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Speaker 3 (01:56):
Host Truth Beka. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Truth
Seca Podcast. I'm your host Truth Seca and we are
here for another exciting episode. I got an awesome guest
with me tonight. Before we get into the interview, I
got to say a quick thank you from the bottom
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So you guys are helping me pay the bills month
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the music and everything that I do. I want to
say a deep thank you for that because it totally helps.
Every little bit helps that you guys are doing. Some

(02:40):
of you guys may know that I just was fired
from my job that I worked at for eleven years,
employed and was let go for really no reason, but
something happened on the job and I'm not going to
go into detail, but it really was something that wasn't
my fault and was let go for animosity reasons. So anyway,

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they all know what I'm doing with the Truth Movement
and sticking my head out there and talking about some
of these subjects, and some coworkers know about what's going
on and stuff, and it really didn't look good. So anyway,
I was working there for eleven years, just got let go,
and I feel like it's the universe. I feel like
it's God calling me into full time ministry essentially getting

(03:26):
the message out there, doing my music full time and
moving into a place like a new season of doing this,
and I'm trusting God. I'm believing and things are happening.
So with that being said, a huge thank you from
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unreleased music, extra podcasts and things like that. So once again,
thank you God so much. It really means a lot, man,
and I'm excited about what's to come. So without further ado,
we have my good friend Jordan Maxwell. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Brother Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
If it wasn't for you, there wouldn't be many of
us doing what we do. And I've talked with you
some years ago. When I was hesitant to keep doing
music that talked about aliens and the occult and angels
and things like this, I was demonized. They my Christian
friends made fun of me. I caught hell. They called
me a devil worshipper, and I was going to give

(04:32):
it all up. I wanted to be accepted amongst my peers.
But then I had a phone call with Jordan Maxwell,
who encouraged me to keep the faith, keep doing what
I'm doing, and don't worry about pleasing anybody else, but
do what's true to me. So everybody who is fans
of my music and what I do, they wouldn't be

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true secret, they wouldn't be so many other people without
the likes of Jordan Maxwell Man, thank you so much
for being here.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Well, thank you, thank you, And just remember what the
scripture has to say about the New Testament story of Jesus.
He came to enlighten the world, and he ended up
because of his friends, and because of the situation, he
ended up being nailed to a cross, and he said,

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what they've done to me, they will do to you.
And if you were a part of what they are,
if you're a part of them, and you run with them,
and they will love you and you love them, and
everybody will be happy. But if you want to follow
what the real truth, just remember what they've done to me,
they will do to you.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
So story of our lives, right.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
That's it. That's the name of the tune, the war
between light and darkness. So you want to run with
your friends, and you want friends and to be accepted,
then just open your head and take your brain out
and continue to drink your beer and do your parties
and your skateboard and all the rest of them long

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since that children are into. But if you want to
grow up and look at the real world you really
live in, well you're going to pay a price. What
they've done to me, they will do to you.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
So that's true. That's the promises. So like when I
was in the Christian Church, they used to give us
Bible Promise books with all these awesome blessings that are
positive affirmations that the scriptures say about us. But the
promises are the persecutions. The promises are that all who
live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. Why aren't

(06:42):
the churches being persecuted. Yeah, but it's people like you
who are man.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
That's right. I mean, I've lost my wife, my family,
I've lost everything I own. I have enemies that steal
everything I own. I have people who belittle me and
public and marginalize my presence on earth and call me
names and belligerent condemnation. I've just opened up a can

(07:15):
of worms for myself. But on the other hand, there
are other important people in history who have come to
enlighten their fellow men and died as a pulper hiking
on across and so I understand it's it's you want

(07:37):
the name, you got the game. You want to go
with the flow and be like everybody else, and everybody
else is going to love you.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I can't tell you.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
And for truth, then just beware that you're going to
pay a price.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
I can't. I can't tell you. In the Christian circles,
like coming out of that mentioning your name, sharing your work,
which was so eye opening and amazing for me, we
got demonized just for being affiliated with you. We got
demonized for being affiliated with you. And when we mentioned
your name. Even now in the Christian circles, they still like,

(08:12):
oh my god, they don't see the connection. But for me, Jordan,
I see a connection with you with the person of Jesus.
I feel like that you resonate with Jesus. I don't
feel like you hate Christ or you're out to denounce Jesus.
I see you as one who's walking in the footsteps
of the Master. I don't see you as one who's

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out to persecute believers and things like this. I see
that we're on the same team.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, I all I am doing is what is what
I saw. The scriptures said that we should do. I
should confront evil and expose it and have nothing to
do with it.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
All right, I'm not sure what happened.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Okay, it's all right. Hold on, let me bring up
my volume again. Okay, I'm where I was before.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Okay, can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah? I could hear you.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Okay, all right, we should be good. I'll actually be
able to piece all this stuff together hopefully at the end.
And this was something that the last time I talked
to you, I was having problems with YouTube, that's where
we're streaming. I was having problems with YouTube. My channel
got pulled. And we're talking about when you share this
type of information, the truth, the true nature of reality,

(09:28):
and the truth spirituality. There, you get a target on
your back, even from the leftist people like YouTube, and
some of these people talk a little bit about that
I have my whole channel pulled with all this content.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Well that's you know, that's just prophecy being fulfilled.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
M hmm.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
I mean Jesus said that they had listened to me,
they would listen to you. Well, they didn't listen to him,
so they nailed him to a cross and spit on
him and beat him until they finally died. So he said,
what they will do to me, they will do to you.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
What is your relationship with Jesus? Once like, so, what
does Jesus mean to you? Spiritually?

Speaker 4 (10:15):
You're gonna have to turn your volume up. I can
barely barely hear you.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
What does Jesus mean to you?

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Jesus Jesus to me. And I've only been looking at
theology and religion for some fifty six years. I've traveled
the world and studied all over the world theology and religion,
and so I understand the story. But it's the story

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has been mistranslated and misunderstood from day one. And so
for me, I understand that Jesus was a metaphor, the
man himself ever lived in That is not important. It's

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what he said, it's what happened is a metaphor. It's
a symbolic story. And this is why the Bible is
called the greatest story ever told. It is the greatest
story ever told. Why Because it's the only story that's

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ever been told. The war between ignorance, evil, darkness, lies
and deception, or the truth and the light and the
truth in the light has never ever been loved by
the people remember that scripture in the New Testament where

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the governor of the Jodea can't remember exactly, but I'm
reminded off the top of my head that the great
ruler called all the people to get in the town
that brought everybody together, and he said, according to your custom,

(12:08):
I can release one prisoner each year. So today we
have Barebus on my left, who everybody knows is a
criminal and a thief and a liar, and that's why
he's in prison, because that's what he is as a criminal.
And then on may of right, I have Jesus of Nazareth.

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They're both prisoners. So according to your custom, I can
release one each year. So here they are, which one
do you want? And the scripture says with one voice,
there was no dissension. With one voice, the whole of
the people all together said give us baerebas. That's a

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symbolic story, what we call a metaphor simply stating something
very simple. When the world of mankind, you're a city,
your country, your town, your family, your church, When you
get all the people together and say here are the lies,

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deception and all the pretty things that people like to hear,
and here is the real truth, which one do you want? Well,
with one voice, everyone said, give us Barrabas, meaning it's
a symbolic story to tell you that when people are
confronted with lies, deception, that they've been asleep all their life,

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have no idea what's going on there. They're not ill,
and they're not informed. They're not spiritual. They're religious, but
they're not spiritual. So is al Kainda religious, but they're
not spiritual. And so when you finally you finally come
to the point where you are now faced with the question,

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do you want Barabbas, who you know is all liar,
not thief and a criminal, or do you want Jesus,
the truth and the light. Everybody will say no, give
us for Rebus. So that's telling you something. The people
of this world do not want to hear the truth.
They're not interested in truth. They're interested in their own

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particular religion. The Arabs don't care about the Jews. The
Jews don't care about Christians, and Christians don't care about anything.
All they know is they got the whole truth and
nothing but the truth, and everybody else can go to hell. Well,
that's the same thing al Qaeda says. That's the same
thing Icy says. That's where all of these religious biggest

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religious frauds. I mean, when you watch all of these shameful,
infantile TV preachers jumping around their stages and spitting and
throwing up and falling backwards and dancing in circles and
making millions of dollars off of the gullible, that's prophecy

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being fulfilled. Have you hear her in the last days?

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Have you ever had any run ins with some of
those guys back in the day, some of the televangelists
and big preachers.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Is the Pope Catholic? Boy?

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Have I ever any that you can recall any with
Benny hen or some of these guys.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
No, none of them, because none of those people won't
talk to me or even come near me. Why simple,
they know that I know. Yeah, they're not going to
bring the subject up to let me undraft them in public.
They're not about to No, thank you, We'll just say
Jordan ex will worship the devil and that's it.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Stay away from yep, because they know when people start
venturing over to some of the more or just asking
the bigger questions, let's just go with that, asking the
bigger questions because Jesus says that if you ask, you seek,
and you knock, he said that the door will be
open for you. So they don't want you to ask
the bigger questions about reality, about aliens, about spirituality, psychicabilities. Yeah,

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they want to keep it where they can control you.
It's very, very sad Cault. It's a cult. Christianity from
the fourth century on. From about three twenty five AD,
Christianity was codified into a religion, when before original Christianity

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was based on spirituality and spiritual and understanding of the
universe and of the dark sayings like the scripture says
that Jesus spoke in metaphors.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
It says without without what's the word that is used
without a metaphor? Jesus didn't speak. Yeah, the scripture says
that he's spoke in strange ways of saying understand it.
But when you now, when you look at religion and Christianity,

(17:07):
Judaism and Islam from about the fourth century, from about
three twenty five three three thirty AD till today, it's
all corporate business. We're talking money, sex, drugs, and rock
and roll. Business hasn't got anything to do with spirituality.

