Yellowstone - S03E05/06 - Cowboys and Dreamers/All for Nothing

The reason for Beth and Jamie's toxic relationship is revealed. Kayce bends the rules to help a family in need. Rip and the boys get into a confrontation with two men from John's past.

Beth reveals a secret to her father; John confronts two cowboys about old feuds; a search gets underway on the reservation.

Episode Transcript

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This is a bramble jam podcast.Justin we got a big one this week.

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Are you Trump? Yeah? Absolutelyno. I feel like this is
a big episode. Welcome back toJohn Tatt Musty of course. Daniel Thompson.
Uh, this is Yellowstone Recap podcastwhere we fell about fifty percent of
our time talking about things that arenot related to Yellowstone. But this week,
this week, I'm going to keepus on track because these these are

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two good episodes. It's a reallygood introductions. We get some things answered
that we've been asking questions about fora while. Yeah, we we get
some really good flashbacks. Yeah,I'm sure there's gonna be something that I
can say it's negative, but yeah, it's a big and that's I took
a big, big episode. Itake a bit of umbradge here, justin

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that you think we normally get offtrack. This is a really linear show
where you give some synopsies and thenwe talk through it, and then we
talk about the people that died andwe call it a night. I don't
I don't understand. We don't everget on any sidebars, like you know,
before we get started, I didwant to tell you real quick,
there's I for those of you whodon't know. I used to be a

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staff rider at Esquire, used tocover a whole bunch of pop culture.
But because you have to take inso much, and because a lot of
times you get split up among thestaff, they are blind spots that I
have where other people have watched thingsthat I'm like, I don't have to
watch it. I'm not calling to. I've started watching Veep. Oh my
gosh, you've never seen VP.It's so good, justin it's phenomenal.

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Where what season are you in?I'm just finished. I just binged to
all of season one. Yeah,eight episodes, which I know isn't like
a big And I say this notjust to get you very excited about what's
coming coming up, but it's theworst season. Season one's the worst season.
It's that really, it's that goodof a television program. I mean,

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everybody on that show scores. MattWalsh to Tony Hale, Oh my
goodness, Julie Louis Dreyfus is likeQueen of all comedy. Patton Oswalt shows
up, the Timothy what's his namethat plays Jonah, Oh my goodness,
it is. It's so good.I'm jealous that you get to watch this
and have not seen it. It'sthat good. It's I mean, I

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enjoy our time together speaking about Yellistereach week. But I'm so excited to
be done so I can go andkeep watching Veeb. But I do.
I'm going to argue that we're stillon track though, because it is a
show about and this is one ofmy favorite things about the first you know,
only eight episodes that I've seen,but it is a show about a
woman who is absolutely terrible, butit makes her so human and there are

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moments where I'm like, oh God, that sucks, like she's in like
a terrible spot. Yeah, Andand I don't know, I think it's
I think it's a brilliant comedy becausejust when I like finish laughing, there's
something to be like deeply sad about. Yeah. It's so good and they
do a great job of walking thatline as they move forward, and it's
super sharp. Did you ever seethe movie in the Loop with James Gandolfini

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and uh, what's her name?She's in the show too, the girl
who was in My Girl? Whois My Girl for My Girl? Yeah?
And a Klumsky she Yeah, shewas in the movie In the Loop
that was directed by Armando and Nucciwho created Deep and basically In the Loop
is a British political farce wherever onethat's working in politics is stupid and and

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this British politician goes over to Americaand puts his foot in his mouth about
weapons of mass destruction and supporting GeorgeW. Bush and it's hysterical. It's
a really funny movie. And basicallyhe wrote this show as kind of a
like an offshoot like in the veinof that movie. And that movie's fantastic,

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So like if you run out ofall VIEP, you could go watch
that movie and get a little bitmore of a taste of all of what
VP is. It's fantastic, greatstuff. I got. I got a
whole slate to watch. I waslooking to see if he was also behind
that movie that Julie Louis Drives andJames Gandelfeeni Are and Together, which is
like a really nice like b romcom. Yeah, I've not seen it,

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but I know it. Yeah,it's really good. But no,
he's not, No, he isnot, he is not. No.
He has done a few movies.He did a movie called the Death of
Stalin. That's a work of art, hysterical funny, so you need to
check that out too. But youknow, I guess we should talk about
Yellowstone and leave us a review.Duh. If we get to a hundred,

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you beat me to it. Now, it's gonna be responsible this week
and be like, hey, guyslike rate and review us on Apple podcast.
Leave as if we get to onehundred, I guess I'm taking over
anyways, aren't they do it?Go for it, Go for it,
man. If we get to onehundred, I get a cowboy hat,
which is if you don't like Dan. And I've read the reviews, so
I know you're out there. Y'allgotta leave more because Dan's going to be

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tasked with finding a cowboy hat bigenough for my head. As we've stated
before, I'm rocking about like aneight and a quarter kind of situation on
the login. I can't remember eightand a quarter, eight and a half.
I don't want to oversell any peopleto think I'm like Jimmy Neutron over
here, five eight and a half. No one else in your high school
had a chance at Baladictori. No, Yeah, I was brilliant. Yeah,

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we got to get to cowboy hatsand we're we're, we're you're coming
down to visit in two weeks,and yeah, I guess you have a
work thing, but you're really comingto hang out with me. And so
I feel like we need these cowboyhats by then. I feel like that's
the least we could do is showup in Wrangler jeans and these cowboy hats
and and and and show the peoplewhat what they did for us by giving
us all these great reviews. ButI feel like it's gonna take some work,

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and it's gonna take some Wranglers becauseI don't own any wregular jeans.
I think I own some Levi eyes. Is that is that city Wrangler?
That's city Wrangler? Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's that's bougie wrangler.
Is what that is? Like?Wranglers a Walmart brand? Isn't it?
To give you guys some insight intointo my physicality? I don't think I

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have the butt to pull off wranglers. No, I think wranglers and I
don't. Wranglers are just like likebootcuts. They're kind of big jeans.
They're not like like like slim fittingjeans, right, They're like cowboy jeans.
They're made to like like Rip characterjust wears jeans that are baggy,

