorite
parts of each episode and the thingsthat made us scratch our head and the
thing that made us cheer. Thenwe do an in memorium for those that
we have lost in the two episodesthat we have watched. So you already
got the first part, Dan,would you like for me to do a
little recap? I would, Butbefore you do that, justin last time

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we did this show, I believewe had thirty six Apple reviews. Now
we know way more of you listento the podcast, and it's growing every
week, which I've not told youjustin, but we were. We were
doing great when we finished season five, and then we stopped and we kind
of like lost half of those listeners. But we're growing every week. It's
crushing it. We're doing great andif you could drop us a five star

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that would be great. We wentfrom thirty six to forty seven reviews,
and in my I guess desperate attemptto fish for some compliments, I flagged
a few down I don't know whothis is as passa terrace, I would
be my best guest at this namebest podcast by Christian single mom. That's

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you nicely done, amen. Ilove Justin so very much his laugh inability
to pronounce things correctly and hot takesare a marvel to behold. But I'm
really here for Daniel Thompson, whohas a voice that melts chocolates, especially
this week, and wit that issharper than Vermont's finest Cheddar. The podcast
provides deep insights into the Duttons,They're crazy, high jinks, and other

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random television shows, movies, philosophies, political theories, best shopping malls,
etc. Here's to ten more years, fellas well. There's a lot to
digest there. But I'll say this, if this show's on in ten years,
we're rich. We're rich, justinbeyond our wildest imaginations. So there's
that. Here's I'd love to dothis for ten more years. I would

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love to do this for ten moreyears. And I haven't been to a
shopping mall in years, so Iwould like I would like to take our
our earnings. Yeah, go ona little shopping spree, maybe even get
my ear Pierced Claire's. Yeah,here, get myself an ant and anti
nds for anti ends pretzels, yes, anti ens pretzel of course. And

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then you could go over to hottopic. We could get some light scared.
Yeah, it's a lot a lotSpencer's Gifts. Maybe, Um I
was. I was such a fragilechild, uh, Spencer's and a hot
topic like scared me. Like Ithink that my parents had a little bit
of carry over from the eighties whenit came to like satanic panic. Yeah,

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yeah, I'm like that really rubbedoff and I was like, I'm
not walking in there. There's badjuji that happens in there. There's bad
juju that happens in Spencer's Gifts.Well, and in the back there was
some there was some questions, someshady stuff. Exactly what I know,
exactly what you're talking about. Iwasn't allowed to go in Spencer's Gifts as
a kid. Um. Then Igot I got into the punk rock scene
a little bit in the nineties,and I definitely went to hot topic.

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And yeah, I was big SKApunk guy in the nineties. Yeah,
true story, like this, inthe in the pit, seriously, in
the pit shoving people around, throwingmy fists in the air, the whole
thing, justin true story. Iguess this is a good transition to let
you guys know that our next podcastis gonna be SKA. I will do

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a SKA podcast with anyone who wouldlisten, and it would be called it
would be called The scot And Ido need to be clear about that upfront.
Perfect. Yeah, absolutely, itwould be a clear transition for us.
But we do have when you cometo Greenville, justin we do have
one of the biggest, like mostpopular malls this side of the Mall of

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Georgia around and it's, you know, three miles from the studio, and
it on a Tuesday afternoon, itis slammed and I don't understand it,
but occasionally we go just to wonderwhat's going on. Yeah, yeah,
my kids love it. They thinkit's the best place on the planet.
So love to I would love toswing into an Abercrombie and Fitch for like
five minutes and get a tension headachefrom the smell. Yeah, yeah,

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I'm sure that would still happen.I'm not walking to the one of those
in a long time. Yeah,I was the guy justin. I was
the guy that got a white HaynesT shirt in high school and sharpied Abercrombie
on it and wore it. That'swhat I did from time to time.
So sorry, I'm sorry for whoI was. Since you made the big

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reveal it used to be a bigathlete in high school, I'm like,
no, we wouldn't have been friends, but you keep dropping these little things
and I'm like, oh, yeah, I think we would have. Yeah,
no, we would have. Wewould have. I was a weird
dude, man. I just wasyou know, academic team, Bible Quiz
team, five sports, Abercromie HaynesT shirt. Just just this me my
high school in a nutshell right there. I'm gonna give you this and then

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I'm gonna do a recap because Iwas really anxious about changing in the locker
room. I don't know, Ijust felt like something bad was going to
happen in so I wouldn't And Iwould come to school like middle and high
school, and I would wear awhat is it, It's like a polo
shirt ye on top of like anundershirt, but then breakaway pants on the

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bottom because breakaway pants were just likeallowed. So I would get in there,
and ironically enough, it wasn't thepants that broke away. I would
be like goodbye, and then Iwould have like an undershirt and breakaway pants,
go and run like a seventeen minutemile. Yeah, then come and
put the polo back on and belike four more periods of the day,

