Jordan Maxwell | The Dark Magicians That Rule This World!

Jordan Maxwell On The The Dark Magicians That Rule This World!
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:47):
One half hour presentation, which will end write at one
thirty because of the following speaker, John Anthony West. Jordan
Maxwell and I have something in common that we actually
share with quite a few people in this field. I
say this field the field of research of unusual phenomena
and even unusual politics, and that is that up until

(01:09):
in my case nineteen and ninety five, I had no
formal involvement with this issue at all. I was a
red person. I had a life. It was okay, it
was nice, I didn't do any harm, but overall it
was particularly consequential and amounted to not much at all.
And I decided I didn't like that, and I was
going to spend the rest of my life doing something
meaningful and important that I wanted to do. And so

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that's exactly what I did.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I entered the field ninety six.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
This is not uncommon and not surprising, because there are
things that people who have mainstream lives and families and
relatives and all those obligations and mortgages and so forth,
there are places they simply can't go and they're not
going to go, and we respect that, and there's for
others we'll go there. Jordan essentially had such a life
and because of an absolute obsession with ancient world, ancient mysteries,

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magic and other things, became a self made researcher, commentator,
talk show host, author, totally on his own, self made.
He's had over six hundred radio interviews. He's written a
number of books. The two lead books are That Old
Time Religion and a book in a video he did
back in a nineteen eighty nine called The Matrix of Power.

(02:20):
Has some prescients there, if you understand what I'm saying.
We got the Matrix movies, and now we have the
Threat Matrix show, which is based on the Threat Matrix presentation,
which goes to every president. So we're going to be
hearing a lot about matrixes, apparently for the rest of
our lives. But he was already into that in nineteen
eighty nine. But I think one of the most significant
things he's known for is that he was the driving

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force behind a three show series on CBS Television, the
Ancient World Mysteries. And I'm almost certain that all of
us have probably seen one or two of those at
one time or another. He also has the distinction, a
non trivial distinction, of being someone one of me. I

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don't know if there's others, but he's certainly one person
who had his radio program, which was broadcast on a
ABC I believe affiliate radio station in a major market,
was shut down by eliminating the sponsor and the sponsor's
website and the sponsor's ability to function in any way
under the Patriot Act. John Ashcroft went on the air

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the other day and he made the comment, actually he's
made couple comments different times. Basically, he said, you know, look,
we're doing this by the books, that we're not messing up,
and no one has complained. We have not a single
complaint about an abuse of power under the Patriot Act
outside of the terrorism issue. Actually, it turns out that
what he meant to say was no one has had
the guts yet or he is able to overcome their

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their they're quite appropriate fears to go public with what's
happened to one of the mat the Patriot Acts. So
that is a significant distinction, and usually that means that
you must be doing something interesting to attract that kind
of attention. Without any further ado, I want to bring
Jordan Maxwell forward here, and he's going to talk about
some interesting things and he will be talking in the future,

(04:07):
and you definitely want to catch him in a full
fledged presentation when you have an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Thank you, Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
This is an impromptu presentation and I appreciate the opportunity
to speak with you for a few moments.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
There's an old.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Saying that says, always trust a person looking for truth,
don't ever trust the one who's found it. I have
discovered that in order to truly appreciate any subject, you
need to and as an example that I always give,

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if you're going to look at any subject, think of
it like putting a lot of weight on the second floor.
You're going to put a huge amount of weight on
the second floor of a building, but to make sure
the floor can hold it, you go downstairs and go
up through the ceiling tiles and check the foundation on

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which you're going to place that weight. So now what
you're doing is you are standing under the subject. And
this is where we get the word understanding. You need
to go to the bases, to fundamental foundation on which
things set in order to understand. And I have discovered

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many years ago that words and magical systems dominate the
world that we live in. There is, in point of fact,
a magical matrix at work. I discovered this a long
time ago, and as Stephen brought out, I did a
video called Matrix of Power, and I got all kinds

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of movie stars and motion picture producers and all those
kind of people in Hollywood calling me. This is back
in eighty nine talking about the video matrix, and it
was basically what you see in the movie. We talked
about how one thing is said to be one thing,
it's actually another. And I got phone calls from very

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famous people telling me they had seen it. And then
I was surprised to see later on comes out in
a movie using the same term. But I've always been
interested in the occult. Occult is simply a word meaning hidden,
and so much of our powers in this world and
the way things work are hidden. And the more one

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looks at this subject of how the world actually works,
you begin to see that there's a magical system. And
I'm telling you, there really is a magical system dominating
the world of the Western civilization. And for a thousand
years before the Roman Empire existed in Northern Europe, basically

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Western Europe, there was a magical priesthood called the Druids,
and the Druids still even exists to this day, and
it was a very legitimate political, social, educational, religious institution

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dominating Europe for thousands of years. And they were referred
to as the Druids. They were actually from the Phoenician
Canaanite system in the Middle East. The Phoenician Canaanites formed
the basis four the ancient Druidic system, and that's even older.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
But in the ancient.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Druidic system there were many powerful symbols and emblems. One
of the most interesting symbols in Juidism was a magic
wand like Merlin, a magician with his magic wand magic
wands were always.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Made out of the wood of a holly tree.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
It was made out of Hollywood, and we're still seeing
the magic of the wood of the holly tree Hollywood
motion pictures, television. And once you begin to see the
symbols and realize that the symbols for the national coats
of arms for countries, the flags, the seals, the presidential seals,

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the emblems for the logos and emblems are in corporate corporations,
especially the corporate emblems for motion pictures and television companies
like Columbia Broadcasting Systems CBS has the I.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
The Colombian.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
System goes back to the Columbian faction of the Illuminati,
back in the early seventeen hundreds, not the late seventeen
And you begin to see why space Shuttle is called Columbia.
You have Columbia University, Columbia Pictures, Columbia Broadcasting. Columbia's very

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interesting word, and it's connected to the Jesuits. Incidentally, the
Jesuits are very pronouncedly involved in the destiny of this country.
The Jesuit order is very much involved in the founding
of this country and the direction of its politics. Georgetown University,

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from which many of the presidents and big shots in
government get their education, is a Jesuit university. And once
you begin to see how words, in terms and symbols
are used, and of course symbols are extraordinarily important in
world affairs. If you don't think so, you know where

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a If you don't understand the concept of how important
symbols are, put a swastika on your arm and go
to your local synagogue and watch the reaction you'll get.
Symbols mean things to people and the powers that be
in this world have set up a world of symbols
and emblems and terms and catchphrases, and once you understand

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how this system works, it's fascinating because for the first
time the world opens up to you a whole new
perspective on how government works, on how banks work, on
how institutions and education, and why we have something called
the police. Where does the word sheriff come from? Why

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do you have government? Once you begin to see how
these words are used and put together, all of a
sudden at opens up, as I said, a whole new
perspective on how stuff is happening. Because in the world today,
most people look at the things which are happening in

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this world and they can't make heads and tails out
of it. It doesn't make any sense at all, as destructive,
it's lunacy, as chaos. But in point of fact, the
things which are happening in this world are not chaos
at all. It is very well planned, organized and directed.
There is a hidden agenda, so to speak, and it's

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been my desire to uncover this hidden agenda that uses
terms and emblems and symbols. Let me give you an
example of how words. My friend William Henry says, you
put an s in front of the word and it

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becomes swords. The words are swords, They are cutting things.
People are humans are word responsive creatures. We respond to
people's words. When you begin to see how words are used,
let me give you an example of the magic. Why
do you have to go to court. You go to

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court because you play basketball on a court. You play
tennis on a court. How do you play tennis on
a court? You play with a rocket?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Why?

