July 9, 2025 • 63 mins
In this week’s second episode of Just Foolin About, Michael and the gang begin by talking about Adam Wingard’s upcoming A24 film ‘Onslaught’. They explore the intricacies of film release schedules, the role of producers, and the shifting landscape of movie marketing. The conversation then turns to the abrupt halting of Bill Murray's 'Being Mortal,' the ill-fated 'Broadway Brawler' with Bruce Willis, and the shocking decision to scrap Warner Brothers' $90 million 'Batgirl' film. Michael also touches on his concerns for the future of AI and how it will impact the film industry
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction & Onslaught Updates
08:43 Bill Murray Controversy and Movie Shutdowns
17:27 Bruce Willis and Broadway Brawler Incident
22:52 Freddie Rodriguez's Career
27:24 Movies That Stopped Production Midway
33:19 Louis CK, Ridley Scott, & Batgirl
37:37 Box Office Trends and Decline
41:15 AI's Impact on the Film Industry
53:30 The Shah of Iran's Exile
58:29 Outro
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction & Onslaught Updates
08:43 Bill Murray Controversy and Movie Shutdowns
17:27 Bruce Willis and Broadway Brawler Incident
22:52 Freddie Rodriguez's Career
27:24 Movies That Stopped Production Midway
33:19 Louis CK, Ridley Scott, & Batgirl
37:37 Box Office Trends and Decline
41:15 AI's Impact on the Film Industry
53:30 The Shah of Iran's Exile
58:29 Outro
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I have declared war against my brain in order to save.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That once don't seem to.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So long as only they will be time then.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
The days I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Okay, So here here we are again. And uh gee,
I have on the same T shirt that I had
on every.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Other episode you've done on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Ever, Well it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Getting you own another T shirt that's not black.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I own a bunch of black T shirts. And this
is one thing Adam wing Guard and I had in common,
is one we always were. We always wear black, which
I've got not only a black T shirt on, but
black pants and black tennis shoes. Always wear black. And
people always have trouble with our names. Is it wind Guard,
is it Younger, Yeah, it's and uh and we both
(01:05):
have some ties to Alabama. And if anybody hasn't, uh,
I still I'm I'm I'm looking at the movies that
are going to be released by A twenty four and
that movie is as far as I know, and I
haven't talked to Adam about it, But that movie I
(01:27):
do not believe is going to be released this year.
You don't think so you don't see it on the
schedule I don't see it on the schedule, and you
know it's not that was his hope was Yeah, that
was his hope. But you know, we had this conversation
I think before on the podcast that you know, some
people are good at making movies and other people are
(01:50):
good at deciding when that movie should come out and
what it should come out against, and you know, and
what is good timing for the movie. So yeah, you know,
when I originally talked to him when we were shooting,
and boy, he seemed confident and just casual and cool
(02:12):
and wonderful and like I said, he's been on the
podcast if anybody wants to go back and look at it,
he's just a wonderful guy. And I think he's just
a talent that's just waiting to jump through. Will be
strategy for him for years to come. Yeah. Well I
told him when he's forty two, I said, dude, if
you're anything like Ridley Scott, you'll be making movies for
(02:35):
another fifty years. And he was kind of like, yeah,
well I guess I will. But yeah, you know, originally
when I was working with him, he was like, I'd
like to get this out on Halloween. I'd like to
get this out on Halloween then and then I had
that conversation with him and Aaron, the producer, and that
(02:57):
was when the producers said, well, you know, somebody else
A twenty four will do. They're a little bit better
at this kind of stuff than Adam. Adam knows how
to make them. He does not sell them. Then I
go into always always go into the uh.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well camera a lot will determine on the on the
shape of their slate, what other movies, Yeah, what else,
how it fits into their schedule, plans and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, and most movies going back. Uh, Ever, since I've
been in movies, they don't get released six months later.
They might now because you know things. Things are different now,
but it used to always be a year. Usually you
can kind of count on things being about it about
(03:46):
a year.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
But anyway, last week you talked about him wanting to
ask you something. Did you link up with him at all?
You said he called you and you were like, you
didn't know exactly what it was about.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well, no, no, no, no, you know he called no, no, no,
he didn't call me. He asked his assistant to ask
Jennifer for my telephone number, and he didn't call. So
you know, when you get people like him. Jim is
(04:17):
the same way too. You know these people they you know,
they're like right in the middle of of of stuff usually.
And I always feel like an honor when somebody like
Jim who's going to do the podcast, but like Adam
(04:41):
who will take his mind off of something else and
actually listen to me and talk to me about my
concerns or my ideas. And you know, again that has
a tremendous cast. Uh, Caitlin, you can. I worked with
(05:04):
this girl. Her name is.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Rebecca, Rebecca Hall, Adriar Jonah, who's just a rising star
coming up, you know, Reginald Bill Johnson, classic Dan Stevens,
It's Dan.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It's just yeah. So I mean it has you know,
it's this great, great script and which I really loved,
and uh and then it's got all these great actors
in it. I just don't It's just I don't see
how it can go wrong. I really don't. And by
the time I was working on it, they had shot
(05:38):
eighty percent seventy five percent of it and uh uh
and he just seemed like the cat that swallowed what
is in Germany. He might know that one the canary.
The cat is swallowing for fucking port canaries? Did they
used to take canaries down in mines to see if Nary? Yeah,
(06:00):
because he died it was time to get out of
the coal mine. There's an old police song with that title,
can a coal Mine? U s got a reggae vibe
to it. Yeah, I think I know that. I think
I you know, as soon as you said that, I
could hear that in my mind. Yeah, I wanted to
(06:24):
talk to you, Jim a little bit about ly we
talked about Tombstone before and the fact that like that
movie could have like stop shooting and not recovered and
and or we would have had to stop for a
long time and refinance it and who knows what come
(06:49):
back to Hurt was really responsible for keeping the good
news about Tombstone. It was one hundred and sixty page script, Jim,
one hundred and fifty forty page script.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It was a long most I mean, you know, you know,
Kevin wrote a number of drafts of that script. The
two drafts I've seen. One of them is about one
hundred and forty some on pages. That was one dated
in November of ninety two, I believe, and that's when
actors were being submitted the script. You know, that's probably
(07:28):
the script you read. And then when you got closer
to production around March of ninety three, I believe then
the script got shortened down closer to one hundred and
thirty pages, but I'm sure earlier. And even at one
hundred and thirty pages for a shooting script, that's pretty long.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
That's kind of longish. And well, we had we had
the luxury and Kurt had the luxury, if you want
to call it that, to be able to shut down
that movie, and I think it was. It feels to
me like it was just like a weekend, almost a
madness where Kurt uh and there was another director and
(08:09):
I meant to ask Kaylin because he's probably in the
credits as like additional dialogue or so there's a guy
that they brought in who was who was a director
and maybe wanted to direct it finish it, and of
course they went with George Cosmonders, but there was a
guy that was helping Kurt kind of decide what needed
to stay and what needed to go. When I've talked
(08:31):
before about oh I lost this and I lost that,
and the women have lost this and they've lost that
and everything. Anyway, it turned out very good, but it
made me started thinking. It made me start thinking about
what Kurt fucking held that movie together, and so that
movie stayed together.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
The weekend I was watching him a A. I was
read actually something about Bill Murray recently, and I was
thinking about Bill Murray, and I was thinking, like, what
happened on that movie that he It was a movie
(09:20):
that he was doing about a year ago or two
years ago, and they were in the middle of production
and Bill Murray did something that an actress took offence
and said there was something going on that she was
(09:43):
not happy about and not comfortable with at all, and
then they just stopped shooting it to investigate. This was
kind of meat during maybe After Me too, but still
it had a lot of the meat too quality to it.
And they just stop shooting that movie. And then Mortal
(10:09):
was mortal being mortal, and one of the things that
you know, Jim, whenever they do these things. It wasn't
like I was looking for it or whatever. But Bill Murray,
according to what I read, okay, and you sent me
(10:33):
an article and I read the article, and according to
everything that I'm trying to find out what did Bill
Murray do that was so bad they closed down the production.
And second of all, we'll talk about the fact that
they never fucking continued shooting it. They just stopped shooting it,
and the movie never got made even though they were
(10:56):
halfway through it, which had to have cost some company
ten million dollars or twenty million dollars. That's not an
insurance claim. That's not something. I wouldn't think that you
would be able to get an insurance claim out of that.
And you know, I would think that, and maybe maybe
times have just changed, but I would think that Disney
(11:19):
it was if it's Disney or you know, would just say, well, okay,
we've investigated this for a day or two and this
is what we found out, and now we continue. And Uh,
from what I understand, she he settled with her for
like one hundred thousand dollars. And from what I read
(11:42):
in the article, Jim that you sent to me was
that he straddled her, whatever that means and not, and
there was a bed close to them. I don't think
they were the way that the way that it's written,
it's like there was a bed close to them. And
(12:04):
then he straddled her and then he kissed her, but
they both had on Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, that doesn't
seem like there's something missing here, there's something missing from him. Yeah.
Did you read the article, Jim? I read a couple
of them. Yeah, am I right about about what what
(12:27):
he's accused of doing, which sounds pretty like, well, you're
going to shut down a production? And then who made it?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
By the way, well Disney and Murray said, I I
did something I thought was funny, but it wasn't taken
that way. The company wanted to do the right thing,
so they wanted to check it out and investigate it,
so they stopped production. So but then they never resumed again.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So but what was the budget on that movie? I mean,
who doesn't resume a movie? I mean maybe they didn't
like the dailies and they gave them, but that's it.
That's a pretty big loss to just go like, well, okay,
well there was a disagreement between Bill Murray. He thought
he was joking around in a girl who thought it
(13:14):
was a sexual advance. And then and in the articles
that I read, the articles that I read, then I
think there's a there's a English magazine tabloid ish kind
of thing called the sun Hu. One of the articles
(13:38):
might have been from the Sun, and the Sun is
about as close as the what do you call the
rag magazines, the tabloids, Yeah, the supermarket tabloids. Yeah, like Inquirer,
Globe and those things. Yeah, about about as you can get. Now,
(14:02):
all of a sudden, half the article is about Gena
Davis and what Gena Davis claims happened to her when
she was working with him years ago. And you know
that he wanted to use a The son is Rupert Murdoch. Yeah,
(14:24):
you know what, you know what after after the article
you read the article, it's the Sun. And what's very
interesting is after the article there's very I don't know
what the word is, like like, you know, we thank
you very much for reading all the help we get.
We're trying to bring the news, you know that like
(14:44):
that thing that they do now basically asking for money
because there's such because they're a news organization and the
news organization doesn't make any money. And any help that
you can get, you know, that's coming from the fucking Sun.
It's like come on, yeah, yeah, So all of a sudden,
(15:05):
Geena d there's more in the story about Geena Davis
and what he supposedly wanted her to try a moussuse.
