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August 7, 2025 56 mins
Tali Weissman-Gantz, head of WIZO’s domestic abuse program, joins JPost Sits Down With to discuss her work supporting survivors, confronting cycles of violence, and launching “A Father is Born,” WIZO’s groundbreaking initiative to guide new fathers toward healthy, non-violent parenting.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is JPO sits down with where we dive into
the heart of Asrael's most important stories. Today we sit
down with Tali Weisman Guns, a clinical social worker. I'm
the head of Whitess domestic violence prevention Programs. I want

(00:21):
to go into a little bit about who you are,
what your role is, and can you explain to the
audience a little bit about what you do.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's pleasure being here today and thank you for having me.
And so my name is Tally Weisman Gans and I'm
a clinical social worker and I'm a psychotherapist. I work
in a Vito which is the biggest angio in Israel,
and my job is well, I have the oh, the
pleasure and the owner to lead the division of preventing

(00:50):
domestic violence programs, which we developed to all kinds of croup,
which is from the mainstream crew as.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
A if you have.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
We have the November, which is like the main months
of in all over Israel.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
We have special occasions.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's like a month, yes, it's like yeah, during all
these months in all over Israel, all over the city,
municipality and organization, even employees do like I say, like
happy hour, but they use this time not just you know,
for coffee and drinks, but to give their employees some

(01:35):
information how to to see and acknowledge if they have
if any of them or any of the family members
is involving in bad relationship or a violent relationship. And
of course we're dealing with specific crew such as the

(01:57):
doctors and the social workers, and sometimes we're even working
with the lawyers. And we created all kinds of studies,
but that's specific in all kinds of information that they
have to to own in order to create a better

(02:19):
relationship with a client and to know how to help them.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
In a better way.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
What kind of studies?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Wow, all kinds of it's aft from a one day
and you win which kind of subject we you think?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
So wow, we have so many. First of all, is
I think the biggest question that people ask, like may
just ordinary people. They say, okay, so you find out
that your I say, husband, But it can be also
the women abusing you or dealing or behaving in a
bad way to you. So why don't you just take

(02:58):
your stuff and walk away? I mean so easy? So
I think like the biggest thing that we're doing is
is to make the audience understand why does women stay
in those relationships. How hard is to go away. We're
also working with kids. I don't think that the main
people know that even the kids are not involving in

(03:19):
the atmosphere in the relationship of the father and mother,
and they don't get hurt, they don't get abused by
this dynamic. Those kids just from being in the house
and having those atmospheres can have a PTSD. It's something
that is new in the field, not in the professional field,

(03:40):
but also to the audience people. And I think even
now in these days that Israel is under two years
of war and all the violent environment that we're all
having is affecting us all. So think about those kids
that it's not only unsafe outside and alarms, it's unsafe

(04:01):
to be at home exactly. So those mixing of a
public trauma like for everybody, and also a specific trauma
causing them to all kinds of issues, and it's hard
for them to develop and grow up as much as
we as the community would want them to be.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Can we go into a little bit more about what
you said about the question that you get all the time,
why don't you just pack up your.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Bags and leave?

Speaker 3 (04:30):
I've heard that so many times.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
So many times, so many different, so many different ways,
and like how do you You don't have to answer
the full question here, but what do you want me?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'll just give you some points to think of, okay,
because most people doesn't think about it right. First of all,
I might say is sometimes you know, the father and
the mother, I mean, the couples just have their own
issues and they can be really mean both to one
each other, but they can be really good parents.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean this.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Father, I will say father as you know, the hurting
one and the mom as a victim. But it can
also be you know, replaced. Yeah, the other way, this
father can be a great father.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
It can take the.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Kids to walks and to kindergarden and really love and
hug them. And you know, this be this great man,
this man that you married, okay, and this the men
of your dream, and this is the way he acts
with the kids. But he can be totally different to you.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
So this is like one situation. The other one is
some families have the kids that have all kinds of
issues and difficulties and development.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Problems such as you know, autistic keys or.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Other issues, and it's really hard to take care of
those kids, so you have to take them to treatment
and to do it by yourself as a single mom.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's hard.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Also, I must say, the economic issue which affects us
all okay, if we even now that we are under
the war and everything is going up so much and
there is such a big how you support a family
if you're only a single mom, it's really hard or
single dead. Also it's really really hard to be single.
And also I must say that you know, it's very

(06:12):
it's very very family traditional society. It's really hard to
a man and also to a woman to get up
and say I want to be single, I want to divorce.
Also if you're not religions of course, of course, if
you are religious, it's really hard. It's like you're destroying

