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UFOs and Religion - The UFO Mothership and It's Occupants | Jordan Maxwell
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Honey pulled. Hi, Welcome toViera's Past, Present, and Future.
Always busier before the show, soshe you caught me talking to a lot
of other people, But anyway,I'm on the air and my attention is
all on you. Tonight You're goingto talk with Jordan Maxwell and with Michael
Lindeman, and we're going to talkabout UFOs and the New World Order that
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should be of interest to everyone.And Michael Lindeman is the author of many
books UFOs and Alien Presence, andwe'll talk about that a little bit later.
And Jordan Maxwell, I hope lotsof you caught him on CBS.
He did Ancient Mysteries of the Worldand it was a most extremely interesting program.
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I enjoyed it very much. Itaped it, and I hope a
lot of you saw it, andthey'll talk a little bit about that,
but mainly we'll talk about the rolethe UFOs play or the alien present place
in that new world order. Sostay tuned. It will be a most
interesting show. And now introduction toour guests. He is a futurist social
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analyst. He's also an author anda lecturer. He is president of the
twenty twenty Group, a private researchorganizations that studying forces that shape our future.
He is dynamic, humorous and penetratingspeaker who enjoys challenging them skeptics as
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well as the believers. Please givea big hand to Michael Lindeman. Michael,
great to have you on the show. Very happy to be back.
Thank you, Ed. And mynext guest is no stranger to the show.
He is also an author, ateacher, and a lecturer on ancient
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religion and astrong mythology. And heis an expert in secret societies and symbols
and how they affect us today.So tonight we'll talk about UFOs and the
New World Order, and you havetwo experts on this panel here who will
tell you what our future holds.So please give a big hand to Jordan
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Maxwell. Jordan's great to have youon the show. It's always a pleasure
to have both of you on theshow because it's kind of kind of nice
because I know you're like a wellof information both of you and I kind
of can shut off and can allowyou to take over. Absolutely so,
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And MIKEA, I'm going to startwith you, how do you feel the
UFOs phenomena will fit into the NewWorld Order. Well ver, I've been
thinking about that a lot lately becauseI'm rewriting a paper by that title that
I first published in nineteen ninety two, and I realized that things had changed
so much even in the last twoyears that I had to look at the
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whole situation again. And I thinkby now probably everyone who hasn't been living
in a cave for the last tenyears realizes that our world is changing at
a tremendous rate of speed. AndI've been reading a lot of the sort
of the straight literature, not theesoteric stuff, but just the straight literature.
The newspapers and magazines and all ofthem are saying, and all the
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commentators and the political analysts are sayingthat with the end of the Cold War,
the world is now more uncertain,more unstable, more up for grabs,
and it's been in a very longtime. Okay. Now, some
people think that's very good, somepeople think it's not. But it's a
time when change is the only constant, and things on the unexpected is the
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most expected. Okay. Now,one thing they're not bringing in the straight
press is not bringing in except asin sort of in the joke column,
Okay, is the UFO phenomenon orI'd like to, for the sake of
your audience, throw out a newterm, a new acronym here. We've
been using UFO for five decades.It's loaded with baggage and it connotes in
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a lot of people's minds kind ofgoofy pseudoscience, you know what I mean.
So what we've realized by now is, first of all, even though
it's extremely strange, it's not goofy. In fact, some recent studies have
demonstrated that even people who claim tohave had onboard experiences, who claim to
see aliens literally in their bedroom orin their backyard, these people, from
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a clinical point of view, forthe most part, are not crazy at
all. Quite the contrary, they'reintelligence capable, successful people, white collar
workers, most of them, collegeeducated, most of them. In fact,
it's an amazingly high level group ofpeople who are reporting the most extraordinary
experiences. Now, some people wantus to believe that the UFO subject is
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nothing but lunatics with goofy ideas,So we're finding out clinically that isn't true.
At the same time, people who'vebeen studying the phenomenon are convinced that
there is a, let's say,a secret level to our government and to
other governments where it is recognized thatthe UFO phenomenon is not only real but
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really important. So the big questionis, if all of the politicos and
political analysts and everyone who's talking aboutthe new world order knows that the world
is changing at breakneck speed, howdoes this big secret fit in? Okay,
Well, now, to be perfectlyfrank with you, I have to
say I don't know, but Ihave a suspicion that it fits in in
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a very very big way. Thathas always been a very very big problem,
and that what we're looking for isa reorganization of government and of public
opinion which allows us to start tellingthe truth about the UFO phenomenon, because
right now it is probably the singlebiggest political hot potato that we've got,
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and I know the Georgian's got somethings to say about that, so I
want to pitch him the ball nowand we can come back. But I
really think that it's it's the largestunspoken, unacknowledged political problem looming on the
horizon which is going to change theway the future comes out. I'm always
amazed that I still run into peoplewho say, I don't believe in it.
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It's all bullshit, you know,I mean really like it, you
know, And to me it isjust why do we think we should be
the only one? It doesn't evenmake sense to me in this galaxy that
Earth should be the only one thatlife. And you'll get back to the
faith on Mars and all that.But Jordan, that your symbols and mysticism,
and of course I love your articlein the book, in this book,
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and that the book your church doesnot want to you to read.
How does the UFO phenomena fit orwhat do you see as a new world
order? Well, how if wego back into ancient history and follow the
march of world history from even priorto the Samarians, but especially from Samaria
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than Egypt and Phoenicia and all ofthe ancient cultures coming down to our modern
day. There has never existed oneculture on the earth that did not recognize
the gods and the gods who werebehind the kings, and the great gods
who were behind all things. Notone culture has ever existed that did not
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recognize that there were higher forces atwork on the earth. There is no
doubt in my mind our government asalso very keenly aware of the existence of
higher intelligistence. And I recall,as I have brought out in your program
before that my mother's uncle worked atthe Vatican Secretary of State's office in and
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in that capacity he was privy tomany things going on in the world of
intrigue and international politics, and thethings he used to talk about when I
was a child, about the occultor hidden wisdom behind the world scene,
and the hidden implications of the symbolsand emblems, and the religious philosophies,
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and how all these things are allenmeshed in politics, and there even within
the Christian and Jewish religion, thereis much proof in the Bible of the
existence of angels or spirit creatures whoare influencing man's destiny. So I have
no problem with believing that there issome sort of a extraterrestrial if you will,
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intelligence, because just even the knowledgethat the ancient Sumerians, for instance,
and the Egyptians had about our universe, about the whole concept of the
procession of the equinox, how thesun moves backwards in the signs, and
the different astrological symbols, and theastrological terms and there's just too much occult
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or hidden knowledge that was known bythe ancients that could not have been just
intuitive, had to have been fromsomeone out there who brought the knowledge to
us. And there's a lot ofvery good scholarship that's proving that there has
been some sort of a connection betweenus and other life forms from out there.
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So I think it can be proving. Yeah, but how would this
how do you see in your opinion, and Michael, you can answer it
to and your opinion, how doyou see this kind of getting into fined
within New World government? Well,first of all, I want to echo
something that Jordan has said because Irealized I started the thought that I didn't
complete a minute ago, and thatwas that when we use the term UFO,
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it's as if we're talking about ourcars. If if some beings from
another planet came here and went backhome and said, boy, if they
got great cars, and they said, well that's nice, how about the
people. No, No, thecars they're great, Okay. It's like
that when we talk about UFOs,we're actually talking about contact with non human
intelligence. It could be gods,it could be angels, it could be
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aliens, it could be extraterrestrials,it could be interdimensionals. We don't know
what it looks like. Is we'reright at the threshold of realizing that we
belong to this wildly diverse population ofintelligent inhabitants of this maybe right here,
of this planet, even things thatlive here, that have lived here longer
than we have. Even Okay,now, how does it fit in?