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like cowboys wear baggy jeans like theydon't. I'm triggered now because I used
to have to only wear the carpenterjeans. Husky. Yeah yeah, yeah
yeah, I've worn my share ofhusky jeans. Man, I look at
it. It's not just you.It's not just you out there. I
promise if you leave reviews and rateus, not only will I get a

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cowboy hat, we're gonna get somehusky jeans. And word on the street
is Dan's gonna pay for me tohave butt implants. So I don't look
he hear that word on the streetis incorrect, because then producer Aaron Shea
will be like, I can't gethealth insurance, but but Justin can get
butt implants. Wow, wow,Hey, now hey, now this is

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what dreams are made up. Waita minute, hold please, quad,
If Justin wants to bring me someBobdka, I will sign up off on
the bio plans. Yeah, sowe're all there. That's great. Still
can't afford them? I did,uh, I did make some wonderful Bobka
shameless shout out follow follow my terriblyphotographed cooking adventures on at cooking with Justin

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no g on uh on Instagram andyou can learn about food there. Or
if you're here, do you wantto hear about Yellowstone? We uh,
we split these episodes up into ourlittle banch at the beginning, we do
a recap of two episodes. Iknow you're on a roll here and we're
we're we want to stay on track, and we're we're up against it.
But in the chat, you canactually watch these episodes. The only place

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you can watch them is bramble jamplus dot com, double Deckertier or higher
Facebook group. You can watch themlive chat along with us. Someone and
everybody just says Facebook user, SoI don't know who it is. Someone
says, no Wrangler jeans are supertight, So that's unfortunate. That's uh
so what hollywoodfellows said that? Yeah, so we may have to rethink that,

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but we could. We could try, but but I don't know if
it's I mean, it's Walmart.What are they ten dollars? How much
get the genes cost? We arewe are so off track now, but
I gotta go back. Do youever make resurrection rolls? What did you
ever make resurrection roles? It's whenyou take are you role playing the resurrection

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of Jesus? Is that what I'mhearing? No, I believe it's that
you take croissants like Pillsbury croissant.Yeah, croissants. It's well, it's
croissant. It hey, you wrapit, you wrap it around on marshmallow.
Oh dear God. Yes, yes, marshmallow's in a biscuit. Uh.

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You wrap it around in marshmallow,and then when you bake it,
the marshmallow disappears, aka the tombis empty. Amen. No, I've
not done that. That sounds crazy, And I am not going to finish
the connection to wrangler jeans because asare yeah, wrangler jeans, because as
I'm working it out in my head, it's going to sound sacrilegious. But

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let's just say so, please doif you put me in wrangler jeans,
it's definitely going to look like acertain part of the gene had something resurrected
right out of it, because likeit's just gonna be empty back there.
So I don't I don't know.I think we take the wrangler jeans out
of the equation. Are you sayingthat what was your butt that's now gone

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is Jesus. I am going topray, Yeah, you're gonna have to.
I'm going to ask God for forgiveness. And you know what I'm going
to do. I'm going to goback to saying what I was saying here,
and that we do bunky ouse stabletalk, which highlights the most important
parts of the episode, and thenwe do it in memoriam to tell the

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people that died in the episode goodbye. We are not talking about my button.
We are not talking about Jesus anymore. Okay, We're always talking to
read. We're always talking about Jesusas he's always with us. Right And
if you, me and Jesus andAaron are ready, I would love to
do recap of Cowboys and Dreamers.I would love to hear about it.

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I've dug a hole that's too deep. Yeah all right, y'all. Kat's
out of the bag. Jamie tookBeth's reproductive system and now she's going throughuin
his life forever. This is thebig wait, what we've been waiting for
for three seasons, and it doesn'tdisappointment. But let's roll back a little
bit before we get in there.Too deep in a flashback, Beth comes

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to Jamie because she needs a rideto the free clinic. She couldn't be
seen at a better known clinic becausethen her dad or other people in the
community might know that she needs Youguessed it an abortion. But the problem
is is Jamie signs off on theprocedure at this Native American clinic. The
woman at the desk reminds him thatat this clinic, getting an abortion also

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includes sterilization. Jamie agrees and doesand tell Beth and we'll get more into
this in bunk house table talk.But if you're wondering, that's not a
real thing that didn't happen. Ithappens. It happened for a long time,
and it was standard procedure up untillike the eighties, and still goes
on anyway. In the present,Beth wakes from her memory dream and Rip

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can see that she's shaken. Shewon't tell him why, but she does
tell him that she's made two mistakesin her life that have cost her everything.
Rip tells her, you haven't losteverything, but she insists she might
not be wrong. She's literally staringthe love of her life in the face,
saying she's lost everything. So offensive. I'm gonna justify this later.

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I'm gonna make him make sense.Meanwhile, Jamie is finally getting his role
as Attorney General at Montana. Thatmeans Casey is now livestock Commissioner, and
his first duty is investigating a situationwhere a cowboy has shot himself in the
head amid all of his foals inthe and I'm not in the yard,
in the field, on the pasture, on the range guits. Of course,

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Casey's thought process as a Dutton iswho's going to get their hands on
that livestock. John and Rainwater meetto discuss how to stave off market equities
from building their airport city. Theyagree the best course of action for now
is to just be a pain inmarket equities ass so they deploy Angela,
Blue Thunder, and Beth, respectively. Out in the fields. Rip,

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Colby, and Ryan come across acouple of guys running buffalo near the Yellowstone.
They fight them and run them off, but the guys add a message
on for John Dutton. Wade Morrowsays, hello, remember that name.
Back at the bunk house, thecrew gets together to have a little party.
There's spooz. They's dancing a barelya live Jimmy and it's all too
loud, so Rip goes to stopit and then finds Beth throwing down in

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the middle of the game. Andthen inside, John and Casey trade notes
from the day, and Casey,per usual, remains a good guy because
he sells those horses and gives themoney to his family. Thanks Casey.
Not his family's in the Dutton's budthe guy who yeah, so yeah,
there you go. That's the recap. Fantastic. You want to knock out

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that second one? Sure? Theepisode's call all for nothing? You ready?
I'm ready. We open with thestory of a Native American girl named
Sila who didn't make it home.This keeps happening at Broken Rock and across
the country. Frankly, Thomas Rainwatercalls in Casey to help in the search
for Sila, despite knowing that she'slikely already gone. When she is eventually

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found dead, Monica is especially heartbrokenrecognizing this pattern is happening over and over.
It's enough for her to get tolead an initiative to stop Native American
women being kidnapped and killed one becauseit's a giant problem in our nation,
the way that we turn our eyesaway from indigenous women being captured, but
also because Taylor Sheridan doesn't know whatto do with Monica, Casey is busy.