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Because the people that develop it know it's a rocket.
That's where we get the term. Consequently, you need to
understand that the words which are used by government, and
by education, and by the systems under which we live
are not by chance. In a court, the whole idea
in a court is to put the ball back in
the other guy's court. So this team of attorneys they

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stand up and throw the ball back at.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
The other team.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Now the ball's in their court, they have to get
up and throw the ball back into that court. The
judge which wears a black robe. Why does a judge
wear a black robe, Well, the same reason Catholic priests
wear black robes, Rabbis wear black robes. The judges wear
black robes. You wear a black robe for many years,

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young people graduating from university and college wear a black robe.
What's this stuff with a black robe? It has to
do with the planet Saturn. Saturn is the god that inhibits.
He's the inhibitor and the law god, the god of law,
who inhibits, who holds back, He holds back everything. It

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teaches you a lesson the hard way Saturn and women
were told in the ancient world to listen to their god, Saturn,
who incidentally was called Lord of the Rings. Okay, and
consequently they're still making movies in Hollywood on Lord of
the Rings the planet Saturn. Women were told to listen

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to their god, the Lord of the Rings, so they
were wearing an ear ring. Men were to get married
before Saturn, their god, so they would wear a wedding ring. Consequently,
the king would be crowned before Saturn. Saturn would be
the round crown of the corona, the ring, and so on.

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Once you understand that courts, Why when you go into
a court is there a fence with a gate and
people sit on the outside, and then when your name
is called, you go through the gate.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
What is this gate all about?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
It separates the people from the governmental arrangement, so that
when you're sitting on the outside, you're no part of
what's going on in the court. Let me give you
an example of how this stuff works, and it's a
very quick example. There are two basic kinds of law
under the law of magic. There are two kinds of

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laws that govern the earth. One is called the law
of the land L A. N. D. And we've heard
that term law of the land. Why do you use
that term the law of the land, because that's where
people live, is on land. But there's an opposing law
which is far more important, far far more powerful. It

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is called the law of water. It was developed under
the old Druidic system in Europe, which can trace its
history back through the Roman Empire, through the Vatican, and
ultimately back to the Phoenician Canaanites in the Middle East
of what we today called Phoenicia. Cana was called back
what we call today Israel and Lebanon, Syria, that was

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called Phoenicia cana and the Phoenician Canaanites. The very word
cana which we've all heard in relation to the Bible.
Cana is a Phoenician word meaning bankers, merchant, bankers. Well,
the Phoenician Canaanite set up a system of merchant banking
and had their Phoenician Canaanite symbols and words connected to

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their societies, their banking society. It is we're talking about
in the Middle East, and then through the Greece and
ultimately through Rome and then into Britannia, and ultimately into
this country comes an ancient Druidic Phoenician Canaanite magical system
of finance, government, education, and all of it is right

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in front of you. But if you don't understand what
the words are and what the words mean, you're never
going to figure out how this stuff works. And I
will guarantee you, no matter how educated you might think
you are in the realm of business and government and education,
I will guarantee you you have no idea in the

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world how banks really work. And I will guarantee you
you have no idea in the world how government actually
in fact works. We all have a cursively understanding of
what we think is going on.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
That's not it.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
You need to understand that when even on your check,
when you're writing a check, the place where you put
your name on a check, look at that line what
you're signing on, and get a magnifying glass, and you
will find that's not a solid line to sign your
name on. That is written. It's a typed written sentence

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that's been home down to microscopic size. Get a magnifying
glass and read on a check what is said where
you sign your name. That's why the attorneys tell you
you better check the small print. The small print is
ultra small. Where you sign your name on a check
is saying something. Go back and read it. Consequently, you

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need to understand that according to the old Phoenician Canaanite system,
which we call today our judicial education on judicial system,
there is no law in this country or in the
western world, no law federal, state, county, city, commercial, It
makes no difference. There is no law on the books

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anywhere in this country that applies to you as an
individual creature. There is no law because the people who
designed a system thousands of years ago realized that there's
two of you. There's the one that your mother gave
birth to, that God created, so to speak, and even

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your mother didn't know what you were doing. Even your
father and your mother have no idea what you're thinking of,
what you will do you don't even know. So consequently,
they have no control over you, your flesh and blood self.
But somebody has to control this show. And so consequently
the ancient Phoenician Canaanites developed a system by which they

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would assign to every person a second you. And this
is the way it works in America. There is two
of you, just as there are two states in this country.
Of every state is two states. You have the state
of Nevada and Nevada State. You have cal state, California state,
and state of California. Not the same thing at all.

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California State, according to the law, is one thing. State
of California is totally different, has nothing to do with
each other at all. It's a difference between being a
lawyer and an attorney. Has nothing to do with at all.
It's totally separate. Words means totally separate things. Consequently, when
you understand how words in terms are used and symbols

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are used, then we go back to the idea of
the court. And as I said, there is no law
in this country on any books that applies to you.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
None.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
All law in the Western civilization applies only too co operations,
co ops. All law applies only to corporations, period, across
the board, no other end of sentence. Consequently, there is

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no law that applies to you personally. So consequently the
system has made each one of you a corporation. And
how now do you distinguish which one when someone's addressing you,
that they're addressing you as the one that your mother
gave birth to or the corporate you. Very simple. According

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to British law. When you sign your name upper and
lower case, that is applying to your body, your flesh
and blood. Self is spelled according to British and American
law upper and lower case capital letter lower case that's you,
your personal self. There is no law that can be

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applied to an upper and lower case name.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Period.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
No law at all can be applied to an upper
and lowercase name, because there is no law over you. Therefore,
every piece of important bills, insurance, driver's license, identification, taxes,
I don't care what it is. If it's a piece

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of business, period, in any kind of way, shape, or form,
your name must by law, international maritime, admiralty, banking law,
your name must appear in all capital letters. You will
never get a bill or anything that has your name

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upper and lower case, because there is no law that
applies to an upper and lower case name period. So
if Sears is going to send you a bill, if
you go into Baskin Robbins and you order a pair
of shoes, what are you going to do? They're going
to give you a ticket and you're going to put

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it on your bill, and then they're expecting you to
pay the bill, and consequently they're going to charge you. Well,
that's the same thing. You're go into a courtroom. They're
going to read out the charges and the cop gave
you the ticket and you have been charged with a
speeding or whatever, and therefore you have to pay the charge. Well,

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once you understand that in America, according to our laws
in America, you cannot pay a bill. Did you know
that according to international banking law, Americans cannot pay a bill.
So when you say, well, I got to pay this
I pay that bill, well, that's a term we use,
but in point of fact, lawfully, you cannot pay a bill.