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It's problematic. If you look atthe spread of opinion about the new World
Order, there's you could say,the politically correct view held by people like
say Henry Kissinger on the one hand, and then there's all of the shades
of radical view that kind of spreadout from there that get more and more
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conspiratorial, and a lot of itgets very very religious, very tied,
for example, to apocalyptic Christianity andso forth. Now I have decided that
I can only speak to the rangeof opinion and can and cannot say right
there, that part, that's theright part right there. I can't do
that, and I don't think it'sfair to do that, because we have
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a great many different people helping uspaint a very complex picture here. But
generally we're faced with two a numberof different problems. Problem Number one,
Are we actually in control of thisplanet or not? All right? And
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I believe that as far as wepractically speaking here on Earth, the people
of this planet, that may turnout to be the fundamental challenging issue of
our time. Are we actually incharge of this planet or not? Or
are we someone else's science experiment,someone else's political ghetto, someone else's someone
else's petrie dish okay, someone else'spenal colony. There are many definitions that
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have been applied to this situation whichare extremely problematic. I don't want to
arouse any religious conniption fits here,but I have been puzzling about it,
just as Jordan said, been puzzlinga lot about the various religious traditions of
the world, all of whom havepantheons of gods who are described remarkably the
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same time after time after time.And where the way it turns out is
it looks an awful lot, asif as if the gods were not God
capital g some entirely transcendental almighty onesuper thing, but actually a technologically sophisticated
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being or group of beings more likely, who came in set up shop,
got everyone to build temples and landingfields and pyramid structures which actually helped them
to guide or maybe even channel energyin and so forth, and became the
pantheons that we today call mythological,but in those days were absolutely real.
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And one of those gods I thinkhas been figured has figured very large in
our in our existence, and thatis the god known as Yahweh. Okay,
yeah, okay. Now is thatgod capital g Jehovah? You know,
the one almighty High Hansho. Maybe, But the amazing thing is Yahweh
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sounds an awful lot, like alike a rather irascible warlord. If you
read the literature, absolutely okay,and you say to yourself, you know,
one of the most fascinating things aboutthe relationship between the ancient Hebrews and
Yahweh was the ancient Hebrews were alwaysdisobeying Yahweh. Yah. I mean,
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isn't that why the Hebrews? Whyisn't that why? We say why why?
Today? The big myth is theJews were always in trouble because they
were always going against God. Ihad this idea the other day. I
was thinking to myself, maybe it'sbecause they had it right. Maybe it's
because Yahweh was a real real jerk, you know. And you know,
and and the Jews, being avery very wilful, very smart people,
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said, I don't want to followthis guy. You know, he's got
great saucers, and he's got greatguns, and he's got you know,
he's got he does flames really good. Okay, but you know he's he's
a really he's a jerk. Wedon't like this guy. Now, the
Balloonians had their gods, and theSumerians had their gods. The Egyptians had
their gods. We had Yahweh.What did the gods do? They battled
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each other, but you know whenthey were working, they were off raping
people and you know, and burningother people's villages down and stuff like that.
I mean, it's also in theBible. Okay. If we're going
to take the Bible literally, wemight as well take it literally and say,
okay, now, what does thistell us about today? What it
tells us about today is a numberof things. First of all, mythology
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is a very tricky business. Andmythology is always happening. We're in a
time today when we're building new mythology, okay, and the mythology is going
to in a sense supersede some ofthe old mythology. But we're at a
time today when you might say thesky is opening up and possibilities. We
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didn't ever imagine a raining down onus. And it's going to get very
very surprising, very surprising. Okay, scary maybe scary, maybe surprising,
definitely. I think when we startto meet the gods, and I think
we will, we're going to findout that they're not as nice as we
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want them to be, and they'renot as powerful as they want us to
think they are. But they dopose a challenge fundamentally right down bottom line,
is this our planet or not?And I think that this is a
very good reason for people to situp and pay attention, because we whether
you believe in aliens or not,whether you believe in the Illuminati or not,
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we do have to answer the fundamentalquestion are we willing to take responsibility
for this planet? That is thequestion of the day. Whether you're an
environmentalist or whether you're talking about recapturingthe democratic process, whatever your particular angle
is, the question is are youwilling to take responsibility for this planet or
not? Because there are people,and there are beings out there who are
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wrestling for control of this planet.I'm sure of that, and that I
believe is where that intersection is occurring. At that point, I'd like to
yeah, you also let me justthat you write something about that, that
we are going into a new aged and it goes up behind. Well,
yes, and that's according to theBible, because I believe the Bible
is telling us an encoded story.I think there's more to the story than
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has met the eye. But onone point I wanted to bring out is
that in both the All and NewTestament of the Bible and all of the
Bible all in New Testament, thereare only two scriptures in the entire Bible
where the word God is used,and of course it's used all the way
through. There are only two scriptureswhere that word God it means a nebulous,
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all encompassing, divine spiritual force inthe universe. Only two scriptures mean
that all of the scriptures in theBible that talk about God means actual entities
more than one, right, morethan one, and more than one.
And that's why even excuse me,more than one, because in Genesis one
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one it is a mistranslation to sayin the beginning, God created the heavens
and the earth. That is notwhat it says. In Hebrew. It
says in the beginning, Eloheim createdthe universe, So created heavens in the
earth. Elohim is God in theplural more than one. That's why later
on in Genesis one our Genesis two, God says, come let us make
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man and our image according to ourlikeness. Now here's an interesting point.
The rabbis that I have talked withsay that there are two different ways to
understand that scripture that says in Genesistwo, God said, come let us
make man in our image according toour likeness. There is the one way
that we understand that, which iswe are reading it to say that God
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is saying to someone, let's makea creature, call man, and we'll
call him. We'll call him man. Let's make a creature and we'll make
him to look like us, orhave our attributes or whatever or it could
be saying. And the rabbis believeit is actually saying. The emphasis should
be on different words, come letus make man in our image according to
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our likeness, implying that man's alreadyhere, but for being so great he's
not that great. So someone isstepping in and intervening in our evolution and
saying, let's take man and makehim in our image. Let's fix him.
Let's fix him because right now he'sprogressing, but it's going to take
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him another million years to figure outwhat's going on. Why don't we take
a male and a female, takethem over and do something with them genetically,
put them in an area. Becausethe Bible does not say that God
created man in the garden of Eden. It says God created the God's created
man and put him into the garden. And when they left the garden,
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they left and found people out there. It says so in the Bible,
Okay, they were all around thegarden were people. And when Adam and
Eve Watoll had two sons, Cainand Abel. When Cain kills his brother
Abel, God says, you haveto leave out of this particled area.
Caine says to God in the scriptures, do not send me out there,
because anyone finding me out there isgoing to kill me. Now he's got
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God believing this somebody out there,because God says, no, I'm not
going to let them kill you.I'll put a mark on you now,
God believes is somebody out there.The point is that there must have been
people out already there, but notas highly developed and not highly evolved,
so that it would would be reasonableif you took a caveman or Neanderthal race
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of people and took too well,and then through some sort of a high
technology genetically change them and evolved themquickly, and then send you back out
into a Neanderthal civilization. Now you'regoing to be totally different, and they're
going to remember that you left andnow you come back different. It all
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smacks of something else that's in theBible that we haven't been told. So
let's let's get this the new worldorder. You see it? Do you
see it as a breakdown of thereligion and are thinking or how we've been
been taught, or do you actuallysee it? They will come back and
someone else will rule us. We'lltalk about this in just a few minutes.
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We'll take a very short break andthey'll be right back. Hi,
welcome back to Algeia's Past, present, and future into our great guest Michael
Lindeman and Jordan Maxwell. And I'mgonna let you answer that question that I
just asked before we went in abreak. I also want to remind you
in a few minutes we will takeany phone calls that you have, and
we will take audience participation. Soplease then, Mike should be there.
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Just raise your hand and let meknow when you're ready to speak. Okay,
Michael, you said you'd comment onthat. Part of the problem.
Part of the problem that we face, Elvera is of course that government is
not a single thing. Government ismany layers, and some of the higher
layers are doing things that the lowerlayers, meaning the people we elect,
don't know about. At the higherlevels, I am now convinced that,
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first of all, there is knowledgethat these very large global issues involving non
human intelligences are really looming, andthere's always been a management problem, how
to tell the people, how tocontrol what may happen, and so forth.
It raises a number of disturbing questions. Is any part of our government
actually working with aliens? If youwant to use a shorthand term, it's
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not a good term, but let'ssay aliens. The answer there is hard
to be sure of. I'm leaningin the direction of saying yes, probably
at the very least. I'm nowconvinced that that level of government has quasi
military agencies, maybe not our regularmilitary, but certainly quasi military groups and
agencies monitoring the alien situation very verycarefully. Now, if we look at
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the range of alien type activities,we see everything from stuff that looks really
bad to stuff that looks potentially verygood. You showed me something when we
started, before we started the show, this is this message from the so
called Ashtar Command. Now, I'velooked into the Ashtar Command, and I
don't want to scandalize anybody, becausethere's people watching this who are absolutely sure
that messages like this are, youknow, absolutely true, absolutely true.