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This episode tasked with corraling that WadeMorrow character in the Buffalo that keep
wandering onto the Yellowstone and Wade goway back, and not on friendly terms
either. So this is a complicatedsituation to navigate, especially later on when
Mia and Laramie end up wanting togo and try and ride the Buffalo.
Different story to get Jamie, presumablyfeeling confident after his attorney's general appointment,

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decides to take on Beth, whichis always the mistake. She reminds him
that he's a broken man who tookeverything from her and doesn't help anyone before
calling him just an evil person.He tries to push back and say that
he's done so much for the family, but Beth explains that the whole family
hates him, so it doesn't matter, and I think Jamie gets the point.

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It's so intense that later in theepisode, when John suggests to Beth
that all they need to do isto come together as a family to fight
market equities, she box at theidea of including Jamie it's enough to make
John ask what she knows that everyoneelse doesn't. And that's when Beth reveals
the truth about how Jamie took herovaries and all the other parts. I'm

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woefully uneducated on women's anatomy, buta lot that's gone. She can't have
children and John can only see red. What part of the resurrection rule in
Jesus is that? And that's allfor this episode of John Must Die.
Wait, hold on, I'll finishthe recap and Minbill finished elsewhere market Equities

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since and Willa Hayes to do whatRuric has seemingly been so terrible at.
If you recognize Willa Hayes, Ibelieve, and I should have checked this
before instead of guessing in the middleof a recap that she's played by Karen
Pittman, who is also on TheMorning Show and the Terrible Sex and the
City spin off and just like that. But the reason they bring in Willa

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Hayes is because Rorke has been seeminglyso terrible at everything he's supposed to do,
which is essentially just closing the dealso that they can build this airport
city. They meet with Jamie andhe's holding his own until Willa offers to
buy the Yellowstones fifty thousand acres forten thousand dollars an acre. That's half
a billion dollars. That's more moneythan all of us will make in our

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whole lives. Correct, So yeah, there we go. But Jamie's like,
oh my god, I can't waitto go tell Dad what happened today.
And then Jamie goes home and John'sreal mad because he's like, Dad
the money, and John's like,where is your sister's overies. He wants
to kill Jamie, but Casey breaksthe two of him up. Jamie punched
out a door and said, heeffing h John, But that's not enough

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to make him do anything. Allthe while, as everyone learns his secret,
the big question is who's going totell her up. There's some stuff
that happens at the bunk house,but this is the point in the series
where I start to refuse to acknowledgeit, So I think that's the end
of the episode. I love theskating over the bunk house stuff, which
is fantastic. Thank you, yeah, nice man, thank you so much.

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I have so much to talk aboutbecause even though it seems my lack
of knowledge about female anatomy does noterase the fact that there's a light shined
on some real screwed up stuff thathappens in the show and also outside the
show, particularly to Native American andIndigenous women. This was the point in

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the show where I think I realized, and then I went back and watched
wind River. I had already seenhell or high water. This is what
Taylor shared and does. Right's right, This is good, Like when he
finds there's something about storytelling and anarrative. It is best when you go

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specific and like you really lean intolike when you say, like, the
way that the white people came inand treated Native Americans is ad Is it
true? Yes? Is it vagueyes? Does it lack impact? Yes,
But when you say that there wereclinics for years and some still operating

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this way where a woman goes infor treatment and to have an abortion,
and they remove all of they sterilize, they sterilize, they sterilize, they
sterilize their for lack of a forlack of a softer term, they fully
remove. It's a it's a fullhysterectomy, yes, and it's horrific.

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And so many of these women didnot know about it. It happened to
a lot of Native American women becausethey were seen as not people. And
I think the fact that they haveBeth in the main seat is so brilliant
because like, what better way todraw attention to this And I hate to

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get all political, forgive me inadvance, but like, what better way
to draw attention to this than puta putting a white woman that's right in
the in the main spot and beinglike this happened to her, and if
you care about that, then whydo you not care about all of this
stuff? This? I think thatthis is even though they they really ring

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the hell out of this, thistowel of Beth and Jamie hating each other.
This made me when I heard itfor the first time, and when
I went back and rewatched, thinklike, yes, like this is legitimate,
Yeah, this is This is TaylorSheridan at his best, Unlike lectures

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in a history class. This isit, you know, it's it's sometimes
you don't feel the full force ofsomething unless you you can see it through
the eyes of a character you careabout. And that's unfortunate. Like that's
part of like some sort of likeinternal you know, prejudice, and racism
from your upbringing you have to workthrough. Like I hate to use the

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ultimately easy example, but like inA Time to Kill when McConaughey gives his
big speech at the end of thatmovie, have you seen a Time to
Kill? Justin Yeah, yeah,But he gives this big speech about this
girl and imagine all this stuff happens, and then he says, imagine she's
white at the very end of it. And that's kind of the uppercut of

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John Grisham's novel. And this isand once again, no one has to
give a single speech in this entirestoryline for you to get the gut punch
of if it happened to Beth Dutton, who has still lived a like,
don't get me wrong, it wastaken from her and that's not right,
but has lived a privileged life herentire life and has had a lot to

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look forward to. Imagine all ofthe Native American women who this happened to
and they didn't know it, whohad nothing like, who had nothing else,
who were much more inclined to careabout family. And I'm not saying
Beth Dutton doesn't care about family,but they were much more inclined to care
about family than Beth Dutton was imaginethat. And I don't know if it

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was on purpose, but the womanthat Jamie speaks to in this clinic is
either white passing or is white.Is probably white. And that's the thing
I think that Shardan does so brilliantlyis is a lot of these clinics were
run by white people because it wasa part of controlling population and systematically destroying

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a people group in a way oflife. And that is very dark and
tough conversation for a podcast with twowhite dudes talking about a cowboy show.
But it's true. It's fundamentally true. Sheridan doesn't shy away from it.
His version of this gives you aninsight into character and into history without having
to say a word. And it'sbrilliant. It's beautifully dark and brilliant and