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You can discharge a debt, you cannot pay a bill.
So consequently you need to understand what do you mean
discharge a debt? Now it gets back to the court again.
Now it gets back to the symbols and emblems of
why the judge wears a black robe. Saturn, the god
who is the inhibitor, the god of occult law, the

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mystical god Saturn, lord of the rings, who is in
charge of and controls all occult law in the universe.
This is why today we know that Saturn was referred
to as l e L L is a name that
was given to the planet Saturn, and therefore, if you
were worshiping the Saturn, you represent the law. You were

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referred to in church today as an elder. How did
you get to be an elder? You got to be
an elder because you were one of the L leads.
How did you get to be an l lead? You
got l elected because through l elections all of our
system is based on occult mystical words and turns. Going

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back to the planet Saturn, going back to the Phoenician
Canaanite system of banking. Incidentally, where do you find a bank?
We go to banks all the time. Where do you
find a bank? Banks are on both sides of a river,
They're called river banks.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
What does a river bank do?

Speaker 3 (24:18):
It directs the flow of the current sea. Your money
is referred to as the current. See this is why
when you go to court you have the current l ltricity,
because it's the juice, and if you don't have the juice,
you don't have it. So if you don't have the jeice,

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you can't capitalize. And the capital is a Latin word
meaning money. Consequently, Caesar rule from what was referred to
in history books Caesar rule from up on the hill.
It was called Capital Hill capitalne Hill. With the Senate,
you need to understand that Washington, DC as a Jesuit

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Catholic establishment under international.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Maritime admiralty law.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
And once you begin to see how the system of
the ancient Catholic system, the Jesuits, the ancient Roman Empire,
the Phoenician Canaanite banking system is all part of a
world dominating system. And once you figure out how the
key to understanding all of this, all of a sudden,

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the whole world opens up to you and you say, oh,
now I see why there were a twin Towers in
New York, New York the Empire state. You need to
do some homework on the term twin towers and find
out that it goes back to Jacob and Boaz of
the Phoenician Canaanites. All throughout Europe churches all had twin towers.

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You better go back and find out what is connected
to New York. New York comes from the York Right
in England, there's a very sinister, frightening, interesting symbolism that
has been imposed upon this country and the people have

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no idea in the world what's going on.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
So I'm just saying, if you.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Want to open up a whole can of worms for
yourself and for the first time begin to see how
magical use of words and terms and symbols are used,
you need to start looking at the world of the occult.
In politics and religion. Like my mother used to say,
has never been a political movement in the world that

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wasn't a little religious, and has never been a religion
that wasn't political. Religion, politics, and commerce are the three
legs of the stool on which world order sits. And
this all of this stuff today Washington, d c. Government
banking all goes back to the Phoenician Canaanite system and

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ancient Phoenicia, ancient Babylonian Sumeria.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
And this is.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Why the work of Zachariah Sitchen is so important. This
is where the Kings of England get their concept of
the divine right of kings.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
What do you talk about divine right?

Speaker 3 (27:16):
All of this is part of a subject which I
call ancient mysticism that dominates the Western civilization. I'm telling
you this is very serious and it's absolutely it's absolutely
incredible how much people don't know about this system. And
I want to thank you for letting me introduce this
concept to you.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
So much.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
My name is Jordan Maxwell. Last name M A X
W E L L. Jordan is j O R D
A N.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
M.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I'm a speaker here at the conference in San Mateo.
I normally speak on subjects at UFO conference. Says on
UFO related subjects. All of my life, I've been a
believer like most young men, I was always fascinated with

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the subject, and intuitively, I felt there was something more
to this universe than just what I was seeing, and
so I've always been a believer in the existence of UFOs.
But there's a very big difference between being a believer
and a knower, someone who's actually in fact had a
confrontation with something like that, and that happened for me

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in nineteen ninety four, I was invited to speak at
a UFO conference in Mesquite, Nevada, very large conference, and
afterwards I was driving back on a Sunday morning with
two friends and we decided just before we got into

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Las Vegas to drive up to Rachel, Nevada, which is
just north of Las Vegas, about one hundred and thirty
miles and it's the site of the famous Area fifty one.
And we had never been there. The three of us
had never been there, heard about it. And Joe and

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Pat Travis, the owner of the Little a Ley Inn,
the big restaurant hotel, they knew me from my radio
shows and videos, et cetera, but they had always invited
me to come up, but I never did. And so
we decided on a lark just to turn around and
rather come back, and rather than coming back to La

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we just decided to.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Go up to the Little lely En. So we drove
up there and had a delightful time meeting with everyone.
And then.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
That night, when they were closing the restaurant, I asked
Joe and Pat, the owners, where.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Do we go to see UFOs? Where do all the
tourists go?

Speaker 3 (31:09):
And Joe said, well, you actually don't have to go
anywhere to sit out on the parking lot, and if
they want to find you, they will. And so Pat said, well,
if you want to go where everyone else goes, you
go right back on the highway and take turn right
and go south all the way back to Las Vegas

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and go twenty miles at the twenty mile mark pull
off and you will see a big mailbox. That's the
famous black mailbox that everyone knows out there. That's where
the best viewing site for possible UFO sightings seems to be.
So it's twenty miles south, which is heading, as I said,

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back to Las Vegas. So eleven thirty at night. My friend,
my lady friend in the front seat, my publisher is
in the back seat, and I'm driving out on the
highway and instead of turning right, I turn left and
go north.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I have no idea why.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
And the lady with me, she didn't realize it. Paul Tice,
my publisher, he didn't realize it. We're driving north like
we knew what we were doing. And we got to
the twenty mile mark north which Vegas.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
I mean, Rachel is.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
One hundred and thirty miles north of Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
So now we're one.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Hundred and fifty miles north of Las Vegas, out in
the high desert of Nevada, after midnight, totally totally overcast,
from horizon to horizon, totally overcast. And then we discovered
we've gone the wrong way. So I it was decided

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that we'll turn around, we'll go back, stay overnight, and
come and go to the right place tomorrow tomorrow night.
So I stopped the car right where the car came
to a stop, middle of the night, one hundred and
fifty miles north of Las Vegas, totally overcast. There was
a wide dirt road right there going out into the desert,

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and the wide dirt road was very level and well kept,
and so Ivy and Paul became very agitated. They wanted
to drive out into the desert. And I said, you're
in the desert. You're one hundred and fifty miles into
the desert. What are you going to see out there
that you're not going to see here? And besides, you're

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you know, it's totally overcast. You're not going to see
anything anywhere. And they were very belligerent about it and said, no,
we've got to go out in the desert. Let's just
go out for a few minutes. And so I said, okay.
So we drive out maybe a mile if that, and
all of a sudden, I got a very overwhelming since

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that we've done something wrong, and it was extremely powerful.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Feeling I had that.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
It was very I have felt this feeling at other times,
and I was right. So I said, I don't know
why what we're doing here, but I'm getting out of
here because there's something going on and I feel it
and I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I want to get out of here.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
And I stopped the car and I backed it up
and turned it around, and Paul and Ivy became unglued.
They absolutely wanted to get out for a few minutes.
And I said, I don't want to stay here. There's
something going on here and I don't know what it is,
and I don't like it. So Paul and Ivy talked
me into it to at least stay for a few minutes.

