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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But thank you all for being here. And yeah, it
was a very important point that he made that I
want to remake is that evolution is not the subject
that we should be looking at creationism. I don't have
any problem with creationism at all. I think there's a

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lot of legitimacy to creationism. But in relation to how
we humans got here on the Earth, I think the
subject is intervention rather than evolution, because I'm totally convinced
for myself that we today are someone else's creation. Someone

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created us, and whoever created us, they're watching us now,
and there very well might be evil entities also who
are watching us and trying to miss lead the whole
creation of mankind. So it's a very interesting subject. But

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excuse me, but Christians have talked about God creating man me.
But many years ago I talked with one of the
leading rabbis in America. This is back in the sixties,
and he helped me to understand a lot of things
about what the Book of Genesis was saying. And it

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became obvious to me that generally speaking, nothing in the
Book of Genesis that we Christians and the Christian civilization
have understood about Genesis was true none of it, because
it's an encoded message. There's a lot of encoded stuff
that the Rabbis know, but they're not telling us, telling

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the Jews either. But there's a lot of interesting stuff
in Genesis. So let's get on with it because it'll
be self explanatory. So I call this God did not
create Mad. And of course we're going to talk about
the Bible, and incidentally, that's where I'm going to from

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now on. I'm more interested now in the cosmic implications
of where we are in life and who we are
and where we're going. I'm not interested in politics. I'm
not interested in in the mundane world that we live in.
I'm very concerned about the spiritual implications of where we

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are as humans and what is God? And what is
the cosmic implications of where we are in history. There
are some very serious things coming down on the earth,
and we need to wake up and find out. Has
nothing to do with politics. It has to do with
something going on out there. And that's what the knights
templates said as above, so below, whatever was happening to

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us down here is because something is happening in the heavens.
And I've always been interested in theology. But now I'm
concentrating on nothing but theology now. So anyway, it was
gonna be dealing with the Bible, both the Old and
New Testament, and of course Genesis. In the first chapter

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of Genesis is in the beginning, God created the heavens
and the earth. Well, in the beginning, God created the
heavens and the earth. But you need to understand that
the Bible reference works goes on to say the beginning
that God created the heavens and the earth means the

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beginning of the heavens and the earth, which are now
because nobody knows when the universe was created, but the
heavens and the earth that we live on now. This
is a story in the Bible of the times which
we are living, you know, modern day man, and the
heavens and the earth in which we are living in now.

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So when you want to talk about God creating the universe,
when nobody knows anything about that, we don't know how
far back that goes. So the first point I wanted
to make is that when we talk about in the
beginning God, well, the first things first, God, what are
you talking about when you say God? Well, in Hebrew,

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the word God is l e l L and Hebrew
is God. But that's not the word that is used
in Genesis one one. That's not e l. So we
need to define terms. What does the word God meet
in the old Original Old Testament Hebrew language for God

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and the in the Genesis one one in the beginning,
God created heavens and the earth. No, it's not God.
E L is God, but the actual word in Genus
is one one in the original Hebrew is l Lohim.
L Lahim is basically like putting an s on the

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end of an English word. Where you have car and
then you add an ass, it becomes cars more than one. Well,
putting lahim on the end of L means in the
plural more than one. So the correct translation should be
in the beginning, L Lohim created the heavens in the earth.

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And this is coming from the O JB Bible, which
is the original Jewish Bible, and which the Hebrew says
in the beginning, L Lohim created the heavens in the earth. Well,
of course God in Hebrew and genuis one one is Elhim.
Here's the important point about all of this is that God,

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the Hebrew word Elohim in genus is one. One is
a plural meaning more than one. So we're seen from
different religious literature scripture studies. Outlines says God Elohim is
top of the page says the word Elohim is a
plural word and Hebrew plural form of a noun is

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an i am ot. Elohim is a plural form of eloa.
On the bottom, it says it is interesting to note
that even Olohim is plural, the Hebrew dictionary still translates
that God instead of gods. And that's because of the
influence of the Christian world on Judaism during the Middle Ages.

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The Church decided what the Bible is going to say
and what it is not going to say, and any
Jews that get in the way will be you know,
they will be done away with quickly. So the Church
kind of change things around to fit the new dispensation
in the new Christian movement, and so they just call
it God in the beginning God creative. No, it's Elohim,

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God's more than one. From other dictionaries and biblical dictionaries,
we see eloheim the basic form God. God's is the
plural form of l as i said Unger's dictionary the
plural form of Elohim. So one of the bottom line
on all of this is it says, look up the
word God in the concordance, and under the heading you

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will find a list of all the verses where you
can find the word God in the King James version,
and notice that the verse begins with Genesis one one,
God made the heavens on the earth. But to the
right of the verse and number four thirty of that
word Elohim. Turned to the Hebrew and Chaldy dictionary in
the back of the concordance, look up the number four

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thirty and you will find that the word Eloheim as
used in Genesis one one one finds Elohim. And on
the bottom it says, you can now read Elohim in
Genesis one one by reading the text like this. In
the beginning, Elohim made the heavens in the earth. Strong's
definition of Elohim, as you will see as a plural now,

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and it goes on to talk about this divine counsel
of beings, even the very sons of God. Bene Elohim
was an uncomfortable one for the ancient Jews. After the
Babylonian captivity because it directly shows Thepolotheism which was later
shunned even stamped out. What changes in the scriptures to
erase any lingering traces through these world though they are

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not always successfully destroyed. This is clearly seen in the
Morgensterens analysis as he tries to downplay the significance of
Elohim being plural with a rather weak contention Psalms in
the Book of Psalms twenty nine and eighty nine were
where we read Bene Elohim is actually an artificial double

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plural formation of a singular ben L. Morgenstein admits that
this attempt to making making the plural into a singular
was doing the post extyle Jewish theological thought because they
felt The Jews felt the need to reduce as much
as possible the extreme polytheism of the original benet L.

