038: Tombstone History Part 2 - Michael Biehn’s Search for Ike Clanton’s Grave

In this week’s second episode of Just Foolin About with Michael Biehn, Michael and his co-host Jim dive into a wide array of topics, starting with a fascinating quest to locate Ike Clanton's grave and the rich history surrounding Tombstone. Michael shares personal anecdotes from his adventures, discusses his friendships with interesting personalities, and touches on his experiences in Bisbee, Arizona. They also explore the impact of the movie 'Tombstone' on the town itself and delve into Michael's thoughts on various film projects

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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro 00:22 Michael’s Search for Ike Clanton's Grave 05:14 Tombstone's Tourist Revival 10:53 Lost in the Wilderness 21:55 Bisbee Adventures 34:55 Tombstone's Rich History and Johnny Behan 43:21 Wyatt Earp's Vendetta Ride 47:55 Wyatt Earp's Later Years 52:14 Marlon Brando's Iconic Photo 55:57 Family and Personal Stories 01:00:42 Upcoming Podcast Guests 01:08:36 Mission Impossible's Financial Struggles 01:10:58 Face Off Remake and Onslaught 01:15:03 Final Thoughts

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have declared war against my brain in order to
say that.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Wons don't seem to bother so long, so.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Long as I only will you wait time stop.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
From mind, I don't have to. Hey, Jim, how are
you today? How is your morning? What's new with you? Like? Uh, yeah, okay.

(00:35):
So this is a kind of a beginning of the
next episode, the next podcast. And we were talking about uh,
like I Clanton, and then we're talking about the trial
and and and and I was uh trying to remember, Jim,

(01:03):
it seems to me that just looking for Ike's grave,
so you know, you park, you park at one place,
and then you have to go half a mile in
in the into the brush in a certain directions, and
we found and I've got pictures and maybe i'll I've

(01:26):
got them on my phone, but pictures of me at
what is thought of as being the remains of peg
Lake Wilson's house and me sitting on the remains of
what used to be his house with my dog and
he I guess, uh, he probably took that picture. But

(01:48):
we we went and we found peg Leg Wilson's house,
so therefore we knew we were close. According to my phone,
according to Terry Ike Clanton what.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I saw on the internet.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah. Yeah. So so so we go off looking for
these these basically grave sites that were according to this
book and Terry Ike Clanton they were, they were marked,
and we we looked all over and and we just
couldn't find him. Uh, according to where Terry Ike and

(02:24):
his grave finder who wrote the book about where these
famous graves were, Ike being one of them, just wasn't there.
We couldn't find him. I had I had gone to
the the mayor of Tombstone, and I said, listen, if

(02:45):
I find Ike Clanton's grave, would you let me bring
it back and and and bury him with his brother
and his father at uh Boot Hill. And he said, oh,
tell you the same thing that I told like Terry Clanton,
Like if you if you can prove there are his bones,

(03:06):
you can bury him here. And nobody had been buried
there for a long time.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I have a a very very good friend who is
Dashl's godfather, who's a homicide uh not only a homicide detective,
but head of the homicide division in Tucson. So therefore
I have would have had access to somebody coming out

(03:35):
and uh kind of supervising a. I don't know what
you call it exuoming when you zoom a like an eggumation?
Is that what it's called.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
It's an exhumation.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Thank you, Jim. That's why you're here. I would I
would have been going uh uh. But Jay whose dashs
godfather put me in touch with a woman who they use,
the police department uses and and I talked to her

(04:21):
on the phone and she said, well, if you if
you find a body, and you know, I can you know,
I can get like the DNA from it or whatever
and to prove that it was Clinton or not. Now
Clinton's sister. It's buried in the graveyard in Bisbee, and

(04:42):
I think there are plenty of Clantons around that you
could go like, okay, well it's you could eventually prove
if you found a body and you got the DNA
off that body, if that was a Clinton's body or not.
And if I could do that, if I could prove
that to the mayor, then I could bury boot Hill.
And I thought, what a great adventure, and it would

(05:04):
bring all this uh sort of attention back to tombstone
and uh, because tombstone, Jim, and maybe I know I
think that you're pretty aware of it. People might not
realize that Tombstone is a is a pretty big uh
tourist attraction.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Now hm uh.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Before our movie, the movie that I was in, uh
Kurts movie, uh Andy Vanya's movie before Kurts movie uh
uh came out, I think that Tombstone was starting to
kind of wither away. I think that it was really

(05:52):
getting to a place where, you know, think people just
you know, just weren't that interested in any more.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
It had been something of a tourist attraction in earlier
year because sure, because I remember reading once back in
the fifties, when there were really only the three major
television networks, how many westerns there were on television. There
were twenty westerns a week on television in the late

(06:21):
fifties and early sixties, and of those, five or six
dealt with the subject of Tombstone or wyat Earth. So
there'd been a huge, you know, public focus on Tombstone
through the through the late fifties and sixties, and so
I think that kind of helped make the city something
of a tourist attraction.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
But by the.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Time the nineties rolled around, then you know, that was
all kind of a faded memory. So it could very
well be true that the town really was, you know,
on the slide at around the time the movie got made.
I don't think there's any question that the movie reignited
interest in the actual location of There's no.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Doubt about that. And when you go to Tombstone, you know,
every other shots got you know, pictures of of of
of Kurt and and and Bill, and you know, like.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Is that where you bought that Johnny Ringo soap.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
No, that was a joke that my brother makes soap
and and uh and he No, that was just kind
of a joke that my brother put together for me
one one time for Christmas. And he makes soap and
he's it's good soap. It's really good soap. It's not

(07:42):
something that I normally do, but it's just something he
does in his spare time. He makes soap and called
it the Johnny Ringo Soap. And uh, I think we
had a slogan that was something along there. He had
a slogan that was no. I think it was my
my once I found out he had a soap, and
I said, oh, I'll see if I can. Jennifer had

(08:05):
a store in Bisbee and I go, oh, I'll take it,
you know, a dozen of these and I'll put him
in the store. And uh, I think that we had
a we had a slogan on the soap and it
said for dirty boys and Girls who love them something

(08:28):
like that or for dirty girls and boys who love
you know. I've forgotten what it was, but that was.
That was the soap thing. Uh, what the fuck was
I talking about? Jim brought up this damn soap thing.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Well, we were talking about Tombstone.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, I go there.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
When you go to Tombstone now, like so much of
it reflects the the movie that that I was a
part of, and uh, and it's gotten. I mean you
can go up there on weekends now and you know,