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I said, all right, but if I get in this
car and the engine starts, you better be in the
car because I'm serious, I'm leaving.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
So and I was on edge. I got out.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
We shut the car, we shut the lights off, in
the car. I don't know if you've ever been on
a desert where there was absolutely no light. It's total black.
You have to hold onto the car to know where
it is. You can't see anything that you can only
hear each other. And we were only out of the

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car more than maybe a minute at the most, and
all of a sudden, just north of us, the cloud
began to open up, and like a little bit of
an oval, began to kind of open up and then stopped.
And of course, in total darkness, any opening in the
cloud you'll see immediately. And so we watched it as

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it kind of broke away and opened up a little bit,
and then it stopped, and Ivy says, look at that.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
The clouds just opened.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
And when she said that, through that opening came two
white disk shape bluish white, more white than blue, bluish white,
glowing disc shape things, which immediately appeared to be, to
my way of thinking, a hologram, because there was no

(36:12):
any there was no detectable metal superstructure, and absolutely no
sound period, just two white disc shape things.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
And they weren't flying.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Zipping through with the lights zipping through. I'm talking about
the size that the moon would appear in this nighttime sky.
Two white glowing objects came in very slow. They were
not flying as such, they appeared to be just electronically
or magnetically floating, and as they floated overhead, five more

(36:52):
came in behind them, And at that point I totally
went ballistic. I was ably, and I don't mind admitting it,
totally frightened because I have never seen this kind of
awesome beauty that radiated fear. If you've never been there,

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you can't appreciate what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
But if you are like a child, a small child.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Taken to a zoo and brought up to the cage
of a gorilla, the overwhelming fear that grips the child,
that's the kind of fear I felt. Because I'm smart
enough to know that this kind of technology is one
of two things. It's either of another world, which if

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it is from somewhere else, it's frightening who are they
and what are they doing here? Or second, if it
is of our work, If it's from the Earth, then
that tells me we are far more technologically advanced than
I suspected, and that's frightening. Either way, I was in

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total fear I'm thinking, my god, what is this? Seven white,
glowing disc shaped things, as I said, making no sound,
no metal superstructure. They began to move over our heads
and began to change places, as if they were doing

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some sort of a little routine to show us what
they could do. And they would drop down and move
right over our heads. And Ivy and Paul were as static.
They were like children at Disneyland. They were jumping.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Around and saying, God, look how beautiful they are. All
the time. I was not impressed. I was legitimately frightened.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
They didn't seem to be sensitive to what I was feeling.
I'm thinking, this is scary stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I don't know what this.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Is, and I don't know who it is, but whatever
this is and whatever it represents is a technology and
a knowledge that is far superior to anything I have
ever in my life coming across.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
And that bothers me.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I don't know who these people are, and I don't
know what they're doing, but if they have this kind
of technology and they radiate, and that's something you need
to remember.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
They radiated a fear off of them. You could feel it.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
You're in the presence of something awesome, fearful, and I
finally decided, after about a minute and a half to
two minutes of watching this that I've had enough, and
I got in the car and started the engine up. Yes,

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And at this point I should say I was born
and raised about two miles from Gulf Breeze, Florida, and
I grew up from about the age of seven rate
having other world experiences.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
All of my life.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I have been involved in other world experiences for whatever reason.
And I have experienced many things as a teenager and
as a child, and even in adult years that were
just startling things.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Nothing compared to this. Nothing I was.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
As I said, even as an adult, I was legitimately frightened.
Because I was I knew that we were in the
presence of something.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
So I got in the car after about a minute
and a half two minutes of standing there shaking while
this display is going on, and Paul and Ivy were
just jumping up and delighted, and you know, they went
in the mind of the things came down and landed me.
I've been gone, and so I finally the side I

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told him, I said, I'm leaving, get in the car.
And I also have to say at this point. This
is one of the things. We all have things in
our lives that we will live to regret, and I
do regret doing this, but I got so scared I
decided to leave quickly. I regret doing that. I wish
I would have had the intestinal fortitude to stay there

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to see what was going to happen, because this was
an monumental display. Maybe it's just as well we didn't
stay there to find out what was going to happen.
So I got in the car and I cranked the engine,
and they they got in the car because they realized
I was serious, and so they rolled the windows down

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and leaned out the window backwards so that they could
watch while I'm driving away, and I tried to drive
because I knew the road was straight. I'll figure if
I just leave the lights off and drive straight. Because
there were two of me at that time, there was
the emotional, unconnected me and then there's the rational me.
The emotional me was thinking, I don't want to turn

(42:06):
the lights on because they'll see us. But the other
part of me was saying, you know what, this kind
of technology they saw you coming, you know, I mean
the army could pick you up.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
It late at night, naturally they can.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Then I decided, look, if we're going to get out
of here, just flip on the lights and us get out.
And I flipped the lights on, put my foot right
to the floor, and I tore out to the highway.
When I did, Paul sitting in a back seat, Ivy
in the front seat, leaning out the window backwards. They
went totally ballistic to each other. They started screaming uncontrollably

(42:43):
to each other, yelling, screaming at the top of their
voice at each other. And what was happening is all
seven of these beautiful things came right down over the
top of the car, zoom right down over us. I
wasn't seeing. I just saw a couple of them moving around,
and they were moving quickly. And I looked out and

(43:04):
I could see them moving around, and I thought, my god,
we're in trouble. And I was heading to the highway
as fast as I could down that dirt road. Ivy
and Paul are screaming because they are totally blown away
now by this kind of attention. Now it's not just
that we saw them. They know we're here and they're
following us. I hit the highway just before the highway.

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I started slowing down because I was doing maybe eighty
to ninety miles an hour on a dirt road, and
I saw the highway coming up, so it slowed down
quick enough because I didn't want to overshoot it and
really wrecked the car. And when we hit the highway,
I turned the car and skid it onto the highway
and I threw it in part, shut the lights off,
immediately jumped out because I felt safer on the highway.

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I'm not on military property. I just felt safer. We're
on the highway now. We jumped out, all three of us,
and the seven of those saucer shaped things.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
No sound again they were They.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Had stopped about two blocks back, about a block and
a half to two blocks back, and had already begun
to go back out into the desert like they had
chased us away. And now they're going back out into
the desert. And all of a sudden they went just
like this into the clouds, but gone. We stood out

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on the highway twelve forty five to one o'clock, totally overcast,
totally dark, the lights on and shaking, and there were
all kinds of emotions being displayed there was. I can't
tell you the kind of silliness and craziness that was
going on between the three of us, we all three.

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It began to occur to us what we had been
involved in and how severe and frightening this thing really was.
So of course, driving back to the hotel on the
motel was shaking and would try And the question of
the hour was whose technology did we witness tonight? Was

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it ours or theirs? Unanimous, we all agreed, this is
not human. It may be human built, but the knowledge
that it took to do this was not of our originality.