I guess one of those things you'd rub on your
back or who knows what. But I don't you know, Jim,
what happens? Do you know what the budget is was
(15:25):
on that million? Twenty million? All right, so somebody lost
twenty million dollars would have been Disney. But why why
wouldn't they have Just there's gotta be more to this story.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm sorry. It says it reportedly had a budget of
under twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Okay, well probably nine million, I mean nineteen million, and
reportedly who knows, but like why stop? Why? Why? Why
would why would that movie stop up? And you know,
(16:03):
I just can't figure it out. By the way, And
another thing that I noticed this in the articles they
mentioned Bill Murray about thirty times. Did they ever mention
the actress's name and prod oh oh oh oh? I
thought it was an actress. It was a pa. There's
(16:28):
a big difference between.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
If you're straddling a p a and snacking you with
your mask on.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
But that's pretty benign, don't you think, Jim. It's like
if if he's a comedian, for God's sake, you know
he's a comedian. He goes up and he kisses you,
he's got a mask on.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
It doesn't sound a little like the kind of stuff
that got Al Frankin in trouble, you know, for like
the horseplay Boy.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Appropriate for sure.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
And you know, but but I started to have pretty
significant price for it. I started having this conversation. We
started having this conversation the other day, and I yesterday
or the day before yesterday, and you know, this reminded
me of the movie that Bruce Willis did, uh for Disney?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Also, I believe no for Disney. Well he did her
didn't do he did er didn't do uh uh that? Uh?
What was that called Jim called Broadway Brawl? And who
was the actress who was director Lee Grant Lee Grant.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Right, who who had won an oscar herself for her
performance in Shampoo, And she'd been in a number of
movies back in the in the seventies especially, and her
husband was one of the producers, and she was going
to be directing this thing called Broadway Brawler.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Well she did direct like twenty days or twenty five
days of it. Correct, oh yeah, yeah. So they well
into it. They go in twenty five days and I
guess Bruce Willis says, I don't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Well, he basically said, you're fired, and you're fired, and
and he fired the director and the producer and this
person and that person that he was firing, everybody right
and left, and Disney said, pull the pull, pull the
plug on the whole damn thing. So and they filed
the suit against him, a lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Correct, Yeah, okay, Well, I don't understand why they weren't
any lawsuits in this in this other.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Got resolved when Willis agreed to do a couple of
movies for Disney have a discounted rate, and he did,
he goes to do he Yeah, he agreed to do
three movies. They wound up being Armageddon, Sixth Sense, and
The Kid. And he agreed to do those for lesser
(19:10):
fees than his normal amount. But he got you know,
he got gross points on those movies, and two of
them were huge hits. Armageddon in the sixth Sense especially
was a huge hit. Given that there were no other
significant profit participants in that movie. You didn't have a
whole bunch of actors with grosser.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Points, so this is fun. Well, so it says. At
least for Armageddon he received three million, which is a
significant pay cup from his normal asking price of twenty
But the three movies he did do, the Sixth Sense,
The Kid, and Armageddon went on to together gross one
point three billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Right, yeah, yeah, right, And that was his punishment for fire,
like stopping a production in mid production and saying, you know,
I don't I don't want to do this anymore. Can
you do me a favor? Can you look up M
Night Shamalan and m Night Shamalan. It seemed to me, uh,
(20:15):
did what was the name of the first one, the
Ghost Movie, the Sixth Sense? The Sixth Sense? So he
did the Sixth Sense, which was like brilliant, just absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And then.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know, and I could be very wrong, that's kind
of Oh, I wanted you to look it up. It
seemed to me that he had, you know, like anything
he wanted. I think the next one he did with
Milk Gibson.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Now, the one he did after that, which was also
very good, is called Unbreakable.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It's pretty good with Willison sam Samuel Jackson, I believe.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
And then after that kind of start to go.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Down the Yeah, they Signs and.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
A bunch of Lady and Water or whatever it was
called in the Paul Giamaudi movie and Happen.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It was a very hilarious lead.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
But he's kind of making the comeback, you know, that
last movie he was quite successful, and he's got a
real tasty Jake Gillenol project coming up that they're going
to be shooting very soon.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, he actually so. Yeah, he made those two really
good movies and they kind of started to go downhill
more like Signs was okay, but then like they started
to go more and more downhill. And then he made
a movie with James McAvoy called Split.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
How many movies did he make between the second good
one and the James mcabory movie seven seven? Yeah, I
mean that's that's a lot of chances, it seems to me.
But I guess when your movies make a billion dollars
that people are willing to gamble a little bit on that.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
James. I don't know if you know the movie Split,
but James McAvoy plays a character with like, you know,
multiple personalities, and he's playing like ten different characters in
the movie and he's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, I've never seen that movie. Uh uh, you know
you mentioned something in the Water.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It's called Lady in the Water. Yeah, that's the Paul
Jamadi one.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Is Uh what's this? What's the name of the star,
Freddie Rodriguez? Can you look up Freddy? Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
What what about? What about him?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Was he in that in the in the water? And
was he in an m Night Shyamalan movie, the one.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
You worked with on Grindhouse, Dhouse? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Here his credits.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I'm not seeing okay. Oh no, yeah, he wasn't Leading
in the Water.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Okay, so he was Lady. You know what I just
wanted to, you know, point out, you know, people that
really don't understand the business, or sometimes the business doesn't
understand people. And there are so many situations of people
(23:20):
that you know, we think are going to be big
stars and these careers and other people that we don't
notice and all of a sudden they're stars. And Freddie
Rodriguez was a really sweet guy. And uh, he was
(23:42):
the person when we were doing Grindhouse, which was probably
seventeen or eighteen years ago, said to me, Michael, where's
your computer? And I was like, god, fuck, I don't
need a computer. He was like, yeah, you do my Yeah,
you come on, I'm gonna I'm gonna take you out.
(24:04):
We're gonna get a computer for you. I'm gonna show
you how to. You said, I'm gonna set it up
for you. Really a really, really, really sweet guy. And
you know, of course, ever since then, I have been
plugged in. I guess, as they say. But Freddie when
he did Grindhouse, which was a Robert Rodriguez Quentin Tarantino production,
(24:28):
that he was the star of of Robert's uh Planet Terror,
he was the star of that a half or or
the part that that Robert directed, not not what Quinton directed.
But he had also done the movie for m Night Shamalan.
He'd also done a movie Bobby Kennedy that Charlie Sheen's
(24:54):
Emilio Esteves director Bobby Bobby Uh. He had also done
a movie in.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
A movie with Kurt Russell called Poseidon.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But Poseidon that was now one done a pretty good
Hughes Brothers movie called Dead Presidents Too.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Well, he those movies that I'm talking about, Lady in
the Water, Poseidon, who's the guy?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
All of those movies were in two thousand and six
and two thousand and seven, they were back to back.
It was Bobby Lady in the Water, Posidon, Grindhouse Boom boom.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yes. And before that, he who's playing uh Al Davis
in the Madden movie Madden, Jim your favorite actor. I
always forget his name. He's screaming on the terminator, said
goddamn fucking cinematographer, motherfucker Cox. You know, come on terminating
(25:57):
on the terminator set. God is this close to them
to me being all right, So you're on the terminator
set like four and he's playing John come Christian. Oh yeah, yeah,
look at that. Right before that, he had done a
movie with Christian Bail too, right, so he didn't this Chris,
(26:18):
the Christian Bale movie had come out. He's got Bobby
coming out, He's got the Poseidon Offenser coming out.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Harsh times, harsh times.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Right, Uh and uh, I mean this guy was like
just set up and then every single one of those
movies fucking took a fucking dive, including Grindhouse didn't make
any money. Poseidon Offenser didn't make any money. If it did,
(26:49):
it didn't do what they were expecting it to do.
Bobby didn't do anything an lighty in the water, didn't
do anything, and here's a guy who had like a
career that you just thought like, oh my god. In
the last fail safe, fail safe, there you go fail
safe and just everything tanked, everything tanked, and uh and anyway,
(27:17):
I don't even I haven't really seen him since or
seen him in anything he does. He still looks.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
For a lot of years. He was on a TV
show called Bull. He was a main cast member that
he was from sixteen to twenty twenty one, So that's
what he was doing for a while.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Looks like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we were talking
earlier about movies that just they you know, they just
they stop in the middle and they and they are
there any other movies, Jim that you're aware of that
(27:50):
they shoot for twenty five or thirty days and then
just quit and go like, you know what, this isn't
working or you know there's a problem with.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
The Usually not, because by then you're so deep in
and you've got so much invested you. If the situation
becomes untenable and somebody has to go, you look for
a way to try to try to make up for it.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Usually the person who goes.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Is the director and Uh, you know, in a situation
like yours with Tombstone, you were four weeks in when
your director took off, and yet the movie. You know,
the pressures were there to try to hold that movie
together and did hold the game.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I had read that Louis c. K was doing a
movie and that uh, when he ran into his problem,
and that they shut that down for a moment and
replaced Louis c. K. Are you familiar with what that
(28:54):
movie is? No?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Now, I was just looking up movies that shut down
in the middle of production. I found another one from
two thousand and nine, a Robert Zemeckis movie with carry
Elwis in it that got shut down called Yellow Submarine. Really, yeah,
I'll look up the Kluisy k one.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
There's a there's a funny documentary called Lost in La
Mancha about it. Johnny Depp, Kerry Gilliam.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I've seen that. I've seen that. Yeah, that started.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
I don't think that one lasted a week, But I
mean that was just everything that could go wrong went
wrong with that movie, and they did have to pull
the plug on it. And I think some years later
Gilliam was able to pull together a production, maybe ten
years later Johnny Depp was no longer a part of it,
and he he kind of got the movie made, but
(29:43):
not the way he had intended to.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And you know, nobody, nobody saw it. Nobody saw it.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
But the documentary about the first movie Falling Apart is
hysterical to watch. Well, one of the It's Murphy's Wall
writ large everything that could go wrong when.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, I think it was Johnny Depp's co star in it.
