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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Honey pulled. Hi, Welcome to Elvira's Past, Present, and Future.
Always busier before the show, so she you caught me
talking to a lot of other people, But anyway, I'm
on the air and my attention is all on you.
Tonight You're going to talk with Jordan Maxwell and with
Michael Linderman, and we're going to talk about UFOs and
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the New World Order. That should be of interest to everyone.
And Michael Linderman is the author of many books UFOs
and Alien Presence, and we'll talk about that a little
bit later. And Jordan Maxwell, I hope lots of you
caught him on CBS. He did The Ancient Mysteries of
the World and it was a most extremely interesting program.
(01:16):
I enjoyed it very much. I taped it, and I
hope a lot of you saw it, and we'll talk
a little bit about that, but mainly we'll talk about
the role the UFO's play or the alien present place
in that new world order. So stay tuned. It will
be a most interesting show. And now introduction to our guests.
He is a futurist social analyst. He's also an author
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and a lecturer. He is president of the twenty twenty Group,
a private research organization study studying forces that shape our future.
He is dynamic, humorous, and a penetrating speaker who enjoys
challenging the skeptics as well as the believers. Please give
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a big hand to Michael Linderman. Michael, great to have
you on the show.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Very happy to be back.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Ut And this my next guest, is no stranger to
the show. He is also an author, a teacher, and
a lecturer on ancient religion and astro mythology. And he
he is an expert in secret societies and symbols and
how they affect us today. So tonight we'll talk about
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UFOs and the New World Order. And you have two
expert on this panel. Her who y who will tell
you what our future holds. So please give a big
hand to Jordan Maxwell. Jordan, great to have you on
the show. It's always a pleasure to have both of
you on the show because it's kind of kind of
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nice because I know you're like a well of information,
both of you, and and I kind of can shut
off and can allow you to take overly. So Mike,
I'm going to start with you, how do you feel
the UFO phenomena phenomena will fit into the new world order.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, Verra.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I've been thinking about that a lot lately because I'm
rewriting a paper by that title that I first published
in nineteen ninety two, and I realized that things had
changed so much even in the last two years that
I had to look at the whole situation again. And
I think by now probably everyone who hasn't been living
in a cave for the last ten years realizes that
our world is changing at a tremendous rate of speed.
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And I've been reading a lot of the sort of
the straight literature, not the esoteric stuff, but just the
straight literature.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
The newspapers and magazines and all of them are saying,
and all.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
The commentators and the political analysts are saying that with
the end of the Cold War, the world is now
more uncertain, more unstable, more up for grabs, and it's
been in a very long time.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Now, some people think that's very good, some people think
it's not.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
But it's a time when change is the only constant,
and things on the unexpected is the most expected. Okay, Now,
one thing they're not bringing in, the straight press is
not bringing in except as in sort of in the
joke column. Okay, is the UFO phenomenon or I'd like to,
for the sake of your audience, throw a new term,
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a new acronym here. We've been using UFO for five decades.
It's loaded with baggage and it connotes in a lot
of people's minds kind of.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Goofy pseudoscience, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
So what we've realized by now is, first of all,
even though it's extremely strange, it's not goofy. In fact,
some recent studies have demonstrated that even people who claim
to have had on board experiences, who claim to see
aliens literally in their bedroom or in their backyard, these people,
from a clinical point of view, for the most part,
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are not crazy at all. Quite the contrary, they're intelligent, capable,
successful people.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
White collar workers, most of them, college educated, most of them.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
In fact, it's an amazingly high level group of people
who are reporting the most extraordinary experiences. Now, some people
want us to believe that the UFO subject is nothing
but lunatics with goofy ideas, So we're finding out clinically
that isn't true. At the same time, people who've been
studying the phenomenon are convinced that there is a, let's say,
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a secret level to our government and to other governments
where it is recognized that the UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Is not only real but really important.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So the big question is, if all of the politicos
and political analysts and everyone who's talking about the new
world order knows that the world is changing at breakneck speed,
how does this big.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Secret fit in?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Okay, Well, now, to be perfectly frank with you, I
have to say I don't know, but I have a
suspicion that it fits in in a very very big way.
That has always been a very very big problem, and
that what we're looking for is a reorganization of government
and of public opinion which allows us to start telling
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the truth about the UFO phenomenon, because right now it
is probably the single biggest political.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Hot potato that we've got.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And I know that Geordan's got some things to say
about that, so I want to pitch him the ball
now and we can come back. But I really think
that it's the largest unspoken, unacknowledged political problem looming on
the horizon which is going to change the way the
future comes.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Out I'm always amazed that I still run into people
who say I don't believe in it. It's all bullshit,
you know, I mean really like that, you know. And
to me it is just why do you think we
should be the only one? It doesn't even make sense
to me in this galaxy that Earth should be the
only one in life. And you'll get back to the
faith on Mars and all that, Jordan, it's your symbols
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and mysticism, and and of course I love your article
in the book, in this book, and that the book
your church does not want you to read. How does
the UFO phenomena fit and or what do you see
as the new world order?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
How we go back into ancient history and followed the
march of world history from a even prior to the Samerians,
but especially from Samaria than Egypt and Phoenicia and all
of the ancient cultures coming down to our modern day.
There has never existed one culture on the earth that
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did not recognize the gods and the gods who were
behind the kings and the great gods who were behind
all things. Not one culture has ever existed that did
not recognize that there were higher forces at work on
the earth.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I there is no doubt in my mind. Our government is.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Also very keenly aware of the existence of higher intelligences.
And I recall, as I have brought out your program
before that my mother's uncle worked at the Vatican Secretary
of State's office, and in that capacity he was privy
to many things going on in the world of intrigue
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in international politics, and the things he used to talk
about when I was a child, about the occult or
hidden wisdom behind the world scene, and the hidden implications
of the symbols and emblems, and the religious philosophies, and
how these things are all enmeshed in politics, and even
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within the Christian and Jewish religion, there is much proof
in the Bible of the existence of angels or spirit
creatures who are influencing man's destiny. So I have no
problem with believing that there is some sort of a
extraterrestrial if you will, intelligence, because just even the knowledge
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that the ancient Sumerians, for instance, and the Egyptians had
about our universe, about the whole concept of the procession
of the equinox, how the son moves backwards in the signs,
and the different astrological symbols and the astrological terms, and
there's just too much occult or hidden knowledge that was
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known by the ancients that could not have been just intuitive,
had to have been from someone out there who.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Brought the knowledge to us.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
And there's a lot of very good scholarship that's proving
that there has been some sort of a connection between
us and other life forms from out there.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So I think it can be proven.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But how will this how do you see in your opinion,
and Michael, you can answer that and your opinion, how
do you see this kind of getting into fined within
New World government?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, first of all, I want to echo something that
Jordan has said, because I realized I started the thought
that I didn't complete a minute ago, and that was
that when we use the term UFO, it's as if
we're talking about our cars.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
If some beings from another planet came here and.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Went back home and said, boy, they got great cars,
and they said, well that's nice.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
How about the people. No, no, no, the cars they're great. Okay.
It's like that.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
When we talk about UFOs, we're actually talking about contact
with non human intelligence. It could be gods, it could
be angels, it could be aliens. It could be extraterrestrials,
it could be interdimensionals.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
We don't know what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Is we're right at the threshold of realizing that we
belong to this wildly diverse population of intelligent inhabitants of
this maybe right here, of this planet, even things that
live here, that have lived here.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Longer than we have. Even Okay, now, how does it
fit in? It's problematic. If you look at the spread.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Of opinion about the new World Order, there's you could say,
the politically correct view held by people like say Henry
Kissinger on the one hand, and then there's all of
the shades of radical view that kind of spread out
from there that get more and more conspiratorial.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And a lot of it gets very very religious.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Very tied, for example, to apocalyptic Christianity and so forth.
Now I have decided that I can only speak to
the range of opinion and and cannot say right there,
that part, that's the right part right there. I can't
do that, and I don't think it's fair to do that,
because we have a great many different people helping us
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paint a very complex picture here. But generally we're faced
with two or a number of different problems. Problem number one,
are we actually in control of this planet or not?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
All right?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
And I believe that as far as we practically speaking
here on Earth, the people of this planet, that may
turn out to be the fundamental challenging issue of our time.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Are we actually in charge of this planet or not?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Or are we someone else's science experiment, someone else's political ghetto,
someone else someone else's petri dish okay, someone else's penal colony.