(17:31):
With a man named Jesus, or the pursuing of wisdom
and knowledge and understanding. And there's a scripture that talks
about the fact that children came to Jesus one day
and the apostle says, no, no, no, don't talk to
the Master, leave him alone. And Jesus said, no, unless
you come to me like that. They are children of

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the kingdom. That's a metaphor. It's a symbolic story saying
you are humble if you elect the Pharisees, and proud
and arrogant because you have the truth. You've got the truth,
and you've got the Caesar on your side, and all
the people love you, and they worship you and kiss
your ring and send you money. So but if you

(18:18):
elect the Pharisees, Jesus said, yeah, on the outside you
look holy and you sound very holy. But on the
inside there's nothing but a full of dead men's bones, demonics, depravity.
Why because by their fruits you shall know them. So
look at today's Christianity in America. It's so divided. All

(18:42):
Christian churches hate each other. Paul the Apostles said, you
should all speak in unity. No, no churches speaking unity
Jehovah's witnesses say Catholics are crazy. The Catholics say that
Jehovah's witnesses or the Mormons are crazy. And the Jews
who say the Arabs are evil, the Arabs Christians are evil.

(19:04):
Everybody is calling each other names, everybody hates each other.
Well by their fruits you shall know them. So as
far as I'm concerned, I would rather live my life
and suffer the consequences that the Great Teacher taught and know.

(19:24):
I don't suspect or think I know. And that's the difference.
The Church is not interested to hear people who have
themselves communication with spirit and understand them where they live
in the Church is not interested in that. The Church
wants you to know that they are the authority. They

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are the Pharisees and the Sadducees and the writers, and
they are the scribes, well scribes. The word scribe is
because they write scripture. Scribes writes, they scribble scripture. That's
where the word comes from. So the Pharisees and the

(20:07):
scribes were the scribes were the holy writers, people who
write holy books, and the Pharisees were lawyers. So today
that's the world we live in lawyers and churches and
corporations and the goofballs who think they're holy and they

(20:30):
write their holy books, hundreds and thousands of holy books.
And the people today, because of all the holy books
that have been written in Christianity, today, people don't know
what is going on. Christians haven't got the famous idea
and the world was this happening? Why? Because they got

(20:51):
six hundred thousand different holy books and all these wonderful
spiritual books you find in religious bookstores, but nobody cares
to hear the real truth. The bottom line is is
it's a religion. It has nothing to do with spirituality.

(21:12):
And basically, as a metaphor, religion is saying to God,
give us babus. We don't want to hear a truth
and the light nail hint to a cross. So by
their fruits you shall know them. We are all very religious,

(21:32):
and today we're looking at the end of civilization with lies, deception, bloodshed,
drug addiction, gang wars, corporate corporate criminality, children being raped
and murdered, women their marriages are breaking up. By their fruits,

(21:56):
you shall know them. Now. That's why Jesus and that's
why the scripture says come out of her my people.
If you don't want to suffer what's going to happen,
you better get out of her my people. He didn't say,
all of you Buddhists and Hindus you have better come out. No,

(22:16):
he said, come out of her my people. What is
her Babylon the Great? Yes, what is Babylon the Great?
Babylon represented religion, religion, corporate money, sex, power, kingship, all

(22:36):
the dirtiness of a human society that's Babylonian. Babylonian was
dirty from day one. And this is why if you
read the scriptures that come out of Babylon, like the
Babylonian Talbu and the Babylonian religions of Phoenician, Canaanite Samerians,

(22:57):
then you begin to see that the whole world is
lying in the power of the wicked one. The entire
world and those handful. You know, he didn't Jesus didn't
have forty six million followers. He only had twelve, and
those twelve died horrible death. So the metaphor or the

(23:21):
symbolic story is, if you are interested in the truth,
you're going to pay a price for what they have
done to the Master. They will do to you. And
now all of us said you begin to say, wow,
this is not this is not fun anymore. No, and
it's gonna get a lot less fun as you go on.

(23:43):
You've got to wake up and find out and the whole
world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Let me let me ask you that, Jodan, you say fun.
Has it been fun at all? Though? Like some of
the like the experiences that that that you've been privileged
to see, is it more of a burden or do
you well, are they precious to you at the same time?

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Oh? No, No. First of all, I have had extraordinary experiences,
spiritual experiences that are not and dark wirl. But they're
not called supernatural. That's an incorrect term. We've I grew
up hearing that that there was supernatural forces. No, supernatural

(24:25):
simply means it simply means it's natural, but it's very natural,
so it's supernatural. The correct term is preterime. Preternatural. Preternatural
means not of this world. It does not fit in
anything you know of reality. Yeah, it's preternatural, not from

(24:46):
this world. And so I have had all kinds of
preternatural experiences in my life. And I've had nothing but
heartache and tragedy and belligerency, and people try to destroy
my name, my life, my life's work, and my reputation.

(25:09):
Why because I want to know the truth. And the
real truth is is you don't want to know why
because you can't handle the truth. Why do you think
they put that kind of stuff in movies? You know?
So I understand now what's going on. And the country

(25:32):
of America has finished. It started off a long time
ago based on the concepts of Christianity. Look what Christianity
has allowed America to become today in all churches, in
all churches. And that's one of my big things I

(25:55):
talk about is words. Where do words come from? You
put an s in front of the word word, it
becomes sword. Once you begin to look at the etymology
of words and terms and concepts and phrases that are used,

(26:16):
you would be shocked to know how far down the
rabbit hole you really are. When you talk about going
to church. People have no idea in the world where
the word church really comes from. And when you find out,
and when you do the research like I have, because

(26:37):
you want to know, and when you find out what
the word church really means and where it actually came from.
Then you're not going to want to go to church.
And when you find out what Christ means, Jesus was
the Christ, but when you find out what the word
Christ means, you're not going to want to have anything

(26:59):
to do with it. Once you wake up and start
doing the research and the hard research of the etymology
of words in terms, you will begin to see religion
has destroyed the human family, and that's why all religions
in the world. Like the master teachers said, the whole

(27:21):
world is lying in the power of the wicked one.
He didn't say the whole world except Philadelphia, or the
whole world accept Mobile, Alabama. No, the whole world including
you period in the sentence. Well, that means then that

(27:45):
nothing in this world is going to help you to
understand God, because God is simply the word dull spell backwards.
It's just a business. So once you begin to see
what's really been going on all of your life and
you bought into it and never realize the real history

(28:07):
of the world and where you've actually come from and
where you're going, whether you like it or not, then
you will begin to see what Christianity was really like,
so wake up.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
It's a huge difference out of her my people. There's
a huge difference of the spirituality that Jesus practicing that
Paul preached versus what we have today. People like to
talk down on Paul and say that's religion. I don't
believe the Bible those things. But when we get into
some of the experiences that Paul had. This guy was

(28:45):
taking trips back and forth to Heaven, hearing the voices
of angels, being able to sense spirits in the spirit realm.
Talk a little bit about that, because I know you've
had some of those encounters as well, and they've saved
your life.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, and it's continual. I see it every day. I
see things happening because I have eyes. Like Jesus said,
do you have eyes of understanding? Because he said the
Master teachers said that you have eyes, but you do
not see. You have ears but you don't hear, and

(29:22):
with your heart you don't get the sense of it.
So you could go out and Babylon and babble all
you want about your religion, but you have eyes that
do not see, and you have ears that do not hear,
and with your heart you don't get the sense of it.
You don't know what's going on. You think you do,

(29:43):
But then we're told that Satan, the great opposer of
the truth in the world, is called the Prince of darkness.
Why is does Satan referred to as the Prince of darkness?
Because simply, when you're in the dark, you don't know
what you're doing. But if you sound asleep and you're

(30:06):
very tired, and you're dead tired, and you sound asleep,
someone slips into your bedroom quietly and flips on a
six hundred wat ball right next to your head when
you're sleeping, flips on a six hundred wat ball, it
startles you, and your first reaction is, I don't want
to see this. I can't deal with this. There's too

(30:27):
much light. Well, people who are filled with light, like
Jesus said that you are a lighted too the world.
But if you truly are a light, the world is
going to say, I don't want to hear this, this
is too much Why because he's too brilliant. Brilliant as
a word we're use in relation to intellectual and spiritual

(30:48):
enlightened munt So if you're truly enlightened with the spirit,
people are going to say, I don't want to hear it.
This is too bright for me. He's too bright to
see the truth. I don't want to hear the truth.
I'm perfectly happy being sound asleep because I trust my religion.
I trust my religious leaders, the scribes and the Pharisees

(31:12):
and miss Adducees, and I'm happy with them. And they
have the truth and they know everything there is to know,
and they love me, and I love them, and I
give them my money and they give me the bow,
and we're all very happy. And now you come along
and flip on a six hundred watt bulb in my
life when I was sound asleep. That's not funny. That's

(31:35):
not funny at all. You make enemies that way. Why
because you woke me up. I was sound asleep and
happy and delighted, and now you woke me up with light.
We don't want to light. Give us barabas. We're not
interested in truth, we're not interested in spirituality. Well, I
mean the scriptures are replete in all that kind of thinking,

(31:58):
telling you you thank your Holy If you think you
got the truth, well, one day you're going to die.
And when you do, on the other side, you're going
to find out son, you never had the truth. This
is why the scripture says that that Jesus said, get

(32:19):
away from me, you workers of lawlessness. You never knew me.
So when you die and you go before your creator
and say, oh, look at didn't I do this in
your name? And didn't I buy the church and I
paid money, and I give money to the church, and
I fed the poor. And the Bible says that the

(32:40):
Great Master Jesus said, I never knew you from day one.
I never knew you. You ain't never been in my
presence from the day you were born. So go back
with all of your friends and the church, because you

(33:01):
didn't hear me. I said, get out of her, my people.
But you didn't listen because you have eyes that don't see,
and the ears that don't hear, and our heart that
does not get the sense of what's going on here. So,
if Satan or if the devil is the god of

(33:23):
this world, than anything dealing in this world with your
friends in this world, with your job in this world,
with your position in this world, Satan is the god
of this world. Period end of sentence, Thank you and goodbye.
It's over. So if you are accepted by the world,

(33:46):
and you have a big congregation of thousands of people,
and you fly around in your jet with your boyfriends girlfriends. No,
that's true, and with your effeminate hair cuts and your
homosexual life all and you live in the lap of luxury.
You are having your price paid in full now, but

(34:08):
your ass is in trouble when you pass from this world.
But you're gonna find out. The scripture said all that
the nations worship are demons, devils and demons. Yes, so
what all the wars are.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
That's what. All the markings and the badges, they are
all sacrifices to the ancient gods of this world Moloch Bale.
All of these guys are still thriving off of the
worship and off of the bloodshed.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I know you mentioned the more we change, the more
we stay there saved.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I know you mentioned the bloodthirsty gods of the other
nations and stuff, and how everything is dealing with bloodshed
like all. Like it's so funny because when we talk
about Christianity, like a lot of people in the Truth
movement and the spiritual people, they like, I'm past Christianity,
I'm into you know, the Mayan religion and the Mayan culture.