(12:11):
baby, let's do this. Andit was gross. Yeah, I that
is. I think I did thatin sixth grade. In sixth grade,
I had breakaway not the polo godno, but the breakaway pants. Yeah.
But I do feel like ninety fiveto ZH five we had you know,
there was closing was way bag ear, and so I do feel like

(12:31):
you could get away with it froma standpoint of not looking like way different
than anyone else that goes to schoolbecause you know, and you know my
note, never a kneecap would beseen with shorts when I was in high
school, like, you know,way past the knee Jinko's. I didn't
know I had kneecaps until like threeyears ago. No, it's crazy.
Yeah, all of a sudden,you know, twenty twelve hits and I

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was like, huh, interesting,seven inches seems shorts. Crazy. I'm
going to put this out there asa teaser, and then I'm want to
do a recap or remind me totalk about this next week, about how
I thought that an achilles tendon No, no, was you know how like
there are things that like are genetic, like whether or not your ear loans

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or just or not. No,oh yeah, everybody in his family has
an achilles tendon. Yeah, Ithought that those were genetic because I always
for the longest time until I becamelike in my twenties, like I was
always just like a chunky kid,so I just never saw them on They

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were just covered by yea. Yeah, no, that's fair. Yeah.
And then like and then I likelost this wade and came into like my
adult body, and I was like, oh my god, I've got him.
You got him. Old people outloud, I was validicctorian in my
high school, Like I was likefull ride in college. I told people
out loud, I thought these werea genetic disposition. Come out. Were
you validictorian of your high school?Yeah? Wow, justin we would not

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have been friends. You're right.I just all that I did in high
school was pick out Great Breakaway Pans. Yeah, duh. Watched every single
episode of Reba with my parents onFriday night and then studied crazy study study
baby wow. I did not knowthis justin I was ninth in my class,

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but I did not take a bookhome. And also my class only
had like sixty people in it,so you know different. Although I was
really good friends with our valuatorian.So should we have a separate podcast where
we just talk about growing up inthe South. I would love that.
I think we should. I thinkfor the people that watch Yellowstone and listen
to this podcast, we should probablyget to a recap. Let's go,

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let's go. Do you question?I love how you said, remind me
to tell you about Achilles later,and you told the whole story, told
the whole story, told the wholestory. Um. So, in the
past and past episodes, we've doneone recap and then had a discussion and
brought the second one. But Iprayed on this week and I'm going to
do both of them. So ifyou guys have watched one of these episodes,

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you're about to get spoilers for thesecond one. So we're gonna start
with the Reek of Desperation. Gregre'sthe recap of how I went this week
since Casey has taken over on theranch. He does things differently than rep
like, you know, ask peoplequestions, but everyone agrees that different and
new is bad. That's Montana,Baby. That's not the only issue who'll

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run into though. This episode,Casey's being prepped to move into the role
of livestock commissioner, which is justsomething else he doesn't want to do.
He tells John he can't pass apolygraph test or a psycho val and John
tells him that's no concern, You'rea Dutton. Casey's pretty bummed though,
because at the end of the dayhe's still not with Monica or Tate,
and Monica is feeling weird about thingstoo. When her physical therapist gets a

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pinch Hansy with her in the pool. There's hope though, because she makes
it clear she's a married woman still. Even Beth is over this back and
forth happening on the ranch. Whenshe sees doing grunt work, she tells
him that he should beat Casey toa pulp and send him on his way,
but he refuses. The Duttons areseemingly being torn apart at the scenes.

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Jamie meets with Cassie read the Duttonsanswer to hating Montana's least favorite son.
In response, he goes to Bethand tries to barter a truce,
saying that they should work together andthe family should reunite, but Beth is
unmoved when Jamie goes back and tellsChristina that he tried and that he's going
to be backing out of the race. She also tells Jamie that he has

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a quote chicken heart. So noone likes Jamie. Everybody hates Jamie.
Everyone is about to have a muchbigger issue on their hands, though.
The Beck Brothers have surfaced and they'recoming for everyone. Oh No. Their
first target is technically Dan Jenkin,who recently got a giant check cut to

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by the Broken Rock Reservation so thatthey could begin work on the Paradise Valley
casino. These guys are menacing asall get out, and they'll stop at
nothing to gain control of this land. And on the ranch hand level,
Jimmy's cooking pals from back in hisdrug days run into him at a local
co op and have him go into buy supplies for them, but he
refuses, smacks one of them inthe face with a bag of chain,

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and then gets into a fight withthem, Him and Avery, the new
ranch hand who likes to take yourshirt off, sometimes have to escape,
but slight spoiler, this is hardlythe last time that you'll see either sense
of these enemies. The thing aboutYellowstone, though, is that where in
the villains line up together, theDuttons always come back together as a family.