(09:12):
you feel like you're sort of in Disneyland. I mean
you'll get a lot of people on Saturdays and Sundays
and three day weekends and stuff like that. I haven't
been there for they do do they.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Do reenactment of the gunfight on a daily basis?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Oh yeah, not like an hourly basis. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. And it's you know, all of that is
kind of I think somewhat uh unhistory related. Okay, I'm

(09:49):
not sure if I've ever really stuck around to watch it,
because you know, I if it was me and I
was watching it, I'd be screaming and it didn't happen
like that. Fuck Wieter. Yeah. Uh. But somebody called me

(10:11):
about two or three months ago and said, oh, Ringos
is uh is it Johnny Ringos Ringo Ringo Ringo or
Ringos Ringo john Johnny ring Ringos. Uh, there's a bar there.
There's a nice bar, a nice big bar, a nice

(10:32):
really nice place. They might serve a ferm too. They
called me up to Somebody called me up to tell
me they were selling it. If I was interested, Yeah,
I think I'll probably not stay out of the restaurant.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
For me would be to open up a bar, to
own a bar, yeah, put me there.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah yeah. But anyway, so so me and wasn't our
friend's name I've forgotten ye, Jeff and I are so
so we're we're looking around and we can't find anything.
We can't find these these let alone finding Ike's grave,

(11:19):
which was supposed to be like ah like uh like
had an X on it. Yeah, unlike the other graves
that had names and stuff on them. We couldn't find
any of that at the coordinates that were that that
Terry Ike said.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Did you find any remnant or trace of the cabin
because it's well.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
No, yeah, that's what I said earlier of Peglet. There's
a picture now I should have in between. I should
have given it to Caitlin and he could have popped
it up. But yeah, there's a picture of me sitting
on it. It's basically a pile of rocks. But you know,
you know, according to lore, according to Terry Ike Clanton,

(12:04):
which is probably about that was that was what was
left of peg Leake Wilson's house in peg Leg. Wilson
is the guy I guess that Ike Clanton was staying
with when the law finally caught up to him. Some
bounty hunters I think caught up to him. Isn't that
the way that you understand that, Jim, some bounty hunters

(12:26):
got to him. So yeah, we went looking for the
grave and we you know, we got off to kind
of a late start and we spent a few hours
and uh, we couldn't find it, and we we realized
that you know, it was going to be dark. It
took us about probably forty forty minutes to try to

(12:54):
get to like Peg Peg Leg Wilson's house in that
area and stuff, and I you know, so we couldn't
find it. So we're like, okay, well we'll give up.
And Jeff is kind of a heavy set guy, and yeah,
we're fucking idiots. We didn't bring any water with us,

(13:16):
you know, we got nothing. We just we just got
out of our course and just started like walking through
the bush, you know, like it's this way, and we think,
you know, and I think that with your phone you
can tell, or at least he could with his phone.
He was really good with all the phone stuff like northeast,

(13:37):
south and west that sort of stuff. Oh yeah, you
can tell by the sun. You know, the sun's just
setting in the west. Well the sun was starting to
set in the west. And we're like, okay, well we
better get back back to our truck and back to civilization.
And it's like, okay, I think it's that way. Oh

(14:01):
are you sure it's that way? I thought we came
in from Wait a second, that mountain looks familiar and
like there's hill we had just we had just like
stumbled our way into an area, like we were like
totally had no idea how how do you get out.

(14:22):
So we go like, all right, well, I think it's
this way, and we start walking in that direction, and
and he's got again with his phone. He was using
it as almost like you would use a compass. But
I forgot. I don't know exactly, somebody said again one
of the listeners could tell tell you how he was

(14:43):
using the phone to try to figure out the direction
back to the highway that we had pulled off of.
It wasn't even a highway. First. First you went up
up to Moerency, and then you went through that town,
which is a shoe mining area. Man, they've taken that
mountain down like that just a mining area, and that's

(15:06):
just mined. For there's a big hole in the ground
a bisbee. But this area has just been mined and
mind and mind, and it's still a working mine up there.
And you go through that, and then you go another
forty five minutes sort of again I don't know, north, south, whatever, northeast,

(15:30):
I think towards New Mexico. And then you hit a
dirt road and then you drive from the dirt road
for you know, twenty minutes or thirty minutes, and then
you get close to the area and you get out,
so find Pigleig Wilson's house supposedly, and then we go
looking for the great So anyway, we're fucking lost, two

(15:53):
city boys, you know. And now listen, I knew that
Jennifer knew what I was doing, and uh so, you know,
and there was another thing too, is that there was water.
There was running water nearby us. But it, like I said,

(16:18):
it was getting late and the sun started going down,
and we couldn't find our way out of there. And
so let's see, we think it's that way, and so
you would go to like a hill and you know,
you by this point, you know, going through the brush,

(16:38):
up and down hills, through branches like it, it was tiring.
It was tiring even getting there, and it was getting
very very tiring getting out. And like I said, I
you know, I in reasonably good shape, but still, I mean,
you know, you go up climb up these hills. And

(16:59):
it was always like we go up and see a
hill on this said, if I think, if we get
to that hill, we'll be able to see, and we
go up to that hill and we get on top
of that hill, and then we'd just be other hills,
you know. So we we were like fucked man, we were,
you know, and like I said, we didn't have any

(17:22):
water or anything. Poor Jeff, he's passed on. Jeff passed
away at an early age, and which is sad. He
was such a nice guy. Uh I did. I did
spend some time another time with him up in the
Bisbee area, but uh uh. But he was kind of

(17:42):
a heavy shd guy. He studied getting you know, like
that like that white foam that starts like forming around
your mouth. He started getting like and then he fell
down and he dislocate his shoulder. Oh my god, yes,

(18:06):
so he just located his shoulder and then he I
think he thought he did anyway, and then he that
kind of popped it like back in one of those
like here pull it type of things. Okay, I think
it's good, you know, put a sling on it, and
you know, half an hour after that, he's got all

(18:28):
that white foam around his mouth. I don't know where
we are, but you know, I know that we're not
in any real danger because I know there's water nearby,
and I know that Jennifer kind.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Of somebody knows where you are.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
How many knows what what I was trying to going
to have to go by before well, well my worst nightmare.
My worst nightmare was you know, having to spend the
night there, wait, waking up the next the weather was

(19:04):
okay or whatever, but waking up the next morning still
being lost and having some fucking cowboys just kind of
like walk up to us on a horse and basically
look at us and say you to those city boys.