There are many definitions that have been applied to this
situation which are extremely problematic. I don't want to arouse
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any religious conniption fits here, but I have been puzzling about,
just as Jordan said, been puzzling a lot about the
various religious traditions of the world, all of whom have
pantheons of gods who are described remarkably the same time
after time after time. And the way it turns out
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is it looks an awful lot as if as if
the gods were not God capital g some entirely transcendental
almighty one super thing, but actually a technologically sophisticated being
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or group of beings more likely, who came in set
up shop, got everyone to build temples and landing fields
and pyramid structures which actually helped them to guide or
maybe even channel energy in and so forth, and became
the pantheons that we today call mythological, but in those
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days were absolutely real. And one of those gods I
think has been figured has figured very large in our
in our existence, and that is the god known as Yahweh.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Now is that god capital g Jehovah, you know, the
one almighty.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
High hon show. Maybe.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But the amazing thing is Yahweh sounds an awful lot,
like a like a rather irascible warlord. If you read
the literature, absolutely okay, and you say to yourself, you know,
one of the most fascinating things about the relationship between
the ancient Hebrews and Yahweh was the ancient Hebrews were
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always disobeying Yahweh. I mean, isn't that why the Hebrews?
Why isn't that why? We say why why?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Today? The big myth is.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
The Jews were always in trouble because they were always
going against God. I had this idea the other day,
was thinking to myself, maybe it's because they had it right,
Maybe it's because Yahweh was a real jerk, you know.
And you know, and and the Jews, being a very
a very willful, very smart people, said, we don't want.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
To follow this guy.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
You know, he's got great saucers, and he's got great guns,
and he's got you know, he's got he does flames
really good.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, but you know, he's a really he's a jerk.
We don't like this guy.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Now, the Boloonians had their gods, and the Sumerians had
their gods, the Egyptians had their gods.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
We had yaweh, what did the gods do?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
They battled each other, but you know, when they were working,
they were off raping people and you know, and burning
other people's villages.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Down and stuff like that. I mean, it says so
in the Bible. Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
If we're going to take the Bible literally, we might
as well take it literally and say, okay, now, what
does this tell us about today? What it tells us
about today is a number of things. First of all,
mythology is a very tricky business, and mythology is always happening.
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We're in a time today when we're building new mythology, okay,
and the mythology is going to in a sense supersede
some of the old mythology. But we're at a time
today when you might say the sky is opening up
and possibilities. We didn't never imagine a raining down on us,
and it's going to get very very surprising, very surprising. Okay,
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scary maybe scary, maybe surprising, definitely. I think when we
start to meet the gods, and I think we will,
we're going to find out that they're not as nice
as we want them to be, and they're not as
powerful as they want us to think they are. But
they do pose a challenge fundamentally, write down bottom line,
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is this our planet or not? And I think that
this is a very good reason for people to sit
up and pay attention, because whether you believe in aliens
or not, whether you believe in the Illuminati or not,
we do have to answer the fundamental question are we
willing to take responsibility for this planet?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
That is the question of the day. Whether you're an
environmentalist or whether.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You're talking about recapturing the democratic process, whatever your particular
angle is, the question is are you willing to take
responsibility for this planet or not? Because there are people
and there are beings out there who are wrestling for
control of this planet. I'm sure of that, and that
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I believe is is where that intersections occurring.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
At that point, I'd like to yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You also let me just say, you write something about
that that we are going into a new agey and
it goes appearance.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Well, yes, and that's according to the Bible.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Yeah, because I believe the Bible is telling us an
encoded story. I think there's more to the story than
has met the eye. But one thing, at one point
I wanted to bring out is that in both the
Old and New Testament of the Bible, in all of
the Bible, all in New Testament, there are only two
scriptures in the entire Bible where the word God is used,
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and of course it's used all the way through. There
are only two scriptures where that word God it means
a nebulous, all encompassing divine spiritual force in the universe.
Only two scriptures. Mean that all of the scriptures in
the Bible that talk about God means actual entities more
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than one.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
That's right, more than one, more than one.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
And that's why even excuse me, more than one, because
in Genesis one one it is a mistranslation to say
in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
That is not what it says.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
In Hebrew.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
It says in the beginning, Elohim created the universe or
created heavens in the earth. Elohim is God in the
plural more than one. That's why later on in Genesis
one our Genesis two, God says, come let us make
man and our image according to our likeness.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Now here's an interesting point. The rabbis that I have talked.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
With say that there are two different ways to understand
that scripture that says in Genesis two God said, come
let us make man in our image.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
According to our likeness.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
There is the one way that we understand that, which
is we are reading it to say that God is
saying to someone, let's make a creature called man, and
we'll call him.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
We'll call him man.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Let's make a creature and we'll make him to look
like us, or have our attributes or whatever or it
could be saying. And the rabbis believe it is actually saying.
The emphasis should be on different words, come let us
make man in our image according to our likeness, implying
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that man's already here, but for being so great he's
not that great. So someone is stepping in and intervening
in our evolution and saying, let's take man and make
him in our image.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Let's fix him.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Let's fix him because right now he's progressing, but it's
going to take him another million years to figure out
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Why don't we take a male and a.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Female, take them over and do something with them genetically,
put them in an area. Because the Bible does not
say that God created man in the garden of Eden.
It says God created the God's created man and put
him into the garden.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
And when they left the garden, they left and found
people out there. It says so in the Bible, Okay,
they were all around the garden were people.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
And when Adam and Eve were told had two sons,
Cain and Abel. When Cain kills his brother Able, God says,
you have to leave out of this protected area. Cain
says to God in the scriptures, do not send me
out there, because anyone finding me out there is going
to kill me. Now he's got God believing this somebody
out there, because God says, no, I'm not going to
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let them kill you. I'll put a mark on you now.
God believes is somebody out there. The point is is
that there must have been people out already there, but
not as highly developed and not highly evolved, so that
it would it would be reasonable if you took a
cave man or a Neanderthal race of people and took
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two out and then through some sort of a high
technology genetically changed them and evolved them quickly, and then
send you back out into a Neanderthal civilization. Now you're
going to be totally different, and they're gonna remember that
you left and now you come back different. It all
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smacks of something else that's in the Bible that we
haven't been told.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So let's let's get this the new world order. You
see it? Do you see it as a breakdown of
the religion and our thinking or have we been taught
or do you actually see it? They will come back
and someone else will rule us. We'll talk about this
in just a few minutes. You'll take a very short
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break and you'll be right back. Hi, welcome back to
il Gira's Past, present, and future. Into our great guests,
Michael Linderman and Jordan Maxwell. And I'm gonna let you
answer that question that I just asked before we went
on a break. I also want to remind you in
a few minutes we will take any phone calls that
you have, and you will take audience participation. So please,
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the mic should be there. Just raise your hand and
let me know when you're ready to speak. Okay, Michael,
you said you'd comment on that.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Part of the problem.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Part of the problem that we face, Elvera is of course,
that government is not a single thing. Government is many layers,
and some of the higher layers are doing things that
the lower layers, meeting the people we elect, don't know about.
At the higher levels, I am now convinced that, first
of all, there is knowledge that these very large global
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issues involving non human intelligences are really looming, and there's
always been a management problem, how to tell the people,
how to control what may happen, and so forth. It
raises a number of disturbing questions. Is any part of
our government actually working with.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Aliens?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
If you want to use a shorthand term, it's not
a good term, but let's say aliens. The answer there
is hard to be sure of. I'm leaning in the
direction of saying yes, probably at the very least.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm now convinced.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That that level of government has quasi military agencies, maybe
not our regular military, but certainly quasi military groups and
agencies monitoring the alien situation very very carefully. Now, if
we look at the range of alien type activities, we
see everything from stuff that looks really bad to stuff
that looks potentially very good. You showed me something when
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we started the before we started the show, this is
this message from the so called Ashtar Command. Now, I've
looked into the Ashtar Command, and I don't want to
scandalize anybody, because there's people watching this who are absolutely
sure that messages like this are, you know, absolutely true,
absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I'm not going to say they're not absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I'm going to say that they're one part of a
very complicated picture. This basically is saying the Ashtar Command
is going to land on the White House law and
they literally say that it's going to happen this year,
and they're going to give us, the people, an opportunity
to choose whether we want help from the aliens. Because
our world is in serious trouble, it's being polluted and
so forth, and we've messed it up.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
They can help us if we want their help. Now.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I want to tell you a very interesting story very quickly,
and then let Jordan go here. There's a wonderful researcher.