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What this is basically saying is that the beginning of
the Jewish faith understood that there were many gods and
so and so, but they tried to change it when
Christianity was coming in change it into one God. Can't
do that. The word is Elohim. It means plural. Period.
So here's another quote, and God created man in his

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own image. But the Hebrew word Elohim is a plural form,
so h reference or condction. Also see God septuagen Alohim
is a common name for God. It is a plural
form meaning more than one. Here in the actual Hebrew
translation in an Old Testament Hebrew Bible, where it says

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Elohim said we shall make man uh. And now what
is we? You know? And here God says we are
we shall make man in our image and our likeness.
Now remember Moses and the ten commandments. Moses with the
ten commandments, what was the first commandment? I'm the Lord,

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your God, who brought you out of the land of
Egypt or the house of bondage. And you shall have
no other gods before me. Nowhere in the Bible does
God see there are no other gods. He just lived
in morning gods before me. That's like I would say
to my girlfriend. You know, there's a lot of men
out there, but I don't want to see anyone before me. Right,

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So there's a lot of mouth there, but you just remember.
So this is why the you and the I think
it's Exodus twenty, no Genesis twenty, where it talks about
Nos Exodus twenty, where it has the Ten Commandments, that
says thou shalt have no other gods before me, doesn't

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say there are no other gods. And here's the way.
It says, in different translations, same thing, no other gods
before me. There shall be no other gods. And even
in the OJV, the original Jewish Bible says there shall
be no El Lohim in my presence. So let's see
Diuteronomy eleven says, take heed to yourselves, that you that

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your heart not be deceived. You turn aside and serve
other gods and worship them. So the Bible, even the
Old Testament, admits that there are other gods. It just
God doesn't. But Yahweh did not want the Hebrews to
worship any other God but him, But there are plenty
of gods. First, you need to know that the people
we call the ancient Hebrews were not actually Hebrews as such,

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what we call today the Hebrews were in fact Phoenicians
and Canaanites. And so the people we call Hebrews today
speak a language which is the Phoenician language. But since
Hebrews speak it, we call that Hebrew. It's like saying
that here in America we speak the American language. No,

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we don't speak American, we speak English. We are Americans,
but we speak English. Well. The same kind of idea
as true with the calling saying that the Hebrews today
speak speak a language called Hebrew. No they do not.
The language is called the Phoenician Canaanite language, but the
Hebrews speak it. That's very important. Remember. So here's an

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article in a Jewish publication and the Judaism, and it says,
it is the faith that the people of Judah is
the development of the faith of the Semitic people, well
known as Hebrews or Israelites. It is recognized that the
first religious tradition noted for its monotheism, But Hebrew tradition
did not begin as monotheism. So we have been told

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for many years that the Jewish religion and the Jewish
people were the first monotheistic people in history at first.
In monotheistic simply means a worshipper of one God. I
think I've even got that here. The Hebrew people, we
are told, were the worshippers of one God, and that's

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mono theistic. In point of fact. No, there has never
been in the whole history of the Hebrew people a
monotheistic religion. They were never monotheistic. They're not monotheistic now
and never will be. The word correctly is he know.
Look in the dictionary and look up the word he

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know h e and theistic. He know theistic is what
the Hebrews are today. The Jewish religion is a he
know theistic religion. He know Theistic simply means the worship
of one God without denying the existence of other gods,
or the belief in one God without denying the existence
of others. He know Theistic simply means picking one god

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from a group. So it's like having twenty five different gods.
And the Hebrews picked Yahweh, and so they picked him,
and so they made a contract with their God to
be his people and he would be their God. So,
in a matter of speaking, we could say the Hebrews
were worshippers of one God. But it's not saying that

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there's only one god in the universe. No, No, there's
many gods. But they made a contract with that particular God.
So they are worshippers of one God. And so that
concept of having many gods in picking one is called
he Know Theism, So that's the name of that too.
And there's a lot of articles written about he Know Theism.

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I'm not gonna read a lot of this. I was
going to, but we don't have a whole lot of
times I won it says, from he Know Theism to Monotheism,
he says carefully, careful readers have often noticed a gradual
development of serving one God among many he Know Theism
to the eventual claim that there is only one God monotheism.

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So today Christians believe that the Jews are the worshippers
of one God. No, go back into your homework, as
never has been and never will be. The ancient Hebrews
were worshippers of one particular God out of a group.
And so it says Yahweh is not Elohim. Rather he
is a part of the Lohim. So saying God is

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not the Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews is not
the almighty God. He is not all the gods. He
is rather one of the gods English of Hosts. They
completely ignore the construct of Yahweh Alohim and translated as
Jahweh God. And this I hear all the time from
Jews and Christians. Well, the Bible says there's only one God. No,

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it does not. The very word geness is one. One
is Elohim, many gods the Hebrews of the Hebrew of
this verse literally reads, anyone sacrifices and too, Elohim will
be destroyed unless it is to Yahweh himself. This is
a very clear he know theistic view of Yahweh. While

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Yahweh is a part of the Alohim, he's a part
of the gods. He is the only one that the
Israelites are commanded to sacrifice to and not to any
other of the gods. And again you go back to
the original Hebrew Bible, it says that Genesis is one.
One says God, Elohim, we shall create man we So

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he knows theism is the base for Judaism. So now
you pick up and so now you understand it is
said that the Jews worship one God. Know there are
many gods, they just pick one from the group. In
the Book of Psalms, the Book of Psalms eighty two
to one, the scripture says God or Yahweh in this case,

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Yeahwegh Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews, stands in the
congregation of the Mighty. He judgeth among the gods. So
he's a part of a whole group of gods, and
he judges his people among all the other gods. So
let's see how other verses, Bible verses say this. The

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CEB Bible says, God takes his stand in the Divine Council.
The correct Jewish Bible says, an Elohim God stands in
the Divine assembly. Where there there with the Elohim, he

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judges another one the ESV version of the Bible, God
has taken his place in the Divine Council, in the
midst of the gods, is placed in the Divine council.
He presides in the heavenly Council and the assembly of
the gods. So you know, the Bible is filled with
these quotes. Where the where Yahweh, the God of the

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Hebrews is one of the many gods who rules. Where
in the group of gods. So that in the Old Testament.
But even that's in the Old Testament. But even the
Apostle Paul and the Christian New Testament says, in the
buck of First Corinthians. He says, for though there be

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that that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth,
as there are as there be God's many and Lord's many.
So even the apostle Paul is saying, yeah, there's a
lot of gods and lords, you know, so you need
to understand which one you're worshiping. They amplify a Bible says, indeed,
there are many of them talking about the gods. So

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to recap, the ancient Hebrews were not monotheistic, but they
were worshiping one God. They were he know, theistic, making
it meaning that they pick one from a bunch of gods.
And as we've said, even the Christian apostle Paul said
the same thing, that there are many gods and many lords.
Now let's go back to Genesis one twenty six where
God is creating man, because now it's actually the gods

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are creating man. So here in Genesis one twenty six,
and it says, and God said, Elohim, the gods, God said,
let us make man in our image after our likeness.
What's us at our let God? God said, let us
make man in our image after our likeness. Let's see

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how other Bibles say it. The Good News Bible says,
and God said, and now we will make human beings.
They will be like us and resemble us. New Living
Translation of the Bible says, then God said, let us
make human beings in our image to be like us.