(19:25):
E those city boys was the delivery where they say
you deliverance.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
So you sure got a pretty mouth.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, the city boys got lost. Okay, Well, as it
turned out, right before it got dark, we were able
to uh see the highway and uh that was my
first first trip up there.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Telephone poll.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, we saw a telephone pole first. Yeah, and then
got to the highway.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
But how far from your truck were you at that point?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Oh? Well, like, uh, not that far, you know, like
a thousand yards, I mean not that far. But yeah,
of course we got to the street and then to
go right or we go left, You go that way
and I'll go this way and whistle if you see

(20:23):
the truck, and you know it was it was really
like like uh, Laurel and Hardy, Laurel and Hardy looking
for Ike Clanton's Gray. Anyway, he made it home safe,
and it was quite a quite an adventure for him,
and I guess it was quite an adventure for me,

(20:44):
although I've had I've had a lot of adventures. Uh.
He was a.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Very sweet guy. His name was Jeff Poole p o
O L. E. And he was a writer. He'd written
some kind of science fiction books, but he also had
a series of mystery It's called the Corgy Mysteries, Cordy
being a type of dog, and he had he was
publishing these books, kind of self publishing them through Amazon,

(21:10):
but they were getting pretty good readership. And he had
just posted that one of his books had been accepted
by a major publisher, and he was really thrilled with
that news. And I was very happy for him because
I had bought one of his books, and I was
on kind of a list to get notices about when
new things of his would be coming out, and he
had just posted this, you know, terrific news about a

(21:31):
book of his being accepted by a major publisher. And
then within a few weeks we found out he had
died of some you know, kind of ailment that cropped
up on him all of a sudden and he was gone.
I don't think he was out of his forties yet,
you still in his forties. So he was a sweet eye.
And his books are delightful, the Corgy Mysteries Jeff Pool
po l E and you know, they're worth taking a

(21:53):
look at. And then and then you didn't stop with
that one trip, did you know?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
And I, Uh, I got to know a few people
uh in in in Bisbee, and I Jennifer introduced me
to uh a friend of mine by the name of

(22:24):
uh Luke, And uh Luke grew up in Bisbee and
he had a friend. He had two friends. One one
was named Chris and uh the other one's named John.
And they all grew up in Bisbee. So they're all like,
you know, I wouldn't call them country boys per se,

(22:45):
but they're like real men. You know, they're not like me.
They're like, you know, they know how to read a compass,
they know which way is north, you know, they they
they know the area. They you know, they they they're
builders and roofers and and there, and they're they're just

(23:06):
you know, smart guys who go out and you know,
as kids they used to go out and you know,
get fine turquoise and and make turquoise and stuff, and
they're there are three three great guys. And I went
out to meet Luke, who was a friend of Jennifer's. Uh,

(23:29):
Jennifer and a friend she met and and she lived
on a farm and she was married to this guy,
and uh, she said, well, wants to come out and
you know, like hang out with us, And I did.
And that's that's where I met Luke and terms out
lucas kind of a I wouldn't call him a local celebrity,

(23:50):
but he's well known in town for being They have
a thing that they do in Bisbee every year. This
is how boring. This is how boring Bisbee is, Okay,
which I liked. I like Bisbee, so it's you know,
and Doug Stanhope lives there, so it's not it's not

(24:10):
that boring. But they they have a thing every year
where they get like a huge rock and I mean
a big you know, must weigh thousands of pounds, but
it's a big rock and it's in the back of
a truck and every man, uh signs up a pace

(24:34):
of fee and I think the winner wins, you know,
all the money or something like that. They win the rock. Well,
the competition is basically, they got these big nails that
they hold on to, and of course they've got these
big hammers, and it's the competition is how far you

(25:00):
can bang this nail into the rock?

Speaker 1 (25:07):
And people sit around and we're not making this up?
Are you exactly a thing?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's a big thing. Everybody in Bisbee turns out it's well,
it's a pretty.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Big old nail rock.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well, well, listen, it is a pretty big thing in Bisbee.
I have the three years or whatever that I spent
in Bisbee. The fourth of July, you'd get a group
of people around a certain area to watch fireworks and

(25:50):
there would be a few hundred people there. But there's
the time that I saw Luke uh join the competition
where he's uh hammering a nail into a rock to
see how deep he can get his his and he
had won the year before and when the year before that,

(26:12):
and uh like a real man's man type of thing.
But yeah, when I showed up for that thing, there
were there were like a thousand people there. People come
in from from from different parts of uh uh you know,
uh from from Tombstone.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
And how how deep did you drive your nail because
you have a lot of experience at nailing things. So
so how deep could.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
You drive your names? I couldn't, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Uh did you even try?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Well? But but that's who That's who Luke is, you know.
Luke is is that guy. And Luke's Luke's the kind
of guy's uh reminds me a lot of Clint Eastwood.
He just a can do kind of guy. If you
ever get into trouble, local figure it out, you know. Uh,
He's very daring and kind of a mountain climber and

(27:06):
a very strong Obviously he wins this turn this thing
every year where they and uh, yeah, that's pretty boring there.
That's that's one of the big big events of the year. Uh,
it's like Tombstone has a they have an event or two,
I forget what they call it, but held held Helderado days. Yeah,

(27:33):
that's Tombstone And uh, you know, Bisbee's got its own history.
Bisbee was around. Bisbee was when the stage coach is
held up in the movie Tombstone. I believe that stage
coach was either heading towards or coming back from It.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Was coming it was going to Tombstone from Bisbee. It
was a regular run and robbed on more than one occasion. Right,
And and the robbery depicted in the in the movie
was supposed to be that Busy to Tombstone, right, based

(28:13):
based on that one because an innocent person did get
killed in that robbery.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Uh yeah, and that that was Isn't that that when
you were talking about there was a posse that went
out looking for those people and that they ended up
being dead.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, that was the one who Actually Wyatt tried to
get Ike Clanton to to wrap these guys out, yeah,
to to to help him locate these guys, and Wyatt
wanted the Whyatt said to Ike, I'll give you all
the reward money, and I just want the glory. I
want to be able to make the arrests and pump
up my credentials to be sheriff. And I said, okay, good,