It was I think a Spanish Spanish actor. Yeah, yeah,
they were shooting. They were shooting with him, well known
Spanish actor on a horse and they had him riding
around on this horse for a day or two and
(30:23):
he started complaining about a pain in his ass and
he had like a herniated disk prostate.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, he had like he couldn't sit on a horse,
and this is Don Quixote, and he could They put
him on a horse in his face would be racked
with pain. It was aimfully obvious that this guy can't
can't perform this thing. They they started shooting. They had
a location, they built this village set, they started shooting,
and somebody didn't whoever picked that location didn't appreciate to
(30:56):
tall You picked a location, right, next to a NATO
bombing range, and while they were trying to shoot, they
had these jets screaming overhead dropping bombs off in the horizon.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
So that kind of screwed things up.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And that night they had a like once every century
storm rolled through and completely trashed the village set that
they had put together. And then just two days later,
when they were still trying to find stuff to shoot, they.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Were gym is anything like the once in the century
storm that's just hit Texas, Yeah, day or two ago
pretty much.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Well, yeah, absolutely just and totally demolished this village and
uh uh. And so they had to, you know, find
some other stuff to shoot while they were trying to
rebuild the village. And that's when they discovered that their
lead actor couldn't sit a horse. And at that point
they said, oh fuck this pull the plug insurance company.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Did you find?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
It's called I Love You Daddy? And they actually made
the whole movie. It was it was scheduled to be released,
and then when his scandal came out, they just pulled
it from the theater. So they just decided not to
wide release.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
They just didn't release it at all.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Right, Yeah, so then you get first they canceled the
premiere due to unexpected circumstances, and then in November twenty seventeen,
a week four set to be released theatrically, it was
pulled from the schedule, and then Luis K ended up
I think buying distribution rights back from the company that
I originally purchased it from the Toronto International Film Festival.
(32:24):
So it was made, It was made and was scheduled
to come out in I think a limited race and
they just been Then the production company or the distributor
just pulled it.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And then if you wanted to, what was the budget
on that movie? And like, I mean, like somebody's just
going to take another twenty million dollar hit because it
was made with Louis K or they replaced Louis c K.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
It was made. It was made with LUISYK starring it.
He also directed, wrote it starring.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh okay okay.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Doesn't have the budget on what was it called? I
Love You Daddy?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And can you get that on?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And it's got like I mean, the cast is obviously Louis,
Chloe Grace Moretz who's a big actress, Charlie Day, John Malkovich, Wow,
he Edie Falco like it's got it's got names in.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It, ah and is it available?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Probably? Let me let me look up the budget. Let's see.
Reportedly the film had a budget of five million dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Okay, okay, that's a little bit smaller deal. I had
read when I was kind of like looking at movies
that had shut down, I had read that they replaced
Louis c K. But obviously not. What happened is they
just kept making it. Because of the troubles that he had,
(33:44):
somebody decided not to put it out wide in theaters.
It's that movie available on.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I mean I tried to look it up on my
app and it didn't say he was streaming anywhere. You
might be able to like rent hit on Amazon or something,
but I don't know. I'm still looking at me production.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Problem Luis c K's site. He can, He'll run the studio.
Seems like that's what he does with comedy now. He
doesn't need HBO or anybody else.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
He just does everything himself.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
It just does everything himself. Yeah, Well that that reminds
me a little bit of uh the movie that guy
who directed Alien, Scott Ridley Scott directed a movie and uh,
(34:41):
all of a sudden they started having a problem again.
Like I'm getting tired now, I can't think of the names.
But uh uh. He ended up uh uh the guy
who had all the gay men who were like Evan Spacey.
(35:02):
What was the movie that he made? Jam? Was it
All the Money? All the Money It Takes or something
like that. Didn't they didn't they shoot?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, they shot that movie. Yes, and then he then
he had to go back to reshoot all.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Of and he only did it in the man. I mean,
this was just weeks before before I think it was
a movie about the Getty family.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
All the money, all the money in the world, and
and Spacey had he shot the movie with Spacey and
then all the Spacey crap happened and he basically had
to go reshoot Spacey stuff with Christopher.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Plumber and he did it just a couple of weeks
before the movie was due for release. It was amazing
that he was able to pull that off. Yeah, well
that's Redler Scott for you. Huh. Well, it didn't make
the movie any worth any more worth watching, but.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, yeah, that was that was pretty amazing. And then
there's that Batgirl movie that Warner Brothers made a couple
of years ago and just they were in production and
they just hold the plug on the whole thing, said
we're going to.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Do anything with it.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
And it was nearly done, a ninety million dollar movie.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Who it's is Disney Also, no, this is Warner Brothers.
Part of their their their Batman. They got ninety million
dollars in this movie, and they're three quarters of their
way through shooting it, and they shot it. They shot
it just yeah, and just said, fuck it. It's not
worth reshoots. It's not worse, it's not it's not worth releasing.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
It's not worth it doesn't fit into our current plans.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Who was the place? This was the Warner Brothers announcement.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
The decision to not release Batgirl reflects our leadership strategic
shift as it relates to the DC universe and HBO.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Max Okay, well, I don't know what that means. Leslie.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Leslie Grace is an incredibly talented actor and this decision
is not a reflection of her performance. We are incredibly
grateful to the filmmakers and cast a backgirl. We hope
to break with everyone in the near future.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
That sounds like drug Stan hopes. I'm truly sorry. I
promised never to Uh yeah, you know I offended anybody.
I've no man took a fence. Did anybody took a fence?
Then go fuck the Mattern't care.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
That didn't skin can't take a joke? Yeah, no, no,
it says. In August of twenty twenty two, Warner Brothers
Discovery announced that it no longer planned to release That
Girl on HBO, Max or theatrical.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
What what came out? Uh? Uh uh, Caitlin. This weekend
it did the uh dinosaur movie dress Park Jurassic Park. Okay,
so that's gonna be a huge movie. Jim, can you
look at the box office for the last month, because
(37:51):
seems like we were doing the podcast about a month
ago and I was going look at look at what's leading,
you know, the box office, and it was, you know,
movies that I was not aware of and didn't look
like they were all that. And then like three weeks
(38:14):
later it was still the same group. I mean, the
last month before Jurassic Park came out. That had to
have been a Here's here's what I'm trying to ask,
Jim is And I've been you know, I'd said for
a long time, movies are dying movies, you know, theaters.
It's just it just can't go on. It's just like
too easy to watch it on your phone and stuff.
(38:36):
Is the amount of and I know now it's a
worldwide and they're selling stuff in India and China and
things are different, but box office for the United States
of America is that down from how down? Do you know?
A good amount?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Although although I mean in terms of where it was
five or six years ago, it's down considerably where it
was before the pandemic. It's down considerably, okay, and probably
won't ever get back to, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
To that those levels.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
But this was a pretty good weekend. Jurassic Park opened
up close to one hundred and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Well, there's alwaystically there's these tent pole movies that do
do that kind of business. But I would like to
know how much money was made at the box office
in the month preceding or the six weeks preceding this
this uh sequel, because it just seemed to me there
(39:40):
was nothing in the theaters, just nothing in the theaters
to watch. And I that's kind of what I've you know,
thought for a long time.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
It's just like, uh, I mean, they had they had
Mission Impossible, so that helped.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Question.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But I'm seeing that in June, total box office gross
was a one hundred and thirty million according to box
office Mojo.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Lilo and Stitch did pretty well. And Stitch, what what
is that?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
That's like? It was an animated Disney movie that they
made into a live action one. Okay, and that did
very well.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Okay, all right, well I guess that.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Uh And there's a there's a new Karate Kid movie
out too.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Also the new Brad Pitt movie F one. I was
even think, Yeah, well that one.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I'll go to the theater to see that one. That
was released this weekend. Also, No, it's not for a
week or two.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
But it's doing it. It's doing it it extremely well.
It's doing extremely well, yeah, which is a bit of
a surprise because it was made I believe for Apple. Yeah,
and they generally, you know, haven't been that enthusiastic about
releasing their movie theatrically, but this might change their mind.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Okay, Well, I uh, I guess I'm just not familiar
with some of the movies that that have come out
and that have made a lot of money. I it
seems to me that we're just seeing less and less,
(41:24):
you know. And it kind of goes back to my
argument that you know about AI and how much AI
now is is infiltrating our universe, and the fact that
it seems to me that audiences, at least in America
(41:45):
are just like you can feed them anything you want
if it says Marvel on it or if it's a
children's movie, and you know, people run to see it.
So I've you know, I've heard filmmaking, and it's hard
for me when I'm talking to Alex about the fact
he wants to be an actor. I sat down with
(42:07):
Alex the other day and it's just my belief and
and and maybe I'm just wrong. Maybe I'm just wrong,
but I don't. I just don't. I just don't see
much future for the business of of of content the
way that we've been making it. And I think that, uh,
(42:33):
you know, AI is starting to surprise us, but I
think it's coming fast. And I think the idea that
I'm going to be able to protect my image, uh
is just fanciful. Is that the word fit? Fanciful? Fanciful, fanciful,
(42:56):
thank you, it's fanciful. Uh, you know, maybe I could
protect it from Disney for a couple of years, or
protect it from YouTube. I mean, uh yeah, some of
these uh Netflix or you know, or Apple TV or
some maybe I could maybe I could protect it. What
(43:18):
if some guy wants to go make a movie in
India with my likeness? What if somebody wants to go
make a movie, uh China, China, Scott have any copyright protection?
But yeah, yeah, and I just don't you know, I
you know, uh, I you know, I've had I go ahead.
(43:43):
It could be done already.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
It probably hasn't done, but you're not aware of well,
not to any great commercial degree.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I told you. Did I tell you about Seth Curry?
Or did I tell the podcast about Seth Curry?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I don't Yeah, no, I don't remember talking about that.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Okay, there all right? So Jim, I'm watching TV, not
watching TV. What am I talking about? I watch TV.
I'm looking at my phone. My phone is throwing stuff
at me that it knows that I like to watch.
And in between the eight and ten second clips of
(44:21):
half nude women dancing, you know, I'll get some sports stuff,
you know, And I got basically the basketball season just ended,
but about a month ago they were still in the playoffs.
And Seth Curry, I think he still plays for San
Francisco the Wars.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Steph Curry, Steph, Seth Curry is step brother.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah, yeah, who.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Stephan Curry is the Golden State Warriors star.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Okay, Stephan Yeah, yeah, the one who's been a star
for ten years. Yes.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
But it's confusing because his brother's name is Seth. So
that's why.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
And I was saying Steph. So I was like combining
the two brothers, and you know, okay, who am I
talking about about?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Stephan Curry?
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Stephan Okay, So I'm I'm my phone's throwing stuff up
at me, and here comes Stephan Curry. And it's obviously
one of those after the basketball game, you know, you
just need the stars of the team or anybody that
they ask, you know, need to sit down and answer
(45:33):
a few questions from the press. We've seen it hundreds
of times with hundreds of different basketball players. And so
I'm looking at Stephan Curry. So Stephan Curry is basically
talking and I'm watching it, and he's his team has
(45:58):
just been knocked out of the playoffs, and he starts
talking about the fact that he thinks he's going to
be retiring, which is like, well, that's that's big fucking
news that he's going to retire. That's you know, that's
that's huge. And then he proceeded to kind of ship
(46:21):
on a couple of his teammates and basically say, you know,
this guy didn't play up to his abilities. I don't
think he was trying that hard. I'm just sick of
all this bullshit. And that was and then that disappeared
off my phone and some dancing girls came home with me,
you know, my phone, and then something else came up,
and then, uh, and I just thought, in the back
(46:43):
of my mind, I was just thinking, uh, Stephan, Stephan,
Stephan Curry. That's that's that's just not in no, no,
nowhere in any of those NBA interviews. Dudes, anybody ever
am a teammate, They just don't do that. That's just
like unheard of. Yeah, but I still thought, like, that's
(47:06):
fucking weird. And then another basketball player came.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
They do this a lot with sports players. I don't
know what it is about, the postgame press conferences, but
that's like a ripe place for them to plug in
like an AI generated look alike and have them saying
ridiculous stuff like whatever it is about that setting the
postgame press conference. They do that with a lot of
players and coaches and stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Okay, well I it fooled me. Yeah, I mean I
after the second guy came up and he was saying
some silly shit and then he said, I gotta go.