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I'm not going to say they're notabsolutely true. I'm going to say that
they're one part of a very complicatedpicture. This basically is saying the Ashtar
Command is going to land on theWhite House lawn. They literally say that
it's going to happen this year,and they're going to give us, the
people, an opportunity to choose whetherwe want help from the aliens. Because
our world is into serious trouble,it's being polluted and so forth, and
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we've messed it up. They canhelp us if we want their help.
Now I want to tell you veryinteresting story very quickly, and then let
Jordan go here. There's a wonderfulresearcher. She is a PhD researcher named
Carla Turner who has just written avery important book, and I hope that
some of your listeners will go outand get it. It's called Taken Inside
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the Human Alien Abduction Agenda. Oneof the things this woman, and she's
an abductee herself, one of thethings that she's pointing out is that a
lot of abductees are seeing situations inwhich the humans are showing up human beings
military, many often dressed in militaryor showing up in abduction scenarios as if
they are invited to observe or evenperhaps participating. It raises some very scary
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problems. But I want to mentionone particular thing that happened to her.
She had her experiences were so alarmingto her, and they happened over many
years, and they're happening to herhusband as well, that she began to
pray, and she's not a religiousperson, she broke down and she said,
I'm gonna pray about this, Okay, there must be somebody up there
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listening. She said, please tellme what's really going on, and she
had an extraordinary experience. She said, it was like a dream, but
it was so lucid that she knewit was not a dream. And in
fact, in the middle of it, she literally came out of the state
she was in, got up themiddle of the night, got up,
went to the bathroom, looked ather watch, sat down to think about
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it, and at that very secondshe was back in it. Now what
was happening? She was being shownover and over and over again. A
biblical story of Jacob and Esau.The biblical story of Jacob and Esau was
the story where Isaac the elder wasdying. Esa the older son, had
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given away his birthright to the youngerson Jacob. When Esau was starving,
Jacob said, I've got food.You give me your birthright. You can
have some food. Oh the motherdeceived. Then then then that was the
side deal. Then when it cametime when Isaac was leap, when he
was dying, when it came time, Jacob went in put a capskin on
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his arm so that the father Isaac, who was now blind, would say,
this is my son Esau, whohas the hairy body. Okay,
all right, now. They showedher this story over and over and over
again. They said, do youunderstand what we're telling you. This is
not about the Bible. This isabout what has happened on your planet.
This is how it went. Thisis a symbol. Listened carefully. Esa
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was the original Humana gave up hisbirthright, not because he wanted to,
but because he was manipulated. Jacobis the new human. Okay, Jacob
was given this by an act ofGod, if you will, but it
was born of deception. This isthe story. It is happening again.
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They went further, very important,because here we have this story here where
the Ashtar command is going to comein in peace and love and light and
save us from our stupidity. Thesebeings said to Carla Turner, you will
hear stories that the aliens are goingto present themselves as your savior at the
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time when you are no longer ableto run your own affairs. They will
come in in peace and love andlight. They will seem god like.
They will want to save you.They will offer you the option, these
beings said to her. Don't buyit. You fell for it once.
Don't fall for it again. Theysaid, if you really want to know
what's happening, there are lots ofoptions out there, and now you must
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choose if you are going to giveit away again, or if you are
going to say, not this time, We'll do this ourselves. We'll show
we can, We'll show we're strongenough, we'll show we're willing to be
that kind of smart, that kindof discipline. Not again, you will
not take it from us again.Now, I happen to feel that that
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is a very possible correct interpretation ofthe situation, that we're going to be
chart We're gonna be challenged to reallyuse our discrimination this time and thinking not
just give our power away. Jordan'scomment on that, because this is right
up here, Allie, all thisit certainly is, because I had not
heard the story before. But itcertainly strikes a note with me, because
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I am aware that the ancients wereled by other worldly knowledge to set up
what we today call the zodiac,the astronological symbols of the zodiac, and
that each one of these two thousand, two hundred and fifty years, whatever
it is, it's a little overtwo thousand years for each one of the
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cycles of the zodiac, the signswhen the sun comes into each one of
the zodiological signs. We are inthat sign for a little over two thousand
years, and according to astrology,we have been in the age of Pisces.
And that was, of course,Jesus was the great fisherman the fishes
on the back of Christian cars.The fish, of course was Pisces.
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And then Jesus says to his apostlesand Luke twenty two ten when asked,
where are we going to go whenwe leave for the last passover? Where
do we go next? And Jesussays to his twelve, which is interesting
that it was twelve apostles, yes, because of the twelve signs as the
zodiac. He says, go intothe city and you will see a man
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with the water pitcher. And gointo the house with the man with the
water pitcher. We're talking about theSun, God's son, the light of
the world, the Sun, sayingto his twelve, the next sign we
will go into is the man withthe water pitcher. Now, what I'm
saying in relation to what he broughtout is that when now talking about a
new world order, a novas odosiklorum, which comes from Virgil, incidentally,
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the Roman poet Virgil. But itseems as though we are being set
up to accept something that's coming tobe a great new world order kingdom of
the gods. The gods are goingto come back. And I think what
Michael was saying as very germane tomy research, that we are being set
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up to accept something as a greatand new world order kingdom in which all
mankind will live in peace and harmony. I think we're being set up for
something very serious and very big bysome very powerful secret societies that very well
could have extraterrestrial or other world intelligenceguiding it. I am very fearful for
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the world we live in because webought it hook line and sinker, and
all over the world we have acceptedthe authority as truth rather than true as
the authority. And I think whatMichael was saying is exactly right. I
think we are being led into andwe do have other options, but it's
going to require intellect, knowledge,study, and making a stand for the
first time not to accept the thingswhich your government gives you, which your
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religions give you, and which theauthorities give you. Because as far as
I'm concerned, I have a verybig problem with anyone called an authority because
they're always nebulous, faceless, andwe don't know who they are. And
the authorities say, I'm tired ofauthorities. I want to know who's behind
this new world order? Who putthe Egyptian pyramid on the dollar bill?
What is the implication of Jesus beingthe chief cornerstone that the builders rejected?
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And the Greek word chief cornerstone meansa triangle on top of a pyramid.
Do your homework and you're going tofind out there's something going on here in
the Bible in world affairs, andI think we're being led by some very
powerful intellects. I have some verybig questions about all of this, and
the House of Hearts is going tosolve now. I wanted too quickly because
I do want to put out thatyou have written several books, and I
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have one of them here, andI wanted to say you stick strictly to
facts, though, because I knowI read the book, you do not
use this mythology simply because that's whatyou chose to do as another book book
in the words, yes, oryou will use more of this type of
story that you just told us orthese types of yes. The answer to
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your question is yes, and I'lltell you why. As I said at
the beginning of the show, Icannot say that this part is true and
the rest is not. Okay,what I can say is that there is
this very powerful conversation occurring which isshaping a new mythology, whether we like
it or not. I'm not sayingit's true, but I am saying it's
powerful. I'm saying it's happening,it's occurring, and behind every mythology,
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I no Jordan will agree with this. Behind every mythology, there are surprising
truths. There are things that aretrue, and you have to have to
dig down through the levels of interpretation. But I do believe that in the
mythologies of the gods there were trueencounters with quasi divine, superpowerful beings.
I believe that we see this occurringtoday. I am inclined, yes,
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definitely, to stick to the facts, but we have to realize too that
it is not just facts the drivehistory forward. But what I'm trying to
say is you started out with reallysticking to facts and just doing research,
and you're kind of as you gotall the facts you drew different conclusions.
Yes, And I want to sayagain, I am trying to present a
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range of possibilities, not saying thatany one of these possibilities is a fact,
but that if we start to tryto understand what the facts add up
to, we start to see thesevery large, complex pictures. Okay,
we are in a time of hugeuncertainty. No matter who you ask,
you'll get that answer definitely. Andwhat is driving the uncertainty are some of
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the most extraordinary, unacknowledged things thatwe have ever encountered. And I believe
it some of those things are thethings we've been talking about. I would
add one very quick thing. Ishare Jordan's view that a lot of the
so called religious authority is going tocome into serious question in the future.