(35:05):
But they don't look how like these people were doing
human sacrifices and just as nasty as as well. You know,
all the ancient nations would would sacrifice and offer blood
to their gods.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Of course, I mean the Mayans, the Aztects, they would
they would take a human sacrifice, remember a human sacrifice.
Take an ordinary man, and he would live good for
a year. The way it worked is that the sacrificial
lamb would live good for a year, everything would be,
he would live like a king. And then at the

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end of this time of being a king, he would
be laid down on a platform on a pyramid and
they would actually cut his heart out. That would cut
his chest open, reach in and pull his heart out
and offer it up to the God of the Sun,
the sun God. So and so the soul was referred

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to as the son of God. And so they were
given their heart to the Son of God. Like today,
I've given my heart to the Son of God. But
I prefer to give somebody else's heart.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
There you go, that might.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah, I prefer to keep my heart where it is.
It keeps me alive. If we're going to give somebody's
heart to God. Let's give your heart instead of mind.
So once you understand that this area of the body
where your heart is, and remember it's on the left
side and left in Latin, is sinister. So once you

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give your heart to God's Son, the light of the world.
Of course, the sun is the light of the world.
And once you give your heart to the God's Son,
the light of the world, he is your redeemer. He
said he would come back. He's your risen savior. That's
what the sun does. Every morning, it comes up, it returns,

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And just as you have seen him go away on
a cloud, he will come back on a cloud. That's
what the sun does. Air ahead. It goes away every
night on a cloud, and every morning, see if it
doesn't come back on a cloud. So the whole story
of Jesus has been put into a metaphor. And so

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today the world has bought the metaphor. So of the Arabs,
so have the Jews, so has the whole world is
lying in the power of the wicked one.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
So we some we have some questions coming through in
the chat room, and I want to make sure I
ask some of these. Some fans are here and They
want to know your opinion of Blovotsky because they know
you're a fan of her work, and what does her
work mean to you.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
I'm not a fan of Blavetsky, but when I am
in front of an audience and somebody brings her up, intellectually,
I know who she is. I've read her work, and
so I am bright enough to understand what she was saying,

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where she was from, her culture, and what she was doing.
Nobody said I loved her and I was following her,
But I'm not stupid. I know exactly what she was doing.
I know precisely what she was saying, and I understand it,
and so I'm just trying to be honest. Well, the

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last time anybody was honest, they got nailed to a cross.
So when I hear the word Blavetski, I first of
all understand she was not stupid. The scripture says that
the demonic world. There's a scripture very pertinent that says
those sons of this world are the sons of this

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world of world system are wiser than the children of light,
meaning the people who run this planet are far far
smarter than you will ever be. So if you think
you're going to do battle with the prince of darkness.
You better go back and do your homework because you

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don't have what it takes. You're not smart enough to
deal with the powers of darkness.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Do we do that? Like, if we can't do it
on our own strains, how do we deal it all?
Not at all?

Speaker 4 (39:41):
The very word faith today if you understand the word faith,
and Christians do not. They have never understood the word faith. Today,
Christianity talks about faith. I like what Rodney danger Feels
said about faith. He said faith, faith is that wonderful quality.

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These are not my words. This Rodney Dangerfield said many
years ago. Faith is that wonderful quality that allows you
to believe something that you know is bullshit. So when
you talk about faith, faith is sex. The word faith
has actually translated credulity, credulous, meaning that you believe something.

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That's why if you go to a new church, the
Christians in that church will say, are you a believer?
And we have books in Christianity talk about the believer's
House of Faith and the Believer's Book of Faith. Believer
believer means you don't know anything. You're ignorant, ill informed, unread,

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and downright stupid, and that's why you are crawling on
your knees trying to stay alive and are being left
at marked by the illuminati masters of this world, who
are laughing at you and mocking you and placing you
in a position of slavery. Why because you're stupid, You're ignorant,

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ill informed. You love the lies. You loved the lies,
the sex, the entertainment, the beer, You love your sports,
You love the world, and yet Jesus the Scripture said
the world was not worthy of him. So when you
are interested in talking about Blavatsky, then you better know

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who she was and what she was doing. So my
position on Blavatsky is very clear. I'm not a follower
of Blavatsky, but I'm intellectually aware that when somebody is
saying something, I don't care who they are if it's
the truth, and I know it's the truth because I've

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already proved it and I see it as truth. Them
their due. Bleavaski said many things which were absolutely flawlessly true.
It doesn't mean she loved the God. She loved God
and she was holy and righteous. No, nobody said that.

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I just said there were certain things she said which
are true, and intellectually I understand what she was saying
because I've read her work. But you give me any
day unnamed. I am intellectually interested to know what people
are doing. I want to know what they have said.
I want to know who's financing them. I want to

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know where they've come from. I want to know. And
the only way you're going to learn anything is if
you stop. What's the word pontificating, because you know I
think it was Isaac Asanov said, I know Plato. It
was Plato who said, I can understand when a child

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is afraid of the dark. What I can't understand are
adults who are afraid of the light. And that's why
today I understand what Blevtski was saying, and many things
she said were true. It doesn't mean she was from God,
it doesn't mean she was holy, and it doesn't mean
I'm following her, But intellectually I've read her and a

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lot of things she said were true. So if you
want to talk about Blevski, let's talk about Blevatsky, what
she said and what was absolutely true. So I am
not a follower of Blevtski. I'm not a follower of
anybody in this world. But I do admit when I

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see something which is true and someone says it, then
it was true that I don't mind admitting it. I'm
free and open know the truth, and it will set
you free. So I'm not afraid of offending God. I'm
afraid of being stupid and religious and bigoted and ill informed.

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Because why because propaganda does not deceive you. Propagand that
helps you to deceive yourself. So I asked a question
in my life. What was it that the Pharisees, the
Sadducees were doing that caused Jesus to rent and rave

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about them? What was it that they were doing that
caused Jesus to hate them so much? Well, first of all,
Sadducees was a religious order, and they were God's chosen people. Well,
that alone it turns me off to start with. And

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so second of all, the Pharisees were lawyers. Well, lawyers
have built the workless world you live in. They're only
interested in money and corruption and power. They don't give
a damn truth. And so these scribes, well, as I said,
the scribes read, they write scripture. And so the scribes

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write the scripture. They scribble scripture, and so these people
who write the holy books that you can that you
can find in any Christian bookstore, and all the Christian seminaries.
And you better look at that word seminary because it
comes from seminary. You better walk you out, you better
wake up. So once you begin to see what religion

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really is and where it's come from, then you look
at yourself, look at your personal life in this world,
and you tell me that you are highly intelligent and
filled with light because Jesus said, if you'll fill with light,
light from a hill, don't put a basket over it.

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Let the world see the light. If you are a
follower of the light, let the world see you. The
world is not interested to see the light. It will
sound asleep. That's why God says, get out of her,
my people, if you don't want to suffer with her.
Because all of these people are going to churches. They
love the Lord, and they loved their particular members of

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their church. They don't want to hear the real truth.
They're not interested, not your family, not your friends at work.
What they have done to me, they will do to you. Why,
because for the first time you are waking up to
the world that is in darkness. The entire world is

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lying in the power of the wicked one. Get it.
So once you see that Christianity is a metaphor, It's
a symbolic story that has been told from day one.
Christianity and the conceptual ideas expressed in Christianity go back

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tens of thousands of years, and all that we've been
told about and as growing up as Christians, all of
it was wrong. All of it was not true. None
of it was true, And that's right today. By their
fruits you shall know them. Look at the fruit of Joe,

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of your life, and the life of your friends, and
the life of your city, and the life of your country,
and the life of the world. Look at the life
we humans live. By their fruits, you shall know them.
We live in violence, drug addiction, gang wars, raping, sex, drugs, music,

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rock and roll, demonic depravity, and the Illuminati, masters of
organized crime are doing just fine. And real people who
care about spirit siritual things, they don't know what's going on.
So they have something they call faith. And it's that

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wonderful quality that allows you to believe something that you
know ain't true. So Christianity needs to understand what the
word faith actually means. If you go back to the
ancient Greek word faith and what it meant, it doesn't

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mean the same thing today at all. It's an incredible story.
Are you still there?