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depressing and tough and everything this showdoes when it's at its best. And
so it is the only thing thatyou could think of that would make the
vitriol that Beth continually shows Jamie makesense. And that is the thing that
makes me believe he either he hadto think of this or he knew it

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from the beginning. You know,there's some things in this show, like
there's something about Jamie that hasn't happenedyet, and I can't believe it still
isn't revealed yet at this point inthis program. But at this point it
feels like it's an add on.It feels like it doesn't like it.
Maybe it was fabricated and we canhave that conversation when it's time. But
this is the only possible thing.I would contend there is nothing else Jamie

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Dunton could have done that would havemade him deserve everything that Beth has done
to him before this episode, orwe'll do to him in the future.
But this is the one thing.This is the one thing, and so
I think it's it's layered, it'slayered genius. Here is what we're looking
at this. This is chronic hate. Yeah, this is terminal hate.

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It's never going to stop. Andthis is why I ultimately think that you
have How do I say this thatgive anything away in the future. I
think that the end of the showhas always kind of revolved around Beth and
Jamie destroying each other in some wayor the other. I don't think these

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two characters get out of the show. I don't think one of them wins.
I think they destroy each other.And it all kind of comes back
to this, And I think somuch of what so much of what you
said is is so spot on aboutlike the way that it's told, because
I think we have a lot ofopinions in the world that we live in
right now, but this isn't anopinion. This is literally just presenting something

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that happened for real, and thenyou're left to contend with whether or not
it's okay. Yeah, And Ithink that it's so brutal, and then
you really get at what what itdoes to Beth's head and what it does
to her opinion of Jamie, becauseI think it's in six when they kind
of go back and forth, shehas so much rage for him and explains

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like, you have only ever donewhatever it takes to get his approval,
and you and his approval being John's, and tells Jamie that the more that
you tried to get his approval,the more you tried to do the right
thing, the more that he hatesyou. Yeah, And I think that
that's a bit of a proxy forBeth because I think Jamie, actually,

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I'll go against what you said Ithink that Jamie thought he was doing the
right thing. I think he didwhat he thought his dad would have done.
Yeah, and that just goes toshow how much he does not understand
any of it. Yeah, andit's infuriating. And I wildly enough,
I didn't mean interrupt you wildly enough. I think that if had he posed

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the question to Beth at that time, I like, I don't know what
Beth would have said, like ayoung what is she fifteen or sixteen?
Like maybe, and he decides,this is what Dad would You can see
it. You can see him processingthrough and going, this is what Dad
would do. And Dad can neverknow about this. So I'm acting as

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Dad right now, and so thisis what we're doing. And it Yeah,
it's that unfortunate. It's that unfortunatethat you can see and I and
this is another level to this thatI can't believe. I didn't really think
about the first time through or knowwhat you're about to say. But she
because of her relationship with her mom, and so maybe it isn't her relationship

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with her mom. She she shefeels as though that you know, as
a parent, you know, completingthe circle with your child is very important
so when your kid, like,you know, I have highs and lows
with my kids for a number ofreasons. And my kid can say the
sweetest thing in the world to meand can say the really meanest thing that

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can cut me to the core,you know, just as easily. And
if my kid is hurt or isangry, it's very important for me to
close that circle with him, togo like to sit there and just sit
and be like, I'm here tillyou want to talk. I'm gonna sit
her. Do you want to talk, I'm gonna cityer. Do you want
to talk? And it's okay.You can have feelings. I love you
no matter what, it doesn't matter. And and there's something about that that

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everyone breathes easier when you have that. Well, she didn't get that with
her mom, right, So shedidn't get that the circle was never closed.
It is an open circle. Andthe only chance to close that circle
metaphorically for her and to give herany redemption is for her to do better
with her own child. And sowhen you have irrevocably left the circle broken,

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and that is a very very thatis devastating. That's more devastating.
I gotta be honest I'm a guythat by the end of the show and
will have plenty of time to talkabout this in season five when it continues
in twenty twenty eight, but whenever, you know, whatever that is,
I'm the guy that kind of wantsall these people to die, Like I
would be thrilled if somehow the Duntonslose everything and everybody dies or ends up

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like working somewhere where they have towear their name on their shirt, Like
that would that would be the best. Nothing is more devastating than this nothing,
Nothing is more devastating than a charactercaught in between generations that will never
fully arrive or develop or or beredeemed. That is the most devastating this

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show can get. And it doesso, and on the back of Kelly
Riley, who does it so beautifullyand so so heartbreakingly. Well, you
kind of half got at what Ithought you were going to say, which
is for some reason I always forgetthis was Rip's kid. Yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, baby, it was ripped. It impregnated best.

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And it goes back to when shewoke up and he was talking to
her and she said, I've madetwo decisions in my life and it cost
me everything, and he said noteverything, and she insists, yes,
everything, And that line breaks myheart because I think that she knows at
the end of the day, likeshe did lose that ability to close the

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circle with her kid, to haveto have that moment and to do better.
But I also think that she believesshe's lost Rip, that like whatever
time she has with Rip is onborrowed time, and that he will never
be able to forgive her for thisonce he finds out yea, not only
I mean he's fine with the factthat she can't have children, but like

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when he finds out that she can'thave children because the pregnancy was terminated and
it was his, she will eitherlose him because he kills Jamie or she
will either lose him because he can'tbear the thought and then leads her yeah,
And I think it just leaves heron an island again. So I
do I think there was this there'sthis very sad thing that is sad as

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it is that Rip can't understand itin the moment that she's lost everything.
She just lives with this pit inher stomach that like she doesn't have anything
above her to support her. Shedoesn't have anything to come to support her,
and the thing that's beside her rightnow is only going to be temporary.
It's heartbreaking. Ye yes, yeah, it's great television. It's it's

(30:30):
it's as gut gut wrenching as thisshow gets. And she she pulls it
off so well. I think JohnDutton's response is everything you would think it
would be. It's all about errorsto his kingdom, right, it's not
you don't get to see really hisfull reaction and feeling bad for his daughter.
No, that doesn't matter. It'shey, I'm supposed to have a
bunch of grandkids and you've ruined that. You're not. You know, Lee