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The Common English Bible says, then God said, let us
make humanity in our image to resemble us. The Complete
Jewish Bible says, and then God said, let us make
human kime in our image and in the likeness of ourselves.
The contemporary English version of the Bible says, now we

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will make humans, and they will be like us. The
easy to read version says, and God said, now let
us make humans who will be like us. So in
Genesis and even in Genesis three twenty two again makes
the same kind of claiming. It says in the Lord God,
God or Gods said, the whole man has become as

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one of us. He's become too smart. We made him
too clever and too smart. He's become like one of
us now. And so in the Holy Bible, the New
Life version says, let us make man like us. And
here's the point. We now know that God is plural,

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more than one. So the gods have said, let us
make man. No, that is a mistranslation. It was mistranslated.
Is not like. It is not saying let us make man.
God did not make man, as you will see. The
word in Hebrew for man is ish or issi I

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s h is are ish in Hebrew as man. But
the Bible expressly says that the Gods made a d M,
not ish. So from a Hebrew dictionary it says man
is ish. Here's another one. According to this, the Hebrew

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word for woman is isha and comes from the Hebrew
word for man ish. So if the Bible says God
made man, it will say God made ish. Interesting to
word for man. Woman in the Hebrew is identical man.
It is pronounced ish. But the Bible doesn't say God
created ish. It says in Hebrew, we shall make a

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d M, which is translated into our English human in
the image of us. So God did not make ish.
He made a d LM and Hebrew ad M. And
the Christian Church added another aid during the elect the
twelve thirteenth century. They added an eight in there. So
I'll make it adam. No, it's not adam ad M

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three Hebrew letters, which means something esthetically to the Jews,
it's a hidden code ADM, but it is not ish
is a So God didn't make ish. He made ADM.
Talked to the rabbis about what ADM really means in Hebrew. So,
like so many other humans, do we even ADM, which

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is Adam had offspring, had male offspring, the Bible says.
And look what the Bible says that describes when Adam
had an offspring, he said, and Adam lived one hundred
and thirty years and begat a son and his own
likeness after his image, just like the gods created us

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and their own image and likeness. So it says Adam
had a son, and he had a son that was
in his likeness and own image. Well, of course, if
you have a son, he's going to look human. He's
going to be like a human, not gonna look like
some entity from an outer space. He's gonna look human.
So he's going to be made in your image and likeness.

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And so Adam had his son. He looked at his
own image and likeness, which is the same thing the
Bible says about the gods who created us. They made
us to look like themselves and their image and likeness.
So there are many examples in the Bible that show
that the gods looked like us, and or actually we

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look like them. They were here before we are. So
I'm going somewhere with this when I'm laying the foundation
for it. A classic example that's found in the story
of Abraham meeting three visitors that came to visit him.
In the Book of Genesis eighteen chapter there's a story
about Abraham having three visitors, three men that came to

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visit him, and it says that Abraham was filled with
fear and bowed down, and it says now here it
is in eighteen one and the Lord. And you'll notice
that the word Lord is capitalized. When the Lord is capitalized,
it means it is the Creator, Yahweh, one of the Alohim.

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But Yahweh, the Lord who created, said appeared to him,
and it says, and he lifted this is Abraham. And
Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked. There were three
men stood by him. And when he saw them, he
ran to meet them from the tent and bowed himself
to the ground. These three men walked up, but one

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of them was the Lord, the Creator, Yahweh, and so
it goes on to say that the Lord appeared unto
Abraham and three men. So it keeps talking about the
three men, and then Abraham asked the three men to
please stay for dinner, which they agreed to do. And
so it said that Sarah went out and fixed dinner

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for them, and they sat under the tree and had dinner.
And then after dinner the three men, two of them
got up, he says, after the eating, two of the
three men and got up to be on their way,
while the third man stayed a bit longer to talk
with Abraham. And so the men rose up. These are

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the two men that rose up out to dinner, and
they were looking towards Sodom, because they were going to Sodom. So, okay,
now we see the two men got up after eating dinner,
and Abraham walked with them a bit on their way
to the city of Sodom. And it says in chapter nineteen,
and there came two angels to Sodom that evening, and

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Lot set in the gates of Sodom, and Lot, seeing them,
rose up, and to meet them, he bowed himself just
like Abraham. Lot bowed himself down with his face to
the ground, and he said, behold my lord's lower case,
and turn in. I prayed to your servant's house. So
the point I'm making here is that in the book

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of Genesis eighteen, three men came walking up into the camp,
and they and Abraham and Sarah made dinner for them,
and they sat under the tree had dinner with Abraham
and his wife. Then two of the men got up
and they were going on to their business, and they
were going on to Sodom. And but then the next
chapter it says those two men are now called two

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angels that went into Sodom. Well, that's what the words
back in Jedesys eight team was the Elohim. They were angels,
they were gods. And there were three of them that
popped up in front of Abraham, and one of them stayed.
And so the men the men said this, and the
men said that. Well, we go on and read in
Genesis is nineteen about what the men did. But later

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on down here and verse fifteen that talks about the
angels again. So the Bible and then jenas Is eighteen
and nineteen is into using into playing angels with men.
So well, that's what the Bible says, God bade us
in his image of likeness. Obviously, the God must look
like us, or we looked like him. So the point is,

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according to the Bible, the word God is Alohim, which
means the gods, and it's plural meaning more than one.
And they made us in their image and likeness, so
we look like them. So that's why your male offspring
looks human like you do. Okay, And here's him bowing
down to the three men. Then we find out, actually
upon deeper research, that three men were actually three angels.

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So this is why in the Christian New Testament, the
Apostle Paul says. Then this is what the Apostle Paul
and Christianity says about this subject. He says, but let
brotherly love continue, be not forgetful to it, be not
forgetful to entertain strangers for some, For thereby some have
entertained angels unaware, saying that when you meet someone, being hospitable,

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because you might be talking to an angel because they
look like you or you look like them. And so
here's another Bible Gntiq says, remember to welcome strangers into
your home. There was some who did that and welcomed
angels without knowing it. Another translation NLT translation said, don't

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forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have
done this have entertained angels without realizing it. So the
point I'm making is that angels and gods look like us.
We are made in their image and likeness, and that
is the bottom line on what I'm trying to get
across to you. So now it's here that I want

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to clarify the idea that God is the gods, and
they did not make man ish. They made a d M,
not ish again, and the old ancient Hebrew it says
we we shall make ish no a d M, which
is loosely transmitted hugh Man and the image of us.