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Yes, I'm listening, joyed and I'm trying to get that
off phone not working as well.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Yeah, No, I just want to make sure we know
you're good. Well, we're still rolling today. People say they
have faith, faith means today you hope and you're praying
that God will do something for you, and you just
know that he will, and you just have faith that
he will, and you just just have hope that He

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will step in to do something for you. And so
we have faith. Now, that's credulity. That's hoping. I don't
hope about nothing. I know. There's a big difference between
hoping that something will happen and the Lord will do
something for me, and then when you wake up ninety

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six years old and find out you never knew nothing,
and Jesus said, I never knew you from day one. Well,
didn't I do this for you? And didn't I feed
the poor? And didn't I give you money? And Jesus said,
I never knew you period to get out from him

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my face. I never knew you. Why because you're not
a spiritual man, you're a religious So just because you've
killed a lot of Jews and you've now come to heaven,
you know there's no ninety, there's no seven, the two
virgins here, airhead. I never knew you at all. There's

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nothing holy about you. You're just one more that should
have got out, but you didn't. So what faith actually means?
Give you an idea of what the Greek word translated
faith actually means. To give you an example, is when
you get up in the morning, you stand up, when

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you get out of bed, you stand up, but you
did not look at the floor. You did not look
at the floor, And that's important because that's what the
word faith means. You got up and just knew that
the floor was going to be there, so you don't
even think about it. You just get up. But there

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could have been a hole there and you fell into it.
Could have been a lot of broken glass there, but
you didn't look. Could have been fell with nails and blades, etc.
Because you didn't look. You just got up and everything
goes fine the way it has always been. That's what
faith means. The correct understanding of faith is know the truth,

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and the truth will set you free. And all of
a sudden, when you give up everything in the world,
when you give up all your religious beliefs, all of
your bullshit that you're into, and you trust the Great
Spirit to guide you, and you ask for help from
the divine world, from the world of God, you ask

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God for guidance, then all you have to do is
just get up in the morning and just go do
whatever you do, and just realize that no matter what
you do, someone is watching you and will guide you.
And for some reason, all of a sudden, you just
kind of know what to do and be in the

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right place at the right time. And somebody else got killed,
and then you just happen to be in a car
going this way when something happened that way. All of
a sudden, you begin to see your life is kind
of protected, and you're beginning to find things that you
didn't know existed. When they're evil and something happens, you

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happen by chance to just be there and just gone.
That's because you are now having faith, meaning you just
go about your life. You got up in the morning,
it didn't even look, but there was a floor there.
Why because the floor has always been there, so you
don't question if it's going to be there. Well, the

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same thing with God, the great Spirit has always been
there and it will always be there. It's just you
don't know what's going on. So you give yourself over
to the spirit world, give yourself over to God, so
to speak, and then watch what happens to you. All

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of a sudden you start learning things ever knew before
you started meeting people that were enlightening you. Because when
the student is ready, the teacher will appear. You ask,
knock and it will be open. And seek and you
will fine. Ask and it will be given. It's not

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something you go out and read in a book with
all your holy books and the Christian bookstore, ask and
it will be given. So seek and you will find,
ask and it will be given. So if you don't
go out and do your homework and find out what
you're really doing, then you're just following the prince of darkness.

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And so when the day comes for you to die,
just remember, if there is a God on the other
side that's going to judge you, you're gonna look like
a dope and you're going to stand before the divine
presence in the univers and say, well, I don't know.
I thought I was doing right. I give money to
the church, and I went to church every Sunday, and

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I used to go every night and talk to the
preacher and give them money. And I did the best
I could. And Jesus will say, I never knew you.
They never been a day you and He ever had
a relationship. Ever, you're out of here. Why because you're
just a highly religious person who was a fool. You

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bought into what the whole world bought into. You bought
it too. Why because you're too proud and arrogant and
self centered, egotistical, know it all pampas and arrogant like
the scribes and the Pharisees. You didn't come to me
as a little child, open to hear the truth and

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wishing to follow the truth and the light. That's not you, You arrogant,
ill informed, ignorant, And now you before me, get out
of my face. I never knew you.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
People don't wake up. People hear you saying that, Jordan,
and it sounds really harsh, but they don't know the
messages you've got. The death threats. The people come in
to visit you and secretly filming you and doing YouTube
videos and stuff like that. So I think we got
to look at it in context. I've seen the people
try to get rich off of your name, and where

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those like mental patients who have videos of you and
crazy stuff, they don't know.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
I have a character flaw. I have two major character
flaws that have caused me nothing but heartache. But I
admit them. They're my personal character flaws. One is I
try and be honest. And the scripture says in the
New Testament, don't give pearls to swine. Don't give pearls

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to swine because they will turn around and use it
on you. So, you know, people say, oh, I love
that preacher because he's so honest. He's not honest. He's gay,
he's mentally deranging. He's got a twenty five million dollar jet.
Hey man, I mean he lives He lives on millions
of dollars and pays one hundred thousand dollars for a

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mobile home so his dog can have air conditioning. There's
nothing truthful about him. And then every now and then
you'll find out one of these holy rollers and one
of the people who love the lord, and we find
out their criminals. They got all their boyfriends and all
the money, and now they're involved with the mafia and
they're involved with organized crime. You have no idea and

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the world, what's really going on in the world you
live in. You bought into it.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
And therefore, have some callers on the line, and I
don't think you'll be able to hear them, just because
the way we got the phones patch. But I'll let
them ask the question and then I'll relate it back
to you. We try to do that. So if you
guys are listening on the phone line and you want
to ask your question, have the question ready. Jordan won't
be able to hear you, but I will ask him
the question. So believe we have a caller from northwest Arkansas,

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if you can have your question ready and we'll go
with it. Caller who we're speaking with in Arkansas, south
central Colorado?

Speaker 5 (57:27):
Hey, can you hear me?

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Yeah? What's up? Who's speaking with?

Speaker 6 (57:31):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
What's up? Man's yes, Maddy?

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yeah, what's up?

Speaker 5 (57:37):
Man?

Speaker 3 (57:37):
How's it going, Bro?

Speaker 7 (57:38):
It's a pleasure to be on the show.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Yeah, no doubt. Jordan can't hear you. But if you
let me know the question. I'll ask him right quick
and you can listen online.

Speaker 7 (57:46):
Yeah, no worries. So basically my question, asides from religion wise,
I think one of the biggest tools that elite, the
illuminati of this world have against us is using fear
is a paradigm of controlling us and believing that we
are too stupid to get beyond this problem. And one

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of the biggest tools we can use against things is love.
Love destroys fear. It destroys hate, and they have taken
that away from us.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Okay, so what do you want to ask.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
I basically want to ask him what he thinks about
Donald Trump's divide and conquer between the people. I personally
think that one of Donald Trump's biggest things he's done
to the people is divide and conquered him further and
use fear to get us all controlled.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Okay, all right, Maddie, I will ask him that and
you can listen on hold. All right. So it's pretty
much a two part question. First of all, Donald Trump,
divide and conquer? What's going on with Donald Trump?

Speaker 4 (59:04):
First of all, I don't care about the mundane world
I live in, so I don't care who Caesar is
today and who the great leaders of the world are today.
I don't care about that. I'm smart enough to know
that we live in a system. And the Scripture very

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clearly says over and over that Satan is the god
of this world. Period, end of sentence. Nothing to discuss therefore,
whatever happens on a national or international scale, and politics,

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politics is simply a system by which men have put
together institutions that we call the police department, the sheriff,
insurance companies and banks, educational colleges and universities, government and
laws and money, and all of these are man made systems.

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And if you don't understand all of them and understand
how they interconnect, then you're going to be worried sick
over who's the president and what's he going to do?
And what's going to happen to us at the end
of the world, and is Russia going to attack us?
And the scripture says, you're going to hear all of
these words and all these things about wars here and

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wars there, and you're going to hear about the preachers
and all the clergy, and all the holy rulers and
all the imbecilic morons who are going to church and
preaching all the ridiculous, stupid stories. Why that keeps you agitated,
That keeps you concerned and worried. And the reason we

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know that it works is because today, if we confront
you with actual facts of life, you have no idea
what we're talking about. Why, because you're so concerned about
the president or the vice president, or what this senator did,
or what China's going to do. I'm more concerned what

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God's going to do. I don't care about the American system.
I don't care about the Chinese system. I care about
truth and who we really are, all of us, including China,
the Russians, the Africans, and we ourselves in America, all mankind.

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The Scripture says, lies in the power of the wicked one.
So the reason why you're concerned about government and concerned
about the president and who they really are, what they're
really doing, is because that's who you are. You're a
child of this world. I'm not a child of this world.

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I did not come here to be a child of
the world I live in. Yeah, I came because I
have something to do. I'm a teacher.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I think that's Jesus one oh one, my kingdom is
not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight.
And his kingdom is not of this world. Donald Trump
would not be the president of Jesus or Caesar. You
know what I'm saying. He didn't bow to Caesar, so
his kingdom was not of this world. And if you
are a child of light, you would not concern yourself

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in the affairs of poly tricks. Get caught up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
I didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Scripture says that exactly, exactly, one on one. Jordan's just
repeating what Jesus said, y'all. I mean, come on, he's
just saying the same thing Jesus said. It's awesome, man,
I love it. All right. So we got another caller
who I guess he couldn't hear a while ago. So
we'll go back to Arkansas. I believe this is Hunter.
You got a question, Hunter?

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Yeah, how do today? Truth?

Speaker 7 (01:03:01):
Doing all right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
I'm well, brother, how are you?

Speaker 6 (01:03:05):
I'm good? So kind of a two parter. First off,
I want to ask Jordans what is it is about aliens?
And you're evoking all that? If he kind of an
if he does believe like they exist and all that,
if they only if they have only certain forms. They
come in different forms, because.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Okay, let's start, let stop, let's start, let's stop there.
I'll go ahead and ask him this, all right, Jordan, Aliens, UFOs, entities?
Are they real? And do they come in many shapes
and forms?

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Aliens? Are they real? You ask a six year old
Christian child do you believe in God? Well, everyone believes
in God. All Christians believe in God. Well, God is
simply the word dog spell backwards. So what you need

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to do when you're talking about aliens or spirits or
UFOs or anything, is to describe your terms when you
say God. What do you mean by God when you
say aliens? What in your mind are you thinking when
you say the word alien? Because what I have in

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my mind might be different. So we're talking about apples
and oranges maybe, So you need to define your terms
when we talk about aliens. As I said, you can
ask a six year old Christian child where is God? God?
Is God from here? Is he from Alabama or from

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New York? Or where does he live? Well? A child
will lead them. A child will say God's up there,
He's out there. Well, yeah, but if he's out there
in California is one area of the sky. But if
he's a China and he says he's out there, that
means he's out there in space. So out there simply

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means not from this world. God is preternatural, not of
this world. So therefore, if he's out there, that means
he's extraterrestrial. He's not from here, because if he was
born in Alabama, born in Mississippi, then he would be terrestrial.
He's from here. He's not from here. He created here,

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but he's not from here. And so you need to
understand that when you say extraterrestrials, it's the same idea
that has talked about in the scriptures about demons and
angels and devils. Do you believe in God? Yes? Where
is he? He's out there? Oh, he's extraterrestrial. Yes. Do

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you believe in angels? Yes? And where do angels reside?
Where are they? Oh? They're out there with God. Oh
they're extraterrestrial too, they're not from here. No, So we
always see angels are out there or that are the intelligent?