(30:55):
didn't want any kids, which isa weird little storyline we could talk about,
like why did Lee just didn't wantkids? Why didn't he want kids?
We don't know, Casey didn't wantyou know, yeah, bingo,
that's exactly right. Yeah, yeah, like like and then he says like,
I figure you don't want them either? What does that mean? And
then and then all of a sudden, now, uh, you know,
now Beth can't have him. Sofor John, it's Tate can't do this

(31:19):
all by himself. The three,the four of you could barely do it.
Tate can't. This is this isabout a dude who doesn't want to
be rolling over in his proverbial gravebecause he only has one grandkid. That's
gonna lose the ranch. That is, that's a that's a Walter White level
of evil. That is a thatis such a deep seated darkness that that

(31:41):
is that is hard to even reallymap, like, it's hard to even
measure it. It's like how theymeasure the pollen in the South. It's
like, well, the pollen scaleszero to five hundred, and today in
Atlanta was twenty eight thousand. Whatthe wow? Why did you have the
thing? And to begin with,why even show me the chart? If
we're not even on the chart,Why show me the chart. That's John

(32:01):
Dunton's darkness in relating the news ofbest basically like complete infertility in his brain.
It's not about her. It's sucha punch in the face as well,
because it really shows that John asmuch as he loves Tate, and

(32:22):
I think it's inarguable that he lovesTate more than anyone else, any other
character that's been on the show exceptfor Linnelle, who he sleeps with every
like eight episodes, but fine,whatever, no you have. He has
this deep buff for Tate, andat the end that's always gonna be tinged
with the fact that he's it's becausehe's the Air It's he's the Air Apparent

(32:44):
and and that's his role before it'shis grandson. It's it's brutal. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, And that's whenand once again I know that I
feel like if we do one thingmaybe too much on the show, and
I say we, I mean me, it's call attention to what this show
is and what it does best,and when it veers away from it,
it doesn't work nearly as well.As this is a show about someone trying

(33:07):
to hold onto the patriarchy. That'swhat it is. It's about a dude
who's trying to hold onto a wayof life where men were men and men
owned everything and they called all theshots and that's when it was best.
And Tate represents that next line forhim, and that's darkness. That's evil.

(33:28):
Bro. Like all of this stuffthat he goes off and sings Kumbaya
and is a family man for twoepisodes prior to this, that's not nearly
as gripping as the dude that istrying to white knuckle his way to holding
on to men controlling everything. Thatis a much better show. But you
know, I also feel like,in some ways, Casey is like,

(33:55):
I don't quite know how to explainit, the beginning of the degradation of
that because it's clear that John hasthis contempt for Jamie that just is like
it's just there, like Jamie's nevergonna be the one like eldest son,
like I don't care, Lee's deadand gay gay, Lee is gay,

(34:17):
and then Lee is gay, andthen Beth is as much as we love,
Beth is a woman, which doesnot fit into the idea of what
John believes. So it really fallsto Casey, who is They started getting
away from this in season three,which I think is frustrating because it's the
one through line I would really likedto have seemed pulled throughout the whole series.

(34:40):
But Casey is like the sweet one, the good one, the one
that has like a little bit oflight left, and that all started falling
apart now that I'm thinking about it, like pretty similarly to what happened with
Beth, because Casey got Monica pregnantvery young, and John wanted to have

(35:00):
it aboarded. Ooh, I wantto see that timeline. Yeah, that's
fascinating. Was did Casey get Monicapregnant before? Who's Oh no, Casey's
younger, Casey's younger than best Casey'sthat doesn't line up. Yeah, but
it just goes to show that likehe would have John, I mean,

(35:22):
would have probably taken the same courseof action that Jamie did, arguably probably
at the same clinic. Yeah,yeah, and then Monica would have been
a cut off from the future.And I think it's interesting that, like
it would have been fine for Monica, yes, fine for Beth. That's
where the show's the best it is, and they're doing that so well,

(35:44):
and I like we are, youknow, we're trending out into some waters
here. But I think them makingBeth as young as she was was important,
like for the story for a numberof reasons, but also to showcase
just how important like women having avoice in their own healthcare is and how
it seems like lately there's been somereversion of that in our country, and

(36:07):
that is that's a dangerous place tobe that there's a lot of Yellowstone that's
so fictitious and far fetched that it'sjust absurd. But this is not one
of those pieces. This is thisis a this is a problem and it
The other reason this hits home isbecause once again it's a dude deciding what's

(36:27):
best for his entire family based uponwhat his father would do. It's this
lineage of well, to keep menin charge, We've got to keep men
with the most knowledge, which givesthem the most power, and that is
it's toxic. It's a toxic it'sa toxic thing. And this there's so
many layers to it, and theydo it so incredibly well. And there's

(36:49):
other stuff in these episodes, right, there's other stuff that like, you
know, they're dancing in the bunkhouse and Lloyd's with a twenty three year
old, and Jimmy's back in theyou know, and the barrel racers are
there. I guess I didn't understandthat they're there to help. Why are
they there? Do we know whythey're there? Well, Laramie's there to
get some of that old man business. Yeah, to get some of that

(37:09):
old man business. That's right,yes, yes, yeah, Before we
kind of tie up the storyline we'vebeen talking about. I think this storyline

(37:32):
and the end of season two isone of the reasons I get really irked.
I think we get we have thisreally bad habit right now of politicizing
everything very much on like one saturdor the other, and people decided at
a certain point like this is ared state show, this is now for
this is not for liberals, likethis is only for people in the middle
of America who don't know what's goingon, et cetera, blah blah blah.

(37:54):
And I think that's so stupid,that's terrible because I think that again,
when this show is really good,it isn't liberal, but it does
present some very like interesting quandaries,puts them in front of you and asks
you to answer how you feel aboutit. And I just can't imagine that

(38:19):
there's anybody in the world that looksat the end and they're like, yes,
take ended up with a white supremoccstwe got a good one, or
look at this and be like,yes, they took her entire reproductive system.
Like I think, it just verybluntly sets some like moral issues and
goes this happens like this is real, what is your response to us?