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So the gods made a d M, and ADM becomes
add them Adam, and the Adam looks like the God
that created him. So let's recap very quickly. God is
Hebrew plural, which is actually he knows theism the worship
of many gods, the plural meaning more than one. There

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it is Alohim, we shall make man, And it goes
on and back. Here it says we shall make a
d M, not ish other gods. We're told not to
worship other gods and worship them. Indeed, there are many
of them. There are many gods. God say, let us
make man in our image. So therefore the conclusion is
God is the gods, and the gods made a d

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m and not ish. Now the three men with Abraham
turned out to be angels. Now let's move on to
the next point. Now, for that we go to Genesis
ninety one, after the flood of no Day. In the Bible,
Genesis nine one says, this is after the flood of

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Noah's day, when everyone's supposedly you have been killed in
the flood. And then God said to Noah and his sons,
He said to them, be fruitful, multiply and replenish the earth.
I remember asking the rabbis many many years ago, is
this a correct translation from the old Hebrew? Be fruitful,

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multiply and replenish the earth. The question I have for
the rabbi was, is this word replenish correctly translated? And
he said, yes, it is. Well. Ree means do it again,
So to replenish means to do it again. Well, obviously,
if the earth have many people, and God destroyed all

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the people in a flood, and if you want people
on the earth. You're going to have to replenish the earth.
Makes sense. So in Genesis nine one, replenish the earth,
he's telling Noah and his sons. Okay, red as I said,
means do it again. And here is in the Old
Jewish Bible, says Elohim says, be fruitful, multiply, and replenish

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the earth is a Hebrew word meaning do it again.
But what about genuis one one? And here's the point.
Genesis is one one when God is making a d
M and his wife. When God is making the first pair.
Here it is in Genesis one where God is creating
a d M or Adam and his wife Eve, it says,

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And so God created man. The God's created man in
his own image, and the image of God created he
them male and female. And God blessed Adam, Adam and
his wife. God blessed them, and God said into them,
be fruitful, multiply, and replenish the earth. So here God

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is saying to Adam and Eve, the first couple supposedly
to replenish the earth, do it again. So what are
you talking about. I thought that God created Adiman, he
was the first couple. No, No, God said replenish hearth
do it again. So why would the gods tell Adm

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and his wife to multiply and replenish the earth. It
means because he wanted them to do it again. And
the reason why is because if you go to Genesis
one one, the answer to why Adam and he was
to replenish the earth. Genesis one two is a very
important scripture. In the beginning, the gods created the heavens

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and the earth, and the earth was without form and void.
That is an incorrect English translation of the Hebrew words
tohuvavahu as an incorrect translation. Uh, the earth was without
form and void. Think about it. God creates the earth
and it has no form and is void. I mean,

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what does that all mean? It's without form and void. Well,
it's a mistranslation. That's not what it says. So when
we read the earth was without form and void, it's
a mistranslation of the original Hebrew words tohu vavoho. And
the earth was in the Old Jewish Bible and the
earth was tohuvavohu tohuvaboho is actually translated correctly. And the

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earth became a waste in a desolation, not form without form,
and void. No, the earth tohuvaboho means became a waste
in a desolation. So what is the Bible actually saying
in the original Hebrew is that the earth became a

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waste in the beginning, God created heavens of the earth.
But Hebrew vib was the earth was became a waste
in a desolation. This is in the Hebrew. The order
of words in a sentence is all also important. When
the verb is in the original text and follows the

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subject in the sentence, it indicates a change of tents
and should be translated as became or had become. It
is a change of something existing from what it had been,
since the earth had already been created in Genus has
one one. The verb higher being and the original detext

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follows the subject. Thus indicates a change that occurred with
the earth at its original creation, since a change in
the Earth had already taken place in the past. The
verb high translate translated incorrectly translated was should have been
translated correctly as became a waste and a desolation. This

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is very important. Here's a good book Bible translation that
at least set it right. And the earth became a waste.
And here's a translation from the Bible says the earth
was without form and void. No, was as became and
without form. No, the word is tohuvabo, who a waste.

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So what I'm saying to you is that what the
Bible is saying in Genesis one two is that the
earth became a terrible waste and a terrible place. It
wasn't created without form and void. The word is tohuvavo
who Okay, so not created toed but became the earth

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became a waste in the desolation. Now that's important because
the Hebrew words tohuvavo who are only found twice in
the Bible Genesis one two, Tohuvabo, who means became a
waste in the desolation. Well, there's a second place, Tohuvavo,
who is used and is in the Book of Jeremiah.

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And in Jeremiah the fourth chapter, the Bible says Jeremiah said,
I was given a vision by God. The prophet. Jeremiah said,
I was given a vision by God. And in division
he said, I beheld the earth, and lo, it was
without form and void. No, Jeremiah had a vision from God,

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and in division he saw the earth became a waste
in a desolation. And he then goes on to say,
in twenty five, and I beheld, and there was no man.
There was no Issh, and for sure there was no Adddam.
So he was seeing the earth, and it became a
waste in the desolation, and there was no man. But

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then he goes on to say in twenty six, and
I beheld, and a fruitful place was a wilderness, and
all the cities thereof were broken down, and the whole
land became desolate. What do you mean, all the cities
There was no man. There was no Addam, no ish,
but there were big cities, and then all of a
sudden those cities became a way the desolation. Here's another

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quote said the earth was without former void, and then
it says without former void. No. Jeremiah clearly indicates the
Earth had undergone a cataclysmic change as a result of
divine judgment. The face of the earth bears witness everywhere
the marks of such a catastrophic thing happening on the earth.

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So here's another quote bears CHIPA one two, which is
actually Genus is one two, and the earth was tohu
Vabohu can be taken as a hint that the Bible
at Taurus stands. It starts its account after the destruction
of the world a prehistoric man. And that is the
point I'm trying to make here today, is that when

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the Bible talks about the creation of a d m Adam,
it's not talking about ish and it's not talking about man.
It's talking about a particular kind of man that has
made in the image and the likeness of the Alohim.
Because whatever man was that was already here for millions
of years, something happened where outside entities came here. They

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were called the Alohem the gods. Well, what were the gods?
I don't know. But if you ask a child where
is God? And the children will say, God's in heaven.
Where do you believe in angels? Yes, well, where do
angels come from? They come from Heaven. Well, I don't
know if you know this or not, but anytime a
god or an angel comes from Heaven, that's extraterrestrial. That's

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not from here. They're not from Cleveland, They're from Heaven. Okay,
So all the ancient scriptures of the world say that
the gods, whoever they are. They came down here and
they saw the indigenous creatures, the ish to man, the
creatures we call them hominids in science. They were hominid creatures.

