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Jordan Maxwell: Why Governments and Religions Hide the Truth About Extraterrestrial Life
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But thank you all for being here. And yeah, it was a very
important point that he made that Iwant to remake is that evolution is not
the subject that we should be lookingat creationism. I don't have any problem
with creationism at all. I thinkthere's a lot of legitimacy to creationism.

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But in relation to how we humansgot here on the Earth, I think
the subject is intervention rather than evolution, because I'm totally convinced for myself that
we today are someone else's creation.Someone created us, and whoever created us,

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they're watching us now, and therevery well might be evil entities also
who are watching us and trying tomiss lead the whole creation of mankind.
So it's a very interesting subject.But excuse me, but Christians have talked
about God creating man me. Butmany years ago I talked with one of

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the leading rabbis in America. Thisis back in the sixties, and he
helped me to understand a lot ofthings about what the Book of Genesis was
saying. And it became obvious tome that generally speaking, nothing in the
Book of Genesis that we Christians andthe Christian civilization have understood about Genesis was

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true none of it, because it'san encoded message. There's a lot of
encoded stuff that the Rabbis know,but they're not telling us, telling the
Jews either. But there's a lotof interesting stuff in Genesis. So let's

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get on with it because it'll beself explanatory. So I call this God
did not create Mad. And ofcourse we're going to talk about the Bible,
and incidentally, that's where I'm goingto from now on. I'm more
interested now in the cosmic implications ofwhere we are in life and who we

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are and where we're going. I'mnot interested in politics. I'm not interested
in in the mundane world that welive in. I'm very concerned about the
spiritual implications of where we are ashumans and what is God? And what
is the cosmic implications of where weare in history. There are some very

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serious things coming down on the earth, and we need to wake up and
find out. Has nothing to dowith politics. It has to do with
something going on out there. Andthat's what the knights templates said as above,
so below, whatever was happening tous down here is because something is
happening in the heavens. And I'vealways been interested in theology. But now

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I'm concentrating on nothing but theology now. So anyway, it was gonna be
dealing with the Bible, both theOld and New Testament, and of course
Genesis. In the first chapter ofGenesis is in the beginning, God created
the heavens and the earth. Well, in the beginning, God created the

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heavens and the earth. But youneed to understand that the Bible reference works
goes on to say the beginning thatGod created the heavens and the earth means
the beginning of the heavens and theearth, which are now because nobody knows
when the universe was created, butthe heavens and the earth that we live

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on now. This is a storyin the Bible of the times which we
are living, you know, modernday man, and the heavens and the
earth in which we are living innow. So when you want to talk
about God creating the universe, whennobody knows anything about that, we don't
know how far back that goes.So the first point I wanted to make

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is that when we talk about inthe beginning God, well, the first
things first, God, what areyou talking about when you say God?
Well, in Hebrew, the wordGod is l e l L and Hebrew
is God. But that's not theword that is used in Genesis one one.

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That's not e l. So weneed to define terms. What does
the word God meet in the oldOriginal Old Testament Hebrew language for God and
the in the Genesis one one inthe beginning, God created heavens and the
earth. No, it's not God. E L is God, but the

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actual word in Genus is one onein the original Hebrew is l Lohim.
L Lahim is basically like putting ans on the end of an English word.
Where you have car and then youadd an ass, it becomes cars
more than one. Well, puttinglahim on the end of L means in

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the plural more than one. Sothe correct translation should be in the beginning,
L Lohim created the heavens in theearth. And this is coming from
the O JB Bible, which isthe original Jewish Bible, and which the
Hebrew says in the beginning, LLohim created the heavens in the earth.
Well, of course God in Hebrewand genuis one one is Elhim. Here's

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the important point about all of thisis that God, the Hebrew word Elohim
in genus is one. One isa plural meaning more than one. So
we're seen from different religious literature scripturestudies. Outlines says God Elohim is top

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of the page says the word Elohimis a plural word and Hebrew plural form
of a noun is an i amot. Elohim is a plural form of
eloa. On the bottom, itsays it is interesting to note that even
Olohim is plural, the Hebrew dictionarystill translates that God instead of gods.
And that's because of the influence ofthe Christian world on Judaism during the Middle

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Ages. The Church decided what theBible is going to say and what it
is not going to say, andany Jews that get in the way will
be you know, they will bedone away with quickly. So the Church
kind of change things around to fitthe new dispensation in the new Christian movement,
and so they just call it Godin the beginning God creative. No,

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it's Elohim, God's more than one. From other dictionaries and biblical dictionaries,
we see eloheim the basic form God. God's is the plural form of
l as i said Unger's dictionary theplural form of Elohim. So one of
the bottom line on all of thisis it says, look up the word

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God in the concordance, and underthe heading you will find a list of
all the verses where you can findthe word God in the King James version,
and notice that the verse begins withGenesis one one, God made the
heavens on the earth. But tothe right of the verse and number four
thirty of that word Elohim. Turnedto the Hebrew and Chaldy dictionary in the

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back of the concordance, look upthe number four thirty and you will find
that the word Eloheim as used inGenesis one one one finds Elohim. And
on the bottom it says, youcan now read Elohim in Genesis one one
by reading the text like this.In the beginning, Elohim made the heavens
in the earth. Strong's definition ofElohim, as you will see as a

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plural now, and it goes onto talk about this divine counsel of beings,
even the very sons of God.Bene Elohim was an uncomfortable one for
the ancient Jews. After the Babyloniancaptivity because it directly shows Thepolotheism which was
later shunned even stamped out. Whatchanges in the scriptures to erase any lingering

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traces through these world though they arenot always successfully destroyed. This is clearly
seen in the Morgensterens analysis as hetries to downplay the significance of Elohim being
plural with a rather weak contention Psalmsin the Book of Psalms twenty nine and

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eighty nine were where we read BeneElohim is actually an artificial double plural formation
of a singular ben L. Morgensteinadmits that this attempt to making making the
plural into a singular was doing thepost extyle Jewish theological thought because they felt

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The Jews felt the need to reduceas much as possible the extreme polytheism of
the original benet L. What thisis basically saying is that the beginning of
the Jewish faith understood that there weremany gods and so and so, but
they tried to change it when Christianitywas coming in change it into one God.