(38:44):
And I think that's brilliant because Idon't think. Something that I think that
a lot of writers in media andtelevision and movies get wrong is audiences are
always smarter than you give them creditfor, and they don't need their hands
held. And I think that's whatthese two episodes do so well. Besides

(39:07):
that's great Pancho, which is thething it does best. Yeah, yeah,
I mean Aquamarine, neither here northere. I think that's what these
two episodes do really well, isthey present something very complicated and they say,
what say you? Yeah? AndI you you hit the nail on

(39:28):
the head. And I think thatis the thing. You know, you
and I you could probably guess likewhere we lean politically, But I do
think that when this the beauty ofthis show is any show that makes points
on both both sides of the aisle, so to speak, is impressive in
general, but I think it typicallymakes a conservative point of view in its

(39:51):
cinematography, Like in the way itshot, it feels like, you know,
manifest destiny as a positive. Youknow, it feels like this like
grand scope with endless America and likewhat it means to own something and just
dirt under your nails and all thisstuff and what it does best from a
and this is in quotes from aliberal perspective, is exactly what you're saying,

(40:15):
which is, there are some thingsthat shouldn't be politicized, Like you
should have to reckon with fifty percentof people that have cancer go bankrupt because
they cannot afford health insurance. That'snot I'm not trying to convince you to
vote a certain way. That's justa fact. That's just a thing you

(40:36):
have to decide in your head.Is it morally right that people go bankrupt
because they get cancer? Is thatright? You have to decide if that's
right, and then you have todecide what the best course of action is
to fix it. When you cometo the conclusion that every non psychopath would
come to, which is that's notright. Like Taylor Sheridan presents some things
and goes, you can't possibly justgo yep, this is just part of

(41:00):
life. You can't do that,and so those societal things that are become
increasingly polarized in our country. Hepresents as not an issue of politics,
but an issue of morality. Andunfortunately, in twenty twenty three, that
makes a liberal case. While thecinematography tends to make a conservative case to

(41:21):
the people that want to politicize theshow. But I think when he's at
his best, and he hasn't beenat his best in a season and a
half, but when he's at hisbest, this is the thing he does
and does so well. I hopethat he speaks to my personal experience as
a QAnon member. It includes alittle bit of a storyline about that in

(41:43):
the back half of season five.The but we'll see the Rodeo is a
secret cabal that you didn't know about. It's underground. It's a whole thing.
I think you meant cable. Cable. Of course I meant cable.
I don't know what I was thinkingabout. I heard he was renting.
He made Paramount rent his cattle.Have you heard this, Like Paramount had

(42:06):
to on top of the paycheck.The cattle and the horses and everything they
use in the show are his,and he rents them at cost, like
at a cost to them, likeat a certain price per animal. He
also does I think, if i'mwe read the same thing, I think
that he charged. He still charges, but he charges less. And the

(42:27):
reason he charges less is because hehated everybody else's animals. Yeah, yeah,
And he was like, let's justuse mine, and then he bought
the four Sixes, which is crazy. That's a that's a conversation different than
they too. He literally bought astate, but like I think the four
Sixes is literally like, uh likeslightly smaller than Rhode Island. It's ridiculous.
Different conversation. Yeah, I havesomething else I want to talk about.

(42:52):
Uh, sweet Casey is livestock commissioneragain? No, for the first
time, right, he turned itdown the first time, so this is
actually right, Yeah, and it'sto me, it always felt like Taylor
was like, man, I madea mistake. I should have just made
my stock commissioner. I would makethat happen. Everybody gets appointed. Well,

(43:13):
I'm just wondering because, like,I know, there's not like a
ton of people in Montana, butlike, at what point to somebody and
maybe like billings Go, it feelslike we've been doing a lot of duntons
with the stock commissioner. What ifwe did, like like me, yeah,
uh you guys ever heard of nepotism? It feels like it's run rampant
in in uh in Montana. Imean, it's not like Dunton's gonna run

(43:37):
for governor or anything. You know, that'd be crazy. It's I mean,
the way that this family just runsthe government up and down is wild.
Yeah. Yeah, I will sayit does play into the thing that
we all think about Montana, whichis there's maybe ten people there. Like
it doesn't like in my head,Montana has so few people that it just

(44:00):
it just is not It's just saythree cities Helena Billings and I'm sure there's
another one, and like that's it. Like everything else is just kind of
wide open spaces out there, doyou I haven't. I haven't fact checked
this, which is again a bigproblem in our world, but I'm going
to go ahead and put it outthere anyways for other people to hear.
Someone told me that there is avolcano somewhere around like Yellowstone National Park,

(44:29):
that it's like an active volcano andit's like set to go off, like
what at some point soon. Wereally should look this up. I'm on
it. Yeah, look this upand I'll ramble out a little pit.
Somebody told me that there's this volcano, there's a super volcano, Yes,
a super volcano, and it's setto take out like four states. It
lies it lies beneath Yellowstone National Park, the Wildlife and Forest Preserve, positioned

(44:55):
on a sprawling expanse that extends throughthe states of Wyoming, Idaho, and
Montana. Yeah. Brother, unbelievable. And it's like a Pompey situation,
geesh, big enough that when itgoes off, it's going to excuse me,
it's going to like fully go notlike ice age, but like the

(45:17):
smoking stuff will like block out enoughthat it will decrease the temperature of the
Earth by like a few degrees.That there are three super volcanoes like this
in our country. Justin what wherethe other two Knoxville, Tennessee and Brooklyn,
New York. I'm just just I'mso mad right now, dude.