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They weren't quite man, but they kind of walked up right,
look something like us. And then somebody intervened in our
natural evolution of hammadid creatures and created a new kind
of man, not ish, Adam, that's you. Somebody created you.

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And they didn't just create you out of nothing. Know,
someone intervened in our natural evolution of millions of years
and came here and created a new kind of man.
So chance again Genesis one twenty eight. And God created
man in his own image, and he told Adam and

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Eve to replenish the earth. Of course, why would the
gods tell Adam and his white to multiply and replenish
the earth, because re means do it again? What did
I do? Did I push a wrong button here? Oh?
Wait a minute, push a what you do it for me?

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Because I don't want to make it even worse? Oh
I'm sorry?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
A click?

Speaker 1 (41:09):
And then the house okay, good, thank you?

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Sure that.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
That's good. You don't want to just take it from there?
So again we see that the Genesis one two says
that the earth was Tohuvabohu, And this writer in the
Hebrew says that's taken as a hint that the Torah

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or the Bible, starts its biblical account of man after
the destruction of prehistoric man. So, now what we're talking
about is Hamidid creatures, these ancient creatures which we have
found skeletal remains all over the earth, of creatures which
walked upright. We call them Hamidid creatures or cave man.

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I don't care what you call them. We got all
kinds of names for the ancient peoples of the world.
They were called hominids. And from the hominid creatures we
now have a dam a different kind of creature. So
from this hamidid creature to modern day humans. So we

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start off with the hominids and we end up today
with modern day humans. Now, so the point I'm making
is that we were hominids. We were ancient, ancient creatures
until somebody intervened in our natural evolution and created us.

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And the scripture says in the Bible and in all
other ancient scriptures say the same thing, that the gods
created us in their image and their likeness, and so
we look like they who have created us, which means
that today they're very well might be people who we

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consider to be beautiful and important people, politicians and important
people who are leading the world, which are in point
of fact, not human at all. They very well might
be the Earth and its people on the Earth today
very well might be led by higher intelligences who look

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like us, and we look up to them because they're
big shot politicians and big shot world leaders. Never realizing
you are looking at the Onunaki, the ones that the
ancient call the ones who created the humans. They're not human,
they just look human. And there have been a lot
of sci fi movies made about that alien nation, and

(44:00):
Bill Berg with his television series Taken. So all I'm
saying to you is that you need to go back
and think about the idea that the evolution is not
the subject. Intervention is the subject. And I am totally
convinced that we are being led in the world today,
all over the Earth by entities that look like us,

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that look like human, but they are the ones who
represent those who created us. We look like them, and
they are misleading us, playing us for fools and getting
us to fight their wars, and they're selling our bodies
on the New York Stock Exchange, and they've set up
a whole system of commerce in the world. And religions

(44:43):
and politics and all the other human trash that we
have to deal with every day in life. Why because
they created us and they are our gods. So I
would suggest that you might want to take another look
at religion, jud the Christianity, and Islam, and understand these
are nothing more than the creation of the gods. And

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there's no truth in them anywhere, nothing of any value
in those three religions, and a lesson until you can
get out from under the manipulation and the exploitation of
the human psyche by those who look like us. We
are in serious trouble in this world because the people

(45:26):
have given their sovereignty, they've given their lives, they've given
the hopes of the future to possibly extraterrestrials who couldn't
care less about you. They created you, and that they
look upon us as chattel property. They own you like
trash and like animals. So I would suggest that what
we need to see now in the world is a

(45:47):
revolution of minds. We need a whole spiritual renaissance where
the people of the world rise up and say no
longer do we buy into your religions, your politics, your
commercial system, you're banking none of it. It's all extraterrestrial influence.
And we don't believe in your gods anymore. That doesn't

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mean that there isn't a divine presence in the universe.
That there is no doubt in my mind. But we
are coming to a place now. I mean the Mayan
Calendar is talking about it, but I don't know that
that's gonna be of any important importance. But I do
know that the world is entering into a very dark
period now where the human race is gonna wake up
and find out we've been had by those entities who

(46:32):
have come here from somewhere else and made us to
look like them, and they are misleading the whole human
race using Judaism, Christianity in Islam. And I want to
thank you. Oh yeah, question answer, yeah, okay, I guess

(47:08):
we could take some question to answer. That doesn't mean
I have the answers, huh yeah. So if you uh,
if you got any questions which I can't answer, then
you will you can come to the mic if you
have any But again I would say I'm I'm not
the world's foremost authority on anything, so don't expect any

(47:29):
brilliant answers from me. I have always believed that, I've
said this many times. Always trust the person looking for
the truth, don't ever trust the one who's found it.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
All right, Jordan, you've shown that in the Old test
that many times to use the word elohem. Is there
any ever time to use the word eli representing a
single god?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, quite a few times, but they were
usually that was applied to angels or Jewish high priests.
They were taught they were called the elis, and so
sometimes when that word was used, it was talking about angels.
A particular angel or one of the Jewish high priests
also had the same title. And so that's a whole subject.

(48:23):
I mean, you don't even get into the whole subject
of the Hebrew language and the word God as opposed
to gods, as opposed to the aloheim. And there's a
very important subject which I didn't even touch on here. Well,
I touched a little bit on it, but the subject
is the sons of God because in the Hebrew Bible,

(48:44):
as also in other different old religious texts. There is
an idea in the Bible. In the Old Testament Bible,
there are many different kinds of entities. There are spirits,
which we call ghosts or spirits. Then there's disembodied spirits.