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I should explain too, that when we were speeding back
out of the highway, Paul and Ivy were getting to
show they were watching it. They were telling me that
what the seven of these disc shaped things were doing.
They would come together in a circle without touching each other,

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but all of this in a second. They would come
together in a circle and blow out into a seven
pointed star, come together in the circle, blow out into
seven pointed back and forth. And they followed us at
ninety miles an hour. They were doing that, following us,
following us out just that way, just that quick. That

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kind of technology we don't have to be able to
pull put into a perfect circle, block out into a
and follow you out. At first, when I first saw
these things, I thought it was a hologram. But they
are the light reflecting off of these are emanating from
these objects, reflected on the clouds above them.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
At this point I today do not know what it
was in fact that we saw.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
But when we got back to the hotel of the
motel that night, we decided to stay overnight, of course,
and so going into the motel that we were staying in,
you walk directly into the bathroom. When you walk through
the door of the bathrooms in front of you, and
there are two bedrooms, one on each side. One had

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one bed, one had two. I was not about to
sleep by myself that night, so I talked Ivy into
sleeping in the room with me and Paul could have
the other room.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
I said, you go over there and sleep for yourself.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
So we laid in bed talking about what did we
see tonight, and we pretty well had decided that it
was not out, not of this world.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Finally, when we fell off to sleep.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
The next morning, I got up late and I went
over to the restaurant.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Paul and Ivy had already gotten up.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
And gone over to the restaurant, and they were having
breakfast and talking to the townspeople, and they had a
big group of people around the table, and they were
talking about experience. So when I walked into the restaurant,
I thought that what they were talking about is the
experience the three of us had had the night before,
but they were talking about what happened to them last

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night in the motel room.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Paul said that he about a half hour, for five
minutes something like that. After he fell asleep.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
He woke up totally awake, and something picked him up,
actually picked him up and set him up in bed.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Involuntarily.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
And the moment he set up, a light came on
over his head, like a little dim night light, and
he looked up to see an alien's face with the
typical alien's face with the bubble eyes, but it was
glowing and you.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Could see through it.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
You could see the ceiling through it, as if it
were a hologram of some kind, and it was glowing
looking at him, and he said, it slid across the ceiling,
went across the ceiling, hit the wall, and came down
to where it was even with him sitting in bed,
and at that moment, in his head, he began to
see the room going in circles. He could see the

(48:53):
window behind him going around, the door going around. The
room was moving in circles. Obviously, it was some sort
of a of an optical thing that was happening. And
he said, but the face stood still while the room
began to rotate, and it telepathically asked him, and he said,

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I understood it totally clear. It telepathically asked him.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Who are you and what are you doing here?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
And he said, and I was totally frightened to that
because I kept trying to communicate with it and thought wise,
because I knew that's the way it communicates. And he said,
I kept trying to think, how do you communicate with
something that doesn't, you know, communicate like we do. And
he said, then then all of a sudden, in his mind,
he began to see his whole life going backwards quickly.

(49:45):
You know, I've heard that this happens when you are dying,
as you see your entire life go by you. He said,
I saw everything in my whole life go by me quickly. Obviously,
this entity was able to go through its your memory
track of some kind of a memory track that her brain.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Has, and.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Therefore it was finding out who he was. And then
it said to him telepathically, you're all right, You're okay.
And then it went through the wall. Everything stopped. It
went through the wall and disappeared. But Ivy in my
room was legg so that she could see the door,
and she said she saw the glowing on the wall,

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but she couldn't tell what the light was because it
wasn't very bright. And she said, but when she opened
her eyes to see the glowing of the light in
Paul's room, which was the face on the wall, a
little red, tiny, little red dot of light came through
the Paul's room and came in and hovered over her,
a little red, tiny light, which incidentally is in Steven

(50:53):
Spielberg's Close Encounters. Every time you saw the big the
sauces go by, you said, this little light going around.
Ivy said she saw this little light come in and
hover right above her. And at that moment she was
totally paralyzed. Couldn't move, couldn't cry out, couldn't do anything.
All she could do is breathe and just and she said,

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she laid there totally paralyzed looking at this light. And
when the light went, when the glowing went through the wall,
that little red light went out and followed it was gone.
Now I slept through all of this. I didn't see
any of it. I'm just telling you what they said.
But I know them and they're not given to making
up stories, either one of them.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
And so.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I said to them at the time, and the restaurant said, well,
they didn't wake me, and Pat, the owner of the restaurant,
she said, no, no, they know who you are.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
They just wanted to know who your companions were.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
And so that was the experience up there. When I
got back to Los Angeles about three months later, I
was in San Diego working at a car down there
as an editor for a magazine, and I decided, this
was in the late spring. I decided to rent a

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convertible and drive back up to Area fifty one by
myself and no one knew this, and go back out
to where we had had this experience by myself, which
I did, and I drove out there in the afternoon
when the sun was still. It was dust, but the
sun was still up. Because I wasn't about to go
out there by myself at night, and I parked the

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car and the convertible.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I parked the car, I got.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Sat on the back hood with my feet in the
back seat, and I said to them, I said, look,
and I know you're here, okay, And I want you
to know that I don't mind doing whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I'm supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
If I've got a destiny in life or a mission
or whatever it is, I don't mind doing it. But
if it has something to do with you, then I'm
going to ask you for two favors.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Do not abduct me because I don't want to go anywhere.
And don't frighten me in my bedroom. I don't want
to wake up.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
And find something in my bedroom I can't handle. Okay,
So don't mess with me, don't scare me to death.
And I don't want to go anywhere. But if I'm
supposed to do something, if there's a divine plan of
some sort where I'm supposed to play, then open the doors,
show me what I am to do, and leave me alone.
And I thanked them when I got back in the
car and drove back, and that was it. About a

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month later, now we're at the beginning of summer, I
get a phone call from Paul, my publisher, who lived
in Escondido, right down by San Diego, and he's telling
me about this young lady who is a past life
regressionist and he said, you got to go see this girl.
She's sensational. So I called her, made an appointment. She's
down on Carnado Island. Her name was Karen, k I

(53:51):
R I N. And I went down to see Karen.
And she being a very spiritually inclined past life regressionist
type of person. She has you lay on the table
and take your rings off and your watch, and she's
setting up the candles and lighting candles and doing some
sort of a little ritual thing. And I'm just laying
there watching her. Paul says, she's great. We'll find out.

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And she's talking to someone and I'm laying there watching her.
And she's talking to someone and I said, who are
you talking to? And she said, I'm talking to your
friends who brought you here. And I said, oh, okay,
brought me.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
To the house.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
She said, no, no, no, no, your friends who brought
you to the earth. You've come here from another place
and they have brought you here to do something. I said,
I've often wondering about that. Where did I come from?
I mean, really, what am I doing here? And she says, well,
and I'm just telling you what she said. She said,
they are Playadians and they have brought you here to

(54:49):
do something, and you are ultimately going to be a
emissary was the word. An emissary for them. They're going
to channel through you, they're going to use you, and
they will speak through you, and they have been preparing
you for many, many years.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I said, oh, okay, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
And then she goes on lighting some more candles and
then she starts talking again, and then she's laughing, and
I said, what are you laughing at? And she said, oh,
they told me something funny about you. And I said
what And she said, they said that about a month ago,
you drove up to see Joe and Pat up at
Little Alien in a convertible you rented, and you sat
on the back of the hood with your feet in

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the back seat, and you told them you didn't mind
doing what you're supposed to do, but you didn't want
to be abducted or frightened in your bedroom.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
And they thought that was funny. Now, at that.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Moment, I became very disorientated. I said, whoa nobody knew
I did that. No one knew I did that. I
didn't tell anyone, and she said, yeah, they knew. She said,
they're telling me you went back out there because you
didn't want to go out there at night because they