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With nowhere left to turn. AfterChristina abandons him, Jamie heads home,
and perhaps for the first time ever, we see John, Beth,
Casey, and Jamie's share one dinnertable together. John walks outside and sees
Rip walking out in the distance ina field and breaks down, crying,
calling out to his wife, wholeft him too soon. That leads us
to only Devil's Left. I feellike the reason we didn't do these back

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to back is because it felt alittle lengthy. Yeah, but you know,
we're here for the journey, Soonly Devil's Left on the ranch.
Rip is cluing Casey into who's whoon the farm because they've stopped fighting for
a minute. He's talking about Jimmyand Walker in particular, and that's when
something funny happens. Jimmy calls outthat a cow is acting funny, and

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he looks like he's blowing up,and at that moment, Casey realizes something
is a foot and peeks over thehill. It finds a whole herd of
dead cattle. I don't mean,I don't mean to laugh. It's not
funny. Not fun turns out theywere killed purposefully via Clover, and John
thinks he knows who did it.Now they just have to prove it.
When John tells the cops about histheory and that someone has flewn over and

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dumped Clover on his field, thecops scoffs. But John won't stop until
Justin has justice is served. Iwon't stop until Justin has served because I'm
hungry. Did you know that justinis an anagram for justice? Sorry,
go ahead, I need you tooquick. Vamenting on my way Justin is
not a gram by justice. Hespecifically means that they should kill Dan Jenkins.

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That's right, because Jamie bout outof the attorney's general race. I
have to assume that's how you pronounceit. Cassidy read ascends to the position
unopposed. That's probably a good thing, because Jamie's life is blowing up as
he looks into the crimes against cows. He discovers that Beth has moved the
ranch into a trust not involving him, and as he tries to discuss that

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with Beth, Sarah Wenn calls toconfirm facts for her peace on the Duttons.
In the Jimmy business, he owesthose thugs from last episode about eight
thousand bucks and if he doesn't pay, Jimmy's grandfather's gonna get beat up again.
He starts saying that while laughing.No, I'm not laughing. It's
really sad. He liked Grandpa.He shows up, he's like, you

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keep doing Beth, and I keepgetting my ass whooped, and it's like,
yeah, brother, like you needa new grandson. It reminds me
a lot of the Kirkland household anyways, where it was at. He tells
Avery that it's because of what hedid, and that's kind of left open
ended. On the Yellowstone Ranch,the Beck brothers show up and attack Rip

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right in time. John rides upand saves him, and Jamie runs out
of the house and goes whoa,whoa, whoa. Everybody stop, and
everybody's like, Jamie, shut up, it's not that serious, but John
handles it on his own. TheBeck brothers suggests that the Dunnons should be
allies with them, but John makesit clear the Dunn's act alone, that
is, unless they need help,which is where Cassidy comes in. The
Dunn's invite her to dinner and whatwill become an ongoing tradition of awkward family

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dinners. But this one is anall timer because Beth literally stabs Jamie under
the table with a knife. Ohyeah, And Monica and Casey reunite and
have sex, and then from thelooks of it, Tate sees it,
gets excited that his dad's home andthen just gets in bed with him while
they're all naked. And then onthe cow front, Casey and a livestock
agent go to arrest a man forpotentially killing cows. They get him on

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the ground and the man's son comesout. The livestock agent shoots and kills
that boy, despite Casey having thesituation under control, and it's with that
the Beck brothers swoop in with anidea of how to help John Dutton and
the fallout of this killing, whichmeans that they almost certainly want to ruin
him and his family. And thatis the recap of both only the Devil's

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Left and the Reek of Desperation nicelydone than nicely done? Yeah, thank
you? Yeah, and the theapps are not as coupled as last the
last two, but pretty coupled asfar as plotlines go. I think they
work together anyway. So I haveso much to discuss. Yes, me

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too. Would you like to kickit off? I would love to a
couple things, and I want tostart with only the Devil's Left because I
need to say this before I forgetit, because you reminded me on the
last thing you said. There's abrief moment in this episode where it's it
feels like a procedural where Casey Duttonis on the case and like solving a

(22:27):
crime. Would watch like would watchthat show like that? Like? I
think of all the plot lines thatwe've shuffled through over the last five years.
I won't name them because of spoilers, But instead of like finding something
new for Casey to do almost everyweek, this would have been the thing

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if Casey is still involved with thefamily but is also out there doing actual
like livestock commissioner crime solving here forthat, I thought he was a real
natural at that. What did you, what do you think about that.
I don't watch Enco live. NoCows on Yellowstone, Yeah, no cows
on Yellowstone. I like it.I like the idea of Casey potentially being

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used as this character to interact withthe rest of the world because we see
in season I think it was seasonone where they went that house and I
don't know why I laugh when peopledie, but it happens. They were
when grandfathers get beat up. That'sit's just sad. It's just sad.
But we'll get back to that ina second. Uh, Casey and Monica

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were driving by that house that blewup yea, And I like. I
like the moments that we get awayfrom the Dutton family and we see what
the rest of Montana looks like.But not only because I think it makes
the show more interesting and it givesCasey something more substantive to do, but
also I think it draws a verystart parallel to this beautiful like stone and