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Disembodied spirits means that there were spirits which used to
have a body, and then their body died and so
their spirit went back into the spirit world, which is
the spirits of humans who have died, but they are
disembodied spirits because they used to have a body. Well,
that's not the same as ghosts or spirit entities in

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the Bible, because the spirit entities in the Bible were
created spirits and they never had a body, as opposed
to people. When they died, their spirit goes out. So
now there's two kinds of spirits, the ones who were
always a spirit and then the ones that used to
have a body. And so now we got two kinds
of spirits. Then you have something called the watchers in
the Old Testament. The watchers is a different term for

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a different kind of spirit entity. Then you have another term,
which is in the most important one is sons of God.
Sons of God are not angels. Sons of God are
the offspring of the mating between the extraterrestrials who came
here and the women who were already here, and they

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had offspring, and the Bible doesn't call them children. It
says that the aliens, the Aloheims, the gods who came here,
and after they created adm Adam, they begin to see
that what they had created was beautiful. The women were gorgeous,
so they started thinking too much about what they have
created and started taking on the women and pro creating

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with them. And it doesn't say what they women gave
birth to. The Bible says and the women gave birth
to children, No, it doesn't say that. In the Hebrews,
it just says that the women gave birth period, and
it doesn't say what they gave birth to. Well, if
these were extraterrestrials from another world who looked like us,
and they cross breed with the human creatures that they

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had created, and those creatures were giving birth to something
that was extraterrestrial and human, and Inhamedid it was. Now
that's why today I think that we are half human,
half man, and half spirit, because there's half and the
apostle Paul says that there's a war going on in

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the flesh of mankind between the spirit and the flesh.
Why because the flesh represents the ish, the creatures that
were already here, as opposed to when the angels came
here or the spirits or whoever they are, came here
and recreated us. Now there's half of us is from them,
the anarchy, and the other half is from the ish,

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the creatures that were already here. Well, that's true because
all humans. Half of us are just animals, but the
other half creates beautiful music and lasers and goes to
the moon and has beautiful art and could do wonderful
and great things and be very spiritual. At the same time,
you get one can go out and kill somebody, because
there's there's the human part of us. So there's two

(52:05):
There's there's two things going on inside of us, the
war between the the what the extraterrestrials put into us
and the normal animalistic thing that we were before they
got here. So that's what I'm saying, the human race
is today. We are an intervention in our natural evolution.
Strange stuff.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (52:37):
You talk about being aware of religion or kind of
being wary of religion. But this information is in the Bible.
How do you how do you?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
It's because the Bible is not the work of a
holy priesthood writing holy scriptures. The Bible is the work
of people who have studied all the ancient cults of
the world, all the ancient religions of the world, the
ancient hidden mysteries of the world. And when you begin
to look at the actual history of the Old Testament

(53:09):
and the history of the ancient Hebrews, you will find
there was no ancient history of the Hebrews. That the
Old Testament most likely was put together by some very
very highly intelligent priests and writers, probably doing i would say, seventh, eighth,
ninth and tenth century AD. I do not believe that

(53:31):
Judaism as a BC religion. I don't think there was
an ancient Jerusalem and ancient Judaism. I believe that the
Bible as we know it, the Old Testament, Bible, the
Jewish Old Testament, probably has something to do with the
Hanseiotic League, a German league of highly intelligent priests, clergyman,

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commercial ventures, bankers. It's called the Hanseiotic League. And out
of the Hanseiotic League, and Europe began a whole new
religious concept called Judaism, and we began to see a
whole new religion being developed. But that's in the AD.
As far as I'm concerned, looking at all the reference
works of the world, there was no BC Judaas, there

(54:16):
was no ancient Jerusalem, there was no ancient Hebrew people,
none of it ever existed. But I'm thinking that whoever
these wise men were that put together this Bible and
wrote it in such a way as the Dcode secret
things into it, anyone who studied the Bible knows that
almost ninety nine percent of everything is in the Old

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Testament was already in existence in ancient cultures, the Old Sumerians,
the Babylonians, the Venetian Canaanites, the Assyrians, especially the Medo Persians.
But all of these ancient stories that were and I
believe these ancient people with their ancient stories, were not
writing for Hollywood. They're just telling you what they saw.
They're just telling you. The Samerians were just telling what

(55:00):
they were experiencing. They were not writing for television. And
so the people who wrote the Old Testament took all
of those ancient stories and put them together and started
getting a consensus of what the ancient people was saying
and what was really going on, and then they translated
it into a new book for us called the Bible.
So I have the highest of respect for the Bible

(55:24):
and what's in it, because I understand it didn't come
from Yahweh and some wonderful God. Know. It's a collection
of all the ancient wisdom of the world that these people,
you know, five to seven hundred years ago, were very
intelligent people, and they were getting a consensus of all

(55:44):
the ancient writings of the world from the Egyptians, the
ancient Hindus and put together a whole new story based
on all of that ancient stuff. So that's why I
have the highest of respect for the Bible, because that's
an incredible collection of ancient wisdom telling you something. But
like the Rabbis have told me, it's all encoded. It's encoded,

(56:07):
it's not on the surface. You need to know what
the rabbis were really saying and what these people were
really saying, not what you thought they were saying.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
So religion is basically using that as a the the
good information, and then distorting it in order to control.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
That's right to keep control. But there are rabbis who
and I've sat with some very really interesting rabbis who
who tell me? Because I confronted them with a lot
of this. They said, well, you're right, And I said, no,
I want to know. Was Judaism actually a b C religion?
They said, well, I mean, it's just a story. It's
just a story. I said, I know, it's just a story,

(56:46):
but I'm asking you. Was there any legitimate history in it? No,
there wasn't. And now there is a There are the
top archaeologists and a top palaeontologists in Egypt. One is
named Finkelstein, and I the other one I can't remember
his name. They have come out with a book about
two years ago. They were the top professors in Israel,

(57:09):
and they wrote a book together called Unearthing the Bible,
in which they said, and they are the best of
the best in Israel. And they said, none of the
stories in the Old Testament or history, none of them.
There was no Moses, and there was no crossing the
Red Sea, and there was no Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

(57:29):
All of these stories were stories of the ancient world
that were remolded into a new story. For a new
time and a new people. But all of it's based
on the ancient stuff. So that means that what you're
reading is not necessarily nonsense and crap. No, it's based
on ancient, real knowledge that the ancient people's had. But

(57:53):
it's a new story for a new time. That's why
the Bible's called the greatest story ever told. It's a
story know and so if you understand it's a story
and it's based on older, more ancient writings. I have
the highest admiration for the Bible because it's a great collection.
And at this point I'd like to also say I

(58:14):
have an all encompassing fear and and appreciation for God.
I have no problem with the concept of a divine
presence in the universe that is overshadowing all life. Uh,
there is the differences of God. Are you talking about

(58:35):
aliens who came here who are very clever and created you,
or are you talking about a higher power in the universe.
It's even over them. Well, from all I've gathered from
what people have said in books and lectures, I've heard
that they have been abducted by these aliens who look
like us, who look like Nordic's Well, you're talking about

(58:56):
people who look human, but they were extraterrestrial. Well, Bible
says the same thing. But I have the highest of
admiration for the idea, the concept of a higher power
in the universe that men have called God. I don't
have any problem with that, that idea at all. It's
these silly religions which are corporations and businesses and making