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Can't do that. The word isElohim. It means plural. Period.
So here's another quote, and Godcreated man in his own image.
But the Hebrew word Elohim is aplural form, so h reference or condction.
Also see God septuagen Alohim is acommon name for God. It is

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a plural form meaning more than one. Here in the actual Hebrew translation in
an Old Testament Hebrew Bible, whereit says Elohim said we shall make man
uh. And now what is we? You know? And here God says
we are we shall make man inour image and our likeness. Now remember

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Moses and the ten commandments. Moseswith the ten commandments, what was the
first commandment? I'm the Lord,your God, who brought you out of
the land of Egypt or the houseof bondage. And you shall have no
other gods before me. Nowhere inthe Bible does God see there are no
other gods. He just lived inmorning gods before me. That's like I

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would say to my girlfriend. Youknow, there's a lot of men out
there, but I don't want tosee anyone before me. Right, So
there's a lot of mouth there,but you just remember. So this is
why the you and the I thinkit's Exodus twenty, no Genesis twenty,

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where it talks about Nos Exodus twenty, where it has the Ten Commandments,
that says thou shalt have no othergods before me, doesn't say there are
no other gods. And here's theway. It says, in different translations,
same thing, no other gods beforeme. There shall be no other
gods. And even in the OJV, the original Jewish Bible says there shall

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be no El Lohim in my presence. So let's see Diuteronomy eleven says,
take heed to yourselves, that youthat your heart not be deceived. You
turn aside and serve other gods andworship them. So the Bible, even
the Old Testament, admits that thereare other gods. It just God doesn't.
But Yahweh did not want the Hebrewsto worship any other God but him,

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But there are plenty of gods.First, you need to know that
the people we call the ancient Hebrewswere not actually Hebrews as such, what
we call today the Hebrews were infact Phoenicians and Canaanites. And so the
people we call Hebrews today speak alanguage which is the Phoenician language. But

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since Hebrews speak it, we callthat Hebrew. It's like saying that here
in America we speak the American language. No, we don't speak American,
we speak English. We are Americans, but we speak English. Well.
The same kind of idea as truewith the calling saying that the Hebrews today
speak speak a language called Hebrew.No they do not. The language is

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called the Phoenician Canaanite language, butthe Hebrews speak it. That's very important.
Remember. So here's an article ina Jewish publication and the Judaism,
and it says, it is thefaith that the people of Judah is the
development of the faith of the Semiticpeople, well known as Hebrews or Israelites.
It is recognized that the first religioustradition noted for its monotheism, But

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Hebrew tradition did not begin as monotheism. So we have been told for many
years that the Jewish religion and theJewish people were the first monotheistic people in
history at first. In monotheistic simplymeans a worshipper of one God. I
think I've even got that here.The Hebrew people, we are told,

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were the worshippers of one God,and that's mono theistic. In point of
fact. No, there has neverbeen in the whole history of the Hebrew
people a monotheistic religion. They werenever monotheistic. They're not monotheistic now and
never will be. The word correctlyis he know. Look in the dictionary

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and look up the word he knowh e and theistic. He know theistic
is what the Hebrews are today.The Jewish religion is a he know theistic
religion. He know Theistic simply meansthe worship of one God without denying the
existence of other gods, or thebelief in one God without denying the existence

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of others. He know Theistic simplymeans picking one god from a group.
So it's like having twenty five differentgods. And the Hebrews picked Yahweh,
and so they picked him, andso they made a contract with their God
to be his people and he wouldbe their God. So, in a
matter of speaking, we could saythe Hebrews were worshippers of one God.

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But it's not saying that there's onlyone god in the universe. No,
No, there's many gods. Butthey made a contract with that particular God.
So they are worshippers of one God. And so that concept of having
many gods in picking one is calledhe Know Theism, So that's the name
of that too. And there's alot of articles written about he Know Theism.

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I'm not gonna read a lot ofthis. I was going to,
but we don't have a whole lotof times I won it says, from
he Know Theism to Monotheism, hesays carefully, careful readers have often noticed
a gradual development of serving one Godamong many he Know Theism to the eventual
claim that there is only one Godmonotheism. So today Christians believe that the

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Jews are the worshippers of one God. No, go back into your homework,
as never has been and never willbe. The ancient Hebrews were worshippers
of one particular God out of agroup. And so it says Yahweh is
not Elohim. Rather he is apart of the Lohim. So saying God

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is not the Yahweh, the Godof the Hebrews is not the almighty God.
He is not all the gods.He is rather one of the gods
English of Hosts. They completely ignorethe construct of Yahweh Alohim and translated as
Jahweh God. And this I hearall the time from Jews and Christians.

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Well, the Bible says there's onlyone God. No, it does not.
The very word geness is one.One is Elohim, many gods the
Hebrews of the Hebrew of this verseliterally reads, anyone sacrifices and too,
Elohim will be destroyed unless it isto Yahweh himself. This is a very

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clear he know theistic view of Yahweh. While Yahweh is a part of the
Alohim, he's a part of thegods. He is the only one that
the Israelites are commanded to sacrifice toand not to any other of the gods.
And again you go back to theoriginal Hebrew Bible, it says that
Genesis is one. One says God, Elohim, we shall create man we

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So he knows theism is the basefor Judaism. So now you pick up
and so now you understand it issaid that the Jews worship one God.
Know there are many gods, theyjust pick one from the group. In
the Book of Psalms, the Bookof Psalms eighty two to one, the
scripture says God or Yahweh in thiscase, Yeahwegh Yahweh, the God of

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the Hebrews, stands in the congregationof the Mighty. He judgeth among the
gods. So he's a part ofa whole group of gods, and he
judges his people among all the othergods. So let's see how other verses,
Bible verses say this. The CEBBible says, God takes his stand

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in the Divine Council. The correctJewish Bible says, an Elohim God stands
in the Divine assembly. Where therethere with the Elohim, he judges another
one the ESV version of the Bible, God has taken his place in the

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Divine Council, in the midst ofthe gods, is placed in the Divine
council. He presides in the heavenlyCouncil and the assembly of the gods.
So you know, the Bible isfilled with these quotes. Where the where
Yahweh, the God of the Hebrewsis one of the many gods who rules.
Where in the group of gods.So that in the Old Testament.

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But even that's in the Old Testament. But even the Apostle Paul and the
Christian New Testament says, in thebuck of First Corinthians. He says,
for though there be that that arecalled gods, whether in heaven or on
earth, as there are as therebe God's many and Lord's many. So

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even the apostle Paul is saying,yeah, there's a lot of gods and
lords, you know, so youneed to understand which one you're worshiping.
They amplify a Bible says, indeed, there are many of them talking about
the gods. So to recap,the ancient Hebrews were not monotheistic, but
they were worshiping one God. Theywere he know, theistic, making it
meaning that they pick one from abunch of gods. And as we've said,

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even the Christian apostle Paul said thesame thing, that there are many
gods and many lords. Now let'sgo back to Genesis one twenty six where
God is creating man, because nowit's actually the gods are creating man.
So here in Genesis one twenty six, and it says, and God said,
Elohim, the gods, God said, let us make man in our

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image after our likeness. What's usat our let God? God said,
let us make man in our imageafter our likeness. Let's see how other
Bibles say it. The Good NewsBible says, and God said, and
now we will make human beings.They will be like us and resemble us.