(06:33):
the family, what happens with your kids. We are really
really conservative society, so it's not easy to come and
walk away.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I'm sure there's also psychological elements of sort of like
being unsure whether it's really that badge or maybe I
don't know, maybe I just think, so, yeah, right, job,
or I'm not being a good and it doesn't have
happened every day. It's happened, you know, once in a
while maybe I deserve it, it's because of me, And
how do you identify really, okay, this is this is

(07:03):
a bad day and this is abusive.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I think it's the thing that people talk about a lot.
I've seen it in like films and movies and books
and a bunch of different kinds of things. So I think, like,
would you say that then with the groups that you have,
or even with the happy hour that you just explained,
you kind of give people the indicators of what would
be okay, Hey, maybe I need to think about this deeper.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yes, I think the first the first thing to do
is to name the situation and the way that you
have a violent in their relationship. I mean it's not
only physical. Some people made a mistake and think, okay,
I'm not to be bitten. He never put, you know,
raise hands on me or something that never okay, but

(07:46):
he does check every time that I'm using my credit
card and he's asking me why did you buy this?

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Why did you buy this? You know?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
And maybe some people have like a small amount of
money and this is what they need to deal with it,
no matter if they work or not. Okay, So this
is like economic abuse. Most people doesn't know it. And
there is emotional abuse or guest lighting.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Or all kinds of thrawling.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yes, and some times people are really doesn't know if
they deserve it.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Is it normal?

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Maybe it happened also like this to my sister. Maybe
this is the way he used to grow up, you know,
in his family, and it doesn't mean to harm and
I am as said. There is also another way to control,
which is I would say new, which is controlling the
relationship in the family by using all kinds of the camera,

(08:40):
you know, all this, or controlling, yes, tracking you on
the website, using the phone and then checking you what
happened to you? You didn't buy those grocery that you
spoke about this, I was busy at work. No, you
had an appointment that was canceled between one two three.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
What did you do this? Yeah, do you have an
affairt but you do it.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
This time because you didn't go to buy anything. We
see all those kind of elements that we didn't have before.
And also these kind of elements happened most in family.
That one of them is maybe enginey or you know,
having a lot of information about how to use all
those computer and the other kind of stuff. And he

(09:25):
can control you know, all the past password to the
bank and to the email, even the personal thing. There
is no such a thing as personal. He controlling you
by everywhere, where did you go? Everything, just using you know,
those normal programs to control you.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Right, And I wonder if the dynamic becomes like normalized,
like it's like you know, as you said, like if
this is how somebody grew up, maybe that's how they
saw their parents grow up, or maybe not so much
with the technology, but like let's say that friends and
the family members are experiencing the same thing. You think, Oh, okay,
well I I'm just like everybody else. It's sometimes hard
to see, especially if you're in love and you have

(10:04):
a good relationship and it's not every day and it's
not all the time. It can be like underlying, which
I think sometimes it is not more scary, but there's
a scary element to that because it can go unnoticed,
or even if it has notice, you can push it
away a little bit more and not have to confront
it right at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, of course, And this is one of the reasons
that we're working with kids and also teaching professional how
to recognize that those kids may be under some kind
of a bad dynamic between their parents. Because you know
those kids that we work that those kids, even they
didn't hurt, but they still and some of them, you know,
they don't go to friends and they don't invite friends

(10:41):
to come over because they're not true with kind of atmosphere.
Their friends may find out when they're coming okay, and
when they're having like a family dinner. So as you
just just saying, you know, all their aunts and uncle,
they all have the same atmosphere in their own house,
so they don't know it can be different. And when

(11:01):
they grow up, they recognize love and abuse as the
same thing because this is what they know about life
and about relationship.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
That's why I think the work that you're doing is
so important in order to raise awareness. I want to
move a little bit now to something a little bit different.
We're talking a lot now about sort of like more
of the dynamic between you know, a woman being the
person that you're helping. I know that there's a new
program called The Father Is Born, and I would love
to hear a little bit more about that and how it.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Started and also what it is what you do.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Okay, So wow, it's a great honor to me to
lead this program and to create it. Well, first of all,
must say that even though Vito is angel that empowers
women and I'm a big part of this unit. As
I said before, our opinion is that if we want
to create a change and really affect so we need

(11:58):
to work with men. We're not working against men. We're
working against domestic violence. Okay, this is really important, and
we want to help women during all kinds of their
life dilemmas or you know changes. Okay, but we are
working with men to create a better society. This is

(12:19):
really something that is really important to me to say. Okay,
because sometimes women organization are you know, people think that
they are like against men and once men I don't know,
feel that men are only you know, bad and using violence. Okay,
We're not like this. So this is the first thing
that I really want to say. And Father is Born

(12:42):
is a very new program that we develop now during
the war because we figure out that we are under
wall for almost two years. Okay, the atmosphere is so
stress for everybody. Just for example, this morning, more than
million people wake up because of alarm from a rocket. Okay,
it's not normally in any way I can see my kids.