(23:57):
log cabin that the Duttons live inon this giant ranch, and then people
that are getting their single wides blownup. Yeah. Like it really kind
of juxtaposes these two worlds and thetypes of people that live there, and
I don't think that we get enoughof that, correct, Yeah, And
I want to sit with you.And I also think one of my other

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takeaways from this episode was we DanJenkins has basically been cast traded, and
so we can't have the big badthe rainwater because that's not the nuanced portrait
of the Native American community that TaylorSheridan wants. So when you ever you
need a big bad guy to bebigger and badder than the other bad guys,
Neil McDonough is one on the callsheet. He is one on the

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call sheet period. So mean,yes, I'm so grateful for him because
I really think that he helps reallydrive home the case that men with blonde
hair can be bad people, becauseI think that people I'm a blondie and
I feel like people look at meand they're like, oh, he looks

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so nice, he looks so welcoming, and I'm like, no, I
want you to know that I canruin your life. Why do I want
people to think that? I don'tknow, I've never ruined anybody's life.
Just cue up the queue up theclip of Justin laughing and a grandfather getting
beaten to a pulp and I thinkyou'll see what blonde men are capable of,
is what you're saying. Yeah,no, no, I completely agree.

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And the Beck brothers are I guess, mmmm, is this a spoiler?
I don't think it's a spoiler.The Beck Brothers are, in my
opinion, my favorite villain that theshow has. They're great, and I
like, I don't want to spoilanything about what happens with him, but
they're great because Neil McDonough can playthis role in his sleep. He's so

(25:51):
good. Yes, he's unbelievable.He's doing a very faux western Montana thing
where he actually isn't country or Westernat all, and he doesn't care.
He's just like, I have toact like this a little bit, but
not really. He everything he sayshe believes a thousand percent. He just
has got that steely glare. Itreally snaps the show back into focus after

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what we would consider a wobbly startin episodes one and two. The addition
of Neil mcdonnough. I can't imaginea time where it's hurt a show.
He's great and Justified. You've notseen that. Then we talk about this,
You've not seen Justified, and youneed to go watch it immediately.
The new one starts like tomorrow andvery very excited. Maybe it came out

(26:33):
today. I don't know. Whatever, it's not your problem. He's great
and justified. Anytime he shows upto do this, he's given it everything
he's got and he crushes it.And so it snaps the focus and not
that the Duttons are good people,but that there is now this evil that
makes sense for this show that isalso a white dude out for capitalistic gain

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and getting his share. And that'svery very important because in Jenkins he just
wasn't high enough caliber to do that. No, I mean they hung in
high they did. My favorite,my favorite little thing about season two is
Dan jenkins weird uh rope burn scarafter being hanged. Yepp, it's not

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that again, not something I shouldlaugh at, but you know, also
looking back, because I have beenlooking at like the the larger Taylor shared
in Cannon and like nineteen twenty threeand eighteen eighty three, this man loves
to hang people. Yeah, yeah, I don't really like that phrasing either.

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No, but you there's a lotof hanging that happens in the in
the Taylor verse. Yeah, andin eight I've not seen either show,
but in eighteen eighty three, Iwould assume that that's really common. Um,
that would not surprise me at all. Um, And I hear eighteen
eighty three is great, Like Ihear, it's a really good show.
It is at three is my favoritethe universe? Yeah, it's an It's

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an incredible consolidated story, Bob.Something else I wanted to say about the
episodes that we're discussing, and Ididn't include it in the recap, but
I knew that I would touch onit is I think that this first episode,
getting this peek into where John's headis at with his wife being gone,

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there's this is I'm going long burnhere. But you've seen the Hunger
Games, right, Yes, SoI think vin Jennifer Lawrence is an incredible
actress. But every once in awhile, there just sees like lines that
just stick out of a movie ora TV show that just like cut through
me and that they just completely takeme out of the moment. And there's

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a line where they're getting towards theend of the first Hunger Games and Catness
thinks that Peter ate those berries,and then Peter shows back up and she
goes, damn you, Pete,you scared me, and I like,
it just ticks me off because nobodyhas ever looked at somebody and delivered that

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line that way and been like,damn you, you scared anyways, So
you come back to Yellowstone, andI think that John and Governor Linnell played
by character actress twenty Moneies have thisincredible moment where like they almost sleep together,
and then they stop it because sheis missing her dead husband by the

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memory of the love that she sharedwith her dead husband, and then John
starts talking about it. And Ilove those moments. I love when it's
nuanced and it's tender and like yousee that like John is a human because
if you don't have those moments,then like, where's what is this show
grounded in? And I thought itwas such such a good scene, only
to be deeply undercut by the endof the episode when he steps out onto

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like the range again and he looksup like toward this guy. He's like,
damn you, why did you leaveme so soon? And no one
says that, No one says thatit drives me nuts. I actually thought
until he utters that line, Istill think this that episode, maybe the