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New Living Translation of the Bible says, then God said, let us
make human beings in our image tobe like us. The Common English Bible
says, then God said, letus make humanity in our image to resemble
us. The Complete Jewish Bible says, and then God said, let us

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make human kime in our image andin the likeness of ourselves. The contemporary
English version of the Bible says,now we will make humans, and they
will be like us. The easyto read version says, and God said,
now let us make humans who willbe like us. So in Genesis

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and even in Genesis three twenty twoagain makes the same kind of claiming.
It says in the Lord God,God or Gods said, the whole man
has become as one of us.He's become too smart. We made him
too clever and too smart. He'sbecome like one of us now. And
so in the Holy Bible, theNew Life version says, let us make

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man like us. And here's thepoint. We now know that God is
plural, more than one. Sothe gods have said, let us make
man. No, that is amistranslation. It was mistranslated. Is not
like. It is not saying letus make man. God did not make

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man, as you will see.The word in Hebrew for man is ish
or issi I s h is areish in Hebrew as man. But the
Bible expressly says that the Gods madea d M, not ish. So
from a Hebrew dictionary it says manis ish. Here's another one. According

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to this, the Hebrew word forwoman is isha and comes from the Hebrew
word for man ish. So ifthe Bible says God made man, it
will say God made ish. Interestingto word for man. Woman in the
Hebrew is identical man. It ispronounced ish. But the Bible doesn't say
God created ish. It says inHebrew, we shall make a d M,

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which is translated into our English humanin the image of us. So
God did not make ish. Hemade a d LM and Hebrew ad M.
And the Christian Church added another aidduring the elect the twelve thirteenth century.
They added an eight in there.So I'll make it adam. No,
it's not adam ad M three Hebrewletters, which means something esthetically to

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the Jews, it's a hidden codeADM, but it is not ish is
a So God didn't make ish.He made ADM. Talked to the rabbis
about what ADM really means in Hebrew. So, like so many other humans,
do we even ADM, which isAdam had offspring, had male offspring,

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the Bible says. And look whatthe Bible says that describes when Adam
had an offspring, he said,and Adam lived one hundred and thirty years
and begat a son and his ownlikeness after his image, just like the
gods created us and their own imageand likeness. So it says Adam had
a son, and he had ason that was in his likeness and own

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image. Well, of course,if you have a son, he's going
to look human. He's going tobe like a human, not gonna look
like some entity from an outer space. He's gonna look human. So he's
going to be made in your imageand likeness. And so Adam had his
son. He looked at his ownimage and likeness, which is the same
thing the Bible says about the godswho created us. They made us to

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look like themselves and their image andlikeness. So there are many examples in
the Bible that show that the godslooked like us, and or actually we
look like them. They were herebefore we are. So I'm going somewhere
with this when I'm laying the foundationfor it. A classic example that's found

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in the story of Abraham meeting threevisitors that came to visit him. In
the Book of Genesis eighteen chapter there'sa story about Abraham having three visitors,
three men that came to visit him, and it says that Abraham was filled
with fear and bowed down, andit says now here it is in eighteen
one and the Lord. And you'llnotice that the word Lord is capitalized.

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When the Lord is capitalized, itmeans it is the Creator, Yahweh,
one of the Alohim. But Yahweh, the Lord who created, said appeared
to him, and it says,and he lifted this is Abraham. And
Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked. There were three men stood by him.

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And when he saw them, heran to meet them from the tent
and bowed himself to the ground.These three men walked up, but one
of them was the Lord, theCreator, Yahweh, and so it goes
on to say that the Lord appearedunto Abraham and three men. So it
keeps talking about the three men,and then Abraham asked the three men to

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please stay for dinner, which theyagreed to do. And so it said
that Sarah went out and fixed dinnerfor them, and they sat under the
tree and had dinner. And thenafter dinner the three men, two of
them got up, he says,after the eating, two of the three
men and got up to be ontheir way, while the third man stayed

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a bit longer to talk with Abraham. And so the men rose up.
These are the two men that roseup out to dinner, and they were
looking towards Sodom, because they weregoing to Sodom. So, okay,
now we see the two men gotup after eating dinner, and Abraham walked
with them a bit on their wayto the city of Sodom. And it

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says in chapter nineteen, and therecame two angels to Sodom that evening,
and Lot set in the gates ofSodom, and Lot, seeing them,
rose up, and to meet them, he bowed himself just like Abraham.
Lot bowed himself down with his faceto the ground, and he said,
behold my lord's lower case, andturn in. I prayed to your servant's

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house. So the point I'm makinghere is that in the book of Genesis
eighteen, three men came walking upinto the camp, and they and Abraham
and Sarah made dinner for them,and they sat under the tree had dinner
with Abraham and his wife. Thentwo of the men got up and they
were going on to their business,and they were going on to Sodom.

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And but then the next chapter itsays those two men are now called two
angels that went into Sodom. Well, that's what the words back in Jedesys
eight team was the Elohim. Theywere angels, they were gods. And
there were three of them that poppedup in front of Abraham, and one
of them stayed. And so themen the men said this, and the

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men said that. Well, wego on and read in Genesis is nineteen
about what the men did. Butlater on down here and verse fifteen that
talks about the angels again. Sothe Bible and then jenas Is eighteen and
nineteen is into using into playing angelswith men. So well, that's what
the Bible says, God bade usin his image of likeness. Obviously,

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the God must look like us,or we looked like him. So the
point is, according to the Bible, the word God is Alohim, which
means the gods, and it's pluralmeaning more than one. And they made
us in their image and likeness,so we look like them. So that's
why your male offspring looks human likeyou do. Okay, And here's him
bowing down to the three men.Then we find out, actually upon deeper

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research, that three men were actuallythree angels. So this is why in
the Christian New Testament, the ApostlePaul says. Then this is what the
Apostle Paul and Christianity says about thissubject. He says, but let brotherly
love continue, be not forgetful toit, be not forgetful to entertain strangers

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for some, For thereby some haveentertained angels unaware, saying that when you
meet someone, being hospitable, becauseyou might be talking to an angel because
they look like you or you looklike them. And so here's another Bible
Gntiq says, remember to welcome strangersinto your home. There was some who

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did that and welcomed angels without knowingit. Another translation NLT translation said,
don't forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have done this have
entertained angels without realizing it. Sothe point I'm making is that angels and
gods look like us. We aremade in their image and likeness, and

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that is the bottom line on whatI'm trying to get across to you.
So now it's here that I wantto clarify the idea that God is the
gods, and they did not makeman ish. They made a d M,
not ish again, and the oldancient Hebrew it says we we shall
make ish no a d M,which is loosely transmitted hugh Man and the

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image of us. So the godsmade a d M, and ADM becomes
add them Adam, and the Adamlooks like the God that created him.
So let's recap very quickly. Godis Hebrew plural, which is actually he
knows theism the worship of many gods, the plural meaning more than one.