(13:04):
You know, we're going to see a show and ask, okay,
where is a safe zone? Okay, it is not normal.
So this is first of all, our status as everybody.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
So we all stress.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
And then some people are doing a reserve duty for
over and over and over. Even I heard about three
hundred days and four hundred days, and they're exhausted and
their family are exhausted, and the women need to handle everything,
the kids and the house and work. And then okay,

(13:36):
we figure first we created all kinds of foreground for
women and for women and kids, and then we thought, okay,
what about those men who serve the country for such
a long time and all those times that have to
go from the field to the house and change the
atmosphere between. You know, you have to keep your life

(13:56):
and keep about your friend's life, and sometimes you see
people around you that's getting hurt, and you have to
be cruel sometimes because you're in a ward you have
to survive. And then you're coming back home and your
wife all she wants you.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Is okay, take the kids now.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I need sometimes off and you know, and they need
some time to themselves. And all those changing also between
the part of your personality that you need to use
because in the field you have to be really sharp
and all the time you survive, and a home you
have to be love and soft and gentle to your
kids and your wife. It's really hard to change atmosphere.

(14:37):
And then on top of all of those two situations,
what happened if there is a new born house. Okay,
just imagine because the most wanted and loved baby born
is a big issue to every kind of parents. Okay,
it's hard to manage life with the baby born. You

(14:59):
don't sleep, don't it. You have to reset the family.
So if you have all those kinds of situations all together, okay,
we thought, okay, this is like a really big thing
to deal with all those of Swiss three triggers. So
we said, we want to support those men, and I

(15:20):
want to thank to wear the initiative Kavimlishinui and another
initiative to film both of them helping us and they
support this program, and wow, I feel lucky. I heard
from the people that we already had a five group,

(15:41):
and I heard from the people that were in in it.
Such a great thing. It's really it's an honor for
me to lead this.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I think what you just said before about not just
being centered on the women, and in order for like
the dynamic at home to be good, you have to
focus on every element of the people who are so important.
And the fact that that's what organization does is incredible.
I just from hearing you say it, it's so easy
to imagine how difficult that could be, because your whole

(16:11):
home dynamic is changing. When you have a newborn, you
have everything is different, and then you come home potentially
you know, as the father, and like maybe people need
support and people need but also you need support.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
You need these things.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Who sees you? Right? If you like this time to adjust,
you don't have to any time.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
It's crazy. So how does that look?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I mean when you first started the program and people
were coming to you, what did you find was sort
of like the main things that people are saying.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
First of all, I think it's wow, it's amazing because
as I told you before, I'm just trying to I'm
just starting to to create some the information that those
people share with us. And first of all, I said,
most of them never been in a group of men,

(16:58):
in a men group that become really popular, like it's
an edgy it's something very cool, but it's mainly cool
in tel Aviv when we work all over, so most
of our men not in tel Aviv, and so this
is the first experience just to have a space for themselves,
to share from one each other, experience to reflect and

(17:21):
think together, what do they need, what do they need
from themself, what do they need from their wife sometimes
what do they need from the army, and what do
they need from work, you know, just to take some
time off, you know, to think about this. And I
must say, some of them really say things that we're
really touching. Like one of them was holding a new

(17:42):
baby board it's a girl and she's three years old,
and he was holding her.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Because of the world that we had in Iran during.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
These groups, so of course we did the group online
on zoom thank you. So he was holding here and
you know, talking to the group, and it would say,
you know, this war surely took My father was away
from me and he was holding his baby and speaking
about how hard for him is to attach to this
baby girl because it's all the time coming back and forth.

(18:15):
I don't know, it's really I think, and I must
say that as I told you before. Ninety percent from
the men that were in our group that were participate
say that it affected in a good way on their
relationship with Tom.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
So for me, wow, it's amazing. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
But the world of men's mental health is being looked
at more as time goes on, but there's also so
much space for it to still be something that's looked into.
I feel like you guys are sort of paving the
way and that sense of having a space for people
to go because a lot of times I think it's
sort of like you're told, maybe you'll deal with it later,
man up a little bit, you'll be fine, you need

(18:58):
to be tough, whatever whatever it may look like. So
I think being able to have that space is so important.
How do the sessions usually look are they in person
and online?