(28:55):
I'll do that. But before I could give him any
any help, the two guys who responsible for the robbery
got killed in some entirely different fracas well had nothing
to do with it.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
I ended up going back to that site with Luke
and two of his friends, Like I said, Chris and John,
and you know these guys, you know they were a
completely different story. So you know, we pull off, we
do park where, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I mean, if I was going to go back, I
would want to take a guy like Luke with.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
We Love You. But yeah, if there's if there's anybody
that's as close to cool Hand, Luke is as as
Paul Paul Newman. Luke is pretty much like although he
looks more like Clint Eastwood. Tall, strong, good looking guy,
nice guy, beautiful wife. He's got two beautiful children. But uh,

(29:52):
anyway I go out to I go out to the house,
and uh, you know, I'd never met this guy before.
Now we're now we're pretty good friends and very good friends.
And uh, if I had stayed in Bisbee, I mean
he was it was him him, you know, and I knew,
I knew John, and I knew Chris a little bit

(30:13):
through him. But Luke was really my friend. And then
Doug Stanhope is from Bisbee, and those are the guys
that I reallyeve. But anyway, I go out to his
He's got a ranch, a ranch or a farm, I
don't know what it is. It's a big piece of

(30:33):
property that he doesn't really use for farming or ranching.
He's more of a builder. He builds things and oversees
built houses being built, and he does some roofing and
he you know, he can just do anything. And he's
got back hos on his pro He's you know, he's

(30:56):
the guy that like you know that like you know,
if you need a old Doug, he's the guy who's
got a back hole and I mean whatever in his
backyard that can go go. So so anyway, we go
back there, and of course these guys find peg Leg
Wilson's house what we thought was within you know, ten

(31:20):
minutes were there and within another ten minutes where we're
looking for his grave again looking for and I've got
these pictures in my hand of these of these grave
workings and like names that according to Terry Eyke Clinton

(31:42):
and you know and listen and to give Terry eye
Clinton you know what, maybe I just didn't see him,
maybe we just couldn't find him. But we went up
there and those three guys are real I'd call him
almost like mountain man. You know, they really kind of
knew what they were doing as far as being able

(32:03):
to get to the spot and then look for what
was you know, we I had the cordons for from
Terry Ike Clanton, and we looked for about an hour
and a half or two. These guys had been like
they'd been up there with me and and they after
a while they were like, yeah, they just wanted to

(32:26):
go back and uh set up camp and party a
little bit and go home. And that's what we ended
up doing. I think that trying to remember, I think
that I might have. I think I might have gone

(32:46):
up there with I went up there with Luke. It
was on my birthday. It'll be four years ago. My
birthday is coming up. It was my sixty fifth birthday.
We were up there and it was me and Luke

(33:07):
and Jeff. I don't know if I ever told you
about that, Jim, but Jeff was up there and Jeff's
brother was up there, and we went looking for the
graves again, and of course we couldn't find them. And
I figured, like you know, threes of charm and that
didn't work out. And so that was the end of
me finding finding Ike Clanton's grave. And I sent that

(33:29):
those pictures to Caylin.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Okay, okay, all right, Uh so you didn't see any
of those things, any of those the ax marked on
a rock.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Somewhere no, no, we didn't. No, no, and again for
all I you know, Terry Ike told me that the
city wouldn't let him, wouldn't let him exum exzoom what
was the word, yes, exhumed the grave or the state

(34:04):
wouldn't or something. But when I talked to my uh
friend and uh uh my, you know he's a police officer,
he said, that's just yeah, it's just like that's not
that that land is not owned by anybody. Johnny Ringo's
grave is actually on somebody's land that owns that land

(34:28):
now and they let people kind of go on to
their land to look at Johnny Ringo's grave. But this
is just out in the middle of like the mountains
and uh uh so it's on public land, public land, yeah,
and uh but anyway, we didn't find it and that
was that. But I always thought, Jim that there was

(34:51):
a you know, that there there was a there was
so much kind of going on in Tombstone before the
IRPs even showed up, you know, and I always thought that,

(35:11):
like it would be really interesting to really because I
don't think that you have to take these uh what
do you call it when you when you're you do
it because it's a movie, you know, you change. Yeah,
I don't think that you have to take that much
dramatic license to make. I mean, if I think, if

(35:38):
you think about Tombstone six months before uh the IRP
showed up, and EARP showing up, and then the gunfight
and then them throwing him out of town and him
leaving town, it seems to me that that there's still

(35:58):
like a lot there that that would really be interesting. Now.
You and I talked years ago about the fact that,
you know, we we could kind of kind of create
that Tombstone uh time with and and and started with

(36:25):
with Josie, and I remember thinking we were trying to think, well,
because you have the McClary brothers are there, the Clantons
are there. At this point, I could I could play
who they used to always call old Man Clan. That
that would be the role that I'd play with You could, yeah,

(36:47):
one that could be the founder of the thief. Yeah,
we might want to call the founder of yes. Yeah.
And I don't know. I just always thought there was Uh.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I was always fascinated to learn how how much money
there was in Tombstone, how much wealth. It's those silver
mines were so lucrative. It's like money draws money. And
when I heard about some of the the comforts of
modern life that were available in Tombstone, I was watching one.

(37:28):
One guy who's a particularly good uh writer about Tombstone,
Jeff Gwynn, wrote a book called The Last Gunfight. I
saw him on YouTube not long ago talking about Tombstone.
He said, you know, it's the time of the gunfight.
You could place a phone call. There was very limited service,

(37:48):
but there were there were phones between the major saloons
and the mind mine.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yep, yep, So there there were.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
There was the rudiments of it, and there were gas
powered street lights on one of the road, one of
the streets, the main street in town. You could eat oysters,
fresh oysters, ice cream. You could go bowling, you could
play tennis. You could go to the library which had
the most recent newspapers from around the country. You could

(38:15):
get modern information, you could go to the theater. There
was you know, there were comforts of life for the
folks who had money in Tombstone. They were making a
pretty good life for themselves. So it was a really
interesting mix that was going on there at one Stone.
Oh really, yeah, yeah, when when the mines were at
their most productive, Tombstone.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Bigger than Tucson.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Absolutely, it got close to ten thousand people at one point.
But I mean Tombstone really as a town only lasted
less than ten years. The eventually those mines kind of
flooded and most of the silver had been taken out
of them. They were extremely lucrative mines when they were there.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
But but.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
You know, and it was easy to find too. It
was big thick veins of silver, and it wasn't they
didn't have to do too much digging around to find
that it was more or less lying there, you know.
And after they extracted quite a bit and the mines
kind of flooded. So the life of the town as
a productive entity was barely ten years.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, And you know, I remember talking to you about
the relationship between Johnny Being and Josie before. Why it
even shows up as sort of interesting because she comes
from San Francisco, she ends up in Tombstone, probably at