(45:45):
If you were watching on the video, Justin's face was priceless. It was
so great. Heat me up everynight because like literally it's I have such
bad anxiety and I'll wake up atlike two thirty in the morning and I'm
like, I wonder if I pickup my phone right now, if I'll
see that the super volcano went off. Super volcano there are terrified of this.
There are there are two others.There are two others. They are

(46:07):
in uh, New Mexico and California. California can go. Let those liberals
follow. Just liberals just just sinkoff into the ocean. Amen, hear
Hollywood, that's right. Yeah,they probably haven't heard of a resurrection role.
Well, everybody's filming in Georgia thesedays, so that's right. Yeah,
Atlanta's bringing everybody into town. That'sright. It's crazy, though,

(46:30):
this is super volcano and I kindof feel like that would be a sick
way to end the show. Yeah, the Land, like, if you
really want to go full Western andmake the Land a character, boom Land
one. Sorry guys, bye.Yeah. John Dunnan's got to get his
come up, and he's got toHe's just got to. Yeah, he
like he like beats everybody. He'sstanding there and he's a cue, guys,

(46:52):
you won't take my And then allof a sudden, the law is
just like Land is like, ohyou won't take my? What half his
face burns off? Yeah, thatwould be a move. That'd be a
move. Speaking of natural disasters,though this episode has one of my all
time favorite lines, it's one ofeverybody's all time favorite lines, where Kelly

(47:13):
Riley looks at Rouric and goes,you are the trailer park, I'm the
tornado. Yeah, and it's sogood. I don't know why I give
her that weird accent because she doesn'tspeak like she does not speak like that
at all. She does speak inwhispers though, which I love. Yeah.
Yeah, like a very breathy likewhisper. Thing she's got going on.
It is a great line. It'sa great line between two people that
actually, I bet you Josh Holloway'sfrom somewhere down south like he he like

(47:37):
because he was southern. Uh inLost as well, he was Do you
know where he was from and Lost? Oh, Texas? Right, Knoxville,
Tennessee. Oh, Knoxville, Tennessee. He's Tennessee. Yeah, he's
my boy. That's right. Heis from San Jose, California. Okay,
then just too get back from He'sfrom a South, Yeah, that's
right. Yeah, not the South, though. I want to be good,

(48:01):
you know, that's what it is. Looking through this episode. I
didn't these two episodes. Uh,the majority of my notes really had to
do with that storyline and how itplayed out. Uh, But I really
did just want to underline again thatI think Lloyd and the l Armie is
real weird. It's it's disgusting.It the other part about this that is

(48:24):
bothersome, and that is bothersome.I don't want to not give it its
due. It's it's weird. It'sa weird relationship a lot of like I
didn't like any of it, Likeby the end of it where she's like,
yeah, he's got his arm aroundher, it was just it was
tough. But the fact that Jimmyis for all intents and purposes, like
has every bone in his spinal cordneck broken. And then it's like all

(48:46):
of a sudden, he's just movingback in the in the bunk house.
That man is a weeble wobble Yeahall down, Yeah, because he's got
to keep this dumb plot line up. Like it's just like it you just
I I remember watching this the firsttime going, well, I mean,
he's a really quick healer, andas long as that's the end of the

(49:06):
rodeo plotline, then good, great, great for him. But you and
I both know that that's not true. Reader, It was not the end
of the plot line. It wasn'tit is. Yeah, That's the thing
that drives me nuts is that youjust keep this keeps I remember like it
was yesterday. The first time watchingthis just kept sticking in my crawl,

(49:28):
just kept being like, this thing'sgot to be done. It's gotta be
done, It's gotta be done,It's gotta be done, and then it's
just never done. Billy, Oh, it's brutal. It's so brutal.
There was something else I was goingto say, and I completely lost it.
Now I'm frustrated. Uh yeah,I'm just gonna toss it bad back
to you because I'm not remembering totally, all right. I do feel like

(49:52):
that the main, you know,the main thing we do here, we
covered really well. I also thinkthat the scene, once again, the
scene with Rourke and Beth shows youthat this guy could have been a big
bad He could have been way betterand way more evil than they let him
be. He could have been moreevil than the Beck brothers. He could
have been the Beck Brothers on amulti interstate scale, and he could have

(50:16):
done it by calling in favors ordone it more viscerally. I think Josh
Holloway had the ability. I thinkthey had amazing, amazing chemistry, and
I don't think they ever get todo much. I feel like this is
the highlight of what they get todo together. If I'm not mistaken,
are one hundred percent right because thisintroduction of Willa Hayes, I feel like

(50:37):
Willa Hayes comes in because it's almostlike Taylor's Sheridan was like, oh,
Josh, Holloway's not pulling this off, like I'm gonna pull somebody scary yet,
Yeah, and will Hayes iss astern black woman. Willa Hayes is
who you thought she was. Andshe's also in a Hallmark movie called Unthinkably
Good Things, which is for Hallmarkmovies, not a terrible one. So

(50:57):
there you go. Uh, AndrewI fiance Andrew and I have this game
where we uh we have U Wego back and forth and we try to
list actors or actresses that we getexcited when we see on screen and nobody
else knows who they are. AndKaren Pittman is one of those for me.
Another example is like Rosemary Dewett,like she'll she'll appear in a movie

(51:19):
and I'm like, oh my god, it's Rosemary Dewett and everybody's like,
who do you have one of thosewhere you're like, oh god, that's
I think. Uh, I think, uh, the gateway drug to those
people is Wallace Sean. I believehis name is. I think Wallace Sean
is how everyone I got into thator like I love calling out these people's

(51:39):
names that nobody else in the likelike, oh my gosh, it's such
and such, like they're a householdname. That's a great bit and feel
that. I feel the same wayabout character actress Wendy Monique Caro, which
is why you say that every time. But Wallace Sean is the ultimate,
Like he's the dude that that thatwas the gateway to you being that kind
of person or me being that kindof person. Wallace Shawn is the inconceivable

(52:01):
guy from Princess Bride, as folksin the chat do know, that's how
you know that there are people andand so that's always fun. It's always
fun to act like it's a biggerdeal to see someone than it actually is,
cause that's really what's going on,you know what I mean? Like,
and I got you know, whowas that for me for a long
time, But now I just thinkhe's a household name even though he's not.
Is Walton Goggins, Like Walton Gogginsis a national treasurer, and the

(52:25):
fact that people don't all know whohe is who like he was Boyd Crowder
and Justified, he was the badguy in Shanghai Noon, a Jackie Chano
and Wilson movie, and then he'sBaby Billy and Righteous Jimsons. But he's
just fantastic in everything that he's in, and he's just hilarious and funny and
and can be a villain and canplay all across the map. So like

(52:50):
that dude when he's in something,I am mad when other people don't know
who Walton. I'm like, comeon, guys, it's Walton Goggins and
everybody's like, yeah, I don'tknow what you're talking about. So I
have some like that. Toogs wouldbe on that list. I feel like
I'm going to give you a teaser, and by you, I mean listeners.
I'm going to give you a teaser, and then I'm going to give
you an education. I'm here forboth. Teaser is that in the future