But I would also like to pointout that the woman whose story I just
told you is not a religious woman, quite the contrary. But she took
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in effect a spiritual leap of faithby sitting down against her common practice,
sitting down and praying. And whenshe opened herself and said I really need
some help here, I really needto know what the heck is going on,
she got this extraordinary response, whichwas crystal clear, which took her
all night long. She was carriedup into this event and it was absolutely
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crystal clear to her. Now,what I get from that is that sometimes
spiritual truth arrives in unexpected packages,okay, and it is there to be
found. I am not rejecting thatone bit. I just think that we
should not jump to the most handyor most comforting spiritual truth that happens to
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be lying around. Yeah. Really, you're going to take a call Eva,
you're on the airline one. Hello, Yes, a gentleman. Have
you ever heard or read missus Blavatska. She's Helena Petrovna Boski. Yes,
yes, I have all of herworks. You have, yes, Well,
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that's why, yes, I thinkher her Her best work was Icy's
Unveiled Part two, which is theologyright, and that was an exceptional work.
I think that Helena Petrovna Bolotsky,the Russian mystic, was a very
wise and perceptive lady, and shehad some very profound knowledge. Obviously in
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her academic achievements were extraordinary, andso I have a very high respect for
the work of Helena Bovotsky. Itdoes not necessarily have to me that I
follow every single thing that she believed. But I believe her work was monumental
in even did you have a certainquestion that you wanted to ask her?
Well, because everything that she wroteabout now it's like an echo. I
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don't care. There is a lotof cinematity. You right, great,
Thanks for sharing. Thank you.I think it's interesting she said in the
eighteen nineties that in the nineteen nineties, she said, in one hundred years,
we're going to have a whole newexplosion of understanding that's going to stagger
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the imagination of religionists and people ofreligion and people who really just haven't looked
at these subjects very They're going tobe forced to look at some very powerful
facts concerning our existence on this earth. And I am really very much dedicated
to the proposition that we have to, as human beings, do some homework.
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We had better find out where thesereligious ideas have come from, concepts
and belief systems have come from,because, as I had brought out in
your program many times before, therewas a definite collusion between government and religion
in this world that we live intoday, and especially in America. Is
that true? Yes? And secretsocieties behind both Yes, absolutely, if
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you'll take another call, Michael lyingto you're under here? Hello, Hello,
Michael, are you there? Hello? Yes? Yes? Do you
have you ever read the book Beholdthe Tale Horse by Milton William Cooper?
Yes. I was a guest onWilliam Cooper's program a couple of times.
I've had dinner with him. Iknow him well. I've read his book,
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and so I find it to bea very fascinating book and it has
a lot of very important material inthere. Yes, you do know that
they did burn down the station whenhe predicted they were going to kill the
people at at wake Over, andthat's what I heard. I don't know
if that. Yeah, it's doctor. Have you read the book Inside the
New Age Nightmare by Randall and Bayer? Yeah? I have the book,
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I just haven't got in. Hewas recently eliminated to he's dead now.
And also as for Ray Rennick,I'm afraid that he's a victim of what
they call the head on a post, a syringe, a shot that they
give you to eliminate people like himthat bring great truth out. And incidentally,
many people in Santa Barbara under surveillance, many many people since the sixty
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Blueprint, Blue Project blue Book hadan office at the UCSP and then there
was a connection with the Center forthe Study of Democratic Institutions, which was
funded by the Rockefellers. Sabe BrazinskiKissinger used to go there. All these
people used to go there. WhenI was sixteen years old, I worked
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there. Let me let me atthis point, when the President of the
United States gives his State of theUnion message in that hall at you will
see almost every night on television someonegiving a lecture or a speech on something
at that large caucus room. Thereare both sides of the podium. Are
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two symbols of political power in America, and they're called fasciiyes. They are
mundle of sticks with a hatchet head, and they are the symbols of world
fascism. As I have brought outin your program before, I think that
we are in our country and ourpeople are in the hands of some very
very powerful secret societies. Symbols offascism, Nazism, communism are all around
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us, and we don't even knowwhat these symbols mean. And so that's
what I'm saying. And I alsoam a firm believer that there's some sort
of a connection between Nazism, fascism, communism, and secret societies. I
think that can be proven. Thenagain, to take the next step,
I think behind secret societies as somevery powerle will intellects manipulating us as a
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people in our country and perhaps allthroughout the world. I really need to
throw in a sort of a differentkind of a curveball here, especially when
a gentleman like this calls and describespeople who've been killed and so forth.
We do know, of course thatpeople have been intimidated, some people have
been treated very severely. That's beentrue in other countries, it's been true
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here as well. But I thinkwe should not allow ourselves to be overly
intimidated by that. We're coming toa time when we really have an opportunity
to be very vocal about whether ornot we want the world to come out
the way we want it or not. We're going to have to stand up
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and be counted. And I thinkthat now is not the time to say,
well, someone got killed and thereforewe should hide and run away.
Not at all. I think thatwe're at a time when we have more
democratic possibilities than we've ever had before. This program is an indication, for
example, that we can do literallyon a shoestring with volunteer help. We
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can do good television, and wecan have you know, significant conversations week
after week. We're getting more andmore opportunities for self publishing. We're getting
more and more opportunities for work onthe computer networks, which allow people to
share more information more rapidly than everbefore. And now is the time when
those technologies are more available to thecommon citizen than they've ever been before,
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which means, if we, ifwe choose it, the so called information
monopolies have been broken. Now thereare efforts to to to regain control over
that because the people in charge,no, no, thereat, the time
of day, they know the threat. Okay, So now is the time
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for people to recognize that citizenship hasnever been more important than than it is
today, that the choices belong tous now, and that how how long
that windows stays is open is largelyup to us now. So by all
means, do not be afraid ofthe current situation. Literally, it's up
for grabs for everyone. You're notmore in the dark than the next person.
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Quite the contrary, We're all inthis together and I really do think
that now is the time to standup and be counted, and that may
mean that things get very very active, very very active. Don't be afraid,
you know, to get active.Whatever your cause is, whatever your
voice wants to say, say itnow, because if you sit back now,
things are going to get very scary, very much so. I think
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that this is the same kind ofthing that the German people face to note
and adult hitless Germany. The pointbeing is that so many people just let
things go to go along, toget along, and before you know what,
the government became so powerful and thingsgot out of hand until finally there
was no reason now to fight atall. I think we're fastly you're reaching
that point in our country where eventuallywe're going to be faced with either stand
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up now are not stand up atall. I want to make one quick
point from that. Don't forget Germany. What was there too is lots of
unemployment and people look at him asnothing. You know, that's when fascism
takes over. Do simple homework onsimple information. One of the most obvious
examples of the situation where in todayis the difference between the public perception about
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crime and the actual statistics about crime, and it is the public perception about
crime which is allowing all of thenew crime bills to be brought in,
all of the new repressive gun controllegislation to come in. It's not that
I suggest people carry guns. Idon't like guns, but the difference between
perception and reality is huge. Asa matter of fact, crime is way
down, way down. According tothe FBI, violent crime is nine percent
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lower today than it was in nineteeneighty one when it peaked out. And
yet if you ask the general public, what they're finding is more than eighty
percent of the public beliefs that crimeis at an all time high. Nothing
could be further from the truth.We're being fed a pack of bologny which
allows this kind of legislation to bedriven through, which becomes then the biggest
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issue on everybody's lips. But thefact is the society is getting safer,
not less safe, And we haveto understand that a little bit of simple
homework can show you that. Anytime. Go out and buy Money magazine this
month and you'll see what I'm talkingabout. Time after time after time.
These misconceptions allow these travesties of justiceand injustice to occur. Yeah, but
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at the same time you put thetelevision on. I do not even like
to watch news because I mean bysuit right, But that's what they put
that's what they put on television,and that creates an unreal time and it
takes yes and it takes our andthey do not focus really on the government.
They focus on the fear and gettinginto our own powers. Why do
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you think that the justice system inCalifornia is called the criminal justice system California
criminal justice. It's my perception thatwe are being given to justice by criminals,
and they tell us that they haveto let all of these people that
yeah, in administered by criminals,and they're telling us they have to leave
the let these murderers and people gofree because they don't have the room in
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the prisons. Yet, if theycatch you cheating ten dollars on your income
taxes, they'll find you in Afghanistanand bring you back and they'll have plenty
of room. So the point I'mmaking is that we've been lied to by
our government, and we're continually beinglied to about everything, and we're all
being led into the sphere and comingnew world order. And I'm saying it's
time to wake up and do somehomework. Yeah, to wake up to
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actually also not buy into the fear. Yeah, and get your own counted.