She is a PhD researcher named Carla Turner who has
just written a very important book, and I hope that
some of your listeners.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Will go out and get it.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
It's called Taken Inside the Human Alien Abduction Agenda. One
of the things this woman, and she's an abductee herself,
one of the things that she's pointing out is that
a lot of abductees are seeing situations in which the.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Humans are showing up human beings.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Military, many often dressed in military, are showing up in
abduction scenarios as if they are invited to observe or
even perhaps participating. It raises some very scary problems. But
I want to mention one particular thing that happened to her.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
She had her.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Experiences were so alarming to her, and they happened over
many years, and they're happening to her husband as well.
That she began to pray, and she's not a religious person,
she broke down and she said, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Pray about this, Okay. There must be somebody up there listening.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
She said, please tell me what's really going on, And
she had an extraordinary experience. She said, it was like
a dream, but it was so lucid that she knew
it was not a dream.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And in fact, in.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
The middle of it, she literally came out of the
state she was in, got up the middle of the night,
got up, went to the bathroom, looked at her watch,
sat down to think about it, and at that very
second she was back in it. Now what was happening?
She was being shown over and over and over again.
A biblical story of Jacob and Esau. The biblical story
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of Jacob and Esau was the story where Isaac the
elder was dying. Esau, the older son, had given away
his birthright to the younger son, Jacob.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
When Esau was starving, Jacob said, I've got food.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Food.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
You give me your birthright, you can have some food.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Oh that's not how I read it.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
The mother deceived.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Then then then that was the side deal.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Then when it came time, when Isaac was leap, when
he was dying, when it came time, Jacob went in
put a cafskin on his arm so that the father, Isaac,
who was now blind, would say, this is my son
Esaw who has the hairy body. Okay, all right now.
They showed her this story over and over and over again.
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They said, do you understand what we're telling you. This
is not about the Bible. This is about what has
happened on your planet. This is how it went.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
This is a symbol. Listen carefully.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Esa was the original Humana gave up his birthright, not
because he wanted to, but because he was manipulated.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Jacob is the new human.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Okay, Jacob was given this by an act of God,
if you will, but it was born of deception.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
This is the story. It is happening again.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
They went further, very important, because here we have this
story here where the Ashtark command is going to come
in in peace and love and light and save us
from our stupidity. These beings said to Karla Turner, you
will hear stories that the aliens are going to present
themselves as your savior at the time when you are
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no longer able to run your own affairs. They will
come in in peace and love and light. They will
seem godlike. They will want to save you. They will
offer you the option, These beings said to her, don't
buy it. You fell for it once, don't fall for
it again. They said, if you really want to know
what's happening, there are lots of options out there, and
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now you must choose if you are going to give
it away again or if you are going to say
not this time. We'll do this ourselves, will show we can,
will show we're strong enough, We'll show we're willing to
be that kind of smart, that kind of discipline. Not again,
you will not take it from us again. Now, I
happen to feel that that is a very possible correct
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interpretation of the situation, that we're going to be charged.
We're gonna be challenged to really use our discrimination.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
This time and think and not just give our power away.
Jordan comment on that because this is right up your alley, all.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
This It certainly is, because I had not heard this
story before. But it certainly strikes a note with me,
because I am aware that the ancients.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Were led by.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Other worldly knowledge to set up what we today call
the zodiac, the astronological symbols of the zodiac, and that
each one of these two thousand, two hundred and fifty years,
whatever it is, it's a little over two thousand years
for each one of the cycles of the zodiac, the signs.
When the sun comes into each one of the zodeological signs,
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we are in that sign for a little over two
thousand years, and according to astrology, we have been in
the age of Pisces. And that was, of course, Jesus
was the great fisherman, the fishes on the back of
Christian cars.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
The fish, of course was Pisces.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
And then Jesus says to his apostles in Luke twenty
two to ten.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
When asked, where are we going to go when we
leave for the last passover? Where do we go next?
Speaker 5 (29:30):
And Jesus says to his twelve, which is interesting that
it was twelve apostles, yes, because of the twelve signs
as a zodiac. He says, go into the city and
you will see a man with the water pitcher, and
go into the house with the man with the water picture.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
We're talking about.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
The Sun, God's son, the light of the world, the Sun,
saying to his twelve, the next sign we will go
into as.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
The man with the water picture.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Now, what I'm saying in relation to what he brought
out is that when now talking about a new world order,
ANOVAs audosiclorum, which comes from Virgil, incidentally, the.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Roman poet Virgil.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
But it seems as though we are being set up
to accept something that's coming to be a great new
world order kingdom of the gods. The gods are going
to come back, and I think what Michael was saying
is very germane to my research, that we are being
set up to accept something as a.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Great and new world order.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Kingdom in which all mankind will live in peace and harmony.
I think we're being set up for something very serious
and very big by some very powerful secret societies that
very well could have extraterrestrial or other world intelligence guiding it.
I am very fearful for the world we live in
because we bought it hook line and sinker, and all
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over the world we have accepted the authority as truth
rather than true as the authority. And I think that
what Michael was saying is exactly right. I think we
are being led into and we do have other options,
but it's going to require intellect, knowledge, study, and making
a stand for the first time not to accept the
things which your government gives you, which your religions give you,
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and which the authorities give you, because as far as
I'm concerned, I have a very big problem with anyone
called an authority because they're always nebulous, faceless.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
And we don't know who they are.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
And the authorities say, I'm tired of authorities. I want
to know who's behind this new world order? Who put
the Egyptian pyramid on the dollar bill? What is the
implication of Jesus being the chief cornerstone that the builders rejected?
And the Greek chief cornerstone means a triangle on top.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Of a pyramid.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Do your homework and you're going to find out there's
something going on here in the Bible in world affairs,
and I think we're being led by some very powerful intellects.
I have some very big questions about all of this.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
And the house of cars it's going to now. I
wanted to quickly because I do want to put out
that you have written several books, and I have one
of them here, and I wanted to say you stick
strictly to facts, though, because I know I read the book,
you do not use this mythology simply because that's what
you chose to do. As another book book in the works, yes,
where you will use more of this type of story
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that you just told us, or these types of.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yes, the answer to your question is yes, and I'll
tell you why. As I said at the beginning of
the show, I cannot say that this part is true
and the rest is not.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Okay, what I can say.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Is that there is this very powerful conversation occurring which
is shaping a new mythology, whether we like it or not.
I'm not saying it's true, but I am saying it's powerful.
I'm saying it's happening, it's occurring.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
And behind every mythology.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
I know Jordan will agree with this, Behind every mythology,
there are surprising truths. There are things that are true,
and you have to dig down through the levels of interpretation.
But I do believe that in the mythologies of the
gods there were true encounters with quasi divine, super powerful beings.
I believe that we see this occurring today. I am inclined, yes, definitely,
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to stick to the facts, but we have to realize
too that it is not just facts the drive history forward.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
But what I'm trying to say is you started out
with really sticking to facts and just doing research, and
your kind of as you've got all the facts, you
drew different conclusion.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yes, And I want to say again, I am trying
to present a range of possibilities, not saying that any
one of these possibilities is a fact, but that if
we start to try to understand what the facts add
up to, we start to see these very large, complex pictures. Okay,
we are in a time of huge uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
No matter who you ask, you'll get that answer definitely.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
And what is driving the uncertainty are some of the
most extraordinary, unacknowledged things that we have ever encountered. And
I believe that some of those things are the things
we've been talking about. I would add one very quick thing.
I share Jordan's view that a lot of the so
called religious authority is going to come into serious question
in the future. But I would also like to point
out that the woman whose story I just told you
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is not a religious woman, quite the contrary. But she
took in effect a spiritual leap of faith by sitting
down against her common practice sitting down and praying. And
when she opened herself and said I really need some
help here, I really need to know what the heck
is going on, she got this extraordinary response, which was
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crystal clear, which took her all night long. She was
carried up into this event and it was absolutely crystal
clear to her. Now, what I get from that is
that sometimes spiritual truth arrives in unexpected packages, okay, and
it is there to be found.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I am not rejecting that one bit.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I just think that we should not jump to the
most handy or most comforting spiritual truth that happens to
be lying around.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Really, you're gonna take a car Eva, you're on the
airline one.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Hello, gentlemen, have you ever heard or read missus Blobotskam?