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scared you the last time, but that you went out
there and sat on the back of your car and
they thought.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
That was funny.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
And I said, why would they say humor in a
human being frightened? And she said, because if you knew
who you really were, you know, that would sound kind
of silly. And so I respected that. I am just
telling you what she said. But to me, that was
a very powerful emotional experience talking to her, because she
told me things that no one could have known but myself,

(56:36):
and she was very accurate. I'm just telling you this
because I believe that there is, in point of fact,
something going on in the world where, for a lack
of a better term, extraterrestrial alien if you please, I
don't like the word alien because I know what it means.
Extraterrestrial or other world intelligences, higher life forms are somehow

(57:02):
or another intermingling with us. I am totally convinced that that's
been the case since day one. Uh, I have become
obviously more convinced. Now this is merely one experience of
about twenty on that same level that I have had,
which continues to drill home the point to me that

(57:26):
there is some sort of a higher intelligence watching us.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Who they are. I have my own suspicions.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
And speaking of that, in your research, have you found
any evidence of this throughout history and religion?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Yes, and and it did not start. This kind of
ideas did not start with von Denikin or my friend
uh some of the other authors like Zacharyasichen. There are
many good and profoundly great authors writing on the kind
of subject, but it didn't start with them. If you

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go back into the Bible, into the pen took the
first five books of the Hebrew Bible, and Genesis is
just filled with such stories of angels. As a matter
of fact, in Genesis is eighteen, there was a very
famous story in the Jewish tradition about Abraham was visited

(58:25):
by three men, and it says three men come walking
up into Abraham's camp, and Abraham went out and met
them and asked him to stay for dinner, the scripture says,
and the three men said no, they were in a
hurry to go somewhere on business. And the scripture says
that he insisted that they at least stay for dinner.

(58:45):
So they said, all right, but make it quick. So
the wife Sarah fixed dinner for them. After eating, they
thanked him for his hospitality. And the scripture says in
Genesis is eighteen that the three men thanked him, got
up and excused himself and went off. And it says,
this was the Almighty God, the Creator, with two accompanying angels.

(59:08):
Now they looked like men. They sat down and had
dinner with you. They got up, they thanked them and
walked off. And this was the Almighty God with two
accompanying angels.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
I don't know. I wasn't there. This is what the
scripture says.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Then, also in the Genesis, there is a story of
Lot in Sodom and Gamara where some angels came to
visit him, and it says the homosexuals in that town,
the scripture said, thought that these were handsome, extraordinary, good
looking men. There are other stories in Genesis and in
the Bible about angels who forsook their proper dwelling place

(59:47):
and took on human form and started messing around with women.
And the Bible says, along with many other holy writings
of the ancient world, talk about aliens who took on
human form, not just in the Hebrew tradition, but many
of the ancients had the same kind of stories where

(01:00:10):
alien life forms angels, if you please, took on human
form and began to mess around with women and got
them pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
This tells me their plumbing work.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Second, I know women are not going to fall in
love and go to bed with something that is a
hideous monster, so they must have been very good looking men.
All of that frightens me because there may be some
around here. We don't even know who they are. They
appear to be men, they appear to be human. And
of course, the Jewish tradition and Judaism teaches in the

(01:00:45):
Bible that God made us in his image and likeness,
the point being in the Hebrew meaning in your bodily form.
The way you are designed is because the gods look
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
You look like them.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
They look like you, why, because they created you from them.
I tend to think that there is a monoicum of
truth in that. Maybe it's a beautiful story, it tells
you something, but I think there might be something more
to this story. That being the case, this is why

(01:01:22):
I'm concerned about world government, world religion, and where we
are going as a human race.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Who is, in point of fact, in charge on this earth.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Because I am very good at because I've been doing
it for a long time, pattern recognition. I have been
able to trace for many years, patterns in political religio
philosophical movements, words, terms, symbols, emblems, national coats of arms,

(01:02:00):
tree words, as I said, which can be traced back
backwards and go all the way back into history. I
mean as far back as the hit Tites that were
using double headed eagles. The egle itself was used as
a symbol for the Sun Orders and the ancient Samerian,
Phoenician Canaanite system. The sun Orders were symbolized by the egle.

(01:02:23):
Secret societies of priesthoods used the egle. The Greeks used it,
the Babylonians used it. The Romans were very big on
the Roman egle. This is where we get it from America,
the great American ball egle.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
No, no, it's not American.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
This goes all the way back to fascist Nazism that
was born in the Roman Empire, which can be traced
back that egle representing the sun, the rising sun of
a new world order, goes all the way back into
the most ancient of times. I believe that what we
are viewing today in America and in the world is

(01:03:04):
a continual pattern recognition that something very big is going on,
and we are merely the people who are experiencing it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I would suggest that we are in serious trouble because
we have not read the symbols.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
What type of serious trouble?

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Because if you were a Jewish family living in Berlin
in the nineteenth mid to early nineteen thirties, if you
were savvy enough to understand what was going on in
the country, the mood of the country, the symbols, the terms,

(01:03:49):
the words, the catchphrases, where the political thinking was going,
how it was moving, you would, of course, as there
were many Jewish families that began to say, we better
get out of here, because we can see where it's going.
They're looking for escapegoat, they're looking for someone to blame,

(01:04:12):
and they have this whole thing about this divine right
of an Aryan super race, and that stuff is still
going on in England today with the her Majesty and
the divine right of kings. This racism, anti Semitism, fearful
and frightening tutalitarian thinking has pervaded cultures all the way

(01:04:37):
back into Samaria.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
And I am.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Saying that what we are seeing today in America and
as it is being played out on the world scene,
is the same identical words, terms, symbols, catchphrases, emblems, The
same steps are now being taken by the so called
quot powers that be, which ultimately brought about Adolf Hitler.

(01:05:05):
And to my personal way of thinking, I think that
that's what we're heading for again, another period in which
the world is going to wake up, as Europe and
America did when it was almost too late. I think
we're going to awaken one day to find out that
we've all been too relaxed and entertained and watching television

(01:05:28):
and being entertained with all the cares of life, never
realizing what is going on in this country. And this
is important to me, not that I'm Jewish, but because
I appreciate that it doesn't have anything to do with
being Jewish. It has to do with scapegoats. It has
to do with picking somebody and whoever it might be,

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maybe the blocks tomorrow. It may be homosexuals, it may
be Hispanics. It doesn't matter who they are, they'll be
the enemy that needs to be dealt with.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
UH.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
I think that this has always been the uh, the
case in politics, that the powers that be behind the
throne UH need to have the people agitated. And I
think that this is what's happening. I'm very fearful because
this country, I believe, is, in point of fact, the
last great hope for uh, the divine plan of the

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ages to bring freedom and liberty and freedom to the
earth and to allow every person to be free and
and unmolested.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
AH.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
But I think that that's you know, that's very quickly
now leaving us. I think we're losing, We're losing the
great country. I mean, all one has to do if
you want to uh, you know, debate this. I don't
think there's anything to debate. I think if you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Just uh are aware of uh. UH.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
The CIA, which was called the OSS and the Second
World War, became known after the Second World War as
a CIA CIA. Originally, the OSS was originally founded by
men who were members of an order called the Knights
of Malta. It is a Roman secret society of peril