(30:17):
Reek of Desperation maybe my favorite ofthe four so far, and for a
number of reasons, but one isI think every it's a quiet episode from
a like a violence or like anaction standpoint, but every plotline is moving
and moving in a direction that's intriguing, save for Jimmy and the meth Heads,
which I did see live different story, but that, like, every

(30:37):
plotline is moving in a direction thatI really like. And then you strike
up Chris Stapleton at the end ofthat episode, which how can you go
wrong there? And he's singing,and you get this like dust dusky Yellowstone
Ranch. And if he just turnsaround and looks like he's about to cry,
we get it. We get what'shappening. You know, chair is

(31:02):
left open at the table. I'msorry, don't mean to cut you off.
Go for it. They're all they'reall sitting there at the table,
and it's so it's so good,and it's one of the first times that
we see them all together in oneroom in a civil way. And Beth
isn't being a total maniac, Jamie'snot being the absolute worst, Casey is
just I mean, he's wonderful andadorable. Casey and like they're all sitting

(31:26):
together, and I think what makesthat scene so powerful is that for a
minute you forget these are largely awfulpeace. That's right, That's right exactly,
and they feel like a family andthat's why John has to leave.
Ye. And it's like it's likewhen you have this like beautiful, like
delicious cake with like the best buttercreamicing, and you're like, you know

(31:48):
what, it needs to be entirelycovered in sprinkles and it's like, yeah,
everyone's in all you need to deployyour sprinkles. But like this was
a perfect cake. I will saythis alone. Brandon Gray, my business
partner that you know very well,co host of Deech the Hallmark, the
aforementioned podcast you did sell earlier.Uh, he has never medicake that didn't

(32:08):
need sprinkles. He doesn't yet hethinks that and he's wrong on that,
but like to to better it likethe best you know, wag you beef
steak and you get the A oneout like you don't need it. You
don't, you don't need the Aone. Guys, like, do you
nailed this scene? You nailed theepisode like a complete return to form.

(32:29):
Writing was great, character development,acting and then you throw this line in
there to make sure every dummy,dumb dumb dumb understands the significance. And
it just kind of like the unfortunatelyyeah um to to hop to something else
that really uh stood out to me. I feel like we have fallen into

(32:52):
a weird rhythm of discussing drugs ontheodcast. Yeah no way, We're around
it today. Been following up andbeing like, don't do that, and
you would think that I'm about totalk about mess yeah, but no,
I'm going to talk about ocean water. Oh my gosh, which is when
Monica is talking about and I haven'tI haven't googled this. I should have

(33:12):
done my homework before I hopped onthe podcast. But Monica's telling these college
students about how I guess people onreservations would mix water and lysol too,
and I'm paraphrasing just to feel something. Yeah, apparently because you couldn't,
they outlawed drinking on the reservation.Initially that's not the case anymore, I

(33:35):
don't think, but like, initiallythat was the thing, and so that
was something that Native Americans who oralcoholics did. I think when I heard
ocean water, I was like,is she talking about the sonic beverage sonic
drive in ocean water, which isan actual beverage you can get at Sonic
that tastes like the ocean in sodaform, and it is blue. It

(33:58):
is not what she described after that. I love that ocean water different ocean
water entirely. It's it's like,um, what is It's like uh like
sprite and like coco nut. Uhyeah, I believe there's some sprite and
coconut combo. Um. I don'tknow one else's in it, but it
is. It tastes like you're atthe beach. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(34:22):
it made me want to go getone. That's not the intended effect
there, but it's what it mademe want to do. On the on
the opposite side of it, Ijust I just googled it. There's a
nineteen eighty four article from the WashingtonPost. Inside a Sue reservation, villages
of despair, some Indians cannot affordliquor and instead drink the cleanser lysol one.
Lysol drinker told family counselor, Ohyeah, yeah, there you have

(34:45):
it. So really sad, reallysaid, not sonic driving at all,
like really really like legitimately sad,and I didn't know that either. I
always forget halfway through since that fatefulday when I realized there were comments on
the side you can turn them on. I always end up realizing halfway through.
Now. But somebody said that,uh, oh, here we go.

(35:05):
Let's I see you guys coming inwith sonic. Oh yeah, it's
delightful summer beverage. Somebody says,I I in general with Malibu, Amen
with ooh ocean water with him.I gave somebody such a hard time for
drinking Malibu the other day. I'venot had Malibu since I was I don't
know, twenty, So you haven'texperienced choice since you were twenty Apparently,
I just I don't know. Ias somebody said, I was like,

(35:28):
were you at a sorority party?Like, how in the world did you
get a hold to some Malibu?I didn't know. They still solve it.
Yeah, I love it. Ilove it. That's the alcohol they
give to children, right, Likethat's what happens there. And I'm not
some snob justin like I enjoy aCoors Light as much as the next guy.
Like, I'm not like here totell you got to drink some uppity
beer or alcohol, Like I justhonestly did not know anyone as an actual

(35:52):
adult. Was like, can Iget a Malibu and soda? Like that's
not a real order, is it? No? I don't know. I
mean, first off, you're gettingmouth and soda. That's a that is
a very specific vibe. And Ican I do anything but stands fifty grams

(36:12):
of sugar parramps Like that is thatis? Like? Man, you are
really you're one. You're one totake a nap, not get drunk,
is what you're doing. I'm gonnaturn us toward another drug, which is
which is meth. Yeah, I'dlike to start by saying meth is death.