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There it is Alohim, we shallmake man, And it goes on and
back. Here it says we shallmake a d M, not ish other
gods. We're told not to worshipother gods and worship them. Indeed,
there are many of them. Thereare many gods. God say, let
us make man in our image.So therefore the conclusion is God is the
gods, and the gods made ad m and not ish. Now the

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three men with Abraham turned out tobe angels. Now let's move on to
the next point. Now, forthat we go to Genesis ninety one,
after the flood of no Day.In the Bible, Genesis nine one says,
this is after the flood of Noah'sday, when everyone's supposedly you have

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been killed in the flood. Andthen God said to Noah and his sons,
He said to them, be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth.
I remember asking the rabbis many manyyears ago, is this a correct translation
from the old Hebrew? Be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth. The

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question I have for the rabbi was, is this word replenish correctly translated?
And he said, yes, itis. Well. Ree means do it
again, So to replenish means todo it again. Well, obviously,
if the earth have many people,and God destroyed all the people in a
flood, and if you want peopleon the earth. You're going to have

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to replenish the earth. Makes sense. So in Genesis nine one, replenish
the earth, he's telling Noah andhis sons. Okay, red as I
said, means do it again.And here is in the Old Jewish Bible,
says Elohim says, be fruitful,multiply, and replenish the earth is

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a Hebrew word meaning do it again. But what about genuis one one?
And here's the point. Genesis isone one when God is making a d
M and his wife. When Godis making the first pair. Here it
is in Genesis one where God iscreating a d M or Adam and his
wife Eve, it says, Andso God created man. The God's created

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man in his own image, andthe image of God created he them male
and female. And God blessed Adam, Adam and his wife. God blessed
them, and God said into them, be fruitful, multiply, and replenish
the earth. So here God issaying to Adam and Eve, the first

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couple supposedly to replenish the earth,do it again. So what are you
talking about. I thought that Godcreated Adiman, he was the first couple.
No, No, God said replenishhearth do it again. So why
would the gods tell Adm and hiswife to multiply and replenish the earth.

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It means because he wanted them todo it again. And the reason why
is because if you go to Genesisone one, the answer to why Adam
and he was to replenish the earth. Genesis one two is a very important
scripture. In the beginning, thegods created the heavens and the earth,
and the earth was without form andvoid. That is an incorrect English translation

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of the Hebrew words tohuvavahu as anincorrect translation. Uh, the earth was
without form and void. Think aboutit. God creates the earth and it
has no form and is void.I mean, what does that all mean?
It's without form and void. Well, it's a mistranslation. That's not
what it says. So when weread the earth was without form and void,

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it's a mistranslation of the original Hebrewwords tohu vavoho. And the earth
was in the Old Jewish Bible andthe earth was tohuvavohu tohuvaboho is actually translated
correctly. And the earth became awaste in a desolation, not form without

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form, and void. No,the earth tohuvaboho means became a waste in
a desolation. So what is theBible actually saying in the original Hebrew is
that the earth became a waste inthe beginning, God created heavens of the
earth. But Hebrew vib was theearth was became a waste in a desolation.

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This is in the Hebrew. Theorder of words in a sentence is
all also important. When the verbis in the original text and follows the
subject in the sentence, it indicatesa change of tents and should be translated
as became or had become. Itis a change of something existing from what

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it had been, since the earthhad already been created in Genus has one
one. The verb higher being andthe original detext follows the subject. Thus
indicates a change that occurred with theearth at its original creation, since a
change in the Earth had already takenplace in the past. The verb high

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translate translated incorrectly translated was should havebeen translated correctly as became a waste and
a desolation. This is very important. Here's a good book Bible translation that
at least set it right. Andthe earth became a waste. And here's

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a translation from the Bible says theearth was without form and void. No,
was as became and without form.No, the word is tohuvabo,
who a waste. So what I'msaying to you is that what the Bible
is saying in Genesis one two isthat the earth became a terrible waste and

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a terrible place. It wasn't createdwithout form and void. The word is
tohuvavo who Okay, so not createdtoed but became the earth became a waste
in the desolation. Now that's importantbecause the Hebrew words tohuvavo who are only
found twice in the Bible Genesis onetwo, Tohuvabo, who means became a

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waste in the desolation. Well,there's a second place, Tohuvavo, who
is used and is in the Bookof Jeremiah. And in Jeremiah the fourth
chapter, the Bible says Jeremiah said, I was given a vision by God.
The prophet. Jeremiah said, Iwas given a vision by God.

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And in division he said, Ibeheld the earth, and lo, it
was without form and void. No, Jeremiah had a vision from God,
and in division he saw the earthbecame a waste in a desolation. And
he then goes on to say,in twenty five, and I beheld,
and there was no man. Therewas no Issh, and for sure there

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was no Adddam. So he wasseeing the earth, and it became a
waste in the desolation, and therewas no man. But then he goes
on to say in twenty six,and I beheld, and a fruitful place
was a wilderness, and all thecities thereof were broken down, and the
whole land became desolate. What doyou mean, all the cities There was

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no man. There was no Addam, no ish, but there were big
cities, and then all of asudden those cities became a way the desolation.
Here's another quote said the earth waswithout former void, and then it
says without former void. No.Jeremiah clearly indicates the Earth had undergone a

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cataclysmic change as a result of divinejudgment. The face of the earth bears
witness everywhere the marks of such acatastrophic thing happening on the earth. So
here's another quote bears CHIPA one two, which is actually Genus is one two,
and the earth was tohu Vabohu canbe taken as a hint that the

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Bible at Taurus stands. It startsits account after the destruction of the world
a prehistoric man. And that isthe point I'm trying to make here today,
is that when the Bible talks aboutthe creation of a d m Adam,
it's not talking about ish and it'snot talking about man. It's talking

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about a particular kind of man thathas made in the image and the likeness
of the Alohim. Because whatever manwas that was already here for millions of
years, something happened where outside entitiescame here. They were called the Alohem
the gods. Well, what werethe gods? I don't know. But