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for Freemasons who have operated in Europe for many, many
hundreds of years. The Knights of Malta gave us the
and along with the kindred orders like the Knights Templars,
the Order of Knights Templars, who were the international bankers
in Switzerland who were boiling, melting down teeth from Jewish

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people that they had killed the Knights Templars of Switzerland.
This is why no, Switzerland's never in any war, because
this is where the Templars call home. This is the
international banking you know. You don't mess where the boss lives.
I have done a lot of research in which I
have helped Jewish organizations on this whole problem of international

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bankers out of Switzerland. So I think that there's something
going on here, very big. Definitely agreed, Yes, I certainly do.
I haven't spent forty years with the subject, not to know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
To discuss here up to you you were saying what
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Well, I was saying in the time of Richard Nixon,
when he was Richard Nixon was being hounded out of
office and he should have been. The thought was how
much did Rick Richard Nixon know and when did he
stop knowing it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Meaning that if.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
He didn't know the Watergate break in was taking place,
and what kind of a president is he that has
no idea what his own people are doing? Or second,
if he did and he lied about it, then why
is he president and lying to us?

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
So either way he was not fit to be president
because he was either incompetent or a liar.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Either way, SHO shouldn't be in that office.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I am saying the same thing today that the powers
that be in this country who have control over investigative
law enforcement, and don't make any mistake about this, that
in the Justice Department, there is a division of the
Justice Department, as there is in large police forces around

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the nation, there is a department called the Department of
Criminal Conspiracies Division. The Criminal Conspiracies Division of the Justice
Department is there because there is, in point of fact,
sometimes existing in this country criminal conspiracies. That's why you
have a criminal Conspiracy's division. I am saying, would it

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be considered a criminal conspiracy for individual corporations and companies
and large banking institutions in America to put together the
money and the technology and the raw materials to build
Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany. Would that be considered a criminal

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conspiracy because, in point of fact, Adolf Hitler's Nazi regime
was built by American know how, American money, General Motors,
Ford Motor Company, General Electric, DuPont. You go down the line,
all the major corporations in America were with Adolf Hitler

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in business. That's where he got the money. Because the
German people were starving after the First World War. They
were actually, in point of fact, starving in the streets.
Their money was totally worthless. They had signed in armistice
and Germans don't usually give up in a fight.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
They had no alternative.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
They were totally broke, with no food, no ammunition, and
they gave up in the First World War.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Then comes in this mad.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Man named Adolf Hitler, and he's talking about how we
need to clean the situation up and get back on
top again. And before you know it, he's starting to
put people to work. There's money coming in building volkswagens
and highways, and all of a sudden, about ten years later,
Germany becomes the most militaristic, most professionally trained, highly trained,

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well fed, most highly equipped, standing military organization in the world.
With their ships on the high seas, tank fleets, submarine fleets, rockets,
standing armies throughout the world. They frightened the entire world.

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Where did they get the money? Somebody better trace the money,
and they're going to trace it right back to New
York's City Chase, Manhattan Bank, Morgan Guarantee Trust, City Bank
in Chicago. They're going to trace it back to all
of the major financial institutions in America. They're going to

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trace back General Motors, Ford Motor Company, Chrysler, General Electric, Union, Carbite.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Go down the line.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
All of the major corporations in America knew who out
of Hitler was and what he was going to do,
and they were supplying him with money, materials, logistics they
built out of Hitler's Nazi Germany here in America. And
don't ever forget it, because I believe, I believe that

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the same people who gave birth to the concept of
this Aryan super race are in control of this government
at this time. And the Jews that are alive today
don't know how to read the symbols, if you know how,
if you know how as a detective, if you are

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trained as a detective to know what to listen for,
what to hear, and if you're highly tuned and working
for the CIA or some organization like that, you set
in on an interrogation, you know what you're listening for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
You know how this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
Flows, and when certain words are used, certain terms are used,
you know where it's coming from. So I'm saying unless
and until people in this country we don't have leaders,
we have misleaders. But until somebody learns how to read
the symbols, know what the words mean, know what the

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terms mean, and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Begin to put these pieces together, we're not going to
be awaken time to discover that the same people who
built out of Hitler have done it again.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
And this is what I am very concerned about, because
I know that it has nothing to do with Jewish
It has to do with a totalitarian dictatorship that's been
coming for a long time, and it fell through in
times past, it didn't work, but it seems to be

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working now. And the greatest single enemy to this totalitarian
system is a free people, a free people who can
do their own thinking. Investigate everything and have the ability
to confront the powers that be, And of course we
will call America was called the land of the Free

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and the home of the brave. We are not free
and we are not brave. We have learned what to
kiss and when we have learned that, you do not
do anything in this country and talk about any subject
that's going to get you hurt. Because there's an old
saying it's very dangerous to be right when your country
is wrong. I think that we are living in a

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country today which is being manipulated, exploited, and maneuvered into
something that the politicians are now calling a new world order,
which is, in point of fact, the same identical words
that Adolf Hitler used in his public speeches when he
began to talk about how the superior race was going

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to lead the world in the New Age to a
new world order, a new order based on a supreme
rulership of the masses by an aryan super race. And
this is the same words that the President of the
United States, congressmen and all of the so called elite
in this country are using the same Nazi terms, the

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same fascist terms. As a matter of fact, if you
recall and you might not recall, but there will be
many in the audience who will that. The symbol for fascism.
If you go back to a law dictionary and look up,
or in any dictionary, look up the word fascism, which
is the concept of world totalitarian state, the symbol for

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fascism is a fasci. Fasci in rome was a bundle
of sticks tied together with a hatchet head. It was
called a fasci. And today on both sides of the
presidential podium where the President gives a State of the
Union message, you will see it nightly on television.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
That room. Somebody is always making a speech in that room.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
The next time you see that room where the Congress
and Senate meet, and they are and you see the
presidential podium, look on both sides of the podium. Don't
look at the dunce talking. Look at the symbols on
both sides of the podium where the President stands, and
you will see Fasciyes, right to the Department of the State,

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the State Department, and have them send you back something
in a novel and look at the seal of the
State Department. Two fascis crossing. That is a very ancient
Roman Nazi fascist symbol, the crossing of the fascis.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
That is a symbol for the United States Senate.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
And today we're seeing synagogues being burned, Jewish people being
shot by some lone crazy assassin. Make no mistake about it,
there is no such a thing as a loan crazy assassin.
There is an underlying, all encompassing anti Semitism which is

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growing in this country, and it has nothing to do
with the American people, because generally speaking, the American people
don't have brains enough to figure this out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
There are some very evil people who are.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
At the reigns of government in this country, and unlessen
until somebody starts reading the symbols and understanding where this
stuff comes from, we're heading for another Nazi Germany, and
I don't want to see that happening this country.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
I believe that the UFO subject plays into this, not
in the way that you would immediately think.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I am not saying.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
That those people who see and experienced UFOs are fascists
or Nazis. I'm saying that I think that the technology
which we are now calling the UFO experience could very
well be some extremely articulate intelligent masterminds, and make no
mistake about it, Nazi Germany had them. I mean, we

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went to the moon with good old American ingenuity like
doctor Vine van Bron and all the other Nazis that
were brought here on the operation paper Clip. God, if
we only knew how much of our country is run
on the whole pattern of Nazism. I mean, the very

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reason why a child gets vaccinated. All of these symbols
and emblems are in hospitals, doctors' offices, government buildings. The
story is just so amazing, And this is why it
works because ninety nine and nineteen percent of all of
the American public have no idea and the world where

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any of this has come from, And they're going to
wake up, as I said before, and discover we are
in serious trouble because whoever has this kind of technology
and it's there because I've experienced it. If it's from
another world, that these UFOs are from another place, that's

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frightening because.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
I don't know who they are, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Don't know what they've come here for, or if some
very highly technically brilliant, gifted evil minds have taken this
kind of technology and reversed, engineered it to use it today,
and therefore what we're seeing today is Nazi UFO technology.