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Oh yeah, they're lots more than we are. Yep, well,
of course they are. That's why they're not here. People
used to people used to say to me all the time,
and I still get it. People will say, if they
are extraterrestrials, why don't they come down here and show
themselves and talk to us and communicate with us, to

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which I always say, Look at I'm human like you are,
and I'm ashamed to be seen with you in company.
You SA damn stupid, so I don't want to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Well, look at Genesis when they came down, Genesis eighteen
and nineteen, which I know you love those chapters. They
came down, and what did the people try to do
to the angels?

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
That's right. They tried to rape, sex with them, have
sex with them, I ultimately kill them, or are important
to hold homeland security, or go get your shotgun and
kill them, or capture one and sell him to the
circus or something, you know. And that's right, and that's
why the spirit entities who come down. Look at let's

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go back to square one. The Bible we know today,
the King James Bible is accepted by Christianity as a
very legitimate scriptures, but it has over five thousand and
five hundred and eighty typographical errors, which does not include
all of the translational errors. So let's go back to

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square one to understand God and the angels and the extraterrestrials.
Go back and look at it for what it says.
First of all, in Genesis one one is mistranslated. Why
because the King James translators were very good with the
King's English, but they didn't know pot about Hebrew or

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Sumerian Babylonian scripture. They didn't know those ancient terms and
words that came out of the ancient Middle East from
tens of thousands of years ago. They were great with
the King's English, but poor with Hebrew and even less
with Greek. But they did the best they could, and

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they were very good, but they didn't they weren't perfect.
So go back to the book of Genesis, because it
comes from the word generate the beginning. This is what
was genesis or degenerated truth, and Genesis one one is
mistranslated and has caused so much trouble to Christians all

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of the Christian life because people didn't know it was
mistranslated as an English. In the beginning, God created the
heavens and the earth. But that's not what it says
in the Phoenician language. Or in the Hebrew we call
the Phoenician language Hebrew. No, there is no Hebrew language.

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There are Hebrews who speak Phoenician. So, if you want
to be technically correct, Hebrew is a Phoenician language, which
gives us our word Phoenicia or phony. Phony comes from Phoenician.
And so once you understand that the original scriptures were

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written in Phoenician and the Hebrews speak Phoenician, but we
call it Hebrew. No, Hebrews speak it, but it's not
a Hebrew. It's like in America. Here in America we
speak American. No, it's not American. It's you are American,

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but you speak English. Well, they are Hebrew, but they
speak Phoenician. It's a Canaanite religion. It's a Canaanite culture,
it's a Canaanite language. So go back to Genesis one
one and it says in the beginning God created the
happens in the earth. No, it doesn't say that in

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the ancient Hebrew or in the Phoenician language. Why because
in the ancient languages what we call Hebrew God is
spelled e l l is God. But if you go
back to the original so called Hebrew and look at
what it says in Genesis one one. You will see

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it does not say in the beginning l created that
happens in the earth. Well what does it say? Well,
if you just bother to read it, if you have
the time, you might want to do some research on it,
like Jordan Maxwell has only been doing this for fifty
six years. Go back and look at the Hebrew in

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Genesis one to one, and it says in the beginning,
Alohim created the heavens in the earth, not l Elohim,
which is a totally different word. Well, what does that mean?
That means God? No, it does not, it's e l Lohim.
L Lohim. Lahim simply is a plural. So it's like

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taking the word car cr and adding apostrophe s totally different.
Now it's not car, now it's cars more than one.
So now you see that l Lohim is God's more
than one. I didn't write the Bible. I'm just telling
you what it says in Hebrew. So in the beginning,

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l Lohim created the heavens in the earth. A correct
translation is in the beginning, the gods created the heavens
and the earth. Well, that's blessheming. No, that's truth. Wake up,
get us go back to school and learn how to

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read and learn how to think, because schools will teach
you what to think, but they don't teach you how
to think. So get rid of all of your religious
ideas and all the things your great grandmother and grandmother
and all your friends at the church taught you and
what they believe, and do something you've never done before.

(01:12:37):
Do something really interesting and strange. Get an education, learn
how to read, and start thinking for yourself. What does
the scripture actually say. It doesn't say God created the
heavens and the earth. They said the gods created the
heavens and the earth. Well, that begins to make a

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little more sense when you see in Genesis one twenty
eight where it says God is creating Adam and Eve
and not God. The gods are creating Adam and Eve
and the gods collectively. They said, quote, come, let us

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make man and our image and our likeness end quote.
Many years ago, back in the early sixties, I remember
talking with rabbis, and the very important rabbi in America,
and he and I had conversations about this, and fifty
six years ago and I said to him Elohim, and

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he said, yes, means many gods. Yes, it means many gods. Well,
then you're saying in the beginning the gods made the
heavens and the year. That's correct according to the language.
And then we see that the gods, we say, and
the rabbi told me that sixty years ago. The scripture

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does not say that God created man. There is no
place in the Bible, in the scriptures, in the in
the Old Testament that says God created man. It doesn't
say that. That's your idea, that's your religion. You're all
kier ignorance. But that's not what the scripture says. Well,

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then what does at say. It says that the gods
more than one said, come let us make man. Well,
there it is. It said the gods made man. No,
that's not what it's saying. Read it correctly. The scripture
says the gods said, come, let us lose us. God's

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talking to himself. No, the gods are talking to themselves,
and they say, come, let us make man in our
image after our likeness, because he's already here, but let's come,
let us make him an our image and in our image,

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and likeness, Let's make him look like us. So therefore
we say, well God, in Genesi is eighteen, along with
many other scriptures, God comes walking up with two men,
and Abraham runs out and lays down and says, what
is my Lord saying to his servant? And then you

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find out that that Abraham is talking to the almighty Creator. Yeah,
but he looks like a human. As a matter of fact,
he said, under the tree and had a hamburger to
beer with you. He had dinner with you. So is
that God? It says God had him in the cool
of the evening and he talked with him. So once

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you see that, what the scripture is saying is that
God looks like us. No, not really, we looked like him.
He looked like what he looked like to start with.
But you have now been made into the image and

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likeness of God. So we're God's children. We're the children
of God. Why because you were at the end of
Thal like cave dwelling animal of some kind millions of
years ago, and somebody came from out there. Well, that's

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where God is, that's where the angels are. And so
somebody came from out there and came to the earth
and saw us, and we're nothing more than just a
hybrid animal that science today calls a hominid. We were
some kind of a strange, upright walking bipedal creature that

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walked up and you know, looked like us a little bit.
But they were hairy and stupid. And we call them
cavemen or Neanderthals or whatever you want to call these creatures.
Thousands and thousands of years ago, tens of thousands of
years ago. And so somebody came here and saw these

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whatever you want to call them, these hormited creatures, and said, hmm, come,
let us make man at our image after our likeness.
Let's cross breed and take some seminary and put it
into the and put it into the female creature, just

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for the hell of it, and let's see what she
gives birth to. And so she gave birth to later on,
something that was a cross between the horminid creatures that
were already here for millions of years and some new creation.
But it was just an experiment. It wasn't perfect, because

(01:18:10):
who came here. They weren't perfect. They're just smarter than
you are. And so they created a new creature. It
still wasn't until their liking, because it didn't look and
act like them completely. So they work with it again
and recreate it with DNA and put it into that
dominated creature, and eventually it came a different kind of creature,

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a little bit better. And you keep doing that until
one day the gods, as they look and they act
and they think, and they pro create with the female
that they find here, eventually their par equal. And now
what happens. We now look like the God who created us.

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And so you say, well, yeah, but there were extraterrestrials
that look like us. Of course they are extraterrestrials that
look like you. That's what the scripture says. They said,
the God said, come, let us make man in our
image after our likeness, not make man. Man's already here.

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So then you get you now see that we are
made in the image and likeness of the gods. This
is why in the Ten and the Ten Commandments, God
says to the Israelites. One of the commandments is I
am the Lord your God. You shall not have strange gods.
Before me go back and read it correctly. It's not

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saying I am the only god in the world. No,
I am the Lord, God, your God. There are lots
of other gods and lots of other people around, crazy people. There.
You got the al Qaedas and they love yahwah Allah
or whoever they are, some moon God. You've got all

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kinds of strange creatures out here worshiping all kinds of gods.
And we know what they're doing because all of us
are here watching. All the gods are all watching what
these humans are doing. And I got over here. He's
got people they call Jehovah's witnesses and they're worshiping him,
and this other guy none of us like. But he's
got a bunch of over here called Mormons and they're

(01:20:28):
worshiping him. And then we've got some other really goofy
ones among us, and they've got something called al Qaeda
and they're worshiping Allah. And all of us gods are
just laughing at the humans because the humans doesn't know
what they're doing. So to the Israelites, God says, I
am the Lord, your God, and I will not have

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strange gods before me. That's the same thing a guy
is telling a girl that he's going to study with
the man in your life. Yes, there are other far
better men out there, far smarter, far wealthy era and
all they could do, all wonderful things. But I'm the

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man in your life, and I won't have you having
other men in your life. We're going steady and getting married.
So I am the Lord, God, your God. So therefore
we understand the Hebrews were not a mono theistic people.
We say the Hebrews were the first worshippers of one God. No,

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the word is not mano. Mano means the worshiper of
one God. No, the word correctly is he know, go
look it up in a dictionary. It's spelled h e
n O. He know theistic, He know theistic is not

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mono theistic. He know theistic means to pick one out
of a group. So if you got fourteen gods, all
of them are equal. But I particularly like the way
you dress and the way you talk, so I want
to be with you and then you as the God says,

(01:22:16):
all right, I am the Lord your God. I don't
care about the rest of these guys. But from here
on out, I don't want to see you talking to
any of these other gods and calling them and asking
Him for anything. Because we have a contract you pointed
to me, and I accepted. So now you are my people,

(01:22:37):
and I am the Lord your God. Not I am
the one God. Now I'm the one you picked god.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Is he the one true God, as he claims.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
The one true God, which means the one that you
truly picked. That doesn't mean he's a true God. No, No,
he's the one true one that you picked. And people
will say, well, what about this god is your God? No,
that's not true. That's the one I picked. Oh, and
then he's the true God. That's right, he's the true God,

(01:23:16):
the one you picked. Not then, so he didn't pick you.
You picked him, all right. So then you say, oh, well,
if that means there are many gods, No, that's what
the apostle Paul said. There were many gods and many lords.
You better wake up and find out which one you're worshiping.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Air ahead, we got one last call. I'm gonna try
to get to this call caller in Indiana who's speaking
with all right, Hey, how are you? Who's speaking with.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
A true secret?