Speaker 5 (35:16):
She's uh sa Helena Petrovna Boblotsky. Yes, yes, I have
all of her works.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
You have, yes, Well, that's why, yes.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I think her.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Her Her best work was Icy's Unveiled Part two, which
is UH theology, right, and uh that was an exceptional
uh work. I think that Helena Petrovna Bobolotsky, the Russian mystic,
was a very wise and perceptive lady, and she had
some very.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Profound uh knowledge. Uh.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Obviously in her academic uh achievements we were extraordinary, and
so I have a very high respect for the work
of Helena Bovotsky. It does not necessarily have to be
that I follow every single thing that she believed, but
I believe her work was monumental in.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
This In this Uh, Eve, did you have a certain
question that you wanted to ask her?
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Well, because everything that she wrote about now is like
an echo.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Okay, that is a lot of cinematic right, great, very mine,
Thank thanks for sharing. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
I think it's interesting she said in the eighteen nineties
that in the nineteen nineties, she said, in one hundred years,
we're going to have a whole new explosion of of
understanding that's going to stagger the imagination of religionists and
people of religion and uh, and people who really just
haven't looked at these subjects very Uh, they're going to
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be forced to look at some very powerful facts concerning
our existence on this earth.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
And uh.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
I I am really very much dedicated to the proposition
that we have to, as human beings, do some homework.
We had better find out where these religious ideas have
come from, concepts and belief systems have come from. Because,
as I had brought out in your program many times before,
there was a definite collusion between government and religion in
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this world that we live in today and especially in America?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Is that true?
Speaker 5 (37:18):
And societies yes, and secret societies behind both.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
If you take another call, Michael lying two, you're on
their Hello Hello, Michael, are you there?
Speaker 8 (37:31):
Hello?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (37:33):
Yes? Do you have you ever read the book Behold
a Talehorse by Milton William Cooper?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
I was a guest on William Cooper's program a couple
of times.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I've had dinner with him. I know him well.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I've read his book and uh so I find it
to be a very fascinating book and he has a
lot of very important material in there.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
Uh, you do know that they did burn down his
station when he predicted they were going to kill the
people at h at Wacover.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
That's what I heard. I don't know if that.
Speaker 8 (37:58):
Yeah, it's doctor. Have you read the book Inside the
New Age? Uh Nightmare by uh Randall and and Bayer?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, I h I have the book, I just haven't
gone in.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
He was uh recently eliminated too.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
He's dead now.
Speaker 8 (38:11):
And also as for ray Rennick, I'm afraid that he's
a victim of what they call the head on a
post a syringe, a shot that they give you to
eliminate people like him that bring great truth out. And
in s incidentally, many people in Santa Barbara under surveillance,
many many people. Since the sixties Blueprint UH Blue UH
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Project Blue Book had an office at the UCSP and
then there was a connection with the Center for the
Study of Democratic Institutions, which was funded by the Rockefellers.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
It's a big NEWSI UH.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
Brazinski Kissinger used to go there. All these people used
to go there. When I was sixteen years old, I
worked there.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Hm uh let me let me at this point bring
us Michael. Yeah, on the UH.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
When the President of the United States gives his UH
State of the Union message in that hall at you
will see almost every night on television someone giving a
lecturer or a speech on something at that large Caucasus room.
There are there both sides of the podium are two
symbols of political power in America, and they're called fascised.
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They're mundle of sticks with a hatchet head, and they
are the symbols of world fascism. As I have brought
out in your program before, I think that we are
in our country and our people are in the hands
of some very very powerful secret societies. Symbols of fascism, Nazism,
communism are all around us, and we don't even know
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what these symbols mean.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
And so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
And I also am am a firm believer that there's
some sort of a connection between Nazism, fascism, communism.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
And secret societies.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
I think that can be proven. Then again, to take
the next step, I think behind secret societies there are
some very powerful intellects manipulating us, says a people in
our country and perhaps all throughout the world.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I really needed to throw in a sort of a
different kind of a curve ball here, especially when a
gentleman like this calls and describes people who've been killed
and so forth.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
We do know, of.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Course that people have been intimidated, some people have been.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Treated very severely.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
That's been true in other countries, it's been true here
as well.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
But I think we.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Should not allow ourselves to be overly intimidated by that.
We're coming to a time when we really have an
opportunity to be very vocal about whether or not we
want the world to come out the way we want
it or not. We're going to have to stand up
and be counted. And I think that now is not
the time to say, well, someone got killed and therefore
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we should hide and run away.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Not at all.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
I think that we're at a time when we have
more democratic possibilities than we've ever had before. This program
is an indication, for example, that we can do.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Literally on a shoe string with volunteer help.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
We can do good television, and we can have you know,
significant conversations week after week. We're getting more and more
opportunities for self publishing. We're getting more and more opportunities
for work on the computer networks, which allow people to
share more information more rapidly than ever before. And now
is the time when those technologies are more available to
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the common citizen than they've ever been before, which means,
if we if we choose it, the so called information
monopolies have been broken. Now there are efforts to re
to to to regain control over that because the people
in charge know know the threat, the time of day,
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they know the threat. Okay, So now is the time
for people to recognize that citizenship has never been more
important than before, it's than it is today, that the
choices belong to us now, and that how how long
that windows stays open is largely up to us now,
So by all means, do not be afraid of the
current situation. Literally, it's up for grabs for everyone. You're
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not more in the dark than the next person. Quite
the contrary. We're all in this together. And I really
do think that now is the time to stand up
and be counted, and that may mean that things get
very very active, very very active.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Don't be afraid to, you know, to get active.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Whatever your cause is, whatever your voice wants to say,
say it now, because if you sit back now, things.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Are going to get very scary, very much so. I
think that this is the same kind of thing that
the German people faced and Nazi and I don't hitless Germany.
The point being is that so many people just let
things go to go along, to get along, and before
you know it, the government became so powerful and things
got out of hand until finally there was no reason
now to fight at all.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
I think we're fastly.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
Reaching that point in our country where eventually we're going
to be faced with either stand up now or not
stand up at all.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I want to make one quick point on that.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Don't forget Germany. What was there too is lots of unemployment,
and people look at him as a.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
That's what fascist nothing, you know, that's when fascism takes over.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
That's right, do simple homework on simple information. One of
the most obvious examples of the situation we're in today
is the difference between the public perception about crime and
the actual statistics about crime.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
And it is the public perception.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
About crime which is allowing all of the new crime
bills to be brought in, all of the new repressive
gun control legislation to come in. It's not that I
suggest people carry guns. I don't like guns, but the
difference between perception and reality is huge.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
As a matter of fact, crime is way down, way down.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
According to the FBI, violent crime is nine percent lower
today than it.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Was in nineteen eighty one when it peaked out.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
And yet if you ask the general public, what they're
finding is more than eighty percent of the public beliefs
that crime is at an.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
All time high. Nothing could be further from the truth.
We're being fed a pack.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Of bologne, which allows this kind of legislation to be
driven through, which becomes then the biggest issue on everybody's lips.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
But the fact is society is getting safer, not less safe.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
And we have to understand that a little bit of
simple homework can show you that anytime. Go out and
buy Money magazine this month and you'll see what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Time after time after time.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
These misconceptions allow these travesties of justice and injustice to occur.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, but at the same time, you put the television on.
I do not even like to watch news because I mean,
they're drive by shooting, right, But that's what.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
They put in.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
That's what they put on television, and that creates an
unreal past.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
And it takes yes, and it takes our our and
they do not focus really on the government. You focus
on the fear right taking into our own powers.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Why do you think that the justice system in California
is called the criminal justice system California criminal justice. It's
my perception that we are being given the justice by criminals,
and they tell us that they have to let all
of these people that yeah, in administered by criminals, and
they're telling us they have to leave the let these
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murderers and people go free because they don't have the
room in the prisons yet. If they catch you cheating
ten dollars on your income taxes. They'll find you in
Afghanistan and bring you back and they'll have plenty of room.
So the point I'm making is that we've been lied
to by our government, and we're continually being lied to
about everything, and we're all being led into the sphere
and coming new world order. And I'm saying it's time
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to wake up and do some homework.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, to wake up to actually also not buy into
the fear.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah, and get your own power and be counted.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Sure, And I'm sorry if you don't have another hour,
but we only have thirty seconds left.
Speaker 6 (46:10):
Super
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Y Stu
Honey pulled. Hi, Welcome to Elvira's Past, Present, and Future.
Always busier before the show, so she you caught me
talking to a lot of other people, But anyway, I'm
on the air and my attention is all on you.