(59:16):
billions of dollars off of poor people's ignorance. That's what
I have a problem with God. I don't have any
problem with God. I don't mess with that. I don't
even think I'd be alive today if it wasn't for God.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
So Hi, which Ananaki? Do you think behind the Illuminati?
Is it like Enlil or Marduk and what's happened to
Enki and Nima Uh?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I'm not really sure about any of that. I was
a very close friends with Zachariah Sitchen, and I was
in business with him, and we talked about this stuff
quite a bit. I said Zacharia's session to five countries,
and I helped get his books published, and he and
I were very close friends for a long time. We
were in business together, and I asked. I've asked him
a lot of these questions. He knew the answers to them,

(01:00:08):
but he would never give me any straight answer. So
I would say that I'm not sure about this subject all.
The only thing I am sure about is that we're
not talking about one glorious god who created Adam and Eve.
We're talking about extraterrestrials who look like us. And of
that there is no doubt in my mind about because

(01:00:28):
the people who are running this planet have already proven
to They've proven over and over again they don't care
about the human race. They don't care about human life.
Why because they're not human. They're not like us, They're
not human. They don't care they have to kill millions
of children in another country. They just don't care because
they're you know, they created us. So you know, we

(01:00:52):
are like chattel. I mean a law, humans are called
chattel property, meaning we're cattle. And so naturally of farmer
or rancher will take care of his cattle. Why because
he can sell them and you can have hamburgers, and
so you have to take care of your cattle, and
so you give them a place to live and water
to drink. And food and take care of them and

(01:01:12):
give them entertainment. That doesn't mean you love them, No,
it means you're gonna feed off of them, you're gonna
sell them at the stock market, You're gonna use them
for your political purposes. So I don't think the people
who are leading the country and leading the world today
are human. I think the demonic that they're pray. They're evil,
and probably the most powerful, evil, demonic and depraved of

(01:01:34):
all is in the US. I think we're being led
by the most evil people in the world. And again,
I don't think they're a human WHI I was reading
a book.

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
I was reading a book on symbols, and it said
that religions that use the symbol of the cross and
the crown are religions that are.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Run by the illuminati.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Is there any kind of relevance at all to that?

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Really, Oh I've been talking about that for years. Oh really,
What I would tell you about that. She's talking about
the religious symbol that's used in Christianity of a cross
inside of a crown, the cross in the crown. Charles
Tess Russell used the cross in the crown back in
eighteen seventy one, when he started the IBSA, which became
known as Jehovah's Witnesses. Jehovah's Witnesses was started by an

(01:02:29):
organization back in eighteen seventy one that used the cross
in the crown. All the Protestant Christianity, all the Protestant
Christianity uses the cross in the crown, plus some of
the facets of the Catholic Church. You still used across
in the crown, but the cross in the crown. Christians

(01:02:49):
think the cross represents the cross of Christ in the
crown that Jesus will wear as king. Now, the cross
in the crown has to do with Masonic order. It
has to do with a very ancient orders coming out
of Rome and the days of the Caesars, when the
cross in the crown was used as an occult symbol
for secret societies that were beginning to come up with

(01:03:11):
this new idea of Christianity. And so it's a very
interesting subject on the cult symbols and how they're being
used today. They don't mean what you think they do,
thank you. Yeah. You know. Incidentally, the very word church.
You know, how many people go to church every day

(01:03:33):
and have no idea where the word comes from and
what it means Church comes from a from a Scottish
word kirk, like Captain Kirk of the good ship enterprise.
You know, that's what religion is, it's an enterprise. But
church is an English word that's based on a Scottish
word kirk k e r k r k i r

(01:03:54):
k and kirk is directly trans directly connected to an
ancient goddess in the Middle East called Circe or Circe.
She was called Mother Circe or later on in Scotland,
mother Kirk, or later on in England Mother Church. Church
is Circe in Scotland, Circe is uh uh Kirk in

(01:04:15):
Scottish becomes Circe in the ancient Middle East, she was
a goddess, and she was a goddess in the Greek
mythology who was able to hypnotize people and bring them
into her home, shut the door and take their minds
away from them, and eat them and live off of them.
And so this is what Mother Curse Circe has done

(01:04:37):
other church. The church takes people in with magic, brings
them in locks the door behind, takes their their minds
so they can't read, they can't think, and all they
know how to do is bowed out to the man
with the fishhead, and they and but it's true. That's
what the Pope wears. It's called the Pope's Miters. It's

(01:04:58):
the head of a fish, which goes back to the
worship of daygone, Day Gone, the fish God of Rome.
So all of this is all ancient stuff coming from
somewhere out there, and these people are real serious evil.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Well, you're absolutely right, Thank you so much. I wanted
to ask you what you knew about the report from
Iron Mountain that JFK requisitioned in nineteen sixty one with
the experts and then that came out. Yeah, I know,
I remember talking about secret societies and relating that to
biblical phrases and then bringing in the New World Order

(01:05:35):
and just how they were going to dismantle America, collapse
our Constitution and the Bill of Rights and take.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Away Well they're not going to do that. It's already done.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
It's done, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
But I mean, I'm just wondering what you've it's I
know it is, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Yeah, I've talked to too many I've been all around
the world and I've talked to too many people very
important people that you have no idea in the world
that I know that very top of this government that
were personal friends of mine, and I've sat and talked
with him in private. Advisers to the President of the
United States, top of the top on the line, people

(01:06:13):
that I've been able to meet and became friends with,
and they allowed me to talk with him in private.
And I so it's my it's just my subjective opinion,
but it's based on the conversation with many, many people
over the years that there is no hope to save
America or the human race. I was giving a lot.

(01:06:36):
I was on a panel in Los Angeles about a
year ago and George Norriy was hosting it. And while
we're up there, I saw a man come in with
a three piece suit. He looked government the moment he
walked in, and I watched him in the back of
the room, and just about the time we were going
to end the question and the answer period, he walked

(01:06:58):
over to the other corner of the room. I watched
him walk over to the side so that when we
come down off the platform, we're facing him. And as
I came down off the platform, he looked at me
and said, you yet come in, you come in. So
I walked over to him and he opened his wallet.
There's a long, oblong wallet, and handed it to me.