And I'm sorry we don't have anotherhour, but they only have thirty
seconds left. H what
Honey pulled. Hi, Welcome toViera's Past, Present, and Future.
Always busier before the show, soshe you caught me talking to a lot
of other people, But anyway,I'm on the air and my attention is
all on you. Tonight You're goingto talk with Jordan Maxwell and with Michael
Lindeman, and we're going to talkabout UFOs and the New World Order that
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should be of interest to everyone.And Michael Lindeman is the author of many
books UFOs and Alien Presence, andwe'll talk about that a little bit later.
And Jordan Maxwell, I hope lotsof you caught him on CBS.
He did Ancient Mysteries of the Worldand it was a most extremely interesting program.
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I enjoyed it very much. Itaped it, and I hope a
lot of you saw it, andthey'll talk a little bit about that,
but mainly we'll talk about the rolethe UFOs play or the alien present place
in that new world order. Sostay tuned. It will be a most
interesting show. And now introduction toour guests. He is a futurist social
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analyst. He's also an author anda lecturer. He is president of the
twenty twenty Group, a private researchorganizations that studying forces that shape our future.
He is dynamic, humorous and penetratingspeaker who enjoys challenging them skeptics as
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well as the believers. Please givea big hand to Michael Lindeman. Michael,
great to have you on the show. Very happy to be back.
Thank you, Ed. And mynext guest is no stranger to the show.
He is also an author, ateacher, and a lecturer on ancient
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religion and astrong mythology. And heis an expert in secret societies and symbols
and how they affect us today.So tonight we'll talk about UFOs and the
New World Order, and you havetwo experts on this panel here who will
tell you what our future holds.So please give a big hand to Jordan
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Maxwell. Jordan's great to have youon the show. It's always a pleasure
to have both of you on theshow because it's kind of kind of nice
because I know you're like a wellof information both of you and I kind
of can shut off and can allowyou to take over. Absolutely so,
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And MIKEA, I'm going to startwith you, how do you feel the
UFOs phenomena will fit into the NewWorld Order. Well ver, I've been
thinking about that a lot lately becauseI'm rewriting a paper by that title that
I first published in nineteen ninety two, and I realized that things had changed
so much even in the last twoyears that I had to look at the
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whole situation again. And I thinkby now probably everyone who hasn't been living
in a cave for the last tenyears realizes that our world is changing at
a tremendous rate of speed. AndI've been reading a lot of the sort
of the straight literature, not theesoteric stuff, but just the straight literature.
The newspapers and magazines and all ofthem are saying, and all the
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commentators and the political analysts are sayingthat with the end of the Cold War,
the world is now more uncertain,more unstable, more up for grabs,
and it's been in a very longtime. Okay. Now, some
people think that's very good, somepeople think it's not. But it's a
time when change is the only constant, and things on the unexpected is the
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most expected. Okay. Now,one thing they're not bringing in the straight
press is not bringing in except asin sort of in the joke column,
Okay, is the UFO phenomenon orI'd like to, for the sake of
your audience, throw out a newterm, a new acronym here. We've
been using UFO for five decades.It's loaded with baggage and it connotes in
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a lot of people's minds kind ofgoofy pseudoscience, you know what I mean.
So what we've realized by now is, first of all, even though
it's extremely strange, it's not goofy. In fact, some recent studies have
demonstrated that even people who claim tohave had onboard experiences, who claim to
see aliens literally in their bedroom orin their backyard, these people, from
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a clinical point of view, forthe most part, are not crazy at
all. Quite the contrary, they'reintelligence capable, successful people, white collar
workers, most of them, collegeeducated, most of them. In fact,
it's an amazingly high level group ofpeople who are reporting the most extraordinary
experiences. Now, some people wantus to believe that the UFO subject is
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nothing but lunatics with goofy ideas,So we're finding out clinically that isn't true.
At the same time, people who'vebeen studying the phenomenon are convinced that
there is a, let's say,a secret level to our government and to
other governments where it is recognized thatthe UFO phenomenon is not only real but
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really important. So the big questionis, if all of the politicos and
political analysts and everyone who's talking aboutthe new world order knows that the world
is changing at breakneck speed, howdoes this big secret fit in? Okay,
Well, now, to be perfectlyfrank with you, I have to
say I don't know, but Ihave a suspicion that it fits in in
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a very very big way. Thathas always been a very very big problem,
and that what we're looking for isa reorganization of government and of public
opinion which allows us to start tellingthe truth about the UFO phenomenon, because
right now it is probably the singlebiggest political hot potato that we've got,
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and I know the Georgian's got somethings to say about that, so I
want to pitch him the ball nowand we can come back. But I
really think that it's it's the largestunspoken, unacknowledged political problem looming on the
horizon which is going to change theway the future comes out. I'm always
amazed that I still run into peoplewho say, I don't believe in it.
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It's all bullshit, you know,I mean really like it, you
know, And to me it isjust why do we think we should be
the only one? It doesn't evenmake sense to me in this galaxy that
Earth should be the only one thatlife. And you'll get back to the
faith on Mars and all that.But Jordan, that your symbols and mysticism,
and of course I love your articlein the book, in this book,
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and that the book your church doesnot want to you to read.
How does the UFO phenomena fit orwhat do you see as a new world
order? Well, how if wego back into ancient history and follow the
march of world history from even priorto the Samarians, but especially from Samaria
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than Egypt and Phoenicia and all ofthe ancient cultures coming down to our modern
day. There has never existed oneculture on the earth that did not recognize
the gods and the gods who werebehind the kings, and the great gods
who were behind all things. Notone culture has ever existed that did not
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recognize that there were higher forces atwork on the earth. There is no
doubt in my mind our government asalso very keenly aware of the existence of
higher intelligistence. And I recall,as I have brought out in your program
before that my mother's uncle worked atthe Vatican Secretary of State's office in and
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in that capacity he was privy tomany things going on in the world of
intrigue and international politics, and thethings he used to talk about when I
was a child, about the occultor hidden wisdom behind the world scene,
and the hidden implications of the symbolsand emblems, and the religious philosophies,
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and how all these things are allenmeshed in politics, and there even within
the Christian and Jewish religion, thereis much proof in the Bible of the
existence of angels or spirit creatures whoare influencing man's destiny. So I have
no problem with believing that there issome sort of a extraterrestrial if you will,
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intelligence, because just even the knowledgethat the ancient Sumerians, for instance,
and the Egyptians had about our universe, about the whole concept of the
procession of the equinox, how thesun moves backwards in the signs, and
the different astrological symbols, and theastrological terms and there's just too much occult
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or hidden knowledge that was known bythe ancients that could not have been just
intuitive, had to have been fromsomeone out there who brought the knowledge to
us. And there's a lot ofvery good scholarship that's proving that there has
been some sort of a connection betweenus and other life forms from out there.
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So I think it can be proving. Yeah, but how would this
how do you see in your opinion, and Michael, you can answer it
to and your opinion, how doyou see this kind of getting into fined
within New World government? Well,first of all, I want to echo
something that Jordan has said because Irealized I started the thought that I didn't
complete a minute ago, and thatwas that when we use the term UFO,
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it's as if we're talking about ourcars. If if some beings from
another planet came here and went backhome and said, boy, if they
got great cars, and they said, well that's nice, how about the
people. No, No, thecars they're great, Okay. It's like
that when we talk about UFOs,we're actually talking about contact with non human
intelligence. It could be gods,it could be angels, it could be
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aliens, it could be extraterrestrials,it could be interdimensionals. We don't know
what it looks like. Is we'reright at the threshold of realizing that we
belong to this wildly diverse population ofintelligent inhabitants of this maybe right here,
of this planet, even things thatlive here, that have lived here longer
than we have. Even Okay,now, how does it fit in?