I'm expected at at Ditty's something like that, and I
immediately went like, what second, what am I watching here?
(47:51):
And then I realized yeah, and then I realized that
what I had been watching was was AI. And I
didn't know the difference, and maybe maybe I wasn't looking
that hard. But that's now. So what are we talking
(48:16):
about two years from now? And what are we talking
about four years from now? And you know, there's just
no doubt in my mind that they're going to start
making movies that are completely AI. Absently, oh absolutely AI.
Like when Robert rober just made is I'll think of
(48:36):
the name of his movie in a second, which was
completely CG Sin City, Sin City, since City completely CGI.
Now we're gonna get like, we're gonna get movies that
are completely AI. And I I and I said this before,
I just feel if it's up to let's take America.
(48:57):
I forget about the rest of If it's up to
the tasts of what Americans want to watch, they're gonna
they'd I'm sure they'd rather go watch the AI stuff
than you know, something that.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Well, you know, Tyler Perry was building an eight hundred
million dollar studio expansion and he shut it down because
of A He saw what was coming when I'm not
putting eight hundred million into this, so he shut it
all down.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Well this is done in Atlanta probably, Yeah, yeah, he didn't.
He already put he already.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Was an expansion, eight dollar expansion shut down, and he.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Shut down because of AI. Yeah, well, I wonder how
much that has to do with the jobs And have
I mentioned on the on this Greg Nicotaro's noe and
his son the cinematographer, But I've just mentioned on the podcast. Yeah, yeah,
and so so I you know, it's uh, let me
(49:56):
see who was I talking to about this? Uh, somebody
fun I was talking to this about the other day
that it was just like, you know, we were like
I feel like I was right, like, boy, I was
born at the right time to be an actor, you know,
because I don't think acting is going to be the
(50:18):
same forget twenty or thirty years from now. But uh
and there's just going to be more and more stuff
for people to watch instead of acting. And I can
now I think that movies are going to go the
way of like like major League Baseball. Isn't major League
(50:41):
baseball sort of on a downslide?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
I think it's still I mean, it's not what.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
It was, but no, it's not as dominant as it
used to be, but it's you know, still reasonably healthy.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Well, anyway, we'll see, you know someday, uh Kaylin's daughter,
maybe my granddaughter might take I'm hoping that like that
instead of writing a book, at some point, somebody will
take the like four hundred hours of podcasting that I
(51:21):
do and turn it into an hour and a half.
This is who Michael be was.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
So well, you could probably get a to do that for.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
I know you could. Well, I've already uh uh in
just in the last two weeks. Uh, I was supposed
to get some award in Lake HAVISU and they wanted
to put my plaque up and at the high at
their high school in Arizona that I graduated from for
being you know, an exceptional person. After I graduated from
(51:54):
high school. Didn't have anything to do with lake Has
High School. I can guarantee you that, but but any anyway,
so and I said, okay, well just do it. I
just don't don't bother me anymore with it. And then
they want me to write an acceptance speech because I
wasn't going to show up to get it. And I said, Jennifer,
can you help me? Jim, you know I can't write,
(52:15):
so like, can you can you help me with this?
And so she just plugged it into AI and I
read it and I thought a little bit gener eric,
but yeah, why not send it over to me. I
don't care. I don't care at all. And then Alex,
my son Alex that was talking to you about has
got ah. He said, oh, I want to read my
(52:39):
new resume to you. And I wish I had it
here because before he said, you know, I worked as
a first responder in clubs, and you know I've worked
on as a first responder. I've been on some ambulances
like that, that kind of a vibe. And then he
(53:01):
gave it to AI and now his resume looks like
and sounds like, oh my god, I have to have
this guy working for me, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah,
I mean, it's absolutely, absolutely unbelievable. And one thing in history, Jim,
(53:26):
that I wanted to ask you about because I didn't
know it, but you know, just because Iran has been
in the news so much in the last couple of
weeks and with the war and everything, is that I
watched a documentary about the Shaw of Iran. Oh yeah,
and I was under the impression that when when the
(53:51):
Shaw left Iran, he just came to you know, that
he was our guy and that you know, and he
just came to the United States and then stayed in
the United States and everything was wonderful for him until
he died of cancer two years later. And as it
(54:15):
turned out, like that didn't happen at all. No, yeah,
explain what did happen?
Speaker 3 (54:24):
I kind of it's vague in my memory. But he
was more or less forced out of Iran.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yes, he had very bit. He was really ill.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
And he came to this country for cancer treatment and
that really pissed off the Iranians who had taken over.
But the I tools people, but we were giving safe
harbor to the to the Shaw, and that was one
of the reasons why they grabbed our people out of
the out of the uh.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
The embassy, you know.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
And and eventually we told the Shaw we didn't want you,
We didn't want him in this country. So they were
packing him off to the Caribbean. I think he wound
up in Panama. I think he wound up dying in Panama.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah. He was all over the place. Yeah, the Bahamas, yes, yes, yes,
and then back to one of the Middle Eastern countries. Yeah,
back to uh you know, he was in Texas, his
family was in Texas for a while. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I I uh, yeah, I didn't. But then it made
sense to me that that's, you know, the reason the
(55:26):
Americans and Jimmy Carter, poor Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
That was a bad stroke, bad stroke of luck for
that to happen in at that time. Yeah, for the
shot to fall apart, because for years we had regarded
him as a symbol of of strength in matt region.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Jim when they talk about nationalizing the oil over there,
what does that mean as compared to the way that
it was before.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Well, what it meant was instead of the Western oil
companies like you know, Chevron on New Shell and all
those companies, pulling the oil out of the ground. The
Iranian government said, no, it belongs to us. From now on,
you buy it from us. Instead of you owning these
leases to our property, we own it.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
We're going to be selling the oil.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
It belongs to us, right, So they nationalized the oil industry,
and the oil companies didn't particularly care for that, and
so we helped stage a coup and I ran in
nineteen fifty four and overthrew their elected leader, guy named
Mossadag and installed the Shaw for the next twenty five years.
And for those twenty five years, he was a real
important ally for US because he was he was anti.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Put spy hardware and Iran and spy.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
On the Russians very effectively for years, on the Soviets
very effectively for years. And he was like a real
strong guy. He was an oppressive dictator, and he was
really strong and too all of a sudden he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, And that's what happened to dictators, Absolutely really really
strong until they're not, and and suddenly they're not. They're gone. Yeah,
they're weak, you know.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
And and it just so happened that we he came
to this country for medical you know, assistance for for treatment,
and that pissed off the Iranians who had taken over.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Well that that that that sequence of events that took
place when Carter was in office, and I mean really
sort of changed and then Shawl leaving that really kind
of changed history. When I had Tootala took over. I mean,
it was like that was all westernized over there, you know,
when we're running around with you know, shorts on and
(57:41):
stuff like that, and it really is kind of fascinating
to go back and and and and look at Iran
and uh uh know that of course it was America
and England's you know, trying to make money off of
them and stick and you you.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
And I can remember, you know, all the Iranians who
kind of fluttered into La in the late seventies and
early eighties, Yeah, trying to escape from uh yeah, from
the show from the I tol I told.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Her Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I actually played racquetball with
a couple of those guys. Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, I'm
basically kind of my age.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
And uh remember that remember that guy who had the
Iranian who bought that mansion on Sunset Boulevard and he
had all those statues on the fence that he put
care on them.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yes, yes, yes, wow, only in La, only in La.
All right, well, listen, I guess we've come to the
end of our time. Yeah, you have anything else important
to say, Jim or Kaitlyn? Do you have anything like
(58:53):
that you wanted to mention or say that I didn't cover. Listen.
I I wanted to be able to do one or
two podcasts where I wasn't talking about myself, and I
think I accomplished that. Why I wasn't talking about myself
(59:15):
the entire time, well there was.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
We were talking about unfinished movies, you know. And I
found this a source called Unproduced and Unfinished Films an
Ongoing film comment Projects. My god, this is a compendium
of all the projects of projects that were started and dropped.
This thing goes back to like the nineteen twenties. This
(59:41):
was really interesting to look at all these various movies.
I remember one of them I mentioned was called The
Confederacy of Dunces that.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
I was part of it.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
One time when it first got off the ground, and
for years people had been trying to make that. That's
one of the best funniest books I've ever read.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
A guy named John Kennedy toole.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
He was a young fellow who died when he wrote
the book, and then he committed suicide about two years
later because he couldn't get his writing career going. And
his mother persevered and got the manuscript into the hands
of a well known writer named Walker Percy. And Percy
loved the book and told his university, Louisiana State University,
that they ought to publish this book. It was the
(01:00:24):
first work of fiction that they ever that they ever published.
And I knew a guy who was Paul Mazerski's development fellow.
Miserski was a client of bars at Ice him. His
name was Scott Kramer, and Scott and I were having
lunch one day and Scott said, you know, I bought
a book on Flowers of the Southeast from my mother,
and the university that I bought it from sent me
(01:00:45):
a card saying we're going to publish our first work
of fiction.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Would you like copy? And I said sure.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
So I read it and I thought it was standulous,
and I called him up and I said, hey, I
worked for a movie producer movie director Paul Mazerski. Would
you guys consider giving me a free option on this
book said, Yeah, what's a free option. Well, it's an
option and it's free. And Scott's been involved with that
book for years. Various people over the years have tried
to make it. John Candy was attached at one time,
(01:01:12):
Chris Farley was attached at one time. John Belushi was
looking at that. Steve Solderberger has been trying to make
it for years. One of these days, maybe somebody will
make it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
But that was one So is the the New Dinosaur
movie getting a lot of praise being it's got a
lot of box office Well, I know that. I'm just
wondering if it's I haven't read any reviews of it yet. Yeah,
it doesn't really make it dis' really make any difference
(01:01:44):
what the reviews say.
Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I'm curious how the Karate Kid reboots.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Currently wording at fifty two with the critics and seventy
two with the audience on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
That's not that great.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I mean, yeah, I've given up on really paying attention
to the critics scores on rot Tomatoes. But the audience
scores usually you can usually gauge a movie.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
But that's pretty low. What is it six seventy which
is seventy two. It's not bad. Yeah, it's like you know, yeah, yeah,
who stars in that movie?
Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Scarlett Johansson And I think maherschel a Ali Oh really
well good for here?