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if you ask a child where isGod? And the children will say,
God's in heaven. Where do youbelieve in angels? Yes, well,
where do angels come from? Theycome from Heaven. Well, I don't
know if you know this or not, but anytime a god or an angel
comes from Heaven, that's extraterrestrial.That's not from here. They're not from
Cleveland, They're from Heaven. Okay, So all the ancient scriptures of the

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world say that the gods, whoeverthey are. They came down here and
they saw the indigenous creatures, theish to man, the creatures we call
them hominids in science. They werehominid creatures. They weren't quite man,
but they kind of walked up right, look something like us. And then
somebody intervened in our natural evolution ofhammadid creatures and created a new kind of

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man, not ish, Adam,that's you. Somebody created you. And
they didn't just create you out ofnothing. Know, someone intervened in our
natural evolution of millions of years andcame here and created a new kind of
man. So chance again Genesis onetwenty eight. And God created man in

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his own image, and he toldAdam and Eve to replenish the earth.
Of course, why would the godstell Adam and his white to multiply and
replenish the earth, because re meansdo it again? What did I do?
Did I push a wrong button here? Oh? Wait a minute,

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push a what you do it forme? Because I don't want to make
it even worse? Oh I'm sorry? A click? And then the house
okay, good, thank you?Sure that that's good. You don't want

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to just take it from there?So again we see that the Genesis one
two says that the earth was Tohuvabohu, And this writer in the Hebrew says
that's taken as a hint that theTorah or the Bible, starts its biblical

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account of man after the destruction ofprehistoric man. So, now what we're
talking about is Hamidid creatures, theseancient creatures which we have found skeletal remains
all over the earth, of creatureswhich walked upright. We call them Hamidid
creatures or cave man. I don'tcare what you call them. We got
all kinds of names for the ancientpeoples of the world. They were called

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hominids. And from the hominid creatureswe now have a dam a different kind
of creature. So from this hamididcreature to modern day humans. So we
start off with the hominids and weend up today with modern day humans.

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Now, so the point I'm makingis that we were hominids. We were
ancient, ancient creatures until somebody intervenedin our natural evolution and created us.

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And the scripture says in the Bibleand in all other ancient scriptures say the
same thing, that the gods createdus in their image and their likeness,
and so we look like they whohave created us, which means that today
they're very well might be people whowe consider to be beautiful and important people,

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politicians and important people who are leadingthe world, which are in point
of fact, not human at all. They very well might be the Earth
and its people on the Earth todayvery well might be led by higher intelligences
who look like us, and welook up to them because they're big shot

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politicians and big shot world leaders.Never realizing you are looking at the Onunaki,
the ones that the ancient call theones who created the humans. They're
not human, they just look human. And there have been a lot of
sci fi movies made about that aliennation, and Bill Berg with his television

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series Taken. So all I'm sayingto you is that you need to go
back and think about the idea thatthe evolution is not the subject. Intervention
is the subject. And I amtotally convinced that we are being led in
the world today, all over theEarth by entities that look like us,
that look like human, but theyare the ones who represent those who created

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us. We look like them,and they are misleading us, playing us
for fools and getting us to fighttheir wars, and they're selling our bodies
on the New York Stock Exchange,and they've set up a whole system of
commerce in the world. And religionsand politics and all the other human trash

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that we have to deal with everyday in life. Why because they created
us and they are our gods.So I would suggest that you might want
to take another look at religion,jud the Christianity, and Islam, and
understand these are nothing more than thecreation of the gods. And there's no
truth in them anywhere, nothing ofany value in those three religions, and

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a lesson until you can get outfrom under the manipulation and the exploitation of
the human psyche by those who looklike us. We are in serious trouble
in this world because the people havegiven their sovereignty, they've given their lives,
they've given the hopes of the futureto possibly extraterrestrials who couldn't care less

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about you. They created you,and that they look upon us as chattel
property. They own you like trashand like animals. So I would suggest
that what we need to see nowin the world is a revolution of minds.
We need a whole spiritual renaissance wherethe people of the world rise up
and say no longer do we buyinto your religions, your politics, your

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commercial system, you're banking none ofit. It's all extraterrestrial influence. And
we don't believe in your gods anymore. That doesn't mean that there isn't a
divine presence in the universe. Thatthere is no doubt in my mind.
But we are coming to a placenow. I mean the Mayan Calendar is

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talking about it, but I don'tknow that that's gonna be of any important
importance. But I do know thatthe world is entering into a very dark
period now where the human race isgonna wake up and find out we've been
had by those entities who have comehere from somewhere else and made us to
look like them, and they aremisleading the whole human race using Judaism,
Christianity in Islam. And I wantto thank you. Oh yeah, question

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answer, yeah, okay, Iguess we could take some question to answer.
That doesn't mean I have the answers, huh yeah. So if you
uh, if you got any questionswhich I can't answer, then you will
you can come to the mic ifyou have any But again I would say
I'm I'm not the world's foremost authorityon anything, so don't expect any brilliant

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answers from me. I have alwaysbelieved that, I've said this many times.
Always trust the person looking for thetruth, don't ever trust the one
who's found it. All right,Jordan, you've shown that in the Old

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test that many times to use theword elohem. Is there any ever time
to use the word eli representing asingle god? Oh yeah, yeah,
quite a few times, but theywere usually that was applied to angels or
Jewish high priests. They were taughtthey were called the elis, and so

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sometimes when that word was used,it was talking about angels. A particular
angel or one of the Jewish highpriests also had the same title. And
so that's a whole subject. Imean, you don't even get into the
whole subject of the Hebrew language andthe word God as opposed to gods,
as opposed to the aloheim. Andthere's a very important subject which I didn't

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even touch on here. Well,I touched a little bit on it,
but the subject is the sons ofGod because in the Hebrew Bible, as
also in other different old religious texts. There is an idea in the Bible.
In the Old Testament Bible, thereare many different kinds of entities.