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It's problematic. If you look atthe spread of opinion about the new World
Order, there's you could say,the politically correct view held by people like
say Henry Kissinger on the one hand, and then there's all of the shades
of radical view that kind of spreadout from there that get more and more
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conspiratorial, and a lot of itgets very very religious, very tied,
for example, to apocalyptic Christianity andso forth. Now I have decided that
I can only speak to the rangeof opinion and can and cannot say right
there, that part, that's theright part right there. I can't do
that, and I don't think it'sfair to do that, because we have
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a great many different people helping uspaint a very complex picture here. But
generally we're faced with two a numberof different problems. Problem Number one,
Are we actually in control of thisplanet or not? All right? And
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I believe that as far as wepractically speaking here on Earth, the people
of this planet, that may turnout to be the fundamental challenging issue of
our time. Are we actually incharge of this planet or not? Or
are we someone else's science experiment,someone else's political ghetto, someone else's someone
else's petrie dish okay, someone else'spenal colony. There are many definitions that
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have been applied to this situation whichare extremely problematic. I don't want to
arouse any religious conniption fits here,but I have been puzzling about it,
just as Jordan said, been puzzlinga lot about the various religious traditions of
the world, all of whom havepantheons of gods who are described remarkably the
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same time after time after time.And where the way it turns out is
it looks an awful lot, asif as if the gods were not God
capital g some entirely transcendental almighty onesuper thing, but actually a technologically sophisticated
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being or group of beings more likely, who came in set up shop,
got everyone to build temples and landingfields and pyramid structures which actually helped them
to guide or maybe even channel energyin and so forth, and became the
pantheons that we today call mythological,but in those days were absolutely real.
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And one of those gods I thinkhas been figured has figured very large in
our in our existence, and thatis the god known as Yahweh. Okay,
yeah, okay. Now is thatgod capital g Jehovah? You know,
the one almighty High Hansho. Maybe, But the amazing thing is Yahweh
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sounds an awful lot, like alike a rather irascible warlord. If you
read the literature, absolutely okay,and you say to yourself, you know,
one of the most fascinating things aboutthe relationship between the ancient Hebrews and
Yahweh was the ancient Hebrews were alwaysdisobeying Yahweh. Yah. I mean,
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isn't that why the Hebrews? Whyisn't that why? We say why why?
Today? The big myth is theJews were always in trouble because they
were always going against God. Ihad this idea the other day. I
was thinking to myself, maybe it'sbecause they had it right. Maybe it's
because Yahweh was a real real jerk, you know. And you know,
and and the Jews, being avery very wilful, very smart people,
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said, I don't want to followthis guy. You know, he's got
great saucers, and he's got greatguns, and he's got you know,
he's got he does flames really good. Okay, but you know he's he's
a really he's a jerk. Wedon't like this guy. Now, the
Balloonians had their gods, and theSumerians had their gods. The Egyptians had
their gods. We had Yahweh.What did the gods do? They battled
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each other, but you know whenthey were working, they were off raping
people and you know, and burningother people's villages down and stuff like that.
I mean, it's also in theBible. Okay. If we're going
to take the Bible literally, wemight as well take it literally and say,
okay, now, what does thistell us about today? What it
tells us about today is a numberof things. First of all, mythology
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is a very tricky business. Andmythology is always happening. We're in a
time today when we're building new mythology, okay, and the mythology is going
to in a sense supersede some ofthe old mythology. But we're at a
time today when you might say thesky is opening up and possibilities. We
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didn't ever imagine a raining down onus. And it's going to get very
very surprising, very surprising. Okay, scary maybe scary, maybe surprising,
definitely. I think when we startto meet the gods, and I think
we will, we're going to findout that they're not as nice as we
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want them to be, and they'renot as powerful as they want us to
think they are. But they dopose a challenge fundamentally right down bottom line,
is this our planet or not?And I think that this is a
very good reason for people to situp and pay attention, because we whether
you believe in aliens or not,whether you believe in the Illuminati or not,
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we do have to answer the fundamentalquestion are we willing to take responsibility
for this planet? That is thequestion of the day. Whether you're an
environmentalist or whether you're talking about recapturingthe democratic process, whatever your particular angle
is, the question is are youwilling to take responsibility for this planet or
not? Because there are people,and there are beings out there who are
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wrestling for control of this planet.I'm sure of that, and that I
believe is where that intersection is occurring. At that point, I'd like to
yeah, you also let me justthat you write something about that, that
we are going into a new aged and it goes up behind. Well,
yes, and that's according to theBible, because I believe the Bible
is telling us an encoded story.I think there's more to the story than
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has met the eye. But onone point I wanted to bring out is
that in both the All and NewTestament of the Bible and all of the
Bible all in New Testament, thereare only two scriptures in the entire Bible
where the word God is used,and of course it's used all the way
through. There are only two scriptureswhere that word God it means a nebulous,
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all encompassing, divine spiritual force inthe universe. Only two scriptures mean
that all of the scriptures in theBible that talk about God means actual entities
more than one, right, morethan one, and more than one.
And that's why even excuse me,more than one, because in Genesis one
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one it is a mistranslation to sayin the beginning, God created the heavens
and the earth. That is notwhat it says. In Hebrew. It
says in the beginning, Eloheim createdthe universe, So created heavens in the
earth. Elohim is God in theplural more than one. That's why later
on in Genesis one our Genesis two, God says, come let us make
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man and our image according to ourlikeness. Now here's an interesting point.
The rabbis that I have talked withsay that there are two different ways to
understand that scripture that says in Genesistwo, God said, come let us
make man in our image according toour likeness. There is the one way
that we understand that, which iswe are reading it to say that God
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is saying to someone, let's makea creature, call man, and we'll
call him. We'll call him man. Let's make a creature and we'll make
him to look like us, orhave our attributes or whatever or it could
be saying. And the rabbis believeit is actually saying. The emphasis should
be on different words, come letus make man in our image according to
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our likeness, implying that man's alreadyhere, but for being so great he's
not that great. So someone isstepping in and intervening in our evolution and
saying, let's take man and makehim in our image. Let's fix him.
Let's fix him because right now he'sprogressing, but it's going to take
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him another million years to figure outwhat's going on. Why don't we take
a male and a female, takethem over and do something with them genetically,
put them in an area. Becausethe Bible does not say that God
created man in the garden of Eden. It says God created the God's created
man and put him into the garden. And when they left the garden,
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they left and found people out there. It says so in the Bible,
Okay, they were all around thegarden were people. And when Adam and
Eve Watoll had two sons, Cainand Abel. When Cain kills his brother
Abel, God says, you haveto leave out of this particled area.
Caine says to God in the scriptures, do not send me out there,
because anyone finding me out there isgoing to kill me. Now he's got
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God believing this somebody out there,because God says, no, I'm not
going to let them kill you.I'll put a mark on you now,
God believes is somebody out there.The point is that there must have been
people out already there, but notas highly developed and not highly evolved,
so that it would would be reasonableif you took a caveman or Neanderthal race
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of people and took too well,and then through some sort of a high
technology genetically change them and evolved themquickly, and then send you back out
into a Neanderthal civilization. Now you'regoing to be totally different, and they're
going to remember that you left andnow you come back different. It all
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smacks of something else that's in theBible that we haven't been told. So
let's let's get this the new worldorder. You see it? Do you
see it as a breakdown of thereligion and are thinking or how we've been
been taught, or do you actuallysee it? They will come back and
someone else will rule us. We'lltalk about this in just a few minutes.
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We'll take a very short break andthey'll be right back. Hi,
welcome back to Algeia's Past, present, and future into our great guest Michael
Lindeman and Jordan Maxwell. And I'mgonna let you answer that question that I
just asked before we went in abreak. I also want to remind you
in a few minutes we will takeany phone calls that you have, and
we will take audience participation. Soplease then, Mike should be there.
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Just raise your hand and let meknow when you're ready to speak. Okay,
Michael, you said you'd comment onthat. Part of the problem.
Part of the problem that we face, Elvera is of course that government is
not a single thing. Government ismany layers, and some of the higher
layers are doing things that the lowerlayers, meaning the people we elect,
don't know about. At the higherlevels, I am now convinced that,
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first of all, there is knowledgethat these very large global issues involving non
human intelligences are really looming, andthere's always been a management problem, how
to tell the people, how tocontrol what may happen, and so forth.
It raises a number of disturbing questions. Is any part of our government
actually working with aliens? If youwant to use a shorthand term, it's
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not a good term, but let'ssay aliens. The answer there is hard
to be sure of. I'm leaningin the direction of saying yes, probably
at the very least. I'm nowconvinced that that level of government has quasi
military agencies, maybe not our regularmilitary, but certainly quasi military groups and
agencies monitoring the alien situation very verycarefully. Now, if we look at
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the range of alien type activities,we see everything from stuff that looks really
bad to stuff that looks potentially verygood. You showed me something when we
started, before we started the show, this is this message from the so
called Ashtar Command. Now, I'velooked into the Ashtar Command, and I
don't want to scandalize anybody, becausethere's people watching this who are absolutely sure
that messages like this are, youknow, absolutely true, absolutely true.