Tonight You're going to talk with Jordan Maxwell and with
Michael Linderman, and we're going to talk about UFOs and
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the New World Order. That should be of interest to everyone.
And Michael Linderman is the author of many books UFOs
and Alien Presence, and we'll talk about that a little
bit later. And Jordan Maxwell, I hope lots of you
caught him on CBS. He did The Ancient Mysteries of
the World and it was a most extremely interesting program.
(01:16):
I enjoyed it very much. I taped it, and I
hope a lot of you saw it, and we'll talk
a little bit about that, but mainly we'll talk about
the role the UFO's play or the alien present place
in that new world order. So stay tuned. It will
be a most interesting show. And now introduction to our guests.
He is a futurist social analyst. He's also an author
(01:40):
and a lecturer. He is president of the twenty twenty Group,
a private research organization study studying forces that shape our future.
He is dynamic, humorous, and a penetrating speaker who enjoys
challenging the skeptics as well as the believers. Please give
(02:02):
a big hand to Michael Linderman. Michael, great to have
you on the show.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Very happy to be back.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Ut And this my next guest, is no stranger to
the show. He is also an author, a teacher, and
a lecturer on ancient religion and astro mythology. And he
he is an expert in secret societies and symbols and
how they affect us today. So tonight we'll talk about
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UFOs and the New World Order. And you have two
expert on this panel. Her who y who will tell
you what our future holds. So please give a big
hand to Jordan Maxwell. Jordan, great to have you on
the show. It's always a pleasure to have both of
you on the show because it's kind of kind of
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nice because I know you're like a well of information,
both of you, and and I kind of can shut
off and can allow you to take overly. So Mike,
I'm going to start with you, how do you feel
the UFO phenomena phenomena will fit into the new world order.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, Verra.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I've been thinking about that a lot lately because I'm
rewriting a paper by that title that I first published
in nineteen ninety two, and I realized that things had
changed so much even in the last two years that
I had to look at the whole situation again. And
I think by now probably everyone who hasn't been living
in a cave for the last ten years realizes that
our world is changing at a tremendous rate of speed.
(03:37):
And I've been reading a lot of the sort of
the straight literature, not the esoteric stuff, but just the
straight literature.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
The newspapers and magazines and all of them are saying,
and all.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
The commentators and the political analysts are saying that with
the end of the Cold War, the world is now
more uncertain, more unstable, more up for grabs, and it's
been in a very long time.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Now, some people think that's very good, some people think
it's not.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
But it's a time when change is the only constant,
and things on the unexpected is the most expected. Okay, Now,
one thing they're not bringing in, the straight press is
not bringing in except as in sort of in the
joke column. Okay, is the UFO phenomenon or I'd like to,
for the sake of your audience, throw a new term,
(04:24):
a new acronym here. We've been using UFO for five decades.
It's loaded with baggage and it connotes in a lot
of people's minds kind of.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Goofy pseudoscience, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
So what we've realized by now is, first of all,
even though it's extremely strange, it's not goofy. In fact,
some recent studies have demonstrated that even people who claim
to have had on board experiences, who claim to see
aliens literally in their bedroom or in their backyard, these people,
from a clinical point of view, for the most part,
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are not crazy at all. Quite the contrary, they're intelligent, capable,
successful people.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
White collar workers, most of them, college educated, most of them.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
In fact, it's an amazingly high level group of people
who are reporting the most extraordinary experiences. Now, some people
want us to believe that the UFO subject is nothing
but lunatics with goofy ideas, So we're finding out clinically
that isn't true. At the same time, people who've been
studying the phenomenon are convinced that there is a, let's say,
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a secret level to our government and to other governments
where it is recognized that the UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Is not only real but really important.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
So the big question is, if all of the politicos
and political analysts and everyone who's talking about the new
world order knows that the world is changing at breakneck speed,
how does this big.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Secret fit in?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Okay, Well, now, to be perfectly frank with you, I
have to say I don't know, but I have a
suspicion that it fits in in a very very big way.
That has always been a very very big problem, and
that what we're looking for is a reorganization of government
and of public opinion which allows us to start telling
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the truth about the UFO phenomenon, because right now it
is probably the single biggest political.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Hot potato that we've got.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
And I know that Geordan's got some things to say
about that, so I want to pitch him the ball
now and we can come back. But I really think
that it's the largest unspoken, unacknowledged political problem looming on
the horizon which is going to change the way the
future comes.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Out I'm always amazed that I still run into people
who say I don't believe in it. It's all bullshit,
you know, I mean really like that, you know. And
to me it is just why do you think we
should be the only one? It doesn't even make sense
to me in this galaxy that Earth should be the
only one in life. And you'll get back to the
faith on Mars and all that, Jordan, it's your symbols
(07:03):
and mysticism, and and of course I love your article
in the book, in this book, and that the book
your church does not want you to read. How does
the UFO phenomena fit and or what do you see
as the new world order?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well?
Speaker 5 (07:19):
How we go back into ancient history and followed the
march of world history from a even prior to the Samerians,
but especially from Samaria than Egypt and Phoenicia and all
of the ancient cultures coming down to our modern day.
There has never existed one culture on the earth that
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did not recognize the gods and the gods who were
behind the kings and the great gods who were behind
all things. Not one culture has ever existed that did
not recognize that there were higher forces at work on
the earth.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I there is no doubt in my mind. Our government is.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Also very keenly aware of the existence of higher intelligences.
And I recall, as I have brought out your program
before that my mother's uncle worked at the Vatican Secretary
of State's office, and in that capacity he was privy
to many things going on in the world of intrigue
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in international politics, and the things he used to talk
about when I was a child, about the occult or
hidden wisdom behind the world scene, and the hidden implications
of the symbols and emblems, and the religious philosophies, and
how these things are all enmeshed in politics, and even
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within the Christian and Jewish religion, there is much proof
in the Bible of the existence of angels or spirit
creatures who are influencing man's destiny. So I have no
problem with believing that there is some sort of a
extraterrestrial if you will, intelligence, because just even the knowledge
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that the ancient Sumerians, for instance, and the Egyptians had
about our universe, about the whole concept of the procession
of the equinox, how the son moves backwards in the signs,
and the different astrological symbols and the astrological terms, and
there's just too much occult or hidden knowledge that was
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known by the ancients that could not have been just intuitive,
had to have been from someone out there who.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Brought the knowledge to us.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
And there's a lot of very good scholarship that's proving
that there has been some sort of a connection between
us and other life forms from out there.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
So I think it can be proven.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But how will this how do you see in your opinion,
and Michael, you can answer that and your opinion, how
do you see this kind of getting into fined within
New World government?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, first of all, I want to echo something that
Jordan has said, because I realized I started the thought
that I didn't complete a minute ago, and that was
that when we use the term UFO, it's as if
we're talking about our cars.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
If some beings from another planet came here and.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Went back home and said, boy, they got great cars,
and they said, well that's nice.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
How about the people. No, no, no, the cars they're great. Okay.
It's like that.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
When we talk about UFOs, we're actually talking about contact
with non human intelligence. It could be gods, it could
be angels, it could be aliens. It could be extraterrestrials,
it could be interdimensionals.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
We don't know what it looks like.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Is we're right at the threshold of realizing that we
belong to this wildly diverse population of intelligent inhabitants of
this maybe right here, of this planet, even things that
live here, that have lived here.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Longer than we have. Even Okay, now, how does it
fit in? It's problematic. If you look at the spread.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Of opinion about the new World Order, there's you could say,
the politically correct view held by people like say Henry
Kissinger on the one hand, and then there's all of
the shades of radical view that kind of spread out
from there that get more and more conspiratorial.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And a lot of it gets very very religious.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Very tied, for example, to apocalyptic Christianity and so forth.
Now I have decided that I can only speak to
the range of opinion and and cannot say right there,
that part, that's the right part right there. I can't
do that, and I don't think it's fair to do that,
because we have a great many different people helping us
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paint a very complex picture here. But generally we're faced
with two or a number of different problems. Problem number one,
are we actually in control of this planet or not?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
All right?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
And I believe that as far as we practically speaking
here on Earth, the people of this planet, that may
turn out to be the fundamental challenging issue of our time.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Are we actually in charge of this planet or not?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Or are we someone else's science experiment, someone else's political ghetto,
someone else someone else's petri dish okay, someone else's penal colony.