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There are spirits, which we callghosts or spirits. Then there's disembodied spirits.
Disembodied spirits means that there were spiritswhich used to have a body,
and then their body died and sotheir spirit went back into the spirit world,

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which is the spirits of humans whohave died, but they are disembodied
spirits because they used to have abody. Well, that's not the same
as ghosts or spirit entities in theBible, because the spirit entities in the
Bible were created spirits and they neverhad a body, as opposed to people.
When they died, their spirit goesout. So now there's two kinds
of spirits, the ones who werealways a spirit and then the ones that

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used to have a body. Andso now we got two kinds of spirits.
Then you have something called the watchersin the Old Testament. The watchers
is a different term for a differentkind of spirit entity. Then you have
another term, which is in themost important one is sons of God.
Sons of God are not angels.Sons of God are the offspring of the

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mating between the extraterrestrials who came hereand the women who were already here,
and they had offspring, and theBible doesn't call them children. It says
that the aliens, the Aloheims,the gods who came here, and after
they created adm Adam, they beginto see that what they had created was

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beautiful. The women were gorgeous,so they started thinking too much about what
they have created and started taking onthe women and pro creating with them.
And it doesn't say what they womengave birth to. The Bible says and
the women gave birth to children,No, it doesn't say that. In
the Hebrews, it just says thatthe women gave birth period, and it

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doesn't say what they gave birth to. Well, if these were extraterrestrials from
another world who looked like us,and they cross breed with the human creatures
that they had created, and thosecreatures were giving birth to something that was
extraterrestrial and human, and Inhamedid itwas. Now that's why today I think

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that we are half human, halfman, and half spirit, because there's
half and the apostle Paul says thatthere's a war going on in the flesh
of mankind between the spirit and theflesh. Why because the flesh represents the
ish, the creatures that were alreadyhere, as opposed to when the angels

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came here or the spirits or whoeverthey are, came here and recreated us.
Now there's half of us is fromthem, the anarchy, and the
other half is from the ish,the creatures that were already here. Well,
that's true because all humans. Halfof us are just animals, but
the other half creates beautiful music andlasers and goes to the moon and has

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beautiful art and could do wonderful andgreat things and be very spiritual. At
the same time, you get onecan go out and kill somebody, because
there's there's the human part of us. So there's two There's there's two things
going on inside of us, thewar between the the what the extraterrestrials put
into us and the normal animalistic thingthat we were before they got here.

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So that's what I'm saying, thehuman race is today. We are an
intervention in our natural evolution. Strangestuff. Thank you. You talk about

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being aware of religion or kind ofbeing wary of religion. But this information
is in the Bible. How doyou how do you? It's because the
Bible is not the work of aholy priesthood writing holy scriptures. The Bible
is the work of people who havestudied all the ancient cults of the world,

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all the ancient religions of the world, the ancient hidden mysteries of the
world. And when you begin tolook at the actual history of the Old
Testament and the history of the ancientHebrews, you will find there was no
ancient history of the Hebrews. Thatthe Old Testament most likely was put together
by some very very highly intelligent priestsand writers, probably doing i would say,

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seventh, eighth, ninth and tenthcentury AD. I do not believe
that Judaism as a BC religion.I don't think there was an ancient Jerusalem
and ancient Judaism. I believe thatthe Bible as we know it, the
Old Testament, Bible, the JewishOld Testament, probably has something to do
with the Hanseiotic League, a Germanleague of highly intelligent priests, clergyman,

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commercial ventures, bankers. It's calledthe Hanseiotic League. And out of the
Hanseiotic League, and Europe began awhole new religious concept called Judaism, and
we began to see a whole newreligion being developed. But that's in the
AD. As far as I'm concerned, looking at all the reference works of

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the world, there was no BCJudaas, there was no ancient Jerusalem,
there was no ancient Hebrew people,none of it ever existed. But I'm
thinking that whoever these wise men werethat put together this Bible and wrote it
in such a way as the Dcodesecret things into it, anyone who studied

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the Bible knows that almost ninety ninepercent of everything is in the Old Testament
was already in existence in ancient cultures, the Old Sumerians, the Babylonians,
the Venetian Canaanites, the Assyrians,especially the Medo Persians. But all of
these ancient stories that were and Ibelieve these ancient people with their ancient stories,
were not writing for Hollywood. They'rejust telling you what they saw.

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They're just telling you. The Samerianswere just telling what they were experiencing.
They were not writing for television.And so the people who wrote the Old
Testament took all of those ancient storiesand put them together and started getting a
consensus of what the ancient people wassaying and what was really going on,
and then they translated it into anew book for us called the Bible.

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So I have the highest of respectfor the Bible and what's in it,
because I understand it didn't come fromYahweh and some wonderful God. Know.
It's a collection of all the ancientwisdom of the world that these people,
you know, five to seven hundredyears ago, were very intelligent people,
and they were getting a consensus ofall the ancient writings of the world from

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the Egyptians, the ancient Hindus andput together a whole new story based on
all of that ancient stuff. Sothat's why I have the highest of respect
for the Bible, because that's anincredible collection of ancient wisdom telling you something.
But like the Rabbis have told me, it's all encoded. It's encoded,

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it's not on the surface. Youneed to know what the rabbis were
really saying and what these people werereally saying, not what you thought they
were saying. So religion is basicallyusing that as a the the good information,
and then distorting it in order tocontrol that's right to keep control.
But there are rabbis who and I'vesat with some very really interesting rabbis who

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who tell me? Because I confrontedthem with a lot of this. They
said, well, you're right,And I said, no, I want
to know. Was Judaism actually ab C religion? They said, well,
I mean, it's just a story. It's just a story. I
said, I know, it's justa story, but I'm asking you.
Was there any legitimate history in it? No, there wasn't. And now

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there is a There are the toparchaeologists and a top palaeontologists in Egypt.
One is named Finkelstein, and Ithe other one I can't remember his name.
They have come out with a bookabout two years ago. They were
the top professors in Israel, andthey wrote a book together called Unearthing the
Bible, in which they said,and they are the best of the best

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in Israel. And they said,none of the stories in the Old Testament
or history, none of them.There was no Moses, and there was
no crossing the Red Sea, andthere was no Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
All of these stories were stories ofthe ancient world that were remolded into

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a new story. For a newtime and a new people. But all
of it's based on the ancient stuff. So that means that what you're reading
is not necessarily nonsense and crap.No, it's based on ancient, real
knowledge that the ancient people's had.But it's a new story for a new
time. That's why the Bible's calledthe greatest story ever told. It's a

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story know and so if you understandit's a story and it's based on older,
more ancient writings. I have thehighest admiration for the Bible because it's
a great collection. And at thispoint I'd like to also say I have
an all encompassing fear and and appreciationfor God. I have no problem with

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the concept of a divine presence inthe universe that is overshadowing all life.
Uh, there is the differences ofGod. Are you talking about aliens who
came here who are very clever andcreated you, or are you talking about
a higher power in the universe.It's even over them. Well, from
all I've gathered from what people havesaid in books and lectures, I've heard

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that they have been abducted by thesealiens who look like us, who look
like Nordic's Well, you're talking aboutpeople who look human, but they were
extraterrestrial. Well, Bible says thesame thing. But I have the highest
of admiration for the idea, theconcept of a higher power in the universe
that men have called God. Idon't have any problem with that, that

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idea at all. It's these sillyreligions which are corporations and businesses and making
billions of dollars off of poor people'signorance. That's what I have a problem
with God. I don't have anyproblem with God. I don't mess with
that. I don't even think I'dbe alive today if it wasn't for God.