(39:43):
a brothel that Johnny Being me.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
She was from San Francisco, and she apparently started out
in a touring acting tree right, touring a Gilbert and
Sullivan HMS Pinafore production, but came to town came to Tucson,
but along the way she apparently was also working in

(40:07):
brothels and and she'd apparently worked as Sadie in Tucson
for a while.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
And.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Johnny Bean had met her when that production came through Tombstone,
and he got all excited about her. And then she
went back to San Francisco and he came and got
her and told her that he wanted to marry her
and brought her back to Tucson, supposedly as his fiance,
but he.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Was already married.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Correct, Well, he wasn't already married, but she wasn't his
only fiance. Yeah, he had a number of them spread
around town. Well when you have all that money, yeah, exactly,
he's living large as the sheriff, you know, And and
he wasn't really ever going to marry any other and

(40:58):
she she got a little tired of being you know.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Well, but she was looking after Johnny Johnny Bean had
a child with somebody, and wasn't Josie looking after his child?

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I think at one point, Yeah, I grew kind of
attached to his kid. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's but
but then she she you know, got a load of wyatt,
but he was a pretty good looking, you know, six
feet of cowboy and uh you know, and they started
having after neon dessignations at the bird Cage and in

(41:32):
a private booth at the at the bird Cage.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
So I was thinking, I was thinking about the trial, Jim,
and I was thinking about, like, you know, how unfair
it was and blah blah blah that that the inquest
and how unfair the gunfight was and wasn't a gunfight,
it was a murder and all that sort of stuff.
And I was thinking about how how Johnny being testified
in in in in in the in the inquest again

(42:00):
uh Wyatt and his brothers, And I started thinking to myself,
he probably didn't have that. He probably had a dog
in this fight and you have a dog. Yeah. This
guy basically had come in and tried to tried to

(42:20):
steal his job and took his woman, and therefore he
made no secret of the fact that he was after
he might have seen the gunfighters in a certain a
certain light, you.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
I mean, according according to the history as we know it,
and and and what uh uh what what is in
our movie is at one point, as they were as
the IRPs were walking down to confront the.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
That's true brothers that right before the gunfight. Yeah, Being
tried to stop them. Yeah, you know, I'll let me
go down. I can, I can, I can. I can
disarm them. I'll disarm them, you know. And and and.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Like I said, one of the guys that that they
wanted to disarm, they just smashed over the head.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Oh yeah, just like and they and they brushed right
past Being when he said, hey, guys, I can calm
this down. Yeah, you know, I can go disarm them
if that's what needs to be done. But like you know,
Bean knew that they were on.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Their way out of town. Has there ever been Jim
Enny Uh?

Speaker 1 (43:39):
And then and then you know when Wyatt did start
has been Detta arrayde has been Debta ride. He got
he got warrants out for his arrest for some of
the people he had killed. Whyatt did and in the
movie when Johnny Ringo, you know the parts of the
script that got cut out, but Johnny Ringo is is
writing with being uh and deputized by being to go

(44:03):
arrest Wyatt. And that's when one at toward the end
of the movie, when when Ringo was writing around chasing
after whyt.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Well, But that was never in the script. That was
never in this the original script that you know. Okay,
that is as far as I remember. I mean that
that is history and the great Vendetta ride. As I
said to you before, in the movie, they look, uh

(44:31):
what's his name? Comes on, does a voice over and
and basically Mitcham talks about them cleaning up the West
and you know, cleaning everything up. In fact, they they
killed three people, uh, and one of them was curly
Bill Brocious, and another one was was it Johnny Deuce

(44:55):
Deucepine the or was it the There was a Hispanic name.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Uh, Rodrigo or something that I don't remember hearing, Faro Farohquaro,
something like that. And then there was the guy that
they did killing Tucson. That name the name still Well,
I believe still will still still well, still will right
does that?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
That was the whole revenge ride that the guy you
know at.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
The beginning of Tombstone when when when Ringo your character says, uh,
that's not what he said. Your your Spanish is worse
than your English. Yeah, the guy you're talking to, that
guy is the guy the third guy who was killed
that character.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Uh in the Vendetta ride what I call it an
ignorant wretch.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the one you call it in ratch
Spanish is worse than your English. Yes, yes, exactly that.
That's the guy who wants up getting killed.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
So so the revenge ride or what's it called, what right,
Vendetta that Debta ride is all of like it's three people. Yeah,
that's what it is, and it's always taken on this
Vendetta ride. Well, he went out and he killed three people,
like him and his brothers or or or whatever was

(46:16):
left of his brothers, you know, went out and killed
three people, and you know at that point, you know,
Jim there never really has been obviously obviously. Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
First, Michael Orker's character, do you remember, no, because he
because he starts off as a cowboy and then he
gets kind of disgusted and he winds up on Earth's
side towards the end.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Can you look that up, Cayln, look up.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Michael Sherman something.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right, Sherman something.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
And he he sort of art off with the cowboy
and then.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
In the movie.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, yeah, and that's sort of true masters I think
it was, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's writing
with Wyatt, he's one of the people writing with Wyatt ride.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yes, yeah, yeah, but the Vendetta ride, like I said,
is three people, so there.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
So we go from that, uh to when there are
warrants than out for his arrest, it's because he's out killing,
is that correct? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yes, he basically kills those still for killing still.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Killing Frank Stillwell, so there's a there's a like a
murder uh warrant or whatever you call it, like hanging
over him. And that's basically the end of him being
in Tombstone, correct.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Pretty much the end of him being a law man
ever ever, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
And he goes from that area and I'm talking about
Wyatt now he goes from that area to uh does
she go from there directly to where? Where's when? And
does a prize fight take place that he rush?

Speaker 1 (48:25):
I think that takes place. I think that's uh. I
think that takes place in the after the turn of
the century, he from what I understand, he kind of
roamed around the West a bit. He and Sadie hooked
up eventually in San Francisco again, but he wound up
in southern California and then during the Alaska Gold Rush.