There are many definitions that have been applied to this
situation which are extremely problematic. I don't want to arouse
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any religious conniption fits here, but I have been puzzling about,
just as Jordan said, been puzzling a lot about the
various religious traditions of the world, all of whom have
pantheons of gods who are described remarkably the same time
after time after time. And the way it turns out
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is it looks an awful lot as if as if
the gods were not God capital g some entirely transcendental
almighty one super thing, but actually a technologically sophisticated being
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or group of beings more likely, who came in set
up shop, got everyone to build temples and landing fields
and pyramid structures which actually helped them to guide or
maybe even channel energy in and so forth, and became
the pantheons that we today call mythological, but in those
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days were absolutely real. And one of those gods I
think has been figured has figured very large in our
in our existence, and that is the god known as Yahweh.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Now is that god capital g Jehovah, you know, the
one almighty.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
High hon show. Maybe.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But the amazing thing is Yahweh sounds an awful lot,
like a like a rather irascible warlord. If you read
the literature, absolutely okay, and you say to yourself, you know,
one of the most fascinating things about the relationship between
the ancient Hebrews and Yahweh was the ancient Hebrews were
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always disobeying Yahweh. I mean, isn't that why the Hebrews?
Why isn't that why? We say why why?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Today? The big myth is.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
The Jews were always in trouble because they were always
going against God. I had this idea the other day,
was thinking to myself, maybe it's because they had it right,
Maybe it's because Yahweh was a real jerk, you know.
And you know, and and the Jews, being a very
a very willful, very smart people, said, we don't want.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
To follow this guy.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
You know, he's got great saucers, and he's got great guns,
and he's got you know, he's got he does flames
really good.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, but you know, he's a really he's a jerk.
We don't like this guy.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Now, the Boloonians had their gods, and the Sumerians had
their gods, the Egyptians had their gods.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
We had yaweh, what did the gods do?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
They battled each other, but you know, when they were working,
they were off raping people and you know, and burning
other people's villages.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Down and stuff like that. I mean, it says so
in the Bible. Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
If we're going to take the Bible literally, we might
as well take it literally and say, okay, now, what
does this tell us about today? What it tells us
about today is a number of things. First of all,
mythology is a very tricky business, and mythology is always happening.
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We're in a time today when we're building new mythology, okay,
and the mythology is going to in a sense supersede
some of the old mythology. But we're at a time
today when you might say the sky is opening up
and possibilities. We didn't never imagine a raining down on us,
and it's going to get very very surprising, very surprising. Okay,
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scary maybe scary, maybe surprising, definitely. I think when we
start to meet the gods, and I think we will,
we're going to find out that they're not as nice
as we want them to be, and they're not as
powerful as they want us to think they are. But
they do pose a challenge fundamentally, write down bottom line,
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is this our planet or not? And I think that
this is a very good reason for people to sit
up and pay attention, because whether you believe in aliens
or not, whether you believe in the Illuminati or not,
we do have to answer the fundamental question are we
willing to take responsibility for this planet?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
That is the question of the day. Whether you're an
environmentalist or whether.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You're talking about recapturing the democratic process, whatever your particular
angle is, the question is are you willing to take
responsibility for this planet or not? Because there are people
and there are beings out there who are wrestling for
control of this planet. I'm sure of that, and that
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I believe is is where that intersections occurring.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
At that point, I'd like to yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You also let me just say, you write something about
that that we are going into a new agey and
it goes appearance.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Well, yes, and that's according to the Bible.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Yeah, because I believe the Bible is telling us an
encoded story. I think there's more to the story than
has met the eye. But one thing, at one point
I wanted to bring out is that in both the
Old and New Testament of the Bible, in all of
the Bible, all in New Testament, there are only two
scriptures in the entire Bible where the word God is used,
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and of course it's used all the way through. There
are only two scriptures where that word God it means
a nebulous, all encompassing divine spiritual force in the universe.
Only two scriptures. Mean that all of the scriptures in
the Bible that talk about God means actual entities more
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than one.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
That's right, more than one, more than one.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
And that's why even excuse me, more than one, because
in Genesis one one it is a mistranslation to say
in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
That is not what it says.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
In Hebrew.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
It says in the beginning, Elohim created the universe or
created heavens in the earth. Elohim is God in the
plural more than one. That's why later on in Genesis
one our Genesis two, God says, come let us make
man and our image according to our likeness.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Now here's an interesting point. The rabbis that I have talked.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
With say that there are two different ways to understand
that scripture that says in Genesis two God said, come
let us make man in our image.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
According to our likeness.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
There is the one way that we understand that, which
is we are reading it to say that God is
saying to someone, let's make a creature called man, and
we'll call him.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
We'll call him man.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Let's make a creature and we'll make him to look
like us, or have our attributes or whatever or it
could be saying. And the rabbis believe it is actually saying.
The emphasis should be on different words, come let us
make man in our image according to our likeness, implying
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that man's already here, but for being so great he's
not that great. So someone is stepping in and intervening
in our evolution and saying, let's take man and make
him in our image.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Let's fix him.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Let's fix him because right now he's progressing, but it's
going to take him another million years to figure out
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Why don't we take a male and a.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Female, take them over and do something with them genetically,
put them in an area. Because the Bible does not
say that God created man in the garden of Eden.
It says God created the God's created man and put
him into the garden.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
And when they left the garden, they left and found
people out there. It says so in the Bible, Okay,
they were all around the garden were people.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
And when Adam and Eve were told had two sons,
Cain and Abel. When Cain kills his brother Able, God says,
you have to leave out of this protected area. Cain
says to God in the scriptures, do not send me
out there, because anyone finding me out there is going
to kill me. Now he's got God believing this somebody
out there, because God says, no, I'm not going to
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let them kill you. I'll put a mark on you now.
God believes is somebody out there. The point is is
that there must have been people out already there, but
not as highly developed and not highly evolved, so that
it would it would be reasonable if you took a
cave man or a Neanderthal race of people and took
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two out and then through some sort of a high
technology genetically changed them and evolved them quickly, and then
send you back out into a Neanderthal civilization. Now you're
going to be totally different, and they're gonna remember that
you left and now you come back different. It all
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smacks of something else that's in the Bible that we
haven't been told.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
So let's let's get this the new world order. You
see it? Do you see it as a breakdown of
the religion and our thinking or have we been taught
or do you actually see it? They will come back
and someone else will rule us. We'll talk about this
in just a few minutes. You'll take a very short
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break and you'll be right back. Hi, welcome back to
il Gira's Past, present, and future. Into our great guests,
Michael Linderman and Jordan Maxwell. And I'm gonna let you
answer that question that I just asked before we went
on a break. I also want to remind you in
a few minutes we will take any phone calls that
you have, and you will take audience participation. So please,
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the mic should be there. Just raise your hand and
let me know when you're ready to speak. Okay, Michael,
you said you'd comment on that.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Part of the problem.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Part of the problem that we face, Elvera is of course,
that government is not a single thing. Government is many layers,
and some of the higher layers are doing things that
the lower layers, meeting the people we elect, don't know about.
At the higher levels, I am now convinced that, first
of all, there is knowledge that these very large global
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issues involving non human intelligences are really looming, and there's
always been a management problem, how to tell the people,
how to control what may happen, and so forth. It
raises a number of disturbing questions. Is any part of
our government actually working with.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Aliens?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
If you want to use a shorthand term, it's not
a good term, but let's say aliens. The answer there
is hard to be sure of. I'm leaning in the
direction of saying yes, probably at the very least.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm now convinced.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
That that level of government has quasi military agencies, maybe
not our regular military, but certainly quasi military groups and
agencies monitoring the alien situation very very carefully. Now, if
we look at the range of alien type activities, we
see everything from stuff that looks really bad to stuff
that looks potentially very good. You showed me something when
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we started the before we started the show, this is
this message from the so called Ashtar Command. Now, I've
looked into the Ashtar Command, and I don't want to
scandalize anybody, because there's people watching this who are absolutely
sure that messages like this are, you know, absolutely true,
absolutely true.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I'm not going to say they're not absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I'm going to say that they're one part of a
very complicated picture. This basically is saying the Ashtar Command
is going to land on the White House law and
they literally say that it's going to happen this year,
and they're going to give us, the people, an opportunity
to choose whether we want help from the aliens. Because
our world is in serious trouble, it's being polluted and
so forth, and we've messed it up.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
They can help us if we want their help. Now.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I want to tell you a very interesting story very quickly,
and then let Jordan go here. There's a wonderful researcher.