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So Hi, which Ananaki? Doyou think behind the Illuminati? Is
it like Enlil or Marduk and what'shappened to Enki and Nima Uh? I'm
not really sure about any of that. I was a very close friends with

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Zachariah Sitchen, and I was inbusiness with him, and we talked about
this stuff quite a bit. Isaid Zacharia's session to five countries, and
I helped get his books published,and he and I were very close friends
for a long time. We werein business together, and I asked.
I've asked him a lot of thesequestions. He knew the answers to them,
but he would never give me anystraight answer. So I would say

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that I'm not sure about this subjectall. The only thing I am sure
about is that we're not talking aboutone glorious god who created Adam and Eve.
We're talking about extraterrestrials who look likeus. And of that there is
no doubt in my mind about becausethe people who are running this planet have
already proven to They've proven over andover again they don't care about the human

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race. They don't care about humanlife. Why because they're not human.
They're not like us, They're nothuman. They don't care they have to
kill millions of children in another country. They just don't care because they're you
know, they created us. Soyou know, we are like chattel.
I mean a law, humans arecalled chattel property, meaning we're cattle.

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And so naturally of farmer or rancherwill take care of his cattle. Why
because he can sell them and youcan have hamburgers, and so you have
to take care of your cattle,and so you give them a place to
live and water to drink. Andfood and take care of them and give
them entertainment. That doesn't mean youlove them, No, it means you're
gonna feed off of them, you'regonna sell them at the stock market,
You're gonna use them for your politicalpurposes. So I don't think the people

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who are leading the country and leadingthe world today are human. I think
the demonic that they're pray. They'reevil, and probably the most powerful,
evil, demonic and depraved of allis in the US. I think we're
being led by the most evil peoplein the world. And again, I

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don't think they're a human WHI Iwas reading a book. I was reading
a book on symbols, and itsaid that religions that use the symbol of
the cross and the crown are religionsthat are run by the illuminati. Is
there any kind of relevance at allto that? Yeah? Really, Oh

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I've been talking about that for years. Oh really, What I would tell
you about that. She's talking aboutthe religious symbol that's used in Christianity of
a cross inside of a crown,the cross in the crown. Charles Tess
Russell used the cross in the crownback in eighteen seventy one, when he
started the IBSA, which became knownas Jehovah's Witnesses. Jehovah's Witnesses was started

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by an organization back in eighteen seventyone that used the cross in the crown.
All the Protestant Christianity, all theProtestant Christianity uses the cross in the
crown, plus some of the facetsof the Catholic Church. You still used
across in the crown, but thecross in the crown. Christians think the

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cross represents the cross of Christ inthe crown that Jesus will wear as king.
Now, the cross in the crownhas to do with Masonic order.
It has to do with a veryancient orders coming out of Rome and the
days of the Caesars, when thecross in the crown was used as an
occult symbol for secret societies that werebeginning to come up with this new idea

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of Christianity. And so it's avery interesting subject on the cult symbols and
how they're being used today. Theydon't mean what you think they do,
thank you. Yeah. You know. Incidentally, the very word church.
You know, how many people goto church every day and have no idea

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where the word comes from and whatit means Church comes from a from a
Scottish word kirk, like Captain Kirkof the good ship enterprise. You know,
that's what religion is, it's anenterprise. But church is an English
word that's based on a Scottish wordkirk k e r k r k i
r k and kirk is directly transdirectly connected to an ancient goddess in the

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Middle East called Circe or Circe.She was called Mother Circe or later on
in Scotland, mother Kirk, orlater on in England Mother Church. Church
is Circe in Scotland, Circe isuh uh Kirk in Scottish becomes Circe in
the ancient Middle East, she wasa goddess, and she was a goddess

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in the Greek mythology who was ableto hypnotize people and bring them into her
home, shut the door and taketheir minds away from them, and eat
them and live off of them.And so this is what Mother Curse Circe
has done other church. The churchtakes people in with magic, brings them

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in locks the door behind, takestheir their minds so they can't read,
they can't think, and all theyknow how to do is bowed out to
the man with the fishhead, andthey and but it's true. That's what
the Pope wears. It's called thePope's Miters. It's the head of a
fish, which goes back to theworship of daygone, Day Gone, the
fish God of Rome. So allof this is all ancient stuff coming from

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somewhere out there, and these peopleare real serious evil. Well, you're
absolutely right, Thank you so much. I wanted to ask you what you
knew about the report from Iron Mountainthat JFK requisitioned in nineteen sixty one with
the experts and then that came out. Yeah, I know, I remember

(01:05:29):
talking about secret societies and relating thatto biblical phrases and then bringing in the
New World Order and just how theywere going to dismantle America, collapse our
Constitution and the Bill of Rights andtake away Well they're not going to do
that. It's already done. It'sdone, right. But I mean,
I'm just wondering what you've it's Iknow it is, it is. Yeah,

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I've talked to too many I've beenall around the world and I've talked
to too many people very important peoplethat you have no idea in the world
that I know that very top ofthis government that were personal friends of mine,
and I've sat and talked with himin private. Advisers to the President
of the United States, top ofthe top on the line, people that

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I've been able to meet and becamefriends with, and they allowed me to
talk with him in private. AndI so it's my it's just my subjective
opinion, but it's based on theconversation with many, many people over the
years that there is no hope tosave America or the human race. I

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was giving a lot. I wason a panel in Los Angeles about a
year ago and George Norriy was hostingit. And while we're up there,
I saw a man come in witha three piece suit. He looked government
the moment he walked in, andI watched him in the back of the
room, and just about the timewe were going to end the question and

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the answer period, he walked overto the other corner of the room.
I watched him walk over to theside so that when we come down off
the platform, we're facing him.And as I came down off the platform,
he looked at me and said,you yet come in, you come
in. So I walked over tohim and he opened his wallet. There's
a long, oblong wallet, andhanded it to me. He didn't say

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a word, he just hand methe wallet and I opened it up and
it was two badges from government,very impressive organizations in government. And I'm
not going to tell you what,but it's higher than CIA and two badges
and two id's and this heavy wallet. And he handed it to me and

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I looked at it for a fewmoments. I studied it for a few
moments and then I looked at him. I said, very impressive. He
says, reel And he said,I've been sent here. The government sends
me to all kinds of conferences justto listen to see what people know and
what they don't know, what they'retalking about. We just wanted to see
what's going on and taking a samplingof the channel. And he said,