Speaker 4 (19:08):
How how does it work?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Okay, so you know we work, I think all of
us work in the last year, like in a situation
of a routine and under a war, in a stress situations.
So first of all, we i'mtter that we had a
well all our leadership are also men. Wow, yes, because

(19:31):
we want this to be like a men talk without
us women really to give them the space. I think
that some of the time, and they spoke about being
a man, what is like being a man? What is
like being a man in Israel? What is like being
a soldier? And I think I think this to have
this time liding by a man that is leading the conversation,

(19:53):
I think it's really important. It's like they're on zone.
So this first of all, and then we are of course,
we wanted all the meeting to be face to face.
I think there is something really welcome and we want
even the meeting. Our goal and dream is to have
those men some kind of space and the process that

(20:16):
will go on even after this meeting, will you know,
will those meetings will finish and they will be friends.
I mean, one of the most happy thing that happened
that after this meeting they went to have a beer
together and I said, yeah, okay, this is what I
want them because I want them to have friends that
they can share their emotional with.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
A network of support of people who understand.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Exactly and in the same situation. So this is work
really good. Of course, when we were under fire, all
of us in the Iran word, which fight us during.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
The time that we're working.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
So we moved into a zoom, but the process is
still going on.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
So we come back to me together.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And I must say that another thing that I'm seeing
is really nice and came that every meeting have a
small dinner, so wheally they can come and have a
coffee and something nice to it. Yes, it's the time
for themselves. I wanted to I want them to be spoiled. Okay,
this is one of them. Really, I want them to
take this time for their self and really enjoy it,

(21:25):
and to give them the atmosphere so they can share
everything bad, good times, their dream their wishes, their pain,
a lot of guilt, guilty feeling people guilty feelings raised
up during the sessions. They really feel shame, shame to

(21:46):
the wife, shame to the kids. And I want them
to give. I want to give them a zone so
they can share it and then go home feel better
and have the ability to give from themselves to others,
because if you're getting something, you can also give to
the family.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Very true for people who are listening. Could you kind
of maybe talk a little bit about some of the
main issues. I know you said the feelings of guilt,
but maybe we could be a bit more specific yeah,
the people maybe can hear it and feel like, hey,
I resonate with that.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
I'm not by myself.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, and also I want to say that hopefully in
September and then after the holidays we will open some
more groups. So it's whoever hear us, yeah, can contact
VIA and I would love them to join us. So
I must say the sessions are not open. We have
really a program which we create with a yeah after

(22:45):
which is a big Figua is a doctor and he's
the main specialized is dealing working with fathers and working with.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Soldiers.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
And he's also a couple therapists. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we're chose him specifically. Wow, he's really big mentor in
Israel and I'm really happy to work with him. And
we developed together like really a program for every every session.
It's sort of course to think about what you think

(23:20):
what is fatherhood for you? Okay, what did you take
from your father? What do you want to keep, what
are you giving to your child? What do you want
to keep? And what do you want you wish you
will not you know, pass it on. So well we
speak about this and we also speak about the dynamic
at home. What do the men need what they think

(23:43):
the wife need, how to communicate with her wife and
how to ask, how to say no if she wants
something from you, because they feel it because they were
not there, so they have to say yes to everything
and sometimes they just cannot do it. And then from
them we're moving to dealing with anger in relationship and

(24:06):
how to help myself just as the situation and to
come down. You know, maybe sometimes I need to space
sometimes when we argue to say, Okay, I cannot do
it anymore. Let's take a break, I go for walk,
I'll take the baby for walk. Let's see, let's talk
about this tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Just you know, sometimes you have to cut the situation
so it will not go on.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
And we're working of all kinds.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Of ways to calm yourself down so it will not
be too much for the couple. And then we were
walking about to dream and what they wish from themself
and for the baby.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
And it's a great program.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
It's sort of an adver changing dynamics, as you said before,
completely not normal, Like I feel like you guys have
to adapt.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
To a situation that isn't a regular situation.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
It's not like this happens in everybody's lifetime, in every country,
in every place, and it's really interesting to hear what
kind of things to have to come up and what
kind of support needs to be given when you are
at war, when people are leaving. Since October seventh, you know,
people left on that day. And I remember like a

(25:21):
crazy feeling that I had. I had a neighbor who
had just had twins, and it was literally the evening
of October seventh, and I opened my door to say
goodbye to somebody, and I see her husband, like in uniform,
coming down the stairs.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
He turned around and he was like.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Look after my wife, And it really hit me there
where I was like, this is absolutely crazy. And we've
almost become used to it because it's our reality for
almost two years. But this isn't the regular family dynamic,
and it's not the regular relationship dynamic. And people need support,
they really really do.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
So further, I must say also the army now after
such a long time that he we are all underwar.
It creates a kind of sessions, not something.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Like we do. But he does give support.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I know that soldier has been giving like you know
this money to use to go to therapists, to a
couple therapists and they need it. And then I know
that I don't know. As I told you, we started
working with the women because they left alone. So we
started to help those women. And then after this we