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
This is Kathy?

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Hey, Kathy, how you doing.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
And doing good? I have two questions, okay, and one
is about uh a nag? Well, it's about the hidden scriptures. H.
That's been they were buried, you know, yes, yes, about

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Sophia And from what I've gathered, from what I've studied
about them, U, it makes a lot of sense. And
they were hidden, and you know, I don't know if
you've studied them at all. I was wondering if Jordan
had uh studied them at all.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Okay, let me ask him that your opinion on the
nag Hamdi scriptures.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
Yeah, before, just before the Dead Sea scrolls were fouln
I think it was just before and i' bean very
just before in the little town in Egypt. Uh. Dead

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Sea scrolls were found in the Middle East. But in Egypt,
there was a little town called naj Hamati, and some
people were messing around in caves and wandering around looking
for something and looking for something to buy or sell
or whatever, and they found some scriptures in a container

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and they dug it up and they started bringing these
scriptures to the authorities that they found. And so they
found them in a little town in Egypt called naj Hamati,
and so they became known as the naj Hamandi Manuscripts
or the naj Hamadi Library. And so there was scriptures

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in Egypt, and those scriptures talked about Jesus, but the
Jess they were talking about, and we know when they
were We have an approximate date when the naj Hahmadi
manuscripts were written, and they would have been written easily
hundreds of years before Jesus the Christ appeared on the earth,

(01:26:16):
hundreds of years before. We found scriptures in Egypt in
a little town called naj Hamaney that talked about Jesus
and Jesus did this, and Jesus did that, and then
this happened to Jesus and Jesus said this and that.
But the Church doesn't want to talk about that. How
come there's scriptures hundreds of years before Jesus found in

(01:26:38):
Egypt called naj Hamai, but you don't talk about that.
What's going on here? How come Jesus is being talked
about in scripture and naj Hamani Egypt that you didn't
tell us about. As a matter of fact, you didn't
mention that there was Dead Sea scrolls either, did you?

(01:26:58):
And what's really in them? And that's why you will
not allow us to look at the Dead Sea scrolls
because of what's actually in them. Well, today, we finally
have the Dead Sea Scrolls in English, and we have
the naj Hamighty Manuscripts in English, but the Church doesn't
talk about them because not because they're not important, it's

(01:27:22):
because they don't fit. The things which are said in
the in the naj how Mighty Manuscripts and which are
said in the Dead Sea Scrolls don't fit what the
Church has been telling us. Get it. So therefore the
Church decides, we don't want to touch what. We don't
want to talk about the naj Hamighty pagantry. We don't

(01:27:44):
want to talk about it. I'll bet you don't. I'll
bet you don't want to talk about it because if
you go back and read the Najmighty Manuscripts talking about
Jesus and then figure out that two hundred years years later,
Christianity has a has a story about a man named Jesus. No, no,

(01:28:08):
it's even earlier. So that's why I'm just saying you
need to do some homework before you go believing anything.
You need to know. Don't believe. Just know when you
get up in the morning, you put your feet on
the floor without even looking. Just talk to the Great Spirit.

(01:28:30):
You know you don't have to go through no rituals
and burn candles and fall all over yourself and and
beuch and fall on your on the on the floor
and act like a fool like the TV evangelist. A
true spiritual man communicates with his creator spiritually, like Jesus said,

(01:28:54):
go into your inner room, shut the door, turn up
the TV. You don't know what God is, but he's
damn sure not on TV. So turn off the TV,
turn off your radio, turn off everything, and go into
your interchambers and shut the door and talk to God.

(01:29:14):
Very simple, because he's been there all the time. You
just didn't know it. He's been watching you playing the
fool all your life, and you think he doesn't hear you,
Like the apostle Paul says, the one who made the ear,
can he not hear the one who made the eye?
Can he not see? Well, if God can hear you

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and see you win from day one, that's why when
you die and you say, well, didn't I do this
in your name? And didn't I do it? No, I've
been watching you, airhead for years. I watched you when
you were born. And let me tell you something, son,
you and I never had a relationship. You got your religion,

(01:29:58):
but you never stood up for truth. You went along
with all your friends when I told you get out
of her my people. But you just keep going to
your church and believe in whatever it is you've been told.
And you're being told by people who do not have
brains enough to find their way out of a paper bag.

(01:30:19):
They're just like you. Like Jesus said, they have formed
speakers for themselves. They have formed teachers for themselves. Yeah.
Here today, in order to be a Christian preacher and
a teacher, you have to go to college and get
a degree from Caesar. What does that mean? You've got

(01:30:40):
to go to a seminary to get a degree from
the government. Ah. So when you begin to wake up
and find out you don't need a degree, I don't
need you to pat me on the back and tell
me how how nice I am and what I'm doing.

(01:31:02):
My God has given me what I have, and therefore
I don't need a degree. I came in with a
good mind to start with. Let me give you an
example what I'm talking about. When I was like eight
or nine years old, I was born and raised, unfortunately
into a Catholic family. I never knew what Catholicism was

(01:31:27):
I used to put alca cells in the holy water
because I never realized I didn't understand what's going on.
They go to this big place called church and they
tell me all kinds of strange stuff, and I don't
know what they're talking about. It doesn't make any sense
to me. Well, I was in Canfolic school. I was
about eight or nine years old, and the nuns the

(01:31:49):
word none and you and is a fish in Hebrew.
So the nuns that would tell us in school the
day of the day before we were going to be confirmed.
It's called confirmation. And so the nuns in the school

(01:32:09):
told us that tomorrow night at church, there's going to
be a special church meeting and you're going to be confirmed.
It's called confirmation, and you children are going to be
in church and the bishop will be here and the
bishop will ask after the service is over. The nuns

(01:32:30):
told us the bishop might maybe not, but he possibly
may ask you children if you have any questions, and
he will try and answer them for you as your bishop.
And so if that happens, the nuns said, if that
happens and he asked you, just remember you do not
have any questions you keep your mouth shut. You don't

(01:32:54):
have any questions. We'll tell you what you need to know,
and we'll tell you what you need to believe. You
don't have any questions. Get it. So the next night,
after the service was over, and all the girls said
on one side of the church, and the boys said
on the other. And the bishop was there. And after
the service was over, and we're all confirmed at eight

(01:33:17):
years old. The bishop said, now that you're all confirmed Catholic,
while I'm here, I possibly could answer some of your
questions because your children and if you have some questions
about your faith, I will try and answer them. Well,
all the kids knew you don't have any questions. Stupid,

(01:33:38):
keep your mouth shut. So I stood up. I wanted
to make sure that people in the church knew who
I am. So I stood up and I said, yes,
I have a question. I said, my father works with
torches like a welder. If I had a torch and
it was on fire, and if there's an angel stay

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next to me and I'm talking to this angel with
a torch, could I hit him with the torch and
would it hurt him? Would I burn him and hurt him?
If he's standing here and I'm talking to an angel
and I hit him with the torch. Would that hurt him?
And he said, well no, And I said why and

(01:34:21):
he said, well, because fire is And I remember him
saying something to the e fact that fire is a
natural phenomena. It's something you have to have wood or
plastic or paper or something to burn. It's a natural phenomena.
You can't burn an angel. And I said, why can't
you burn an angel? And he said, because you can't

(01:34:42):
even see an angel. There's nothing physical there. It's a
spirit entity. You can't even see an angel, much less
burn one. And I said, why can't you burn a spirit?
And he said, because it's nothing there to burn. You
can't burn an angel. You can't burn a spirit. And

(01:35:03):
I said, as a nine year old, well, if I
can't burn a spirit, why am I concerned about going
to hell? Will my spirit will burn forever? If you
can't burn a spirit? And nobody see you to have
ever thought about that? A little nine year old kid,
and everybody in the church you could hear and feel it.

(01:35:24):
The church would say, WHOA, what was that all about?
I never thought about that. Well, of course you haven't
thought about that. I thought about that, not you. Why
because I came here to be a teacher. I wasn't
born because I just happened to have been born. No,

(01:35:47):
I was born to be who I am, a teacher,
And I caused you to think. And I'm bringing light
to you. And if you can't handle a little, you
don't want to hear the truth. I understand you don't,
but I do. I understand you can't handle the truth.

(01:36:10):
So when you go back and look at the scriptures,
it doesn't say God created the heavens and near the gods,
and then the gods, more than one plural, said come
let us who's us? Well, come let us make man
in our image after our likeness. Here's another point. And

(01:36:32):
Genesis is nine one, and Genesis is nine one. I
think it's nine to one. Could be six to one,
but I think it's nine to one. Where the scriptures
says in Genesis after the flood, the flood of Noah's day,
after the flood has succeeded and the and the arc

(01:36:53):
came to rest on land, God says to Noah and
his three sons and the three wives, that's eight people.
Noah and his wife and his three sons, and three wives.
There are eight people who went through the flood. And
the scripture says that God said, go forth, multiply and

(01:37:17):
replenish the earth. So I called the rabbis many years
ago when I was in my teens, and went to
the synagogues and sat and talked with them. And this
is sixty five years ago. I'm seventy seven now, almost
seventy seven now. And I asked them, is that a

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correct translation of your language? In Genesis nine to one,
where God says to Noah, go forth, multiply and replenish
the earth, is that what it actually says a Hebrew
And he said, yes, that's a correct translation. And I
said to him, in my late teens, I said, the

(01:38:01):
word is replenish, go forth, multiply and replenish. Re means
do it again. And the rabbi said, well, of course,
if God had millions of people on the earth and
he decided that they're worthless and he wants to get
rid of them, so he creates a flood and is
all over it and it kills everybody except eight people. Well,

(01:38:25):
if God wants people like him that he created, his
image and his likeness, then of course the word would
be to replenish the earth. Go forth and do it again,
all the ones that were here before I got rid
of them. So go forth and replenish the earth. I said, fine.