(48:50):
He went up to know Milaska.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, yeah, he was up there for a while.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
I think, no, didn't didn't probably ran a couple of horrors, though,
I'm sure he did. Uh, And he kind of you know,
bummed around the West for the most part. And I
think the wh that fight occurred, I think I think

(49:21):
it occurred in like nineteen oh six.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
H Well, I'm you know the prize fight that he
was refereeing.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Uh uh, it's it's you know, the the one of
the fighters in that fight is a name that I
was familiar with and like Willard or.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Oh, Jess Willard.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Was it Jess Willard? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Or was it refereed in eighteen ninety six? It was
he refereed a match between Bob Fitzsimmons and Tom Sharky.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Bob that was Bob pitt Simmons, I think probably was
the champion. That name to me kind of remember that,
and then he was accused of throwing that fight being
the referee.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Well, yeah, Fitzimmons was dominating the fight and appeared to
knock Sharky out with a punch to the jaw.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Okay to the jaw.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
However, Irp stopped the fight, claiming the punch was a
foul below the belt right right, so RP handed the
fight to.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Sharky.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Basically, the crowd was furious, believing RP had deliberately favored Sharky,
potentially due to betting. Many felt irp's decision was a
blatant fix. The incident significantly damaged IRB's reputation, with many
questioning his integrity. Ert maintained that he had called the
fight fairly, but his explanation was large he dismissed by

(50:54):
the public. The controversy followed her for the rest of
his life, becoming one of the most talked about episodes
of his career.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh. And that then he went to Alaska.
Was after that gym or before that that?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
He was No, that would be after that because the
the Alaska gold Rush did in the current til about
two years later in eighteen ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Okay, okay, yeah, that's how he went up to Alaska
and then came back and then did that and then
he ended up living It was in Hollywood itself Santa
Monica that he lived with his horror wife.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I don't know if he lived in Santa Monica.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
But uh, I don't know what. I know he lived
in mine.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yeah, I know he lived in I know he lived
in la and he was hanging around movie sets. I
think John Wayne knew him and said that he sort
of based his his the way he walked on. Uh. Well,

(52:05):
he he wound up, he wound up dealing Pharaoh with
Bat Masterson for a while after uh, after Tombstone in Colorado.
That's kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Well, I know also too, you had that picture that
you grabbed that.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Oh, I grab this picture just because I I like
photographs and I've got some really nice ones with this
picture is a picture of Marlon Brando putting his makeup
on in uh what's the movie where he plays this

(52:49):
on the waterfront And uh, it's really a photograph that
I bought, you know, probably twenty years ago and really
loved that photo. Just loved loved the photo because he's
putting on his own makeup and that's very I'm not
believing comparing myself to Brando, but I can relate to

(53:12):
the fact that but no, no, no, let me fucking put
let me put my fucking blood on, you know, no
no more blood. You know that I could kind of
relate to putting my my own makeup on. But I
I bought this for myself, uh years ago, twenty years ago,
and I bought I've got some some other uh photos,

(53:39):
I've got some.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
One remember remember his famous speech in uh in Waterfront
in the back of the car to Rod Steiger could
have I could have been a contender, Charlie instead of
a bum, which is what I.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Am, right right, Uh yeah, anyway, uh So, anyway, that
that that when I came here to do the podcast,
and or originally when I came here, I probably to
do to go to the very first super Bowl party?

(54:13):
Was that the first time I was here? I think? So, yeah,
that would have been like not this past super Bowl,
but the super Bowl before. This picture somehow ended up
in here. So I must have at some point given
this to you.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
So that picture was hanging up in our house growing up,
and then when I left to get my first studio
apartment when I was eighteen, I took that picture, said hey,
can I take that?

Speaker 2 (54:43):
You said yeah, sure, yeah, yeah right.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
So that was hanging up in that studio apartment, the
apartment after that, the apartment after that, and the apartment
after that, and then I finally moved in with my
now fiance and there just wasn't room for it.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
So that goes.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Well, I had all my art just sitting in a
storage unit, and so when we were, you know, doing
this podcast, I went to the storage unit and I
saw that and I brought it out, and I thought
it'd be a nice thing to be to put on.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
The wall over there.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
There's there's that other one that you can't see right
now that we're in previous episodes.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
That's you.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
That that picture of you and tombstone by that artist
that I've always loved.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
So yeah, but buck uh yeah, it's Johnny Rainge girl.
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
So I took both of those pictures out and just
hung them here and just for so would look cool.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah. Uh, I was trying to think. I thought I
had something else that I wanted to uh talk about
when it came to these pictures. Oh, I know. I

(56:05):
have five boys, and uh, Caitlin is what the third
the fourth boy is twenty two, just turned twenty two,
and h he's living with me, he's going to school.
He's kind of on his way to becoming a first

(56:27):
responder a whatever you call MT.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Yeah, paramedic type.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Exactly wants to work with a fire department all that, right, right,
that type of stuff. I love those guys.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Well, I've seen too many of them in my lifetime.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Well he's and he's he's already been in situations where
he's been in life and death situations with people. But
so I have a room at my house. It's connected
to my house, but it's Caitlin knows the room very well,
and I it was a little bit of a man cave.

(57:09):
I was just I was always back there when I
just wanted to be by myself. And when Alex decided
to move to Los Angeles and pursue this career, I said, well,
you know, come stay with us until you get on
your feet and we'll help you out as best we can.
And come stay in that room. And I had I

(57:33):
love the photos and artwork that I had gathered, you know,
over the last forty years, most of it I had
in that in that room. And you know, it's just

(57:56):
that I thought it was like so cool. And so
he moved's in there and he just starts taking the
ship down. I don't want this here, and I want
this here, you know. So I've got this big pile
it's still like it's leaning up against that. We have
plans to build on to our house. But now there's

(58:21):
a pile of about at least ten or probably twelve
photographs that I that I always thought, well, it's probably
worth a little bit of money. Now, some of them
about years ago, and some of them are actually well

(58:42):
known photographers. And yeah, I just took them all down
and said, look here, now, I don't want that one.
Don't want that one. He did keep one picture that
was in there of me that I usually I don't
have very many pictures of me in my house. This
is a picture that Rick Flinch drew and Rick Flinch

(59:03):
I wanted to have on the podcast. Rick is b
l T is a company that does commercials and oh
yeah yeah post holsters for movie movie sites. And over
the years they they they I'm not sure if they
are still but they twenty years ago they were the

(59:26):
only place in town. Because he's worked with Spielberg, He's
worked with Jim Cameron, he's worked with Scorsese. I mean,
he's just worked with everybody. And I'll tell this quick
story and there's a maybe that I talked this. It's

(59:49):
a single that I was talking to well.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
If James Cameron the edit, Yeah yeah, you told that
one on the ABYSS episode about cutting the trailer.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Yeah, ye yeah, okay, all right, So basically, yeah, he cut,
he cuts trailers and and and basically he's the there's
a business. There's three of them, b l T. He's
l Lynch, Rick Lynch. And I wanted to have him
on the podcast because he's an artist and uh, you know,