She is a PhD researcher named Carla Turner who has
just written a very important book, and I hope that
some of your listeners.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Will go out and get it.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
It's called Taken Inside the Human Alien Abduction Agenda. One
of the things this woman, and she's an abductee herself,
one of the things that she's pointing out is that
a lot of abductees are seeing situations in which the.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Humans are showing up human beings.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Military, many often dressed in military, are showing up in
abduction scenarios as if they are invited to observe or
even perhaps participating. It raises some very scary problems. But
I want to mention one particular thing that happened to her.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
She had her.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Experiences were so alarming to her, and they happened over
many years, and they're happening to her husband as well.
That she began to pray, and she's not a religious person,
she broke down and she said, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Pray about this, Okay. There must be somebody up there listening.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
She said, please tell me what's really going on, And
she had an extraordinary experience. She said, it was like
a dream, but it was so lucid that she knew
it was not a dream.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And in fact, in.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
The middle of it, she literally came out of the
state she was in, got up the middle of the night,
got up, went to the bathroom, looked at her watch,
sat down to think about it, and at that very
second she was back in it. Now what was happening?
She was being shown over and over and over again.
A biblical story of Jacob and Esau. The biblical story
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of Jacob and Esau was the story where Isaac the
elder was dying. Esau, the older son, had given away
his birthright to the younger son, Jacob.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
When Esau was starving, Jacob said, I've got food.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Food.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
You give me your birthright, you can have some food.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Oh that's not how I read it.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
The mother deceived.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Then then then that was the side deal.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Then when it came time, when Isaac was leap, when
he was dying, when it came time, Jacob went in
put a cafskin on his arm so that the father, Isaac,
who was now blind, would say, this is my son
Esaw who has the hairy body. Okay, all right now.
They showed her this story over and over and over again.
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They said, do you understand what we're telling you. This
is not about the Bible. This is about what has
happened on your planet. This is how it went.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
This is a symbol. Listen carefully.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Esa was the original Humana gave up his birthright, not
because he wanted to, but because he was manipulated.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Jacob is the new human.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Okay, Jacob was given this by an act of God,
if you will, but it was born of deception.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
This is the story. It is happening again.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
They went further, very important, because here we have this
story here where the Ashtark command is going to come
in in peace and love and light and save us
from our stupidity. These beings said to Karla Turner, you
will hear stories that the aliens are going to present
themselves as your savior at the time when you are
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no longer able to run your own affairs. They will
come in in peace and love and light. They will
seem godlike. They will want to save you. They will
offer you the option, These beings said to her, don't
buy it. You fell for it once, don't fall for
it again. They said, if you really want to know
what's happening, there are lots of options out there, and
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now you must choose if you are going to give
it away again or if you are going to say
not this time. We'll do this ourselves, will show we can,
will show we're strong enough, We'll show we're willing to
be that kind of smart, that kind of discipline. Not again,
you will not take it from us again. Now, I
happen to feel that that is a very possible correct
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interpretation of the situation, that we're going to be charged.
We're gonna be challenged to really use our discrimination.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
This time and think and not just give our power away.
Jordan comment on that because this is right up your alley, all.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
This It certainly is, because I had not heard this
story before. But it certainly strikes a note with me,
because I am aware that the ancients.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Were led by.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
Other worldly knowledge to set up what we today call
the zodiac, the astronological symbols of the zodiac, and that
each one of these two thousand, two hundred and fifty years,
whatever it is, it's a little over two thousand years
for each one of the cycles of the zodiac, the signs.
When the sun comes into each one of the zodeological signs,
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we are in that sign for a little over two
thousand years, and according to astrology, we have been in
the age of Pisces. And that was, of course, Jesus
was the great fisherman, the fishes on the back of
Christian cars.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
The fish, of course was Pisces.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
And then Jesus says to his apostles in Luke twenty
two to ten.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
When asked, where are we going to go when we
leave for the last passover? Where do we go next?
Speaker 5 (29:30):
And Jesus says to his twelve, which is interesting that
it was twelve apostles, yes, because of the twelve signs
as a zodiac. He says, go into the city and
you will see a man with the water pitcher, and
go into the house with the man with the water picture.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
We're talking about.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
The Sun, God's son, the light of the world, the Sun,
saying to his twelve, the next sign we will go
into as.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
The man with the water picture.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Now, what I'm saying in relation to what he brought
out is that when now talking about a new world order,
ANOVAs audosiclorum, which comes from Virgil, incidentally, the.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Roman poet Virgil.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
But it seems as though we are being set up
to accept something that's coming to be a great new
world order kingdom of the gods. The gods are going
to come back, and I think what Michael was saying
is very germane to my research, that we are being
set up to accept something as a.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Great and new world order.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Kingdom in which all mankind will live in peace and harmony.
I think we're being set up for something very serious
and very big by some very powerful secret societies that
very well could have extraterrestrial or other world intelligence guiding it.
I am very fearful for the world we live in
because we bought it hook line and sinker, and all
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over the world we have accepted the authority as truth
rather than true as the authority. And I think that
what Michael was saying is exactly right. I think we
are being led into and we do have other options,
but it's going to require intellect, knowledge, study, and making
a stand for the first time not to accept the
things which your government gives you, which your religions give you,
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and which the authorities give you, because as far as
I'm concerned, I have a very big problem with anyone
called an authority because they're always nebulous, faceless.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
And we don't know who they are.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
And the authorities say, I'm tired of authorities. I want
to know who's behind this new world order? Who put
the Egyptian pyramid on the dollar bill? What is the
implication of Jesus being the chief cornerstone that the builders rejected?
And the Greek chief cornerstone means a triangle on top.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Of a pyramid.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Do your homework and you're going to find out there's
something going on here in the Bible in world affairs,
and I think we're being led by some very powerful intellects.
I have some very big questions about all of this.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
And the house of cars it's going to now. I
wanted to quickly because I do want to put out
that you have written several books, and I have one
of them here, and I wanted to say you stick
strictly to facts, though, because I know I read the book,
you do not use this mythology simply because that's what
you chose to do. As another book book in the works, yes,
where you will use more of this type of story
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that you just told us, or these types of.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Yes, the answer to your question is yes, and I'll
tell you why. As I said at the beginning of
the show, I cannot say that this part is true
and the rest is not.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Okay, what I can say.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Is that there is this very powerful conversation occurring which
is shaping a new mythology, whether we like it or not.
I'm not saying it's true, but I am saying it's powerful.
I'm saying it's happening, it's occurring.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
And behind every mythology.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
I know Jordan will agree with this, Behind every mythology,
there are surprising truths. There are things that are true,
and you have to dig down through the levels of interpretation.
But I do believe that in the mythologies of the
gods there were true encounters with quasi divine, super powerful beings.
I believe that we see this occurring today. I am inclined, yes, definitely,
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to stick to the facts, but we have to realize
too that it is not just facts the drive history forward.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
But what I'm trying to say is you started out
with really sticking to facts and just doing research, and
your kind of as you've got all the facts, you
drew different conclusion.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yes, And I want to say again, I am trying
to present a range of possibilities, not saying that any
one of these possibilities is a fact, but that if
we start to try to understand what the facts add
up to, we start to see these very large, complex pictures. Okay,
we are in a time of huge uncertainty.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
No matter who you ask, you'll get that answer definitely.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
And what is driving the uncertainty are some of the
most extraordinary, unacknowledged things that we have ever encountered. And
I believe that some of those things are the things
we've been talking about. I would add one very quick thing.
I share Jordan's view that a lot of the so
called religious authority is going to come into serious question
in the future. But I would also like to point
out that the woman whose story I just told you
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is not a religious woman, quite the contrary. But she
took in effect a spiritual leap of faith by sitting
down against her common practice sitting down and praying. And
when she opened herself and said I really need some
help here, I really need to know what the heck
is going on, she got this extraordinary response, which was
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crystal clear, which took her all night long. She was
carried up into this event and it was absolutely crystal
clear to her. Now, what I get from that is
that sometimes spiritual truth arrives in unexpected packages, okay, and
it is there to be found.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I am not rejecting that one bit.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I just think that we should not jump to the
most handy or most comforting spiritual truth that happens to
be lying around.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Really, you're gonna take a car Eva, you're on the
airline one.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Hello, gentlemen, have you ever heard or read missus Blobotskam?