(01:38:45):
Now let me ask you something. In Genesis one twenty eight,
when God is creating Adam and Eve, he says the
same thing, go forth, multiply and replenish the earth. What
does that mean that Adam and Eve were to replenish
the earth? And the Rabbi said, of course, the Bible

(01:39:07):
is only talking about our pacific time in our life,
and the earth in this particular dispensation of time. There
have been highly intelligent civilizations on this earth for millions
and millions of years. But we never told you that,

(01:39:28):
did we. The Government's never told you that we've had high, incredibly,
profoundly technologically advanced societies on this earth hundreds of millions
of years ago, and you're not supposed to know nothing
about that. So God is saying for our time to

(01:39:54):
Adam and Eve, go forth and multiply and replenish the
earth again. Why, Because all of the ancient civilizations have
been on the earth for hundreds of millions of years ago,
they're all gone. So I want to start a whole
new operation. So go forth, multiply and replenish the earth again.

(01:40:20):
So once you begin to see what the Bible is
really saying, you've never been told the real truth. But
if you go back and look at the mining the
mining companies, say in South Africa and Rhodesia and the
Central Africa, and the mining companies that have drilled down,

(01:40:43):
like off the coast of England and the North Sea,
they will drill down into the ocean, going all the
way down to the bottom of the ocean, and they
hit the finally they finally hit the bottom of the ocean,
the floor. Then they begin to carve and cut in
to the earth's core. And as they're cutting into it

(01:41:04):
with diamond cutters, they're cutting into the earth, all that
was inside of that pipe is now starting to come up.
And so eventually, you know, the land will find to
come up in the pipe and start to overflow as
they go deeper and deeper and deeper. And when they're

(01:41:24):
going way down deep, all of a sudden you see
handmade artifacts, trinkets, rings, strange markings, strange artifacts. They're coming
out of this stuff under the ocean. Handmade artifacts which
imply this earth is a lot older than we've told you.

(01:41:50):
There's something going on here in this universe that you
are not privileged to know about. Why because you can't
handle the truth. When you find out what God really
is and you find out what the scriptures are really
saying and not what the church tells you they're saying,

(01:42:11):
and paying some guy to preach to you, and he
doesn't know any more about it than you do. Therefore
the blind lead the blind, and both of you fall
into the pit. Well, I wasn't telling you you need
to do some homework and back up because what you
believe it just ain't true. And you're going to be
shocked when you find out what the real truth is

(01:42:34):
and nobody is going to like you. Well, that's what
Jesus said. If they had listened to me, they would
listen to you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
Is there any encouragement out there or do you tell
them to turn back now? Whatever you're seeking, whatever you're
trying to search after the truths.

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
Turn out the only encouragement I would say. People say, well,
you know, I hear this all the time when I'm
doing radio. People will say, well, you know the world
is waking up, you know, people are waking up, and
that's encouraging. I said, no, it's not encouraging, because that's
what prisoners do when you're in federal prison like Pelican

(01:43:13):
Bay and all of these federal prisons. That's what the
guys do who are in prison. Every morning they wake up,
but they're still in prison. And I ain't going nowhere.
So the light at the end of the tunnel is
a train coming because one day we're going to meet

(01:43:35):
our creator. One day you're going to have to stand
before the divine presence in the universe, and for the
first time you're going to find out what the real
name of the tune has always been. And then symbolically
it will be able to say to you, get away

(01:43:56):
from me. You work as of wlaw lessons. I never
knew you, you ignorant, ill informed, dim witted goofy ass,
crawling on your knees worshiping the god of this world,
who is the devil, the prince of darkness. I never
knew you. So to get any courage, your heart is

(01:44:19):
on the left side before we go. Left side of
your body is where your heart is, and left in
Latin is sinister. That's why the Bible tells us your
heart is treacherous and who can know it? Why because
it's on the left side and the left is sinister.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Wake up, that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
Well I have God, I have Jesus in my heart. No,
it's called solar plexus. Solar means the sun is represented
symbolically in your chest. It's called the solar plexus. We're
they going to cut you open and pull your heart
out and get it to God's sons.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
You when not well, Jordan, I'm having We're out of
time here. I appreciate you coming on, hanging out with me.
The comments are going crazy, Jordan. You could just imagine
the comments are going crazy. I mean there's a little
bit of everything. People are with you, telling you to
keep going, let's keep here.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
I want more.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
I want more. Other people are very upset, they're very
ticked off at you for, you know, busting their bubble
of their religious ideology, and that kind kind of comes
with the territory. But yeah, I appreciate you coming on,
and I want to have you on again and get
into some more dialogue with you. I know you you

(01:45:41):
can go and go and go. The whole thing that
I appreciate about you is that when it comes to
the person, the person of Jesus, Man, I really feel
like you resonate with him. But I feel like religion
and everything that is the Vatican and what we know
Christianity to be today is say to it is totally

(01:46:01):
satanic and Jesus would oppose it. And I believe you
feel that way too. But when it comes to when
it comes to the Jesus of the book, I feel
like I feel like you have a lot in common
with that person.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
Well, thank you, I.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
Appreciate you, Jordan. We'll do it again soon. Man, Thank
you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
It's quite right, and thank you. It's up to you.
I've always here.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
I know y'are brother. Thank you so much. Man. All right,
Jordan Maxwell, ladies and gentlemen. Wow, the comments are going
crazy as always, right, as always. I got a few
more minutes if people want to call in with some
questions or whatever. So much to be said there, so much,

(01:46:42):
and I'm reading the comments the whole time. People want
me to to debate Jordan, and I've said I've said
it from the beginning, like I'm not going to debate him.
He's an older man. I'm not going to sit here
and argue with this guy about his his truths experiences.
If I agree with it or if I don't. People

(01:47:03):
are wanting to know if I agree with it some
of it, a lot of it. I agree with a
lot of it, a lot of it. Do I agree
with all of it? No, not at all. There's so
much When we quote the Bible and quote these things,
you know, I'm not going to debate him, and that's
just not what I do on here.

Speaker 6 (01:47:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
If I had to clear it up at the end,
like I did last the last time I had him on,
I debated about even releasing that interview because it was
just kind of the same thing, and my goal was,
like going into it, is to try to pull some
some encouragement, some hope out of it because I've heard
him do it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
I've heard him talk about his angelic encounters and demonic
encounters and that stuff intrigues me so much, and I've
sampled his work throughout my music and things like that.
But sometimes he just sucks all the air out the room.
And it's kind of what tends to be happening a
lot here lately as he gets up there in years,

(01:47:56):
and he recently had a heart attack, and he's he's
suffered a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
People people are stealing from him, stealing his work and
plagiarizing his work and stuff. So he's, you know, he's
he feels that way for a reason. So as far
as you know, the hearts of men being deceitful and wicked,
I believe that, I mean the whole We just look
at the news and what's going on, man, but I

(01:48:23):
believe in light workers. I believe that there are people
here who are tired of what's going on in the government,
what's going on with religion and all of these things.
I believe that people want the truth, and I believe
that the truth is you have this negative heart, this
deceitful and wicked heart. Will quote the scriptures Jordan, these

(01:48:45):
quotes the scriptures. Jesus said that I will take away
your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
So he will give you a new heart. He said,
I will put my spirit within your heart, which caused
forth abble father, right, right, So these are the promises.
You know, we're talking about spiritual warfare and ways that

(01:49:06):
you can fight. There are many ways to fight. The
battle is not a flesh and blood The battle is spiritual.
The Bible says that we wore against principalities and wickedness
and high places, high places of government, schooling, all of

(01:49:27):
these things in Hollywood, all of this wickedness, and this
is what we've wore against us, what we fight against.
So I can offer some hope, you know what I'm saying.
I found hope in Jesus, and I, Man, I wonder
if there was like a certain time where Jordan like
thrived in it. And because he when he talks about Jesus, Man,

(01:49:48):
there I see a little glimm, just a little glimmer
in his eye. Man, when he starts talking about Christ
and and and the teachings of Christ and following, and
I know he sees his story in the person of
Jesus too. Right, those who have been persecuted spoke all
manner of evil against all of these things that Jesus
said would happen to you if you follow him. Those
things have happened to Jordan, those things happened to me,

(01:50:10):
happens to most of us listening. But I do think
that there is hope for the future. And I do
think that if you guys are listening almost two hours
into this podcast that you guys believe in change. You
guys are a part of the solution, and you want
to know the answers. And we're begging him, dude, help us,
Like what can we do. He's like, there's nothing you

(01:50:31):
can do. There's a lot that you can do.

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
There's people who are waking up daily. There's people who
are suffering from addiction. There's people who are suffering from oppression,
mental illness or whatever that can be changed, that can
be set free, that can connect with their creator, that
can connect through the person of Jesus or what they
know to be Jesus. And so there's a lot of

(01:50:54):
truth to what he's saying it, don't get me wrong.
So not believing in Jesus or believing in God or
having faith in God. See, faith is usually something that
you can't prove or can't see what's even what the
scriptures call it? What is the Hebrews eleven talks about
what faith is. And so there's a place where you
leave faith and you go into knowing to knowing God.

(01:51:18):
And that's that's something that nobody can take away from you.
Nobody can take that away from you. That no matter
how much that is challenged. No matter how much people
come up with evidence and stuff that comes against it,
your personal experience, your story, nobody can take that away
from you. Is what you know to be true. And

(01:51:40):
you know because you've had an encounter with the Living God.
And so that's why we preach all the time having
experienced with Christ, having experience with the Holy Spirit. And
obviously Jordan he hasn't had that. He talked about the
speaking in tongues or whatever, you know, the falling out,
that's all like a byproduct of the baptism of the
whole Holy Spirit. That's what happens when you get filled

(01:52:03):
with the spirit, when the spirit of the Living God
enters your mortal body, whether that's through a Kundalini awakeing awakening,
through meditation, and just getting going to church and getting
in the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Like that's a
life changing experience when you feel that energy into your
body and you connect with it, and all the wrong

(01:52:24):
that you've ever done, all the negative stuff that's been
done in your life, all the words that have been
spoken over you your whole life, you never be nothing.
You're not you know, you're not going to add up
to anything. You're worthless, you're stupid. Those things spoken over you.
You believe it, it's there, and then it's washed away
in an instant and you feel the power from on high.