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If that be the case, I am still frightened to
death because it implies we don't have anything to match
this kind of technology, and anyone who does is going
to be our masters. And America has always had enemies.
And this is the whole story. We could go into

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as to where Nazism really came from and trace that
back into Europe, and trace that back into the Church,
and trace the Church history back to the third and
fourth century. Now you're getting into the secret societies behind
the Roman Empire who.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Use the swastika.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
All of a sudden, there's a whole world of knowledge
that people who are well informed and who need to
be And of course this kind of information usually is
considered to be a need to know information, and you
don't need to know. I think it's the time that
American needs to know who is behind this UFO technology,

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where is it coming from? Because it's legitimate and it's real,
and I can show you positive proof that this kind
of knowledge and this kind of technology was being worked
on by the best minds that Adolf Hitler had working
for him, and today they are in America. They do
motion pictures and television shows on this kind of stuff.

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About Operation paper Clip, there were rat lines. The word
is rat line. Look it up in any encyclopedia or dictionary.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
It will tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
That was a system by which the Vatican Rome. The
Vatican produced passports, money, all of the papers, the official
papers for all the top Nazis to be fled out
of Berlin and out of Germany. When they began to
see the war going against the Nazia movement, the Vatican

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began to give out passes for all of the top
Nazis to get out of the country, and they were
sent to Uruguay, Paraguay, into South America, Mexico, into Washington,
d Z. If they're really smart, and the Vaticans saw
to it that all of the top Nazis were taken
out of the countries, all of the teachers, all the theoreticians,
all the scientists. And today, happily America is on top

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in a dog eat dog world because we got the
best Nazis in the world working for us. Again, I'm saying,
you better do your homework. We are in serious trouble.
This kind of UFO technology which I told you about, represents,
in my mind, a very serious.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Threat to all of us.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
I for one, feel that this is an idea whose
time has come. To investigate this openly and let's see
who the traders are in this country. Let's see what's
really going on in America today, because if we don't,
and we lose this country to a totalitarian dictatorship, and
that's what it's coming to, the federal government is the boss.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
I don't care how.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Free you think you are and what you can do.
You do something this government doesn't want. They'll plant dope
on you, they'll find something in your hotel room, they
will do something, and you'll be taken off or like usually,
if you're a researcher, you just disappear and no one
will know where you are and nobody wants to talk
about it. I'm saying, we better wake up and find
out we're in trouble. I for one, would like to

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be at the forefront of investigating this, cause I've had
forty years of experience doing it. So that's my personal
feeling about our country, our time, and the UFO, the
whole UFO subject.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
I believe it's very legitimate. Wow, I'm riveted. Else the
the American flag with the fringe, the gold fringe on
the flag, and it's a maritime flag, which now puts
our court systems under the maritime mamulty law.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Yes, w you see. There are two kinds of law.
This is a subject I love. I've been talking to
talking about this for years. There are two kinds of
law on the earth that rule the whole world. But
most people don't know that. All over the world, all
governments are ruled by what is called civil law. Civil
law goes back to a Latin word civili, which goes

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back to the word ily.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Oh God. I mean, go on for hours on this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Civil law, which is called in all countries the law
of the land. So you'll say, well, you can't do
that because that's against the law of the land. The
law of the land is civil law, Roman civil law,
the law of the land.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
But there is a.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Second law which also operates all over the earth, identical.
It's called UC see Uniform Commercial Code.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
That is the law of God.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
In the world of business, I don't care if you're
in Japan, in Africa, in China and Istanbul, Turkey, if
you have a company, if you have a corporation. If
you are doing business where you buy and sell and
make money, you are operating on this earth under something
called uc see Uniform Commercial Code. Because if all countries

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worked on a different commercial code, then nobody could do
business with anybody. You couldn't trust Japan to pay you,
Japan couldn't trust America to pay them for the cars.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Because everybody has their own laws.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
I AH, under the Caesars of Rome. They established under
Caesar that all nations in the Empire that do business,
everybody plays on a level field. If you do business
in Africa with China, you pay them, and if Africa
does business with American companies, you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Pay. Whatever it is you're doing business. You don't mess around.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
The most severe law in this world is called UCEC
Uniform Commercial Code. It's the bible of business on the earth.
Uniform Commercial Code. Uniform Commercial Code is based directly on
Vatican Canon law, on the Roman Canon law. Consequently, when

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a ship pulls into port, it pulls in and stops
in its call in its birth. The ship is now
in its berth because it is on the law of
the high seas or commercial maritime see ze commercial law rules.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
The seas.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
So when the ship pulls into its birth, the first
thing the captain must do is to present a certificate
of manifest to the port authorities, which means that the
port authorities need to know how much is on this
ship that you're bringing in to our country and our economy,
how many TVs, how many cars, whatever you're bringing, how

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much are you bringing into our economy. So you have
to have a certificate, a manifest of what is the
value of your ship here? What are you doing. Consequently,
when you are born, you come out of your mother's water.
Therefore you must have a birth certificate, a certificate of manifest,
because you are a corporation owned item, you are a

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human resource. This goes back to the German Nazi concept
that every human coming out of their mother's water must
be birth and therefore you have to have a certificate
a manifest to see how much this individual is going
to make for.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Us in our new world order.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
I'm telling you that until you understand the laws, the symbols,
the emblems, what these words mean, you're never going to say, suspect,
how far gone we really are. Did you know, for instance,
that your birth certificate is a security on the stock
exchange in the New York stock market.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Did you know that?

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Because if you order your birth certificate, get a new one,
order your birth certificate and only costs you. Sometimes it's free.
It only costs you a few dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Order your birth certificate.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
On your birth certificate all birth certificates in this country.
On the bottom, it will tell you this is printed
on security papers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Do not accept.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
If not on full color security paper, then on the
right hand corner you will always have a series of numbers,
red numbers printed on the birth certificate. Those numbers are
a security stock exchange number on the world's stock exchange.
You go to any good stock office and ask them

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check these numbers in your computer and see how much
your stock is worth the certificate and they will check
on the New York Stock Exchange and find you your
birth certificate is a stock on the stock exchange in America. Why,
because you are worth money to the international bank that
bought you in nineteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
We need to wake up. This is serious stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Wow, that's great in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Yeah,