(36:34):
Yeah, absolutely, crack is whack, meth is death. I I
almost went into a story about methin my childhood, but we'll again,
we'll save that for for another time. Is it your achilles heel? Is
it? So? I thought thatmeth was genetically a predisposed I'm tone kidding.

(36:57):
Uh So meth starts coming up inthis I'm assume mean that it's met
that Jimmy was cooking. Yeah,they have to go back in to get
supplies to cook it. I thinkwe're all in the same but we've all
seen breaking bad, like we getyeah. Yeah, but it's because I
lift it. Um, I didn'tlive it a neighbor lift it. It's
what it is. Um Tennessee givesyou nine justin amen um. But Jimmy

(37:21):
has has left that life behind.He's on the Yellowstone Ranch. He goes
in to get supplies and then heruns into these two Julians, that's right,
who are like, hey man,hey man, go back in,
man, hey man, go getsome supplies. And that's fantastic. Hey
man, hey man, just onemore time. You just go in and
get it and go hit me withthe bag of chains it again. Man.

(37:42):
So Jimmy is like, nam,I have a good life. Look,
there's this there's this lady that sometimestakes her shirt off. She's driving
the truck. I want to hangout with her instead. So he comes
out, he gets rid of theseguys and then lo and behold. Next
episode, his grand and father showsup at the ranch and it's like,
I don't have eight thousand dollars.These guys need eight thousand dollars or they're

(38:07):
gonna come beat me up again.Yeah, they beat him. We get
to see them beat beat him uptoo. We get to see them beat
the holy hell out of him thatthat happens on the screen. So why
are we doing this? Yeah?Yeah, this is the beginning and I
don't want to spoil anything, butthis is the beginning of the frustration regarding
the arc of the character of Jimmy. Like they are they are overinvested in

(38:30):
how much they believe that we areinvested in what goes on with Jimmy.
Now watching it a second time through, Jimmy is a better character for me
than he was the first time.That doesn't make this plotline any better in
my opinion. Jimmy, you knowwhat would make this work, And Taylor
Sherton doesn't need anything more on hisplate. But like at this point,

(38:52):
if you I wish they would havesat down with all the characters that they
had mapped out and said, whoreally belongs in this show? Because as
much as I like Ji, Jimmydoesn't belong in this show. He does
a great job. He does agreat job. It is Jimmy needs his
own show correct age. Yeah,and I because I think it would be

(39:15):
fascinating, because I think that alot of people. I'm gonna kind of
flip the tone on its head alittle bit. I think a lot of
people get they look down their noseat people that are our addicts, are
in bad situations, and they go, well, if you want out,
just leave. And it's not thateasy. No, it's it's a very

(39:37):
very difficult web, and you canreally only move one strand at a time.
And I think it would be fascinatingto see a series of somebody like
Jimmy trying to get out of aterrible circumstance because it is very complicated.
That being said, does it deservelike ten minutes you horned into a neo

(39:58):
Western about how a struggle between herrich family and all these other rich people
in Montana. No, it doesnot, because it doesn't make sense.
And they just made like if youtook all of his into a super long
cut of all of his stuff together, it's just like a long version of
like Rudy or something, you knowwhat I mean. Like, it's just
a long version of like some showthat would be good on its own.

(40:30):
It just it's a lot here.And I tell you when it sticks out
more is when Walker is conveniently absent, because he's not in these two episodes
not for a second, and you'relooking around, going where is this guy?
They talk about him, but he'snot in the show. What's going
on? Yeah? I don't know? And so the Jimmy because the Walker

(40:54):
stuff is happening sometimes parallel with theJimmy stuff, And when Walker's not there,
it does make this seem like,why aren't we dealing with Neil McDonough,
Why aren't we dealing with Casey andthe livestock? Why aren't we dealing
with Jamie and whether or not he'srunning for you know, attorney General.
Why aren't we doing these things?Why are we dealing with Jimmy instead?
And when Walker's there, it's like, Okay, this shows about thirty plotlines.

(41:16):
When he's not there and there's onlyone of them, it feels a
lot more out of place to me. Anyway, I don't again, it's
I just don't think they know whatto do with all these characters. I
almost feel like when Walker isn't there, it was when Taylor Sheridan was like,
oh, this doesn't need to beabout good and evil? Yeah,

(41:36):
but yea, as I feel likeWalker is very much like the foil to
this family. Correct, correct,And he's not the bad guy. I
thought he was the first. Somebody'sjust not. He isn't speaking of this
just this is slight sidebar, whichwe never do around here. Taylor Sheridan
said in that article he's not writtena word since the writers strikes started.