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He didn't say a word, he just hand me the
wallet and I opened it up and it was two
badges from government, very impressive organizations in government. And I'm
not going to tell you what, but it's higher than
CIA and two badges and two id's and this heavy wallet.
And he handed it to me and I looked at

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it for a few moments. I studied it for a
few moments and then I looked at him. I said,
very impressive. He says, reel And he said, I've been
sent here. The government sends me to all kinds of
conferences just to listen to see what people know and
what they don't know, what they're talking about. We just
wanted to see what's going.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
On and taking a sampling of the channel.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
And he said, well, I was told particularly to listen
to you, and that's why I'm here. He said, I
would you know. He told me some interesting stuff. He said,
one thing in particular I thought was very significant. He said,
my higher ups have told me that they like what

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you do, but they don't have any problem what you do.
They see you as a good guy trying to help you,
fellow man, so they don't I don't think you're going
to have any problem with government. They know who you are,
they know what you're trying to do. They're just more
interested to see who's going to listen to you. It
doesn't interest to see who's who's smart enough to listen
to you interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
So with all you know and all you've been told,
then the educational value of what you're doing is being
conceited as.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Being my feeling. It's just my subjective opinion, but I
think that cosmically speaking, I don't think there is any
hope for the human race. Why I didn't say not individuals,
I'm not talking about individuals. I think individuals are being

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called out from the mass, but I don't think the
masses have a chance in hell to get away from
what's coming. And the reason why is because trying to
change the human race and educate people today and the
kind of where we live in is like trying to
empty the Pacific with a cup, because you know, it's

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a huge tsunami of ignorance and stupidity, self centered, egotistical,
know at all pompous, arrogant stupidity of the human race
that wants to hear nothing of truth. All they are
interested in is important things that have to do with life,
like football, basketball and the movie stars getting married and

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all that sense. Oh as long as as long as
the human race loves to be deceived by their masters,
not realizing their bodies are actually security on the New
York Stock Exchange for the banking industry, and the banks

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are not the powers of this world. It's the insurance
companies behind the banks. And the reason why the insurance
companies are behind the banks is because of the fourteenth Amendment.
And once you understand the fourteenth Amendment is connection to
insurance companies. The insurance companies connection to the banks, And
you understand that the government we got now is not
the same government we started with in the seventeen seventy six.

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It's a privately owned company. It's a private corporation. Once
you understand how this stuff works in relation to religion,
the Catholic Church, the Jewish religion, Islam, and how it's
all financially behind the scenes, connected and the whole world
is being played for a fool. So I'm saying it's
about time. I believe it's an idea whose time has

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come for the whole human race to wake up and
find out we've been had and the only real hope
is individuals being called out to stand on your own
and start doing your own. I would suggest everyone should
talk directly to the Spirit, directly to God. Don't go
through any religion or any man made system. All you

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have to do is talk to the Spirit, and the
Spirit hears you, and then ask the Spirit. After you've
talked to the spirit and tell it what you want,
and tell it what you need, and you're talking to
the spirit, then ask the Spirit to show me that
you've heard me, give me a sign that you're hearing me,
and watch what happens. Yeah, more question.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
I was thinking about that line I guess from the
Bible that says what profit a man if he gained
the entire world but lose his soul or the kingdom
of heaven. I started out wanting to ask you what
you thought of that, even if that concept in your
mind exists, but it's gotten a little bit modified because
you've drawn the distinction between them and us, those who

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created us versus us.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
We're not them they're not us.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
And essentially you've said that those who rule us, who
you know, run the show, so to speak, are not
really us, aren't fully human, or they represent them. And
I guess one of the things that I was thinking,
and I would love to hear your thoughts about what
profit a man? But can they spend our money? I mean,

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I'm a little confused because if.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
I asked a question again, Well, in other.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
Words, obviously the same.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
If they're people, we'll call them people that started this,
that created us in their image, unless they live forever,
they're not around anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
So maybe they're just observers from.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Somewhere else and they have intermediaries that are running us
for example.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Yeah, very that's what I think. What the UFOs, my opinion,
is a lot of not all of it, but a
lot of the UFO activity which is not ours. And
we've got a lot of the UFO stuff ourselves, the
humans there. But if there is anything out that is
not of human origins, in which I think there is
a lot of, I think it's probably them, and they

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are then there are probably other entities out in the
universe that know about this situation here we've got on
this Earth, and they're coming here to see what the
story is all about too. I wouldn't be a bit
surprised that there are entities out there who have heard
of something going on on this planet called Earth, and
they're coming down here to see what these creatures are like.
And they heard that we were created in the image

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and likeness of the entities, and they're coming down here
to watch and see what's going on because there are
because they know something else is getting ready to happen.
I think that there's wars going on between extraterrestrials as
who owns us and who's gonna do? You know, who's
gonna owns and so I wouldn't be a bit surprised
that that's what some of the UFO and alien stuff is.

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And again, just help from other places to see us.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
And just for the fun of it, because my question
really wasn't meant to be flip, but can they spend
our money?

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
Own us? For what purpose?

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
In other words, if you own something, or you own
a business, or you know you own the product productive
capacity of some person, it's it's for purpose. So when
I ask can they spend our money? I just I'm
sort of wondering do you think that it's above the
physical realm, like, for example, David, I suggest that it's
negative energy.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
It is fear, it's what they feed off.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Yeah, I'm not sure how to answer that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
Okay, I just thought i'd ask it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
I'm not really sure how to answer that, because I
don't think I really understand the question. Probably go on.

Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
Hello.

Speaker 7 (01:14:49):
In some of the Gnostic texts, you have the notion
that the creators plural or hideous, horrifying, you know, monsters
from the Abyss. Just from your reading of the Bible
and the various interpret interpretations of I've heard it said
that you know Satan. Shaytan the accuser was perhaps are
on our side, and Jahveh, the vengeful oppressor, was in

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fact Satan, and you can flip it. I was just
wondering what your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Well, the Gnostics say that Yahweh, the Hebrew God, is Satan,
and that Yahweh is the demiurge, the dark force, Darth Vader.
That's what the Gnostics, the ancient Gnostics taught that Yahweh,
the God of the Hebrews, was like Darth Vader, the
evil one. And the Gnostics are very important people and

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Gnarscissism is a very important religion. The Christians like to
put it down, but the Christians put down anything that
has anything to do with reading and studying. But I
think that there's a bigger story here. The man I
like to listen to on this subject, and there's quite
a few of them, but is Jay Winder Winer is

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incredibly brilliant guy and fascinating to listen to. And also
h Lloyd Pie. Lloyd Pie is extraordinarily good on this
subject of how the aliens created us. Lloyd Pie is
that you need to know about Lloyd Pie and Jay Winder.
I think we're got have to go there telling me

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we're through. Thank you again for being here.