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I'm not going to say they're notabsolutely true. I'm going to say that
they're one part of a very complicatedpicture. This basically is saying the Ashtar
Command is going to land on theWhite House lawn. They literally say that
it's going to happen this year,and they're going to give us, the
people, an opportunity to choose whetherwe want help from the aliens. Because
our world is into serious trouble,it's being polluted and so forth, and
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we've messed it up. They canhelp us if we want their help.
Now I want to tell you veryinteresting story very quickly, and then let
Jordan go here. There's a wonderfulresearcher. She is a PhD researcher named
Carla Turner who has just written avery important book, and I hope that
some of your listeners will go outand get it. It's called Taken Inside
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the Human Alien Abduction Agenda. Oneof the things this woman, and she's
an abductee herself, one of thethings that she's pointing out is that a
lot of abductees are seeing situations inwhich the humans are showing up human beings
military, many often dressed in militaryor showing up in abduction scenarios as if
they are invited to observe or evenperhaps participating. It raises some very scary
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problems. But I want to mentionone particular thing that happened to her.
She had her experiences were so alarmingto her, and they happened over many
years, and they're happening to herhusband as well, that she began to
pray, and she's not a religiousperson, she broke down and she said,
I'm gonna pray about this, Okay, there must be somebody up there
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listening. She said, please tellme what's really going on, and she
had an extraordinary experience. She said, it was like a dream, but
it was so lucid that she knewit was not a dream. And in
fact, in the middle of it, she literally came out of the state
she was in, got up themiddle of the night, got up,
went to the bathroom, looked ather watch, sat down to think about
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it, and at that very secondshe was back in it. Now what
was happening? She was being shownover and over and over again. A
biblical story of Jacob and Esau.The biblical story of Jacob and Esau was
the story where Isaac the elder wasdying. Esa the older son, had
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given away his birthright to the youngerson Jacob. When Esau was starving,
Jacob said, I've got food.You give me your birthright. You can
have some food. Oh the motherdeceived. Then then then that was the
side deal. Then when it cametime when Isaac was leap, when he
was dying, when it came time, Jacob went in put a capskin on
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his arm so that the father Isaac, who was now blind, would say,
this is my son Esau, whohas the hairy body. Okay,
all right, now. They showedher this story over and over and over
again. They said, do youunderstand what we're telling you. This is
not about the Bible. This isabout what has happened on your planet.
This is how it went. Thisis a symbol. Listened carefully. Esa
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was the original Humana gave up hisbirthright, not because he wanted to,
but because he was manipulated. Jacobis the new human. Okay, Jacob
was given this by an act ofGod, if you will, but it
was born of deception. This isthe story. It is happening again.
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They went further, very important,because here we have this story here where
the Ashtar command is going to comein in peace and love and light and
save us from our stupidity. Thesebeings said to Carla Turner, you will
hear stories that the aliens are goingto present themselves as your savior at the
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time when you are no longer ableto run your own affairs. They will
come in in peace and love andlight. They will seem god like.
They will want to save you.They will offer you the option, these
beings said to her. Don't buyit. You fell for it once.
Don't fall for it again. Theysaid, if you really want to know
what's happening, there are lots ofoptions out there, and now you must
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choose if you are going to giveit away again, or if you are
going to say, not this time, We'll do this ourselves. We'll show
we can, We'll show we're strongenough, we'll show we're willing to be
that kind of smart, that kindof discipline. Not again, you will
not take it from us again.Now, I happen to feel that that
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is a very possible correct interpretation ofthe situation, that we're going to be
chart We're gonna be challenged to reallyuse our discrimination this time and thinking not
just give our power away. Jordan'scomment on that, because this is right
up here, Allie, all thisit certainly is, because I had not
heard the story before. But itcertainly strikes a note with me, because
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I am aware that the ancients wereled by other worldly knowledge to set up
what we today call the zodiac,the astronological symbols of the zodiac, and
that each one of these two thousand, two hundred and fifty years, whatever
it is, it's a little overtwo thousand years for each one of the
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cycles of the zodiac, the signswhen the sun comes into each one of
the zodiological signs. We are inthat sign for a little over two thousand
years, and according to astrology,we have been in the age of Pisces.
And that was, of course,Jesus was the great fisherman the fishes
on the back of Christian cars.The fish, of course was Pisces.
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And then Jesus says to his apostlesand Luke twenty two ten when asked,
where are we going to go whenwe leave for the last passover? Where
do we go next? And Jesussays to his twelve, which is interesting
that it was twelve apostles, yes, because of the twelve signs as the
zodiac. He says, go intothe city and you will see a man
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with the water pitcher. And gointo the house with the man with the
water pitcher. We're talking about theSun, God's son, the light of
the world, the Sun, sayingto his twelve, the next sign we
will go into is the man withthe water pitcher. Now, what I'm
saying in relation to what he broughtout is that when now talking about a
new world order, a novas odosiklorum, which comes from Virgil, incidentally,
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the Roman poet Virgil. But itseems as though we are being set
up to accept something that's coming tobe a great new world order kingdom of
the gods. The gods are goingto come back. And I think what
Michael was saying as very germane tomy research, that we are being set
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up to accept something as a greatand new world order kingdom in which all
mankind will live in peace and harmony. I think we're being set up for
something very serious and very big bysome very powerful secret societies that very well
could have extraterrestrial or other world intelligenceguiding it. I am very fearful for
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the world we live in because webought it hook line and sinker, and
all over the world we have acceptedthe authority as truth rather than true as
the authority. And I think whatMichael was saying is exactly right. I
think we are being led into andwe do have other options, but it's
going to require intellect, knowledge,study, and making a stand for the
first time not to accept the thingswhich your government gives you, which your
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religions give you, and which theauthorities give you. Because as far as
I'm concerned, I have a verybig problem with anyone called an authority because
they're always nebulous, faceless, andwe don't know who they are. And
the authorities say, I'm tired ofauthorities. I want to know who's behind
this new world order? Who putthe Egyptian pyramid on the dollar bill?
What is the implication of Jesus beingthe chief cornerstone that the builders rejected?
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And the Greek word chief cornerstone meansa triangle on top of a pyramid.
Do your homework and you're going tofind out there's something going on here in
the Bible in world affairs, andI think we're being led by some very
powerful intellects. I have some verybig questions about all of this, and
the House of Hearts is going tosolve now. I wanted too quickly because
I do want to put out thatyou have written several books, and I
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have one of them here, andI wanted to say you stick strictly to
facts, though, because I knowI read the book, you do not
use this mythology simply because that's whatyou chose to do as another book book
in the words, yes, oryou will use more of this type of
story that you just told us orthese types of yes. The answer to
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your question is yes, and I'lltell you why. As I said at
the beginning of the show, Icannot say that this part is true and
the rest is not. Okay,what I can say is that there is
this very powerful conversation occurring which isshaping a new mythology, whether we like
it or not. I'm not sayingit's true, but I am saying it's
powerful. I'm saying it's happening,it's occurring, and behind every mythology,
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I no Jordan will agree with this. Behind every mythology, there are surprising
truths. There are things that aretrue, and you have to have to
dig down through the levels of interpretation. But I do believe that in the
mythologies of the gods there were trueencounters with quasi divine, superpowerful beings.
I believe that we see this occurringtoday. I am inclined, yes,
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definitely, to stick to the facts, but we have to realize too that
it is not just facts the drivehistory forward. But what I'm trying to
say is you started out with reallysticking to facts and just doing research,
and you're kind of as you gotall the facts you drew different conclusions.
Yes, And I want to sayagain, I am trying to present a
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range of possibilities, not saying thatany one of these possibilities is a fact,
but that if we start to tryto understand what the facts add up
to, we start to see thesevery large, complex pictures. Okay,
we are in a time of hugeuncertainty. No matter who you ask,
you'll get that answer definitely. Andwhat is driving the uncertainty are some of
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the most extraordinary, unacknowledged things thatwe have ever encountered. And I believe
it some of those things are thethings we've been talking about. I would
add one very quick thing. Ishare Jordan's view that a lot of the
so called religious authority is going tocome into serious question in the future.