(01:00:20):
very very very successful, uh creator of you know, movies,
uh movie posters and and trailers now and uh so
uh hopefully we can have him on. I'm going to
uh reach out. I had a conversation on an airplane

(01:00:45):
probably a year ago or two years ago, uh with
Mickey Dolan's and Mickey Dolan's is uh. Uh was in
a group called the Monkeys, and and uh I did
that terrible movie that the cople of Kid directed, and

(01:01:09):
Mickey was in that. And so when I saw I
saw Micky on an airplane and we weren't sitting next
to each other, he was sitting behind me, and I
just turned around to say hi to him and and
and remind him that we were in the movie together.
And we got talking, and God, what an interesting fabulously

(01:01:31):
sort of interesting, fun storyteller. He is. I'm going to
have a chance to talk to him in the next
couple of weeks and hopefully I can, I can get
him to do the podcast. I think he's La based and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Uh so he had he had quite a career before
the Monkeys when that was an actor in a Disney series.
I remember him from something called Circus Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Okay, back in the fifties.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
He was yeah, Circus Boy and uh uh, and he
was in a TV series called Mister no Back about
a teacher.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Was it was it Bob Rafelson who was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, yeah, it was Bob Rafelson, a couple other guys.
Well what it was Rafelson direct five Easy Pieces?

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Oh wow?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Yeah, yeah, he directed. He was one of the producers
of Easy Rider. He directed, uh pretty good Jeff Bridges movie.
We talked about it in connecting with Arnold Schwarzenegger called
Stay Hungry right right, right, And but Arnold has a
pretty good speaking part in that movie. He playing a bodybuilder.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
He kind of they they they created a group so
they could put him on television. Is that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Yeah, they were supposed to like emulate the b right,
you know, and and you know they they basically had
two really good songwriters, Boys and Heart, writing all their
songs for them, or most of their songs for them.
Boys and Heart were great you know, pop pop songwriting
duo who wrote songs for a number of artists, and

(01:03:18):
so they had this you know, really solid I think,
don oh god, there was another famous music impresario who
had a lot to do with putting these guys together
as a group. And I watched, you know, and and
even now I can hear some of their songs and
say it, you know, not a bad song, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Yeah, well they so, you know, they they I think
that Mickey was at a theater, a big theater here
in town about a year ago doing you know, still

(01:03:58):
doing music and it's called the Yamaha Theaters. Are you familiar?
Oh yeah, I believe. And uh, hopefully I'm gonna have
a chance to talk to him. I'd love to get
him on the show because he's just you know, between

(01:04:19):
he and he's the one who's who's who produced the
documentary about Harry Nielsen and I told the story about
him dying and that that all comes from from from Mickey,
and so I don't know, I don't, you know, I
don't want to make any promises, but I'm gonna uh start.

(01:04:43):
Oh and by the way, I you know, Jim Cameron.
I reached out to and I asked him if he
would be interested in uh speaking with me for the podcast.
She said, yeah, absolutely, Michael, And as only Jim Cameron said,

(01:05:03):
as Jim Cameron would say, he basically said, you know,
I'll do it now. We can do it if you
want to, we can do it now, or we can
wait until Avatar three comes out, which is this fall,
and that will drive a lot more viewers toward to

(01:05:28):
this site if it's during that time period. And I'm
obviously I didn't think of that because I'm not fucking
Jim Camra. Now come on tomorrow, you know. No, wait,
wait until the middle of the cycle where everybody's talking
about Avatar, and then and then and hopefully maybe you know,

(01:05:50):
if he's in LA I'll be able to get him
in here in person.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
And probably I bet he would be in La around
when you get closer to when movie is going to
be released into theaters, because he'll be wanting to do
a fair amount of press I would imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah, he will, and he always does to press yeah. Yeah.
And the first thing I was going to ask him
was about that. No, not for about thirty years, No
forty years. No, not for about forty years in the terminator, No,
that viral equip about yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know

(01:06:28):
how like you know, like I said before, I mean,
he could have come up. It could have been ten years,
could be six in the years, you know, but yeah,
fucking kind of nailed it, didn't he. It'd be very interesting,
you know, because Jim will still be a relatively and
who what I consider now that I'm old, a relatively

(01:06:50):
young man in his mid seventies. I think when I
think Avatar, I think the whole Avatar franchises due to
be sort of wrapped up in thirty twenty thirty three, Okay,
so that's eight years. That would put him in his

(01:07:11):
late seventies. If you look at somebody like Ridley Scott,
I'd be very interesting to talk to Jim also about
like you know, what you know, how much what else
he's doing and what he's doing these days as far

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as content goes and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Anyway, is there is there an Avatar four?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Well? I think there might be. H I mean, there
has to be, because I well I want the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Last I heard he said he had a script for four,
but I think it was around the time that two
came out, and he said he had a script for four,
but there hadn't been any kind of final decision about
whether it would go into production, but he said he
had received really good fees back from Disney regarding it.
So but as from what I understand, none of it

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had been filmed yet.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Well, it looks like right now he's planned for five
Avatar movies, the last one coming out in twenty thirty one,
but just based on an AI response, it says he's
also expressed interest in making Avatar six and seven, but
he may not direct them, so I think he plans
to do five.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Okay, wow, wow, Well he's gonna catch up to fucking
stallone and Rocky or Mission Impossible. What I heard? You know, Jim,
it's interesting that, like with Mission Impossible, like the very

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very first thing he hears, Ah, yeah, it makes made
this much money. It's a big deal. And it turns
out Mission this new Mission Impossible is going to have
trouble making its money back. Are you aware of that
those figures at all?

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Well, what was the cost on that thing?