(41:59):
Do you believe even? No?No, way, no, when Yellowstone,
When Yellowstone comes back, he's gonnabe like, I turned out the
last eight scripts this afternoon. That'swhat he's gonna say. I I have
a spicy take, and I'm afraidI might, I might get myself in

(42:19):
trouble by Let's assume Taylor's listening inGopher Broke, go for it. No,
actually, I think that ironically,the only person that would agree with
me here is Taylor Sheridan. Hegot into some hot water in that article
because he said that he writes hisscripts by himself. Yes, and he
doesn't want a writer's room. Yes, And I think that's fine. Yeah,

(42:43):
here's what I would say about that. And I want to let you
unpack that. But I was talkingto Brand, and whenever Brand and I
end up partnering with like a biggercompany, we always end up being frustrated
that we don't have control over howwe want to do things, and if
we need help, we hire help, which we've hired producer Aaron and so
like for us, if you camein and said no, you have to

(43:05):
have six people all bang around ideasfor you to go no thanks to all
of them, that would seem likea waste of time and money. So
I understand that. Now on theflip side, this idea that you can
come in as a writer and justbe consulted and get a base fee and
get it paid way late, I'mnot down with that. Yeah, either

(43:29):
either you make them a writer oryou don't get to consult with them.
That's what I would say. Ifyou want to have a guy like Taylor
Sheridan or Aaron Sorkin who's like,I'm doing it all myself even if it
kills me, fine whatever, I'mfine with that. But you cannot treat
writers poorly. You can't hire themand then go, well, you're just
consulting this week, or we didn'tuse you this week, or we're gonna

(43:51):
pay you after the season. No, all of those things still stand for
me. Yeah, I think thatif you're consulting anybody, they need to
be treated as a writer. Ultimately, you wouldn't be able to write what
you write unless you had their consultation. All that being said, the other
spicy part is I think Taylor Sheridanworks for Taylor Sheridan and whatever whatever is

(44:13):
good for him is good for him. So no, I think he's fully
writing during the writers Yeah, yeah, he's gonna be like I got these
eight scripts ready to go, likeholy Spirit moved as soon as that writers
strike was done, and they're done. And here's the thing is, considering
how much he writes, no onewould question him. That's the thing exactly.
Yeah, so I think, Butthen again, I mean, how
much do you want this guy towrite? Because he literally this these episodes

(44:36):
had Beth stabbed Jamie under the tablewith the knife. Yeah, an episode
after he comes home and drops outof the race and like she like has
a heart to heart with him andlooks proud of him for a minute and
then goes straight into that like yeah, full crazy train for sure. The

(44:57):
other thing that I just wanted tomake sure that we touched on before we
start to wrap this bad boy upthis week Cassidy. Uh, my girl
Cassie. What is her name?I don't know, but she's the Attorney
General elect. Yes, Attorney Generalelect Cassidy Reid. Uh. One of
my favorite fun facts is that multipleattorney general roles are attorneys general. Isn't

(45:21):
that fun? Wow? It isattorneys general is like Coles to Sack.
Yeah, that would be weird tosay Coles to Sack sounds wrong. Uh,
but uh, Cassidy, Casside Pope, Nope, Cassidy Reid. Yeah.
There's some performers like Diane Lane.When she was born, she was

(45:44):
thirty five years old and she hasn'tbeen a day over thirty five since then.
Like Diane Lane, when she dieswill be thirty five years old,
and it's perfect. Yeah, um, Cassidy read in one scene could be
seventeen and the next could be fortyfive. Yeah. The first time they
bring her in, the first timethey bring her in, I was like,

(46:05):
she just came from a party wherethey have Malibu rum exactly. And
then the next time I was like, no, she's like an adult and
stuff. You're right, it makesit makes no sense. She doesn't.
She clearly doesn't belong in this world, but not in the way that I
think Taylor Sheridan is trying to writeit. She's just weird. Yeah,
she's super weird, and I don'treally know why she's around. Yeah that

(46:29):
is that they you're you're not You'renot wrong, I do. It's a
means to an end, like mostof his stuff is. Um, I
gotta be honest. I don't rememberwhat happens in that regard, Like I
don't like because she's you know,spoiler alert, she's not around for five
seasons, Like I don't think anybodythinks she will be, but I don't.
I don't remember what the outcome isthere do you don't tell me?