But I would also like to pointout that the woman whose story I just
told you is not a religious woman, quite the contrary. But she took
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in effect a spiritual leap of faithby sitting down against her common practice,
sitting down and praying. And whenshe opened herself and said I really need
some help here, I really needto know what the heck is going on,
she got this extraordinary response, whichwas crystal clear, which took her
all night long. She was carriedup into this event and it was absolutely
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crystal clear to her. Now,what I get from that is that sometimes
spiritual truth arrives in unexpected packages,okay, and it is there to be
found. I am not rejecting thatone bit. I just think that we
should not jump to the most handyor most comforting spiritual truth that happens to
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be lying around. Yeah. Really, you're going to take a call Eva,
you're on the airline one. Hello, Yes, a gentleman. Have
you ever heard or read missus Blavatska. She's Helena Petrovna Boski. Yes,
yes, I have all of herworks. You have, yes, Well,
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that's why, yes, I thinkher her Her best work was Icy's
Unveiled Part two, which is theologyright, and that was an exceptional work.
I think that Helena Petrovna Bolotsky,the Russian mystic, was a very
wise and perceptive lady, and shehad some very profound knowledge. Obviously in
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her academic achievements were extraordinary, andso I have a very high respect for
the work of Helena Bovotsky. Itdoes not necessarily have to me that I
follow every single thing that she believed. But I believe her work was monumental
in even did you have a certainquestion that you wanted to ask her?
Well, because everything that she wroteabout now it's like an echo. I
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don't care. There is a lotof cinematity. You right, great,
Thanks for sharing. Thank you.I think it's interesting she said in the
eighteen nineties that in the nineteen nineties, she said, in one hundred years,
we're going to have a whole newexplosion of understanding that's going to stagger
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the imagination of religionists and people ofreligion and people who really just haven't looked
at these subjects very They're going tobe forced to look at some very powerful
facts concerning our existence on this earth. And I am really very much dedicated
to the proposition that we have to, as human beings, do some homework.
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We had better find out where thesereligious ideas have come from, concepts
and belief systems have come from,because, as I had brought out in
your program many times before, therewas a definite collusion between government and religion
in this world that we live intoday, and especially in America. Is
that true? Yes? And secretsocieties behind both Yes, absolutely, if
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you'll take another call, Michael lyingto you're under here? Hello, Hello,
Michael, are you there? Hello? Yes? Yes? Do you
have you ever read the book Beholdthe Tale Horse by Milton William Cooper?
Yes. I was a guest onWilliam Cooper's program a couple of times.
I've had dinner with him. Iknow him well. I've read his book,
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and so I find it to bea very fascinating book and it has
a lot of very important material inthere. Yes, you do know that
they did burn down the station whenhe predicted they were going to kill the
people at at wake Over, andthat's what I heard. I don't know
if that. Yeah, it's doctor. Have you read the book Inside the
New Age Nightmare by Randall and Bayer? Yeah? I have the book,
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I just haven't got in. Hewas recently eliminated to he's dead now.
And also as for Ray Rennick,I'm afraid that he's a victim of what
they call the head on a post, a syringe, a shot that they
give you to eliminate people like himthat bring great truth out. And incidentally,
many people in Santa Barbara under surveillance, many many people since the sixty
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Blueprint, Blue Project blue Book hadan office at the UCSP and then there
was a connection with the Center forthe Study of Democratic Institutions, which was
funded by the Rockefellers. Sabe BrazinskiKissinger used to go there. All these
people used to go there. WhenI was sixteen years old, I worked
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there. Let me let me atthis point, when the President of the
United States gives his State of theUnion message in that hall at you will
see almost every night on television someonegiving a lecture or a speech on something
at that large caucus room. Thereare both sides of the podium. Are
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two symbols of political power in America, and they're called fasciiyes. They are
mundle of sticks with a hatchet head, and they are the symbols of world
fascism. As I have brought outin your program before, I think that
we are in our country and ourpeople are in the hands of some very
very powerful secret societies. Symbols offascism, Nazism, communism are all around
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us, and we don't even knowwhat these symbols mean. And so that's
what I'm saying. And I alsoam a firm believer that there's some sort
of a connection between Nazism, fascism, communism, and secret societies. I
think that can be proven. Thenagain, to take the next step,
I think behind secret societies as somevery powerle will intellects manipulating us as a
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people in our country and perhaps allthroughout the world. I really need to
throw in a sort of a differentkind of a curveball here, especially when
a gentleman like this calls and describespeople who've been killed and so forth.
We do know, of course thatpeople have been intimidated, some people have
been treated very severely. That's beentrue in other countries, it's been true
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here as well. But I thinkwe should not allow ourselves to be overly
intimidated by that. We're coming toa time when we really have an opportunity
to be very vocal about whether ornot we want the world to come out
the way we want it or not. We're going to have to stand up
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and be counted. And I thinkthat now is not the time to say,
well, someone got killed and thereforewe should hide and run away.
Not at all. I think thatwe're at a time when we have more
democratic possibilities than we've ever had before. This program is an indication, for
example, that we can do literallyon a shoestring with volunteer help. We
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can do good television, and wecan have you know, significant conversations week
after week. We're getting more andmore opportunities for self publishing. We're getting
more and more opportunities for work onthe computer networks, which allow people to
share more information more rapidly than everbefore. And now is the time when
those technologies are more available to thecommon citizen than they've ever been before,
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which means, if we, ifwe choose it, the so called information
monopolies have been broken. Now thereare efforts to to to regain control over
that because the people in charge,no, no, thereat, the time
of day, they know the threat. Okay, So now is the time
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for people to recognize that citizenship hasnever been more important than than it is
today, that the choices belong tous now, and that how how long
that windows stays is open is largelyup to us now. So by all
means, do not be afraid ofthe current situation. Literally, it's up
for grabs for everyone. You're notmore in the dark than the next person.
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Quite the contrary, We're all inthis together and I really do think
that now is the time to standup and be counted, and that may
mean that things get very very active, very very active. Don't be afraid,
you know, to get active.Whatever your cause is, whatever your
voice wants to say, say itnow, because if you sit back now,
things are going to get very scary, very much so. I think
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that this is the same kind ofthing that the German people face to note
and adult hitless Germany. The pointbeing is that so many people just let
things go to go along, toget along, and before you know what,
the government became so powerful and thingsgot out of hand until finally there
was no reason now to fight atall. I think we're fastly you're reaching
that point in our country where eventuallywe're going to be faced with either stand
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up now are not stand up atall. I want to make one quick
point from that. Don't forget Germany. What was there too is lots of
unemployment and people look at him asnothing. You know, that's when fascism
takes over. Do simple homework onsimple information. One of the most obvious
examples of the situation where in todayis the difference between the public perception about
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crime and the actual statistics about crime, and it is the public perception about
crime which is allowing all of thenew crime bills to be brought in,
all of the new repressive gun controllegislation to come in. It's not that
I suggest people carry guns. Idon't like guns, but the difference between
perception and reality is huge. Asa matter of fact, crime is way
down, way down. According tothe FBI, violent crime is nine percent
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lower today than it was in nineteeneighty one when it peaked out. And
yet if you ask the general public, what they're finding is more than eighty
percent of the public beliefs that crimeis at an all time high. Nothing
could be further from the truth.We're being fed a pack of bologny which
allows this kind of legislation to bedriven through, which becomes then the biggest
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issue on everybody's lips. But thefact is the society is getting safer,
not less safe, And we haveto understand that a little bit of simple
homework can show you that. Anytime. Go out and buy Money magazine this
month and you'll see what I'm talkingabout. Time after time after time.
These misconceptions allow these travesties of justiceand injustice to occur. Yeah, but
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at the same time you put thetelevision on. I do not even like
to watch news because I mean bysuit right, But that's what they put
that's what they put on television,and that creates an unreal time and it
takes yes and it takes our andthey do not focus really on the government.
They focus on the fear and gettinginto our own powers. Why do
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you think that the justice system inCalifornia is called the criminal justice system California
criminal justice. It's my perception thatwe are being given to justice by criminals,
and they tell us that they haveto let all of these people that
yeah, in administered by criminals,and they're telling us they have to leave
the let these murderers and people gofree because they don't have the room in
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the prisons. Yet, if theycatch you cheating ten dollars on your income
taxes, they'll find you in Afghanistanand bring you back and they'll have plenty
of room. So the point I'mmaking is that we've been lied to by
our government, and we're continually beinglied to about everything, and we're all
being led into the sphere and comingnew world order. And I'm saying it's
time to wake up and do somehomework. Yeah, to wake up to
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actually also not buy into the fear. Yeah, and get your own counted.
And I'm sorry we don't have anotherhour, but they only have thirty
seconds left. H what
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