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Yeah? Uh all right, Well, like I said, I wanted
to be able to get through one of these podcasts
without talking about myself. And if we spend any longer,
I just have this need to just like make it
about me, so very proud of myself right now, it
(01:02:50):
might might be the time to sign off.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
When you feel that that that that bring yourself into
the conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Uh yeah, what was it? What's that saying? Enough about something?
What about enough about? Enough about me? Let's talk about you?
What do you think of me? There you go, or
we'll leave it with that one. All right, John, thank you,
I'll talk to you sir.
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
How much you'll let you look a strange begin show?
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Which hand would you choose to up a way?
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
What should you wait around that? How would you look
upon someone than you under me? Why do you come
along without shoes
I have declared war against my brain in order to save.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That once don't seem to.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So long as only they will be time then.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
The days I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Okay, So here here we are again. And uh gee,
I have on the same T shirt that I had
on every.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Other episode you've done on this podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Ever, Well it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Getting you own another T shirt that's not black.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I own a bunch of black T shirts. And this
is one thing Adam wing Guard and I had in common,
is one we always were. We always wear black, which
I've got not only a black T shirt on, but
black pants and black tennis shoes. Always wear black. And
people always have trouble with our names. Is it wind Guard,
is it Younger, Yeah, it's and uh and we both
(01:05):
have some ties to Alabama. And if anybody hasn't, uh,
I still I'm I'm I'm looking at the movies that
are going to be released by A twenty four and
that movie is as far as I know, and I
haven't talked to Adam about it, But that movie I
(01:27):
do not believe is going to be released this year.
You don't think so you don't see it on the
schedule I don't see it on the schedule, and you
know it's not that was his hope was Yeah, that
was his hope. But you know, we had this conversation
I think before on the podcast that you know, some
people are good at making movies and other people are
(01:50):
good at deciding when that movie should come out and
what it should come out against, and you know, and
what is good timing for the movie. So yeah, you know,
when I originally talked to him when we were shooting,
and boy, he seemed confident and just casual and cool
(02:12):
and wonderful and like I said, he's been on the
podcast if anybody wants to go back and look at it,
he's just a wonderful guy. And I think he's just
a talent that's just waiting to jump through. Will be
strategy for him for years to come. Yeah. Well I
told him when he's forty two, I said, dude, if
you're anything like Ridley Scott, you'll be making movies for
(02:35):
another fifty years. And he was kind of like, yeah,
well I guess I will. But yeah, you know, originally
when I was working with him, he was like, I'd
like to get this out on Halloween. I'd like to
get this out on Halloween then and then I had
that conversation with him and Aaron, the producer, and that
(02:57):
was when the producers said, well, you know, somebody else
A twenty four will do. They're a little bit better
at this kind of stuff than Adam. Adam knows how
to make them. He does not sell them. Then I
go into always always go into the uh.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well camera a lot will determine on the on the
shape of their slate, what other movies, Yeah, what else,
how it fits into their schedule, plans and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, and most movies going back. Uh, Ever, since I've
been in movies, they don't get released six months later.
They might now because you know things. Things are different now,
but it used to always be a year. Usually you
can kind of count on things being about it about
(03:46):
a year.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
But anyway, last week you talked about him wanting to
ask you something. Did you link up with him at all?
You said he called you and you were like, you
didn't know exactly what it was about.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Well, no, no, no, no, you know he called no, no, no,
he didn't call me. He asked his assistant to ask
Jennifer for my telephone number, and he didn't call. So
you know, when you get people like him. Jim is
(04:17):
the same way too. You know these people they you know,
they're like right in the middle of of of stuff usually.
And I always feel like an honor when somebody like
Jim who's going to do the podcast, but like Adam
(04:41):
who will take his mind off of something else and
actually listen to me and talk to me about my
concerns or my ideas. And you know, again that has
a tremendous cast. Uh, Caitlin, you can. I worked with
(05:04):
this girl. Her name is.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Rebecca, Rebecca Hall, Adriar Jonah, who's just a rising star
coming up, you know, Reginald Bill Johnson, classic Dan Stevens,
It's Dan.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It's just yeah. So I mean it has you know,
it's this great, great script and which I really loved,
and uh and then it's got all these great actors
in it. I just don't It's just I don't see
how it can go wrong. I really don't. And by
the time I was working on it, they had shot
(05:38):
eighty percent seventy five percent of it and uh uh
and he just seemed like the cat that swallowed what
is in Germany. He might know that one the canary.
The cat is swallowing for fucking port canaries? Did they
used to take canaries down in mines to see if Nary? Yeah,
(06:00):
because he died it was time to get out of
the coal mine. There's an old police song with that title,
can a coal Mine? U s got a reggae vibe
to it. Yeah, I think I know that. I think
I you know, as soon as you said that, I
could hear that in my mind. Yeah, I wanted to
(06:24):
talk to you, Jim a little bit about ly we
talked about Tombstone before and the fact that like that
movie could have like stop shooting and not recovered and
and or we would have had to stop for a
long time and refinance it and who knows what come
(06:49):
back to Hurt was really responsible for keeping the good
news about Tombstone. It was one hundred and sixty page script, Jim,
one hundred and fifty forty page script.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It was a long most I mean, you know, you know,
Kevin wrote a number of drafts of that script. The
two drafts I've seen. One of them is about one
hundred and forty some on pages. That was one dated
in November of ninety two, I believe, and that's when
actors were being submitted the script. You know, that's probably
(07:28):
the script you read. And then when you got closer
to production around March of ninety three, I believe then
the script got shortened down closer to one hundred and
thirty pages, but I'm sure earlier. And even at one
hundred and thirty pages for a shooting script, that's pretty long.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
That's kind of longish. And well, we had we had
the luxury and Kurt had the luxury, if you want
to call it that, to be able to shut down
that movie, and I think it was. It feels to
me like it was just like a weekend, almost a
madness where Kurt uh and there was another director and
(08:09):
I meant to ask Kaylin because he's probably in the
credits as like additional dialogue or so there's a guy
that they brought in who was who was a director
and maybe wanted to direct it finish it, and of
course they went with George Cosmonders, but there was a
guy that was helping Kurt kind of decide what needed
to stay and what needed to go. When I've talked
(08:31):
before about oh I lost this and I lost that,
and the women have lost this and they've lost that
and everything. Anyway, it turned out very good, but it
made me started thinking. It made me start thinking about
what Kurt fucking held that movie together, and so that
movie stayed together.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
The weekend I was watching him a A. I was
read actually something about Bill Murray recently, and I was
thinking about Bill Murray, and I was thinking, like, what
happened on that movie that he It was a movie
(09:20):
that he was doing about a year ago or two
years ago, and they were in the middle of production
and Bill Murray did something that an actress took offence
and said there was something going on that she was
(09:43):
not happy about and not comfortable with at all, and
then they just stopped shooting it to investigate. This was
kind of meat during maybe After Me too, but still
it had a lot of the meat too quality to it.
And they just stop shooting that movie. And then Mortal
(10:09):
was mortal being mortal, and one of the things that
you know, Jim, whenever they do these things. It wasn't
like I was looking for it or whatever. But Bill Murray,
according to what I read, okay, and you sent me
(10:33):
an article and I read the article, and according to
everything that I'm trying to find out what did Bill
Murray do that was so bad they closed down the production.
And second of all, we'll talk about the fact that
they never fucking continued shooting it. They just stopped shooting it,
and the movie never got made even though they were
(10:56):
halfway through it, which had to have cost some company
ten million dollars or twenty million dollars. That's not an
insurance claim. That's not something. I wouldn't think that you
would be able to get an insurance claim out of that.
And you know, I would think that, and maybe maybe
times have just changed, but I would think that Disney
(11:19):
it was if it's Disney or you know, would just say, well, okay,
we've investigated this for a day or two and this
is what we found out, and now we continue. And Uh,
from what I understand, she he settled with her for
like one hundred thousand dollars. And from what I read
(11:42):
in the article, Jim that you sent to me was
that he straddled her, whatever that means and not, and
there was a bed close to them. I don't think
they were the way that the way that it's written,
it's like there was a bed close to them. And
(12:04):
then he straddled her and then he kissed her, but
they both had on Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, that doesn't
seem like there's something missing here, there's something missing from him. Yeah.
Did you read the article, Jim? I read a couple
of them. Yeah, am I right about about what what
(12:27):
he's accused of doing, which sounds pretty like, well, you're
going to shut down a production? And then who made it?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
By the way, well Disney and Murray said, I I
did something I thought was funny, but it wasn't taken
that way. The company wanted to do the right thing,
so they wanted to check it out and investigate it,
so they stopped production. So but then they never resumed again.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So but what was the budget on that movie? I mean,
who doesn't resume a movie? I mean maybe they didn't
like the dailies and they gave them, but that's it.
That's a pretty big loss to just go like, well, okay,
well there was a disagreement between Bill Murray. He thought
he was joking around in a girl who thought it
(13:14):
was a sexual advance. And then and in the articles
that I read, the articles that I read, then I
think there's a there's a English magazine tabloid ish kind
of thing called the sun Hu. One of the articles
(13:38):
might have been from the Sun, and the Sun is
about as close as the what do you call the
rag magazines, the tabloids, Yeah, the supermarket tabloids. Yeah, like Inquirer,
Globe and those things. Yeah, about about as you can get. Now,
(14:02):
all of a sudden, half the article is about Gena
Davis and what Gena Davis claims happened to her when
she was working with him years ago. And you know
that he wanted to use a The son is Rupert Murdoch. Yeah,
(14:24):
you know what, you know what after after the article
you read the article, it's the Sun. And what's very
interesting is after the article there's very I don't know
what the word is, like like, you know, we thank
you very much for reading all the help we get.
We're trying to bring the news, you know that like
(14:44):
that thing that they do now basically asking for money
because there's such because they're a news organization and the
news organization doesn't make any money. And any help that
you can get, you know, that's coming from the fucking Sun.
It's like come on, yeah, yeah, So all of a sudden,
(15:05):
Geena d there's more in the story about Geena Davis
and what he supposedly wanted her to try a moussuse.
I guess one of those things you'd rub on your
back or who knows what. But I don't you know, Jim,
what happens? Do you know what the budget is was
(15:25):
on that million? Twenty million? All right, so somebody lost
twenty million dollars would have been Disney. But why why
wouldn't they have Just there's gotta be more to this story.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm sorry. It says it reportedly had a budget of
under twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Okay, well probably nine million, I mean nineteen million, and
reportedly who knows, but like why stop? Why? Why? Why
would why would that movie stop up? And you know,
(16:03):
I just can't figure it out. By the way, And
another thing that I noticed this in the articles they
mentioned Bill Murray about thirty times. Did they ever mention
the actress's name and prod oh oh oh oh? I
thought it was an actress. It was a pa. There's
(16:28):
a big difference between.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
If you're straddling a p a and snacking you with
your mask on.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
But that's pretty benign, don't you think, Jim. It's like
if if he's a comedian, for God's sake, you know
he's a comedian. He goes up and he kisses you,
he's got a mask on.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
It doesn't sound a little like the kind of stuff
that got Al Frankin in trouble, you know, for like
the horseplay Boy.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Appropriate for sure.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
And you know, but but I started to have pretty
significant price for it. I started having this conversation. We
started having this conversation the other day, and I yesterday
or the day before yesterday, and you know, this reminded
me of the movie that Bruce Willis did, uh for Disney?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Also, I believe no for Disney. Well he did her
didn't do he did er didn't do uh uh that? Uh?