(46:50):
But I don't remember. Okay,I don't remember. I don't know recollection
of that whatsoever? Um, Andthat the last the last thing that really
bothers me and I want And Idon't know if this is even appropriate for
the podcast, So Aaron, wemight have to cut this out. I
apologize. But Casey and Monica atthe end of episode four are are are

(47:16):
making love, having sex, goinguh, going at it if you will,
and it's it's all sensual and whatnot. And they even have that like
Sepia filter that let's do things aresexy and then take shows up. He's
like daddy and like there's not abeat that goes by, right, Like

(47:39):
he just jumps into bed and theyjust cuddle him in. Yeah, and
I'm close closed door. Oh man, it was brutal, Like it was
like just the worst day of this, Like I don't mind your lifestyle,
just not in front of my children, let's right. Yeah yeah, And

(48:02):
I was just like whoa, whoa, we need to pump the brakes on
this. This is a little wild. Yeah. Taylor Sheridan said he's never
regretted a script he's written, andI I give you there's only Devil's left
with that. I've never regretted takinga little bit of lissol and getting by

(48:22):
you know, you know what Imean. Here we are, ye,
here we are. We do havewe do have a short and memorium this
week? Can I add one?And I could be wrong on this one,
um, but I'm pretty sure weneed to pay our respects to Lloyd's
old man glasses while riding a horse. I don't think in the like something

(48:45):
happened and in this episode he hasthe glasses with the holder that he has
around his neck that he puts backup while he's riding a horse. And
I don't think that ever has happenedbefore? Is that? Do you remember
that? No? And I don'tremember seeing them again. And I love
the idea that Lloyd has this versionof like his own version of like an

(49:06):
old lady glasses chain. Yeah,yeah, exactly. Yeah, And he
was like, you know, hejust got like caught up reading the morning
paper and was like, oh,we gotta write horses today. Oh no,
it was why it was a weirdbit. I loved it. Yeah,
go ahead. The rest of thenivore is so many cows, so
many cows, half a million dollarsworth of cows from all because they ate

(49:29):
some clover. That's right. Didnot know that clover does that to cows.
He either learned something new and everyday. And then of course the
last one that is actually quite sadand could have been a poignant conversation if
Taylor shared and weren't writing it,is this young man that gets randomly shot

(49:49):
by uh By was a livestock Yeah, yeah, yeah it was. Yes,
it was a livestock agent, Ibelieve, because he's waiting on the
deputy to get there. Um andI that scene was a tough scene.
But that's one of my favorite versionsof Taylor Sheridan, like what's right versus

(50:12):
what's ethical? That like when he'sreally on he rights. Scenes like that
where the guy was wrong, thelivestock agent was wrong, was flat out
wrong, but was within his rights. And that should scare you. That
should scare you as a as acitizen of the country, you know what
I mean. I think one ofthe things that jumped out to me,

(50:32):
and this is a question that Iasked a lot when it comes to who
is armed and who isn't. Lastnight in bed, I always watched TikTok's
before bed because it comforts me,okay, okay, And last night I
saw TikTok where this guy had likewhat looked like a small water buffalo.
I'm not exactly sure what it was, maybe maybe a petit yak okay that

(50:53):
had somehow gotten into his house andhe I know, and I think it
the yak's name was like Bozo orsomething. Anyway, he goes in and
he like pulls his kitchen table backand like very very like tenderly kind of
works to coax this animal out ofhis house. And then I'll see this

(51:15):
episode and I'm like, why arelivestock commissioners running around with a gun anyway.
Yeah, yeah, I think it'sto do like do the thing they
do all series, which is likeshoot horses when they're like lame or something,
but it does seem like they haveas much power as police officers in
Montana. It is crazy. Iloved Yeah, that scene, that whole

(51:37):
thing Casey's solving the crime and figuringit out and then that whole standoff and
then the outcome of it all islike is this is a weird, almost
oxymoronic thing to say, is almostpeak secondary Yellowstone. So like the things
it is the best that show getswhen it's not working on it's central premise.

(52:00):
It's it's similar to when he reallynails an episode about like indigenous rights.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You'relike you're like, yes, like
give me that, like tell methat story because it's almost like because it's
not his main focus and there's lesspressure that he's able to like imbue more

(52:23):
than like nuance into it. Yeah. No, for sure, he finds
he finds that great area and Ifind it. I find it quite quite
moving when they get it right becauseit is tragic and ultimately at the end
of the day, like nobody wantedthat situation. No, no, no,
no, everybody lost there. AndI will say, and we we

(52:43):
hammering this all the time. ButSheridan calls his three movies his frontier trilogy.
I don't have you ever heard thatsaying, but that's what he calls
them. Cicario, Wind River,Hell or High Water, and all of
those movies are phenomenal one and two. The all play with nuance so so
well. Um that when he doesn'tdo it on Yellowstone, well it's more

(53:07):
surprising than when he does, becauseyou know what he's capable of when he's
writing a film like It's It's thatgood, which is why I think the
man will benefit from having a writer'sroom so that he could blame somebody else
or doubling down and being like yeah, having the kid jump in while they're
all nake, Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. Uh.

(53:30):
I always want to end an episodewith me having said nak as my last
word. Okay, how do wemake that happen? Nak? I think
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