Speaker 5 (35:16):
She's uh sa Helena Petrovna Boblotsky. Yes, yes, I have
all of her works.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
You have, yes, Well, that's why, yes.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
I think her.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Her Her best work was Icy's Unveiled Part two, which
is UH theology, right, and uh that was an exceptional
uh work. I think that Helena Petrovna Bobolotsky, the Russian mystic,
was a very wise and perceptive lady, and she had
some very.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Profound uh knowledge. Uh.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Obviously in her academic uh achievements we were extraordinary, and
so I have a very high respect for the work
of Helena Bovotsky. It does not necessarily have to be
that I follow every single thing that she believed, but
I believe her work was monumental in.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
This In this Uh, Eve, did you have a certain
question that you wanted to ask her?
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Well, because everything that she wrote about now is like
an echo.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Okay, that is a lot of cinematic right, great, very mine,
Thank thanks for sharing. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
I think it's interesting she said in the eighteen nineties
that in the nineteen nineties, she said, in one hundred years,
we're going to have a whole new explosion of of
understanding that's going to stagger the imagination of religionists and
people of religion and uh, and people who really just
haven't looked at these subjects very Uh, they're going to
(36:45):
be forced to look at some very powerful facts concerning
our existence on this earth.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
And uh.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
I I am really very much dedicated to the proposition
that we have to, as human beings, do some homework.
We had better find out where these religious ideas have
come from, concepts and belief systems have come from. Because,
as I had brought out in your program many times before,
there was a definite collusion between government and religion in
(37:14):
this world that we live in today and especially in America?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Is that true?
Speaker 5 (37:18):
And societies yes, and secret societies behind both.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yes. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
If you take another call, Michael lying two, you're on
their Hello Hello, Michael, are you there?
Speaker 8 (37:31):
Hello?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yes?
Speaker 8 (37:33):
Yes? Do you have you ever read the book Behold
a Talehorse by Milton William Cooper?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
I was a guest on William Cooper's program a couple
of times.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I've had dinner with him. I know him well.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I've read his book and uh so I find it
to be a very fascinating book and he has a
lot of very important material in there.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
Uh, you do know that they did burn down his
station when he predicted they were going to kill the
people at h at Wacover.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
That's what I heard. I don't know if that.
Speaker 8 (37:58):
Yeah, it's doctor. Have you read the book Inside the
New Age? Uh Nightmare by uh Randall and and Bayer?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, I h I have the book, I just haven't
gone in.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
He was uh recently eliminated too.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
He's dead now.
Speaker 8 (38:11):
And also as for ray Rennick, I'm afraid that he's
a victim of what they call the head on a
post a syringe, a shot that they give you to
eliminate people like him that bring great truth out. And
in s incidentally, many people in Santa Barbara under surveillance,
many many people. Since the sixties Blueprint UH Blue UH
(38:32):
Project Blue Book had an office at the UCSP and
then there was a connection with the Center for the
Study of Democratic Institutions, which was funded by the Rockefellers.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
It's a big NEWSI UH.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
Brazinski Kissinger used to go there. All these people used
to go there. When I was sixteen years old, I
worked there.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Hm uh let me let me at this point bring
us Michael. Yeah, on the UH.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
When the President of the United States gives his UH
State of the Union message in that hall at you
will see almost every night on television someone giving a
lecturer or a speech on something at that large Caucasus room.
There are there both sides of the podium are two
symbols of political power in America, and they're called fascised.
(39:20):
They're mundle of sticks with a hatchet head, and they
are the symbols of world fascism. As I have brought
out in your program before, I think that we are
in our country and our people are in the hands
of some very very powerful secret societies. Symbols of fascism, Nazism,
communism are all around us, and we don't even know
(39:40):
what these symbols mean.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
And so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
And I also am am a firm believer that there's
some sort of a connection between Nazism, fascism, communism.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
And secret societies.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
I think that can be proven. Then again, to take
the next step, I think behind secret societies there are
some very powerful intellects manipulating us, says a people in
our country and perhaps all throughout the world.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
I really needed to throw in a sort of a
different kind of a curve ball here, especially when a
gentleman like this calls and describes people who've been killed
and so forth.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
We do know, of.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Course that people have been intimidated, some people have been.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Treated very severely.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
That's been true in other countries, it's been true here
as well.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
But I think we.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Should not allow ourselves to be overly intimidated by that.
We're coming to a time when we really have an
opportunity to be very vocal about whether or not we
want the world to come out the way we want
it or not. We're going to have to stand up
and be counted. And I think that now is not
the time to say, well, someone got killed and therefore
(40:50):
we should hide and run away.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Not at all.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
I think that we're at a time when we have
more democratic possibilities than we've ever had before. This program
is an indication, for example, that we can do.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Literally on a shoe string with volunteer help.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
We can do good television, and we can have you know,
significant conversations week after week. We're getting more and more
opportunities for self publishing. We're getting more and more opportunities
for work on the computer networks, which allow people to
share more information more rapidly than ever before. And now
is the time when those technologies are more available to
(41:25):
the common citizen than they've ever been before, which means,
if we if we choose it, the so called information
monopolies have been broken. Now there are efforts to re
to to to regain control over that because the people
in charge know know the threat, the time of day,
(41:46):
they know the threat. Okay, So now is the time
for people to recognize that citizenship has never been more
important than before, it's than it is today, that the
choices belong to us now, and that how how long
that windows stays open is largely up to us now,
So by all means, do not be afraid of the
current situation. Literally, it's up for grabs for everyone. You're
(42:09):
not more in the dark than the next person. Quite
the contrary. We're all in this together. And I really
do think that now is the time to stand up
and be counted, and that may mean that things get
very very active, very very active.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Don't be afraid to, you know, to get active.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Whatever your cause is, whatever your voice wants to say,
say it now, because if you sit back now, things.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Are going to get very scary, very much so. I
think that this is the same kind of thing that
the German people faced and Nazi and I don't hitless Germany.
The point being is that so many people just let
things go to go along, to get along, and before
you know it, the government became so powerful and things
got out of hand until finally there was no reason
now to fight at all.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
I think we're fastly.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
Reaching that point in our country where eventually we're going
to be faced with either stand up now or not
stand up at all.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I want to make one quick point on that.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Don't forget Germany. What was there too is lots of unemployment,
and people look at him as a.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
That's what fascist nothing, you know, that's when fascism takes over.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
That's right, do simple homework on simple information. One of
the most obvious examples of the situation we're in today
is the difference between the public perception about crime and
the actual statistics about crime.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
And it is the public perception.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
About crime which is allowing all of the new crime
bills to be brought in, all of the new repressive
gun control legislation to come in. It's not that I
suggest people carry guns. I don't like guns, but the
difference between perception and reality is huge.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
As a matter of fact, crime is way down, way down.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
According to the FBI, violent crime is nine percent lower
today than it.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Was in nineteen eighty one when it peaked out.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
And yet if you ask the general public, what they're
finding is more than eighty percent of the public beliefs
that crime is at an.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
All time high. Nothing could be further from the truth.
We're being fed a pack.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Of bologne, which allows this kind of legislation to be
driven through, which becomes then the biggest issue on everybody's lips.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
But the fact is society is getting safer, not less safe.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
And we have to understand that a little bit of
simple homework can show you that anytime. Go out and
buy Money magazine this month and you'll see what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Time after time after time.
Speaker 4 (44:22):
These misconceptions allow these travesties of justice and injustice to occur.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, but at the same time, you put the television on.
I do not even like to watch news because I mean,
they're drive by shooting, right, But that's what.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
They put in.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
That's what they put on television, and that creates an
unreal past.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
And it takes yes, and it takes our our and
they do not focus really on the government. You focus
on the fear right taking into our own powers.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Why do you think that the justice system in California
is called the criminal justice system California criminal justice. It's
my perception that we are being given the justice by criminals,
and they tell us that they have to let all
of these people that yeah, in administered by criminals, and
they're telling us they have to leave the let these
(45:11):
murderers and people go free because they don't have the
room in the prisons yet. If they catch you cheating
ten dollars on your income taxes. They'll find you in
Afghanistan and bring you back and they'll have plenty of room.
So the point I'm making is that we've been lied
to by our government, and we're continually being lied to
about everything, and we're all being led into the sphere
and coming new world order. And I'm saying it's time
(45:33):
to wake up and do some homework.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, to wake up to actually also not buy into
the fear.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah, and get your own power and be counted.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Sure, And I'm sorry if you don't have another hour,
but we only have thirty seconds left.
Speaker 6 (46:10):
Super
Speaker 2 (47:01):
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