(53:12):
of Yellowstone Pie per Parabo shows upat one point coyote ugly, that's right.
And the education is I let outa gay gasp, and a gay
gasp is when you it's not performative. It's something you can't control. And
when hy Preparabo appeared on screen,I went and it's like you've seen a

(53:32):
ghost and in some ways seeing Piper Parabo show up on a show ghost
ghost. Yeah, and yeah,she's another one for I did a she
looks familiar. I wonder what she'sfrom. And then I looked up.
I was like, and you werelike love then you. I was like,
she's really something. I was like, she's still alive. This is

(53:54):
fantastic, this is great, doinggreat, doing great. To round out
our episode, one thing, thething that I was going to mention earlier
I couldn't remember, and I feelback to you. And then we started
talking about character actresses is I amfrustrated preemptively for myself and this rewatch for
our viewers, because I think alongwith this horrific storyline that Beth has with

(54:20):
Jamie, we introduce a more kindof overt version of it, which is
that women are being killed across theBroken Rock Reservation and Monica is like energized,
energized by it and like, yes, it's happening, but we've got
to stop this. And then shegets put on this task force with rainwater,

(54:44):
and I remember when this happened.I was like, oh, hell
yeah, like they've given her somethingto do and we'll get into what that
turns into in a future episode.But I just wanted to call it out
now so that you guys really rememberas we move forward that this could have
been something really good and I won'ttell you how it turns out. Yeah,

(55:07):
we're not at that episode. Itwould have been a shame to not
mention that storyline starting in our likeour bunk house table talk. It would
have been because it is a it'sa big deal, and it kind of
gets, you know, deprioritized becauseof everything else that happens. But yeah,
and the fact that it doesn't whathappens with Monica's character is it just

(55:29):
is. Maybe you won't find itlistener, Maybe you won't find it disappointing
if you're watching for the first time, but I think most of us did,
so that's unfortunate. Are you Areyou a Chopped watcher? I've watched
Chopped before. I don't watch religiously, but I've seen a couple dozen episodes
probably, So this ends up feelingagain like a little little teaser bit.

(55:50):
Uh. It feels a bit likeyou know, when they give you the
three ingredients and like the third onespoor crimes, and the other two in
like really seamlessly, and then you'relike, hold on on, I still
have pork rimes and they just kindof like like crunch it up and put
it on top. Yeah, likethat's kind of what happens. Yeah,
so stay tuned for the pork rimesand uh and I'll go I'll go off

(56:12):
about it then. But yeah,they just with a with a pork run
crumble. I'd made this with apork run crumble or a U or A
or a. They just take thatterrible sauce or whatever it is, like,
you know, I don't know whatthey you know, rubarb sauce like
with a rhubarb sauce reduction and theyliterally just let it sit in a pan
and just caramelize and they drizzled likea half an ounce on it and they're

(56:34):
like, yeah, it's a youcan really taste the rhubarb in here or
whatever. That's what they do.I love rubarb. Good for you,
happy for you. I don't knowif I don't know if I've ever had
had it. I don't ever hadit. Excuse me, it's it's it's
just a it's just a little tartdelight, Okay, I like I would
describe myself honestly, put me,put me with something sweet? Would I
be? Would I be off baseand saying that I'm the rhubarb to your

(56:59):
strawberry? You would? But it'sa kind thing to say. I've never
been the sweet side of any relationship, I don't think, But I mean,
I could give it a shot,justin I can try to be a
strawberry to you, Ruebarb, ifthat's what you're looking for in this podcast
relationship. I feel uncomfortable now.Our final segment is more uncomfortable than when

(57:20):
you compared your ass to Jesus.I am so tempted to seep in Memoriam.
And this is because I told youwe are not talking about my ass
or Jesus anymore of this episode.And that's not dismissive of Jesus. We
certainly hold Jesus here, which iswhy I'm trying to get away from this.

(57:44):
I don't know why I'm being attackedlike this. I've said it before,
I've said it again. Damn itis homophobic. Yeah, how am
I not the rhubarb? Here isall I'm saying. It's all I'm saying.
I'm the strawberry. This is whythere's a volcano, a super one
underneath your hometown, justin is becauseof how you talk about our Lord Savior.

(58:08):
I'm the strawberry in this situation.Hold on, we have a comment
this long and I like the longones popping in to say I'm looking forward.
This wind calls the heart. Ithas nothing to do with uh yep.
Sorry this ask Jesus Memoriam fruit talk. I walked into and you know
what, we don't have a namehere, but Facebook user, you're damn
right to be part of this.Ask Jesus Memoriam fruit talk conversation either un

(58:35):
the in Memorium we have a weekDan, we have it in Memoria.
We do. There was a cowboyguy that shot himself in the head.
We don't really know why, wedon't. We have no idea, but
we know that that money is goingwhat Sorry, I know this is I
just I kind of get gasped itmyself. There. See now you guys
know what I'm talking about because Itold you I only had dead cowboy guy.

(58:55):
But how ironic that I didn't havesilah. Oh yeah, yeah,
that's true. It's in there too, no doubt about it. I deserve
that super volcano underneath my hometown,I sure do. Now that's right.
Spend a tough episode from you froma standpoint of just being a good person.

(59:16):
Jesus, get a croissant, goodlord, dead cowboy, Gag goes
to heaven, and Sila obviously goesto heaven of course, of course,
absolutely, and I don't and he'svery much alive. But Dan goes to
help man. I went from beingstrawberry to straight to hill in like five

(59:37):
minutes. I think if we've learnedanything this week, I think we've learned
three things. I'd like to leaveour listeners with this. Number one,
do your research on the way thatwomen have been treated and had their health
care infringed upon and their independence constantlythreatened. The second one is that there's

(01:00:01):
always room for a good trailer parkand tornado reference. And the third is
that Dan is a bad person.And yeah, I think that's it.
This is John Dunton Must Die.My name is Justin Kirkland, and I'll
be doing the episodes on my ownmoving forward. Remember to keep the marshmallow

(01:00:21):
in your croissant and keep Jesus inyour heart and then we'll talk to you
next week. You're about to hearsome ads that help keep the lights on
here at the studio. Feel freeto listen, feel free to turn it

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off whatever you want to, buteither way, thanks so much for your
supports. Assasssssssssssssss.