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well, I was told particularly tolisten to you, and that's why I'm
here. He said, I wouldyou know. He told me some interesting
stuff. He said, one thingin particular I thought was very significant.
He said, my higher ups havetold me that they like what you do,

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but they don't have any problem whatyou do. They see you as
a good guy trying to help you, fellow man, so they don't I
don't think you're going to have anyproblem with government. They know who you
are, they know what you're tryingto do. They're just more interested to
see who's going to listen to you. It doesn't interest to see who's who's
smart enough to listen to you interesting. So with all you know and all

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you've been told, then the educationalvalue of what you're doing is being conceited
as being my feeling. It's justmy subjective opinion, but I think that
cosmically speaking, I don't think thereis any hope for the human race.
Why I didn't say not individuals,I'm not talking about individuals. I think

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individuals are being called out from themass, but I don't think the masses
have a chance in hell to getaway from what's coming. And the reason
why is because trying to change thehuman race and educate people today and the
kind of where we live in islike trying to empty the Pacific with a

(01:09:34):
cup, because you know, it'sa huge tsunami of ignorance and stupidity,
self centered, egotistical, know atall pompous, arrogant stupidity of the human
race that wants to hear nothing oftruth. All they are interested in is
important things that have to do withlife, like football, basketball and the

(01:09:58):
movie stars getting married and all thatsense. Oh as long as as long
as the human race loves to bedeceived by their masters, not realizing their
bodies are actually security on the NewYork Stock Exchange for the banking industry,

(01:10:20):
and the banks are not the powersof this world. It's the insurance companies
behind the banks. And the reasonwhy the insurance companies are behind the banks
is because of the fourteenth Amendment.And once you understand the fourteenth Amendment is
connection to insurance companies. The insurancecompanies connection to the banks, And you
understand that the government we got nowis not the same government we started with

(01:10:42):
in the seventeen seventy six. It'sa privately owned company. It's a private
corporation. Once you understand how thisstuff works in relation to religion, the
Catholic Church, the Jewish religion,Islam, and how it's all financially behind
the scenes, connected and the wholeworld is being played for a fool.
So I'm saying it's about time.I believe it's an idea whose time has

(01:11:03):
come for the whole human race towake up and find out we've been had
and the only real hope is individualsbeing called out to stand on your own
and start doing your own. Iwould suggest everyone should talk directly to the
Spirit, directly to God. Don'tgo through any religion or any man made

(01:11:27):
system. All you have to dois talk to the Spirit, and the
Spirit hears you, and then askthe Spirit. After you've talked to the
spirit and tell it what you want, and tell it what you need,
and you're talking to the spirit,then ask the Spirit to show me that
you've heard me, give me asign that you're hearing me, and watch
what happens. Yeah, more question. I was thinking about that line I

(01:11:51):
guess from the Bible that says whatprofit a man if he gained the entire
world but lose his soul or thekingdom of heaven. I started out wanting
to ask you what you thought ofthat, even if that concept in your
mind exists, but it's gotten alittle bit modified because you've drawn the distinction
between them and us, those whocreated us versus us. We're not them

(01:12:14):
they're not us. And essentially you'vesaid that those who rule us, who
you know, run the show,so to speak, are not really us,
aren't fully human, or they representthem. And I guess one of
the things that I was thinking,and I would love to hear your thoughts
about what profit a man? Butcan they spend our money? I mean,

(01:12:35):
I'm a little confused because if Iasked a question again, Well,
in other words, obviously the same. If they're people, we'll call them
people that started this, that createdus in their image, unless they live
forever, they're not around anymore.So maybe they're just observers from somewhere else
and they have intermediaries that are runningus for example. Yeah, very that's

(01:13:00):
what I think. What the UFOs, my opinion, is a lot of
not all of it, but alot of the UFO activity which is not
ours. And we've got a lotof the UFO stuff ourselves, the humans
there. But if there is anythingout that is not of human origins,
in which I think there is alot of, I think it's probably them,
and they are then there are probablyother entities out in the universe that

(01:13:24):
know about this situation here we've goton this Earth, and they're coming here
to see what the story is allabout too. I wouldn't be a bit
surprised that there are entities out therewho have heard of something going on on
this planet called Earth, and they'recoming down here to see what these creatures
are like. And they heard thatwe were created in the image and likeness
of the entities, and they're comingdown here to watch and see what's going

(01:13:46):
on because there are because they knowsomething else is getting ready to happen.
I think that there's wars going onbetween extraterrestrials as who owns us and who's
gonna do? You know, who'sgonna owns and so I wouldn't be a
bit surprised that that's what some ofthe UFO and alien stuff is. And
again, just help from other placesto see us and just for the fun

(01:14:08):
of it, because my question reallywasn't meant to be flip, but can
they spend our money? Own us? For what purpose? In other words,
if you own something, or youown a business, or you know
you own the product productive capacity ofsome person, it's it's for purpose.
So when I ask can they spendour money? I just I'm sort of
wondering do you think that it's abovethe physical realm, like, for example,

(01:14:30):
David, I suggest that it's negativeenergy. It is fear, it's
what they feed off. Yeah,I'm not sure how to answer that.
Okay, I just thought i'd askit. I'm not really sure how to
answer that, because I don't thinkI really understand the question. Probably go
on. Hello. In some ofthe Gnostic texts, you have the notion
that the creators plural or hideous,horrifying, you know, monsters from the

(01:14:56):
Abyss. Just from your reading ofthe Bible and the various interpret interpretations of
I've heard it said that you knowSatan. Shaytan the accuser was perhaps are
on our side, and Jahveh,the vengeful oppressor, was in fact Satan,
and you can flip it. Iwas just wondering what your thoughts.
Well, the Gnostics say that Yahweh, the Hebrew God, is Satan,

(01:15:19):
and that Yahweh is the demiurge,the dark force, Darth Vader. That's
what the Gnostics, the ancient Gnosticstaught that Yahweh, the God of the
Hebrews, was like Darth Vader,the evil one. And the Gnostics are
very important people and Gnarscissism is avery important religion. The Christians like to

(01:15:43):
put it down, but the Christiansput down anything that has anything to do
with reading and studying. But Ithink that there's a bigger story here.
The man I like to listen toon this subject, and there's quite a
few of them, but is JayWinder Winer is incredibly brilliant guy and fascinating
to listen to. And also hLloyd Pie. Lloyd Pie is extraordinarily good

(01:16:12):
on this subject of how the alienscreated us. Lloyd Pie is that you
need to know about Lloyd Pie andJay Winder. I think we're got have
to go there telling me we're through. Thank you again for being here.
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