What was that called Jim called Broadway Brawl? And who
was the actress who was director Lee Grant Lee Grant.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Right, who who had won an oscar herself for her
performance in Shampoo, And she'd been in a number of
movies back in the in the seventies especially, and her
husband was one of the producers, and she was going
to be directing this thing called Broadway Brawler.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Well she did direct like twenty days or twenty five
days of it. Correct, oh yeah, yeah. So they well
into it. They go in twenty five days and I
guess Bruce Willis says, I don't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Well, he basically said, you're fired, and you're fired, and
and he fired the director and the producer and this
person and that person that he was firing, everybody right
and left, and Disney said, pull the pull, pull the
plug on the whole damn thing. So and they filed
the suit against him, a lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Correct, Yeah, okay, Well, I don't understand why they weren't
any lawsuits in this in this other.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Got resolved when Willis agreed to do a couple of
movies for Disney have a discounted rate, and he did,
he goes to do he Yeah, he agreed to do
three movies. They wound up being Armageddon, Sixth Sense, and
The Kid. And he agreed to do those for lesser
(19:10):
fees than his normal amount. But he got you know,
he got gross points on those movies, and two of
them were huge hits. Armageddon in the sixth Sense especially
was a huge hit. Given that there were no other
significant profit participants in that movie. You didn't have a
whole bunch of actors with grosser.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Points, so this is fun. Well, so it says. At
least for Armageddon he received three million, which is a
significant pay cup from his normal asking price of twenty
But the three movies he did do, the Sixth Sense,
The Kid, and Armageddon went on to together gross one
point three billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Right, yeah, yeah, right, And that was his punishment for fire,
like stopping a production in mid production and saying, you know,
I don't I don't want to do this anymore. Can
you do me a favor? Can you look up M
Night Shamalan and m Night Shamalan. It seemed to me, uh,
(20:15):
did what was the name of the first one, the
Ghost Movie, the Sixth Sense? The Sixth Sense? So he
did the Sixth Sense, which was like brilliant, just absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And then.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
You know, and I could be very wrong, that's kind
of Oh, I wanted you to look it up. It
seemed to me that he had, you know, like anything
he wanted. I think the next one he did with
Milk Gibson.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Now, the one he did after that, which was also
very good, is called Unbreakable.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It's pretty good with Willison sam Samuel Jackson, I believe.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
And then after that kind of start to go.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Down the Yeah, they Signs and.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
A bunch of Lady and Water or whatever it was
called in the Paul Giamaudi movie and Happen.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It was a very hilarious lead.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
But he's kind of making the comeback, you know, that
last movie he was quite successful, and he's got a
real tasty Jake Gillenol project coming up that they're going
to be shooting very soon.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, he actually so. Yeah, he made those two really
good movies and they kind of started to go downhill
more like Signs was okay, but then like they started
to go more and more downhill. And then he made
a movie with James McAvoy called Split.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
How many movies did he make between the second good
one and the James mcabory movie seven seven? Yeah, I
mean that's that's a lot of chances, it seems to me.
But I guess when your movies make a billion dollars
that people are willing to gamble a little bit on that.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
James. I don't know if you know the movie Split,
but James McAvoy plays a character with like, you know,
multiple personalities, and he's playing like ten different characters in
the movie and he's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, I've never seen that movie. Uh uh, you know
you mentioned something in the Water.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It's called Lady in the Water. Yeah, that's the Paul
Jamadi one.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Is Uh what's this? What's the name of the star,
Freddie Rodriguez? Can you look up Freddy? Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
What what about? What about him?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Was he in that in the in the water? And
was he in an m Night Shyamalan movie, the one.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
You worked with on Grindhouse, Dhouse? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Here his credits.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
I'm not seeing okay. Oh no, yeah, he wasn't Leading
in the Water.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Okay, so he was Lady. You know what I just
wanted to, you know, point out, you know, people that
really don't understand the business, or sometimes the business doesn't
understand people. And there are so many situations of people
(23:20):
that you know, we think are going to be big
stars and these careers and other people that we don't
notice and all of a sudden they're stars. And Freddie
Rodriguez was a really sweet guy. And uh, he was
(23:42):
the person when we were doing Grindhouse, which was probably
seventeen or eighteen years ago, said to me, Michael, where's
your computer? And I was like, god, fuck, I don't
need a computer. He was like, yeah, you do my Yeah,
you come on, I'm gonna I'm gonna take you out.
(24:04):
We're gonna get a computer for you. I'm gonna show
you how to. You said, I'm gonna set it up
for you. Really a really, really, really sweet guy. And
you know, of course, ever since then, I have been
plugged in. I guess, as they say. But Freddie when
he did Grindhouse, which was a Robert Rodriguez Quentin Tarantino production,
(24:28):
that he was the star of of Robert's uh Planet Terror,
he was the star of that a half or or
the part that that Robert directed, not not what Quinton directed.
But he had also done the movie for m Night Shamalan.
He'd also done a movie Bobby Kennedy that Charlie Sheen's
(24:54):
Emilio Esteves director Bobby Bobby Uh. He had also done
a movie in.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
A movie with Kurt Russell called Poseidon.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
But Poseidon that was now one done a pretty good
Hughes Brothers movie called Dead Presidents Too.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Well, he those movies that I'm talking about, Lady in
the Water, Poseidon, who's the guy?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
All of those movies were in two thousand and six
and two thousand and seven, they were back to back.
It was Bobby Lady in the Water, Posidon, Grindhouse Boom boom.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yes. And before that, he who's playing uh Al Davis
in the Madden movie Madden, Jim your favorite actor. I
always forget his name. He's screaming on the terminator, said
goddamn fucking cinematographer, motherfucker Cox. You know, come on terminating
(25:57):
on the terminator set. God is this close to them
to me being all right, So you're on the terminator
set like four and he's playing John come Christian. Oh yeah, yeah,
look at that. Right before that, he had done a
movie with Christian Bail too, right, so he didn't this Chris,
(26:18):
the Christian Bale movie had come out. He's got Bobby
coming out, He's got the Poseidon Offenser coming out.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Harsh times, harsh times.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Right, Uh and uh, I mean this guy was like
just set up and then every single one of those
movies fucking took a fucking dive, including Grindhouse didn't make
any money. Poseidon Offenser didn't make any money. If it did,
(26:49):
it didn't do what they were expecting it to do.
Bobby didn't do anything an lighty in the water, didn't
do anything, and here's a guy who had like a
career that you just thought like, oh my god. In
the last fail safe, fail safe, there you go fail
safe and just everything tanked, everything tanked, and uh and anyway,
(27:17):
I don't even I haven't really seen him since or
seen him in anything he does. He still looks.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
For a lot of years. He was on a TV
show called Bull. He was a main cast member that
he was from sixteen to twenty twenty one, So that's
what he was doing for a while.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Looks like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we were talking
earlier about movies that just they you know, they just
they stop in the middle and they and they are
there any other movies, Jim that you're aware of that
(27:50):
they shoot for twenty five or thirty days and then
just quit and go like, you know what, this isn't
working or you know there's a problem with.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
The Usually not, because by then you're so deep in
and you've got so much invested you. If the situation
becomes untenable and somebody has to go, you look for
a way to try to try to make up for it.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Usually the person who goes.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Is the director and Uh, you know, in a situation
like yours with Tombstone, you were four weeks in when
your director took off, and yet the movie. You know,
the pressures were there to try to hold that movie
together and did hold the game.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I had read that Louis c. K was doing a
movie and that uh, when he ran into his problem,
and that they shut that down for a moment and
replaced Louis c. K. Are you familiar with what that
(28:54):
movie is? No?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Now, I was just looking up movies that shut down
in the middle of production. I found another one from
two thousand and nine, a Robert Zemeckis movie with carry
Elwis in it that got shut down called Yellow Submarine. Really, yeah,
I'll look up the Kluisy k one.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
There's a there's a funny documentary called Lost in La
Mancha about it. Johnny Depp, Kerry Gilliam.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I've seen that. I've seen that. Yeah, that started.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
I don't think that one lasted a week, But I
mean that was just everything that could go wrong went
wrong with that movie, and they did have to pull
the plug on it. And I think some years later
Gilliam was able to pull together a production, maybe ten
years later Johnny Depp was no longer a part of it,
and he he kind of got the movie made, but
(29:43):
not the way he had intended to.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And you know, nobody, nobody saw it. Nobody saw it.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
But the documentary about the first movie Falling Apart is
hysterical to watch. Well, one of the It's Murphy's Wall
writ large everything that could go wrong when.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, I think it was Johnny Depp's co star in it.
It was I think a Spanish Spanish actor. Yeah, yeah,
they were shooting. They were shooting with him, well known
Spanish actor on a horse and they had him riding
around on this horse for a day or two and
(30:23):
he started complaining about a pain in his ass and
he had like a herniated disk prostate.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yeah, he had like he couldn't sit on a horse,
and this is Don Quixote, and he could They put
him on a horse in his face would be racked
with pain. It was aimfully obvious that this guy can't
can't perform this thing. They they started shooting. They had
a location, they built this village set, they started shooting,
and somebody didn't whoever picked that location didn't appreciate to
(30:56):
tall You picked a location, right, next to a NATO
bombing range, and while they were trying to shoot, they
had these jets screaming overhead dropping bombs off in the horizon.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
So that kind of screwed things up.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And that night they had a like once every century
storm rolled through and completely trashed the village set that
they had put together. And then just two days later,
when they were still trying to find stuff to shoot, they.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Were gym is anything like the once in the century
storm that's just hit Texas, Yeah, day or two ago
pretty much.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Well, yeah, absolutely just and totally demolished this village and
uh uh. And so they had to, you know, find
some other stuff to shoot while they were trying to
rebuild the village. And that's when they discovered that their
lead actor couldn't sit a horse. And at that point
they said, oh fuck this pull the plug insurance company.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Did you find?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
It's called I Love You Daddy? And they actually made
the whole movie. It was it was scheduled to be released,
and then when his scandal came out, they just pulled
it from the theater. So they just decided not to
wide release.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
They just didn't release it at all.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Right, Yeah, so then you get first they canceled the
premiere due to unexpected circumstances, and then in November twenty seventeen,
a week four set to be released theatrically, it was
pulled from the schedule, and then Luis K ended up
I think buying distribution rights back from the company that
I originally purchased it from the Toronto International Film Festival.