(01:52:47):
You get filled with that fire that it says the
baptism Jesus talked about a second baptism. We talked about
this on the last podcast, which was really good, me
and Dan Oskapinsky the Path of the Christian Mystic. So
make sure you guys go listen to that one. But
you get filled with this power from on high and
everything changes, everything becomes real. Right. So I love Jordan Maxwell.

(01:53:10):
He's also even even up to this point, you know
what I'm saying, in his life, it's usually that it's
usually and people are asking for prayer, for pray form
and things like that. We definitely do that. Even in
the last podcast, Hunter Hunter says that in the comment section,
you're saying that this, this Jordan Maxwell seems different than

(01:53:32):
the last Jordan Maxwell that you heard. No, it's almost
an identical interview, almost like two hours almost of the
same identical stuff. And this is a lot of stuff
that he's been just been talking about over and over again,
and it shocks you and stuff and if and I'll
let I'll let it go because religion is Satanic. The
religious system that we have today, Yeah, there's some good

(01:53:53):
in it, there's some good in everything right, in the
religious system, in the church structure, right, But for the
most part, Christianity that we have here in the West
resembles nothing of what Jesus practice and what Paul preached.
It's totally different from the Holy Days. I mean, so
Jordan has a lot of stuff that's right. So you

(01:54:15):
basically have to be a Borean. You have to study
to show thyself approved. You can't just take everything that
Jordan says. You can't take everything that I say or
your pastor says or whoever. You got to take it,
and you have to match it with what you've experienced.
I believe experiences is huge. Some people don't like to
take that into consideration. Experience. I think experience is huge, huge,

(01:54:37):
And so what you've read, what you've learned, what you've experienced,
and see, what do you believe? And I think it's
awesome that our beliefs are challenged, right, I think it's awesome.
People think it's scary. People were asking me to cut
him off because some people may start believing some of
the fallacies that were in there that Jordan was speaking on.

(01:55:00):
Good to have your beliefs challenge. That's how you know,
That's how you prove what you truly believe. I can't
tell you, man, There's been so many times that my
faith has been shaken and what I believe and having
to bring it back to the drawing board. And I'm here, man,
like I'm still here. I still believe. I still know
who God is, I know that presence, I know that beauty.

(01:55:20):
It permeates my life. And this is why I'm here.
Why are you here? Why are you still listening to
this podcast? Right? So, I didn't want to argue with Jordan.
I respect that dude. He's an elder and I'm doing
what I'm doing because of him. No matter what you
believe who he is, I'm doing what I'm doing because

(01:55:43):
of that dude. When the church turned their back on
me and told me that I was a devil worshipper
and they told me I was this and all that
and all this kind of stuff, I didn't know what
to do. I kept trying to go back to the church.
I kept trying to go back, and I kept trying
to say, I don't believe in none of this. Y'all
receive me. I wanted those people to receive me and

(01:56:03):
and and all of that stuff. And I was I
was going back and forth. Double minded, double minded man
is unstable in all of his ways. And it was
it was a phone call with Jordan. I've had many
phone calls with Jordan, and he talks just like that.
You get on the phone with him, he's gonna talk.
He'll answer your question maybe, but he's gonna talk. But

(01:56:25):
he encouraged me. And there's a little audio snippet. I
took an audio snippet out of the conversation where he
just encouraged me to keep doing what I'm doing. And
he started promoting my music on his page and on.
He's had some, uh, some campaigns where he used my
music as the freaking soundtracks for his campaigns and stuff.
And many people know who I am because of that guy.
So I'm grateful for for Jordan Maxwell, even though we

(01:56:49):
I may disagree on many things, but you're never gonna
find anybody that you wholeheartedly agree on. So, yeah, you
need to examine yourself, like Jesus said, examine your self
to see whether you're in the faith. I'm gonna take
some I'm gonna take another call here. I'll see you,
generic assassin. So I'm sure. I'm pretty sure that you're
on the line. One thing I do want to touch

(01:57:09):
on to what Kathy was asking about the naw Commodie
and the Gnostic Gospels and stuff like that. You want
to know my take on it. It's I've actually got
a blog that I wrote up about it, and it's
it's entitled should I Read the Gnostic Gospels? It's what
it's entitled, and uh, and it's just my opinion. I

(01:57:29):
wanted to do a blog because so many people ask
me my take on the Gnostic Gospels and and all
these other books, and I kind of, you know, give
my opinion and it's there. So I'll put that in
the show notes as well, so you can check that out.
There are some books that were taken out of the
scriptures that I fully resonate with one hundred percent. As

(01:57:52):
you read them, you can feel the teacher, you can
feel the Holy Spirit speaking and moving as you're reading them.
And some of those other books that are in the
na Commodity texts, you read them and you. You can tell, man,
you can tell that they're a forgery. Like there's some
cool stuff and you can pull some good stuff out
of it, but it's like you can tell somebody's trying
to copy what was already done in the scriptures. Right.

(01:58:14):
So that's that's one thing I'll say about that. And
there's some of those even in Thomas or whatever. There's
some beautiful quotes in Thomas, but I don't feel like
it's inspired at all. I don't think that's actually Thomas's book.
And put it that way. Anyway, if you guys want
some encouragement and you want to feel better, there's a
heaviness over you, right, you can you can go back

(01:58:35):
and listen to the last episode that I did with
dan Oskapinsk. Trust me, it's like one of the highest
rated shows that that that I've done, and it was
a beautiful episode. Go back and listen to that one.
But with that being said, I'm gonna go ahead and
say piece and shalom. I'm gonna go ahead and get off
of here, and I'll say a quick blessing over you guys,

(01:58:56):
and I'll pray a blessing what everybody's going through. I
told you guys at the very beginning that you know
where I'm at right now in my faith and personally.
I was just let go from my job like three
days ago, unexpectedly. I worked at this job for like
eleven years, and out of the blue was let go

(01:59:16):
for some crazy reason. And they really didn't give me
a good reason why I was let go, but something
that everybody does, everybody gets away with. I mess up
one time and they just throw me under the bus.
But anyway, I took that as a sign from the
most high to pursue my art, to pursue the podcast

(01:59:40):
and my music full time. And I have a lot
of stuff that I'm able to do online where I'm
able to make money. I do websites and stuff on
the side that doesn't come through often, but I do
do those, so I'm hoping that that will supplement income.
So if you want to support what I'm doing, you
can go to Patreon and give anywhere from a dollar
to ten fifteen whatever you feel led to do. And

(02:00:02):
there's so many of you guys over there doing that.
Man Grim is supporting Hunters supporting Man. You guys are awesome.
It means so much that you believe in not only me,
but you believe in my family as well. I have
a wife and daughter who I have to support and
we're stepping out now, We're stepping out in faith and
it's now or never. So I'm going to try to
do this music thing, this podcast thing full time and

(02:00:23):
trust the most high that He's going to provide, right.
So thank you guys so much. So go to patreon
dot com backslash truth Sika if you would like to
give at any level it would I'll be It'd be amazing.
I'd be honored them forever, grateful for that. So say
a quick blessing over you guys, and I'll pray over you. Lord.
I thank you for everyone listening right now, wherever they

(02:00:44):
are in their faith, whether they're questioning and they're wrestling
in their bodies and in their minds of who you are,
of what you are, if you even exist at all, God,
I just ask you to meet them where they are
right now, even now, if they've heard of you, heard
other opinions of you, but that you would meet them,
that you would encounter them where they are, where they

(02:01:05):
would have an experience with you, that they would encounter God.
And even in this moment, right now, from the top
of their head to the soles of their feet. I
ask you just to touch them, just to breathe upon
them with your ruwak hakodesk right now in Jesus' name, Lord,
give them peace and their spirit and in their life

(02:01:25):
and in their situations. Lord, let them know that you
are the Lord of their life, that you are what
they're looking for wholeheartedly, that you are truth. We search
for truths, but you are the truth. God. I ask
you to reveal yourself to them in a mighty way
in Jesus' mighty name. Thanks so, Chris wants me to
lift up Jordan, we'll do. We'll do. God, thank you

(02:01:49):
for Jordan. I thank you for all the people that
he's influencing, and even that Jordan is even dropping breadcrumbs
for people just to enter into the truth, almost like
Alex Jones. People are just entering in through people like him,
and then they're just searching for truth and they're asking
the bigger questions. And guess what, somebody's watching the Jordan
Maxwell interview and they found truth seeker. They found what

(02:02:13):
we're doing. What we have to bring to the table,
so strategic people. God, I ask you to bless Jordan.
I ask you to reveal yourself to him through grace
and through mercy, and just comfort him God in Jesus' name,
or let him know that you love him, that you
care for him, and put people in his life. Even
I pray that whatever I said in the interview God

(02:02:34):
would touch him, and just to let him know that
he has loved, that he is not forgotten, and that
there is a hope that is found in you. God.
I think it for my relationship with him, and I
ask you to strengthen that and bless him, and bless
everybody listening right now. Jesus Mighty name. This is the
real deal, y'all. This is the real deal. It's theories.
I don't deal with theories and conspiracy theories anymore. We

(02:02:56):
just deal with truth. We just deal what we can
apply to our life that's going to help us in
this walk in its existence. What we can apply to
our life in our day to day to function and
to prosper, to really enjoy life, to really experience the
Kingdom of Heaven on this earth. And that's what I
asked him at the very beginning. Do you enjoy it?

(02:03:17):
I know it's rough Man. This walk is hard. This walk,
it gets rough, it gets lonely at times, but it's
well worth it. It is well worth it, guys, I'm
telling you. If anybody has any questions man, feel free
to ask me. Drop the line in the comment section.
Make sure that you go to iTunes and subscribe there

(02:03:38):
and we'll be back with more podcasts. So with me
doing this full time, I'm going to be doing more podcasts.
So we're going to be doing this and taking your
phone calls live. Thank you guys so much. Piece, Piece,

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