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Well, that that's what it has. The cost and the
cost is very very high obviously, and then there's like
all the other costs that go into it. And you know,
I thought when it came out of the box and
it was like I had already made you know, two
hundred and fifty million dollars after a week or whatever
it was, I just thought, oh my god, just another huge,

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huge hit for Tom Cruise. And then recently I've read
that like the movie was so expensive and so expensive
to market and blah blah blah, that that movie is
is not going to what is it? What color means?
It's green? I guess green would be the color that

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we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
It's in the red.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Yeah, you don't want to be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Its budget is pegged at between three and four hundred million,
with worldwide box office of about five hundred million. And
you got a bear in mind that the theater owners
take about half a box office, so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
And you typically whatever the budget is for a movie,
you typically double it for advertising as well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Right, I don't know about that. I don't know that
they spent double the budget for I don't know if
they spend a billion dollars advertising that movie. But they
certainly spent a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
There was like a lot of weird, Like they ended
up changing the name of the first one, or like
the first one came out and didn't do like as
well because this is a part two right, Yeah, it's
the part two movie, and so like the first one
came out and didn't do quite as well as they thought,
so they like changed the name of the second one
to imply because it's called Mission Impossible the Final Reckoning,
so it kind of implies that it's the last Mission

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Impossible movie.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
But yeah, yeah, exact course, never say never again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
You know what was it? Oh, it's the We were
talking about Adam wing Guards. They've talked he and his
writing partners, not him himself, but his writing partner, the
guy helped him write Onslaughter. The two of them wrote Onslaught.
We're talking about Face Off and possibly them doing some

(01:11:25):
sort of remake on Face Off. And I'm not sure
why I got off onto that except for that in
Face Off, and I haven't seen that movie in a
long time, and I don't remember, but one of them
gets killed in a probably a pretty horrendous way, and
he's obviously fucking dead, and I guess Towards the end

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of the movie, he's laying there and there's a quote
from Adam's writing partner that says, well, they didn't put
a sheet over the top of the body, so therefore
that week we can take some dramatic license here. Yeah,

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he caught it. He caught fifteen. Well that's like them.
Oh no, I can't say that. I can't even move that.
Oh well, of course we could have cut that out. Yeah. Yeah,
Actually Adam called me. Oh no, he didn't call me.
He called to get my telephone number about a week ago,
and I was like, oh great. So as an actor,

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like so Adam, Jennifer says, Adam's assistant called and she wanted, uh,
Adam wants your telephone number. I'm like, oh yeah, okay,
give it to him. And I got his number, and
so right away I'm thinking, okay, well what is this?

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And as an actor, everything goes through your mind from
you know, Michael, it looks like that sequence that you
worked on for three weeks, and uh, it's not it's

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not gonna be. It's not going to be in the
movie that didn't make the final cut. Every everything from
that to uh, hey, yeah, Michael, I've got this new movie.
I'm wrote a script.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
Just for you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
You're the only one who can play the part.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Yeah, and everything in between. It probably was probably I'm
guessing he's got something put together he wants to screen
for some people, But I don't know. And but I'll
let you all know as soon as possible because and
by the way, if there's anybody listening to this, I
was a little bit I've always been a little bit

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disappointed by how many people watched his episode because, uh,
but you know, I could be wrong. That's happened once
or twice before. But I really have a lot of
confidence in it, in him, and I really think Onslaught
it's going to be a big, fantastic fun movie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
And I think the business has a lot of confidence
in him too. If he's being approached about, you know,
doing things like rebooting Face Off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
You know, his his position in.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
The industry is pretty well established at this point, and
I suspected Onslaught will be a a pretty well known
movie when it comes out, attract a lot of the
Tami well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
And I can guarantee too that when the movie comes
out and it's gonna be awesome, people are gonna watch it.
And then they're gonna go back and watch that interview like, oh, yeah,
maybe I should have watched that. Yeah that once he
starts hitting, they're going to go back for that interview
even though it's out now you should go watch it now,
but you're definitely gonna go back and watch it once
comes out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Yeah yeah, all right, So I listen, We've come to
the end of our uh second half, so the time
is running out, Jim, time is running off the clock,
and uh I I I have enjoyed this three hours

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with you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
We should ring in the old Carol Burnette sign off
music at this point grab my ear and pull my ear.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Yeah yeah that was that. Wasn't that her way of
saying hello?

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Something that wasn't Yeah, We've got to think of some
other shows to go out on, but listen, I just
want to thank everybody who has listened to us, who
seems to be enjoying our converse stations. Uh. Like I said, now,

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I'm like aware that I can read like your comments,
and if you know, sometimes you guys will comment about
stuff that like, uh, well I want to hear about
the terminator. You know, it's like, well, like did I
just spolk talked about the Terminator for one of them,

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the entire movie, or Aliens or Tombstone or the Abyss
and and the Rock and and uh so you might
kind of keep in mind that I've covered most of
my movies big ones, the good ones, but sometimes the

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bad ones and the ones that are kind of funky
are more fun to talk about. It's a lot more
like the slime that goes on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Well, I still think you should do an episode on
Navy Seals, like a full one of those, because you know,
you hate that movie, but a lot of people really
like that movie, and it's it's just a kind of
fun movie. I haven't seen in years, But that's one
that I think you can get some stories from. I've
heard a lot of people asking about the art of
war recently of Wesley Snipe. Yeah, and then then of
course there's K two people still want to hear about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Yeah. Yeah, Well I can, you know, I can you know,
I can talk more. I don't you listen. I don't
hate I don't hate Navy Seals. I just thought it
was an opportunity to do Top Gun. It's a big disappointment,
I would say it was.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
It was not so much hate because you had higher
expectations and aspirations for it, right now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Yeah, and you know, we have talked a little bit
about the beginnings of how I got involved in what
a fucking you know. I got to get that story
straight so I can tell it better when I when
I do it by thinking that the director had done

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one thing, when turned out it was somebody else. Oh
he wrote he directed that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Okay, I mean, okay, yeah, that's a good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
I liked that movie. Oh he didn't direct it. Oh,
I've already signed the contracts. He directed what.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Never mind?

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
The sequel, the Romancing Oh, no, one know what he saw?

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I actually saw it, and remember distinctly remember thinking this
is just fucking horrible. And I don't do that very
often with movies. But I guess that's what I'm supposed
to be doing here, is digressing, right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
I remember the reviews were so bad of that movie.
I never bothered to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
The first was quite enjoyable. Yeah, yeah, Romancing the Stone,
that yeah, that was my mecha. Yeah sure, yeah, all right,
well listen, our time is up. Yeah, Jim, thank you
very much. You guys, I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
I love you too, and to all the people watching
this on YouTube, please go and subscribe on Spotify and Apple,
even if you don't listen to it there. It'll help
us grow a lot. The more we grow, the bigger
we get, The bigger we get, the more fun guess
we'll get to have on so it'll be for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
How to do that? So I can? I can subscribe
on Spotify, subscribe your own podcast? Yes, exactly, Well I did,
all right, Jim, Thank you all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Calculator Strange, which hand would you choose?

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Crazy coming with us Seadre job