(32:24):
So it was made, It was made and was scheduled
to come out in I think a limited race and
they just been Then the production company or the distributor
just pulled it.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And then if you wanted to, what was the budget
on that movie? And like, I mean, like somebody's just
going to take another twenty million dollar hit because it
was made with Louis K or they replaced Louis c K.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
It was made. It was made with LUISYK starring it.
He also directed, wrote it starring.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh okay okay.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Doesn't have the budget on what was it called? I
Love You Daddy?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And can you get that on?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And it's got like I mean, the cast is obviously Louis,
Chloe Grace Moretz who's a big actress, Charlie Day, John Malkovich, Wow,
he Edie Falco like it's got it's got names in.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
It, ah and is it available?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Probably? Let me let me look up the budget. Let's see.
Reportedly the film had a budget of five million dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Okay, okay, that's a little bit smaller deal. I had
read when I was kind of like looking at movies
that had shut down, I had read that they replaced
Louis c K. But obviously not. What happened is they
just kept making it. Because of the troubles that he had,
(33:44):
somebody decided not to put it out wide in theaters.
It's that movie available on.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
I mean I tried to look it up on my
app and it didn't say he was streaming anywhere. You
might be able to like rent hit on Amazon or something,
but I don't know. I'm still looking at me production.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Problem Luis c K's site. He can, He'll run the studio.
Seems like that's what he does with comedy now. He
doesn't need HBO or anybody else.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
He just does everything himself.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
It just does everything himself. Yeah, Well that that reminds
me a little bit of uh the movie that guy
who directed Alien, Scott Ridley Scott directed a movie and uh,
(34:41):
all of a sudden they started having a problem again.
Like I'm getting tired now, I can't think of the names.
But uh uh. He ended up uh uh the guy
who had all the gay men who were like Evan Spacey.
(35:02):
What was the movie that he made? Jam? Was it
All the Money? All the Money It Takes or something
like that. Didn't they didn't they shoot?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, they shot that movie. Yes, and then he then
he had to go back to reshoot all.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Of and he only did it in the man. I mean,
this was just weeks before before I think it was
a movie about the Getty family.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
All the money, all the money in the world, and
and Spacey had he shot the movie with Spacey and
then all the Spacey crap happened and he basically had
to go reshoot Spacey stuff with Christopher.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Plumber and he did it just a couple of weeks
before the movie was due for release. It was amazing
that he was able to pull that off. Yeah, well
that's Redler Scott for you. Huh. Well, it didn't make
the movie any worth any more worth watching, but.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, yeah, that was that was pretty amazing. And then
there's that Batgirl movie that Warner Brothers made a couple
of years ago and just they were in production and
they just hold the plug on the whole thing, said
we're going to.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Do anything with it.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
And it was nearly done, a ninety million dollar movie.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Who it's is Disney Also, no, this is Warner Brothers.
Part of their their their Batman. They got ninety million
dollars in this movie, and they're three quarters of their
way through shooting it, and they shot it. They shot
it just yeah, and just said, fuck it. It's not
worth reshoots. It's not worse, it's not it's not worth releasing.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
It's not worth it doesn't fit into our current plans.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Who was the place? This was the Warner Brothers announcement.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
The decision to not release Batgirl reflects our leadership strategic
shift as it relates to the DC universe and HBO.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Max Okay, well, I don't know what that means. Leslie.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Leslie Grace is an incredibly talented actor and this decision
is not a reflection of her performance. We are incredibly
grateful to the filmmakers and cast a backgirl. We hope
to break with everyone in the near future.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
That sounds like drug Stan hopes. I'm truly sorry. I
promised never to Uh yeah, you know I offended anybody.
I've no man took a fence. Did anybody took a fence?
Then go fuck the Mattern't care.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
That didn't skin can't take a joke? Yeah, no, no,
it says. In August of twenty twenty two, Warner Brothers
Discovery announced that it no longer planned to release That
Girl on HBO, Max or theatrical.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
What what came out? Uh? Uh uh, Caitlin. This weekend
it did the uh dinosaur movie dress Park Jurassic Park. Okay,
so that's gonna be a huge movie. Jim, can you
look at the box office for the last month, because
(37:51):
seems like we were doing the podcast about a month
ago and I was going look at look at what's leading,
you know, the box office, and it was, you know,
movies that I was not aware of and didn't look
like they were all that. And then like three weeks
(38:14):
later it was still the same group. I mean, the
last month before Jurassic Park came out. That had to
have been a Here's here's what I'm trying to ask,
Jim is And I've been you know, I'd said for
a long time, movies are dying movies, you know, theaters.
It's just it just can't go on. It's just like
too easy to watch it on your phone and stuff.
(38:36):
Is the amount of and I know now it's a
worldwide and they're selling stuff in India and China and
things are different, but box office for the United States
of America is that down from how down? Do you know?
A good amount?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Although although I mean in terms of where it was
five or six years ago, it's down considerably where it
was before the pandemic. It's down considerably, okay, and probably
won't ever get back to, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
To that those levels.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
But this was a pretty good weekend. Jurassic Park opened
up close to one hundred and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Well, there's alwaystically there's these tent pole movies that do
do that kind of business. But I would like to
know how much money was made at the box office
in the month preceding or the six weeks preceding this
this uh sequel, because it just seemed to me there
(39:40):
was nothing in the theaters, just nothing in the theaters
to watch. And I that's kind of what I've you know,
thought for a long time.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
It's just like, uh, I mean, they had they had
Mission Impossible, so that helped.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Question.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But I'm seeing that in June, total box office gross
was a one hundred and thirty million according to box
office Mojo.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Lilo and Stitch did pretty well. And Stitch, what what
is that?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
That's like? It was an animated Disney movie that they
made into a live action one. Okay, and that did
very well.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Okay, all right, well I guess that.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Uh And there's a there's a new Karate Kid movie
out too.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Also the new Brad Pitt movie F one. I was
even think, Yeah, well that one.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I'll go to the theater to see that one. That
was released this weekend. Also, No, it's not for a
week or two.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
But it's doing it. It's doing it it extremely well.
It's doing extremely well, yeah, which is a bit of
a surprise because it was made I believe for Apple. Yeah,
and they generally, you know, haven't been that enthusiastic about
releasing their movie theatrically, but this might change their mind.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Okay, Well, I uh, I guess I'm just not familiar
with some of the movies that that have come out
and that have made a lot of money. I it
seems to me that we're just seeing less and less,
(41:24):
you know. And it kind of goes back to my
argument that you know about AI and how much AI
now is is infiltrating our universe, and the fact that
it seems to me that audiences, at least in America
(41:45):
are just like you can feed them anything you want
if it says Marvel on it or if it's a
children's movie, and you know, people run to see it.
So I've you know, I've heard filmmaking, and it's hard
for me when I'm talking to Alex about the fact
he wants to be an actor. I sat down with
(42:07):
Alex the other day and it's just my belief and
and and maybe I'm just wrong. Maybe I'm just wrong,
but I don't. I just don't. I just don't see
much future for the business of of of content the
way that we've been making it. And I think that, uh,
(42:33):
you know, AI is starting to surprise us, but I
think it's coming fast. And I think the idea that
I'm going to be able to protect my image, uh
is just fanciful. Is that the word fit? Fanciful? Fanciful, fanciful,
(42:56):
thank you, it's fanciful. Uh, you know, maybe I could
protect it from Disney for a couple of years, or
protect it from YouTube. I mean, uh yeah, some of
these uh Netflix or you know, or Apple TV or
some maybe I could maybe I could protect it. What
(43:18):
if some guy wants to go make a movie in
India with my likeness? What if somebody wants to go
make a movie, uh China, China, Scott have any copyright protection?
But yeah, yeah, and I just don't you know, I
you know, uh, I you know, I've had I go ahead.
(43:43):
It could be done already.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
It probably hasn't done, but you're not aware of well,
not to any great commercial degree.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I told you. Did I tell you about Seth Curry?
Or did I tell the podcast about Seth Curry?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I don't Yeah, no, I don't remember talking about that.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Okay, there all right? So Jim, I'm watching TV, not
watching TV. What am I talking about? I watch TV.
I'm looking at my phone. My phone is throwing stuff
at me that it knows that I like to watch.
And in between the eight and ten second clips of
(44:21):
half nude women dancing, you know, I'll get some sports stuff,
you know, And I got basically the basketball season just ended,
but about a month ago they were still in the playoffs.
And Seth Curry, I think he still plays for San
Francisco the Wars.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Steph Curry, Steph, Seth Curry is step brother.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah, yeah, who.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Stephan Curry is the Golden State Warriors star.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Okay, Stephan Yeah, yeah, the one who's been a star
for ten years. Yes.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
But it's confusing because his brother's name is Seth. So
that's why.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
And I was saying Steph. So I was like combining
the two brothers, and you know, okay, who am I
talking about about?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Stephan Curry?
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Stephan Okay, So I'm I'm my phone's throwing stuff up
at me, and here comes Stephan Curry. And it's obviously
one of those after the basketball game, you know, you
just need the stars of the team or anybody that
they ask, you know, need to sit down and answer
(45:33):
a few questions from the press. We've seen it hundreds
of times with hundreds of different basketball players. And so
I'm looking at Stephan Curry. So Stephan Curry is basically
talking and I'm watching it, and he's his team has
(45:58):
just been knocked out of the playoffs, and he starts
talking about the fact that he thinks he's going to
be retiring, which is like, well, that's that's big fucking
news that he's going to retire. That's you know, that's
that's huge. And then he proceeded to kind of ship
(46:21):
on a couple of his teammates and basically say, you know,
this guy didn't play up to his abilities. I don't
think he was trying that hard. I'm just sick of
all this bullshit. And that was and then that disappeared
off my phone and some dancing girls came home with me,
you know, my phone, and then something else came up,
and then, uh, and I just thought, in the back
(46:43):
of my mind, I was just thinking, uh, Stephan, Stephan,
Stephan Curry. That's that's that's just not in no, no,
nowhere in any of those NBA interviews. Dudes, anybody ever
am a teammate, They just don't do that. That's just
like unheard of. Yeah, but I still thought, like, that's
(47:06):
fucking weird. And then another basketball player came.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
They do this a lot with sports players. I don't
know what it is about, the postgame press conferences, but
that's like a ripe place for them to plug in
like an AI generated look alike and have them saying
ridiculous stuff like whatever it is about that setting the
postgame press conference. They do that with a lot of
players and coaches and stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Okay, well I it fooled me. Yeah, I mean I
after the second guy came up and he was saying
some silly shit and then he said, I gotta go.
I'm expected at at Ditty's something like that, and I
immediately went like, what second, what am I watching here?