(26:27):
started this program. And now we also have a hotline
you know, for men just for helping them dealing with
the world situation and sometimes it's all kinds of issues
in the relationship, in close relationship.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
That they have.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
This is another hotline that we have only for men.
Covlov Can can can.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Because that's also really important because there's also people who
maybe you know, haven't had children yet or that are
trying to figure out the dynamic of their relationships.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
You're away. Some people are away for as you said,
over three hundred.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Days and going back and forth.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
You know, so every time you have to come into
the situation and you know, I heard from it. And
sometimes they know they're sitting on the sofa and you know,
the kids and wife they also just got used to
live without them, so they just they use them as
a planet or something, you know, they just say, okay,
they sit on a zapA. Sometimes they really want them
to share their life. And sometimes those other men that

(27:25):
just wanted to sit on the sofa and have some time,
and they say okay, they want me to go and
taking them I don't know to after school program or
to the end of the year program, and all I
want to do is sit.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
On this sofa.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
So it's really hard to every family to find what
is good for her, and I think this is why
we need as a society to give a hand to
every member and the family and to work with him
to make some kind of balance, because it's really hard.
It's hard for me and my husband is working and
he's too old to go to a pre service duty,

(28:01):
so is with me Tom.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
But it's hard to deal to every family.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Every person's situation is unique, and I think everybody is
feeling it, so definitely important. That's why I think it's
also so important that even though your organization's focus is
usually more on the women, the fact that you see
an issue and you're like, okay, this needs to be
we need to intercept this, We need to realize how
we can help because in the end it benefits everybody.
And also what you're saying before the prevention of things

(28:27):
that even if it's just a toxic environment at the home,
that in itself.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Really really important. How do you think that the program
will sort of continue in the future.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Wow, Wow, it makes my dream now because first of all,
I think that, and I told my boss, I think
that fatherhood and dealing with fatherhood as a subject to
everybody and all kind of fathers.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
For example.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Also I develop now a new group for very religious fathers,
those fathers that they're not working because they're learning, and
so they take care of the kids because they bring
them to the daycare or school and then they take
them afternoon.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
They learn in the day and the mom work outside
the home.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
So now I develop a program for them because you know,
they manage the kids morning and in the afternoon, so
they also need to manage, you know, how to help them,
how to speak with them, what is punishment in this day?

Speaker 3 (29:35):
What is father's authority?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
And so for those men, I work with a very
religious men who have eight kids from his own and
also of course he's professional with working about those fatherhood
issues in the community. So this is the first thing
that I'm doing already. But for me as a dream,
you know, Vizo, we have all those daycares for me.

(29:59):
If I could open fathers and maybe even a mother
you know together, yeah, but a father group you know,
in every day care. Just to speak about it, because
I think also as a community, as a society, we
have been through a change, a big change. And if
I cannot say that the war called something good, but

(30:20):
I think that the big change in this war that
even in the beginning, so many soldiers, so many men
picked up the phone and say, I need help. I
cannot deal with it alone. I need someone to talk to.
And until this war, you know, men they didn't talk.
They were not allowed to speak. If you speak with

(30:41):
a therapist while you either live in Tel Aviv or
you know something, it's really yeah. Yeah, it was something
for women, the woman's talk. And now in this change,
we have been through a change as society, and I say, okay,
let's take it. Okay, I wish it would not happen
during the war, but now, okay, we all know we

(31:01):
need to speak. It's help everybody in the family. Let's
do it, and let's help everybody to have some well
he can speak and say whatever he dealing with and
get some help. And Jerry's experience also, yeah, for me,
it's a dream I wish, I wish for me my
goal for the next year is to walk with others.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I think it's incredible and it's so important, especially because
even talking about working with more religious men, there's so
many aspects of his Raeli society. There's so many different
types of people, there's so many different types of family dynamics,
and I feel like we're only touching the surface of
what can be. So I really hope that you know
it continues to grow and that you're able to kind

(31:41):
of make positive impact with families all around. I'm so
grateful that you came to speak with us today.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I hope that if anybody is listening and needs help,
they know that they can reach out. And obviously we'll
put all the information in the description. Thank you, and
I just hope you keep going up from him. This
episode was hosted by Sipar Jacobs. Editing and production was
done by super Jacobs and u val Varnaa. For more
information on Japos podcast, check the description of this episode.
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