(47:51):
And then I realized yeah, and then I realized that
what I had been watching was was AI. And I
didn't know the difference, and maybe maybe I wasn't looking
that hard. But that's now. So what are we talking
(48:16):
about two years from now? And what are we talking
about four years from now? And you know, there's just
no doubt in my mind that they're going to start
making movies that are completely AI. Absently, oh absolutely AI.
Like when Robert rober just made is I'll think of
(48:36):
the name of his movie in a second, which was
completely CG Sin City, Sin City, since City completely CGI.
Now we're gonna get like, we're gonna get movies that
are completely AI. And I I and I said this before,
I just feel if it's up to let's take America.
(48:57):
I forget about the rest of If it's up to
the tasts of what Americans want to watch, they're gonna
they'd I'm sure they'd rather go watch the AI stuff
than you know, something that.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Well, you know, Tyler Perry was building an eight hundred
million dollar studio expansion and he shut it down because
of A He saw what was coming when I'm not
putting eight hundred million into this, so he shut it
all down.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Well this is done in Atlanta probably, Yeah, yeah, he didn't.
He already put he already.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Was an expansion, eight dollar expansion shut down, and he.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Shut down because of AI. Yeah, well, I wonder how
much that has to do with the jobs And have
I mentioned on the on this Greg Nicotaro's noe and
his son the cinematographer, But I've just mentioned on the podcast. Yeah, yeah,
and so so I you know, it's uh, let me
(49:56):
see who was I talking to about this? Uh, somebody
fun I was talking to this about the other day
that it was just like, you know, we were like
I feel like I was right, like, boy, I was
born at the right time to be an actor, you know,
because I don't think acting is going to be the
(50:18):
same forget twenty or thirty years from now. But uh
and there's just going to be more and more stuff
for people to watch instead of acting. And I can
now I think that movies are going to go the
way of like like major League Baseball. Isn't major League
(50:41):
baseball sort of on a downslide?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
I think it's still I mean, it's not what.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
It was, but no, it's not as dominant as it
used to be, but it's you know, still reasonably healthy.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Well, anyway, we'll see, you know someday, uh Kaylin's daughter,
maybe my granddaughter might take I'm hoping that like that
instead of writing a book, at some point, somebody will
take the like four hundred hours of podcasting that I
(51:21):
do and turn it into an hour and a half.
This is who Michael be was.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
So well, you could probably get a to do that for.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
I know you could. Well, I've already uh uh in
just in the last two weeks. Uh, I was supposed
to get some award in Lake HAVISU and they wanted
to put my plaque up and at the high at
their high school in Arizona that I graduated from for
being you know, an exceptional person. After I graduated from
(51:54):
high school. Didn't have anything to do with lake Has
High School. I can guarantee you that, but but any anyway,
so and I said, okay, well just do it. I
just don't don't bother me anymore with it. And then
they want me to write an acceptance speech because I
wasn't going to show up to get it. And I said, Jennifer,
can you help me? Jim, you know I can't write,
(52:15):
so like, can you can you help me with this?
And so she just plugged it into AI and I
read it and I thought a little bit gener eric,
but yeah, why not send it over to me. I
don't care. I don't care at all. And then Alex,
my son Alex that was talking to you about has
got ah. He said, oh, I want to read my
(52:39):
new resume to you. And I wish I had it
here because before he said, you know, I worked as
a first responder in clubs, and you know I've worked
on as a first responder. I've been on some ambulances
like that, that kind of a vibe. And then he
(53:01):
gave it to AI and now his resume looks like
and sounds like, oh my god, I have to have
this guy working for me, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah,
I mean, it's absolutely, absolutely unbelievable. And one thing in history, Jim,
(53:26):
that I wanted to ask you about because I didn't
know it, but you know, just because Iran has been
in the news so much in the last couple of
weeks and with the war and everything, is that I
watched a documentary about the Shaw of Iran. Oh yeah,
and I was under the impression that when when the
(53:51):
Shaw left Iran, he just came to you know, that
he was our guy and that you know, and he
just came to the United States and then stayed in
the United States and everything was wonderful for him until
he died of cancer two years later. And as it
(54:15):
turned out, like that didn't happen at all. No, yeah,
explain what did happen?
Speaker 3 (54:24):
I kind of it's vague in my memory. But he
was more or less forced out of Iran.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yes, he had very bit. He was really ill.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
And he came to this country for cancer treatment and
that really pissed off the Iranians who had taken over.
But the I tools people, but we were giving safe
harbor to the to the Shaw, and that was one
of the reasons why they grabbed our people out of
the out of the uh.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
The embassy, you know.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
And and eventually we told the Shaw we didn't want you,
We didn't want him in this country. So they were
packing him off to the Caribbean. I think he wound
up in Panama. I think he wound up dying in Panama.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah. He was all over the place. Yeah, the Bahamas, yes, yes, yes,
and then back to one of the Middle Eastern countries. Yeah,
back to uh you know, he was in Texas, his
family was in Texas for a while. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I I uh, yeah, I didn't. But then it made
sense to me that that's, you know, the reason the
(55:26):
Americans and Jimmy Carter, poor Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
That was a bad stroke, bad stroke of luck for
that to happen in at that time. Yeah, for the
shot to fall apart, because for years we had regarded
him as a symbol of of strength in matt region.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Jim when they talk about nationalizing the oil over there,
what does that mean as compared to the way that
it was before.
Speaker 3 (55:55):
Well, what it meant was instead of the Western oil
companies like you know, Chevron on New Shell and all
those companies, pulling the oil out of the ground. The
Iranian government said, no, it belongs to us. From now on,
you buy it from us. Instead of you owning these
leases to our property, we own it.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
We're going to be selling the oil.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
It belongs to us, right, So they nationalized the oil industry,
and the oil companies didn't particularly care for that, and
so we helped stage a coup and I ran in
nineteen fifty four and overthrew their elected leader, guy named
Mossadag and installed the Shaw for the next twenty five years.
And for those twenty five years, he was a real
important ally for US because he was he was anti.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Put spy hardware and Iran and spy.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
On the Russians very effectively for years, on the Soviets
very effectively for years. And he was like a real
strong guy. He was an oppressive dictator, and he was
really strong and too all of a sudden he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, And that's what happened to dictators, Absolutely really really
strong until they're not, and and suddenly they're not. They're gone. Yeah,
they're weak, you know.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
And and it just so happened that we he came
to this country for medical you know, assistance for for treatment,
and that pissed off the Iranians who had taken over.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Well that that that that sequence of events that took
place when Carter was in office, and I mean really
sort of changed and then Shawl leaving that really kind
of changed history. When I had Tootala took over. I mean,
it was like that was all westernized over there, you know,
when we're running around with you know, shorts on and
(57:41):
stuff like that, and it really is kind of fascinating
to go back and and and and look at Iran
and uh uh know that of course it was America
and England's you know, trying to make money off of
them and stick and you you.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
And I can remember, you know, all the Iranians who
kind of fluttered into La in the late seventies and
early eighties, Yeah, trying to escape from uh yeah, from
the show from the I tol I told.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Her Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I actually played racquetball with
a couple of those guys. Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, I'm
basically kind of my age.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
And uh remember that remember that guy who had the
Iranian who bought that mansion on Sunset Boulevard and he
had all those statues on the fence that he put
care on them.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yes, yes, yes, wow, only in La, only in La.
All right, well, listen, I guess we've come to the
end of our time. Yeah, you have anything else important
to say, Jim or Kaitlyn? Do you have anything like
(58:53):
that you wanted to mention or say that I didn't cover. Listen.
I I wanted to be able to do one or
two podcasts where I wasn't talking about myself, and I
think I accomplished that. Why I wasn't talking about myself
(59:15):
the entire time, well there was.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
We were talking about unfinished movies, you know. And I
found this a source called Unproduced and Unfinished Films an
Ongoing film comment Projects. My god, this is a compendium
of all the projects of projects that were started and dropped.
This thing goes back to like the nineteen twenties. This
(59:41):
was really interesting to look at all these various movies.
I remember one of them I mentioned was called The
Confederacy of Dunces that.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
I was part of it.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
One time when it first got off the ground, and
for years people had been trying to make that. That's
one of the best funniest books I've ever read.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
A guy named John Kennedy toole.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
He was a young fellow who died when he wrote
the book, and then he committed suicide about two years
later because he couldn't get his writing career going. And
his mother persevered and got the manuscript into the hands
of a well known writer named Walker Percy. And Percy
loved the book and told his university, Louisiana State University,
that they ought to publish this book. It was the
(01:00:24):
first work of fiction that they ever that they ever published.
And I knew a guy who was Paul Mazerski's development fellow.
Miserski was a client of bars at Ice him. His
name was Scott Kramer, and Scott and I were having
lunch one day and Scott said, you know, I bought
a book on Flowers of the Southeast from my mother,
and the university that I bought it from sent me
(01:00:45):
a card saying we're going to publish our first work
of fiction.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Would you like copy? And I said sure.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
So I read it and I thought it was standulous,
and I called him up and I said, hey, I
worked for a movie producer movie director Paul Mazerski. Would
you guys consider giving me a free option on this
book said, Yeah, what's a free option. Well, it's an
option and it's free. And Scott's been involved with that
book for years. Various people over the years have tried
to make it. John Candy was attached at one time,
(01:01:12):
Chris Farley was attached at one time. John Belushi was
looking at that. Steve Solderberger has been trying to make
it for years. One of these days, maybe somebody will
make it.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
But that was one So is the the New Dinosaur
movie getting a lot of praise being it's got a
lot of box office Well, I know that. I'm just
wondering if it's I haven't read any reviews of it yet. Yeah,
it doesn't really make it dis' really make any difference
(01:01:44):
what the reviews say.
Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I'm curious how the Karate Kid reboots.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Currently wording at fifty two with the critics and seventy
two with the audience on Rotten Tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
That's not that great.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
I mean, yeah, I've given up on really paying attention
to the critics scores on rot Tomatoes. But the audience
scores usually you can usually gauge a movie.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
But that's pretty low. What is it six seventy which
is seventy two. It's not bad. Yeah, it's like you know, yeah, yeah,
who stars in that movie?
Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Scarlett Johansson And I think maherschel a Ali Oh really
well good for here?
Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Yeah? Uh all right, Well, like I said, I wanted
to be able to get through one of these podcasts
without talking about myself. And if we spend any longer,
I just have this need to just like make it
about me, so very proud of myself right now, it
(01:02:50):
might might be the time to sign off.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
When you feel that that that that bring yourself into
the conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Uh yeah, what was it? What's that saying? Enough about something?
What about enough about? Enough about me? Let's talk about you?
What do you think of me? There you go, or
we'll leave it with that one. All right, John, thank you,
I'll talk to you sir.
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
How much you'll let you look a strange begin show?
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Which hand would you choose to up a way?
Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
What should you wait around that? How would you look
upon someone than you under me? Why do you come
along without shoes
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